Welcome to the last American vagabond. Joining me
today to discuss the newest
Venezuela coup attempt. I've just laughing a moment
ago about how many times it's actually been.
And to discuss the interesting overlap of the
usual social media, mainstream media overlap kind of
agenda CIA push to frame things a certain
way, the starvation tactics versus the sanctions and
so on, and how long back this is.
And an interesting overlap of Elon Musk and
kind of the different version of the where
we are today with social media. Here to
discuss all of this and give me his
thoughts about it is Jimmy Doerr. Thanks for
joining me, Jimmy. How are you? My pleasure.
Good to see you. You too, man. You
too. This is something you talked a lot
about in the past, you know, just and
rightly so about Venezuela, about the regime change
efforts, the the manipulation around the media in
general, and the suffering of the people. You
know? And so I thought it was a
good person to have, you know, have you
jump on and talk about where you think
this one's going and kinda just what you
see in it in general. So I I
kinda like to start in general with, you
know, your thoughts on the past, the background,
you know, your thoughts on past Venezuelan regime
change efforts, what you think, what's going on
there, and, you know, kinda just your general
premise on why that's all happening.
Well,
you know, Trump gave the game away, I
think a month or 2 ago. He was
given a campaign speech, and he, you know,
he put the sanctions on,
Venezuela in an attempt to start a color
revolution, an attempt to cause economic pain that
would cause the people to,
uprise and try to overthrow their government. And
then we would come in and install a
puppet like Juan Guaido, and we could,
we could steal their oil. Right? And so
this all started as and so he said
that. He said, boy,
Venezuela was ready to go. They were if
I was there, we coulda had all that
oil. We coulda had all that oil. And
he said it. I mean, so he that's
his he said that before. Like, when they
asked him, why are you leaving the troops
in Syria? And he said, for the oil,
the oil is secured.
The oil is ours. It's our oil. And
so,
that's again why he's a bad face of
imperialism.
He'll just tell the truth sometimes. That's Right.
It's like it's not because he's a big
liar. If you think the establishment hates Donald
Trump because he went to Washington DC and
started lying, I've got a vaccine I'd like
to sell you. The reason why he's bad
for them is because he's such a political
novice is that he blurts out the the
truth, about our foreign policy. And our foreign
policy is about,
invading, cooing, invading, overthrowing, installing puppets, and stealing
smaller, weaker countries' natural resources. And that that's
exactly what's been happening
ever since, Chavez wanted to keep the oil
and distribute it
to the poor.
That's been a big problem for the oligarchy,
not only in Venezuela, but for for here
too. So,
that's obviously the game. And so what I
what surprises me so much
is that with the advent of, you know,
Twitter and and,
and YouTube shows like mine and shows like
yours
and,
you know, the gray zone and what we've
all learned from from Libya, what we've all
learned from 20 years of the Afghan papers,
what we've learned from Ukraine,
what we that it all goes out the
window and people
immediately because you say Maduro is a communist,
the MAGA people
seem
ready to go along with this because he's
a communist and,
that that those those,
elections are
fraudulent.
And what I say to those people
is
the only reason you have a you know,
they just had an election in the country,
and I'm blanking on the name of the
country in Africa,
where the winner got 95% of the vote.
Did you hear Anthony Blinken saying anything about
that? Did you hear Elon Musk saying anything
about that? Well, that's because they're okay with
that, that we love dictators. We as long
as we can control them. Right? So it's
democracy that's messy for the the economic hitmen
of the west. Right? And so what I
tell people is that the only reason you
have an opinion on the election
integrity of Venezuela or care at all is
because you've been told to. You've been fed
this idea
that you should care about it by the
economic hitmen who've been overthrowing and trying to
cool their governments for the last 25 years
and installing puppets so they can steal their
natural resources.
The fact is it doesn't matter if that
was a 100% fraudulent election,
which it what doesn't seem like it was
at all. It seems like it was on
the up and up. But because there was
almost a 1,000
observers election observers, and I haven't heard anything,
but the point is even if it was
a fraudulent election, that's none of our fucking
business. That's none of your business. That's none
of my business.
That's none of Elon Musk's business. That's up
for the, people of Venezuela to work out
internally their political problems. Just like they go,
well, all those protesters can't be paid. I
heard someone say that all of them can't
be paid. Well, so because people are protesting
a government, we're supposed to now then go
in and help coup that government, and we're
supposed to overthrow no. You know, there were
people processing on January 6th in the United
States. They didn't like the elect the results
of that election. Should we have invited another
country to come in and impose their form
of democracy on our country? Hey. Even though
I know I don't live in a democracy
in the United States, for a fact, I
live in an oligarchy and our leaders are
elected, not elected. I know that. I still
don't want another country coming in here and
imposing their idea of what democracy should be
at my country. So we should do the
same thing with, Venezuela.
With we it's a hands off Venezuela. It's
none of our business. And the only reason
you care or have an opinion is because
you've been told to by the same people
who did Ukraine, the same people who did
Syria, the same people who did Libya, Iraq,
and Afghanistan for 20 years. That's the only
reason you're falling into the same people's heads.
Just like Maduro said, the same system that
j f that killed JFK, tried to assassinate
Trump, are the same the same system you're
propping up by having an
opinion about the election in Venezuela. So that's
where I stand. Absolutely. Well said. And and
I think that to point out that it's
as you're highlighting this long term
effort, it's been both sides of the false
paradigm. Right? And that's important to see that
it's always the same thing. And, you know,
it's I I might have even been you
that made this point. I forget, but the
the good example on top of what you
said is Haiti, for example, that hasn't had
an election in quite a long time, but
they don't seem to have an issue with
that because clearly they're getting what they want
from it. You know, it's this hypocrisy.
I'd love to ask you a little bit
more about what you pointed out there. And,
you know, I actually not even sure exactly
where you stand today on maybe nowhere where
you think your kind of political leaning is.
But
I I hate the way that this tends
to be, you know, communism bad, x, y,
and z good. This really lazy one-sided view
of it all. So I wanted your thoughts
on the history around simply, like, you already
kind of highlighted just claiming Venezuela is the
problem when obviously it's US and foreign entities,
at least in a large part, causing their
problems. But the weird effort to always make
it about communism or socialism, my opinion is
simply that any government, as we're literally living
through right now, can collect to the top,
power at the top, and and abuse you
in the same way. I don't think it's
unique to any one of these things. But
what's your thought on that and and why
communism is such a focal point or socialism
of of the ire of the right?
Well, because the people who again, the economic
hitmen have very cleverly,
wedded the the term communism to mean,
the worst forms of authoritarianism
and dictatorship
along with,
everything they hate about the woke left and
the identity politics that has shoved down their
throats.
And,
so they've so that's what people associate communism
with. You know? The the
the the if you go to Venezuela, it's
not the communism
of of old Russia,
right, of the Soviet Union. It's not. It's,
they
they've nationalized their natural resources, which I wish
we would do that here at the United
States. Right.
Why does ExxonMobil get to make 100 of
1,000,000,000 of dollars in Shell Oil, taking the
oil that's underneath all of our land? Right?
So, anyway, but that's another story. But if
you go there, that would say 80% of
their,
their economy is not state run. It's that
they have, you know, capitalism and and, they
have buying and selling in the stores and
individual ownerships and all that. So people are
of course, people aren't told that. They're told
they're communist. Right? And so they they have
this idea. We've all been conditioned,
to hate communism and to think it's the,
you know, equal, you know, equal to Nazism
and authoritarianism
and all that stuff. And all,
you know, Chavez and Maduro, it seems to
me, have really done is made sure that
the wealth of the country inherently in their
natural resources
is then shared with the people of that
country instead of a handful of oligarchs, which
puts him in,
you know, puts Maduro and Chavez
in opposition to their own oligarchy. Right? And
Mhmm. So that's why they were, you know,
hoarding,
their goods, and, the government had to go
in and break into warehouses. And it's so
but this again, it's all the same economic
hit men, the capitalists,
who did the sanctions. Now they you know,
we won't so when the United States sanctions
them, they're not allowed to it makes it
much harder for them to sell their natural
resources.
And because,
and so now they're living so we're creating
economic strife inside. It's not they go, well,
communism doesn't work, and that's why their economy
is so bad. Well, if you really believe
that that communism is destined to fail, and
why don't you just let it alone? Why
would you why do you have to impose
all these unbelievable sanctions? And the United States
sanctions are powerful because
we are still the reserve currency of the
world. Right now, the United States has about
a third of the world under economic sanctions,
which is why there are now power centers
like BRICS and others coming together
to find a way out of this. Right?
Because they're so sick of us weaponizing the
dollar the way the United States has that
they need to find an alternative. So what
it is is basically just terrorism,
what the United States is doing. We're terrorizing
Venezuela. We're terrorizing,
other country Russia.
When we do our economics, economic terrorism. You
know, when sanctions are a form of war.
And
so if we really believe that Maduro would,
would would would fail, his economic system would
fail, why don't we let him do it?
Same thing with with, Cuba. If we really
think it would fail, why do we have
to have sanctions on it that cripple that
country economically? Why don't we let him just
have an an equal shot at it and
see what happens? Because, of course, we know.
Because the economic hit men, the capitalists,
the last thing they want you to do
is to be shown that a certain form
of socialism is actually good. A certain form
might actually work. And, that because that means
less money for them.
So,
that's why it has and it's very powerful.
It really does work. You call them a
a communist, and that's all peeps a lot
of people have to hear. But as I
have a my my my audience is left
wing, center, and
right wing MAGA. I have, you know, socialist
and Bolsheviks
watch my show. I have MAGA people watch
my show. So I've been trying to explain,
to the MAGA people over this Venezuela thing
is that you've been you're being manipulated by
the same people who, you
know, the same faction of people who did
Ukraine, did Iraq, did Libya, Syria.
They're it's the same people, and it's for
the same exact reasons. It's It's for it's
for economic terrorism and for the to fill
their pockets,
not yours.
Yeah. Exactly. And, you know, it's such a
constant reality. And I'm glad you're saying that
too because, you know, I love that that
there are it's one of the things I'm
really trying to show people as a lot
of these things seem to kinda be dismantled
and burning down for any number of reasons
is that they're always desperate to make this
such a partisan issue. COVID 19 was not
partisan as much as they tried to make
it that way. Even with Israel right now,
these are always slanted. But you can it's
it's much more open than they want you
to see. And so that's that example is
perfect right there is that you have people
all across the spectrum watching your show because
you're interested in getting into things that aren't
only pitted into one side or the other.
And this has been pitted in that for
such a long time. And you you mentioned,
oh, what I did wanna say one thing
about the percentages. You made a great point
right there.
Somebody who just brought this to my attention,
which is interesting that the the natural resource
part of it is very important. And even
with bricks and the rest of it, I'm
always on guard that these are still governments
that will still
attempt, in my opinion, to collect power at
the top in any form. But I agree
that there it's the logical resist response to
it. And and the idea is that clearly
the percentages, I think the US government or
the United States situation is only about 13%
more
or less rather of government control. And it's
a small percentage difference and yet there are
this communist socialist problem and the US is
the exact opposite of the shining beacon. You
know, it's it's just blindness. It's lying to
yourself about it. You know? And what I
what I I think is important to get
into Trump's coup
during his during his administration.
And the interesting point and I have a
clip if we wanna play it from both
Bolton and from Elon or,
Elliott.
I'm blanking on his name all of a
sudden. But, anyway, the bolt there are 2
Trump representatives,
Abrams, Elliott Abrams, and they're both publicly admitting
to the fact their sanctions are the reason
they're suffering. But, of course, as you just
briefly mentioned a moment ago, that's the whole
point. Driving the people to suffer so they
revolt on their government. And this caused, as
they again point to in in celebration almost,
the caravan,
which was then later used to push other
policies of of immigration. And so I want
your thoughts on that. We're seeing this around
the SAVE Act and the digital ID involvement
around the voting, the illegal immigrants. Like, I
feel like the right is being played in
so many ways right now through these wedge
issues. So can you give me your thoughts
on the whole caravan, which probably is gonna
happen again after this goes forward?
Yeah. Well, I've tried to explain to my
audience that, you know, the effect of Donald
Trump putting sanctions,
you know, and John Bolton,
that cretin, putting sanctions on Venezuela and then
bragging about it,
is that I think 7,000,000 people have left
Venezuela because of the economic pain that we're
inflicting.
And where do you think those 7,000,000 people
are going? Right? Do you think they're going
to Guatemala?
They're coming to the United States. Right? And
so and then they have the the same
oligarchs who are putting on those sanctions.
Make sure there's an open border policy here
in the United States. Right? So Right. And
then they give them, you know, debit cards,
and we've seen what hap we've seen what's
happening. And that there's a reason why that's
happening, and it's because of our economic policies,
because of our drug war.
And, you know, the New York Times just
admitted accidentally,
that,
they've they just they just arrested the 2
biggest
drug cartels from Mexico,
and they admitted in that article accidentally, again,
unwittingly,
that this will have no effect on the
drug trade or the fentanyl coming or the
cocaine coming in. And in fact, it will
increase violence
because now there's gonna be a scramble,
for that kind of power to fill the
vacuum that was created by those arrests. So
the the drug trade never gonna stop. We're
just gonna keep exacerbating the problems that come
because of it. And so it's the same
thing with our economic sanctions. And so, you
know, once I found out that
Venezuela had more oil
than Saudi Arabia, I knew it was just
a matter of time before we had to
bring their people some democracy. Of course. That's
what
happened. And you see when you see Antony
Blinken saying
that he's
concerned that the will of the of the
Venezuelan people is not being expressed.
He doesn't give a shit about the will
of the United States people being expressed. Right
now, they he's supporting a candidate that hasn't
gotten one vote. And all of a sudden,
she's supposed to be the next president of
the United States because they rigged another primary.
That's 3 in a row. These people who
say they were putting democracy on the ballot,
rigged 3 primaries. The Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton,
which was admitted to by the DNC chairwoman,
Madonna Brazil, and Elizabeth Warren admitted it on
the on CNN that they rigged that 20
16 primary. The problem was Bernie Sanders is
such a cut to power. He would never
bring bring that up or make them pay
a price for doing so. Right? He's just
a a worthless,
go along for the empire,
which is what his role was. His role
is to take all the revolutionary
energy that was in the left and funnel
it back into a pro war anti worker
party, and that's exactly what happened. Right? Which
is why a lot of people hated me
who were Bernie supporters for a while, but
I now they've all come back around. They
all realized, oh, turns out I hated Jimmy
when he was telling me the truth about
Bernie.
But that was just now I've now I
see the truth, and he was right. So
that happens all. That happened with AOC with
forced to vote. It happened with Bernie Sanders.
It happened with Hillary Clinton. It happens with
this. So I'm used to that happening with
me and my show and people hating me
because I'm telling them the truth. They don't
wanna hear it first. And then but so
so that's the so the same people if
you really believe Antony Blinken cares about the
will
of the people of Venezuela
when they obviously don't give a shit about
the will of the people in the United
States, then I've got a vaccine I'd like
to sell you. Of course, of course, they
don't care. And you're being manipulated again. And
I tell my audience all these things, and
some of them hear it, and some of
them, it takes a little while longer for
it because that anti communism bug is deeply
embedded. It is, it is it's like a
tick. You had you gotta burn it out.
And,
I'm I'm doing the best I can, but
that's,
you know, you know, I I think a
lot the problem is, like, you get asswipes
like, you know, Elon Musk out there,
pushing the propaganda at the top of his
lungs. You know, people forget that when they
did a coup in Bolivia for the cobalt,
people,
he bragged about it. He said, that's right.
We'll we'll coup anybody we want for the
cobalt. I'm I'm not making that up. I
saw that tweet. Mhmm. I've I've got it
up on the screen. He actually deleted it
recently, which I think is important.
Ah,
no kidding. Yeah. But this is just a
screenshot because it's now gone. I think I've
got that up too. But, you know, I
I I don't know. I tried to find
out exactly when it happened because it's even
more relevant if it just happened. You know?
Okay. Now I took a screenshot of your
screenshot, so now I have Good. Good.
Yeah. I mean, it's it's important. And this
actually were just where I was gonna go
next in general, you know, the the
interesting overlap to this. And we we're gonna
talk just about Venezuela. We can really go
any other direction we want. But it it's
also this bigger thing that I just can't
not see at the moment. This
mostly aimed at the right, and it's through
this kind of as I think we even
already, you recently talked with Whitney about the
JD Vance, Steele,
Elon Musk, kind of this weird developing like,
the way I keep framing it, it's like
the Citibank Obama scenario. It's like we're watching
the same thing but technocratically directed
happening in front of us. You know? And
so right now, what I wanted to get
into is what you just described, but in
the interest of lithium.
Right? We're we're clearly in this direction now
of rare earth minerals and how important that
is, the China overlap.
Bolivia,
which is where that tweet comes from, is
obviously one of the largest lithium locations on
the planet. And, clearly,
he responded, and that that was what the
whole point was about to say, we'll cool
whoever we want. And lithium is obviously important
to what he is driving forward.
So the question then becomes, is that now
something that's part of this? Because
Venezuela has one of kind of one of
the most undiscussed lithium
reservoirs, whatever you wanna call it, in the
world as well. It's a gigantic one, billions
of tons. And so I wonder whether that's
a part of this. And so we have
to thirst your thoughts on that, and then
I'll we can go over some of the,
I mean, aggressive
disinformation that he's been sharing from very pro
Israel accounts that seem to have already deleted
a lot of what he's been sharing. You
know? So what are your thoughts on that
whole kind of swirling dynamic and and why
this is happening?
Well,
I've so let me correct myself. I thought
I said cobalt,
but it was lithium.
So, yeah, I think he's part of it
too, to be honest. Okay. So but that's
certainly why he's interested.
And, yes, he's been
I I just was talking about this at
dinner last night that, yeah, he's out there
spreading, you know, disinformation
hard, and, of course, he's using he's manipulating
his algorithm to to boost his own disinformation.
But at least he's not stopping anybody else
from countering it. Right? So that's really all
all all I can ask. I mean, I
think it's horrible that he's spreading disinformation, and
I will denounce him for it. But at
least he'll let me denounce him for it.
Right? So,
that that's a I think that's a positive.
That's all I want, is I I want
a chance to be able to speak freely
in the public square, and that's what
Twitter is. That's what Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.
I'm I'm just about to get banned for
my second time from TikTok. They're the worst.
But,
yeah. I agree. Yeah.
But but Twitter is really,
you know, it's not perfect by any means
whatsoever,
but it is a 1000%
better than it was, and it's 1000% better
than Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. That's for sure.
I mean, in TikTok, that's for sure. So,
yeah, I I I like the chance. I
like the fact that regular people
can, respond to him. So, for instance, I
saw,
Jackson the Harry Hinkle
do a tweet against,
Elon Musk's pro, you know, coup in Venezuela
propaganda.
And he got, like, 40,000 likes on it,
Like, which and so that was that's really
encouraging. Right? So people people's voices like Roger
Waters can be heard now and get a
lot of eyeballs. Millions of people will see
it. Not just the millions of people that
normally just see the propaganda.
So,
you know, it's it's like if if The
New York Times allowed you to post on
their front page, I'd feel a lot better
about The New York Times than I do.
But Twitter allows you to post on their
front page. So,
that's really all I want. That's
that's that's enough for me. I think that's
enough to save a
a semblance of democracy.
Well, I would I would push back a
little. I agree with you in a general
sense. I really do. I mean, like, obviously,
I have my account. Right? That's the first
thing I always say. It's like, well, it's
hard for me to to complain
that I you know, but to your point,
I'm I'm here now when I wasn't before.
But my personal gut, but can opinion, I
I feel like there there's something much different
happening today that I can't necessarily prove at
every angle. But I feel like a lot
of it today is much more social engineering
and algorithmic
machine learning kind of stuff. And so, you
know, it's hard to say, I hope you're
right. And I, you know, I I see
the benefits of it too. But I also
see a lot of the downside, and I
I wouldn't argue that everybody's getting that. I
do like, to your point, having such aggressive
out you know,
promotion versus suppression. And some cases, just people
straight up being censored still because that is
still happening. So it's a mixed bag. But
I do agree that in some cases, I
see that, and I'm glad to be able
to post and respond as well. But I
just worry that it's still having the desired
effect even if we're, you know, allowed to
scream into a little bit of a scene
corner, but not as you know, I just
feel like it's a little bit different. But
I think people at least go I don't
mean to interrupt you, but people can at
least
they can go to your Twitter feed if
they're interested and go to Glenn Greenwald's Twitter
feed. They can go to Matt.
They could go to Anya Parampel and Max
Blumenthal and Aaron Mate. They can go to
my Jackson Hinkle and they so people, if
they're interested and go, hey. Wow. Well, I
wonder what their ex. I wonder what they're
saying about what,
you know, Elon Musk is tweeting out. I
wonder what they're saying about what the New
York Times is saying or Antony Blinken is
saying or And so now at least they
can go and find that stuff very easily,
and then they can also help amplify it.
So yeah. I hear yeah. Again, like I
said, it's not perfect,
but it's a it's a thousand times better
than it used to be. Yeah. No. It's
still a fair point. And I I don't
disagree. I think that at the end of
the day, we're seeing a definite you know,
some positives that weren't there before. I just
again, something internally just tells me that it's
not what it appears to be, you know,
that we'll see down the line. Oh, that's
kind of what was happening right there. But
I I get it. I hope that this
is a positive direction. But to the to
the main point, though so the question becomes,
is it is it
I
mean, let's just leave let's let's just say
we agree that there's positives to this, that
we have we're able to get past it.
But then on the other side of it,
we have stuff like this, which is what
we were just kind of highlighting. 1, this
is the one that's already been deleted. And
I just simply said, once again, e Elon
blindly sharing Zionist propaganda, Elon is. By the
way, Elon has deleted the tweet I was
just highlighting a second ago. That's this one
that's now gone about Will Koo, whoever we
want, that everybody wrote about, very real. But
the point was about this tweet that he's
now deleted himself as well. Coming from another
tweet, which Bismarckrad has also deleted. Go ahead.
What oh, let me can I see it?
Can you show it? Yeah. This is the
one right here. So the the Elon Musk
is sharing this tweet. This he deleted this
tweet that just simply says this is messed
up.
And then
a visregrad 24, who is a I mean,
I've I've done segments on this. They're they've
deleted so many tweets that have been incorrect
information about Israel. They're very much an Israeli
propaganda platform. And it was a fake video
that went around saying armed Maduro gangs were
stealing polling information. It wasn't. They're they are,
air air conditioners. It's an old video, and
they were even fact checked on Twitter. But
I think it's interesting. Right? So this got
45,000,000
views. You can't see that now since it's
been deleted even by him. But 45,000,000 views
on this reach, which most people don't turn
around and recognize that it's false. You know?
So I've got a lot of examples we
can go over. Here's Megatron calling him out
saying you're spreading fake news. So the question
is and again, let me be clear. I
agree with you. This is free speech. He
has a right to lie knowingly. That's free
speech that I'll defend. And so we have
a right to jump in and say you're
lying. Right? But what are your thoughts on
this and, you know, the is it have
they recognized that it's just more beneficial to
allow us to scream on the corners when
this is getting enough reach? And I guarantee
this is affecting things around the world. What's
your thoughts on this?
No. Obviously, it's affecting things around the world.
That's why he does it. He wants to
affect things around the world, and that's why
he bought the platform because he wanted to
affect things around the world. And so,
yeah, it's it's,
definitely
discouraging.
I would
it's discouraging to see, you know, Elon Musk.
But let's say yeah. Yeah. I'd rather had
to remind myself. Oh my god. Yeah. Of
course. He's a he's a billionaire defense contractor
at the end of the day. And,
you know, he's being propped up by the
same deep state he And for whatever reason,
he decided to give people a little more
free speech than any other platform. Maybe that's
his edge to get people to come there,
which it's I'm sure it is,
like a marketing strategy.
And Let me add one thing real quick.
I heard recently somebody saying, this seems like
a valley point that maybe he's just playing
everybody. Right? That he's just a he's just
trying to get a benefit from every side.
He's kind of playing towards everybody. That would
make sense to me, and it's not he's
not like the big boogeyman. He's just trying
to make benefit from everybody. That would make
sense.
Yeah. I,
he's, you know, he's definitely in bed with
the with the defense department. Right? So he's
I mean, that's that's his deal. They couldn't
do half the stuff they were doing in
Ukraine without him. So Yep.
So so but, you you know, he but
he, again, he seems to be slightly less
horrible
than the rest of them. So,
you know, the same thing I feel about
I was talking to union leader,
and he was talk I don't know I
don't know anything about JD Vance. Yeah. I
I didn't know anything about him until 5
minutes ago. Right? And then I saw the
Teamster,
you know, speaking at the
Republican convention, and he was going on Fox
News talking about,
the economic policies. JD Vance is champion that
has helped workers. And I'm like, get out
of here. I didn't. And so then I
have this, you know, this,
union
organizer friend of mine I know who works
in the northeast.
And he was saying that, yeah, I've known
JD Vance for a while, and, hopefully,
there's enough space now that we can have
some progressive
victories with this administration.
And it just goes to show you how
so if you turn on Fox News, there's
the Teamster, the u union leader talking about
economic policies
that JD Vance has championed in the past.
And he turned on MSNBC,
and they're talking about Putin is happy that
JD Vance is the vice presidential. I mean,
that's
exact flip flop. Right? So now they're doing
it's just that the people who are considered
supposed to be on the left are doing
the red baiting, and the people on the
right are having economic
discussions about unions.
And so it just goes to show you
how effed up things are and that people
who think MSNBC or CNN or the Democratic
Party is left
are dupes because they're not. They're Democrats. And
I try to tell people that the Democrats
are not left,
And these policies, these woke policies aren't coming
from the grassroots up. They're coming from the
top down. They come from places like Vanguard
and BlackRock
that,
they they there's there's several reasons for them.
One is that they're the ones who are
raping the planet, so they wanna wrap themselves
of it in a patina of virtue with
their
DEI and ESG and all that shit, and
that's exactly what that is. So now, just
let me the CIA is doing it. The
CIA put out promotional videos where they have
a,
a a non binary woman of color
going around and helping coup governments. Right? Isn't
that fantastic?
I'm not making that up. That's a real
that's a real propaganda
video that they put out. And the same
thing with the you know, they put LGBTQ
flags on bombs now at the I mean,
it's crazy. So,
it used to be a joke. Now it's
a reality. So Means come true. So that's
so there is no left in America. That's
what people don't there is no organized left.
The Democratic Party is not left. The Democratic
Party is the party of Wall Street. They're
the party of the military industrial complex, big
pharma,
and, Silicon Valley, which was also started by
the deep state. So they're a 100% the
establishment, and they wrap themselves in that patina
of virtue
with their virtue signaling about,
BIPOC, you know,
and people of color and LGBTQIA
plus 2
and all that stuff. That so that so
that you think they're somehow morally better. They're
not. Rachel Maddow be people think that this
and I've said this a 1000000 time. Well,
she's, you know, homosexual, so she's probably more
moral. No. She is the biggest, unbelievable,
bloodthirsty
tool,
warmongering piece of it on television
that there is right now. She screamed about
Russiagate at the top of her lungs, which
she knows has to know
is was a was a, a a conspiracy
theory concocted by the FBI, CIA, and the
Clinton campaign to serve the establishment.
And and I only and I when I
was at the Young Turks and they were
pushing this in 2016,
I said, you know that this is just
ramping people up for a war with Russia,
and that's exactly what happened. 4 years later
or 5 years later, they get their war
with Russia. It's a proxy war, and here
we are. Now they got the whole European
Union going along with it. And, you know,
before it used to be, we that's the
great reset. We're all gonna be in business
with Russia. But then
BlackRock and Vanguard had the big idea. Hey.
You know what? We can break up Russia
into smaller parts,
balkanize it, and then we could take it
over and extract the wealth just like they're
doing to Ukraine right now. We could do
that to Russia. That's what they thought. In
fact, that's what the new,
top diplomat for head of the
European Union just said publicly is that we
should break up Russia. Because so that's always
been their plan. Right? So that's that's what
and that was the the the need for
Russiagate.
And so that's who these so, again, I
I don't know how I but, yeah, that's
there is no left. I guess the the
the point is that I'm trying to make
is that there is no left in America
that is organized. Right? And if you think
the Green Party is left, they're not. They're
an LGBTQ
organization that dabbles in in,
environmentalism.
They're not. They're they don't they don't speak
the language of workers. They're not about workers.
They're about virtue signaling bullshit, and that's why
because they've been infiltrated by the FBI and
the CIA,
and that's why they haven't grown in 30
fucking years. That's why they couldn't even get
on the ballot
in in New York state. They couldn't get
on the ballot. They couldn't get the, but
guess guess who did? The LaRouche people got
on the ballot. So they're completely controlled opposition.
The people you think are left are not
left.
You know, and,
you know, so what are we left with?
Where there is there we're we're left with
almost nothing. There is no left in America.
This idea that there's a left right struggle
in America
is a joke. There's a there's a struggle
between the elites. Right? There's a certain set
of elite fighting against another set of elites.
Right? There's the Rockefeller
elites going against the new money elites, which
are the Trump's.
And that's the that's the tension.
But, obviously, we know that the CIA and
the FBI
doesn't work for the president, which they're supposed
to, because Chuck Schumer gave that game away
when Trump got elected. He said Trump shouldn't
mess with
the intelligence community because when you do that,
they have 6 ways to Sunday to get
back to you. And what get back at
you and what he's actually with so that's
called a gaffe because he told the truth.
A gaffe in Washington isn't when you say
something that's untrue. It's when you accidentally
reveal a big truth. And that's what Chuck
Chuck Schumer did. He revealed that the CIA,
the NSA, and the FBI don't actually work
for the president,
that the president has to be afraid of
them, and he has to make sure he's
on good terms with them or else they're
gonna fuck him over. And so if they
don't work for the president, who do they
work for? Which is the obvious follow-up question
that someone like me would ask, but Rachel
Maddow is a bought and paid for tool
of the same people doing that. So she
didn't follow that question up. So that but
we but that's it. We now know that
the leader of the Democrats in the senate,
the leader of the Democrats at that moment
gave the game away, and he said that
the intelligence community works for somebody else. So
who the hell do they work for? And
that's a question Americans have to ask themselves,
and I know what the answer is. The
answer is the same economic hit men, the
handful of billionaires who have been running all
our wars,
since World War 2, if maybe even that
one.
100% agree. I I it's I think what's
important there, the quick deviation from what we
were talking about,
I agree. I think everybody with a brain
can see the the
kind of
the the the infiltration
of of that of that side of the
paradigm.
I think
that it's kind of always been, like, happening
in certain ways, but right now,
I see this very clear aiming to do
the same thing to the right, which has
been a lot more resistant to things I've
seen before. And I wonder if you noticed
some of the same outlines. Because I think
that the whole game is to get people
invested in what I've been kind of pointing
out, like, kinda what you said about the
left versus versus, like, liberals or whatever the
other word would be. I see democrats and
republicans being in this locked in kind of
team sport politics.
They they don't really care about the facts.
That's the the paradigm. Then you've got conservatives
and liberals and people in different areas beneath
that that are kind of leaning towards one
side or the other, but are willing to
hear these conversations, and I think there's everybody
else that sees through all of it. But
what I see is that you have the
conservative this is how Katherine Austin fits put
it. That right now, they're using Republicans are
trying to manipulate conservatives into the technocratic control
structure. Right? And so it's like, if you
get that block, you already have the left
that's essentially completely co opted in a lot
of ways. You know? So I wonder how
you see that. Do you see the same
kind of thing happening? Because that's where I
see a lot of this right now with
Elon and the great reset elements and a
lot of things the right would be the
most resistant to being kind of tricked into
it right now. Do you see any of
that?
Yeah. Well, definitely, we know they're being tricked
into the Venezuelan
bullshit.
I mean, that's obvious.
They're also being tricked into,
supporting Israel,
which is the biggest it's not a it's
not an they they you know, I've had
people,
come on my show. RFK said that, oh,
it's great having Israel as our as our
ally in the Middle East because
it's like having our own aircraft carrier in
the Middle East. And I said, well, you
know, it's unfortunate that that aircraft carrier has
a giant concentration camp right in the middle
of it. Sure.
And,
and, and why and if we and if
they are our aircraft carrier, why do we
have to have all the other ones
over
in the in in the area?
But,
it's it'd be we the world would be
much better off without Israel, and I don't
I'm not one of those people who thinks
Israel has a right to exist or it
needs to exist
to have a safe haven for Jews,
because all the Jews I know who live
in America feel very safe. In fact, they
did up until,
Israel started doing a genocide on the Palestinian
people anyway. And all the Jews I know
in New York and Florida, they all
feel 100% happy. And, of course, I live
in Hollywood,
and we know about, that they all everyone
feels very comfortable. So this idea that they
need a safe haven because of what happened
in World War 2, I don't I don't
agree with that.
And, you know, the Balfour declaration, why why
was it up to the UK? So this
I think they've been suckered into that. Right?
This idea that we we need they're our
greatest ally. No. They're our greatest detriment. They're
the ones who wanted us to go to
war in Iraq. They're the ones who wanted
us to go to war in Libya. They're
the ones who want us to go to
war with Iran. Now they want us to
go to war in Lebanon. They're the ones
wanted us to go to war in Syria.
And so it's the same thing. Right? And
so we keep doing their bidding, and this
isn't secret
because I you know, videos that I've shown
on my show of Benjamin
Netanyahu
coming, to the congress every couple of years
saying we should go into Iran. And if
if or into Iraq. And if we do
this war in Iraq, it'll make everybody safer.
We should go into Libya. And if we
do it, it'll make everybody safer. We should
go into Syria. So every time the biggest
warmongers and the biggest terrorists are Israel and
the United States.
And if if we didn't have and if
we weren't being led around by the nose
by Israel, which is what we are,
we would would be a much safer world.
But
who who knows? I bet there's the economic
hitmen in America just like general Wesley Clark
revealed on democracy now in 2007 that after
911, he went into the Pentagon and somebody
who worked in intelligence showed him a document
that said they had a plan to go
into 7 different Muslim countries in 5 years.
And so they've gone into every one of
those countries except Lebanon and Iran, and that's
the ones that are seem to be next
on the list. Right? So
we're being run by a cabal of bloodthirsty
economic hitmen like we always have been. If
you read, you know, that book, economic hitmen,
it was that they that that's how it
works. If you listen to general Smedley Butler,
which is back in the thirties, he realized
that every every time he that the military
is used, it's used at the behest of
a corporation to go steal natural resources.
And so nothing's changed a 100 years later
where this we're exactly the same place we
were. And, yeah, I see the right wing
getting you know, you say communism. You say,
you know, Arab terrorists. They get triggered by
that. Right? I mean, Bill Maher, Sam Harris,
it's that kind of bullshit,
juvenile
thinking.
Yes. Yes. Absolutely. I mean, it's it's so
sad too that it it it, you know,
it's the low it's aiming at the lowest
common denominator. You're aiming at the worst parts
of humanity and acting like it's somehow,
you know, intellectual. It really does kinda gross
me out to watch when when they're having
those conversations. But since you bring it up,
it's it's important to highlight
back to the same kinda point. And it
it's not really just about Israel. There's plenty
of other moving parts around
around this. But right now, I do think
that it's in in Israel's interest as it
always has been more than just because of
the lithium and so on to drive this.
Here is Alex Rubinstein highlighting, and this is
the English version where he posted about this,
the English version of the document which Venezuela
opposition leader and longtime coup plotter, Maria,
Carina Machado,
begs
Netanyahu for regime change. And here I have
the versions with it with the parts highlighted
where she's just saying, please come in and
and carry out a regime change, and we'll
be on the side of Israel. And it's
just they're this is 2018.
You know? So it just shows you that
this is they're asking for this help. You
know? And so the point is that you
can always see these over oh, I can
leave it up if you wanna look at
it. The the, overall take a screenshot of
it. This is great. I'm I'm I'm getting
a lot of material from my show just
by watching it. Go for it. Yeah. Well,
thank you. But, you know, it's it's important
to see that there's these overlaps where, you
know, clearly there's an interest that has nothing
to do with the people of Venezuela. And
as you highlighted before, it rarely has to
do with the interest of any individual or
any group. It's about using their plight to
benefit themselves. You know, it's a very sad
concept. And so, you know, for me, this
really comes back to the larger agenda. 1,
I'm pointing this out because I think clearly
this is about in at least one part
getting a like,
this going on distracts from the genocide happening.
And the thing Israel was thinking about that
with every move they make, in my opinion.
But it also comes back to the point
that I think why Elon is largely lying
about this, that'd be my opinion,
about driving the regime change because I think
like last time, it clearly benefits
what he the interest he's in and what
he's accomplishing, or he's just being driven to
do it. But Elon
aside, you know, the idea of the lithium
aspect of this and the all the other
things we discussed from the
right policies hiding certain things. I see a
very clear overlap to the great reset. We
talked about digital IDs and all of this
stuff. So might want your thoughts on how
this might overlap with that and and kind
of the future direction of as I I
framed on a show recently, the right will
make regime change great again. And it's all
about the idea of using these same concepts,
whether it's about communism, whatever else to achieve
the certain ends, whether it's about helping Israel
cement certain resources, all about the kind of
same globalist play that we've seen before, but
they're being manipulated thinking it's something else. Just
what are your thoughts on that? Yeah. I
I see them being manipulated into a war
with Iran. I see my hope
and this is all all I have because
if it's a if it's a Democratic administration,
for sure they're gonna do the war in
Iran. They're they'll they they're they went for
every war in my lifetime. They they love
the war, and, they're doing the Ukraine war
right now. They're trying to ramp up the
war with in the with China. They're,
they they're they're funding the genocide in air,
in in Gaza. They and they're they're ready
to do one in the in in Blinken,
and the the regime is ready to do
one in Venezuela.
So, the only hope I have is is
that,
you know, I've discovered some videos where Trump
is obviously not a fan of Benjamin Netanyahu,
which I didn't know because his rhetoric publicly
is so over the top pro Israel.
And but he wants but if you you
notice he didn't start a war
when he was president. I noticed.
And in fact, he was being lied to
by the department the defense department, by his
own state department. He was being lied to.
He wanted to pull the troops out of
Syria. They told him they own and they
would they they did it. He wanted to
pull so they were lying to him about
so they're committing treason.
Right?
And, because the president is supposed to be
in charge of, our foreign policy, and they
didn't want him to be because, again, they
don't work for the president. They all work
for, the blob, the global cabal of the
economic hitman.
And so the only hope is that I
was like so I came across a video
where Trump
said or an audio recording
of Trump saying that when he went in,
I think it was, like, 2017
to have a meeting with the BB Netanyahu.
He thought the problem was gonna be the
Palestinians, that the Palestinians weren't gonna wanna deal.
But he said after 3 minutes talking to
Benjamin Netanyahu, I said, Bibi, you don't want
a deal, do you?
And he and Benjamin Netanyahu said,
And he goes, so it he goes, that's
the problem.
The problem is there's the reason we don't
want a deal, not the Palestinians.
And so he's realized that. He now realizes
the problem. Right? And so Trump's his his
flex is I wanna deal. I wanna get
I wanna have the,
he wants the credit for making these deals
and avoiding wars. He even said in his
acceptance speech at the convention
that I can end that war with one
phone call. Like, that's the that's where his
mindset is. Right? And so for what and
if whether you believe it or not, the
evidence is he didn't start a war for
4 years. Right? So that's the evidence.
And
so when he's speaking over the top rhetoric
about, say, Israel and anti,
Palestinians,
it makes me think like this is his
way he makes the deal. He's gotta be
be seen as such a it's like, you
know, how Nixon was the only one who
could go to China. Remember they said that?
Mhmm. It took a it took a right
wing rabbit guy like that to be able
to have the the credibility
to go to China. Right? And so it's
the same thing. I think that's what Trump
is doing. I'm hoping. I don't know. I
have I have the clip if you wanna
play it real quick. It's a good it'd
be good sense because the audio is there.
And I I would just say too that
I I I definitely
taking out Soleimani
easily coulda spun out into a serious war,
and the regime change attempt in Venezuela coulda
done the same. I I just think that
claim tends to be used for him, but
I don't know if I initially agree with
it. At the Bitcoin conference, he just recently
said too, I didn't start any wars, but
I did finish some. And I'm like, okay.
That's not as the the win you think
it is. But let me play this and
I'll let you comment on that. You'll adhere.
He wanted to make a deal more than
Netanyahu.
And
I will be honest,
I had a great meeting with him, Abbas.
Right?
I had a great meeting with him,
and we spent a lot of time together,
talked about many things.
And it was almost like a father.
I mean,
he was so nice.
Couldn't have been nicer.
And after meeting with BB
for 3 minutes,
I looked at him and said, you don't
wanna make deal then.
And he said,
well,
and the fact is I don't think maybe
ever wanted to make a deal. Hawaii I
thought the Palestinians were impossible.
That the the Israelis would do anything to
make peace in a deal.
I found that not to be true.
Wow. You know, that's so go ahead. Go
ahead. He so he went on to have
over the top pro Israeli rhetoric,
even even with that knowledge. And I think
the reason why is because he knows he
has to position himself
in that way in order to make a
deal. He can't be seen as weak on
the Palestinians
or on terrorism or the Muslim. He has
to be seen as this crazy, rabbit, over
the top,
booster of Israel in order to in order
to force a deal. And I think that's,
I I think that might have something to
do with why he was almost assassinated.
Right. Because because
the Bibi knows that and Mossad knows that,
that he's gonna force a deal, or maybe
they fear he will. Right? And they don't
want a deal. The Israelis want the Palestinians
out of Gaza and the West fucking bank,
and they want it. Right? And so they
fear that Trump will get power, and that's
why and I bet that had something to
do with that. That is his assassination attempt.
So, and then when I hear JD Vance
and Trump talk so maybe
talking tough on Iran,
I hope it's the same thing. I hope
it's the same thing. I have to be
over the top and say this so then
I can force I can force a peace
deal. And maybe that's why he, like, killed
Soleimani was, like, to appease these people, to
give himself that kind of gravitas. Look. I
killed their fucking general. Right? Look at me.
I'm not I don't have any love for
these people. I almost started a war over
there. So, yeah, I think I'm hoping.
Again, with but,
that this is what I'm hoping because that's
what the history has shown, and I hope
that it continues forward that they're talking tough
and over the top like this in order
to give themselves the negotiating room to actually
make a deal. Now maybe I'm wrong about
that, and, well, only time will tell. But
I know for a fact
that Joe Biden and the Democrats and Kamala
Harris,
will do whatever the the deep state tells
them to do. And they're the ones they
wanna extend the they just extended the Ukraine
war for 10 more fucking year. I mean,
they're not they're not there there's no
so if there's if there is a sliver
of hope, that's where the sliver of hope
will at rest in foreign policy anyway.
Well, I honestly hope you're right. My my
yeah. Well, I mean, I hope you're right.
My my gut tells me that they're all
the same, sadly. And I think that that
Trump and the rest of them like like,
I will I agree that I think Trump's
a different animal entirely. And I do agree
entirely that he tends to, in a clumsy
way, kinda blurt the thing that they're not
supposed to say and, you know, and so,
I do agree with that. And one of
the thoughts I had early about the assassination
attempt was that very kind thought that it
could be that this is the kind of
a JFK moment beforehand, like, that, you know,
threatened. You know, it will go this route
if you don't fall in line. But I
just think, you know, I the evidence points
a little bit different direction. And, again, I
hope that you're right. And even with an
RFK point, because some people argue the same
that he's saying this in order to get
in power and he'll change it. I mean,
I always hope that's the end game. But
the sad thing is that even if that's
correct, that still argues that he would be
promoting somebody murdering children as we're talking about
this in order to maybe change it in
the future. You know? And it's just hard
for me to to praise or go and
I'm not saying you're doing that, but to
to go along with that. It's sort of
like Trump pretending he supports the injection. A
lot of Republicans think that in order to
x, y, and z, you know, do something
out. You know? But at the end of
the day, you're still supporting something we know
is killing people. You know? And it's hard
for me to wrap my mind around that.
But I I think that the end of
the day, I think the history shows
us that Donald Trump and the rest of
them are very Zionist and very pro Israel,
and that a lot of it is about
appeasing the actual population. So So getting some
of the Republicans to think that maybe that's
where it'll go. You see a lot of
these propaganda videos coming out showing, like, where
they try to pretend that he walked away
from Netanyahu recently. It turned out that was
an old video. It's like, well, why would
they cede that? I think it's because internally,
they want the Republicans to think he's secretly
against
Beatty. You know? And I I don't know.
I I overall,
whatever ends up stopping the killing of Palestinians,
and I'm sure we agree on this, then
I'm for that right now. You know? But
at the end of the day, this stuff
is dangerous because the 2 party illusion has
a tendency to trap people using that
one versus the other kind of dynamic. You
know? As you've covered. Go ahead. They did
try to kill him. You can't you can't
deny that that happened. So he does pose
a threat somewhere
in some way. I would argue that there's
plenty of pushback on what that we don't
really know what happened that day. And I'm
we could I would love to have the
conversation if you'd like to, but we're, you
know, coming to the end of our time.
But
there's a lot of discrepancy around that. I'm
not trying to say I know that I'm
even trying to dispute anything, but it's there's
a weirdness there. Yeah. I'm not it's I'm
not saying that I I know exactly what
happened,
but it has all the hallmarks of the
Secret Service being in on it. Right? They
got rid of his regular detail. They didn't
put somebody on that roof. They spotted that
guy 3 times an hour before. They didn't
do anything.
People in the crowd saw the guy with
the gun, and they didn't go code red,
get him off. So they were definitely that,
you know, this I I my theory is
it came from at least Mayorkas.
Right? And and that woman who's the head
of the secret service might be just a
patsy.
But, obviously, that they were all in on.
There was there was a concerted conspiracy to
do
this, and, that was an accident that they
missed his head.
Yeah. That's certainly possible. Everything up to that
last point, I'm like, exactly. Like, there there's
no way you deny that this
incompetence is a hard sell with how many
things went wrong. But, you know, I'm only
saying this to be objective because I just
think there's discrepancies around the injury, around the
angles
that very well went very well may be
explained by something in in the next so
many days or weeks or another shooter. I
don't know. But I would argue, though, that
it's it's it's possible that this was done
with the intent of benefiting Trump. I mean,
I I can see that.
If you ask the question of who benefits,
pretty clearly, one side's benefiting right now. But,
again, I don't know. I mean, I I
will add that most of the evidence points
the logical direction that somebody tried to take
him out. And, I mean, that's where most
of this points, but there's just discrepancies that
I can't get past and I I won't
say that that's what I think is most
likely with those kind of discrepancies, like the
injury itself.
I mean, I find it very shocking. Go
ahead. To me, it's it's it's like when
Assad was winning the war, all of a
sudden, he's gonna drop a chlorine bomb that
kills 50 people.
It it's it's such it it's like Trump
was already winning this election. He's already crushing
Joe Biden for him to take a chance
of someone shooting an actual bullet
and hitting inside of his fucking head. Well,
I will. The guy
remember, he got 4 deferments, I think, for
going to, Vietnam. So this isn't a guy
who likes that kind of shit.
But, but, I mean, it's interesting though is
that I I think that you can see
like, I guess the whole point in this
conversation comes down to whether you think your
vote translates to the outcome. And I know
we disagree on that. And so I think
if you're realizing from my perspective that they
need us to think that Trump is the
win you know? Anyway, just to be objective
because trust me. I I if I had
to pick something right now, I think other
than these anomalies that have yet to be
answered,
obviously, the evidence points to exactly what you're
saying, just to be clear on that. But
I but I think it if we like,
I guess what's holding me up on this,
and it's fine. We can end with this
because it's an entertaining conversation.
It is right now,
there is no visible injury on his ear,
and maybe there's something that explains that. And
this was 12 days after was when the
first image came out. And Ronnie Jackson is
on the record with a p saying there
was a 2 centimeter hole in his ear.
So I'm like, how the heck do you
reconcile? I reckon right? Those that doesn't make
any sense to me. So maybe he lied
to make him look like a gangster and
it only nicked it and it healed in
12 days. I don't know. But there's something
weird right there.
Go ahead. No worries. I mean, if this
I mean, obviously, someone was shooting real bullets
because people got shot behind him.
And and in front of him, technically, that's
where the fireman got shot is the to
his right, essentially. So I agree. I agree.
So, obviously, somebody was shooting real bullets.
I I you know what? Again, I'm I
don't again, it's all theory. I don't know.
Logically, it doesn't make sense, but, you know,
a lot of things that logically doesn't make
sense happen. So Yeah. And then later it's
all proven with some new information. Good.
Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't push that theory,
but I wouldn't.
You know, you can't dismiss anything out of
hand until you know exactly what happened. Right?
And I don't think we ever will.
Exact exactly. And that and that's usually where
these things like JFK and so on, like,
I think we can
logically break it down to like, I I
had a it was Corey Hughes, by the
way, that I think really does nail it.
It. You know, it's it's pretty obvious where
this to go in the direction it goes
in, but they've still yet to release certain
things. And, you know, so it's always kind
of left hanging like that. So I guess
that go ahead. If if it was a
fake,
if Trump was in on
it, that means that he would also somehow
have to get Majorcas to be in on
it. He'd have to get the secret service
to be in on it. Those snipers who
saw the guy three times and didn't do
anything, the people that he it it it
would seem
that Unlikely. Yeah. Because those are all people
from the Department of Homeland Security, which they
you know, now the FBI is now also
under the umbrella of the Department of Homeland
since 911
under the so the the same FBI who
lied to the FISA court 17 times so
they could get a tap on Trump's phone,
which is what they did. The same FBI
who, had
lied about Russiagate and concocted that thing so
they could discredit him so they could go.
I mean, the same people somehow now Trump's
working with them to set up a fake
thing on himself.
That seems hard to believe.
Oh, I agree. And just to be clear
that that my point is simply that those
things are don't are it's a discrepancy. There
there's an there's an anomalous thing that doesn't
line up. Not that therefore what you said
is what I think because I don't. I
I honestly don't know what that adds up
to, but I would point out though that
the historical
the the classic way to dismiss a theory,
you know, how could so many people be
involved and nobody's saying that? You know, it's
it's always I think it's important to recognize
that this things like that have happened. Large
events, like, I mean, for crying out loud,
look at COVID 19, what we just went
through. There are still very high levels of
people that are holding on to a massive
lie. So all I just think it's important
to make sure we recognize that is possible.
But, you know, who well, I think where
it goes is what's gonna ultimately make a
difference, you know. And I think comes down
to the election conversation and Israel's involvement and
all these different things. But I think the
important point to make is that it's it's
important and okay to continue asking questions, You
know, like, that's what we're saying is that
it's leave it where we don't know for
sure and make sure we're continuing to not
block out any possibilities. But I'm with you
ultimately. I think that that makes the most
sense and that Donald Trump was, you know,
I guess let me ask you this. Do
you think that it was, just a miss?
Is that what you is that what you
feel is most likely? Just that it was
an attempt and it missed his missed him?
Yeah. He turned his head at the last
second to look at that chart, and then
instead of it going right here, it went
right here. Well, this work the reason I
ask that is
it's the same people who the same people
who did Russiagate. It's the same people who
did January 6th. Right? January 6th was an
inside psyop job. They had people dressed. They
had FBI assets inside the capital dressed as
MAGA supporters before the they ever breached the
capital. So that just shows you what was
happening. They had 100
of, fed a, assets in the crowd. So
and they knew they didn't get to, you
know, even anyway, so that same people who
did those things, think, are the same people
who did that. Yeah. Well, the reason I
asked that is because I think what's most
interesting is that the angle
and I I'm telling you, like, I mean,
I can sit down and show I I
don't know how anybody cannot
see how if he was if
anywhere was on that building somebody was shooting
and he turns and looks at the jumbotron.
Right? So he's looking to this way and
the guys over here, how you would hit
the top back right part of his ear.
Like, these are the kind of discrepancy I'm
pointing out where I'm like, well, that doesn't
make any sense. But maybe there's another shooter,
you know. I don't know. Right? But there's
so many of those that nobody seems interested
in trying to break down from, like, the
higher levels of this. I just find that
fascinating, you know? But, yeah, I I think
that it is used either way. Right? I
think that's what's obvious. And I think that
that this will always be driven to use
as the the motivation behind why we have
to support him. And I think that's what
a hard thing I can't get away from
is that, you know, the who benefits aspect
is that clearly this is driving everybody. I
mean, Mark Zuckerberg endorsed Donald Trump for crying
out loud. You know, it seems a little
bit anomalous. You know? It's strange. I'll tell
you the way that Donald Trump is gonna
lose if he does, if he because he's
this is his election to blow.
And
if he decides to run on cultural issues
and tries to make it about she's not
really black
and, you know, cat women and shit. Like,
if they try to make it about that,
who's weirder?
That's what the demark that's the only thing
Democrats have to fight about. Because if Trump
stays about the border and the economy
and ending the Ukraine war, he wins. But
he they can't because
Kamala Harris is such a target rich candidate.
They are not gonna be able to help
themselves. In fact, they're already doing it. And
so if Trump's gonna lose, it's gonna lose
because he he fights the democrats on culture
war issues instead of sticking to the border,
the economy, and ending the war.
Yeah. Yeah. Well put. I mean, you know,
if if there's obvious ways to lose, it
would be leaning into their game. Right? And
I think that's Yeah. They're already leaning into
the whole advance. It's so weird, and they're
all doing they're all doing the same thing.
They're all they're all countering. Look how weird
they left it. I Right.
Don't fall for it.
Good point. Good point. Well, I didn't get
to leave it there. It was great. The
class American Vagabond. It's always great to talk
with you. I appreciate you having me on.
Yeah. You too, brother. I think it's I
always enjoy our back and forth. And, you
know, it's important to consider other people's perspectives
across, you know, any number of views. And
so I I really enjoy the way you
see things, you know, and I think I
it's important to check myself as well about
you know, know, we always fall into these
traps where we get very invested in what
we think is building and, you know, so
it's always important to check those things. So
thanks for coming on, Jimmy, and I look
forward to talking with you in the future.
Okay. My pleasure. See you soon. Alright. Have
a good one. And everybody out there, question
everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant.
In the CIA, we didn't give a hoot
about
democracy.
I mean, it was fine if if a
government was elected
and would cooperate with us,
but,
if it didn't,
then democracy didn't mean a thing to us,
and I don't think it means a thing
today.