Welcome to the last American Vagabond. Thank you
for joining me today. I have had the
pleasure to be joined today by David Knight,
somebody who I've been looking forward to talking
with. We have a lot of interesting
overlaps or audience overlap. And and I one
one of the reasons I really wanted to
talk to him on our show, and we
I've been on his show before, is to
discuss some of these different 2 party illusion
aspects which I'm really, you know, I'm always
trying to connect with people out there that
I see that I feel really truly see
through what I think is the biggest kind
of hindrance to change in this conversation or
just in politics in general in the United
States in particular. And so, I wanted to
invite him on today to talk about sort
of the rising problem of the mainstream alternative
media, the the the the conversation we've been
having about the right sort of being played
through a lot of the different dynamics and
just a lot of other things I thought
would be fun to overlap with them today.
So, David, how are you? Good to have
you on the show. Thank you, Ryan. It's
great to be on, and and do really
appreciate, the work that you do. Thank you
so much. Well, thank you. I appreciate that.
Yeah. And I I really think that the
more that we can connect with you know?
And, again, I I'm I'm sure you would
agree. I'm guarantee we have things we don't
agree on. And I think that's what the
important thing is is to kind of realize
that that is okay and have these conversations.
But the focal point for me is to
really continue to highlight and make connections with
people that see the 2 party illusion
as as the one of the biggest problems.
And and maybe we'll just start with that
question. I know you discussed the 2 party
illusion and its problems, but where do you
see that in sort of the hierarchy of
our problems in in the political conversation?
Well, I think that's essential. I and when
we look at what is happening, they've done
everything they can for years. And when all
this stuff started happening in 2020
about contesting the election, I said, well, you
know,
I'm not seeing an honest election yet. There's
always an opportunity for somebody to cheat. And
if you put all of the money and
power,
of a very powerful and wealthy nation like
America, if you put all that
into Washington, what's going to happen? Well, you're
going to see the amount of money being
donated to politicians just grow exponentially.
Mhmm. And they're not really opposing each other.
They're really on the same page. And over
and over again, we see this. When we
look at the pandemic, for example,
why aren't they
calling out the other people? Well, because they
did the same thing themselves.
Right. They all supported this. They they paid
the money for it, and they'll find some
fine point that, something that they did for
example, Republicans, it's safe for them to say,
well, we didn't mandate it. Well, you were
going to. Mhmm. You know? And they already
and the other part of it is is
that they incentivized
it.
The the plan going back to 911, if
you look at what happened,
in 2001,
2 months before 9 11, they had the
first one of these germ games, dark winter.
Then a week after, they had the, anthrax
attack. And then 2 months later, they pushed
out model legislation.
And then every year, they practice one of
these germ games, and you had, almost all
the states,
enacted virtually all of that model state health
emergency powers act.
And so they wanted to get around the
10th amendment, and the thing that really enabled
it was having it funded out of Washington.
And, you know, when you declare the emergency
order,
what that does is that releases the money.
In the same way, if you have a
hurricane or something come through an area,
the declaration of an emergency releases the money.
So,
you know, they're they're playing this this phony
dichotomy that is there. They'll find a few
issues where they will oppose each other, and
then if it's something that is really egregious,
they might have some hearings or something on
it, but nothing ever happens. They don't cut
the funding. Nothing ever happens. There's not even
a an inquiry about COVID. In the UK,
they had an inquiry,
and it was used to cover things up
pretty much like we did with the Warren
Commission and the JFK assassination.
Usually, they'll use a commission to cover it
up, but, evidently,
they felt like there was enough pushback and
resistance from the American people that they even
needed to do that.
Well, what do you think changed? Right? I
mean, obviously, it's still the same problematic dynamic.
But like you point out that like, what
I've seen in the past, for example, is
kinda like an unspoken agreement that you won't
try to go after the previous president. Like,
it was kind of it's kind of a
known, unspoken, you know, dynamic, but that's changed.
Right? So what do you see changing in
that and to to where we are today
and how kind of the rules within their
dynamic have changed?
Well, you know, I I think the Republicans,
Democrats, obviously,
these politicians are competing against each other in
this Game of Thrones, and it's for real,
that kind of competition.
But I would I would,
liken it to what I believe happened with
the Internet. The Internet was designed in 1960s
JCR Licklider, a DARPA psychologist,
but they didn't have
the the hardware to pull it off. Once
the switching circuitry got up to the bandwidth
that they needed in the 19 nineties,
CIA came out with In Q Tel, their
own venture capital firm. They went public with
it. They didn't care. And if you look
at so many of these venture capital firms,
they've got people from the CIA, from the
NSA, and all these different agencies that are
setting on the venture capital firms.
They,
gave a lot of money to a lot
of different competitors and then set back and
made the best men win. They wanted to
have a competition
to fine tune that, and they wanna have
a competition between the political parties because they
wanna make it look real,
when in reality they're both essentially on the
on the vital issues. They're taking orders from
the same people in the in the same
way that when you go back and you
look at,
the George h w Bush and, Jimmy Carter
election, right, it was clear they wanted to
push through NAFTA.
The the flying the ointment was Ross Perot
at that point in time, but they were
both, the Republicans, Democrats wanted to push through
NAFTA regardless of who got in. When you
look at Romney versus Obama, they wanted to
get,
Obamacare or Romneycare, which had already same thing
had been done in Massachusetts,
Mitt Romney with, Ted Kennedy. Either Republican or
Democrat, you're still gonna get that key thing.
So they got a key that they wanna
run through. But they wanna have
this idea
that this is the most important election of
your life.
Every time. Every time. Every 4 years is
the most important election of your life, and
and you've gotta vote for the lesser two
evils. I know you don't like this guy,
but isn't that other guy really horrible? And
by keeping the the dynamics of 2 people,
it allows them to do that. If you
were to bring in a 3rd,
person,
that really messes that up. And because then
you have to start talking about issues. And
I think one of the things that's really
helped us a great deal
and why they're going after,
other people more specifically
is because of Trump. And I think, you
know, the fact that he's he's there and
he's,
got some sharp elbows and he's pushing things
around, they they push back. Now
I I would be surprised to see them
put him in jail. It's one thing
to convict somebody of felonies and to destroy
their reputation, that type of thing, But if
you cross that Rubicon of putting your opponent
in jail, that means that the next election
you lose, you're likely to go to jail
as well. So we'll see what happens with
it. I don't know if you saw what
happened, the last 24 hours. We had Scott
Ritter's house, the the guy who was the
weapons inspector who pushed back against the lies
on the Iraq war.
His house was raided,
and he said they're coming after him for
a supposed FARA violation of foreign agent registration
act violation. It's it's not not true, but
they took away a dozen boxes of electronics
and things like that and then, to go
fishing. And then at the same time,
within about the last 24 hours or so,
there's been several stories,
about, Chelsea Gabbard who is now on the
Quiet Skies
watch list, and they've got marshals
following her around everywhere she flies. They've got
5 to 7 people following her around,
and that began the day after she criticized
La la Harris. I call her Kamala or
Mhmm. Pamela. I call her La la because
she's kinda ditzy. But,
but, they as soon as she criticized,
Harris
on Fox News, that order was issued the
next day. And these are whistleblowers
from inside the air marshal program who don't
like this, and we shouldn't any of us
tolerate that type of thing. Well, let me
ask you this. So with Gabbard, like, I
think Scott Ritter stands out as obvious
political persecution. I mean, it may all very
well may be.
But you make the point about Trump. And
what I think is interesting or or Gabbard
for that same point is it I mean,
obviously, I at least it for I think
it show he plays the game. Let me
ask you this as straightforward. Do are you
do you see it as Donald Trump
being within that game as part of the
problem, but simply as you said, the elbows,
like, he's sort of a wild card and
that's kinda pressuring him back to stay in
line or that he is outside of that?
And then how do you see Gabbard in
the same conversation? Are they being persecuted? Are
they is this meant to make us feel
that that's the case and that's there's something
different happening?
Well, I I like, the way it was
described by Dave Chappelle.
He
he said, you know, here's Trump. He comes
out of this inside,
there's this big club, and he walks out
of the outside. He tells you exactly all
the garbage that's going on there, and then
he walks back in and joins it again.
So it is this back and forth with
Trump. He really is a wild card because,
you know, he comes from a background
of celebrity and entertainment and all the same.
And and, you know, just like,
you know, Kamala, he's a chameleon as well.
I mean, they're all chameleons. They don't really
have any principles. They don't wanna have a
debate even anymore. They don't even wanna pretend
to have an election. So, I think that,
yeah, he's he's wise to all that, but
his game is simply
is simply a power game. And if he
gets that throne and he's been pretty upfront
about that, surprisingly.
And and so he has said, yeah. I
gave money to La la when she was,
in California.
That's my job to, you know, to buy
things from politicians.
And so that's why he wants to be
a politician because he wants people paying him
instead of him paying other people like the
godfather, you know. It's Right. It's that kind
of and he's upfront about it. Doesn't even
really care. The other thing that's interesting is
that that Joe Biden with Joe Biden there
or la la there, people are saying, wait
a minute. The president's not really doing anything.
There's somebody that we're not seeing who's actually
running the show because he can't tie his
shoes. Right. Well, so you make the point
about Trump, you know, essentially not, like I
guess, I kinda took as your point is
that he didn't actually go to prison. He
didn't get charged. And because, like, the worry
would be that if you did that, then
it would be reciprocal. So that makes me
think that you feel that it's sort of
a a theater to a degree. Right? Yeah.
And it and at the at the idea
being
that, ultimately, it's to make people think that
he is the kind of
persecuted hero. You know? So I find it
hard not to see that as, you know,
somebody who is perpetuating the problem. You know?
But, I mean, I I I will say
right out of the gate that I, like,
I think we all said the same thing.
Like, the one thing I like about him
is that he really does you know, we're
there for the oil. It's like, well, good.
At least I that's wrong and it's a
crime, but at least I like that he's
telling us that. You know? And that's that's
I think everybody could agree on that. And
so that's Yeah. Maybe why there's sort of
a pushback on, you know, hey. Don't be
so so much of a wild card. You
know? So I don't know. I I think
I think that we agree on that. So
it's interesting. So where do you where do
you see that going as this goes into
the election, I guess, in a broader question?
I I didn't plan to get into this
necessarily, but I I find it interesting to
see how that plays out. Like, to me,
that sounds like, well, we're gonna lose either
way because everybody in there is playing the
game. I mean, I think that's that's how
I feel anyway. I agree. What what I've
told people is I said, look, you know,
vote for whoever you wanna vote for if
you wanna vote. I'm not interested,
in voting with either one of these guys,
but look. I'm not gonna fight you if
you wanna vote for somebody, but what I
will fight you over is joining the cult.
Mhmm. What I'll fight you over is going
into a civil war for one of these
people, and I'm seeing this a lot. And
this is a narrative that's kind of, really
escalating. Just this last week, we had Jon
Voigt saying, well, that's it. You know, it's
gonna be civil war, and we've heard some
of this talk before. We've heard some of
it from Steve Bannon and from Alex Jones
and people like that. But, you know, they
they keep pushing it. Jon Voigt does it.
And then Biden says, well, I don't think
there's gonna be a peaceful transfer of power.
You know? And and so we got both
the left and the right, and you got
Jamie Raskin saying, we're if Donald Trump wins,
we're gonna fight him on the 14th amendment.
We're not gonna let him get in there.
I think they're setting us up with this
Hegelian thing. I think they're setting us up
for civil war, and and here's what I'm
concerned about.
I talk a lot about
the 4th turning, and and I don't know
if you're familiar with that or not, but,
you know, Strauss and Howe's book, they wrote
in the early nineties, they wrote generations, and
then they followed it up, like, 2 years
later with a 4th turning. The reason we
use the terms millennial and things like that
is because those are things that they coined.
They said, you know, we've got generations that
are about 20 years apart
And, they said, in every 4th generation,
we have a major restructuring
of society.
And they did that based on going back
to American history and then going back actually
500 years to English history because it said
English and American history were kinda synced up.
Now they say we're synced up globally. So
they said in the early nineties, sometime in
the mid 2000s, there'll be some kind of
an economic disruption that'll be global.
2000 and seven, 2,008 that happened. And then
they said, and then there'll be a 4th
turning that'll end sometime around 2029. And isn't
it interesting that all the globalists want their
new society in place by 2030?
Now all of these 4th turnings are typically
a war,
they they typically have a war, but they
always have an economic component to it. And
usually it's because people are sick and tired
of these institutions. They're corrupt. They wanna change
everything. And so
when we, look at the time that we're
in, there's not much time left. It's gonna
be this next administration where a lot of
things are going to happen, and I think
everything is getting
is getting weird. It's accelerating,
and I think we're gonna continue to see
that. And I've said since I've been talking
about this since I've been on air, and
I said,
this 4th turning,
I don't know if it's gonna be you
know, the previous 4th turning was the Great
Depression World War 2, prior to that, the
Civil War, prior to that, the American Revolution.
I said, I don't know if it's going
to be a world war and a depression
and a civil war and a revolution. It
could be all 3 if we're not, if
we're unfortunate here. But,
I don't really know what's gonna happen, but
I do know that they understand
the timing. That's why they're talking about 2030.
They understand the timing. The vast majority of
Americans don't understand what's going on. They're just
reacting
to what these people are throwing at us.
Yeah. Exactly. Which I call the, you know,
kind of the cat dangly cat toy kind
of thing. Every new story is like, look
over here, you know, and something else goes
on. But I wanna come back to the
civil war part. I really do want I
wanna make sure we discuss that. But because
we're talking about
the the behind the scenes entity. What you
made a great point about how in the
past,
the
the the technology got to a point or
that that rather than they had a plan
that wasn't able to be initiated because the
technology wasn't there. And, eventually, it was, and
it got rolled out. The Internet cover I
mean, I see the same thing happening, which
I'm sure you agree with in regard to,
I mean, any number of directions. The nanotechnology,
the great reason, the injections, the mRNA, like,
these have been laid out for a long
time, and now suddenly it's happening. And so
I would argue that's why we've seen this
kind of initiation of this next phase. But
you mentioned the people,
the the the same people behind all of
them. How do what do you view that
as? I mean, it's it's kind of a
nebulous thing. Right? Whether it's the the behind
the scenes ruling factions or whatever. But what
do you see that as? Well, you know,
I'm I'm a Christian, and so when I
look at this, a lot of people look
and say, well, we got these interlocking families,
or we've got these organizations, or we got
the Freemasons, or the Illuminati, or we got
the Rothschilds, or this, that. Those are all
factors in that. Right. But, you know, a
or this and that. Those are all factors
in that. Right. But, you know, ultimately, I
look at this as a Christian, as a
spiritual war. And so,
that's why I think this continues to go
in a particular direction.
But when we look at the people who
are actually the actual people who are are
doing this type of thing,
again, it is,
there there is a definite
move towards this, and we can see all
of these different institutions
that you can identify who've been talking about
this for decades. I mean, I
I refer to it as, kind of Hitchcock's
MacGuffin.
Yeah, he would talk about, well, they're all
chasing MacGuffin. What is the MacGuffin? Well, it
could be the Maltese Falcon, or it could
be the plans for a new airplane or
something like that, but it's whatever motivates the
characters. It doesn't really matter itself.
And so the pandemic was a MacGuffin.
The climate change stuff is a MacGuffin. What
they really want out of those things is
to
tag us and to track us and to
depopulate us and all these other things, and
all of those things flow into it. You
know, when you go back and look at
the climate,
McGuffin, for example,
in the late 19 sixties, you had Paul
Ehrlich who's doing the population bomb and things
like that, the Club of Rome, and then
they move it into,
the climate and the environment. First, it was
about cleaning up pollution and everything. We got
too many people, too much pollution, And then
it became about a new ice age. And
they did that for about 8 years, and
all of a sudden, they just flipped the
switch and is now about global warming. But
they still wanted to do the same things.
And so it's like, well, wait a minute.
How do you have the same solution
for both
for both of these things when they're diametrically
opposite of each other? And then they did
it again with the with the, a pandemic.
Same type of stuff, tag tag us and
track us and reduce the number of people
and all the rest of this stuff. So,
you know, they they have
this agenda that they want to move towards
where they have global governance, whether or not
you see a an actual physical place of
where the government is going to be or
whether it's just this, you know,
this network of of agreements behind the scenes
and that type of thing. I think it
is very interesting.
Several times, I went to the Bilderberg,
group,
and that's always super quiet and, you you
know, like, they you can't hardly ever get
pictures.
We
which would typically happen in June
sometime around that time, but 3, you know,
in January, they would have Davos
and there they wanted everybody to see everything
that they were doing. And they bring celebrities
in and everything. It's like, what's up with
that? You know, when you look at Davos,
you've got Klaus Schwab. He's the prototypical
James Bond Nazi.
It's almost it's all these characters are straight
out of central casting. Right. And, you know,
they want you to see this, and they
want you to focus on what they're gonna
show you at Davos. And so part of
it is a revelation of method, and part
of it is, a distraction away from the
real business that's being done at some of
these other meetings, and there's so many of
these different organizations. I just mentioned a couple
of them, Bilderberg,
Club of Rome, but there's so many of
them. That's where the real, work gets done.
Yeah. What's interesting there is that I I
often point this out that I I mean,
I agree with you entirely, but I also
wonder
because we're aware of what Bilderberg is to
such a degree that it's basically a talking
point. It's like a general conversation these days.
I just wonder whether that's even what you
know, that it's been moved somewhere else. Right?
That they still have that. There's no name.
You know? And the reason I bring that
up is because I wanna kind of quickly
overlap this. I mean, it's a very esoteric
and, like, gigantic conversation, but you recently made
a post about the Olympics.
And Matt Ehret put up an article today
for TLab that brings this really deep into
the paganism and the symbolism and all the
stuff that was involved there, but brings it
back to a really interesting
kind of duopoly conversation that goes back centuries.
You know, the idea of how these same
powers, in a lot of ways showing from,
like, you know, Christianity and and, you know,
different Abrahamic religions sort of being infiltrated by
these pagans to intentionally bring things down. And
the idea being that for this very long
period of time, we've been dealing with this
kind of infiltrations and the sort of, again,
a 2 party type of illusion. And my
point is I see that in a way
with what we're talking about where you've got
the Davos
forward facing, this is what we want you
to see and then the other one over
here and and, really, both of them are
frauds. Then maybe it's somewhere else happening entirely,
and we get trapped in these kind of
binary ways to look at things. So you
you may you you meant, made a post
about the Olympics and on all the conversation
there. So, 1, I just wanted your thoughts
on that and how you see that. His
point was that ultimately what we're seeing from
well, you know, through France and the location,
but the elitist
sort of projecting this new change into
you know, I like a Malthusian kind of
mind belief of where we're, you know, it's
okay doing wrong things is sort of a
way to find good. It's like this dark
way to view the world. And so I
just wanted your thoughts on what you saw
there and that and what you see in
that same kind of mindset.
Yeah. It it there's so many different things
in Paris. I mean, first of all, the
massive amount of surveillance that's there and the
fact that they changed laws, and that's not
going to go away.
And so we got to have it because
of Paris. And then you look at the
mayor there, Hildago,
she is a hardcore marxist environmentalist.
That's where the 15 minute city stuff began,
was there. And, you had the yellow vest
protest because you're trying to shut down all
the cars years ago. They can't even clean
up the Seine River,
spent huge amounts of money on it, but
it, you know, so there's the and then
what they're doing in the Olympic Village in
terms of the cardboard,
beds and not letting them have meat, not
letting them have air conditioning. So there's all
of that aspect of it.
I kind of joked when I talked about
it. I said,
what are they gonna do? They're going to,
use that,
to have, some Olympic athletes endorse that kind
of austerity. Maybe they'll have, you know, some
some cereal that's made out of bugs and
say, look. This is what we ate at
the Olympics. You know? Just like they put
Bruce Jenner on the cover of,
of, some of that stuff. So maybe that's
part of it there.
But then the whole thing that they did
is is as I was talking to Peter
Hammond, he's a a guy who's lived in
South Africa, for a very long time.
He was there fighting the Marxists. He had
a very interesting back and forth with Nelson
Mandela,
and
he
was, Nelson Mandela was,
he led a large group of, Christians in
because they were
legalizing abortion and doing a bunch of things
like that. And so the next day he
gets called in to meet with Mandela.
And
and so he said, you know, well, you're
fighting me because you're you're racist or white
or and he goes, no, I was fighting
you because you're a Marxist. And so there
you have this back and forth
with with him because he's he's gone as
a missionary into Marxist nations and the Muslim
nations. And one of the things that's kept
him alive, kept him from being tortured as
he gets into these,
philosophical arguments of both the Muslims and the
Marxists. They do like to talk about philosophy
and religion and things like that, so he's
happy to talk to them about that. And
his take on the Olympics
was that, it it was a very deliberate,
juxtaposition,
especially the Lord's Supper type of thing. You
know, here's,
they've got,
the the the god of,
Bacchanalia
Dionysius,
and, he's there blue like he's he's dead.
So it's it's kind of, you know, you
have in in the Christian,
communion, you have the, the wine and the
bread. The bread represents,
Christ's body that was broken and the and
the wine represents his blood that was shed
for our sins. He said they reversed all
that.
And so it's simply about wine, and it's
simply about the body as, sexual debauchery and
and everything. So it's not about saving people
from their sins, but it's kind of a
celebration,
a bacchanalia,
of of celebrating that sin. Right. And he
said and it's very deliberately said if you
go back and you look at
at the original Olympics and the pagan society
that was there, it's kind of strange that
that was picked as a model anyway because
it was incredibly
violent. Sometimes, people died.
They, had animal sacrifices. It was built into
all the stuff, and he said, but but
this is the type of thing that the
elites want. And and when you look at
all this total package, we look at the
surveillance and the tracking
and, you know, the the
debauchery and all the rest of the stuff.
This is what they want to do to
collapse Americans,
not Western society.
And,
and so they're showing that to us, and
they're showing us the society,
that they want us to, rebuild.
And, it's very different from what we have.
I mean, even you have, atheists like Richard
Dawkins saying, well, I I don't like Christianity.
I don't like, your Christ, but I do
like the fruit of this. You know. I
I like the the Christian culture and the
architecture and the art and and the legal
system. I don't wanna be ruled by Muslims
or this, that, that, you know, this is
really coming,
from the technocracy,
which is a very different thing. And I
think a lot of people are still trying
to struggle to get their head around the
difference between the and the Marxists and the
socialist and the Muslims who have all these
different philosophies.
Sometimes they take elements from each other, but
they're distinct things,
but he looks at it and he says,
yeah, I I, I like the culture of
Christianity. He just doesn't believe it,
but, and we we saw a little bit
of that from, Elon Musk in terms of
what he was saying. Of course, he's a
technocrat.
But,
you know, the the and the Olympics and
what these people are trying to push, it's
a very,
it's a very pagan system
that is overlaid and enabled now by this
technology that they have. Yeah. I know. Well,
I mean, I I see a lot of
the points in there being, you know, almost
like like, some of the arguments Matt was
making in the article that, historically, it's about
sort of driving
the population to an extreme. Well, really, from
the elite perspective or elitist perspective that it's
about
kind of both sides of that coin and
the idea being, like, you drive people into
the extreme level, which then justifies the necessity.
Like, having a a, like, a free society
if you however you perceive that, the necessity
to have extreme leadership like, you know, like
a dictator or a ruler. Like, it's kind
of like this constant cycle of rationalizing
the top down control. You know? Or or
these many different angles of the way this
has been abused, but the general point being
that what we're seeing there seems to be
the intention to drive us into a position
that makes us easier to control, you know,
and a lot of different angles around it.
So it's just really disconcerting to see such
a flagrant I mean, obviously, insulting aspects to
different many different perspectives of religion, but the
idea that it's almost
against all of those things. You know, it's
Well, you know what? Not not even just
the religious course. You know, they had, like,
the pale rider, you know, out of revelation
and,
clear reference to that. But then, the reference
to, the decapitation of Marie Antoinette and that
type of thing. I mean, they really are
pushing. What they're pushing is chaos and death
and, debauchery and things like that. I mean,
it it is really,
and and you can even see that with
the the French Revolution aspect of it. Like
you said, you know, why don't they do
Joan of Arc or something like that? I
mean, there's a lot of French heroes that
they could do. Why would they celebrate,
the, you know, that that bloody revolution that
even turned in on itself.
But, you know, when we look at the
way they're controlling us,
one of the things that concerns me is,
the fact that both the left and the
right
who were caught up in this Hegelian, you
know, thing,
both of them want their problems
solved in Washington.
And what is happening is so much power
and money is being focused and poured into
Washington,
And and I see it with the MAGA
people as much as I see it with
a old line,
socialist and and, leftist
radicals. You know, oh, we gotta Washington should
fix it, you know, and and there needs
to be,
you know, we may need to make a
federal case out of everything and and a
law about everything And now you see that
happening really with the the right as well.
And even more so, it's focused around Trump.
I was very concerned when I saw that
type of thing focused around Obama.
When Obama first, appeared,
everybody was, you know, oh, this is this
is great. This you know, and and
kind of this, idolatry and and worship of
Obama and the way that we talk about
how people idolize a pop star or a
movie star or something like that. And,
then the same thing happened with, Trump.
And,
you know, so so both of these sides
are are thinking that the only way that
they're going to get everything solved is with,
this particular person in that particular office.
And so even this last week when you
had the the stock market crash on Monday,
both Trump and JD Vance are saying, where
was la la? You know, where where was
Kamala? Or whatever. And,
and it's like, that's not her job, first
of all, you know. I mean, but it's
like
they're pushing forward this idea that everything, good
or bad, needs to come from Washington, and
the right has bought into that now as
much it used to only be the left,
but now the right has bought into it.
I just say one more thing. You know,
at the end of Obama's,
8 years,
you had Harry Belafonte who was, you know,
hardcore leftist,
and he said about Obama, he said, we
don't know who this guy is. We projected
onto him what we wanted him to be,
and that's exactly what is happening now with,
Trump.
Absolutely. I mean, this is a really terrifying
concept for those that can seem to see
it outside of the pair the partisan lens.
So what I was saying before to bring
to make can bring these together, which is
essentially, like you mentioned, the the bloody civil
war, which as I understand the history, that's
essentially, what brought an end to that was
the,
you know,
claiming the leadership of
Napoleon Bonaparte taking control as a god, you
know, god man dictator, essentially. Right? That was
the essentially, what going forward. And my point
would be that this is sort of the,
like, the the the creation of these things.
And we can see this happening right now
where, like, the logical conclusion, especially if you're
in manufactured chaos to where people are desperate,
they don't know, they're uncertain, the things aren't
happening the way they usually had in the
past. Suddenly, it's easier to rationalize more extreme
control and change. Right? Like we saw through
the great reset where Yeah. It's not far
fetched to see somebody like Trump, who quite
frankly, I think is the selection, and we
can talk about that if you like, stepping
in and going, well, look at what the
left has done. Look at what we have
to do to And and and then you
get the right, as we're seeing, start embracing
things that challenge what they like, their core
tenants of belief, constitutional mindset.
And and so that is kind of this
general way this goes and then you get
a dictator. And it's this kind of cycle
that can be they love to frame that.
I saw Elon share a tweet like this
going, like, hard times create good men and
like this cycle of how these things work.
It's like, well, in most cases you're highlighting,
it doesn't go from hard times to good
men. It goes from hard times to authoritarian
dictators and you look back and frame them
as good men. It's usually the way that
goes. Mhmm. But so I wonder, you know,
that's my worry about the way this is
happening coming back even to the civil war
point. Is that you have they're driving us
into this mindset to where that'll just allow
them to justify more extreme top down control.
And I'm willing to bet you whether left
or right, it'll dovetail with the great reset
conversation. That's my memory. Oh, absolutely. You know,
Klaus Schwab is always talking about the 4th
industrial revolution. Right?
And so, and in a sense, it's like,
you know, this is a 4th turning and
it is very much like the industrial revolution
in the sense that if you go back
and look at the American Civil War, the
American Civil War wasn't about slavery really. It
was about in the Industrial Revolution.
And I I can pretty much, prove that
point by taking a look at what was
happening in Europe at the same time. Mhmm.
Between 18 61 and 18/65,
at exactly the same time we had our
civil war, they had a civil war in
Italy as well. Slavery was not the issue.
What was the issue was the transition from
an agrarian society to an industrial society and
a transition from decentralized
agrarian society, which both Italy and the United
States had, as well as, you know, the
the creation of the nation states. It was
also going on with Germany and things like
that. And so the consolidation
of these,
decentralized agrarian power centers
into
a centralized
nation state that was industrialized.
And that was going on, especially in Italy,
but in other European places as well, at
the same time it was happening in the
United States. And so they understand there's these
economic and technical forces, there's these generational forces,
and they're all converging at this point in
time. And and you're right. It's going to
be,
regardless of who's there, they're gonna try to
push us in this more totalitarian
direction.
The American Revolution was unusual in the sense
that it didn't go in a more totalitarian
direction, but it easily could have. There were
people within, you know, the the group we
call the founding fathers,
like Hamilton, who wanted to make it,
just another kingship or something like that. Right.
So it was, because of the the influence
of a few individuals who pushed it the
other way that it that didn't happen. But,
yeah, I think the likelihood is it usually
does go down into a more,
totalitarian, more authoritarian thing. And this time around,
what really makes this different
is the massive amount of technology
that they can bring to bear when you're
talking about genetics, robotics, artificial intelligence, nanotech, all
of that stuff.
I mean, we haven't even
seen,
Nanotech is so difficult for us to assess.
We don't know if they're doing it to
us now.
They could do it to us, and they
could blame it on some kind of a
pandemic or something like that. You know, there
there's these things that are even invisible, but
stuff that we can see is bad enough.
But, of course, there's stuff that you can't
see, the genetics and the nanotech,
that's even worse.
Yeah. I that's a that conversation, as my
audience knows, is it that keeps me up
at night. You know, like, reality of the
smart dust. And if you barely look into
this realizing that it's not something that's in
the future, it's something that's been researched and
implied in the past already. And so you
it's just as they hold up these clunky
large things, like, this is the future microchip.
And it's like, they're so far past these
things. It really does worry me. But, yeah,
I mean, I I think that this is
the clear kind of direction, and I it
the the concern is that so many people
are
choosing not to see it. You know? And
so let let's talk a minute about the
conversation of, you know, sort of the as
I think David Icke has has given credit
for coining the mainstream alternative media, the MAM,
as, he points it, Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson,
like numerous Twitter sensations.
And then on the other side of that,
I see the Elon Musk, Trump, JD Vance,
Peter Thiel, like technocrat, whole politician overlap that
and all of this kinda converging into something
very terrifying.
And I and and seeing through that the
ability to convince a lot of And the
way I would argue is, like, the republicans
when I see they're, like, the team sport
politics players and then a lot of conservatives
there in varying positions that might not believe
it all. But when I'm talking about the
left right, I talk about the Republicans in
this. The right the Republicans being played into
accepting a lot of this as as, I
think, Katherine Austin Fitts framed it as the
Republicans
manipulating conservatives into the technocratic control structure. I
I mentioned the,
the conversation of the SAVE Act. I don't
know if you talked about that at all,
but I personally see this as sort of
a Trojan horse for digital ID. So I
wanted your thoughts on that whole overlap. You
know, I mean, you you've worked in the
past with InfoWars, so you have an insight
into kinda that mindset and the direction, and
you've been very clear about your thoughts on
that over the past. And so I want
your thoughts on, you know, where you see
this going. And, you know, do you see
any level of this being legitimate? You know,
just your general thoughts on that direction.
Well, you know, it's interesting. This week,
somebody sent to me a reminder
of,
the,
it was, conspiracy theories or something on this
program that,
Jesse Ventura used to have. Right? And they
said, oh, look at this. You know, Alex
Jones had this so right, you know, a
decade ago, when he was on with Jesse
Ventura. And, they were talking about the pandemic
and and and basically it wasn't anything new.
It was something that they kicked off with
dark winter in 2,001.
They'd already been practicing it annually,
for 10 years. And so, you know, it's
like, oh, look, we just figured this out
type of thing. Well, it was fine. What
they were saying at that point in time
was true. Mhmm. And I knew that he
knew that,
and had always talked about that. And he
had always talked about adjuvants and, you know,
aluminum and mercury and things like that and
vaccines and and the danger of that and
the connections to autism and everything. So it
was really surprising to me to see all
this stuff just flip
in 2020.
And, you know, I knew that he become
partisan. You know, he was,
always would, say, well, I don't really like
either one of the parties and that type
of thing. He wouldn't pick sides, but he
picked sides big time as soon as Trump
came in. And especially when Trump gave him
the interview. He, you know, he he was
all about that. Mhmm. But, you know, at
the same time I saw that, I saw
another picture of Jesse Ventura looking over,
Tim Walz,
who has just signed some bill. I don't
know what it was about.
And, but, you know, beaming, yeah, that's great,
you know. And I thought, you know, both
of them,
when you look at what happened in 2020,
the stuff that they told people and warned
people about for 10 years, the stuff that
they knew,
they just turned their back on it on
it and told them something completely different.
And, you know, I I said, wait a
minute. When we look at this and I
had all of 2020, I was at loggerheads
with, the people at Infowars because they were
pushing the fear button and the panic button
about the virus and said, this is a
game that they've played, and we don't know
that this thing is real. We haven't seen
any evidence of a pandemic anywhere. We've heard,
you know, these people are locking down all
the rest of the stuff, but he was
selling a lot of products so you could
write it off as just, you know, crass
commercialism,
from him and from,
you know,
Mike Adams. And it was things really came
to a head when David Icke came on
and said, this is all BS. Right. And
that was kind of a turning point because
up to that point,
Mike Adams had been pedal to the metal
about fear and so had Alex.
And then when David Icke came on,
Alex brought him and Alex will do that.
He'll bring in somebody who's on the opposite
side just to kinda hedge his bets so
he can always say he was right. Right.
And so when he brought him on, Mike
Adams got really upset about that and, said,
said, well, I'm the only person in the
alternative media that's got a science degree. And
he's like, oh, really? What is your science
degree?
He doesn't say he doesn't say where he
went to school, what his degree is, and
anything, but he keeps it, you know. But
anyway,
so, you know, I'm upfront about in fact,
I've got a science degree. So what? You
know, it is about critical thinking, and it's
about
sticking to what you already know instead of,
flipping 180 degrees away for what? For money
or because somebody who's been controlling you is
telling you to do this or that?
And so we got into a thing,
Mike Adams and I did and eventually got,
you know, it wasn't just about the issues.
It was, you know, kind of a personal
thing. But then Alex started even pushing this
idea that, well, this is the Trump vaccine.
It's okay.
And I had somebody that I'd interviewed contacted
me and it's like, well, I don't know.
I don't have the time to watch Alex's
show, but I can't believe that he would
say that.
And then, he did it while I was
sitting next to him one day as he
as the show is ending and we got
30 seconds. They're playing the music and we're
going out and I, you know, I can't
say anything. He's he's talking, the music's going
and it's out like that. And he says,
of course, it's not the bad vaccine,
you know, that Trump is putting through. He's
putting this and it's like, what is he
talking about?
And then,
I guess it was about,
4 or 5 months ago,
somebody sent me a couple of clips of,
both, something he said in the studio as
well as a set piece that he had
done, saying that Trump is gonna protect us
with a good vaccine and that you can
take this. It's all gonna be some kind
of a dead,
dead or weakened thing, and it's just gonna
have a little bit of aluminum and mercury
in it. It's okay. You can take that.
It's gonna be basically sugar water. It's what
he said. Yeah. And I play that over
again, and it's like, what in the world
is he talking about? That's antithetical to everything
that he has talked about for 20 years.
Also false. So when you watch that? If
it's also false, please continue. Yeah. Exactly. But,
you know, the point is is that you
can have people out there that'll tell people
the truth and they'll do it for a
very long time, and then when it comes
to the push comes to shove, they'll flip
it.
And and that's when they come they've gained
the people's trust. It's a classic con job
and, and it's what controlled opposition does. It's
what double agents do and intelligence community and
all the rest of the stuff. And then
he did it again with the January 6th
stuff. 2 days after the election, he's got
Steve Pachenko on, who is admitted,
being CIA. He was involved in operation Gladio.
He was working for Henry Kissinger, all of
the things that Alex Jones is supposedly
against.
And this guy comes on and says, yeah.
We we got, 2 days after election, there's
20,000 National Guard out there right now. They're
arresting people. And we've created,
blockchain watermark ballots, and we know exactly
who rigged this election and all the rest
of the stuff. That got 4,000,000
views. You had Clarence Thomas's wife
sent that video
to Mark Meadows
and said, I hope this is true. Well,
it was not possible at all. I mean,
the next morning, I came in, and I
was, you know, saying this is this is
not true. It's a lie. And I had
big things privately as well as publicly,
when I was there at Infowars. And then
eventually, you know, after after the day,
that, they did the electoral college votes on
December 14th, I said, it's over, folks. We
don't need to do January 6th. Anything else
about this is a grift. And, of course,
that whole weekend,
where Alex had been out doing fundraisers,
and that was the weekend that he said,
whatever it takes. We're not gonna let Biden
in the White House. And and so I
was telling people, don't go. And I said
that to people, and I continued after I
was fired, and I told people up to
that morning. I said, it's a trap.
There's gonna be agent provocateurs.
They're gonna come after you, and they're gonna
use it,
for all the conservatives. But the problem is,
most of these people in MAGA, they are
kinda newbies. They don't really know anything about
history or politics,
and they're easily manipulated.
And and they're projecting what they want
onto
Donald Trump or whatever, and they're being controlled
by this media that, David Eich is talking
about, you know, the the new alternative mainstream
media.
Yeah. Right. Exactly. And, you know, I mean,
your your integrity is very clear. You've you've
stood by these things and time has shown
that you're correct. I think that's what really
matters. But the sad part, which is kinda
one of the points we're highlighting here,
is is and I I don't know if
I think it's the majority or not. I'm
kind of hoping it's not. But how many
people, and it's still a lot, choose to
just ignore that? Just please leave it in
regard. Or fight me on it. I mean,
I still say, you know, you're a liar.
You're it's like, I'm the liar?
I mean, do you do you understand what
happened the last 4 years? Did you see
what happened on January 6th, and you tell
me I'm the liar? It's it's crazy how
angry the MAGA people are. I've had to
get a pretty thick skin because it it
just keeps coming. You know, they were telling
me that after after it happened, January 6th.
Now leave Trump alone. He's out of this.
I was like, he's not going anywhere.
He's gonna still be around. But, you know,
they get so angry because they're so invested
Yep. In a person. They're invested in Trump
or they're invested
in Alex Jones or they're invested in Tucker
Carlson or whatever. They don't wanna hear anything
else. They've got to see, this is part
of the problem
is that they have defined their life
around politics,
and there's something that is far more important
than politics, but because that's everything to them
and because they can't think of any way
to get what they want unless they've got
a benevolent dictator in Washington. Right. That's the
way they organize their life, and that's what's
gonna drive us into a civil war if
we don't push back against that. Right. Right.
A 100%. Let let me ask you one
thing about what you said there because this
is it's interesting. I mean, you it's it's
something you said earlier in the conversation already
tells me that you you believe that there's
cheating all, like, all the time in elections.
But what you're I I'm sure people will
try to pluck out what you said there
in regard to January 6th and the ballots.
I saw a post you were doing about
this. You had an interview about this as
well saying that, ultimately, that Trump lost and
the the lie of the stolen election and
so on. Now that being a stated, let's
just call that a fact based you know,
that not people can decide for themselves or
recommend you look into it. But my point
is, do you then alternatively
think that there was also cheating? Like, do
you think that those two things exist in
the conversation?
Yes. I do. And and the thing is,
you know, the guy that I had on,
he was part of the he was hired
by the Trump Organization
to do an audit, and he'd done that
type of thing many times before. So he's
an expert. He'd been an expert witness and
things like that. And, so his organization went
through and gave the report
and they said we we can find some
fraud but it's not anywhere close to what
you need to change things around. They also
did, and I think the key thing about
that interview,
you know, I thought it was interesting
what he did for the Trump Organization.
I, you know, and he had a debate
with Mike Lindell
and,
he and Mike Lindell had different ideas about
what should be done and I'm I lean
more towards what Mike Lindell said should be
done. I mean, I lean more towards,
paper ballots and, you know, let's go full
Neanderthal. We've all vote on one day, and
we get our thumb purple or whatever. That's
what they did when they went to run
election in Iraq.
So, you know, we do something like that
and just kinda brute force it through. You're
still gonna have some cheating with any kind
of a system, of course. Right. But, when
you start to bring in the the,
the, the machines,
the very fact that the machines can count
things faster and they can multiplies, you know,
give you a multiplying effect on your labor.
It also gives a multiplying effect on any
kind of manipulation.
Right. And I've been talking since 2014
about Smartmatic
and how that was created by 3 friends,
2 or 3 friends of,
Maduro,
I'm sorry, Hugo Chavez Mhmm. And, you know,
and they've had one scandal after the other
of several different provinces in Mexico,
as well as the Philippines, as well as
Brazil. And so it's not anything new and
they're not the only one. It's all these
different electronic,
things have that kind of liability to them.
But, the thing that I thought was interesting,
and I had talked about Venezuela,
is the fact that,
what the state department will do is they
will do exit polls and they look at
the result of the exit polls versus the
official results. If they see more than a
5% spread,
then they say, well, it was rigged.
And we have that same,
that same organization, Edison Research, does the exit
polls for all of America. And when you
hear it reported, they will never give you
that kind of a comparison. Never ever. Right.
And, of course, the Republicans and Democrats won't
do it either. What does that tell you?
It tells you, I think, that they both
got their little enclaves where they're cheating and
they don't wanna expose that. Right? So, you
know, they're both passing cards on the table,
and they don't wanna call the other guy
out because they're doing the same thing with
their guys. But, the other aspect of it
that could be the case is that Edison
Research is also,
dishonest.
So we don't know, but but it it
brings that up. And when I I asked
him about the,
the exit polling, he said, well, the Trump
Organization
actually did exit polling.
And he said what their exit polling,
showed
was that,
there were a lot of people who had
voted for Trump in 2016
who were fed up with him because of
what happened in 2020 and refused to vote
for him. And so there was a lot
of people
that had, abandoned Trump and a lot of
ballots, he said, where they had,
with it wasn't you you hear people say,
well, if there's rigged election, if they only
voted for the president, they didn't vote down
ballot. He said there's a lot of ballots
where they didn't they voted all down ballot,
but they didn't vote for president.
And, a lot of Republican ballots that were
like that. And so, you know, you look
at some of these things, it's very plausible.
Steve Bannon said on October 31st when he
was meeting with a lot of the Chinese
friends of, this this Chinese billionaire Guo, the
the communist party guy who supposedly now
opposed them, but he's been convicted of fraud.
Anyway,
he was meeting with those people, and on
October 31st,
just a few days before the election, said,
so here's what's going to happen, you know,
whatever happens, we're gonna say, Trump won it.
They're gonna say, no, he didn't. We're gonna
say, you know, f you and all the
rest of it. We're gonna do whatever we
want, you know, that type of thing.
So there was all that kind of stuff
that was happening. The fact that we did,
vote by mail,
to a larger extent than we had ever
done before because the so called pandemic, which
I didn't believe for a moment,
and and then kept that in, you know,
through to the, election with, Georgia on January
the 5th, and we still got that in
place. So there's all these different things that
are there. Yeah. There's cheating going on, and
I told people, I said, yeah. There's never
been an honest election in my lifetime because
it starts with who's on the ballot. If
you're gonna restrict the ballot access and look
at what we're seeing
right now, you know, with, Cornel West and
with r RFK Junior,
they didn't wanna have and the other guy,
Dean, they they don't wanna have any competition
on the Democrat side. And and now all
the people who did vote
for the one candidate,
Biden, they get their vote thrown out, you
know, on the Democrat side. But it begins
with ballot access.
It continues with access to the debates. They
don't wanna have access to debates. So everything
about it is rigged. They talk about how
the news media rigs the information, I think.
But if you, you know, if you control
the ballot and you control the debates, you're
rigging it already.
Yeah. Now, I mean, I agree with all
of that, but I'm also have to say
that it's I'm of the opinion, and maybe
it's not always been this way, but that
our vote really doesn't translate to the outcome
anyway. And And that may just be an
extension of where we are. And but I
agree that, you know, the the point is
that it's it's
it both those things can exist in the
conversation. The the claim is is
self serving and not actually rooted in fact
from Trump, but also that there's cheating on
every side all the time. And it makes
me kinda the where it's going now with
Trump in this election, in my opinion, of
him kind of being the choice in before
all of this, that it kind of all
starts to make a lot more sense using
all of these conversations and it all seems
to be driving it in one clear direction,
which which worries me. So It's driving in
the direction of chaos, I think. And and
Trump is the chaos agent. I've said he's
kind of the Mason Dixon line of the
new civil war.
Yeah. Yeah. I guess everybody
energized on both sides for and against. Big
energy
all around Trump. He's the central focus of
this, and so the question is, are they
gonna put him in office and then, you
know, have this percolate through, you know, a
little bit into the future, or do they
want this incident to happen right now? You
know, they wanna bring it to a head
now. I don't know.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I I I
don't know either, and I don't think anybody
does other than the people, you know, trying
to drive this. But I I let me
let me I was gonna I I want
look. We only have a few a little
bit more time, but I wanted to go
I want let's go into this a little
bit further, actually. So the the election itself
coming, You know? If if I don't know
what you you I don't know if you
agree in general with the idea whether your
vote doesn't translate or not, but that being
one of the potential points in all of
this, how do you see this going? Like,
the complete speculation. But if we're talking about
something that seems to very clearly be driving
chaos, and very well, we could both be
wrong and this could just be organic, but
nonetheless, is still chaotic. Clearly, people are divided.
Clearly, there is very extreme heightened levels of
hatred and vitriol.
So what what where how do you see
this all playing out? Because they're both already
going, they've already cheated or we're gonna have
to cheat to save democracy. Like, it just
it's a ridiculous cartoon at this point. So
what do you think? Yeah. There's no talk
of reform, is there? It's always about vengeance.
Right. Revenge and that type of thing. And
then we know that what they want is
chaos. Alright? Take a look at what Soros
has done. He's installed,
these district attorneys and sometimes state attorneys general,
to
just like criminals out on the street because
he wants chaos. Look at what they did
with Black Lives Matter riots in the summer
of 2020,
But then also look at the chaos that
was imposed,
and and Trump was paying for it. You
know, the the governors were doing it, but
it was, you know, all the people, oh,
it's just the democratic governors. No. It wasn't.
I I see people talking about how Walsh,
bribed teens, a $100,000
you might win if you take the jab.
Well, that was despicable, but, you know, DeWine,
who is a Republican, was,
doing it, I believe, before Walt was, and
he was offering
$1,000,000
if you take the vaccine, you know, as
an incentive. So they were all doing the
same thing, and they're all being paid with
fiat cash out of Washington.
And even though Trump is out there saying,
well, we could have HCQ, we could have
ivermectin,
he he throws that out there like a
straight like like
a
comedian, and then the straight man is Fauci
who says, oh, you're silly, you know, you
can't do that. And Trump could have, manufactured
ivermectin instead of manufacturing ventilators that killed people.
Right. So he could have easily put that
out. So you look at all of this
stuff and you understand that was all about
chaos.
The lockdown and the pandemic was about chaos,
just like the Black Lives Matter stuff was
about chaos.
And, Elon Musk, even though I, you know,
I don't like Elon Musk and I'm really
banned on, on Twitter,
heavily heavily banned on shadow banned on Twitter
still. But,
you know, he he,
he did say something about Soros and about
where elections matter,
and he said, Soros puts his money at
the local level because he gets bigger bang
for his buck. You know, you you start
throwing your money into this these races where
there's a $1,000,000,000 floating around. It's pretty hard
to have an influence, but if you go
into you put a $1,000,000 into a local
race, you can get one of these chaos
agents as a district attorney. And so I
really do believe that it is at the
local level, and I don't wanna just black
people black pill people. I do believe that
there's things that we can do at the
local level. First of all, it starts with
us. Right. And it starts with us getting
our family together, getting our relationship right with
God, learning how to do skills,
starting to grow our own food, meeting our
neighbors, working with our neighbors, starting to try
to get good people in the local office.
I know that that's a really difficult thing,
but you can have more of effect there
than you can in Washington.
Right. And, so, you know, that's where you
need to start focusing
from the bottom up to try to to
build,
systems around yourself,
and and you'll, in the process, have a
richer, fuller life as well if you start
to do something like that. And so I
think they want to focus they want to
isolate us. They want us to focus all
of our hopes and fears on Washington,
and the that is,
the those two things
are just a a path to destruction, and
that's what we really need to, push back
against, I think.
I agree completely. And I I think that's
actually a really good note to end on
right there. I was gonna get a little
bit into Twitter and the kind of overlap
and, you know, the the I I really
the point just to make the same, and
this we were briefly talking before about the
the Garm overlap and how clearly there's this
weird lie about being involved with it by
pertaining to sue it. And, you know, I
think that my concern is that through all
of this, the clearly, Twitter is playing a
central role, but just social media in general
and the kind of divide and
the bots and Israeli bots and the foreign
policy, that clearly it's we're being gamed right
now. And I and I I the concern
is that it's as I pointed out over
the years, it's it it also it's a
teeter it's a teeter totter. You know? COVID
19, I think it's obvious that the left
was far more manipulated, far more focused on.
Now it's going the other direction. I think
primarily with the Israel conversation, but a lot
of different ways. And I just And that
was part of what Trump was able to
bring to the table. He was able to
pacify the people,
in a way that Hillary Clinton couldn't have.
You know, if Hillary Clinton had tried the
same garbage that Trump did in 2020,
the right would have risen up. And so
that's one of the things when you look
going forward, maybe that's what they're how they're
gonna use Trump again. You know, maybe they'll
just use them to kick off a civil
war. Maybe they'll use him to as a
giant pacifier
in the mouth of MAGA.
That's what people choose to start with. That
is a really great and a great horrifying
image and a great great analogy. You know,
I've said that so many times and I
usually reference it with Obama. But my point
is that if, you know, if if it
was you're you're right. If it was Clinton
that won or just any other democrat in
that position, they did a fraction of what
Trump did. Yeah. Of course, that, you know,
during Obama, he would he would blink hard
and they would scream martial law. You know,
it's like it's clear Mhmm. That and we
probably should be, but it was, you know,
literally rolled out production martial law. Literally created
the infrastructure for all of what, you know,
handed the baton off to Biden. You know,
so it just it is terrifying to see
that so many people can't see past that.
And I guess Can you imagine say go
ahead. Let me just say can you imagine
if Obama or Hillary had said, take the
guns and do the due process like Yeah.
Or or don't worry. I can ban the
bumping stocks on my own. I I don't
need to bump
in. It's willful ignorance. You know? People it's
we have they they have their chosen ID
log. We don't want to see it. And
it's quite clearly as I'm sure I'm sure
we both agree, it's on both sides of
that paradigm. It's just your government manipulating you.
But I just this is all just largely
today a call to hope people can stand
back, take a breather, and look and see
the bigger picture and recognize that the government
is trying to play you. You know? And
this is why I respect your work so
much, David, is because you you stand with
your integrity and, you know, you you stand
by your what you believe in clearly through
thick and thin, and I think that deserves
praise. And so thank you for Thank you.
Joining me today and continue to do this
work. And I'd love to connect again as
more chaos ensues and and talk again. I'd
love to. Thank you, Ryan. Yeah. I'm afraid
it's gonna be interesting times, isn't it? And
I just I wanna let you know, look
at what happened in 2020
and how different it was in different jurisdictions,
and that should underscore to you the importance
of things happening at the local level. That's
difficult,
but it's really the only place I think
we've got any hope left, really.
Yeah. I agree. I agree. Well, thank you
for joining me, David, again. And, you know,
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