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Hello, and welcome to the Life After Blindness

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podcast. I'm your host, Tim Schwartz, and

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a couple of special guests with me that,

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regular listeners should at least know one. And,

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well, if you followed me anywhere else around

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the interwebs on other podcast and radio shows,

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you should also be familiar with the others.

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So we are here today as the first

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in

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kind of an updated

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new channel version of what was formerly known

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as the Saturday edition of Blind Guy Talks

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Tech. If any of that sounds ridiculous or

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strange to you, well, we're gonna bring you

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up to speed right now. So

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joining me on the show, first of all,

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we have Robin Kristofferson. Robin, welcome to the

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show. Oh, thank you very much. I'm looking

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forward to this.

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Me too. And, our returning champion because, well,

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as longtime listeners know, he was on the

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very first episode of Life After Blindness and,

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has been back many, many, many a time

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since then. Sean Preece. Sean, welcome.

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Hello, Tim. Where have you been?

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Oh, wow.

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Well It's like being embraced in a warm,

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gorgeous hug. As we all know, Tim is

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a Man Mountain,

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seven foot four, and, eight

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hundred pounds.

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But, Tim, you've been missed. You've been away

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too long. I have been away well, technically,

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away from my life after blindness family for

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way, way, way too long.

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Yes. But, yeah, as we're gonna talk about

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where we've been and what we've been doing,

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yeah, Sean, you're not wrong because, well, with

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the pandemic and then

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things with my daughter in school, and then

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I got the the dreaded COVID myself,

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And, things have just been

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ridiculous as far as me trying to get

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my show going and and back up again.

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But it's here. It's back, and I am

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so happy and so excited to be doing

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it. It is so awesome. Tryouts for winter.

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Have you, redecorated this studio? It's very nice

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in here, I must say. Very nice. I

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I was gonna ask. You you you guys

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should like the the new feel of the

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studio. It's nice and, yeah, refreshed and and

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posh as you say. And, yeah, it's nice

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and Comforting conditions.

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Cozy. Yeah. Too many flowers for water. Not

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too cold, although I know it's sparkling water.

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You know, I I once had some sparkling

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water that I didn't know before I took

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a sip that it was sparkling water.

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Boy, that was a surprise.

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Sparkling water. I mean, what a awful concept

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that is. Why why make it fizzy? It's

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water. What's the point? Yeah. Somebody had poured

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some Perrier water, and, I didn't know. I

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thought it was just regular just, you know,

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like, filtered water from the fridge or or,

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you know, tap water. And that yeah. And

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that that first sip

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oh my god. That was that was frightening.

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Just because especially when you don't know. I

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did that once with, with soft drinks. My

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my wife got me a can of of

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beer from the refrigerator, and I thought it

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was gonna be Mountain Dew.

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I know you guys have root beer even

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though Oh, you're so American right now. I

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have no idea what you're talking about. Have

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either of those. Yes. You do. I have

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done research. You guys absolutely have root beer

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over there. You may not have Mountain Dew

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or at least not something called Mountain Dew,

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but you definitely have root beer. I've looked

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it up after Sean told me that he

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doesn't know what it is. Is it made

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out of roots? Beetroot. No. What? No. Anyway

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Beetroot. Okay. No. But, anyway, no. I thought

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took a sip, and I said, that is

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the worst tasting Mountain Dew I've ever had.

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that that would have explained it. Blind problems.

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But, no, it has it has been way

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too long, since I have been behind the

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microphone, at least, again, for Life After Blindness.

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I I've been places. I've been around. All

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all of us actually have, collectively,

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between the RNIB Tech Talk Show where, Robin

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and I stepped in, and,

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Robin had actually fill in for you and

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I, Sean, after we left to go to

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Double Tap and was holding the fort down.

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I said, so, Steven,

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you you want a third seat over there

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back on on Tech Talk again? He's like,

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yes. Please come. Yeah. That would be great.

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You said just the two of us. Please

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come.

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So I I went back over there, and

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then we transitioned after Steven.

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Do we call it a midlife crisis? No.

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live, so let's not call it a midlife

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crisis. Please not say that. That's exactly right.

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You know, he, he made the what I

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think is the proper decision to, move on

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from his work, obligations in RNIB and and

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has gone into a lot of self employment

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stuff for himself and, started the Blind Guy

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Talks Tech Show, which was fantastic,

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but five days a week with a weekend

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edition,

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attached to it. And, we've all been there

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helping out and doing things, and now well,

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that's moving on. So that kinda brings us

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into what I wanna start off with because

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it's not like we've been totally gone and

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disappeared. We have been around, but I've just

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not been here.

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So, Sean,

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talk to me about this. The Blind Guy

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Talks Tech Show was five days a week

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with technology and then the weekend

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ranting banter edition

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that we we had good intentions for in

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the beginning. Yes. We actually Yes. We did.

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We actually did have real serious deep diving

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topics that we covered and even had some,

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spirited

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discussions.

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the weekend and just having a chat.

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back in a little bit here as we

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take it over here on Life After Blindness.

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do so. Although you notice, he does that.

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In the first one, he's not here.

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So I see how that is. And and

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our friend, Sally Clay, for anybody wondering if

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if they came from the Blind Guy Talks

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Tech Show. First of all, welcome. Thanks for

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coming over here. But, Sally has actually got

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a lot going on. So we will hopefully

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get her on,

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in the coming months. But, it might it

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might be a while because she is a

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busy, busy bee. Just like it was before

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on Blind Guy. You know, on the Saturday

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edition, whoever could make it at that time

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made it. So, you made it insane? Yeah.

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best to, to, you know, find that happy

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balance, but get as many of us as

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we can if we can. So so, Sean,

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the five day a week blind guy, that's

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no longer happening

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and, is being shifted, isn't it?

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It is. That's right. Yeah. So,

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as as listeners may know, we've got the

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other show, Double Tap,

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that was once a week.

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sort of one brand. Instead of having Blind

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over there, we thought, you know what? Let's

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just make Double Tap the daily

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podcast and bring it in house and have

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it all under the one brand of Double

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Tap because, you know, it does

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you you kind of split in your audience,

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and it just made more sense for us

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as a workflow as well. So, yes. BGT,

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has really just shifted

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over. So you can still tune in,

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to Double Tap every day.

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Just search your favorite podcast. Sorry. I'm doing

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the plug already, Tim. Search your favorite podcast

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catcher for Double Tap by,

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from AMI Audio, and you should, find us

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there. And,

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of tech news and,

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a little bit of banter between Steven and

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I, the usual the usual mix, then, yeah,

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definitely check us out. But,

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like I said, really, it just made more

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sense to instead of splitting us up all

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a podcast here and a podcast there for

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us, it just made sense to bring it

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all in house. So, yeah, it's just basically

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now called Double Tap. And it definitely does

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make sense. I I I kinda wish we

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did have Steven here because he and I

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have been talking about this transition for a

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while. I mean, we've all kinda known it

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was coming, and he and I behind the

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scenes even before the rest of you guys

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knew, you know, he and I were talking

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about, okay. This is what's gonna happen with

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Blind Guy, the the weekly edition going to

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Double Tap. And he came right out and

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said, so, you know,

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those weekend conversations, at least when we were

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trying to be a little bit more on,

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you know, topic and and on point,

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you know, there is a really great place

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where that could reside, and I'm happy to,

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you know, have the reins be passed along.

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to say here, Steven? Just come right out

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and say it, buddy. You know?

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do it because I'm gonna be way too

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darn busy to do it, I think is

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what he was trying to say.

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But, no, I think it I think it

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works out really nicely because, you know, Blind

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a great home for all of us to

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go to after RNIB,

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Tech Talk, after Steven had left the RNIB,

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and it gave us a great platform

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to really kinda test out the possibility of

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doing five days a week because I remember,

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you know, this, Sean. I think even, Robin,

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you were in on this conversation where, you

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know, Steven said, I'm never doing five days

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a week. There's no content for five days

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a week. When we were talking to him

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about doing

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what is it called? The the news thing,

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the news flash.

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He he was like, there's no way. There's

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not enough stuff to cover every day on

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a news flash. And I know you can

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I would wanna do it every day. There's

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nothing to do every day. And I'm like,

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yeah. Fast forward to blind guy talks tech,

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and he's doing it every day. Exactly. But

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it but it does make sense, and and

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it does give, you know, more tech, you

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know, to double tap and give it a

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home there. And like I said, we we

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now have, you know, more ability to give,

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roundtable discussions here and just kinda take that,

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take that over. So, Robin, you, as I

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mentioned, had

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stepped in after Sean and I left.

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Tiny shoes to fill. I was gonna say

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big shoes to fill, but, no, I don't

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know. I don't know about that. But, I

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think my, shoes are smaller than yours. But

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yeah. Well, probably according to to Sean. I'm

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seven foot four. So Four can canoe feet.

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But As to the stems come. Gosh.

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But, but, yeah, you you stepped in and

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and took over for us, quite fiercely and

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and and, boldly.

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And that's not the only place you do

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stuff. You you've been on Maxis the Maxisability

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Roundtable podcast with, friends of the show, you

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know, Holly Anderson and, Darcy Bernard.

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And then you've got dot to dot, which

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is your daily,

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echo skill show, as well as the both

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of you doing the echo show, which we'll

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talk more about here in just a few

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minutes. But,

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Robin, talk to me about this. So so

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you're you're on accessibility. You're doing your own

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shows for years. Step in the tech talk,

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then that goes away, then you're a blind

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guy, then that goes away. Now you're you

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know, you and I are are being asked

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to step in occasionally as contributors for Double

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Tap, and now you're here on Life After

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Blindness. I mean, this is

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wow. Like,

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are are you dizzy? Or do you do

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you I'm exhausted. Whiplash? I mean, wow. And

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he's got a full fledged job. Yes. And

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that's in addition to oh, yeah. That's right.

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In addition to AbilityNet that, that he he

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basically runs for, you know, all of The

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UK over there.

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That's true. I do actually have a second

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company that I'm a director of as well.

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Just throw that in there too. Oh. Oh,

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gosh. Wow. I mean, is there anything this

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man can't do? You know what we did

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forget? Of course. This is Lord Doctor Robin

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Kristofferson. This is true. Yeah. Lord Doctor Robin

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Kristofferson.

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Sir Sir Robin. Yes. Yeah. Firstly, what I

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want to say is what a brilliant move

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over to life after blindness. A really good,

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a really safe pair of hands. I'm so

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glad that we haven't lost it. The show,

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the Saturday.

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Yeah. Big hands.

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But safe. So, yeah. Really looking forward to

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picking up the the chit chat, the roaming,

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discussions

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with you at the helm because,

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I'm sure, you know, we're gonna be steered

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successfully through some

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interesting topics, some really engaging topics. And we

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had so much good feedback, didn't we, on

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BGTT

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about the sort of things we covered. And

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I'm sure we're just gonna carry on doing

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that. I know you've got lots of topics,

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in your pocket, whether we'll stick with them

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or not as we do these shows going

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forward together. We will endeavor to begin every

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show with some sort of topic. I mean,

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not this episode because I wanted to catch

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people up a little bit before we get

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into

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semi sort of a kind of a topic.

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But but you're right. Yeah. I'm I'm hoping

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to at least have the idea of starting

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each episode with a good topic that we

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can dive into and really get into.

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And, yeah, you're right. The the feedback that

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we got on blind guy for the weekend

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edition

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was mixed, but for the most part, it

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seemed like people just enjoyed

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listening to the conversation. And because we were

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talking about things

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that really a lot of other places aren't

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talking about. I mean, they might touch on

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here and there and things like that, but

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we really just kinda, you know, ripped the

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the Band Aid off the scab and and

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pulled back the curtain and you know what

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I mean? We just Beautiful way to put

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it, Dickens? I mean, that was lovely, mister

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Shakespearean. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank

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you. But Is it just me that can't

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resist

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picking at you know what? Right. Please stop.

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So let's carry on. There will be no

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discussion from this point over this point going

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forward about scabs or scars or,

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other other medical

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ailments that may have occurred to people on

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this show currently. No more. Okay. Yeah. No

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more. Laying down the the house rules here.

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That's good. Carry on. Yeah. I like it.

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Because I'm not gonna I because I like

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Cadbury Creme Eggs, and now I can't eat

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them anymore the rest of my life. Oh,

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god. It's wet my thighs. Okay. If

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if if that if that is something that

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the listeners don't know about, you don't want

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to. And if you really want to, go

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listen to blind guy talk stuck and find

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it there. Anyway,

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yeah. So, Robin, I appreciate that. Thank you.

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And, yeah, that's what we're hoping to do

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here. But,

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but but,

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you know, you have been

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everywhere. I mean, you you are this consummate,

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you know, podcast traveler.

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Talk to me about

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kind of, like because this is your first

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time really being heard on a Life After

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Blindness show. I mean, we do have a

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recorded

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conversation

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that, honestly, we recorded several months ago,

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that is edited and ready to go and

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is gonna come out soon because it's still

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very valid. It's still a conversation that we

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had a long time ago that's, that's still

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very relevant.

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And, so it's gonna be coming out. But

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this technically is the first time people have

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heard you at least on my show. So

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talk to me about all these endeavors, Robin.

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Well, I mean, I think the first one

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was definitely Doctor. Dots. That's up to episode

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2,030

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something now.

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Why? So, yeah, it's a daily one. It's

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around five to ten minutes, so it actually

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does exist as a flash briefing on the

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Echo as well.

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So if people want to add that to

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their flash briefing they can just say enable

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the five minute skill demo show. That's what

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the skill is called, but it will play

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dot to dot every single day. Or you

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could just ask your smart speaker to play

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dot to dot or your phone or whatever.

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If you do it on the A Lady

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or on your,

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Google

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Home Nest thing,

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then make sure you put a tiny pause

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between the words because otherwise you'll get a

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doctor something,

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you know, podcast or something. Oh, I see.

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So you can say dot

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to

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dot. Like that? Yeah. Thank you. Well done.

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Kinda like when we did RNA in When

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we did RNA b tech talk, if you

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said RNA b too fast, you got all

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kinds of crazy things. Yes. That's right. Yeah.

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Yeah. Just a tiny pause. So yeah. That

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I mean, that's a labor of love. And

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actually, it is getting, a little bit tougher

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to find decent things That's better. Whatever.

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And I sure I'm sure that Sean can

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appreciate that because we do the Echo Show

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together each week.

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Oh. I'm not It's punishing. I'll tell you

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that much. Oh. Trying to find skills in

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oh. The Amazon app is awful. Sorry. Carry

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on. Yeah. No.

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So I mean, listeners are kind. They often

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send in suggestions and occasionally a demo as

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well, particularly David Ward. Shout out to the

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brilliant David Ward of Goodwill Valleys over in

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The States

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on your, you know, side of the pond

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who has the Echo Tips podcast, which I

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would thoroughly recommend.

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And yeah. So we, you know, we have

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a good community and I still love doing

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that. It's easy to chuck out one of

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those episodes compared That's why you like it.

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It's so easy. Easy. Well, easy once you

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find a skill

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to talk about. Yeah. It's all relative compared

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to, say, an hour long daily

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show, perhaps.

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Yes. Tell me about it. It's always we

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love talking. Alright. Let's not pretend this is

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hard work. This is, we're all here. Enjoy.

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So we're we're all here because we we

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like to talk or connect.

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So

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so dot to dot, and then that,

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like I said, you you were on our

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tech talk for for quite some time. And,

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during all that somewhere, you and Sean, as

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you just mentioned, did the Echo Show, which

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isn't just a clever name, but it is

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actually about the Echo Show and other Echo

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devices,

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that you can get with your Amazon a

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lady. So it's kind of a progression of

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dot to dot.

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Yeah. So we're up to episode 97

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will be coming out this week,

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and that means ninety seven weeks' worth.

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So, yeah, it's been going a while, hasn't

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it, Sean? Probably seems to be 97

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already. Yeah. Well, the the point was that

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we'd have a conversation and and bring both

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of us would bring skills to it. The

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dot to dot is very much a, well,

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as the name says, a five minute demo.

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Right? But we wanted to have a little

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bit of a conversation about the skills and,

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you know, discuss what worked. Yes. Just having

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a chitchat. Yes. The the the joke is

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that, like, it's funny really because all of

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our podcast seem to sort of,

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they dissolve down to just us talking rubbish

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and, you know, talking about us falling over

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or whatever for forty minutes of the show.

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Really. But Tim, that's not gonna happen here.

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I know you've got a firm hand on

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the, tiller.

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So, yes, it's not gonna happen. But, yeah,

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absolutely. The echo show was just, you know

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what? We we're a fan of this stuff,

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so we wanted to just have a conversation

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about it.

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But, yeah, as as Robin said and as

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I say to him every week, it's getting

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harder and harder to find those skills. Yep.

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Absolutely. But, the chit the chit chat's still

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as top quality as ever.

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Yeah. You say top quality.

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I say incredibly tedious. But, hey, you know,

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why not give it a go? You can

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find it in your favorite podcast, Catcher App.

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So incredibly incredibly tedious. You you came up

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with that rather quickly. Is that something your

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partner talks to you about all the time?

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Yes. Absolutely.

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Oh, see? No. No. Tim's doing it already.

524
00:18:07,394 --> 00:18:09,474
He's taking us down a different tune. It's

525
00:18:09,474 --> 00:18:11,954
your fault because you you and Steven started

526
00:18:11,954 --> 00:18:13,174
this years and years ago,

527
00:18:13,714 --> 00:18:15,554
made me do this. I I didn't corrupt

528
00:18:15,554 --> 00:18:17,714
it in this way. You did absolutely corrupted

529
00:18:17,714 --> 00:18:18,150
me.

530
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:21,690
I completely blame you and Steven. And, yeah,

531
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:23,910
speaking of Steven, as I said at the

532
00:18:23,910 --> 00:18:25,190
top of the show, I mean, you notice

533
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:27,190
he's not here because, well, he's doing this

534
00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:29,589
deep dive into, you know, double tap five

535
00:18:29,589 --> 00:18:30,630
days a week and,

536
00:18:31,115 --> 00:18:33,835
you know, other things and responsibilities that he's

537
00:18:33,835 --> 00:18:36,075
he's taken on over there at AMI. But

538
00:18:36,075 --> 00:18:38,174
you're here, Sean, despite the fact that

539
00:18:38,634 --> 00:18:41,434
you have a new show other than the

540
00:18:41,434 --> 00:18:43,355
echo show, other than five day a week

541
00:18:43,355 --> 00:18:44,009
Double Tap.

542
00:18:44,970 --> 00:18:46,809
Talk talk to people about Shaun of the

543
00:18:46,809 --> 00:18:48,809
Shed because I don't know that we've talked

544
00:18:48,809 --> 00:18:50,750
about that for my listeners at least.

545
00:18:51,289 --> 00:18:53,289
Oh, well, I'm so glad you gave me

546
00:18:53,289 --> 00:18:54,730
the name because I was thinking, do I?

547
00:18:54,730 --> 00:18:56,775
What what's that, man? But, yes, you're absolutely

548
00:18:56,775 --> 00:18:59,015
right. You're you're involved with so many things

549
00:18:59,015 --> 00:19:01,674
that you you've forgotten them. I was panicking

550
00:19:01,734 --> 00:19:03,575
for a second. Yes. I do. And I

551
00:19:03,575 --> 00:19:05,255
promise this is gonna be the last plug.

552
00:19:05,255 --> 00:19:07,734
People keep listening. But I do I do

553
00:19:07,734 --> 00:19:08,795
Shaun of the Shed,

554
00:19:09,174 --> 00:19:11,654
it's once a month. So, ah, it's such

555
00:19:11,654 --> 00:19:13,970
a bliss just doing a podcast once a

556
00:19:13,970 --> 00:19:15,669
month. But it is for,

557
00:19:16,049 --> 00:19:19,649
people new to technology or new to, you

558
00:19:19,649 --> 00:19:22,210
know, vision loss and coming to technology. So

559
00:19:22,210 --> 00:19:22,929
it's very much,

560
00:19:23,490 --> 00:19:25,934
hey. Did you know? You know? You can.

561
00:19:26,174 --> 00:19:28,095
It's it's trying to take the the the

562
00:19:28,095 --> 00:19:31,154
the scariness away from technology. The, you know,

563
00:19:31,295 --> 00:19:32,195
so many people,

564
00:19:32,975 --> 00:19:33,715
in organizations

565
00:19:34,095 --> 00:19:36,095
I've been to, and you're dealing with people

566
00:19:36,095 --> 00:19:37,934
who have just lost their sight or whatever,

567
00:19:37,934 --> 00:19:40,099
they they just say, I I can't do

568
00:19:40,099 --> 00:19:41,380
it. I, you know, I can no. I

569
00:19:41,380 --> 00:19:43,319
can't use that. And it's just

570
00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:45,460
we we all know, you know, we've all

571
00:19:45,460 --> 00:19:47,380
gone through that sight loss thing. We and,

572
00:19:47,380 --> 00:19:49,799
you know, it's it's just taking the time,

573
00:19:50,019 --> 00:19:52,585
and you're more than capable. If if I

574
00:19:52,585 --> 00:19:54,505
can do it, then anyone can do it.

575
00:19:54,505 --> 00:19:56,664
So it's just it's just me trying to

576
00:19:56,664 --> 00:19:57,565
take a

577
00:19:58,025 --> 00:19:58,924
take a

578
00:19:59,384 --> 00:20:01,704
I don't know. A simpler look at technology

579
00:20:01,704 --> 00:20:04,025
and show it's not that frightening. So, yes,

580
00:20:04,025 --> 00:20:06,105
that's Shaun of the Shed. Thank you very

581
00:20:06,105 --> 00:20:06,450
much.

582
00:20:06,929 --> 00:20:08,950
I see that highly produced

583
00:20:09,970 --> 00:20:11,109
immersive audio.

584
00:20:11,970 --> 00:20:12,789
Yeah. Well,

585
00:20:13,250 --> 00:20:14,149
that's Production.

586
00:20:14,609 --> 00:20:16,529
Let's keep that on the down low because,

587
00:20:16,929 --> 00:20:18,950
you know, that was the first few episodes.

588
00:20:19,089 --> 00:20:20,644
Let's not let's not heighten,

589
00:20:21,125 --> 00:20:22,964
expectations here, I believe. I mean, after all,

590
00:20:22,964 --> 00:20:24,484
he does have a month in between each

591
00:20:24,484 --> 00:20:26,005
one to get it edited and I do.

592
00:20:26,085 --> 00:20:28,184
Care of. I mean, although Unbelievable.

593
00:20:30,005 --> 00:20:32,164
You say that though, once a month. I

594
00:20:32,164 --> 00:20:33,065
mean, your

595
00:20:34,130 --> 00:20:34,630
occasional

596
00:20:35,009 --> 00:20:35,509
random

597
00:20:35,970 --> 00:20:37,569
audio pizza or as I used to call

598
00:20:37,569 --> 00:20:38,849
it, apple pizza. Do you remember when I

599
00:20:38,849 --> 00:20:40,849
used to mess that up, Sean? I called

600
00:20:40,849 --> 00:20:42,849
it apple pizza. Yes. You did. And you

601
00:20:42,849 --> 00:20:44,609
got to correct me every time. Actually, although

602
00:20:44,609 --> 00:20:46,289
you you used to say, you know, that's

603
00:20:46,289 --> 00:20:47,204
actually a better name.

604
00:20:47,845 --> 00:20:51,204
But Mister trick there. Yeah. But, but I

605
00:20:51,204 --> 00:20:53,204
mean, that comes out, what, once every three

606
00:20:53,204 --> 00:20:54,424
months, six months.

607
00:20:54,724 --> 00:20:56,884
Oh, well, that's Whenever. Yeah. That's that's just

608
00:20:56,884 --> 00:20:58,724
the feed we've got where someone jumps on

609
00:20:58,724 --> 00:21:01,065
when they've fallen over a bush or

610
00:21:01,519 --> 00:21:02,960
the what is the last one? I bought

611
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,599
some Tibetan singing bowls, you know. If it's

612
00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:08,079
just falling into a bush, then, why isn't

613
00:21:08,079 --> 00:21:09,599
there an episode from you almost, like, every

614
00:21:09,599 --> 00:21:12,720
day? Okay. That's enough. Alright. Bye bye. Tim.

615
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,799
Now Alright. So let's let's get to something

616
00:21:14,799 --> 00:21:16,240
that can actually be helpful. Now that we've

617
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,244
explained kind of what we've been up to,

618
00:21:18,244 --> 00:21:19,684
where I've been, where you guys have been,

619
00:21:19,684 --> 00:21:22,565
what's going on, and, caught everybody up if

620
00:21:22,565 --> 00:21:24,565
if they haven't been along the ride with

621
00:21:24,565 --> 00:21:26,105
us, these last many months,

622
00:21:26,565 --> 00:21:28,325
let let's try to help people a little

623
00:21:28,325 --> 00:21:29,924
bit in the time that we've got left.

624
00:21:29,924 --> 00:21:33,250
So I've established, I I hope, that, these

625
00:21:33,250 --> 00:21:34,690
two guys know what they're talking about when

626
00:21:34,690 --> 00:21:36,869
it comes not just to technology, but to,

627
00:21:37,250 --> 00:21:39,589
smart devices, Amazon Echo specifically,

628
00:21:40,210 --> 00:21:42,049
with It's a lie. It's a lie? It's

629
00:21:42,049 --> 00:21:43,650
a lie. They have no idea what they're

630
00:21:43,650 --> 00:21:45,750
talking about with all this echo conversation.

631
00:21:46,609 --> 00:21:48,535
So so let's let's kinda look at that

632
00:21:48,535 --> 00:21:50,394
in a in a bigger sense then.

633
00:21:51,494 --> 00:21:52,934
And and I think we know kind of

634
00:21:52,934 --> 00:21:54,535
the answer to this because I've always said

635
00:21:54,535 --> 00:21:55,035
it's

636
00:21:55,335 --> 00:21:56,795
accessibility by accident.

637
00:21:57,095 --> 00:21:58,695
But, Robin, talk to me about

638
00:21:59,335 --> 00:22:00,819
I I mean, you could be specific to

639
00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:02,359
the echo, but kind of in general,

640
00:22:02,819 --> 00:22:05,240
what makes something like an echo

641
00:22:06,419 --> 00:22:09,539
so important and specifically important to someone who

642
00:22:09,539 --> 00:22:11,474
might be visually impaired or blind?

643
00:22:11,954 --> 00:22:12,615
Cool. Okay.

644
00:22:13,234 --> 00:22:14,615
When people talk about accessibility,

645
00:22:16,035 --> 00:22:18,515
in the VI context, obviously, we're talking about,

646
00:22:18,515 --> 00:22:19,174
you know,

647
00:22:19,474 --> 00:22:21,335
for people with low or no vision,

648
00:22:22,275 --> 00:22:25,070
you know, accessibility is about can you bump

649
00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:26,509
up the text size or can you, you

650
00:22:26,509 --> 00:22:28,029
know, use speech on it or whatever it

651
00:22:28,029 --> 00:22:29,710
might be. Just to let you know for

652
00:22:29,710 --> 00:22:30,529
me accessibility

653
00:22:30,830 --> 00:22:33,710
always equals pan disability because that's who I

654
00:22:33,710 --> 00:22:36,430
work for AbilityNet. So when people say, you

655
00:22:36,430 --> 00:22:39,355
know, why are smart speakers, you know, inherently

656
00:22:39,414 --> 00:22:39,914
accessible?

657
00:22:41,654 --> 00:22:43,414
Certainly from a VI point of view, a

658
00:22:43,414 --> 00:22:46,054
visual impairment point of view, it's absolutely perfect

659
00:22:46,054 --> 00:22:46,714
for us

660
00:22:47,015 --> 00:22:47,515
because

661
00:22:47,894 --> 00:22:50,054
you can just talk to it, there's no

662
00:22:50,054 --> 00:22:51,815
screen involved, you don't have to read a

663
00:22:51,815 --> 00:22:52,315
manual,

664
00:22:53,230 --> 00:22:55,149
the bar is very low with regards you

665
00:22:55,149 --> 00:22:56,909
know, all you need is a WiFi connection

666
00:22:56,909 --> 00:22:57,409
and

667
00:22:57,950 --> 00:23:00,190
a few dollars really or pounds to be

668
00:23:00,190 --> 00:23:02,829
able to buy a device that is fully

669
00:23:02,829 --> 00:23:03,329
functional.

670
00:23:03,869 --> 00:23:06,575
And you have got this world, this wealth

671
00:23:06,575 --> 00:23:08,894
of skills and built in functionality that we

672
00:23:08,894 --> 00:23:10,975
could talk about until the cows come home.

673
00:23:10,975 --> 00:23:11,475
But,

674
00:23:12,414 --> 00:23:15,215
yeah, because it's inherently, you know, easy to

675
00:23:15,215 --> 00:23:16,115
use, cheap,

676
00:23:16,494 --> 00:23:19,869
voice operated, and gives you speech output for

677
00:23:19,869 --> 00:23:21,390
people like us with a vision impairment or

678
00:23:21,390 --> 00:23:23,630
no vision at all. Like, I think well,

679
00:23:23,630 --> 00:23:24,910
we're pretty much all in that camp now,

680
00:23:24,910 --> 00:23:26,289
aren't we? Yeah. Yeah.

681
00:23:27,309 --> 00:23:30,029
After blindness, we are looking at these speakers

682
00:23:30,029 --> 00:23:31,809
and thinking how brilliant they are for us.

683
00:23:31,869 --> 00:23:32,930
The broader picture

684
00:23:33,494 --> 00:23:37,015
didn't really happen until much later on. And

685
00:23:37,015 --> 00:23:38,775
we could talk about echoes with a screen

686
00:23:38,775 --> 00:23:41,015
and how brilliantly accessible they are and some

687
00:23:41,015 --> 00:23:43,654
of the features for other disabilities if you

688
00:23:43,654 --> 00:23:45,654
like, but that's kind of not this show.

689
00:23:45,654 --> 00:23:47,015
But I just wanted to flag that as

690
00:23:47,015 --> 00:23:47,515
well.

691
00:23:48,099 --> 00:23:49,000
Because often,

692
00:23:50,099 --> 00:23:52,419
disabilities don't just fit into neat boxes, do

693
00:23:52,419 --> 00:23:54,355
they? So, you know, some people might have

694
00:23:54,627 --> 00:23:56,759
does it? What a shed shape?

695
00:23:57,220 --> 00:23:58,440
No. No. Shed shape.

696
00:24:00,544 --> 00:24:02,784
Big Mac box shape, actually. Thank you very

697
00:24:02,784 --> 00:24:04,804
much. Yeah. KFC bucket shape.

698
00:24:05,105 --> 00:24:07,444
Yeah. It has curry in it. Yeah. Yes.

699
00:24:08,384 --> 00:24:10,005
Anyway, please continue, Robin.

700
00:24:10,384 --> 00:24:10,944
Yeah. So,

701
00:24:11,664 --> 00:24:14,304
we could talk about the broader accessibility features.

702
00:24:14,304 --> 00:24:16,059
And, you know, I would point people at

703
00:24:16,059 --> 00:24:16,460
the,

704
00:24:17,099 --> 00:24:17,599
Alady

705
00:24:18,059 --> 00:24:20,559
accessibility hub if you just search for that.

706
00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:23,119
Alady obviously being a l e x a.

707
00:24:24,059 --> 00:24:26,299
Then you'll get all of the lowdown of

708
00:24:26,299 --> 00:24:29,154
the brilliant features across all the different disabilities.

709
00:24:29,154 --> 00:24:30,355
So, yeah, I just wanted to get that

710
00:24:30,355 --> 00:24:31,654
out there that

711
00:24:32,035 --> 00:24:34,055
the echoes that Amazon have produced

712
00:24:34,914 --> 00:24:37,654
are really accessible in in the broadest sense.

713
00:24:37,715 --> 00:24:40,434
They really, really are. But, yeah, for people

714
00:24:40,434 --> 00:24:41,174
like ourselves,

715
00:24:41,609 --> 00:24:43,130
how brilliant is it to just be able

716
00:24:43,130 --> 00:24:44,730
to talk to the air and get really

717
00:24:44,730 --> 00:24:45,630
useful information?

718
00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:48,009
Because, I don't know about you guys, but,

719
00:24:48,009 --> 00:24:49,630
you know, computers absolutely

720
00:24:49,930 --> 00:24:51,549
open doors and are brilliant,

721
00:24:52,089 --> 00:24:53,230
but really, really

722
00:24:53,794 --> 00:24:56,454
complicated. And, you know, a desktop app or

723
00:24:56,835 --> 00:24:59,154
the amount of information that's in, you know,

724
00:24:59,154 --> 00:25:00,355
on a on a web page on the

725
00:25:00,355 --> 00:25:03,474
desktop, there's just so much there. And whether

726
00:25:03,474 --> 00:25:05,634
that's with low vision or with speech output,

727
00:25:05,634 --> 00:25:08,535
it's a really complicated thing to navigate around.

728
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,000
Then with the advent of smartphones, much smaller

729
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:12,500
screen,

730
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:13,859
much more

731
00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:15,299
distilled down

732
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,420
UI, you know, user interface for us to

733
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:19,539
to contend with.

734
00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:22,720
And that was a godsend because you've just

735
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:23,684
got far less

736
00:25:24,005 --> 00:25:24,505
information,

737
00:25:25,285 --> 00:25:27,445
there's much less clutter and all that sort

738
00:25:27,445 --> 00:25:29,684
of thing. So anyone that's managed to get

739
00:25:29,684 --> 00:25:31,705
to grips with a smartphone for example

740
00:25:32,245 --> 00:25:34,644
has really benefited from that. But the smart

741
00:25:34,644 --> 00:25:37,684
speaker is like the distillation down to its

742
00:25:37,684 --> 00:25:39,890
pure essence, isn't it? I often talk about

743
00:25:39,890 --> 00:25:41,429
the age of ambient computing

744
00:25:41,890 --> 00:25:43,409
where, you know, you can just talk to

745
00:25:43,409 --> 00:25:45,909
the air and get, you know, useful information

746
00:25:45,970 --> 00:25:46,470
back.

747
00:25:46,849 --> 00:25:49,329
And often, as we know now, you can

748
00:25:49,329 --> 00:25:51,525
get tailored information as well because it can

749
00:25:51,605 --> 00:25:53,684
recognize your voice, it can pull from your

750
00:25:53,684 --> 00:25:54,184
calendar,

751
00:25:54,565 --> 00:25:55,384
your skills,

752
00:25:56,644 --> 00:25:58,105
you know, give you the

753
00:25:58,484 --> 00:26:00,644
the news briefing that you want, that sort

754
00:26:00,644 --> 00:26:02,664
of thing. So, yeah, hugely

755
00:26:03,684 --> 00:26:05,205
empowering. And as soon as I got a

756
00:26:05,205 --> 00:26:06,884
first gen echo dot, I thought, okay, I've

757
00:26:06,884 --> 00:26:09,279
got to start telling people about this because,

758
00:26:09,740 --> 00:26:11,200
it was relatively unknown,

759
00:26:12,460 --> 00:26:15,180
five or six years ago. You know? It's

760
00:26:15,180 --> 00:26:17,740
crazy to to believe, but, yeah, it was

761
00:26:17,819 --> 00:26:19,500
Where we've come to. Yeah. Yeah. I can't

762
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:21,019
believe it's been that long. And and you're

763
00:26:21,019 --> 00:26:23,325
absolutely right. And I think that doing a

764
00:26:23,325 --> 00:26:26,045
a wider kind of, you know, broad discussion

765
00:26:26,045 --> 00:26:27,804
about this is something that maybe we should

766
00:26:27,804 --> 00:26:29,964
do for a future episode, but I just

767
00:26:29,964 --> 00:26:31,105
wanted to to

768
00:26:31,644 --> 00:26:34,304
let people in on the idea of what

769
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:34,919
the

770
00:26:35,399 --> 00:26:37,399
something like an Amazon Echo or or or

771
00:26:37,399 --> 00:26:39,799
Google Home Nest, whatever they're calling it now.

772
00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:41,960
Yeah. What they can rely to be some

773
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,200
favoritism here. I I don't want to point

774
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,039
it out at both of you, but each

775
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:47,954
of you gave the Google Nest y thingy,

776
00:26:48,515 --> 00:26:49,015
that

777
00:26:49,474 --> 00:26:51,634
thing. As you just did. Yes. No. I'm

778
00:26:51,634 --> 00:26:52,034
just

779
00:26:52,434 --> 00:26:54,835
He was telling us how phrasing you. I'm

780
00:26:54,835 --> 00:26:57,315
quoting yourself back, but I I I absolutely

781
00:26:57,315 --> 00:26:58,595
have no idea what it's called either. I

782
00:26:58,595 --> 00:27:00,515
don't think Google do anymore. I think it's

783
00:27:00,515 --> 00:27:03,493
officially the Nest home now, but but It

784
00:27:03,493 --> 00:27:05,688
is. That's right. The point is, I think,

785
00:27:05,688 --> 00:27:08,157
though, the the reason why and you guys

786
00:27:08,432 --> 00:27:10,627
correct me if I'm wrong because you guys

787
00:27:10,627 --> 00:27:12,822
are the ones that literally do the show

788
00:27:12,822 --> 00:27:15,566
on this thing. We even specifically as as

789
00:27:15,566 --> 00:27:17,761
blind or visually impaired people, we kinda gravitate

790
00:27:17,761 --> 00:27:20,204
to the echo more because of the skills

791
00:27:20,424 --> 00:27:23,224
and and what it can offer. Because the

792
00:27:23,224 --> 00:27:24,204
Google Nest Home

793
00:27:24,585 --> 00:27:26,585
really isn't as robust when it comes to

794
00:27:26,585 --> 00:27:27,804
something like that. Right?

795
00:27:28,904 --> 00:27:30,605
They have I think they're called actions.

796
00:27:31,224 --> 00:27:32,984
Yeah. And the last time it looked, there

797
00:27:32,984 --> 00:27:34,779
was about 10,000

798
00:27:34,779 --> 00:27:36,700
actions in Oh, is it that many now?

799
00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:38,460
Okay. Good. I thought you were gonna say

800
00:27:38,460 --> 00:27:40,320
10 for a second. So did I.

801
00:27:40,779 --> 00:27:42,320
Right. If it's anything like

802
00:27:43,339 --> 00:27:44,640
the A Lady store,

803
00:27:46,539 --> 00:27:49,305
there's a real mixed bag there. You know,

804
00:27:49,445 --> 00:27:50,884
5% of those will be,

805
00:27:51,765 --> 00:27:54,265
how can I put this, wind expulsion

806
00:27:54,805 --> 00:27:55,305
simulation?

807
00:27:57,924 --> 00:28:00,404
Well, that's that's too nice, sweetie, but that's

808
00:28:00,404 --> 00:28:02,664
so posh. He is. Wow.

809
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:05,440
And other things of a similar kind of,

810
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,079
you know, caliber. But, many of them are,

811
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:10,480
you know, fantastically useful. But, yeah, I think

812
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,920
in the skill store at the moment for

813
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,079
the A Lady, it's over a 120,000.

814
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:16,559
So, you know, probably that's a much lower

815
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:18,184
figure than the last time I looked. It

816
00:28:18,184 --> 00:28:20,025
was around there. So You've only covered how

817
00:28:20,025 --> 00:28:21,224
many of those on dot the dot? You

818
00:28:21,224 --> 00:28:23,724
still have plenty to go. I know. Yeah.

819
00:28:24,105 --> 00:28:25,384
Well, as I say, though, a lot of

820
00:28:25,464 --> 00:28:26,204
Wind expulsion.

821
00:28:26,744 --> 00:28:28,825
Yeah. Plenty of wind expulsion skills to talk

822
00:28:28,825 --> 00:28:30,345
about. You know what? My my my point

823
00:28:30,345 --> 00:28:32,025
though is is that, yes, they both are

824
00:28:32,025 --> 00:28:34,559
very viable, but I think that there seems

825
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:35,140
to be

826
00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:37,920
kind of a a gravitational pull towards the

827
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:38,740
Amazon Echoes,

828
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:40,880
for whatever reason. Maybe because they were first,

829
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,819
maybe because there's more skills and seemingly

830
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,200
feels like more more that you can do.

831
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,140
But but you're right, Sean. I mean,

832
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:48,799
that makes me sick to say that out

833
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:50,563
loud. I I hate you. Well done. But,

834
00:28:50,798 --> 00:28:52,675
but I try not I try not to

835
00:28:52,675 --> 00:28:54,553
say that to my wife. I don't wanna

836
00:28:54,553 --> 00:28:56,666
say it to you either. But, but but

837
00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:58,778
no. Like, the the Nest Home does have

838
00:28:58,778 --> 00:29:00,656
its fair share of of good things to

839
00:29:00,656 --> 00:29:03,029
have for it. And so, especially because it's

840
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:05,109
built with Google Search, and we know how

841
00:29:05,109 --> 00:29:06,549
good, you know, good Google Search is. Oh,

842
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:09,210
it's amazing. For answering questions, it it beats

843
00:29:09,349 --> 00:29:11,269
Lady a all over the room. So it's

844
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:14,069
fantastic for that. And in Canada, where the,

845
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:17,184
Google smart speaker was out first, it is

846
00:29:17,184 --> 00:29:18,625
more popular. Yeah. You know, it's got that

847
00:29:18,625 --> 00:29:20,565
head start. So there is that very much

848
00:29:20,705 --> 00:29:22,545
whoever got to, you know, at the gate

849
00:29:22,545 --> 00:29:24,785
first does tend to hold most of the

850
00:29:24,785 --> 00:29:26,384
market share. It's kinda like the idea of

851
00:29:26,384 --> 00:29:28,384
if you used an iPhone first, you're probably

852
00:29:28,384 --> 00:29:29,825
more prone to wanna use an iPhone. If

853
00:29:29,825 --> 00:29:31,509
you use an Android first, that's where you

854
00:29:31,509 --> 00:29:33,109
wanna be as well. So it's it is

855
00:29:33,109 --> 00:29:35,269
kind of that adoption, you know, mentality of

856
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:37,109
it. But I do feel it's shifting slightly,

857
00:29:37,109 --> 00:29:39,190
though, in in in Canada as well because,

858
00:29:39,349 --> 00:29:39,849
Google

859
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:43,190
do have a reputation of just dropping things,

860
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:44,710
you know. And it it does feel like

861
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:46,875
Amazon are so committed that I mean, they

862
00:29:46,875 --> 00:29:48,815
had such a roaring success

863
00:29:49,434 --> 00:29:51,215
with their, smart speaker,

864
00:29:51,835 --> 00:29:54,894
and and with the addition of so many

865
00:29:55,035 --> 00:29:55,535
smart,

866
00:29:56,235 --> 00:29:58,174
devices as well in the,

867
00:29:58,679 --> 00:30:00,119
not that they're not in the Google as

868
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:02,519
well, but it just seems like Amazon really

869
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:05,079
have put it all in for smart speakers.

870
00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:07,159
And Google, there's still that slight, you know,

871
00:30:07,159 --> 00:30:09,159
we're changing the name now as they did

872
00:30:09,159 --> 00:30:09,899
the Google

873
00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:11,899
Nest Hub or whatever.

874
00:30:12,775 --> 00:30:14,615
And there's always that slight feeling that are

875
00:30:14,615 --> 00:30:16,615
Google really that committed or is there a

876
00:30:16,615 --> 00:30:18,315
chance they could just drop it tomorrow?

877
00:30:18,695 --> 00:30:21,355
And also Google don't have the infrastructure behind

878
00:30:21,575 --> 00:30:22,075
pushing

879
00:30:22,535 --> 00:30:24,875
their devices. You know, we all use Amazon.

880
00:30:24,934 --> 00:30:26,214
I'm sure we do. You know, we've all

881
00:30:26,214 --> 00:30:27,869
got Amazon's accounts. We've we're

882
00:30:28,750 --> 00:30:29,890
probably Prime members.

883
00:30:30,349 --> 00:30:32,990
And, you know You're a sheep, Robin. Sheeple.

884
00:30:32,990 --> 00:30:36,046
That's your problem. Fight the power. I think

885
00:30:36,430 --> 00:30:38,269
Oh, next day delivery. Thank you very much,

886
00:30:38,269 --> 00:30:41,470
sir. Sometime same day delivery. Yeah. Yes. But,

887
00:30:42,349 --> 00:30:43,569
you know, they can push,

888
00:30:44,454 --> 00:30:47,494
sales on Black Friday and other Amazon Prime

889
00:30:47,494 --> 00:30:49,894
Days and stuff like that. You know, their

890
00:30:49,894 --> 00:30:51,255
devices are always at the top of the

891
00:30:51,255 --> 00:30:52,315
list, aren't they?

892
00:30:53,575 --> 00:30:54,394
Super cheap.

893
00:30:54,855 --> 00:30:57,359
Really cheap as chips, aren't they? And very,

894
00:30:57,359 --> 00:30:59,359
very functional. So, you know, Google doesn't I

895
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:01,519
mean, they could push stuff on Google search

896
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:04,160
result pages, I suppose, but, you know, just

897
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,940
the utility of getting,

898
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:07,619
Prime delivery,

899
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,765
so cheap. I don't know how much

900
00:31:10,244 --> 00:31:11,144
entry level

901
00:31:11,605 --> 00:31:12,585
home nest

902
00:31:12,964 --> 00:31:14,184
thing. Sorry.

903
00:31:15,045 --> 00:31:16,964
What the Come on, Robin. They well, look.

904
00:31:16,964 --> 00:31:17,945
They're very comparable.

905
00:31:18,404 --> 00:31:19,625
It it will be close.

906
00:31:20,404 --> 00:31:22,404
Yeah. It's it's around yeah. Yeah. We're talking

907
00:31:22,404 --> 00:31:24,250
not in sell and whatever. So they're all

908
00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:27,049
about $50, aren't they? So the starting point.

909
00:31:27,049 --> 00:31:29,230
So they are really competitively

910
00:31:29,609 --> 00:31:31,549
priced when it comes to the Amazon side.

911
00:31:32,089 --> 00:31:33,769
And when you can find either of them

912
00:31:33,769 --> 00:31:36,329
on sale, you're talking $20.25 dollars. I mean,

913
00:31:36,329 --> 00:31:39,544
it's Absolutely. Ridiculous item. Wrong. Voice is brilliant.

914
00:31:39,605 --> 00:31:42,085
I mean, voice choice is brilliant. Well, the

915
00:31:42,085 --> 00:31:44,244
voices are brilliant too, but, yes, voice is

916
00:31:44,244 --> 00:31:46,644
brilliant. Yes. Yeah. There's so many different varieties

917
00:31:46,644 --> 00:31:48,744
and and shapes and sizes and and voices,

918
00:31:49,444 --> 00:31:51,444
as as it were. But but, no. Like,

919
00:31:51,524 --> 00:31:53,044
I had talked to you guys about on

920
00:31:53,044 --> 00:31:55,519
Amazon Prime Day. I traded in an old

921
00:31:55,819 --> 00:31:58,720
echo one, the the original, you know, Pringles

922
00:31:58,779 --> 00:32:01,919
canister echo one, you know, regular edition,

923
00:32:02,299 --> 00:32:03,900
whatever you wanna call it. And I Yeah.

924
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:05,740
But they're selling them on eBay now for

925
00:32:05,740 --> 00:32:07,500
a thousand dollars. Have you seen it? Say

926
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:09,714
what? Don't tell me that. No. Stop. Stop.

927
00:32:09,714 --> 00:32:11,075
I know I'm joking. Stop it. I know

928
00:32:11,075 --> 00:32:12,994
you are. I've known you long enough. I

929
00:32:12,994 --> 00:32:14,595
know when you're joking. At least I think

930
00:32:14,595 --> 00:32:16,434
I do. Anyway, so no. I I traded

931
00:32:16,434 --> 00:32:18,194
it in because they give you, you know,

932
00:32:18,194 --> 00:32:19,174
$25

933
00:32:19,234 --> 00:32:20,615
towards another purchase,

934
00:32:21,234 --> 00:32:23,154
of an Echo device plus 25%

935
00:32:23,154 --> 00:32:23,654
off,

936
00:32:24,034 --> 00:32:25,014
and I

937
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,839
was basically paid to get a Echo Dot

938
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:29,339
four.

939
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,440
Yeah. I I didn't actually I actually ended

940
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,599
up having $4 left over, and that was

941
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:35,099
after,

942
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,720
buying something else with with the money that

943
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,794
I had. So the sale was so good,

944
00:32:39,794 --> 00:32:40,994
and my trade in, you know, made it

945
00:32:40,994 --> 00:32:42,434
even better. I mean, it was $20, I

946
00:32:42,434 --> 00:32:44,674
think, on sale. And then after the, you

947
00:32:44,674 --> 00:32:47,075
know, the discount plus the, you know, the

948
00:32:47,075 --> 00:32:49,494
the money back, and and Yeah. It's ridiculous.

949
00:32:49,634 --> 00:32:51,794
So, yeah, I mean, it's such an easy,

950
00:32:51,794 --> 00:32:53,960
inexpensive thing to get and to be able

951
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,640
to just speak to it. And as you

952
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,539
alluded to, Robin,

953
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,900
there are things that it offers that they

954
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,599
offer for more than just somebody who's who's,

955
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:04,940
you know, partially sighted or or blind because

956
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,195
even like with the Echo Show, you know,

957
00:33:07,195 --> 00:33:09,455
you can sign language to the camera.

958
00:33:09,835 --> 00:33:11,914
You can hold up things if you're visually

959
00:33:11,914 --> 00:33:14,234
impaired and and have the camera scan the

960
00:33:14,234 --> 00:33:15,994
barcode or tell you what the product is.

961
00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:17,355
So similar to what you can do, you

962
00:33:17,355 --> 00:33:18,335
know, with your phone,

963
00:33:18,955 --> 00:33:20,154
you know, you can do that with an

964
00:33:20,154 --> 00:33:22,430
Echo Show. So, I mean, so many things

965
00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:25,390
that are available for not just us, but

966
00:33:25,390 --> 00:33:27,710
but as you said, Robin, many different types

967
00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:29,710
of disabilities that they're thinking about, and they're

968
00:33:29,710 --> 00:33:32,190
integrating things in there to help different people.

969
00:33:32,190 --> 00:33:34,130
So, I mean, it it really becomes

970
00:33:34,589 --> 00:33:36,130
a big game changer because,

971
00:33:36,430 --> 00:33:39,994
excuse me, for, you know, anywhere from $25,

972
00:33:39,994 --> 00:33:41,755
we'll say, up to $50 to just get

973
00:33:41,755 --> 00:33:43,115
you in the door of a device like

974
00:33:43,115 --> 00:33:43,615
this.

975
00:33:44,154 --> 00:33:46,875
You've got this amazing accessibility right out of

976
00:33:46,875 --> 00:33:49,215
the box. You can use it to check-in

977
00:33:49,355 --> 00:33:51,195
on, you know, your loved ones, you know,

978
00:33:51,195 --> 00:33:53,429
drop in, say, you know, when my grandma

979
00:33:53,429 --> 00:33:54,950
was still living on her own before she

980
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:57,190
moved in with my parents, we had an

981
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:58,789
echo you know, couple echoes set up in

982
00:33:58,789 --> 00:34:00,150
her house so that we could drop in,

983
00:34:00,150 --> 00:34:01,750
make sure she was okay, or if she

984
00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:03,750
needed to call out to call emergency services

985
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:04,545
if she fell.

986
00:34:04,945 --> 00:34:06,705
Yeah. You know, it was it it's such

987
00:34:06,705 --> 00:34:07,205
a,

988
00:34:07,664 --> 00:34:10,625
you know, wonderful thing to know that you

989
00:34:10,625 --> 00:34:13,025
you have that ability to do that. So

990
00:34:13,025 --> 00:34:14,144
if you try calling them on the phone

991
00:34:14,144 --> 00:34:15,505
and you can't get them, you can just

992
00:34:15,505 --> 00:34:17,105
drop in and be like, hello? Are you

993
00:34:17,105 --> 00:34:19,579
okay? What's going on? You know? Yeah. And

994
00:34:19,579 --> 00:34:21,179
scare scare the living daylights out of them.

995
00:34:21,179 --> 00:34:22,140
I'm sure. But,

996
00:34:22,619 --> 00:34:24,619
but, no. So I mean, there's so many

997
00:34:24,619 --> 00:34:27,340
different things that not just for for, you

998
00:34:27,340 --> 00:34:29,820
know, daily, just like you said, you know,

999
00:34:29,820 --> 00:34:32,239
before about checking your calendar or checking

1000
00:34:32,574 --> 00:34:34,574
the news or listening to podcasts and music.

1001
00:34:34,574 --> 00:34:36,655
I mean, there's all those basic things, but

1002
00:34:36,655 --> 00:34:38,195
the fact that you can do them,

1003
00:34:38,655 --> 00:34:40,815
you know, just speaking to the air, all

1004
00:34:40,815 --> 00:34:42,735
the Star Trek, you know, the future is

1005
00:34:42,735 --> 00:34:44,815
now, you know, and be able to get

1006
00:34:44,815 --> 00:34:45,554
that information.

1007
00:34:45,855 --> 00:34:46,769
I don't know how I mean, I don't

1008
00:34:46,769 --> 00:34:48,409
know how many times a day we use

1009
00:34:48,409 --> 00:34:49,869
it in our household to

1010
00:34:50,170 --> 00:34:52,569
ask math questions. Although, we have to stop

1011
00:34:52,569 --> 00:34:54,089
doing that because my 10 year old keeps

1012
00:34:54,089 --> 00:34:56,089
going, see, I don't need to learn math.

1013
00:34:56,089 --> 00:34:58,109
You guys just ask the echo anyway.

1014
00:34:58,569 --> 00:35:01,265
She's absolutely right. I mean, she's correct. She's

1015
00:35:01,344 --> 00:35:03,105
don't tell her that she's not wrong, but

1016
00:35:03,105 --> 00:35:05,105
still No. Absolutely. To learn her math. Thank

1017
00:35:05,105 --> 00:35:07,344
you. But, but no. So, I mean, just

1018
00:35:07,344 --> 00:35:08,465
to be able to do that, to listen

1019
00:35:08,465 --> 00:35:11,344
to audiobooks, to to you know, just whatever

1020
00:35:11,344 --> 00:35:13,110
it is, to be able to do it

1021
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:15,130
just by calling out to the air

1022
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:17,110
is is amazing. I mean, a friend of

1023
00:35:17,110 --> 00:35:19,369
mine got the, Amazon Echo,

1024
00:35:19,989 --> 00:35:21,769
well, the Amazon, microwave

1025
00:35:22,070 --> 00:35:23,670
where the Echo is not built in, but

1026
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:25,349
it works with your Echo. Mhmm. And so

1027
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:26,950
he could just put something in the microwave,

1028
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:28,985
close the door, and then talk to lady

1029
00:35:29,445 --> 00:35:29,945
a

1030
00:35:30,405 --> 00:35:32,164
to make the, you know, the microwave do

1031
00:35:32,164 --> 00:35:33,224
what he wants it to do.

1032
00:35:33,845 --> 00:35:36,184
I mean, that used to cost us,

1033
00:35:37,125 --> 00:35:38,885
you know, $5.06, $700

1034
00:35:38,885 --> 00:35:39,925
to do that, and now you can do

1035
00:35:39,925 --> 00:35:41,845
it with the smart home. Microwaves. Yeah. Totally.

1036
00:35:41,845 --> 00:35:43,849
Right. Yeah. For a talking microwave. Right. I

1037
00:35:43,849 --> 00:35:45,690
mean, we should talk about smart home. We

1038
00:35:45,690 --> 00:35:46,890
absolutely will in a second.

1039
00:35:47,289 --> 00:35:49,530
But I wanna flag for to go on

1040
00:35:49,530 --> 00:35:51,369
after that conversation, which is how you can

1041
00:35:51,369 --> 00:35:54,110
make other devices smart that you can,

1042
00:35:54,809 --> 00:35:56,730
you know, with a remote control, for example.

1043
00:35:56,730 --> 00:35:57,914
So we'll talk about that in a sec.

1044
00:35:57,914 --> 00:35:59,675
But, yeah, let's talk about smart. Let's talk

1045
00:35:59,675 --> 00:36:01,454
about connected home and that sort of thing.

1046
00:36:01,914 --> 00:36:03,914
Well, I mean, why not? Let's just go

1047
00:36:03,914 --> 00:36:06,255
right into it then, Robin, because you're right.

1048
00:36:06,554 --> 00:36:10,094
The Echo devices, the the, Nest Home devices

1049
00:36:10,650 --> 00:36:13,049
really open up not just, like, everything we

1050
00:36:13,049 --> 00:36:15,049
were just talking about, just asking simple questions

1051
00:36:15,049 --> 00:36:17,690
or even very specific questions and getting that

1052
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:19,549
accessibility for us, you know,

1053
00:36:19,929 --> 00:36:21,849
so easily. But it does open up a

1054
00:36:21,849 --> 00:36:23,289
lot of things that you can have it

1055
00:36:23,289 --> 00:36:25,545
help you do around the house, making your

1056
00:36:25,545 --> 00:36:26,764
house smarter, which

1057
00:36:27,065 --> 00:36:30,204
is another byproduct of making your house accessible

1058
00:36:30,344 --> 00:36:32,184
in a way, especially if maybe you're in

1059
00:36:32,184 --> 00:36:34,344
a wheelchair or you have Parkinson's and it's

1060
00:36:34,344 --> 00:36:36,105
hard for you to maybe, you know, reach

1061
00:36:36,105 --> 00:36:38,184
out to to grab a switch or to,

1062
00:36:38,184 --> 00:36:40,179
you know, pull the blinds or, you know,

1063
00:36:40,179 --> 00:36:41,699
you know, whatever it might be, whatever, you

1064
00:36:41,699 --> 00:36:43,539
know, is going on. Or even if, you

1065
00:36:43,539 --> 00:36:45,140
know, for for people that might be deaf

1066
00:36:45,140 --> 00:36:47,140
that that have it connected to a doorbell

1067
00:36:47,140 --> 00:36:48,840
and they can get announcements and things,

1068
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:50,739
you know, coming up on their Echo Show,

1069
00:36:50,739 --> 00:36:52,280
etcetera. I mean, those are

1070
00:36:52,755 --> 00:36:55,474
not just useful, helpful things for everybody, but,

1071
00:36:55,474 --> 00:36:57,654
again, adds another layer of accessibility,

1072
00:36:58,835 --> 00:37:01,554
when when you start utilizing these devices for

1073
00:37:01,554 --> 00:37:02,855
smart home. Right, Robin?

1074
00:37:03,474 --> 00:37:05,635
Totally. Yeah. And Sean's got most of those,

1075
00:37:05,635 --> 00:37:07,474
and I've got none of those. I've got

1076
00:37:07,474 --> 00:37:08,489
a smart light bulb.

1077
00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:10,429
And what else have I got?

1078
00:37:10,809 --> 00:37:13,050
I think that's about it. Nothing Robin. You're

1079
00:37:13,050 --> 00:37:13,949
such a luddite.

1080
00:37:14,329 --> 00:37:15,929
Okay. I'm gonna tell you about this guy.

1081
00:37:15,929 --> 00:37:17,769
Right? He's called the Bioneer. I might have

1082
00:37:17,769 --> 00:37:20,429
mentioned it on another show. But the Bioneer

1083
00:37:21,144 --> 00:37:22,285
is basically saying

1084
00:37:22,585 --> 00:37:24,365
push back against convenience.

1085
00:37:25,065 --> 00:37:26,825
You know, reach up on that shelf to

1086
00:37:26,825 --> 00:37:28,505
get something even if you don't need it.

1087
00:37:28,505 --> 00:37:30,585
Bend down, crawl around the room if you

1088
00:37:30,585 --> 00:37:31,325
want to.

1089
00:37:32,265 --> 00:37:32,765
Just

1090
00:37:33,305 --> 00:37:35,164
go extreme when it comes to

1091
00:37:35,550 --> 00:37:37,329
doing physical things, okay,

1092
00:37:37,710 --> 00:37:39,710
and that's kind of the antithesis of smart

1093
00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:41,230
home. But as you were saying Tim, you

1094
00:37:41,230 --> 00:37:43,070
know, if you've got an impairment like my

1095
00:37:43,070 --> 00:37:44,130
sister who's bedbound

1096
00:37:44,590 --> 00:37:47,150
then the smart home is absolutely brilliant and

1097
00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:48,530
she does have all that stuff.

1098
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:51,065
So that's really, really important. But,

1099
00:37:51,945 --> 00:37:54,585
as far as making our home smarter, I'm

1100
00:37:54,585 --> 00:37:55,965
kind of pushing back on that

1101
00:37:56,265 --> 00:37:58,825
because I, you know, they say sitting is

1102
00:37:58,825 --> 00:38:01,065
the new smoking. Oh, you're such a hippie,

1103
00:38:01,065 --> 00:38:03,224
Robin. Oh, you annoy me. What are you

1104
00:38:03,224 --> 00:38:05,485
talking about? I do have the full time

1105
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:08,230
sitting at my desk scenario that I need

1106
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:10,889
to push back on. I mean, he's he's

1107
00:38:11,429 --> 00:38:14,069
maybe half not wrong. I mean, because no.

1108
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:15,349
I I know what he's saying, and I

1109
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:17,269
and I do agree to an extent. However

1110
00:38:17,429 --> 00:38:19,195
No. You don't. The, I mean,

1111
00:38:19,574 --> 00:38:21,255
I don't practice it. I didn't say I

1112
00:38:21,255 --> 00:38:23,175
practice it. I just said that I I

1113
00:38:23,175 --> 00:38:24,855
agree to an extent. But, no, I mean,

1114
00:38:24,855 --> 00:38:26,695
I I get the point both sides. I

1115
00:38:26,695 --> 00:38:29,335
I can see both sides without seeing. Well

1116
00:38:29,335 --> 00:38:29,835
done.

1117
00:38:30,295 --> 00:38:31,974
But, no, I I I do get it

1118
00:38:31,974 --> 00:38:34,155
that it it does kinda make us,

1119
00:38:34,489 --> 00:38:35,849
I don't wanna use the word lazy because

1120
00:38:35,849 --> 00:38:36,829
that sounds harsh.

1121
00:38:37,369 --> 00:38:39,449
The the that sounds savage as the children

1122
00:38:39,449 --> 00:38:40,829
say. Do they still say that?

1123
00:38:41,130 --> 00:38:41,369
But,

1124
00:38:42,569 --> 00:38:44,170
I I don't know. I think maybe they

1125
00:38:44,170 --> 00:38:46,010
do. But, anyway but but, no, I mean,

1126
00:38:46,010 --> 00:38:47,530
we we we do get,

1127
00:38:47,849 --> 00:38:50,644
resigned to the couch a bit and can

1128
00:38:50,644 --> 00:38:52,324
just call out, and that and that that

1129
00:38:52,324 --> 00:38:54,005
that could be an issue. But It's a

1130
00:38:54,005 --> 00:38:55,925
great thing. Don't send me a big guy

1131
00:38:55,925 --> 00:38:57,204
like it's a bad thing. But but no.

1132
00:38:57,204 --> 00:38:58,405
No. No. See, that that's what I was

1133
00:38:58,405 --> 00:39:00,985
gonna say. Like, it's it's amazing for convenience

1134
00:39:01,204 --> 00:39:03,065
and for the ability of what it does.

1135
00:39:03,389 --> 00:39:05,549
And as we mentioned, for for people that

1136
00:39:05,549 --> 00:39:07,630
might have a certain type of impairment, it

1137
00:39:07,630 --> 00:39:11,230
opens up doors, possibly even literally, that, or

1138
00:39:11,230 --> 00:39:12,989
unlocks them at least that,

1139
00:39:13,789 --> 00:39:15,309
I try. I try. I'll be here all

1140
00:39:15,309 --> 00:39:16,349
week or maybe.

1141
00:39:16,670 --> 00:39:18,369
But, no, like, it it does,

1142
00:39:19,355 --> 00:39:21,835
you know, provide availability to a person that

1143
00:39:21,835 --> 00:39:24,174
maybe would have not had that at all.

1144
00:39:24,394 --> 00:39:25,534
Now in your house,

1145
00:39:25,835 --> 00:39:27,534
Sean, as as Robin said,

1146
00:39:27,994 --> 00:39:30,315
I mean, I've lost count how many Echo

1147
00:39:30,315 --> 00:39:32,635
ish devices you've got. I think it was,

1148
00:39:32,635 --> 00:39:34,660
like, I don't know, nine, twelve, 15. I

1149
00:39:34,660 --> 00:39:35,320
don't know.

1150
00:39:35,699 --> 00:39:37,699
With all your different smart things. I mean

1151
00:39:37,806 --> 00:39:39,380
in each room? Yeah. In each yeah. Nine

1152
00:39:39,380 --> 00:39:41,059
of them in each room. Exactly. I mean

1153
00:39:41,219 --> 00:39:43,780
Still fit. You've actually carved like, when you

1154
00:39:43,780 --> 00:39:45,619
redid the the shed, for Sean of the

1155
00:39:45,619 --> 00:39:48,135
shed, I mean, you actually put one embedded

1156
00:39:48,135 --> 00:39:50,614
into the wall, I I believe, and and

1157
00:39:50,614 --> 00:39:52,535
mounted one. So so, I mean, like, you

1158
00:39:52,535 --> 00:39:54,135
you you are the master of the smart

1159
00:39:54,135 --> 00:39:55,574
home here. So so what are what are

1160
00:39:55,574 --> 00:39:56,635
you using, Sean?

1161
00:39:57,094 --> 00:39:59,255
Well, see, Robin says that because he has

1162
00:39:59,255 --> 00:40:01,114
literally one single light bulb,

1163
00:40:01,574 --> 00:40:03,599
and he, as I said, a Luddite. But,

1164
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,119
the one more than that is a lot

1165
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:06,559
to him is what you're saying. Yeah. Exactly

1166
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:08,800
right. So I I haven't gone all in

1167
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:09,599
because there's still

1168
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,320
look. I love the smart home. I love

1169
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,079
the technology of it. I just think it's,

1170
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:15,405
you know, aside from

1171
00:40:15,804 --> 00:40:16,545
the accessibility

1172
00:40:16,844 --> 00:40:18,765
angle from it, which of course is incredibly

1173
00:40:18,765 --> 00:40:20,684
import important. I'm just a bit of a

1174
00:40:20,684 --> 00:40:21,885
geek at heart, and I just think this

1175
00:40:21,885 --> 00:40:24,605
stuff is cool as well. So, you know,

1176
00:40:24,605 --> 00:40:27,085
trying to convince my partner that is a

1177
00:40:27,085 --> 00:40:29,309
totally different matter. But That you're cool or

1178
00:40:29,309 --> 00:40:30,910
that you need all this? Yeah. Both of

1179
00:40:30,910 --> 00:40:33,170
those things. Okay. So but

1180
00:40:33,789 --> 00:40:36,030
It's an old thing better. Yeah. There's The

1181
00:40:36,030 --> 00:40:37,950
partner, the kids, the neighbors. Yeah. Trying to

1182
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:40,430
Yes. Exactly. Realize you're cool. I think it's

1183
00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:40,910
still

1184
00:40:41,309 --> 00:40:43,635
even though we're a few good few years

1185
00:40:43,635 --> 00:40:45,715
into this, I still think it's early days

1186
00:40:45,715 --> 00:40:48,195
because even though the price price of light

1187
00:40:48,195 --> 00:40:50,114
bulbs to to kit out my house in

1188
00:40:50,114 --> 00:40:53,315
light bulbs is costing hundreds and hundreds of

1189
00:40:53,315 --> 00:40:55,074
dollars. And I'm sorry. I'm just not prepared.

1190
00:40:55,074 --> 00:40:56,295
I don't think it's justified.

1191
00:40:57,730 --> 00:40:59,570
I I do have smart bulbs in certain

1192
00:40:59,570 --> 00:41:01,670
rooms, and and then that's fine, but

1193
00:41:02,289 --> 00:41:04,230
I still think that some of these devices

1194
00:41:04,369 --> 00:41:07,410
are you're you're still paying for that cool

1195
00:41:07,410 --> 00:41:09,489
and wow factor when it comes to smart

1196
00:41:09,489 --> 00:41:11,730
homes. Now there's other areas such as smart

1197
00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:13,510
plugs, smart power strips,

1198
00:41:14,424 --> 00:41:16,505
the smart vacuums even. I mean, the price

1199
00:41:16,505 --> 00:41:19,065
of smart vacuums has really come down, and

1200
00:41:19,065 --> 00:41:21,224
they can be incredibly useful. I was a

1201
00:41:21,224 --> 00:41:22,824
bit dismissive. I thought they were a bit

1202
00:41:22,824 --> 00:41:24,424
of a gimmick, but you know what? I've

1203
00:41:24,424 --> 00:41:26,264
had a Roomba for a while now, and

1204
00:41:26,264 --> 00:41:26,764
it

1205
00:41:27,065 --> 00:41:29,570
it does a really good job. No. Wait.

1206
00:41:29,570 --> 00:41:31,570
No. No. Tell the people. Do you do

1207
00:41:31,570 --> 00:41:33,809
you still have the the googly eye stickers

1208
00:41:33,809 --> 00:41:34,469
on it?

1209
00:41:35,010 --> 00:41:37,170
I do. Yes. Yeah. It's only it's only

1210
00:41:37,170 --> 00:41:39,170
got one. It's lost one along the way.

1211
00:41:39,170 --> 00:41:40,880
I think the dogs Hushy.

1212
00:41:41,375 --> 00:41:43,234
It's a pro wheel. Yes.

1213
00:41:43,934 --> 00:41:45,635
So it's no, a Cyclops

1214
00:41:46,174 --> 00:41:48,434
googly eye, vacuum cleaner. But,

1215
00:41:49,054 --> 00:41:51,534
look, the thing is, it's and it's it's

1216
00:41:51,534 --> 00:41:54,194
the key of why this smart speaker

1217
00:41:54,574 --> 00:41:55,954
tech has become so

1218
00:41:56,780 --> 00:41:59,420
amazingly popular. It's it it it's crossed the

1219
00:41:59,420 --> 00:42:00,320
line. People

1220
00:42:01,019 --> 00:42:03,359
the the the term ambient computing actually

1221
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:06,859
fits, you know, because Mhmm. There was a

1222
00:42:06,859 --> 00:42:09,525
time where any technology is just me, Just

1223
00:42:09,525 --> 00:42:11,125
being the nerd of the house using it.

1224
00:42:11,125 --> 00:42:12,984
And oh, you should use this so much.

1225
00:42:13,204 --> 00:42:13,704
But

1226
00:42:14,164 --> 00:42:16,724
everyone in my family uses a smart speaker,

1227
00:42:16,724 --> 00:42:19,125
you know, sets timers and asks the weather

1228
00:42:19,125 --> 00:42:20,964
and gets whatever how long it takes to

1229
00:42:20,964 --> 00:42:23,125
get to the tram and when the next

1230
00:42:23,125 --> 00:42:25,579
trams coming. And, you know, turn the turn

1231
00:42:25,579 --> 00:42:26,920
the, the the

1232
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:30,039
smart vacuum on, clean the kitchen, clean wherever.

1233
00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:32,440
Everyone uses it. It's not seen

1234
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:34,519
as tech anymore.

1235
00:42:35,059 --> 00:42:37,219
It's just seen as, you know, a tool

1236
00:42:37,219 --> 00:42:39,684
of the house. And for that reason, it's

1237
00:42:39,684 --> 00:42:41,684
absolutely amazing. But when it comes to the

1238
00:42:41,684 --> 00:42:44,164
smart home for me, it's more about the

1239
00:42:44,164 --> 00:42:46,724
smart plugs and the smart power strips. I

1240
00:42:46,965 --> 00:42:48,804
that's where I've started. I think that's where

1241
00:42:48,804 --> 00:42:50,965
most people will start because it it is

1242
00:42:50,965 --> 00:42:54,199
incredibly useful for, like, in this in my

1243
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:56,039
shed here where I do all my recording.

1244
00:42:56,039 --> 00:42:58,599
When I leave here in probably four hours,

1245
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:00,920
if Tim has this way. Yeah. If when

1246
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,000
I leave here My name is not Stephen

1247
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,059
Scott. Sorry, Stephen.

1248
00:43:05,324 --> 00:43:07,405
I will just say, you know, Lady a

1249
00:43:07,405 --> 00:43:09,405
closed down the studio, and it turns off

1250
00:43:09,405 --> 00:43:11,885
my monitors. It turns off my speakers, my

1251
00:43:11,885 --> 00:43:13,184
mixers, my computers.

1252
00:43:13,565 --> 00:43:16,525
It turns everything off, and, I know it's

1253
00:43:16,525 --> 00:43:19,085
off. You know? It's it's so handy. It's

1254
00:43:19,085 --> 00:43:19,585
so

1255
00:43:19,989 --> 00:43:21,369
easy to do. And,

1256
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:22,410
yeah,

1257
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:24,869
I still think we're at the very early

1258
00:43:24,869 --> 00:43:26,550
stages of the smart home, and I think

1259
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:28,309
that things are only gonna get better. When

1260
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:30,329
we start seeing new builds with all these

1261
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:32,950
smart sockets built into the wall and smart

1262
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:35,244
lights and everything, That's where you're gonna see

1263
00:43:35,244 --> 00:43:36,144
it. When you see

1264
00:43:36,684 --> 00:43:38,385
the the the Ironman

1265
00:43:38,684 --> 00:43:40,525
walking into your home and, you know, what's

1266
00:43:40,525 --> 00:43:43,005
his name? Benson or Jensen or whatever is

1267
00:43:43,005 --> 00:43:45,565
the the the computer greets you as you

1268
00:43:45,565 --> 00:43:48,144
walk in and puts the TV on and

1269
00:43:48,204 --> 00:43:49,664
starts the dinner or anything.

1270
00:43:50,219 --> 00:43:52,219
That's the dream that we've all been fed

1271
00:43:52,219 --> 00:43:54,619
on for so long with sci fi movies.

1272
00:43:54,619 --> 00:43:56,539
And I think, you know what? I can

1273
00:43:56,539 --> 00:43:58,139
see it actually in the future. It's not

1274
00:43:58,139 --> 00:44:00,079
that far in front of us anymore.

1275
00:44:00,460 --> 00:44:02,139
I completely agree with that. I think that

1276
00:44:02,139 --> 00:44:03,760
we are to a point where

1277
00:44:04,445 --> 00:44:07,344
talking to these devices is becoming just

1278
00:44:07,644 --> 00:44:08,144
normal

1279
00:44:09,405 --> 00:44:12,045
and the the ability to control everything within

1280
00:44:12,045 --> 00:44:13,485
our house or even outside of our house.

1281
00:44:13,485 --> 00:44:15,565
I know there's actually devices you can put

1282
00:44:15,565 --> 00:44:17,744
inside your mailbox so that when the postman,

1283
00:44:18,369 --> 00:44:19,969
pulls the mailbox, you know, down and back

1284
00:44:19,969 --> 00:44:21,570
up again, put your mail in, it'll alert

1285
00:44:21,570 --> 00:44:22,949
you inside your house.

1286
00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:24,849
Yeah. It shoots it. Yeah. That's it. No.

1287
00:44:24,849 --> 00:44:26,769
It sends the dog after him. Boy, wow.

1288
00:44:26,769 --> 00:44:28,690
It got dark. Wow. Red cone. We don't

1289
00:44:28,690 --> 00:44:30,130
have mailboxes, so we don't know what you're

1290
00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:31,730
talking about. Oh. We have letter boxes in

1291
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:33,485
our door. Our postmen do a proper job.

1292
00:44:33,485 --> 00:44:34,844
They push it to your house. Through your

1293
00:44:34,844 --> 00:44:36,704
front door. Yes. I know. We have those

1294
00:44:37,005 --> 00:44:38,765
two. There are people that have mail slots

1295
00:44:38,765 --> 00:44:40,204
or, you know, mailboxes in their in their

1296
00:44:40,204 --> 00:44:41,265
doors, but Letterbox.

1297
00:44:41,565 --> 00:44:43,505
Yes. Or letter box. Excuse me. Letterboxes.

1298
00:44:43,805 --> 00:44:44,844
Slots. But,

1299
00:44:45,805 --> 00:44:48,320
don't start, priests. But, but you can pick

1300
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,973
him up on math. So, you know, we're

1301
00:44:49,973 --> 00:44:51,219
all Yeah. I know.

1302
00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:52,019
Yeah.

1303
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,920
But, but no. So, I mean, you can

1304
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,360
you can have it do that and have

1305
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,039
sensors in your driveway to tell you, you

1306
00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:58,640
know, if somebody has pulled into your drive

1307
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,840
or, you know, of course, we talked about

1308
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:00,660
the ring doorbells,

1309
00:45:01,265 --> 00:45:02,545
which is funny now because you talk to

1310
00:45:02,545 --> 00:45:04,224
people on the phone or hear somebody on

1311
00:45:04,224 --> 00:45:05,585
the Internet, you know, with audio, you know,

1312
00:45:05,585 --> 00:45:07,664
in their vocal, and you hear their doorbells

1313
00:45:07,664 --> 00:45:09,505
going off. That's like the new the new

1314
00:45:09,505 --> 00:45:11,664
thing, though, is hearing everybody's doorbells going off.

1315
00:45:11,664 --> 00:45:13,664
I mean, you can answer your door from

1316
00:45:13,664 --> 00:45:15,800
another country. You know? Oh, absolutely.

1317
00:45:16,099 --> 00:45:18,019
Yeah. Oh, it's amazing. Right? And you can

1318
00:45:18,019 --> 00:45:19,699
answer your door using your echo, by the

1319
00:45:19,699 --> 00:45:21,300
way. You just say answer front door and

1320
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:22,980
boom. You're talking to your front door. And

1321
00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:25,860
that's another safety, security, and even something, I

1322
00:45:25,860 --> 00:45:28,824
think, for accessibility purposes because, again, what if

1323
00:45:28,824 --> 00:45:30,184
you are somebody who can't get to the

1324
00:45:30,184 --> 00:45:31,785
door very quickly or, you know, in a

1325
00:45:31,785 --> 00:45:34,344
wheelchair or what have you, or you're somebody

1326
00:45:34,344 --> 00:45:36,505
who lives alone or maybe somebody who's older

1327
00:45:36,505 --> 00:45:38,505
that that lives alone and and you're, you

1328
00:45:38,505 --> 00:45:40,265
know, maybe just not sure who, you know,

1329
00:45:40,265 --> 00:45:41,625
who is at my door and you're you

1330
00:45:41,625 --> 00:45:43,019
might be nervous to open the door.

1331
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:45,179
You know, and and so you know, because

1332
00:45:45,179 --> 00:45:46,460
you are alone or or what have you.

1333
00:45:46,460 --> 00:45:48,539
And so you can talk to them whether

1334
00:45:48,539 --> 00:45:50,380
you're even home or not and and make

1335
00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:51,739
it seem like you're home. And so I

1336
00:45:51,739 --> 00:45:53,220
think What do you want? Yeah. What do

1337
00:45:53,220 --> 00:45:54,860
you want? Yeah. Can I yeah? Exactly. When

1338
00:45:54,860 --> 00:45:55,679
do you want it?

1339
00:45:56,460 --> 00:45:58,945
Right. Going back to going back to what

1340
00:45:59,244 --> 00:46:00,364
Sean was saying about,

1341
00:46:01,085 --> 00:46:01,744
you know,

1342
00:46:03,005 --> 00:46:04,445
automatically turning on and off, you know, when

1343
00:46:04,445 --> 00:46:05,485
he leaves the shed and that sort of

1344
00:46:05,485 --> 00:46:06,204
thing. And,

1345
00:46:07,324 --> 00:46:08,945
when I'm last up

1346
00:46:09,244 --> 00:46:10,684
on an evening, I have to go around

1347
00:46:10,684 --> 00:46:12,684
the house using a light detector app to

1348
00:46:12,684 --> 00:46:13,989
see if all the lights are off. But

1349
00:46:13,989 --> 00:46:15,910
you can query that either by asking the

1350
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:17,510
a lady for the status of all your

1351
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:19,829
smart things or checking in the in the

1352
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:21,590
app. So that's really useful as well. Kind

1353
00:46:21,590 --> 00:46:22,570
of peace of mind

1354
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:24,390
to know that the We'll buy some light

1355
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:26,054
bulbs then, Robin. What's the matter with you?

1356
00:46:27,094 --> 00:46:29,675
Going around with you, like, wee willy winky.

1357
00:46:30,135 --> 00:46:32,135
What's the matter with you? Switching lights off

1358
00:46:32,135 --> 00:46:32,875
in his case.

1359
00:46:33,414 --> 00:46:33,914
Unbelievable.

1360
00:46:34,534 --> 00:46:36,614
I've got two smart light bulbs and they're

1361
00:46:36,614 --> 00:46:38,375
still in the box because I haven't decided

1362
00:46:38,375 --> 00:46:40,289
where I'm at. Hold on. I won't admit

1363
00:46:40,289 --> 00:46:41,910
that mine was sent to me by

1364
00:46:42,449 --> 00:46:44,050
a a supplier for a I get a

1365
00:46:44,050 --> 00:46:46,710
lot of free stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1366
00:46:46,849 --> 00:46:47,829
Getting that in there.

1367
00:46:48,130 --> 00:46:51,010
Yeah. So, Lauren, going back to what Sean

1368
00:46:51,010 --> 00:46:53,489
was saying about these power blocks, these smart

1369
00:46:53,489 --> 00:46:53,989
plugs,

1370
00:46:55,014 --> 00:46:56,295
is part of what I wanted to mention.

1371
00:46:56,295 --> 00:46:57,894
So, you know, you don't have to buy

1372
00:46:57,894 --> 00:46:58,875
the smart thing.

1373
00:46:59,255 --> 00:47:01,735
You could actually make a dumb thing smart

1374
00:47:01,735 --> 00:47:03,275
like a table lamp or,

1375
00:47:04,534 --> 00:47:06,295
yeah, a power block with lots of other

1376
00:47:06,295 --> 00:47:07,655
things plugged in that you wanted to make

1377
00:47:07,655 --> 00:47:10,049
sure were powered off overnight, you know, rather

1378
00:47:10,049 --> 00:47:12,069
than sucking what is it called? Vampire

1379
00:47:12,769 --> 00:47:15,509
electricity overnight. Vampire. Everything's on standby.

1380
00:47:15,889 --> 00:47:17,730
That was clever. Okay. Well done. That's good.

1381
00:47:17,730 --> 00:47:20,049
Well done. Thank you. And the other thing

1382
00:47:20,049 --> 00:47:21,190
that I want to do today

1383
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:22,150
is

1384
00:47:24,664 --> 00:47:26,664
if you have something like a TV or

1385
00:47:26,664 --> 00:47:27,324
a VCR,

1386
00:47:27,625 --> 00:47:29,065
that's American by the way, what would we

1387
00:47:29,065 --> 00:47:29,965
call it? A

1388
00:47:30,585 --> 00:47:32,605
a video Video recorder. Recorder.

1389
00:47:33,784 --> 00:47:36,425
Because we speak proper English. Yeah. DVD player

1390
00:47:36,425 --> 00:47:38,125
also. The V and the R in VCR

1391
00:47:38,264 --> 00:47:40,909
is video recorder. But anyway, I know. We

1392
00:47:40,989 --> 00:47:42,510
what what you in such a rush for,

1393
00:47:42,510 --> 00:47:44,989
you Americans. It's the same video cassette recorder

1394
00:47:44,989 --> 00:47:47,150
if you're gonna say it. Yeah. VCR. I

1395
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:48,449
don't know who you think you are.

1396
00:47:48,829 --> 00:47:51,789
We don't believe in, yeah, energy saving here.

1397
00:47:53,150 --> 00:47:53,730
You can

1398
00:47:54,164 --> 00:47:55,364
get something like the,

1399
00:47:55,844 --> 00:47:58,724
Logitech is it Logitech? Harmony Hub? Yep.

1400
00:47:59,525 --> 00:48:00,824
Which is like a programmable

1401
00:48:01,445 --> 00:48:03,864
universal remote control that is ALAD

1402
00:48:04,644 --> 00:48:05,144
enabled.

1403
00:48:05,525 --> 00:48:07,385
So then, you can teach it

1404
00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:10,239
how what you're by using your well, either

1405
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,500
by searching on the Harmony Home Hub app

1406
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:15,839
for your particular, say, VCR model or, you

1407
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:18,179
know, flat screen TV model. Video recorder.

1408
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,440
Yeah. And,

1409
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:20,819
it will automatically

1410
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:23,534
emulate that or you can, if it's not

1411
00:48:23,534 --> 00:48:25,694
in the list, you can point your remote

1412
00:48:25,694 --> 00:48:27,934
control at the thing, at this little Harmony

1413
00:48:27,934 --> 00:48:28,674
Hub thing

1414
00:48:29,454 --> 00:48:31,295
and press a certain button. I think it's

1415
00:48:31,295 --> 00:48:33,054
the play, I can't remember. Then it will

1416
00:48:33,054 --> 00:48:33,554
recognize

1417
00:48:33,934 --> 00:48:34,514
what your

1418
00:48:35,054 --> 00:48:37,469
what that device is, hopefully. And then you

1419
00:48:37,469 --> 00:48:39,309
can control all those things that you would

1420
00:48:39,309 --> 00:48:39,809
otherwise,

1421
00:48:40,590 --> 00:48:42,190
only be able to control with a physical

1422
00:48:42,190 --> 00:48:44,670
remote. And so that's how my sister controls

1423
00:48:44,670 --> 00:48:45,869
her TV, her,

1424
00:48:46,429 --> 00:48:49,070
VCR and stuff like that. So, yeah. That's

1425
00:48:49,070 --> 00:48:51,464
really good. And that's like £60 or something.

1426
00:48:51,464 --> 00:48:52,664
So What I'm trying to figure out is

1427
00:48:52,664 --> 00:48:54,924
all this teasing about Americans and their VCRs,

1428
00:48:55,065 --> 00:48:57,244
and yet you Brits are still using VCRs.

1429
00:48:57,625 --> 00:48:58,204
I mean

1430
00:48:58,744 --> 00:49:00,764
Actually, no. It's the best quality.

1431
00:49:01,304 --> 00:49:03,704
Pass pass up DVD. I mean, are you

1432
00:49:03,704 --> 00:49:05,940
still using laser discs as well? I mean,

1433
00:49:06,819 --> 00:49:08,900
yes. Come into the streaming for heaven's sakes.

1434
00:49:08,900 --> 00:49:10,760
We're we're streaming now in America.

1435
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:12,420
Can I just say when it comes to

1436
00:49:12,420 --> 00:49:14,920
the Harmony node, the app is an accessibility

1437
00:49:15,219 --> 00:49:17,059
nightmare? No. You gotta get someone else to

1438
00:49:17,139 --> 00:49:18,980
You need site assistance. But there is other

1439
00:49:18,980 --> 00:49:20,900
options as well. There are cheaper options. There's

1440
00:49:21,219 --> 00:49:22,775
I believe it's from Broadcom.

1441
00:49:23,315 --> 00:49:25,155
They do IR blasters as well. So what

1442
00:49:25,155 --> 00:49:27,574
you're looking for is a a smart infrared

1443
00:49:27,714 --> 00:49:28,214
blaster.

1444
00:49:28,994 --> 00:49:30,514
So there may be other options out there.

1445
00:49:30,514 --> 00:49:32,034
I haven't looked into this in a in

1446
00:49:32,034 --> 00:49:34,434
a while, but they are particularly handy for

1447
00:49:34,434 --> 00:49:37,130
some, you know, things like fans, for example,

1448
00:49:37,130 --> 00:49:38,349
which may not be

1449
00:49:38,650 --> 00:49:40,569
smart accessible, but you got a little remote

1450
00:49:40,569 --> 00:49:42,730
control with them, then you can control them

1451
00:49:42,730 --> 00:49:45,769
using, you know, like Robin said. Aircon unit,

1452
00:49:45,769 --> 00:49:48,405
maybe? Aircon. Yep. Yeah. And at this point,

1453
00:49:48,405 --> 00:49:50,805
pretty much, the sky's the limit. Anything that

1454
00:49:50,805 --> 00:49:52,805
you have in your house that runs on

1455
00:49:52,805 --> 00:49:53,305
power

1456
00:49:53,765 --> 00:49:55,844
can be made smart. If it's a ceiling

1457
00:49:55,844 --> 00:49:57,525
fan or or, you know, floor fan or

1458
00:49:57,525 --> 00:49:59,765
desk lamp, as you said, you know, you

1459
00:49:59,765 --> 00:50:01,605
know, portable air, you know, those air conditioners

1460
00:50:01,605 --> 00:50:03,500
that you plug in, you know, anything like

1461
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:06,139
that absolutely can be made smart. I mean,

1462
00:50:06,139 --> 00:50:06,880
I've even,

1463
00:50:07,260 --> 00:50:09,099
Amazon had the the answer for this as

1464
00:50:09,099 --> 00:50:10,940
well. You guys remember stuff a couple years

1465
00:50:10,940 --> 00:50:12,940
ago, I got the Amazon Fire Cube, the

1466
00:50:12,940 --> 00:50:13,839
TV Cube.

1467
00:50:14,139 --> 00:50:16,695
And You hated it. No. Well, in the

1468
00:50:16,695 --> 00:50:18,454
beginning, I was frustrated because I was having

1469
00:50:18,454 --> 00:50:19,735
trouble getting it set up. But once I

1470
00:50:19,735 --> 00:50:22,715
kinda figured that all out, it's actually fantastic

1471
00:50:22,934 --> 00:50:23,434
because

1472
00:50:23,894 --> 00:50:24,555
I can

1473
00:50:24,855 --> 00:50:27,195
talking to it, I can control the volume

1474
00:50:27,335 --> 00:50:30,110
of the TV. I can switch between inputs,

1475
00:50:30,110 --> 00:50:31,950
so I can switch between my Apple TV

1476
00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:34,110
or the cable or the actual just, you

1477
00:50:34,110 --> 00:50:36,050
know, the television, the smart TV itself.

1478
00:50:36,590 --> 00:50:38,430
I can change the channel. I I can,

1479
00:50:38,430 --> 00:50:40,269
you know, get information about what's on a

1480
00:50:40,269 --> 00:50:42,924
particular channel and get the program guide. So

1481
00:50:42,924 --> 00:50:44,085
we have so many things that I can

1482
00:50:44,085 --> 00:50:46,265
do just talking to that Fire TV Cube

1483
00:50:46,644 --> 00:50:47,144
that,

1484
00:50:47,445 --> 00:50:50,025
just you talk about opening up, you know,

1485
00:50:50,085 --> 00:50:52,164
something for, you know, someone, you know, trying

1486
00:50:52,164 --> 00:50:54,265
to watch television. I mean, it's it's fantastic

1487
00:50:54,565 --> 00:50:57,019
of what it can do. So, yeah, literally,

1488
00:50:57,079 --> 00:50:58,760
I I I think the the big picture,

1489
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,440
you know, point here is that, as I

1490
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,559
said, anything and everything in your home can

1491
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:05,820
be made accessible, can be made

1492
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:06,699
smart

1493
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:09,000
as it were. And, you know, it it

1494
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,519
it really if especially if you get them

1495
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:12,215
on sale, if you look for the deals,

1496
00:51:12,215 --> 00:51:13,974
you know, Amazon Prime Day or, you know,

1497
00:51:13,974 --> 00:51:16,375
Black Friday or whatever, you can get smart

1498
00:51:16,375 --> 00:51:17,594
plugs for

1499
00:51:18,054 --> 00:51:19,735
very, very little money. You can get Yeah.

1500
00:51:19,735 --> 00:51:22,375
$5. Yeah. $5, $10. Yeah. You know, get

1501
00:51:22,375 --> 00:51:23,974
light bulbs. I think at Prime Day, I

1502
00:51:23,974 --> 00:51:25,914
got two light bulbs for, like, $10.

1503
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:27,579
And they were the multicolored

1504
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,400
you know, they can do different colors and

1505
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,640
things like that. I love those. Used. I

1506
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,559
don't know what it is. Game mode. Yeah.

1507
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:35,880
Exactly. Never use it, but it's gotta be

1508
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,719
an RGB. If they say here's a, you

1509
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,824
know, just just a white smart light bulb,

1510
00:51:39,905 --> 00:51:41,105
Don't want it, mate. I don't want it.

1511
00:51:41,105 --> 00:51:42,464
I want the one that I can turn

1512
00:51:42,464 --> 00:51:44,704
blue, green, or red. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. Yeah.

1513
00:51:44,704 --> 00:51:47,764
I've got two questions for Sean. Sorry, Tim.

1514
00:51:47,824 --> 00:51:49,264
Yeah. So what? Question number one. Wait. What?

1515
00:51:49,264 --> 00:51:51,445
What's this? A pop quiz? What's going on?

1516
00:51:52,224 --> 00:51:52,724
Yes.

1517
00:51:53,730 --> 00:51:56,050
Why replace your lights in your house with

1518
00:51:56,050 --> 00:51:56,869
smart ones

1519
00:51:57,489 --> 00:51:58,630
if you could

1520
00:51:58,929 --> 00:52:00,769
replace it a smart you know, the light

1521
00:52:00,769 --> 00:52:03,349
switch on the wall with a smart switch

1522
00:52:03,409 --> 00:52:05,269
could that could then control all,

1523
00:52:05,570 --> 00:52:07,695
you know, six down lighters or something.

1524
00:52:08,954 --> 00:52:10,635
Yeah. Yeah. You're right. But you're missing you're

1525
00:52:10,635 --> 00:52:12,394
missing a couple of points here, Robin. As

1526
00:52:12,394 --> 00:52:14,954
I just mentioned, look look, thirty seconds ago

1527
00:52:15,355 --> 00:52:16,815
Oh, okay. I want the RGB

1528
00:52:17,114 --> 00:52:17,614
capability.

1529
00:52:17,994 --> 00:52:19,275
I want to if I'm in the mood

1530
00:52:19,275 --> 00:52:21,400
for love, I want to switch the room

1531
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,820
to a a a red tone, for example.

1532
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:27,019
Or if I'm meditating, then a nice green

1533
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:28,619
to calm me down. You see?

1534
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:29,579
RGB.

1535
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,440
Now the other reason is for a,

1536
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,965
changing the light switch, I need to get

1537
00:52:34,965 --> 00:52:37,525
an electrician, a proper man in who can

1538
00:52:37,525 --> 00:52:39,765
do this sort of thing. Whereas, I obviously

1539
00:52:39,765 --> 00:52:42,005
can't. So I just simply unscrew a light

1540
00:52:42,005 --> 00:52:44,085
bulb and screw another one in. That's within

1541
00:52:44,085 --> 00:52:47,065
my talent. That's within my range and ability.

1542
00:52:47,445 --> 00:52:49,489
So, there you go. Is that Oh, brilliant.

1543
00:52:49,650 --> 00:52:50,869
Sufficient? Well, I would

1544
00:52:51,170 --> 00:52:52,929
give that a 10 and a half out

1545
00:52:52,929 --> 00:52:54,929
of 10 for that answer. Thank you. Plus

1546
00:52:55,170 --> 00:52:57,569
Thank you. Especially since long time listeners of

1547
00:52:57,569 --> 00:52:59,969
other shows know what happens when Sean puts

1548
00:52:59,969 --> 00:53:02,869
any of his extremities anywhere near electrical outlets.

1549
00:53:05,025 --> 00:53:07,105
It's scary, especially when you're on the other

1550
00:53:07,105 --> 00:53:08,864
side of that Zoom call when it happens.

1551
00:53:08,864 --> 00:53:09,925
It's very scary.

1552
00:53:10,545 --> 00:53:12,625
I've got a second question. Everything blows up.

1553
00:53:12,625 --> 00:53:15,045
Yes. Go ahead, Ron. Question number two.

1554
00:53:15,425 --> 00:53:15,925
Trams,

1555
00:53:16,889 --> 00:53:18,730
are they in Manchester, have they got like

1556
00:53:18,730 --> 00:53:19,710
a fake noise?

1557
00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:20,750
It

1558
00:53:21,289 --> 00:53:22,670
sounded fake to me.

1559
00:53:23,849 --> 00:53:25,789
No. Why? Why are you saying that?

1560
00:53:26,170 --> 00:53:26,670
Because

1561
00:53:26,969 --> 00:53:29,289
they're electric and they should be silent. But

1562
00:53:29,289 --> 00:53:30,670
they have this kind of artificial

1563
00:53:31,485 --> 00:53:32,785
acceleration and deceleration

1564
00:53:33,085 --> 00:53:35,565
sound, which sounds a bit I don't know

1565
00:53:35,565 --> 00:53:37,724
if that is artificial, but that's a very

1566
00:53:37,724 --> 00:53:40,325
good point. I mean, considering they weigh fifth

1567
00:53:40,525 --> 00:53:42,684
they do they do weigh 50 tons, Robin.

1568
00:53:42,684 --> 00:53:44,605
So there is some sort of friction noise

1569
00:53:44,605 --> 00:53:46,610
there. I have heard that there were some,

1570
00:53:47,010 --> 00:53:49,910
incident have been many many incidences here.

1571
00:53:50,930 --> 00:53:53,010
Where people didn't hear them coming or didn't

1572
00:53:53,010 --> 00:53:55,110
see them or whatever on their phones probably.

1573
00:53:56,289 --> 00:53:58,630
But yeah. Alright. Listeners for listeners. Best chance.

1574
00:53:58,930 --> 00:54:01,414
Listeners to know. I was in Sean's neck

1575
00:54:01,414 --> 00:54:03,014
of the woods the other day. I'm near

1576
00:54:03,014 --> 00:54:04,635
Stone's throwaway, but I disdained

1577
00:54:05,175 --> 00:54:06,155
visiting him.

1578
00:54:06,775 --> 00:54:09,275
Yeah. Disdained. That's what it was. Disdained?

1579
00:54:09,815 --> 00:54:11,775
Why do you thought that is awful? That

1580
00:54:11,974 --> 00:54:13,735
wasn't a word you meant to use, Robin?

1581
00:54:13,735 --> 00:54:14,635
Are you sure?

1582
00:54:15,335 --> 00:54:16,829
Disdained to visit him. I wanted to catch

1583
00:54:16,829 --> 00:54:18,530
him in his, Incredible Hulk,

1584
00:54:19,070 --> 00:54:21,869
trousers, but Well, I'm sorry. You had your

1585
00:54:21,869 --> 00:54:23,489
chance. You missed out.

1586
00:54:23,789 --> 00:54:26,030
Yeah. It's interesting you say that though because

1587
00:54:26,030 --> 00:54:28,349
there is, quite a few electric cars around

1588
00:54:28,349 --> 00:54:30,445
here. And I was caught walking in the

1589
00:54:30,445 --> 00:54:31,724
middle of the road with a car right

1590
00:54:31,724 --> 00:54:33,425
behind me, and I had no idea.

1591
00:54:34,445 --> 00:54:36,284
But he was a lovely fellow and didn't

1592
00:54:36,284 --> 00:54:38,364
beep or anything. It's just I suddenly oh,

1593
00:54:38,364 --> 00:54:40,465
there is a car behind me. Yes.

1594
00:54:40,844 --> 00:54:43,420
Yes. But there is one that makes this

1595
00:54:43,420 --> 00:54:43,920
weird

1596
00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:47,660
noise and it's obviously artificial. It's it's very,

1597
00:54:48,539 --> 00:54:50,059
I don't know. It's it's it's weird but

1598
00:54:50,059 --> 00:54:52,140
it sounds so futuristic and cool. I quite

1599
00:54:52,140 --> 00:54:54,380
like it. I listened to a radio four

1600
00:54:54,380 --> 00:54:54,880
program

1601
00:54:55,215 --> 00:54:58,015
about sound engineering and the future of electric

1602
00:54:58,015 --> 00:54:59,855
vehicles. And, yeah, there's a lot of thought

1603
00:54:59,855 --> 00:55:01,295
that goes into them and they are as

1604
00:55:01,295 --> 00:55:01,875
kind of,

1605
00:55:02,414 --> 00:55:04,575
as much about the brand as the actual

1606
00:55:04,575 --> 00:55:05,934
kind of make of the car. So, you

1607
00:55:05,934 --> 00:55:07,934
know, Porsche and BMW and all of these

1608
00:55:07,934 --> 00:55:08,909
are gonna be having

1609
00:55:09,230 --> 00:55:10,609
distinctive kind of signatures.

1610
00:55:10,989 --> 00:55:11,889
Like a futuristic

1611
00:55:12,349 --> 00:55:14,909
growl. Yes. Yeah. But obviously, it has to

1612
00:55:14,909 --> 00:55:16,349
be simulated because it has to go up

1613
00:55:16,349 --> 00:55:18,510
and down with the acceleration and stuff. I

1614
00:55:18,510 --> 00:55:20,589
thought the tram sounded like that. That's all.

1615
00:55:20,589 --> 00:55:22,190
But yeah. Thanks. Alright. Well, I'm not in

1616
00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:23,684
charge of the trams, Robin. I I What

1617
00:55:23,765 --> 00:55:24,805
can I tell you? I don't know. I'm

1618
00:55:24,805 --> 00:55:27,364
not a tram engineer. But, I'll take the

1619
00:55:27,364 --> 00:55:28,965
exam and I'll get back to you. But

1620
00:55:29,125 --> 00:55:30,805
Yeah. Well, next time you hear one, let

1621
00:55:30,805 --> 00:55:33,545
me know. Feedback in a future show. Okay.

1622
00:55:33,925 --> 00:55:35,684
Yeah. I'm just glad that Robin brought it

1623
00:55:35,684 --> 00:55:37,320
back around again to prove our point, Sean,

1624
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:38,920
when we talk about how posh he is,

1625
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:40,519
and and the first two vehicles he talks

1626
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:43,579
about are are, you know, BMW Porsche. Porsche.

1627
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,559
Yeah. Yeah. That's right. You know? That's how

1628
00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:46,219
he rolls.

1629
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:48,360
I remember a couple years ago, this is

1630
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:49,719
way, way off topic, but I think we've

1631
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,865
already passed that point, Yes. With with this

1632
00:55:51,865 --> 00:55:54,105
conversation. But, I remember when when you guys

1633
00:55:54,105 --> 00:55:54,845
were investigating,

1634
00:55:55,785 --> 00:55:57,385
your your benefits so you can get there

1635
00:55:57,385 --> 00:55:59,485
in The UK and vehicle reimbursement.

1636
00:55:59,945 --> 00:56:02,345
And I believe, if I remember correctly, the

1637
00:56:02,345 --> 00:56:04,605
first couple vehicles Robin was looking at was,

1638
00:56:04,619 --> 00:56:05,760
I can get a BMW.

1639
00:56:06,220 --> 00:56:08,300
I can I really? I could do this.

1640
00:56:08,300 --> 00:56:10,720
Oh, Robin. I do recall that actually, Robin.

1641
00:56:10,780 --> 00:56:12,539
So, you know Robin, what car have you

1642
00:56:12,539 --> 00:56:13,039
got?

1643
00:56:13,340 --> 00:56:16,140
We had we had, for the longest time,

1644
00:56:16,140 --> 00:56:17,680
an UGA five.

1645
00:56:18,835 --> 00:56:20,135
Oh, right. Okay. Which

1646
00:56:20,434 --> 00:56:22,434
a very long time ago, when we first

1647
00:56:22,434 --> 00:56:24,275
bought it, half price because it was a

1648
00:56:24,275 --> 00:56:26,434
couple years old, it was a Peugeot five

1649
00:56:26,434 --> 00:56:27,335
double o eight.

1650
00:56:27,715 --> 00:56:30,055
Massive seven seater with a big boot space.

1651
00:56:30,195 --> 00:56:32,309
But then the letters kept on dropping off.

1652
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:34,949
And it's a good one while. It was

1653
00:56:34,949 --> 00:56:36,630
an UGA five. It's where I'm at. At

1654
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:37,670
this time in my life, I have a

1655
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:39,050
big boot space as well.

1656
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:43,430
Now it's a completely anonymous. It's like a

1657
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:44,329
stealth car.

1658
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:45,769
Have you not updated?

1659
00:56:46,614 --> 00:56:48,375
No. Are we are we We're gonna drive

1660
00:56:48,375 --> 00:56:50,394
you guys really talking about cars.

1661
00:56:50,855 --> 00:56:52,775
Yeah. And I still need a seven seater

1662
00:56:52,775 --> 00:56:54,215
from time to time. But, yeah, at one

1663
00:56:54,215 --> 00:56:56,215
point, we'll just go with the I don't

1664
00:56:56,215 --> 00:56:58,635
know what what's a Ferrari electric one

1665
00:56:59,150 --> 00:57:01,230
with gold gold knobs. That's what I'll go

1666
00:57:01,230 --> 00:57:01,730
for.

1667
00:57:02,110 --> 00:57:04,030
Gold knobs. There we go. There's the episode

1668
00:57:04,030 --> 00:57:05,430
as well. Well, thank you. I think I

1669
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:07,570
think we're done. Note, I think we're finished.

1670
00:57:08,030 --> 00:57:09,090
Wow. Okay.

1671
00:57:09,390 --> 00:57:11,309
So I didn't lose control as badly as

1672
00:57:11,309 --> 00:57:13,005
I, feared that I might.

1673
00:57:13,324 --> 00:57:15,565
Excellent job. All the way. We Ending on

1674
00:57:15,565 --> 00:57:16,704
that start. Start.

1675
00:57:17,565 --> 00:57:19,644
Yes. Exactly. So no. I I Good luck

1676
00:57:19,644 --> 00:57:21,804
when Steven's on. Yeah. Well, that's the thing,

1677
00:57:21,804 --> 00:57:23,565
isn't it? I'm already being teased on the

1678
00:57:23,565 --> 00:57:26,049
Internet and getting emails saying, so how are

1679
00:57:26,049 --> 00:57:27,730
you gonna do that when Steven's on the

1680
00:57:27,730 --> 00:57:29,250
show? What what's that gonna be like? I'm

1681
00:57:29,250 --> 00:57:31,969
like, I don't know. But, I've done it

1682
00:57:31,969 --> 00:57:34,049
before. I have hosted a show with Steven

1683
00:57:34,049 --> 00:57:35,029
as a guest before.

1684
00:57:35,650 --> 00:57:37,170
Excuse me. But it has been a while,

1685
00:57:37,170 --> 00:57:39,010
so we'll we'll see how that goes when

1686
00:57:39,010 --> 00:57:41,715
he is available. Because right now, he is

1687
00:57:41,954 --> 00:57:44,035
he is, like, neck deep in in stuff

1688
00:57:44,035 --> 00:57:45,635
at AMI audio, I think, right now and,

1689
00:57:45,795 --> 00:57:48,215
trying to get things going with He's juggling.

1690
00:57:48,515 --> 00:57:50,114
All kinds of shows and things. So we'll

1691
00:57:50,114 --> 00:57:51,875
talk about that whenever we can get him

1692
00:57:51,875 --> 00:57:53,394
on the show. And Sally Clay too. Shout

1693
00:57:53,394 --> 00:57:55,429
out to Sally Clay. She's gonna be doing

1694
00:57:55,429 --> 00:57:57,190
a master's program and,

1695
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:59,989
is is gonna be at uni and, as

1696
00:57:59,989 --> 00:58:00,969
she says, and,

1697
00:58:01,670 --> 00:58:03,909
going to be, yeah. She's gonna be busy.

1698
00:58:03,909 --> 00:58:05,509
What are you saying? That's what it's called.

1699
00:58:05,509 --> 00:58:06,789
Well, that it's well, I mean What do

1700
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:08,150
you call it? As she says, because she

1701
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:10,135
said it. Well, I mean, I call it

1702
00:58:10,135 --> 00:58:13,174
uni or university or Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.

1703
00:58:13,174 --> 00:58:15,094
No. Let's let's let's nail this down. Oh,

1704
00:58:15,094 --> 00:58:17,414
no. In America I'm trying to uni this

1705
00:58:17,414 --> 00:58:19,594
thing. Yes. I know. Do you call it

1706
00:58:19,734 --> 00:58:20,234
university

1707
00:58:20,534 --> 00:58:22,534
or do you do you ever use the

1708
00:58:22,534 --> 00:58:24,074
shortening of uni?

1709
00:58:26,410 --> 00:58:27,306
Now the question is

1710
00:58:27,882 --> 00:58:28,910
Tim. Don't lie.

1711
00:58:29,769 --> 00:58:30,269
Now,

1712
00:58:30,730 --> 00:58:32,489
see, I'm of two minds of this, and

1713
00:58:32,489 --> 00:58:34,250
you guys know this because it's a pet

1714
00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:35,309
peeve of mine that

1715
00:58:35,610 --> 00:58:36,349
some Americans

1716
00:58:36,650 --> 00:58:36,969
aren't,

1717
00:58:37,974 --> 00:58:40,855
familiar with certain terminologies from other countries. And

1718
00:58:40,855 --> 00:58:42,295
and you guys know I I try to

1719
00:58:42,295 --> 00:58:42,795
be,

1720
00:58:43,255 --> 00:58:45,815
somebody who's aware of of things. So I

1721
00:58:45,815 --> 00:58:48,375
have said it personally a few times just

1722
00:58:48,375 --> 00:58:49,114
saying it.

1723
00:58:49,414 --> 00:58:51,094
But, generally, is it said

1724
00:58:51,815 --> 00:58:53,519
No. It's not. He's doing it for us,

1725
00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:56,480
Sean. No. Yeah. Thank you. Sean can tell

1726
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,640
you. I was like that before you people,

1727
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,960
actually. I I what most of the shows

1728
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,599
I people. That's it. I'm off. That's it.

1729
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:05,039
Wow. See what you've done to me? Now

1730
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:06,559
you're you're turning me into Steven is what

1731
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:08,394
it is. Now I know how Steven

1732
00:59:09,014 --> 00:59:10,954
gets the way he feels sometimes. No.

1733
00:59:12,375 --> 00:59:12,875
Jeez.

1734
00:59:13,494 --> 00:59:15,335
No. But well, you know what? Never mind.

1735
00:59:15,335 --> 00:59:17,014
We're just gonna end it right there. Yeah.

1736
00:59:17,175 --> 00:59:18,775
Before I get in any kind of trouble

1737
00:59:18,775 --> 00:59:19,835
that you guys cause.

1738
00:59:20,215 --> 00:59:20,715
Anyway,

1739
00:59:21,699 --> 00:59:23,140
I think I'd like to thank you both

1740
00:59:23,140 --> 00:59:24,420
for being on the show. I I I

1741
00:59:24,420 --> 00:59:25,940
think I do. Yeah. I do. I I'll

1742
00:59:25,940 --> 00:59:27,460
thank you for being on the show. Thank

1743
00:59:27,460 --> 00:59:29,000
you, Tim. It was a pleasure.

1744
00:59:30,099 --> 00:59:30,599
Fantastic.

1745
00:59:31,059 --> 00:59:32,739
If anybody so much. Oh, I appreciate it.

1746
00:59:32,739 --> 00:59:34,420
Thank you guys for being here again. And

1747
00:59:34,420 --> 00:59:36,465
if anybody hasn't already, go check out Double

1748
00:59:36,465 --> 00:59:39,425
Tap. Go check out the echoshow..dot,

1749
00:59:39,425 --> 00:59:40,485
Sean of the Shed.

1750
00:59:40,864 --> 00:59:43,525
My gosh. I'm accessible to round table.

1751
00:59:43,905 --> 00:59:45,364
The the the random,

1752
00:59:47,105 --> 00:59:48,865
audio pieces. We are? I mean, yeah, where

1753
00:59:48,945 --> 00:59:51,880
wherever you can find us, just find us.

1754
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:54,019
If I if I can list them all,

1755
00:59:54,019 --> 00:59:54,900
I'll try to put them all in the

1756
00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:56,119
show notes. We'll see.

1757
00:59:56,500 --> 00:59:58,180
Oh, that reminds me. Sorry. Shaun of the

1758
00:59:58,180 --> 01:00:00,199
Shed, you'll find under the name AMI

1759
01:00:00,579 --> 01:00:01,079
Accessible,

1760
01:00:01,860 --> 01:00:03,164
Audio, I think.

1761
01:00:03,644 --> 01:00:07,005
AMI Exclusives. Accessible. Exclusives. Thank you. Thank you.

1762
01:00:07,005 --> 01:00:08,545
Sorry. Thank you. Yes.

1763
01:00:08,925 --> 01:00:09,824
Edit point.

1764
01:00:11,085 --> 01:00:13,005
Or not. Maybe maybe I'll leave that in.

1765
01:00:13,005 --> 01:00:13,405
But,

1766
01:00:13,965 --> 01:00:15,644
yes. But, anyway, no. But, yeah, thank you

1767
01:00:15,644 --> 01:00:17,804
guys so much. And, definitely, everybody out there

1768
01:00:17,804 --> 01:00:19,539
listening, try to find these guys wherever you

1769
01:00:19,539 --> 01:00:20,760
can. You'll definitely,

1770
01:00:21,460 --> 01:00:23,819
you know, feel better for it, and, you'll

1771
01:00:23,819 --> 01:00:26,099
you'll Well, no guarantees. You'll get a lot

1772
01:00:26,099 --> 01:00:28,500
out of it. But, no. Thanks again, guys,

1773
01:00:28,500 --> 01:00:30,260
for being here, and I look forward to

1774
01:00:30,260 --> 01:00:31,400
getting us all back together

1775
01:00:31,859 --> 01:00:33,319
again in the future.

1776
01:00:33,699 --> 01:00:37,355
Thanks, Tim. Gorgeous Tim. Thank you. Bye. Where's

1777
01:00:37,355 --> 01:00:39,534
the actual music? Play it. Hit the button.

1778
01:00:39,594 --> 01:00:40,894
No. I'm I'm not no.

1779
01:00:41,275 --> 01:00:42,175
First of all.