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Welcome to the Last American Vagabond. Joining me

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today in studio for what? The I think

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the 3rd no. I guess, 2nd, not counting

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pirate stream, 2nd person in live in the

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new Steelab studio. Joining me, Derek Brose here

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to talk about any number of things. We're

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both gonna be attending the Bitcoin conference coming

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up, well, I guess, starting today over the

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next so many days. And, we just wanted

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to connect in person. You know? We're we're

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here. We're real. We're together. And, you know,

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talk about his recent work and just see

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what else we get into. So how are

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you, brother? What's going on? I'm doing great,

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man. Just Just happy to be here and

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glad to connect again in person. Yeah. And

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you're right. We we actually connected the, the

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the,

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what? I wanna say conference. The rally, I

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we put together in Franklin. Yeah. That was

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a good bit. Of COVID 1984 crash. Right.

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Bucking the system, marching down the street. Now

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that was I like that. Actually, that was

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fun. What I liked about that actually since

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we bring it up was the overlap of,

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like as much as there is obviously a

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lot of overlap in our audiences. Mhmm. Like,

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having, like, you know, supporters that are there

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to support TLAB and supporters there for conscious

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resistance and kind of Yeah. Having them together

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and see that unification and, you know, that

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was a fun event, man. I like that.

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That was a good time. Yes. And we

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both performed music there. Right? That was yeah.

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That was another good part of it. Happy

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to be back here, man. It's beautiful out

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here. Yeah. Oh, man. That's the one thing

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about being here in Tennessee. It's something

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I mean, coming from, you know, especially living

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in California, the place. It's not even politically.

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Just the the climate. There's something real special

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about this place. Right? Absolutely. Yeah. I love

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the I love it.

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Well, so let's get into any number of

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things we're gonna talk about today. I mean,

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we're talking about the few the summit of

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the future, I think we wanna start with.

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Right? And what's that is and, you know,

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where what that's why that's important. So for

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those who haven't read your work on that,

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I think, 2 now discussing it, let people

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know what that is, and we'll get into

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it. Sure. Yeah. So, actually, I was looking

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at all of my articles for TLav. So

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for those who don't know, we started writing

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together, collaborating in May 2020,

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and I started writing about the summit of

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the future in 2022.

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What just 1 or 2 mentions, not really

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going into depth as I have recently,

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But those were just sort of previewing of

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they're discussing something in the future called the

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summit of the future, and there's a whole

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history that goes back to 2020,

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2022.

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Secretary general of the UN, Antonio Guterres, has

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been saying we're falling short of the,

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sustainable development goals, the 2030 agenda, and we

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need to come up with new financial mechanisms

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to fund this green revolution,

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this transition towards

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all the different things they wanna do under

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on from white paper to online event leading

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last year's, sustainable development,

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summit, and then that led to this year's

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summit of the future. And in one way,

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it's just a continuation of these ongoing

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globalist, internationalist meetings where they get to get

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and really technocratic, where they get together and

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they start talking about what way which way

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they think the world should go and how

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to address these crises that many of us

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might argue aren't necessarily even crises themselves, what

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they claim. Right?

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year, it's gonna be called the summit of

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the future. It's happening during the UN's annual

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general assembly, so, like, a week long meeting

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of UN officials getting together and discussing all

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kinds of things. Mainly climate change, obviously, is

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gonna be big topic of the whole thing.

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and 23rd, New York City, they're hosting the

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summit of the future. And,

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UN meeting. Maybe not anything of major importance.

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the hype around this thing, particularly in UN

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circles, it really as I write in my

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latest article, it hasn't really broken out to,

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like, the mainstream so much. There's some in

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the independent media, mainly myself and a couple

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others, talking about this,

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and warning that we think it's gonna be

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something major because they're talking about signing the

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pact for the future. Mhmm. And then as

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part of that, they're talking about declaring a

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planetary emergency. And each of these things have

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implications just like

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the the big, you know, concern and recent

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awareness of the World Health Organization pandemic treaty,

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pandemic alliance,

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pandemic agreement, where so many people have been

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concerned with that over the last year and

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a half or so,

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rightfully so. Well, this is equally important, I

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think, for us to get some awareness around.

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articles. But mainly, as you mentioned, the last

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couple months, I've been writing more and more

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about it. And this latest piece is kind

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of why you should give a crap about

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this because,

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it is starting to pop up in more

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areas outside of just the, you know, UN

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circles, which, yeah, they're having their meetings. They're

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having their online discussions,

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and they really are planning on getting all

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of the member states to sign this new

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document. They're talking about creating UN 2 point

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o, redesigning the multilateral system.

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is this planetary emergency, and this calls for

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creating an emergency platform, and we can get

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into all that. Yeah. Well, I mean, so

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we we first, what what's the pact of

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the the so we have the summit of

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the future and then the pact of the

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future. So just what what's the difference there

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for people that don't know? So the summit

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is the actual event that they're gonna be

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gathering. That's what they're calling their, you know,

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like, their gathering, which they're saying is a

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once in a lifetime similar to, like, great

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reset language. You know? This is a once

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in a lifetime opportunity for us to, remake

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and redo the UN system because we need

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to give it in in their own words,

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as I quote in my my my article

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that some of these UN officials and, advocates

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for this

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pact for the future are we need to

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give the UN more power. Mhmm. We need

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to give the UN more power to address

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the and they're mimicking the WF language, the

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poly crisis. Right. This sort of idea that

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we're facing, which I think is true on

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some level. Like, a lot of things, you

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know, we've talked about this before before.

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actual problems in some areas. Now some, we

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we would definitely debate on who's the source

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of the problems. Mhmm. But they point out

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actual problems. It's just that their solutions

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are this top down technocratic force it on

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people, how much you can drive, how much

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you can eat, what goes on your plate

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like we've seen the plans and the discussions

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of the future.

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top down. It's not about

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how we could address maybe some real crises

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still respect people's freedom of choice and, you

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know, all the bodily autonomy and all that

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stuff. What's really interesting about what you just

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pointed out is is that we always see

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this. Right? We see the

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essentially, like, we we made this point about

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the word sustainable and all these different games

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they've played where you frame something,

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in many cases, is a genuine issue. And

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then you get this weird partisan dynamic where

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some dishonesty there, so they push back on

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it. But instead of trying to find the

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other possible solutions, they act like it doesn't

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exist. Right? So, clearly, there is a problem

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with most of the things they're highlighting. They're

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just trying to direct you in a in

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a way that, you know and whether, again,

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the problem was created by them or not,

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which in most cases, it is, direct you

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in a way that benefits their agenda. And

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so instead of you know? So there are

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people that try to find other solutions and

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they point to that, and then certain parts

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of the partisanship will act like you're then

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going in their direction. Sure. You know? And

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so it it's just this constant dynamic, which,

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again, is a constant one of the things

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that I'm looking forward to the conversation we're

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gonna have about the way that the partisanship

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is used as a lot of us point

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out. But as right now, it seems more

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dangerous than ever as people kinda getting pulled

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back into it. No. Absolutely. And, like, the

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UN aspect of this, the great reset and

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all these overlapping points,

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you know, right now, what I'm seeing is

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the the right side of it sort of

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being pulled in. Now you've got all of

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these sides driving the same thing. And so

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this points to this problem is, you know,

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the poly crisis and these different arguments

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you know, taking climate change, for example. Yeah.

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examples of how we're destroying this planet, largely

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the people that are pretending that we are

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doing it. Yeah. But, you know, driving you

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in a way that makes nothing happen or

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only what they want. Right? Which the greater

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reset is a good example of actual choices

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we could make, right, that would solve those

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pact of the future, so this is

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the agreement. This is what they're writing down,

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the we are gonna do going forward. Exactly.

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They're trying to get all

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member states of the United Nations to sign

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on this document, which as I've written in

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my previous article and I mentioned in this

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new one that they've already released the zero

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draft version of this. They did so, I

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think, in March or April.

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quoted a few different places where they they

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talk of, like, an international environmental court that

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could,

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not only go after individuals, corporations, but individuals

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in some cases.

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just draft version right now, so none of

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that's in the final version, but it's showing

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where they're thinking, what they're talking about. And

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it does mention this emergency platform. So this

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about. So, again, the Summit of the Futures,

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the meeting that's gonna happen, the 22nd, 23rd,

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New York City, the agreement that they are

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discussing and likely, it seems all but likely

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at this point, they're gonna sign it, some

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version of it,

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in New York City called the pack for

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the future, which is, like,

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the final version of it. And it discusses

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things like I mentioned, a criminal court for

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environment.

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It also mentions the creation of an emergency

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platform Mhmm. That could be initiated

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in the case of

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a crisis. And I I have the language

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of something like something that rises to impact

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multiple regions of the world. Something very kind

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of vague that could be easily exploited and

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you know, any any you could name any

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number of things that you could say, okay.

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Well, this is affecting multiple regions, so let's

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initiate that emergency. Seems like damn near everything

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happened this day frame that night. And especially

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because what they're discussing as, crises, they you

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definitely mentioned climate change. They mentioned

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war,

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famine,

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pandemics, of course Mhmm. And,

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economic turmoil, things like that that they could

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that could be classified as,

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as an emergency,

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and then these emergency platforms could be brought

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about. And, again, a lot of the discussion,

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predict particularly around I mentioned,

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Jeffrey Sachs. Now Mhmm. I don't know if

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you did you ever interview him or do

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you know? No. No. But it's an interesting

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overlap because he made sure you saw him

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talk about US foreign policy. That's how I

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heard about him. So for those who don't

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know, he is he was, the chair of

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The Lancet, the,

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medical journals,

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COVID 19 Commission, and he was talking about

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gaining function research. He was talking about potential

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lab leak theory. And and and I remember

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seeing his name out there because

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he did seem to be making some points,

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and it's like, oh, okay. Look at this

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guy. He's in this position. He's saying some

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good things. And as I mentioned in the

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article, he was also on, like, Jimmy Dore,

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Russell Brand, other places. Well, he wrote this

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new op ed that's on his web his

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website, you know, his blog or whatever.

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Pretty much just all in on advocating for

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the summit of the future Mhmm. And for

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the pack for the future and,

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saying that it's necessary.

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And as I mentioned in the article, he's

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he in addition to being,

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you know, with The Lancet in that position,

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he's worked for the UN in a number

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number of different ways, number of different positions,

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advising,

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the current u, UN secretary general and the

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previous

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secretary general, Ban Ki Moon. And he comes

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from Columbia University,

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which is the origin the the university origin

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of the Technocracy Movement back to the 19

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thirties. So that's just, like, another interesting connection.

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Because what they're advocating here for is with

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just like with the greater the great reset

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is an a technocratic

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kind of ideal

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of micromanaging

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society based on crises that they're claiming are

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happening

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and that they have they're gonna come together

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all these nation states that allegedly are representing

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us. I mean, no. Most people have no

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idea what's even going on. Right. But they're

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allegedly representing us and

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gonna sign some new document that will give

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us UN 2 point o and sign this

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pact for the future, potentially giving them these

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powers they're giving themselves to declare an emergency

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at some point. And the main call is

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what they're calling a planetary emergency. Mhmm. And,

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that does relate particularly to to climate change.

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They talk about,

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water,

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sustainability, water issues, and,

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deforestation, different things, again, sometimes pointing at real

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problems Mhmm. But misdirecting, I think you you

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touched on it earlier, and it is, I

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think, accurate in most cases, unfortunately, that the

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same people creating the problems are then

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presenting these solutions that or, you know, alleged

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solutions that they want us to go towards

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when they're the people who created the problem

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in the first place. Well, let's so talking

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about Jeffrey Sachs in general, and this is

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an interesting overlap, right? Is that so clearly.

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I mean, it it's hard. It's it's it

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could very well be that this is a

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person that's out there presenting other good ideas

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in the interest of kind of tricking you

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into this other direction, you know, which is

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always something we should ask. But what do

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you think about that? Because it's it's interesting.

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I can see people with good intentions Sure.

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Falling into this and and thinking that this

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is what we like, especially right now with

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what we're watching in regard to the way

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the US government is operating unilaterally, you know,

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act you know, and Israel. And and so

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now you got this push from people who

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might and I'm not saying I think this.

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I'm just putting it as an objective

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possibility, coming out

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and thinking that the more globalist direction would

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be the way to stop something like that.

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Maybe that's exactly why that's happening. Right? And

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so you've got these people that would step

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into this. Like, my point is so he'll

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come out and as I think we've talked

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about, and he's made some amazingly clear points

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about

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US belligerent US foreign policy, what they actually

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have been doing, what they're doing today, you

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know, what he knows what they're like, and

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they're lying about Israel. They're lying about Syria.

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You know, it's it's and that's why, like,

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Jimmy Doris talked to him. It's hard, you

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know, to you see that, you go, yes.

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And the point should be either way. That's

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the right thing to point out even if

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he's doing it for different reasons. But so

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then the question is,

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what do you think the likelihood is that

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this is something he he really thinks might

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be solving one of these problems, but he's

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being fooled into it like any many other

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people, like, in a maybe just a broad

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sense too. How often you think it's happening?

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I I don't wanna claim to, you know,

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know his inner motivations or anything like that,

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but I think all those possibilities you mentioned

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are are possibilities. Like, for sure, there are

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a lot of brilliant people

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who, well, can be really brilliant and have

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a great analysis in some areas or multiple

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areas or maybe a single area and be

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really off base in a completely so that's

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possible that all as humans, we all have

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blind spots and maybe aren't as well researched

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in some areas we'd like to be, but

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have strong opinions and things like that. So

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that's always a possibility because I think sometimes

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we might,

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jump to or some people online might jump

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to

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conspiracy

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really right away if this person must be

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this or that. And I wasn't intending necessarily

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to imply that in the article, just quoting

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like, hey. This is what he's calling for

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though. Like, again, he said these things about

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COVID and other areas, but,

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he definitely is advocating

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for the system, and it could be it

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would be something good to for somebody who

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interviews him. Maybe I'll get to interview him

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at some point, to ask him like, hey.

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You know, you're really great in this particular

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topics, but what do you think about this

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view of the things you're advocating for the

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UN?

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Like, it's I quoted him in the article.

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He says, quote, on the goal of reforming

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the UN system, the

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key is to give more power to UN

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institutions and to make them more representative. He

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you know, that's the goal. Right? And he's

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also calling for new financial instruments to fund,

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like, attack new

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instruments to fund, like attack new system of

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international taxes on CO2 emissions, shipping, aviation, financial

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transactions.

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A point would be, for example, there are

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people that I believe have good intentions that

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are completely snowed by the idea of the

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climate change narrative. Right? Of course. And so

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what my what I mean saying all that,

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like, I if I had to bet, I

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I would kinda think that might be what's

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happening there. Right? So I'm and I'm not

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suggesting that either of us would know or

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that I but I think what's important to

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think about is it's almost like and something

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that you always kinda really chop away at,

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the kind of the base problem is the

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the reverence towards authority in general. Like, we're

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supposed to instead of solving these problems in

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a way that are individual or, you know,

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you know, the whole point is a lot

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of these people end up feeling that it

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has to be a centralized solution. Otherwise, it

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won't be possible. I think so. And and

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so you they always so this is how

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do we defeat a problem like that? You

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know, where you have people that, hypothetically, are

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good intentioned

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and end up always seemingly falling into some

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level of centralized authority that needs to solve

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that problem? You know, how do you get

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around that? You know, for me so this

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is I think that's a great question. So

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I think part of it for me is

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why I do

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I consider myself a journalist in one particular

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area of my life, writing, reporting about things

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like this, but then also on the activist

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front, somebody who wants to organize something like

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the people's reset, the greater reset, or go

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out and pass out flyers or, you know,

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do the activation tour we did during COVID.

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Because to me, it's like, that's how I'm

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gonna reach people. I need to, like, educate

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people and maybe consider people to think, get

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them to consider that maybe they can run

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their own lives and they don't need somebody

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telling them how to,

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run their life and just promoting just literally

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planting that seed in people's minds. So I

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I kinda consider, like, it really being, at

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least for me, a 2 part

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kind of battle here. One part is education

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waking people up, reporting

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facts, getting people to consider ideas and things

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of that, And then also the sort of,

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I guess, activist push for planting the seed

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of liberty and, you know, people

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self ownership and and these sort of ideas

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in different ways, whether that, you know, for

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me is personally doing speeches and writing books

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and that kind of thing. I feel like

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those are both important, right? Like, waking people

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up to the facts of the world, but

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then also,

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you know, some people will then go from

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there to thinking, and I don't really get

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it at this point. If we truly understand,

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like, the role of intelligence agencies,

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the mafia, like, the various false flags that

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are documented in so many

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different ways, and then thinking that this system

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is somehow gonna let us win through voting.

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It just Yeah. For me, personally, it's kinda

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mind blowing. Yep.

525
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But, of course, that doesn't mean things are

526
00:17:26,694 --> 00:17:28,234
hopeless, you know, but Right. Anyways.

527
00:17:28,615 --> 00:17:29,974
No. I mean, I think that's important. It

528
00:17:29,974 --> 00:17:31,335
always comes back to that, doesn't it? It's

529
00:17:31,335 --> 00:17:32,454
just funny. Like and not that we were

530
00:17:32,454 --> 00:17:34,214
even planning to get into the conversation of

531
00:17:34,214 --> 00:17:36,279
voting, but it's like it it's it's an

532
00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,279
it's this hurdle that we can't seem to

533
00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:40,119
get beyond. Like, I I honestly think at

534
00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,694
this point, it came out and utterly which,

535
00:17:42,774 --> 00:17:44,875
frankly, I think that's already happened, but utterly

536
00:17:45,174 --> 00:17:47,815
proved proven with documents and statements that it's

537
00:17:47,815 --> 00:17:49,815
like your vote literally has no effect on

538
00:17:49,815 --> 00:17:51,929
the outcome. Like, actually, I think represent dot

539
00:17:51,929 --> 00:17:53,649
us, they put that Princeton study where they

540
00:17:53,649 --> 00:17:56,730
were statistically insignificant, 0 you know, but at

541
00:17:56,730 --> 00:17:58,169
the end of the day, even if that

542
00:17:58,169 --> 00:18:00,404
happened, people would still go, okay. Well, even

543
00:18:00,404 --> 00:18:01,684
though I know it has no effect, I'm

544
00:18:01,684 --> 00:18:02,804
gonna do it because what else are we

545
00:18:02,804 --> 00:18:04,244
gonna do? That's the kind of response we

546
00:18:04,244 --> 00:18:05,765
always get. No. It's It's just this hurdle

547
00:18:05,765 --> 00:18:07,819
that we cannot ever get passed. I you

548
00:18:07,819 --> 00:18:09,259
know, same thing when it comes to local

549
00:18:09,259 --> 00:18:10,779
voting. There's you know, do what you think

550
00:18:10,779 --> 00:18:12,480
makes the most of has the most effect.

551
00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:14,859
But, you know, we need to battle this

552
00:18:14,859 --> 00:18:17,019
problem of thinking that at some level, we

553
00:18:17,019 --> 00:18:19,164
have to appeal to the people telling us

554
00:18:19,164 --> 00:18:21,005
they're gonna solve our problems. Otherwise, it will

555
00:18:21,005 --> 00:18:23,005
never actually happen. You know? And it it's

556
00:18:23,005 --> 00:18:24,444
it's I think your work does a great

557
00:18:24,444 --> 00:18:26,589
job really showing people that there is another

558
00:18:26,589 --> 00:18:29,150
direction opting out and and taking different you

559
00:18:29,150 --> 00:18:30,589
know, there are other ways to go, and

560
00:18:30,589 --> 00:18:32,349
I think that's super important. I wanna preempt

561
00:18:32,349 --> 00:18:34,670
the comments that are incoming after you mentioned

562
00:18:34,670 --> 00:18:37,035
that is that, you know, some people will

563
00:18:37,035 --> 00:18:39,275
hear that and then take take that to

564
00:18:39,275 --> 00:18:41,375
mean, oh, so you've just given up. Exactly.

565
00:18:41,434 --> 00:18:43,115
So you because I've been hearing this a

566
00:18:43,115 --> 00:18:44,634
lot. I mean, we we this is one

567
00:18:44,634 --> 00:18:46,730
of the things we have, an upcoming discussion

568
00:18:46,730 --> 00:18:48,890
with a great group of friends in a

569
00:18:48,890 --> 00:18:51,529
couple of weeks here because of and, you

570
00:18:51,529 --> 00:18:52,904
know, we don't have to get all into

571
00:18:52,904 --> 00:18:54,865
the whole thing. But because of post this

572
00:18:54,865 --> 00:18:57,585
assassination attempt, whatever it is, there's just even

573
00:18:57,585 --> 00:18:58,085
more

574
00:18:58,704 --> 00:18:59,684
status hysteria

575
00:19:00,159 --> 00:19:01,919
on all fronts. And then with the recent

576
00:19:01,919 --> 00:19:04,319
drama of going on with Biden and Harris,

577
00:19:04,319 --> 00:19:05,679
just all of the it's like so it's

578
00:19:05,679 --> 00:19:08,880
grabbing everything, everybody's attention, sucking all the, air

579
00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,075
out of the room, which which I think

580
00:19:10,075 --> 00:19:12,154
is done on purpose during these times. Right.

581
00:19:12,154 --> 00:19:13,515
And, you know, you could say it's to

582
00:19:13,515 --> 00:19:15,275
distract us from other stories. I mean, that

583
00:19:15,275 --> 00:19:17,355
does happen. That's not always the case, but

584
00:19:17,355 --> 00:19:19,340
it does happen. But, absolutely, it's meant to

585
00:19:19,340 --> 00:19:22,059
keep people's focus, and trained. And I think

586
00:19:22,059 --> 00:19:24,779
that's both, like, a sort of mental awareness,

587
00:19:24,779 --> 00:19:26,539
but also even on a spiritual front of,

588
00:19:26,539 --> 00:19:28,700
like, keeping us just entrapped into that system.

589
00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:29,164
So,

590
00:19:29,884 --> 00:19:31,965
I say all that to say, choosing to

591
00:19:32,125 --> 00:19:34,285
not to participate in that system after knowing

592
00:19:34,285 --> 00:19:36,605
all the craziness is not choosing to give

593
00:19:36,605 --> 00:19:38,285
up. Maybe for some people, there is, like,

594
00:19:38,365 --> 00:19:40,230
an apathy, but that's not what I personally

595
00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:41,369
advocate. Oh, I mean,

596
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:42,970
I like to say that

597
00:19:43,349 --> 00:19:45,349
I I vote with my actions every day,

598
00:19:45,349 --> 00:19:46,445
you know, and that's that that is the

599
00:19:46,445 --> 00:19:47,725
sort of idea that many of us are

600
00:19:47,725 --> 00:19:49,484
familiar with of voting with your dollar, right,

601
00:19:49,484 --> 00:19:51,565
of, like, the kind of corporations and businesses

602
00:19:51,565 --> 00:19:54,545
you support, supporting local businesses over others.

603
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,720
Whatever. Support people with values that you have

604
00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:57,840
if you'd like to do those sort of

605
00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:58,340
things.

606
00:19:58,799 --> 00:20:01,519
Yeah, that idea, but also a number of

607
00:20:01,519 --> 00:20:03,360
other ways where you just check choosing to

608
00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:05,664
not participate in different systems. So it doesn't

609
00:20:05,664 --> 00:20:07,825
mean that you're not that you've checked out

610
00:20:07,825 --> 00:20:09,345
of society and you don't care and you're

611
00:20:09,345 --> 00:20:10,945
just or people will say, oh, you're just,

612
00:20:11,505 --> 00:20:13,162
want everything to crash. I've heard that a

613
00:20:13,162 --> 00:20:14,500
lot. And then what I'm saying is post

614
00:20:14,500 --> 00:20:16,119
Trump assassination and this hysteria

615
00:20:16,420 --> 00:20:18,340
of me proposing that, hey, maybe you don't

616
00:20:18,340 --> 00:20:19,700
need to vote for these people. Maybe you

617
00:20:19,700 --> 00:20:21,220
don't need to settle for Trump based on

618
00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:23,075
what we've already seen and what we're hearing

619
00:20:23,075 --> 00:20:25,234
now of who he might work with, etcetera,

620
00:20:25,234 --> 00:20:25,734
etcetera.

621
00:20:26,194 --> 00:20:27,875
And for some people, their first thought was

622
00:20:27,875 --> 00:20:29,234
like, so you just don't care anymore. You've

623
00:20:29,234 --> 00:20:30,839
just given up. But that's the opposite of,

624
00:20:30,839 --> 00:20:32,119
you know, so I just wanted to make

625
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,559
that clear because there will be people who

626
00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:35,019
jump straight to that. They think

627
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,640
that just not voting is and, again, to

628
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,019
me, this is part of the programming.

629
00:20:39,394 --> 00:20:41,474
Thinking of that, like, that we're in our

630
00:20:41,474 --> 00:20:43,875
beautiful minds and all the realities of human

631
00:20:43,875 --> 00:20:45,474
beings, everything that we we can think of

632
00:20:45,474 --> 00:20:47,130
and dream up, the idea that if you

633
00:20:47,130 --> 00:20:48,970
don't vote, that's it. There's just nothing else.

634
00:20:48,970 --> 00:20:50,569
There's nothing else there to do. It's either

635
00:20:50,569 --> 00:20:52,170
we're gonna be violent. We're gonna go storm

636
00:20:52,170 --> 00:20:55,184
the capital. We're gonna throw, Molotov cocktails, we're

637
00:20:55,184 --> 00:20:57,105
gonna, you know, riot or whatever. That's how

638
00:20:57,105 --> 00:20:58,484
we're gonna have our revolution,

639
00:20:59,105 --> 00:21:00,785
or we're gonna vote our way out of

640
00:21:00,785 --> 00:21:02,869
this, or we're just gonna be apathetic. And

641
00:21:02,869 --> 00:21:04,630
that's what we've kind of most people, I

642
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:07,369
think, considered the various options somewhere in that,

643
00:21:07,509 --> 00:21:09,450
you know, shades of those things. Yeah.

644
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:11,744
Well, they they just highlights the same circle

645
00:21:11,744 --> 00:21:13,265
of problem. It it comes back to the

646
00:21:13,265 --> 00:21:15,585
idea that it's, you know, that yeah. So

647
00:21:15,585 --> 00:21:17,345
the idea of what we're saying being framed

648
00:21:17,345 --> 00:21:17,845
as

649
00:21:18,190 --> 00:21:20,349
giving up simply means that the only like,

650
00:21:20,349 --> 00:21:21,869
you you just said it. The only thing

651
00:21:21,869 --> 00:21:23,710
that would matter is the vote then. Yeah.

652
00:21:23,710 --> 00:21:24,830
Like, you know and and this is what's

653
00:21:24,830 --> 00:21:27,330
so infuriating about it is that there's obviously,

654
00:21:28,095 --> 00:21:30,174
I think, a verifiable reality that the actions

655
00:21:30,174 --> 00:21:31,855
that have more effect in every possible way

656
00:21:32,095 --> 00:21:33,615
Absolutely. That we do every single day. You

657
00:21:33,615 --> 00:21:34,974
know? And I think that most of the

658
00:21:34,974 --> 00:21:36,720
people that are in that position, there's plenty

659
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,159
of people that are just like, I don't

660
00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:40,240
care. That exists. Yeah. But most people that

661
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,799
are saying, recognize voting has no effect, are

662
00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:44,605
not then going, I give up. It's, in

663
00:21:44,605 --> 00:21:46,284
fact, much, much more around that, and I

664
00:21:46,284 --> 00:21:48,204
think that's self evident. You know? So that's

665
00:21:48,204 --> 00:21:49,184
people that are just,

666
00:21:49,565 --> 00:21:51,904
like, in they do not want to acknowledge

667
00:21:52,204 --> 00:21:54,029
that they don't have that influence. And I

668
00:21:54,029 --> 00:21:55,470
think that just terrifies them. It's a little

669
00:21:55,470 --> 00:21:57,309
bit of cognitive dissonance. I definitely think people

670
00:21:57,309 --> 00:21:59,470
are it's, like, for some people, it feels

671
00:21:59,470 --> 00:22:01,390
like like because I'll hear this from people.

672
00:22:01,390 --> 00:22:02,855
Okay. Yes. I hear you. Yes. The system

673
00:22:02,855 --> 00:22:04,855
is that corrupted. Yes. These things are going

674
00:22:04,855 --> 00:22:07,494
on, but I gotta do something. And okay.

675
00:22:07,494 --> 00:22:09,015
You know, this is one thing. If you

676
00:22:09,015 --> 00:22:11,035
feel like voting serves you in some way,

677
00:22:11,289 --> 00:22:13,049
go there, go get your sticker, press the

678
00:22:13,049 --> 00:22:14,730
button, do the thing that you gotta do,

679
00:22:14,730 --> 00:22:17,289
and, I hope your team wins. Hopefully, it's

680
00:22:17,289 --> 00:22:19,049
good for everybody. Right? Whatever the story line

681
00:22:19,049 --> 00:22:19,549
is.

682
00:22:19,855 --> 00:22:21,295
But I truly mean that. And now I

683
00:22:21,295 --> 00:22:22,974
think it's worth way more of your time

684
00:22:22,974 --> 00:22:24,414
on the local level if you are a

685
00:22:24,414 --> 00:22:26,335
voting person to get involved. You know, we've

686
00:22:26,335 --> 00:22:27,730
talked about this before. I ran for mayor

687
00:22:27,730 --> 00:22:29,490
a couple of times, not with really any

688
00:22:29,490 --> 00:22:31,330
intention that I was gonna get in the

689
00:22:31,330 --> 00:22:33,890
office, but it opened up doors to get

690
00:22:33,890 --> 00:22:36,295
on the radio, get on local TV, talk

691
00:22:36,295 --> 00:22:38,535
about surveillance, talk about privacy, talk about the

692
00:22:38,535 --> 00:22:40,234
issues that I care about, and,

693
00:22:40,775 --> 00:22:42,855
advance these things on the local level in

694
00:22:42,855 --> 00:22:44,134
the area that I live in. You know?

695
00:22:44,134 --> 00:22:44,634
So

696
00:22:45,220 --> 00:22:46,900
if it's if that's something you think is

697
00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:48,740
important, if you wanna vote for somebody on

698
00:22:48,740 --> 00:22:50,500
the school board, then do those things. But

699
00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:52,019
also at the same time, or even if

700
00:22:52,019 --> 00:22:53,960
you are gonna vote from the presidential election,

701
00:22:54,394 --> 00:22:56,075
do these different kinds of things. I mean,

702
00:22:56,075 --> 00:22:58,234
imagine if we're, what, like, 90 days away

703
00:22:58,234 --> 00:22:59,674
from the election, maybe a little more than

704
00:22:59,674 --> 00:23:01,835
that. If you decided to start growing your

705
00:23:01,835 --> 00:23:03,934
own food today or, you know, just learning

706
00:23:04,299 --> 00:23:05,980
new skills. Like, there's so many other ways

707
00:23:05,980 --> 00:23:07,740
that you can again vote with your actions

708
00:23:07,740 --> 00:23:10,059
that in that time, again, plan to vote.

709
00:23:10,059 --> 00:23:11,820
Go vote on election day. But between now

710
00:23:11,820 --> 00:23:13,804
and then, try these other things. You know,

711
00:23:13,804 --> 00:23:16,125
explore options outside of big tech. Like, start

712
00:23:16,125 --> 00:23:18,204
thinking about getting off these different systems that

713
00:23:18,204 --> 00:23:19,654
we know are gonna lead to the,

714
00:23:20,460 --> 00:23:22,480
4th industrial revolution, great reset,

715
00:23:22,860 --> 00:23:24,700
you will own nothing, be happy world that

716
00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:25,900
they're trying to create, you know, and this

717
00:23:25,980 --> 00:23:27,420
and it's not that I don't think we

718
00:23:27,420 --> 00:23:28,080
can potentially

719
00:23:28,465 --> 00:23:30,065
delay that, prevent it. But in the case

720
00:23:30,065 --> 00:23:32,065
that we can't, if you're still on these

721
00:23:32,065 --> 00:23:34,384
old legacy systems, you're going to get pulled

722
00:23:34,384 --> 00:23:36,465
into that reality. So with the with the

723
00:23:36,465 --> 00:23:38,929
ideas then, don't just vote and wait and

724
00:23:38,929 --> 00:23:41,009
trust that a politician is gonna fix, especially

725
00:23:41,009 --> 00:23:42,210
in the case of Trump where we can

726
00:23:42,210 --> 00:23:44,230
see who he's connected to. Right. Instead,

727
00:23:44,694 --> 00:23:46,375
okay, if you wanna do that, but also

728
00:23:46,375 --> 00:23:48,214
put your energy into what you can actually

729
00:23:48,214 --> 00:23:49,734
do in your own community, in your own

730
00:23:49,734 --> 00:23:51,255
area. So, I mean, that's essentially the message

731
00:23:51,255 --> 00:23:53,015
is is actually far from giving up, and

732
00:23:53,015 --> 00:23:55,130
it's actually a lot more work than just

733
00:23:55,130 --> 00:23:57,609
pressing a button and voting. More responsibility. Exactly.

734
00:23:57,609 --> 00:23:59,450
And and for those that are specifically looking

735
00:23:59,450 --> 00:24:01,769
for, like, you know, other than voting to

736
00:24:01,769 --> 00:24:03,714
make it a political change, then, you know,

737
00:24:03,714 --> 00:24:05,875
do what whatever. Go out and protest. Go

738
00:24:05,875 --> 00:24:07,634
speak to your congresspeople if you think that

739
00:24:07,634 --> 00:24:09,075
makes a difference. You know, there's a lot

740
00:24:09,075 --> 00:24:10,994
of other things that, like, even objectively in

741
00:24:10,994 --> 00:24:13,460
regard to the vote itself within the context

742
00:24:13,460 --> 00:24:15,779
of what you see, actually have more of

743
00:24:15,779 --> 00:24:17,299
a difference on the outcome in my opinion.

744
00:24:17,299 --> 00:24:18,980
You know? But so to bring this back

745
00:24:18,980 --> 00:24:20,180
to the point, so, you know, to what

746
00:24:20,180 --> 00:24:21,644
we were talking about, that you were talking

747
00:24:21,644 --> 00:24:23,805
about the planetary emergency. Yep. Right? And where

748
00:24:23,805 --> 00:24:25,484
this is you know, the idea of creating

749
00:24:25,725 --> 00:24:28,225
you know, identifying the poly crisis. And this

750
00:24:28,365 --> 00:24:31,509
obviously overlaps with the the cyber polygon and

751
00:24:31,509 --> 00:24:33,190
the cyber pandemic and the same things they're

752
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:35,269
pushing. That could be the crisis itself. Right.

753
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:36,789
Right. And so, we're talking about the planetary

754
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:37,289
emergency

755
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:39,464
declaration and to kind of overlap that at

756
00:24:39,464 --> 00:24:42,125
this point is what I see happening everywhere

757
00:24:42,585 --> 00:24:44,664
is that so that obviously, I think, is

758
00:24:44,664 --> 00:24:46,759
more effective against the left. Right? The idea

759
00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:48,919
that we're dealing with the climate change problem

760
00:24:48,919 --> 00:24:51,079
and all the pandemics and and so we

761
00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:52,119
have to act. Right? So, you've got a

762
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,240
lot of the left that think that are

763
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,639
almost, like, sleepwalking away okay with a lot

764
00:24:55,639 --> 00:24:57,174
of that stuff. Yeah. And then on the

765
00:24:57,174 --> 00:24:59,095
right, this is where I see this push

766
00:24:59,095 --> 00:25:02,054
happening now to aggressively get them on board

767
00:25:02,054 --> 00:25:03,809
from the other side of it, right, for

768
00:25:03,809 --> 00:25:06,529
whether it's digital IDs or, you know, whatever

769
00:25:06,529 --> 00:25:07,970
it is, but through the idea of, like,

770
00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:10,690
stopping illegal immigration. Or Right. That's absolutely part

771
00:25:10,690 --> 00:25:12,894
of it. So give me your thoughts on

772
00:25:12,894 --> 00:25:14,674
how that works in regard to

773
00:25:15,134 --> 00:25:17,095
declaring a planetary emergency. Right? Because right now,

774
00:25:17,095 --> 00:25:18,734
I think if you did that based on

775
00:25:18,734 --> 00:25:20,195
just the previous discussions,

776
00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:22,339
the right would largely push back. Right? Because

777
00:25:22,339 --> 00:25:24,339
they're very resistant, rightly so, to the UN

778
00:25:24,339 --> 00:25:26,180
and, you know, unless it happens to be

779
00:25:26,180 --> 00:25:28,524
interest of, you know, the political paradigm. So

780
00:25:28,524 --> 00:25:29,884
how do you see that going and talk

781
00:25:29,884 --> 00:25:32,524
about that planetary emergency point? Sure. Sure. So

782
00:25:32,524 --> 00:25:34,365
that's a great point you make there. Like,

783
00:25:34,365 --> 00:25:34,865
the,

784
00:25:35,484 --> 00:25:38,309
just broadly speaking, the left the left has

785
00:25:38,309 --> 00:25:39,849
mostly bought the COVID

786
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:42,470
operation, not all of them, of course. There's

787
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:44,785
leftist against lockdowns, things like that. Let me

788
00:25:44,785 --> 00:25:46,305
say real really quickly. I the way I

789
00:25:46,305 --> 00:25:48,144
look at it is you've got the, you

790
00:25:48,144 --> 00:25:48,884
know, the

791
00:25:49,825 --> 00:25:52,144
Democrats and Republicans. That's the 2 party illusion,

792
00:25:52,144 --> 00:25:54,230
team sport politics, maniac. Then you've got liberals

793
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:56,390
and conservatives that are a little bit more

794
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:57,750
open, you know, and then you got people

795
00:25:57,750 --> 00:26:00,309
that are away. Yeah. Exactly. So some folks

796
00:26:00,309 --> 00:26:02,085
in there that would probably be more left

797
00:26:02,085 --> 00:26:04,644
than right Mhmm. Fell for and have continued

798
00:26:04,644 --> 00:26:07,524
to fall for the COVID operation and, a

799
00:26:07,524 --> 00:26:09,204
lot of different things. And, yes, are more

800
00:26:09,204 --> 00:26:11,529
likely to believe the United Nations and trust

801
00:26:11,529 --> 00:26:12,430
these sort of,

802
00:26:12,970 --> 00:26:15,369
severity of the claims of climb man made

803
00:26:15,369 --> 00:26:16,910
climate change and things like that,

804
00:26:17,369 --> 00:26:19,930
where the right is more, broadly speaking again,

805
00:26:19,930 --> 00:26:21,994
more likely to question those things. But I

806
00:26:21,994 --> 00:26:24,714
do think, and this is just as one

807
00:26:24,714 --> 00:26:26,815
example, the fact that we're seeing Peter Thiel

808
00:26:27,195 --> 00:26:28,815
and around the Trump campaign,

809
00:26:29,195 --> 00:26:30,894
and, of course, all of his connections

810
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:31,839
And,

811
00:26:32,399 --> 00:26:34,480
Zuckerberg, you know, basically getting behind Trump and

812
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,319
Musk getting behind Trump. We're seeing big tech

813
00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:38,240
get behind Trump, and those are those are

814
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,559
the technocrats, you know, and and our day

815
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:41,154
and age.

816
00:26:41,555 --> 00:26:43,715
And, the world that Elon wants to create

817
00:26:43,715 --> 00:26:45,315
that we pointed out is very much very

818
00:26:45,315 --> 00:26:47,474
similar to the 4th industrial revolution that Klaus

819
00:26:47,474 --> 00:26:49,230
Schwab calls to, including transhumanism

820
00:26:49,609 --> 00:26:51,450
and brain chips and But the good version.

821
00:26:51,450 --> 00:26:53,369
Yeah. The good version. All kind of stuff

822
00:26:53,369 --> 00:26:55,210
like that. Right? So that is like you

823
00:26:55,210 --> 00:26:57,130
were saying. I think that's another way that

824
00:26:57,130 --> 00:26:59,005
many of the right will be be the

825
00:26:59,005 --> 00:27:01,404
Trump supporting right will be deceived into supporting

826
00:27:01,404 --> 00:27:02,865
some of these very same agendas

827
00:27:03,164 --> 00:27:05,325
that, okay, maybe they're gonna question the climate

828
00:27:05,325 --> 00:27:07,005
change aspect of it and the way that

829
00:27:07,005 --> 00:27:08,990
the narrative comes in that front, but that'll

830
00:27:08,990 --> 00:27:10,349
get some of those people who are maybe

831
00:27:10,349 --> 00:27:12,349
more left leaning. But then the folks on

832
00:27:12,349 --> 00:27:13,710
the right and also through what you were

833
00:27:13,710 --> 00:27:15,924
just saying, maybe calls for, as Trump has

834
00:27:15,924 --> 00:27:17,765
said in the past and as, Whitney Webb

835
00:27:17,765 --> 00:27:19,944
has reported, like, calling for,

836
00:27:20,565 --> 00:27:22,930
not only digital identities, but facial recognition systems,

837
00:27:22,930 --> 00:27:25,450
and Mhmm. I've written about the digital, border

838
00:27:25,450 --> 00:27:27,849
wall and stuff like that to fight this

839
00:27:27,849 --> 00:27:30,009
illegal immigration that everybody knows has become a

840
00:27:30,009 --> 00:27:32,134
problem, and it could be this problem reaction

841
00:27:32,194 --> 00:27:34,914
solution situation as we've seen before. But there'll

842
00:27:34,914 --> 00:27:36,755
be people who support that or who at

843
00:27:36,755 --> 00:27:38,835
least make excuses for it because Trump's doing

844
00:27:38,835 --> 00:27:41,190
it and because, well, we gotta start immigration

845
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:43,029
in some way. And, well, if we get

846
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:44,710
digital IDs, it will make it there won't

847
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:46,110
be any more voter fraud and there won't

848
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:48,384
we could trust elections finally. And Right. You

849
00:27:48,384 --> 00:27:50,464
know? And if we have facial recognition cameras

850
00:27:50,464 --> 00:27:52,065
everywhere, everybody you know, just they'll sell it

851
00:27:52,065 --> 00:27:53,664
in different ways. That's the major point is

852
00:27:53,664 --> 00:27:55,904
these people behind the scenes, really, you know,

853
00:27:55,904 --> 00:27:57,505
what I often refer to as the predator

854
00:27:57,505 --> 00:27:59,669
predator class, will manipulate both

855
00:28:00,049 --> 00:28:01,809
all these different groups in whatever ways they

856
00:28:01,809 --> 00:28:03,730
believe they can. Right. And it's always framed

857
00:28:03,730 --> 00:28:05,890
as that, like and it could literally be

858
00:28:05,890 --> 00:28:07,964
digital ID, and they'll say, well, you know,

859
00:28:07,964 --> 00:28:09,724
like, the end point where it's, like, just

860
00:28:09,724 --> 00:28:11,085
about to happen, you'll end up getting the

861
00:28:11,085 --> 00:28:12,845
kinda narrative that's, like, well, at least Trump's

862
00:28:12,845 --> 00:28:14,365
the one doing it because he'll make sure

863
00:28:14,365 --> 00:28:15,804
we're doing the right way. Like 15 minute

864
00:28:15,804 --> 00:28:17,990
cities, Trump's talked about freedom cities. Right.

865
00:28:18,450 --> 00:28:18,950
Exactly.

866
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:20,849
I've seen that that's literally a thing. He's

867
00:28:20,849 --> 00:28:22,369
talked about, yeah, we're gonna build these beautiful

868
00:28:22,369 --> 00:28:24,529
freedom cities, and I could just imagine that

869
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:25,750
becoming this 5g

870
00:28:26,255 --> 00:28:28,174
smart city Right. You know, 15 minute city,

871
00:28:28,174 --> 00:28:29,855
whatever. Or or the Elon overlap you already

872
00:28:29,855 --> 00:28:31,694
pointed out that suddenly it's the good AI,

873
00:28:31,694 --> 00:28:33,294
you know, because because it's you know, he's

874
00:28:33,294 --> 00:28:34,849
the one doing it. And so they just

875
00:28:34,849 --> 00:28:37,410
sleepwalk into it because they've convinced themselves that

876
00:28:37,410 --> 00:28:39,509
he wouldn't do that. You know, it's very

877
00:28:39,569 --> 00:28:40,069
childlike

878
00:28:40,529 --> 00:28:42,609
mindset. Well It's terrifying. To tie it back

879
00:28:42,609 --> 00:28:43,970
into the sum of the future, one of

880
00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:45,234
the ways I think this this is all

881
00:28:45,234 --> 00:28:47,075
gonna tie back in because, again, the great

882
00:28:47,075 --> 00:28:49,315
reset, that agenda hasn't gone anywhere. People were

883
00:28:49,315 --> 00:28:49,714
very,

884
00:28:50,115 --> 00:28:52,789
awake to it during COVID 1984 and, you

885
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:54,630
know, making big moves, moving around the world,

886
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:56,630
protesting in the millions. Like, there was some

887
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:58,309
major resistance in some parts of the world

888
00:28:58,309 --> 00:28:59,829
to the measures that were taking place. Pretty

889
00:28:59,829 --> 00:29:02,434
unpartisan. And people were, like, waking up to

890
00:29:02,434 --> 00:29:04,674
that June 2020 announcement of the World Economic

891
00:29:04,674 --> 00:29:06,595
Forum, the great reset, and then their conference

892
00:29:06,595 --> 00:29:07,734
in January 2021.

893
00:29:08,434 --> 00:29:10,599
That hasn't gone anywhere. That that that you

894
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:12,200
know, call it whatever name you wanna call

895
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,919
it now. It still is the something they're

896
00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:17,079
they're working on in different ways, and this

897
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:18,839
summit of the future is just another iteration

898
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:21,085
of that. And I wanna point out that,

899
00:29:21,544 --> 00:29:23,784
besides digital identities, and we were talking about

900
00:29:23,784 --> 00:29:25,944
facial recognition and talking about these different aspects

901
00:29:25,944 --> 00:29:27,625
of getting this agenda, which, again, they can

902
00:29:27,625 --> 00:29:29,580
sell to us as carbon credits. We already

903
00:29:29,580 --> 00:29:31,660
saw Jeffrey Sachs is advocating for a new

904
00:29:31,660 --> 00:29:33,200
international system of taxation

905
00:29:33,820 --> 00:29:35,920
on emissions and different things like that.

906
00:29:36,585 --> 00:29:37,944
They're going to be able to get this

907
00:29:37,944 --> 00:29:41,065
digital technocratic system that they want one another,

908
00:29:41,065 --> 00:29:43,005
whether it's through a push of climate change,

909
00:29:43,544 --> 00:29:45,325
pandemics, or fighting immigration,

910
00:29:45,784 --> 00:29:48,779
like, and that involves having digital identities,

911
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:52,119
having facial recognition everywhere, eventually, things like social

912
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:53,500
credit scores, but also

913
00:29:54,005 --> 00:29:54,404
digital,

914
00:29:54,805 --> 00:29:57,204
currencies, and we know CBDCs. So I wanna

915
00:29:57,204 --> 00:29:58,825
mention that just like,

916
00:29:59,765 --> 00:30:01,684
many other places, we're seeing the call for

917
00:30:01,684 --> 00:30:03,224
the sum of the future to also,

918
00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:07,079
create a new international financial system. They keep

919
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:08,599
saying it's time for a new Bretton Woods

920
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:10,200
movement, which is, of course, what created the

921
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,740
International Monetary Fund.

922
00:30:12,144 --> 00:30:13,904
And there's a UN document that I quote

923
00:30:13,904 --> 00:30:15,505
from that's called What Would It Deliver and

924
00:30:15,505 --> 00:30:17,664
it calls for a global financial system that

925
00:30:17,664 --> 00:30:20,945
works for all and a transformed international financial

926
00:30:20,945 --> 00:30:21,445
architecture

927
00:30:21,769 --> 00:30:23,609
fit for purpose and, you know, includes all

928
00:30:23,609 --> 00:30:25,869
the words, inclusive, representative, effective,

929
00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:27,470
resilient, etcetera.

930
00:30:27,769 --> 00:30:30,170
But it's basically about creating new financial system

931
00:30:30,170 --> 00:30:31,894
to fund the SDGs

932
00:30:32,195 --> 00:30:34,855
to rapidly create them, finish them by 2020

933
00:30:34,994 --> 00:30:36,535
to reach these goals at 2030

934
00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:38,914
to reach these goals of completing these 17

935
00:30:38,914 --> 00:30:41,190
sustainable development goals based around climate

936
00:30:41,970 --> 00:30:44,289
change. And, this is as I reported for

937
00:30:44,289 --> 00:30:46,849
TLAB back in 2023 when France held the

938
00:30:46,849 --> 00:30:49,204
summit for a new global financing pact. They've

939
00:30:49,204 --> 00:30:51,365
been kind of building to this moment of

940
00:30:51,365 --> 00:30:53,684
not just declaring the planetary emergency, which is

941
00:30:53,684 --> 00:30:55,845
a major part of it, but also remaking

942
00:30:55,845 --> 00:30:58,440
the UN, UN 2 point o, and some

943
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,660
sort of new international

944
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,880
financial agreement Mhmm. To get major funding probably

945
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,179
from groups like BlackRock,

946
00:31:05,525 --> 00:31:08,244
BlackRock, and others. And, not because it says

947
00:31:08,244 --> 00:31:10,724
not just nations anymore, that they wanna move

948
00:31:10,724 --> 00:31:13,799
beyond just to being funded by volant, donations

949
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:15,399
from nations. We need all state. This is

950
00:31:15,399 --> 00:31:17,799
stakeholder capitalism. Right? Right. So as they start

951
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:21,194
getting these private funding along with government funding,

952
00:31:21,194 --> 00:31:22,654
which is all taxed from people,

953
00:31:23,755 --> 00:31:26,714
to create the to basically invest the money

954
00:31:26,714 --> 00:31:27,214
to

955
00:31:27,569 --> 00:31:30,130
rapidly get to these 2030 agenda and net

956
00:31:30,130 --> 00:31:32,369
zero goals. And that is, I think, another

957
00:31:32,369 --> 00:31:35,009
major worrisome aspect of this upcoming summon of

958
00:31:35,009 --> 00:31:36,869
the future and this pack for the future.

959
00:31:36,984 --> 00:31:38,605
So in regard to the the

960
00:31:39,625 --> 00:31:41,705
fund, like, so the part part the public

961
00:31:41,705 --> 00:31:43,785
private partnership that you highlighted there, like, so

962
00:31:43,785 --> 00:31:46,710
what do you from your understanding of that,

963
00:31:46,869 --> 00:31:48,950
what does that change for them? Like, so,

964
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:50,230
you know, what is the concern there? Why

965
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:52,149
would that be happening? Like, my first thought

966
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:54,069
is the idea that there's now elements of

967
00:31:54,069 --> 00:31:56,815
things that are very clearly controlling or, you

968
00:31:56,815 --> 00:31:58,335
know, in some way influencing the way you

969
00:31:58,335 --> 00:31:59,855
live your life. Yeah. But if you wanna

970
00:31:59,855 --> 00:32:01,695
investigate or ask, well, sorry. It's a private

971
00:32:01,695 --> 00:32:03,630
company. You know? So what are your thoughts

972
00:32:03,630 --> 00:32:05,549
on that, other ways that that might be

973
00:32:05,549 --> 00:32:07,470
used? And, like, why they would be just

974
00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:08,750
not why isn't the government just come out

975
00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:10,190
and say this is your best interest? Why

976
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:11,250
is it becoming this

977
00:32:11,684 --> 00:32:14,085
fat you know, weird fascist overlap? Oh, with,

978
00:32:14,085 --> 00:32:16,005
like, with the corporate and kind of private,

979
00:32:16,005 --> 00:32:17,924
public yeah. Well, I think that that Whitney

980
00:32:17,924 --> 00:32:19,750
makes this point about, like, Palantir and, you

981
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:21,339
you know, like, the point being that, like,

982
00:32:21,339 --> 00:32:23,326
LifeLog total information awareness, like Yeah. Just we

983
00:32:23,326 --> 00:32:24,916
we push back and, like, okay. We'll just

984
00:32:25,115 --> 00:32:26,705
we'll use Palant. We'll make it a private

985
00:32:26,705 --> 00:32:28,295
company then. Yeah. You know? So how to

986
00:32:28,375 --> 00:32:29,494
give me that version of what we're dealing

987
00:32:29,494 --> 00:32:30,934
with here today. In some well, in some

988
00:32:30,934 --> 00:32:33,095
ways, it being when it goes to private

989
00:32:33,095 --> 00:32:35,275
companies or private organizations or even

990
00:32:35,789 --> 00:32:37,730
various versions of nonprofit

991
00:32:38,509 --> 00:32:39,570
type philanthropic

992
00:32:40,029 --> 00:32:41,250
organizations, especially,

993
00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:44,190
for 1, there's different privacy rules that, like,

994
00:32:44,190 --> 00:32:46,585
the public can't necessarily FOIA what some of

995
00:32:46,585 --> 00:32:48,904
those organizations, right, as you can a government

996
00:32:48,904 --> 00:32:49,404
agency,

997
00:32:49,785 --> 00:32:51,305
something like that. So that's one thing is

998
00:32:51,305 --> 00:32:52,445
being able to move

999
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,880
communications or maybe funds because you can hide

1000
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,799
behind some of these different Right. You know,

1001
00:32:57,799 --> 00:32:59,799
qualifications. It's a private company when you want

1002
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:00,759
it to be. It's the government when you

1003
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:02,315
want to be. Right? Yeah. Exactly. Or, you

1004
00:33:02,315 --> 00:33:04,955
know, some 501, whatever, that has certain levels

1005
00:33:04,955 --> 00:33:06,634
of privacy that the public can't get to.

1006
00:33:06,634 --> 00:33:08,555
There's different things. There would be benefits to

1007
00:33:08,555 --> 00:33:10,419
somebody if they wanted to use them in

1008
00:33:10,419 --> 00:33:10,919
these

1009
00:33:11,460 --> 00:33:13,720
ways. And, and, yeah, I think that overall,

1010
00:33:14,179 --> 00:33:15,159
this is that

1011
00:33:16,019 --> 00:33:17,835
I I don't think it's cliche to say

1012
00:33:17,835 --> 00:33:19,674
that is that it fits the definition of

1013
00:33:19,674 --> 00:33:22,335
fascism when it does become this public, private

1014
00:33:22,634 --> 00:33:24,634
collaboration. Not to say that every single thing

1015
00:33:24,634 --> 00:33:27,359
where the government and some outside agency,

1016
00:33:27,819 --> 00:33:28,319
organization,

1017
00:33:28,859 --> 00:33:29,919
corporation, etcetera,

1018
00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:32,539
collaborate on like, they build a park. Obviously,

1019
00:33:32,539 --> 00:33:34,275
that would may you know, I guess that's

1020
00:33:34,275 --> 00:33:35,954
still fascism or whatever. Right? But you know

1021
00:33:35,954 --> 00:33:37,634
what I mean? Like, within reason, but when

1022
00:33:37,634 --> 00:33:40,134
they're coming together to then in this case,

1023
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:42,789
it's not only just that like, let's give

1024
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:44,070
them a bunch of money so they can

1025
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:47,029
spread the agenda 2030 propaganda and start initiating

1026
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:50,144
programs, and it's they're specifically saying that developing

1027
00:33:50,144 --> 00:33:51,444
the 3rd world nations

1028
00:33:51,984 --> 00:33:54,865
need money to rapidly transform them. So they're

1029
00:33:54,865 --> 00:33:56,599
gonna try to or not. Right? Yeah. Exactly.

1030
00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:57,880
They're gonna try to get them all, like,

1031
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,640
whether we've seen them do in India with

1032
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,200
the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation funding the

1033
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,440
adhar system of digital identities and scanning the

1034
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,434
retina of billions of Indian people, like, over,

1035
00:34:07,974 --> 00:34:09,574
5, I think, to 5 years to a

1036
00:34:09,574 --> 00:34:10,074
decade.

1037
00:34:10,614 --> 00:34:11,175
And and,

1038
00:34:11,655 --> 00:34:13,950
obviously, China and other places. So they wanna

1039
00:34:13,950 --> 00:34:15,910
go on these these places, and they're I've

1040
00:34:15,910 --> 00:34:17,349
written about this before too that the whole

1041
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:19,510
thing is these poor people are you know,

1042
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:21,269
they don't have identity in there. They would

1043
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:22,775
they just don't have a bank account. We

1044
00:34:22,775 --> 00:34:24,454
need to get them banked. And and, you

1045
00:34:24,454 --> 00:34:25,974
know, they're the de banked of the world,

1046
00:34:25,974 --> 00:34:27,094
and they talk about it like it's a

1047
00:34:27,094 --> 00:34:28,375
negative thing. We need to get them into

1048
00:34:28,375 --> 00:34:29,894
the matrix. So we need to get them

1049
00:34:29,894 --> 00:34:32,269
a digital identity, scan their thumb, their retina,

1050
00:34:32,269 --> 00:34:34,050
get them in the biometric system

1051
00:34:34,510 --> 00:34:36,430
so then they can get government documents and

1052
00:34:36,430 --> 00:34:37,710
then get a job or something. That's the

1053
00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:39,230
way they're paying it. Right? But it's really

1054
00:34:39,614 --> 00:34:41,855
they're creating this apparatus, and it's easier to

1055
00:34:41,855 --> 00:34:44,574
sell in the and, unfortunately, in the developing

1056
00:34:44,574 --> 00:34:45,635
world, many places

1057
00:34:45,934 --> 00:34:47,855
who are in poverty and who could use

1058
00:34:47,855 --> 00:34:49,820
some support, they are able to kind of

1059
00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:50,460
buy that,

1060
00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:53,260
buy that in by sort of, in some

1061
00:34:53,260 --> 00:34:55,579
ways, maybe actually elevating their life standard, but

1062
00:34:55,579 --> 00:34:57,359
also, of course, doing it in a way

1063
00:34:57,474 --> 00:34:59,474
that is bringing them into the system already

1064
00:34:59,554 --> 00:35:01,235
Right. That in some places like the US

1065
00:35:01,235 --> 00:35:04,275
and elsewhere, we're trying to prevent going into.

1066
00:35:04,275 --> 00:35:05,474
You know? Well, then they pretend it like

1067
00:35:05,474 --> 00:35:06,835
some kind of panacea that's gonna solve all

1068
00:35:06,835 --> 00:35:09,519
their problems when Exactly. Obviously, there's plenty more

1069
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:10,960
problems come along with it even if you

1070
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,900
do have some benefit from it. You know?

1071
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:15,059
What do I wanted to ask about the,

1072
00:35:16,465 --> 00:35:18,785
the CBDC point. Right? And so and so

1073
00:35:18,785 --> 00:35:21,025
the idea of the CBDCs is a really

1074
00:35:21,025 --> 00:35:23,849
very prominent aspect of all this. And so

1075
00:35:23,849 --> 00:35:25,449
what do you think about the idea? Like,

1076
00:35:25,449 --> 00:35:27,530
so we have a conversation about AI and

1077
00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:28,429
and the worry

1078
00:35:28,809 --> 00:35:31,265
that whether or not they do reach some

1079
00:35:31,265 --> 00:35:32,625
level of you know, whether we're talking about

1080
00:35:32,625 --> 00:35:34,465
Sentient or anything. You know, the idea that

1081
00:35:34,465 --> 00:35:35,605
the AI is the

1082
00:35:35,985 --> 00:35:37,505
something knows better. Right? Listen to it. You

1083
00:35:37,505 --> 00:35:39,105
know, whether that's the reality or they're just

1084
00:35:39,105 --> 00:35:41,170
behind the scenes pumping in where they want,

1085
00:35:41,170 --> 00:35:42,929
you know, the the AI says, you know,

1086
00:35:42,929 --> 00:35:45,109
like, kinda thing where it's really just the

1087
00:35:45,329 --> 00:35:47,329
social engineers kind of using that as, like,

1088
00:35:47,329 --> 00:35:49,474
a puppet almost. In in your set your

1089
00:35:49,474 --> 00:35:51,875
mindset, you're worried that that's something that might

1090
00:35:51,875 --> 00:35:54,295
similar happen in regard to CBDCs. Right? Where,

1091
00:35:54,355 --> 00:35:56,369
you know, it's not what they frame it

1092
00:35:56,369 --> 00:35:58,130
as. It's just simply some level of digital

1093
00:35:58,130 --> 00:36:00,210
currency that's just being you. Like, one of

1094
00:36:00,210 --> 00:36:00,609
the,

1095
00:36:01,329 --> 00:36:03,010
popular statements somebody made, I forget who it

1096
00:36:03,010 --> 00:36:04,289
was, was like, look. Why do we need

1097
00:36:04,289 --> 00:36:06,465
this? We already have Venmo and digital. Mhmm.

1098
00:36:06,465 --> 00:36:08,864
You know, obviously, because it's just a ability

1099
00:36:08,864 --> 00:36:10,545
to control. You know? So where do you

1100
00:36:10,545 --> 00:36:11,825
see that at right now? And then give

1101
00:36:11,825 --> 00:36:13,105
me your thoughts on, you know, where that's

1102
00:36:13,105 --> 00:36:14,410
at and where it's going in regard to

1103
00:36:14,410 --> 00:36:16,730
CBDCs. Well, so this is an interesting conversation

1104
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:18,809
because as you mentioned earlier, we're we're going

1105
00:36:18,809 --> 00:36:20,890
to the Bitcoin conference out here this weekend.

1106
00:36:20,890 --> 00:36:21,390
And,

1107
00:36:22,074 --> 00:36:23,474
you know, not to get the whole conversation

1108
00:36:23,474 --> 00:36:25,755
in that direction, but I've been involved with

1109
00:36:25,755 --> 00:36:28,074
the Bitcoin space since 2012 in terms of

1110
00:36:28,074 --> 00:36:30,730
getting receiving my first transaction for some journalism

1111
00:36:30,730 --> 00:36:32,250
I was doing back then Mhmm. And then

1112
00:36:32,250 --> 00:36:34,489
starting to report at the Texas Bitcoin Conference

1113
00:36:34,489 --> 00:36:37,630
in 2013, 2014, interviewing Ben Swan and,

1114
00:36:38,244 --> 00:36:40,565
Vitalik of Ethereum and other you know, just

1115
00:36:40,565 --> 00:36:43,305
learning about the space and exploring it and

1116
00:36:43,684 --> 00:36:45,045
and have seen it go from at that

1117
00:36:45,045 --> 00:36:46,344
point being a very

1118
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:47,980
anarchistic,

1119
00:36:48,359 --> 00:36:50,940
free minded, you know, freedom minded, etcetera,

1120
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,904
space of, you know, mostly what people would

1121
00:36:54,904 --> 00:36:56,664
turn back in the nineties, the cypherpunk type

1122
00:36:56,664 --> 00:36:59,065
people. Like, this is nongovernment money. This could

1123
00:36:59,065 --> 00:37:00,664
potentially get us away. You know, a lot

1124
00:37:00,664 --> 00:37:01,944
of people from the end of Fed movement

1125
00:37:01,944 --> 00:37:03,065
who are like, this could get us off

1126
00:37:03,065 --> 00:37:04,364
the central banking system.

1127
00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:06,409
And I still think that. I I I

1128
00:37:06,409 --> 00:37:08,010
believe I believe that as well. And there

1129
00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:09,610
was always that, and that was the majority

1130
00:37:09,610 --> 00:37:12,135
back then. And then the folks who even

1131
00:37:12,135 --> 00:37:12,635
then,

1132
00:37:12,934 --> 00:37:15,275
let's say 2013, 14, who were like,

1133
00:37:16,054 --> 00:37:17,574
if we're gonna really grow this, it needs

1134
00:37:17,574 --> 00:37:19,735
to become regulated. We need government support to

1135
00:37:19,735 --> 00:37:21,594
make it mainstream, acceptance, etcetera.

1136
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,279
Well, that side has mostly won these days.

1137
00:37:24,279 --> 00:37:25,799
You know? And, you know, that's, like, again,

1138
00:37:25,799 --> 00:37:27,239
a whole other conversation. But in terms of

1139
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:27,900
the CBC,

1140
00:37:28,359 --> 00:37:29,579
I do think that,

1141
00:37:31,105 --> 00:37:33,264
Mark Godwin, who Whitney's been doing,

1142
00:37:33,664 --> 00:37:34,964
some pieces with recently,

1143
00:37:35,824 --> 00:37:38,500
formerly over at the Bitcoin Magazine, that he

1144
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:40,680
is correct. He called it the Bitcoin dollar,

1145
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:43,079
just like we have the petrodollar

1146
00:37:43,380 --> 00:37:44,360
Mhmm. That

1147
00:37:44,820 --> 00:37:45,320
Bitcoin,

1148
00:37:45,675 --> 00:37:46,734
along with the CBDC,

1149
00:37:47,034 --> 00:37:48,554
I think, is gonna be out there are

1150
00:37:48,554 --> 00:37:50,715
gonna be kind of allowed to continue. Mhmm.

1151
00:37:50,715 --> 00:37:52,315
But it is gonna go all digital. But

1152
00:37:52,315 --> 00:37:54,155
just like you already have a dollar and

1153
00:37:54,155 --> 00:37:55,375
then you can get gold,

1154
00:37:55,739 --> 00:37:57,019
Bitcoin has been promoted by a lot of

1155
00:37:57,019 --> 00:37:58,380
these people, not as a currency that we

1156
00:37:58,380 --> 00:38:00,219
can use that will get it from always

1157
00:38:00,219 --> 00:38:01,820
away from the government and away from taxes

1158
00:38:01,820 --> 00:38:03,420
and away from the Federal Reserve System, which

1159
00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:05,175
was the way I was originally learned about,

1160
00:38:05,175 --> 00:38:07,255
what I was excited about, you know, why

1161
00:38:07,255 --> 00:38:09,095
I still use things like Monero and things

1162
00:38:09,095 --> 00:38:11,494
like that. But over the years, the folks

1163
00:38:11,494 --> 00:38:13,570
who and some of them connected to Block

1164
00:38:13,650 --> 00:38:15,489
Stream, connected to the Bilderberg group, connected to

1165
00:38:15,489 --> 00:38:16,390
shady people,

1166
00:38:17,650 --> 00:38:19,730
have called for it not being a currency.

1167
00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:21,570
It's digital gold. Hold it. Now, you know,

1168
00:38:21,570 --> 00:38:23,805
it's it's mainstream pretty much. You got big

1169
00:38:23,805 --> 00:38:24,305
corporations,

1170
00:38:24,844 --> 00:38:26,445
BlackRock and others saying that it's a great

1171
00:38:26,445 --> 00:38:29,244
thing. And so Mark and others have argued,

1172
00:38:29,244 --> 00:38:31,050
I think, correctly that we're gonna see this

1173
00:38:31,050 --> 00:38:32,730
system where, yes, there will be some type

1174
00:38:32,730 --> 00:38:34,989
of CBDC rolled out in different countries,

1175
00:38:35,849 --> 00:38:38,090
and that we're already seeing these programs tested

1176
00:38:38,090 --> 00:38:40,195
and seeing it text tech, tested by the

1177
00:38:40,195 --> 00:38:42,275
Bank of International Settlements. Right. And,

1178
00:38:42,994 --> 00:38:44,835
but then Bitcoin will still be allowed, but

1179
00:38:44,835 --> 00:38:46,755
it's not gonna be some freedom money. It's

1180
00:38:46,755 --> 00:38:49,650
this just, okay, at best, some investment that

1181
00:38:50,029 --> 00:38:52,269
those who continue in might get some gains

1182
00:38:52,269 --> 00:38:54,589
on, but not in a radical way that

1183
00:38:54,589 --> 00:38:56,324
you actually use it. Like, it's just gonna

1184
00:38:56,324 --> 00:38:58,724
be another thing you hold effectively defeating the

1185
00:38:58,724 --> 00:39:00,965
original purpose and intention of it. Exactly. So

1186
00:39:00,965 --> 00:39:02,359
I think that's kind of what in terms

1187
00:39:02,359 --> 00:39:03,960
of the financial thing, and now that's why

1188
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,440
they're calling for this new financial international system,

1189
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,099
but also

1190
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,199
calling for a major investment of cash, like

1191
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:12,175
injection of cash into the UN's,

1192
00:39:12,635 --> 00:39:14,235
efforts to come you know? Right. In the

1193
00:39:14,235 --> 00:39:15,755
next 5 years or so, five and a

1194
00:39:15,755 --> 00:39:18,235
half years to complete these goals. Yep. And

1195
00:39:18,235 --> 00:39:19,755
so that's the other reason that I think

1196
00:39:19,755 --> 00:39:19,994
it's,

1197
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:22,390
potentially worrisome in addition to just that, like

1198
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:23,769
I said, that call for the,

1199
00:39:24,309 --> 00:39:26,090
planetary emergency, the emergency

1200
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:28,070
platform is what they call it. And as

1201
00:39:28,070 --> 00:39:29,704
I write here and I've pointed out in

1202
00:39:29,704 --> 00:39:31,344
a few articles now that this goes back

1203
00:39:31,344 --> 00:39:32,664
to the Club of Rome, and, like, they

1204
00:39:32,785 --> 00:39:34,565
they've been around since the sixties.

1205
00:39:35,025 --> 00:39:36,945
And they have been calling for,

1206
00:39:37,265 --> 00:39:40,130
a planetary emergency since at least 2019 and

1207
00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:42,289
a doc that they called the planetary emergency

1208
00:39:42,289 --> 00:39:44,849
plan, which they released right prior to COVID

1209
00:39:44,849 --> 00:39:46,869
and then updated, like, in August 2020

1210
00:39:47,224 --> 00:39:49,864
to include discussion of pandemics and, but it

1211
00:39:49,864 --> 00:39:51,704
basically says it's a road map for governments

1212
00:39:51,704 --> 00:39:53,804
and other stakeholders to shift our societies

1213
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,719
and our economies to bring balance between people,

1214
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:57,780
planet, and prosperity.

1215
00:39:58,319 --> 00:39:59,760
And so, yeah, it's them, and you can

1216
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,760
go back and follow the their history of

1217
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,059
their being essentially

1218
00:40:03,474 --> 00:40:05,815
calling for population control in some way, eugenicism,

1219
00:40:06,195 --> 00:40:07,255
eugenics, and,

1220
00:40:07,875 --> 00:40:09,635
same thing. They've been calling for this planetary

1221
00:40:09,635 --> 00:40:11,635
emergency. It's these, like, Paul Ehrlich and these

1222
00:40:11,635 --> 00:40:13,940
other scientists who've been wrong and, you know,

1223
00:40:13,940 --> 00:40:15,780
preparing there's gonna be a population bomb and

1224
00:40:15,940 --> 00:40:18,579
Right. Humanity is the problem. Like, these are

1225
00:40:18,579 --> 00:40:19,639
the the psychopaths

1226
00:40:19,940 --> 00:40:22,364
in many cases who have influenced

1227
00:40:23,385 --> 00:40:25,065
just like we talked about earlier, not everybody

1228
00:40:25,065 --> 00:40:26,385
at the UN is a bad person. There

1229
00:40:26,385 --> 00:40:27,784
are good people who do go in there

1230
00:40:27,784 --> 00:40:29,960
with positive intentions, and maybe even in their

1231
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,880
little arena of things, they do some good.

1232
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,960
You know? But, overall, the institution and the

1233
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,800
people who are driving it and things like

1234
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,815
this, the pact for the future, the declaration

1235
00:40:37,815 --> 00:40:39,034
of planetary emergency,

1236
00:40:39,574 --> 00:40:40,315
are coming

1237
00:40:40,855 --> 00:40:42,855
from the club of Rome Right. Who wrote

1238
00:40:42,855 --> 00:40:45,114
back in the nineties that the real enemy

1239
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:47,809
is humanity itself. And said that, you know,

1240
00:40:47,809 --> 00:40:49,650
basically, that we're causing all these problems. They

1241
00:40:49,650 --> 00:40:51,010
realized that that was the way they could

1242
00:40:51,010 --> 00:40:53,110
achieve their goals after the Eugenesis

1243
00:40:53,795 --> 00:40:56,694
movement became unpopular, obviously, post World War 2.

1244
00:40:56,755 --> 00:40:58,355
Of course, we know that Hitler's ideas came

1245
00:40:58,355 --> 00:41:00,194
from the American Eugenesis. Like, it's it's an

1246
00:41:00,194 --> 00:41:01,795
idea that many people have forgotten about, but

1247
00:41:01,795 --> 00:41:03,315
I do think that's what this really comes

1248
00:41:03,315 --> 00:41:05,400
back back to. And that doesn't mean, again,

1249
00:41:05,780 --> 00:41:07,780
what's gonna happen in September is necessarily gonna

1250
00:41:07,780 --> 00:41:10,099
lead to population control the next day, but

1251
00:41:10,099 --> 00:41:12,099
this is one of the many steps, and

1252
00:41:12,099 --> 00:41:13,400
there are more to come,

1253
00:41:14,324 --> 00:41:16,565
in this direction of pushing us ultimately towards

1254
00:41:16,565 --> 00:41:18,105
a world government that can,

1255
00:41:18,644 --> 00:41:21,924
from the top down, technocratic centralized position, and

1256
00:41:21,924 --> 00:41:23,304
using things like AI

1257
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:25,190
in the negative way because it's just a

1258
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:26,469
tool, and it could be used in some

1259
00:41:26,469 --> 00:41:28,309
positive ways, and it already is in some

1260
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:28,809
ways.

1261
00:41:29,269 --> 00:41:31,429
But using that along with what we described

1262
00:41:31,429 --> 00:41:33,369
earlier, digital identities, facial recognition,

1263
00:41:33,735 --> 00:41:35,335
basically creating a system that can be tracked

1264
00:41:35,335 --> 00:41:37,335
and traced and easily managed, that is the

1265
00:41:37,335 --> 00:41:39,335
technocratic vision. And then they talked about back

1266
00:41:39,335 --> 00:41:41,434
in the day too, the original technocrats,

1267
00:41:42,099 --> 00:41:44,180
energy credits. Well, we talk about carbon credits.

1268
00:41:44,180 --> 00:41:46,260
We talk about these sorts of things. Like,

1269
00:41:46,260 --> 00:41:48,599
that's the system that they're they're building, and,

1270
00:41:48,739 --> 00:41:50,579
unfortunately, I think that this sum of the

1271
00:41:50,579 --> 00:41:52,565
future is packed the future, this declaration of

1272
00:41:52,565 --> 00:41:54,965
planetary emergency. In addition to now, they're saying

1273
00:41:54,965 --> 00:41:55,625
they're gonna

1274
00:41:55,925 --> 00:41:58,184
sign the declaration on future generations,

1275
00:41:58,724 --> 00:42:00,344
the Global Digital Compact.

1276
00:42:00,869 --> 00:42:02,789
I haven't looked into each of those deeply

1277
00:42:02,789 --> 00:42:04,469
yet, but those are, I think, other things

1278
00:42:04,469 --> 00:42:05,690
to pay attention to. So

1279
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:08,150
it's I I my my goal with writing

1280
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:10,184
about this in this particular article saying, like,

1281
00:42:10,184 --> 00:42:11,945
hey, why does this matter is because just

1282
00:42:11,945 --> 00:42:14,264
like I mentioned with the pandemic agreement thing,

1283
00:42:14,264 --> 00:42:16,505
I think it deserves that much attention. Yeah.

1284
00:42:16,505 --> 00:42:17,784
I agree. I don't know what that looks

1285
00:42:17,784 --> 00:42:19,960
like. I do think I wish that sometimes

1286
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:20,940
there was still

1287
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,639
some protest spirit out there. I know that

1288
00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:24,599
life is hard and a lot of people

1289
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:26,039
are struggling for money and can't just fly

1290
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:27,400
to New York, but it would be amazing

1291
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,299
if there was some,

1292
00:42:28,954 --> 00:42:31,534
you know, organization out there. Like, we're organizing

1293
00:42:31,594 --> 00:42:33,594
another greater reset. Now we're calling it the

1294
00:42:33,594 --> 00:42:35,675
people's reset event the week after, you know,

1295
00:42:35,675 --> 00:42:38,059
is our is our form of protester pushing

1296
00:42:38,059 --> 00:42:38,719
back. That's,

1297
00:42:39,420 --> 00:42:41,819
the People's Reset UK happening in Bath, UK,

1298
00:42:41,819 --> 00:42:44,059
and so that's gonna be similar 3 days

1299
00:42:44,059 --> 00:42:46,414
like they're doing, but have solutions from bottom

1300
00:42:46,414 --> 00:42:48,195
up ideas as we've done over the years.

1301
00:42:48,575 --> 00:42:49,855
So I'm trying to do my part and

1302
00:42:49,855 --> 00:42:51,535
then writing about it, but, ultimately, it's just

1303
00:42:51,535 --> 00:42:53,655
about getting this awareness out there because Right.

1304
00:42:53,775 --> 00:42:54,755
Like we said earlier,

1305
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:57,119
most people don't even know these things are

1306
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:58,960
going on, and and and I get it.

1307
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,800
Like, people are overworked. They're tired. They're trying

1308
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,559
to just make it through By design. Things.

1309
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:04,914
And that exact exactly is by design, so

1310
00:43:04,914 --> 00:43:06,595
you don't have time to stop and think

1311
00:43:06,595 --> 00:43:09,075
and and and be able to even think

1312
00:43:09,075 --> 00:43:10,595
about getting out of these systems. But if

1313
00:43:10,595 --> 00:43:12,690
you're hearing this broadcast, you found yourself here

1314
00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:13,750
one way or the other,

1315
00:43:14,050 --> 00:43:15,570
then this is the heads up to you

1316
00:43:15,570 --> 00:43:17,090
that they're working on these things. This is

1317
00:43:17,090 --> 00:43:19,010
more reason to not be dependent on their

1318
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:20,610
systems because the world that they're trying to

1319
00:43:20,610 --> 00:43:22,885
describe here, they're trying to work towards in

1320
00:43:22,885 --> 00:43:25,525
the name of fighting these planetary crises, fighting

1321
00:43:25,525 --> 00:43:26,585
climate change, etcetera,

1322
00:43:27,045 --> 00:43:28,885
is not one that's gonna lead to privacy

1323
00:43:28,885 --> 00:43:31,389
and liberty and, freedom for yourself, for your

1324
00:43:31,389 --> 00:43:33,789
family or anybody else. Yeah. I agree, man.

1325
00:43:33,789 --> 00:43:35,150
And I, I think that as we kind

1326
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:36,929
of highlighted before, the central problem

1327
00:43:37,389 --> 00:43:39,150
is that it always comes back to sort

1328
00:43:39,150 --> 00:43:41,224
of reverence for authority in this point of

1329
00:43:41,224 --> 00:43:42,905
people within the UN, you said, or any

1330
00:43:42,905 --> 00:43:44,505
other situation. One of the reasons why we

1331
00:43:44,505 --> 00:43:46,905
shouldn't be boxing out any potential ally you

1332
00:43:46,905 --> 00:43:48,285
know what I mean? Like, you know, consider

1333
00:43:48,659 --> 00:43:50,500
their intentions may be bad, but that there

1334
00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:52,420
are people that believe that they can work

1335
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:54,420
through that system. And, the the point is

1336
00:43:54,420 --> 00:43:55,960
you come to an end.

1337
00:43:56,505 --> 00:43:57,864
I don't see how you can do that

1338
00:43:57,864 --> 00:43:59,545
without thinking at some level like the system

1339
00:43:59,545 --> 00:44:01,144
is inherently good, and I think that that's

1340
00:44:01,144 --> 00:44:02,585
been shown not to be the case. But,

1341
00:44:02,585 --> 00:44:04,505
you know, if there are people within it

1342
00:44:04,505 --> 00:44:06,380
that think that they can achieve something positive

1343
00:44:06,380 --> 00:44:08,139
through it. I disagree. But I think there

1344
00:44:08,139 --> 00:44:10,079
are people out there that are that that

1345
00:44:10,219 --> 00:44:12,059
we can reach with this message, you know,

1346
00:44:12,059 --> 00:44:13,784
that might change their opinion on that. And

1347
00:44:13,784 --> 00:44:15,304
just one last you pointed out the idea

1348
00:44:15,304 --> 00:44:16,984
of, like, the CBDC overlap, the same thing

1349
00:44:16,984 --> 00:44:18,505
we said with Palantir. The point is that

1350
00:44:18,505 --> 00:44:19,944
this is now going in a direction that

1351
00:44:19,944 --> 00:44:20,605
is becoming

1352
00:44:20,905 --> 00:44:23,199
privatized. Right? So as Whitney points out, that

1353
00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:26,000
Trump famously against CBDCs, but he's now working

1354
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,320
over you know, potentially overlapping with Jamie Dimon,

1355
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,175
Larry Fink. And they're all working on things

1356
00:44:30,175 --> 00:44:31,454
right now that are going in that exact

1357
00:44:31,454 --> 00:44:33,454
direction. You know? And so it's it's a

1358
00:44:33,454 --> 00:44:34,195
very easy

1359
00:44:34,974 --> 00:44:37,295
shell game with the partisan views. No. But

1360
00:44:37,295 --> 00:44:38,680
Trump said he didn't say that. That was

1361
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,519
just he just the radical left must have

1362
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:42,039
spread that rumor. He didn't say that he

1363
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:43,719
claims Right. We'll see what actually happens. Even

1364
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,960
though he's quoted in Bloomberg saying that. Right.

1365
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,945
Right. Well, as we were joking about before,

1366
00:44:47,945 --> 00:44:50,184
you know, you've got these weird overlaps, like,

1367
00:44:50,184 --> 00:44:50,684
where,

1368
00:44:52,105 --> 00:44:53,704
actually, on a different show, I said this.

1369
00:44:53,704 --> 00:44:56,030
But the point being that, like, Elon Musk

1370
00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:57,469
came out and said or was reported that

1371
00:44:57,469 --> 00:44:58,530
he was gonna give $45,000,000

1372
00:44:58,989 --> 00:45:00,610
a a month, I think, to Trump's campaign.

1373
00:45:00,829 --> 00:45:02,430
And then he was just recently asked about

1374
00:45:02,430 --> 00:45:03,630
it. He said, no. It's not true. It's

1375
00:45:03,630 --> 00:45:05,675
fake news. Trump recently publicly said it in

1376
00:45:05,675 --> 00:45:07,114
an open discussion where he said, hey, we

1377
00:45:07,114 --> 00:45:08,715
got the money from Elon. It's like- Yeah.

1378
00:45:08,715 --> 00:45:10,155
So, maybe Trump's reading the news too and

1379
00:45:10,155 --> 00:45:11,800
he thinks it's just funny that- Some fake

1380
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,960
news out there. Yeah. Right. It's always manipulated.

1381
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,400
And I wanna mention just one other brief

1382
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,840
note on the sum of the future because

1383
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,335
this is probably gonna be something that I'll

1384
00:45:18,414 --> 00:45:20,175
explore more in the future or just in

1385
00:45:20,175 --> 00:45:22,574
case anyone out there sees this name or

1386
00:45:22,574 --> 00:45:24,255
you see this name popping up. I mentioned

1387
00:45:24,255 --> 00:45:26,255
this, I just called it the Stimson Center

1388
00:45:26,255 --> 00:45:28,989
Connection because as I've been re researching the

1389
00:45:28,989 --> 00:45:31,069
summit of the future, I keep seeing this

1390
00:45:31,069 --> 00:45:32,929
name popping up as one of the organization

1391
00:45:33,069 --> 00:45:34,130
that's hosting, like,

1392
00:45:34,835 --> 00:45:38,355
online forums, webinars, etcetera, discussing it. And so

1393
00:45:38,355 --> 00:45:40,195
I did just a little look into their

1394
00:45:40,195 --> 00:45:42,515
background because once again, they just last week

1395
00:45:42,515 --> 00:45:45,250
held a an online an in person

1396
00:45:45,550 --> 00:45:48,269
meeting, but also was streamed online discussing the

1397
00:45:48,269 --> 00:45:50,429
sum of the future and particularly mentioning the

1398
00:45:50,429 --> 00:45:52,510
US position, and there were some interesting things

1399
00:45:52,510 --> 00:45:54,905
said there, but basically just supporting saying, hey.

1400
00:45:54,905 --> 00:45:56,664
The US is fully behind signing the back

1401
00:45:56,664 --> 00:45:59,304
for the future and the planetary emergency. Like,

1402
00:45:59,304 --> 00:46:01,545
so that that's the US is definitely advocating

1403
00:46:01,545 --> 00:46:03,309
for this. That's another thing. Mhmm. So it's

1404
00:46:03,309 --> 00:46:04,910
not just something I'm warning about that nobody's

1405
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:06,750
paying attention to. The US is pretty much

1406
00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:08,349
ready to go on board, and they're expecting

1407
00:46:08,349 --> 00:46:11,309
all 100 and, you know, 93, whatever, 92

1408
00:46:11,309 --> 00:46:13,614
member nations to sign it. But the Stemson

1409
00:46:13,614 --> 00:46:16,594
Center is they'd call themselves a nonpartisan, nonprofit

1410
00:46:16,655 --> 00:46:17,155
organization

1411
00:46:17,855 --> 00:46:21,234
focused on international peace, nuclear proliferation, water management,

1412
00:46:21,469 --> 00:46:24,269
etcetera. So all the climate crisis, etcetera, all

1413
00:46:24,269 --> 00:46:25,869
those sort of things, and they're just one

1414
00:46:25,869 --> 00:46:28,109
of these think tanks that puts out white

1415
00:46:28,109 --> 00:46:30,735
papers. They hold these organ these meetings in

1416
00:46:30,735 --> 00:46:31,715
person and online,

1417
00:46:32,255 --> 00:46:34,575
but it's named after an interesting guy, Henry

1418
00:46:34,575 --> 00:46:36,894
l Stimpson. He was this lawyer, politician. He

1419
00:46:36,894 --> 00:46:37,730
served as secretary

1420
00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:43,349
war under Taft, secretary of state under Hoover,

1421
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:45,730
and according to the National Park Service, he

1422
00:46:45,730 --> 00:46:47,775
had direct control of the Manhattan Project, which

1423
00:46:47,775 --> 00:46:50,674
was, of course, the US, nuclear weapons project.

1424
00:46:51,135 --> 00:46:54,114
And so, anyways, they they've have relationships

1425
00:46:54,780 --> 00:46:57,260
through grant funding from the Rockefeller Foundation, from

1426
00:46:57,260 --> 00:46:59,280
the Gates Foundation, not, you know, like,

1427
00:46:59,659 --> 00:47:01,260
I would say they're working hand in hand

1428
00:47:01,260 --> 00:47:03,764
every every year, but the Gates Foundation has

1429
00:47:03,764 --> 00:47:05,224
given them over us almost $1,000,000.

1430
00:47:05,764 --> 00:47:06,264
The,

1431
00:47:06,885 --> 00:47:09,204
Rockefeller Foundation giving them 100 of 1,000 of

1432
00:47:09,204 --> 00:47:11,304
dollars for the last few years since 2020.

1433
00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:13,559
So there's that connection, and that makes sense.

1434
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:16,219
That matters because we know both those organizations

1435
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:17,659
are involved in promoting,

1436
00:47:18,359 --> 00:47:20,894
various climate change narratives. The Gates Foundation funding

1437
00:47:20,894 --> 00:47:22,594
geoengineering and things like that.

1438
00:47:23,375 --> 00:47:23,875
So

1439
00:47:24,175 --> 00:47:25,934
it is this Stemson Center that is they're

1440
00:47:25,934 --> 00:47:26,755
doing, like,

1441
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:29,670
op ed pieces, virtual conferences. As I said,

1442
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:31,849
they just recently held this as US perspectives

1443
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:34,230
and priorities for the UN Summit of the

1444
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:34,730
Future.

1445
00:47:35,204 --> 00:47:37,785
And they had their, one of their ambassadors

1446
00:47:37,925 --> 00:47:39,684
there speaking and, you know, she, as I

1447
00:47:39,684 --> 00:47:43,605
mentioned, just supporting the planetary emergency declaration Mhmm.

1448
00:47:43,684 --> 00:47:46,530
Supporting calls for creating an emergency platform.

1449
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:49,070
And, that's, I think, something else to pay

1450
00:47:49,070 --> 00:47:51,150
attention to. But, yeah, that name, Stemson Center,

1451
00:47:51,150 --> 00:47:52,510
I think we're gonna see them more and

1452
00:47:52,510 --> 00:47:53,010
more.

1453
00:47:53,554 --> 00:47:55,714
I'm just continuing to dig into, you know,

1454
00:47:55,714 --> 00:47:56,214
who

1455
00:47:56,514 --> 00:47:58,755
who's involved in that organization. But just in

1456
00:47:58,755 --> 00:48:00,434
general, it's just another one of these bodies

1457
00:48:00,434 --> 00:48:02,529
that we should. If you see them associated

1458
00:48:02,529 --> 00:48:04,609
with certain things, you probably can start to

1459
00:48:04,609 --> 00:48:07,010
garner the kind of issues they're gonna be

1460
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:09,994
promoting and the propaganda or otherwise. Mhmm. I

1461
00:48:09,994 --> 00:48:11,355
I mean, it's it's just so many of

1462
00:48:11,355 --> 00:48:13,434
these, but, you know, just these think tanks

1463
00:48:13,434 --> 00:48:15,275
and groups and agencies we don't even know

1464
00:48:15,275 --> 00:48:17,195
exist. But what before we end up, one

1465
00:48:17,195 --> 00:48:18,394
one thing I wanted to ask you is

1466
00:48:18,394 --> 00:48:19,375
just about the platform.

1467
00:48:19,869 --> 00:48:21,869
You know, what does that mean exactly? Right?

1468
00:48:21,869 --> 00:48:23,550
And so, like, because, you know, because it's

1469
00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:26,110
the word itself seems almost deliberately confusing with

1470
00:48:26,110 --> 00:48:27,630
what like, are they talking about, like, an

1471
00:48:27,630 --> 00:48:30,315
online concept? Or so explain what that means

1472
00:48:30,315 --> 00:48:32,474
for people in regard to based on whatever

1473
00:48:32,474 --> 00:48:33,695
they claim is the planetary

1474
00:48:34,235 --> 00:48:36,795
poly crisis emergency, what would they then create

1475
00:48:36,795 --> 00:48:37,914
and and, you know, on the way out

1476
00:48:37,914 --> 00:48:39,950
here, what would that achieve? Yeah. So the

1477
00:48:39,950 --> 00:48:42,190
0 it it says the 0 draft version

1478
00:48:42,190 --> 00:48:43,309
of the pack for the future. Like I

1479
00:48:43,309 --> 00:48:44,989
said, they released that in March or so.

1480
00:48:44,989 --> 00:48:46,510
So this is just early version. I think

1481
00:48:46,510 --> 00:48:48,430
they've only released one more since this, but

1482
00:48:48,430 --> 00:48:50,675
it it talks about the emergency platform

1483
00:48:51,054 --> 00:48:52,655
that would be activated and this is the

1484
00:48:52,655 --> 00:48:55,135
exact, wording I was discussing earlier. In the

1485
00:48:55,135 --> 00:48:57,119
event of, quote, such a shock that has

1486
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,299
an impact on multiple regions of the world

1487
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:02,719
and would require a, quote, coherent, coordinated, and

1488
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:03,219
multidimensional

1489
00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:04,019
response.

1490
00:49:04,414 --> 00:49:06,255
Now, they claim that And that's the platform.

1491
00:49:06,255 --> 00:49:07,775
That's the response they're saying? So what do

1492
00:49:07,775 --> 00:49:08,694
they mean by a platform? So right here,

1493
00:49:08,694 --> 00:49:11,134
it says the emergency platform, quote, would not

1494
00:49:11,134 --> 00:49:13,250
be a standing institution or body. This is

1495
00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:16,210
what they claim. And that the, UN accountable

1496
00:49:16,210 --> 00:49:18,369
then. The UN claims the, quote, decision to

1497
00:49:18,369 --> 00:49:20,849
convene an emergency platform that would, in their

1498
00:49:20,849 --> 00:49:23,994
words, fully respect the sovereignty, territorial integrity, and

1499
00:49:23,994 --> 00:49:25,994
political independence of states. We swear. So it's

1500
00:49:25,994 --> 00:49:27,515
interesting they put that in there. Like, they

1501
00:49:27,515 --> 00:49:29,515
make it clear, like, that which feels like

1502
00:49:29,515 --> 00:49:31,269
a little bit of, like, we gotta put

1503
00:49:31,269 --> 00:49:32,010
that in there.

1504
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:32,869
Yeah. So,

1505
00:49:33,269 --> 00:49:34,710
yeah. So that's part of it. Now that

1506
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:36,789
I go into explaining how there's other organizations

1507
00:49:36,789 --> 00:49:38,764
funded by the Rockefeller Foundation, like the Climate

1508
00:49:38,764 --> 00:49:40,684
Governance Commission, who've been promoting this ID, of

1509
00:49:40,684 --> 00:49:42,684
course, the Club of Rome. But in another

1510
00:49:42,684 --> 00:49:44,925
area, they do get further into defining what

1511
00:49:44,925 --> 00:49:47,579
they mean by emergency platform. Mhmm. So,

1512
00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:51,179
the planetary they talk about a planetary emergency

1513
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,920
platform to rapidly to address rapidly accelerating consequences

1514
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:55,900
of climate change.

1515
00:49:56,275 --> 00:49:58,694
And again, this planetary emergency

1516
00:49:58,994 --> 00:50:00,914
goes back to the Club of Rome's planetary

1517
00:50:00,914 --> 00:50:02,914
emergency plan. So it's kind of like, I

1518
00:50:02,914 --> 00:50:04,514
guess, like, the name they're giving it's it's

1519
00:50:04,514 --> 00:50:05,714
weird because, yeah, it would I guess you

1520
00:50:05,714 --> 00:50:07,250
could say it's the response because they're claiming

1521
00:50:07,250 --> 00:50:08,769
it's not gonna be a standing institution or

1522
00:50:08,769 --> 00:50:11,030
a body, so not like a new organization

1523
00:50:11,170 --> 00:50:13,224
per se or an office or anything. It's

1524
00:50:13,224 --> 00:50:15,304
just an idea. It's a response. So And

1525
00:50:15,304 --> 00:50:16,505
this is kinda what I'm getting at. Is

1526
00:50:16,505 --> 00:50:18,344
it It's vague. You know? Well, okay. So

1527
00:50:18,344 --> 00:50:21,385
you're what they're describing is governmental action across

1528
00:50:21,385 --> 00:50:24,250
multiple nations. Right? So just because they're like,

1529
00:50:24,250 --> 00:50:26,750
we swear it's not, you know, for sovereignty.

1530
00:50:26,890 --> 00:50:28,090
Or, like, you know, it's almost like what

1531
00:50:28,090 --> 00:50:30,410
they're outlining is this is a is a

1532
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:30,910
multinational

1533
00:50:31,289 --> 00:50:33,295
governmental act, you know, agenda

1534
00:50:33,835 --> 00:50:35,835
or, you know, what you know, a body

1535
00:50:35,835 --> 00:50:37,434
is what it is. Right? And then it

1536
00:50:37,434 --> 00:50:39,755
would be like, but it's not a government.

1537
00:50:39,755 --> 00:50:41,434
Like, you you can't hold us accountable. You

1538
00:50:41,434 --> 00:50:42,949
know? Like, to me, it seems like this

1539
00:50:42,949 --> 00:50:45,530
wildly unaccountable thing that they're doing that basically

1540
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:47,030
the way they frame it makes it seem

1541
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:48,389
like you know, so what do you do?

1542
00:50:48,389 --> 00:50:50,275
You petition your own government about something that's

1543
00:50:50,275 --> 00:50:51,574
happening globally? You go to the UN?

1544
00:50:51,954 --> 00:50:52,146
Like, it seems intentionally obtuse or, you know,

1545
00:50:52,146 --> 00:50:52,181
undefined for that very reason. I got the

1546
00:50:52,181 --> 00:50:52,775
first way I read that.

1547
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,000
That is well, this is one of the

1548
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,739
major problems, in my view of the idea

1549
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,799
of of world government. We were all for

1550
00:51:04,799 --> 00:51:06,480
1. I wish that we were in a

1551
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,159
world where the idea that we could bring

1552
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:10,304
all nations together and have some, like, peaceful

1553
00:51:10,304 --> 00:51:11,985
things and take humanity to, you know, as

1554
00:51:11,985 --> 00:51:14,065
far as we can go. And and and

1555
00:51:14,065 --> 00:51:15,344
I wish that was our world, and I

1556
00:51:15,344 --> 00:51:17,449
hope and and that we'll get there. But

1557
00:51:17,449 --> 00:51:19,050
for the moment, you're not gonna throw China,

1558
00:51:19,050 --> 00:51:21,210
Russia, the United States, etcetera, into some, like,

1559
00:51:21,210 --> 00:51:23,130
giant blender of world government and get out

1560
00:51:23,130 --> 00:51:26,090
a peaceful, like Right. You know, representative democracy

1561
00:51:26,090 --> 00:51:28,315
where we can trust that the UN based

1562
00:51:28,315 --> 00:51:30,394
in New York City or Switzerland or somewhere

1563
00:51:30,394 --> 00:51:32,714
else, like, where these bodies are typically based

1564
00:51:32,875 --> 00:51:33,375
Mhmm.

1565
00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:36,210
Are then gonna care about the needs of

1566
00:51:36,210 --> 00:51:37,269
every single nation

1567
00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:39,650
and understand it. No. The idea is to

1568
00:51:39,650 --> 00:51:41,250
use, I mean, at least in the technocratic

1569
00:51:41,250 --> 00:51:42,795
vision, to micromanage

1570
00:51:43,094 --> 00:51:45,414
the resources available to each area and, of

1571
00:51:45,414 --> 00:51:47,594
course, digitize it in many ways. So

1572
00:51:48,135 --> 00:51:51,355
it's problematic for for multiple region reasons.

1573
00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:54,159
Ultimately, you know, we just gotta get people

1574
00:51:54,159 --> 00:51:56,719
to start realizing that the UN is not

1575
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,239
something we can trust. The a lot of

1576
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,295
people have woken up to the World Economic

1577
00:52:00,295 --> 00:52:02,135
Forum. Right. The UN is tied to that,

1578
00:52:02,135 --> 00:52:04,375
and it's not some right wing position to

1579
00:52:04,375 --> 00:52:06,295
question that to question that. And I I

1580
00:52:06,295 --> 00:52:08,219
I do I am glad that, like, there

1581
00:52:08,219 --> 00:52:09,280
are some people, like,

1582
00:52:09,659 --> 00:52:11,339
I don't know whether to fully trust her

1583
00:52:11,339 --> 00:52:12,260
or not, and I this is one of

1584
00:52:12,260 --> 00:52:14,619
the reasons I wanna interview her, Vandana Shiva.

1585
00:52:14,619 --> 00:52:15,900
She says a lot of great things, though,

1586
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:18,164
in terms of speaking out against this. Bill

1587
00:52:18,164 --> 00:52:19,065
Gates and Geoengineering

1588
00:52:19,844 --> 00:52:22,105
and Monsanto, of course, and things like that.

1589
00:52:22,164 --> 00:52:23,925
Now there are some older reports you can

1590
00:52:23,925 --> 00:52:25,349
find that say that she was a member

1591
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:26,869
of the club of Rome. Mhmm. Now that

1592
00:52:26,869 --> 00:52:28,869
doesn't rule her out automatically as somebody who's

1593
00:52:28,869 --> 00:52:30,069
doing good work, but I would like to

1594
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:31,591
ask her, like, is that a membership that

1595
00:52:31,591 --> 00:52:33,323
still exists? Could you talk to us about

1596
00:52:33,539 --> 00:52:35,704
to us about that? Why you change realize

1597
00:52:35,704 --> 00:52:37,436
there's a problem? Yeah. Maybe. Exactly. Maybe she's

1598
00:52:37,436 --> 00:52:39,167
not anymore, and she had a a different

1599
00:52:39,167 --> 00:52:40,033
experience. But so,

1600
00:52:40,809 --> 00:52:42,730
we we just need to realize that there

1601
00:52:42,730 --> 00:52:45,050
are ways to help our world and to

1602
00:52:45,050 --> 00:52:47,449
improve the world, specifically the environment and and

1603
00:52:47,449 --> 00:52:49,545
all the different things that we're dealing with

1604
00:52:49,704 --> 00:52:51,704
that don't have to involve giving up our

1605
00:52:51,704 --> 00:52:53,944
individual liberty and to recognize for one that

1606
00:52:53,944 --> 00:52:55,224
that is what's on the plate. Like, they're

1607
00:52:55,224 --> 00:52:56,664
not gonna they're not gonna come out and

1608
00:52:56,664 --> 00:52:59,190
explicitly say that. But what they're talking about

1609
00:52:59,190 --> 00:53:00,409
starts to create more

1610
00:53:00,710 --> 00:53:02,329
power for this international

1611
00:53:02,789 --> 00:53:03,289
unelected

1612
00:53:03,989 --> 00:53:06,010
unelected, totally unelected body,

1613
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:09,405
to take steps that will influence our lives

1614
00:53:09,405 --> 00:53:11,005
and that, you know, whether that's what's on

1615
00:53:11,005 --> 00:53:12,065
your plate or,

1616
00:53:12,605 --> 00:53:14,525
you know, again, what you how often you

1617
00:53:14,525 --> 00:53:16,625
could travel, where you can drive, etcetera.

1618
00:53:16,929 --> 00:53:19,170
And in the form of new taxation systems.

1619
00:53:19,170 --> 00:53:21,010
I think that the further away government is,

1620
00:53:21,010 --> 00:53:22,449
the less responsive it's gonna be. You know,

1621
00:53:22,449 --> 00:53:23,570
if you have if you think you have

1622
00:53:23,570 --> 00:53:27,005
trouble right now getting representation at Washington DC

1623
00:53:27,005 --> 00:53:29,805
or wherever your capital is, then imagine that

1624
00:53:29,805 --> 00:53:32,045
when it's just, you know, even more thousands

1625
00:53:32,045 --> 00:53:34,190
of miles away. Ask any European country right

1626
00:53:34,190 --> 00:53:35,550
now how that's working with the EU. With

1627
00:53:35,550 --> 00:53:37,789
the with the Exactly. People don't like feeling

1628
00:53:37,789 --> 00:53:39,309
like that, so imagine that on even more

1629
00:53:39,309 --> 00:53:40,369
of a global scale,

1630
00:53:40,750 --> 00:53:42,210
national scale. And,

1631
00:53:42,829 --> 00:53:44,175
you know, that's, I think, what it this

1632
00:53:44,175 --> 00:53:46,414
is really working towards. This is why they're

1633
00:53:46,414 --> 00:53:48,815
using the climate crisis, and they will use

1634
00:53:48,815 --> 00:53:49,715
any other crisis,

1635
00:53:51,219 --> 00:53:51,719
cyber,

1636
00:53:52,260 --> 00:53:53,960
panic, cyber attack, whatever.

1637
00:53:54,420 --> 00:53:56,500
It is to try to grab more of

1638
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:58,355
that power, and this is what why these

1639
00:53:58,355 --> 00:54:00,375
types of things, this discussion of an emergency

1640
00:54:00,434 --> 00:54:00,934
platform,

1641
00:54:01,235 --> 00:54:03,394
whether it's a standing institution or just some

1642
00:54:03,394 --> 00:54:05,795
declaration and waiting to be ready to pull

1643
00:54:05,795 --> 00:54:07,539
out as soon as they describe as their

1644
00:54:07,539 --> 00:54:08,039
thing

1645
00:54:08,339 --> 00:54:10,420
just hits multiple regions of the world. Right.

1646
00:54:10,420 --> 00:54:12,019
That's pretty broad. And then next thing you

1647
00:54:12,019 --> 00:54:13,539
know, we're in a forever emergency, which is

1648
00:54:13,539 --> 00:54:14,900
already kind of what's going on. Yeah. On

1649
00:54:14,900 --> 00:54:16,454
the global scale, like, I think, like, a

1650
00:54:16,454 --> 00:54:18,775
worldwide scale. Like, the US has been in

1651
00:54:18,775 --> 00:54:21,574
emergency since 911 and, you know, even before

1652
00:54:21,574 --> 00:54:24,500
that, but definitely since 911. Ongoing emergency state.

1653
00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:26,179
And so because of that, as many people

1654
00:54:26,179 --> 00:54:27,860
might not be aware, that does in those

1655
00:54:27,860 --> 00:54:29,619
cases, the government says, well, it's an emergency,

1656
00:54:29,619 --> 00:54:31,059
so we can do extra things. Yes. We

1657
00:54:31,059 --> 00:54:32,840
don't get to do it peacetime or nonemergency.

1658
00:54:33,974 --> 00:54:35,355
Exactly. Go around the constitution.

1659
00:54:35,735 --> 00:54:37,914
So imagine that if it's a planetary emergency,

1660
00:54:38,295 --> 00:54:40,375
worldwide emergency, and they're like, well, because of

1661
00:54:40,375 --> 00:54:42,070
that, we get to do x, y, and

1662
00:54:42,070 --> 00:54:43,430
z that we didn't wouldn't be able to

1663
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:45,670
do in normal peacetime and that we promise

1664
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:46,950
we'll get back to one day in the

1665
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:49,030
future. Right. Right. Yeah. And the last thing

1666
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:50,070
I'll leave it on that is that, you

1667
00:54:50,070 --> 00:54:52,494
know, we're talking about the idea of individuals

1668
00:54:52,635 --> 00:54:54,795
and individual sovereignty or, you know, as a

1669
00:54:54,795 --> 00:54:56,554
nation, but, you know, your own individual rights

1670
00:54:56,554 --> 00:54:57,295
being circumvented.

1671
00:54:57,730 --> 00:54:59,090
You think about this on a global scale.

1672
00:54:59,090 --> 00:55:00,849
What's the first thing you're gonna see is

1673
00:55:00,849 --> 00:55:03,329
that, well, this is a global body except

1674
00:55:03,329 --> 00:55:05,010
for that person, that country, and these groups

1675
00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:06,704
because they're terrorists or they don't they don't

1676
00:55:06,704 --> 00:55:08,899
agree. We don't they think this you know,

1677
00:55:08,899 --> 00:55:10,655
that's what will always happen is they essentially

1678
00:55:10,655 --> 00:55:12,412
create what they call the international community, which

1679
00:55:12,412 --> 00:55:14,130
is really the ones that are in line

1680
00:55:14,130 --> 00:55:15,650
with their agenda and the rest get boxed

1681
00:55:15,650 --> 00:55:17,170
out. And so right out of the gate,

1682
00:55:17,170 --> 00:55:18,609
I promise you, as you highlight China or

1683
00:55:18,609 --> 00:55:20,050
Russia, it's like, wait. So are they the

1684
00:55:20,050 --> 00:55:21,706
biggest threat for our democracy, but we're gonna

1685
00:55:21,706 --> 00:55:23,391
work to save the planet? Like, how does

1686
00:55:23,391 --> 00:55:25,286
that work? You know? It's it's there's so

1687
00:55:25,286 --> 00:55:26,972
much overlap and dishonesty in all of this.

1688
00:55:26,972 --> 00:55:28,656
That's why your work is so important here

1689
00:55:28,656 --> 00:55:30,429
is that really beginning to open this door

1690
00:55:30,429 --> 00:55:32,030
for people. And I know there was a

1691
00:55:32,030 --> 00:55:33,150
bunch of other things we were gonna get

1692
00:55:33,150 --> 00:55:34,510
into on the way out. Did you wanna

1693
00:55:34,510 --> 00:55:36,190
shout anything out before we, we wrap for

1694
00:55:36,349 --> 00:55:38,335
today? I I would just well, thanks for,

1695
00:55:38,335 --> 00:55:39,775
you know, first, let's you know, for the

1696
00:55:39,775 --> 00:55:42,094
conversation. I'm we're having this in person again.

1697
00:55:42,094 --> 00:55:44,335
And, yeah, it's I hope everybody's enjoyed it,

1698
00:55:44,335 --> 00:55:45,694
and I hope you will check out the

1699
00:55:45,694 --> 00:55:47,710
summit of the future and learn more about

1700
00:55:47,710 --> 00:55:49,550
it. Spread the words, whether that's printing out

1701
00:55:49,550 --> 00:55:52,269
flyers, that's sharing my articles, sharing this interview

1702
00:55:52,269 --> 00:55:54,670
and this discussion and my other previous discussions

1703
00:55:54,670 --> 00:55:55,809
with Ryan on this.

1704
00:55:56,364 --> 00:55:57,885
Whatever you can do, I think it does

1705
00:55:57,885 --> 00:55:59,565
matter. I think it does have an impact,

1706
00:55:59,565 --> 00:56:01,804
and just like we saw with the awareness

1707
00:56:01,804 --> 00:56:04,304
around the pandemic agreement, I think that's definitely

1708
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:05,880
now it's not to say, of course, that

1709
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,280
that's disappeared by any means at all, but

1710
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:09,960
it seems like it was delayed in the

1711
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,960
big moment that people are building to. Mhmm.

1712
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,065
And I would say that's that's got to

1713
00:56:14,305 --> 00:56:16,065
the the public pressure has have had to

1714
00:56:16,065 --> 00:56:18,305
play a role to some degree because people

1715
00:56:18,305 --> 00:56:19,824
were talking about it all over the world

1716
00:56:19,824 --> 00:56:21,525
in different countries, different languages,

1717
00:56:22,019 --> 00:56:24,019
and pushing as far as Japan and other

1718
00:56:24,019 --> 00:56:26,260
words, like, other places, protests and and Right.

1719
00:56:26,339 --> 00:56:28,260
Push back in different ways. So I think

1720
00:56:28,260 --> 00:56:29,699
that's a great thing to see. And if

1721
00:56:29,699 --> 00:56:31,445
we could get something similar, some type of

1722
00:56:31,445 --> 00:56:33,525
other aware similar awareness with the summit of

1723
00:56:33,525 --> 00:56:36,005
the future, that'll be a really great thing,

1724
00:56:36,005 --> 00:56:37,844
and I'm grateful to see that some of

1725
00:56:37,844 --> 00:56:39,605
my articles I've written about have been translated

1726
00:56:39,605 --> 00:56:40,405
to Spanish and,

1727
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:42,650
some other things like that. So

1728
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:44,469
getting the word out, I think, on that

1729
00:56:44,469 --> 00:56:46,550
does matter. Though, I did wanna mention that

1730
00:56:46,550 --> 00:56:48,949
I put out another article in my probably

1731
00:56:48,949 --> 00:56:50,704
for now, there might be a part 4

1732
00:56:50,704 --> 00:56:52,385
in the future, but probably for now, it's,

1733
00:56:52,545 --> 00:56:54,065
gonna be the last one in this Bethany

1734
00:56:54,065 --> 00:56:56,784
Christian Services series Mhmm. Which I did about

1735
00:56:56,784 --> 00:56:57,025
the,

1736
00:56:57,664 --> 00:57:00,010
adoption firm, Bethany Christian Services.

1737
00:57:00,630 --> 00:57:02,469
And, in the first two, it was more

1738
00:57:02,469 --> 00:57:05,349
specifically about the organization exploring their history and

1739
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:07,110
their funding and who how they're kind of

1740
00:57:07,110 --> 00:57:09,355
related to this broader movement that I wasn't

1741
00:57:09,355 --> 00:57:10,894
even really aware of it, but, essentially,

1742
00:57:11,515 --> 00:57:13,775
very wealthy event, Christian evangelical

1743
00:57:14,555 --> 00:57:15,055
philanthropists

1744
00:57:15,434 --> 00:57:16,255
who are funding,

1745
00:57:16,555 --> 00:57:17,980
adoption firms and,

1746
00:57:18,619 --> 00:57:20,460
like, at the same time, like, funding anti

1747
00:57:20,460 --> 00:57:23,739
abortion legislation and funding adoption firms and trying

1748
00:57:23,739 --> 00:57:25,579
to put their, I guess, investments, their money

1749
00:57:25,579 --> 00:57:26,400
towards that

1750
00:57:26,744 --> 00:57:28,984
and the consequences of that, and how it's

1751
00:57:28,984 --> 00:57:29,724
not all

1752
00:57:30,184 --> 00:57:32,184
lovely and beautiful like most people would like

1753
00:57:32,184 --> 00:57:33,989
to believe that, you know, the case of

1754
00:57:34,469 --> 00:57:37,269
mother can't have baby, so they need choose

1755
00:57:37,269 --> 00:57:38,949
to adopt, and they find a baby that

1756
00:57:38,949 --> 00:57:40,630
came from a home that was unhappy or

1757
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:42,230
parents died or something, and then they get

1758
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:43,974
a better life and, you know, everything's good.

1759
00:57:44,454 --> 00:57:46,295
That appears to be the minority of the

1760
00:57:46,295 --> 00:57:48,934
cases from what I've learned, unfortunately. Yeah. And

1761
00:57:48,934 --> 00:57:50,375
so this is the we've looked at the

1762
00:57:50,375 --> 00:57:52,055
history of Bethany Christian Services in the first

1763
00:57:52,055 --> 00:57:53,829
one. The second series, we'd we talked to

1764
00:57:53,989 --> 00:57:55,750
I talked to 4 different families, 3 who

1765
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:56,650
went on the record,

1766
00:57:57,429 --> 00:58:00,170
about their direct experience with Bethany Christian Services,

1767
00:58:00,230 --> 00:58:02,614
and we found court records and court documents

1768
00:58:02,614 --> 00:58:05,255
from California and elsewhere documenting the cases of

1769
00:58:05,255 --> 00:58:07,034
what they're talking about of

1770
00:58:07,494 --> 00:58:07,994
manipulation,

1771
00:58:08,295 --> 00:58:11,050
lying to parents about these so called open

1772
00:58:11,050 --> 00:58:11,550
adoptions,

1773
00:58:12,489 --> 00:58:14,329
just all sorts of things. And so that

1774
00:58:14,329 --> 00:58:16,250
was the second piece, and that's really important.

1775
00:58:16,250 --> 00:58:17,664
To me, it felt good because this is

1776
00:58:17,664 --> 00:58:19,985
directly us sharing the stories of these women.

1777
00:58:19,985 --> 00:58:21,425
Right. And this is not something that most

1778
00:58:21,425 --> 00:58:23,264
people have or I wasn't aware about of

1779
00:58:23,264 --> 00:58:25,369
this before. I was made aware of these,

1780
00:58:25,690 --> 00:58:27,150
information from a listener,

1781
00:58:27,530 --> 00:58:29,450
who sent me this way and and told

1782
00:58:29,450 --> 00:58:30,510
me about their story.

1783
00:58:31,210 --> 00:58:33,175
And it's a whole different area of research

1784
00:58:33,175 --> 00:58:34,315
you know, that you could kind of broadly

1785
00:58:34,375 --> 00:58:35,755
term adoption truth.

1786
00:58:36,135 --> 00:58:38,054
And so for this third article, I wanted

1787
00:58:38,054 --> 00:58:38,715
to show,

1788
00:58:39,494 --> 00:58:41,414
the a couple of the organizations that have

1789
00:58:41,414 --> 00:58:42,829
been formed that are actually trying to do

1790
00:58:42,829 --> 00:58:44,430
the good work of helping people out, which

1791
00:58:44,430 --> 00:58:46,030
I think is an important story to highlight

1792
00:58:46,030 --> 00:58:48,110
the solutions. But, also, of course, they are

1793
00:58:48,110 --> 00:58:50,190
people who have suffered from the adoption industry

1794
00:58:50,190 --> 00:58:51,804
themselves, and that's why they chose to get

1795
00:58:51,804 --> 00:58:53,724
involved and help other people. And then, also,

1796
00:58:53,724 --> 00:58:54,704
I look at the,

1797
00:58:55,644 --> 00:58:59,105
international adoption scene, specifically the Korean adoption industry,

1798
00:58:59,619 --> 00:59:01,619
and that is a whole another story that

1799
00:59:01,619 --> 00:59:03,059
I I just started to touch into. And

1800
00:59:03,059 --> 00:59:04,259
so if I do a part 4 in

1801
00:59:04,259 --> 00:59:05,539
the future, it's gonna be focused on the

1802
00:59:05,619 --> 00:59:06,519
more of the international,

1803
00:59:07,375 --> 00:59:10,014
Korean, Ukraine. It's I mean, there's Africa, other

1804
00:59:10,014 --> 00:59:12,574
international adoption scene. But this one was important

1805
00:59:12,574 --> 00:59:15,234
because the group Saving Our Sisters and the

1806
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:16,139
adoption

1807
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:17,739
truth, they have

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00:59:18,039 --> 00:59:19,480
a little let me see if I remember.

1809
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,400
I wanna say it right. The adoption, truth,

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00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:21,900
and

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00:59:22,824 --> 00:59:23,324
transparency

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00:59:23,864 --> 00:59:24,364
network,

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00:59:24,984 --> 00:59:27,864
information worldwide network. They they do the adoption,

1814
00:59:27,864 --> 00:59:30,349
truth, and transparency worldwide information network. They do

1815
00:59:30,469 --> 00:59:32,469
both do great work, and one is Janine

1816
00:59:32,469 --> 00:59:34,469
Vance and then Renee Gallen and her partner

1817
00:59:34,469 --> 00:59:37,670
there. They're providing resources and information for parents

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00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:40,375
who, for whatever reason, may be considering adoption

1819
00:59:40,375 --> 00:59:41,194
as an option,

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00:59:41,734 --> 00:59:43,014
and not to push them to any other

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00:59:43,014 --> 00:59:45,335
adoption necessarily other than trying to keep families

1822
00:59:45,335 --> 00:59:47,619
together. That's their main kind of thing. And

1823
00:59:47,619 --> 00:59:50,119
because as I reported in the previous pieces,

1824
00:59:50,179 --> 00:59:53,159
Bethany Christian Services has partnerships with these hospitals.

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00:59:53,539 --> 00:59:55,299
So if a mother expresses some doubt about

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00:59:55,299 --> 00:59:56,924
wanting to have a baby, whether it's like,

1827
00:59:56,924 --> 00:59:58,164
I think I wanna have an,

1828
00:59:58,605 --> 01:00:00,864
adoption or I'm thinking of abortion or whatever,

1829
01:00:01,085 --> 01:00:03,005
Bethany's right there to say, here, learn about

1830
01:00:03,005 --> 01:00:05,190
our organizations, then immediately starts to become kind

1831
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:07,390
of coercive and, like, pushing them, saying, hey.

1832
01:00:07,390 --> 01:00:09,150
We've got family ready. The family starts showing

1833
01:00:09,150 --> 01:00:11,630
up and just different things. And often to

1834
01:00:11,630 --> 01:00:13,795
to not always the case, but often to

1835
01:00:13,954 --> 01:00:15,574
very young women who are

1836
01:00:16,594 --> 01:00:17,335
low income,

1837
01:00:17,635 --> 01:00:20,355
no support network, maybe have drug issues or

1838
01:00:20,355 --> 01:00:22,369
mental health issues, people who are being manipulated

1839
01:00:22,610 --> 01:00:24,210
in some cases. And and as I show

1840
01:00:24,210 --> 01:00:25,809
in this and through the stories that we've

1841
01:00:25,809 --> 01:00:28,210
learned here, particularly in Korea, that this is

1842
01:00:28,210 --> 01:00:29,269
essentially legalized

1843
01:00:29,815 --> 01:00:31,655
child trafficking in many cases. And I say

1844
01:00:31,655 --> 01:00:32,554
legalized because

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01:00:32,855 --> 01:00:33,594
they technically

1846
01:00:34,295 --> 01:00:36,394
have, through their system they've created,

1847
01:00:36,750 --> 01:00:38,589
have the backing of the government the local

1848
01:00:38,589 --> 01:00:40,429
governments, whether it's in Korea or the United

1849
01:00:40,429 --> 01:00:42,589
States or elsewhere. It's like a post World

1850
01:00:42,589 --> 01:00:44,750
War 2 network kind of settlement. Right? Yeah.

1851
01:00:44,750 --> 01:00:46,335
Exactly. And so, that's one of the the

1852
01:00:46,335 --> 01:00:47,394
women I recently

1853
01:00:47,695 --> 01:00:50,655
interviewed is, journalist, Catherine Joyce, and she's the

1854
01:00:50,655 --> 01:00:52,894
author of Child Catchers. And I quote her

1855
01:00:52,894 --> 01:00:54,494
in this piece where she's talking about that,

1856
01:00:54,494 --> 01:00:56,339
and it was called the the baby scoop

1857
01:00:56,339 --> 01:00:58,739
era post World War 2. And in in

1858
01:00:58,739 --> 01:01:01,159
the Korean situation, it was post Korean War.

1859
01:01:01,299 --> 01:01:03,400
Lots of these, Korean, orphans

1860
01:01:03,779 --> 01:01:05,355
that were there. And then

1861
01:01:05,894 --> 01:01:09,494
these different, mostly Christian, evangelical organizations, stepped in,

1862
01:01:09,494 --> 01:01:11,655
and this infrastructure and this sort of model

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01:01:11,655 --> 01:01:13,909
was created at largely in Korea and then

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01:01:13,909 --> 01:01:15,369
exported out to other places

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01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:16,250
of,

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01:01:16,550 --> 01:01:17,190
you know, just,

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01:01:17,989 --> 01:01:18,489
commodifying,

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01:01:19,269 --> 01:01:21,605
and this these babies. And so now it's

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01:01:21,605 --> 01:01:22,264
a $1,000,000,000

1870
01:01:22,565 --> 01:01:24,565
industry. Like, you know, 1,000,000,000 of dollars a

1871
01:01:24,565 --> 01:01:25,625
year is made through,

1872
01:01:26,324 --> 01:01:29,364
adoption and in some cases, outright lying to

1873
01:01:29,364 --> 01:01:32,119
parents, like both the parents of the let's

1874
01:01:32,119 --> 01:01:33,960
say, the parents that are around, but maybe

1875
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:34,619
they're not,

1876
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:37,079
rich by US standards, but they still have

1877
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:37,445
a house

1878
01:01:39,445 --> 01:01:39,503
and their parents, you know, they're there. There's

1879
01:01:39,503 --> 01:01:40,265
love, all that stuff. Mhmm.

1880
01:01:40,565 --> 01:01:43,305
And in some cases, Bethany and other organizations,

1881
01:01:43,364 --> 01:01:45,364
there's also the Holt adoption firm that I've

1882
01:01:45,364 --> 01:01:46,260
learned more about

1883
01:01:46,579 --> 01:01:48,820
that will go there and, just outright lie

1884
01:01:48,820 --> 01:01:50,099
to parents, say that they're going to the

1885
01:01:50,099 --> 01:01:51,860
US for some sort of, like, schooling, but

1886
01:01:51,860 --> 01:01:53,480
then essentially take them and then

1887
01:01:53,944 --> 01:01:56,184
sell them to another family that's adopting them

1888
01:01:56,184 --> 01:01:57,784
and was told that their parents were killed

1889
01:01:57,784 --> 01:01:59,385
or something like that. And then later in

1890
01:01:59,385 --> 01:02:01,219
life, the child starts to research and then

1891
01:02:01,219 --> 01:02:02,980
comes I mean, these things are happening and

1892
01:02:02,980 --> 01:02:05,059
it's not uncommon at all based on what

1893
01:02:05,059 --> 01:02:06,659
I've found and so And the lie of

1894
01:02:06,659 --> 01:02:08,659
open adoption and that's one of the hardest

1895
01:02:08,659 --> 01:02:10,420
parts of this is these parents being promised

1896
01:02:10,420 --> 01:02:12,635
they're like, they were reluctant, but they give

1897
01:02:12,635 --> 01:02:13,994
in because it might be better for them.

1898
01:02:13,994 --> 01:02:15,114
At least I get to see them, and

1899
01:02:15,114 --> 01:02:16,394
then that that doesn't sound to be the

1900
01:02:16,394 --> 01:02:18,074
case. They they often think that as I

1901
01:02:18,074 --> 01:02:19,630
reported as well and as Catherine Joyce told

1902
01:02:19,630 --> 01:02:22,029
me too, that sometimes it's women who are

1903
01:02:22,029 --> 01:02:24,269
just as short of, like, a $500 bill

1904
01:02:24,269 --> 01:02:26,109
or something. Mhmm. The way you know, it

1905
01:02:26,190 --> 01:02:28,664
they're going through a tough time financially, economically,

1906
01:02:28,804 --> 01:02:30,565
which, you know, can happen even after you

1907
01:02:30,565 --> 01:02:32,164
have a child, but you make ends meet.

1908
01:02:32,164 --> 01:02:34,164
You you make things work. Right? But in

1909
01:02:34,164 --> 01:02:36,159
that tough space, like you said, they might

1910
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:38,179
reluctantly choose to go through adoption

1911
01:02:39,679 --> 01:02:41,679
and mainly with the impression that they will

1912
01:02:41,679 --> 01:02:43,519
be getting letters and they'll be getting updates

1913
01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:45,654
and they'll be be in their child's life.

1914
01:02:45,795 --> 01:02:47,795
And then that door being closed really quickly

1915
01:02:47,795 --> 01:02:50,674
either by the adoption, the new the the

1916
01:02:50,674 --> 01:02:54,280
adoptive family or Bethany themselves after making all

1917
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,260
these promises. So it's really, you know, heartbreaking

1918
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,239
situations here. And so just to wrap this

1919
01:02:59,239 --> 01:03:00,805
up, the the final thing I'll mention is

1920
01:03:00,805 --> 01:03:02,744
the Korean situation is is

1921
01:03:03,204 --> 01:03:05,684
massive. I mean, it's now making mainstream news,

1922
01:03:05,684 --> 01:03:06,184
thankfully,

1923
01:03:06,724 --> 01:03:09,670
in Australia because there are Koreans or South

1924
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:12,550
Korean babies were sent to Australia, of course,

1925
01:03:12,550 --> 01:03:14,630
the Western world, you know, the UK, Canada,

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01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:15,690
the US, Australia.

1927
01:03:16,804 --> 01:03:18,885
They were sent many other places post World

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01:03:18,885 --> 01:03:19,545
War 2,

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01:03:19,844 --> 01:03:20,344
and

1930
01:03:20,885 --> 01:03:22,804
many of them thought that their families were

1931
01:03:22,804 --> 01:03:25,125
killed and some were legitimately orphans, but many

1932
01:03:25,125 --> 01:03:27,469
of them did have families and parents. And,

1933
01:03:27,789 --> 01:03:29,789
and and the interesting case is that Janine

1934
01:03:29,789 --> 01:03:31,630
Vance, who's one of the Vance twins, her

1935
01:03:31,630 --> 01:03:33,969
and her sister were were in this situation

1936
01:03:34,305 --> 01:03:35,825
When they went back to Korea for this,

1937
01:03:35,825 --> 01:03:37,845
like, anniversary for Korean adoptees,

1938
01:03:38,465 --> 01:03:39,684
she said that she saw,

1939
01:03:40,704 --> 01:03:42,164
other, like, in the street

1940
01:03:42,519 --> 01:03:44,839
looking for answers, trying to search for his

1941
01:03:44,839 --> 01:03:46,920
daughter who he, you know, had no idea

1942
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,359
where she was at, and she'd been adopted

1943
01:03:48,359 --> 01:03:49,719
out. And this kind of led her on

1944
01:03:49,719 --> 01:03:51,480
the journey of investigating this whole thing. So

1945
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,465
it's just this really big thing that in

1946
01:03:53,465 --> 01:03:55,625
some ways, thankfully, there seems to be getting

1947
01:03:55,625 --> 01:03:58,184
traction. Like, they're sending they're working with dozens

1948
01:03:58,184 --> 01:03:59,885
of organizations to send this

1949
01:04:00,210 --> 01:04:02,369
special request for the Korean government to investigate

1950
01:04:02,369 --> 01:04:04,630
this. They have a truth and reconciliation commission

1951
01:04:04,769 --> 01:04:05,829
to investigate Korean

1952
01:04:06,210 --> 01:04:08,849
atrocities throughout history, particularly And push up and

1953
01:04:08,849 --> 01:04:10,845
push up the network. Right? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

1954
01:04:10,845 --> 01:04:12,364
And so, you know, it it there is

1955
01:04:12,364 --> 01:04:13,585
some awareness building.

1956
01:04:13,965 --> 01:04:15,244
But for the most part, you know, when

1957
01:04:15,244 --> 01:04:17,085
I talked to Janine and talked to some

1958
01:04:17,085 --> 01:04:19,105
of these other women, the mothers and Renee,

1959
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:21,400
it's it's that there's just a huge lack

1960
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,640
of education, that most people have a completely

1961
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,000
different idea of what they think is going

1962
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,320
on in the adoption industry. But, unfortunately, much

1963
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,180
like we've learned with things like CPS,

1964
01:04:29,784 --> 01:04:30,605
foster care,

1965
01:04:31,144 --> 01:04:32,525
one of my next big investigations

1966
01:04:33,144 --> 01:04:35,724
is sort of tangentially related, and that's looking

1967
01:04:35,944 --> 01:04:37,660
at these some folks that might have heard

1968
01:04:37,660 --> 01:04:39,579
about them recently through some documentaries that came

1969
01:04:39,579 --> 01:04:42,380
out, these WASP systems, these student program systems

1970
01:04:42,380 --> 01:04:44,380
that Mhmm. Through doctor Phil and other shows

1971
01:04:44,380 --> 01:04:45,954
like that where they take these kids, like,

1972
01:04:45,954 --> 01:04:47,554
literally strip them away and take them to

1973
01:04:47,554 --> 01:04:49,795
these crazy schools with abuse going on. There's

1974
01:04:49,795 --> 01:04:51,474
just so many different systems like that that

1975
01:04:51,474 --> 01:04:52,775
people think are

1976
01:04:53,289 --> 01:04:54,429
one thing in reality,

1977
01:04:54,730 --> 01:04:55,550
child rehabilitation

1978
01:04:55,849 --> 01:04:57,849
for tough kids or stuff like that, or

1979
01:04:57,849 --> 01:05:00,250
great adoption agencies or foster care for people

1980
01:05:00,250 --> 01:05:01,954
who are need to be their child protector

1981
01:05:01,954 --> 01:05:04,035
services when parents are at, you know, are

1982
01:05:04,035 --> 01:05:06,675
abusive and stuff. But, unfortunately, these systems are

1983
01:05:06,675 --> 01:05:07,894
manipulated, corrupted.

1984
01:05:08,195 --> 01:05:10,114
Right for abuse. They're imperfect, of course. Not

1985
01:05:10,114 --> 01:05:11,460
to say there's no good people in there,

1986
01:05:11,539 --> 01:05:13,539
but it's definitely more going on. And and

1987
01:05:13,539 --> 01:05:15,139
so my goal with this whole series has

1988
01:05:15,139 --> 01:05:16,980
been to just highlight it because I was

1989
01:05:16,980 --> 01:05:18,839
not aware of this until, again, a

1990
01:05:19,295 --> 01:05:20,894
reader reached out to me. So thanks again,

1991
01:05:20,894 --> 01:05:22,494
of course, to everybody who always sends, you

1992
01:05:22,494 --> 01:05:24,255
know, ideas and tips and things like that

1993
01:05:24,255 --> 01:05:26,414
because sometimes we don't see stories that are

1994
01:05:26,414 --> 01:05:27,860
going on and Right. There's just so much

1995
01:05:27,860 --> 01:05:30,260
going on, unfortunately. Yeah. Well, I you know,

1996
01:05:30,260 --> 01:05:32,180
it's an important it's an important series and

1997
01:05:32,180 --> 01:05:33,539
I I I hope you guys will take

1998
01:05:33,539 --> 01:05:34,579
the time to check it out, you know,

1999
01:05:34,579 --> 01:05:35,960
because there's there's so many

2000
01:05:36,994 --> 01:05:38,515
major things going on in the world. It's

2001
01:05:38,515 --> 01:05:40,055
something like this that tends to fall

2002
01:05:40,515 --> 01:05:42,675
on radar, but it's you know, these like

2003
01:05:42,675 --> 01:05:44,409
you said, about CPS or other things that

2004
01:05:44,409 --> 01:05:45,690
we've talked about for a very long time,

2005
01:05:45,690 --> 01:05:46,969
the both of us, you know, that they're

2006
01:05:47,130 --> 01:05:48,489
I mean, you're going back a long ways,

2007
01:05:48,489 --> 01:05:49,849
Ruth. And even you have not even that

2008
01:05:49,849 --> 01:05:51,769
long ago, had a great investigation about, like,

2009
01:05:51,769 --> 01:05:53,994
the finders. And this overlaps, obviously, of, like,

2010
01:05:53,994 --> 01:05:56,474
sexual trafficking, which is a different topic, but

2011
01:05:56,474 --> 01:05:58,235
they're they overlap. Right? And here we're talking

2012
01:05:58,235 --> 01:06:00,315
about overlap for sure. Like, that these the

2013
01:06:00,315 --> 01:06:01,914
point is and right now, you're getting into

2014
01:06:01,914 --> 01:06:04,000
the that aspect of it. But I I

2015
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,599
would imagine if you dig in these elements

2016
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:07,119
that you will find the connection, and it

2017
01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:09,574
will because they're right they are right for

2018
01:06:09,815 --> 01:06:11,894
they're they're rife with abuse or but the

2019
01:06:11,894 --> 01:06:13,655
pen potential for it. Yeah. Like, because the

2020
01:06:13,735 --> 01:06:15,255
like, I think it was even the CPS

2021
01:06:15,255 --> 01:06:16,614
that acknowledged over the years I think it

2022
01:06:16,614 --> 01:06:17,355
was California,

2023
01:06:17,710 --> 01:06:19,230
but there was a I forget the exact

2024
01:06:19,230 --> 01:06:20,589
number, but I remember it was something like

2025
01:06:20,589 --> 01:06:22,589
60 per like, a huge percentage of the

2026
01:06:22,589 --> 01:06:25,170
people that found themselves in these sexual networks

2027
01:06:25,405 --> 01:06:28,125
were coming through CPS and foster care. And

2028
01:06:28,125 --> 01:06:29,244
that doesn't have to mean that that was

2029
01:06:29,244 --> 01:06:31,405
deliberately done. We should ask that question. But

2030
01:06:31,405 --> 01:06:33,980
just the overlap, the the willful ignorance to

2031
01:06:33,980 --> 01:06:36,139
the idea that, well, this isn't inherently good

2032
01:06:36,139 --> 01:06:37,980
thing, so we shouldn't question it. Yeah. It's

2033
01:06:37,980 --> 01:06:40,139
abused by the predators that we know are

2034
01:06:40,139 --> 01:06:42,065
there. You know? That's that's that's blind trust

2035
01:06:42,065 --> 01:06:44,304
and authority. Exactly. So I really appreciate your

2036
01:06:44,304 --> 01:06:45,505
work, man. And it's great to have you

2037
01:06:45,505 --> 01:06:47,184
in the studio and have this conversation. Hopefully,

2038
01:06:47,184 --> 01:06:48,224
we can do it more in the future,

2039
01:06:48,224 --> 01:06:49,364
and and, we'll

2040
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:50,960
have a lot more to talk about. I'm

2041
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,800
sure. Yeah. Absolutely. Thanks for having me on

2042
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,319
and appreciate that. I hope everybody will check

2043
01:06:54,319 --> 01:06:55,599
out the Summit of the Future and then,

2044
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:58,159
again, learn more about Bethany Christian services in

2045
01:06:58,159 --> 01:07:00,525
that whole. But I'm calling the adoption industry

2046
01:07:00,585 --> 01:07:03,304
complex. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, thanks for everyone

2047
01:07:03,304 --> 01:07:05,804
for tuning in and as always question everything,

2048
01:07:06,105 --> 01:07:08,204
come to your own conclusions, stay vigilant.