Welcome to Last American Va bond. Joining me
today again is Brad Miller here in studio
to discuss a lot of different things. Importantly,
a letter he recently put out around military
accountability. We're gonna discuss a little bit possibly
about the election for an inter interference in
this country, and the 2 party illusion in
general, but I'm excited to talk you yet
again today because I think our conversation was
important last time. And this is what we'll
start with today around the idea of the
Covid 19,
shot mandates, the conversation of, of, and I
think the time military personnel, which is your
story important. I actually wanna start with, you
know, being kicked out of the military and,
you know, how this conversation has developed forward,
then even maybe an overlap with, like, what
might be coming soon. So first and foremost,
how are you today, brothers, is good to
see you? Well, thank you. Appreciate it, Ryan,
Great to be back with you. I think
when we when we first spoke was about
10 months ago or so. So so last
summer. So,
yeah. Happy to maybe share some updates and
have a great chat with you. Yeah. Absolutely,
man. Well, why don't we start there in
general Because I think this this is something
that, you know... Least from our conversations forward
where your story really started around, you know,
under in the guise of Covid... Or under
the conversation of Covid 19 shots and mandates,
at around being forced to take something rather
your choice. And I argue is... You know,
like I I said last time, this is
what Courage looks like. The idea of truly
standing against you know, even, you know, a
system that
I think a lot of people in that...
In that position feel is their entire life.
You know, and then finding a in a
position where you feel like you're being pushed
out of it for something you think is
wrong, and I think that's developed in a
lot of interesting ways because a lot of
the stuff we talked about last time,
has been
outright been proven to be correct. And we
knew it was at the time. Right. But
it's interesting
evolution of the whole story. So what don't
we actually start with, you know, a maybe
a quick overview of what that story was
and and what your process was through the
military and refusing the shot? Why And then
let's get into, you know, where you think
this is now based on where it came
from. Yeah. Yeah. So
so I I graduated from West point, Military
Academy in 2003. I entered the army.
I ended up serving a little over 19
years of active service. So how did it
end?
Well, the Covid shot mandate in the military
went into effect, in August of 20 21.
And at the time, I was a Battalion
commander in the hundred and first airborne. So
there was never a chance I was gonna
take the shot. I had many reasons like
like most of us to to question the
narrative. Right. I was 1 of those who
questioned the narrative from day 1. But That
doesn't mean that I was some genius that
had everything figured out. Mh. That's not what
I'm saying. But what I am saying is
I knew that what they were telling us
was was not the truth. Right? Now and
there are quite a few of us that
fall into that category.
So I was I was never gonna take
the shot, and I also did not wanna
be 1 of these commanders that was... Ordering
other people to take it against their will.
Truth be told by the time that I
had taken command, I already had quite a
large percentage of my Battalion that had already
chosen to take it. This is before the
mandate was even in effect.
That said,
about 2 months after I took command, the
mandate went into effect about 2 additional months
later. I was fired. I was relieved of
command, For my non compliance with the mandate.
So that would have been in October of
20 21
in early 20 22, I decided, You know
what?
There is
such
significant,
you know, infiltration of our military. Mh.
Something that I was aware of, but but
the whole Covid op, just really drove the
point home and it showed me that this
is so much bigger than even I thought.
And I had been questioning what was going
on to the government for a very long
time.
But I think the whole Covid op, and
I... That's what I think it was. Mh.
Just showed a lot of us that however,
bad we thought it was. It's worse.
And the military has chosen to go completely
along with it. And that's when I said,
I gotta take the uniform off, because if
I care about the constitution, which I do.
And if I care about the oath that
I took to the constitution, which I do,
that I'm in this paradox
situation where in order for me to feel
loyal to the oath that I took. Mh.
I actually have to take the uniform off.
And it and it's not because I have
something against the institution, the armed forces
but I very much have something against those
who are leading this institution in a way
that is completely anti empathetic. Right. For the
reason that the institution exists. I mean, there's
a reason that Armed forces exist, you know,
and I understand that.
And I agree with that, but the direction
that that were headed and the direction the
military has been in for a very, very
long time is just something that I can't
get behind. And Actually Had to take the
uniform off. And so, my last official day
in the army was
09/15/2022.
Wow. Yeah. I mean, it's an interesting
and powerful.
Story. And for... I'll may... I've I'll bring
up here, make sure people check out that
first conversation we go into much more depth
about that background story,
you know, you making an interesting... You make
a couple of points there are statements that
I think are interesting that, you know,
the... When you swear an oath to the
constitution, It's interesting that today, People seem the
same way they kind of seem to con
complete the idea of your constitutional constitutional rights
with the government giving you those or taking
them away. You know, the idea that, you
know, you're spraying oath to essentially the people
of this country. Know, not the power structure
behind the constitution. Yeah. And yet that kind
of just becomes the fact that you are
swearing it oath to the government. You know,
and that's... I think that's 1 of the
problematic things. And a lot of people even
going... And I do think most of my
opinion people that go into the military doing
it. For the right reasons Sure. They believe
they're fighting for the right things and they're
just being lied to. And and yet, even
those people will probably
argue that they're swearing a oath to the
government. Or the power structure. Yeah. You see
any sense of that when you were serving?
Yeah. Absolutely. There there's a lot of confusion
there. And there's even a lot of confusion
in the military community or the veteran community.
So
when we talk about,
what is our country? Because it it can
kinda be a ne term? Is it... The
sum total of the the people, our culture,
our history, our identity, our customs, You know,
if you take all that, you kinda pack
at that together is that our country. That's
kind of what I I think it is,
you know?
But that is completely different than our government.
So country and government, those are not synonyms.
Right? Get And so
when if if you are in uniform, right?
And you're in an airport or wherever.
People come up to you, and they say,
you know, thank you for your service. This
is something that happens all the time. And
and and you typically feel grateful for that,
even if you feel a little bit uncomfortable
a little bit awkward But you appreciate that
sentiment that comes from
Americans that view you as serving your country.
The the problem though is at some point,
you may have to ask yourself
But am I serving my country or am
I serving the government? Right? Because if I'm
serving the government that I'm only serving the
country in as much as the government.
Is serving the country. Now, in theory,
we should put in,
individuals you represent us who act on our
behalf, and they should be behold to the
the public. That's Right. That's not the reality
that we live in. Right? And so, eventually,
even though I had... A lot of questions
about what government had been doing for a
very long time.
I believed for a lot of my career
that
we still need good people in our military,
and the military is still fundamentally good. What
Covid showed me was
the the situation and the gravity of the
problem are so much more expansive than I
had thought beforehand
that I no longer, and this is I
have friends of mine who have taken a
slightly different route, and I totally respect, you
know, their views on this. But for me,
I thought I can no longer be in
this organization. Mh. Because it is... It's... Too
far gone. I no longer have confidence that
just being a good man in the military
will will will be enough. I just I
felt
I need to take the uniform off. And
there's actually more that I can do to
serve my country out of uniform than Mh
in uniform. And that doesn't mean that I've
abandoned the military altogether. It's actually just the
opposite.
I am trying to save the military from
itself. Right. But I feel like I can
do that much more strongly and much more
effectively out of uniform than in uniform. I
and I hope maybe, you know, that makes
sense when I kind of explain it to
people that's... You know, the if there's... If
I wanna
people of some some... And some wrongful thinking
here.
When I speak, I'm not speaking on behalf
of the military. In fact,
I would like to bear witness to people
that that I am speaking out against what
our military is doing. Right. And when I
say the military, again, I'm not necessarily talking,
in the collective of, you know, the institution.
It's it's... No. We have people that are
running the institution and they're in my mind
deliberately
or or at least coward running and in
a direction that is entirely ini
to the reason that the armed forces exist
into the, you know, the the stated structure
of our government. Right. Right Exactly. I mean,
it's... They're acting in the... Out... They're not
acting in the interest of the American people.
Correct. Just the whole point of what the
supposed to what they present to the American
That's right. You know? That's. Yeah I mean,
I think that makes perfect sense. And I
think that... Yeah. I'm mean... I... And maybe
both actions in different ways can help change
the situation? But I think I I would
be probably taking the exact same route that
you are. Because my thought is
Well, first, I would say that somebody good
in the military. Even knowing what was happening
would still positively change it. Maybe they would
resist the wrong orders. Right? But I think
what you're saying makes the most sense because
putting good people in those positions gives a
positive and ear to what they're doing and
also... Allows them to potentially use these good
people for bad things. And I think that's
a problem. You know. Yeah. But yeah. Think
that I think that's a really important thing.
I'm constantly talking about that on the show
about, the government is not the country. Right?
And these are separate concepts and that we
have to recognize that, you know, the government
is simply an an entity that is supposed
to be behold in to the country, and
that's not how it works. Yeah. They're telling
us we have to be behold to the
government. And I think that's kind of the
premise for a lot of these things we're
discussing today that we're realizing these,
for for the first time for a lot
of people. They've never even thought about this.
And we can get into why I think
that might be in regard to foreign things
going on in the world, but I just
think that's powerful. Yeah. Well, thank you. And
you're right. You know, government should be subs
serving to the country. You know, the the
states created the federal government. We can look
at, you know, the the role... People have
within their respective states, etcetera, but what we
have seen is a complete inversion That. Right?
Right? Well, I wanted to... The I I
think it's interesting. I wanna make a point
for go past the opening stuff here that
that I've I've referenced a video. I think
it's by Simon Sane many times in the
past. Really the whole thing's mostly about the
chemical makeup of our brains and how these
things are important and manipulated, and we're not
really taught about it, but it makes it
a really pricey point about about leadership. And
I think it's so important and what you
were... What you're highlighting. Right? Is is what
I think real leadership is. Somebody who's... It
doesn't necessarily mean who's in power or in
charge. Right? And that's kind of proven today
by the rulers leadership We have, not the
leadership as that most leaders are people that
would,
put themselves in the path of danger to
protect. The people, not let the people be
in front of them in regard to protecting
the government from the danger. Right? He makes
this this example about, you know, tribal,
entities, and the idea being that that's what
I just described is that the a real
leader would be in out in front, making
sure that the tribe is safe as opposed
to the other way around, and I think
what we're seeing is the exact opposite from
the government today. You know, where it's... And
I think that's important. So I think we
all need to reflect on what real leadership
actually is. And Don't think we're seeing that
in our governments. And really anybody that's running
for
president and so on going forward.
Unless you have any more comments on that.
I'd like... Let's let's talk about the
Covid 19 operation as you discussed. Right? And
and if you wanna get into more... Any
more thoughts on that, I think people are
interested to hear what you mean by what...
An operation or what you share around there.
Yeah. But let's talk about after that as
well, you know, where we are currently
because to a lot of people, this is
just oh, that old Covid story. Right? Like,
it's just no longer even a thing anymore?
And it's like, I think they're shockingly wrong
about that, and I'm worried about where it's
going next. So wherever where you'd like to
start? Yeah. I'll talk about kind of some
things that are going on in the military
accountability.
Movement. And then I'll maybe give what I
think is maybe a a more macro view
as to what I think is going on
kinda with the Covid up, Mh. Which is
the term that I use, and I use
that very deliberately,
and we can go from there. So
an update that I would give to the
military accountability movement that has happened, since we
last spoke is,
is the release of a document called the
declaration of military accountability, which was released on
01/01/2024.
And so this document
is actually the brainchild of a good friend
of mine who is currently serving in the
military. So he is he's a commander in
the navy. He's a graduate the naval Academy.
He's a he's a just a fantastic guys
name is Rob Greene.
So Rob Greene wrote a book that was
published last year, appropriately enough it was released
on 07/04/2023.
And that book is called defending the constitution
behind enemy The lines. And it it tells
the story of
the service member who is kinda suffering
amid this mandate and and having, you know,
his rights to private, etcetera. So he kinda
tells the service member story whether that service
member is you know, a soldier in the
army, whether he's a marine or, you know,
whatever, because it was... You know, the these
were blanket mandates.
Subsequent to the release of his book.
He's
he he kinda starts thinking to himself. Okay.
What's next? What's our next move? So he
came up with this idea to penn
an open letter to the American public. And
we ended up slapping the title of declaration
of military accountability on it. But but he
wrote it. And then he shared it. He
shared the initial draft with a couple of
close friends, and I was 1 of those.
And so
So we looked at it, maybe made just
a a little bit of a couple edits
to it. We can condensed the language a
little bit. And that we got that type
1 page. That it is now. And if
anyone wants defined, you can find that at
military accountability dot net.
Bring on the screen forms? Sure. So once
we got to what this is actually gonna
look like
that
We had to figure out, okay, well, how
do we roll this out? And so,
Rob said to me. He's like, hey, Brad.
I think I think you're the guy that
rolls this out. And,
And I, I think you're right. I'm I'm
already out of the military. I mean, I
even have a pension they can take away.
Right. I'm certainly not still in uniform Yeah.
I think you're right. Like, I think I'm
the 1 who rolls this out.
In the meantime, we had gotten 231,
either currently serving service members or veterans,
to very courageous put their names on the
documents. So if you go to the document,
you'll see the 1 page draft, you'll see
11 pages
of a total of 231
sign who put their names on the document.
And then on that website, you will also
see a pledge associated
with the declaration that anybody can sign. You
don't have to have any affiliation with with
the military whatsoever,
you can sign that pledge If you believe
that what happens in the military is important
to what happens in the country, or if
you understand that often what happens in the
military serves, is a way point along the
trajectory of what happens in our nation as
a whole.
So if if you if you check that
out at military accountability dot net and the
language resonates with you, then I would encourage
anybody out there, you know, slap your name
on that pledge. And you can sign it
at the at the website. But So, Robin
and I had this conversation, and we came
up with the idea that I was gonna
roll this out. So what did that look
like? And what was the date?
All this was kinda happening in November and
December. And so we just decided that, hey,
you know, January first is the is the
day. I mean, you know, It's the new
year.
Everyone kinda knows 20 24 is gonna be
a big year, whether it's because it's an
election year or just whatever. But 20 24
is gonna be a big year. We're gonna
hit the ground running, and we are going
to try and
and and kinda get in front of this
as quickly as possible. So early in the
morning on January first, I sent an email,
to the chairman of the joint chiefs, which,
of course, is the highest ranking, you know,
uniformed military service member that we have in
the country. And
and a handful of other senior leaders to
include other chiefs of staff of the of
the respective service branches, etcetera. And in that
email,
I, of course attached
copy of of the declaration military accountability.
And in the email, I said,
basically,
this is just to inform you that we
are about to release this to the public.
Because at the end of the day, the
declaration is not addressed to the senior military
leaders. Right. It's addressed to the American public,
but it very much covers
the unlawful and harmful activities that our military
leaders have been engaged in. But I sent
this email to basically inform that,
informed them that, hey, this document is about
to hit the streets as it were. Right?
I sent that email about 4AM
Dc time early in the morning on January
first when everybody's still recovering from, you know,
New Year's Eve activities.
But we wanted to get ahead of this,
You know? And
and then I turned around a couple of
minutes later, and I put it into a
a post on Twitter.
And
and it it just immediately generated a lot
of traction. And ended up being seen,
you know, I don't know. It's, like, 4
and a half million times now or or
or so. But the majority of those views,
you happened within the first week, and and
a substantial number of them happened that first
day, You know, on January first, so many
that we held a Twitter spaces event that
very night because it had already generated so
much momentum
just that first day. And
and since then, you know, we... So what's
our message in the declaration of military accountability?
It's pretty simple. It is
you, you know, senior military leaders or actually,
it's really addressed the American Public, But it
basically says, Senior military leaders
have
violated their Oath of the constitution. They broken
the law. They've also circumvent the military own
regulations. And we, the 231
sign
are not going to stand by and passively
allow this to happen. And therefore we are
appealing,
to the people. Now. I love that. I
mean, it's it's important. Well, I think there's
a lot of questions there. Well, first directing
for the people. Was that? For any other
reason then than just wanting it to be
able to people or did that... III thought
was if it was emailed or sent to
them, there might be some kind of an
issue with hosting it out for the people
because it was a personal correspondence or anything
around that Or was it just to aim
at the people so they could see it
as well. Yeah. So I mean, in terms
of the correspondence, you know, I've never disclosed
the extra correspondence between me and any of
the senior military leaders. Oh by the way,
I never got any replies to that email.
Okay. Figure.
But but the actual correspondence in the email,
not that there's correspondence really much there than
anybody would care to see it, but I
never disclosed that anyway. Mh.
But the document that was attached is just
the declaration of military accountability, which Right. Which
Of course, I did. That's what I uploaded.
I didn't upload the whole text of the
email, but just the document itself is is
is all we've ever disclosed.
But, yeah, But it is... It is an
open letter to the American people. And
to your question about, well, what's the purpose
or the objective behind appealing to the people?
There are a couple. First and foremost, if
you read the declaration in military accountability,
you will notice and this is deliberate, you
will notice that it is written
in kind of the voice in the spirit
of
the founding documents. Mh. Of our country. Right.
Principally
the declaration of independence. And that is intentional.
And that is the idea that Rob Greene
hat. So if you read Rob Greene book,
you, he opens each chapter of the book
with a with an epi graph there will
be a quotation from 1 of the founding
fathers. And then a lot of times he
will open with some sort of anecdote from
the founding period. Mh. And then go into
whatever his message for that chapter is, you
know, as it applies currently to what's going
on with with Covid in the shot mandate,
etcetera.
So him being the author of the declaration
of military accountability as well, he's kinda writing
it in that same spirit. And he draws
some very direct linkage between
what's going on with this and what happened
with the declaration of independence. Now, again, we're
not seeking
independence necessarily
But we are
communicating a long train of abuses. Mh. If
you will, which was 1 of the driving
factors behind the declaration of independence. Well, that
we are kinda doing. Right. We are saying
there's been a long train of abuses here.
The military has always been a highly respected
institution vis vis the public.
It's also 1 of our most important
institutions,
and
obviously, because of military might sure.
Sure. But I think it also goes deeper
than that. It's mh
understanding that the military has also been
a bastion of
American
ethos, kind of this cultural identity that we
have had as a nation. Mh.
And that can be positive, but that can
also be weaponized
against the country, and I think has. And
I think if you're going to attack America
the nation, you've gotta to attack the military.
And again, it's it's for reasons that extend
far beyond just military might. Mh. There's like
a... It's it's
understanding
the
military is a is a cultural pillar and
trying to knock that out. Right. So also
kinda weaken in the nation, that I I
think, our enemies have understood and that weeds
to some degree have got to combat against.
But
You know, there are there are certain overarching
theories that have been around for a couple
of years,
that basically state is their core operating principle
that, hey,
the military got this and the military is
full of, you know, good guys, and don't
worry, you know, the military is handling this.
And, unfortunately, people saw,
our declaration of military accountability as evidence that
that is true.
And what I would say is,
no. It's an indicator of the exact opposite
it. Right. We're not. We're not speaking for
the military. Right. We we are literally saying
the military is it standing against the constitution.
Mh. And against
the American... You know, our our American countrymen.
Right. And that's what we're saying. The military
as the
entity, not the military as the people within
the military Right. Yeah Yeah. Just make that
clear. Exactly. And and I am...
You know, I'm a 1 of a patriotic
American that's why I do what I do.
You know, and and 2,
I'm very proud to be a West graduate.
I'm very proud to have served 19 years
in the army. And under different circumstances, you
know, I would I would Still be in.
Mh.
What that doesn't mean that I I can
But there comes a point where you just
have to acknowledge that the military is being
run
by
people who for for whatever reasons, we can
certainly talk about some my ideas on why
I think this. Is happening. But,
at some point, you know, they are running
the military and using the military in a
way that is that I I can't count
it's and I can't be. Is a part
of. Right. Right. But I don't represent, you
know, the the the military. This is kinda
why I mentioned what I just did about
how,
you know, some people were mis
the declaration military accountability. And they were seeing
it as evidence, like, oh, the military got
this. Mh. And what we're saying is,
no. If the military had this, we would
not be in a situation where we've had
to do what we've done. Yeah. Exactly. Well,
this is the larger point about whether it's...
Foreign policy or whether it's domestic policy in
regard to the Covid 19 mandates and, you
know, operation warp speed, you know, there's definitely...
I just simple put it simply that the
the military or our government in general is
acting wildly outside the constitution that representing or
Yeah. Respecting our god given ina constitutional the
rights. And I think that that has gotten
so rampant, even domestically first and foremost, but
then worldwide in the same way. The international
law, you know, and so I think this
is very important. And I think that
it's... I agree. I'm glad you made the
distinction. It's not you're not necessarily calling for
independence because of course, even, you even if
justified the government would frame that is interaction
or, you know, whatever else. But the idea
that we are at a moment. Where at
this inflection point where Americans are becoming rapidly
aware of this problem,
and realizing they've had this, you know, they
pulled over their eyes this entire time about,
you know, these rose cover glasses about everything
they've been doing. And you can look back
through history and, you know, even by their
own accounts and realize that we haven't been
doing what we've been told we've been doing.
And I think that something like this is
necessary. To show the people that won, we
do need change in that military personnel or
former are seeing it and that it's on
them
to make this change. Right? I think that's
what's important because if we believe what we're
told about this country or the way it
process and the way it works that we
would have the ability, the authority to change
this and the ways we thought necessary, but
I argue that's not how the government sees
it. You know? So I think this is
an important conversation. So I commend the effort,
and I'm and I'm glad to see that
this is getting more traction, you know? Good
ahead. Yeah. Let me just make 1 more
point on that.
So on my, you know, on my, on
my Twitter,
I've never been 1 to call it x.
So... Thanks anybody. Yes. So so anyway.
So... And I'm fairly active on there. So
if people wanna find that, they can just
find it at my name, just Brad Miller
01:01 0. And
and it's funny because people sometimes ask me,
like, what's the 01:01 0? Well, I mean,
I was born on October tenth. Like, that's
literally it... That's literally all that is. There's
no... There's no there's no, like, phoenix there.
Yeah. Yeah. So now, you know, if you
wanna know my, you know, semi gifts.
So
so
I'm fairly active on there. And I and
I I put out a a post
fairly recently that generated
quite a bit of controversy interestingly enough. Mh.
And it was a post that I put
out on June tenth. Well, 06/10/2024
would be the 3 year anniversary from the
day that I took command. So I assumed
command of the battalion that I would later
be relieved from
on 06/10/2021.
So I put out a post and I
kind of just remarked, like, hey 3 years
ago, you know, I... To command.
Here's what happened blah blah blah. And,
a lot of people responded. So it it
ended up getting about 11000 comments. And a
lot of the comments are very supportive. The
And then, you know, of course, they're gonna
be bots they're gonna be plants. Like, I
understand that. But there were also quite a
few comments that I know were from. Real
people. Mh. Like, because I and kinda know
who they are. And
and they were
in rabbit
opposition to the decision that I had made,
which of course is fine. You know, people
can have their own opinions. This is about
the Covid 19 mandate show. This is about
this is about the decisions, you know, that
I made to ultimately
disobey an order, which is true. Yeah. Of
course, you know, we would argue from our
side that that... If the order was unlawful,
you know, and ultimately destructive. And I would
even tell you that it was also treason,
which is something that I believed
at the time. Mh. Now...
It would have been difficult for me to
articulate that 3 years ago. Mh. Because
it would have been... We we know a
lot more than we than we knew then.
But also, it would have been hard for
me to articulate it to people that are
just operating from a worldview
in which they think that something like that
is...
Impossible. Mh. Totally in feasible. Right?
But that doesn't mean that I didn't necessarily
think that that's what was going on in
in some fashion, even if I didn't necessarily
have all the answers as to why. Right?
Right?
But anyway, so I I put in this
post, hey, this is what happened. You know,
this was kind of a difficult time in
my career in a couple of days leading
up to assuming command because
I knew when I took command of that
battalion, I was going to be fired. I
mean Knew that. And and
when you take Battalion command, you should hold
the position for 24 months.
I held it for 4.
I mean, I did not last very long
at all. Before the mandate went to effect.
I knew it was gonna... The mandate was
gonna go into effect any day. It ended
up going into effect about 2 months after
I took command an additional 2 months later.
I ended up being relieved. But, anyway, I
put some thoughts into a post to generate
a lot of controversy.
And and a lot of people, they just
thought that, you know, when you join the
military, you follow orders. That is true. Mh.
And and
Do you have to follow orders that you
do not like or you do not agree
with? Yes, you do. You do not get
to disobey orders just because you disagree with
them. I mean politically, for example, that wouldn't
apply. Yeah Yeah. Or because you think that
it might put you in, you know, undue
danger. Here's the thing.
When you, you know, volunteer your force. So
I mean, you kinda know
kinda know what you're signing up for when
you sign up for the military. And I
mean, it does potentially involve, some significant danger.
Right Right? And you can't... Because of the
nature of the mission,
yes. You need a military that is built
upon good order and discipline. Absolutely. And it
has be predicated upon following orders. And sometimes
that means
you just kinda told what to do. And
you gotta do it because you're part of
a large operation,
And if you fail to perform your part,
you could significantly hamper, you know, the entire
operation. So I think we get all that?
Mh. There is a significant caveat.
Though, 2 following orders. And the military itself
teaches its service members this and it actually
does a pretty good job of even teaching
very young junior service members that
Not only are you not obligated to follow
1 lawful orders? Right. You actually are obligated
to stand up and refuse.
To follow those. Price, they still teach that
though. I think you're saying. Well, Mean, maybe
they're gonna have to stop.
So
Now now, I understand him people can qui
over whether or not the order was unlawful.
And we can have that discussion and we
can have that debate.
But people who think,
no. You follow orders, period full stop. Mh.
And some of these individuals either currently serve
or our veterans, it's like... Hey, Listen.
You have failed to learn 1 of the
most important lessons you could have ever learned
Right. During your military service. If you think,
that you are duty bound to follow
any conceivable order that could potentially be handed
down to you. Right. Well, the whole thing
you're discussing, which is what the point you're
making is it's it's built on the assumption
that everything they're doing is within the law
is within the interest of the American people
or the military. Yeah. And you can prove
that that's not the case and a lot
of, like what we're talking about you know?
And so if you're talking about the idea
of, you know, an unlawful order being allowed
to be refused. I mean, this is a
huge precedent set after World war 2, know,
the idea that just saying I followed orders
and apply, You know? And this is... It's
it's it's interesting that we've gone so rapidly
away from things that used to be what
we argued were, you know, foundational. Yeah. And
at all... And it's interesting. All it really
shows you and let know if you agree
with this is that they never really believed
it. Is all of a sudden, when it
becomes difficult,
what we saw was that just didn't matter
because x y and z. Because it's a
pandemic or because X y and all of
a sudden it all went away. Constitutional rights
because it's hard. Know, and I think that
shows you that never really believe in the
first place in the line way. Yeah. And
I'll I'll I'll share 1 other thing that
I thought about, you know, quite a bit
recently. And that is...
You
You know, think about your individuals who are
smart individuals who are, you know, quote unquote
good people because You know, I find my...
I ask myself a lot. Like, where are
all these, you know, good people? Right?
And
and a lot of them are friends of
mine. And they're still friends of mine. And
And I and I still respect to some
degree. Mh. But I also have some hard
questions for them. Like, like, hey, Where are
you now in your country in needs you
the most? Right? And because a lot of
these guys, you know, they've got 20 25,
30 years in the military. You know? So
when you're particularly a young man. Mh.
You grow up and you have these
you know, these these illusions in your head
as to what you're gonna accomplish in life.
Right. And you're gonna be some great adventure
and you're gonna accomplish these these these great
feat.
And so when you're when you're still also
very young in your... In my case, you
know what cadet west. Point or or a
very junior officer in the army.
Again, you know, you have these these images
of your mind, Of of yourself accomplishing these
great feat.
Of courage in in some faraway land, you
know, on a battlefield in in combat. Right?
And
maybe... And and and I would never ever
diminish the incredible feat of courage that individuals
have... I would never ever ever diminish that.
Because some of them are truly truly remarkable.
But
what happens if you only ever
prepare yourself mentally and psychologically perhaps even spiritually.
For those physical acts of courage. And then
what happens if the defining moment of your
career
happens to be
a moral battle. And it doesn't happen on
some faraway
land Where where bullets are flying, But it
happens back here at home station within the
borders of the United States, and it kinda
comes down to a decision regarding medical freedom.
Now no there are bigger ramifications But what
if that ends up being the defining moment
of your career
and you're unprepared for it because you never
saw in your mind that that would be
the moment in when you... In which you've
really got to prove your metal. I I
think we just saw it as I'm sure
the point that you're making, You know, we
just watched that happen. You know, where at
least people...
Or there weren't prepared for it or just
didn't see that as being something that, you
know, again, back to the point you made.
I think a lot of the younger generation
in the military are of the mind that
you... You just do not disobey no matter
what. Even if you are you, it's unlawful
or maybe the idea being that if they
order it or it is happening through the
military. It's not unlawful. You know, sort of
a
Nixon, if the president says that it's not
a legal kind of a game. And I
think we've seen that a lot. That sentiment
has grown through the Trump era, and the
idea that might is right and if we
do it, It's not... It's the right thing,
because we're the good guys. I think that's
a huge part of it. You know? But,
Yeah. I think that's a really important point
because it's would argue that even the feat
of strength, feat of courage that we high
that you're highlighting, we're also moral feat. For
sure. You know And I think that's the
real point. Is that some of the people
are willing to do that. I argue somebody
and maybe I'm wrong, but most put it
most people that would be willing to put
their life on the line in such an
incredible feat of courage.
Do so because they're guided by their moral
compass. Sure. That's what I would argue. Would
you're agree with that? Yeah. I think
you can certainly find... I think a lot
at physical courage also requires moral courage. As
well. Absolutely. Yeah. And and with certain individuals
in certain sets of conditions at certain times,
you will find as well physical courage and
moral courage occurring in tandem. Mh.
I also think
that
while the 2 are very related,
they're not exactly the same thing, and they're
not exactly
both always
there, you know, Right? In a in a
in a given, you know, situation if that
makes sense. Yeah. No. Absolutely.
Well, so we we... We've talked about the
moral the military accountability, which I think is
is... Again, I really hope people out there
will take the time to read this sign
of themselves. I think this is important. And
how that, you know, we'll... Talk in a
moment potentially about the, foreign an overlap foreign
wars. But let's go back for a second
to the mandate discussion. In Covid 19 and
Yeah. Because that's where this kinda stems back
from and where the where the point started
about where
where is this now? You know? So we've
we've seen this, and we've seen the continuing
conversation, and hopefully, people are still taking the
time to talk about it, highlight the importance
of it because it has not gone away?
But as we said, a lot of people
are under the impression that this is sort
of a put to bed story.
And maybe even you can argue the Covid
19 o overlap might be something that is
being going away, I still argue that might
be the case. Let me know what you
think. But the idea of the medical freedom
side of it. Whether it's the next thing
that comes around, the forced shots. And you
know, so where are we with that now
in regard to the military, civilians? And, you,
where do you think this is going and
maybe touch on the Covid dot op point
You were gonna discuss? Yeah. Yeah Yeah.
And You know? So so I firmly
agree with what you just said Where you
said, hey, this isn't over. Mh. It hasn't
been. Right. You know, put to bed, but
they do want you to believe that. You
know?
So specifically with the military,
the the shot mandate for the Covid giant
is no longer an effect? Now why is
it no longer an effect? It was discontinued
on 01/10/2023
as part of the 20 23 Nda, the
National Defense Authorization Act.
Now,
my opinion,
I think that was a strategic maneuver that
they did as maybe a type of pressure
valve, there was a lot of pressure that
was mounting against this. Mh. So, okay, if
we release a little bit of steam,
some of this will be the buildup up
of pressure will go away. That's such an
important thing to make sure we just pause
it. Like, that is so common in my
opinion for all of these agendas where... Sure
they'll throw a little bit of a little
loan. You know, And people go. It's over.
You know, please keep keep going. I think
that's so important. Or yeah. So so it's...
You're right. I think that's done a lot.
But... In my opinion, you know of course,
you know, I could be wrong, but I'm
just looking at this situation, and, you know,
we gotta understand it's so much bigger than
just Covid. And I think we'll get to
that. But,
But but right now,
there is no mandate that requires you if
you're in the military to take the Covid
shot because technically,
it was... And and this is where you
gotta be careful about the words that we
used, You know, some people use Rep or
it was res. Mh. Well,
Here's what it was not. It was not
reversed, and that's my word, but here's what
did not happen.
They did not come out and say,
we are stopping this because we got this
wrong. Right. We've re looked at this and
we realized,
we jumped the gun. We did this.
We, you know, hey,
apologies. No. None of that happened Right. He
was done under the guy. First of all,
it was done because of of some pressure
from Congress. But, again, I don't even know
that a lot of that was was authentic.
But it was very much done under the
guise of
this was necessary while it was in effect
it's no longer necessary, and so therefore we
can stop the mandate.
And then I think there were also some...
Some token signs of reconciliation though they were
extremely feeble.
But they did, for example in the army,
they sent out a letter. I got 1.
They sent out this very weekly worded letter
that said,
hey, you know, if you left or if
you were
separated from the army
because the Covid shot mandate,
come on back. Or if you wanna correct
some of your records, like, let's say that
you were kicked out and therefore you left
with a discharge. That was not honorable. Mh.
Then, hey, come on back and oh by
the way, you know, you can you can
request to have your records changed. Interesting. A
lot of people
took that letter and just wired it up
and put it right where it belongs, which
is in the trash can.
Because
first of, I just I don't think it
was sincere. Right. And my understanding is that
less than 1 percent of people who received
that letter of actually taken out. And it's
just specifically from the army, but other branches
of service have done something very similar, but
just nobody's taking them month on it. Surprising
actually. And and even though I I think
most them agree with you, I would Imagine
more of them would still take it up
because of any number of reasons behind.
Should right. Right. Right. And and, you know,
but here's what's crazy is
take even just something as simple as, hey,
if you request to have your discharge status
updated. Mh. We will at least consider the
request, which means Let's say, when you were
kicked out, you didn't leave with an honorable
discharge, which can affect you when you go
to try, you know, follow unemployment. You're go
you go seek follow unemployment. Right?
Because if there's a characterization on your discharge
paperwork that says misconduct,
There's no way for a potential future employer
to know,
well, what type of misconduct? Right. That it
it... He's not necessarily gonna know. Oh, you
just refused to shot. You know So anyway,
there were a lot of people that were
that were damaged because of this characterization.
Of their their discharge status from the military.
Mh.
But my thing is is, like, hey Army.
If you were serious about fixing that, why
would people that you discharged,
why would they need to request an upgrade
to their characterization. Just just do a full
audit and just and just change it because
of what should mission fault, I think as...
Exactly. So
you know, but anyway, so, you know, I
I think this whole Covid op is is
much... Bigger than just it's much bigger than
just shots. Mh. And I think what we
have seen is
2 things that that you and I and
other people probably kind of already knew, but
it's really
shown this to a to a greater level.
But other people who are not necessarily aware
of this are are are getting a mattress
class in in kind of
how the world really works. So... But I
would say that 2 things are
Many people are realizing that the world works
a lot differently than they thought and that
they were taught. Right? And the the second
thing that I would add closely related is
our government operates much differently
than the way you were taught. Right. That
that it operates when you were kinda coming
up through middle school in high school. Yeah.
Most definitely. And, I... That's perfect. As you
get into another... 1 of our topics. But
I wanted to point out around, I have
1 more question about the...
You know, the way the military handled that
Because I... 1 of the points that we
highlighted and I think we've discussed as well
is that it really came down to the
argument, the lie that it had been approved.
Or at least the 1 that they were
forcing. Yeah. And it wasn't. Right? So that
came to be very clear that the 1
that they were giving was still the
your emergency your author as a authorized version,
and, you know, not to get too deep
in that. If... We've done plenty of shows
on to look further, but it was proven
that this was the 1 that was community
was and never even left the shelf. Right?
At the time anyway. Mh. And so,
interestingly, I think 1 if they were to
admit that that was at fault. There's a
huge
legal liability there. I think that's probably why
they would don't wanna say that. But so
it's interesting that they wouldn't
Like, so let me ask this in a
question that. Why would it not be presented
as
the legal reality when they go to these
people letters even? Like, while, hey can't come
on back, we'll we'll we'll give you your
you'll give you an honorable discharge. And even
though we we can prove that they... Were
essentially legally forced.
To bring some people back. I mean, doesn't
that... I mean, couldn't you argue a lot
the letter itself is just a blatant lie.
I mean, isn't that something in a court
of law, you could argue
Well, could it be argued court. It's an
interesting question. I would like to be able
to say that... So we've gotten minimal help
from Congress? Mh. And we've gotten minimal help
from them. Courts. Now I mean in theory
that could change. I mean, that's 1 of
the reasons why we're appealing to the public
is to place pressure on some of these
governmental institutions.
Courts But but you are right that the
the
the implementation of the mandate clearly unlawful. Mh.
Because... The entire mandate in the way in
which the sec, the secretary defense originally wrote
the original mandate
when it went into effect, It was predicated
upon the existence of a fully Fda approved
product. Right? Which we know did not exist.
They approved a a ghost product. What I
call it. Approved a ghost product. Well to
clarify, like... I understand what you're saying as
well, they did actually approve, but it was
never made never actually. Right. That's right Yeah.
That's right. So they they approved a product
that was unavailable. And it was unavailable. That's
why I call it. You know, goes. I
here.
And then they allowed for this mis
misinformation of an una approved product, which only
existed under Eu. The emergency use authorization, which
is like a Pfizer Bio tech product, they
allowed for the mis misinformation of this product
as either a fully fda approved product or
at least, a product that could be used
interchangeably Right. With a fully Fda approved product,
which actually you can't do. You right. You
can't have interchange between an approved product, and
una process. Especially 1 that within that very
thing said legally distinct. Legally distinct. Except that
the same in in the memo by Terry
Adam, Doctor Terry Adam, you know, works for
for
for the government. You know, she put out
a memo on 09/14/2021.
So about 3 weeks after the mandate,
And when she said, these 2 products can
be used interchangeably, but they are legally distinct.
It's just like, okay. So are they the
same or are they not the same? Right.
Because I... You're you're trying to make it...
Sound like it's both. Do you think that
Lloyd or whoever ultimately responsible for the choice?
Do you think that they knew that your
opinion? My opinion. Mh. Brad miller opinion. Yes.
It interesting they knew that. So I think
I think at the level of government, like,
you know, top levels of government
I think they were knowing complacent. Now, of
course I I I'm not gonna be wrong.
We're we're we're here. Mh But I do
think that there are individuals who were who
were knowing complacent. Yeah. And then I think
if you kinda come down a little bit,
I think that there are...
Okay.
I think the secretary difference was smart enough
that when he put out his
initial memo. If you actually look at the
black and white words on the page,
it is far less problematic than actually what
happened, because he says I don't really the
exact wording, but he says, in the memo,
fully Fda approved products, you know, will be
used. Mh. So when you look at that,
it's like, okay. We may not like this,
But legally, this is far less problematic. Right.
Than the actual
implementation, which, of course was only possible.
If you're using Ua products because there were
no. Right. There were no, you know, fully...
Plausible to my ability. He could articulate. I
thought that was of course. Of course. Of
course. So So do I believe that there
was will collusion between the Fda and Dod
to,
you know, this product. Tier as this product
tier or at least something that could be
interchangeably used in place of it? Mh. Yes.
I think that was will for collusion. To
what end.
Oh man. Great question. So
this is where I think it's much bigger
than just the military it's much bigger than
just the United States. I mean, I think
to some degree,
there is a
there's a coup going on, and I think
the coup is worldwide. And I think and
this is a... I think this is a
point that we've got to learn. Mh.
Wars don't always look the way that we
kinda have come to think that wars look.
Right. And a coup
doesn't always necessarily consist.
Of a singular 1 and done event. Right.
And I think that what's happening in our
country, but you could also,
extrapolate, you know, across the world,
but let's just talk about Just the United
States for a moment.
I think we're in the midst of kind
of an
ongoing coup.
And that ongoing coup, which I think has
been, you know, decades in the making, maybe
longer,
is pun
by, like,
certain discrete events, but even... But none of
those, like, singular events
is a is a full 1 and done
coup like you think of in which, like
like, there's a military military push in some
country, and, you know, yesterday, you had this
guy that was in charge of of whatever
country.
But then tomorrow, you're gonna have, like, a,
like, a military commander in fatigue that is
now the quote unquote ruler of that country.
Right. And now we have a new military
Jun.
That's what people think of when they hear
coup,
but I think we're we're
we're in the midst of something that is
far more subtle.
And it's far more incremental,
But it doesn't mean that there aren't kind
of these singular events that kind of move
us into a deeper phase of the too.
I think Covid was 1 of those. I
think,
I, I think 09:11 was 1 of those.
Mh You know? And I don't think you
get to a Covid. Too without a 9
1100 percent. 2 decades prior. Hundred percent. I
mean, I think that's that's such an important
point that people should just write down and
that's right there or the connection between those
events. Even if maybe you could argue that
Covid whatever you want... Know, the event
was seen at the time of 09:11 or
planned. Yeah. You can clearly see that these
things are inter... You know, it's if the
the medical biometric
techno, trans kind of direction from Yeah. The
first step... Like, each to your point, you
can't have what they did with Covid 19.
Without first establishing the security state which put
us in the position for us to be.
And, you know, it's very important to think
about. Now I go ahead Can Just make
a point on that real? So,
Let me personalize it for just a moment.
Because my
my military career is basically book ended Mh
by by 09:11 on the front end, and
then kinda, you know, this whole Covid up
on the back end.
So where was I on 09:11? So I
was a cadet at West point?
Thank you. West point, New York is about
50 miles north of New York City. I
think it's about 60 miles north exactly of,
like, where where ground 0 is.
So I mean, I was a cadet in
my third year at West point when 09:11
occurred. And and I will also tell you,
and I was just Hood wink as anybody
else. I mean, I I bought into the
whole narrative. Because that's the world that I
was operating under. Right? So then, you know,
I I would have graduated in 2003.
I go into the army.
I deployed to Afghanistan, and I truly believe
on the day that I deployed Afghanistan. My
first deployment to Afghanistan was in January of
06I
went to Afghanistan in January o 6 believing
that I was in Afghanistan, you know, fighting
for Forgotten country. Right? I spent a year
there, and I believe that every single day
that I was there. I came home in
January of 2007, like, still believing that. It
wasn't until a little bit later. I actually
later that year. Had nothing to do with
my deployment really. Right. And which
I just kinda started... I just came across
some information. You start digging, and then... But
just kinda never stop research was and and
and, you know, fast forward and, you know,
now here I am with you. But the
reason I wanted to bring that up though
was because
I I kinda started researching something like 09:11
in in in late summer to fall at
2007.
And I'm a captain in the army this
time who's already done a deployment to Afghanistan.
Mh. So yeah I I I've got kind
of this
you know, this... So I'm working through this,
You know, in my mind at the time.
And
and and about a year or 2 later,
I almost got to the point where I
was, like, I've gotta get out of the
army. Mh. And my my initial commitment from
West point was up
and
and and I was... Strongly thinking about getting
out of the army. And I ended up
I'm not doing it, and I didn't do
it because I thought
the military still needs good people in. Right?
Okay? Well, fast forward a decade a little
bit more than a decade later, And I
will tell you to some degree,
part of the reason that I got out
when I did
over the whole... Well Covid op is because
I did not get out roughly a decade
earlier with 09:11. Because in that decade,
you know, a decade more of life at
experience, a decade more of me doing research,
but also, what happened with Covid was so
much larger
than 09:11
that my my previous
idea of,
oh, you still need good people in the
military. I just thought...
Man, I think that was a little bit
naive. And I'm not saying that there... Aren't
some good people in the military. I mentioned
Rob Greene. Mh. Rob Greene is still in,
wants to be in, I applaud him and
he and I or you know, I'm I'm
working with some people that are still in.
But for me, what I chose to do,
there was very much this idea of,
ma'am, maybe Maybe I should've gotten out a
decade ago. I didn't do it. Like, I'm
I'm I'm I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
pretend that this is okay. Right. You know?
It's it's interesting though that really... It just
takes a desire to look at this information.
It's really... You know, it's, like, the reason
I said, this simple as that. It's like,
people act like, this is some... Yes. It's
a difficult journey to go through this. It's
uncomfortable. You know, But the information is out
there. Yeah. It's easily verifiable in a lot
of ways. And so it's just about choosing
to acknowledge that and go through this. And,
you know, it's it's a... As you know,
it's a difficult path. You know, especially because
there's so many people that are willing to
attack you to protect their
lack of of understanding of the situation. They're
their blindness to it. You know? But so
let... The the interesting overlap is Well, actually,
before we get into the the over the
foreign overlap. Last quick point, quick... A quick
answer here, do you think that they're gonna
try that again? In regard to shots mandates.
Pathogens? What do you think? I I think
the the playbook,
if we allow it can absolutely be used
again? If they decide to abandon it, it
will be because they've just decided they're gonna
go some other route. They're gonna use some
some other op. But
I
I'm an optimistic person by nature, but I
do believe... And And I I think there
are reasons to be hopeful. Mh. But I
do believe that true optimism is grounded in
a realistic appraisal of the gravity of the
situation. Otherwise, it's just naive. Yeah. And so
I think sometimes people
assume that we've had more victories than we've
had. Mh. I think that can be dangerous
thinking. Yeah.
Again, I I think there reasons to be
hopeful. But if if we're not realistic about
what what's what's stopping them from from either
using a very similar playbook,
Or using something else that would be just
as, you know, as devastating to us, then
we've... We we still got a long way
to go. Yeah. I I mean, I agree.
I I do definitely think I, you, I
imagine to degree that we have made a
lot of steps in the right direction. I
think we have. But I but I I
would agree with you that, you know, And
I think this is... The idea of the
2 party illusion, the games that are played
the where we kind of fall this trap
where we... And even maybe to the release
valve point, where we take what's in front
of us as a kind of a win
because we want that. Yeah. You know? And
even if it is a win, we have
to recognize that this game is never over
this is a yin yang, constant battle of
good evil and I think is never really
gonna go away, and I think it's important
that we're always just aware of that. There's
always gonna be those fauci if you will
or whoever you you think of your mind
that we'll be driving this, whether for their
own personal reasons or for some larger agenda.
So we always just have to be at
stay vigilant. That's what I'm always talking about.
You know? Yeah. But so in... You you
mentioned this this post put up in regard
to
wear in a war, but it doesn't look
the way people think it must look. The
Battlefield isn't necessarily what many assume it would
look like. There are powerful warriors that don't
necessarily look like the typical warrior, and you
make a point in this just about, you
know, essentially that we're in a battle that
we don't recognize in a lot of ways.
And then we're talking about, like, foreign entities,
manipulating our country, You know, you mentioned that
a second ago. So in this in in
this same post you tag the the military
accountability idea. And so
before I play this clip that I wanna
play, I think it's really powerful we could
talk about it. You know, what do you
mean by that in general? In regard to
foreign entities and what should people that are
newly hearing this Whenever never heard this before?
You know, what does it mean? What should
they be looking for? Mh Yeah. It's a
good question. So
so there's a there's a term that I
use and a concept and I'm still very
much wrestling through it in my mind is
doing. Exactly what it means and the implications
thereof of. But
but it's it's this term deep war. You
know And I mean a couple of things
by that. So 1,
And, you know, people may be familiar with,
like, of course, people familiar with the term
deep state or deep events, You know, a
lot of that comes from professor Peter Scott.
So I'm kinda using it kind of in
the same way. Right? That there's there is
a current well beneath the surface that is
there and is very powerful. People don't necessarily
see it. Well,
When you think about,
we tend to think of war as
being something that is physically kinetic and it
attacks the body. Mh.
Well, I think we need to be more
expansive in what we think of as war,
because we're in a war right now I
and we. And it's a deep war. So
there's war that attacks the body, but you
can go... Deeper, and there's war that attacks
the mind or the psyche. People know about,
you know, psychological operations, you know, etcetera.
But I do think that in this part
of my worldview
you know, just as a as a Christian
and as a believer. But I do think
you can go 1 step deeper than even
your your cycling,
which is where you are attacking,
you know, the spirit of individuals, and I
I think that is absolutely happening. But there's
another sense in which it's also deeper.
It's also deeper in the sense that
It's not... Again, it's not just
physically kinetic, and it's it's it's... Of course,
people use terms like like, information warfare. I
mean, it's clearly, clearly part of it.
I like the term that we we borrowed
from the Germans, but the V S Creek.
That's my best that's my best. I don't
speak German. That's my that's my that's my
best Can do for pronunciation. But but the
the literal translation of that is worldview warfare.
And III really like that term. Yeah. Because
I think...
So it's related to the concept of, like,
you know, psychological warfare psychological operations, And But
I like how comprehensive that term is World
warfare because it's not about just me
maybe trying to manipulate your behavior. Or or
physically compelling you to do something. It's about
me,
not even just attacking your beliefs, but also
attacking the way that you arrive
at those beliefs because that in turn will
influence your behavior because then you will change
your behavior. Yet. Right. And and that's the
kind of environment that we live in. So
it's it's it's extremely deep. We are absolutely
in a war. We failed able to recognize
it because it... Doesn't look like
what we think of in terms of war.
That makes sense. Absolutely. I mean, Just call
Halt.
Well, that that is a that is a
form of war, and and I would tell
you also that
psychological warfare or even spiritual works fair. That's
what that's what I was. Those are not
those are not metaphors because the moment you
say that they're fair metaphors. You're almost kinda
saying, well, you know, we describe it in
this way, you know, etcetera, etcetera. And I
myself, I think I've used that in the
past. I've used those terms kinda it is
metaphors. But they're not... Like, it is war.
Right? You know, it it's not just we're
not just making comparisons or or drawing some
sort of of connection, No. I mean, it
is war. Right? You know? I completely agree.
That the spiritual warfare that was the thing
that jumped into my mind about that because
it really is, like, you're... What... It's...
Like you said,
getting not just
interactions, but actually manipulating you so you make
the action they want you to. Right? So
like this preemptive concept. I see that, with
everything that's with that's happening today. It's it's
deeper, like, you're... As you're highlighting. And. I
think that
it's it's such a core concept, and I
think this overlaps. I mean you really described
it well. Like, all the psychological
manipulation. I do think it's a spiritual aspect
of it, whether we're talking about religion or
not. I think that there's a, a real
powerful aspect that
Good example is through our political system right
now. We can see a lot of people
believing that some of these political candidates are
now, like Gods sent. Like, literally believing that
the Trump was sent by God? You know,
how do you fight something like that? How
do you disagree? How do you have a
ami conversation about why he might not be
the right person when they believe you're, you,
the devil. You know, it's like it's an
interesting game that's being played. And so I
I think that is AAA real concept that
we need to be aware of in this
country that we are being manipulated by our
government to make sure that we act in
interest and I argue our counter to American
interest. So do you see that being played
in a way from foreign entities or something
that is a global list concept. How do...
When you mentioned... I I brought up the
the post editor
where it simply says the military. Like the
government is effectively controlled by network of power
that aren't loyal to our country because they
aren't even American. So what would you mean
by that? Explain point.
And this gets murky because, you know, it's
it's very hard for us to figure... You,
you know, who rules the world.
That is a complex question.
So do I believe that we are infiltrated
by foreign powers? Yes. I do. Do I
believe that we are also potentially infiltrated by
some sort of,
you know, use whatever term you wanna use,
global Cabal or what whatever term you wanna
use.
And, yeah I mean, I think that's happening
too. So there's kind of this confluence of
interest, And I think sometimes
it's...
When you when you... Okay. When you're in
high school or later, you know, you take,
like, an undergrad, class, whether it's a history
class political science or international relations. You learn
this very simplified model of geopolitics where you
learn
You know, states are out there. They act
in their own interests and then sure there
may be a little bit of corruption, but
largely states act in their own interests, and
then of course you got, you know, large
corporations. You've got
criminal organizations like cartel or terrorists. But, like,
that's largely your geopolitical model. Mh.
What it doesn't. And, of course, you know,
Espionage just for part of that. You'll you'll
learn that as part of, you know, this
this model too. But what you don't necessarily
learn is, well, what if there are...
Organizations operating
deep deep in the shadows that are
manipulating, you know, both sides of very large
conflicts. Like supernatural national entities that don't really
have loyalty to any... They don't have a
loyalty. And then what happens if you're a
citizen of whatever country, Mh.
What happens if your leaders
are somehow in some way
behold to a supernatural national organizations.
And then therefore, when they act,
sometimes they may be acting in in the
interest of the country that they represent. Mh.
And sometimes they may not be. Right I
know. Right. And it's and it's harder exactly
what that influence looks like. But people who
think that that sounds, you know, too crazier
cons.
I would say, well,
I don't care how it sounds
necessarily. You know? I mean, we we just
gotta be realistic about... What's happening around us.
Right. But I would also look at Covid
Covid was a worldwide up. Right. Now we
can we can try and figure out where
we think it was run from, and maybe
who was kinda... The spear for this operation,
but it was worldwide, and you also see
virtually
every country
went along with it. Mh. And there were
maybe a couple of outliers and the leaders
of those countries did not, you know, did
not. Fair too well. Right. Right. Africa is
a lot of good example. So when did
I was just about to say this Mh.
When did Africa become the the bastion of
freedom. But I mean... Right. You know? And
and,
yeah. You know, there's there's just a sad
history of of Africa. You know. And, I
mean, you know, you wanna talk about a
continent That's just been
exploited it for for hundreds of years. Mh.
But but you're right. I mean, you look
at... You know, there's a story of course
of,
president. You know, my a fully of Tanzania,
and and I think maybe even Be may
have
stood up and resisted what was going on
with with Covid. But
But where were the other,
you know,
nearly 200 countries in the world. Right All
screening about freedom and Liberty, You know, about
what you're acting like they represent? You know,
III often thought about that in regard to,
you know,
I believe a lot of them as you're
highlighting we're either behold into something else. You
or acting in their own immediate self interest
at at the expense of their own peoples.
Yeah. But I do think a lot of
them were just either pressured
through many different mechanisms to go along with
something or even arguably there could have been
an example of something just didn't see it,
which I find really hard to believe. And
I mean, like, right in the beginning, After
a very short period of time, they all
had the opportunity to see what was really
going on. Yeah. But, you know, the the
fact that we saw this worldwide locks
agenda,
is it's... I don't know how anybody can
stand back 10 that's not the... The best
evidence we have of something like that. That's...
As far as I know is never in
history ever happened. Right? I mean, that... Expansive.
Yeah. I'm right. I mean, certainly in in
the in the lifetime of anybody who's, you
know, alive right now. Yeah. Yeah Absolutely Well,
I mean I would even say, you know,
you go back to something like, I mean,
I'm not a major history buff, but, you
know, like, a Roman time concept or, like,
where there was a large part of the
world that was on concord. But even then,
there was not... You had
other... And like, I just think you saw,
like you said, almost everybody across the globe,
countries that were at odds, like, at Borderline
Wartime that some suddenly, we're saying the same
things about how this need to be handled.
Yeah. I just did blows my mind. And
I think that that just shows you very
clearly that there is something
above all of that. Yeah Right? And, you
know, so what would you think that would
look like? Yeah. Well, there are couple of
examples that we can talk through some of.
And, also, let me just preface my comments
by saying,
you know, going back to the military accountability
movement. So our military accountability movement is is
non partisan and it is very
It's kinda narrowly
defined because it is grounded in the constitution
in laws and in military regulations, etcetera.
So,
So when you start getting outside of what
we're trying to accomplish with just the the
implementation, the mandate. Mh. You're gonna start to
get a divergence of opinions. So
So when you're talking to me, you know,
I'm very much giving you my opinions, you
know, that that may or not necessarily be
what...
Other people inside the military accountability movement, you
know, may think because that's a that's a
very that's a very specific movement with a
very specific
deliberately
narrow focus. You know?
But... Yeah, What would this what would this
infiltration look like? So there are
there are countries,
I'll give you 2 examples.
If you ask the average American,
Do you believe
that there are foreign
nations that have infiltrated or at least greatly
influence
American policies.
You know, foreign and domestic.
Many Americans are gonna answer yes to that
question. And if you ask them who
I think you're gonna get 1 of 2
answers or maybe both. And I think they're
gonna say China and Israel. I think that's
what you're you're...
A lot of Americans are gonna are gonna
go to. Quick comment, I just think it's
interesting. I would I would argue that it's
probably the vast majority, but I would argue
it's probably split between... China, Russia. I think
he'll there are things changing right now being
about is real, but that's always been so
interesting to me. And... Look, I've always argued
that all of them, Mean, I think I
and you could speak to this, but in
my opinion, I think every government every military
is in their own ways acting in their
interest to... Spy on foreign countries is the
espionage point you made. You know, that all
of them are. And so it's not a
really a question of, it's just... Is it
happening? A question of, Is it happening enough
that's changing the outgoing policy against the interest
of the country? Yeah. And I do think
that's happening. Yeah. Did do you have any
thoughts on in Your opinion? I I mean,
I think my audience is well aware right
now, especially where I think the largest out
undue influence is coming from, and I think
it's being called out by a lot of
people that have never even discussed this before.
Yeah. Do you have any thoughts on 3.
Who... So the the the question that I
have is, and I don't necessarily know the
answer. This isn't something that I think about
a lot.
Because I do tend to think that there
is
and it may be 1
organization, but, you know, that there are certain
types of organizations
or or, kinda, you know, steering committee type
groups that are
orchestrating things from the background and then are
kinda of manipulating what's going on in in
in a lot of... Different countries. And so
so do I think that China does things
to operate in its own interests, different Absolutely.
Mh. And to some degree, does that mean
that they have to
you, you know, imp what we're doing to
meet our own objectives, of course, and they're
going to do that for sure.
Do I also think that
that China's leaders
are also to some degree
influenced c?
Or or control it make controls a strong
word. But but, by by
some of these groups potentially operating from the
shadows,
I tend to think that is occurring. The
question of course is, you know, to what
degree, and that's that's it's hard to know.
Yeah. But, I would also say reverse that,
you know, whether it's... Both Russia, China or
israel or any other country that, yes, I
think they're actively doing so to varying to
degrees of success. But the same thing reverse,
I think that's obviously the 1 that we
didn't mention in the United States government in
the military, which I think are actively
to... 1 of the largest examples in the
world of doing so maybe in the name
of Freedom, maybe not around. Maybe always in
the name Freedom, maybe not actually in the
name of freedom, but that they're doing so
around the world. In in most countries we
can highlight. Many of which they have agreements
with, not I, you could... I mean, look
no further than Germany and and a lot
of Europe, Nord stream, those kind of overlap
conversations where you can see Us...
I foreign policy acting directly against their coordination
with these countries. Even though they still have
an agreement, they're aware of those things. You
know And so I think that's a lot
of it. But I obviously would argue I
think right now it's becoming more and more
obvious that Israel has an
an unrealistic... I mean, what's the best word
for? There's not... The the influence Israel has
on American policy is
unbelievable. Mh. And I've been calling this out
for a very long time, which has just
to state nothing to do with religion or
ethnicity. It has to do very clearly with
your government policy and the overwhelming influence they
have. And so I think that's the part
that really stands out. I didn't know if
that was kind of what you were feeling
in that post. I just... I think that's
so very important to see, and I think
with what's going on the war and so
on, more and more comes out, right, from
Apa influence of,
politicians that I think that there's a a
clear example of they... What we're highlighting. That
you have governments acting,
right including government representatives in our government
directly explicitly in unconstitutional ways at the expense
of our people. You know? And so anyway,
I wanna state that. I think... Right. So
typically... And everyone has their their terms they
typically use. I haven't necessarily been found 1
yet that I really like. But I tend
if I'm making a post whatever I'm speaking.
Right I tend to use the the term
network of power, which I I understand to
some people will be will be ne.
But of, it is gonna be a little
bit Am morph because it's also kinda hard
to define. And I use that term because
it can it can
include foreign powers, but they can also include
something that might be operating, you know, kind
of above different states and maybe even if
be relating, you know, both sides Or through
a state. Or through a. Yeah. Yeah. Or,
you're all the above. Right? Because I do
believe that there are
large
constructed dialect that are happening, you know, inside
our country, but also on the world stage,
which are clearly being manipulated by someone,
for specific purposes. And I think israel is
a great example of that. I think Ukraine
is also another example of that. Absolutely. And
there are there are so many of these
that happen just inside our own country. So
do I think that that Israel has undue
influence on the United States un questionable. Like,
it it it it's just it's it's
un unreasonable. And there is
no legitimate reason for it whatsoever. This just
there's not.
However,
I
something that I kick around in my own
mind a lot is
is
Israel
influencing and controlling the United States to some
degree Yes.
But also might it be that Israel is
also
controlled by certain
organizations that also control the United States. Mh.
As opposed to... Or in addition to just
the influence kinda from Israel to the United
States but also that whoever's kind of operating
in the shadows above Right. Are manipulating israel
this thing where they're manipulating United States and
manipulating probably a lot of other. You know.
You know, nations around the world. Actually I
think there's a lot of that going on
as well. Hundred percent, a hundred. I I
think that's... You know, and this is the
the point that the larger point about how
this is, again, just kind of what all
of them are always doing, and I love
how it becomes, you know, when you wanna
make the point, you go, Russia, did this
bad thing, and it's like, well, yeah. You...
So are you this... Moment. You know, just
this dishonest is tactic, but it's still important
to highlight the the the large examples of
it. And I agree with you. I think
we're talking about a a supernatural national, like,
outside that framework, Yeah. Entity that is both
working through these countries, manipulating them for their
own benefit. And this is where people can...
I have often point to James Cor work
as he, I think you the engineered fall
of the west and idea of those very
entities sort of transitioning. As you even highlighted
this long term kind of... Plan away from
the Us into a China or something else.
Yeah. And I I do agree with that.
I think that's a at least a... A
high... Likely possibility. Yeah And he's got great
work. Absolutely. You know, So you look at
an organization that I think is out there
that I think is a is a total,
just a just a front organization, and that's
the the world economic forum. Right. So, you
know, I I think I think Klaus schwab,
who and And I realize he's just stepped
down. I don't think that means anything. Mh.
But I also don't necessarily think that he
has a whole lot of power. It's really
all about. Well, who's...
Behind him. I think Klaus schwab is supposed
to look like, kinda ridiculous. I mean, he's
I got Real. Yeah. I mean I got
intentional. You know?
It is kind of ridiculous the cartoon ish
the way he told it. It it is
cartoon. I mean, he is a perfect car.
Mh. Of you know, what you would think
of if you were trying to just create
just... Just... Someone not supposed to be taken
seriously. Right. Even in... The clothes war the
that weird V neck thing, it's like, right
out of some Super villain movie of Star
wars or something. Yeah I mean absolutely. Absolutely
And again, I think it's totally deliberate. Mh.
But to some degree, I think what's what's
what we are... If we're
att to it, and we can discern what's
going on there. I think what we're supposed
to realize is that the world economic forum
is is not some organization that has a
lot of power. Mh. But it may be
a front.
For organization or networks or people that certainly
do. But the reason I bring them up
is because,
you know,
of course, there are statements where where where
we've been told
China is the model Mh. For where the
world is headed. Right. You know? Yeah. And
I think that's based on the idea of
the techno side of it. 100 percent. Yeah.
Absolutely.
Well, so I know we've
a few more things that I'd like to
get into in general on it that kind
of end with this point about
the the the... The, Kind of almost merging
all the things we were discussing. You know,
and the idea that we are at a
point where Americans are rapidly becoming aware
that our government is just not what we
think it is. You know? And I like
to play this clip. I... I think it's
very powerful between
Piers Morgan
and, it was blinking on his name Jeffrey
Sacks. And he, you know, he's been kinda
of famous for, you know, really kind of,
railing against the Us government and for a
policy for a while now. And then, you
know, kinda we can just talk about in
general the end
the election where this goes, and and whether
whether we think that this is something that's
going to rapidly change the perception of things
during that election, and and really whether we
think that the...
I I guess your thoughts on the election
in general. I think my audience knows well.
I don't think the vote even translates. But
we'll get there a second. Let let's play
this clip really quickly. And we can just
kinda talk. We don't have to play the
whole thing actually. Just once you get the
gist of what... What he's discussing. Seem very
reliant on accepting...
Putin's world view
rather than perhaps the stark reality
of the barb with which she's executed this
war.
Yeah. May maybe because I know too much
about the United States because
the first war in Europe after World War
2 was the Us bombing of Be for
78 days to change
borders
of a European state,
the idea was to break Serbia
to create
kosovo as an enclave and then to install
Bond, which is the largest
nato
base in the Balkans in the southwest
Balkans.
So the Us started this under Clinton
that we will break the borders. We will
illegally
bomb another country. We didn't have any Un
authority. This was a quote nato
mission to do that. Then I know the
United States went to war repeatedly illegally
in
what it did in Afghanistan,
and then what it did in Iraq,
and then what it did in Syria, which
was
the...
Obama
administration, especially Obama and Hillary, Clinton tasking the
Cia
to overthrow Bashar bashar,
A assad.
And then what it did with nato illegally
bombing
Libya
to topple more Ka,
and then what it did in
kiev in February
20 14. I happen to see some of
that with my own eyes, the Us,
Over through Yan
together with right wing,
Ukrainian
military forces, we over through a president.
And what's interesting by the way is we
overt through Yan covid, the day after
the European...
Union
representatives had reached an agreement with Yan
To have early elections, a government of national
Unity
and a stand
of both sides. That was agreed.
The next thing that happens is the opposition
quote unquote, says we don't agree. They stormed
the government buildings,
and they
deposed
Yan
And within ours, the United States says, yes.
We support the new government. It didn't say,
oh, we had an agreement. That's
unconstitutional what you did.
So we over through a government,
contrary to a promise that the European Union
had made, and by the way,
Russia, the United States and the Eu were
parties to that agreement, and the United States
an hour afterwards,
back to the coup.
Okay. So everyone's got a little bit to
answer for. In 20 15,
the
Russians did not say we want the dome
back.
They said peace should come through
negotiations. And
negotiations between the ethnic Russians in the east
of Ukraine and
this
new regime in Kiev
led to the Minsk 2 agreement.
The Mint 2 agreement was voted by the
Un security Council
unanimously.
It was...
Signed by the government of Ukraine.
It was guaranteed
explicitly
by Germany
and France,
And you know what? And it's been explained
to me in person,
it was laughed at inside the Us government.
This is after the Un security Council,
unanimously
accepted it. The Ukrainian said, we don't wanna
to give autonomy.
To the region. Oh, but that's part of
the treaty. The Us told them, don't worry
about it.
Angela Merkel
explained the in d z,
in a notorious
interview,
after,
the 20 22
escalation, she said, oh,
you know, we knew that Min 2 was
just a
a holding pattern to give you Ukraine time
to build its strength. No.
Min 2 was a Un security council unanimously
adopted treaty
that was supposed to end the war. So
when it comes to whose trustworthy, who to
believe and so forth.
I guess my problem peers is I know
the United States government.
I know it very well.
I don't trust them for a moment. I
want these 2 sides
actually to sit down in front of the
whole world.
And say these are the terms, then the
world can judge because we could get on
paper clearly for both sides of the world
We're not gonna overthrow governments anymore. The United
States needs to say. We accept this agreement.
The United States needs to say. Russia needs
to say we're not stepping 1 foot further
than whatever the boundary
is actually reached
and nato not going to enlarge, and let's
put it for the whole world to see
You know, once in a while, treaties actually
hold.
Very interesting. I mean, I... It's such a...
It's... I think such AAA... An a very
uncomfortable conversation for a lot of Americans. Because
it's... It goes so it... That's not even
obviously, there's a lot before that as well.
And so it's, like where people are coming
to terms with this reality that that this
is just... We... We've been told to fairy
tale about what we've always been fighting for
and we're doing. I simply wrote Americans need
to come to terms with the reality of
the Us government, not the country, not the
people, but the Us government is not what
we pretend it is, not for a long
time now. And you could even argue maybe
not ever. I don't agree with that, but
there's some conversation to be had about whether
we were told the truth in that regard.
I said, if we cannot accept that fact
that the rest of the world learned a
lot the hard way a long time ago
or if we can accept that fact change
is possible.
And so 1 of your thoughts on that
in general, You know? I mean, I think
that this has potential to be a an
important moment in history for us to change,
talking about your accountability.
The the the the memorandum or the letter
you put out? Mh. In conjunction with this
rapid kind of awareness of these things. So
what's your thoughts on all that? And and
do you agree with what he was saying?
Yeah. So let me just your point where
you said, you know, this is this is
an uncomfortable conversation that Americans might be hearing.
And
Unfortunately, and you know, it's it's it's human
nature, but a lot of times,
we are quick to take the path of
least resistance. Even when it comes to our
belief system.
It's just easier to believe things that are
easy to believe or are convenient to believe.
Right. And if it requires that we kind
of reconfigure,
our entire world in order to extended beliefs.
We are... We're we're hesitant to do that.
You know, most most people are. And and
that's why
Unfortunately, we see a lot of people that
just
passively have their worldview given to them rather
than kind of, you know, actively going out
and figuring out what they believe,
parsing through competing narratives to try and figure
out what they think the actual truth is.
Mh.
Specific to what is stated,
if we use this situations as an example
because there are plenty of others that are
occurring in the world right now,
we've got to understand that
there are complexities in history that oftentimes are
reduced down to a 1 sided narrative and
that is used for
specific purposes, and this is a great example
of, hey, there's a lot more to this.
And if you look at the whole story,
there are a lot of things that United
States has done over time,
that were exceptionally shady,
and these happened long before,
you know, the early 20 22
invasion by Russia of Right. Ukraine. Right. You
know? And it doesn't necessarily mean that people...
And again, this is where we get into
these just these unnecessary, you know, dialect patterns
of thinking.
You don't have to be. You don't necessarily
have to be either
prob putin or anti putin. I mean, you
can take a more
nuanced to
approach to that. And just understand this is
a complex situation. There are there are real
human beings. Mh. You know, just like you
and me, they may just be from a
different part of the world,
whose lives are being up ended by what's
going on, and oh, by the way,
the United States has a hand in what
is unfolding now? Absolutely. Well, just your what
you said there, it's important that at the
end of the day, by saying that the
Us
deliberately
manufactured this war is not to say Putin
good guy. Like this binary view we have
is so infuriating, but there's obviously that's why
that's there. You know, to kind of counter
balance and stop you from seeing it. You
know? And I think it's obvious to see
that there been lied about pretty much every
war in my lifetime, You know, and probably
long before that. And I... This is uncomfortable
because that... It... What it does, it goes
back to our earlier conversation, it makes you
then go hope so the country is not
good. You know, in that that process. But
again, we're not talking about the country. We're
talking about the government. Right? That's... This is
what people need to come down to. And
so to to kind of end in general,
I think the last conversation point here, that
coming into this election cycle, I think these
are the things that people need to start...
Thinking about discussing. You know, these larger points
and not just the same old wedge issues
they throw out to you to get you
talking about sure, divide and conquer topics
I'll show a couple more of your tweets
really quickly. You said this,
in regard to...
It's... What's a pro political tweet about Trump.
You said, let's set aside the important issues
of election integrity, debate integrity and candidate integrity
for a moment and thus assume the upcoming
presidential debate will be authentic. Alright I love
that. Because I'm on the same page. I
don't think it's even remotely. Right Alright. Yeah.
I don't can concede any of those points.
So let's just set those aside. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. The selection coming up. But, you've said,
as I highlighted, will any of the candidates
for for the president,
and, you know, that's commander in Chief demonstrate
a true understanding of the problems in in
of the Department defense? Highlighting that... I don't
think they're even to address
like the video we just saw. Or the
reality of where we're coming from, especially the
overlaps of foreign policy in Israel large and
so on, You also highlight the idea of
of somebody standing up in promotion that Donald
Trump arguing that they're gonna suspend the rid
of He corpus.
And this... So over overlapping all of this
and the idea that we're seeing that the...
Not just the left, not just the right,
you know, the the the government
is acting in a lot of ways dishonest.
We see now. We have people stepping in
from the pair... The 2 party illusion perspective
it's coming in to say... And this is
the whole thing or or it's q add
on or whatever else. Arguing that, well, we're
the good guys. It's sort of like a
micro chasm of the larger way that they
duck for policy. So we'll just suspend things
that are sacred in order because we're gonna
go after the bad guys. But is that
really the reality of that situation, You know?
And then, you know, just kind of just
end on the idea of As you highlighted,
complex cy don't typically consist of a single
narrative. They involve both primary negative and counter
narrative. And as in my opinion you're hired
the 2 party illusion there. So all those
points to say at the end, we're talking
about an upcoming election that we can see
that our government is not what we are
always told it was. And that I see
that already happening within the 2 party illusion
dynamics. So, you know, you can go after
any of those points you want. The point
is just where you see this going with.
You look at. Let me tackle 1 of
those that I think is incredibly important, And
then I
I thought was actually quite disgusting. And that's
a guy who basically like, I can't remember
the
his name, but he's... He's a candidate. You
know, he's running for office. And he basically
said,
I'm a christian and therefore it's okay if
we,
suspend the rid of H corpus. Mh.
And and I, I just... As someone who
was at Christian, you know, IIII
thought that was ridiculous, But what I also
found
extremely disheartening is
that very ridiculous statement. That that dangerous statement
was met with Thunder applause.
From those who were there. Those are going
after the bad guys. Right? That's absolutely. That's
and I thought and I thought that guy...
Like, A statement like that because this is
in a in a prepared speech. I mean,
this is not something that you just stated
off the cuff, Re could come back later
and say, hey, I kinda miss mistake, like
I was... I wasn't clearly thinking. Now this
is in a prepared speech.
And a state... Like, a single statement like
that, In my mind, should sync someone's
do candidacy. He he should've have been... Laughed
off the stage. Right, and and and and
escorted it out in shame. Because what he's
saying is,
because I'm a good guy and I'm right,
And maybe
maybe there are people who even say, hey,
listen. I I might even kind of agree
with some of your ideas. Mh. But you're
talking about
suspending other people's
rights. Right. You know, that are that are
protected by the constitution. So I thought that
was incredibly dangerous. And
the reason I chose to highlight and something
that I posted is because
we see people like that, almost act in
a in a tribal way. Mh. And so
this goes back also to kinda what I
was saying with complex Si ups. So
It's not a complex sign up. It's not
just about. I'm gonna give you this narrative,
and I'm gonna think possible to get you
to believe it. It's it it's much deeper
than that. It's
I'm gonna give you this narrative, and a
lot of people are gonna believe it. But
there are people who are a little bit
more sophisticated in their thinking.
They going to recognize that that is an
untrue narrative,
and then they're going to move to something
else. And when they do, I am going
to be waiting with an alternative
narrative that will catch a lot of those
people. You know? Right Because, yep, they're smart
enough and they're sophisticated enough and they're thinking,
That they will recognize the initial the primary
narrative. Mh. But then they'll fall for the
counter narrative. And while they fall for the
counter narrative, they will be laughing at those
who've fell for the primary narrative. And I
think that this is a...
This is is a tactic that is used
all the time. I mean, we see this
all the time. And What I tell people
is listen.
When you were presented with a person, it
could be a political candidate or whomever. When
you're presented with a person or you were
presented with an event or you presented with
a political party or an idea or whatever
or an narrative. Mh.
You don't have to feel obligated to either
accept or reject that initially. Right? You can
pause.
You can say, hey, This is a complex
situation. I don't necessarily know. It's very nuanced.
Mh.
Let me let me... What other cor?
Information, either confirms or denies this or whatever,
but but just pause because there are very
smart people, you know, court turner has done
a lot of great work with, like,
organizations like, like the Institute. You know? Right.
And I... I've said to people kind of
joking before that if you've never heard of
that. If you don't know have a stock
just to understand that they know you. But
right. But there are these these these these
social engineers. Mh. And they know. To I
mean, they they have just a ton of
data. Right? I mean they just they know
how to put something out there to the
public. They know that narrative will capture a
certain percentage of the public. But then they
know that a certain percentage of the public
will
gravitate elsewhere, and they're gonna be ready to
catch those in in a second net. Hundred
percent. And I, you know, hear that ladies
and gentlemen, you're allowed to say I don't
know and leaf thing they are. Right? Like,
that's not always screaming. Is it we're we're
driven to choose these binary, you know, multi
choice even, but choose at a time when
maybe, you know, you're only being given half
the information. You know? Yeah. Go ahead You
guys... Yeah. I was gonna say... So then
here's what happens. Right? Well So you're caught
in 1 of those 2 nets. And, I
mean, in theory, there could be a third
net. I mean, of course, it can get
very, very complex. But
if you're on team a, because you've decided
that whatever this narrative is you you buy
into it. Now you're on Teammate.
If you reject it, you're in rapid opposition
to it. Now you're on Team B. If
you are on Team a,
you must
oppose
and perhaps even dislike or to test or
even hate everybody who's on Team b. Mh.
And vice versa. And I I know I'm
being overly simplistic here. But I think people
can see that that that is that... Or
type of instrumentation is used that
instrumentation by these narrative engineers is used very
frequently to get people to divide. So 30
percent. If if, you know, if people don't
necessarily understand or know what is what is
meant by the term you know, like, like,
dialect or dialect of proposition. Again, you can
just kinda think of it as, like,
like a strategy of tension or divide and
conquer. I mean, even that is is a
is a way to kinda understand what's going
on it as well. Yeah. I mean, I
I actually don't think it's over simplistic. I
mean, here's a great example that I've used
many times is you have...
As at at I forget the exact time
to started, but it both kind of separate
in a little way, but we had at
the same time we saw Q on. Then
we saw Russia gate. Mh. Right? And we
saw these from different sides of the paradigm,
which I think is an illusion. Right? It's
all your government. And I think what this
showed me is the ultimately each Side of
this
were convincing people that it was, no, No.
The government's on your side, but from a
different side of it. And and and there's
insiders that are on your side by and
the bad ones inside. So just trust them.
Right? And so from the same thing from
Russia gate, it was though we're weeding out
the ones that are influenced by the fully
empower, but we're are the good ones trying
to show you the bad ones. So it's
a it's different, but the same ultimate point
was trust, the government, the good ones for
And so you had... I saw this as
sort of, like this. It drove them around
to connect behind the 2 party paradigm. Like,
they thought they were so extreme around, but
they ended up basically coming the same conclusion
thinking they were pointing at different things. And
that is exactly the point. And I think
that so they they they lay out this
trap and then you reflex go to the
other side it. And I think that's so...
I mean, maybe everything we're dealing with. You
know? And I think that's very important to
think about. Whether it's about just deciding that
I'm not gonna make a decision right now.
I don't think I have all the information.
And or, you know, or any number of
other things choosing to just pick the options
in front of you or is the easiest
way to get manipulated. And I think that
brings us to the election point is we're
in a position where we're going, oh, here
are the left. Right? Candidates. You get 1
or 2 choices. Well, maybe you have a
third thrown in there. But they're all kind
of in the same game. Mh. And we
need to recognize that there's always a lot
more people that run for president. There's a
lot of different choice out there or maybe
that your vote doesn't even actually translate to
the outcome. And yet we all go through
this cycle. I mean, some of us do.
I think I don't. But you speak to
if you want. It's a it's a fantastic
question.
And and I know it's 1 that people
get emotionally attached to. Mh. And and there's
AAA lot of people in the military or
the veteran community,
you know, truly believe that they they fought
for the rights that we have. And if
you don't elect then you are, to some
degree you are attacking the san entity of
that process.
And and I don't think that's an entirely
invalid position. Mh.
I think
we should look at that there with a
little bit more nuance, though,
which is
Personally, I don't feel that anybody is is
ob... Or should feel obligated to play in
a game that is completely rigged. Okay. I
don't think you should feel obligated to do
that. Now if you believe that the game
is completely rigged,
and you still believe that you you maybe
have a duty to... Still participate
in that electoral process. I can understand that.
Mh. But I also think
I also think that opting out
in and of itself, a type of casting
a vote. Hundred percent. You know? And this
is where extension comes in where they they
wanna give you that option anymore. They should
be that option. So so so first of
all, I think that that you... You are
making a choice and to some degree you
are making your choice
known. Do I agree with the point you
just made. Mh.
So let's let's get get that out there.
And I know that that's gonna wrestle against
some people I know I mean, you got.
You got a very smart audience. And so
they they may understand that. But there are
people that I work with, people that I
respect. And I know they disagree with me
on this point. And and and I at
least, I can understand and I can appreciate
why.
But I do think that
I have a very bleak view of our
electoral process. And in fact, I'll I'll go
1 step further, and I'll say,
something that I personally have not spoken a
lot about.
Is January sixth. And here's why. It's not
that I
am not bothered by what happened. It's not...
That that's not the... That's not the issue.
It's not that I don't think there are
a lot of crazy things that happened in
20 20 election. It's that
I did I didn't already think that our
elections were free and fair. Begin with. Mh.
And in fact, I think a lot of
what happened in 20 20 was them
basically showcasing
you, American voter. You have no power here.
Mh. I think it was part of...
I think it was there was a there
was AAAA whole
intentional gas lighting
approach that was taken there with that. You...
Or would you say that connects to the
larger thing we were just talking about? It's
not an American politics, but it's something bigger
at outside. Yeah. I would agree Think So
So for me,
again, so for people, let's say, you know,
you are a... Let's say you're a Trump
supporter.
And you voted for Trump in the 20
20 election, and you therefore
feel
you know, completely... You feel that your rights
have been a sale, because you believe that
the election was stolen. Mh. I wouldn't necessarily
disagree with you. But
but what I would say is,
again,
I don't think our elections have been free
or fair a very long time. Right. So
Right. So I think that was deliberately planned
and was going to be done. And I
think that there is an entire you know,
gas lighting drive behind that as well. And
I think it's to showcase
you, American voter, you don't have the power
that you think you do. Yeah. Well, so
you would you argue that... What you're saying
is we... Yes, we all agree that the
election is stolen, but it's not from 1
side of the other. You're all being stolen.
I think it's bigger than that. Right. Yes
right. So I don't think him and this
is this is probably gonna piss a lot
of people off.
I don't think the Democrats democrat stole the
election. Mh. I think it's bigger than that.
Right. Yeah. And I've and and I think
it's it's
there was a facade.
It's been there for a very long time.
Mh. And they kind of allowed us to
peek behind the curtain not fully. Right. But
they allowed us to peek behind the curtain
and see something
And people are mis what they have seen.
Interesting. That makes sense. Yeah Well, this is
the engine in fall kind of conversation. If
we look at that way that we're... They
were being edged along into something. You know,
we're taking the bait, you know, whether that's
through the Covid 19 conversation, the the world
economic forum, the Who. Like, I see that
kind of happening where being led in the
direction to kind of come to the conclusion
that we need the change that they're presenting
for us. I think 100 percent, I think
or So I think this is all kinda
wrapped up with Covid, because I it's infinitely
bigger than. Right? But but when you look
at Covid, I think...
And I thought this for about, you know,
2 years or so now. But I think
to some degree,
Covid is an opt that was designed to
fail. Mh. But by... Failing, it actually succeeds.
Okay? There was a type of failure that
was baked into the the cake of the
operation So to speak and that
that eventually,
the truth was going to emerge, but not
because it just couldn't be contained and it
was just going to organically emerge. Mh but
because they were going to eventually allow it
to emerge. And that when it does, what
will happen is a lot of kind of,
like, institutional collapse, And sure. They may throw
us fauci or some other people that's always
here. They were always expendable to begin with.
You know because his fauci is not a
major power player. He's he's an Aaron boy.
Right?
But the... What happens when Americans realize, I
mean, I I can't trust my doctor. Mh.
And I can't trust my child school teacher,
and I can't trust. The university that I
was gonna send my, you know, young adult
child too. Mh. And I can't I I
can't trust the military that my other child
wanted to join or, you know, or whatever.
And, I can't trust
whatever,
I can't trust the church that I was
going to for a long time because it
it it completely, you know... So what happens
when Americans have this,
multi
factorial
loss of faith Mh. In their institutions. And
if those collapse, Don't have to completely collapse.
But if there is at least a a
collapse of some or multiple of these institutions
in whole or in part,
or what happens then when the when the...
The new system is then brought in to
bring the
Life. The the solution that we didn't know
we needed. Exactly. Right? Yeah. I completely agree.
And, you know, and whether that is explicitly
what we're highlighting, I still think it's happening.
Like, I think it's exactly what's going on.
And... You know, and this is so it's
hard... For a lot of average people that
don't really immerse themselves in this because it
very well may look like the solution that
fixes the problem. You know?
But we need to always... And this goes
back to the same thing you're were just
highlighting. It's it's the the it's, you know,
proper action solution. The idea of saying here
is the thing. And... But here's the other
thing. You know, and the... And so you
can... I
pick either 1 of them and it still
takes you down that path. You know? And
I think that's really what this ends up
being. I'm hoping just people can stand back
and realize that there's never just 2 choices.
Right? There's infinite choices. There are lots of
different paths you can take, and I think
we're being coached into that exactly like you
described. And that's a terrifying reality. Let me
say something on that. Too.
Because I I do like to be hopeful.
I'm not a I'm not a a black
pill type guy or 1 of these guys
that says all hopeless. I I think that's...
I agree. I think that's quite dangerous. And
I think that's actually
a, a response that they hope to provoke
in a certain subset of the population. Right
Right? Right?
But I do think that there are things
that are going to look like victories. Mh.
That are not necessarily victories because they are
permitting these things to happen. Give have an
example?
Well, okay. Just kind of what I was
going to with this,
with this potentially what we're seeing of of
the emergence of what a lot of us
have known all along with the with the...
A of, you know, the Covid data. Whether
it's either
you know, the fact that hitting shots were
never early vaccines to begin with or whether
it's a the fact that hey a lot
of people were actually harmed by these shots
or or whatever you wanna call? Okay. Lockdown
downs were never necessary, you know, kinda of
pick any variety of that, but the I
think it's quite conceivable
that they could actually allow the emergence of
that to come out. Yeah. And that that
will cause
a lot of
individuals, but relatively, you know, minor players, like
Fauci. And Fauci is a minor player. Yeah.
I think even Bill Gates,
is is relatively, you know, a minor player
when it comes to the way things really...
Yes. Yeah. Agree. Which means they're completely expendable.
Right? Right. And so
So they they may or may not know
that. I don't know. I don't know. But
they may or may not know that themselves.
But in any case,
but if you if you say,
Okay. Like these fauci hearings that just happened.
Like, oh, yes. Finally, you know, like, if
you latch onto that,
and you think that's it's that it's a
victory, you know, it it it may not
necessarily be a victory. Yeah. Or what we
talked about, you know, a year and a
half ago with the 20 23 Nda, which
halted the Covid shot mandate for the military.
A lot of people held that as a
victory. And and I will I will say
to you
I'm glad that it stopped the mandate, and
I'm glad that it salvage their careers of
people who are in the process.
Of having their cases ad educated and potentially
were going to be kicked out of the
military and they weren't
because that mandate went into effect
before they were booted. So it salvage some
careers. That's true.
But
I'm not gonna concede that overall that it
was a victory because I think it was
a strategic move on their part. Yeah. And
I'm not 1 of these people. I do
not whoever, you, you know, is the man
or or men behind the curtain because it
may more than 1, you know, group or
what I don't know. Mh. And there's probably
some factual in fighting which whoever these organizations
are, they have a lot of control.
But whoever, you know, this person or people
may be,
they are not incompetent. I do not believe
that the people kinda orchestrating this are Mh
incompetent.
I think they're...
Very smart. I think they have a lot
of resources at their disposal. I think it
layers beneath them,
that's where you see incompetence. And maybe even
to some degree that's uses a smokes screen?
Yeah. To kinda hide those who may be
more powerful that are behind them? So is
there corruption in government? Yes, Of course. Is
there, you know, a a like,
bureaucracy that duplicates effort and even replicates effort
is totally a... You know, inefficient for sure.
But I don't think
corruption is an adequate des distributor for what
we're seeing. You know, Yeah. When you say
corruption to me, that's like, people taking bribes,
Mh cutting corners,
you know, ne. Now none of that is
good. I'm not I'm not defending any of
that. Mh. But what I'm saying is is
that barely scratches the surface of what we're
seeing. I completely agree. And so the to
to what to what you said a moment
ago go to end on a positive note.
You know, III do think that despite all
of that, we're interestingly. And I and I've
said this this my personal opinion, I think
it stems from
the way is real handled this after October
seventh to kinda just blew up everything they
were working on. I do think that wasn't
necessarily planned after October seventh. For knowledge aside,
that I think we're in an interesting moment
in time with with your accountability, ma'am, with
with all these things that we're talking about
where we have an opportunity here that I
don't think is actually...
You know, it very well could be another
engineered, you know, control demolition if you will,
kind of scenario. Mh. But I think we
have this opening where people are seeing things
that make the establishment uncomfortable think we have
situations where not the fauci. But legitimate
at least within a statehood
perspective, legitimate positions of power that I potentially
more than at least ever seen could be
held for something we're talking about. Couldn't genocide
and so on. That I think that we
have this positive moment where we might be
able to change things and at least even
in a... Positive step, a small step. And
I think that's something we need to fix
aid on to recognize that we have that,
at the very least whether things change politically
from our government perspective or not that the
amount of awareness that's being generated here about
you're talking about. Mh. Can be marshal in
the change some down the future. And I
think that's a positive moment. And I... What
do you think about that? I'm very curious
about what's gonna happen with the whole What
Israel situation. When I say that, what I
mean is is perceptions of people in the
west about what's going on there. And I
do see a lot of people who probably
were uncomfortable doing so now criticizing the actions
of the Israeli government. Right? And again, and
I I know you're you're you're quick to
make this. Distinction and it's a great distinction
because, you know, you said a couple times
and I have 2,
today that
government in country. Those aren't synonyms are not
exactly the same thing. Right. Well, that applies
for Americans, but also applies for Israelis. Exactly.
So, you know, nobody, but I know this
happens, you know, accusations, you know, run wild,
but nobody should ever accuse you me anybody
else of having any any sort of, you
know, hatred or ill will towards
Israelis because the actions of their government. Exactly
because we've we've spent an hour and a
half now criticizing our own government. And saying,
that doesn't equal the actions of the people.
Right?
So... And you'll find a lot of examples
of that is israel real right now. Oh,
won't we absolutely. Yeah. So I do think
that what we're seeing is
I I do not believe
that we should feel compelled to
unconditionally support,
you know, any
government,
particularly a foreign government. I don't I even
feel that about our own government. Right. I
don't know anyway feel compelled to unconditionally support
my government. Right. On every single thing that
it does
regardless of the context in which a certain
action is taken. Yeah. Or the consequences of
it, you know, etcetera, etcetera. Mh. So,
unfortunately, I'll just Echo will said earlier about
with the with the situation.
In Ukraine,
you know, you got real people on both
sides that are being harmed
by the actions of, I would say, pretty
sinister folks on on on both sides. Yeah.
Know I agree. And I do think that
there's
there are mechanisms of control that are kinda
controlling, you know, both sides there too. Mh.
On and
I do believe it is undeniable
to admit even for those who are stubborn
and don't necessarily wanna do so. But I
it's undeniable, to admit that hey, listen.
All is not as it seems in in
this whole situation that has
that occurred in October or has come forward
in time between October and now. Right. Right.
Exactly. Yeah. I mean, I definitely I, my...
I'm working. Extensive on that topic deck you
guys somehow include some links. I think it's
important to question all this stuff. And question
what I'm presenting as well, Don't just blindly
follow anybody's opinions. Of course. It's I'll I'll
end with a quote here that I think
kind of encapsulates what we you would just
said there at the end, and it's something
I've rep referenced many times.
Yeah. What... It always... Had to preface that
just because you quote somebody does not mean
you believe and endorse everything ever said, which
is the funny thing of today. But, Theodore
Roosevelt said, to announce that there there must
be no criticism of the president. Or that
we are to stand by the president right
or wrong, is not only on patriotic and
sur, but it's morally treason to the American
Public, and I would just extrapolate that out
to not just a president, but your government
in general. The argument should be clearly that
it's it's almost in your patriotic duty. To
question to push back against her government against
your president and not just passively choose a
side and high 5 and based on whatever
happens because your side's winning. You know, that...
That's where I think we are right now.
So I think, you know, this is such
an important conversation. I really appreciate you coming
out and and sitting down and talking about
all this because, you know, you're you're you're
a powerful voice in all this. You know,
what you've been through and what you're still
standing for as I said before is very
courageous, and I hope people will take the
time to look at your work, I'll include
in in the show notes, it's definitely your
your subs stack, and, the different things you've
been writing, I think it's powerful. And, you
know, just to end in general, anything you
wanna leave on around this conversation, any thoughts
you had any upcoming events you wanna talk
about or, you know, just final thoughts. Yeah.
Yeah. Thanks for that. You know, I appreciate
that. So if people wanna find me, I
know you'll the links. But if people wanna
find me, there are 2 principal locations where
you can find me. So 1 is on
my Twitter that we've referenced a couple times.
The others on my subs which you just
mentioned, and
the I do try to write some of
my, kind of long form of thoughts there
on my subs people can just find it
brad Miller, 1 0 dot subs dot com.
For events. So I have done some work
with
children's health defense over the past, I guess,
over a year now, a little bit over
a year. And
I do some work with the the fairly
new
military chapter Okay children's health defense. And so
that was launched officially in October of last
year.
And we do some great work there just
for some people who
were largely, they were trying to resist the
mandate and they were looking for resources information.
They found children's self defense. Right. So that's
been that's been great. III like a lot
of the work that people kind of at
the ground level of really doing there, and
we actually do have an event that's gonna
be held in Charlottesville Virginia. Right. Over labor
day weekend. So it's gonna be held specifically
on 08/31/2024,
in Charlottesville Virginia. And you don't necessarily have
to have any any affiliation with the military
I mean the military chapters for anybody who
cares about what's going on in the military
and understands the important link between what happens
in the military in the country as a
whole. But,
people can look into that. I I've got
flyers that I presented on my on my
etcetera on it, But people can also just
find the website for that organization at
MIL, so mil dot children's health defense dot.
Or... But that's an event that we have
coming up. And
whenever we have updates for the military accountability
movement, we,
We also,
a lot of times broadcast that on on
Twitter, etcetera. Mh. And the last thing that
I'll mention is
I also do some work with
doctor James Lance wei. Mh. I know you're
familiar with at a website that he run,
which is called ipa ipad dash e. So
pack is an acronym that stands for
Institute for pure and applied knowledge. So IPAK
But, ipa ipad dash e u dot org
is a website for
curious open minded adults who are looking to
just kind of educate themselves on, you know,
empower themselves through learning
and and and finding a community of like,
minded individuals. So I've got courses there that
I have taught or other things that I'm
that I'm working on, but people can go
to dash edu d u dot org. And
can find an entire catalog of probably 35
or more. Different courses of a variety of
topics, and it's for people who are not
content with you know, brick and mortar institutions
in their, you know, education platforms
or just, you know, I've had trouble finding
communities of people who are looking to kinda
get themselves smart to, kinda better understand how
to operate and make decisions in this world.
Yeah. I'm a big fan of that platform
in general. And, you know, it makes sure...
If you have any any links you wanna
send over include them in the show. Okay.
I do... I love the idea of, you
know, going a different path out of the
the structured schooling system that we have or
whether even the work they're doing with peer
view process, and I Love all the work
they're doing. I think it's important to challenge
the systems that we have currently. You know?
So thank you again for being here, man.
I think that this has been a a
really important conversation and just I hope you
all will make sure you check out the
the different the points we discussed today, the
work that he's doing on both the subs
Twitter and and the the the...
I think it was a memo or or
a letter of accountability. Yeah declaration military. Yeah.
III think that's an important thing to be
discussing today as we as we highlighted whether
it applies to foreign policy or their upcoming
election. I just love that you're challenge this
stuff, man. I do think you're making a
big impact with people. So thanks again for
being here. Yeah. Thanks and and, great to
be here in studios, So, you, Really, really.
First 1. First 1 in the studio.
I'm honored.
Alright, guys. Thank you again for being here.
And as always question everything. Come to your
own conclusions. Stay vigilant.