1 00:00:23,515 --> 00:00:25,434 Welcome to the last American Vagabond. Thank you 2 00:00:25,434 --> 00:00:27,754 for joining me today. I have had the 3 00:00:27,754 --> 00:00:30,234 pleasure to be joined today by David Knight, 4 00:00:30,234 --> 00:00:31,789 somebody who I've been looking forward to talking 5 00:00:31,789 --> 00:00:33,329 with. We have a lot of interesting 6 00:00:33,710 --> 00:00:36,030 overlaps or audience overlap. And and I one 7 00:00:36,030 --> 00:00:37,390 one of the reasons I really wanted to 8 00:00:37,390 --> 00:00:38,510 talk to him on our show, and we 9 00:00:38,590 --> 00:00:40,445 I've been on his show before, is to 10 00:00:40,445 --> 00:00:42,604 discuss some of these different 2 party illusion 11 00:00:42,604 --> 00:00:44,685 aspects which I'm really, you know, I'm always 12 00:00:44,685 --> 00:00:46,125 trying to connect with people out there that 13 00:00:46,125 --> 00:00:47,965 I see that I feel really truly see 14 00:00:47,965 --> 00:00:50,109 through what I think is the biggest kind 15 00:00:50,109 --> 00:00:52,109 of hindrance to change in this conversation or 16 00:00:52,109 --> 00:00:53,950 just in politics in general in the United 17 00:00:53,950 --> 00:00:55,630 States in particular. And so, I wanted to 18 00:00:55,630 --> 00:00:57,229 invite him on today to talk about sort 19 00:00:57,229 --> 00:00:59,549 of the rising problem of the mainstream alternative 20 00:00:59,549 --> 00:01:02,335 media, the the the the conversation we've been 21 00:01:02,335 --> 00:01:04,094 having about the right sort of being played 22 00:01:04,094 --> 00:01:05,694 through a lot of the different dynamics and 23 00:01:05,694 --> 00:01:06,895 just a lot of other things I thought 24 00:01:06,895 --> 00:01:08,334 would be fun to overlap with them today. 25 00:01:08,334 --> 00:01:09,520 So, David, how are you? Good to have 26 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:10,840 you on the show. Thank you, Ryan. It's 27 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,680 great to be on, and and do really 28 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,439 appreciate, the work that you do. Thank you 29 00:01:14,439 --> 00:01:16,280 so much. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. 30 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:17,959 Yeah. And I I really think that the 31 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:19,995 more that we can connect with you know? 32 00:01:19,995 --> 00:01:21,995 And, again, I I'm I'm sure you would 33 00:01:21,995 --> 00:01:23,515 agree. I'm guarantee we have things we don't 34 00:01:23,515 --> 00:01:24,875 agree on. And I think that's what the 35 00:01:24,875 --> 00:01:26,710 important thing is is to kind of realize 36 00:01:26,710 --> 00:01:28,650 that that is okay and have these conversations. 37 00:01:28,790 --> 00:01:30,870 But the focal point for me is to 38 00:01:30,870 --> 00:01:33,030 really continue to highlight and make connections with 39 00:01:33,030 --> 00:01:34,730 people that see the 2 party illusion 40 00:01:35,165 --> 00:01:36,525 as as the one of the biggest problems. 41 00:01:36,525 --> 00:01:37,645 And and maybe we'll just start with that 42 00:01:37,645 --> 00:01:39,885 question. I know you discussed the 2 party 43 00:01:39,885 --> 00:01:42,125 illusion and its problems, but where do you 44 00:01:42,125 --> 00:01:43,484 see that in sort of the hierarchy of 45 00:01:43,484 --> 00:01:45,670 our problems in in the political conversation? 46 00:01:46,450 --> 00:01:48,129 Well, I think that's essential. I and when 47 00:01:48,129 --> 00:01:49,649 we look at what is happening, they've done 48 00:01:49,649 --> 00:01:51,489 everything they can for years. And when all 49 00:01:51,489 --> 00:01:53,109 this stuff started happening in 2020 50 00:01:53,525 --> 00:01:55,604 about contesting the election, I said, well, you 51 00:01:55,604 --> 00:01:56,104 know, 52 00:01:56,405 --> 00:01:59,045 I'm not seeing an honest election yet. There's 53 00:01:59,045 --> 00:02:02,069 always an opportunity for somebody to cheat. And 54 00:02:02,069 --> 00:02:04,629 if you put all of the money and 55 00:02:04,629 --> 00:02:05,129 power, 56 00:02:06,229 --> 00:02:08,150 of a very powerful and wealthy nation like 57 00:02:08,150 --> 00:02:09,615 America, if you put all that 58 00:02:10,014 --> 00:02:12,175 into Washington, what's going to happen? Well, you're 59 00:02:12,175 --> 00:02:14,014 going to see the amount of money being 60 00:02:14,014 --> 00:02:16,435 donated to politicians just grow exponentially. 61 00:02:16,819 --> 00:02:19,139 Mhmm. And they're not really opposing each other. 62 00:02:19,139 --> 00:02:21,300 They're really on the same page. And over 63 00:02:21,300 --> 00:02:22,419 and over again, we see this. When we 64 00:02:22,419 --> 00:02:24,120 look at the pandemic, for example, 65 00:02:24,659 --> 00:02:25,960 why aren't they 66 00:02:26,694 --> 00:02:28,534 calling out the other people? Well, because they 67 00:02:28,534 --> 00:02:29,834 did the same thing themselves. 68 00:02:30,134 --> 00:02:32,534 Right. They all supported this. They they paid 69 00:02:32,534 --> 00:02:34,939 the money for it, and they'll find some 70 00:02:35,239 --> 00:02:37,639 fine point that, something that they did for 71 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,719 example, Republicans, it's safe for them to say, 72 00:02:39,719 --> 00:02:41,574 well, we didn't mandate it. Well, you were 73 00:02:41,574 --> 00:02:43,974 going to. Mhmm. You know? And they already 74 00:02:44,055 --> 00:02:45,254 and the other part of it is is 75 00:02:45,254 --> 00:02:46,235 that they incentivized 76 00:02:46,534 --> 00:02:47,034 it. 77 00:02:47,415 --> 00:02:49,919 The the plan going back to 911, if 78 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,060 you look at what happened, 79 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:52,340 in 2001, 80 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,800 2 months before 9 11, they had the 81 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,560 first one of these germ games, dark winter. 82 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,155 Then a week after, they had the, anthrax 83 00:02:59,294 --> 00:03:01,375 attack. And then 2 months later, they pushed 84 00:03:01,375 --> 00:03:02,435 out model legislation. 85 00:03:02,974 --> 00:03:04,974 And then every year, they practice one of 86 00:03:04,974 --> 00:03:08,069 these germ games, and you had, almost all 87 00:03:08,069 --> 00:03:08,710 the states, 88 00:03:09,110 --> 00:03:12,229 enacted virtually all of that model state health 89 00:03:12,229 --> 00:03:13,594 emergency powers act. 90 00:03:13,995 --> 00:03:15,835 And so they wanted to get around the 91 00:03:15,835 --> 00:03:18,155 10th amendment, and the thing that really enabled 92 00:03:18,155 --> 00:03:20,415 it was having it funded out of Washington. 93 00:03:20,830 --> 00:03:23,009 And, you know, when you declare the emergency 94 00:03:23,310 --> 00:03:23,810 order, 95 00:03:24,349 --> 00:03:26,189 what that does is that releases the money. 96 00:03:26,189 --> 00:03:28,050 In the same way, if you have a 97 00:03:28,110 --> 00:03:30,050 hurricane or something come through an area, 98 00:03:30,375 --> 00:03:32,614 the declaration of an emergency releases the money. 99 00:03:32,614 --> 00:03:33,114 So, 100 00:03:33,414 --> 00:03:35,914 you know, they're they're playing this this phony 101 00:03:36,134 --> 00:03:39,459 dichotomy that is there. They'll find a few 102 00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:42,159 issues where they will oppose each other, and 103 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:44,579 then if it's something that is really egregious, 104 00:03:45,544 --> 00:03:47,384 they might have some hearings or something on 105 00:03:47,384 --> 00:03:49,145 it, but nothing ever happens. They don't cut 106 00:03:49,145 --> 00:03:51,645 the funding. Nothing ever happens. There's not even 107 00:03:51,944 --> 00:03:54,319 a an inquiry about COVID. In the UK, 108 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:55,219 they had an inquiry, 109 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,439 and it was used to cover things up 110 00:03:57,439 --> 00:03:59,199 pretty much like we did with the Warren 111 00:03:59,199 --> 00:04:00,819 Commission and the JFK assassination. 112 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,719 Usually, they'll use a commission to cover it 113 00:04:02,719 --> 00:04:03,685 up, but, evidently, 114 00:04:04,145 --> 00:04:05,985 they felt like there was enough pushback and 115 00:04:05,985 --> 00:04:07,745 resistance from the American people that they even 116 00:04:07,745 --> 00:04:08,805 needed to do that. 117 00:04:09,425 --> 00:04:11,439 Well, what do you think changed? Right? I 118 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:13,919 mean, obviously, it's still the same problematic dynamic. 119 00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:15,680 But like you point out that like, what 120 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,120 I've seen in the past, for example, is 121 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,375 kinda like an unspoken agreement that you won't 122 00:04:19,375 --> 00:04:21,455 try to go after the previous president. Like, 123 00:04:21,455 --> 00:04:22,574 it was kind of it's kind of a 124 00:04:22,574 --> 00:04:25,235 known, unspoken, you know, dynamic, but that's changed. 125 00:04:25,375 --> 00:04:26,814 Right? So what do you see changing in 126 00:04:26,814 --> 00:04:28,175 that and to to where we are today 127 00:04:28,175 --> 00:04:30,709 and how kind of the rules within their 128 00:04:30,709 --> 00:04:31,769 dynamic have changed? 129 00:04:32,149 --> 00:04:34,009 Well, you know, I I think the Republicans, 130 00:04:34,069 --> 00:04:35,129 Democrats, obviously, 131 00:04:35,865 --> 00:04:38,024 these politicians are competing against each other in 132 00:04:38,024 --> 00:04:39,944 this Game of Thrones, and it's for real, 133 00:04:39,944 --> 00:04:41,004 that kind of competition. 134 00:04:41,464 --> 00:04:42,685 But I would I would, 135 00:04:43,144 --> 00:04:45,430 liken it to what I believe happened with 136 00:04:45,430 --> 00:04:47,689 the Internet. The Internet was designed in 1960s 137 00:04:47,910 --> 00:04:49,930 JCR Licklider, a DARPA psychologist, 138 00:04:50,230 --> 00:04:51,365 but they didn't have 139 00:04:51,685 --> 00:04:53,365 the the hardware to pull it off. Once 140 00:04:53,365 --> 00:04:56,004 the switching circuitry got up to the bandwidth 141 00:04:56,004 --> 00:04:57,704 that they needed in the 19 nineties, 142 00:04:58,245 --> 00:05:00,550 CIA came out with In Q Tel, their 143 00:05:00,550 --> 00:05:02,229 own venture capital firm. They went public with 144 00:05:02,229 --> 00:05:04,069 it. They didn't care. And if you look 145 00:05:04,069 --> 00:05:06,149 at so many of these venture capital firms, 146 00:05:06,149 --> 00:05:08,069 they've got people from the CIA, from the 147 00:05:08,069 --> 00:05:10,455 NSA, and all these different agencies that are 148 00:05:10,455 --> 00:05:12,475 setting on the venture capital firms. 149 00:05:12,775 --> 00:05:13,275 They, 150 00:05:13,814 --> 00:05:15,335 gave a lot of money to a lot 151 00:05:15,335 --> 00:05:17,574 of different competitors and then set back and 152 00:05:17,574 --> 00:05:19,919 made the best men win. They wanted to 153 00:05:19,919 --> 00:05:21,139 have a competition 154 00:05:21,599 --> 00:05:23,519 to fine tune that, and they wanna have 155 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:25,599 a competition between the political parties because they 156 00:05:25,599 --> 00:05:26,745 wanna make it look real, 157 00:05:27,144 --> 00:05:29,704 when in reality they're both essentially on the 158 00:05:29,704 --> 00:05:31,944 on the vital issues. They're taking orders from 159 00:05:31,944 --> 00:05:33,464 the same people in the in the same 160 00:05:33,464 --> 00:05:34,665 way that when you go back and you 161 00:05:34,665 --> 00:05:35,199 look at, 162 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,040 the George h w Bush and, Jimmy Carter 163 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,879 election, right, it was clear they wanted to 164 00:05:40,879 --> 00:05:41,939 push through NAFTA. 165 00:05:42,694 --> 00:05:45,175 The the flying the ointment was Ross Perot 166 00:05:45,175 --> 00:05:46,375 at that point in time, but they were 167 00:05:46,375 --> 00:05:48,935 both, the Republicans, Democrats wanted to push through 168 00:05:48,935 --> 00:05:51,060 NAFTA regardless of who got in. When you 169 00:05:51,060 --> 00:05:54,419 look at Romney versus Obama, they wanted to 170 00:05:54,419 --> 00:05:54,919 get, 171 00:05:55,300 --> 00:05:58,099 Obamacare or Romneycare, which had already same thing 172 00:05:58,099 --> 00:05:59,319 had been done in Massachusetts, 173 00:05:59,925 --> 00:06:03,285 Mitt Romney with, Ted Kennedy. Either Republican or 174 00:06:03,285 --> 00:06:04,964 Democrat, you're still gonna get that key thing. 175 00:06:04,964 --> 00:06:06,644 So they got a key that they wanna 176 00:06:06,644 --> 00:06:08,665 run through. But they wanna have 177 00:06:09,810 --> 00:06:10,550 this idea 178 00:06:11,089 --> 00:06:13,170 that this is the most important election of 179 00:06:13,170 --> 00:06:13,910 your life. 180 00:06:14,370 --> 00:06:17,009 Every time. Every time. Every 4 years is 181 00:06:17,009 --> 00:06:18,985 the most important election of your life, and 182 00:06:18,985 --> 00:06:21,064 and you've gotta vote for the lesser two 183 00:06:21,064 --> 00:06:22,425 evils. I know you don't like this guy, 184 00:06:22,425 --> 00:06:24,345 but isn't that other guy really horrible? And 185 00:06:24,345 --> 00:06:27,245 by keeping the the dynamics of 2 people, 186 00:06:27,449 --> 00:06:28,970 it allows them to do that. If you 187 00:06:28,970 --> 00:06:30,350 were to bring in a 3rd, 188 00:06:30,810 --> 00:06:31,310 person, 189 00:06:31,689 --> 00:06:33,850 that really messes that up. And because then 190 00:06:33,850 --> 00:06:35,814 you have to start talking about issues. And 191 00:06:35,814 --> 00:06:37,014 I think one of the things that's really 192 00:06:37,014 --> 00:06:38,394 helped us a great deal 193 00:06:38,694 --> 00:06:40,314 and why they're going after, 194 00:06:40,694 --> 00:06:42,475 other people more specifically 195 00:06:43,550 --> 00:06:45,389 is because of Trump. And I think, you 196 00:06:45,389 --> 00:06:47,150 know, the fact that he's he's there and 197 00:06:47,150 --> 00:06:47,470 he's, 198 00:06:48,029 --> 00:06:50,189 got some sharp elbows and he's pushing things 199 00:06:50,189 --> 00:06:52,129 around, they they push back. Now 200 00:06:52,714 --> 00:06:54,634 I I would be surprised to see them 201 00:06:54,634 --> 00:06:56,334 put him in jail. It's one thing 202 00:06:56,634 --> 00:07:00,154 to convict somebody of felonies and to destroy 203 00:07:00,154 --> 00:07:01,879 their reputation, that type of thing, But if 204 00:07:01,879 --> 00:07:03,720 you cross that Rubicon of putting your opponent 205 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,480 in jail, that means that the next election 206 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,720 you lose, you're likely to go to jail 207 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,800 as well. So we'll see what happens with 208 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,345 it. I don't know if you saw what 209 00:07:11,345 --> 00:07:14,144 happened, the last 24 hours. We had Scott 210 00:07:14,144 --> 00:07:16,064 Ritter's house, the the guy who was the 211 00:07:16,064 --> 00:07:18,785 weapons inspector who pushed back against the lies 212 00:07:18,785 --> 00:07:19,959 on the Iraq war. 213 00:07:20,439 --> 00:07:21,500 His house was raided, 214 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,199 and he said they're coming after him for 215 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:26,939 a supposed FARA violation of foreign agent registration 216 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,384 act violation. It's it's not not true, but 217 00:07:29,384 --> 00:07:31,645 they took away a dozen boxes of electronics 218 00:07:31,705 --> 00:07:33,944 and things like that and then, to go 219 00:07:33,944 --> 00:07:35,944 fishing. And then at the same time, 220 00:07:36,345 --> 00:07:38,289 within about the last 24 hours or so, 221 00:07:38,289 --> 00:07:39,430 there's been several stories, 222 00:07:40,050 --> 00:07:42,769 about, Chelsea Gabbard who is now on the 223 00:07:42,769 --> 00:07:43,669 Quiet Skies 224 00:07:43,970 --> 00:07:46,229 watch list, and they've got marshals 225 00:07:47,064 --> 00:07:50,264 following her around everywhere she flies. They've got 226 00:07:50,264 --> 00:07:52,764 5 to 7 people following her around, 227 00:07:53,144 --> 00:07:55,560 and that began the day after she criticized 228 00:07:55,699 --> 00:07:58,180 La la Harris. I call her Kamala or 229 00:07:58,419 --> 00:08:00,099 Mhmm. Pamela. I call her La la because 230 00:08:00,099 --> 00:08:01,620 she's kinda ditzy. But, 231 00:08:02,584 --> 00:08:04,685 but, they as soon as she criticized, 232 00:08:05,064 --> 00:08:05,564 Harris 233 00:08:06,105 --> 00:08:08,425 on Fox News, that order was issued the 234 00:08:08,425 --> 00:08:10,125 next day. And these are whistleblowers 235 00:08:10,504 --> 00:08:13,310 from inside the air marshal program who don't 236 00:08:13,310 --> 00:08:14,990 like this, and we shouldn't any of us 237 00:08:14,990 --> 00:08:16,990 tolerate that type of thing. Well, let me 238 00:08:16,990 --> 00:08:18,509 ask you this. So with Gabbard, like, I 239 00:08:18,509 --> 00:08:20,449 think Scott Ritter stands out as obvious 240 00:08:20,764 --> 00:08:22,685 political persecution. I mean, it may all very 241 00:08:22,685 --> 00:08:23,425 well may be. 242 00:08:23,964 --> 00:08:25,644 But you make the point about Trump. And 243 00:08:25,644 --> 00:08:27,564 what I think is interesting or or Gabbard 244 00:08:27,564 --> 00:08:29,879 for that same point is it I mean, 245 00:08:29,879 --> 00:08:31,319 obviously, I at least it for I think 246 00:08:31,319 --> 00:08:33,159 it show he plays the game. Let me 247 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:34,759 ask you this as straightforward. Do are you 248 00:08:34,839 --> 00:08:37,100 do you see it as Donald Trump 249 00:08:37,634 --> 00:08:39,634 being within that game as part of the 250 00:08:39,634 --> 00:08:41,475 problem, but simply as you said, the elbows, 251 00:08:41,475 --> 00:08:42,754 like, he's sort of a wild card and 252 00:08:42,754 --> 00:08:44,514 that's kinda pressuring him back to stay in 253 00:08:44,514 --> 00:08:46,190 line or that he is outside of that? 254 00:08:46,269 --> 00:08:47,389 And then how do you see Gabbard in 255 00:08:47,389 --> 00:08:49,309 the same conversation? Are they being persecuted? Are 256 00:08:49,309 --> 00:08:50,750 they is this meant to make us feel 257 00:08:50,750 --> 00:08:52,429 that that's the case and that's there's something 258 00:08:52,429 --> 00:08:53,169 different happening? 259 00:08:53,524 --> 00:08:55,365 Well, I I like, the way it was 260 00:08:55,365 --> 00:08:56,825 described by Dave Chappelle. 261 00:08:57,205 --> 00:08:57,705 He 262 00:08:58,325 --> 00:09:00,245 he said, you know, here's Trump. He comes 263 00:09:00,245 --> 00:09:00,884 out of this inside, 264 00:09:02,110 --> 00:09:03,550 there's this big club, and he walks out 265 00:09:03,550 --> 00:09:05,389 of the outside. He tells you exactly all 266 00:09:05,389 --> 00:09:07,550 the garbage that's going on there, and then 267 00:09:07,550 --> 00:09:09,250 he walks back in and joins it again. 268 00:09:10,315 --> 00:09:12,235 So it is this back and forth with 269 00:09:12,235 --> 00:09:15,055 Trump. He really is a wild card because, 270 00:09:15,195 --> 00:09:16,654 you know, he comes from a background 271 00:09:17,269 --> 00:09:19,590 of celebrity and entertainment and all the same. 272 00:09:19,590 --> 00:09:21,129 And and, you know, just like, 273 00:09:21,509 --> 00:09:23,990 you know, Kamala, he's a chameleon as well. 274 00:09:23,990 --> 00:09:26,034 I mean, they're all chameleons. They don't really 275 00:09:26,034 --> 00:09:28,355 have any principles. They don't wanna have a 276 00:09:28,355 --> 00:09:30,434 debate even anymore. They don't even wanna pretend 277 00:09:30,434 --> 00:09:33,075 to have an election. So, I think that, 278 00:09:33,315 --> 00:09:35,029 yeah, he's he's wise to all that, but 279 00:09:35,190 --> 00:09:36,810 his game is simply 280 00:09:37,670 --> 00:09:39,350 is simply a power game. And if he 281 00:09:39,350 --> 00:09:41,509 gets that throne and he's been pretty upfront 282 00:09:41,509 --> 00:09:42,649 about that, surprisingly. 283 00:09:43,430 --> 00:09:46,304 And and so he has said, yeah. I 284 00:09:46,304 --> 00:09:48,465 gave money to La la when she was, 285 00:09:48,625 --> 00:09:49,365 in California. 286 00:09:49,825 --> 00:09:52,384 That's my job to, you know, to buy 287 00:09:52,384 --> 00:09:53,365 things from politicians. 288 00:09:53,839 --> 00:09:55,279 And so that's why he wants to be 289 00:09:55,279 --> 00:09:57,600 a politician because he wants people paying him 290 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,279 instead of him paying other people like the 291 00:09:59,279 --> 00:10:01,774 godfather, you know. It's Right. It's that kind 292 00:10:01,774 --> 00:10:04,054 of and he's upfront about it. Doesn't even 293 00:10:04,054 --> 00:10:06,375 really care. The other thing that's interesting is 294 00:10:06,375 --> 00:10:08,695 that that Joe Biden with Joe Biden there 295 00:10:08,695 --> 00:10:10,534 or la la there, people are saying, wait 296 00:10:10,534 --> 00:10:12,279 a minute. The president's not really doing anything. 297 00:10:12,279 --> 00:10:14,600 There's somebody that we're not seeing who's actually 298 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,200 running the show because he can't tie his 299 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,279 shoes. Right. Well, so you make the point 300 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:20,644 about Trump, you know, essentially not, like I 301 00:10:20,644 --> 00:10:22,325 guess, I kinda took as your point is 302 00:10:22,325 --> 00:10:23,605 that he didn't actually go to prison. He 303 00:10:23,605 --> 00:10:24,884 didn't get charged. And because, like, the worry 304 00:10:24,884 --> 00:10:25,845 would be that if you did that, then 305 00:10:25,845 --> 00:10:27,605 it would be reciprocal. So that makes me 306 00:10:27,605 --> 00:10:28,884 think that you feel that it's sort of 307 00:10:28,884 --> 00:10:30,440 a a theater to a degree. Right? Yeah. 308 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,040 And it and at the at the idea 309 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:32,540 being 310 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,160 that, ultimately, it's to make people think that 311 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,779 he is the kind of 312 00:10:37,294 --> 00:10:39,134 persecuted hero. You know? So I find it 313 00:10:39,134 --> 00:10:40,975 hard not to see that as, you know, 314 00:10:40,975 --> 00:10:44,014 somebody who is perpetuating the problem. You know? 315 00:10:44,014 --> 00:10:45,454 But, I mean, I I I will say 316 00:10:45,454 --> 00:10:47,019 right out of the gate that I, like, 317 00:10:47,019 --> 00:10:48,379 I think we all said the same thing. 318 00:10:48,379 --> 00:10:49,899 Like, the one thing I like about him 319 00:10:49,899 --> 00:10:51,899 is that he really does you know, we're 320 00:10:51,899 --> 00:10:53,180 there for the oil. It's like, well, good. 321 00:10:53,180 --> 00:10:54,460 At least I that's wrong and it's a 322 00:10:54,460 --> 00:10:55,660 crime, but at least I like that he's 323 00:10:55,660 --> 00:10:56,977 telling us that. You know? And that's that's 324 00:10:57,189 --> 00:10:58,889 I think everybody could agree on that. And 325 00:10:58,889 --> 00:11:01,013 so that's Yeah. Maybe why there's sort of 326 00:11:01,013 --> 00:11:02,712 a pushback on, you know, hey. Don't be 327 00:11:02,712 --> 00:11:04,360 so so much of a wild card. You 328 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:05,480 know? So I don't know. I I think 329 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:06,840 I think that we agree on that. So 330 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,840 it's interesting. So where do you where do 331 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,679 you see that going as this goes into 332 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,120 the election, I guess, in a broader question? 333 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,399 I I didn't plan to get into this 334 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:15,544 necessarily, but I I find it interesting to 335 00:11:15,544 --> 00:11:17,144 see how that plays out. Like, to me, 336 00:11:17,144 --> 00:11:19,144 that sounds like, well, we're gonna lose either 337 00:11:19,144 --> 00:11:21,065 way because everybody in there is playing the 338 00:11:21,065 --> 00:11:22,345 game. I mean, I think that's that's how 339 00:11:22,345 --> 00:11:24,820 I feel anyway. I agree. What what I've 340 00:11:24,820 --> 00:11:26,820 told people is I said, look, you know, 341 00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:28,419 vote for whoever you wanna vote for if 342 00:11:28,419 --> 00:11:30,279 you wanna vote. I'm not interested, 343 00:11:31,665 --> 00:11:33,264 in voting with either one of these guys, 344 00:11:33,264 --> 00:11:34,625 but look. I'm not gonna fight you if 345 00:11:34,625 --> 00:11:36,384 you wanna vote for somebody, but what I 346 00:11:36,384 --> 00:11:39,000 will fight you over is joining the cult. 347 00:11:39,139 --> 00:11:41,560 Mhmm. What I'll fight you over is going 348 00:11:41,620 --> 00:11:43,139 into a civil war for one of these 349 00:11:43,139 --> 00:11:44,980 people, and I'm seeing this a lot. And 350 00:11:44,980 --> 00:11:47,295 this is a narrative that's kind of, really 351 00:11:47,295 --> 00:11:49,134 escalating. Just this last week, we had Jon 352 00:11:49,134 --> 00:11:50,735 Voigt saying, well, that's it. You know, it's 353 00:11:50,735 --> 00:11:52,254 gonna be civil war, and we've heard some 354 00:11:52,254 --> 00:11:53,935 of this talk before. We've heard some of 355 00:11:53,935 --> 00:11:55,889 it from Steve Bannon and from Alex Jones 356 00:11:55,889 --> 00:11:57,730 and people like that. But, you know, they 357 00:11:57,730 --> 00:11:59,730 they keep pushing it. Jon Voigt does it. 358 00:11:59,730 --> 00:12:01,490 And then Biden says, well, I don't think 359 00:12:01,490 --> 00:12:03,294 there's gonna be a peaceful transfer of power. 360 00:12:03,534 --> 00:12:05,054 You know? And and so we got both 361 00:12:05,054 --> 00:12:06,174 the left and the right, and you got 362 00:12:06,174 --> 00:12:09,375 Jamie Raskin saying, we're if Donald Trump wins, 363 00:12:09,375 --> 00:12:11,615 we're gonna fight him on the 14th amendment. 364 00:12:11,615 --> 00:12:12,950 We're not gonna let him get in there. 365 00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:14,950 I think they're setting us up with this 366 00:12:14,950 --> 00:12:16,790 Hegelian thing. I think they're setting us up 367 00:12:16,790 --> 00:12:18,710 for civil war, and and here's what I'm 368 00:12:18,710 --> 00:12:19,610 concerned about. 369 00:12:19,990 --> 00:12:21,370 I talk a lot about 370 00:12:21,684 --> 00:12:23,605 the 4th turning, and and I don't know 371 00:12:23,605 --> 00:12:25,205 if you're familiar with that or not, but, 372 00:12:25,605 --> 00:12:27,605 you know, Strauss and Howe's book, they wrote 373 00:12:27,764 --> 00:12:30,165 in the early nineties, they wrote generations, and 374 00:12:30,165 --> 00:12:31,879 then they followed it up, like, 2 years 375 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:34,360 later with a 4th turning. The reason we 376 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,440 use the terms millennial and things like that 377 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,199 is because those are things that they coined. 378 00:12:38,199 --> 00:12:40,039 They said, you know, we've got generations that 379 00:12:40,039 --> 00:12:41,284 are about 20 years apart 380 00:12:41,764 --> 00:12:44,105 And, they said, in every 4th generation, 381 00:12:44,644 --> 00:12:46,345 we have a major restructuring 382 00:12:46,725 --> 00:12:47,544 of society. 383 00:12:48,084 --> 00:12:50,259 And they did that based on going back 384 00:12:50,259 --> 00:12:52,339 to American history and then going back actually 385 00:12:52,339 --> 00:12:54,579 500 years to English history because it said 386 00:12:54,579 --> 00:12:56,579 English and American history were kinda synced up. 387 00:12:56,579 --> 00:12:58,774 Now they say we're synced up globally. So 388 00:12:58,774 --> 00:12:59,975 they said in the early nineties, sometime in 389 00:12:59,975 --> 00:13:01,574 the mid 2000s, there'll be some kind of 390 00:13:01,574 --> 00:13:03,914 an economic disruption that'll be global. 391 00:13:04,294 --> 00:13:06,930 2000 and seven, 2,008 that happened. And then 392 00:13:06,930 --> 00:13:08,370 they said, and then there'll be a 4th 393 00:13:08,370 --> 00:13:11,649 turning that'll end sometime around 2029. And isn't 394 00:13:11,649 --> 00:13:13,410 it interesting that all the globalists want their 395 00:13:13,410 --> 00:13:15,190 new society in place by 2030? 396 00:13:15,754 --> 00:13:17,695 Now all of these 4th turnings are typically 397 00:13:17,754 --> 00:13:18,414 a war, 398 00:13:19,355 --> 00:13:20,955 they they typically have a war, but they 399 00:13:20,955 --> 00:13:23,709 always have an economic component to it. And 400 00:13:23,709 --> 00:13:25,970 usually it's because people are sick and tired 401 00:13:26,029 --> 00:13:28,990 of these institutions. They're corrupt. They wanna change 402 00:13:28,990 --> 00:13:30,370 everything. And so 403 00:13:30,725 --> 00:13:32,404 when we, look at the time that we're 404 00:13:32,404 --> 00:13:34,084 in, there's not much time left. It's gonna 405 00:13:34,084 --> 00:13:36,485 be this next administration where a lot of 406 00:13:36,485 --> 00:13:38,245 things are going to happen, and I think 407 00:13:38,245 --> 00:13:39,304 everything is getting 408 00:13:39,889 --> 00:13:41,750 is getting weird. It's accelerating, 409 00:13:42,210 --> 00:13:43,970 and I think we're gonna continue to see 410 00:13:43,970 --> 00:13:46,450 that. And I've said since I've been talking 411 00:13:46,450 --> 00:13:48,529 about this since I've been on air, and 412 00:13:48,529 --> 00:13:49,190 I said, 413 00:13:49,664 --> 00:13:50,884 this 4th turning, 414 00:13:51,345 --> 00:13:52,625 I don't know if it's gonna be you 415 00:13:52,625 --> 00:13:54,144 know, the previous 4th turning was the Great 416 00:13:54,144 --> 00:13:55,904 Depression World War 2, prior to that, the 417 00:13:55,904 --> 00:13:58,304 Civil War, prior to that, the American Revolution. 418 00:13:58,304 --> 00:14:00,179 I said, I don't know if it's going 419 00:14:00,179 --> 00:14:02,120 to be a world war and a depression 420 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:04,659 and a civil war and a revolution. It 421 00:14:04,659 --> 00:14:06,500 could be all 3 if we're not, if 422 00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:07,934 we're unfortunate here. But, 423 00:14:08,335 --> 00:14:09,695 I don't really know what's gonna happen, but 424 00:14:09,695 --> 00:14:11,475 I do know that they understand 425 00:14:11,774 --> 00:14:14,115 the timing. That's why they're talking about 2030. 426 00:14:14,575 --> 00:14:16,740 They understand the timing. The vast majority of 427 00:14:16,740 --> 00:14:19,059 Americans don't understand what's going on. They're just 428 00:14:19,059 --> 00:14:19,559 reacting 429 00:14:20,019 --> 00:14:22,040 to what these people are throwing at us. 430 00:14:22,660 --> 00:14:24,365 Yeah. Exactly. Which I call the, you know, 431 00:14:24,365 --> 00:14:25,964 kind of the cat dangly cat toy kind 432 00:14:25,964 --> 00:14:27,404 of thing. Every new story is like, look 433 00:14:27,404 --> 00:14:28,845 over here, you know, and something else goes 434 00:14:28,845 --> 00:14:30,125 on. But I wanna come back to the 435 00:14:30,125 --> 00:14:31,565 civil war part. I really do want I 436 00:14:31,565 --> 00:14:33,209 wanna make sure we discuss that. But because 437 00:14:33,209 --> 00:14:34,230 we're talking about 438 00:14:34,690 --> 00:14:36,929 the the behind the scenes entity. What you 439 00:14:36,929 --> 00:14:38,690 made a great point about how in the 440 00:14:38,690 --> 00:14:39,190 past, 441 00:14:39,649 --> 00:14:40,149 the 442 00:14:40,704 --> 00:14:42,464 the the technology got to a point or 443 00:14:42,464 --> 00:14:44,004 that that rather than they had a plan 444 00:14:44,384 --> 00:14:46,065 that wasn't able to be initiated because the 445 00:14:46,065 --> 00:14:47,904 technology wasn't there. And, eventually, it was, and 446 00:14:47,904 --> 00:14:49,450 it got rolled out. The Internet cover I 447 00:14:49,450 --> 00:14:50,730 mean, I see the same thing happening, which 448 00:14:50,730 --> 00:14:52,809 I'm sure you agree with in regard to, 449 00:14:52,809 --> 00:14:54,670 I mean, any number of directions. The nanotechnology, 450 00:14:54,970 --> 00:14:57,290 the great reason, the injections, the mRNA, like, 451 00:14:57,290 --> 00:14:58,625 these have been laid out for a long 452 00:14:58,625 --> 00:15:00,544 time, and now suddenly it's happening. And so 453 00:15:00,544 --> 00:15:02,225 I would argue that's why we've seen this 454 00:15:02,225 --> 00:15:04,625 kind of initiation of this next phase. But 455 00:15:04,625 --> 00:15:05,845 you mentioned the people, 456 00:15:06,459 --> 00:15:08,620 the the the same people behind all of 457 00:15:08,620 --> 00:15:09,899 them. How do what do you view that 458 00:15:09,899 --> 00:15:11,339 as? I mean, it's it's kind of a 459 00:15:11,339 --> 00:15:13,339 nebulous thing. Right? Whether it's the the behind 460 00:15:13,339 --> 00:15:15,179 the scenes ruling factions or whatever. But what 461 00:15:15,179 --> 00:15:16,924 do you see that as? Well, you know, 462 00:15:16,924 --> 00:15:18,445 I'm I'm a Christian, and so when I 463 00:15:18,445 --> 00:15:19,565 look at this, a lot of people look 464 00:15:19,565 --> 00:15:21,565 and say, well, we got these interlocking families, 465 00:15:21,565 --> 00:15:23,404 or we've got these organizations, or we got 466 00:15:23,404 --> 00:15:25,125 the Freemasons, or the Illuminati, or we got 467 00:15:25,125 --> 00:15:25,231 the Rothschilds, or this, that. Those are all 468 00:15:25,231 --> 00:15:25,860 factors in that. Right. But, you know, a 469 00:15:25,860 --> 00:15:27,803 or this and that. Those are all factors 470 00:15:27,803 --> 00:15:28,019 in that. Right. But, you know, ultimately, I 471 00:15:28,019 --> 00:15:29,139 look at this as a Christian, as a 472 00:15:29,139 --> 00:15:29,860 spiritual war. And so, 473 00:15:33,995 --> 00:15:36,154 that's why I think this continues to go 474 00:15:36,154 --> 00:15:37,694 in a particular direction. 475 00:15:38,394 --> 00:15:39,834 But when we look at the people who 476 00:15:39,834 --> 00:15:42,529 are actually the actual people who are are 477 00:15:42,529 --> 00:15:43,750 doing this type of thing, 478 00:15:45,009 --> 00:15:46,389 again, it is, 479 00:15:47,090 --> 00:15:48,549 there there is a definite 480 00:15:49,975 --> 00:15:51,575 move towards this, and we can see all 481 00:15:51,575 --> 00:15:52,715 of these different institutions 482 00:15:53,254 --> 00:15:54,934 that you can identify who've been talking about 483 00:15:54,934 --> 00:15:56,794 this for decades. I mean, I 484 00:15:57,254 --> 00:16:00,230 I refer to it as, kind of Hitchcock's 485 00:16:00,610 --> 00:16:01,110 MacGuffin. 486 00:16:01,410 --> 00:16:02,850 Yeah, he would talk about, well, they're all 487 00:16:02,850 --> 00:16:04,610 chasing MacGuffin. What is the MacGuffin? Well, it 488 00:16:04,610 --> 00:16:06,304 could be the Maltese Falcon, or it could 489 00:16:06,304 --> 00:16:08,304 be the plans for a new airplane or 490 00:16:08,304 --> 00:16:10,544 something like that, but it's whatever motivates the 491 00:16:10,544 --> 00:16:13,125 characters. It doesn't really matter itself. 492 00:16:13,690 --> 00:16:15,949 And so the pandemic was a MacGuffin. 493 00:16:16,570 --> 00:16:18,570 The climate change stuff is a MacGuffin. What 494 00:16:18,570 --> 00:16:20,329 they really want out of those things is 495 00:16:20,329 --> 00:16:20,829 to 496 00:16:21,564 --> 00:16:23,884 tag us and to track us and to 497 00:16:23,884 --> 00:16:26,044 depopulate us and all these other things, and 498 00:16:26,044 --> 00:16:27,485 all of those things flow into it. You 499 00:16:27,485 --> 00:16:28,605 know, when you go back and look at 500 00:16:28,605 --> 00:16:29,179 the climate, 501 00:16:29,820 --> 00:16:31,120 McGuffin, for example, 502 00:16:31,740 --> 00:16:33,659 in the late 19 sixties, you had Paul 503 00:16:33,659 --> 00:16:35,740 Ehrlich who's doing the population bomb and things 504 00:16:35,740 --> 00:16:37,679 like that, the Club of Rome, and then 505 00:16:38,184 --> 00:16:39,324 they move it into, 506 00:16:40,664 --> 00:16:42,584 the climate and the environment. First, it was 507 00:16:42,584 --> 00:16:44,424 about cleaning up pollution and everything. We got 508 00:16:44,424 --> 00:16:46,629 too many people, too much pollution, And then 509 00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:48,950 it became about a new ice age. And 510 00:16:48,950 --> 00:16:50,389 they did that for about 8 years, and 511 00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:52,149 all of a sudden, they just flipped the 512 00:16:52,149 --> 00:16:54,825 switch and is now about global warming. But 513 00:16:54,825 --> 00:16:57,325 they still wanted to do the same things. 514 00:16:57,625 --> 00:16:58,745 And so it's like, well, wait a minute. 515 00:16:58,745 --> 00:17:00,605 How do you have the same solution 516 00:17:00,985 --> 00:17:01,804 for both 517 00:17:02,629 --> 00:17:04,970 for both of these things when they're diametrically 518 00:17:05,349 --> 00:17:06,869 opposite of each other? And then they did 519 00:17:06,869 --> 00:17:09,769 it again with the with the, a pandemic. 520 00:17:10,345 --> 00:17:12,984 Same type of stuff, tag tag us and 521 00:17:12,984 --> 00:17:14,984 track us and reduce the number of people 522 00:17:14,984 --> 00:17:16,825 and all the rest of this stuff. So, 523 00:17:17,384 --> 00:17:18,765 you know, they they have 524 00:17:19,089 --> 00:17:21,509 this agenda that they want to move towards 525 00:17:21,809 --> 00:17:24,049 where they have global governance, whether or not 526 00:17:24,049 --> 00:17:27,105 you see a an actual physical place of 527 00:17:27,105 --> 00:17:28,625 where the government is going to be or 528 00:17:28,625 --> 00:17:30,944 whether it's just this, you know, 529 00:17:31,585 --> 00:17:34,545 this network of of agreements behind the scenes 530 00:17:34,545 --> 00:17:35,960 and that type of thing. I think it 531 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:36,860 is very interesting. 532 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,019 Several times, I went to the Bilderberg, 533 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:39,900 group, 534 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:43,160 and that's always super quiet and, you you 535 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,160 know, like, they you can't hardly ever get 536 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:45,484 pictures. 537 00:17:52,365 --> 00:17:52,865 We 538 00:17:53,470 --> 00:17:55,250 which would typically happen in June 539 00:17:55,630 --> 00:17:57,809 sometime around that time, but 3, you know, 540 00:17:58,670 --> 00:18:00,529 in January, they would have Davos 541 00:18:01,095 --> 00:18:03,174 and there they wanted everybody to see everything 542 00:18:03,174 --> 00:18:04,775 that they were doing. And they bring celebrities 543 00:18:04,775 --> 00:18:06,695 in and everything. It's like, what's up with 544 00:18:06,695 --> 00:18:08,055 that? You know, when you look at Davos, 545 00:18:08,055 --> 00:18:10,690 you've got Klaus Schwab. He's the prototypical 546 00:18:11,069 --> 00:18:12,289 James Bond Nazi. 547 00:18:13,150 --> 00:18:15,470 It's almost it's all these characters are straight 548 00:18:15,470 --> 00:18:17,934 out of central casting. Right. And, you know, 549 00:18:17,934 --> 00:18:20,014 they want you to see this, and they 550 00:18:20,014 --> 00:18:21,534 want you to focus on what they're gonna 551 00:18:21,534 --> 00:18:23,375 show you at Davos. And so part of 552 00:18:23,375 --> 00:18:25,134 it is a revelation of method, and part 553 00:18:25,134 --> 00:18:27,580 of it is, a distraction away from the 554 00:18:27,580 --> 00:18:29,099 real business that's being done at some of 555 00:18:29,099 --> 00:18:31,820 these other meetings, and there's so many of 556 00:18:31,820 --> 00:18:33,820 these different organizations. I just mentioned a couple 557 00:18:33,820 --> 00:18:34,559 of them, Bilderberg, 558 00:18:34,914 --> 00:18:36,355 Club of Rome, but there's so many of 559 00:18:36,355 --> 00:18:38,855 them. That's where the real, work gets done. 560 00:18:39,075 --> 00:18:40,835 Yeah. What's interesting there is that I I 561 00:18:40,835 --> 00:18:42,434 often point this out that I I mean, 562 00:18:42,434 --> 00:18:44,034 I agree with you entirely, but I also 563 00:18:44,034 --> 00:18:44,534 wonder 564 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:47,359 because we're aware of what Bilderberg is to 565 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,119 such a degree that it's basically a talking 566 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,440 point. It's like a general conversation these days. 567 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,440 I just wonder whether that's even what you 568 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,634 know, that it's been moved somewhere else. Right? 569 00:18:55,634 --> 00:18:57,634 That they still have that. There's no name. 570 00:18:57,634 --> 00:18:58,755 You know? And the reason I bring that 571 00:18:58,755 --> 00:19:00,755 up is because I wanna kind of quickly 572 00:19:00,755 --> 00:19:02,355 overlap this. I mean, it's a very esoteric 573 00:19:02,355 --> 00:19:04,730 and, like, gigantic conversation, but you recently made 574 00:19:04,730 --> 00:19:06,029 a post about the Olympics. 575 00:19:06,809 --> 00:19:08,490 And Matt Ehret put up an article today 576 00:19:08,490 --> 00:19:10,970 for TLab that brings this really deep into 577 00:19:10,970 --> 00:19:12,890 the paganism and the symbolism and all the 578 00:19:12,890 --> 00:19:14,724 stuff that was involved there, but brings it 579 00:19:14,724 --> 00:19:15,944 back to a really interesting 580 00:19:16,404 --> 00:19:19,384 kind of duopoly conversation that goes back centuries. 581 00:19:19,605 --> 00:19:21,365 You know, the idea of how these same 582 00:19:21,365 --> 00:19:23,259 powers, in a lot of ways showing from, 583 00:19:23,259 --> 00:19:25,019 like, you know, Christianity and and, you know, 584 00:19:25,019 --> 00:19:28,220 different Abrahamic religions sort of being infiltrated by 585 00:19:28,220 --> 00:19:31,454 these pagans to intentionally bring things down. And 586 00:19:31,454 --> 00:19:33,214 the idea being that for this very long 587 00:19:33,214 --> 00:19:35,454 period of time, we've been dealing with this 588 00:19:35,454 --> 00:19:37,619 kind of infiltrations and the sort of, again, 589 00:19:37,619 --> 00:19:39,460 a 2 party type of illusion. And my 590 00:19:39,460 --> 00:19:40,500 point is I see that in a way 591 00:19:40,500 --> 00:19:42,420 with what we're talking about where you've got 592 00:19:42,420 --> 00:19:43,240 the Davos 593 00:19:43,779 --> 00:19:45,380 forward facing, this is what we want you 594 00:19:45,380 --> 00:19:46,579 to see and then the other one over 595 00:19:46,579 --> 00:19:48,125 here and and, really, both of them are 596 00:19:48,125 --> 00:19:50,125 frauds. Then maybe it's somewhere else happening entirely, 597 00:19:50,125 --> 00:19:51,964 and we get trapped in these kind of 598 00:19:51,964 --> 00:19:54,125 binary ways to look at things. So you 599 00:19:54,125 --> 00:19:56,045 you may you you meant, made a post 600 00:19:56,045 --> 00:19:58,349 about the Olympics and on all the conversation 601 00:19:58,349 --> 00:19:59,710 there. So, 1, I just wanted your thoughts 602 00:19:59,710 --> 00:20:01,710 on that and how you see that. His 603 00:20:01,710 --> 00:20:03,470 point was that ultimately what we're seeing from 604 00:20:03,789 --> 00:20:05,970 well, you know, through France and the location, 605 00:20:06,244 --> 00:20:07,144 but the elitist 606 00:20:07,605 --> 00:20:10,345 sort of projecting this new change into 607 00:20:10,805 --> 00:20:12,484 you know, I like a Malthusian kind of 608 00:20:12,484 --> 00:20:14,539 mind belief of where we're, you know, it's 609 00:20:14,539 --> 00:20:16,380 okay doing wrong things is sort of a 610 00:20:16,380 --> 00:20:17,980 way to find good. It's like this dark 611 00:20:17,980 --> 00:20:19,339 way to view the world. And so I 612 00:20:19,339 --> 00:20:20,539 just wanted your thoughts on what you saw 613 00:20:20,539 --> 00:20:21,820 there and that and what you see in 614 00:20:21,820 --> 00:20:22,954 that same kind of mindset. 615 00:20:23,434 --> 00:20:25,454 Yeah. It it there's so many different things 616 00:20:25,515 --> 00:20:27,274 in Paris. I mean, first of all, the 617 00:20:27,274 --> 00:20:29,674 massive amount of surveillance that's there and the 618 00:20:29,674 --> 00:20:32,039 fact that they changed laws, and that's not 619 00:20:32,039 --> 00:20:33,019 going to go away. 620 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,759 And so we got to have it because 621 00:20:34,759 --> 00:20:36,279 of Paris. And then you look at the 622 00:20:36,279 --> 00:20:37,420 mayor there, Hildago, 623 00:20:38,519 --> 00:20:41,664 she is a hardcore marxist environmentalist. 624 00:20:42,044 --> 00:20:44,524 That's where the 15 minute city stuff began, 625 00:20:44,524 --> 00:20:47,390 was there. And, you had the yellow vest 626 00:20:47,710 --> 00:20:49,630 protest because you're trying to shut down all 627 00:20:49,630 --> 00:20:51,950 the cars years ago. They can't even clean 628 00:20:51,950 --> 00:20:53,250 up the Seine River, 629 00:20:53,630 --> 00:20:55,705 spent huge amounts of money on it, but 630 00:20:55,705 --> 00:20:57,225 it, you know, so there's the and then 631 00:20:57,225 --> 00:20:59,065 what they're doing in the Olympic Village in 632 00:20:59,065 --> 00:21:00,365 terms of the cardboard, 633 00:21:01,465 --> 00:21:04,119 beds and not letting them have meat, not 634 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,279 letting them have air conditioning. So there's all 635 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:07,900 of that aspect of it. 636 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,720 I kind of joked when I talked about 637 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:10,460 it. I said, 638 00:21:11,375 --> 00:21:13,295 what are they gonna do? They're going to, 639 00:21:13,775 --> 00:21:14,595 use that, 640 00:21:15,134 --> 00:21:18,255 to have, some Olympic athletes endorse that kind 641 00:21:18,255 --> 00:21:20,595 of austerity. Maybe they'll have, you know, some 642 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,160 some cereal that's made out of bugs and 643 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,279 say, look. This is what we ate at 644 00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:24,880 the Olympics. You know? Just like they put 645 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,320 Bruce Jenner on the cover of, 646 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,279 of, some of that stuff. So maybe that's 647 00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:30,384 part of it there. 648 00:21:30,785 --> 00:21:32,545 But then the whole thing that they did 649 00:21:32,545 --> 00:21:34,305 is is as I was talking to Peter 650 00:21:34,305 --> 00:21:36,464 Hammond, he's a a guy who's lived in 651 00:21:36,464 --> 00:21:38,884 South Africa, for a very long time. 652 00:21:39,519 --> 00:21:41,599 He was there fighting the Marxists. He had 653 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:44,079 a very interesting back and forth with Nelson 654 00:21:44,079 --> 00:21:44,579 Mandela, 655 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:45,779 and 656 00:21:46,825 --> 00:21:47,325 he 657 00:21:47,785 --> 00:21:49,785 was, Nelson Mandela was, 658 00:21:51,065 --> 00:21:53,705 he led a large group of, Christians in 659 00:21:53,705 --> 00:21:54,579 because they were 660 00:21:55,059 --> 00:21:57,220 legalizing abortion and doing a bunch of things 661 00:21:57,220 --> 00:21:58,500 like that. And so the next day he 662 00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:00,359 gets called in to meet with Mandela. 663 00:22:00,899 --> 00:22:01,399 And 664 00:22:02,244 --> 00:22:04,404 and so he said, you know, well, you're 665 00:22:04,404 --> 00:22:06,404 fighting me because you're you're racist or white 666 00:22:06,404 --> 00:22:07,924 or and he goes, no, I was fighting 667 00:22:07,924 --> 00:22:09,684 you because you're a Marxist. And so there 668 00:22:09,684 --> 00:22:11,144 you have this back and forth 669 00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:13,769 with with him because he's he's gone as 670 00:22:13,769 --> 00:22:16,170 a missionary into Marxist nations and the Muslim 671 00:22:16,170 --> 00:22:18,250 nations. And one of the things that's kept 672 00:22:18,250 --> 00:22:20,089 him alive, kept him from being tortured as 673 00:22:20,089 --> 00:22:21,309 he gets into these, 674 00:22:21,835 --> 00:22:23,674 philosophical arguments of both the Muslims and the 675 00:22:23,674 --> 00:22:26,174 Marxists. They do like to talk about philosophy 676 00:22:26,234 --> 00:22:28,075 and religion and things like that, so he's 677 00:22:28,075 --> 00:22:29,674 happy to talk to them about that. And 678 00:22:29,674 --> 00:22:31,054 his take on the Olympics 679 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:34,420 was that, it it was a very deliberate, 680 00:22:35,279 --> 00:22:35,779 juxtaposition, 681 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,359 especially the Lord's Supper type of thing. You 682 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:39,920 know, here's, 683 00:22:40,625 --> 00:22:41,365 they've got, 684 00:22:43,505 --> 00:22:44,625 the the the god of, 685 00:22:45,505 --> 00:22:46,005 Bacchanalia 686 00:22:46,305 --> 00:22:46,805 Dionysius, 687 00:22:47,319 --> 00:22:50,279 and, he's there blue like he's he's dead. 688 00:22:50,279 --> 00:22:51,799 So it's it's kind of, you know, you 689 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:53,019 have in in the Christian, 690 00:22:53,639 --> 00:22:56,474 communion, you have the, the wine and the 691 00:22:56,474 --> 00:22:57,774 bread. The bread represents, 692 00:22:58,075 --> 00:23:00,315 Christ's body that was broken and the and 693 00:23:00,315 --> 00:23:02,075 the wine represents his blood that was shed 694 00:23:02,075 --> 00:23:03,595 for our sins. He said they reversed all 695 00:23:03,595 --> 00:23:03,990 that. 696 00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:06,549 And so it's simply about wine, and it's 697 00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:10,230 simply about the body as, sexual debauchery and 698 00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:12,994 and everything. So it's not about saving people 699 00:23:12,994 --> 00:23:14,694 from their sins, but it's kind of a 700 00:23:14,755 --> 00:23:15,255 celebration, 701 00:23:15,714 --> 00:23:16,375 a bacchanalia, 702 00:23:17,075 --> 00:23:19,394 of of celebrating that sin. Right. And he 703 00:23:19,394 --> 00:23:20,914 said and it's very deliberately said if you 704 00:23:20,914 --> 00:23:22,309 go back and you look at 705 00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:25,029 at the original Olympics and the pagan society 706 00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:27,110 that was there, it's kind of strange that 707 00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:29,610 that was picked as a model anyway because 708 00:23:29,910 --> 00:23:30,970 it was incredibly 709 00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:33,795 violent. Sometimes, people died. 710 00:23:34,654 --> 00:23:37,615 They, had animal sacrifices. It was built into 711 00:23:37,615 --> 00:23:38,975 all the stuff, and he said, but but 712 00:23:38,975 --> 00:23:40,414 this is the type of thing that the 713 00:23:40,414 --> 00:23:42,490 elites want. And and when you look at 714 00:23:42,490 --> 00:23:44,490 all this total package, we look at the 715 00:23:44,490 --> 00:23:45,950 surveillance and the tracking 716 00:23:46,330 --> 00:23:48,430 and, you know, the the 717 00:23:49,134 --> 00:23:50,414 debauchery and all the rest of the stuff. 718 00:23:50,414 --> 00:23:51,694 This is what they want to do to 719 00:23:51,694 --> 00:23:52,754 collapse Americans, 720 00:23:53,294 --> 00:23:54,835 not Western society. 721 00:23:55,454 --> 00:23:55,694 And, 722 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,480 and so they're showing that to us, and 723 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,019 they're showing us the society, 724 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,980 that they want us to, rebuild. 725 00:24:03,575 --> 00:24:05,255 And, it's very different from what we have. 726 00:24:05,255 --> 00:24:07,414 I mean, even you have, atheists like Richard 727 00:24:07,414 --> 00:24:09,195 Dawkins saying, well, I I don't like Christianity. 728 00:24:09,255 --> 00:24:11,335 I don't like, your Christ, but I do 729 00:24:11,335 --> 00:24:13,579 like the fruit of this. You know. I 730 00:24:13,579 --> 00:24:16,059 I like the the Christian culture and the 731 00:24:16,059 --> 00:24:18,859 architecture and the art and and the legal 732 00:24:18,859 --> 00:24:21,019 system. I don't wanna be ruled by Muslims 733 00:24:21,019 --> 00:24:22,454 or this, that, that, you know, this is 734 00:24:22,454 --> 00:24:23,355 really coming, 735 00:24:23,734 --> 00:24:24,554 from the technocracy, 736 00:24:25,335 --> 00:24:26,855 which is a very different thing. And I 737 00:24:26,855 --> 00:24:28,775 think a lot of people are still trying 738 00:24:28,775 --> 00:24:30,295 to struggle to get their head around the 739 00:24:30,295 --> 00:24:32,409 difference between the and the Marxists and the 740 00:24:32,409 --> 00:24:34,009 socialist and the Muslims who have all these 741 00:24:34,009 --> 00:24:34,829 different philosophies. 742 00:24:35,289 --> 00:24:37,609 Sometimes they take elements from each other, but 743 00:24:37,609 --> 00:24:38,829 they're distinct things, 744 00:24:39,325 --> 00:24:40,525 but he looks at it and he says, 745 00:24:40,525 --> 00:24:43,085 yeah, I I, I like the culture of 746 00:24:43,085 --> 00:24:45,025 Christianity. He just doesn't believe it, 747 00:24:45,565 --> 00:24:47,404 but, and we we saw a little bit 748 00:24:47,404 --> 00:24:49,839 of that from, Elon Musk in terms of 749 00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:50,960 what he was saying. Of course, he's a 750 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:51,460 technocrat. 751 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:52,319 But, 752 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,200 you know, the the and the Olympics and 753 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,039 what these people are trying to push, it's 754 00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:57,700 a very, 755 00:24:59,335 --> 00:25:00,714 it's a very pagan system 756 00:25:01,095 --> 00:25:04,455 that is overlaid and enabled now by this 757 00:25:04,455 --> 00:25:07,099 technology that they have. Yeah. I know. Well, 758 00:25:07,099 --> 00:25:08,059 I mean, I I see a lot of 759 00:25:08,059 --> 00:25:09,980 the points in there being, you know, almost 760 00:25:09,980 --> 00:25:11,660 like like, some of the arguments Matt was 761 00:25:11,660 --> 00:25:13,980 making in the article that, historically, it's about 762 00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:14,880 sort of driving 763 00:25:15,684 --> 00:25:17,845 the population to an extreme. Well, really, from 764 00:25:17,845 --> 00:25:19,924 the elite perspective or elitist perspective that it's 765 00:25:19,924 --> 00:25:20,424 about 766 00:25:20,805 --> 00:25:22,565 kind of both sides of that coin and 767 00:25:22,565 --> 00:25:24,869 the idea being, like, you drive people into 768 00:25:24,869 --> 00:25:28,009 the extreme level, which then justifies the necessity. 769 00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:29,909 Like, having a a, like, a free society 770 00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:32,025 if you however you perceive that, the necessity 771 00:25:32,025 --> 00:25:34,585 to have extreme leadership like, you know, like 772 00:25:34,585 --> 00:25:36,184 a dictator or a ruler. Like, it's kind 773 00:25:36,184 --> 00:25:38,045 of like this constant cycle of rationalizing 774 00:25:38,744 --> 00:25:40,690 the top down control. You know? Or or 775 00:25:40,690 --> 00:25:42,289 these many different angles of the way this 776 00:25:42,289 --> 00:25:44,529 has been abused, but the general point being 777 00:25:44,529 --> 00:25:46,529 that what we're seeing there seems to be 778 00:25:46,529 --> 00:25:49,085 the intention to drive us into a position 779 00:25:49,085 --> 00:25:50,684 that makes us easier to control, you know, 780 00:25:50,684 --> 00:25:52,284 and a lot of different angles around it. 781 00:25:52,284 --> 00:25:54,204 So it's just really disconcerting to see such 782 00:25:54,204 --> 00:25:57,164 a flagrant I mean, obviously, insulting aspects to 783 00:25:57,164 --> 00:25:59,470 different many different perspectives of religion, but the 784 00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:00,690 idea that it's almost 785 00:26:00,990 --> 00:26:02,669 against all of those things. You know, it's 786 00:26:02,750 --> 00:26:04,269 Well, you know what? Not not even just 787 00:26:04,269 --> 00:26:05,865 the religious course. You know, they had, like, 788 00:26:05,944 --> 00:26:07,644 the pale rider, you know, out of revelation 789 00:26:07,704 --> 00:26:08,204 and, 790 00:26:08,825 --> 00:26:11,384 clear reference to that. But then, the reference 791 00:26:11,384 --> 00:26:13,944 to, the decapitation of Marie Antoinette and that 792 00:26:13,944 --> 00:26:15,304 type of thing. I mean, they really are 793 00:26:15,304 --> 00:26:17,710 pushing. What they're pushing is chaos and death 794 00:26:18,089 --> 00:26:20,169 and, debauchery and things like that. I mean, 795 00:26:20,169 --> 00:26:21,309 it it is really, 796 00:26:21,769 --> 00:26:23,049 and and you can even see that with 797 00:26:23,049 --> 00:26:25,244 the the French Revolution aspect of it. Like 798 00:26:25,244 --> 00:26:26,444 you said, you know, why don't they do 799 00:26:26,444 --> 00:26:27,884 Joan of Arc or something like that? I 800 00:26:27,884 --> 00:26:29,804 mean, there's a lot of French heroes that 801 00:26:29,804 --> 00:26:31,184 they could do. Why would they celebrate, 802 00:26:32,044 --> 00:26:34,410 the, you know, that that bloody revolution that 803 00:26:34,570 --> 00:26:36,269 even turned in on itself. 804 00:26:36,970 --> 00:26:38,890 But, you know, when we look at the 805 00:26:38,890 --> 00:26:40,269 way they're controlling us, 806 00:26:40,809 --> 00:26:42,809 one of the things that concerns me is, 807 00:26:44,164 --> 00:26:45,765 the fact that both the left and the 808 00:26:45,765 --> 00:26:46,265 right 809 00:26:46,565 --> 00:26:49,045 who were caught up in this Hegelian, you 810 00:26:49,045 --> 00:26:49,924 know, thing, 811 00:26:50,565 --> 00:26:52,505 both of them want their problems 812 00:26:52,805 --> 00:26:54,259 solved in Washington. 813 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,599 And what is happening is so much power 814 00:26:57,599 --> 00:27:00,079 and money is being focused and poured into 815 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:00,579 Washington, 816 00:27:01,134 --> 00:27:02,974 And and I see it with the MAGA 817 00:27:02,974 --> 00:27:04,894 people as much as I see it with 818 00:27:04,894 --> 00:27:05,954 a old line, 819 00:27:06,734 --> 00:27:08,755 socialist and and, leftist 820 00:27:09,069 --> 00:27:11,238 radicals. You know, oh, we gotta Washington should 821 00:27:11,238 --> 00:27:13,069 fix it, you know, and and there needs 822 00:27:13,069 --> 00:27:13,649 to be, 823 00:27:14,190 --> 00:27:15,230 you know, we may need to make a 824 00:27:15,230 --> 00:27:17,069 federal case out of everything and and a 825 00:27:17,069 --> 00:27:19,255 law about everything And now you see that 826 00:27:19,255 --> 00:27:21,835 happening really with the the right as well. 827 00:27:22,054 --> 00:27:24,934 And even more so, it's focused around Trump. 828 00:27:24,934 --> 00:27:26,909 I was very concerned when I saw that 829 00:27:26,909 --> 00:27:28,849 type of thing focused around Obama. 830 00:27:29,230 --> 00:27:30,929 When Obama first, appeared, 831 00:27:31,629 --> 00:27:33,869 everybody was, you know, oh, this is this 832 00:27:33,869 --> 00:27:35,724 is great. This you know, and and 833 00:27:36,044 --> 00:27:38,765 kind of this, idolatry and and worship of 834 00:27:38,765 --> 00:27:40,684 Obama and the way that we talk about 835 00:27:40,684 --> 00:27:43,404 how people idolize a pop star or a 836 00:27:43,404 --> 00:27:45,609 movie star or something like that. And, 837 00:27:46,069 --> 00:27:48,650 then the same thing happened with, Trump. 838 00:27:49,109 --> 00:27:49,509 And, 839 00:27:50,069 --> 00:27:52,150 you know, so so both of these sides 840 00:27:52,150 --> 00:27:54,015 are are thinking that the only way that 841 00:27:54,015 --> 00:27:56,674 they're going to get everything solved is with, 842 00:27:57,775 --> 00:28:00,755 this particular person in that particular office. 843 00:28:01,150 --> 00:28:03,150 And so even this last week when you 844 00:28:03,150 --> 00:28:05,650 had the the stock market crash on Monday, 845 00:28:05,950 --> 00:28:07,789 both Trump and JD Vance are saying, where 846 00:28:07,789 --> 00:28:09,309 was la la? You know, where where was 847 00:28:09,309 --> 00:28:11,095 Kamala? Or whatever. And, 848 00:28:11,554 --> 00:28:13,394 and it's like, that's not her job, first 849 00:28:13,394 --> 00:28:15,394 of all, you know. I mean, but it's 850 00:28:15,394 --> 00:28:15,894 like 851 00:28:16,755 --> 00:28:19,440 they're pushing forward this idea that everything, good 852 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,599 or bad, needs to come from Washington, and 853 00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:23,679 the right has bought into that now as 854 00:28:23,679 --> 00:28:25,039 much it used to only be the left, 855 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:26,694 but now the right has bought into it. 856 00:28:26,774 --> 00:28:28,054 I just say one more thing. You know, 857 00:28:28,054 --> 00:28:29,355 at the end of Obama's, 858 00:28:30,774 --> 00:28:31,434 8 years, 859 00:28:31,974 --> 00:28:35,014 you had Harry Belafonte who was, you know, 860 00:28:35,014 --> 00:28:36,075 hardcore leftist, 861 00:28:36,450 --> 00:28:38,210 and he said about Obama, he said, we 862 00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:40,710 don't know who this guy is. We projected 863 00:28:40,930 --> 00:28:43,305 onto him what we wanted him to be, 864 00:28:43,465 --> 00:28:46,265 and that's exactly what is happening now with, 865 00:28:46,424 --> 00:28:46,924 Trump. 866 00:28:47,465 --> 00:28:49,705 Absolutely. I mean, this is a really terrifying 867 00:28:49,705 --> 00:28:51,225 concept for those that can seem to see 868 00:28:51,225 --> 00:28:53,480 it outside of the pair the partisan lens. 869 00:28:53,779 --> 00:28:55,619 So what I was saying before to bring 870 00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:57,700 to make can bring these together, which is 871 00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:59,994 essentially, like you mentioned, the the bloody civil 872 00:28:59,994 --> 00:29:02,075 war, which as I understand the history, that's 873 00:29:02,474 --> 00:29:04,075 essentially, what brought an end to that was 874 00:29:04,075 --> 00:29:04,575 the, 875 00:29:04,954 --> 00:29:05,615 you know, 876 00:29:05,980 --> 00:29:07,519 claiming the leadership of 877 00:29:07,819 --> 00:29:10,700 Napoleon Bonaparte taking control as a god, you 878 00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:12,779 know, god man dictator, essentially. Right? That was 879 00:29:12,779 --> 00:29:15,085 the essentially, what going forward. And my point 880 00:29:15,085 --> 00:29:16,545 would be that this is sort of the, 881 00:29:16,765 --> 00:29:19,345 like, the the the creation of these things. 882 00:29:19,724 --> 00:29:21,484 And we can see this happening right now 883 00:29:21,484 --> 00:29:24,549 where, like, the logical conclusion, especially if you're 884 00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:27,250 in manufactured chaos to where people are desperate, 885 00:29:27,250 --> 00:29:29,009 they don't know, they're uncertain, the things aren't 886 00:29:29,009 --> 00:29:30,369 happening the way they usually had in the 887 00:29:30,369 --> 00:29:33,744 past. Suddenly, it's easier to rationalize more extreme 888 00:29:34,045 --> 00:29:35,884 control and change. Right? Like we saw through 889 00:29:35,884 --> 00:29:37,979 the great reset where Yeah. It's not far 890 00:29:37,979 --> 00:29:39,570 fetched to see somebody like Trump, who quite 891 00:29:39,570 --> 00:29:41,162 frankly, I think is the selection, and we 892 00:29:41,162 --> 00:29:42,754 can talk about that if you like, stepping 893 00:29:42,754 --> 00:29:44,346 in and going, well, look at what the 894 00:29:44,346 --> 00:29:45,938 left has done. Look at what we have 895 00:29:45,938 --> 00:29:47,414 to do to And and and then you 896 00:29:47,414 --> 00:29:49,575 get the right, as we're seeing, start embracing 897 00:29:49,575 --> 00:29:52,055 things that challenge what they like, their core 898 00:29:52,055 --> 00:29:54,075 tenants of belief, constitutional mindset. 899 00:29:54,509 --> 00:29:55,950 And and so that is kind of this 900 00:29:55,950 --> 00:29:57,549 general way this goes and then you get 901 00:29:57,549 --> 00:29:59,470 a dictator. And it's this kind of cycle 902 00:29:59,470 --> 00:30:00,750 that can be they love to frame that. 903 00:30:00,750 --> 00:30:02,269 I saw Elon share a tweet like this 904 00:30:02,269 --> 00:30:04,275 going, like, hard times create good men and 905 00:30:04,275 --> 00:30:05,621 like this cycle of how these things work. 906 00:30:05,621 --> 00:30:06,320 It's like, well, in most cases you're highlighting, 907 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:06,415 it doesn't go from hard times to good 908 00:30:06,415 --> 00:30:07,275 men. It goes from hard times to authoritarian 909 00:30:07,275 --> 00:30:08,734 dictators and you look back and frame them 910 00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:14,529 as good men. It's usually the way that 911 00:30:14,529 --> 00:30:16,369 goes. Mhmm. But so I wonder, you know, 912 00:30:16,369 --> 00:30:17,809 that's my worry about the way this is 913 00:30:17,809 --> 00:30:19,490 happening coming back even to the civil war 914 00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:21,625 point. Is that you have they're driving us 915 00:30:21,625 --> 00:30:23,945 into this mindset to where that'll just allow 916 00:30:23,945 --> 00:30:26,424 them to justify more extreme top down control. 917 00:30:26,424 --> 00:30:28,105 And I'm willing to bet you whether left 918 00:30:28,105 --> 00:30:30,519 or right, it'll dovetail with the great reset 919 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,480 conversation. That's my memory. Oh, absolutely. You know, 920 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,559 Klaus Schwab is always talking about the 4th 921 00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:37,355 industrial revolution. Right? 922 00:30:37,734 --> 00:30:39,894 And so, and in a sense, it's like, 923 00:30:40,454 --> 00:30:42,214 you know, this is a 4th turning and 924 00:30:42,214 --> 00:30:44,474 it is very much like the industrial revolution 925 00:30:44,774 --> 00:30:46,079 in the sense that if you go back 926 00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:47,440 and look at the American Civil War, the 927 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,680 American Civil War wasn't about slavery really. It 928 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,779 was about in the Industrial Revolution. 929 00:30:52,134 --> 00:30:54,455 And I I can pretty much, prove that 930 00:30:54,455 --> 00:30:56,375 point by taking a look at what was 931 00:30:56,375 --> 00:30:58,295 happening in Europe at the same time. Mhmm. 932 00:30:58,295 --> 00:31:00,099 Between 18 61 and 18/65, 933 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,319 at exactly the same time we had our 934 00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:04,160 civil war, they had a civil war in 935 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,795 Italy as well. Slavery was not the issue. 936 00:31:06,875 --> 00:31:08,795 What was the issue was the transition from 937 00:31:08,795 --> 00:31:11,674 an agrarian society to an industrial society and 938 00:31:11,674 --> 00:31:13,535 a transition from decentralized 939 00:31:13,914 --> 00:31:16,960 agrarian society, which both Italy and the United 940 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,200 States had, as well as, you know, the 941 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,039 the creation of the nation states. It was 942 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:22,720 also going on with Germany and things like 943 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,339 that. And so the consolidation 944 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:25,539 of these, 945 00:31:26,115 --> 00:31:28,294 decentralized agrarian power centers 946 00:31:28,674 --> 00:31:29,174 into 947 00:31:29,474 --> 00:31:30,294 a centralized 948 00:31:30,674 --> 00:31:32,454 nation state that was industrialized. 949 00:31:32,809 --> 00:31:34,890 And that was going on, especially in Italy, 950 00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:37,210 but in other European places as well, at 951 00:31:37,210 --> 00:31:38,569 the same time it was happening in the 952 00:31:38,569 --> 00:31:40,829 United States. And so they understand there's these 953 00:31:41,244 --> 00:31:44,684 economic and technical forces, there's these generational forces, 954 00:31:44,684 --> 00:31:47,085 and they're all converging at this point in 955 00:31:47,085 --> 00:31:49,484 time. And and you're right. It's going to 956 00:31:49,484 --> 00:31:49,984 be, 957 00:31:50,889 --> 00:31:53,210 regardless of who's there, they're gonna try to 958 00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:55,149 push us in this more totalitarian 959 00:31:55,769 --> 00:31:56,269 direction. 960 00:31:56,649 --> 00:31:59,369 The American Revolution was unusual in the sense 961 00:31:59,369 --> 00:32:01,954 that it didn't go in a more totalitarian 962 00:32:02,494 --> 00:32:04,414 direction, but it easily could have. There were 963 00:32:04,414 --> 00:32:06,734 people within, you know, the the group we 964 00:32:06,734 --> 00:32:07,954 call the founding fathers, 965 00:32:08,289 --> 00:32:10,210 like Hamilton, who wanted to make it, 966 00:32:10,850 --> 00:32:13,170 just another kingship or something like that. Right. 967 00:32:13,170 --> 00:32:15,990 So it was, because of the the influence 968 00:32:16,049 --> 00:32:17,904 of a few individuals who pushed it the 969 00:32:17,904 --> 00:32:19,904 other way that it that didn't happen. But, 970 00:32:19,904 --> 00:32:21,984 yeah, I think the likelihood is it usually 971 00:32:21,984 --> 00:32:24,005 does go down into a more, 972 00:32:24,569 --> 00:32:27,630 totalitarian, more authoritarian thing. And this time around, 973 00:32:28,009 --> 00:32:29,710 what really makes this different 974 00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:32,429 is the massive amount of technology 975 00:32:33,065 --> 00:32:34,664 that they can bring to bear when you're 976 00:32:34,664 --> 00:32:38,025 talking about genetics, robotics, artificial intelligence, nanotech, all 977 00:32:38,025 --> 00:32:38,845 of that stuff. 978 00:32:39,384 --> 00:32:40,845 I mean, we haven't even 979 00:32:41,299 --> 00:32:41,799 seen, 980 00:32:43,220 --> 00:32:45,640 Nanotech is so difficult for us to assess. 981 00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:47,539 We don't know if they're doing it to 982 00:32:47,539 --> 00:32:48,105 us now. 983 00:32:48,664 --> 00:32:49,704 They could do it to us, and they 984 00:32:49,704 --> 00:32:50,984 could blame it on some kind of a 985 00:32:50,984 --> 00:32:52,984 pandemic or something like that. You know, there 986 00:32:53,065 --> 00:32:54,904 there's these things that are even invisible, but 987 00:32:54,904 --> 00:32:56,470 stuff that we can see is bad enough. 988 00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:58,470 But, of course, there's stuff that you can't 989 00:32:58,470 --> 00:33:00,009 see, the genetics and the nanotech, 990 00:33:00,549 --> 00:33:01,690 that's even worse. 991 00:33:02,150 --> 00:33:04,309 Yeah. I that's a that conversation, as my 992 00:33:04,309 --> 00:33:06,069 audience knows, is it that keeps me up 993 00:33:06,069 --> 00:33:07,894 at night. You know, like, reality of the 994 00:33:07,894 --> 00:33:10,054 smart dust. And if you barely look into 995 00:33:10,054 --> 00:33:11,815 this realizing that it's not something that's in 996 00:33:11,815 --> 00:33:13,680 the future, it's something that's been researched and 997 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000 implied in the past already. And so you 998 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,759 it's just as they hold up these clunky 999 00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:19,700 large things, like, this is the future microchip. 1000 00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:21,680 And it's like, they're so far past these 1001 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,454 things. It really does worry me. But, yeah, 1002 00:33:23,454 --> 00:33:24,734 I mean, I I think that this is 1003 00:33:24,734 --> 00:33:27,214 the clear kind of direction, and I it 1004 00:33:27,375 --> 00:33:29,694 the the concern is that so many people 1005 00:33:29,694 --> 00:33:30,194 are 1006 00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:32,069 choosing not to see it. You know? And 1007 00:33:32,069 --> 00:33:34,009 so let let's talk a minute about the 1008 00:33:34,150 --> 00:33:36,309 conversation of, you know, sort of the as 1009 00:33:36,309 --> 00:33:38,174 I think David Icke has has given credit 1010 00:33:38,174 --> 00:33:40,515 for coining the mainstream alternative media, the MAM, 1011 00:33:40,654 --> 00:33:43,235 as, he points it, Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, 1012 00:33:43,375 --> 00:33:44,994 like numerous Twitter sensations. 1013 00:33:45,380 --> 00:33:46,579 And then on the other side of that, 1014 00:33:46,579 --> 00:33:49,140 I see the Elon Musk, Trump, JD Vance, 1015 00:33:49,140 --> 00:33:52,954 Peter Thiel, like technocrat, whole politician overlap that 1016 00:33:52,954 --> 00:33:55,034 and all of this kinda converging into something 1017 00:33:55,034 --> 00:33:55,855 very terrifying. 1018 00:33:56,315 --> 00:33:58,554 And I and and seeing through that the 1019 00:33:58,554 --> 00:34:00,369 ability to convince a lot of And the 1020 00:34:00,369 --> 00:34:02,470 way I would argue is, like, the republicans 1021 00:34:02,529 --> 00:34:04,130 when I see they're, like, the team sport 1022 00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:06,309 politics players and then a lot of conservatives 1023 00:34:06,450 --> 00:34:08,684 there in varying positions that might not believe 1024 00:34:08,684 --> 00:34:10,204 it all. But when I'm talking about the 1025 00:34:10,204 --> 00:34:11,885 left right, I talk about the Republicans in 1026 00:34:11,885 --> 00:34:15,324 this. The right the Republicans being played into 1027 00:34:15,324 --> 00:34:16,925 accepting a lot of this as as, I 1028 00:34:16,925 --> 00:34:19,230 think, Katherine Austin Fitts framed it as the 1029 00:34:19,230 --> 00:34:19,730 Republicans 1030 00:34:20,269 --> 00:34:24,030 manipulating conservatives into the technocratic control structure. I 1031 00:34:24,030 --> 00:34:24,670 I mentioned the, 1032 00:34:25,925 --> 00:34:27,445 the conversation of the SAVE Act. I don't 1033 00:34:27,445 --> 00:34:28,565 know if you talked about that at all, 1034 00:34:28,565 --> 00:34:30,005 but I personally see this as sort of 1035 00:34:30,005 --> 00:34:31,844 a Trojan horse for digital ID. So I 1036 00:34:31,844 --> 00:34:33,650 wanted your thoughts on that whole overlap. You 1037 00:34:33,650 --> 00:34:35,090 know, I mean, you you've worked in the 1038 00:34:35,090 --> 00:34:36,849 past with InfoWars, so you have an insight 1039 00:34:36,849 --> 00:34:38,929 into kinda that mindset and the direction, and 1040 00:34:38,929 --> 00:34:40,449 you've been very clear about your thoughts on 1041 00:34:40,449 --> 00:34:41,795 that over the past. And so I want 1042 00:34:41,795 --> 00:34:43,234 your thoughts on, you know, where you see 1043 00:34:43,234 --> 00:34:45,234 this going. And, you know, do you see 1044 00:34:45,234 --> 00:34:47,315 any level of this being legitimate? You know, 1045 00:34:47,315 --> 00:34:49,255 just your general thoughts on that direction. 1046 00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,780 Well, you know, it's interesting. This week, 1047 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,260 somebody sent to me a reminder 1048 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,359 of, 1049 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:56,260 the, 1050 00:34:56,965 --> 00:34:59,364 it was, conspiracy theories or something on this 1051 00:34:59,364 --> 00:34:59,925 program that, 1052 00:35:00,565 --> 00:35:02,724 Jesse Ventura used to have. Right? And they 1053 00:35:02,724 --> 00:35:04,244 said, oh, look at this. You know, Alex 1054 00:35:04,244 --> 00:35:06,122 Jones had this so right, you know, a 1055 00:35:06,122 --> 00:35:08,500 decade ago, when he was on with Jesse 1056 00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:11,599 Ventura. And, they were talking about the pandemic 1057 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:14,000 and and and basically it wasn't anything new. 1058 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,244 It was something that they kicked off with 1059 00:35:16,325 --> 00:35:17,465 dark winter in 2,001. 1060 00:35:17,765 --> 00:35:19,704 They'd already been practicing it annually, 1061 00:35:20,244 --> 00:35:22,085 for 10 years. And so, you know, it's 1062 00:35:22,085 --> 00:35:23,684 like, oh, look, we just figured this out 1063 00:35:23,684 --> 00:35:25,269 type of thing. Well, it was fine. What 1064 00:35:25,269 --> 00:35:26,550 they were saying at that point in time 1065 00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:28,869 was true. Mhmm. And I knew that he 1066 00:35:28,869 --> 00:35:29,610 knew that, 1067 00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:31,864 and had always talked about that. And he 1068 00:35:31,864 --> 00:35:34,744 had always talked about adjuvants and, you know, 1069 00:35:34,744 --> 00:35:37,144 aluminum and mercury and things like that and 1070 00:35:37,144 --> 00:35:39,065 vaccines and and the danger of that and 1071 00:35:39,065 --> 00:35:40,839 the connections to autism and everything. So it 1072 00:35:40,839 --> 00:35:42,440 was really surprising to me to see all 1073 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,420 this stuff just flip 1074 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:44,460 in 2020. 1075 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,679 And, you know, I knew that he become 1076 00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:48,139 partisan. You know, he was, 1077 00:35:49,234 --> 00:35:51,554 always would, say, well, I don't really like 1078 00:35:51,554 --> 00:35:52,755 either one of the parties and that type 1079 00:35:52,755 --> 00:35:54,275 of thing. He wouldn't pick sides, but he 1080 00:35:54,275 --> 00:35:56,594 picked sides big time as soon as Trump 1081 00:35:56,594 --> 00:35:58,659 came in. And especially when Trump gave him 1082 00:35:58,659 --> 00:36:00,339 the interview. He, you know, he he was 1083 00:36:00,339 --> 00:36:03,299 all about that. Mhmm. But, you know, at 1084 00:36:03,299 --> 00:36:05,385 the same time I saw that, I saw 1085 00:36:05,385 --> 00:36:08,684 another picture of Jesse Ventura looking over, 1086 00:36:09,304 --> 00:36:10,025 Tim Walz, 1087 00:36:10,425 --> 00:36:12,184 who has just signed some bill. I don't 1088 00:36:12,184 --> 00:36:13,179 know what it was about. 1089 00:36:13,579 --> 00:36:15,900 And, but, you know, beaming, yeah, that's great, 1090 00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:17,659 you know. And I thought, you know, both 1091 00:36:17,659 --> 00:36:18,239 of them, 1092 00:36:18,699 --> 00:36:20,400 when you look at what happened in 2020, 1093 00:36:21,135 --> 00:36:22,575 the stuff that they told people and warned 1094 00:36:22,575 --> 00:36:24,255 people about for 10 years, the stuff that 1095 00:36:24,255 --> 00:36:24,994 they knew, 1096 00:36:25,375 --> 00:36:27,215 they just turned their back on it on 1097 00:36:27,215 --> 00:36:29,394 it and told them something completely different. 1098 00:36:29,799 --> 00:36:31,480 And, you know, I I said, wait a 1099 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,000 minute. When we look at this and I 1100 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,739 had all of 2020, I was at loggerheads 1101 00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:38,599 with, the people at Infowars because they were 1102 00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:41,324 pushing the fear button and the panic button 1103 00:36:41,704 --> 00:36:43,704 about the virus and said, this is a 1104 00:36:43,704 --> 00:36:46,025 game that they've played, and we don't know 1105 00:36:46,025 --> 00:36:47,784 that this thing is real. We haven't seen 1106 00:36:47,784 --> 00:36:50,510 any evidence of a pandemic anywhere. We've heard, 1107 00:36:50,510 --> 00:36:52,110 you know, these people are locking down all 1108 00:36:52,110 --> 00:36:53,150 the rest of the stuff, but he was 1109 00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:54,750 selling a lot of products so you could 1110 00:36:54,750 --> 00:36:57,070 write it off as just, you know, crass 1111 00:36:57,070 --> 00:36:57,570 commercialism, 1112 00:36:58,585 --> 00:36:59,724 from him and from, 1113 00:37:00,184 --> 00:37:00,925 you know, 1114 00:37:01,224 --> 00:37:03,465 Mike Adams. And it was things really came 1115 00:37:03,465 --> 00:37:05,839 to a head when David Icke came on 1116 00:37:05,839 --> 00:37:07,920 and said, this is all BS. Right. And 1117 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,679 that was kind of a turning point because 1118 00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:10,579 up to that point, 1119 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,119 Mike Adams had been pedal to the metal 1120 00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:14,980 about fear and so had Alex. 1121 00:37:15,425 --> 00:37:17,364 And then when David Icke came on, 1122 00:37:18,305 --> 00:37:20,305 Alex brought him and Alex will do that. 1123 00:37:20,305 --> 00:37:22,785 He'll bring in somebody who's on the opposite 1124 00:37:22,785 --> 00:37:24,390 side just to kinda hedge his bets so 1125 00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:26,429 he can always say he was right. Right. 1126 00:37:26,429 --> 00:37:28,429 And so when he brought him on, Mike 1127 00:37:28,429 --> 00:37:31,525 Adams got really upset about that and, said, 1128 00:37:31,605 --> 00:37:32,964 said, well, I'm the only person in the 1129 00:37:32,964 --> 00:37:34,404 alternative media that's got a science degree. And 1130 00:37:34,404 --> 00:37:35,844 he's like, oh, really? What is your science 1131 00:37:35,844 --> 00:37:36,344 degree? 1132 00:37:36,964 --> 00:37:39,045 He doesn't say he doesn't say where he 1133 00:37:39,045 --> 00:37:40,750 went to school, what his degree is, and 1134 00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:42,670 anything, but he keeps it, you know. But 1135 00:37:42,670 --> 00:37:43,170 anyway, 1136 00:37:43,710 --> 00:37:45,550 so, you know, I'm upfront about in fact, 1137 00:37:45,550 --> 00:37:47,070 I've got a science degree. So what? You 1138 00:37:47,070 --> 00:37:49,150 know, it is about critical thinking, and it's 1139 00:37:49,150 --> 00:37:49,650 about 1140 00:37:50,304 --> 00:37:53,184 sticking to what you already know instead of, 1141 00:37:53,664 --> 00:37:56,785 flipping 180 degrees away for what? For money 1142 00:37:56,785 --> 00:37:59,409 or because somebody who's been controlling you is 1143 00:37:59,409 --> 00:38:00,869 telling you to do this or that? 1144 00:38:01,329 --> 00:38:03,010 And so we got into a thing, 1145 00:38:03,809 --> 00:38:06,609 Mike Adams and I did and eventually got, 1146 00:38:06,609 --> 00:38:08,855 you know, it wasn't just about the issues. 1147 00:38:08,855 --> 00:38:10,934 It was, you know, kind of a personal 1148 00:38:10,934 --> 00:38:13,974 thing. But then Alex started even pushing this 1149 00:38:13,974 --> 00:38:15,894 idea that, well, this is the Trump vaccine. 1150 00:38:15,894 --> 00:38:16,530 It's okay. 1151 00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:19,890 And I had somebody that I'd interviewed contacted 1152 00:38:19,890 --> 00:38:21,489 me and it's like, well, I don't know. 1153 00:38:21,489 --> 00:38:23,090 I don't have the time to watch Alex's 1154 00:38:23,090 --> 00:38:24,769 show, but I can't believe that he would 1155 00:38:24,769 --> 00:38:25,510 say that. 1156 00:38:25,974 --> 00:38:28,055 And then, he did it while I was 1157 00:38:28,055 --> 00:38:29,974 sitting next to him one day as he 1158 00:38:29,974 --> 00:38:31,655 as the show is ending and we got 1159 00:38:31,655 --> 00:38:33,815 30 seconds. They're playing the music and we're 1160 00:38:33,815 --> 00:38:35,460 going out and I, you know, I can't 1161 00:38:35,460 --> 00:38:37,539 say anything. He's he's talking, the music's going 1162 00:38:37,539 --> 00:38:38,980 and it's out like that. And he says, 1163 00:38:38,980 --> 00:38:40,579 of course, it's not the bad vaccine, 1164 00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:42,420 you know, that Trump is putting through. He's 1165 00:38:42,420 --> 00:38:44,074 putting this and it's like, what is he 1166 00:38:44,074 --> 00:38:44,974 talking about? 1167 00:38:45,355 --> 00:38:45,934 And then, 1168 00:38:46,394 --> 00:38:47,594 I guess it was about, 1169 00:38:48,234 --> 00:38:49,454 4 or 5 months ago, 1170 00:38:49,914 --> 00:38:52,510 somebody sent me a couple of clips of, 1171 00:38:52,750 --> 00:38:55,150 both, something he said in the studio as 1172 00:38:55,150 --> 00:38:56,909 well as a set piece that he had 1173 00:38:56,909 --> 00:38:58,829 done, saying that Trump is gonna protect us 1174 00:38:58,829 --> 00:39:00,664 with a good vaccine and that you can 1175 00:39:00,664 --> 00:39:02,425 take this. It's all gonna be some kind 1176 00:39:02,425 --> 00:39:03,164 of a dead, 1177 00:39:03,945 --> 00:39:05,625 dead or weakened thing, and it's just gonna 1178 00:39:05,625 --> 00:39:07,065 have a little bit of aluminum and mercury 1179 00:39:07,065 --> 00:39:08,425 in it. It's okay. You can take that. 1180 00:39:08,425 --> 00:39:09,909 It's gonna be basically sugar water. It's what 1181 00:39:09,909 --> 00:39:11,349 he said. Yeah. And I play that over 1182 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:13,610 again, and it's like, what in the world 1183 00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:16,630 is he talking about? That's antithetical to everything 1184 00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:18,469 that he has talked about for 20 years. 1185 00:39:18,469 --> 00:39:20,545 Also false. So when you watch that? If 1186 00:39:20,545 --> 00:39:23,025 it's also false, please continue. Yeah. Exactly. But, 1187 00:39:23,025 --> 00:39:24,864 you know, the point is is that you 1188 00:39:24,864 --> 00:39:27,139 can have people out there that'll tell people 1189 00:39:27,139 --> 00:39:28,339 the truth and they'll do it for a 1190 00:39:28,339 --> 00:39:30,099 very long time, and then when it comes 1191 00:39:30,099 --> 00:39:32,579 to the push comes to shove, they'll flip 1192 00:39:32,579 --> 00:39:33,079 it. 1193 00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:35,795 And and that's when they come they've gained 1194 00:39:35,795 --> 00:39:38,454 the people's trust. It's a classic con job 1195 00:39:38,914 --> 00:39:41,394 and, and it's what controlled opposition does. It's 1196 00:39:41,394 --> 00:39:43,869 what double agents do and intelligence community and 1197 00:39:43,869 --> 00:39:45,150 all the rest of the stuff. And then 1198 00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:47,389 he did it again with the January 6th 1199 00:39:47,389 --> 00:39:49,309 stuff. 2 days after the election, he's got 1200 00:39:49,309 --> 00:39:51,795 Steve Pachenko on, who is admitted, 1201 00:39:52,175 --> 00:39:54,755 being CIA. He was involved in operation Gladio. 1202 00:39:54,815 --> 00:39:57,295 He was working for Henry Kissinger, all of 1203 00:39:57,295 --> 00:39:59,315 the things that Alex Jones is supposedly 1204 00:39:59,855 --> 00:40:00,355 against. 1205 00:40:00,670 --> 00:40:02,269 And this guy comes on and says, yeah. 1206 00:40:02,269 --> 00:40:04,590 We we got, 2 days after election, there's 1207 00:40:04,590 --> 00:40:06,590 20,000 National Guard out there right now. They're 1208 00:40:06,590 --> 00:40:08,530 arresting people. And we've created, 1209 00:40:08,989 --> 00:40:11,715 blockchain watermark ballots, and we know exactly 1210 00:40:12,414 --> 00:40:13,855 who rigged this election and all the rest 1211 00:40:13,855 --> 00:40:15,954 of the stuff. That got 4,000,000 1212 00:40:16,655 --> 00:40:19,155 views. You had Clarence Thomas's wife 1213 00:40:19,690 --> 00:40:20,829 sent that video 1214 00:40:21,130 --> 00:40:22,269 to Mark Meadows 1215 00:40:22,970 --> 00:40:24,490 and said, I hope this is true. Well, 1216 00:40:24,490 --> 00:40:26,170 it was not possible at all. I mean, 1217 00:40:26,170 --> 00:40:27,530 the next morning, I came in, and I 1218 00:40:27,530 --> 00:40:29,804 was, you know, saying this is this is 1219 00:40:29,804 --> 00:40:31,724 not true. It's a lie. And I had 1220 00:40:31,724 --> 00:40:34,065 big things privately as well as publicly, 1221 00:40:34,764 --> 00:40:36,284 when I was there at Infowars. And then 1222 00:40:36,284 --> 00:40:38,519 eventually, you know, after after the day, 1223 00:40:39,780 --> 00:40:42,340 that, they did the electoral college votes on 1224 00:40:42,340 --> 00:40:44,900 December 14th, I said, it's over, folks. We 1225 00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:46,885 don't need to do January 6th. Anything else 1226 00:40:46,885 --> 00:40:48,324 about this is a grift. And, of course, 1227 00:40:48,324 --> 00:40:49,144 that whole weekend, 1228 00:40:49,525 --> 00:40:51,864 where Alex had been out doing fundraisers, 1229 00:40:52,484 --> 00:40:54,164 and that was the weekend that he said, 1230 00:40:54,164 --> 00:40:55,940 whatever it takes. We're not gonna let Biden 1231 00:40:55,940 --> 00:40:57,940 in the White House. And and so I 1232 00:40:57,940 --> 00:41:00,019 was telling people, don't go. And I said 1233 00:41:00,019 --> 00:41:02,260 that to people, and I continued after I 1234 00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:04,105 was fired, and I told people up to 1235 00:41:04,105 --> 00:41:05,804 that morning. I said, it's a trap. 1236 00:41:06,105 --> 00:41:07,565 There's gonna be agent provocateurs. 1237 00:41:07,864 --> 00:41:09,784 They're gonna come after you, and they're gonna 1238 00:41:09,784 --> 00:41:10,525 use it, 1239 00:41:10,824 --> 00:41:12,809 for all the conservatives. But the problem is, 1240 00:41:12,809 --> 00:41:15,210 most of these people in MAGA, they are 1241 00:41:15,210 --> 00:41:17,849 kinda newbies. They don't really know anything about 1242 00:41:17,849 --> 00:41:18,829 history or politics, 1243 00:41:19,295 --> 00:41:20,594 and they're easily manipulated. 1244 00:41:21,055 --> 00:41:23,394 And and they're projecting what they want 1245 00:41:23,855 --> 00:41:24,355 onto 1246 00:41:24,735 --> 00:41:27,235 Donald Trump or whatever, and they're being controlled 1247 00:41:27,295 --> 00:41:29,679 by this media that, David Eich is talking 1248 00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:32,239 about, you know, the the new alternative mainstream 1249 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:32,739 media. 1250 00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:34,639 Yeah. Right. Exactly. And, you know, I mean, 1251 00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:36,994 your your integrity is very clear. You've you've 1252 00:41:37,075 --> 00:41:38,675 stood by these things and time has shown 1253 00:41:38,675 --> 00:41:40,195 that you're correct. I think that's what really 1254 00:41:40,195 --> 00:41:42,035 matters. But the sad part, which is kinda 1255 00:41:42,035 --> 00:41:43,655 one of the points we're highlighting here, 1256 00:41:44,035 --> 00:41:45,449 is is and I I don't know if 1257 00:41:45,449 --> 00:41:46,730 I think it's the majority or not. I'm 1258 00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:48,329 kind of hoping it's not. But how many 1259 00:41:48,329 --> 00:41:50,170 people, and it's still a lot, choose to 1260 00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:52,625 just ignore that? Just please leave it in 1261 00:41:52,625 --> 00:41:53,985 regard. Or fight me on it. I mean, 1262 00:41:53,985 --> 00:41:55,505 I still say, you know, you're a liar. 1263 00:41:55,505 --> 00:41:57,125 You're it's like, I'm the liar? 1264 00:41:57,664 --> 00:41:59,105 I mean, do you do you understand what 1265 00:41:59,105 --> 00:42:00,599 happened the last 4 years? Did you see 1266 00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:02,679 what happened on January 6th, and you tell 1267 00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:04,920 me I'm the liar? It's it's crazy how 1268 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,000 angry the MAGA people are. I've had to 1269 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,000 get a pretty thick skin because it it 1270 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,905 just keeps coming. You know, they were telling 1271 00:42:10,905 --> 00:42:13,385 me that after after it happened, January 6th. 1272 00:42:13,385 --> 00:42:15,224 Now leave Trump alone. He's out of this. 1273 00:42:15,224 --> 00:42:16,925 I was like, he's not going anywhere. 1274 00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:19,679 He's gonna still be around. But, you know, 1275 00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,339 they get so angry because they're so invested 1276 00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:24,559 Yep. In a person. They're invested in Trump 1277 00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:25,380 or they're invested 1278 00:42:25,784 --> 00:42:27,784 in Alex Jones or they're invested in Tucker 1279 00:42:27,784 --> 00:42:30,264 Carlson or whatever. They don't wanna hear anything 1280 00:42:30,264 --> 00:42:32,585 else. They've got to see, this is part 1281 00:42:32,585 --> 00:42:33,324 of the problem 1282 00:42:33,909 --> 00:42:36,650 is that they have defined their life 1283 00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:38,409 around politics, 1284 00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:40,969 and there's something that is far more important 1285 00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:43,735 than politics, but because that's everything to them 1286 00:42:43,974 --> 00:42:45,454 and because they can't think of any way 1287 00:42:45,454 --> 00:42:47,175 to get what they want unless they've got 1288 00:42:47,175 --> 00:42:49,815 a benevolent dictator in Washington. Right. That's the 1289 00:42:49,815 --> 00:42:51,494 way they organize their life, and that's what's 1290 00:42:51,494 --> 00:42:53,015 gonna drive us into a civil war if 1291 00:42:53,015 --> 00:42:55,260 we don't push back against that. Right. Right. 1292 00:42:55,260 --> 00:42:56,859 A 100%. Let let me ask you one 1293 00:42:56,859 --> 00:42:58,539 thing about what you said there because this 1294 00:42:58,539 --> 00:42:59,900 is it's interesting. I mean, you it's it's 1295 00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:01,755 something you said earlier in the conversation already 1296 00:43:01,755 --> 00:43:03,355 tells me that you you believe that there's 1297 00:43:03,355 --> 00:43:05,295 cheating all, like, all the time in elections. 1298 00:43:05,355 --> 00:43:06,795 But what you're I I'm sure people will 1299 00:43:06,795 --> 00:43:08,154 try to pluck out what you said there 1300 00:43:08,154 --> 00:43:10,000 in regard to January 6th and the ballots. 1301 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,039 I saw a post you were doing about 1302 00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:12,320 this. You had an interview about this as 1303 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,119 well saying that, ultimately, that Trump lost and 1304 00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:16,880 the the lie of the stolen election and 1305 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,324 so on. Now that being a stated, let's 1306 00:43:19,324 --> 00:43:20,764 just call that a fact based you know, 1307 00:43:20,764 --> 00:43:22,764 that not people can decide for themselves or 1308 00:43:22,764 --> 00:43:24,364 recommend you look into it. But my point 1309 00:43:24,364 --> 00:43:25,505 is, do you then alternatively 1310 00:43:25,885 --> 00:43:27,670 think that there was also cheating? Like, do 1311 00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:29,030 you think that those two things exist in 1312 00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:29,690 the conversation? 1313 00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:32,389 Yes. I do. And and the thing is, 1314 00:43:32,949 --> 00:43:34,489 you know, the guy that I had on, 1315 00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:37,014 he was part of the he was hired 1316 00:43:37,014 --> 00:43:38,234 by the Trump Organization 1317 00:43:38,614 --> 00:43:40,135 to do an audit, and he'd done that 1318 00:43:40,135 --> 00:43:41,574 type of thing many times before. So he's 1319 00:43:41,574 --> 00:43:43,414 an expert. He'd been an expert witness and 1320 00:43:43,414 --> 00:43:46,170 things like that. And, so his organization went 1321 00:43:46,170 --> 00:43:47,550 through and gave the report 1322 00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:50,010 and they said we we can find some 1323 00:43:50,010 --> 00:43:51,849 fraud but it's not anywhere close to what 1324 00:43:51,849 --> 00:43:54,135 you need to change things around. They also 1325 00:43:54,135 --> 00:43:55,815 did, and I think the key thing about 1326 00:43:55,815 --> 00:43:56,535 that interview, 1327 00:43:57,494 --> 00:43:58,795 you know, I thought it was interesting 1328 00:43:59,335 --> 00:44:01,035 what he did for the Trump Organization. 1329 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,519 I, you know, and he had a debate 1330 00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:05,500 with Mike Lindell 1331 00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:06,519 and, 1332 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,239 he and Mike Lindell had different ideas about 1333 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:10,679 what should be done and I'm I lean 1334 00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:12,825 more towards what Mike Lindell said should be 1335 00:44:12,825 --> 00:44:14,285 done. I mean, I lean more towards, 1336 00:44:14,905 --> 00:44:17,065 paper ballots and, you know, let's go full 1337 00:44:17,065 --> 00:44:19,144 Neanderthal. We've all vote on one day, and 1338 00:44:19,144 --> 00:44:20,699 we get our thumb purple or whatever. That's 1339 00:44:20,699 --> 00:44:22,059 what they did when they went to run 1340 00:44:22,059 --> 00:44:23,039 election in Iraq. 1341 00:44:23,659 --> 00:44:25,519 So, you know, we do something like that 1342 00:44:25,659 --> 00:44:27,500 and just kinda brute force it through. You're 1343 00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:29,099 still gonna have some cheating with any kind 1344 00:44:29,099 --> 00:44:31,325 of a system, of course. Right. But, when 1345 00:44:31,325 --> 00:44:32,945 you start to bring in the the, 1346 00:44:33,565 --> 00:44:34,945 the, the machines, 1347 00:44:35,325 --> 00:44:37,164 the very fact that the machines can count 1348 00:44:37,164 --> 00:44:39,309 things faster and they can multiplies, you know, 1349 00:44:39,309 --> 00:44:41,329 give you a multiplying effect on your labor. 1350 00:44:41,389 --> 00:44:43,949 It also gives a multiplying effect on any 1351 00:44:43,949 --> 00:44:45,010 kind of manipulation. 1352 00:44:45,469 --> 00:44:47,409 Right. And I've been talking since 2014 1353 00:44:47,710 --> 00:44:48,530 about Smartmatic 1354 00:44:49,155 --> 00:44:51,235 and how that was created by 3 friends, 1355 00:44:51,235 --> 00:44:52,614 2 or 3 friends of, 1356 00:44:53,074 --> 00:44:53,574 Maduro, 1357 00:44:54,035 --> 00:44:57,155 I'm sorry, Hugo Chavez Mhmm. And, you know, 1358 00:44:57,155 --> 00:44:59,589 and they've had one scandal after the other 1359 00:44:59,589 --> 00:45:01,769 of several different provinces in Mexico, 1360 00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:04,309 as well as the Philippines, as well as 1361 00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:06,844 Brazil. And so it's not anything new and 1362 00:45:06,844 --> 00:45:08,605 they're not the only one. It's all these 1363 00:45:08,605 --> 00:45:09,585 different electronic, 1364 00:45:10,125 --> 00:45:12,545 things have that kind of liability to them. 1365 00:45:12,925 --> 00:45:14,730 But, the thing that I thought was interesting, 1366 00:45:14,730 --> 00:45:16,190 and I had talked about Venezuela, 1367 00:45:16,890 --> 00:45:18,010 is the fact that, 1368 00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:20,489 what the state department will do is they 1369 00:45:20,489 --> 00:45:22,974 will do exit polls and they look at 1370 00:45:22,974 --> 00:45:25,295 the result of the exit polls versus the 1371 00:45:25,295 --> 00:45:26,974 official results. If they see more than a 1372 00:45:26,974 --> 00:45:27,954 5% spread, 1373 00:45:28,414 --> 00:45:30,139 then they say, well, it was rigged. 1374 00:45:30,619 --> 00:45:31,900 And we have that same, 1375 00:45:33,019 --> 00:45:36,219 that same organization, Edison Research, does the exit 1376 00:45:36,219 --> 00:45:38,224 polls for all of America. And when you 1377 00:45:38,224 --> 00:45:40,305 hear it reported, they will never give you 1378 00:45:40,305 --> 00:45:42,945 that kind of a comparison. Never ever. Right. 1379 00:45:42,945 --> 00:45:44,545 And, of course, the Republicans and Democrats won't 1380 00:45:44,545 --> 00:45:45,820 do it either. What does that tell you? 1381 00:45:45,820 --> 00:45:47,500 It tells you, I think, that they both 1382 00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:49,660 got their little enclaves where they're cheating and 1383 00:45:49,660 --> 00:45:52,300 they don't wanna expose that. Right? So, you 1384 00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:54,125 know, they're both passing cards on the table, 1385 00:45:54,125 --> 00:45:55,485 and they don't wanna call the other guy 1386 00:45:55,485 --> 00:45:56,925 out because they're doing the same thing with 1387 00:45:56,925 --> 00:45:59,804 their guys. But, the other aspect of it 1388 00:45:59,804 --> 00:46:01,644 that could be the case is that Edison 1389 00:46:01,644 --> 00:46:02,785 Research is also, 1390 00:46:03,449 --> 00:46:03,949 dishonest. 1391 00:46:04,250 --> 00:46:06,329 So we don't know, but but it it 1392 00:46:06,329 --> 00:46:08,329 brings that up. And when I I asked 1393 00:46:08,329 --> 00:46:09,469 him about the, 1394 00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:12,655 the exit polling, he said, well, the Trump 1395 00:46:12,655 --> 00:46:13,155 Organization 1396 00:46:13,775 --> 00:46:15,715 actually did exit polling. 1397 00:46:16,175 --> 00:46:17,954 And he said what their exit polling, 1398 00:46:18,574 --> 00:46:19,074 showed 1399 00:46:19,535 --> 00:46:20,175 was that, 1400 00:46:21,329 --> 00:46:22,210 there were a lot of people who had 1401 00:46:22,210 --> 00:46:23,829 voted for Trump in 2016 1402 00:46:24,210 --> 00:46:25,569 who were fed up with him because of 1403 00:46:25,569 --> 00:46:27,489 what happened in 2020 and refused to vote 1404 00:46:27,489 --> 00:46:28,929 for him. And so there was a lot 1405 00:46:28,929 --> 00:46:29,589 of people 1406 00:46:29,925 --> 00:46:33,045 that had, abandoned Trump and a lot of 1407 00:46:33,045 --> 00:46:35,065 ballots, he said, where they had, 1408 00:46:35,844 --> 00:46:37,765 with it wasn't you you hear people say, 1409 00:46:37,765 --> 00:46:39,570 well, if there's rigged election, if they only 1410 00:46:39,570 --> 00:46:41,170 voted for the president, they didn't vote down 1411 00:46:41,170 --> 00:46:43,170 ballot. He said there's a lot of ballots 1412 00:46:43,170 --> 00:46:45,809 where they didn't they voted all down ballot, 1413 00:46:45,809 --> 00:46:47,429 but they didn't vote for president. 1414 00:46:48,034 --> 00:46:50,114 And, a lot of Republican ballots that were 1415 00:46:50,114 --> 00:46:51,714 like that. And so, you know, you look 1416 00:46:51,714 --> 00:46:53,315 at some of these things, it's very plausible. 1417 00:46:53,315 --> 00:46:55,474 Steve Bannon said on October 31st when he 1418 00:46:55,474 --> 00:46:57,110 was meeting with a lot of the Chinese 1419 00:46:57,110 --> 00:47:00,710 friends of, this this Chinese billionaire Guo, the 1420 00:47:00,710 --> 00:47:03,085 the communist party guy who supposedly now 1421 00:47:03,644 --> 00:47:05,565 opposed them, but he's been convicted of fraud. 1422 00:47:05,565 --> 00:47:06,065 Anyway, 1423 00:47:06,684 --> 00:47:08,284 he was meeting with those people, and on 1424 00:47:08,284 --> 00:47:09,264 October 31st, 1425 00:47:09,964 --> 00:47:11,780 just a few days before the election, said, 1426 00:47:11,780 --> 00:47:13,539 so here's what's going to happen, you know, 1427 00:47:13,539 --> 00:47:14,353 whatever happens, we're gonna say, Trump won it. 1428 00:47:14,353 --> 00:47:14,839 They're gonna say, no, he didn't. We're gonna 1429 00:47:14,839 --> 00:47:15,780 say, you know, f you and all the 1430 00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:16,900 rest of it. We're gonna do whatever we 1431 00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:18,599 want, you know, that type of thing. 1432 00:47:20,755 --> 00:47:22,355 So there was all that kind of stuff 1433 00:47:22,355 --> 00:47:24,195 that was happening. The fact that we did, 1434 00:47:24,434 --> 00:47:25,414 vote by mail, 1435 00:47:26,034 --> 00:47:27,795 to a larger extent than we had ever 1436 00:47:27,795 --> 00:47:30,250 done before because the so called pandemic, which 1437 00:47:30,250 --> 00:47:32,349 I didn't believe for a moment, 1438 00:47:32,969 --> 00:47:34,969 and and then kept that in, you know, 1439 00:47:34,969 --> 00:47:38,250 through to the, election with, Georgia on January 1440 00:47:38,250 --> 00:47:40,344 the 5th, and we still got that in 1441 00:47:40,344 --> 00:47:42,824 place. So there's all these different things that 1442 00:47:42,824 --> 00:47:44,984 are there. Yeah. There's cheating going on, and 1443 00:47:44,984 --> 00:47:47,460 I told people, I said, yeah. There's never 1444 00:47:47,460 --> 00:47:50,019 been an honest election in my lifetime because 1445 00:47:50,019 --> 00:47:51,860 it starts with who's on the ballot. If 1446 00:47:51,860 --> 00:47:53,699 you're gonna restrict the ballot access and look 1447 00:47:53,699 --> 00:47:54,565 at what we're seeing 1448 00:47:55,764 --> 00:47:56,405 right now, you know, with, Cornel West and 1449 00:47:56,405 --> 00:47:57,944 with r RFK Junior, 1450 00:47:58,324 --> 00:48:00,484 they didn't wanna have and the other guy, 1451 00:48:00,565 --> 00:48:02,964 Dean, they they don't wanna have any competition 1452 00:48:02,964 --> 00:48:05,159 on the Democrat side. And and now all 1453 00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:06,460 the people who did vote 1454 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,059 for the one candidate, 1455 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,280 Biden, they get their vote thrown out, you 1456 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,280 know, on the Democrat side. But it begins 1457 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,260 with ballot access. 1458 00:48:13,605 --> 00:48:16,244 It continues with access to the debates. They 1459 00:48:16,244 --> 00:48:18,485 don't wanna have access to debates. So everything 1460 00:48:18,485 --> 00:48:20,565 about it is rigged. They talk about how 1461 00:48:20,565 --> 00:48:22,670 the news media rigs the information, I think. 1462 00:48:22,670 --> 00:48:24,670 But if you, you know, if you control 1463 00:48:24,670 --> 00:48:26,829 the ballot and you control the debates, you're 1464 00:48:26,829 --> 00:48:27,809 rigging it already. 1465 00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:29,614 Yeah. Now, I mean, I agree with all 1466 00:48:29,614 --> 00:48:31,295 of that, but I'm also have to say 1467 00:48:31,295 --> 00:48:33,215 that it's I'm of the opinion, and maybe 1468 00:48:33,215 --> 00:48:34,655 it's not always been this way, but that 1469 00:48:34,655 --> 00:48:36,494 our vote really doesn't translate to the outcome 1470 00:48:36,494 --> 00:48:37,900 anyway. And And that may just be an 1471 00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:39,420 extension of where we are. And but I 1472 00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:40,780 agree that, you know, the the point is 1473 00:48:40,780 --> 00:48:41,920 that it's it's 1474 00:48:42,380 --> 00:48:43,980 it both those things can exist in the 1475 00:48:43,980 --> 00:48:46,320 conversation. The the claim is is 1476 00:48:46,824 --> 00:48:48,744 self serving and not actually rooted in fact 1477 00:48:48,744 --> 00:48:50,744 from Trump, but also that there's cheating on 1478 00:48:50,744 --> 00:48:52,184 every side all the time. And it makes 1479 00:48:52,184 --> 00:48:53,784 me kinda the where it's going now with 1480 00:48:53,784 --> 00:48:55,619 Trump in this election, in my opinion, of 1481 00:48:55,619 --> 00:48:57,059 him kind of being the choice in before 1482 00:48:57,059 --> 00:48:58,579 all of this, that it kind of all 1483 00:48:58,579 --> 00:49:00,420 starts to make a lot more sense using 1484 00:49:00,420 --> 00:49:02,099 all of these conversations and it all seems 1485 00:49:02,099 --> 00:49:03,780 to be driving it in one clear direction, 1486 00:49:03,780 --> 00:49:06,325 which which worries me. So It's driving in 1487 00:49:06,325 --> 00:49:08,164 the direction of chaos, I think. And and 1488 00:49:08,164 --> 00:49:10,164 Trump is the chaos agent. I've said he's 1489 00:49:10,164 --> 00:49:11,605 kind of the Mason Dixon line of the 1490 00:49:11,605 --> 00:49:12,585 new civil war. 1491 00:49:12,930 --> 00:49:14,309 Yeah. Yeah. I guess everybody 1492 00:49:14,690 --> 00:49:17,090 energized on both sides for and against. Big 1493 00:49:17,090 --> 00:49:17,590 energy 1494 00:49:17,970 --> 00:49:20,690 all around Trump. He's the central focus of 1495 00:49:20,690 --> 00:49:22,525 this, and so the question is, are they 1496 00:49:22,525 --> 00:49:24,285 gonna put him in office and then, you 1497 00:49:24,285 --> 00:49:26,684 know, have this percolate through, you know, a 1498 00:49:26,684 --> 00:49:28,364 little bit into the future, or do they 1499 00:49:28,364 --> 00:49:31,139 want this incident to happen right now? You 1500 00:49:31,139 --> 00:49:32,340 know, they wanna bring it to a head 1501 00:49:32,340 --> 00:49:33,320 now. I don't know. 1502 00:49:33,859 --> 00:49:35,380 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I I I 1503 00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:36,980 don't know either, and I don't think anybody 1504 00:49:36,980 --> 00:49:38,340 does other than the people, you know, trying 1505 00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:39,894 to drive this. But I I let me 1506 00:49:39,894 --> 00:49:41,494 let me I was gonna I I want 1507 00:49:41,574 --> 00:49:42,614 look. We only have a few a little 1508 00:49:42,614 --> 00:49:43,974 bit more time, but I wanted to go 1509 00:49:44,055 --> 00:49:45,094 I want let's go into this a little 1510 00:49:45,094 --> 00:49:47,414 bit further, actually. So the the election itself 1511 00:49:47,414 --> 00:49:49,570 coming, You know? If if I don't know 1512 00:49:49,570 --> 00:49:50,929 what you you I don't know if you 1513 00:49:50,929 --> 00:49:52,449 agree in general with the idea whether your 1514 00:49:52,449 --> 00:49:54,210 vote doesn't translate or not, but that being 1515 00:49:54,210 --> 00:49:55,890 one of the potential points in all of 1516 00:49:55,890 --> 00:49:57,724 this, how do you see this going? Like, 1517 00:49:57,724 --> 00:50:00,045 the complete speculation. But if we're talking about 1518 00:50:00,045 --> 00:50:02,045 something that seems to very clearly be driving 1519 00:50:02,045 --> 00:50:03,789 chaos, and very well, we could both be 1520 00:50:03,789 --> 00:50:05,150 wrong and this could just be organic, but 1521 00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:08,110 nonetheless, is still chaotic. Clearly, people are divided. 1522 00:50:08,110 --> 00:50:10,829 Clearly, there is very extreme heightened levels of 1523 00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:11,890 hatred and vitriol. 1524 00:50:12,255 --> 00:50:13,614 So what what where how do you see 1525 00:50:13,614 --> 00:50:16,175 this all playing out? Because they're both already 1526 00:50:16,175 --> 00:50:18,015 going, they've already cheated or we're gonna have 1527 00:50:18,015 --> 00:50:19,900 to cheat to save democracy. Like, it just 1528 00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:21,739 it's a ridiculous cartoon at this point. So 1529 00:50:21,739 --> 00:50:23,500 what do you think? Yeah. There's no talk 1530 00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:26,079 of reform, is there? It's always about vengeance. 1531 00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:28,295 Right. Revenge and that type of thing. And 1532 00:50:28,295 --> 00:50:29,815 then we know that what they want is 1533 00:50:29,815 --> 00:50:31,735 chaos. Alright? Take a look at what Soros 1534 00:50:31,735 --> 00:50:33,114 has done. He's installed, 1535 00:50:33,414 --> 00:50:36,875 these district attorneys and sometimes state attorneys general, 1536 00:50:37,070 --> 00:50:37,570 to 1537 00:50:37,949 --> 00:50:39,630 just like criminals out on the street because 1538 00:50:39,630 --> 00:50:41,469 he wants chaos. Look at what they did 1539 00:50:41,469 --> 00:50:43,869 with Black Lives Matter riots in the summer 1540 00:50:43,869 --> 00:50:44,769 of 2020, 1541 00:50:45,305 --> 00:50:47,545 But then also look at the chaos that 1542 00:50:47,545 --> 00:50:48,285 was imposed, 1543 00:50:48,825 --> 00:50:51,065 and and Trump was paying for it. You 1544 00:50:51,065 --> 00:50:52,985 know, the the governors were doing it, but 1545 00:50:52,985 --> 00:50:54,510 it was, you know, all the people, oh, 1546 00:50:54,510 --> 00:50:56,750 it's just the democratic governors. No. It wasn't. 1547 00:50:56,750 --> 00:50:59,309 I I see people talking about how Walsh, 1548 00:50:59,630 --> 00:51:01,250 bribed teens, a $100,000 1549 00:51:01,869 --> 00:51:03,964 you might win if you take the jab. 1550 00:51:03,964 --> 00:51:06,284 Well, that was despicable, but, you know, DeWine, 1551 00:51:06,284 --> 00:51:08,144 who is a Republican, was, 1552 00:51:08,525 --> 00:51:10,764 doing it, I believe, before Walt was, and 1553 00:51:10,764 --> 00:51:11,585 he was offering 1554 00:51:12,389 --> 00:51:12,889 $1,000,000 1555 00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:15,030 if you take the vaccine, you know, as 1556 00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:16,789 an incentive. So they were all doing the 1557 00:51:16,789 --> 00:51:18,789 same thing, and they're all being paid with 1558 00:51:18,789 --> 00:51:20,409 fiat cash out of Washington. 1559 00:51:21,114 --> 00:51:23,755 And even though Trump is out there saying, 1560 00:51:23,755 --> 00:51:25,675 well, we could have HCQ, we could have 1561 00:51:25,675 --> 00:51:26,175 ivermectin, 1562 00:51:26,875 --> 00:51:28,394 he he throws that out there like a 1563 00:51:28,394 --> 00:51:29,695 straight like like 1564 00:51:30,829 --> 00:51:31,329 a 1565 00:51:31,789 --> 00:51:34,750 comedian, and then the straight man is Fauci 1566 00:51:34,750 --> 00:51:36,430 who says, oh, you're silly, you know, you 1567 00:51:36,430 --> 00:51:39,655 can't do that. And Trump could have, manufactured 1568 00:51:39,715 --> 00:51:42,994 ivermectin instead of manufacturing ventilators that killed people. 1569 00:51:42,994 --> 00:51:44,514 Right. So he could have easily put that 1570 00:51:44,514 --> 00:51:45,715 out. So you look at all of this 1571 00:51:45,715 --> 00:51:47,750 stuff and you understand that was all about 1572 00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:48,250 chaos. 1573 00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:51,349 The lockdown and the pandemic was about chaos, 1574 00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:53,269 just like the Black Lives Matter stuff was 1575 00:51:53,269 --> 00:51:54,010 about chaos. 1576 00:51:54,514 --> 00:51:57,875 And, Elon Musk, even though I, you know, 1577 00:51:57,875 --> 00:51:59,635 I don't like Elon Musk and I'm really 1578 00:51:59,635 --> 00:52:01,174 banned on, on Twitter, 1579 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,619 heavily heavily banned on shadow banned on Twitter 1580 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:05,900 still. But, 1581 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:07,239 you know, he he, 1582 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,885 he did say something about Soros and about 1583 00:52:10,885 --> 00:52:12,344 where elections matter, 1584 00:52:12,644 --> 00:52:15,364 and he said, Soros puts his money at 1585 00:52:15,364 --> 00:52:17,605 the local level because he gets bigger bang 1586 00:52:17,605 --> 00:52:19,550 for his buck. You know, you you start 1587 00:52:19,550 --> 00:52:21,710 throwing your money into this these races where 1588 00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:24,430 there's a $1,000,000,000 floating around. It's pretty hard 1589 00:52:24,430 --> 00:52:25,950 to have an influence, but if you go 1590 00:52:25,950 --> 00:52:28,304 into you put a $1,000,000 into a local 1591 00:52:28,304 --> 00:52:30,465 race, you can get one of these chaos 1592 00:52:30,465 --> 00:52:33,105 agents as a district attorney. And so I 1593 00:52:33,105 --> 00:52:35,250 really do believe that it is at the 1594 00:52:35,250 --> 00:52:37,809 local level, and I don't wanna just black 1595 00:52:37,809 --> 00:52:40,210 people black pill people. I do believe that 1596 00:52:40,210 --> 00:52:41,250 there's things that we can do at the 1597 00:52:41,250 --> 00:52:42,849 local level. First of all, it starts with 1598 00:52:42,849 --> 00:52:44,934 us. Right. And it starts with us getting 1599 00:52:44,934 --> 00:52:47,494 our family together, getting our relationship right with 1600 00:52:47,494 --> 00:52:49,594 God, learning how to do skills, 1601 00:52:50,054 --> 00:52:52,215 starting to grow our own food, meeting our 1602 00:52:52,215 --> 00:52:54,519 neighbors, working with our neighbors, starting to try 1603 00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:56,440 to get good people in the local office. 1604 00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,619 I know that that's a really difficult thing, 1605 00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:01,900 but you can have more of effect there 1606 00:53:02,114 --> 00:53:03,494 than you can in Washington. 1607 00:53:03,875 --> 00:53:06,114 Right. And, so, you know, that's where you 1608 00:53:06,114 --> 00:53:07,255 need to start focusing 1609 00:53:07,554 --> 00:53:10,010 from the bottom up to try to to 1610 00:53:10,010 --> 00:53:10,489 build, 1611 00:53:10,890 --> 00:53:12,269 systems around yourself, 1612 00:53:12,730 --> 00:53:14,969 and and you'll, in the process, have a 1613 00:53:14,969 --> 00:53:17,210 richer, fuller life as well if you start 1614 00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:19,074 to do something like that. And so I 1615 00:53:19,074 --> 00:53:21,474 think they want to focus they want to 1616 00:53:21,474 --> 00:53:23,715 isolate us. They want us to focus all 1617 00:53:23,715 --> 00:53:26,295 of our hopes and fears on Washington, 1618 00:53:26,809 --> 00:53:28,130 and the that is, 1619 00:53:28,569 --> 00:53:29,710 the those two things 1620 00:53:30,089 --> 00:53:32,089 are just a a path to destruction, and 1621 00:53:32,089 --> 00:53:34,010 that's what we really need to, push back 1622 00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:34,909 against, I think. 1623 00:53:35,244 --> 00:53:37,164 I agree completely. And I I think that's 1624 00:53:37,164 --> 00:53:38,525 actually a really good note to end on 1625 00:53:38,525 --> 00:53:39,804 right there. I was gonna get a little 1626 00:53:39,804 --> 00:53:41,405 bit into Twitter and the kind of overlap 1627 00:53:41,405 --> 00:53:42,925 and, you know, the the I I really 1628 00:53:43,170 --> 00:53:44,449 the point just to make the same, and 1629 00:53:44,449 --> 00:53:46,289 this we were briefly talking before about the 1630 00:53:46,289 --> 00:53:48,690 the Garm overlap and how clearly there's this 1631 00:53:48,690 --> 00:53:50,530 weird lie about being involved with it by 1632 00:53:50,530 --> 00:53:51,964 pertaining to sue it. And, you know, I 1633 00:53:51,964 --> 00:53:53,644 think that my concern is that through all 1634 00:53:53,644 --> 00:53:56,125 of this, the clearly, Twitter is playing a 1635 00:53:56,125 --> 00:53:57,964 central role, but just social media in general 1636 00:53:57,964 --> 00:53:59,179 and the kind of divide and 1637 00:53:59,579 --> 00:54:01,739 the bots and Israeli bots and the foreign 1638 00:54:01,739 --> 00:54:04,300 policy, that clearly it's we're being gamed right 1639 00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:06,139 now. And I and I I the concern 1640 00:54:06,139 --> 00:54:07,819 is that it's as I pointed out over 1641 00:54:07,819 --> 00:54:09,704 the years, it's it it also it's a 1642 00:54:09,704 --> 00:54:11,545 teeter it's a teeter totter. You know? COVID 1643 00:54:11,545 --> 00:54:13,065 19, I think it's obvious that the left 1644 00:54:13,065 --> 00:54:15,884 was far more manipulated, far more focused on. 1645 00:54:16,449 --> 00:54:17,969 Now it's going the other direction. I think 1646 00:54:17,969 --> 00:54:20,130 primarily with the Israel conversation, but a lot 1647 00:54:20,130 --> 00:54:21,650 of different ways. And I just And that 1648 00:54:21,650 --> 00:54:22,929 was part of what Trump was able to 1649 00:54:22,929 --> 00:54:24,369 bring to the table. He was able to 1650 00:54:24,369 --> 00:54:25,670 pacify the people, 1651 00:54:26,164 --> 00:54:27,925 in a way that Hillary Clinton couldn't have. 1652 00:54:27,925 --> 00:54:29,605 You know, if Hillary Clinton had tried the 1653 00:54:29,605 --> 00:54:31,625 same garbage that Trump did in 2020, 1654 00:54:32,324 --> 00:54:34,085 the right would have risen up. And so 1655 00:54:34,085 --> 00:54:35,909 that's one of the things when you look 1656 00:54:35,989 --> 00:54:37,989 going forward, maybe that's what they're how they're 1657 00:54:37,989 --> 00:54:39,909 gonna use Trump again. You know, maybe they'll 1658 00:54:39,909 --> 00:54:41,269 just use them to kick off a civil 1659 00:54:41,269 --> 00:54:43,750 war. Maybe they'll use him to as a 1660 00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:44,730 giant pacifier 1661 00:54:45,474 --> 00:54:46,934 in the mouth of MAGA. 1662 00:54:47,715 --> 00:54:49,795 That's what people choose to start with. That 1663 00:54:49,795 --> 00:54:51,954 is a really great and a great horrifying 1664 00:54:51,954 --> 00:54:54,289 image and a great great analogy. You know, 1665 00:54:54,289 --> 00:54:55,809 I've said that so many times and I 1666 00:54:55,809 --> 00:54:57,730 usually reference it with Obama. But my point 1667 00:54:57,730 --> 00:54:59,170 is that if, you know, if if it 1668 00:54:59,170 --> 00:55:00,769 was you're you're right. If it was Clinton 1669 00:55:00,769 --> 00:55:02,369 that won or just any other democrat in 1670 00:55:02,369 --> 00:55:04,525 that position, they did a fraction of what 1671 00:55:04,525 --> 00:55:05,965 Trump did. Yeah. Of course, that, you know, 1672 00:55:05,965 --> 00:55:07,804 during Obama, he would he would blink hard 1673 00:55:07,804 --> 00:55:09,164 and they would scream martial law. You know, 1674 00:55:09,164 --> 00:55:10,684 it's like it's clear Mhmm. That and we 1675 00:55:10,684 --> 00:55:12,349 probably should be, but it was, you know, 1676 00:55:12,349 --> 00:55:15,389 literally rolled out production martial law. Literally created 1677 00:55:15,389 --> 00:55:17,070 the infrastructure for all of what, you know, 1678 00:55:17,070 --> 00:55:18,989 handed the baton off to Biden. You know, 1679 00:55:18,989 --> 00:55:20,510 so it just it is terrifying to see 1680 00:55:20,510 --> 00:55:22,465 that so many people can't see past that. 1681 00:55:22,465 --> 00:55:24,224 And I guess Can you imagine say go 1682 00:55:24,224 --> 00:55:25,664 ahead. Let me just say can you imagine 1683 00:55:25,664 --> 00:55:27,265 if Obama or Hillary had said, take the 1684 00:55:27,265 --> 00:55:28,920 guns and do the due process like Yeah. 1685 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,359 Or or don't worry. I can ban the 1686 00:55:30,359 --> 00:55:32,280 bumping stocks on my own. I I don't 1687 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,179 need to bump 1688 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,719 in. It's willful ignorance. You know? People it's 1689 00:55:35,799 --> 00:55:37,319 we have they they have their chosen ID 1690 00:55:37,319 --> 00:55:38,679 log. We don't want to see it. And 1691 00:55:38,679 --> 00:55:40,344 it's quite clearly as I'm sure I'm sure 1692 00:55:40,344 --> 00:55:41,625 we both agree, it's on both sides of 1693 00:55:41,625 --> 00:55:43,945 that paradigm. It's just your government manipulating you. 1694 00:55:43,945 --> 00:55:45,784 But I just this is all just largely 1695 00:55:45,784 --> 00:55:47,704 today a call to hope people can stand 1696 00:55:47,704 --> 00:55:49,890 back, take a breather, and look and see 1697 00:55:49,890 --> 00:55:52,289 the bigger picture and recognize that the government 1698 00:55:52,289 --> 00:55:53,410 is trying to play you. You know? And 1699 00:55:53,410 --> 00:55:55,010 this is why I respect your work so 1700 00:55:55,010 --> 00:55:56,690 much, David, is because you you stand with 1701 00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:58,635 your integrity and, you know, you you stand 1702 00:55:58,635 --> 00:56:01,035 by your what you believe in clearly through 1703 00:56:01,035 --> 00:56:02,554 thick and thin, and I think that deserves 1704 00:56:02,554 --> 00:56:03,875 praise. And so thank you for Thank you. 1705 00:56:03,994 --> 00:56:05,675 Joining me today and continue to do this 1706 00:56:05,675 --> 00:56:07,570 work. And I'd love to connect again as 1707 00:56:07,570 --> 00:56:09,969 more chaos ensues and and talk again. I'd 1708 00:56:09,969 --> 00:56:11,570 love to. Thank you, Ryan. Yeah. I'm afraid 1709 00:56:11,570 --> 00:56:13,410 it's gonna be interesting times, isn't it? And 1710 00:56:13,410 --> 00:56:15,329 I just I wanna let you know, look 1711 00:56:15,329 --> 00:56:16,710 at what happened in 2020 1712 00:56:17,035 --> 00:56:19,035 and how different it was in different jurisdictions, 1713 00:56:19,035 --> 00:56:20,974 and that should underscore to you the importance 1714 00:56:21,275 --> 00:56:23,594 of things happening at the local level. That's 1715 00:56:23,594 --> 00:56:24,094 difficult, 1716 00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:26,309 but it's really the only place I think 1717 00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:28,650 we've got any hope left, really. 1718 00:56:28,949 --> 00:56:31,029 Yeah. I agree. I agree. Well, thank you 1719 00:56:31,029 --> 00:56:32,905 for joining me, David, again. And, you know, 1720 00:56:33,065 --> 00:56:34,505 anything else you wanna leave us with on 1721 00:56:34,505 --> 00:56:36,105 the way out, upcoming events or, you know, 1722 00:56:36,105 --> 00:56:37,385 things you're gonna be putting out soon or 1723 00:56:37,385 --> 00:56:39,144 anything? No. If you wanna find the show, 1724 00:56:39,144 --> 00:56:40,605 you can go to the davidknightshow.com, 1725 00:56:41,304 --> 00:56:43,579 and we have, where the show is. We 1726 00:56:43,579 --> 00:56:45,180 did the show live, and then we put 1727 00:56:45,180 --> 00:56:47,820 up archives on several different video platforms as 1728 00:56:47,820 --> 00:56:49,820 well as an audio podcast. So you can 1729 00:56:49,820 --> 00:56:51,894 find links to all that stuff there. It 1730 00:56:51,894 --> 00:56:53,734 can be pretty hard to find me, if 1731 00:56:53,734 --> 00:56:55,894 you just use the search engine, especially if 1732 00:56:55,894 --> 00:56:57,815 the search engine is Google. They they they 1733 00:56:57,815 --> 00:56:59,255 work pretty hard to try to keep me 1734 00:56:59,255 --> 00:57:00,690 quiet. So if you go to the dave 1735 00:57:00,690 --> 00:57:01,889 and knight show dot com, that's where you 1736 00:57:01,889 --> 00:57:03,969 can find the stuff. Absolutely. I'll be included 1737 00:57:03,969 --> 00:57:05,329 in the show notes below, so make sure 1738 00:57:05,329 --> 00:57:07,170 you check that out. And as always, everybody 1739 00:57:07,170 --> 00:57:09,545 out there question everything. Come to your own 1740 00:57:09,545 --> 00:57:11,005 conclusions. Stay vigilant.