1 00:00:00,185 --> 00:00:00,225 - 2 00:00:23,335 --> 00:00:25,305 - Welcome to the last American Vagabond. 3 00:00:25,305 --> 00:00:26,665 Joining me today is Sal, 4 00:00:26,685 --> 00:00:29,225 the agist from the popular channel pla, uh, 5 00:00:29,335 --> 00:00:32,825 account on Twitter to discuss some important ways 6 00:00:32,825 --> 00:00:33,945 that he uses memes 7 00:00:34,165 --> 00:00:36,985 and humor to reach people with important truth. 8 00:00:37,085 --> 00:00:39,385 And something that I find to be very important 9 00:00:39,485 --> 00:00:40,545 in the conversation today. 10 00:00:40,545 --> 00:00:41,785 I've had a similar conversation 11 00:00:41,785 --> 00:00:44,425 with Jimmy Dor in the past about using his comedy 12 00:00:44,565 --> 00:00:46,385 to reach people, things that are important. 13 00:00:46,685 --> 00:00:48,345 And I co I've talked about this many times, 14 00:00:48,445 --> 00:00:50,665 and how it, it almost disarms people 15 00:00:50,725 --> 00:00:52,905 and it, it, it allows them to accept things, 16 00:00:53,335 --> 00:00:54,985 even if they don't really agree with it, 17 00:00:55,055 --> 00:00:56,665 because they're laughing about it. 18 00:00:56,815 --> 00:00:58,625 That would later come up in conversation 19 00:00:58,625 --> 00:01:00,265 that actually might change their perception. 20 00:01:00,265 --> 00:01:01,745 And I think this is very, very powerful. 21 00:01:01,965 --> 00:01:03,665 And I also wanna talk to him about the idea 22 00:01:03,665 --> 00:01:06,105 of the two party illusion and the way he seems to be able 23 00:01:06,105 --> 00:01:08,345 to see through some of the partisan manipulations out there, 24 00:01:08,345 --> 00:01:11,265 which I also, as you well know, find monumentally important. 25 00:01:11,285 --> 00:01:13,065 So, Sal, it's always a, it's a pleasure to have you on. 26 00:01:13,065 --> 00:01:14,265 How are you? Good. 27 00:01:14,325 --> 00:01:15,825 - How are you? Thank you for having me. 28 00:01:16,175 --> 00:01:17,865 - Good. It's good to meet you. Good to meet you in person. 29 00:01:17,865 --> 00:01:19,305 Haven't actually got a chance to meet you 30 00:01:19,305 --> 00:01:20,865 before, so it's good to have this conversation. 31 00:01:21,845 --> 00:01:24,345 So, I'd like to start with, you know, your work in general, 32 00:01:24,525 --> 00:01:25,945 you know, so I'm not gonna put words in your mouth. 33 00:01:25,945 --> 00:01:27,985 This is what I perceive from what your work is on Twitter. 34 00:01:28,085 --> 00:01:29,945 So, you know, what are your, what's your perception of 35 00:01:30,565 --> 00:01:32,705 the left right paradigm, the two party illusion? 36 00:01:32,965 --> 00:01:36,025 And, you know, if you do feel like you're on one side of 37 00:01:36,025 --> 00:01:38,425 that, how are you able to see through some 38 00:01:38,425 --> 00:01:39,865 of these partisan division tactics 39 00:01:39,865 --> 00:01:42,185 that I think it's very difficult for people within 40 00:01:42,185 --> 00:01:43,705 that paradigm to be able to see through. 41 00:01:44,445 --> 00:01:46,545 - So there's, there's a left wing and there's a right wing, 42 00:01:46,645 --> 00:01:49,065 and I'm sort of out there trying to shoot this bird out 43 00:01:49,065 --> 00:01:51,585 of the sky is, geez, what I'm trying to do, . 44 00:01:51,585 --> 00:01:54,465 That's the way I look at it. I'm a, I'm an anarchist. 45 00:01:54,485 --> 00:01:57,465 I'm an egoist, which is, um, uh, we, we subscribe 46 00:01:57,525 --> 00:02:01,065 to a version of market anarchism where we believe that, uh, 47 00:02:01,985 --> 00:02:05,185 peaceful, um, entrepreneurial non-compliance is 48 00:02:05,185 --> 00:02:06,225 the only path forward. 49 00:02:06,555 --> 00:02:08,865 There is no political solution to this mess. 50 00:02:08,925 --> 00:02:13,585 We are essentially run by a, uh, gang of gangs, mob of mobs, 51 00:02:13,585 --> 00:02:14,945 as Murray Rothbard put it. 52 00:02:15,445 --> 00:02:18,865 And really the only answer is counter economics, peaceful, 53 00:02:18,865 --> 00:02:20,385 entrepreneurial, non-compliance. 54 00:02:20,525 --> 00:02:21,665 So, yeah, 55 00:02:21,745 --> 00:02:23,705 I certainly don't buy into the left right paradigm. 56 00:02:23,745 --> 00:02:24,745 I think it's all nonsense. 57 00:02:25,045 --> 00:02:28,065 And, uh, my whole goal is to promote agom 58 00:02:28,245 --> 00:02:30,225 and, uh, anarchism. 59 00:02:31,455 --> 00:02:32,865 - Well on. So, on those notes in general, 60 00:02:33,025 --> 00:02:34,785 'cause I mean, I talk, I've talked a lot in the past about 61 00:02:34,785 --> 00:02:38,425 anarchism and the, the shocking misunderstanding of pe 62 00:02:38,425 --> 00:02:40,025 of people that even try to understand it, 63 00:02:40,025 --> 00:02:42,945 and especially the intentional, dishonest framing of it 64 00:02:42,945 --> 00:02:44,905 as chaos by, by the governments and so on. 65 00:02:45,205 --> 00:02:47,305 So, explain what those are for people in your eyes, 66 00:02:47,755 --> 00:02:49,945 Ariss first and then, and, and anarchism, and, 67 00:02:49,945 --> 00:02:52,185 and how, in, in which one do you gravitate more? 68 00:02:52,185 --> 00:02:54,465 Or do you see them as similar go, gimme that breakdown. It. 69 00:02:54,495 --> 00:02:56,465 - It's funny that you say that because I think it was Tom 70 00:02:56,465 --> 00:02:58,785 Woods who said, uh, you know, one 71 00:02:58,785 --> 00:03:01,085 of the state's greatest achievements was, 72 00:03:01,085 --> 00:03:02,085 and I'm paraphrasing, one 73 00:03:02,085 --> 00:03:04,445 of the state's greatest achievements, was convincing people 74 00:03:04,705 --> 00:03:08,125 to fear the word anarchy and love the word government. 75 00:03:08,385 --> 00:03:10,645 And, uh, he's absolutely right. 76 00:03:10,785 --> 00:03:13,245 So, anarchism is basically just no government. 77 00:03:13,265 --> 00:03:14,805 And of course, anybody who's familiar 78 00:03:14,805 --> 00:03:17,045 with the movement knows it's a very fractured 79 00:03:17,045 --> 00:03:18,205 and splintered movement. 80 00:03:18,205 --> 00:03:20,445 There's a thousand different schools of anarchism. 81 00:03:20,715 --> 00:03:24,565 There's anarcho this anarcho that as a ris we sort 82 00:03:24,565 --> 00:03:26,525 of differ in a, in a, a number of ways. 83 00:03:26,985 --> 00:03:28,805 Um, number one, we don't believe 84 00:03:28,805 --> 00:03:30,245 that there's a political solution, 85 00:03:30,245 --> 00:03:34,525 whereas you'll often find an caps, um, running for office 86 00:03:34,665 --> 00:03:36,725 or stuff like that and, and things like that. 87 00:03:37,105 --> 00:03:38,325 You might see it Agora too. 88 00:03:38,325 --> 00:03:40,045 But we're, if we're, if we do do something like that, 89 00:03:40,045 --> 00:03:41,325 it's only to mock the system. 90 00:03:41,545 --> 00:03:43,445 Um, it's never to actually, you know, 91 00:03:43,515 --> 00:03:45,005 it's never a serious attempt. 92 00:03:45,785 --> 00:03:48,565 But, um, generally we believe in entrepreneurship. 93 00:03:48,785 --> 00:03:51,445 You know, we look at people like, we look at the success 94 00:03:51,445 --> 00:03:55,325 that Satoshi Nakamoto has had in promoting financial freedom 95 00:03:55,785 --> 00:03:59,165 versus these bills to, uh, audit or end the Fed. 96 00:03:59,165 --> 00:04:00,765 Right? They can't even get a, a bill passed 97 00:04:00,785 --> 00:04:02,525 to audit the Fed, let alone end the Fed. 98 00:04:02,755 --> 00:04:05,445 Meanwhile, Satoshi Nakamoto really did 99 00:04:05,445 --> 00:04:06,725 provide us with an alternative. 100 00:04:06,945 --> 00:04:08,645 And, you know, similar examples exist. 101 00:04:08,755 --> 00:04:11,045 Cody Wilson did the same with a 3D printed gun. 102 00:04:11,505 --> 00:04:13,685 He essentially ended the gun control debate. 103 00:04:14,265 --> 00:04:17,805 Um, Russ Ulbricht essentially established the world's first 104 00:04:17,875 --> 00:04:20,405 ever free market, truly free market in the 105 00:04:20,405 --> 00:04:21,445 history of mankind. 106 00:04:22,145 --> 00:04:25,045 Um, so we look at the success of people like that, 107 00:04:25,305 --> 00:04:27,405 and we think to ourselves, you know, 108 00:04:27,405 --> 00:04:29,165 maybe a free world actually is possible. 109 00:04:29,585 --> 00:04:33,405 And, uh, the best way to do that is to, you know, not, 110 00:04:33,585 --> 00:04:36,365 you know, vote or, or promote a candidate or, 111 00:04:36,425 --> 00:04:38,885 or canvas a neighborhood or man a phone bank, 112 00:04:38,945 --> 00:04:41,765 or to donate your money to a political party, God forbid, 113 00:04:41,765 --> 00:04:42,845 something crazy like that. 114 00:04:43,545 --> 00:04:44,965 You know, we believe that, uh, 115 00:04:45,105 --> 00:04:47,725 and by the way, I do the same thing at 3D printer. 116 00:04:47,825 --> 00:04:50,245 Go Bird. Not to, you know, shameless plug here, 117 00:04:50,305 --> 00:04:53,245 but we, we sell and, and 3D printers 118 00:04:53,245 --> 00:04:56,765 and 3D printing supplies to people for cryptocurrency 119 00:04:57,785 --> 00:04:59,725 in the hopes that this makes it a little bit easier 120 00:04:59,905 --> 00:05:01,685 to defeat these gun laws. 121 00:05:01,985 --> 00:05:04,045 Uh, so we, a lot of our sales are for crypto 122 00:05:04,105 --> 00:05:05,685 and to, you know, these gun free zones. 123 00:05:05,705 --> 00:05:08,085 So the idea is to use innovation 124 00:05:08,105 --> 00:05:10,085 and entrepreneurship to disrupt the state 125 00:05:10,115 --> 00:05:12,445 that really is the only way forward. 126 00:05:12,745 --> 00:05:14,125 And one last point real quick. 127 00:05:14,405 --> 00:05:16,205 A lot of people will say, you know, we have to have a, a, 128 00:05:16,285 --> 00:05:17,485 a revolution instead. 129 00:05:17,585 --> 00:05:20,125 Uh, we need to, we need to get out there and, 130 00:05:20,125 --> 00:05:21,685 and go head to head with the military. 131 00:05:22,305 --> 00:05:24,325 We think this is a poor idea for a number of reasons. 132 00:05:24,885 --> 00:05:27,045 Violence really never works, right? 133 00:05:27,185 --> 00:05:30,805 Um, in terms of revolutions, the, the, the man, uh, 134 00:05:30,985 --> 00:05:33,165 the last man standing, the guy holding the sword 135 00:05:33,265 --> 00:05:36,805 who has beheaded the tyrant simply becomes the next tyrant. 136 00:05:37,425 --> 00:05:38,765 So we don't think that works either. 137 00:05:38,985 --> 00:05:41,525 And, you know, countless historical examples exists, right? 138 00:05:41,545 --> 00:05:44,445 So, again, you know, so Gore was started 139 00:05:44,445 --> 00:05:48,485 by Samuel Edward Con, uh, who died in 2004. 140 00:05:48,545 --> 00:05:50,085 He wrote a couple of books on the subject. 141 00:05:50,325 --> 00:05:51,885 I wrote a couple of books on the subject. 142 00:05:52,705 --> 00:05:54,925 Um, I know somebody that you guys are familiar with, 143 00:05:54,925 --> 00:05:56,765 Derek Bros has also written on this. 144 00:05:57,065 --> 00:05:59,245 So, um, you know, I encourage people 145 00:05:59,245 --> 00:06:00,365 to check all that stuff out, 146 00:06:01,055 --> 00:06:02,055 - Right? 147 00:06:02,055 --> 00:06:03,445 Right. Derek, as part of the last American vagabond, 148 00:06:03,445 --> 00:06:05,445 and we've talked a lot about the, a ariss 149 00:06:05,465 --> 00:06:06,725 and his belief in that, you know, 150 00:06:06,725 --> 00:06:08,925 and this is honestly where a lot, a lot of that has come 151 00:06:08,925 --> 00:06:10,405 that I picked up is come from Derek. 152 00:06:10,425 --> 00:06:12,165 And, and that, that side of the conversation, which I, 153 00:06:12,165 --> 00:06:13,565 I find very important. 154 00:06:13,685 --> 00:06:17,285 I, I avoid kind of like the plague, any label in general, 155 00:06:17,555 --> 00:06:18,805 just for obvious reasons. 156 00:06:18,905 --> 00:06:20,965 But, you know, I've, I I've pointed out, you know, 157 00:06:21,005 --> 00:06:22,365 I think it's easy for people to place a lot 158 00:06:22,365 --> 00:06:24,445 of my mindset in this exact overlap, you know? 159 00:06:24,665 --> 00:06:27,125 And so it's interesting though, in regard to these, the, 160 00:06:27,145 --> 00:06:28,405 the few things that you highlighted. 161 00:06:28,545 --> 00:06:32,485 Do you have any concern about how they may be like, 162 00:06:32,805 --> 00:06:35,365 I don't think anybody can debate that these, you know, 163 00:06:35,365 --> 00:06:37,205 whether we're talking like a Bitcoin or a Silk Road 164 00:06:37,205 --> 00:06:38,245 or these kind of conversations, 165 00:06:38,275 --> 00:06:40,205 that we could utilize these things 166 00:06:40,225 --> 00:06:41,805 to circumvent the power structures. 167 00:06:41,805 --> 00:06:43,725 But are you worried that these things were simply 168 00:06:43,825 --> 00:06:46,285 as some people have highlighted, just manipulations 169 00:06:46,285 --> 00:06:48,525 to get ahead of that coming out of what we're trying to do? 170 00:06:49,075 --> 00:06:50,365 - There's no doubt about that. 171 00:06:50,705 --> 00:06:53,485 Um, I look at this, this small block debate within the 172 00:06:53,485 --> 00:06:56,245 cryptocurrency community, which I've been outspoken about. 173 00:06:56,505 --> 00:06:58,205 And, uh, there's no doubt 174 00:06:58,205 --> 00:07:00,005 that the Feds had their hands all over this. 175 00:07:00,195 --> 00:07:03,125 They intentionally agitated the crypto community 176 00:07:03,185 --> 00:07:07,165 to keep blocks small in order to make Bitcoin less efficient 177 00:07:07,225 --> 00:07:09,845 and less of a threat to the Federal Reserve notes. 178 00:07:10,705 --> 00:07:12,365 Uh, they knew what they were doing. 179 00:07:12,365 --> 00:07:13,965 There's no doubt about that in my mind. 180 00:07:14,185 --> 00:07:15,965 So you're, they're, you're not wrong. 181 00:07:16,025 --> 00:07:17,365 But I think at the end of the day, 182 00:07:17,675 --> 00:07:19,405 they're fighting a, a losing battle. 183 00:07:19,405 --> 00:07:20,485 They're swimming upstream, 184 00:07:20,485 --> 00:07:21,565 they're swimming against the current, 185 00:07:21,565 --> 00:07:22,925 and it's, it's, it's not gonna work. 186 00:07:23,545 --> 00:07:24,805 We have too many tools out there. 187 00:07:24,875 --> 00:07:28,205 Once, once the white paper was released, that game was over. 188 00:07:28,305 --> 00:07:29,685 You know, now we have Monero 189 00:07:29,745 --> 00:07:31,165 and, uh, you know, 190 00:07:31,205 --> 00:07:33,285 a million different cryptocurrencies to choose from. 191 00:07:33,385 --> 00:07:38,085 So they can't, um, they, they, they can fight, 192 00:07:38,145 --> 00:07:39,125 but they can't fight forever, 193 00:07:39,225 --> 00:07:41,005 in other words, you know what I mean? Right. 194 00:07:41,485 --> 00:07:43,485 - I actually wrote an article about that a while ago, 195 00:07:43,505 --> 00:07:45,165 and I'm, I'm by no means an expert, 196 00:07:45,165 --> 00:07:47,725 or even that ve verse when it comes to, you know, 197 00:07:47,745 --> 00:07:49,725 the deeper parts of crypto cryptocurrency 198 00:07:49,745 --> 00:07:50,765 or specifically Bitcoin. 199 00:07:51,025 --> 00:07:53,445 But I remember reading an article from somebody who was, 200 00:07:53,585 --> 00:07:54,845 and the breaking down of how 201 00:07:54,845 --> 00:07:56,165 that was artificially being held. 202 00:07:56,305 --> 00:07:57,725 I'm like, well, that seems very obvious, 203 00:07:57,795 --> 00:07:59,165 like right in the beginning. 204 00:07:59,465 --> 00:08:01,085 And it made sure that it, like, 205 00:08:01,085 --> 00:08:02,245 exactly like you described, right? 206 00:08:02,245 --> 00:08:03,765 That it was being artificially held up. 207 00:08:04,105 --> 00:08:06,965 And I mean, we can see the, the kind of byproducts of that, 208 00:08:07,145 --> 00:08:09,365 but I'm, I'm glad to see that it's broadened out. 209 00:08:09,465 --> 00:08:11,485 But I mean, there's a lot of very clear, not 210 00:08:11,485 --> 00:08:12,925 to focus too much just on cryptocurrency, 211 00:08:12,945 --> 00:08:16,245 but since we bring it up, a lot of very clear apprehension 212 00:08:16,505 --> 00:08:18,525 around how, you know, the digital dollar 213 00:08:18,625 --> 00:08:20,925 and the digital currency in general conversation, 214 00:08:20,925 --> 00:08:22,445 which are not necessarily the same thing, 215 00:08:22,445 --> 00:08:23,725 but they're all digital currencies, 216 00:08:23,725 --> 00:08:25,085 whether they're cryptocurrency or not. 217 00:08:25,845 --> 00:08:28,445 I get why people are very worried about stepping into that. 218 00:08:28,665 --> 00:08:29,845 You know, where's your mindset on that? 219 00:08:29,865 --> 00:08:32,205 Do you think that right now I, that, you know, 220 00:08:32,205 --> 00:08:34,685 using it from within to sort of like, things like Minero, 221 00:08:34,685 --> 00:08:37,125 for example, to push back against what they're trying to do? 222 00:08:37,125 --> 00:08:39,085 Or do you see that as a trap itself? What do you think? 223 00:08:39,425 --> 00:08:41,325 - You know what, I think that they're gonna come out 224 00:08:41,325 --> 00:08:43,085 with cbd dcs and, and mm-Hmm. 225 00:08:43,125 --> 00:08:45,285 . And they're going to prosecute everybody in 226 00:08:45,285 --> 00:08:46,005 the cryptocurrency 227 00:08:46,005 --> 00:08:47,405 community that they can get their hands on. 228 00:08:47,405 --> 00:08:51,645 They're gonna impose more stringent, uh, KYC requirements, 229 00:08:51,825 --> 00:08:53,405 and then they're gonna shut down exchanges. 230 00:08:53,405 --> 00:08:56,925 But at the end of the day, uh, via orris, 231 00:08:56,975 --> 00:08:58,125 again, it's only us. 232 00:08:58,195 --> 00:09:01,125 It's only via Orris. We're gonna be there providing that, 233 00:09:01,275 --> 00:09:03,405 that entrepreneurial black market solution. 234 00:09:03,595 --> 00:09:06,645 Look, what we've done with these local peer-to-peer uh, 235 00:09:06,965 --> 00:09:10,765 exchanges, they just shut down, uh, local Monero, um, 236 00:09:10,765 --> 00:09:12,525 they took it off the app store or something like that, 237 00:09:12,525 --> 00:09:13,925 because they know it's a threat. 238 00:09:13,955 --> 00:09:17,605 It's unstoppable. We have decentralized exchanges out there, 239 00:09:17,905 --> 00:09:20,165 um, that are just, you know, 240 00:09:20,165 --> 00:09:21,685 these are running in a voluntary fashion. 241 00:09:21,715 --> 00:09:23,005 They can't shut all of them down. 242 00:09:23,005 --> 00:09:24,125 They can do what they can't. 243 00:09:24,275 --> 00:09:26,405 They can't stop people from having VPN. 244 00:09:26,405 --> 00:09:27,845 So, at the end of the day, if you want, 245 00:09:27,845 --> 00:09:30,165 if you really are determined to have your financial freedom, 246 00:09:31,035 --> 00:09:32,725 it's becoming increasingly difficult 247 00:09:32,755 --> 00:09:34,805 because they're, they know that their, 248 00:09:34,815 --> 00:09:37,645 their monopoly on the issuance of currency is in jeopardy. 249 00:09:38,265 --> 00:09:40,045 So they're, they're clamping down. 250 00:09:40,045 --> 00:09:42,325 They're doing everything that they possibly can to protect. 251 00:09:42,505 --> 00:09:44,245 And of course, let's be honest, 252 00:09:44,385 --> 00:09:46,405 if we had a monopoly on the issuance of money, 253 00:09:46,785 --> 00:09:47,925 we wouldn't want to give it up either. 254 00:09:48,065 --> 00:09:51,245 You can't, we can't reasonably expect this cartel of banks 255 00:09:51,705 --> 00:09:53,365 to just hand over this power. 256 00:09:53,585 --> 00:09:55,965 So, right. Um, we have to do it, 257 00:09:56,025 --> 00:09:57,885 and it's not gonna happen violently. 258 00:09:58,155 --> 00:09:59,685 It's not gonna happen through legislation. 259 00:09:59,745 --> 00:10:03,045 It has to happen the same way that, um, 260 00:10:03,235 --> 00:10:05,285 Netflix put blockbuster out of business. 261 00:10:05,375 --> 00:10:08,525 Right? It has to happen like the same way that like, uh, 262 00:10:09,305 --> 00:10:12,725 you know, your digital camera sort of made Kodak obsolete. 263 00:10:12,725 --> 00:10:14,805 And like, that's the only way it's gonna happen. 264 00:10:14,945 --> 00:10:17,805 And it, it has to happen, uh, soon 265 00:10:17,805 --> 00:10:19,765 because it's really gotten out of hand. 266 00:10:20,105 --> 00:10:21,685 Who wants to pay for these wars? 267 00:10:21,685 --> 00:10:24,005 Who wants to pay for these, these genocides 268 00:10:24,025 --> 00:10:27,125 and, uh, the murder of Russian teenagers? 269 00:10:27,155 --> 00:10:28,245 I've never met these people. 270 00:10:28,325 --> 00:10:29,405 I don't have any problem with these people. 271 00:10:29,505 --> 00:10:31,525 Why would I want to pay to kill them? Mm-Hmm. 272 00:10:31,565 --> 00:10:32,805 or, you know, all the, 273 00:10:32,805 --> 00:10:34,245 the horrible stuff in the Middle East 274 00:10:34,305 --> 00:10:36,405 or Nancy Pelosi's stock portfolio. 275 00:10:36,905 --> 00:10:37,925 I'm not paying for that shit. 276 00:10:37,945 --> 00:10:40,485 And the only way to do that is to avoid the, 277 00:10:40,505 --> 00:10:41,685 the inflationary tax. 278 00:10:41,825 --> 00:10:43,925 And you have to stop using dollars to do that. 279 00:10:44,065 --> 00:10:46,245 So the only alternative is, as far 280 00:10:46,405 --> 00:10:48,085 as I see it, is cryptocurrency. 281 00:10:48,765 --> 00:10:50,005 - I, and I wholeheartedly agree, 282 00:10:50,005 --> 00:10:51,365 and I've been saying this for a long time, 283 00:10:51,365 --> 00:10:52,725 and I think it's an obvious choice, 284 00:10:52,785 --> 00:10:55,205 and just, we have to just be, not all are created equal, 285 00:10:55,205 --> 00:10:57,205 and we have to be very skeptical about what we lean into. 286 00:10:57,205 --> 00:10:59,845 Right. But like, taking your example about the Kodak, 287 00:10:59,945 --> 00:11:01,445 you know, I, I don't think things like 288 00:11:01,445 --> 00:11:02,685 that happen naturally anymore. 289 00:11:02,965 --> 00:11:05,565 I think that like, you're to the point with Bitcoin exactly. 290 00:11:06,035 --> 00:11:09,165 They, it's artificial from like, in e like business, 291 00:11:09,255 --> 00:11:11,485 let's just put it like this in a fascistic kind of concept. 292 00:11:11,575 --> 00:11:12,645 We've seen the blending 293 00:11:12,645 --> 00:11:14,405 of corporate entities with the government. 294 00:11:14,465 --> 00:11:15,845 So they're now completely, 295 00:11:16,345 --> 00:11:18,365 or the public private partnership going global. 296 00:11:18,425 --> 00:11:19,805 You know, like with World Economic Forum, 297 00:11:19,995 --> 00:11:22,845 there's a thousand ways they can stifle the things they 298 00:11:23,085 --> 00:11:24,365 don't want and produ and, 299 00:11:24,385 --> 00:11:26,925 and rise up even using social media as it is today. 300 00:11:27,565 --> 00:11:29,685 Anything they wanna produce or, or support. 301 00:11:30,025 --> 00:11:31,245 And so how do we get past that? 302 00:11:31,245 --> 00:11:32,965 Do you have any thoughts on that? Because if you're talking 303 00:11:32,965 --> 00:11:35,325 about just the people leaning into it, 304 00:11:35,795 --> 00:11:37,965 then you talk about the idea of creating barriers. 305 00:11:38,075 --> 00:11:39,565 Well, you can't use a VPN 306 00:11:39,565 --> 00:11:41,805 because we're gonna make it a face scan 307 00:11:41,805 --> 00:11:42,845 to use the internet, right? 308 00:11:42,845 --> 00:11:43,845 I mean, this is where they're 309 00:11:43,845 --> 00:11:44,925 going and they're telling you that. 310 00:11:45,105 --> 00:11:46,165 So where do you see the way 311 00:11:46,165 --> 00:11:47,205 to get around that kind of stuff? 312 00:11:47,805 --> 00:11:50,405 - I think that this is a, a battle that's been waged 313 00:11:51,165 --> 00:11:53,285 historically between the state and, and the market. 314 00:11:53,585 --> 00:11:56,325 And I think historically, we always win. 315 00:11:56,705 --> 00:11:58,645 You know, we were talking the other day, I was talking 316 00:11:58,645 --> 00:12:02,125 with a friend of mine about, um, uh, how they're, 317 00:12:02,125 --> 00:12:04,965 they're gonna make this sort of, um, they're gonna be able 318 00:12:04,965 --> 00:12:08,605 to use quantum technology to sort of, uh, break down the, 319 00:12:08,625 --> 00:12:10,325 the cryptography behind the blockchain. 320 00:12:10,325 --> 00:12:13,885 Like it's the, the, the quantum, uh, I forget 321 00:12:13,885 --> 00:12:15,005 what the exact word he was using, 322 00:12:15,065 --> 00:12:16,605 but the, they're, they should be able 323 00:12:16,605 --> 00:12:18,485 to finally break the cryptography. 324 00:12:18,485 --> 00:12:19,765 And then we started thinking about it. I said, well, 325 00:12:19,765 --> 00:12:21,165 you know what, we're gonna have quantum resistant 326 00:12:21,165 --> 00:12:22,645 blockchains, right? 327 00:12:22,785 --> 00:12:25,365 So, like, you know, we're always gonna be one step ahead 328 00:12:25,365 --> 00:12:27,045 of them, and they're gonna be, they're gonna make, uh, 329 00:12:27,115 --> 00:12:30,725 efforts to sort of step in front of us and block our paths, 330 00:12:30,725 --> 00:12:32,045 and we'll find ways around that. 331 00:12:32,105 --> 00:12:33,765 And it's, is this constant game. 332 00:12:34,345 --> 00:12:36,365 But the idea is, is if you, 333 00:12:36,365 --> 00:12:39,805 you're constantly being noncompliant civilly disobedience. 334 00:12:39,805 --> 00:12:42,085 Mm-hmm, , like in the, in the, in the sort of, 335 00:12:42,185 --> 00:12:45,485 uh, tho sort of sense of the word, you just refuse 336 00:12:45,485 --> 00:12:48,205 to just peacefully non-compliant with the nonsense. 337 00:12:48,675 --> 00:12:50,165 There's always a way around it. 338 00:12:50,165 --> 00:12:51,645 If you find it, it might not be easy, 339 00:12:51,825 --> 00:12:53,205 it might not be always safe, 340 00:12:53,665 --> 00:12:55,845 and there will be different levels of risk involved, 341 00:12:55,865 --> 00:12:57,245 and it's up to the individual 342 00:12:57,505 --> 00:13:00,125 to determine their own personal risk tolerance. 343 00:13:00,905 --> 00:13:05,765 But, um, for someone who is passionately, um, opposed, 344 00:13:05,995 --> 00:13:08,405 morally, opposed, opposed to, uh, 345 00:13:09,085 --> 00:13:12,685 participating in this fraudulent slave system, then, uh, 346 00:13:12,775 --> 00:13:13,925 there is a way out. 347 00:13:14,015 --> 00:13:15,805 There is a way out. That's the whole point. 348 00:13:16,185 --> 00:13:20,445 You're, you know, as long as there is a a means, then, uh, 349 00:13:20,445 --> 00:13:22,125 if you're determined enough, you can make it happen. 350 00:13:22,265 --> 00:13:25,925 And that, um, we have to, we have to give thanks for, 351 00:13:26,185 --> 00:13:30,685 and we owe so much to the people who have sacrificed so much 352 00:13:31,395 --> 00:13:35,165 like Cody Wilson, who's been prosecuted unjustly 353 00:13:35,225 --> 00:13:38,405 by the state, like Satoshi Nakamoto, who God only knows 354 00:13:38,405 --> 00:13:42,405 what happened to him or her, or them, or Julian Assange 355 00:13:42,545 --> 00:13:43,645 or Ross Ulbricht, 356 00:13:43,665 --> 00:13:46,525 and all these people who have sacrificed so much who have 357 00:13:46,725 --> 00:13:49,125 provided us with an, with a viable alternative. 358 00:13:49,125 --> 00:13:52,605 Finally, we just, we just owe, we just owe so much to them. 359 00:13:53,445 --> 00:13:54,525 - I hundred. I agree completely. 360 00:13:54,545 --> 00:13:55,845 And I think that's the central 361 00:13:55,945 --> 00:13:57,285 reason that these things worked. 362 00:13:57,285 --> 00:13:59,125 They're sort of like an egalitarian kind 363 00:13:59,125 --> 00:14:00,165 of, you know, just, here it is. 364 00:14:00,505 --> 00:14:01,845 No, you don't need to give me anything. 365 00:14:01,875 --> 00:14:03,325 Like, their benefit comes from 366 00:14:03,325 --> 00:14:04,405 me trying to change the world. 367 00:14:04,545 --> 00:14:06,925 You know? And I, I, I hope that continues. 368 00:14:07,005 --> 00:14:09,645 I feel like we're in a time where that's been squeezed out, 369 00:14:09,645 --> 00:14:11,605 people at least trying to pressure the, you know, 370 00:14:11,605 --> 00:14:14,525 as a society that that's not the direction we should take. 371 00:14:14,525 --> 00:14:16,605 You know? And so that's what I worry about is for 372 00:14:16,605 --> 00:14:17,765 that stuff to work going forward. 373 00:14:18,705 --> 00:14:20,525 You know, like, you made an excellent point there, 374 00:14:20,525 --> 00:14:22,085 and I, I make this about DeepFakes. 375 00:14:22,265 --> 00:14:23,965 The, the argument for the government is there's just, 376 00:14:23,965 --> 00:14:25,085 there's just no way they catch up. 377 00:14:25,085 --> 00:14:27,205 Because by the time they figure out ways to prove it, 378 00:14:27,205 --> 00:14:29,885 the people that are doing it are so far ahead that, 379 00:14:29,885 --> 00:14:32,405 you know, and it's this, this cycle where, you know, I, I'm, 380 00:14:32,585 --> 00:14:33,925 by the way, I'm surprised that hasn't become 381 00:14:33,965 --> 00:14:35,005 a more prominent conversation. 382 00:14:35,045 --> 00:14:36,285 I think it will probably this election. 383 00:14:36,625 --> 00:14:39,045 But the idea of what you just talked about is 384 00:14:39,045 --> 00:14:41,165 that the quantum computing is that I, you know, 385 00:14:41,165 --> 00:14:42,605 they're trying to do that, which is, 386 00:14:42,605 --> 00:14:44,285 I think we all saw coming, like eventually they're gonna 387 00:14:44,285 --> 00:14:46,005 find ways to be able to not, you know, see 388 00:14:46,005 --> 00:14:47,605 through the anonymization and so on. 389 00:14:47,625 --> 00:14:50,045 But would it end up being, like, 390 00:14:50,045 --> 00:14:52,645 the point I guess I'm making is the people that are able 391 00:14:52,645 --> 00:14:54,725 to create the blockchain resistant 392 00:14:54,825 --> 00:14:57,525 or quantum computing resistant blockchain, they would have 393 00:14:57,525 --> 00:15:00,085 to make sure that became usable immediately 394 00:15:00,085 --> 00:15:02,885 to all the average people, or it would become another back 395 00:15:02,885 --> 00:15:05,005 and forth step that would take years, you know, where the p 396 00:15:05,005 --> 00:15:07,085 and that, my point is that if we allow that opening 397 00:15:07,105 --> 00:15:08,125 for the average people, 398 00:15:08,765 --> 00:15:09,965 I don't think it's like it was before. 399 00:15:10,045 --> 00:15:11,405 I think we're gonna fall into some kind 400 00:15:11,405 --> 00:15:12,605 of technocratic panopticon, 401 00:15:12,605 --> 00:15:14,005 and there's not gonna be any way out of that. 402 00:15:14,445 --> 00:15:15,845 I think that's kind of the whole design. 403 00:15:16,185 --> 00:15:18,365 So, do you know anybody working on this? 404 00:15:18,365 --> 00:15:20,085 And I, I didn't wanna focus on it this whole time, 405 00:15:20,085 --> 00:15:21,245 but I'm so fascinated by this. 406 00:15:21,465 --> 00:15:23,245 Is there anybody working on this stuff that you know about? 407 00:15:23,265 --> 00:15:24,405 And is that the way that they see it, 408 00:15:24,405 --> 00:15:26,685 that it's gonna be like post online somewhere 409 00:15:26,915 --> 00:15:28,645 that everybody can use and they understand it? 410 00:15:28,665 --> 00:15:30,605 Or is it gonna be monetized? You know, 411 00:15:31,215 --> 00:15:33,285 - There are a number of developers working on it. 412 00:15:33,485 --> 00:15:34,525 I think, um, I've met, 413 00:15:34,555 --> 00:15:38,285 I've heard Charles Hos hoskinson from, uh, Carano, um, 414 00:15:38,285 --> 00:15:40,445 and IOHK talk about this a number of times. 415 00:15:40,965 --> 00:15:42,885 I dunno if it's an active project that they have going 416 00:15:42,885 --> 00:15:45,445 or up, but I, um, you know, part of the problem is 417 00:15:45,445 --> 00:15:47,965 that the state is now prosecuting these people. 418 00:15:48,255 --> 00:15:52,205 Right? Just, uh, last week, the developer at Tornado Cash 419 00:15:52,745 --> 00:15:55,645 was thrown, was given like a, a five year sentence, 420 00:15:55,725 --> 00:15:58,725 I believe, by a Dutch court in the Netherlands, for simply 421 00:15:59,385 --> 00:16:00,725 he was convicted of money laundering. 422 00:16:00,725 --> 00:16:01,965 All he did was write a protocol. 423 00:16:02,145 --> 00:16:05,925 He had no ability to prevent people from using it in a way 424 00:16:05,925 --> 00:16:07,485 that they deemed illegal. 425 00:16:08,025 --> 00:16:10,405 Yet he was convicted for money laundering. Um, 426 00:16:10,465 --> 00:16:12,245 - The money launderer is convict him of money laundering. 427 00:16:12,245 --> 00:16:13,325 That's that's fantastic. Yeah. 428 00:16:13,445 --> 00:16:16,045 - I know, right? Exactly. Which, which is, it cracks you up 429 00:16:16,045 --> 00:16:18,005 because they say, well, you know, this is used 430 00:16:18,005 --> 00:16:19,005 for illicit purposes. 431 00:16:19,705 --> 00:16:21,205 No currency has been used 432 00:16:21,205 --> 00:16:23,765 for illicit purposes more than the US dollar Exactly. 433 00:16:24,105 --> 00:16:25,605 Any of their fiat currencies, frankly. 434 00:16:25,785 --> 00:16:27,845 But it's, it's just absolutely absurd. 435 00:16:27,945 --> 00:16:31,445 And it just goes to show you, you know, they're so scared 436 00:16:31,905 --> 00:16:33,045 of cryptocurrency. 437 00:16:33,105 --> 00:16:36,205 And the cryptocurrency community, by the way, Richard, uh, 438 00:16:36,205 --> 00:16:37,765 Richard Hart, Roger Ver, 439 00:16:38,185 --> 00:16:42,445 all the crypto six from New Hampshire, uh, Ian Freeman 440 00:16:42,485 --> 00:16:45,205 and those guys, there's a reason Ross Ulbricht, 441 00:16:45,205 --> 00:16:47,245 there's a reason why they're coming after these people. 442 00:16:47,275 --> 00:16:49,485 It's because they know the real, they're not coming 443 00:16:49,485 --> 00:16:51,085 after people from the Libertarian party. 444 00:16:51,415 --> 00:16:54,285 Right. They're not coming after, you know, people, you know, 445 00:16:54,305 --> 00:16:56,565 inside Congress, these small government Republicans, 446 00:16:56,675 --> 00:16:58,885 they're coming after ISTs. 447 00:16:58,955 --> 00:17:02,485 They're focusing on the cryptocurrency community. 448 00:17:02,665 --> 00:17:04,045 And Julian Assange 449 00:17:04,225 --> 00:17:07,205 and the 3D printed community, 3D printed gun community, 450 00:17:07,745 --> 00:17:10,325 that's who these laws are targeting, right? 451 00:17:10,425 --> 00:17:14,685 So, like, you know, if you wanna know who the most, uh, 452 00:17:14,925 --> 00:17:17,525 efficient members on your front line are, look to see 453 00:17:17,525 --> 00:17:20,205 where the enemy is focusing their fire. 454 00:17:20,415 --> 00:17:22,525 Right. They're focusing in on theorist. Right. 455 00:17:22,525 --> 00:17:24,045 Because that's where the true threat is. 456 00:17:24,595 --> 00:17:27,205 - Exactly. Exactly. So let, let's talk about that in regard 457 00:17:27,205 --> 00:17:29,245 to Aism and, and anarchism and, 458 00:17:29,245 --> 00:17:30,285 and these different concepts. 459 00:17:30,945 --> 00:17:32,205 So I've, I've, 460 00:17:32,315 --> 00:17:34,805 I've tried many times in fact having like long form 461 00:17:34,805 --> 00:17:39,125 conversations about like how we would realistically roll 462 00:17:39,125 --> 00:17:40,645 that kind of thing in like, I mean, 463 00:17:41,025 --> 00:17:42,045 I'm sure you've talked about this 464 00:17:42,045 --> 00:17:44,285 and how near impossible it would be 465 00:17:44,285 --> 00:17:46,205 with the way society sees the world, the way 466 00:17:46,205 --> 00:17:48,485 that they understand, they think they do about the di the, 467 00:17:48,505 --> 00:17:51,205 the te the flows of dy, the dynamics of government 468 00:17:51,205 --> 00:17:53,445 and how it would work in regard to your rights. 469 00:17:53,445 --> 00:17:54,725 Like if they, like James Corbett, 470 00:17:54,725 --> 00:17:55,845 and I've had the conversation, you know, 471 00:17:55,845 --> 00:17:56,925 with the suddenly roof, 472 00:17:56,925 --> 00:17:58,485 the government who's gonna build the roads, like 473 00:17:58,485 --> 00:17:59,805 that old joke, you know, and it's like, well, 474 00:17:59,805 --> 00:18:01,125 we do the same people that do now. 475 00:18:01,185 --> 00:18:02,725 You know? And it's, it's a, it's a lack 476 00:18:02,725 --> 00:18:04,965 of understanding about what government really is. 477 00:18:05,505 --> 00:18:07,405 So, do you have a mindset, like, 478 00:18:07,405 --> 00:18:08,685 I know this is a huge conversation, 479 00:18:08,705 --> 00:18:11,485 but if you've got a, a perce perspective on 480 00:18:11,505 --> 00:18:14,965 how you would ultimately roll that out to a population 481 00:18:14,965 --> 00:18:17,085 that's been so drenched in the idea of statism 482 00:18:17,105 --> 00:18:19,005 for their entire lives, something, 483 00:18:19,005 --> 00:18:20,845 whether we're talking aism or anarchism 484 00:18:20,845 --> 00:18:22,965 or some variation therein, how is that possible? 485 00:18:22,965 --> 00:18:25,045 Do you see it being possible, a future without 486 00:18:25,175 --> 00:18:26,285 government control? 487 00:18:27,065 --> 00:18:28,325 - Not only do I think it's possible. 488 00:18:28,445 --> 00:18:31,165 I think that it's inevitable. Um, I, I think 489 00:18:31,165 --> 00:18:32,605 that the collapse of the state is, 490 00:18:32,605 --> 00:18:33,685 is simply a matter of time. 491 00:18:33,925 --> 00:18:36,205 I don't know. You know, we, it's, it's difficult 492 00:18:36,205 --> 00:18:39,925 to say when, but, um, it's, it's an unstable way 493 00:18:40,225 --> 00:18:41,645 of running a society. 494 00:18:41,645 --> 00:18:43,805 Governments don't last very long historically. 495 00:18:44,025 --> 00:18:48,005 Mm-Hmm, . Um, the idea is that the governments 496 00:18:48,005 --> 00:18:50,365 that are overthrown vis-a-vis counter economics, 497 00:18:50,595 --> 00:18:51,925 usually don't ever come back. 498 00:18:52,235 --> 00:18:55,325 It's the ones that are overthrown with violence that do, um, 499 00:18:56,585 --> 00:18:58,635 yeah, I do think a free society's possible. 500 00:18:58,635 --> 00:19:00,795 And I think that you, there's, there's, it's not 501 00:19:00,795 --> 00:19:03,915 that you necessarily roll it out to society 502 00:19:04,155 --> 00:19:06,075 'cause there's no one to do the rolling out, right. 503 00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:08,355 It's just, it's just sort of like a collapse of the state 504 00:19:08,355 --> 00:19:10,635 that, that comes about vis-a-vis black 505 00:19:10,635 --> 00:19:11,835 market entrepreneurship. 506 00:19:12,465 --> 00:19:15,355 It's happened before. Um, you know, but 507 00:19:15,355 --> 00:19:17,195 - So, so right there though, how do you, so right there, 508 00:19:17,195 --> 00:19:18,835 obviously in history, as we pointed out, 509 00:19:18,835 --> 00:19:21,395 you're gonna see power structures vie for 510 00:19:21,515 --> 00:19:22,595 that control, right? 511 00:19:22,595 --> 00:19:24,395 And I mean, that's the real example of a vacuum. 512 00:19:24,535 --> 00:19:25,915 Not the idea that governments, 513 00:19:25,915 --> 00:19:27,755 that the gov the US government occupy aren't 514 00:19:27,755 --> 00:19:28,835 gonna retake their own territory. 515 00:19:28,895 --> 00:19:31,035 It, you know, the idea that it's all the baggage, it's 516 00:19:31,035 --> 00:19:32,155 what we, that's exactly what they do. 517 00:19:32,155 --> 00:19:34,515 They're gonna swoop in, people will be salivating 518 00:19:34,515 --> 00:19:35,555 about the opportunities, right? 519 00:19:35,555 --> 00:19:37,395 So how do you squeeze in there and make that happen? 520 00:19:38,135 --> 00:19:39,875 - So the idea is, let's say that there's this, 521 00:19:40,125 --> 00:19:42,875 there is a successful, um, ago revolution, 522 00:19:42,875 --> 00:19:44,035 and now we have no government. 523 00:19:44,175 --> 00:19:46,435 The, the idea is, well, the question is how do we stop a, 524 00:19:46,435 --> 00:19:50,035 uh, the next, you know, gang of bandits from swooping in 525 00:19:50,035 --> 00:19:51,075 and taking control, right? 526 00:19:51,075 --> 00:19:54,435 And the, the idea is in a, we would eventually, if you read 527 00:19:54,435 --> 00:19:56,635 what Conran wrote in the new Libertarian manifesto 528 00:19:56,925 --> 00:19:58,875 where he lays all this out, the idea is 529 00:19:58,955 --> 00:20:02,035 that we would have these private defense agencies, um, 530 00:20:02,415 --> 00:20:05,715 who focus on who are, who work on a, uh, you know, 531 00:20:05,715 --> 00:20:07,515 regular competitive market. 532 00:20:07,735 --> 00:20:08,955 You know, there's no monopoly, 533 00:20:09,055 --> 00:20:10,395 no government issued monopoly. 534 00:20:10,585 --> 00:20:12,915 They're simply working based on their own efficiency, 535 00:20:13,375 --> 00:20:16,875 and they would defend from these gang of bandits. 536 00:20:17,055 --> 00:20:18,195 And we think 537 00:20:18,195 --> 00:20:20,155 that would be a much more efficient way of doing it. 538 00:20:20,295 --> 00:20:22,355 Mm-Hmm. , uh, we're not there yet, though. 539 00:20:22,355 --> 00:20:25,035 We don't have, we don't have a private defense agency 540 00:20:25,035 --> 00:20:27,315 that's able to compete with the government 541 00:20:27,935 --> 00:20:29,475 yet, but we're getting there. 542 00:20:29,775 --> 00:20:31,115 Um, could 543 00:20:31,115 --> 00:20:32,435 - Just talk about militias in the same way 544 00:20:32,435 --> 00:20:33,835 that we talk about from the constitution 545 00:20:33,835 --> 00:20:34,835 perspective, you know, that like, 546 00:20:34,835 --> 00:20:35,475 just . Yeah. But 547 00:20:35,585 --> 00:20:36,585 - Yeah. 548 00:20:36,585 --> 00:20:38,195 But militias are sort of different than, than this. Mm-Hmm. 549 00:20:38,235 --> 00:20:39,395 militia is sort of like a sort 550 00:20:39,395 --> 00:20:42,395 of voluntary band of people, sort of, um, it's, it's more 551 00:20:42,395 --> 00:20:44,675 of a mutualist concept, a militia Mm-Hmm. 552 00:20:44,715 --> 00:20:46,635 what we're talking about is something more in 553 00:20:46,635 --> 00:20:49,165 the long, long lines of what Dale Brown is doing in Detroit. 554 00:20:49,755 --> 00:20:51,525 Okay. Um, uh, or, 555 00:20:51,625 --> 00:20:54,725 or, uh, we saw there were other examples coming out 556 00:20:54,725 --> 00:20:57,885 of Texas a few years ago where they had this, um, app, 557 00:20:58,485 --> 00:20:59,965 I can't think of the name of the top of my head, 558 00:20:59,965 --> 00:21:01,645 but it was like in, it's like, if you were in trouble, 559 00:21:01,645 --> 00:21:03,565 you would go on the app and send out an alert 560 00:21:04,185 --> 00:21:07,525 and, you know, your community would get a, a, a notification 561 00:21:07,525 --> 00:21:08,845 and they would swoop in to like, 562 00:21:08,905 --> 00:21:10,325 see what's up and see were okay. 563 00:21:11,155 --> 00:21:15,335 Like, but, uh, Dale Brown, um, I'm forgetting the name 564 00:21:15,335 --> 00:21:17,815 of the organization, of course, now that he works with, 565 00:21:17,815 --> 00:21:20,535 it's something in Detroit and it's got like a funky name 566 00:21:20,535 --> 00:21:22,335 to it, but he's like literally providing like 567 00:21:22,335 --> 00:21:23,775 private security to people. 568 00:21:24,515 --> 00:21:26,615 And, and we also see it in the courts, right? 569 00:21:26,615 --> 00:21:28,375 We see, uh, arbitration and, 570 00:21:28,435 --> 00:21:31,575 and, uh, mediation taking an increased percentage 571 00:21:32,155 --> 00:21:34,375 of court cases away from the state. 572 00:21:34,555 --> 00:21:35,895 And I think this is a wonderful thing. 573 00:21:36,045 --> 00:21:38,175 Also, smart contracts, by the way, on, on the, 574 00:21:38,175 --> 00:21:40,655 on the blockchain, on decreasing demand 575 00:21:40,915 --> 00:21:42,055 on state court systems. 576 00:21:42,235 --> 00:21:44,415 So we think that it can be enforced more 577 00:21:44,415 --> 00:21:46,735 efficiently vis-a-vis the private market. 578 00:21:46,995 --> 00:21:49,015 And, uh, I think history's on our side 579 00:21:49,675 --> 00:21:53,215 and, uh, you know, the government does nothing efficiently. 580 00:21:53,245 --> 00:21:55,015 They can't even, they can't even write a budget. 581 00:21:55,155 --> 00:21:57,615 So, you know, I don't, I don't doubt for one second 582 00:21:57,615 --> 00:22:00,255 that once we get these private defense agencies set up 583 00:22:00,255 --> 00:22:02,535 and running, that they will function more efficiently than 584 00:22:02,535 --> 00:22:05,495 any state police force or, or military ever could. 585 00:22:06,255 --> 00:22:08,255 - I agree. And I, I think it's really hard for someone 586 00:22:08,255 --> 00:22:09,295 to make an honest case for, 587 00:22:09,355 --> 00:22:10,775 for the opposite of what you're saying. 588 00:22:10,775 --> 00:22:13,295 And I think it's really about the desperate effort 589 00:22:13,295 --> 00:22:14,615 to maintain the status quo, right. 590 00:22:14,615 --> 00:22:16,255 For the people that are invested in that status quo. 591 00:22:16,835 --> 00:22:17,655 One more question on this 592 00:22:17,655 --> 00:22:18,775 before we jump into something else. 593 00:22:18,915 --> 00:22:22,695 And I do, would you argue, let, let's just say you feel 594 00:22:22,835 --> 00:22:25,535 or decide, which I'm not saying we, I I disagree with this, 595 00:22:25,535 --> 00:22:26,895 but that somehow you recognize 596 00:22:26,895 --> 00:22:28,415 that those things are never possible. 597 00:22:28,765 --> 00:22:32,055 Just for sake of conversation, do you see a way that like, 598 00:22:32,055 --> 00:22:34,135 let's just say these same people with the same mindset, 599 00:22:34,405 --> 00:22:37,615 were able to remove, not necessarily overthrow, 600 00:22:37,675 --> 00:22:39,455 but remove the bad elements of 601 00:22:39,455 --> 00:22:40,695 what we're talking about today? 602 00:22:40,745 --> 00:22:42,175 Again, just completely hypothetical, 603 00:22:42,235 --> 00:22:45,175 do you think there would be a path forward within this kind 604 00:22:45,175 --> 00:22:47,215 of a structure with the right people in place? 605 00:22:47,275 --> 00:22:48,535 Or a way to make that happen? 606 00:22:49,675 --> 00:22:52,495 - No, no, no. I think that the, the system is, is, is, uh, 607 00:22:52,495 --> 00:22:56,975 inherently designed to protect that monopoly on the, on, on, 608 00:22:56,995 --> 00:22:58,295 on violence, right? 609 00:22:58,295 --> 00:23:00,655 Essentially, the way I sort of look at it is you sort of, 610 00:23:00,835 --> 00:23:03,295 you know, throughout history, you've had these different, 611 00:23:03,995 --> 00:23:06,015 you know, warring gangs competing for power. 612 00:23:06,355 --> 00:23:08,135 And eventually these two bans of power, 613 00:23:08,135 --> 00:23:11,775 these two rival bans decided upon, uh, you know, 614 00:23:11,775 --> 00:23:13,735 rather than kill each other, we're just gonna come to a, 615 00:23:13,735 --> 00:23:16,455 like this power sharing agreement where every four years 616 00:23:17,015 --> 00:23:19,175 I get controlled, and every four years you get controlled. 617 00:23:19,175 --> 00:23:21,215 And it's just, it's all sort of nonsense. 618 00:23:21,355 --> 00:23:24,415 But I'm, you know, it's sort of like that meme that I've, 619 00:23:24,415 --> 00:23:25,575 I've posted a number of times 620 00:23:25,625 --> 00:23:27,455 where it's like the gorilla in the zoo, 621 00:23:27,475 --> 00:23:31,335 and it's like, you know, I'm not interested in having a, 622 00:23:31,495 --> 00:23:33,015 a more benevolent zookeeper. 623 00:23:33,275 --> 00:23:35,215 I'm interested in getting back to the jungle. 624 00:23:35,435 --> 00:23:38,015 You know, I, I want, I wanna be free again, I'm, I'm really, 625 00:23:38,135 --> 00:23:40,455 I could care less about, you know, 626 00:23:40,595 --> 00:23:42,615 the strong man in the White House as, 627 00:23:42,635 --> 00:23:43,895 as Davey Crockett put it. 628 00:23:43,995 --> 00:23:45,485 I'm interested in getting rid of that, 629 00:23:45,515 --> 00:23:46,725 that White House entirely. 630 00:23:46,905 --> 00:23:49,205 And just, or as Jeff Dys says, 631 00:23:49,205 --> 00:23:50,285 we don't wanna seat at the table, 632 00:23:50,345 --> 00:23:52,165 we wanna flip the table over, you know? 633 00:23:52,165 --> 00:23:54,245 Exactly. So that's the way I see it. 634 00:23:54,845 --> 00:23:55,885 - I couldn't agree more, you know, 635 00:23:55,885 --> 00:23:57,085 and I just, it's important to try 636 00:23:57,085 --> 00:23:59,165 to flesh out these thoughts for people to better understand 637 00:23:59,515 --> 00:24:00,805 what we're talking about, you know? 638 00:24:00,805 --> 00:24:02,485 Because that's usually the mindset. 639 00:24:02,635 --> 00:24:04,245 It's like, well, why don't we just put those people 640 00:24:04,245 --> 00:24:05,445 in place now and let this work? 641 00:24:05,585 --> 00:24:07,685 So, I mean, I agree. I mean, it's a weaponized system. 642 00:24:08,125 --> 00:24:09,885 I would argue though, that I think that if, 643 00:24:10,385 --> 00:24:11,925 and you know, like, I, I've made this argument 644 00:24:11,925 --> 00:24:14,805 before about like, hypothetically, let's take a, uh, 645 00:24:15,065 --> 00:24:16,325 you know, what term would be the right team? 646 00:24:16,385 --> 00:24:18,605 Not like a, a like a idea of like a king 647 00:24:18,985 --> 00:24:21,045 and his people, you know, going back as far whatever, 648 00:24:21,205 --> 00:24:23,125 whatever you'd call that, the dictatorship, whatever. 649 00:24:23,265 --> 00:24:26,365 And so the point would be, hypothetically, if you had a king 650 00:24:26,365 --> 00:24:27,485 with absolute power 651 00:24:27,545 --> 00:24:31,635 or queen that actually cared for whatever reason, 652 00:24:31,655 --> 00:24:34,435 was the most benevolent, altruistic person alive 653 00:24:34,735 --> 00:24:36,355 and genuinely did everything he could 654 00:24:36,355 --> 00:24:38,155 to make sure everyone in his kingdom was absolutely happy. 655 00:24:38,275 --> 00:24:40,275 I mean, realistically, that'd be the best case scenario. 656 00:24:40,855 --> 00:24:43,715 Not for freedom, but the idea of a society functioning 657 00:24:43,715 --> 00:24:45,395 because the guy really does absolute power. 658 00:24:45,535 --> 00:24:46,835 Now, I'm not advocating for any, 659 00:24:47,195 --> 00:24:48,835 'cause the point would be the next person's probably not 660 00:24:48,835 --> 00:24:50,475 gonna be as benevolent, right? 661 00:24:50,805 --> 00:24:53,195 Right. But you could see how in any circumstance, 662 00:24:53,215 --> 00:24:55,235 you could make an argument that with people 663 00:24:55,235 --> 00:24:57,675 that actually cared about using whatever system 664 00:24:57,895 --> 00:25:00,715 to the maximum benefit of the people would be something 665 00:25:00,715 --> 00:25:02,315 that would end up being positive for the people. 666 00:25:02,535 --> 00:25:04,275 But I think your point, and I agree with is 667 00:25:04,275 --> 00:25:07,035 that these systems are, are rife with opportunity 668 00:25:07,495 --> 00:25:09,275 for abuse at every turn. 669 00:25:09,275 --> 00:25:10,995 And I think that's what government really is. 670 00:25:11,135 --> 00:25:14,155 And I, that's why I've always been so, you know, 671 00:25:14,465 --> 00:25:16,875 I've leaned into things like anarchism in general. 672 00:25:17,095 --> 00:25:19,395 As I've said many times in the show, it's the only ideology 673 00:25:19,395 --> 00:25:20,555 that has no place for rulers. 674 00:25:20,595 --> 00:25:22,075 I wonder why they don't like it, you know, 675 00:25:22,635 --> 00:25:23,635 - , right? 676 00:25:23,635 --> 00:25:24,435 Of course, of course. You know, 677 00:25:24,435 --> 00:25:28,355 you can absolutely establish a temporary state of mm-Hmm. 678 00:25:28,395 --> 00:25:31,555 increased liberty of maximum liberty. 679 00:25:31,575 --> 00:25:33,075 You can of a lot of liberty, right? 680 00:25:33,075 --> 00:25:34,755 This is what the American founders did. 681 00:25:34,865 --> 00:25:36,395 This is what, you know, it's happened a 682 00:25:36,395 --> 00:25:37,475 number of times through history. 683 00:25:37,575 --> 00:25:38,675 Mm-Hmm. , it's, you know, I, 684 00:25:38,755 --> 00:25:41,515 I wrote a book about this, um, the American experiment 685 00:25:41,515 --> 00:25:43,395 where it's like, one of the, the point I'm trying 686 00:25:43,395 --> 00:25:45,995 to make in the book is that the Greeks got tired 687 00:25:45,995 --> 00:25:47,635 of their government, so they overthrew them, 688 00:25:47,655 --> 00:25:49,795 and they, you know, instituted this, this new form 689 00:25:49,795 --> 00:25:51,915 of government democracy to try to limit the, the, 690 00:25:52,015 --> 00:25:53,835 the state that didn't work. 691 00:25:53,855 --> 00:25:55,915 So the Romans tried something else that didn't work. 692 00:25:55,935 --> 00:25:57,995 The American founders tried something else that didn't work. 693 00:25:58,015 --> 00:26:01,355 And it's time guys where we say, Hey, maybe the whole, 694 00:26:01,485 --> 00:26:04,755 maybe the whole idea itself is flawed of trying to find, 695 00:26:05,015 --> 00:26:07,355 you know, this Goldilocks government, as I call it. 696 00:26:07,785 --> 00:26:10,795 It's maybe, maybe that that whole search itself is flawed. 697 00:26:10,975 --> 00:26:12,755 So, Mm-Hmm, , that's the way 698 00:26:12,755 --> 00:26:13,875 we as Agora see it. 699 00:26:13,935 --> 00:26:16,595 And, you know, the, the alternative is freedom and liberty, 700 00:26:16,655 --> 00:26:18,675 and you're not gonna find that from politicians. 701 00:26:19,015 --> 00:26:21,515 You know, it's sort of like, uh, you know, it's like, 702 00:26:21,515 --> 00:26:23,675 it's like going to like the, the Marlboro factory 703 00:26:24,455 --> 00:26:25,795 in search of pulmonary health. 704 00:26:25,815 --> 00:26:27,355 You know, it's like going to McDonald's 705 00:26:27,815 --> 00:26:29,115 for like, you know, to lose weight. 706 00:26:29,115 --> 00:26:31,115 It's just not gonna happen. Right. 707 00:26:31,425 --> 00:26:33,475 - Well, so what, what would you think the first step would 708 00:26:33,475 --> 00:26:35,875 be for the average people to, to lean into that? 709 00:26:36,555 --> 00:26:37,595 Somebody who's already taking part, 710 00:26:37,645 --> 00:26:39,115 who's already feeling like they wanna 711 00:26:39,115 --> 00:26:40,235 vote for somebody in the next election? 712 00:26:40,235 --> 00:26:41,835 Like if they've, like, I like what he's saying, 713 00:26:42,265 --> 00:26:43,525 what should they start doing right now? 714 00:26:43,625 --> 00:26:45,005 If you had a, a starting point? 715 00:26:45,545 --> 00:26:49,205 - So somebody who is still, uh, into the whole political 716 00:26:49,675 --> 00:26:50,675 - Yeah. 717 00:26:50,675 --> 00:26:52,925 Say somebody who's planning to vote for, somebody's planning 718 00:26:52,925 --> 00:26:53,965 to vote for somebody right now, 719 00:26:53,985 --> 00:26:55,725 but they just heard, you're, you're laying this out. 720 00:26:55,725 --> 00:26:57,605 And they go, okay, I agree, you know, 721 00:26:57,605 --> 00:26:59,685 but how do I, what do I do? Right? What, what's 722 00:27:00,205 --> 00:27:01,205 - ? 723 00:27:01,205 --> 00:27:03,085 So they agree and they wanna get started with Aism. 724 00:27:03,625 --> 00:27:04,965 Um, a number of things. 725 00:27:05,315 --> 00:27:08,685 There's, again, it depends on your personal risk tolerance. 726 00:27:08,765 --> 00:27:10,685 A lot of people don't wanna jump deep into, you know, 727 00:27:10,735 --> 00:27:12,005 black market anarchism 728 00:27:12,025 --> 00:27:14,405 and start, you know, selling illicit goods on, 729 00:27:14,425 --> 00:27:16,685 on the silk rotor or on the dark web or something. 730 00:27:17,365 --> 00:27:19,565 A great way to get started that I tell people, 731 00:27:19,995 --> 00:27:21,245 it's just grow your own food. 732 00:27:21,595 --> 00:27:23,445 Just start growing your own food and, 733 00:27:23,545 --> 00:27:26,285 and learn how to can and stuff like that. 734 00:27:26,505 --> 00:27:28,405 And, and I think that in it's, in 735 00:27:28,405 --> 00:27:30,365 and of itself is a wonderful way to do it. 736 00:27:30,755 --> 00:27:34,165 Carl Hess, who was a greatist, had this wonderful concept 737 00:27:34,905 --> 00:27:38,685 of, um, creating your own local production facilities 738 00:27:39,155 --> 00:27:41,085 that bypass state regulations. 739 00:27:41,585 --> 00:27:43,685 And then what we do as of course, is we take the, 740 00:27:43,685 --> 00:27:44,885 the products, the fruit 741 00:27:44,885 --> 00:27:46,725 of those local production facilities, 742 00:27:47,065 --> 00:27:48,965 and we trade them in a voluntary fashion. 743 00:27:49,225 --> 00:27:52,045 So you can think of like a blockchain miner 744 00:27:52,425 --> 00:27:54,005 as a local production facility. 745 00:27:54,175 --> 00:27:57,205 We're locally producing cryptocurrency in a way 746 00:27:57,205 --> 00:27:59,125 that bypasses state regulation. 747 00:27:59,365 --> 00:28:01,845 A 3D printer does the same thing. Guess what? 748 00:28:02,025 --> 00:28:04,925 So does your garden. Your garden does the exact same thing. 749 00:28:05,345 --> 00:28:06,445 You guarantee yourself. 750 00:28:06,625 --> 00:28:09,965 No, uh, you know, um, pesticides 751 00:28:10,025 --> 00:28:12,245 and no, uh, g only knows 752 00:28:12,245 --> 00:28:13,885 what the F FDA is spraying everything with. 753 00:28:14,025 --> 00:28:15,845 So that's a great way to do it. 754 00:28:15,865 --> 00:28:19,485 If you want to earn extra, you know, agoish points, uh, 755 00:28:19,555 --> 00:28:21,565 take your stuff to a local farmer's market 756 00:28:21,625 --> 00:28:24,445 and offer it for silver coins or cryptocurrency. 757 00:28:24,625 --> 00:28:26,645 Get the community involved, right? 758 00:28:26,785 --> 00:28:30,045 Um, if you're feeling even more adventurous, 759 00:28:30,505 --> 00:28:31,965 get yourself some cryptocurrency. 760 00:28:32,685 --> 00:28:34,765 Download a a, a Bitcoin cash wallet. 761 00:28:35,265 --> 00:28:36,765 Get yourself some Bitcoin cash. 762 00:28:37,175 --> 00:28:39,725 Learn how to use it and, uh, start using it. 763 00:28:39,725 --> 00:28:42,005 Start trading it like real using it. 764 00:28:42,105 --> 00:28:44,045 Use, use it to replace your dollars. 765 00:28:44,945 --> 00:28:47,205 Um, and then the third piece of advice is, 766 00:28:47,245 --> 00:28:49,125 I would tell people is get yourself a 3D printer 767 00:28:49,345 --> 00:28:50,365 and learn how to use it. 768 00:28:50,435 --> 00:28:53,045 Because one day you might need it. 769 00:28:53,225 --> 00:28:56,885 Um, you know, if they ever come for your guns, uh, 770 00:28:57,425 --> 00:28:58,445 you don't wanna fight them off. 771 00:28:58,445 --> 00:28:59,805 You don't wanna have a shootout and die 772 00:28:59,805 --> 00:29:02,685 and leave your family unattended to give them your guns. 773 00:29:02,995 --> 00:29:04,925 Keep the 3D printer, and as soon as they're gone, 774 00:29:05,065 --> 00:29:07,885 you can have a, a, a, a fully functioning rifle within, 775 00:29:08,025 --> 00:29:10,445 you know, a day or two. So, Mm-Hmm, . 776 00:29:11,105 --> 00:29:12,925 - So if I, if I could put a fine point on it, 777 00:29:12,925 --> 00:29:15,565 what you're saying is self-responsibility, self-reliance, 778 00:29:15,865 --> 00:29:17,885 and finding ways that you can 779 00:29:17,985 --> 00:29:19,685 to circumvent the control structure, 780 00:29:19,785 --> 00:29:20,765 and I mean, I think that's exactly, 781 00:29:21,125 --> 00:29:22,165 absolutely. Yeah. I love it. 782 00:29:22,565 --> 00:29:24,765 - Absolutely. I, I break it down for people, real simple. 783 00:29:24,955 --> 00:29:26,285 Grow your own food, get a 3D 784 00:29:26,285 --> 00:29:27,445 printer, and become your own bank. 785 00:29:28,275 --> 00:29:29,765 - Yeah. Well said. I love it. 786 00:29:30,185 --> 00:29:31,565 And, you know, and what's funny is all 787 00:29:31,565 --> 00:29:32,685 of these things are in efforts 788 00:29:32,705 --> 00:29:34,645 or some way, some transitional period 789 00:29:34,645 --> 00:29:35,885 of them trying to make them illegal, 790 00:29:35,885 --> 00:29:37,285 right. Exactly. Every single one 791 00:29:37,285 --> 00:29:38,405 - Of them, which is exactly the point. 792 00:29:38,405 --> 00:29:40,165 Exactly. And again, that's how you know 793 00:29:40,165 --> 00:29:41,850 that we're onto something, because that's 794 00:29:41,850 --> 00:29:42,930 where they're a target, that's where 795 00:29:42,930 --> 00:29:44,005 they're focusing their fire. 796 00:29:44,465 --> 00:29:45,525 - Yep. Yep. Exactly. 797 00:29:46,235 --> 00:29:47,685 Well, so let, let's talk about the, 798 00:29:47,705 --> 00:29:50,005 the two party illusion perspective of all this, 799 00:29:50,005 --> 00:29:51,845 because obviously what we're talking about would be, 800 00:29:51,865 --> 00:29:53,485 you know, when we're able to get 801 00:29:53,485 --> 00:29:54,765 beyond what we're dealing with now. 802 00:29:54,765 --> 00:29:57,605 So now what we're faced with is this endless cycle, 803 00:29:57,775 --> 00:29:59,245 which I love the way you framed that. 804 00:29:59,285 --> 00:30:01,605 You know, a a powering agreement is exactly 805 00:30:01,605 --> 00:30:02,885 what it ultimately comes down to. 806 00:30:03,185 --> 00:30:05,005 And so what we're talking about is, you know, 807 00:30:05,115 --> 00:30:07,405 this inundation people are completely lost. 808 00:30:07,405 --> 00:30:08,525 Those that are, and I, 809 00:30:08,545 --> 00:30:09,685 and you tell me your thoughts on this. 810 00:30:09,805 --> 00:30:11,885 I believe it's a rapidly decreasing number. 811 00:30:12,325 --> 00:30:14,245 I don't necessarily know if that means majority or not, 812 00:30:14,265 --> 00:30:16,725 but I think from the covid ex illusion 813 00:30:16,785 --> 00:30:19,245 to even things like East Palestine to what's going on 814 00:30:19,245 --> 00:30:21,765 with Israel and Gaza, people have been shaken free from 815 00:30:21,765 --> 00:30:24,165 this, or really just understanding that they have been lied 816 00:30:24,165 --> 00:30:25,565 to about a lot of different things 817 00:30:26,035 --> 00:30:27,525 that they haven't really accepted before. 818 00:30:27,945 --> 00:30:29,885 So first and foremost, like, do you think 819 00:30:29,885 --> 00:30:32,285 that the two party illusion is losing its power? 820 00:30:32,385 --> 00:30:34,925 And how, and how is it, you know, 821 00:30:35,065 --> 00:30:36,525 you have a very prominent account on Twitter 822 00:30:36,705 --> 00:30:39,765 and it's pro, it's interesting that you get a lot 823 00:30:39,765 --> 00:30:42,085 of traction with things that seem to challenge that, 824 00:30:42,085 --> 00:30:43,765 which other people have a hard time doing that. 825 00:30:43,785 --> 00:30:46,085 And so what, what do you think is the secret to that? 826 00:30:46,105 --> 00:30:47,965 So both those questions, whichever one you wanna take. 827 00:30:48,235 --> 00:30:51,085 - Yeah. So like, um, you know, I, I think that 828 00:30:51,745 --> 00:30:53,205 the state is obviously threatened. 829 00:30:53,205 --> 00:30:54,645 We've, we've, we've discussed that, 830 00:30:54,705 --> 00:30:57,365 but I think that I'm not, I'm not hopeful 831 00:30:57,435 --> 00:30:58,885 that we're gonna wake people up. 832 00:30:59,325 --> 00:31:01,645 I don't think I, I don't think it's realistic for us 833 00:31:01,665 --> 00:31:04,485 to expect, you know, tomorrow the world is gonna be, 834 00:31:04,505 --> 00:31:06,245 you know, we're gonna be, they're gonna, we're gonna convert 835 00:31:06,265 --> 00:31:09,005 the, the global population to Roth Bardy and anarchism. 836 00:31:09,025 --> 00:31:11,605 That's not gonna happen. . Yeah. I wish. Right? 837 00:31:11,745 --> 00:31:13,925 Of course, you know, the world will be a better place if 838 00:31:13,925 --> 00:31:16,045 everybody, if everyone read Meis, 839 00:31:16,145 --> 00:31:18,445 but I don't think that's likely to occur. 840 00:31:19,225 --> 00:31:23,205 Um, again, as ISTs, we try to convince people 841 00:31:23,205 --> 00:31:24,445 with their wallet, right? 842 00:31:24,445 --> 00:31:27,565 We're trying to offer a better product than the state. 843 00:31:27,825 --> 00:31:30,045 We think that, uh, Bitcoin Cash 844 00:31:30,225 --> 00:31:32,525 or Monero is a better medium 845 00:31:32,545 --> 00:31:34,765 of exchange than the US dollar is. 846 00:31:35,665 --> 00:31:39,605 We think that, um, you know, uh, these, 847 00:31:39,605 --> 00:31:42,485 these dark web markets are more efficient than eBay 848 00:31:42,625 --> 00:31:44,005 or, you know, Amazon 849 00:31:44,005 --> 00:31:46,085 because they offer products you can't find there. 850 00:31:46,085 --> 00:31:47,365 Mm-Hmm. . So we're trying 851 00:31:47,365 --> 00:31:48,525 to outcompete the state. 852 00:31:48,575 --> 00:31:50,605 We're trying to convince people with their wallet. 853 00:31:51,105 --> 00:31:55,485 People will not, um, they might not understand, you know, 854 00:31:55,485 --> 00:31:56,965 Austrian business cycle theory, 855 00:31:57,505 --> 00:32:00,645 but they know that crypto goes up and the dollar goes down. 856 00:32:00,865 --> 00:32:04,525 So, you know, it's that, that's a much easier sell than, 857 00:32:04,745 --> 00:32:06,965 you know, Austrian business cycle theory, right? 858 00:32:06,985 --> 00:32:09,485 You can convince people about, you know, how, you know, the, 859 00:32:09,945 --> 00:32:11,685 all the, you know, what MEUs and manger wrote 860 00:32:11,685 --> 00:32:12,605 and stuff like that, but you're gonna 861 00:32:12,605 --> 00:32:13,725 bore half these people to death. 862 00:32:13,725 --> 00:32:16,805 They've been dumbed down by decades of, of the Department 863 00:32:16,805 --> 00:32:19,245 of Education and the public indoctrination system. 864 00:32:20,065 --> 00:32:22,045 So there's a couple people, every now 865 00:32:22,045 --> 00:32:24,125 and then, you reach somebody, I get countless, you know, 866 00:32:24,585 --> 00:32:28,365 dms on Twitter and emails, Sal, you change my mind on this 867 00:32:28,385 --> 00:32:29,685 and that, then it's wonderful. 868 00:32:30,185 --> 00:32:32,845 But it's to, to reach a critical mass, 869 00:32:33,395 --> 00:32:35,445 it's gotta be something like what Satoshi did 870 00:32:35,445 --> 00:32:37,685 or what Ross did, or what Cody did. 871 00:32:38,185 --> 00:32:40,005 That's really the only way, in my opinion. 872 00:32:40,305 --> 00:32:41,955 And, you know, mm-Hmm. para 873 00:32:42,055 --> 00:32:46,555 by who's a wonderful egoist, a professor at Oklahoma State, 874 00:32:46,775 --> 00:32:49,035 uh, in economics department. 875 00:32:49,815 --> 00:32:52,515 He has this wonderful point where he says, you know, as 876 00:32:53,385 --> 00:32:57,035 libertarian, anarchists of ISTs, what have you, you know, 877 00:32:57,195 --> 00:33:00,275 we're individualists why should we spend our time trying 878 00:33:00,275 --> 00:33:03,875 to convince the collective, you know, to, to come around 879 00:33:03,875 --> 00:33:06,715 to our way of, of being, you know, and or, 880 00:33:06,715 --> 00:33:08,515 or Thoreau sort of puts it a different way. 881 00:33:08,975 --> 00:33:11,115 We only get 80 years with 70 years if 882 00:33:11,115 --> 00:33:12,155 with a whole lot of luck, right? 883 00:33:12,375 --> 00:33:14,035 So it's like, I can't spend that time 884 00:33:14,685 --> 00:33:16,075 convincing you to be free. 885 00:33:16,175 --> 00:33:18,315 If you can't see that we're all debt slaves at this 886 00:33:18,315 --> 00:33:20,035 point, I, I can't help you. 887 00:33:20,095 --> 00:33:22,475 You know what I mean? But there is a way forward, 888 00:33:22,475 --> 00:33:24,075 if you're interested in finding a solution, 889 00:33:24,075 --> 00:33:25,275 then we can talk, you know, 890 00:33:25,815 --> 00:33:28,595 - So then I'm taking that you don't think that there's a, 891 00:33:28,875 --> 00:33:30,475 a shifting happening, or do you think that 892 00:33:31,135 --> 00:33:33,715 - No, I don't, I don't think that the political parties are 893 00:33:33,785 --> 00:33:35,915 sort of ideologically threatened. 894 00:33:36,235 --> 00:33:38,555 I think that they're, they're threatened sort of financially 895 00:33:39,375 --> 00:33:42,915 by, you know, their, uh, mishandling of the US dollar, 896 00:33:43,295 --> 00:33:45,395 and by the rise of cryptocurrency 897 00:33:45,455 --> 00:33:47,515 and alternative non-inflationary assets. 898 00:33:47,855 --> 00:33:49,915 But I don't think they're ideologically sort 899 00:33:49,915 --> 00:33:51,155 of threatened. Mm-Hmm, 900 00:33:51,195 --> 00:33:54,075 - Well, I mean, I maintain a, a hope 901 00:33:54,225 --> 00:33:55,515 that people are able 902 00:33:55,515 --> 00:33:57,275 to see more than we'd like to give them credit for. 903 00:33:57,335 --> 00:34:00,635 You know, while all, but while taking the harsh realities at 904 00:34:00,635 --> 00:34:02,115 face value that we can see, you know what I mean? 905 00:34:02,115 --> 00:34:04,715 Like, I, I really do think that people are capable, 906 00:34:05,135 --> 00:34:06,435 uh, not collectively. 907 00:34:06,435 --> 00:34:08,315 And I think that's the point, is that people collectively, 908 00:34:08,595 --> 00:34:09,435 I was talking about this earlier, 909 00:34:09,775 --> 00:34:10,955 you know, can be irrational. 910 00:34:10,955 --> 00:34:13,555 It's like the fear. It's the collective, the phenomenon 911 00:34:13,555 --> 00:34:15,515 of people when, you know, you put 'em in a room together 912 00:34:15,515 --> 00:34:17,355 and they, they kind of see the wave, you know, 913 00:34:17,415 --> 00:34:19,235 the point is an individual in a corner, you can, 914 00:34:19,235 --> 00:34:20,435 you can rationalize with, you know, 915 00:34:20,435 --> 00:34:22,515 and I think that done the right way. 916 00:34:22,595 --> 00:34:24,315 I do think it's possible, but I agree with you, 917 00:34:24,315 --> 00:34:27,435 and I think that ultimately it's the hardest thing to do, is 918 00:34:27,435 --> 00:34:29,875 to try to just blunt force dump the information on them 919 00:34:29,895 --> 00:34:31,395 and say, here, we need to do this better. 920 00:34:31,615 --> 00:34:34,155 But what you're highlighting is you provide the path, right? 921 00:34:34,175 --> 00:34:35,995 You show the better option, right? 922 00:34:35,995 --> 00:34:38,755 And allow that choice to be self-evident, you know, with 923 00:34:38,755 --> 00:34:42,435 so much dishonesty, I find it to be, you know, that there's 924 00:34:42,435 --> 00:34:44,435 so, there's so much going on where you can see 925 00:34:44,435 --> 00:34:46,635 that they're actively trying to undermine that possibility. 926 00:34:46,635 --> 00:34:48,035 So I find it difficult, you know, 927 00:34:48,295 --> 00:34:50,395 but I, I mean, I, I think that things that are happening 928 00:34:50,395 --> 00:34:53,475 with the larger foreign policy dynamics have opened the door 929 00:34:53,895 --> 00:34:56,435 to this moment to be able to show that path, you know? 930 00:34:56,495 --> 00:34:58,035 So it's kind of, it's kind of a mixed bag. 931 00:34:58,505 --> 00:34:59,675 Well, so, and, and, yeah. Oh, good. 932 00:34:59,675 --> 00:35:01,035 You comment on that? Go ahead. I, 933 00:35:01,115 --> 00:35:03,515 - I, I would just say that like, um, you know, this is sort 934 00:35:03,515 --> 00:35:06,235 of why agos sort of get along with and caps 935 00:35:06,235 --> 00:35:09,675 and libertarians, because they sort of focus on, um, 936 00:35:10,945 --> 00:35:13,995 like educational, spreading the message, which is wonderful. 937 00:35:14,065 --> 00:35:15,395 It's great, we need people to do that. 938 00:35:15,395 --> 00:35:18,955 But what happens is they sort of, um, you know, 939 00:35:18,955 --> 00:35:20,915 people like Ron Paul or the Mees Institute 940 00:35:20,915 --> 00:35:23,355 or Lou Rockwell, they sort of wake people up and, 941 00:35:23,455 --> 00:35:24,795 and smack 'em over the head 942 00:35:24,795 --> 00:35:26,955 and say, Hey, stupid, the government's, you're a slave. 943 00:35:27,015 --> 00:35:28,635 And people wake up and, 944 00:35:28,775 --> 00:35:31,475 and then they realize, um, they go through this period 945 00:35:31,495 --> 00:35:34,035 of realization, and then eventually they come to the, 946 00:35:34,055 --> 00:35:37,660 the conclusion that the political means is insufficient. 947 00:35:37,825 --> 00:35:39,445 And then us ago we're like, Hey, 948 00:35:39,905 --> 00:35:41,285 we got a great idea over here. 949 00:35:41,345 --> 00:35:44,165 So it's sort of like a, a pipeline to agom, right? 950 00:35:44,165 --> 00:35:46,525 That's why I tell people Agom is really the most radical 951 00:35:46,835 --> 00:35:48,645 form of anarchism. 952 00:35:48,645 --> 00:35:50,845 Like, it's not an anarchical capitalism. 953 00:35:50,875 --> 00:35:52,685 Like that's, or voluntaryism, that's sort 954 00:35:52,685 --> 00:35:55,685 of a step two to aism. 955 00:35:56,195 --> 00:35:57,325 - Yeah. Yeah. It makes sense. 956 00:35:57,525 --> 00:35:59,325 I mean, I think this is an important thing for people 957 00:35:59,345 --> 00:36:01,805 to truly take the time to understand 958 00:36:02,145 --> 00:36:04,285 and not just listen to somebody screeching about how, 959 00:36:04,345 --> 00:36:06,245 and it means chaos, and there's no control, 960 00:36:06,245 --> 00:36:08,125 which is like the exact opposite. It's the 961 00:36:08,245 --> 00:36:09,245 - Opposite of that. 962 00:36:09,245 --> 00:36:10,085 Exactly. Frankly, in, in a, 963 00:36:10,085 --> 00:36:13,325 in a truly free society would probably be more highly 964 00:36:13,475 --> 00:36:15,285 regulated than what we have today, 965 00:36:15,285 --> 00:36:17,445 because there would be more, more efficient 966 00:36:17,445 --> 00:36:18,965 enforcement mechanisms in place. 967 00:36:19,185 --> 00:36:20,885 You know, you, you would be less inclined 968 00:36:21,065 --> 00:36:24,845 to violate your insurance policy than you would, uh, 969 00:36:25,065 --> 00:36:26,685 you know, you know, the cop's not watching. 970 00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:28,285 There's nobody on the street. You can get away with it. 971 00:36:28,305 --> 00:36:30,525 But if, you know, if you violate your insurance policy, 972 00:36:30,745 --> 00:36:32,685 you might have to pay more next time you use my road. 973 00:36:32,865 --> 00:36:37,285 So I think people would be more inclined to, uh, behave. 974 00:36:37,965 --> 00:36:39,085 - Hmm. Interesting. Yeah. 975 00:36:39,275 --> 00:36:42,405 Well, I, I think that the reason that you're able, 976 00:36:42,425 --> 00:36:44,845 and the other point of that to really break through, 977 00:36:45,455 --> 00:36:47,085 which I think is the important part, is 978 00:36:47,085 --> 00:36:48,165 that, you know, I think it's clear. 979 00:36:48,305 --> 00:36:49,845 And on the side note, actually let us know if 980 00:36:49,845 --> 00:36:51,005 you've dealt with any censorship. 981 00:36:51,045 --> 00:36:52,925 I think a lot of people have with a lot of the stuff 982 00:36:52,925 --> 00:36:54,045 that you're highlighting on Twitter. 983 00:36:54,265 --> 00:36:56,165 But I think there a lot of what you do, this brings me 984 00:36:56,165 --> 00:36:59,085 to the other point, is that it's the, the tact, 985 00:36:59,085 --> 00:37:01,725 the skillful, tactful strategic use 986 00:37:01,745 --> 00:37:03,325 of memes and, and comedy. 987 00:37:03,425 --> 00:37:05,325 And I really believe that, like, it's powerful. 988 00:37:05,445 --> 00:37:06,885 I mean, even funny enough, I was, 989 00:37:06,885 --> 00:37:08,725 before we were getting like, I've, 20 minutes 990 00:37:08,725 --> 00:37:11,325 before we got live, and I'm scr going through your feed. 991 00:37:11,505 --> 00:37:13,925 I'm sharing every single, like, taking 20 seconds 992 00:37:13,945 --> 00:37:15,125 to laugh my ass off about it. 993 00:37:15,125 --> 00:37:16,565 And I'm sharing it, thinking. 994 00:37:16,725 --> 00:37:18,925 I mean, and funny enough, there are things in there like, 995 00:37:18,925 --> 00:37:20,245 I forget which one it was that I'm like, well, 996 00:37:20,245 --> 00:37:21,205 I don't think I agree with that, but 997 00:37:21,205 --> 00:37:22,085 I'm sitting here laughing about it. 998 00:37:22,085 --> 00:37:24,685 You know, it's like, and it ultimately ends up, like I said, 999 00:37:24,705 --> 00:37:26,565 it really plants the thought. 1000 00:37:27,115 --> 00:37:30,165 Even if you ultimately don't agree with that in a, 1001 00:37:30,165 --> 00:37:33,445 in a di in a, uh, an unguarded dis disarmed way, 1002 00:37:33,705 --> 00:37:36,125 you've processed it, which is what we talked about, 1003 00:37:36,125 --> 00:37:37,205 whether it was covid illusion 1004 00:37:37,205 --> 00:37:39,925 or anything else where the wall goes up, oh, you're, 1005 00:37:39,945 --> 00:37:41,405 you think that side, I'm not even 1006 00:37:41,405 --> 00:37:42,725 gonna consider what you're saying, study. 1007 00:37:42,725 --> 00:37:44,685 I don't want to hear it. Whereas if you came up to them 1008 00:37:44,685 --> 00:37:46,605 and were like, Hey, you know, made it about a joke. 1009 00:37:46,705 --> 00:37:48,925 Or even more so I say in the past, you know, you, 1010 00:37:48,925 --> 00:37:49,805 you come out for them, like, 1011 00:37:50,305 --> 00:37:51,605 let 'em know that you're on their side. 1012 00:37:52,005 --> 00:37:53,405 I agree with you, but here's this thing 1013 00:37:53,405 --> 00:37:54,965 that I got shared from somebody else that agrees 1014 00:37:54,965 --> 00:37:56,285 with us and show them the thing. 1015 00:37:56,385 --> 00:37:59,125 Oh, oh man, that's crazy. What's the difference? You know? 1016 00:37:59,125 --> 00:38:00,525 It's, it's the wall. And so that's 1017 00:38:00,525 --> 00:38:02,085 what I think your work has been so important. 1018 00:38:02,545 --> 00:38:03,885 And I'll just bring up the, I have a couple 1019 00:38:03,885 --> 00:38:04,885 of the ones I just grabbed this morning. 1020 00:38:05,125 --> 00:38:06,845 Like, for instance, deal 1021 00:38:06,845 --> 00:38:09,085 with the poll is just about highlighting an unpopular truth 1022 00:38:09,085 --> 00:38:11,605 that most people, I think are generally aware 1023 00:38:11,835 --> 00:38:13,765 that the US government is some, not, 1024 00:38:13,985 --> 00:38:16,045 not some benevolent altruistic entity. 1025 00:38:16,355 --> 00:38:17,405 It's facts marching 1026 00:38:17,405 --> 00:38:18,765 around the world and destroying a lot of things. 1027 00:38:18,765 --> 00:38:19,885 And that's not the people, that's not 1028 00:38:19,885 --> 00:38:20,925 the country, that's the government. 1029 00:38:20,925 --> 00:38:22,605 Right. And I think that's very important. 1030 00:38:22,825 --> 00:38:24,765 But to the point I'm making things like this, 1031 00:38:25,265 --> 00:38:27,125 if government can suspend your, oh, actually, you know, 1032 00:38:27,125 --> 00:38:28,325 where's the funny one I was talking about? 1033 00:38:29,655 --> 00:38:31,425 Well, I mean, I guess they didn't get the best examples 1034 00:38:31,425 --> 00:38:33,025 of the funny ones, but , in case I thought, 1035 00:38:33,025 --> 00:38:34,505 these ones are the best message, but the 1036 00:38:34,505 --> 00:38:35,565 memes on the less are funny. 1037 00:38:35,565 --> 00:38:37,005 They're characters you're comfortable with. 1038 00:38:37,145 --> 00:38:39,045 For those in the podcast, the ones I showed, it says, 1039 00:38:39,045 --> 00:38:40,325 if government could suspend your rights, 1040 00:38:40,325 --> 00:38:42,365 anytime there's a crisis, you don't have rights. 1041 00:38:42,465 --> 00:38:44,765 You have permissions exact. Exactly. 1042 00:38:45,065 --> 00:38:46,725 Or all the powers your government 1043 00:38:46,865 --> 00:38:48,085 to you gave your government 1044 00:38:48,085 --> 00:38:49,725 to stop terrorists were used to terrorize you. 1045 00:38:49,725 --> 00:38:52,165 And lastly was when people think they're awake to the NW, 1046 00:38:52,385 --> 00:38:55,045 but they think an election will fix it with the kid's face 1047 00:38:55,045 --> 00:38:56,445 with a s sneer on it. 1048 00:38:56,485 --> 00:38:57,485 I forget who that's from, actually, 1049 00:38:57,485 --> 00:38:58,445 by the way, what movie that's from. 1050 00:38:58,785 --> 00:39:01,045 But in case the point was, if you wanna comment on that, 1051 00:39:01,045 --> 00:39:02,845 that you use these things tactfully, 1052 00:39:02,845 --> 00:39:04,605 and they're, they're reaching people that I think would 1053 00:39:04,605 --> 00:39:06,165 otherwise not consider them because of that. 1054 00:39:06,875 --> 00:39:08,455 - So there really is a meme war. 1055 00:39:08,745 --> 00:39:10,695 There really is an actual Meir. 1056 00:39:10,715 --> 00:39:14,015 And the, the military has written papers on, uh, 1057 00:39:14,475 --> 00:39:15,815 the art of mimetic warfare. 1058 00:39:16,315 --> 00:39:18,575 Um, they've really, like, they spent millions 1059 00:39:18,575 --> 00:39:19,975 of dollars to analyze this. 1060 00:39:20,395 --> 00:39:24,095 And there's a great book called like War, which, uh, 1061 00:39:24,245 --> 00:39:29,095 discusses how, um, Mossad and the CIA and, uh, MI states 1062 00:39:29,115 --> 00:39:32,095 and all these different intelligence communities manipulate 1063 00:39:32,095 --> 00:39:33,495 social media, um, 1064 00:39:33,595 --> 00:39:36,335 and the me more in an attempt to sort of control 1065 00:39:36,335 --> 00:39:38,415 and shape, uh, public opinion. 1066 00:39:39,555 --> 00:39:40,775 And, um, bad at it, 1067 00:39:41,415 --> 00:39:42,695 - , they're - Very bad. 1068 00:39:42,915 --> 00:39:44,255 You know what? They're very bad at it. 1069 00:39:44,255 --> 00:39:46,695 And the truth is, we're all better at it. 1070 00:39:47,035 --> 00:39:49,375 We are better at, and, and, but there's a reason for that. 1071 00:39:49,435 --> 00:39:52,695 And, and the reason for that, that I've determined is that, 1072 00:39:53,155 --> 00:39:54,255 um, what is a meme? 1073 00:39:54,275 --> 00:39:56,535 And this goes back to like, you know, the seventies 1074 00:39:56,535 --> 00:39:59,615 where people, the, the term comes from a meme really is 1075 00:39:59,645 --> 00:40:02,655 just, um, you know, in the, in the, in the current sense, 1076 00:40:02,965 --> 00:40:06,935 it's really just a, a, uh, image 1077 00:40:07,075 --> 00:40:09,775 or a gif or a little video clip 1078 00:40:09,775 --> 00:40:14,085 or something that, um, is sort of like an argument. 1079 00:40:14,195 --> 00:40:16,725 It's like an argument in an image or an argument in a gif. 1080 00:40:17,025 --> 00:40:19,885 And the bottom line is, if you have a poor argument, 1081 00:40:20,225 --> 00:40:21,565 you're gonna have a poor meme. 1082 00:40:21,825 --> 00:40:24,085 If you have a good argument, you're gonna have a good meme. 1083 00:40:24,745 --> 00:40:27,005 And that's why the government can't meme. 1084 00:40:27,005 --> 00:40:28,725 That's why they say the left can't meme 1085 00:40:28,725 --> 00:40:29,805 or the right can't meme 1086 00:40:29,995 --> 00:40:32,965 because, uh, they can't, they don't have any good arguments. 1087 00:40:33,145 --> 00:40:34,725 And it's really only the anarchists 1088 00:40:34,725 --> 00:40:38,405 and the libertarians who are capable of, uh, 1089 00:40:38,425 --> 00:40:39,605 making this sort of content. 1090 00:40:40,025 --> 00:40:42,485 That's why anti-government memes go so vital, 1091 00:40:42,485 --> 00:40:44,445 because everybody knows that these people suck. 1092 00:40:45,075 --> 00:40:47,765 It's obvious, right? , it's like, it's, it's almost, 1093 00:40:47,765 --> 00:40:49,565 it's an undeniable truth at this point. 1094 00:40:49,865 --> 00:40:51,685 Mm-Hmm. . So, you know, you, it's, 1095 00:40:51,685 --> 00:40:54,205 it's really difficult to make a meme, for example, about 1096 00:40:54,545 --> 00:40:56,845 how we need, you know, the DMV 1097 00:40:57,425 --> 00:40:58,925 or something like that, , you know what I mean? 1098 00:40:58,925 --> 00:41:00,405 Like, it would be, it would be the worst 1099 00:41:00,475 --> 00:41:01,645 meme ever, you know? 1100 00:41:01,825 --> 00:41:04,765 But I can, I can make a million memes over in the next 10 1101 00:41:04,765 --> 00:41:06,645 minutes about the DMV at the top of my head, 1102 00:41:06,825 --> 00:41:08,325 and they would probably all do very well 1103 00:41:08,355 --> 00:41:10,645 because everybody, there's, you know, a sort 1104 00:41:10,645 --> 00:41:12,405 of underlying funny truth to how 1105 00:41:12,465 --> 00:41:15,125 how absolutely awful their surfaces are. 1106 00:41:15,925 --> 00:41:17,385 - That's, it's, that's so perfect too. 1107 00:41:17,385 --> 00:41:18,465 And that's such a great example 1108 00:41:18,465 --> 00:41:22,345 because, you know, that actually for me, that really, yeah, 1109 00:41:22,385 --> 00:41:24,145 I haven't heard that placed that way 1110 00:41:24,145 --> 00:41:25,985 before, like, the idea of the argument and so on. 1111 00:41:25,985 --> 00:41:27,945 It's exactly right. Because you really couldn't make, 1112 00:41:28,105 --> 00:41:30,425 I mean, I bet you somebody who is smart enough could find a 1113 00:41:30,425 --> 00:41:31,745 way that's, that's actually 1114 00:41:31,745 --> 00:41:33,290 what I was gonna say next is I think, think, you know, 1115 00:41:33,355 --> 00:41:37,845 find a way to use unpopular, you know, arguments in a way 1116 00:41:37,845 --> 00:41:39,085 that could convince you, and that 1117 00:41:39,115 --> 00:41:41,005 that would be a skillful use of it in the reverse. 1118 00:41:41,145 --> 00:41:42,525 And I do think I see some of that, 1119 00:41:42,745 --> 00:41:44,525 but you're right, though, it does have to be something 1120 00:41:44,525 --> 00:41:47,085 that like the collective would tap into. 1121 00:41:47,455 --> 00:41:49,525 Right? And I think that's the interesting part of it, is 1122 00:41:49,525 --> 00:41:52,445 that they, and, and that in, in of itself shows us 1123 00:41:52,445 --> 00:41:55,525 that there is a, they're losing 1124 00:41:55,635 --> 00:41:57,045 that influence to a large degree. 1125 00:41:57,265 --> 00:42:00,125 - That's the whole point. Because like, you know, uh, uh, 1126 00:42:00,125 --> 00:42:02,725 something that really hits home that people recognize 1127 00:42:02,745 --> 00:42:05,365 as truth, something that, you know, promotes liberty 1128 00:42:05,385 --> 00:42:06,685 or something like that, that goes viral, 1129 00:42:07,115 --> 00:42:08,365 that happens organically. 1130 00:42:08,585 --> 00:42:10,445 Mm-Hmm. . But now, because the, 1131 00:42:10,705 --> 00:42:14,285 the state can't do that again, that book, like War With, one 1132 00:42:14,285 --> 00:42:17,205 of the things that they talk about is how, um, they'll, 1133 00:42:17,225 --> 00:42:18,805 you know, they'll use bot accounts 1134 00:42:19,265 --> 00:42:23,765 and armies of bots to swarm a post and, and like, 1135 00:42:23,765 --> 00:42:25,725 and retweet and share the post, but they're all bots. 1136 00:42:25,745 --> 00:42:28,925 Mm-Hmm. . And, uh, that just goes to show 1137 00:42:28,925 --> 00:42:31,525 that they know, like you're saying, that it has to sort 1138 00:42:31,525 --> 00:42:32,645 of tap into the collective, 1139 00:42:33,185 --> 00:42:34,685 but they can't do that organically. 1140 00:42:34,705 --> 00:42:38,485 So they have to sort of do that in a sort of, uh, uh, false, 1141 00:42:38,785 --> 00:42:40,005 uh, false way. 1142 00:42:40,065 --> 00:42:42,085 And that's how they do it through bots and, 1143 00:42:42,145 --> 00:42:44,485 and sock puppet accounts and things like that. 1144 00:42:45,185 --> 00:42:47,925 And, and shadow banning popular creators 1145 00:42:48,105 --> 00:42:49,645 or censoring them all together. 1146 00:42:49,715 --> 00:42:52,045 I've been kicked off of every platform on social media. 1147 00:42:52,565 --> 00:42:54,965 I was kicked off of Twitter, I was on my last strike when 1148 00:42:55,035 --> 00:42:57,245 Elon Musk, uh, bought the platform. 1149 00:42:58,305 --> 00:43:00,485 And, uh, thankfully I haven't had any problems since, 1150 00:43:00,505 --> 00:43:02,485 but Facebook, Instagram, I've had 1151 00:43:03,225 --> 00:43:05,285 ads from my 3D printer store moves. 1152 00:43:05,355 --> 00:43:07,445 I've had pages with tens of thousands 1153 00:43:07,445 --> 00:43:10,645 of followers just completely shut, unpublished, 1154 00:43:10,645 --> 00:43:14,125 ripped outta my hands after years of building them up. 1155 00:43:14,225 --> 00:43:18,005 So, um, you know, it's all, it, it's, it's part of the war, 1156 00:43:18,585 --> 00:43:19,845 you know, it, it could be worse. 1157 00:43:19,865 --> 00:43:21,925 We could be fighting a war against the government like they 1158 00:43:21,925 --> 00:43:23,245 used to 400 years ago, 1159 00:43:23,265 --> 00:43:25,565 and we'd all be dead by now, so. Right, 1160 00:43:25,615 --> 00:43:26,615 - Right. 1161 00:43:26,615 --> 00:43:28,485 - I guess it could be worse. , you know, most 1162 00:43:28,485 --> 00:43:29,605 - Definitely, it can always be worse. 1163 00:43:29,625 --> 00:43:32,285 But I, what I think though is, you know, an interesting, 1164 00:43:32,465 --> 00:43:34,685 you know, to the point that they're clearly losing influence 1165 00:43:34,745 --> 00:43:37,485 to some degree, you know, on the point of free speech. 1166 00:43:37,565 --> 00:43:39,245 I mean, that's obviously why that's happening, right? 1167 00:43:39,245 --> 00:43:41,965 They, they recognize that they're either not capable or, 1168 00:43:42,185 --> 00:43:44,765 or good enough in this field to be able to succeed. 1169 00:43:44,785 --> 00:43:46,685 So they have to do, you know, artificially 1170 00:43:46,685 --> 00:43:48,085 or dishonestly affect it. 1171 00:43:48,085 --> 00:43:49,805 That's what the government does, you know, 1172 00:43:49,805 --> 00:43:52,245 but I'd like to believe that's indicative of a larger shift. 1173 00:43:52,245 --> 00:43:54,245 That's, that's what I, I see happening, at least I hope. 1174 00:43:54,385 --> 00:43:56,245 But in regard to the free speech, you know, 1175 00:43:56,315 --> 00:43:58,685 clearly you've been affected by that, right? 1176 00:43:58,705 --> 00:44:00,325 So, and I, is that, do you see it the same way? 1177 00:44:00,325 --> 00:44:02,645 Is that about suppressing the flow of this content, 1178 00:44:03,065 --> 00:44:04,085 or is it just about the fact 1179 00:44:04,085 --> 00:44:06,125 that you're setting saying unpopular truths 1180 00:44:06,345 --> 00:44:08,565 and then in your experience on places like Twitter, 1181 00:44:08,745 --> 00:44:10,805 you know, after Elon Musk, has it been, you know, in your, 1182 00:44:10,985 --> 00:44:12,845 in your mindset, I'm very fascinated about that. 1183 00:44:13,235 --> 00:44:14,685 Have, do you see it being better? 1184 00:44:14,745 --> 00:44:16,365 Do you, is it changed in your mind? What do you think? 1185 00:44:16,905 --> 00:44:18,645 - Yes. So, um, oh, 1186 00:44:18,645 --> 00:44:20,365 there's definitely a difference on Twitter. 1187 00:44:20,605 --> 00:44:21,885 I mean, I remember, um, 1188 00:44:21,995 --> 00:44:23,885 when the Tampa Bay Bucks, I live in St. 1189 00:44:23,885 --> 00:44:26,365 Petersburg, Florida, when the Bucks won the Super Bowl, 1190 00:44:26,735 --> 00:44:29,085 there were people downtown who were partying. 1191 00:44:29,085 --> 00:44:31,405 They were having, and this was, you know, middle of the, 1192 00:44:31,425 --> 00:44:34,765 the whole scam demic, and they were jumping on cars 1193 00:44:34,825 --> 00:44:36,125 and partying, and I just took a video, 1194 00:44:36,125 --> 00:44:38,605 everybody having a good time, and posted it to Twitter, 1195 00:44:39,465 --> 00:44:43,285 and my account got locked, um, for posting people 1196 00:44:43,285 --> 00:44:44,365 who didn't have masks on. 1197 00:44:44,905 --> 00:44:46,725 Wow. I mean, it's absolutely absurd. 1198 00:44:47,345 --> 00:44:50,685 So, um, you know, it, it's, it's all, obviously, 1199 00:44:50,755 --> 00:44:53,445 it's a matter of the establishment trying to hold onto power 1200 00:44:53,445 --> 00:44:56,725 and, and, and safeguard a, uh, false 1201 00:44:56,825 --> 00:44:59,285 and failing narrative that, that is just, you know, 1202 00:45:00,165 --> 00:45:03,525 absolutely, uh, unbelievable and incredible at this point. 1203 00:45:03,585 --> 00:45:05,685 You know, you have to be a fool to keep buying into it. 1204 00:45:05,685 --> 00:45:07,125 And they know that, and 1205 00:45:07,125 --> 00:45:10,125 that's why the censor censorship is so heavy. 1206 00:45:10,465 --> 00:45:12,725 Mm-Hmm. . But I think that, um, now 1207 00:45:12,725 --> 00:45:16,365 that Elon has actually, um, you know, 1208 00:45:16,365 --> 00:45:18,605 it's not a completely free speech platform, right? 1209 00:45:18,685 --> 00:45:20,485 'cause I'm, I'm sure I've heard complaints. 1210 00:45:20,585 --> 00:45:22,805 I'm sure that there's people out there who've said stupid 1211 00:45:22,835 --> 00:45:25,965 shit that we wouldn't agree with that probably got censored. 1212 00:45:26,865 --> 00:45:30,885 Um, but it's a hell of a lot better than, than Facebook 1213 00:45:30,885 --> 00:45:32,685 or Instagram, or than Twitter was. 1214 00:45:32,745 --> 00:45:36,925 And I think just doing that, he's creating a, uh, 1215 00:45:37,995 --> 00:45:41,485 he's, he's putting competitive market pressure on Zuckerberg 1216 00:45:41,745 --> 00:45:44,045 and, and the folks at Meta to sort 1217 00:45:44,045 --> 00:45:45,565 of loosen their restrictions. 1218 00:45:46,625 --> 00:45:48,405 Um, you know, Instagram has just, 1219 00:45:48,405 --> 00:45:50,325 just actually offered me monetization 1220 00:45:50,755 --> 00:45:53,605 because now Elon is, has monetized Twitter accounts. 1221 00:45:53,605 --> 00:45:55,925 Now, Instagram has to sort of, you know, sort 1222 00:45:55,925 --> 00:45:58,965 of do the same thing to compete with, with, uh, X. 1223 00:45:59,755 --> 00:46:00,805 Will it work? I don't know. 1224 00:46:00,885 --> 00:46:03,405 I don't, I don't think, I think Zuckerberg is too deep in 1225 00:46:03,425 --> 00:46:05,565 bed with the CIA and the FBI. 1226 00:46:06,305 --> 00:46:08,765 Um, but, you know, time will tell. 1227 00:46:08,985 --> 00:46:11,205 I'm, I'm happy on Twitter. I, I love Twitter. 1228 00:46:11,395 --> 00:46:13,245 It's, it's the only platform 1229 00:46:13,245 --> 00:46:15,565 where I know I'm not going to be suspended. 1230 00:46:15,685 --> 00:46:17,565 I don't promote violence. I'm an aorist. Mm-Hmm. 1231 00:46:17,605 --> 00:46:19,245 , we're the next step is pacifism. 1232 00:46:19,245 --> 00:46:22,365 We're like one step away from being full on, you know, 1233 00:46:22,685 --> 00:46:24,525 pacifist, Tolstoy and pacifist. 1234 00:46:24,585 --> 00:46:26,885 But like, I'm not gonna go out there. 1235 00:46:26,945 --> 00:46:28,925 I'm not telling anybody to go fight the government 1236 00:46:28,925 --> 00:46:29,965 and chop the heads off the air. 1237 00:46:30,105 --> 00:46:31,725 I'm not doing that stuff right. 1238 00:46:31,725 --> 00:46:33,485 So it's, it's absurd that I even have to deal 1239 00:46:33,485 --> 00:46:35,085 with these things, but here we are. 1240 00:46:35,915 --> 00:46:37,445 - Yeah. And, and I, I honestly hope you're right. 1241 00:46:37,805 --> 00:46:39,685 I, I have a little bit a different opinion on, on 1242 00:46:39,685 --> 00:46:41,685 where I think this goes and how it's happening. 1243 00:46:42,105 --> 00:46:43,885 And I think we're at a different phase of 1244 00:46:43,955 --> 00:46:45,765 what is being done through social media. 1245 00:46:46,085 --> 00:46:48,085 I frankly don't see Elon 1246 00:46:48,085 --> 00:46:49,645 as being an honest character in all of this. 1247 00:46:49,665 --> 00:46:51,645 And I think that, you know, somebody with, so with 1248 00:46:52,185 --> 00:46:54,365 for many different government contracts 1249 00:46:54,365 --> 00:46:55,445 and the overlapping, it's obvious 1250 00:46:55,445 --> 00:46:56,365 that there's something else going 1251 00:46:56,365 --> 00:46:57,405 on, I think, in my opinion. 1252 00:46:57,785 --> 00:47:00,165 But I would agree. I mean, I've got my account back, right? 1253 00:47:00,165 --> 00:47:03,365 And I was censored four times on Twitter, you know, . 1254 00:47:03,625 --> 00:47:05,525 And so, and I actually got it reinstated, 1255 00:47:05,545 --> 00:47:07,365 and I, I said this, when it first happened, I said, look, 1256 00:47:07,365 --> 00:47:09,445 and if, you know, I'm not gonna think anything 1257 00:47:09,445 --> 00:47:10,565 until I get my, if I get my 1258 00:47:10,565 --> 00:47:11,605 account back, I don't think it's gonna happen. 1259 00:47:11,605 --> 00:47:13,125 And then it did. And then, you know, and I've, 1260 00:47:13,125 --> 00:47:14,645 and I've leaned into it like I said that I would. 1261 00:47:15,105 --> 00:47:16,285 And you know, and even in the sense 1262 00:47:16,285 --> 00:47:18,325 that I've ar I've said many times that I think 1263 00:47:18,325 --> 00:47:21,045 that it's clear that right now, no matter 1264 00:47:21,045 --> 00:47:23,405 what you look at their Twitter is the best location, 1265 00:47:23,575 --> 00:47:25,125 which I even say grudgingly, 1266 00:47:25,125 --> 00:47:27,125 because I don't think that what they're doing is for, 1267 00:47:27,145 --> 00:47:28,645 in our best interest in the general sense. 1268 00:47:28,645 --> 00:47:30,485 And I'll tell you what I mean. But I, I, 1269 00:47:30,485 --> 00:47:32,205 there's nowhere else that you can get that kind 1270 00:47:32,205 --> 00:47:33,405 of real time information. 1271 00:47:33,425 --> 00:47:35,925 And yes, you have to consider that half of it could be fake, 1272 00:47:36,265 --> 00:47:37,565 but that's just being objective and, 1273 00:47:37,585 --> 00:47:38,845 and questioning everything, right? 1274 00:47:39,065 --> 00:47:41,645 But it's a, like, the type of information you can get 1275 00:47:41,645 --> 00:47:42,805 through there in real time, 1276 00:47:43,645 --> 00:47:45,885 I guarantee is a thorn in the side of a lot of agendas. 1277 00:47:45,885 --> 00:47:47,805 And there's been so many things that have broken down. 1278 00:47:48,245 --> 00:47:50,645 A good small example in, in regard to Israel 1279 00:47:50,645 --> 00:47:52,045 and Gaza, like the first week I think, 1280 00:47:52,045 --> 00:47:54,765 or first couple weeks there, Israel bombed a location 1281 00:47:54,765 --> 00:47:56,565 that killed a Reuters journalist in 1282 00:47:56,565 --> 00:47:57,765 Lebanon right in the beginning. 1283 00:47:58,425 --> 00:48:02,005 And it was immediately self-evident based on sta facts 1284 00:48:02,005 --> 00:48:03,965 that we could prove that they, Israel had stated 1285 00:48:03,965 --> 00:48:05,245 that they were bombing this location. 1286 00:48:05,665 --> 00:48:08,205 And at the same time, timestamped on Twitter, you can see 1287 00:48:08,205 --> 00:48:09,645 that they were there posting that they were present 1288 00:48:09,645 --> 00:48:10,645 with a Reuters journalist 1289 00:48:10,645 --> 00:48:13,325 and three other people, other journalists, the area exactly 1290 00:48:13,325 --> 00:48:14,445 where they were got bombed. 1291 00:48:14,445 --> 00:48:15,845 And the guy was then dead. And I'm like, okay, 1292 00:48:15,845 --> 00:48:17,685 well Israel killed the guy when he bombed him. 1293 00:48:17,745 --> 00:48:19,805 And I came out and I reported that provably, 1294 00:48:20,065 --> 00:48:22,165 and it was like a week and a half until Reuters came back 1295 00:48:22,165 --> 00:48:23,245 and admitted that that happened. 1296 00:48:23,245 --> 00:48:24,565 And I'm thinking, you know, 1297 00:48:24,725 --> 00:48:27,045 whether they are some other level of due diligence 1298 00:48:27,045 --> 00:48:28,845 that I highly doubt they were doing, the point is that 1299 00:48:28,845 --> 00:48:30,965 that real time info was something 1300 00:48:30,965 --> 00:48:31,965 that they weren't even considering, 1301 00:48:31,965 --> 00:48:33,405 or they didn't care, or they were ignoring it. 1302 00:48:33,505 --> 00:48:35,605 But that's the kind of thing that really puts a stick in 1303 00:48:35,605 --> 00:48:37,525 their spokes, you know, it screws up the process. 1304 00:48:37,945 --> 00:48:39,485 So that I think is absolutely good. 1305 00:48:39,485 --> 00:48:41,445 And I think that I've been reaching more people on Twitter 1306 00:48:41,445 --> 00:48:43,805 and so on, but I think that what we're dealing with, 1307 00:48:43,805 --> 00:48:44,965 and let me know when you think about this, 1308 00:48:45,345 --> 00:48:47,565 is more about social engineering, more than it's ever been. 1309 00:48:48,365 --> 00:48:50,765 I think we're in this very alarming setting right now where, 1310 00:48:50,825 --> 00:48:52,485 and by the way, in my ex experience 1311 00:48:52,485 --> 00:48:53,725 and what I've seen, there's been a lot of people 1312 00:48:53,725 --> 00:48:54,885 that have been censored so far. 1313 00:48:55,145 --> 00:48:57,565 Uh, kit Berg, for example, who's just doing good work on, 1314 00:48:57,565 --> 00:48:59,245 on foreign policy was deleted. 1315 00:48:59,245 --> 00:49:01,725 And they fo they followed up and confirmed that situation. 1316 00:49:01,725 --> 00:49:03,005 They said he's been censored and he's gone. 1317 00:49:03,005 --> 00:49:04,765 And, and there's plenty of things he says that I don't agree 1318 00:49:04,765 --> 00:49:06,445 with, you know, it's about free speech, you know, 1319 00:49:06,445 --> 00:49:07,605 and I think we agree that 1320 00:49:07,605 --> 00:49:09,805 that's a paramount absolutist kind of concept. 1321 00:49:10,305 --> 00:49:11,605 And so it's just interesting to see. 1322 00:49:11,665 --> 00:49:13,245 But again, and just like I said with Trump, 1323 00:49:13,265 --> 00:49:14,445 who I also don't support 1324 00:49:14,445 --> 00:49:16,365 or agree with, I hope everyone's right about him. 1325 00:49:16,545 --> 00:49:18,205 We should, right? We should hope that the people 1326 00:49:18,205 --> 00:49:19,645 who see him as a good person are right. 1327 00:49:19,925 --> 00:49:20,965 Because why wouldn't we? 1328 00:49:21,065 --> 00:49:22,845 And I, I hope the same here, you know, 1329 00:49:22,845 --> 00:49:25,525 but I'm very worried about the way that they can use this, 1330 00:49:25,535 --> 00:49:28,325 especially with mostly I think Republicans at this point 1331 00:49:28,635 --> 00:49:30,885 believing that this is on their side 1332 00:49:31,145 --> 00:49:32,325 and then until something turns 1333 00:49:32,385 --> 00:49:34,525 or something like y Carino, you know, is part of this 1334 00:49:34,525 --> 00:49:36,685 and how that could easily go into the direction if Elon 1335 00:49:36,685 --> 00:49:39,005 steps aside, or even the same point we made 1336 00:49:39,005 --> 00:49:41,045 before about what happens to the next person who's in 1337 00:49:41,045 --> 00:49:42,605 control and it, will it go, you know, 1338 00:49:42,715 --> 00:49:43,765 what are your thoughts on all of that? 1339 00:49:43,765 --> 00:49:44,925 Do you think that there's any worry 1340 00:49:44,925 --> 00:49:47,165 that it may just be surreptitious 1341 00:49:47,265 --> 00:49:48,925 and allowing a little bit more reach 1342 00:49:48,925 --> 00:49:50,965 to some while cementing something different? 1343 00:49:51,585 --> 00:49:53,485 - So I think it's possible that, um, 1344 00:49:54,035 --> 00:49:55,925 Elon Musk is not a libertarian, 1345 00:49:56,785 --> 00:49:58,365 but still does good in the world. 1346 00:49:58,745 --> 00:50:00,085 And I, I think that, um, 1347 00:50:00,465 --> 00:50:03,405 Walter Block has this great book called Space Capitalism 1348 00:50:03,415 --> 00:50:06,165 where he, he essentially says, yeah, look, 1349 00:50:06,265 --> 00:50:08,365 Elon's taken all these subsidies, you know, 1350 00:50:08,365 --> 00:50:09,845 at SpaceX from the government. 1351 00:50:09,905 --> 00:50:11,565 So he's, we can't call him a libertarian, 1352 00:50:12,225 --> 00:50:15,485 but clearly he is, you know, sort 1353 00:50:15,485 --> 00:50:20,045 of in a very agos sense, he's sort of made NASA obsolete. 1354 00:50:20,675 --> 00:50:22,285 NASA doesn't fly anymore, right? 1355 00:50:22,345 --> 00:50:24,765 It, it's only SpaceX we have, it's, we've sort 1356 00:50:24,765 --> 00:50:27,625 of privatized, uh, space travel. 1357 00:50:28,245 --> 00:50:31,585 Now, of course, you know, he's taken a bunch of subsidies. 1358 00:50:31,585 --> 00:50:32,785 We can make the argument exactly 1359 00:50:32,845 --> 00:50:34,745 how privatized it is, right? 1360 00:50:34,775 --> 00:50:36,785 It's undeniable that it's better than 1361 00:50:36,785 --> 00:50:37,905 it was under nasa, right? 1362 00:50:37,905 --> 00:50:39,425 We don't have the challenger exploding 1363 00:50:39,725 --> 00:50:40,985 and the other one exploding 1364 00:50:40,985 --> 00:50:42,225 and killing people left and right. 1365 00:50:42,325 --> 00:50:44,825 And, you know, they can't, they can't do it. 1366 00:50:44,825 --> 00:50:46,025 Can't get to the space station. 1367 00:50:46,115 --> 00:50:47,185 We're having to hitch rides 1368 00:50:47,185 --> 00:50:48,465 with the Russians and all this stuff. 1369 00:50:48,845 --> 00:50:52,705 So at least like, yeah, he's not, he's not a rough party 1370 00:50:52,705 --> 00:50:54,865 and he's not, probably not even a libertarian compared 1371 00:50:54,865 --> 00:50:57,625 to us, or even like a, a free thinker in the, 1372 00:50:57,625 --> 00:50:59,065 in the sense that we would use it. 1373 00:50:59,805 --> 00:51:04,585 Um, but it's certainly better than, uh, than what it was. 1374 00:51:04,585 --> 00:51:07,425 And I think that's true in terms of space travel, in terms 1375 00:51:07,485 --> 00:51:09,665 of, um, social media. 1376 00:51:10,055 --> 00:51:12,185 There's a lot of shit he does that I don't like. 1377 00:51:12,405 --> 00:51:15,105 Um, I've seen people censored for, like, again, 1378 00:51:15,105 --> 00:51:16,785 like you said, a lot of foreign policy stuff. 1379 00:51:16,945 --> 00:51:20,625 I think that at the end of the day, he's the businessman. 1380 00:51:20,645 --> 00:51:22,145 He kind of does mm-Hmm. 1381 00:51:22,185 --> 00:51:24,105 sort of bow to financial pressure, 1382 00:51:24,515 --> 00:51:25,945 which I understand. 1383 00:51:26,135 --> 00:51:28,465 He's gotta like sort of, you know, keep the doors open, 1384 00:51:28,555 --> 00:51:30,785 which it makes sense, isn't 1385 00:51:30,785 --> 00:51:32,905 how I would run Twitter or SpaceX. 1386 00:51:33,305 --> 00:51:34,745 Probably not, you know what I mean? I wouldn't be doing 1387 00:51:34,745 --> 00:51:37,065 government contracts or anything like that. 1388 00:51:37,105 --> 00:51:39,745 I wouldn't even let politicians on the platform. Right. 1389 00:51:40,105 --> 00:51:42,305 I wouldn't even let political speech on the platform. 1390 00:51:42,615 --> 00:51:43,665 - That is an interesting point. 1391 00:51:44,495 --> 00:51:45,625 - Yeah. I wouldn't want them to spread 1392 00:51:45,865 --> 00:51:46,945 violence using my platform. 1393 00:51:47,085 --> 00:51:49,385 So, you know, I I, I don't think he's perfect, 1394 00:51:49,605 --> 00:51:52,625 but I do commend him on this, this, this small steps. 1395 00:51:57,585 --> 00:52:00,075 - Did I lose you? - Sure. 1396 00:52:00,205 --> 00:52:01,915 Again, like you said, he'll be, does I 1397 00:52:01,915 --> 00:52:04,195 - Lost you there for a second, you said I do commend him on 1398 00:52:04,195 --> 00:52:05,435 and then you got cut off for a second. 1399 00:52:07,305 --> 00:52:09,555 - Yeah, no, I, I, I do convince him on what, you know, 1400 00:52:09,835 --> 00:52:11,115 progress he has made so far. 1401 00:52:11,335 --> 00:52:12,955 Mm-Hmm. . And like you said, you know, I, 1402 00:52:13,035 --> 00:52:14,635 I hope that people are right about him 1403 00:52:14,735 --> 00:52:15,915 in, in that sort of sense. 1404 00:52:16,315 --> 00:52:17,395 I don't have that, that sort 1405 00:52:17,395 --> 00:52:18,755 of confidence about Donald Trump 1406 00:52:18,785 --> 00:52:21,795 because we've already seen, um, he's already, you know, 1407 00:52:21,795 --> 00:52:23,155 had had the, the reins 1408 00:52:23,155 --> 00:52:25,555 for four years when we know he's responsible 1409 00:52:25,575 --> 00:52:27,795 for more inflation than any president in history 1410 00:52:27,855 --> 00:52:30,115 and he murdered American children in Yemen 1411 00:52:30,135 --> 00:52:33,595 and four years war in Afghanistan and tariffs 1412 00:52:33,615 --> 00:52:34,755 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 1413 00:52:34,775 --> 00:52:36,555 So I'm not that confident about him, 1414 00:52:36,655 --> 00:52:39,635 but a market actor I have much more faith in. 1415 00:52:40,305 --> 00:52:42,195 - Yeah, well you made an interesting point there about, 1416 00:52:42,355 --> 00:52:44,995 about politicians and it's an interesting concept 1417 00:52:45,065 --> 00:52:46,955 that we even allow, you know, 1418 00:52:47,055 --> 00:52:48,915 so it's this weird little game they play 1419 00:52:48,915 --> 00:52:50,275 where they've got the official account, 1420 00:52:50,295 --> 00:52:51,635 but then they've got their personal account 1421 00:52:51,635 --> 00:52:52,835 and they can say things and other, 1422 00:52:53,015 --> 00:52:55,155 and they've used them interchangeably all the time, 1423 00:52:55,335 --> 00:52:57,115 but then when they need to, they can pretend like 1424 00:52:57,115 --> 00:52:58,955 that was in my personal capacity and Right. 1425 00:52:58,955 --> 00:53:01,155 You know, which, which is a real thing. But on the old 1426 00:53:01,155 --> 00:53:05,395 - Twitter, they used to get you for, uh, like harassment. 1427 00:53:05,535 --> 00:53:08,795 If you went on their, um, personal account, you would have 1428 00:53:08,795 --> 00:53:10,755 to go onto their public account if you, 1429 00:53:10,755 --> 00:53:12,035 on their personal account, they could get 1430 00:53:12,035 --> 00:53:13,555 you for harassment. 1431 00:53:13,775 --> 00:53:14,835 So now I just harass them. 1432 00:53:14,935 --> 00:53:16,235 Now I can, but now that and you ons back, 1433 00:53:16,235 --> 00:53:17,515 I can harass 'em from both sides. 1434 00:53:18,155 --> 00:53:19,155 . 1435 00:53:19,785 --> 00:53:21,515 - Well, there you go. It's all worth it. . 1436 00:53:21,885 --> 00:53:25,035 - Right, exactly. - Well, that's good, man. 1437 00:53:25,085 --> 00:53:26,365 I really enjoyed talking with you today. 1438 00:53:26,485 --> 00:53:28,605 I think, you know, we're I I, if you wanted 1439 00:53:28,605 --> 00:53:30,125 to get into a couple of, you know, I really, 1440 00:53:30,165 --> 00:53:32,285 I think it's best, I I love the conversation we just had 1441 00:53:32,305 --> 00:53:34,845 and I was gonna get into a couple of, um, you know, 1442 00:53:34,845 --> 00:53:36,965 current events, talk about things that are going on. 1443 00:53:37,085 --> 00:53:38,885 I mean, you made some interesting comments about like the, 1444 00:53:38,885 --> 00:53:40,525 you know, the recent coup and, and stuff like that. 1445 00:53:40,545 --> 00:53:42,245 But I'd love to just connect with you again 1446 00:53:42,385 --> 00:53:43,485 and have a full of different 1447 00:53:43,485 --> 00:53:45,045 conversation about a lot of other stuff. 1448 00:53:45,225 --> 00:53:46,365 So I really like that. 1449 00:53:46,445 --> 00:53:49,445 I hope that this will reach some people in, in, in regard 1450 00:53:49,445 --> 00:53:51,245 to further, at least, at least entice them 1451 00:53:51,245 --> 00:53:52,845 to further understand where you're coming from 1452 00:53:52,985 --> 00:53:54,245 and the beliefs you have, which, most 1453 00:53:54,245 --> 00:53:56,165 of which I share the idea that, you know, 1454 00:53:56,505 --> 00:53:57,525 we just don't need the government. 1455 00:53:57,545 --> 00:53:59,285 And I really hope people can recognize that, that it's, 1456 00:53:59,395 --> 00:54:01,125 it's more simple than they understand. 1457 00:54:01,225 --> 00:54:03,165 And I, I, you know, love what you do, man. 1458 00:54:03,225 --> 00:54:05,205 So anything you wanna leave us with today, you know, 1459 00:54:05,205 --> 00:54:06,925 work your, wanna shout out upcoming events, 1460 00:54:07,205 --> 00:54:08,445 anything you wanna pro promote before we 1461 00:54:08,445 --> 00:54:09,445 - Leave? 1462 00:54:09,445 --> 00:54:10,205 Yeah, so, um, if you, if you guys, 1463 00:54:10,305 --> 00:54:12,045 if you're interested in the, the, 1464 00:54:12,155 --> 00:54:14,325 what I'm saying about anarchism ago, 1465 00:54:14,415 --> 00:54:17,285 check out my book Anti-Politics, which is sort of a, uh, 1466 00:54:17,735 --> 00:54:20,005 collection of agos essays that sort 1467 00:54:20,005 --> 00:54:22,125 of help people understand and digest all of that. 1468 00:54:22,385 --> 00:54:24,765 And my book, the American Experiment, sort of runs 1469 00:54:24,765 --> 00:54:28,925 through the whole, uh, historical analysis of how we got to 1470 00:54:28,925 --> 00:54:30,165 where we are today and, 1471 00:54:30,185 --> 00:54:32,525 and what sort of hope we have for the future. 1472 00:54:32,825 --> 00:54:34,845 So check all that stuff out. Yeah, that, there you go. 1473 00:54:34,845 --> 00:54:37,565 There's the page. You can find all the links there, um, 1474 00:54:37,565 --> 00:54:39,605 saudi worth.com/books. 1475 00:54:39,715 --> 00:54:43,085 Also agora threads.com for, you know, agos merchandise 1476 00:54:43,425 --> 00:54:45,845 and 3D printer gobert, where you can buy 3D printers 1477 00:54:45,905 --> 00:54:48,285 and 3D printing supplies for cryptocurrency. 1478 00:54:48,425 --> 00:54:51,125 So check all that stuff out. Follow me on social media. 1479 00:54:51,955 --> 00:54:54,525 SRIs, Sally Mayweather, I'm on all your, 1480 00:54:54,525 --> 00:54:55,765 your favorite platforms. 1481 00:54:55,875 --> 00:54:58,005 It's shouldn't be too hard to find me. So 1482 00:54:58,555 --> 00:54:59,555 - Outstanding. 1483 00:54:59,555 --> 00:55:00,925 Well, we'll, we'll have to talk later about the 1484 00:55:00,935 --> 00:55:02,245 three printers, . 1485 00:55:02,355 --> 00:55:05,005 - Yeah, absolutely. - Alright, man, 1486 00:55:05,005 --> 00:55:06,005 well it's been great talking with you 1487 00:55:06,005 --> 00:55:07,405 and I'm looking forward to talking with you again 1488 00:55:07,585 --> 00:55:10,525 and have everybody out there as always question everything, 1489 00:55:10,755 --> 00:55:11,845 come to your own conclusions. 1490 00:55:12,155 --> 00:55:12,765 Stay vigilant.