1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,319 Humanware has released the third generation of their 2 00:00:02,319 --> 00:00:05,459 Victor Reader stream. Aaron Lindson from Lab Computers 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,200 will be joining me to tell us all 4 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,519 about it on this week's episode of Life 5 00:00:09,519 --> 00:00:10,339 After Blindness. 6 00:00:23,614 --> 00:00:25,774 Hello, and welcome to the Life After Blindness 7 00:00:25,774 --> 00:00:28,289 podcast. I'm your host, Tim Schwartz. And thank 8 00:00:28,289 --> 00:00:31,009 you so so much for joining me here 9 00:00:31,009 --> 00:00:33,090 on today's show. Before we get to our 10 00:00:33,090 --> 00:00:34,850 guest, I just want to give a quick 11 00:00:34,850 --> 00:00:36,689 reminder that if you have any questions or 12 00:00:36,689 --> 00:00:38,850 comments or suggestions for us here at Life 13 00:00:38,850 --> 00:00:40,850 After Blindness, please send us an email. 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Joining me 26 00:01:12,194 --> 00:01:14,935 to talk about the new Victor Reader Stream 27 00:01:15,075 --> 00:01:16,534 third generation from Humanware 28 00:01:16,994 --> 00:01:19,635 is Aaron Linson, who is a products product 29 00:01:19,635 --> 00:01:22,915 support specialist from Lab Computers. Aaron, welcome to 30 00:01:22,915 --> 00:01:23,894 Life After Blindness. 31 00:01:24,799 --> 00:01:25,700 Thanks, Sam. 32 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,079 Now, Aaron, I say that you're a product 33 00:01:28,079 --> 00:01:29,760 support specialist, which we can get into what 34 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,439 that means and and what all that encompasses 35 00:01:31,439 --> 00:01:33,040 here in a bit. Uh-huh. But you also 36 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,859 wear so many other hats. For example, 37 00:01:36,159 --> 00:01:37,760 couple years ago or a few years ago, 38 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,340 you and I, co presented on a panel 39 00:01:40,694 --> 00:01:44,534 for the ACB's national convention about smart home 40 00:01:44,534 --> 00:01:47,015 technology that, you know, assistive smart home technology 41 00:01:47,015 --> 00:01:48,875 for people that are blind or visually impaired, 42 00:01:48,935 --> 00:01:50,295 which was so much fun, by the way. 43 00:01:50,295 --> 00:01:51,814 That was that was so much, you know, 44 00:01:51,814 --> 00:01:53,655 fun to do, and, we got a lot 45 00:01:53,655 --> 00:01:55,655 of really great feedback from that. And and, 46 00:01:55,814 --> 00:01:57,870 I really enjoyed doing that. But I know 47 00:01:57,870 --> 00:01:59,630 that you do so many other things outside 48 00:01:59,630 --> 00:02:01,630 of your, you know, product support, that you 49 00:02:01,630 --> 00:02:03,469 do with Lab Computer. Can you give the 50 00:02:03,469 --> 00:02:04,829 audience just a little bit of an idea 51 00:02:04,829 --> 00:02:06,350 of what other kind of things you're involved 52 00:02:06,350 --> 00:02:09,810 in? Sure. Sure. Sure. So I came from 53 00:02:09,949 --> 00:02:12,134 actually a recreating background, and, 54 00:02:12,775 --> 00:02:14,555 unfortunately, I was one of the, 55 00:02:17,254 --> 00:02:18,215 350 56 00:02:18,215 --> 00:02:20,055 contractors who were laid off in the talent 57 00:02:20,055 --> 00:02:22,555 acquisition space and then found out that 58 00:02:23,014 --> 00:02:26,794 Amazon itself was laying off another 18,000 59 00:02:28,750 --> 00:02:30,689 corporate employees, which included 60 00:02:31,069 --> 00:02:33,150 a lot of my colleagues within the town 61 00:02:33,150 --> 00:02:34,210 acquisition space. 62 00:02:34,990 --> 00:02:37,889 And as the markets got flooded 63 00:02:38,270 --> 00:02:38,770 with 64 00:02:39,629 --> 00:02:40,129 recruiters 65 00:02:40,775 --> 00:02:43,415 of myself who are like minded people looking 66 00:02:43,415 --> 00:02:45,594 for jobs, I thought it was a 67 00:02:45,974 --> 00:02:46,715 great opportunity 68 00:02:49,014 --> 00:02:50,794 to switch into something different. 69 00:02:51,094 --> 00:02:54,215 And a friend of mine, actually, one of 70 00:02:54,215 --> 00:02:54,659 my 71 00:02:56,419 --> 00:02:56,919 colleagues 72 00:02:57,219 --> 00:02:59,719 at at Lab Computers reached out to me 73 00:02:59,780 --> 00:03:02,020 and said, hey. I have a position for 74 00:03:02,020 --> 00:03:04,260 you. Are you interested in taking it? And 75 00:03:04,260 --> 00:03:06,500 I said, sure. Let's start small and kinda 76 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:08,099 see where it goes and and, 77 00:03:09,795 --> 00:03:12,034 see how everything works out. And and here 78 00:03:12,034 --> 00:03:13,974 I am, talking to you today. 79 00:03:15,075 --> 00:03:16,594 Very cool. And I'm so glad that you 80 00:03:16,594 --> 00:03:19,155 are because you've got some, great insight to 81 00:03:19,155 --> 00:03:21,014 different assistive technology products, 82 00:03:21,314 --> 00:03:24,790 including the, Humanware Victor Reader Stream third generation 83 00:03:24,790 --> 00:03:26,169 that we're gonna talk about today. 84 00:03:26,469 --> 00:03:28,710 And, so I'm I'm really grateful that you've 85 00:03:28,710 --> 00:03:30,870 been able to do this. And, you have 86 00:03:30,870 --> 00:03:32,629 been testing products like this and and doing 87 00:03:32,629 --> 00:03:34,694 these things for quite a long time. Right? 88 00:03:35,254 --> 00:03:37,115 Yeah. Yeah. So, actually, I'm still, 89 00:03:37,655 --> 00:03:39,675 I still do it with with Google, 90 00:03:40,855 --> 00:03:41,355 testing 91 00:03:41,895 --> 00:03:42,715 new innovations 92 00:03:43,094 --> 00:03:43,594 of, 93 00:03:44,055 --> 00:03:46,395 TalkBack and what's coming out there and 94 00:03:46,694 --> 00:03:47,275 and some 95 00:03:47,575 --> 00:03:48,075 applications 96 00:03:48,455 --> 00:03:48,955 that 97 00:03:49,415 --> 00:03:49,895 they, 98 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,819 that they have coming out, like, 99 00:03:54,639 --> 00:03:55,139 the 100 00:03:55,439 --> 00:03:56,979 Google Lookout application. 101 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:58,340 There's 102 00:03:59,120 --> 00:03:59,620 been 103 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,199 implementations and improvements based on our feedback. I've 104 00:04:03,199 --> 00:04:04,500 been doing that for, 105 00:04:04,915 --> 00:04:05,415 gosh, 106 00:04:05,875 --> 00:04:07,735 since about 02/2016, 107 00:04:09,075 --> 00:04:11,094 in different capacities. And then, 108 00:04:11,875 --> 00:04:12,375 and 109 00:04:12,835 --> 00:04:13,895 I also do 110 00:04:15,075 --> 00:04:15,575 user 111 00:04:16,274 --> 00:04:16,774 interviews 112 00:04:17,475 --> 00:04:18,455 with Fable 113 00:04:19,019 --> 00:04:20,560 as a accessibility consultant, 114 00:04:21,500 --> 00:04:23,259 as well too. So I do that on 115 00:04:23,259 --> 00:04:24,000 the side, 116 00:04:24,620 --> 00:04:25,120 too. 117 00:04:26,220 --> 00:04:28,139 Wow. So you definitely are a busy guy. 118 00:04:28,139 --> 00:04:30,779 Jeez. Okay. Yes. I'm very grateful then even 119 00:04:30,779 --> 00:04:32,544 more so to to have, a little bit 120 00:04:32,544 --> 00:04:34,305 of time to talk with you because you're 121 00:04:34,305 --> 00:04:36,305 just, you're just all over the place. Well, 122 00:04:36,305 --> 00:04:37,824 let's go ahead and just get right into 123 00:04:37,824 --> 00:04:40,625 it then because as I mentioned, Humanware has 124 00:04:40,625 --> 00:04:41,125 announced, 125 00:04:41,665 --> 00:04:44,324 finally, after a a a long time of 126 00:04:44,399 --> 00:04:46,479 hearing about it. Years. Yeah. It's been for 127 00:04:46,479 --> 00:04:48,399 forever. And I think the first time we 128 00:04:48,399 --> 00:04:49,919 even heard that this could be possible was 129 00:04:49,919 --> 00:04:52,160 at CSUN a couple years ago. Uh-huh. The 130 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,979 assistive technology conference, that goes on every year. 131 00:04:55,039 --> 00:04:55,860 And Right. 132 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,560 I know a lot of people that really 133 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,935 love the design and and the Uh-huh. 134 00:05:01,274 --> 00:05:03,394 The independent or individual nature of the Victor 135 00:05:03,394 --> 00:05:04,214 Reader Stream. 136 00:05:04,675 --> 00:05:05,875 Why don't we, first of all, just in 137 00:05:05,875 --> 00:05:07,954 case anybody out there doesn't know, because we're 138 00:05:07,954 --> 00:05:09,634 into the third iteration of this, of course, 139 00:05:09,634 --> 00:05:11,235 and so it's around for a very long 140 00:05:11,235 --> 00:05:12,995 time. But maybe there are some people that 141 00:05:12,995 --> 00:05:15,050 don't quite know what this device is in 142 00:05:15,050 --> 00:05:16,330 general and what it does and what it's 143 00:05:16,330 --> 00:05:17,770 for. So why don't you give a little 144 00:05:17,770 --> 00:05:19,290 bit of an overview, first of all, of 145 00:05:19,290 --> 00:05:21,689 of what the Victory Reader Stream is? Sure. 146 00:05:21,689 --> 00:05:23,930 No problem. So the Victory Reader Stream is 147 00:05:23,930 --> 00:05:25,149 what's called a digital 148 00:05:25,449 --> 00:05:28,509 DAISY book prayer. And DAISY is a 149 00:05:30,305 --> 00:05:33,525 format, an auto an audible format that allows 150 00:05:33,585 --> 00:05:36,225 for basically what I like to call sighted 151 00:05:36,225 --> 00:05:36,725 reading 152 00:05:37,025 --> 00:05:38,405 without the sight. 153 00:05:39,425 --> 00:05:40,485 You so you can 154 00:05:40,944 --> 00:05:44,485 highlight bookmarks certain passages. You can bookmark specific 155 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:46,660 pages, you 156 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:47,740 can 157 00:05:48,319 --> 00:05:51,199 highlight specific words, and and do all this 158 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:53,040 this stuff that a sighted person would be 159 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,060 able to do with say a highlighter 160 00:05:55,919 --> 00:05:58,800 and a regular printed book, but we can 161 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,685 do the same thing with auto, audio content. 162 00:06:02,224 --> 00:06:03,604 And that's basically what 163 00:06:04,064 --> 00:06:06,464 it was, the first generation was, but then 164 00:06:06,464 --> 00:06:08,724 it has evolved into so much more. 165 00:06:09,425 --> 00:06:10,164 You can 166 00:06:10,464 --> 00:06:10,964 play, 167 00:06:11,985 --> 00:06:14,704 MP3s on it. You can play audible content 168 00:06:14,704 --> 00:06:15,444 on it. 169 00:06:16,009 --> 00:06:16,830 You can 170 00:06:17,210 --> 00:06:17,710 download 171 00:06:18,330 --> 00:06:21,610 text, words, PDF documents, and read that stuff 172 00:06:21,610 --> 00:06:22,590 on. So it's become, 173 00:06:24,569 --> 00:06:24,889 a 174 00:06:25,370 --> 00:06:26,509 just a library 175 00:06:27,735 --> 00:06:28,774 within your hand. 176 00:06:29,735 --> 00:06:30,394 You can 177 00:06:30,854 --> 00:06:31,354 download 178 00:06:32,294 --> 00:06:32,794 Audible, 179 00:06:35,095 --> 00:06:35,595 Audible, 180 00:06:36,055 --> 00:06:36,555 NLS, 181 00:06:37,175 --> 00:06:39,035 and even NFB Newsline, 182 00:06:40,470 --> 00:06:40,970 magazines, 183 00:06:41,350 --> 00:06:41,850 publications, 184 00:06:42,150 --> 00:06:44,170 and read those on the go as well. 185 00:06:44,310 --> 00:06:45,770 So it's become a really 186 00:06:46,470 --> 00:06:48,550 huge part of a lot of people's lives 187 00:06:48,550 --> 00:06:50,389 and a huge part of my life as 188 00:06:50,389 --> 00:06:52,634 well. And I never thought that, you know, 189 00:06:52,795 --> 00:06:53,615 especially with 190 00:06:54,154 --> 00:06:55,935 innovations like the iPhone, that 191 00:06:56,235 --> 00:06:59,115 something like the victory of the stream would 192 00:06:59,115 --> 00:07:00,795 be as popular as it is, and it 193 00:07:00,795 --> 00:07:02,875 and it really is. And I can I 194 00:07:02,875 --> 00:07:03,615 do see, 195 00:07:04,314 --> 00:07:05,430 the benefit of it 196 00:07:06,389 --> 00:07:08,470 because I'm also a user of these products 197 00:07:08,470 --> 00:07:10,389 as well, which I think is something really 198 00:07:10,389 --> 00:07:11,930 unique that I bring, 199 00:07:12,789 --> 00:07:14,789 to the table here is, you know, I'm 200 00:07:14,789 --> 00:07:16,089 not just a, 201 00:07:16,550 --> 00:07:19,110 say, a a product support or customer support 202 00:07:19,110 --> 00:07:19,610 representative 203 00:07:20,470 --> 00:07:23,024 who, you know, has site? I'm a 204 00:07:23,324 --> 00:07:25,645 blind person like you guys out there as 205 00:07:25,645 --> 00:07:26,145 well 206 00:07:27,085 --> 00:07:29,004 that I use these products on a daily 207 00:07:29,004 --> 00:07:29,504 basis. 208 00:07:30,285 --> 00:07:32,125 I'm not just a tester. I'm also a 209 00:07:32,125 --> 00:07:32,625 client. 210 00:07:33,085 --> 00:07:33,585 Exactly. 211 00:07:34,125 --> 00:07:34,625 Exactly. 212 00:07:35,209 --> 00:07:36,810 No. Absolutely. That's a that's a great way 213 00:07:36,810 --> 00:07:38,170 to look at the Victor Reader stream. And 214 00:07:38,170 --> 00:07:39,850 we'll do we'll talk maybe more about that 215 00:07:39,850 --> 00:07:42,410 later about the the individual nature, the personal 216 00:07:42,410 --> 00:07:44,810 nature of using a Victor Reader as opposed 217 00:07:44,810 --> 00:07:46,410 to, say, using an iPhone or an Android 218 00:07:46,410 --> 00:07:48,154 phone like you mentioned. Because I know a 219 00:07:48,154 --> 00:07:50,154 lot of people, and myself included maybe in 220 00:07:50,154 --> 00:07:51,834 the past on on other programs I've been 221 00:07:51,834 --> 00:07:54,154 on. I I've raised that question, maybe not 222 00:07:54,154 --> 00:07:56,154 completely believing the question, but just being devil's 223 00:07:56,154 --> 00:07:57,294 advocate to say, 224 00:07:57,595 --> 00:07:59,595 okay. But I can do all of this 225 00:07:59,595 --> 00:08:02,019 on my phone. So why do I need 226 00:08:02,019 --> 00:08:03,620 this? Now I know the answer to that, 227 00:08:03,620 --> 00:08:05,379 and we'll talk talk about that here in 228 00:08:05,379 --> 00:08:06,199 a bit. But, 229 00:08:06,740 --> 00:08:08,419 but, yeah, the the Victor Reader stream for 230 00:08:08,419 --> 00:08:09,779 many, many years has been able to do 231 00:08:09,779 --> 00:08:12,259 many different things like you said. And and 232 00:08:12,259 --> 00:08:14,660 has become really important to a lot of 233 00:08:14,660 --> 00:08:17,235 people, whether they wanna use a smartphone or 234 00:08:17,235 --> 00:08:20,194 not. This has become a really great device 235 00:08:20,194 --> 00:08:22,355 for people. So in the first Victor Reader 236 00:08:22,355 --> 00:08:24,595 stream, I mean, it was simple, although they 237 00:08:24,595 --> 00:08:25,955 say simple, but it still did a lot 238 00:08:25,955 --> 00:08:27,795 of things, like you mentioned with Daisy Books 239 00:08:27,795 --> 00:08:29,394 and being able to play audio with m 240 00:08:29,394 --> 00:08:31,459 p threes and anything. If you could download 241 00:08:31,459 --> 00:08:32,820 it, you could play it because you could 242 00:08:32,820 --> 00:08:34,980 put it on the SD card that that 243 00:08:34,980 --> 00:08:36,419 you could pop into the to the top 244 00:08:36,419 --> 00:08:38,339 of the Victor Reader stream, and and it 245 00:08:38,339 --> 00:08:40,259 would you know, you could catalog everything by 246 00:08:40,259 --> 00:08:42,839 folders, and and it was fantastic. I loved 247 00:08:43,024 --> 00:08:44,785 having my first Victor Reader stream and and 248 00:08:44,785 --> 00:08:46,065 be able to use it for for all 249 00:08:46,065 --> 00:08:48,304 those different things. I would download audio for 250 00:08:48,304 --> 00:08:49,825 pretty much anything I could get my hands 251 00:08:49,825 --> 00:08:51,585 on and put it on that thing and 252 00:08:51,585 --> 00:08:53,105 and and play it, and it was just 253 00:08:53,105 --> 00:08:54,945 fantastic. And like you said, be able to 254 00:08:54,945 --> 00:08:56,945 mark it with bookmarks and chapters and and 255 00:08:56,945 --> 00:08:58,910 all the different things you can do. And 256 00:08:58,910 --> 00:09:01,389 then they came to the second generation Victor 257 00:09:01,389 --> 00:09:02,769 Reader Stream, which added 258 00:09:03,309 --> 00:09:05,790 a couple of different things that the original 259 00:09:05,790 --> 00:09:07,870 couldn't do. Because, for instance, anything with the 260 00:09:07,870 --> 00:09:09,629 original, you had to plug it directly into 261 00:09:09,629 --> 00:09:12,509 a computer. But the second had had a 262 00:09:12,509 --> 00:09:15,304 few more, four few more features, didn't it? 263 00:09:15,524 --> 00:09:17,784 It did. And that's where we got the 264 00:09:18,004 --> 00:09:19,865 being able to sign in to, 265 00:09:20,485 --> 00:09:22,745 essentially, your Barter Bookshare account, 266 00:09:23,924 --> 00:09:25,284 here in The States, and, 267 00:09:26,829 --> 00:09:29,309 you download directly to the device. You didn't 268 00:09:29,309 --> 00:09:30,829 have to go to the computer to do 269 00:09:30,829 --> 00:09:32,370 that anymore, which was, 270 00:09:33,789 --> 00:09:35,870 really big for the time. And then it 271 00:09:35,870 --> 00:09:37,889 also added a little bit, 272 00:09:39,149 --> 00:09:41,409 on the Bluetooth side to where you could, 273 00:09:42,884 --> 00:09:45,925 put in, or use, like, say, AirPods or 274 00:09:45,925 --> 00:09:47,304 any other wireless 275 00:09:47,845 --> 00:09:50,325 headphones or earbuds you wanted to. And then 276 00:09:50,325 --> 00:09:52,985 it also added, Internet radio streaming, 277 00:09:53,684 --> 00:09:55,524 as well. And then a feature update that 278 00:09:55,524 --> 00:09:58,500 added the ability to download podcasts too. So 279 00:09:58,500 --> 00:10:00,899 now that we've set the stage for Okay. 280 00:10:00,980 --> 00:10:03,059 The Victor Reader Stream and its history and 281 00:10:03,059 --> 00:10:05,300 and where the previous devices have been Sure. 282 00:10:05,460 --> 00:10:07,480 Let's dive on into this third generation. 283 00:10:08,820 --> 00:10:11,080 My understanding is most of the 284 00:10:11,445 --> 00:10:14,245 functionality as far as buttons and and things 285 00:10:14,245 --> 00:10:16,184 like that are basically the same? 286 00:10:17,045 --> 00:10:17,545 Yeah. 287 00:10:18,004 --> 00:10:20,085 Basically the same. You do have some different 288 00:10:20,085 --> 00:10:22,165 tweaks on settings. So if you're in your 289 00:10:22,165 --> 00:10:24,725 bookshelf and you press and hold the your 290 00:10:24,725 --> 00:10:26,325 seven key, that will jump you into the 291 00:10:26,325 --> 00:10:28,460 bookshelf settings. So you're not having to drill 292 00:10:28,460 --> 00:10:30,000 down into settings. 293 00:10:31,659 --> 00:10:35,179 Likewise with the serial number where you had 294 00:10:35,179 --> 00:10:37,980 to press zero a bunch of times to 295 00:10:37,980 --> 00:10:40,075 get to that serial number, you can just 296 00:10:40,075 --> 00:10:41,294 press and hold 5, 297 00:10:41,914 --> 00:10:44,075 and it will read out that information. So 298 00:10:44,075 --> 00:10:46,095 it kind of will easy way to find 299 00:10:46,235 --> 00:10:48,634 different shortcuts to to the different settings and 300 00:10:48,634 --> 00:10:49,934 things that you would need, 301 00:10:50,394 --> 00:10:52,409 quick access to. But, 302 00:10:52,870 --> 00:10:54,090 overall, on a 303 00:10:54,549 --> 00:10:57,269 on a dimensions level and the way it 304 00:10:57,269 --> 00:10:58,970 looks, it's pretty much the same. 305 00:10:59,429 --> 00:10:59,929 They've 306 00:11:00,629 --> 00:11:01,129 added 307 00:11:01,590 --> 00:11:03,929 they've changed the the button texture 308 00:11:04,365 --> 00:11:06,544 to a more grippy texture because 309 00:11:07,164 --> 00:11:10,365 myself included with the Victory to Stream second 310 00:11:10,365 --> 00:11:10,865 generation, 311 00:11:11,245 --> 00:11:12,384 the one that's out 312 00:11:13,004 --> 00:11:14,065 as of now 313 00:11:14,445 --> 00:11:16,705 when when we are recording this, 314 00:11:18,129 --> 00:11:21,110 it has a plastic texture to the buttons, 315 00:11:21,169 --> 00:11:23,089 to to every single button. It's really kinda 316 00:11:23,089 --> 00:11:23,990 hard to distinguish 317 00:11:24,929 --> 00:11:27,189 those those buttons. And with the 318 00:11:28,049 --> 00:11:28,789 the textured, 319 00:11:30,850 --> 00:11:32,789 more tactile feel, it's easier 320 00:11:33,865 --> 00:11:35,704 to, figure out where you are on the 321 00:11:35,704 --> 00:11:36,204 device. 322 00:11:36,825 --> 00:11:38,825 I was reading something about that that that 323 00:11:38,825 --> 00:11:40,904 it does apparently seem to be easier to 324 00:11:40,904 --> 00:11:42,745 feel and and to differentiate, like you said, 325 00:11:42,745 --> 00:11:45,884 between the different buttons, especially especially your, 326 00:11:46,230 --> 00:11:47,829 you know, buttons, you know, one through nine 327 00:11:47,829 --> 00:11:49,669 and and the zero and all that. And 328 00:11:49,669 --> 00:11:53,129 I also saw where they've added some extra 329 00:11:53,190 --> 00:11:55,509 tactile feel to some of the numbers on 330 00:11:55,509 --> 00:11:58,149 on the button pad. So, obviously, like most 331 00:11:58,149 --> 00:11:59,669 number pads, you've got a little notch on 332 00:11:59,669 --> 00:12:01,695 the number five so you can orientate to 333 00:12:01,695 --> 00:12:04,095 that. But then I saw something about the 334 00:12:04,095 --> 00:12:06,254 two I think it's two, four, six, and 335 00:12:06,254 --> 00:12:06,754 eight, 336 00:12:07,134 --> 00:12:09,054 for navigational. They've they've added a little bit 337 00:12:09,054 --> 00:12:10,434 more feel to those buttons. 338 00:12:11,215 --> 00:12:13,855 Yeah. It's it's more textured. And I think 339 00:12:13,855 --> 00:12:14,595 with the 340 00:12:15,019 --> 00:12:16,320 the outgoing one, 341 00:12:17,740 --> 00:12:20,059 my my, two, four, six, and eight keys, 342 00:12:20,059 --> 00:12:20,860 the the, 343 00:12:21,580 --> 00:12:22,320 the plastic 344 00:12:22,860 --> 00:12:25,660 feeling on them to where the the bumps 345 00:12:25,660 --> 00:12:28,235 have actually rubbed off because I've, you know, 346 00:12:28,294 --> 00:12:29,735 those are the ones that you press a 347 00:12:29,735 --> 00:12:32,875 lot when navigating a book. And so 348 00:12:33,254 --> 00:12:35,975 with this new texture, that probably that is 349 00:12:35,975 --> 00:12:37,355 not likely to happen 350 00:12:38,134 --> 00:12:40,214 as much now. Yeah. I really like that. 351 00:12:40,214 --> 00:12:41,865 I think it's a great idea to have 352 00:12:41,865 --> 00:12:43,765 that texture be physically part of the button 353 00:12:43,765 --> 00:12:45,665 instead of maybe, like, an overlay or a 354 00:12:45,665 --> 00:12:47,566 sticker, whatever it was before where it could 355 00:12:47,566 --> 00:12:49,703 wear off, like you said, with your Uh-huh. 356 00:12:49,941 --> 00:12:52,079 Previous generation, picture reader. And so to have 357 00:12:52,079 --> 00:12:53,979 it actually part of it, hopefully, it won't 358 00:12:53,979 --> 00:12:55,879 be an issue as as to rubbing off, 359 00:12:55,879 --> 00:12:57,815 and you will be able to feel that, 360 00:12:57,875 --> 00:12:59,554 you know, that difference between the buttons. So 361 00:12:59,554 --> 00:13:01,554 I I do really, really like that they've 362 00:13:01,554 --> 00:13:03,554 thought about that and and and implemented something 363 00:13:03,554 --> 00:13:05,634 like that. As far as the other buttons 364 00:13:05,634 --> 00:13:07,714 and and locations of things, I know you 365 00:13:07,714 --> 00:13:09,074 said they're pretty much all in the same 366 00:13:09,074 --> 00:13:10,855 place. I I did see where 367 00:13:11,299 --> 00:13:12,980 they've gone back to having, 368 00:13:14,019 --> 00:13:16,759 different ports or separate ports for a microphone 369 00:13:16,899 --> 00:13:18,500 in as well as your headphones, which I 370 00:13:18,500 --> 00:13:20,500 think was it the Victor Reader Stream two 371 00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:22,419 that they just went to the one jack 372 00:13:22,419 --> 00:13:25,139 and and and, and then now they've split 373 00:13:25,139 --> 00:13:27,125 it back to two again? Yeah. They split 374 00:13:27,125 --> 00:13:28,644 it split it back to two. So your 375 00:13:28,644 --> 00:13:31,365 headphones on the bottom near a, hooray, a 376 00:13:31,365 --> 00:13:33,705 USB c port, so no more micro USB. 377 00:13:34,565 --> 00:13:36,504 The only thing that we need to get 378 00:13:36,565 --> 00:13:38,404 taken care of on the USB c port 379 00:13:38,404 --> 00:13:41,529 are the iPhones. So, hopefully, you know, one 380 00:13:41,529 --> 00:13:43,370 cable to read them all over here very, 381 00:13:43,370 --> 00:13:46,190 very soon within September coming with Apple. 382 00:13:47,289 --> 00:13:49,210 So, Apple, we're we're look we're looking at 383 00:13:49,210 --> 00:13:49,929 you, and, 384 00:13:51,049 --> 00:13:53,210 don't disappoint us again this year. Come on 385 00:13:53,210 --> 00:13:53,475 now. 386 00:13:54,595 --> 00:13:56,674 It just means that every every, person who 387 00:13:56,674 --> 00:13:57,875 has an iPhone is just gonna have to 388 00:13:57,875 --> 00:13:58,855 switch over to Android. 389 00:13:59,714 --> 00:14:01,815 Oh, no. Now wait a minute. 390 00:14:03,634 --> 00:14:05,875 But but yeah. So they've split up the 391 00:14:05,875 --> 00:14:08,115 headphone and microphone jack. So that headphone jack 392 00:14:08,115 --> 00:14:10,509 is on the bottom along with the speaker, 393 00:14:10,569 --> 00:14:11,470 which makes, 394 00:14:12,490 --> 00:14:13,549 makes the 395 00:14:14,409 --> 00:14:16,089 the speaker a little bit louder and more 396 00:14:16,089 --> 00:14:17,069 clear to understand, 397 00:14:17,449 --> 00:14:18,829 from an audio perspective, 398 00:14:19,610 --> 00:14:21,689 because you have more room for that speaker 399 00:14:21,689 --> 00:14:24,589 to resonate around the entire cavity 400 00:14:25,105 --> 00:14:27,125 of the Victorio Stream. And then 401 00:14:27,504 --> 00:14:28,164 on the 402 00:14:28,945 --> 00:14:31,504 left side, near the volume down button, they 403 00:14:31,504 --> 00:14:33,684 have actually put a a microphone, 404 00:14:35,024 --> 00:14:37,904 input as well. So you do have that 405 00:14:37,904 --> 00:14:39,684 option to use other microphones 406 00:14:40,209 --> 00:14:41,570 if you don't wanna use the built in 407 00:14:41,570 --> 00:14:42,070 recording, 408 00:14:42,769 --> 00:14:45,110 the built in microphone on the Victory Industry. 409 00:14:46,209 --> 00:14:47,809 I really, really like that they went and 410 00:14:47,809 --> 00:14:49,570 separated that again, and I like the placement 411 00:14:49,570 --> 00:14:50,709 of it being in the bottom, 412 00:14:51,330 --> 00:14:52,945 the way they've done. So that that makes 413 00:14:52,945 --> 00:14:54,625 a lot of sense. And you mentioned the 414 00:14:54,625 --> 00:14:57,264 speaker there. I did read where the speaker, 415 00:14:57,264 --> 00:14:59,424 as you said, is much louder and a 416 00:14:59,424 --> 00:15:00,245 better quality. 417 00:15:00,625 --> 00:15:01,985 How much better do you think it is 418 00:15:01,985 --> 00:15:04,465 over the the Victor Reader Stream second generation? 419 00:15:04,465 --> 00:15:06,000 I mean, was it pretty significant? 420 00:15:06,540 --> 00:15:08,620 I think it's gonna be pretty significant just 421 00:15:08,620 --> 00:15:11,259 because with the stream the second generation stream, 422 00:15:11,259 --> 00:15:13,340 I even had trouble understanding it because of 423 00:15:13,340 --> 00:15:14,720 where they placed it. 424 00:15:15,180 --> 00:15:16,139 And so 425 00:15:16,940 --> 00:15:19,004 and I don't have, I'm not hard of 426 00:15:19,004 --> 00:15:21,105 hearing at all, but I know people who 427 00:15:22,445 --> 00:15:24,845 who have used the stream. It's been hard 428 00:15:24,845 --> 00:15:27,184 for them to hear. So, hopefully, this 429 00:15:27,565 --> 00:15:28,065 new, 430 00:15:28,605 --> 00:15:29,105 speaker 431 00:15:29,964 --> 00:15:32,679 and it being in the bottom will be 432 00:15:32,679 --> 00:15:34,759 a little bit louder for them to to 433 00:15:34,759 --> 00:15:36,299 actually hear what's going on. 434 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,600 Very good. I'm looking forward to that too. 435 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,160 That that sounds great. So as far as 436 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:42,679 software, you talked a little bit about the 437 00:15:42,679 --> 00:15:44,679 makeup of the software and navigating. Is there 438 00:15:44,679 --> 00:15:47,665 anything else that's different about navigation once you 439 00:15:47,665 --> 00:15:50,085 get into the stream and and the software 440 00:15:50,465 --> 00:15:53,424 as as well as other, maybe, services or 441 00:15:53,424 --> 00:15:55,904 other things that that the new stream can 442 00:15:55,904 --> 00:15:56,404 do? 443 00:15:57,264 --> 00:15:59,559 Sure. So the layout and and the menus 444 00:15:59,559 --> 00:16:01,339 are pretty much structured the same. 445 00:16:01,799 --> 00:16:03,419 What's really neat is 446 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:06,059 you can actually now directly download 447 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:07,419 the voices 448 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:09,419 and split those 449 00:16:10,039 --> 00:16:10,539 between 450 00:16:11,125 --> 00:16:13,524 your reading voice and your menu voice. So 451 00:16:13,524 --> 00:16:15,764 you can combine two voices, and there's a 452 00:16:15,764 --> 00:16:17,225 new voice that's coming out. 453 00:16:17,845 --> 00:16:19,684 I don't know what that voice is, but 454 00:16:19,684 --> 00:16:21,305 it's a new American voice. 455 00:16:22,085 --> 00:16:23,524 And you can split those. So you can 456 00:16:23,524 --> 00:16:25,125 have one for reading and one for your 457 00:16:25,125 --> 00:16:25,945 menu navigation, 458 00:16:26,289 --> 00:16:28,769 which is really, really neat. And you don't 459 00:16:28,769 --> 00:16:30,950 have to ever touch a computer, 460 00:16:31,970 --> 00:16:33,970 to to do that. You can do that 461 00:16:33,970 --> 00:16:35,429 directly from the device 462 00:16:35,889 --> 00:16:36,389 itself. 463 00:16:40,129 --> 00:16:40,870 You get, 464 00:16:41,904 --> 00:16:44,225 actually one of the really one of the 465 00:16:44,225 --> 00:16:47,904 biggest life improvement features is if you ever 466 00:16:47,904 --> 00:16:49,665 had the Stream one or the or the 467 00:16:49,665 --> 00:16:51,585 current Stream, you know how easy it is 468 00:16:51,585 --> 00:16:53,205 to lose SD cards. 469 00:16:54,144 --> 00:16:54,545 You just 470 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:56,940 I mean, it's 471 00:16:57,559 --> 00:17:00,299 ridiculous. I've gone through five or already, 472 00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:03,240 because they've been crushed or I've lost them 473 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,799 or they've been jammed in doors Uh-huh. Or 474 00:17:05,799 --> 00:17:07,500 whatever whatever have you. 475 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:08,619 And 476 00:17:08,994 --> 00:17:11,315 they've actually put a flap on that SD 477 00:17:11,315 --> 00:17:13,335 card slot. So now you have to actually 478 00:17:14,674 --> 00:17:15,815 want to get it out 479 00:17:16,515 --> 00:17:18,595 in order to actually get it out. So 480 00:17:18,595 --> 00:17:20,615 it's it's non it's the nonissue 481 00:17:21,329 --> 00:17:23,250 now. And you don't even if if you're 482 00:17:23,250 --> 00:17:25,349 not planning on putting a bunch of podcasts 483 00:17:25,569 --> 00:17:27,669 or a bunch of audiobooks 484 00:17:28,049 --> 00:17:28,549 or 485 00:17:28,929 --> 00:17:31,009 a bunch of books on the device, you 486 00:17:31,009 --> 00:17:32,309 have 16 gigabytes 487 00:17:33,009 --> 00:17:35,835 of internal memory, which 13 of that is 488 00:17:35,835 --> 00:17:36,494 is free, 489 00:17:36,955 --> 00:17:38,955 for you to use, which is a pretty 490 00:17:38,955 --> 00:17:40,174 good a pretty good amount. 491 00:17:40,634 --> 00:17:42,654 But the craziest thing is 492 00:17:43,035 --> 00:17:44,494 I was able to 493 00:17:44,795 --> 00:17:46,414 put in in my second generation, 494 00:17:47,250 --> 00:17:49,089 and it really depended on the brand, and 495 00:17:49,089 --> 00:17:50,769 you kinda had to see what worked or 496 00:17:50,769 --> 00:17:51,430 what didn't. 497 00:17:52,609 --> 00:17:54,869 You were limited to 32 gigabytes 498 00:17:55,970 --> 00:17:57,269 from what Humanware 499 00:17:57,650 --> 00:17:59,730 said on the second generation, and people were 500 00:17:59,730 --> 00:18:02,414 putting in anywhere from two fifty six to 501 00:18:02,414 --> 00:18:04,174 five twelve and just kind of seeing what 502 00:18:04,174 --> 00:18:05,555 brands worked and what didn't. 503 00:18:06,414 --> 00:18:09,154 Now they've upped that to where it's so 504 00:18:09,214 --> 00:18:11,855 you can put in a one terabyte SD 505 00:18:11,855 --> 00:18:12,355 card 506 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,099 regardless of brand. 507 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,579 Nice. And so that's 508 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:18,380 ridiculous. 509 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:19,980 I mean, I remember 510 00:18:20,519 --> 00:18:21,019 when 511 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,200 with the stream one, when we went from 512 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:25,480 256 513 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:25,980 megabytes 514 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,059 up to one gigabyte, 515 00:18:28,555 --> 00:18:30,095 and we thought that was 516 00:18:30,634 --> 00:18:32,654 ridiculous in itself. Yep. 517 00:18:33,515 --> 00:18:34,414 One terabyte 518 00:18:35,275 --> 00:18:35,775 is 519 00:18:36,234 --> 00:18:38,474 it has gone way beyond that. Now depending 520 00:18:38,474 --> 00:18:40,075 on how much information you put on there, 521 00:18:40,075 --> 00:18:41,515 it may take a few seconds or a 522 00:18:41,515 --> 00:18:42,955 few a few minutes to load all that 523 00:18:42,955 --> 00:18:43,455 information. 524 00:18:43,849 --> 00:18:44,349 But, 525 00:18:44,650 --> 00:18:46,650 you know, to have that to basically have 526 00:18:46,650 --> 00:18:49,769 an entire an entire library of of books 527 00:18:49,769 --> 00:18:50,430 and information, 528 00:18:51,529 --> 00:18:53,450 I'll wait those few seconds or those few 529 00:18:53,450 --> 00:18:55,930 minutes to have to have just that one 530 00:18:55,930 --> 00:18:58,545 SD card full of all that information and 531 00:18:58,545 --> 00:18:59,924 then one storage space. 532 00:19:01,184 --> 00:19:03,184 Absolutely. I really like that that they've been 533 00:19:03,184 --> 00:19:05,265 able to do that. So, like you said, 534 00:19:05,265 --> 00:19:07,424 the 16 gigs of, you know, on device 535 00:19:07,424 --> 00:19:09,184 storage, although I I get that, you know, 536 00:19:09,184 --> 00:19:10,710 bit of that's gonna be taken up with 537 00:19:10,869 --> 00:19:12,390 operating system that's in there and how it 538 00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:13,909 runs and all that. So you get 13 539 00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:16,309 gigs of it, which by itself might be 540 00:19:16,309 --> 00:19:18,710 plenty for most people. That that could be, 541 00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:20,149 you know, quite a bit just to use 542 00:19:20,149 --> 00:19:22,409 for for educational book, especially if you don't 543 00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:24,256 keep a book on there. You you get 544 00:19:24,256 --> 00:19:25,944 a book, you read it, and then you 545 00:19:25,944 --> 00:19:27,632 delete it. Delete it. Yeah. You get another 546 00:19:27,632 --> 00:19:29,531 one. You you can still, of course, keep 547 00:19:29,531 --> 00:19:31,219 a library of books on there for 13 548 00:19:31,219 --> 00:19:33,118 gigabytes. That that'd be quite a bit of 549 00:19:33,118 --> 00:19:34,806 a a library by itself. But then to 550 00:19:34,806 --> 00:19:36,494 be able to add an SD card with 551 00:19:36,494 --> 00:19:38,182 up to up to one terabyte of space 552 00:19:38,393 --> 00:19:40,619 Uh-huh. I mean, that's just that's a whole 553 00:19:40,619 --> 00:19:41,980 lot of books and a whole lot of, 554 00:19:42,299 --> 00:19:45,500 newspapers and and and Yes. Articles and whatever 555 00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:47,820 other sort of audio media you, can get 556 00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:49,200 your hands on to put on there, 557 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:52,619 I'll say. And, so, no. I think that's 558 00:19:52,619 --> 00:19:53,440 that's fantastic. 559 00:19:54,274 --> 00:19:56,515 And another thing that's been improved too is 560 00:19:56,515 --> 00:19:58,034 the Wi Fi speed. So now we're up 561 00:19:58,034 --> 00:20:00,434 to five gigahertz Wi Fi, and this doesn't 562 00:20:00,434 --> 00:20:02,934 necessarily mean that books are gonna download faster. 563 00:20:03,394 --> 00:20:05,794 But if you have podcasts that are an 564 00:20:05,794 --> 00:20:07,710 hour, hour and a half long, some of 565 00:20:07,710 --> 00:20:09,230 them that I listen to are two to 566 00:20:09,230 --> 00:20:09,970 three hours. 567 00:20:10,589 --> 00:20:12,929 Your connection's gonna be stable 568 00:20:13,390 --> 00:20:15,569 more stable and allow you to, 569 00:20:16,910 --> 00:20:19,309 not buffer as much when it comes to 570 00:20:19,309 --> 00:20:21,650 that to to the download speed. And, also, 571 00:20:22,954 --> 00:20:24,954 it's not gonna buffer as much as well 572 00:20:24,954 --> 00:20:27,195 when it comes to the Internet radio side 573 00:20:27,195 --> 00:20:29,914 of things as well. And it's gonna support 574 00:20:29,914 --> 00:20:32,795 even more podcast because they've Hemaware has updated 575 00:20:32,795 --> 00:20:35,615 the audio codex that a lot of podcasts 576 00:20:35,994 --> 00:20:38,255 are now using, and so you'll have more 577 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:40,680 podcasts to be able to download and listen 578 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:41,500 to as well. 579 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:43,660 Yeah. Let's talk about that because, 580 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,200 as you mentioned, you you can access, you 581 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,920 know, certain podcasts and Internet radio was something, 582 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:49,960 I believe, that you could do with the 583 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,454 Victory Reader Stream, you know, second gen. And 584 00:20:52,454 --> 00:20:53,894 and so talk to me about how you 585 00:20:53,894 --> 00:20:56,214 know, what what is that, involved with with 586 00:20:56,214 --> 00:20:57,575 with the Victor Reader Stream, and how does 587 00:20:57,575 --> 00:20:58,234 that work? 588 00:20:58,615 --> 00:21:01,434 Sure. So there's a tab that you that 589 00:21:01,575 --> 00:21:04,694 you can listen to Internet radio streams in, 590 00:21:04,694 --> 00:21:06,714 and it's still using OO tunes. 591 00:21:07,259 --> 00:21:10,140 But Hemaware has stated that they are looking 592 00:21:10,140 --> 00:21:11,200 at other providers. 593 00:21:11,820 --> 00:21:12,880 My speculation, 594 00:21:13,180 --> 00:21:15,440 and they're not telling anybody this, 595 00:21:16,140 --> 00:21:18,940 but my speculation is they're moving to tune 596 00:21:18,940 --> 00:21:21,275 in, which would be awesome because there's just 597 00:21:21,275 --> 00:21:23,835 more radio stations there and more podcasts there. 598 00:21:25,434 --> 00:21:28,255 And so we shall see what happens 599 00:21:28,555 --> 00:21:29,295 with that. 600 00:21:29,994 --> 00:21:31,214 But it will, 601 00:21:32,259 --> 00:21:34,759 because they they've updated the chip, they've updated 602 00:21:34,980 --> 00:21:38,339 the the RAM, and they've updated the faster 603 00:21:38,339 --> 00:21:39,960 Wi Fi, your your 604 00:21:40,339 --> 00:21:42,679 buffering and your streams shouldn't be 605 00:21:42,980 --> 00:21:43,480 as 606 00:21:44,355 --> 00:21:44,855 latency 607 00:21:45,394 --> 00:21:45,894 specific 608 00:21:46,515 --> 00:21:48,295 as they were with the 609 00:21:48,755 --> 00:21:51,194 current second generation stream. So it should be 610 00:21:51,194 --> 00:21:53,154 a lot easier, a lot stable, a lot 611 00:21:53,154 --> 00:21:54,275 more faster to, 612 00:21:54,914 --> 00:21:56,994 get those up get those streams up and 613 00:21:56,994 --> 00:21:57,494 running. 614 00:21:59,210 --> 00:22:00,829 And then as for podcasts, 615 00:22:01,289 --> 00:22:03,049 how are you how are you able to 616 00:22:03,049 --> 00:22:04,909 get podcasts onto the Victor Reader? 617 00:22:05,929 --> 00:22:07,869 Sure. So you can, either 618 00:22:08,409 --> 00:22:09,230 take in, 619 00:22:10,089 --> 00:22:12,589 and produce a RSS list 620 00:22:13,654 --> 00:22:15,815 and just download that onto the root street 621 00:22:15,894 --> 00:22:18,315 to the root SD card of the device, 622 00:22:19,015 --> 00:22:20,855 or even just on on an, 623 00:22:21,575 --> 00:22:23,894 on a external SD cards, the internal or 624 00:22:23,894 --> 00:22:25,034 the external memory. 625 00:22:25,414 --> 00:22:26,875 Or you can also just 626 00:22:29,079 --> 00:22:32,599 download those and find, I say, Life After 627 00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:33,579 Blindness podcast 628 00:22:34,679 --> 00:22:37,099 in the podcast category 629 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:37,900 and 630 00:22:38,279 --> 00:22:41,964 actually download it and say subscribe. And and 631 00:22:41,964 --> 00:22:44,365 what you will happen is when you turn 632 00:22:44,365 --> 00:22:45,984 your stream on, it'll search, 633 00:22:47,325 --> 00:22:49,644 for the podcast that you subscribe to and 634 00:22:49,644 --> 00:22:50,784 automatically download 635 00:22:51,404 --> 00:22:53,724 those podcasts for you, and then you will 636 00:22:53,724 --> 00:22:54,544 have them available. 637 00:22:55,679 --> 00:22:58,079 I love it. So, yeah, definitely, people go 638 00:22:58,079 --> 00:23:00,399 and go and subscribe to Life After Blindness 639 00:23:00,399 --> 00:23:02,399 so it'll automatically download to your stream when 640 00:23:02,399 --> 00:23:04,000 you connect it. Yes. I like this idea. 641 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:04,819 This is great. 642 00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:06,019 Yeah. It is. 643 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,640 It's an awesome podcast to listen to as 644 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,954 well. Oh, thanks. Appreciate that. 645 00:23:11,355 --> 00:23:12,875 But no. Yeah. So no. I think that's 646 00:23:12,875 --> 00:23:14,075 really a great feature to be able to 647 00:23:14,075 --> 00:23:16,315 have the Internet radio, even if it is 648 00:23:16,315 --> 00:23:17,994 OTOONES for now, and and, yeah, you're right. 649 00:23:17,994 --> 00:23:19,774 TuneIn would be fantastic 650 00:23:20,315 --> 00:23:22,414 considering the amount of things that, TuneIn 651 00:23:23,250 --> 00:23:25,410 has available for people. So that would be 652 00:23:25,410 --> 00:23:27,089 great. But even though oTunes for now, I 653 00:23:27,089 --> 00:23:29,250 mean, that still gives you quite a bit 654 00:23:29,250 --> 00:23:31,650 of Internet radio to, to stream and enjoy 655 00:23:31,650 --> 00:23:33,809 on the Victor Reader stream and, and the 656 00:23:33,809 --> 00:23:36,529 podcast, you know, capabilities. So there are so 657 00:23:36,529 --> 00:23:38,984 many things that that this one device can 658 00:23:38,984 --> 00:23:39,484 do. 659 00:23:39,944 --> 00:23:42,265 We mentioned this earlier in our discussion, Aaron, 660 00:23:42,265 --> 00:23:42,765 about 661 00:23:43,144 --> 00:23:44,285 why would somebody 662 00:23:44,825 --> 00:23:46,585 use this. And I think we've answered a 663 00:23:46,585 --> 00:23:49,065 lot of this question based on just what 664 00:23:49,065 --> 00:23:51,384 it can do and what's built into it. 665 00:23:51,384 --> 00:23:53,144 But there still might be skeptics saying, but 666 00:23:53,144 --> 00:23:54,849 I can do this on my iPhone. I 667 00:23:54,849 --> 00:23:56,150 can do this on my Android. 668 00:23:56,690 --> 00:23:58,230 Why do I need specialist 669 00:23:58,609 --> 00:24:01,730 tech that's separate from that? Explain why you 670 00:24:01,730 --> 00:24:02,230 think 671 00:24:02,529 --> 00:24:04,849 this is so popular with people even if 672 00:24:04,849 --> 00:24:06,914 they do have a smartphone, and especially if 673 00:24:06,914 --> 00:24:08,355 they don't have a smartphone or or they're 674 00:24:08,355 --> 00:24:10,194 not interested in a smartphone. I think the 675 00:24:10,194 --> 00:24:12,194 reasons there are kind of obvious. But but 676 00:24:12,355 --> 00:24:14,674 Right. What what makes this so popular even 677 00:24:14,674 --> 00:24:15,575 for those people? 678 00:24:16,514 --> 00:24:18,134 So I will say that 679 00:24:18,690 --> 00:24:21,329 along with everything that we've talked about, the 680 00:24:21,329 --> 00:24:23,109 the battery life on this device 681 00:24:23,730 --> 00:24:24,470 is crazy. 682 00:24:24,769 --> 00:24:26,149 To where the 683 00:24:26,609 --> 00:24:28,690 second generation stream, you had about ten or 684 00:24:28,690 --> 00:24:30,710 twelve hours of its removable battery. 685 00:24:31,484 --> 00:24:31,984 Unfortunately 686 00:24:32,365 --> 00:24:34,144 unfortunately, the way you look at it, 687 00:24:34,924 --> 00:24:37,164 there's not a removable battery, so you will 688 00:24:37,164 --> 00:24:38,285 have to take it in to get it 689 00:24:38,285 --> 00:24:41,325 serviced, but you do get fifteen to sixteen 690 00:24:41,325 --> 00:24:43,904 hours of continuous playback on the device. 691 00:24:44,419 --> 00:24:45,960 Now, you take into consideration 692 00:24:46,579 --> 00:24:48,440 everything that you're doing with your smartphone. 693 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:50,659 You're using it for texting. You might be 694 00:24:50,659 --> 00:24:51,799 using it for GPS. 695 00:24:52,339 --> 00:24:54,500 You might have three or four, in my 696 00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:55,000 case, 697 00:24:55,539 --> 00:24:58,839 three or four GPS applications open because Soundscape 698 00:24:58,980 --> 00:25:00,005 is now 699 00:25:00,464 --> 00:25:02,085 gone. It would be deprecated 700 00:25:02,464 --> 00:25:03,525 in a few months, 701 00:25:04,065 --> 00:25:06,005 and you're trying to find something different. 702 00:25:07,265 --> 00:25:09,045 Or you or you might have, 703 00:25:10,224 --> 00:25:13,105 Facebook or Twitter open if if Twitter still 704 00:25:13,105 --> 00:25:13,605 exists, 705 00:25:14,224 --> 00:25:15,680 next week. You 706 00:25:16,779 --> 00:25:18,640 might have a lot of that stuff open 707 00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:20,619 and also listening to a book at the 708 00:25:20,619 --> 00:25:23,759 same time. So your battery is gonna decrease 709 00:25:24,299 --> 00:25:25,440 really, really fast. 710 00:25:27,019 --> 00:25:28,704 And then even say, you know, you may 711 00:25:28,704 --> 00:25:30,865 be making multiple calls to Aira for to 712 00:25:30,865 --> 00:25:32,085 help with navigation. 713 00:25:33,105 --> 00:25:33,605 Whereas 714 00:25:35,505 --> 00:25:36,005 with 715 00:25:36,544 --> 00:25:38,325 the stream well, and also too, 716 00:25:40,059 --> 00:25:40,880 With the NMS, 717 00:25:41,339 --> 00:25:43,500 Bard app, there's a bug now that affects 718 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:44,160 the sleep, 719 00:25:44,859 --> 00:25:46,400 functionality of that application. 720 00:25:46,940 --> 00:25:49,119 And so we are at the mercy of 721 00:25:49,180 --> 00:25:50,480 these mainstream developers 722 00:25:51,180 --> 00:25:52,240 who, yes, 723 00:25:52,924 --> 00:25:54,224 are aware of accessibility. 724 00:25:55,164 --> 00:25:56,224 And in my opinion, 725 00:25:57,644 --> 00:25:59,345 they use automated testing 726 00:25:59,884 --> 00:26:02,204 to make sure all every single button is 727 00:26:02,204 --> 00:26:04,605 completely labeled, but then they don't do manual 728 00:26:04,605 --> 00:26:06,765 testing with users. And this is where bugs 729 00:26:06,765 --> 00:26:08,224 come into these systems. 730 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:09,799 With the stream, 731 00:26:10,339 --> 00:26:12,339 is it whether it be a second generation 732 00:26:12,339 --> 00:26:13,480 or the third generation, 733 00:26:14,579 --> 00:26:16,900 I know exactly what I'm getting, how to 734 00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:19,059 use it, and I know that this device 735 00:26:19,059 --> 00:26:20,279 is being built 736 00:26:20,659 --> 00:26:21,159 and 737 00:26:21,859 --> 00:26:24,315 scripted and the software is being written 738 00:26:25,274 --> 00:26:28,575 by blind people for blind people, for myself. 739 00:26:28,634 --> 00:26:29,694 So that I know 740 00:26:29,994 --> 00:26:32,075 if I pick up a stream, if I 741 00:26:32,075 --> 00:26:34,075 pick up a Stellar Tray, even if I 742 00:26:34,075 --> 00:26:36,634 pick up, say, a Prodigy Connect 12, which 743 00:26:36,634 --> 00:26:37,694 is a low vision, 744 00:26:38,410 --> 00:26:39,549 portable CCTV 745 00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:40,750 tablet, 746 00:26:41,609 --> 00:26:44,089 I know exactly how to use it, and 747 00:26:44,089 --> 00:26:45,609 I know that the software is going to 748 00:26:45,609 --> 00:26:47,369 work. Whereas if I pick up my iPhone 749 00:26:47,369 --> 00:26:48,509 and there's an update, 750 00:26:49,210 --> 00:26:50,894 say, for the Audible app 751 00:26:51,775 --> 00:26:53,955 or, the LMS Smart application 752 00:26:54,894 --> 00:26:56,355 or the Kindle app. 753 00:26:57,855 --> 00:26:59,634 I don't know what that 754 00:27:00,015 --> 00:27:01,775 experience is going to be like, and it 755 00:27:01,775 --> 00:27:03,059 may break a 756 00:27:03,539 --> 00:27:05,620 functionality of the device that I use on 757 00:27:05,620 --> 00:27:06,680 a daily basis. 758 00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:07,880 And 759 00:27:08,820 --> 00:27:10,740 I would much rather go to a device 760 00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:12,360 where I know what I'm getting 761 00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:15,320 than a device that 762 00:27:16,414 --> 00:27:18,894 the experience might change from month to month, 763 00:27:18,894 --> 00:27:20,255 and I have to learn a whole new 764 00:27:20,255 --> 00:27:22,174 way of doing it. I think it's a 765 00:27:22,174 --> 00:27:23,474 really fair explanation 766 00:27:23,855 --> 00:27:26,494 as to, you know, as you said, being 767 00:27:26,494 --> 00:27:27,714 at the mercy of 768 00:27:28,015 --> 00:27:30,335 developers and app developers and and what may 769 00:27:30,335 --> 00:27:31,769 or may not work in an app and 770 00:27:31,769 --> 00:27:33,769 finding different apps and being able to just 771 00:27:33,769 --> 00:27:35,230 go to a device like this that 772 00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:37,610 you expect. And and, of course, there still 773 00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:39,370 could be bugs and then things can still 774 00:27:39,370 --> 00:27:41,450 happen. But but you know that for the 775 00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:43,555 most part, it's just going to work. As 776 00:27:43,875 --> 00:27:46,115 so so you talked about the internal workings 777 00:27:46,115 --> 00:27:47,955 and and and that part of the Victor 778 00:27:47,955 --> 00:27:49,654 Reader Stream, third gen. 779 00:27:50,035 --> 00:27:52,695 What would you say about the the externals, 780 00:27:52,755 --> 00:27:54,275 you know, the tactile nature of it, being 781 00:27:54,275 --> 00:27:56,275 able to grip that device in your hand 782 00:27:56,275 --> 00:27:58,515 compared to using a smartphone? I know a 783 00:27:58,515 --> 00:28:00,269 lot of people really just 784 00:28:00,650 --> 00:28:03,529 like and enjoy having that feeling Yeah. Right 785 00:28:03,529 --> 00:28:05,609 in the palm of their hands. Sure. So 786 00:28:05,609 --> 00:28:06,109 tactile 787 00:28:06,809 --> 00:28:08,569 is a great thing. I know that if 788 00:28:08,569 --> 00:28:10,750 I drop the stream, it's not gonna 789 00:28:11,130 --> 00:28:12,914 have glass shards all over the place. I'm 790 00:28:12,914 --> 00:28:15,235 gonna have to go buy a new $500 791 00:28:15,235 --> 00:28:17,715 phone or a thousand dollar phone to get 792 00:28:17,715 --> 00:28:18,295 it replaced. 793 00:28:18,595 --> 00:28:20,375 It had to transfer all that data. 794 00:28:21,394 --> 00:28:23,654 Whereas with the the stream, 795 00:28:24,609 --> 00:28:27,809 the tactile clickiness of just buttons in general 796 00:28:27,809 --> 00:28:28,950 is something that 797 00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:31,750 smartphones 798 00:28:32,289 --> 00:28:34,690 can try to replicate, but they haven't been 799 00:28:34,690 --> 00:28:36,230 really successful at it. 800 00:28:36,929 --> 00:28:39,029 A good case in point is with 801 00:28:39,535 --> 00:28:41,075 me being being a musician, 802 00:28:41,375 --> 00:28:42,434 I've got a couple 803 00:28:42,815 --> 00:28:43,855 a couple of, 804 00:28:45,214 --> 00:28:45,714 instructional, 805 00:28:47,694 --> 00:28:48,194 material 806 00:28:48,654 --> 00:28:50,835 books from Diana Spard 807 00:28:51,214 --> 00:28:52,035 that I 808 00:28:52,809 --> 00:28:55,390 am learning a few songs with. And, 809 00:28:56,089 --> 00:28:57,710 yes, I could use my iPhone 810 00:28:58,170 --> 00:28:59,869 to use the Bard app. 811 00:29:00,330 --> 00:29:02,170 But if if I want to go back, 812 00:29:02,170 --> 00:29:04,589 I have to hear find the rewind button, 813 00:29:04,650 --> 00:29:06,845 double tap it, here voice over say rewind, 814 00:29:06,904 --> 00:29:08,744 it missed half of what the instructor is 815 00:29:08,744 --> 00:29:10,664 saying. To whereas, if I go over to 816 00:29:10,664 --> 00:29:12,744 my stream, I know that I could just 817 00:29:12,744 --> 00:29:14,424 hit that rewind button and not have to 818 00:29:14,424 --> 00:29:17,464 worry about anything speaking ahead of the instructor 819 00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:19,644 and being able to focus on the information 820 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,200 at hand as well. And having that tactile 821 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,420 button knowing, okay, 822 00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:27,759 that rewind button is three over on the 823 00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:30,420 bottom. There it is. And it's a, 824 00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:31,779 inverted, 825 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,884 less than sign pretty much, and just being 826 00:29:34,884 --> 00:29:36,325 able to hit it and know that that 827 00:29:36,325 --> 00:29:38,984 action's gonna be completed and know that focus 828 00:29:39,125 --> 00:29:41,365 isn't gonna jump around to a back button. 829 00:29:41,365 --> 00:29:42,265 I'm gonna be 830 00:29:42,565 --> 00:29:44,345 jumped out of my application 831 00:29:45,045 --> 00:29:47,445 or every anything that I'm doing and have 832 00:29:47,445 --> 00:29:49,649 to go and find my way back into 833 00:29:49,649 --> 00:29:50,309 the application. 834 00:29:51,169 --> 00:29:52,690 I think you sold it right there because 835 00:29:52,690 --> 00:29:54,450 I don't know how many times I'm in 836 00:29:54,450 --> 00:29:56,289 an application, no matter what it is, if 837 00:29:56,289 --> 00:29:57,970 it's audible or or barred or some any 838 00:29:58,210 --> 00:30:00,130 actually, really any app, and you know where 839 00:30:00,130 --> 00:30:01,890 the button should be and you can't find 840 00:30:01,890 --> 00:30:03,595 it. And even if you're using your rotor 841 00:30:03,595 --> 00:30:05,674 and trying to swipe by buttons or headings 842 00:30:05,674 --> 00:30:08,394 or form controls or whatever it is, your 843 00:30:08,394 --> 00:30:10,394 focus gets messed up or you swipe swipe 844 00:30:10,394 --> 00:30:12,474 swipe swipe swipe swipe swipe swiping your way 845 00:30:12,474 --> 00:30:14,394 through, and then you finally find it. And 846 00:30:14,394 --> 00:30:16,734 then, you know, it's just it it 847 00:30:17,059 --> 00:30:19,079 it most of the time is really easy, 848 00:30:19,539 --> 00:30:20,440 but it it 849 00:30:21,059 --> 00:30:23,779 can be quite difficult and, in trying to 850 00:30:23,779 --> 00:30:25,140 find what you want. And so being able 851 00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:27,299 to have a tactile button that you just 852 00:30:27,299 --> 00:30:28,579 just go right to it and hit it. 853 00:30:28,579 --> 00:30:29,859 So I mean, that that makes a lot 854 00:30:29,859 --> 00:30:30,440 of sense. 855 00:30:30,784 --> 00:30:32,784 Yeah. It it it can be, and it 856 00:30:32,784 --> 00:30:34,065 does make a lot of sense. And I'll 857 00:30:34,065 --> 00:30:35,744 even take it even further. Let's say you 858 00:30:35,744 --> 00:30:37,684 try and there's an update, 859 00:30:38,144 --> 00:30:38,644 and 860 00:30:39,025 --> 00:30:40,625 everything's still in the same place, and you 861 00:30:40,625 --> 00:30:42,784 hit the play button, the app crashes. And 862 00:30:42,944 --> 00:30:46,319 Yes. Something happens to where now the book 863 00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:48,179 that you have played 864 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,059 is now not downloaded to your device. 865 00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:53,940 You've you've been signed out of your Audible 866 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,039 account or whatever account you're you're looking at, 867 00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:58,960 your your Internet Spy account. You've got to 868 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,099 re sign back in. 869 00:31:01,315 --> 00:31:03,154 That is gonna take a few minutes to 870 00:31:03,154 --> 00:31:04,755 whereas if I have a stream 871 00:31:05,154 --> 00:31:06,535 if it to read a stream, 872 00:31:07,475 --> 00:31:09,634 I know that I'm not gonna be signed 873 00:31:09,634 --> 00:31:10,375 out anything. 874 00:31:10,994 --> 00:31:12,914 And I I I'm exactly where I was 875 00:31:12,914 --> 00:31:14,855 the last time I turned off the device. 876 00:31:15,660 --> 00:31:17,580 Fantastic. I love it. I think that that's 877 00:31:17,580 --> 00:31:20,220 a really great use case and and explanation 878 00:31:20,220 --> 00:31:22,700 of of why people would want to use 879 00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:25,119 this, you know, somebody from from a smartphone. 880 00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:27,980 I did want to touch on something else 881 00:31:27,980 --> 00:31:29,440 that has been a bone of contention 882 00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:30,404 as well. 883 00:31:31,205 --> 00:31:33,305 Sure. So there used to be, 884 00:31:33,765 --> 00:31:34,904 with the second generation, 885 00:31:37,605 --> 00:31:38,345 the Audible 886 00:31:38,724 --> 00:31:39,465 and Amazon, 887 00:31:40,484 --> 00:31:42,184 had broke Audible support, 888 00:31:42,965 --> 00:31:45,305 so you weren't able to download 889 00:31:46,889 --> 00:31:47,869 audible content. 890 00:31:48,970 --> 00:31:51,289 There was an open letter that circulated, and, 891 00:31:51,609 --> 00:31:53,690 I got to say a big thank you 892 00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:55,690 to Jonathan Mohsen and the Mohsen at Large 893 00:31:55,690 --> 00:31:56,829 podcast. He, 894 00:31:57,690 --> 00:31:58,575 put this out 895 00:31:59,534 --> 00:32:01,234 and asked people to sign it. 896 00:32:02,014 --> 00:32:04,095 And I was I, along with a bunch 897 00:32:04,095 --> 00:32:06,815 of other people, about 600 plus people had 898 00:32:06,815 --> 00:32:08,835 signed it and added my name to it. 899 00:32:09,855 --> 00:32:11,394 It has come out that 900 00:32:12,894 --> 00:32:14,115 the audible sync 901 00:32:14,429 --> 00:32:15,490 will work. 902 00:32:16,269 --> 00:32:18,129 It was actually slated 903 00:32:18,589 --> 00:32:20,349 that it was gonna be at launch. Now 904 00:32:20,349 --> 00:32:22,029 it's not. Now we're looking at, you know, 905 00:32:22,029 --> 00:32:23,169 a software update, 906 00:32:24,509 --> 00:32:27,069 around the April or May time frame, and 907 00:32:27,069 --> 00:32:27,970 that is because 908 00:32:28,454 --> 00:32:30,375 Amazon and the HumanWare have to work together 909 00:32:30,375 --> 00:32:31,914 to make sure that it all works 910 00:32:32,375 --> 00:32:33,515 out perfectly. So 911 00:32:34,214 --> 00:32:36,214 if you're holding off to buy the Victory 912 00:32:36,214 --> 00:32:37,115 Edition because 913 00:32:37,974 --> 00:32:40,615 it doesn't have audible content, just know that 914 00:32:40,615 --> 00:32:42,690 it's coming. And I always tell people, look. 915 00:32:42,769 --> 00:32:44,869 Don't buy a device for what it 916 00:32:45,250 --> 00:32:47,250 will promise to do in the future because 917 00:32:47,250 --> 00:32:48,929 it may not ever come to that. Buy 918 00:32:48,929 --> 00:32:50,710 it for what it can do now. 919 00:32:51,730 --> 00:32:54,629 And so it's great that that has been, 920 00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:57,269 taken care of and that 921 00:32:57,984 --> 00:32:59,125 Amazon actually 922 00:32:59,585 --> 00:33:00,484 has to send, 923 00:33:01,265 --> 00:33:02,085 to its 924 00:33:02,464 --> 00:33:05,284 peep to the blind community at large and 925 00:33:05,585 --> 00:33:07,605 thinks that it's a great investment, 926 00:33:08,704 --> 00:33:10,484 to continue the support. 927 00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:12,720 I'm going to write that up, Aaron, because 928 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,880 I did hear some folks at HumanWare talking 929 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,440 about that here recently surrounding the the, you 930 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,600 know, launch of the Victor Reader Stream third 931 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,480 gen Okay. And this, you know, audible sync 932 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,400 issue. And I've actually heard them even say 933 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,724 that even though the full rollout and full 934 00:33:26,724 --> 00:33:28,404 fix might be another, you know, month or 935 00:33:28,404 --> 00:33:29,464 two or a couple months, 936 00:33:29,765 --> 00:33:32,404 they've actually started seeing some of it kind 937 00:33:32,404 --> 00:33:33,464 of out in the wild, 938 00:33:33,765 --> 00:33:36,085 people already reporting that it might be working. 939 00:33:36,085 --> 00:33:38,980 And so that that's something that's definitely, you 940 00:33:38,980 --> 00:33:40,740 know, worth looking at is that, you know, 941 00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:43,220 it's being worked on, maybe even in in 942 00:33:43,299 --> 00:33:45,299 more in real time than we realize. And 943 00:33:45,299 --> 00:33:47,140 and yeah. So so if it is something 944 00:33:47,140 --> 00:33:48,580 that that you've heard about and you're like, 945 00:33:48,580 --> 00:33:50,154 well, the audible sync in the past just 946 00:33:50,154 --> 00:33:52,394 wasn't working, and I've heard horror stories, etcetera 947 00:33:52,474 --> 00:33:54,234 That's right. You know, it it obviously is 948 00:33:54,234 --> 00:33:55,835 being worked on because even human words are 949 00:33:55,835 --> 00:33:58,394 saying, yeah. We're we're kinda seeing this trickle 950 00:33:58,394 --> 00:34:00,234 out, and and we have this expectation, like 951 00:34:00,234 --> 00:34:01,914 you said, Aaron, of, you know, within the 952 00:34:01,914 --> 00:34:04,240 next few months, you know, from now, that 953 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,720 this should be completely fixed. So I I 954 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,320 am very glad to see that Amazon, at 955 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,159 least in this case, is is doing something 956 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:12,159 right and doing something good and and getting 957 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,320 Audible to work for us. Because my my 958 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,199 understanding is that HumanWare actually sent Audible, the 959 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,039 folks at Audible, a a demo, 960 00:34:19,385 --> 00:34:21,704 model of the Victor Reader Stream three and 961 00:34:21,704 --> 00:34:23,144 let them work with it and play with 962 00:34:23,144 --> 00:34:24,984 it. Yeah. And so I'd love that there's 963 00:34:24,984 --> 00:34:25,964 that kind of partnership, 964 00:34:26,505 --> 00:34:28,105 between the different companies to be able to 965 00:34:28,105 --> 00:34:29,405 work on these kind of things. 966 00:34:30,025 --> 00:34:32,190 Yeah. It it it is it is great. 967 00:34:32,190 --> 00:34:33,710 And one thing I will say is there's 968 00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:35,630 other services. If you did want to rely 969 00:34:35,630 --> 00:34:36,769 on Audible, there's, 970 00:34:38,109 --> 00:34:40,510 a service called ebrady.fm 971 00:34:40,510 --> 00:34:42,030 that does sort of the same thing. And 972 00:34:42,030 --> 00:34:44,190 it's not DRM content that you just pay 973 00:34:44,190 --> 00:34:45,630 and get m p three files, and you 974 00:34:45,630 --> 00:34:47,694 can do whatever you want with them. And 975 00:34:47,694 --> 00:34:49,614 I will say as somebody who's been on 976 00:34:49,614 --> 00:34:50,275 the inside 977 00:34:50,655 --> 00:34:52,114 in a recruiting capacity 978 00:34:52,815 --> 00:34:53,554 at Amazon, 979 00:34:54,815 --> 00:34:57,454 it is a huge company, and I don't 980 00:34:57,454 --> 00:34:59,315 think people understand how large 981 00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:02,640 this company is. Multiple departments. I was recruiting 982 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,659 for solutions architects, and, basically, 983 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,140 they would go in and, 984 00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:10,019 basically, do be a a salesperson 985 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,219 for the Amazon Web Services platform. 986 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,380 And that was only one 987 00:35:15,735 --> 00:35:16,875 department out 988 00:35:17,335 --> 00:35:19,494 of thousands of different departments. So it does 989 00:35:19,494 --> 00:35:20,315 take time, 990 00:35:21,095 --> 00:35:23,414 but I will state as well and say 991 00:35:23,414 --> 00:35:24,795 too that sometimes 992 00:35:25,974 --> 00:35:28,215 there has to be pushback in order for 993 00:35:28,215 --> 00:35:30,295 them to make a decision because Amazon is 994 00:35:30,295 --> 00:35:31,920 so data driven 995 00:35:33,019 --> 00:35:34,159 that sometimes 996 00:35:34,940 --> 00:35:35,920 the data 997 00:35:36,539 --> 00:35:38,400 that is being used, 998 00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:42,239 is not as accurate as what the market 999 00:35:43,175 --> 00:35:45,094 wants it to be. And so if we 1000 00:35:45,094 --> 00:35:46,934 push this, hey. This is really important, and 1001 00:35:46,934 --> 00:35:47,835 we do advocacy 1002 00:35:48,135 --> 00:35:49,914 around these specific things, 1003 00:35:50,295 --> 00:35:53,094 then that's just another data point for them 1004 00:35:53,094 --> 00:35:55,175 to say, hey. Actually, what we have is 1005 00:35:55,175 --> 00:35:56,394 not reflecting what 1006 00:35:56,809 --> 00:35:57,309 these 1007 00:35:57,610 --> 00:35:59,610 data points out in the world and these 1008 00:35:59,610 --> 00:36:01,849 people have been saying about this about this 1009 00:36:01,849 --> 00:36:03,610 and let's actually get it done. And so 1010 00:36:03,610 --> 00:36:06,670 that's how things get kicked up in Amazon 1011 00:36:06,889 --> 00:36:09,210 a lot faster as if there's a bunch 1012 00:36:09,210 --> 00:36:11,964 of different more active data points than what 1013 00:36:11,964 --> 00:36:13,984 they have internally within their systems. 1014 00:36:14,525 --> 00:36:16,045 Very well said, Aaron. I I I think 1015 00:36:16,045 --> 00:36:18,684 that it's important to note that that, you 1016 00:36:18,684 --> 00:36:20,284 know, there there is a lot going on 1017 00:36:20,284 --> 00:36:21,744 behind the scenes here, and 1018 00:36:22,045 --> 00:36:24,764 it it is working, thankfully. There things are 1019 00:36:24,764 --> 00:36:26,619 being done. So good on them for for 1020 00:36:26,619 --> 00:36:27,920 getting that taken care of. 1021 00:36:28,539 --> 00:36:30,539 So I'm sure people are wondering now at 1022 00:36:30,539 --> 00:36:31,199 this point, 1023 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:33,179 when can they get their hands on this? 1024 00:36:33,179 --> 00:36:34,699 How much is it gonna be? My my 1025 00:36:34,699 --> 00:36:36,139 understanding is that it will be coming out 1026 00:36:36,139 --> 00:36:38,139 in The US first, followed maybe a month 1027 00:36:38,139 --> 00:36:39,980 or so later by Canada and then The 1028 00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:41,715 UK and and then the rest of of 1029 00:36:41,715 --> 00:36:43,474 the world. But, can you give us kind 1030 00:36:43,474 --> 00:36:45,155 of an idea of the the timeline for 1031 00:36:45,155 --> 00:36:47,095 that and and what these are gonna cost? 1032 00:36:47,795 --> 00:36:49,894 Sure. I can. So you're correct. 1033 00:36:50,675 --> 00:36:51,175 The 1034 00:36:51,635 --> 00:36:54,289 Victory Stream third generation will be coming out 1035 00:36:54,289 --> 00:36:56,150 in the February 1036 00:36:56,210 --> 00:36:58,050 for The United States and then a month 1037 00:36:58,050 --> 00:36:58,550 later 1038 00:36:58,849 --> 00:37:01,670 in March for Canada and everywhere else. 1039 00:37:02,849 --> 00:37:05,170 There's been a there's been a bit of 1040 00:37:05,170 --> 00:37:07,664 a a price increase just like everything else, 1041 00:37:07,984 --> 00:37:10,324 around the world has hiked up in price. 1042 00:37:10,784 --> 00:37:15,125 We're looking at a price of $550. 1043 00:37:16,384 --> 00:37:16,884 Unfortunately, 1044 00:37:17,184 --> 00:37:19,505 there is no trade ins or anything because 1045 00:37:19,505 --> 00:37:20,730 these devices are such 1046 00:37:21,289 --> 00:37:24,170 a small margin that they can't do that, 1047 00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:26,190 and we can't do that as a company, 1048 00:37:28,170 --> 00:37:28,670 unfortunately. 1049 00:37:29,609 --> 00:37:31,530 Well, Aaron, I really hope that we've given 1050 00:37:31,530 --> 00:37:33,609 a lot of information to those folks out 1051 00:37:33,609 --> 00:37:35,289 there that are interested in the Victor Reader 1052 00:37:35,289 --> 00:37:37,755 Stream third generation. If you've had a previous 1053 00:37:37,755 --> 00:37:40,074 generation or are just kinda curious about a 1054 00:37:40,074 --> 00:37:42,155 device like this, whether you use a smartphone 1055 00:37:42,155 --> 00:37:44,315 or not, I think it's something that, is 1056 00:37:44,315 --> 00:37:46,714 still good to have in the conversation and 1057 00:37:46,714 --> 00:37:48,389 and maybe even something to have in our 1058 00:37:48,389 --> 00:37:49,369 our blindness toolkits, 1059 00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:51,769 that people can can still utilize. 1060 00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:54,150 And, so I really appreciate you coming on 1061 00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:56,150 and talking to me about this. Now I 1062 00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:58,549 know that with your work as a product 1063 00:37:58,549 --> 00:38:00,869 support specialist, you've kinda got your finger on 1064 00:38:00,869 --> 00:38:02,309 the pulse of a whole bunch of different, 1065 00:38:02,309 --> 00:38:04,784 you know, products and services and apps, devices. 1066 00:38:05,005 --> 00:38:06,525 You name it. You you you're kind of 1067 00:38:06,525 --> 00:38:08,204 the guy that knows what's going on. And 1068 00:38:08,204 --> 00:38:09,485 so I'd really love to have you back 1069 00:38:09,485 --> 00:38:10,925 on the show sometime that we can talk 1070 00:38:10,925 --> 00:38:13,405 about other things outside of, something like the 1071 00:38:13,405 --> 00:38:15,085 Vicky reader and and break down some other 1072 00:38:15,085 --> 00:38:16,844 products and things that that you feel are 1073 00:38:16,844 --> 00:38:18,385 important that we need to know about. 1074 00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:21,039 Sure. No no problem. And and I will 1075 00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:22,500 point out there too is, 1076 00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:25,440 my contact information for live computers. If you 1077 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,199 wanna get a hold of me, ask questions 1078 00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:27,699 about 1079 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,800 the, Victory to Stream third generation, or you 1080 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,385 want to buy one from us, 1081 00:38:33,264 --> 00:38:40,644 my number is 50244724586, 1082 00:38:41,105 --> 00:38:42,565 or you can email me 1083 00:38:42,945 --> 00:38:45,905 at aaron@labcomputers.com. 1084 00:38:45,905 --> 00:38:54,559 That's aaron@labcomputers.com. 1085 00:38:55,099 --> 00:38:57,820 Very good, Aaron. I appreciate that. And, yeah. 1086 00:38:57,820 --> 00:38:59,180 Thank you so much again for coming on 1087 00:38:59,180 --> 00:39:00,460 the show. Look forward to talking to you 1088 00:39:00,460 --> 00:39:01,199 again soon. 1089 00:39:01,545 --> 00:39:03,784 Thanks, Sam. I really enjoyed it and looking 1090 00:39:03,784 --> 00:39:05,324 forward to talking again as well.