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Welcome to The Last American Bagabond. Joining me

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today is founder and editor of UnCaptured Media,

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Dan Cullen,

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and Kim Ives, the English language editor of

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Haiti Liberte, to discuss the history around Haiti,

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US intervention, Western intervention, and the overlapping discussion

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of what we've been seeing around this odd

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story of Haitian immigrants eating animals,

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something that actually overlaps with the story that

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Dan covered before this around Jimmy Barbecue

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and the kind of rising resistance in the

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country being framed as cannibals, and really kinda

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breaking this weird story down and highlighting on

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what the the background is and maybe why

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this story is there. So thank you, Dan

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and Kim, for joining

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background is and maybe why this story is

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there. So thank you, Dan and Kim, for

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joining today. How are you both? Great. Doing

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good. Thanks, thanks for having us. Thanks, Dan.

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My my pleasure. I I think this is

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an important story that, obviously, you've both been

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touching on long before this kind of weird

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anomaly of of

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eating animals and cannibalism and, you know, accusations

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of all sorts of different things. So I

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think it's important to kind of start

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where I mean, obviously, there's a long history

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as you've mentioned in the past going back

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to 1804 and before, but the starting in,

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you know, the the relevance of US or

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just Western intervention.

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So let's start there in general and really

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I'll I'll kind of throw my questions at

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whoever wants to to jump in. And so

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I'd like to start with whoever would like

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to start on the kind of the history

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of Western intervention in Haiti

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and and what point you feel is relevant

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to,

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you know, the current US mindset and really

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the stories we're talking about today?

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Dan, you want to Well, I'll just I'll

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just say really really quickly maybe before we

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dive into the into the

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history. I mean, it's a you know, we're

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like creeping. We have this ongoing intervention, military

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intervention, really an invasion because it's not invited

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by any

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legitimate

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government in Haiti. And and it's

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not really going as the empire would like.

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And I've been saying, like, for months, I've

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been saying to Kim correct me if I'm

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wrong, Kim. I don't know if you remember

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this, but Mhmm. It seems like something that's

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much more suited for a Trump administration

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because,

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it's harder for Democrats

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and Liberals to be, like, openly racist.

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You know, you have, like, the whole strategy,

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of the,

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they're, like, PR strategy is basically to to

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elevate,

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black people into,

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to be the faces of the empire. Karine

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Jean Pierre being the perfect example. White House

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press secretary who is of Haitian

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origin herself. And so, you know, you need

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with a country like Haiti,

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there's

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there the way you have to incite against

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it, in order to to prepare the public

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for

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further

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intervention invasion

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is much more suited for a Trump,

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Trump administration. And that's, like, I think what

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we're seeing going back to the cannibal,

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slur back in, what was that, march,

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where they were saying, you know, Haiti is

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a country of cannibals led by this guy,

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Jimmy Barbecue Charisseier, who's called a can who's

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called barbecue because he's a cannibal, and he's

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a leader of a cannibal gang, and now

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this this current thing about Haitians eating cats.

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history,

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of, you know, how kind of Haiti

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occupies

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the,

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imagination

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and and,

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and how it's been kind of portrayed,

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in American not only American, but, you know,

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I'm sure French media too,

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about a nation of savages,

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you know, to basically,

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cover up

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the the reality that it's actually a a

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nation of of former slaves who accomplished one

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of the greatest feats in in human history,

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which is to have a a revolution against

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the slavers,

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and then go on to defeat

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3 empires.

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So Right. I mean, in a in a

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in a nutshell, that's what I what you

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know, my sense of it, but go ahead,

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Kim. Right. And really, Haiti has been dealing

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with foreign intervention since its birth,

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220 years ago.

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it actually won its revolution because

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the

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British, French, and Spanish were fighting over it.

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It's a very strategic piece of land in

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the middle of the Caribbean,

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right on the windward passage. And they all

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wanted it. They all wanted its fertile

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ground, which was made it the richest

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colony in the Western Hemisphere. It was much

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richer than the 13 colonies

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of North America and,

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was really what made France.

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the slaves, first and last successful slave revolution

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history,

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throughout the French,

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it was basically besieged by all

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sorts of

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expeditions, nipping at its heels as you if

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you will.

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the French sent the whole

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fleet down to basically force them to sign

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what's called the independence debt. They had to

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pay a 150,000,000

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gold

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francs,

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which at that time

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was an astronomical

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sum.

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the country.

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you know, this

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picture you have to realize the momentous nature

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of the Haitian Revolution. In a way,

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momentous than the American or French or Russian

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or Chinese revolution. It's one of the great

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neglected

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revolutions because

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it it changed everything here. And often I

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say that Haiti is the polar

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opposite of the United States. The United States

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is the richest

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nation in the world, currently,

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which was founded by slave holders.

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England was starting to move away from it,

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but they said, no. No. We wanna keep

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these slaves. It helps us grow our cotton.

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founded

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the first,

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the second nation in the hemisphere, which was

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founded by self freed slaves, and they basically

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were the first ones to end slavery. Their

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revolution,

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trumpeted the

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beginning of the end of chattel slavery.

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ever since then for the US ruling class.

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every boat that came from Haiti

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to any port in the US

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was was basically quarantined.

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get out and spread among the slave masses

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that were Interesting.

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of pariah, and this goes all through the

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19th century. There were Germans,

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French, and English. There many, many episodes of

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sort of gunboat diplomacy and little skirmishes,

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but it didn't really

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sort of it wasn't really captured by US

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imperialism until 1915

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when and this was in the

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period when the US was doing this around

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the world.

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US marines landed.

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They took over the country. Basically, it became

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the government for 19 years, from 19 15

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to 1934,

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and then they put in place,

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the army of Haiti, what was called the

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god masonal d'etit, the guard of Haiti, which

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basically were their surrogate army.

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we can say,

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one when Jean Bertrand Aristide, a liberation

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theologian,

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anti imperialist priest, came to power. And, boy,

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once again, this was just as bad as

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the Asian revolution the first time. You know,

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the the US went, you know, berserk. And

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in fact, for right rightly so, because this

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was really the beginning of the pink tide.

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For the first time, the Haitian showed that

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you could win a US engineered election.

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And they did it, and that's when Hugo

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Chavez and Venezuela

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and Evo Morales in Bolivia

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and Lula in Brazil, etcetera, said, hey. Maybe

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we could do the same thing, and that

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started the whole,

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we could say, pink tide across Latin America.

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ever since then, the US in that 1991

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period, the US has been invading Haiti,

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and then passing it off to a proxy

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force.

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they pass it off to the UN after

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3 months. In the case of the 2004

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intervention, they pass it off to the UN

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after 3 months. But this time,

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in,

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they're giving it directly to the proxy. It's

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the Kenyans going in,

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and it's not working out too well. And

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they're going back their their mandate for this

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MSS as it's called, the multinational

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security support mission. Mhmm. It says go

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it expires on October

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security council hoping they can get a UN

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peacekeeping mission because,

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basically, they have no compulsory way to make

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anybody come and take part of it. They

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were expecting 25

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100 troops in Haiti. Right now, they have

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their barracks. So, you know, they can't pay

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them. They're out of money. They don't even

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have ammo ammunition

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because it's all going to Ukraine and to

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Gaza. And so it's, turning into a real

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so that's basically, in a nutshell, the history

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of foreign intervention in Haiti.

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It's just it's so it's so infuriating to

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see these people scream about democracy and and

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rights and rules based order while this has

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just been such an obvious track record. And

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I'm sure you both agree with that. Just

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felt like saying that. But, you know, what

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I I wanted to before we go any

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further in, you know, the the other stories

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we talk about, I wanted to go back

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and and thank you for in very detail.

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And I hope people will take the time

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to look at your work and the background

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and how obvious it is this has been

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going on. But, Dan, what you said there

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about the Trump administration

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being more conducive for this,

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When you say that, do you is it

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your if am I sensing that you feel

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that in some way that's more of a

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coordinated concept? Or can you flesh that out

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for me and why you think that's the

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idea?

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Well, definitely, there is, of course, the Uniparty.

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You know, permanent Washington, what, you know, maybe

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you call the deep state. The permanent war

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machine,

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that regardless of who occupies the White House,

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there is, an agenda at play. And,

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you know, we talk about what's called the

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Global Fragility Act that is a piece of

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legislation

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that is very much one of the cornerstones

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of,

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US foreign policy right now around the world,

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or at least it's that's the idea,

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of, you know, the state department, Pentagon planners.

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And,

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this the the Global Fragility Act, I the

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other day, I called it the,

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what did I call it? Like, the impute

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the Empire's fragility, the you know, the crumbling

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Empire Act

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Mhmm. Is basically that in the age of,

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you know, resurgent Russia and China and global

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competition

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from the big the big baddies, the US,

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and and the the bifurcation of the global

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economy with this cold war with China.

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The US wants to

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reassert

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its dominance

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in, neo colonies and small countries.

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And and, actually, the the the state department's,

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memos and public,

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writing on the Global Fragility Act says that

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this is actually the plan for the whole

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world. This isn't just for, you know, a

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few countries here or there. But but, basically,

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the idea is to sort of,

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you know, bring state department and Pentagon and

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USAID altogether to streamline them. And so, you

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know, instead of different hands operating independently and

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they don't know what they're doing, it's more

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effective,

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with an emphasis on the military aspect.

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And Haiti is the test case for this.

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So this was Haiti is the first case

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they wanna apply this to, and, then they

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wanna apply it to Libya. You know, another

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place the US has left a trail of

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destruction.

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And then several countries in West Africa, in

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French speaking West Africa, which, you know, if

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you consider what's happened over the past 2

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years, the series of revolutions,

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in some of those countries, well, you could

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see that they were correctly concerned,

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that there was lack of stability,

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under the regimes that the US and France,

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had installed and backed.

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And so and the, another country I I

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believe they're looking at was they were they

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have Papua, New Guinea and

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and Mozambique. That's right.

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So, basically,

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this strategy was was passed by Congress in

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2019

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when Trump was still president. Mhmm. And then

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it was continued when Biden came into the

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presidency.

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And so, you know, this is the stuff

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that probably Trump has never heard of the

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Global Fragility Act. Biden doesn't know what this

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is. It's just built in to the system.

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Right. And so when, you know, this planning

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for, like, you know, what we show, for

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example, in our documentary,

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Another Vision Inside Haiti's Uprising, is that,

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you know,

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this process plays out,

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across

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the

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the,

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you know, in a bipartisan way. And so,

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this process of leading towards, you know, building

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towards a US intervention or a US orchestrated

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intervention

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into Haiti.

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And, of course, a lot of it has

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to do with, you know, the the

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geopolitical,

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and domestic

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factors that

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can prevent them from deploying forces or proxy

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forces into Haiti,

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you know, namely China and Russia and their

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opposition at the Security Council, etcetera, etcetera,

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and,

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domestically, being able to sell

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basically a war to the American public. And

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so what I I the point that I

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was making is, you know, how much of

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it is intentional and planned out? I don't

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really know, but I think there's sort of

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an organic process that's not necessarily,

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like, conspiratorial.

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It's just like when you have,

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you know,

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Karine Jean Pierre and,

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Linda Thomas Greenfield at the UN. And because,

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basically, the US has this obvious strategy

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to put,

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black people as its spokesperson

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spokes

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people,

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then

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it's going to it's not as it's not

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so easy for them to use this obviously

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racist

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incitement and play into these tropes.

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You know, they need to talk about stability

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and, you know, helping Haitians and, you know,

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we wanna bring,

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prosperity and these kinds of things, and that's

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the the cover that they use. Whereas a

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Trump administration you know, I mean, we all

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know how Trump is. He's, you know, he

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plays, of course, to the right wing,

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which is less concerned with,

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appearing racist or,

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and, you know, I mean, we've seen with

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JD Vance and Trump and,

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you know, the Elon Musk and these the

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countless social media influencers,

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that have become prominent. They're more than happy

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to deploy

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these tropes about,

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Haitians eating cats and dogs and, you know,

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it's this is actually just part of

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the whole election. They they think this is

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gonna, help Trump win the election, which to

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me seems like pretty

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weak strategy that maybe if you're if you're

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a very online person,

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I guess, but, in terms of overall

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appealing to,

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you know, the kind of undecided voter that's

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not sure if Kamala

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or Trump is actually better and, you know,

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as terrible as Kamala is,

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Trump didn't look particularly strong at that last

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debate. So I don't think that's gonna grow

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his base. It's just red meat for, for

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his base is what I think. And so

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the immigration issue that is kind of underlying

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this is very real, and there are real

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questions about that. But,

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the strategy that the that the Trump

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team and, you know, Elon Musk and,

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has taken,

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I think is is misguided,

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but is in terms of winning an election,

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but it is,

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very useful for for ginning up

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antipathy towards Haiti and Haitians,

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to

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get support for,

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some kind of expanded US military

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presence or proxy force into Haiti.

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Right. And that goes to your uni party

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point that this is, you know, really how

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we have to view this. It goes back

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and forth, teeter totter or, you know, whatever,

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kind of like, you know, distilling it down

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into one ultimate point. And so we will

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come back to the animals and and in

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general and and the overlapping points within that.

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But I wanna ask you about the the

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Global Fragility Act. So what you're essentially saying

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is that this would be,

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the the typical US foreign policy act. We're

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under the guise of saying we're trying to

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help people who are in a destabilized position

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in again,

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pointing out that they're the ones that put

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them or drove them to that position, but

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ultimately wouldn't do that at all. I mean,

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this is sort of like another form of

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occupation. Is that what you're saying? Like, using

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this act to facilitate control over these countries

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under the guise of helping them?

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Yeah. Exactly. I mean,

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yeah, the whole thing is just basically how

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are we going to,

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in this new era of

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moving on from the war on terror. Now

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we're into global competition with major powers,

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who are who have an alternative paradigm,

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whether that's,

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Russia's, you know, military footprint

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around the world,

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which is obviously a challenge to the, you

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know, US

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so called rules based order or China's, belt

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and road initiative, which, you know, is,

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offers a mutually

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beneficial,

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paradigm,

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which is completely the opposite of the US'

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like zero sum game.

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You know, that we're gonna basically control your

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country and own it. And if you don't

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like that, we'll just burn it down.

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So in that

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facing that

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paradigm where more and more countries or or

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political and social movements are thinking, hey. Maybe

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there's an alternative to, you know, good old

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imperialism.

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The US is is, I think, becoming desperate

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in a way where it, you know, is

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is gonna look for ways to to impose,

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its its control. I mean, the fact that

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it calls the globe fragile, you know, global

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fragility, to me, you know, fragility just says

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weakness. It's projecting weakness.

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So,

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yeah. I mean I think it's it's just

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you know we're gonna we're gonna help you

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which is you know

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kind of a scary term these days. Especially

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coming from the United States government with their

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track record. Right? Exactly. Well, I think that's

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important to highlight you know, with with with

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what Kim was highlighting in in the build

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up and the idea that this is just

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you know, I'm seeing this a lot, by

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the way. And if we if there's an

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opening to get into this more, we can,

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like, with that what I see with, like,

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pro Honduras and this weird feel backed, Prospera,

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fake, libertarian utopia, or, you know, any number

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of things I keep seeing where there's, like,

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this new form of governance almost poking its

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head out in these different like you said,

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this is sort of a trial in regard

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to see how this will apply. So I

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I wanna bring this back to, to one

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of the points around this where I feel

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like, at least in my opinion, I I

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saw a shift in the way that this

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was the the the foreign policy Kim was

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highlighting was being conducted and I think that

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might relate to this new direction. So, Kim,

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if you could touch more on the point

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in which, like, the the the earthquake forward

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Clinton Foundation,

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you know, the way that they abused, like,

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the aid state of all this, which really

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did set up a whole new kind of

546
00:20:54,369 --> 00:20:56,529
form of manipulation, which was already being used.

547
00:20:56,529 --> 00:20:58,450
But it exploded, I think, after that in

548
00:20:58,450 --> 00:21:00,690
a large way using, you know, the as

549
00:21:00,690 --> 00:21:02,769
James Corbett would call it the Trojan horse

550
00:21:02,769 --> 00:21:05,330
of regime change, like USAID and or and

551
00:21:05,330 --> 00:21:07,255
National Down For Democracy. So can you touch

552
00:21:07,255 --> 00:21:08,694
on that time frame for me and your

553
00:21:08,694 --> 00:21:10,214
thoughts on whether that was sort of a

554
00:21:10,214 --> 00:21:11,894
a new direction or, you know, your thoughts

555
00:21:11,894 --> 00:21:13,654
on that? Real real quick. Let me let

556
00:21:13,654 --> 00:21:15,095
me interrupt you, Kim, before you start because

557
00:21:15,095 --> 00:21:16,554
maybe you wanna add this in.

558
00:21:17,494 --> 00:21:19,575
Maybe you wanna, you know, talk about what

559
00:21:19,575 --> 00:21:21,914
you showed in your award winning film,

560
00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:25,779
Bitter Cane, how, you know, basically, the US

561
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,640
what what that was about, what that era

562
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,400
was about. Because, I mean, this obviously didn't

563
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,640
start with 2010 and the earthquake. I mean,

564
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,640
this this goes back to the shaping and

565
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:35,380
the, basically,

566
00:21:35,825 --> 00:21:38,224
creation of the of the Haitian economy and

567
00:21:38,224 --> 00:21:39,924
the and the picture of of neoliberal,

568
00:21:40,785 --> 00:21:42,884
economics. But sorry to interrupt.

569
00:21:43,265 --> 00:21:45,744
Yeah. Well, just to kind of go back

570
00:21:45,744 --> 00:21:47,845
to the Trump and

571
00:21:48,144 --> 00:21:48,644
versus

572
00:21:50,369 --> 00:21:50,869
Harris

573
00:21:51,650 --> 00:21:53,430
situation we're facing now.

574
00:21:53,809 --> 00:21:55,670
To me, there are 2 different sectors.

575
00:21:56,049 --> 00:21:58,869
The Democrats are essentially the globalist

576
00:21:59,170 --> 00:22:01,970
sector. They're looking at the planet. They're picking

577
00:22:01,970 --> 00:22:02,470
planetary

578
00:22:03,304 --> 00:22:03,804
strategies.

579
00:22:04,184 --> 00:22:06,825
Whereas Trump is more of a nationalist, you

580
00:22:06,825 --> 00:22:08,984
know, he's just and so I don't think

581
00:22:08,984 --> 00:22:10,845
he would have gone in for an MSS.

582
00:22:11,144 --> 00:22:13,384
You know, it's this is too much, you

583
00:22:13,384 --> 00:22:15,144
know, he's like direct. He would have said,

584
00:22:15,144 --> 00:22:17,769
send in the 82nd airborne, you know, nuke

585
00:22:17,769 --> 00:22:19,210
the place. You know, whatever you have to

586
00:22:19,210 --> 00:22:21,710
do. So that would have been his approach.

587
00:22:22,089 --> 00:22:22,589
But

588
00:22:22,970 --> 00:22:26,089
the globalists are trying to you know, they're

589
00:22:26,089 --> 00:22:27,930
looking at all the chess pieces on the

590
00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:30,585
board. So they're trying to get Haiti and

591
00:22:30,585 --> 00:22:32,125
Kenya and Mozambique,

592
00:22:32,585 --> 00:22:33,085
Benin,

593
00:22:34,184 --> 00:22:37,305
you know, Guyana, all these different they're they're

594
00:22:37,305 --> 00:22:39,704
nudging them, moving them around. That's what Blinken's

595
00:22:39,704 --> 00:22:41,164
running around like a fireman

596
00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:43,960
trying to put out fires and move people

597
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,820
here and there, not very successfully.

598
00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:48,519
And they've been hoisted by their own petard

599
00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:49,019
because,

600
00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:51,960
you know, the crisis is going faster than

601
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:52,619
they can

602
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,019
get firemen out there. So,

603
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,180
it's like in the case of Haiti,

604
00:22:57,934 --> 00:23:00,835
they wanna send Kenyans to stabilize Haiti,

605
00:23:01,295 --> 00:23:03,154
and Kenya starts to destabilize.

606
00:23:03,615 --> 00:23:05,634
And, you know, the the same

607
00:23:06,015 --> 00:23:08,434
problems that are happening in Haiti,

608
00:23:09,375 --> 00:23:11,954
are beginning to erupt in Kenya.

609
00:23:13,210 --> 00:23:14,970
So the the the the empire is sort

610
00:23:14,970 --> 00:23:17,369
of at a loss how to go forward.

611
00:23:17,369 --> 00:23:18,990
And Trump's approach,

612
00:23:19,849 --> 00:23:22,650
is to me to go very straight at

613
00:23:22,650 --> 00:23:23,150
it,

614
00:23:24,009 --> 00:23:25,069
in terms of

615
00:23:25,605 --> 00:23:28,164
almost like, I don't know, Teddy Roosevelt. Send

616
00:23:28,164 --> 00:23:29,924
in the marines, you know, do whatever we

617
00:23:29,924 --> 00:23:32,105
have to do. He's not worried about

618
00:23:32,484 --> 00:23:33,144
the hypocritical,

619
00:23:35,684 --> 00:23:38,484
problem that the democrats are trying to avoid.

620
00:23:38,484 --> 00:23:41,049
And the reason they're using Kenyans and sending

621
00:23:41,049 --> 00:23:42,269
Kenyans in there

622
00:23:42,809 --> 00:23:45,049
is because they don't want it to look

623
00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:45,789
like 1915.

624
00:23:46,170 --> 00:23:48,570
In 1915, the US Marines landed,

625
00:23:49,450 --> 00:23:51,690
about 6 months before they landed. They went

626
00:23:51,690 --> 00:23:54,285
in and they took all Haiti's gold, $500,000

627
00:23:54,904 --> 00:23:57,404
worth of gold bars out of the bank,

628
00:23:57,464 --> 00:23:59,224
and they took them to First National City

629
00:23:59,224 --> 00:24:01,545
Bank in New York, where they still are,

630
00:24:01,545 --> 00:24:03,164
as a matter of fact. And,

631
00:24:04,105 --> 00:24:04,605
the

632
00:24:05,384 --> 00:24:06,539
marines came in,

633
00:24:06,940 --> 00:24:09,440
in on July 28, 1915,

634
00:24:09,980 --> 00:24:12,140
and they just took over the place. And

635
00:24:12,140 --> 00:24:14,220
they said, okay. Well, we gotta get a

636
00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:16,059
president to invite us. And so then they

637
00:24:16,059 --> 00:24:17,119
put in a guy,

638
00:24:18,634 --> 00:24:20,575
Tiganov, and he invited them.

639
00:24:20,955 --> 00:24:22,795
They don't wanna do that again. It's too

640
00:24:22,795 --> 00:24:24,894
ugly. They don't wanna send in US Marines

641
00:24:24,955 --> 00:24:25,934
and then have

642
00:24:26,235 --> 00:24:28,555
the president who's put in place invite in

643
00:24:28,555 --> 00:24:31,515
the Global Fragility Act. They're trying the democrats

644
00:24:31,515 --> 00:24:33,855
again, the globalists are trying to have

645
00:24:34,610 --> 00:24:37,250
proxies do it. They're gonna put in the

646
00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:37,750
government.

647
00:24:38,130 --> 00:24:40,049
That government will then invite the US, and

648
00:24:40,049 --> 00:24:42,130
the US oh, well, okay. Sure. We'll do

649
00:24:42,130 --> 00:24:45,170
it. We'll sign the bilateral deal. So so

650
00:24:45,170 --> 00:24:47,174
this is the whole dynamic. In a way,

651
00:24:47,335 --> 00:24:49,575
Clinton, just going to your question about Clinton

652
00:24:49,575 --> 00:24:50,394
and the earthquake,

653
00:24:51,494 --> 00:24:54,215
was kind of almost a test run, address

654
00:24:54,215 --> 00:24:56,955
rehearsal Right. Because here was the earthquake,

655
00:24:57,335 --> 00:24:59,595
which was perfect timing for the empire.

656
00:25:00,539 --> 00:25:02,620
Some people say they they made the earthquake

657
00:25:02,620 --> 00:25:04,779
happen. I would buy that. But, you know,

658
00:25:04,779 --> 00:25:05,100
the,

659
00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:08,380
the the timing was perfect because, basically, there've

660
00:25:08,380 --> 00:25:11,039
been 20 years of Aristide and his

661
00:25:11,340 --> 00:25:13,759
sort of clone, a guy called Rene Preval,

662
00:25:13,984 --> 00:25:16,164
who'd been running Haiti since 91

663
00:25:16,945 --> 00:25:17,525
to 2011.

664
00:25:18,144 --> 00:25:18,965
It was basically

665
00:25:19,424 --> 00:25:20,244
an alternance

666
00:25:20,705 --> 00:25:23,285
of Preval and Aristide, Aristide Preval.

667
00:25:23,904 --> 00:25:26,404
And, of course, with the coup periods

668
00:25:26,785 --> 00:25:27,285
interspersed

669
00:25:27,664 --> 00:25:29,845
because there were 2 coups during that period.

670
00:25:29,929 --> 00:25:31,018
So now they said, oh, this is perfect.

671
00:25:31,018 --> 00:25:31,549
So in came

672
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:32,490
Bill

673
00:25:32,929 --> 00:25:33,429
Clinton.

674
00:25:33,869 --> 00:25:34,429
He took over the country. He was basically

675
00:25:34,429 --> 00:25:35,059
ruled the country for 18 months. And they

676
00:25:35,059 --> 00:25:35,710
installed Michel Martelly,

677
00:25:43,224 --> 00:25:45,544
you know. And they thought, okay, you know,

678
00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:47,304
this is working out great. We're gonna get

679
00:25:47,304 --> 00:25:49,625
our people in and, you know, we'll set

680
00:25:49,625 --> 00:25:51,404
up the things the way we want it.

681
00:25:51,625 --> 00:25:54,504
But it kind of, once again, went off

682
00:25:54,504 --> 00:25:56,524
the rails because this this

683
00:25:56,869 --> 00:25:57,930
very complex

684
00:25:58,470 --> 00:26:01,210
machinery that the globalists are using,

685
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:05,269
can can you know, the more complex it

686
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:07,289
is, the more possibility for problems.

687
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:09,850
So in came Jovnel Moise.

688
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:12,330
He

689
00:26:14,414 --> 00:26:17,454
was sort of bollocks up, I could say,

690
00:26:17,454 --> 00:26:17,954
by

691
00:26:19,295 --> 00:26:22,115
Donald Trump because what Trump did was he

692
00:26:22,575 --> 00:26:24,434
strengthened the sanctions against

693
00:26:24,734 --> 00:26:25,234
Venezuela.

694
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,840
The money that was basically keeping Haiti afloat

695
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,220
was a thing called the Petrocaribe

696
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,840
Fund, where, basically, Hugo Chavez said, we don't

697
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,880
want you to have to go to the

698
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,119
IMF. We'll give you money, and then you

699
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,154
invest it. So Hugo Chavez,

700
00:26:40,174 --> 00:26:41,234
started Petrocaribe.

701
00:26:41,575 --> 00:26:42,075
It's

702
00:26:42,494 --> 00:26:44,514
2006 was the start, but it really

703
00:26:45,134 --> 00:26:47,714
engaged in 2008 until 2018,

704
00:26:48,894 --> 00:26:52,194
and that was because Trump basically shut down,

705
00:26:53,090 --> 00:26:56,369
through the through the banks, the ability to

706
00:26:56,369 --> 00:26:58,930
transfer money between Haiti and Venezuela. So the

707
00:26:58,930 --> 00:26:59,590
whole thing,

708
00:27:00,130 --> 00:27:03,190
came to a crashing halt, and now Jovnel

709
00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:05,825
Moiz was in was in trouble,

710
00:27:06,845 --> 00:27:08,704
and he he had to

711
00:27:10,204 --> 00:27:12,224
find a way out of it. Trump,

712
00:27:12,765 --> 00:27:14,224
wasn't really helping him.

713
00:27:14,525 --> 00:27:15,025
And,

714
00:27:15,724 --> 00:27:17,644
in the end, he ended up veering back

715
00:27:17,644 --> 00:27:19,424
towards Venezuela and Russia,

716
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,740
and that's when they sent him a team.

717
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,140
As far as we're concerned, all the circumstances

718
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:28,180
seem to point to that that, you know,

719
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,000
the US gave a wink and a nod

720
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,019
at the very least, if not some,

721
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:32,900
logistical

722
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,714
support to this operation to assassinate him. So,

723
00:27:37,335 --> 00:27:37,835
basically,

724
00:27:40,134 --> 00:27:40,875
the globalists

725
00:27:41,734 --> 00:27:44,775
are trying to build this complex tapestry, the

726
00:27:44,775 --> 00:27:47,390
Global Fragility Act. I mean, Trump signed off

727
00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:49,710
on it, but it wasn't his architects who

728
00:27:49,710 --> 00:27:52,029
who who did it. It was it was,

729
00:27:52,349 --> 00:27:53,329
the the globalists

730
00:27:53,710 --> 00:27:55,710
behind the scene who run the deep state.

731
00:27:55,710 --> 00:27:57,569
That's the Uniparty for you right there.

732
00:27:58,109 --> 00:27:58,609
Exactly.

733
00:27:59,735 --> 00:28:01,095
Well, I'm sorry. I mean, if if you're

734
00:28:01,095 --> 00:28:02,134
done I didn't mean to cut you off

735
00:28:02,134 --> 00:28:04,295
there. Yeah. No. That's about it. No. I

736
00:28:04,295 --> 00:28:06,455
mean, I'm not sure where we can go

737
00:28:06,455 --> 00:28:08,295
in a lot of directions here and look

738
00:28:08,295 --> 00:28:11,674
at the the complexity. But the essence is

739
00:28:11,735 --> 00:28:13,575
there's a struggle in the ruling class. How

740
00:28:13,575 --> 00:28:14,394
are we gonna

741
00:28:14,730 --> 00:28:16,970
preserve the US, you know, which is in

742
00:28:16,970 --> 00:28:19,289
a free fall right now as we all

743
00:28:19,289 --> 00:28:21,710
can see, as the world can see.

744
00:28:22,009 --> 00:28:22,410
And,

745
00:28:23,769 --> 00:28:25,869
you know, are we gonna end up going,

746
00:28:26,410 --> 00:28:28,329
the Trump route or we end up gonna

747
00:28:28,329 --> 00:28:29,150
go the

748
00:28:29,565 --> 00:28:31,264
blink and Sullivan Nuland route?

749
00:28:32,044 --> 00:28:33,484
You know, I would argue I mean, and

750
00:28:33,484 --> 00:28:35,404
I definitely see the difference, but I I

751
00:28:35,484 --> 00:28:36,304
what I argue

752
00:28:36,845 --> 00:28:38,845
is that I see that being the way

753
00:28:38,845 --> 00:28:40,365
that the 2 party illusion is, I would

754
00:28:40,365 --> 00:28:41,804
call it, always sort of works, which is

755
00:28:41,804 --> 00:28:43,644
they they're very different in their directions, but

756
00:28:43,644 --> 00:28:46,079
they're designed to kind of just drive you

757
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:48,000
down to one specific point that they, as

758
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,000
the government, ultimately wants you in, which is

759
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,759
simply my opinion. But you're right to point

760
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:53,519
out the very very clear differences, but, yeah,

761
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:55,619
I always see how those two different things

762
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,000
drive us in one clear direction. Like, I

763
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,440
always see it as the sim this one

764
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,259
linear line

765
00:29:00,965 --> 00:29:02,845
between the administrations where we just kinda continue

766
00:29:02,845 --> 00:29:04,805
to see these same things happening. You know?

767
00:29:04,805 --> 00:29:06,965
I I wanted to ask about specifically well,

768
00:29:06,965 --> 00:29:08,404
actually, since you brought it up, one quick

769
00:29:08,404 --> 00:29:09,545
point about the oil.

770
00:29:10,724 --> 00:29:12,085
Go ahead and say that the name what

771
00:29:12,085 --> 00:29:13,465
was it again? The name PetroCaribe.

772
00:29:14,170 --> 00:29:14,670
PetroCaribe.

773
00:29:15,130 --> 00:29:16,650
I've made points about this many times over

774
00:29:16,650 --> 00:29:17,849
the years, and I think it's important if

775
00:29:17,849 --> 00:29:19,690
you could flesh that out just briefly how

776
00:29:19,690 --> 00:29:21,450
important that was and what it how it

777
00:29:21,450 --> 00:29:21,950
shows

778
00:29:22,410 --> 00:29:24,490
that the idea being that it's somehow, you

779
00:29:24,490 --> 00:29:25,130
know, of the

780
00:29:25,690 --> 00:29:27,529
what they call Iran or anybody else, leader

781
00:29:27,529 --> 00:29:30,924
in state sponsored terrorism or narco traffickers. Well,

782
00:29:30,924 --> 00:29:32,285
these claims they throw on it when they

783
00:29:32,285 --> 00:29:34,765
ignore all their chief allies doing far more

784
00:29:34,765 --> 00:29:36,125
of it, but that this was something that

785
00:29:36,125 --> 00:29:38,525
was being done that was very explicitly helping

786
00:29:38,525 --> 00:29:40,605
the other countries that were also being suppressed

787
00:29:40,605 --> 00:29:43,640
and attacked by western foreign policy. And by

788
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,400
taking that away is one of the clear

789
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,000
reasons as well as stealing all of their

790
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,759
gold and it's clear that could help these

791
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:50,039
people as well, but it put them in

792
00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:51,480
that position, which is a point we already

793
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,259
made. It's the creation of the destabilize

794
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:54,059
destabilization

795
00:29:54,519 --> 00:29:57,015
then used to justify why the fragility act

796
00:29:57,015 --> 00:29:58,695
is even needed. So could you flush that

797
00:29:58,695 --> 00:30:00,215
point out briefly for me on the oil

798
00:30:00,215 --> 00:30:00,955
the oil,

799
00:30:01,335 --> 00:30:02,075
oil rebate?

800
00:30:02,775 --> 00:30:05,015
If I can just start, Dan. Yeah. The

801
00:30:05,015 --> 00:30:06,394
the essence is from,

802
00:30:07,174 --> 00:30:09,174
since I was a kid when, you know,

803
00:30:09,174 --> 00:30:11,599
all during from the sixties, from 1959

804
00:30:12,140 --> 00:30:12,640
until

805
00:30:12,940 --> 00:30:13,440
2000,

806
00:30:14,059 --> 00:30:16,720
the big bugaboo in Latin America was Cuba.

807
00:30:16,779 --> 00:30:18,559
They were the target of everything.

808
00:30:19,180 --> 00:30:21,920
But when Hugo Chavez took over and basically

809
00:30:21,980 --> 00:30:23,599
hitched his wagon to Cuba,

810
00:30:23,980 --> 00:30:26,515
and Cuba in some way became,

811
00:30:27,694 --> 00:30:30,275
I could say, their their eminence, Greece,

812
00:30:31,694 --> 00:30:33,634
the US saw Venezuela

813
00:30:34,015 --> 00:30:37,154
as the real danger because of that petro

814
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,500
gravitas that they have.

815
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:40,440
And,

816
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,820
Hugo Chavez

817
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,340
very sagely,

818
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,620
put it to good use by, you know,

819
00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:49,580
delivering to all his neighbors,

820
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,284
this this deal. Haiti got the sweetest and

821
00:30:53,284 --> 00:30:55,365
he always said it was because Haiti basically

822
00:30:55,365 --> 00:30:58,404
helped liberate Venezuela. It was Haiti that gave

823
00:30:58,404 --> 00:31:01,605
Bolivar the the guns, the boats, the printing

824
00:31:01,605 --> 00:31:03,625
presses, the soldiers to go liberate

825
00:31:04,049 --> 00:31:06,210
the, continent. And you can see that in

826
00:31:06,210 --> 00:31:07,509
all the flags of

827
00:31:07,809 --> 00:31:10,370
Northern South America. They have the Haitian flag

828
00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:11,029
in them.

829
00:31:11,410 --> 00:31:11,910
So

830
00:31:12,289 --> 00:31:14,610
he, gave them the sweet deal of not

831
00:31:14,610 --> 00:31:16,470
only the cheap gas, but

832
00:31:17,164 --> 00:31:19,404
loan account where they were able to keep

833
00:31:19,404 --> 00:31:22,285
40% of the sales of the gas and

834
00:31:22,285 --> 00:31:24,125
invest it. So they didn't have to go

835
00:31:24,125 --> 00:31:25,804
to the IMF and World Bank and Inter

836
00:31:25,804 --> 00:31:27,424
American Development Bank, etcetera.

837
00:31:27,964 --> 00:31:28,464
So

838
00:31:28,829 --> 00:31:29,941
all of that to say that, the US

839
00:31:29,941 --> 00:31:30,990
really was focusing on Venezuela as the principal

840
00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:32,529
problem they face. And

841
00:31:32,829 --> 00:31:34,289
that's to this day.

842
00:31:34,829 --> 00:31:35,730
We can

843
00:31:36,109 --> 00:31:38,750
see they're fighting tooth and nail, even though

844
00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:40,289
it's failed. It appears now

845
00:31:44,404 --> 00:31:45,784
to, you know, demonize,

846
00:31:46,085 --> 00:31:48,964
Maduro and get him out because this south

847
00:31:48,964 --> 00:31:49,865
south solidarity

848
00:31:50,565 --> 00:31:51,464
is is,

849
00:31:51,765 --> 00:31:53,704
you know, the the the closest

850
00:31:54,244 --> 00:31:56,804
example of the new multipolar world threatening the

851
00:31:56,804 --> 00:31:59,180
empire. Right. I mean, god forbid, they should

852
00:31:59,180 --> 00:32:00,859
be helping each other or allowing people to

853
00:32:00,859 --> 00:32:03,019
not rely on these, you know, whatever you

854
00:32:03,019 --> 00:32:05,100
wanna call the western control structure. You know,

855
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:06,513
it's just so frustrating. But so that's why

856
00:32:06,619 --> 00:32:09,019
empire. Yeah. Right. Yes. Right. That's that's why

857
00:32:09,019 --> 00:32:11,100
that's so important to highlight because this is

858
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:11,820
the creation of

859
00:32:12,544 --> 00:32:14,005
you know, there these are destabilizing

860
00:32:14,384 --> 00:32:16,464
tactics and has no interest in the peoples

861
00:32:16,464 --> 00:32:17,765
of these countries whatsoever,

862
00:32:18,144 --> 00:32:20,065
which, you know, the history shows. But the

863
00:32:20,065 --> 00:32:21,744
claims of everything, it really shows you that

864
00:32:21,744 --> 00:32:23,664
this is about, you know, at the expense

865
00:32:23,664 --> 00:32:24,944
of the people they claim they're trying to

866
00:32:24,944 --> 00:32:27,009
help and for their own explicit interest. So

867
00:32:27,009 --> 00:32:28,929
let's bring this into the point about the

868
00:32:28,929 --> 00:32:31,990
immigration aspect, which clearly this opens the conversation

869
00:32:32,049 --> 00:32:34,049
for, you know I mean, this is a

870
00:32:34,049 --> 00:32:35,569
huge I mean, it's always been a very

871
00:32:35,569 --> 00:32:36,929
clear wedge issue in this country, in the

872
00:32:36,929 --> 00:32:39,089
United States, but it's obviously kind of spun

873
00:32:39,089 --> 00:32:40,825
out of control more than ever. And we

874
00:32:40,825 --> 00:32:42,845
did we did see the whole Venezuelan caravan

875
00:32:42,904 --> 00:32:44,904
conversation, which just seemed to vanish after the

876
00:32:44,904 --> 00:32:46,424
election, which I wonder if we're gonna see

877
00:32:46,424 --> 00:32:48,265
a similar thing this time. But I wanna

878
00:32:48,265 --> 00:32:50,424
talk about the idea of what I kind

879
00:32:50,424 --> 00:32:52,424
of call the the US foreign policy to

880
00:32:52,424 --> 00:32:54,750
immigration pipeline. And, you you know, in previous

881
00:32:54,750 --> 00:32:56,990
interviews, Dan, you've mentioned the idea of not

882
00:32:56,990 --> 00:32:58,130
just Haiti, but Venezuela.

883
00:32:58,430 --> 00:33:00,029
And I I I I point to Honduras

884
00:33:00,029 --> 00:33:02,369
2009 coup in the same concept. The idea

885
00:33:02,590 --> 00:33:03,170
is creating

886
00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:04,289
these immigration,

887
00:33:04,750 --> 00:33:06,910
you know, the this influx of immigration because

888
00:33:06,910 --> 00:33:09,494
of their foreign policy and then either pointing

889
00:33:09,494 --> 00:33:11,434
to that as a reason the country is

890
00:33:11,654 --> 00:33:13,994
is is in chaos or using that immigration,

891
00:33:14,055 --> 00:33:15,894
that influx in United States or others in

892
00:33:15,894 --> 00:33:18,855
Europe as a as a political tool. Right?

893
00:33:18,855 --> 00:33:20,134
So if you could touch on that and

894
00:33:20,134 --> 00:33:22,535
just the general idea of weaponized migration and

895
00:33:22,535 --> 00:33:24,055
whether or not you think that is a

896
00:33:24,055 --> 00:33:25,470
part of what this is. And I don't

897
00:33:25,470 --> 00:33:27,470
mean just the clear example you've already made

898
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:28,849
about the destabilization

899
00:33:29,309 --> 00:33:31,230
happening and, quote, over the byproduct, but whether

900
00:33:31,230 --> 00:33:33,710
it's being used for that purpose, like, by

901
00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:34,210
design.

902
00:33:35,230 --> 00:33:37,009
Yeah. I mean, I think

903
00:33:37,309 --> 00:33:37,809
immigration

904
00:33:40,235 --> 00:33:40,735
is

905
00:33:41,755 --> 00:33:42,255
basically

906
00:33:43,995 --> 00:33:46,654
it's it's it is certainly intentional to destabilize

907
00:33:46,795 --> 00:33:48,154
countries, have their,

908
00:33:48,634 --> 00:33:49,134
populations,

909
00:33:50,154 --> 00:33:52,174
you know, or significant portion of the populations

910
00:33:52,394 --> 00:33:54,975
leave the country, come to the United States

911
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,559
in order to, perhaps, I think for the

912
00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:00,519
vast majority of people, basically, to just, find

913
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:01,500
some kind of stability,

914
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,099
some kind of income,

915
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,640
and that's that's that's not a new thing.

916
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,444
I mean, people have been, you know, people

917
00:34:07,444 --> 00:34:09,125
have been immigrating to the United States for

918
00:34:09,125 --> 00:34:09,945
a long time.

919
00:34:10,485 --> 00:34:12,844
Often, you know, we there there

920
00:34:13,304 --> 00:34:15,304
I would maybe most examples,

921
00:34:16,244 --> 00:34:17,945
are are even seasonal

922
00:34:18,324 --> 00:34:20,324
or people who, you know, wanna work in

923
00:34:20,324 --> 00:34:22,005
the United States for a year or 2

924
00:34:22,005 --> 00:34:24,400
or 5 and then and send money home,

925
00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:27,180
because even working, you know, menial jobs here,

926
00:34:27,180 --> 00:34:29,099
they can send money back to their families

927
00:34:29,099 --> 00:34:31,920
and whichever country in Latin America or wherever

928
00:34:32,059 --> 00:34:34,380
it may be, or save up money. But

929
00:34:34,380 --> 00:34:35,200
there's another,

930
00:34:36,780 --> 00:34:38,800
kind of level of it, I guess, where

931
00:34:40,244 --> 00:34:43,364
the United States will intentionally destabilize countries in

932
00:34:43,364 --> 00:34:44,744
order to basically have,

933
00:34:45,444 --> 00:34:45,944
a

934
00:34:46,405 --> 00:34:48,724
a labor pool to increase the labor pool

935
00:34:48,724 --> 00:34:49,944
and suppress wages

936
00:34:50,405 --> 00:34:50,905
domestically,

937
00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:52,989
so then there's more competition,

938
00:34:53,530 --> 00:34:54,510
among the workers.

939
00:34:54,809 --> 00:34:55,949
They can get people,

940
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:57,769
you know, who are willing to work for

941
00:34:57,769 --> 00:34:59,230
less money and with,

942
00:34:59,769 --> 00:35:02,429
less benefits and in worse conditions,

943
00:35:03,289 --> 00:35:05,710
so they can basically just increase their profits.

944
00:35:05,804 --> 00:35:08,364
And then there tends you know, what happens

945
00:35:08,364 --> 00:35:11,105
of is, inevitably, there tends to be resentment

946
00:35:11,724 --> 00:35:13,585
from the domestic population

947
00:35:13,885 --> 00:35:14,385
here,

948
00:35:14,925 --> 00:35:16,065
against those,

949
00:35:16,844 --> 00:35:18,625
you know, those migrant workers

950
00:35:19,005 --> 00:35:19,244
where

951
00:35:20,090 --> 00:35:20,829
and, unfortunately,

952
00:35:21,929 --> 00:35:23,150
you know, that that,

953
00:35:24,809 --> 00:35:27,610
that anger and that frustration should be directed

954
00:35:27,610 --> 00:35:30,329
at the policymakers who've destabilized their countries, but,

955
00:35:30,329 --> 00:35:32,190
you know, it's hard to expect your,

956
00:35:32,650 --> 00:35:34,429
you know, average Joe to

957
00:35:34,815 --> 00:35:37,695
to understand the broader dynamics at play when

958
00:35:37,695 --> 00:35:39,614
he just sees, you know, a bunch of

959
00:35:39,614 --> 00:35:40,114
people,

960
00:35:40,655 --> 00:35:42,335
who are not from there showing up in

961
00:35:42,335 --> 00:35:44,255
his town and, you know, the conditions are

962
00:35:44,255 --> 00:35:46,619
getting worse, things are getting more expensive, there's

963
00:35:47,019 --> 00:35:48,539
inflation and war, and all of a sudden

964
00:35:48,539 --> 00:35:50,059
these new people are here. So what's going

965
00:35:50,059 --> 00:35:52,079
on? It must be that guy's fault. But,

966
00:35:53,099 --> 00:35:54,539
you know, there's a

967
00:35:54,860 --> 00:35:58,000
in the past few years, definitely, we've seen

968
00:35:58,059 --> 00:35:58,559
a

969
00:36:00,425 --> 00:36:01,565
geo geopolitical

970
00:36:01,945 --> 00:36:02,445
strategy

971
00:36:03,065 --> 00:36:04,505
play out where,

972
00:36:04,824 --> 00:36:08,684
the US encourages immigration from countries like Haiti,

973
00:36:08,824 --> 00:36:09,324
Venezuela,

974
00:36:09,784 --> 00:36:12,025
Nicaragua. If Kim, remind me the name of

975
00:36:12,025 --> 00:36:12,684
the program.

976
00:36:14,025 --> 00:36:15,819
Health or Hope. Is that what it was?

977
00:36:15,819 --> 00:36:17,659
I I thought you mentioned one the other

978
00:36:17,659 --> 00:36:18,319
day, but,

979
00:36:19,099 --> 00:36:20,400
I mean, essentially where

980
00:36:21,339 --> 00:36:22,940
my my wife is a reporter. She was

981
00:36:22,940 --> 00:36:25,119
at, the US Mexico border

982
00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:25,920
last

983
00:36:26,380 --> 00:36:28,079
year. Maybe this was in 2022,

984
00:36:29,019 --> 00:36:29,519
and

985
00:36:30,065 --> 00:36:32,144
she's and and she's she's a Spanish speaker,

986
00:36:32,144 --> 00:36:33,905
so she's talking to, you know, people coming

987
00:36:33,905 --> 00:36:35,765
through, and she would see that,

988
00:36:36,144 --> 00:36:37,845
border patrol would allow,

989
00:36:40,865 --> 00:36:44,230
Venezuelans to come through and basically direct them

990
00:36:44,369 --> 00:36:47,329
to, you know, different places. Think about the

991
00:36:47,329 --> 00:36:47,829
CHVN.

992
00:36:48,690 --> 00:36:50,789
Yeah. That that's a program yeah. Basically,

993
00:36:51,409 --> 00:36:53,889
what the Biden administration again, this is these

994
00:36:53,889 --> 00:36:54,389
complex

995
00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:56,864
things that the they they set up a

996
00:36:56,864 --> 00:36:59,525
program in, in January of 2023

997
00:36:59,905 --> 00:37:00,804
called the CHVM,

998
00:37:01,105 --> 00:37:02,085
which would allow

999
00:37:02,625 --> 00:37:03,125
immigrants

1000
00:37:03,664 --> 00:37:04,164
30,000

1001
00:37:04,704 --> 00:37:06,704
per month to come This is let let

1002
00:37:06,704 --> 00:37:08,144
me say it. This is this is still

1003
00:37:08,144 --> 00:37:10,171
illegal immigration. You're talking about legal immigration. I'm

1004
00:37:10,171 --> 00:37:10,304
talking about illegal. This at least yeah. I'm

1005
00:37:10,304 --> 00:37:11,285
talking about illegal where the US where the

1006
00:37:11,610 --> 00:37:12,890
US where the US, clearly gave border patrol

1007
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:14,650
agents, instructions to depending on the, nationality of

1008
00:37:14,650 --> 00:37:15,400
the migrant

1009
00:37:25,034 --> 00:37:25,534
to,

1010
00:37:25,994 --> 00:37:28,795
either allow them in or deny them or

1011
00:37:28,795 --> 00:37:29,855
send them for,

1012
00:37:31,594 --> 00:37:33,755
send them to, you know, just facilitate their

1013
00:37:33,755 --> 00:37:36,074
entry into the country, and that's it. Or,

1014
00:37:36,315 --> 00:37:37,534
in the case of Venezuelans,

1015
00:37:38,109 --> 00:37:38,849
and then,

1016
00:37:39,469 --> 00:37:41,150
in the and then, you know, with other

1017
00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:43,789
countries, say, like Mexicans or from El Salvador

1018
00:37:43,789 --> 00:37:45,869
or something like that, they would be, you

1019
00:37:45,869 --> 00:37:48,670
know, sent for processing and and and this

1020
00:37:48,670 --> 00:37:50,775
kind of thing. So That is basically yeah.

1021
00:37:50,855 --> 00:37:53,174
That is, again, the undermining. That's been going

1022
00:37:53,174 --> 00:37:55,174
on since the eighties before you were born

1023
00:37:55,174 --> 00:37:55,994
when the,

1024
00:37:56,694 --> 00:37:58,554
US has always been using,

1025
00:37:59,574 --> 00:38:00,074
the,

1026
00:38:01,414 --> 00:38:04,234
immigrants or the refugees from Cuba

1027
00:38:04,820 --> 00:38:06,119
and now Venezuela

1028
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:09,300
to to to give them basically a base

1029
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:11,960
here in the United States, mostly Miami.

1030
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:14,340
And so that's what that is. Yeah. The

1031
00:38:14,340 --> 00:38:16,820
illegals. And back in the eighties, they called

1032
00:38:16,820 --> 00:38:18,199
it web foot, dry foot.

1033
00:38:18,704 --> 00:38:20,545
That is a lot of the Cubans would

1034
00:38:20,545 --> 00:38:22,065
get here and maybe say, oh, yeah. Or

1035
00:38:22,065 --> 00:38:24,545
Cuba. Oh, yeah. That's terrible dictatorship. You can

1036
00:38:24,545 --> 00:38:26,625
come in. The Haitians would arrive up, send

1037
00:38:26,625 --> 00:38:28,465
you right back. You know? So that's that's

1038
00:38:28,465 --> 00:38:31,025
the double standard going on since since the

1039
00:38:31,025 --> 00:38:32,010
last 50 years.

1040
00:38:32,409 --> 00:38:33,610
So what do you what do you so

1041
00:38:33,610 --> 00:38:34,889
this was a very interesting point that I

1042
00:38:34,889 --> 00:38:36,889
saw you, point out in a different interview,

1043
00:38:36,889 --> 00:38:38,510
Dan. And so the idea being that

1044
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:40,570
what do you guys think what the the

1045
00:38:40,570 --> 00:38:42,329
the mindset is here? Why and and you

1046
00:38:42,329 --> 00:38:43,690
and you pointed out in the the other

1047
00:38:43,690 --> 00:38:45,530
interview, the idea that as we've all and

1048
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:47,914
this again, the eating animals part will come

1049
00:38:47,914 --> 00:38:49,195
up in this. It will get to the

1050
00:38:49,195 --> 00:38:50,715
the end with the idea of, like, Aurora

1051
00:38:50,715 --> 00:38:52,635
in Colorado and the idea of this I

1052
00:38:52,635 --> 00:38:55,514
I argue an equally misrepresented story that there's

1053
00:38:55,514 --> 00:38:57,195
clearly a gang problem in Aurora in general.

1054
00:38:57,195 --> 00:38:59,114
It's been talked about for a long time.

1055
00:38:59,114 --> 00:39:01,029
Venezuelan gangs. But then all of a sudden,

1056
00:39:01,029 --> 00:39:02,869
we get these stories which at best, I've

1057
00:39:02,869 --> 00:39:05,109
seen I've not been able to prove or

1058
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:06,869
verify that what they claim is true, in

1059
00:39:06,869 --> 00:39:09,289
many cases, the complete opposite or false completely,

1060
00:39:09,429 --> 00:39:11,190
but that they've taken over these apartment buildings.

1061
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:13,164
And I see these narratives flood. So why

1062
00:39:13,164 --> 00:39:14,684
do you what's the logic in your mind

1063
00:39:14,684 --> 00:39:16,605
of why they would say, yes, Haitians, yes,

1064
00:39:16,605 --> 00:39:19,085
Venezuelans, come in these areas? And and and

1065
00:39:19,085 --> 00:39:20,525
we and we could point out clearly as

1066
00:39:20,525 --> 00:39:22,625
I think we the idea of bringing 20,000

1067
00:39:22,764 --> 00:39:23,744
people in the city

1068
00:39:24,045 --> 00:39:26,019
of 40,000 a little bit less is crazy

1069
00:39:26,019 --> 00:39:28,139
in any context. Like, as that's not even

1070
00:39:28,139 --> 00:39:29,500
to get into how these are being lied

1071
00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:30,000
about.

1072
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:31,820
But do you think I guess, 2 part.

1073
00:39:31,820 --> 00:39:33,019
You know, what do you think their mindset

1074
00:39:33,019 --> 00:39:34,940
is, and do you think that's a deliberate

1075
00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:36,880
destabilization within the United States?

1076
00:39:37,659 --> 00:39:38,480
Yeah. Definitely.

1077
00:39:39,099 --> 00:39:40,239
I think it's it's,

1078
00:39:41,324 --> 00:39:42,065
to destabilize

1079
00:39:42,764 --> 00:39:43,264
domestically

1080
00:39:44,284 --> 00:39:44,605
and,

1081
00:39:45,244 --> 00:39:45,744
and,

1082
00:39:46,364 --> 00:39:48,925
you know, in in in Haiti itself. In

1083
00:39:48,925 --> 00:39:49,824
Haiti, so,

1084
00:39:50,525 --> 00:39:52,204
you know, again, you can bring in a

1085
00:39:52,204 --> 00:39:53,885
a labor pool, people who are willing to

1086
00:39:53,885 --> 00:39:56,900
do, you know, cheap, menial labor that the

1087
00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:59,539
domestic population maybe doesn't wanna do anymore or

1088
00:39:59,539 --> 00:40:00,599
or whatever it is.

1089
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:03,880
And then you can also say, look how

1090
00:40:04,099 --> 00:40:04,599
destabilized

1091
00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:07,059
that country is. We better send in our

1092
00:40:07,059 --> 00:40:07,800
our troops,

1093
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:09,945
to go fix it. So,

1094
00:40:10,425 --> 00:40:13,224
it creates the pretext for, some kind of

1095
00:40:13,224 --> 00:40:14,684
intervention, whether political

1096
00:40:15,065 --> 00:40:17,465
or military. And then domestically, you know, it's

1097
00:40:17,465 --> 00:40:19,405
a it's a convenient enemy and scapegoat.

1098
00:40:20,105 --> 00:40:21,625
And I mean, part of it is, I

1099
00:40:21,625 --> 00:40:23,945
think, you know, when you destabilize a country

1100
00:40:23,945 --> 00:40:25,164
and bring in

1101
00:40:26,489 --> 00:40:27,230
the population

1102
00:40:27,530 --> 00:40:29,469
or some segment of the population,

1103
00:40:30,250 --> 00:40:32,170
the vast majority of the people are gonna

1104
00:40:32,170 --> 00:40:33,309
be, I think,

1105
00:40:33,690 --> 00:40:36,349
decent, hardworking, you know, just wanna survive.

1106
00:40:37,050 --> 00:40:40,214
But certainly, you will get elements that are

1107
00:40:40,214 --> 00:40:41,514
criminal in nature.

1108
00:40:42,454 --> 00:40:42,954
And

1109
00:40:43,335 --> 00:40:45,655
and and even may there may be even

1110
00:40:45,655 --> 00:40:49,174
people who were gainfully employed or or or

1111
00:40:49,174 --> 00:40:51,894
or were, in their home country, but when

1112
00:40:51,894 --> 00:40:53,880
they leave, they go to a country that

1113
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,559
they're not from. They don't speak the language.

1114
00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:57,179
They don't have the same sort of,

1115
00:40:57,639 --> 00:40:58,139
social

1116
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:00,519
network. They don't have their family around, and

1117
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:02,539
they fall into criminal activity.

1118
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,079
I mean, I've, you know, friends of mine

1119
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:08,295
who have migrated from Colombia, for example, for,

1120
00:41:08,375 --> 00:41:10,614
you know, because of, threats to their lives.

1121
00:41:10,614 --> 00:41:12,054
I talk to them and they and they

1122
00:41:12,054 --> 00:41:13,894
describe that all the time, that, you know,

1123
00:41:13,894 --> 00:41:15,734
people they've known that, you know, they go

1124
00:41:15,734 --> 00:41:17,414
to whatever other country, go to the US,

1125
00:41:17,414 --> 00:41:19,335
they get into drugs, they get into drinking,

1126
00:41:19,335 --> 00:41:21,514
you know, they leave their wives, this, that.

1127
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:24,079
And, you know, you're

1128
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:25,380
there's

1129
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,280
that's that's a common thing. So it's just

1130
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,400
it's, you know, natural kind of immigration where

1131
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,559
people, you know, move back and forth for

1132
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:37,034
whatever reason, I think, is is one thing.

1133
00:41:37,034 --> 00:41:39,275
But when you're just, you know, basically burning

1134
00:41:39,275 --> 00:41:40,094
down countries,

1135
00:41:40,714 --> 00:41:43,034
whether intentional or not, you're gonna have an

1136
00:41:43,034 --> 00:41:45,694
impact domestically, and that can, of course, be

1137
00:41:45,835 --> 00:41:46,335
exploited

1138
00:41:47,034 --> 00:41:48,655
in a number of ways politically.

1139
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:50,390
And I'd add really quickly that up to

1140
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:51,990
what date you're saying again that this would

1141
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:53,910
exist no matter what grouping of people. Like,

1142
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:56,070
if you bring 20,000 people from literally anywhere,

1143
00:41:56,070 --> 00:41:58,630
whatever skin color, whatever location or religion, you're

1144
00:41:58,630 --> 00:42:00,630
gonna find people like they may have you

1145
00:42:00,630 --> 00:42:02,070
know, you're gonna find bad people in any

1146
00:42:02,070 --> 00:42:03,430
group of that size. But your I agree

1147
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:05,005
with you that by and large, that's, you

1148
00:42:05,005 --> 00:42:06,445
know, the opposite is what we're seeing. And

1149
00:42:06,445 --> 00:42:08,284
I that's this so do you have any

1150
00:42:08,284 --> 00:42:09,484
comments on that, Kim, before I ask the

1151
00:42:09,484 --> 00:42:11,724
next question? No. You go right ahead. So

1152
00:42:11,724 --> 00:42:13,085
I just wanna ask what do again, I

1153
00:42:13,085 --> 00:42:14,525
guess the same question. So what do you

1154
00:42:14,525 --> 00:42:16,204
think the reason is for that? Is this

1155
00:42:16,204 --> 00:42:18,690
just a byproduct to take advantage of? It's

1156
00:42:18,690 --> 00:42:20,630
the same point. If you're gonna choose

1157
00:42:21,010 --> 00:42:22,929
to bring Venezuelans in and and, you know,

1158
00:42:22,929 --> 00:42:25,010
treat them differently in in in a rapid

1159
00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:27,429
influx versus other groups from other countries

1160
00:42:28,130 --> 00:42:29,730
and and do so in such a ridiculous

1161
00:42:29,730 --> 00:42:31,409
way from no matter where they're from, to

1162
00:42:31,409 --> 00:42:33,329
bring that many people into one location. So

1163
00:42:33,329 --> 00:42:34,625
what do you think the point is? What

1164
00:42:34,625 --> 00:42:36,344
are they trying to accomplish, you know, for

1165
00:42:36,905 --> 00:42:38,985
either of you. Yeah. I don't my my

1166
00:42:38,985 --> 00:42:41,324
personal feeling is that these are unintended

1167
00:42:41,625 --> 00:42:43,885
consequences. That is the Aurora

1168
00:42:44,265 --> 00:42:46,905
Venezuelan gang. I I don't think they wanted

1169
00:42:46,905 --> 00:42:48,125
that or precisely,

1170
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:52,309
planned that, but it happened. It's an it's

1171
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:54,889
blowback as you said. Mhmm. And, you know,

1172
00:42:55,509 --> 00:42:58,069
one thing to remember is, like, let's say,

1173
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:58,969
case of Cuba,

1174
00:42:59,589 --> 00:43:01,929
where basically it was run by the mafia

1175
00:43:01,989 --> 00:43:04,329
before Fidel took over. So

1176
00:43:04,925 --> 00:43:07,025
just like they did with the Nazis

1177
00:43:07,324 --> 00:43:09,025
after World War 2,

1178
00:43:09,405 --> 00:43:10,224
they import

1179
00:43:10,605 --> 00:43:13,005
a lot of the criminal elements of the

1180
00:43:13,005 --> 00:43:15,264
Nazi high command of the Nazi scientists,

1181
00:43:15,565 --> 00:43:17,244
the same way they imported a lot of

1182
00:43:17,244 --> 00:43:19,184
the people who'd been working for the mafia,

1183
00:43:19,369 --> 00:43:21,150
a lot of criminals into the

1184
00:43:21,769 --> 00:43:22,269
US

1185
00:43:22,570 --> 00:43:24,110
to use them against,

1186
00:43:24,730 --> 00:43:25,230
Fidel.

1187
00:43:25,769 --> 00:43:26,250
And,

1188
00:43:26,570 --> 00:43:29,130
so you ended up getting these gangs, you

1189
00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:29,630
know,

1190
00:43:30,090 --> 00:43:31,070
Alpha 66

1191
00:43:31,449 --> 00:43:32,910
and Omega and etcetera,

1192
00:43:33,369 --> 00:43:35,393
who would be to some extent, almost out

1193
00:43:35,393 --> 00:43:36,105
of control, you know, and even doing things

1194
00:43:36,105 --> 00:43:38,445
that were provocative, you know, that maybe even

1195
00:43:38,585 --> 00:43:41,224
didn't have the green light from the CIA

1196
00:43:41,224 --> 00:43:43,545
or something. So I think that this is

1197
00:43:43,545 --> 00:43:45,565
happening on a larger level too.

1198
00:43:49,940 --> 00:43:50,440
With

1199
00:43:52,820 --> 00:43:52,849
the Venezuelans. I cannot imagine. I don't have

1200
00:43:52,849 --> 00:43:52,878
any evidence of that, but I cannot imagine

1201
00:43:52,878 --> 00:43:53,380
that they're trying to get as many Venezuelan

1202
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:55,000
disc contents and and, you know,

1203
00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:57,559
Guzzanos as they're called in Cuba,

1204
00:44:04,114 --> 00:44:06,934
to be able to use Escalados in Venezuela.

1205
00:44:07,795 --> 00:44:08,614
Okay. Escalados?

1206
00:44:08,914 --> 00:44:11,394
Okay. Yeah. Right. Yeah. In Venezuela. Yeah. That

1207
00:44:11,394 --> 00:44:13,315
that that they they can use against the

1208
00:44:13,315 --> 00:44:13,815
Venezuelans.

1209
00:44:14,114 --> 00:44:16,034
So so this is the thing. You you

1210
00:44:16,034 --> 00:44:19,014
control you have basically these these thugs,

1211
00:44:19,340 --> 00:44:19,840
they're

1212
00:44:20,380 --> 00:44:21,039
useful, but

1213
00:44:22,860 --> 00:44:23,175
sometimes they get out of control. So, to

1214
00:44:23,175 --> 00:44:23,579
me, that's the dynamic going on here. But

1215
00:44:23,579 --> 00:44:25,679
overall, the vast majority of the immigrants,

1216
00:44:31,944 --> 00:44:33,005
I mean, are mostly

1217
00:44:33,304 --> 00:44:35,164
really, I could say, extraordinary

1218
00:44:35,464 --> 00:44:37,784
people because they pick up their lives in

1219
00:44:37,784 --> 00:44:39,964
their country where they'd much prefer to be

1220
00:44:40,105 --> 00:44:41,784
to come here to start a new one,

1221
00:44:41,784 --> 00:44:43,704
and and most of them are more upright

1222
00:44:43,704 --> 00:44:45,989
than any American citizens that I know.

1223
00:44:46,469 --> 00:44:47,909
And and, well, to be clear, the they

1224
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:50,150
and that I think that's important for people

1225
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:51,670
to hear. But what I'm I wasn't even

1226
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:54,550
necessarily asking about, like, a bad element. Just

1227
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:55,190
they they

1228
00:44:56,070 --> 00:44:58,389
an organic grouping of 20,000 people. Right? So

1229
00:44:58,389 --> 00:44:59,909
I find it interesting that it would be

1230
00:44:59,909 --> 00:45:01,585
so deliberate that they would, you know, as

1231
00:45:01,585 --> 00:45:03,105
Dan's highlighting, that this would be a pick

1232
00:45:03,105 --> 00:45:05,744
and choose selective based on the country. I

1233
00:45:05,744 --> 00:45:07,344
find that to be hard to ignore that

1234
00:45:07,344 --> 00:45:08,704
if they're making that choice, I think that

1235
00:45:08,704 --> 00:45:10,545
there must be some political reason there. And

1236
00:45:10,545 --> 00:45:12,625
then the idea being that why have so

1237
00:45:12,625 --> 00:45:14,785
many go into a account a country a

1238
00:45:14,785 --> 00:45:16,920
a city of such a small percent a

1239
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,440
number of people. Like to me that seems

1240
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,679
like a deliberate choice. Like for example, you

1241
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:22,760
know, in the political paradigm that I I

1242
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,679
call the 2 party illusion, people would argue

1243
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:26,440
that this from a democrat perspective would be

1244
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,119
up votes. I don't see that being very

1245
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:30,280
logical today, but you know there's there's opinions

1246
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,125
around that. So do we think there's anything

1247
00:45:32,125 --> 00:45:33,565
there? Like, I just don't get the logic

1248
00:45:33,565 --> 00:45:35,164
of dumping that many people in a small

1249
00:45:35,164 --> 00:45:36,924
city. Why wouldn't it be spread out? You

1250
00:45:36,924 --> 00:45:39,404
know? No. They're they're not dumping them. What

1251
00:45:39,404 --> 00:45:40,464
it is is,

1252
00:45:42,364 --> 00:45:45,210
economics. That is the Haitians arrive and they're

1253
00:45:45,210 --> 00:45:47,769
going to the places with the cheapest rents

1254
00:45:47,769 --> 00:45:49,789
and the most jobs. Okay. Indianapolis

1255
00:45:50,090 --> 00:45:51,070
has, like, 500,000

1256
00:45:51,449 --> 00:45:52,429
Haitians. Indianapolis,

1257
00:45:52,809 --> 00:45:55,010
Indiana. You don't hear about that, but Right.

1258
00:45:55,210 --> 00:45:56,670
You know, it's Springfield

1259
00:45:57,130 --> 00:45:59,954
is just another example of it. So the

1260
00:45:59,954 --> 00:46:02,275
Haitians have been flooding to the areas of

1261
00:46:02,275 --> 00:46:02,775
opportunity.

1262
00:46:03,235 --> 00:46:05,315
I mean, Haitians are in almost every city

1263
00:46:05,315 --> 00:46:07,414
in the US. I was in Boise, Idaho

1264
00:46:07,635 --> 00:46:09,315
about a decade ago, and I was in

1265
00:46:09,315 --> 00:46:11,075
my hotel room and I heard Haitian the

1266
00:46:11,075 --> 00:46:12,675
grail down the hallway. I went down and

1267
00:46:12,675 --> 00:46:14,170
said, what are you doing here? And it

1268
00:46:14,170 --> 00:46:16,410
turned out there's a there's a community of,

1269
00:46:16,410 --> 00:46:19,289
like, 300 Haitians living outside of Boise, Idaho.

1270
00:46:19,289 --> 00:46:21,150
You don't get more white bread than that.

1271
00:46:21,289 --> 00:46:22,890
And, you know, they come in and they

1272
00:46:22,890 --> 00:46:25,065
clean the hotels in Boise. So,

1273
00:46:25,464 --> 00:46:27,885
you have Haitians looking for jobs, for opportunity

1274
00:46:28,264 --> 00:46:30,184
anywhere, and so that's why they end up.

1275
00:46:30,184 --> 00:46:31,724
So I don't think, yeah, this is,

1276
00:46:32,105 --> 00:46:33,644
something conceived of,

1277
00:46:34,505 --> 00:46:36,204
in that respect. They're,

1278
00:46:36,984 --> 00:46:38,284
sometimes they'll resettle

1279
00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:39,670
communities.

1280
00:46:39,970 --> 00:46:41,809
I've heard, you know, that's how a lot

1281
00:46:41,809 --> 00:46:42,390
of the,

1282
00:46:43,170 --> 00:46:45,890
Eritreans and Ethiopians ended up maybe up in,

1283
00:46:47,570 --> 00:46:49,809
Minneapolis and stuff like that, but that that's

1284
00:46:49,809 --> 00:46:51,255
pretty rare. I think

1285
00:46:51,574 --> 00:46:54,054
the Haitians, they come in through Miami or

1286
00:46:54,054 --> 00:46:55,574
New York, and then they they go to

1287
00:46:55,574 --> 00:46:57,335
wherever the rents are. I mean, you can

1288
00:46:57,335 --> 00:46:59,114
get a house in Indianapolis,

1289
00:47:00,214 --> 00:47:02,634
3 bedrooms and a garage for a $1500.

1290
00:47:03,429 --> 00:47:05,670
You can't get that studio apartment here in

1291
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:07,429
New York for that. So Right. That's what's

1292
00:47:07,429 --> 00:47:09,190
going on. I mean, you're you're kind of

1293
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:11,369
I think what what you're

1294
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:14,630
touching on, Ryan, is the geopolitical the bigger

1295
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:17,349
geopolitical strategy. Like, I mean, basically, I think

1296
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:18,170
it's to,

1297
00:47:18,815 --> 00:47:19,315
eliminate

1298
00:47:20,335 --> 00:47:20,835
sovereignty

1299
00:47:21,614 --> 00:47:24,094
in, you know, other countries. So, I mean,

1300
00:47:24,094 --> 00:47:26,275
look at the countries that are not demonized.

1301
00:47:27,454 --> 00:47:28,514
You know, Guatemala,

1302
00:47:29,694 --> 00:47:31,614
El Salvador. I mean, now there's, you know,

1303
00:47:31,614 --> 00:47:33,214
some kind of back and forth. But in

1304
00:47:33,295 --> 00:47:33,795
but

1305
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:36,550
Mex I mean, Mex okay. Mexico is demonized

1306
00:47:36,550 --> 00:47:38,949
because now they have, you know I mean,

1307
00:47:38,949 --> 00:47:40,630
I don't know about the new president, but

1308
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:42,389
AMLO is not exactly under the thumb of

1309
00:47:42,389 --> 00:47:44,230
the United States. So Right. But the, you

1310
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:46,489
know, country, like, call you know, Colombia,

1311
00:47:47,864 --> 00:47:50,824
you know, Colombia, Mexico, El Salvador, huge amounts

1312
00:47:50,824 --> 00:47:53,625
of migrants have been from from there, and

1313
00:47:53,625 --> 00:47:54,445
that's been

1314
00:47:54,985 --> 00:47:55,485
advantageous,

1315
00:47:55,864 --> 00:47:56,364
basically,

1316
00:47:56,744 --> 00:47:59,385
for the, you know, ruling class in the

1317
00:47:59,385 --> 00:48:02,525
United States to have this massive labor pool.

1318
00:48:03,059 --> 00:48:03,960
And everywhere

1319
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:06,900
you go throughout the United States, there is

1320
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:09,160
a huge hue there are huge Latino

1321
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:10,200
communities,

1322
00:48:11,140 --> 00:48:13,960
and their countries are, you know, have basically

1323
00:48:14,019 --> 00:48:14,519
been,

1324
00:48:15,780 --> 00:48:18,795
you know, destroyed in many ways and, you

1325
00:48:18,795 --> 00:48:20,554
know, not like there's no life in any

1326
00:48:20,554 --> 00:48:21,775
of those countries, but they've,

1327
00:48:22,474 --> 00:48:24,734
they're they have not had sovereignty.

1328
00:48:25,434 --> 00:48:27,775
Their economies have been completely

1329
00:48:28,234 --> 00:48:29,375
shaped and designed,

1330
00:48:30,155 --> 00:48:31,454
by US neoliberal

1331
00:48:31,994 --> 00:48:32,494
economics.

1332
00:48:33,389 --> 00:48:35,389
And so that's, you know, the same thing

1333
00:48:35,389 --> 00:48:35,889
that

1334
00:48:36,190 --> 00:48:37,889
the US wants to impose

1335
00:48:38,269 --> 00:48:40,510
on, you know, Nicaragua, for example, to get

1336
00:48:40,510 --> 00:48:43,069
its population to flee. It's just like destroy

1337
00:48:43,069 --> 00:48:45,150
all of them, have their people come here.

1338
00:48:45,150 --> 00:48:46,609
It's a it's and then,

1339
00:48:47,755 --> 00:48:49,295
you know, send your,

1340
00:48:49,994 --> 00:48:52,394
you know, shape the economy so they're completely

1341
00:48:52,394 --> 00:48:52,894
dependent,

1342
00:48:53,755 --> 00:48:55,135
on the United States.

1343
00:48:56,875 --> 00:48:59,275
You know, have World Bank and IMF policies,

1344
00:48:59,275 --> 00:49:01,139
have them in huge amounts of debt,

1345
00:49:01,539 --> 00:49:03,859
basically to reimpose, like, a a a new

1346
00:49:03,859 --> 00:49:05,940
form of of slavery, I think, is is

1347
00:49:05,940 --> 00:49:07,779
really what this is about. So the countries

1348
00:49:07,779 --> 00:49:09,480
that resist that,

1349
00:49:09,859 --> 00:49:12,099
are gonna be demonized, and the US is

1350
00:49:12,099 --> 00:49:14,119
gonna do everything possible to destabilize

1351
00:49:14,420 --> 00:49:17,025
them and, you know, get their get portions

1352
00:49:17,025 --> 00:49:19,605
of their population to to leave the country.

1353
00:49:20,065 --> 00:49:22,464
Right. Yeah. Dan, if I can, just jump

1354
00:49:22,464 --> 00:49:24,385
in there and, because I have to jump

1355
00:49:24,385 --> 00:49:25,264
out. But,

1356
00:49:25,585 --> 00:49:27,905
yeah, this goes back to where we when

1357
00:49:27,905 --> 00:49:29,605
I did better Kane back in 1983,

1358
00:49:29,905 --> 00:49:31,425
we were looking at this. This was the

1359
00:49:31,425 --> 00:49:31,925
beginning

1360
00:49:32,660 --> 00:49:33,160
bifurcation

1361
00:49:33,539 --> 00:49:35,160
of the US economy

1362
00:49:35,539 --> 00:49:38,119
to where we just did services here

1363
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:41,239
and all our production was sent overseas.

1364
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:43,460
So we sent it to Latin America. Haiti

1365
00:49:43,460 --> 00:49:45,059
was one of the first cases where they

1366
00:49:45,059 --> 00:49:46,724
started to go get the cheap labor. That's

1367
00:49:46,724 --> 00:49:48,905
what Peter Kane looks into very deeply.

1368
00:49:49,204 --> 00:49:49,704
But

1369
00:49:50,005 --> 00:49:51,684
once they saw it work there, they started

1370
00:49:51,684 --> 00:49:52,985
to send it to Costa Rica,

1371
00:49:53,285 --> 00:49:54,985
Nicaragua before the revolution,

1372
00:49:55,445 --> 00:49:55,945
Honduras,

1373
00:49:57,525 --> 00:49:58,664
you know, throughout,

1374
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:02,239
and then also Mexico and, of course, China.

1375
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:03,840
Like, China was great for them at the

1376
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,260
beginning. But now what's begun to happen

1377
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,219
is that the the former vassal,

1378
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,460
we could call them prison

1379
00:50:11,925 --> 00:50:13,144
colony cheap labor,

1380
00:50:13,925 --> 00:50:15,864
are starting to rebel. China,

1381
00:50:17,045 --> 00:50:19,144
Mexico too, to some extent,

1382
00:50:20,005 --> 00:50:20,505
Brazil.

1383
00:50:21,204 --> 00:50:23,704
So all the the the empire

1384
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:24,739
is

1385
00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:28,579
shaking with trouble, and that's the Global Fragility

1386
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,800
Act is okay. We're gonna make it easy

1387
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,840
for them. We're gonna put our military base

1388
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,000
there because that's what the Global Fragility Act

1389
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,920
calls for, and then we're gonna put them

1390
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:38,900
on a lifeline

1391
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:39,780
of

1392
00:50:40,295 --> 00:50:41,675
US surplus food,

1393
00:50:42,215 --> 00:50:44,555
corn, rice, wheat, etcetera.

1394
00:50:45,095 --> 00:50:47,015
They don't have to worry about the food.

1395
00:50:47,015 --> 00:50:48,855
We're gonna feed you. You we got you

1396
00:50:48,855 --> 00:50:51,095
by the belly. We got you. And that's

1397
00:50:51,095 --> 00:50:52,075
that's the idea.

1398
00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:53,829
Yeah. I mean and this is such a

1399
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:55,269
classic. I mean, not even to get into

1400
00:50:55,269 --> 00:50:57,030
the idea of the the terrible, you know,

1401
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:58,949
GMOs, whatever else they're probably gonna send over

1402
00:50:58,949 --> 00:51:01,510
there. The idea of the classic US policy

1403
00:51:01,510 --> 00:51:03,109
or, you know, like like, confessions of an

1404
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:04,010
economic hitman,

1405
00:51:04,550 --> 00:51:06,309
you know, the the the understanding there of

1406
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:07,824
the the debt part of it. But, really,

1407
00:51:07,824 --> 00:51:09,545
that it comes down as you're highlighting that

1408
00:51:09,545 --> 00:51:11,545
you you create a situation where you act

1409
00:51:11,545 --> 00:51:13,864
like it's help, but, ultimately, you set it

1410
00:51:13,864 --> 00:51:16,505
up to where they're so overly reliant on

1411
00:51:16,505 --> 00:51:18,664
the US or other western interest for what

1412
00:51:18,664 --> 00:51:20,650
they need to survive, and they ultimately end

1413
00:51:20,650 --> 00:51:22,809
up producing what the US government demands of

1414
00:51:22,809 --> 00:51:24,730
them. And so that rug can be pulled.

1415
00:51:24,730 --> 00:51:26,890
At the moment, they're no longer advantageous. And

1416
00:51:26,890 --> 00:51:29,210
it's such an it's such an obvious ongoing

1417
00:51:29,210 --> 00:51:30,969
part of this history. And so that's why

1418
00:51:30,969 --> 00:51:32,730
all of this is so infuriating to watch

1419
00:51:32,730 --> 00:51:35,309
this get boiled down to the most absurd,

1420
00:51:36,385 --> 00:51:39,905
you know, cartoonish allegations about ant eating animals

1421
00:51:39,905 --> 00:51:41,585
and, you know, voodoo and all these things

1422
00:51:41,585 --> 00:51:44,065
that are you know, there's some elements of

1423
00:51:44,144 --> 00:51:46,385
that could be pointed to around the world,

1424
00:51:46,385 --> 00:51:48,724
but this this conversation has gotten so cartoonish.

1425
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:50,179
And so, I guess, we let's get into

1426
00:51:50,179 --> 00:51:51,380
that to sort of kind of, you know,

1427
00:51:51,380 --> 00:51:52,420
fine tune this. And if you have to

1428
00:51:52,420 --> 00:51:54,339
jump out, let me know. Yeah. Yeah. That's

1429
00:51:54,339 --> 00:51:56,579
me. Yeah. I gotta I gotta run. But,

1430
00:51:56,900 --> 00:51:59,319
yeah. That's been a very, invigorating

1431
00:51:59,699 --> 00:52:01,460
discussion, and I'm sure Dan will,

1432
00:52:02,565 --> 00:52:04,164
hold the fort as it were in my,

1433
00:52:04,484 --> 00:52:07,045
absence. But, yes, thanks very much, Ryan, for

1434
00:52:07,045 --> 00:52:08,724
having us. Okay. And thank you very much

1435
00:52:08,724 --> 00:52:10,244
for joining us, and, let's connect again in

1436
00:52:10,244 --> 00:52:11,525
the future. Okay. So

1437
00:52:12,484 --> 00:52:14,644
Well, Dan, what since since we can go

1438
00:52:14,644 --> 00:52:16,405
into let me ask you one more question

1439
00:52:16,405 --> 00:52:17,525
actually before we jump into,

1440
00:52:18,619 --> 00:52:19,119
the

1441
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:21,660
idea of the kind of and what your

1442
00:52:21,660 --> 00:52:23,260
thoughts on why that story is coming up

1443
00:52:23,260 --> 00:52:24,619
and what they're trying to hide. But, like,

1444
00:52:24,619 --> 00:52:25,980
in regard one of my point about the

1445
00:52:25,980 --> 00:52:29,099
weaponized immigration migration part, do you see or

1446
00:52:29,099 --> 00:52:30,954
just in general with Haiti, do you have

1447
00:52:30,954 --> 00:52:34,175
any insight or or thoughts on Israel's involvement?

1448
00:52:34,635 --> 00:52:36,714
You know, there there's a famous example or

1449
00:52:36,714 --> 00:52:39,194
a a a a very widely known example

1450
00:52:39,194 --> 00:52:39,855
of a,

1451
00:52:40,554 --> 00:52:42,655
a billionaire named, where is it,

1452
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:46,860
Gilbert? Gilbert Biggio? Biggio. Yeah. And and the

1453
00:52:46,860 --> 00:52:48,460
influence there. And, you know, just your thoughts

1454
00:52:48,460 --> 00:52:50,059
on that. Because, look, there's a very open

1455
00:52:50,059 --> 00:52:52,380
conversation for those listening. My work has shown

1456
00:52:52,380 --> 00:52:54,380
this clearly of of I mean, there's, like,

1457
00:52:54,380 --> 00:52:55,760
think tanks writing, like,

1458
00:52:56,184 --> 00:52:58,664
I guess, you know, scientific, you know, outlines

1459
00:52:58,664 --> 00:53:00,924
about the use of this or weaponized migration,

1460
00:53:00,984 --> 00:53:03,065
Israel being one of them, even allegations right

1461
00:53:03,065 --> 00:53:05,005
now about how they're using the Gaza population.

1462
00:53:05,224 --> 00:53:07,385
So, in my opinion, it's an undeniable fact

1463
00:53:07,385 --> 00:53:07,885
that

1464
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,400
empires have used weaponized migration throughout the world

1465
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,579
going back a long way. Now it's debatable

1466
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:14,460
debatable

1467
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,760
in some people's minds about whether that's part

1468
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,440
of what's happening here and so on, but

1469
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:19,960
I wanted your thoughts on the idea of

1470
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,140
Israel's involvement in that or just the destabilization

1471
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,559
of Haiti, you know, wherever you'd like to

1472
00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:24,014
go with

1473
00:53:24,974 --> 00:53:27,855
that. Yeah. You know, that's I have not

1474
00:53:27,855 --> 00:53:29,875
looked deeply into into

1475
00:53:30,494 --> 00:53:31,714
Israeli involvement,

1476
00:53:32,894 --> 00:53:34,734
in Haiti, and that's something that I would

1477
00:53:34,734 --> 00:53:35,554
like to do.

1478
00:53:36,494 --> 00:53:37,154
I mean,

1479
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:40,860
Gilbert Biggio, I think, is the single richest

1480
00:53:40,860 --> 00:53:41,360
man

1481
00:53:41,739 --> 00:53:42,059
in,

1482
00:53:42,699 --> 00:53:43,360
in Haiti,

1483
00:53:43,980 --> 00:53:46,000
a I think an ardent Zionist.

1484
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:46,940
Mhmm. So,

1485
00:53:47,980 --> 00:53:49,340
and, you know, if you look at the

1486
00:53:49,340 --> 00:53:52,480
the history prior to the Aristide years,

1487
00:53:53,525 --> 00:53:55,945
you know, during the the Duvalier dictatorship,

1488
00:53:56,405 --> 00:53:58,485
I think there are some some ties to

1489
00:53:58,485 --> 00:54:00,805
to Israel then, whether, you know, weapons, training,

1490
00:54:00,805 --> 00:54:02,644
something like that. And certainly, you know, in

1491
00:54:02,644 --> 00:54:04,585
the region, Israel has an extremely

1492
00:54:05,445 --> 00:54:06,344
bloody history,

1493
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:10,480
you know, whether in Colombia, which I've written

1494
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,179
about extensively there,

1495
00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:16,480
you know, in in Cuba. I mean, Israel

1496
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,559
is even involved in Cuba, all over the

1497
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:21,119
place, in in genocides and and and other

1498
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:21,940
things. So,

1499
00:54:23,335 --> 00:54:24,934
so, you know, that that's it's it's a

1500
00:54:24,934 --> 00:54:26,295
good question that I don't know a whole

1501
00:54:26,295 --> 00:54:27,815
lot about. When I will say when I

1502
00:54:27,815 --> 00:54:28,315
was,

1503
00:54:29,414 --> 00:54:29,914
in,

1504
00:54:31,974 --> 00:54:32,474
Haiti,

1505
00:54:32,855 --> 00:54:35,255
last time I was there was February of

1506
00:54:35,255 --> 00:54:36,295
this year. I,

1507
00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:39,289
I took a I we were we were

1508
00:54:39,289 --> 00:54:39,789
in,

1509
00:54:40,730 --> 00:54:42,489
you know, one of the kind of

1510
00:54:43,929 --> 00:54:45,469
we're in kind of one of the popular

1511
00:54:45,530 --> 00:54:47,210
neighborhoods, you know, when not not in the

1512
00:54:47,210 --> 00:54:48,650
wealthy areas, you know, one of the kind

1513
00:54:48,650 --> 00:54:49,550
of poor neighborhoods,

1514
00:54:50,170 --> 00:54:52,664
and, near I guess near the port,

1515
00:54:52,985 --> 00:54:54,125
and I saw,

1516
00:54:56,025 --> 00:54:58,505
a a big business that on its big

1517
00:54:58,505 --> 00:55:02,025
metal gate had a huge Israeli flag painted

1518
00:55:02,025 --> 00:55:03,945
on it. And I was trying to figure

1519
00:55:03,945 --> 00:55:06,045
out what it was. I was asking contacts

1520
00:55:06,184 --> 00:55:08,309
and just googling, and I could not figure

1521
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:09,049
out anything.

1522
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:11,750
And, you know, I didn't spend, like, huge

1523
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:13,670
amounts of time looking into it, but, you

1524
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:15,509
know, that's a great question. What is why

1525
00:55:15,509 --> 00:55:16,409
is this Israeli

1526
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:18,089
flag painted on,

1527
00:55:18,469 --> 00:55:20,549
this this big business? So so I don't

1528
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:22,489
know. It's it's it's a great question.

1529
00:55:24,684 --> 00:55:26,065
Yeah. I wish I knew.

1530
00:55:26,445 --> 00:55:27,965
Well, yeah, I think it's important people to

1531
00:55:27,965 --> 00:55:30,445
look into the history around the the I

1532
00:55:30,445 --> 00:55:32,284
I mean, generally, just from a global perspective,

1533
00:55:32,284 --> 00:55:34,284
the idea of weaponized migration and how that's

1534
00:55:34,284 --> 00:55:36,670
been used over over long periods of time

1535
00:55:36,670 --> 00:55:38,510
to influence. I mean, I I frankly think

1536
00:55:38,510 --> 00:55:40,190
that's part of what we're seeing in in

1537
00:55:40,190 --> 00:55:42,030
this country and outside as well. And I

1538
00:55:42,030 --> 00:55:43,630
just think it's important for people to see

1539
00:55:43,630 --> 00:55:45,469
these other strings, like, we're highlighting with the

1540
00:55:45,469 --> 00:55:46,989
United States government. I mean, I think right

1541
00:55:46,989 --> 00:55:48,030
now for a lot of people in the

1542
00:55:48,030 --> 00:55:50,114
world, the history of US for intervention,

1543
00:55:50,414 --> 00:55:50,914
destabilization,

1544
00:55:51,454 --> 00:55:53,414
regime change occupation is is a it's a

1545
00:55:53,535 --> 00:55:55,155
you know, despite the childish

1546
00:55:55,535 --> 00:55:57,855
denials from US government, it's like everybody's very

1547
00:55:57,855 --> 00:55:59,695
aware of that. And I think Israel's played

1548
00:55:59,695 --> 00:56:01,135
a major role in those over the years

1549
00:56:01,135 --> 00:56:02,735
as well, which is starting to come out

1550
00:56:02,735 --> 00:56:04,539
more and more. So, yeah, I I definitely

1551
00:56:04,539 --> 00:56:05,980
will include these show note these in the

1552
00:56:05,980 --> 00:56:08,000
notes for people to look further into. But

1553
00:56:08,059 --> 00:56:09,980
the interesting part of a Zionist sort of

1554
00:56:09,980 --> 00:56:11,900
being the one of the richest people in

1555
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:13,659
the world, but influential in in Haiti in

1556
00:56:13,659 --> 00:56:15,099
particular for such a long period of time

1557
00:56:15,099 --> 00:56:16,954
is it's just fascinating to me. So let

1558
00:56:16,994 --> 00:56:18,674
let's let's end with that part I was

1559
00:56:18,674 --> 00:56:20,514
asking there in regard to why. Why do

1560
00:56:20,514 --> 00:56:21,894
you think with this,

1561
00:56:22,434 --> 00:56:23,954
you know, we saw this kind of spin

1562
00:56:23,954 --> 00:56:24,694
out of control

1563
00:56:25,154 --> 00:56:26,914
at the, where was that? The the the

1564
00:56:26,914 --> 00:56:27,414
debate

1565
00:56:27,795 --> 00:56:29,474
where Trump said, you know, they're eating the

1566
00:56:29,474 --> 00:56:31,469
animals. And, know, it it's it was it's

1567
00:56:31,469 --> 00:56:33,390
very flimsy from where it very start from

1568
00:56:33,390 --> 00:56:35,150
where it started. And my research into this

1569
00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:35,650
showed

1570
00:56:36,030 --> 00:56:38,750
that there is an interesting overlap around different

1571
00:56:38,750 --> 00:56:40,349
things you might have seen in in Brooklyn,

1572
00:56:40,349 --> 00:56:42,510
for example. There's a weird history of animal

1573
00:56:42,510 --> 00:56:45,094
sacrifice in different cemeteries and things that, like,

1574
00:56:45,094 --> 00:56:45,594
protected

1575
00:56:45,894 --> 00:56:47,414
aspects of different but it seems to be

1576
00:56:47,414 --> 00:56:50,135
very minute, and and it got turned into

1577
00:56:50,135 --> 00:56:53,174
this NASH really international story out of nowhere.

1578
00:56:53,174 --> 00:56:54,614
And so I wonder your thoughts on the

1579
00:56:54,614 --> 00:56:56,934
validity of that story in general and specifically

1580
00:56:56,934 --> 00:56:59,434
Springfield or rather just Ohio in general

1581
00:56:59,799 --> 00:57:00,299
and

1582
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:01,900
and the use in the debate

1583
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:04,039
and and why you think that might have

1584
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:06,599
come up and overlapping with the we Brent

1585
00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:08,599
may mention Jimmy Barbecue and the story there

1586
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:10,119
of cannibalism. And, you know, is there a

1587
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:11,559
thread here? Like, why do you think that's

1588
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:12,219
being used?

1589
00:57:13,405 --> 00:57:15,664
Yeah. I mean, in terms of the recent,

1590
00:57:16,364 --> 00:57:17,105
you know,

1591
00:57:17,644 --> 00:57:18,864
I would call hysteria

1592
00:57:19,405 --> 00:57:21,424
about Haitians eating animals,

1593
00:57:22,684 --> 00:57:25,085
it seems to me like a just a

1594
00:57:25,085 --> 00:57:26,304
campaign strategy

1595
00:57:26,730 --> 00:57:27,230
for,

1596
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:29,630
for for the Trump campaign,

1597
00:57:30,809 --> 00:57:34,190
that was cooked up probably with Elon Musk,

1598
00:57:34,329 --> 00:57:37,389
whoever is advising Trump's, Trump's campaign,

1599
00:57:38,650 --> 00:57:41,114
because, you know, of course, now that Elon

1600
00:57:41,114 --> 00:57:43,934
Musk is the owner of of x,

1601
00:57:44,474 --> 00:57:46,155
or, you know, the front man for x

1602
00:57:46,155 --> 00:57:48,155
or what, you know, whatever whatever he is,

1603
00:57:48,155 --> 00:57:50,394
I mean, there's a huge, huge, huge amount

1604
00:57:50,394 --> 00:57:50,894
of,

1605
00:57:51,434 --> 00:57:52,255
of kind of

1606
00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:53,579
influencers

1607
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,119
that, you know, are are paid through his

1608
00:57:56,119 --> 00:57:56,619
whole,

1609
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,760
you know, there's the subscription thing and then

1610
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:01,659
the ad revenue,

1611
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:05,319
and and, you know, only some accounts will

1612
00:58:05,319 --> 00:58:07,614
get ad revenue depending on if your content

1613
00:58:07,614 --> 00:58:09,074
is ad revenue friendly.

1614
00:58:09,454 --> 00:58:09,534
So,

1615
00:58:11,454 --> 00:58:13,295
you know, you I mean, you know, many

1616
00:58:13,295 --> 00:58:15,614
of those accounts, the the Ian Michaels Chongs

1617
00:58:15,614 --> 00:58:17,134
of the world, and it's you know, these

1618
00:58:17,134 --> 00:58:17,634
guys

1619
00:58:18,949 --> 00:58:21,589
make, you know, tens of 1,000 of dollars

1620
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:24,069
per month. So they can basically, Elon can

1621
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:26,889
it looks like just hand out a directive.

1622
00:58:27,029 --> 00:58:29,909
Okay. Everyone promote these cat these Haitians eating

1623
00:58:29,909 --> 00:58:32,230
cat and dog memes, and and, you know,

1624
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:34,489
he's in with the Trump campaign. So,

1625
00:58:35,164 --> 00:58:36,224
you know, it's it's

1626
00:58:36,764 --> 00:58:39,105
firmly on the side of Trump. Whereas the,

1627
00:58:39,244 --> 00:58:41,484
you know, the the more mainstream media, the,

1628
00:58:41,484 --> 00:58:43,484
you know, CNNs and New York Times are

1629
00:58:43,484 --> 00:58:45,885
obviously on the on the side of, the

1630
00:58:45,885 --> 00:58:47,184
Kamala Harris campaign.

1631
00:58:47,965 --> 00:58:48,465
So,

1632
00:58:49,110 --> 00:58:50,890
yeah, I mean, the the stories

1633
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:52,890
that of these alleged,

1634
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:56,170
cat

1635
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:59,349
Haitians eating cats, well, they were totally phony

1636
00:58:59,349 --> 00:59:01,190
to start with. I mean, the one the

1637
00:59:01,190 --> 00:59:03,130
one that went viral was, you know,

1638
00:59:03,755 --> 00:59:05,135
happened the month before,

1639
00:59:05,675 --> 00:59:08,074
in another not in Springfield, Ohio. I think

1640
00:59:08,074 --> 00:59:09,994
in Canton, Ohio, and it was a woman

1641
00:59:09,994 --> 00:59:11,775
who was actually not even Haitian,

1642
00:59:12,315 --> 00:59:13,835
but that, you know, became a huge thing.

1643
00:59:13,835 --> 00:59:14,954
And then there was another,

1644
00:59:15,755 --> 00:59:18,414
image of a actually from Ohio. Right? Exactly.

1645
00:59:18,635 --> 00:59:19,940
I don't know whether it's ever proven that

1646
00:59:19,940 --> 00:59:21,460
she actually ate it. That was just shouted

1647
00:59:21,460 --> 00:59:23,059
in the video that we never verified. You

1648
00:59:23,059 --> 00:59:24,440
know? Right. Right.

1649
00:59:24,739 --> 00:59:26,179
And then and then the other one was

1650
00:59:26,179 --> 00:59:27,880
like some guy carrying a goose.

1651
00:59:28,579 --> 00:59:30,019
And I think, you know, the origin of

1652
00:59:30,019 --> 00:59:31,380
it was like he was actually or, you

1653
00:59:31,380 --> 00:59:32,659
know, it turned out he was actually, like,

1654
00:59:32,659 --> 00:59:34,014
helping the goose or something like that. It

1655
00:59:34,014 --> 00:59:36,014
wasn't even Haitian. It was, you know, just

1656
00:59:36,014 --> 00:59:38,335
some photo from Reddit. So it's all just

1657
00:59:38,335 --> 00:59:40,414
totally absurd, and it just gets turned into

1658
00:59:40,414 --> 00:59:42,275
these viral memes and hysteria.

1659
00:59:42,894 --> 00:59:43,534
And, you know,

1660
00:59:44,414 --> 00:59:45,394
there's there's

1661
00:59:46,094 --> 00:59:47,235
you know, it it's

1662
00:59:47,775 --> 00:59:51,070
it just became like this is okay, obviously,

1663
00:59:51,289 --> 00:59:52,890
for Trump to talk about, and then he

1664
00:59:52,890 --> 00:59:54,329
talked about it with the debate. Oh, in

1665
00:59:54,329 --> 00:59:56,489
Springfield, they're talking about or, you know, they're

1666
00:59:56,489 --> 00:59:58,969
eating they're eating the pets. They're eating the

1667
00:59:58,969 --> 00:59:59,869
cats, and

1668
01:00:00,650 --> 01:00:02,269
and, you know, the thing is

1669
01:00:02,925 --> 01:00:05,005
they don't wanna talk about it's it becomes

1670
01:00:05,005 --> 01:00:07,405
a proxy for a real issue. So it's

1671
01:00:07,565 --> 01:00:09,485
but it's it's like a dog whistle. And

1672
01:00:09,485 --> 01:00:11,005
so it's it's it's a proxy for a

1673
01:00:11,005 --> 01:00:13,644
real issue, which is, you know, migration and

1674
01:00:13,644 --> 01:00:16,684
economics and the depression of middle America and

1675
01:00:16,684 --> 01:00:18,900
what's actually happening. And And so there is

1676
01:00:18,900 --> 01:00:20,980
a part of it that's real even though

1677
01:00:20,980 --> 01:00:22,599
it's factually incorrect.

1678
01:00:23,139 --> 01:00:23,799
And so,

1679
01:00:24,420 --> 01:00:26,019
you know, of course, Kamala Harris is just

1680
01:00:26,019 --> 01:00:28,199
gonna say, oh, you're crazy. That's racist.

1681
01:00:28,659 --> 01:00:31,299
And but she's not gonna address what's actually

1682
01:00:31,299 --> 01:00:32,039
going on.

1683
01:00:32,434 --> 01:00:34,114
You know, the the real thing that it's

1684
01:00:34,114 --> 01:00:36,675
a that it's, you know, a a proxy

1685
01:00:36,675 --> 01:00:37,175
for,

1686
01:00:38,755 --> 01:00:40,994
and, you know, the like, all the media

1687
01:00:40,994 --> 01:00:43,394
that went out to debunk to immediately debunk

1688
01:00:43,394 --> 01:00:43,894
Trump,

1689
01:00:44,514 --> 01:00:46,135
and, you know, and JD Vance.

1690
01:00:46,434 --> 01:00:48,829
You know, the all the mainstream media, these

1691
01:00:48,829 --> 01:00:51,469
are the same media outlets that, like, lie

1692
01:00:51,469 --> 01:00:54,190
us into wars and about Russiagate and every

1693
01:00:54,190 --> 01:00:56,269
other thing all the time. And they don't

1694
01:00:56,349 --> 01:00:58,430
they also don't wanna talk about the actual

1695
01:00:58,430 --> 01:00:58,930
issues,

1696
01:00:59,789 --> 01:01:01,710
you know, of of the of the decline

1697
01:01:01,710 --> 01:01:03,090
of the middle class. So,

1698
01:01:03,924 --> 01:01:06,264
you know, it's to me, it's like

1699
01:01:06,724 --> 01:01:09,525
Trump, the the right wing, basically wants to

1700
01:01:09,525 --> 01:01:11,844
talk about doesn't doesn't wanna talk about the

1701
01:01:11,844 --> 01:01:14,505
root, but does wanna talk about the symptom.

1702
01:01:15,125 --> 01:01:17,204
And the, you know, the liberal class doesn't

1703
01:01:17,204 --> 01:01:19,710
wanna talk about, the root or the symptom,

1704
01:01:19,710 --> 01:01:21,489
but they just want to, you know, portray

1705
01:01:21,550 --> 01:01:24,030
anyone who does get hepped up on this,

1706
01:01:24,030 --> 01:01:25,949
you know, on these lies about the symptoms

1707
01:01:25,949 --> 01:01:28,750
as as a racist. And certainly those those

1708
01:01:28,750 --> 01:01:31,390
memes are like playing on racist tropes and

1709
01:01:31,390 --> 01:01:33,344
there's a long kind of, you know I

1710
01:01:33,425 --> 01:01:34,945
mean, we were talking about before how kind

1711
01:01:34,945 --> 01:01:36,565
of Haiti occupies the

1712
01:01:37,824 --> 01:01:38,324
American

1713
01:01:38,784 --> 01:01:39,284
imagination

1714
01:01:39,664 --> 01:01:41,525
as this, you know, nation of,

1715
01:01:42,144 --> 01:01:45,025
of of savages, and it's just so easy

1716
01:01:45,025 --> 01:01:46,889
to play into that. It's Right. But,

1717
01:01:47,449 --> 01:01:49,309
I don't think it's a it's a winning

1718
01:01:49,529 --> 01:01:50,029
strategy

1719
01:01:50,489 --> 01:01:50,989
overall.

1720
01:01:51,369 --> 01:01:53,289
Again, it's just playing to Trump's base, and

1721
01:01:53,289 --> 01:01:55,389
it's a mostly online phenomenon.

1722
01:01:55,929 --> 01:01:58,429
You know, my unless you're, like, on Twitter,

1723
01:01:59,065 --> 01:02:00,905
are you gonna know what he's talking about

1724
01:02:00,905 --> 01:02:03,065
with, you know, these cats and, you know,

1725
01:02:03,065 --> 01:02:05,304
Haitians eating cats? It's like that doesn't really

1726
01:02:05,304 --> 01:02:07,945
address the material reality that most people are

1727
01:02:07,945 --> 01:02:08,765
living on.

1728
01:02:09,545 --> 01:02:10,905
And, you know, I mean, the thing is

1729
01:02:10,905 --> 01:02:12,364
if there was a real

1730
01:02:13,610 --> 01:02:14,110
nationalist

1731
01:02:14,730 --> 01:02:15,230
movement

1732
01:02:15,610 --> 01:02:18,250
in the United States, like, if if or

1733
01:02:18,250 --> 01:02:20,910
if MAGA wasn't being led by,

1734
01:02:21,369 --> 01:02:21,949
you know,

1735
01:02:22,570 --> 01:02:23,309
con men,

1736
01:02:24,010 --> 01:02:25,949
neo cons and con men, and

1737
01:02:27,025 --> 01:02:28,625
then, you know, they could look at Haiti

1738
01:02:28,625 --> 01:02:30,965
and say, hey. There is a movement,

1739
01:02:31,744 --> 01:02:34,405
there led by this guy, Jimmy Barbecue Charizier,

1740
01:02:34,625 --> 01:02:35,125
who,

1741
01:02:35,585 --> 01:02:37,985
does want to improve his country and reverse

1742
01:02:37,985 --> 01:02:39,605
the migration flow and,

1743
01:02:40,170 --> 01:02:42,030
develop and have mutually beneficial

1744
01:02:42,569 --> 01:02:45,130
relations with the United States. Like but, you

1745
01:02:45,130 --> 01:02:46,269
know, everyone's too

1746
01:02:46,650 --> 01:02:48,489
hepped up on the right is too hepped

1747
01:02:48,489 --> 01:02:49,949
up on all the stupid propaganda,

1748
01:02:51,050 --> 01:02:53,484
because, fundamentally, they're the same as as the

1749
01:02:53,484 --> 01:02:56,204
Liberals. They just wanna control and dominate and

1750
01:02:56,204 --> 01:02:58,684
destroy. So it's just the two wings of

1751
01:02:58,684 --> 01:02:59,505
of the Uniparty.

1752
01:03:00,525 --> 01:03:01,344
But it's

1753
01:03:02,045 --> 01:03:03,105
it's a you know,

1754
01:03:03,724 --> 01:03:05,984
I hope it's a failing strategy, honestly.

1755
01:03:06,605 --> 01:03:08,284
I, you know, I hope Haiti is able

1756
01:03:08,284 --> 01:03:11,069
to to actually you know, this kind of

1757
01:03:11,069 --> 01:03:11,569
revolutionary

1758
01:03:12,269 --> 01:03:14,750
movement that we documented in in in our

1759
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:16,750
film, Another Vision, and then we did, like,

1760
01:03:16,750 --> 01:03:18,929
an update that we released in,

1761
01:03:19,230 --> 01:03:21,489
I think, in April or May called,

1762
01:03:22,275 --> 01:03:25,155
Haiti Interventional Revolution. I hope they succeed, and

1763
01:03:25,155 --> 01:03:26,994
they can actually develop the country. And, you

1764
01:03:26,994 --> 01:03:27,734
know, hopefully,

1765
01:03:28,194 --> 01:03:29,795
enough of us in the United States will

1766
01:03:29,795 --> 01:03:31,315
come to our senses at some point that

1767
01:03:31,315 --> 01:03:32,994
we can, you know, join the rest of

1768
01:03:32,994 --> 01:03:33,574
the world.

1769
01:03:34,299 --> 01:03:36,059
Yeah. I agree. I mean and and your

1770
01:03:36,059 --> 01:03:38,299
point there, you know, it's interesting because it

1771
01:03:38,299 --> 01:03:39,900
highlights the idea of, like, what will work

1772
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:41,500
for the different campaigns, but I still come

1773
01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:42,940
back to the larger point that if my

1774
01:03:42,940 --> 01:03:44,779
mind, it is a uni party. And I

1775
01:03:44,779 --> 01:03:46,380
mean and in my mind, that extends to

1776
01:03:46,380 --> 01:03:48,505
everything, including the supposed election that we're about

1777
01:03:48,505 --> 01:03:50,005
to go into. And so what I see

1778
01:03:50,005 --> 01:03:51,684
this as is what I wrote here in

1779
01:03:51,684 --> 01:03:53,525
regard to what Jimmy Dorr pointed this out

1780
01:03:53,525 --> 01:03:55,364
in regard to something you've commented on, JD

1781
01:03:55,364 --> 01:03:57,684
Vance, and the conversation around this, where he

1782
01:03:57,684 --> 01:03:59,285
simply says the part you're leaving out is

1783
01:03:59,285 --> 01:04:01,125
that those Haitian refugees are created by the

1784
01:04:01,125 --> 01:04:03,840
oligarchs, western economic hitman, and imperialism, which we've

1785
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,599
discussed today. But here's the part that I

1786
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:07,360
think Jimmy left out which is why I

1787
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,760
think this will it's why you're you're saying

1788
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,680
they won't address it or they're both ignoring

1789
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,519
the real point. I think this is why.

1790
01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:15,360
I said, great point, Jimmy, and therein lies

1791
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,675
the 2 party illusion grift. They'll never address

1792
01:04:17,675 --> 01:04:19,594
it since all sides have an interest in

1793
01:04:19,594 --> 01:04:22,315
maintaining the foreign policy and immigration pipeline, which

1794
01:04:22,315 --> 01:04:24,394
we discussed today. They turn us against ourselves,

1795
01:04:24,394 --> 01:04:26,474
which only benefits the power structure and maintains

1796
01:04:26,474 --> 01:04:29,114
the status quo. Now, Kim, Kim felt that

1797
01:04:29,114 --> 01:04:30,735
there wasn't necessarily a

1798
01:04:31,449 --> 01:04:33,610
organized effort to do that, but I think

1799
01:04:33,610 --> 01:04:34,590
it's worth considering

1800
01:04:34,969 --> 01:04:36,489
that this even if it is just a

1801
01:04:36,489 --> 01:04:38,969
byproduct, that it is in fact being indoor

1802
01:04:39,050 --> 01:04:41,210
you know, even allowed and ignored because it

1803
01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:42,969
does have a benefit for both sides of

1804
01:04:42,969 --> 01:04:45,355
the paradigm. Even if there are genuine disagreements

1805
01:04:45,574 --> 01:04:47,655
or differences or fighting, at the end of

1806
01:04:47,655 --> 01:04:49,335
the day, the uni party does have a

1807
01:04:49,335 --> 01:04:51,815
central interest that I think that meets. Do

1808
01:04:51,815 --> 01:04:53,114
you think you agree with that?

1809
01:04:53,494 --> 01:04:55,574
Yeah. Oh, definitely. I think I think, at

1810
01:04:55,574 --> 01:04:57,174
least, we could ask him. But I think

1811
01:04:57,174 --> 01:04:59,989
what Kim thought was not orchestrated is is,

1812
01:04:59,989 --> 01:05:02,469
like, where migrants, you know, land, you know,

1813
01:05:02,469 --> 01:05:04,789
where they which cities they end up in,

1814
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:06,469
that kind of thing. But, definitely, in terms

1815
01:05:06,469 --> 01:05:07,210
of the overall

1816
01:05:07,909 --> 01:05:08,409
strategy,

1817
01:05:09,110 --> 01:05:10,949
I mean, I think it though even, you

1818
01:05:10,949 --> 01:05:13,530
know, at the at that level of where

1819
01:05:13,784 --> 01:05:16,905
where migrants land, I mean, you know, with

1820
01:05:16,905 --> 01:05:18,664
regular people, I think that, you know, they

1821
01:05:18,664 --> 01:05:20,824
land where there's opportunity. And as as Kim

1822
01:05:20,824 --> 01:05:23,224
pointed out, you know, there's there are jobs

1823
01:05:23,224 --> 01:05:25,464
and and prices are are low. So they're

1824
01:05:25,464 --> 01:05:26,340
not gonna, you know,

1825
01:05:27,219 --> 01:05:29,140
be like living in, you know, Marin County

1826
01:05:29,140 --> 01:05:31,460
in California or wherever. Nope. I don't know.

1827
01:05:31,460 --> 01:05:33,140
Who knows? People just show up wherever there's

1828
01:05:33,140 --> 01:05:33,860
work. But,

1829
01:05:34,579 --> 01:05:37,079
I mean, you do have to wonder about

1830
01:05:37,539 --> 01:05:38,280
you know,

1831
01:05:38,675 --> 01:05:40,054
with criminal networks

1832
01:05:40,594 --> 01:05:43,074
I mean, it's no secret that criminal networks

1833
01:05:43,074 --> 01:05:45,394
are tied to intelligence agencies. It's not like

1834
01:05:45,394 --> 01:05:48,034
they're just totally organic. And so say if,

1835
01:05:48,034 --> 01:05:48,775
I don't know,

1836
01:05:49,234 --> 01:05:52,355
there's some desirable piece of land or some

1837
01:05:52,355 --> 01:05:55,090
real estate that BlackRock wanted to buy up.

1838
01:05:55,090 --> 01:05:57,570
Hey. Why not send, you know, some some

1839
01:05:57,570 --> 01:05:58,070
criminal,

1840
01:05:58,530 --> 01:06:01,010
like, networks to go destabilize it and get

1841
01:06:01,010 --> 01:06:02,610
people to move out and wanna, you know,

1842
01:06:02,610 --> 01:06:04,230
sell their sell their property.

1843
01:06:05,170 --> 01:06:06,849
And then, you know, then you can swoop

1844
01:06:06,849 --> 01:06:08,414
in and and buy it all up. I'm

1845
01:06:08,414 --> 01:06:10,515
not saying there's evidence of that, but,

1846
01:06:10,894 --> 01:06:11,394
objectively,

1847
01:06:11,855 --> 01:06:13,235
it plays out that way.

1848
01:06:14,574 --> 01:06:16,974
So, you know, I I think, definitely, there's

1849
01:06:16,974 --> 01:06:19,535
a there's a the the broader strategy is

1850
01:06:19,535 --> 01:06:20,035
totally

1851
01:06:20,579 --> 01:06:21,079
intentional,

1852
01:06:21,460 --> 01:06:22,660
and you certainly have to,

1853
01:06:23,219 --> 01:06:25,059
wonder about it at the at the kind

1854
01:06:25,059 --> 01:06:25,559
of,

1855
01:06:26,180 --> 01:06:27,480
you know, the lower level.

1856
01:06:28,099 --> 01:06:30,019
Right. Well, see, the to me, this overlaps

1857
01:06:30,019 --> 01:06:31,380
with an interesting part of the story, and

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01:06:31,380 --> 01:06:33,219
this goes into why the and the the

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01:06:33,219 --> 01:06:35,059
many reasons you outlined in the and anybody

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01:06:35,059 --> 01:06:37,195
that has, you know, objectivity and willing to

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01:06:37,195 --> 01:06:39,375
do their due diligence that there's, I mean,

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01:06:39,434 --> 01:06:40,815
far, far, far more

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01:06:41,755 --> 01:06:44,635
outright lies and misinformation and old stories being

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01:06:44,635 --> 01:06:46,635
lumped on top of this narrative right now.

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01:06:46,635 --> 01:06:48,234
And but what's interesting to me is it

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turns out this, and this is from the

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the New Republic,

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that the

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before this, before the debate, before the conversation,

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there was a group I'm sure you're familiar

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with called the blood tribe, which I be

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quite honest, my opinion is that it's very

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obviously influenced by whether the FBI or intelligence,

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01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:05,514
same as Patriot Front. That's my opinion. But

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01:07:05,514 --> 01:07:07,195
they ultimately it turns out that they were

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01:07:07,195 --> 01:07:09,914
spreading these these same sentiments going back long

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01:07:09,994 --> 01:07:12,335
well before. This is posted on September 10th,

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01:07:12,394 --> 01:07:13,355
but the point oops.

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01:07:13,835 --> 01:07:15,355
I went too far. There we go. The

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01:07:15,355 --> 01:07:17,355
point is that this actually was stated before

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01:07:17,355 --> 01:07:17,855
that,

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01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:20,000
but this is one of the members of

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01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,639
the blood tribe speaking, guess what, Springfield City

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01:07:22,639 --> 01:07:24,500
commission meeting, which is exactly

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01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,480
the same as the one that went viral.

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01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:27,920
Not the same guy. I I don't even

1887
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:29,920
think it's connected. But here's a guy speaking

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01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,264
at that exact same thing right before this

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01:07:32,264 --> 01:07:33,944
saying about the ducks and so on. And

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01:07:33,944 --> 01:07:35,704
so I find it fascinating that this you

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01:07:35,704 --> 01:07:38,585
could argue this effect effectively started before all

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of that coming from some of these, what

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01:07:40,585 --> 01:07:42,824
they're calling, neo Nazi groups, which clearly they

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01:07:42,824 --> 01:07:44,505
are, but whether that's really the origin of

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01:07:44,505 --> 01:07:46,450
it, I just thought that was fascinating. You

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want you wanna comment on that? Yeah. Yeah.

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01:07:48,450 --> 01:07:49,650
No. You you hit it on the head.

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01:07:49,650 --> 01:07:51,570
That's that's exactly it. You have to wonder

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how much of this

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is actually just totally coordinated

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01:07:55,410 --> 01:07:57,255
and and and planned out.

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01:07:57,815 --> 01:07:59,414
And, yeah, I mean, so many of these

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white supremacist groups are actually just controlled by

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01:08:02,054 --> 01:08:04,154
feds and are just useful idiots,

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01:08:04,855 --> 01:08:07,174
and and do the bidding of of, you

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01:08:07,174 --> 01:08:09,574
know, of the Uni Party. So that's exactly

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01:08:09,574 --> 01:08:11,094
it. Like, I I had seen that video.

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01:08:11,094 --> 01:08:12,775
I haven't actually watched it. It was just

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like, oh, of course, you know? So, I

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01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:16,930
mean, it's it's just

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01:08:17,470 --> 01:08:17,970
infuriating,

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like like you said before how

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banal this all gets and and how manipulative

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01:08:24,029 --> 01:08:24,989
and and,

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I don't know. I I just

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01:08:28,484 --> 01:08:29,304
just like

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I I I kind of hate Twitter now.

1918
01:08:32,404 --> 01:08:33,944
I mean, it's it's like I almost

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01:08:34,404 --> 01:08:37,444
I almost prefer the old censorship regime, the

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01:08:37,444 --> 01:08:40,244
more liberal censor censorship regime because it was,

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01:08:40,244 --> 01:08:42,569
like, more in your face, and now it's

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01:08:42,569 --> 01:08:44,969
just like me cat memes and guys, like,

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01:08:44,969 --> 01:08:46,510
thanking Trump for restore

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01:08:46,889 --> 01:08:50,090
thanking Elon Musk for restoring free speech. And

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01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:52,170
it's just like, this is this is even

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though

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yeah. While censoring and Elon Musk is like

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is like,

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01:08:57,574 --> 01:08:59,814
oh, there's freedom of speech, but not freedom

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01:08:59,814 --> 01:09:02,375
of reach. So it's like, okay. So if

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01:09:02,375 --> 01:09:04,135
they don't like what you say, then you're

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01:09:04,135 --> 01:09:06,135
just gonna be shadow banned. So it's like

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01:09:06,135 --> 01:09:08,395
a a more insidious form of censorship.

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01:09:09,869 --> 01:09:11,949
And, you know, and it's really it's really

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01:09:11,949 --> 01:09:14,689
sophisticated. I mean, I think, you know,

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like, you have to look at accounts even

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01:09:17,869 --> 01:09:20,029
I I think there's also continuity between the

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01:09:20,029 --> 01:09:21,789
old Twitter regime. I mean, this is not

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01:09:21,789 --> 01:09:23,469
directly related to the Haiti thing, but I

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01:09:23,469 --> 01:09:24,529
think it's worth considering

1941
01:09:25,024 --> 01:09:26,965
When we look at just these information operations,

1942
01:09:27,104 --> 01:09:29,744
there's continuity between, of course, the old Twitter

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01:09:29,744 --> 01:09:32,244
regime and the current Twitter regime where

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01:09:32,545 --> 01:09:33,925
accounts that were

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01:09:34,944 --> 01:09:35,444
banned,

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01:09:35,984 --> 01:09:38,389
are back. But how many of those accounts

1947
01:09:38,389 --> 01:09:40,310
were banned in order to kind of give

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01:09:40,310 --> 01:09:41,130
them credibility,

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01:09:41,989 --> 01:09:43,829
so when they come back, oh, the narrative

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01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:45,529
they're promoting must be subversive.

1951
01:09:47,429 --> 01:09:49,270
What's I'm trying to think of his name

1952
01:09:49,270 --> 01:09:51,585
in Germany, the guy, who wrote,

1953
01:09:52,145 --> 01:09:54,085
like, the new normal and is being prosecuted

1954
01:09:54,145 --> 01:09:55,284
by the German courts.

1955
01:09:56,944 --> 01:09:58,225
It's killing me. I can't think of his

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01:09:58,225 --> 01:09:59,585
name, but, you know, he made that point.

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01:09:59,585 --> 01:10:01,444
If you ever saw the movie, The Departed,

1958
01:10:01,984 --> 01:10:02,484
where,

1959
01:10:03,344 --> 01:10:04,725
and Leonardo Dicaprio

1960
01:10:05,104 --> 01:10:07,569
is a what? He's a cop, and they

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01:10:07,569 --> 01:10:08,710
send him to jail,

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01:10:09,409 --> 01:10:11,649
for a while to basically, you know, give

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01:10:11,649 --> 01:10:13,969
him credibility as a criminal so he can

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01:10:13,969 --> 01:10:15,729
infiltrate. And it and it's that kind of

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01:10:15,729 --> 01:10:18,689
thing. Like, it's not that sophisticated, but I

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01:10:18,689 --> 01:10:20,609
think people, you know, often kind of take

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01:10:20,609 --> 01:10:22,689
it for granted. So I think the kind

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01:10:22,689 --> 01:10:23,055
of

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the disinformation

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01:10:25,775 --> 01:10:28,595
operations and the kind of social media,

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01:10:29,695 --> 01:10:30,755
control apparatus

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01:10:31,215 --> 01:10:33,155
has become more sophisticated,

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01:10:34,175 --> 01:10:36,914
and and it rebranded very well under,

1974
01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:40,500
under Elon Musk. And so, you know, you

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01:10:40,579 --> 01:10:42,659
but but I think it becomes so clear

1976
01:10:42,659 --> 01:10:45,140
how coordinated so much of it is. For

1977
01:10:45,140 --> 01:10:46,520
one thing, when you see,

1978
01:10:47,060 --> 01:10:50,820
these, you know, Haitian cat memes, how obvious

1979
01:10:50,820 --> 01:10:52,840
that is that it's, you know, just to

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01:10:53,275 --> 01:10:54,095
support Trump.

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01:10:55,435 --> 01:10:56,795
And then the other thing that I look

1982
01:10:56,795 --> 01:10:58,395
at all the time is, like, I don't

1983
01:10:58,395 --> 01:11:00,715
know if it's just, you know, the algorithm

1984
01:11:00,715 --> 01:11:03,034
that's pumped into my feed, but I see

1985
01:11:03,034 --> 01:11:05,435
so much, like, just Jew hatred all the

1986
01:11:05,435 --> 01:11:07,195
time. Jews this. It's the Jews. It's the

1987
01:11:07,195 --> 01:11:10,199
Jews. Mhmm. Since October 7th, since, you know,

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01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:12,920
this genocide kicked off. And I mean the

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01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,159
main thing for me is, well, you know,

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01:11:15,159 --> 01:11:17,479
this is a product of Zionism. Like these

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01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,559
things, you know, like some guy blaming Jews

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01:11:19,559 --> 01:11:21,719
would just be some, like, whack job in

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01:11:21,719 --> 01:11:23,744
the corner if it wasn't for the quote

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01:11:23,744 --> 01:11:26,324
unquote Jewish state doing all of these things

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01:11:26,465 --> 01:11:28,244
in the name of Jews.

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01:11:28,704 --> 01:11:30,945
And so then it gains traction. But when

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01:11:30,945 --> 01:11:33,185
I think of, like, okay, you know, someone

1998
01:11:33,185 --> 01:11:35,265
says it's the Jews, whatever, and they get,

1999
01:11:35,265 --> 01:11:36,560
like, 5 or 10000

2000
01:11:37,020 --> 01:11:40,060
retweets and 70,000 likes or whatever. I'm like,

2001
01:11:40,060 --> 01:11:40,800
wait a minute.

2002
01:11:41,340 --> 01:11:43,359
But Elon Musk said,

2003
01:11:44,780 --> 01:11:47,280
that, you know, if they don't like it,

2004
01:11:47,500 --> 01:11:49,659
then he's gonna he's gonna soft censor it.

2005
01:11:49,659 --> 01:11:51,795
It's right you don't have freedom of reach.

2006
01:11:51,935 --> 01:11:54,414
So that's intentional that stuff like that is

2007
01:11:54,414 --> 01:11:57,135
being given freedom of reach. That it's that

2008
01:11:57,135 --> 01:11:59,454
it's not being suppressed. In fact, it's being

2009
01:11:59,454 --> 01:11:59,954
promoted,

2010
01:12:00,975 --> 01:12:04,270
and it's basically to support the whole notion,

2011
01:12:04,649 --> 01:12:06,029
the Zionist notion,

2012
01:12:06,409 --> 01:12:09,609
that Jews equal Israel. And so as long

2013
01:12:09,609 --> 01:12:12,029
as you're staying within this paradigm of,

2014
01:12:12,890 --> 01:12:15,130
you know, whether you believe one way that

2015
01:12:15,130 --> 01:12:16,969
it's that it's good or bad, like if

2016
01:12:16,969 --> 01:12:19,215
you're a Zionist and you believe, oh, this

2017
01:12:19,215 --> 01:12:20,574
is the Jewish state and we have to

2018
01:12:20,574 --> 01:12:22,814
kill all those Palestinians and everything they're doing

2019
01:12:22,814 --> 01:12:25,295
blowing up, you know, cell phones in Lebanon,

2020
01:12:25,295 --> 01:12:27,854
that's good. Then you're fine. And if you

2021
01:12:27,854 --> 01:12:30,414
believe that the Jews are Israel, then you're

2022
01:12:30,414 --> 01:12:32,734
fine because you're not questioning you're not gonna

2023
01:12:32,734 --> 01:12:34,689
get censored on Twitter. Or if you do,

2024
01:12:34,689 --> 01:12:36,369
it will be like, you know, Lucas Gauge

2025
01:12:36,369 --> 01:12:39,090
who was, like, censored. He was he was

2026
01:12:39,090 --> 01:12:42,289
suspended for, like, 3 weeks and then brought

2027
01:12:42,289 --> 01:12:45,030
back. And it's like, I've never seen anyone

2028
01:12:45,729 --> 01:12:46,229
temporarily

2029
01:12:46,689 --> 01:12:47,989
have their account suspended.

2030
01:12:49,645 --> 01:12:51,904
You know, where where they announce that, like,

2031
01:12:52,204 --> 01:12:53,024
you're suspended

2032
01:12:53,404 --> 01:12:55,725
for, you know, 3 weeks or 6 weeks

2033
01:12:55,725 --> 01:12:57,324
or 6 months or whatever. It's like, if

2034
01:12:57,324 --> 01:12:59,324
you're suspended, you're suspended. That's what I've always

2035
01:12:59,324 --> 01:13:02,465
seen. I've never seen other anyone other than

2036
01:13:02,685 --> 01:13:03,904
outright Neo Nazis,

2037
01:13:05,310 --> 01:13:07,250
have that where they're temporarily

2038
01:13:08,029 --> 01:13:10,909
suspended. And that's the Leonardo DiCaprio thing where,

2039
01:13:10,909 --> 01:13:12,449
you know, to establish credibility

2040
01:13:12,909 --> 01:13:13,729
when really,

2041
01:13:14,510 --> 01:13:17,010
you know, what they're doing is supporting Zionism.

2042
01:13:17,229 --> 01:13:19,149
So totally kind of off track, but this

2043
01:13:19,149 --> 01:13:21,054
is the bigger picture, I think. No. It's

2044
01:13:21,054 --> 01:13:22,494
it's since you bring it up, it's it's

2045
01:13:22,494 --> 01:13:23,934
fascinating. And I I agree. I think it's

2046
01:13:23,934 --> 01:13:26,335
very deliberate. Now I'm I'm I'm very much

2047
01:13:26,335 --> 01:13:28,175
with you on the reality of Zionism and

2048
01:13:28,175 --> 01:13:30,014
how it uses Judaism and the point being

2049
01:13:30,014 --> 01:13:31,694
that to your to your excellent point there

2050
01:13:31,694 --> 01:13:33,054
is I didn't even thought about the idea

2051
01:13:33,054 --> 01:13:33,954
that, essentially,

2052
01:13:34,340 --> 01:13:36,099
by the statement that freedom of reach not

2053
01:13:36,260 --> 01:13:37,859
or speech not reach, the idea is that

2054
01:13:37,859 --> 01:13:39,539
you're saying that then that must mean that

2055
01:13:39,539 --> 01:13:41,139
they're, you know, allowing this to get the

2056
01:13:41,139 --> 01:13:42,979
reach that it would or or or boosting

2057
01:13:42,979 --> 01:13:45,380
it. And so that's support. But, also, that

2058
01:13:45,380 --> 01:13:47,619
Yacarino and Elon have said that they're working

2059
01:13:47,619 --> 01:13:49,704
with the ADL, that they're going to remove

2060
01:13:49,704 --> 01:13:51,145
thing. And so, yeah, how does that make

2061
01:13:51,145 --> 01:13:52,744
sense? And I think you know exactly where

2062
01:13:52,744 --> 01:13:54,104
this is going is that it makes sense

2063
01:13:54,104 --> 01:13:56,744
because that's exactly that is Zionism and how

2064
01:13:56,744 --> 01:13:59,064
it works. The creation of that and I

2065
01:13:59,064 --> 01:14:00,824
would say not just hyping what you pointed

2066
01:14:00,824 --> 01:14:01,725
out, but also

2067
01:14:03,359 --> 01:14:04,960
making it look as if the problem of

2068
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,800
anti semitism is much larger than it actually

2069
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,119
is, which is how they maintain their presence.

2070
01:14:09,119 --> 01:14:10,800
And, obviously, there is racism. And that's to

2071
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,319
put your point. If it wasn't for the

2072
01:14:12,319 --> 01:14:13,840
way they were using this, I agree. It

2073
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,034
would be regarded as it would in any

2074
01:14:16,034 --> 01:14:17,954
normal society. You're a gross person. You can

2075
01:14:17,954 --> 01:14:19,234
say whatever you want over there. You know?

2076
01:14:19,234 --> 01:14:21,015
And it's it's interesting that that is,

2077
01:14:21,395 --> 01:14:22,755
you know, I think that's a huge part

2078
01:14:22,755 --> 01:14:23,715
of it. And to bring it back to

2079
01:14:23,715 --> 01:14:25,814
what we're saying today, we saw with Venezuela,

2080
01:14:26,515 --> 01:14:28,034
with with Musk and you know, like, look.

2081
01:14:28,034 --> 01:14:30,000
Free speech is I will always draw

2082
01:14:30,300 --> 01:14:32,159
that line. Whether it's Musk or, you know,

2083
01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:35,020
an oligarch or a millionaire a billionaire military

2084
01:14:35,020 --> 01:14:36,619
contractor, you have a right to free speech.

2085
01:14:36,619 --> 01:14:38,220
But the moment that it crossed the line

2086
01:14:38,220 --> 01:14:40,939
where he is a government contractor, he's about

2087
01:14:40,939 --> 01:14:41,920
to be on a cabinet

2088
01:14:42,385 --> 01:14:43,444
for the presidency.

2089
01:14:43,824 --> 01:14:45,344
So what at what point, and maybe even

2090
01:14:45,344 --> 01:14:46,944
right now, does that become a state action?

2091
01:14:46,944 --> 01:14:48,545
Does that change the dynamic of what he's

2092
01:14:48,545 --> 01:14:50,225
doing? And I think we all kinda sense

2093
01:14:50,225 --> 01:14:52,625
and see his interest, maybe lithium. I don't

2094
01:14:52,625 --> 01:14:54,164
know. But clearly an interest in

2095
01:14:54,590 --> 01:14:56,189
acting against Maduro when all of a sudden

2096
01:14:56,350 --> 01:14:57,470
you know, you look back at his history

2097
01:14:57,470 --> 01:14:59,229
on his on his account, there was no

2098
01:14:59,229 --> 01:15:01,310
engagement of Venezuela and just on a dime.

2099
01:15:01,310 --> 01:15:03,149
He's just all about it. And so this

2100
01:15:03,149 --> 01:15:04,670
brings back the, you know, the memes and

2101
01:15:04,670 --> 01:15:07,170
the cat all of this stuff. I definitely,

2102
01:15:07,310 --> 01:15:09,614
my personal opinion, see a in a coordinated

2103
01:15:09,675 --> 01:15:11,354
effort here. And that, you know, and this

2104
01:15:11,354 --> 01:15:12,954
goes back to a lot of these conversations,

2105
01:15:12,954 --> 01:15:14,475
and I personally even take it one step

2106
01:15:14,475 --> 01:15:16,234
further back, see this as sort of this

2107
01:15:16,234 --> 01:15:17,835
technocratic push and we don't have to get

2108
01:15:17,835 --> 01:15:18,954
into this if you don't like, but the

2109
01:15:18,954 --> 01:15:20,975
idea of, like, the the the different

2110
01:15:21,739 --> 01:15:23,659
dynamics of governance around the world. And I

2111
01:15:23,659 --> 01:15:25,579
go back to Honduras and Prospera or as

2112
01:15:25,579 --> 01:15:27,520
you highlighted with these kind of new

2113
01:15:27,899 --> 01:15:29,739
the new structures they're using to sort of

2114
01:15:29,739 --> 01:15:31,500
take control. Maybe these are all trial balloons,

2115
01:15:31,500 --> 01:15:33,020
you know, and different ways to test these

2116
01:15:33,020 --> 01:15:34,699
things out. It's it's quite alarming to me.

2117
01:15:34,699 --> 01:15:36,284
So you can comment then if you'd like.

2118
01:15:36,364 --> 01:15:37,725
I'd like to end with the idea of,

2119
01:15:37,725 --> 01:15:39,725
you know, the Jimmy barbecue aspect of this

2120
01:15:39,725 --> 01:15:42,125
and how, you know, the really just the

2121
01:15:42,125 --> 01:15:44,204
overarching idea, and I'll bring up these tweets

2122
01:15:44,204 --> 01:15:45,965
about, you know, why they're you know, where

2123
01:15:46,045 --> 01:15:47,645
why did this begin in your mind right

2124
01:15:47,645 --> 01:15:49,085
here at this point? Why was this sudden

2125
01:15:49,085 --> 01:15:50,630
point, you know, Alex Jones, the rest of

2126
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:52,310
them, and the voodoo, and the eating animals,

2127
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:54,469
and he's a cannibal? Like, why was that

2128
01:15:54,469 --> 01:15:56,310
plucked out? Is that just because of Haiti

2129
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:57,750
in the past there? And, you know, your

2130
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:58,649
thoughts on that.

2131
01:15:59,270 --> 01:16:01,590
Yeah. Yeah. I think you're you're absolutely right.

2132
01:16:01,590 --> 01:16:03,750
All of these are, you know, different trials.

2133
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:04,095
It's,

2134
01:16:04,655 --> 01:16:06,914
you know, different testing grounds. I mean,

2135
01:16:07,614 --> 01:16:08,914
you know,

2136
01:16:09,695 --> 01:16:11,375
like, there are a lot of different places

2137
01:16:11,375 --> 01:16:13,475
that have been kind of described as laboratories,

2138
01:16:14,335 --> 01:16:17,055
for you know, Gaza is a laboratory for

2139
01:16:17,055 --> 01:16:18,114
Israeli weapons,

2140
01:16:18,890 --> 01:16:21,770
where the West Bank is a laboratory for

2141
01:16:21,770 --> 01:16:22,909
Israeli repression,

2142
01:16:23,449 --> 01:16:25,850
and then that's that's exported around. You know,

2143
01:16:25,850 --> 01:16:27,930
Haiti is always kind of because of its

2144
01:16:27,930 --> 01:16:30,189
vanguard role, is always, a laboratory

2145
01:16:30,489 --> 01:16:31,949
for, you know, imperial

2146
01:16:32,935 --> 01:16:35,994
shenanigans. Even, you know, I think Greg Grandin

2147
01:16:36,054 --> 01:16:38,054
wrote a book called The Empire's Workshop and,

2148
01:16:38,054 --> 01:16:40,454
you know, about Latin America. So it's, you

2149
01:16:40,454 --> 01:16:42,875
know, everywhere is basically a laboratory.

2150
01:16:43,574 --> 01:16:45,895
And, you know, depending on the specific and

2151
01:16:45,895 --> 01:16:47,279
unique countries of

2152
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,460
or conditions of different countries,

2153
01:16:50,319 --> 01:16:52,399
they'll try something else. So definitely, you know,

2154
01:16:52,399 --> 01:16:54,179
what you're talking about. Yeah. This,

2155
01:16:54,639 --> 01:16:56,639
Prospera thing in Honduras, which I I mean,

2156
01:16:56,639 --> 01:16:58,479
I've only looked into a little bit, but,

2157
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:00,179
it sounds wild.

2158
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:02,899
I mean, I think,

2159
01:17:03,235 --> 01:17:05,795
you know, I think actually that the thing

2160
01:17:05,795 --> 01:17:06,295
that

2161
01:17:06,914 --> 01:17:09,175
if we weren't so focused on

2162
01:17:11,074 --> 01:17:12,695
these stupid cat stories,

2163
01:17:13,715 --> 01:17:16,195
there's a bigger picture that I think looking

2164
01:17:16,195 --> 01:17:17,175
at at Haiti,

2165
01:17:19,140 --> 01:17:21,219
you know, Haiti again, Haiti is always at

2166
01:17:21,219 --> 01:17:23,779
the vanguard. It's always the forefront of, like,

2167
01:17:23,779 --> 01:17:26,020
what's coming whether, you know, Kim was describing

2168
01:17:26,020 --> 01:17:28,039
that with the Haitian Revolution of 1804,

2169
01:17:29,060 --> 01:17:31,219
with the the pink tide, you know, that

2170
01:17:31,219 --> 01:17:32,024
was the first

2171
01:17:32,585 --> 01:17:35,085
left wing leader elected in Latin America,

2172
01:17:36,904 --> 01:17:39,625
before Chavez or Morales or or, you know,

2173
01:17:39,625 --> 01:17:40,685
any of those guys.

2174
01:17:41,704 --> 01:17:42,204
And

2175
01:17:42,664 --> 01:17:44,984
like when you go to Haiti, you basically

2176
01:17:44,984 --> 01:17:47,725
see that there is no middle class.

2177
01:17:48,819 --> 01:17:51,159
The vast majority live in extreme poverty.

2178
01:17:51,779 --> 01:17:52,520
A tiny

2179
01:17:53,140 --> 01:17:55,719
few live in opulent wealth

2180
01:17:56,100 --> 01:17:58,659
where I mean, it was shocking for me

2181
01:17:58,659 --> 01:17:59,960
to go up into the hills,

2182
01:18:00,500 --> 01:18:01,800
above Port au Prince,

2183
01:18:02,375 --> 01:18:04,935
into Petionville, it's called, and areas around there

2184
01:18:04,935 --> 01:18:07,335
where I mean, it's like Beverly Hills style

2185
01:18:07,335 --> 01:18:07,835
mansions,

2186
01:18:08,694 --> 01:18:11,094
with, you know, we took I I showed

2187
01:18:11,094 --> 01:18:13,034
this in a piece I did for redacted,

2188
01:18:13,734 --> 01:18:15,034
but I took my drone

2189
01:18:15,369 --> 01:18:17,289
and just flew it around and, you you

2190
01:18:17,289 --> 01:18:20,829
know, these huge rolling hills with massive mansions

2191
01:18:20,890 --> 01:18:24,170
and swimming pools and helicopter pads, and I

2192
01:18:24,170 --> 01:18:26,109
was just, like, shocked. And then,

2193
01:18:27,369 --> 01:18:28,670
you know, the the slums

2194
01:18:29,295 --> 01:18:29,795
on,

2195
01:18:30,494 --> 01:18:33,475
lower down are basically just living in

2196
01:18:34,335 --> 01:18:35,314
varying degrees,

2197
01:18:36,335 --> 01:18:37,875
of poverty and literal

2198
01:18:38,255 --> 01:18:41,614
filth and excrement because the the sewage there's

2199
01:18:41,614 --> 01:18:42,114
the

2200
01:18:42,770 --> 01:18:46,069
the canals where, like, sewage and trash drain

2201
01:18:46,289 --> 01:18:48,289
just go down. And and the further you

2202
01:18:48,289 --> 01:18:50,770
are down, and basically the lower the lower

2203
01:18:50,770 --> 01:18:52,310
your your socioeconomic

2204
01:18:52,930 --> 01:18:53,430
classes,

2205
01:18:53,810 --> 01:18:57,175
the more garbage and excrement pile up. And

2206
01:18:57,175 --> 01:18:58,875
the government, because it basically

2207
01:18:59,335 --> 01:19:01,515
doesn't exist, thanks to the US,

2208
01:19:02,614 --> 01:19:05,175
doesn't dredge these canals anymore. So, like, in

2209
01:19:05,175 --> 01:19:07,574
an area like Cite Soleil, which, you know,

2210
01:19:07,574 --> 01:19:08,314
I saw,

2211
01:19:09,699 --> 01:19:11,559
these, like, white supremacist accounts

2212
01:19:12,179 --> 01:19:14,739
claiming this is a Haitian village. This is

2213
01:19:14,739 --> 01:19:17,000
what Haitians do. They just live in garbage.

2214
01:19:17,059 --> 01:19:18,359
And it's a total dystopian,

2215
01:19:19,300 --> 01:19:19,960
you know,

2216
01:19:21,539 --> 01:19:24,099
landscape where it's just literally garbage everywhere in

2217
01:19:24,099 --> 01:19:26,925
tin shacks. Well, that's what has been created.

2218
01:19:27,305 --> 01:19:29,704
And that's what they what I see is

2219
01:19:29,704 --> 01:19:31,625
that's what they want to do in the

2220
01:19:31,625 --> 01:19:33,305
United States. That's what they want to do

2221
01:19:33,305 --> 01:19:34,525
to us. They want to just

2222
01:19:34,985 --> 01:19:36,604
extract all the wealth,

2223
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,619
have people live in the worst conditions possible

2224
01:19:41,079 --> 01:19:43,659
where they, you know, have low life expectancy,

2225
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,619
where they'll work at best, you know, in

2226
01:19:46,679 --> 01:19:47,000
in,

2227
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:48,060
sweatshop,

2228
01:19:49,319 --> 01:19:50,219
labor conditions

2229
01:19:50,824 --> 01:19:52,904
where they'll get into some of them will

2230
01:19:52,904 --> 01:19:54,284
get into criminal activity,

2231
01:19:54,984 --> 01:19:57,484
to basically keep each other down and fight.

2232
01:19:57,545 --> 01:19:59,145
I mean, that's what that's that's not a

2233
01:19:59,145 --> 01:20:00,824
unique thing to Haiti. This is a thing.

2234
01:20:00,824 --> 01:20:02,425
All these people who are saying, oh, it's

2235
01:20:02,425 --> 01:20:04,925
because Haitians, their IQ is 67.

2236
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,199
It's like, no. You are carrying water for

2237
01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:10,699
the Clinton Foundation that you claim to oppose.

2238
01:20:11,159 --> 01:20:13,320
This is because of the conditions that Haiti

2239
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,199
has been subjected to by the same ruling

2240
01:20:16,199 --> 01:20:19,000
class that is destroying our country. So,

2241
01:20:20,074 --> 01:20:22,574
you know, you're just their little tool. So

2242
01:20:22,795 --> 01:20:24,735
the the real thing to do is understand

2243
01:20:25,114 --> 01:20:27,595
what's actually how Haiti got to that point

2244
01:20:27,595 --> 01:20:28,975
and how similar processes

2245
01:20:29,354 --> 01:20:31,914
are playing out here and to look at,

2246
01:20:31,914 --> 01:20:32,414
well,

2247
01:20:33,139 --> 01:20:34,599
okay. How did Haiti,

2248
01:20:35,380 --> 01:20:36,279
how is Haiti

2249
01:20:36,819 --> 01:20:39,479
removing itself from this position, improving its conditions?

2250
01:20:39,779 --> 01:20:41,380
And one of the ways is this guy,

2251
01:20:41,380 --> 01:20:44,819
Jimmy Barbecue Cherizier, who was smeared on x

2252
01:20:44,819 --> 01:20:46,819
earlier this year as a cannibal even though

2253
01:20:46,819 --> 01:20:48,104
that was totally false.

2254
01:20:49,545 --> 01:20:52,505
And, you know, really, he's a guy who's

2255
01:20:52,664 --> 01:20:54,265
it's you know, there's been, like, so many

2256
01:20:54,265 --> 01:20:56,664
movies in the US about, like, a cop,

2257
01:20:56,664 --> 01:20:59,305
you know, a do gooder cop who's trying

2258
01:20:59,305 --> 01:21:01,385
to, you know, do good within the system,

2259
01:21:01,385 --> 01:21:02,765
and then he gets burned.

2260
01:21:03,899 --> 01:21:06,140
And so that's who Cheri Zier is. There's

2261
01:21:06,140 --> 01:21:08,460
like the movie Serpico from, like, the seventies,

2262
01:21:08,460 --> 01:21:10,859
I think. There's, you know, like I don't

2263
01:21:10,859 --> 01:21:12,460
know. Kim I was talking to Kim about

2264
01:21:12,460 --> 01:21:13,659
it a couple days ago. He's like it's

2265
01:21:13,659 --> 01:21:15,279
like the Wild West in Haiti.

2266
01:21:15,579 --> 01:21:16,719
The the demarcations

2267
01:21:17,260 --> 01:21:17,760
between,

2268
01:21:18,185 --> 01:21:20,505
you know, state and non state are not

2269
01:21:20,505 --> 01:21:22,345
totally clear who the good guys are, who

2270
01:21:22,345 --> 01:21:23,864
the bad guys are. So you can have,

2271
01:21:23,864 --> 01:21:26,364
you know, so called gangs or, you know,

2272
01:21:26,425 --> 01:21:28,845
non state armed groups that are,

2273
01:21:29,944 --> 01:21:31,625
that are popular, that are doing good things

2274
01:21:31,625 --> 01:21:33,430
for the people. And that's what Chervisier and

2275
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:35,689
you can have corrupt police. And that's what

2276
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:36,250
Chervisier,

2277
01:21:36,789 --> 01:21:39,350
you know, he was in the corrupt police

2278
01:21:39,350 --> 01:21:41,189
trying to do his best, and they burned

2279
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:42,329
him, and he became

2280
01:21:42,710 --> 01:21:44,170
a basically, a revolutionary.

2281
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:47,109
And so he's trying to unite these different

2282
01:21:47,109 --> 01:21:47,609
neighborhoods

2283
01:21:48,064 --> 01:21:49,764
to have a revolution against

2284
01:21:50,145 --> 01:21:52,085
these criminal, you

2285
01:21:52,465 --> 01:21:55,045
know, criminals in in suits and ties,

2286
01:21:55,585 --> 01:21:57,824
and that's why he's being demonized. That's why,

2287
01:21:57,824 --> 01:22:00,304
you know, he's on Twitter. They call him

2288
01:22:00,304 --> 01:22:02,225
a cannibal and and all of these things.

2289
01:22:02,225 --> 01:22:02,725
So

2290
01:22:03,930 --> 01:22:04,909
it's it's,

2291
01:22:05,289 --> 01:22:08,569
you know, a very interesting process that's playing

2292
01:22:08,569 --> 01:22:11,390
out, and I wish I really wish more

2293
01:22:11,609 --> 01:22:14,409
independent journalists would go would go check it

2294
01:22:14,409 --> 01:22:15,229
out, honestly.

2295
01:22:15,609 --> 01:22:17,210
I mean, I've been really privileged to do

2296
01:22:17,210 --> 01:22:18,350
it since 2021

2297
01:22:18,729 --> 01:22:20,985
when I, after the president of Haiti was

2298
01:22:20,985 --> 01:22:23,784
assassinated, Jovenel Moise, and I I called Kim

2299
01:22:23,784 --> 01:22:25,784
who I knew before, but and we we

2300
01:22:25,784 --> 01:22:27,625
headed down there not long after, and that

2301
01:22:27,625 --> 01:22:30,585
turned into this documentary, which I I didn't,

2302
01:22:30,585 --> 01:22:31,965
you know, plan. And,

2303
01:22:33,050 --> 01:22:35,369
but, you know, there's they're very, very, very

2304
01:22:36,010 --> 01:22:38,270
there are really no other journalists I know

2305
01:22:38,489 --> 01:22:40,170
who go down there to, like, see what's

2306
01:22:40,170 --> 01:22:40,909
going on.

2307
01:22:41,930 --> 01:22:44,029
And and I really encourage it. So,

2308
01:22:44,409 --> 01:22:46,270
you know, it's it's so eye opening,

2309
01:22:47,130 --> 01:22:49,645
and and, you know, Haiti I mean, it's

2310
01:22:49,645 --> 01:22:51,805
it's really it's an amazing country too. It's

2311
01:22:51,805 --> 01:22:54,625
not you know, despite what the pictures on

2312
01:22:54,685 --> 01:22:55,185
Twitter,

2313
01:22:56,204 --> 01:22:57,104
show, it's,

2314
01:22:57,885 --> 01:22:59,965
it's a it's a fascinating place and deserves

2315
01:22:59,965 --> 01:23:00,945
a lot more attention.

2316
01:23:01,460 --> 01:23:03,300
Yeah. And, you know, who who knows what

2317
01:23:03,300 --> 01:23:04,820
it could actually be if it wasn't being

2318
01:23:04,820 --> 01:23:06,820
stepped on for so long by by Western

2319
01:23:06,820 --> 01:23:08,659
foreign policy. You know? And so that's actually

2320
01:23:08,659 --> 01:23:09,780
why I wanted to bring this up to

2321
01:23:09,780 --> 01:23:11,619
end is that it brings it full circle.

2322
01:23:11,619 --> 01:23:13,619
Right? Is that as Kim was describing in

2323
01:23:13,619 --> 01:23:15,699
the beginning or, you know, of the discussion

2324
01:23:15,699 --> 01:23:17,805
we're having, that now we see Jimmy and

2325
01:23:17,805 --> 01:23:20,204
others beginning to I think and I think

2326
01:23:20,204 --> 01:23:21,565
a lot of countries in the world that

2327
01:23:21,565 --> 01:23:23,725
are under, you know, western suppression and foreign

2328
01:23:23,725 --> 01:23:25,725
policy are are seeing this opening as well.

2329
01:23:25,725 --> 01:23:28,204
Whether it's because of Zionism's collapse or other

2330
01:23:28,204 --> 01:23:31,029
diminishing power structure and influence, There's other places

2331
01:23:31,029 --> 01:23:32,149
that are going, okay. You know, we have

2332
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:33,829
an opening here to actually fight for our

2333
01:23:33,829 --> 01:23:35,270
interests and I think that's what we're seeing

2334
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:37,109
in Haiti. I think that's why this is

2335
01:23:37,109 --> 01:23:38,569
being kicked off, the cannibal.

2336
01:23:39,109 --> 01:23:40,969
It's just it's just lazy dehumanization.

2337
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:42,710
Right? I mean, as well as many other

2338
01:23:42,710 --> 01:23:44,469
things I'm sure we could point out. But

2339
01:23:44,469 --> 01:23:46,765
I I think this is the, you know,

2340
01:23:46,765 --> 01:23:49,244
the dying gas, the desperation, the cornered animal,

2341
01:23:49,244 --> 01:23:51,005
whatever analogy we wanna use here where we

2342
01:23:51,005 --> 01:23:51,824
see the western

2343
01:23:52,204 --> 01:23:55,324
specifically US government foreign policy losing its influence

2344
01:23:55,324 --> 01:23:57,805
and desperately trying to maintain that power as

2345
01:23:57,805 --> 01:24:00,250
others begin to recognize an opening to, you

2346
01:24:00,250 --> 01:24:02,569
know, fight for their own determination. Gaza, whatever

2347
01:24:02,569 --> 01:24:04,170
else we're talking about here, you know? And

2348
01:24:04,170 --> 01:24:05,929
so, it's important that I think that people

2349
01:24:05,929 --> 01:24:07,529
take what you're saying to heart and consider

2350
01:24:07,529 --> 01:24:08,649
this. And as you said, you know, yeah,

2351
01:24:08,649 --> 01:24:10,170
if you're a journalist, maybe go look at

2352
01:24:10,170 --> 01:24:12,329
it for yourself instead of parroting images from

2353
01:24:12,329 --> 01:24:13,710
people and, you know, oligarch

2354
01:24:14,475 --> 01:24:16,475
government contractors on Twitter, you know, to make

2355
01:24:16,475 --> 01:24:18,475
sure we're thinking for ourselves. So, you know,

2356
01:24:18,475 --> 01:24:20,074
thank you for for breaking this all down

2357
01:24:20,074 --> 01:24:21,194
for us. I think this is such an

2358
01:24:21,194 --> 01:24:22,175
important conversation.

2359
01:24:22,475 --> 01:24:23,914
On the way out, I wanted your your

2360
01:24:23,914 --> 01:24:25,435
thought on one thing that I I sent

2361
01:24:25,435 --> 01:24:27,914
you a second before, the interview started. I

2362
01:24:27,914 --> 01:24:29,274
just saw it. It's breaking news. I wanted

2363
01:24:29,274 --> 01:24:31,110
your thoughts on if this is relevant or

2364
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:33,689
maybe just a random event. Unidentified gunman,

2365
01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:35,689
kill high ranking migration

2366
01:24:35,989 --> 01:24:38,390
official in the in Haiti's biggest cities. This

2367
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:40,630
is from, from today. So you have any

2368
01:24:40,630 --> 01:24:42,229
thoughts on that? I'm I'm sure you'd have

2369
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:43,484
time to look into it or anything, but

2370
01:24:43,484 --> 01:24:45,324
just is it's interesting that it's a migration

2371
01:24:45,324 --> 01:24:47,005
official and what that is and, you know,

2372
01:24:47,005 --> 01:24:47,664
any thoughts?

2373
01:24:49,164 --> 01:24:51,344
Yeah. I I do not know,

2374
01:24:52,844 --> 01:24:54,764
anything about it. I was I I just

2375
01:24:54,764 --> 01:24:56,364
saw the headline you sent me right before

2376
01:24:56,364 --> 01:24:57,024
we started.

2377
01:24:57,630 --> 01:24:58,829
Mhmm. Sorry to spring it on you. I

2378
01:24:58,829 --> 01:25:00,429
just thought it was interesting. No. No. It's

2379
01:25:00,429 --> 01:25:00,929
our

2380
01:25:01,229 --> 01:25:03,390
it's, it's okay. I mean, it is a

2381
01:25:03,390 --> 01:25:04,210
good question.

2382
01:25:06,109 --> 01:25:08,750
Who I mean, okay. I will say Cap

2383
01:25:08,750 --> 01:25:10,590
Haitien, which is in the in in the

2384
01:25:10,590 --> 01:25:12,189
north of the country, this is where that

2385
01:25:12,189 --> 01:25:12,689
happened,

2386
01:25:14,625 --> 01:25:15,925
is a much more stable,

2387
01:25:16,625 --> 01:25:18,465
area than Port au Prince. I mean, they

2388
01:25:18,465 --> 01:25:19,524
don't really have,

2389
01:25:20,465 --> 01:25:22,864
you know, quote, unquote gangs there. They did

2390
01:25:22,864 --> 01:25:25,125
before. I think they've been pretty much eliminated.

2391
01:25:25,664 --> 01:25:27,685
Kim and I were there in,

2392
01:25:30,869 --> 01:25:33,190
I think, in February. During this last trip,

2393
01:25:33,190 --> 01:25:34,789
we went to Cap Haitien, and we met

2394
01:25:34,789 --> 01:25:35,289
with,

2395
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:38,789
these this group called with BASEAP, which is,

2396
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:40,090
basically, like,

2397
01:25:40,949 --> 01:25:41,449
environmental

2398
01:25:41,909 --> 01:25:42,409
rangers

2399
01:25:42,824 --> 01:25:44,925
who who are kind of with this proto

2400
01:25:46,185 --> 01:25:47,164
revolutionary ideology,

2401
01:25:48,185 --> 01:25:50,685
and the government has tried to disband,

2402
01:25:51,625 --> 01:25:53,645
because they can't control them. So,

2403
01:25:54,024 --> 01:25:56,125
you know, it may be a way

2404
01:25:56,619 --> 01:25:57,680
to try to destabilize

2405
01:25:58,140 --> 01:25:59,739
cap Haitian in the, you know, the the

2406
01:25:59,739 --> 01:26:01,360
kind of northwest of the country.

2407
01:26:02,460 --> 01:26:02,960
So

2408
01:26:04,780 --> 01:26:06,460
beyond that, I have I have no idea.

2409
01:26:06,460 --> 01:26:08,314
It's, you know, it's it's it's a it's

2410
01:26:08,314 --> 01:26:10,074
a great question. Well, thank thank you for

2411
01:26:10,074 --> 01:26:11,514
your your, you know, your opinion on it,

2412
01:26:11,514 --> 01:26:12,715
your insight on that. And I I think

2413
01:26:12,715 --> 01:26:14,314
that I, you know, I I said I

2414
01:26:14,314 --> 01:26:15,354
I feel like one of the things that

2415
01:26:15,354 --> 01:26:16,635
jumped in my head was similar is that

2416
01:26:16,635 --> 01:26:18,395
just because just the the expanding of of

2417
01:26:18,395 --> 01:26:20,729
the of the effort or, you know, whether

2418
01:26:20,729 --> 01:26:22,649
it becomes relevant that he's a migration officer

2419
01:26:22,649 --> 01:26:24,170
or not, well, I'm sure I'll cover this

2420
01:26:24,170 --> 01:26:25,930
in future shows. But, you know, yeah, same

2421
01:26:25,930 --> 01:26:27,529
thing. I just really think that people need

2422
01:26:27,529 --> 01:26:30,010
to to step outside of their paradigm, the

2423
01:26:30,010 --> 01:26:32,329
the political lens they're looking through and and

2424
01:26:32,329 --> 01:26:34,454
consider what it really means to have your

2425
01:26:34,534 --> 01:26:37,015
your tax dollars, your governments acting on your

2426
01:26:37,015 --> 01:26:37,515
behalf

2427
01:26:38,055 --> 01:26:39,515
literally destroying, destabilizing,

2428
01:26:39,975 --> 01:26:42,614
pillaging foreign countries for no one's interest other

2429
01:26:42,614 --> 01:26:44,854
than themselves and, typically, for something outside of

2430
01:26:44,854 --> 01:26:46,534
even our own country. We're talking about globalist

2431
01:26:46,534 --> 01:26:48,869
entities or something else. So I, you know,

2432
01:26:48,869 --> 01:26:50,149
I recommend you all take a look at

2433
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:52,310
Dan's work, his documentaries. We'll include all this

2434
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:53,750
in the show notes. You know, thank you

2435
01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:55,189
for being here, Dan. I really enjoyed the

2436
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:57,289
conversation as much as it's a tough topic.

2437
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:58,869
Anything else you wanna leave for us on

2438
01:26:58,869 --> 01:27:00,869
the way out? Any upcoming work or final

2439
01:27:00,869 --> 01:27:01,369
thoughts?

2440
01:27:02,935 --> 01:27:03,574
No. Just,

2441
01:27:04,295 --> 01:27:07,975
working working hard on some unannounced undisclosed projects,

2442
01:27:07,975 --> 01:27:10,135
but hopefully, we'll have some, I'll have an

2443
01:27:10,135 --> 01:27:12,854
announcement soon. But, no. Just wanna thank you,

2444
01:27:12,854 --> 01:27:16,090
Ryan, for for having, having me on, having

2445
01:27:16,090 --> 01:27:18,329
Kim on and and the platform, and, look

2446
01:27:18,329 --> 01:27:19,469
forward to doing it again.

2447
01:27:19,850 --> 01:27:22,329
Thanks, Dan. Appreciate it. And as always, everybody

2448
01:27:22,329 --> 01:27:24,969
out there, question everything. Come to your own

2449
01:27:24,969 --> 01:27:25,469
conclusions.

2450
01:27:25,770 --> 01:27:26,590
Stay vigilant.