1 00:00:06,573 --> 00:00:08,963 Alright. Today, I'm talking to Tammy Scott, Emmy 2 00:00:08,963 --> 00:00:11,689 and I met as money coaches at Capital 3 00:00:11,849 --> 00:00:12,349 1 4 00:00:12,886 --> 00:00:13,386 in 5 00:00:14,321 --> 00:00:16,076 I think it was a long time ago, 6 00:00:16,235 --> 00:00:18,171 2019 or so. So 7 00:00:18,548 --> 00:00:21,758 Tammy is is currently doing... Well she'll I'll 8 00:00:21,758 --> 00:00:22,796 let her explain in her own words, 9 00:00:23,596 --> 00:00:24,714 a sort of job search, 10 00:00:25,354 --> 00:00:27,192 and she sent me a newsletter the other 11 00:00:27,192 --> 00:00:28,870 day that totally caught my attention, and I 12 00:00:28,870 --> 00:00:30,557 wanted to talk about it because I thought 13 00:00:30,557 --> 00:00:32,546 that it could help other people that are 14 00:00:32,546 --> 00:00:33,977 looking for jobs, and we'll probably get to 15 00:00:33,977 --> 00:00:35,170 that in a little bit. But before we 16 00:00:35,170 --> 00:00:37,929 do, Tammy, good to see you today for 17 00:00:38,130 --> 00:00:39,490 Yeah. It's good to see you too, John. 18 00:00:39,649 --> 00:00:41,729 And it was 20 18 that we started 19 00:00:41,969 --> 00:00:43,810 with Capital 1 together. Wow. 20 00:00:44,850 --> 00:00:47,030 I know. And you were in Southern California. 21 00:00:47,822 --> 00:00:50,209 I was in why still in in Oregon. 22 00:00:50,766 --> 00:00:52,357 And where do you find yourself today? 23 00:00:53,152 --> 00:00:55,777 I find myself up in the Pacific Northwest. 24 00:00:56,428 --> 00:00:58,990 At just north of you in Washington state 25 00:00:59,045 --> 00:01:00,709 in the Greater Seattle area. 26 00:01:01,819 --> 00:01:04,454 And tell... Said a little background like, Who 27 00:01:04,454 --> 00:01:06,132 are you? What do are you up to? 28 00:01:07,011 --> 00:01:08,769 Why did you send me this newsletter? 29 00:01:10,687 --> 00:01:12,845 Oh, big questions that you're asking. It's great. 30 00:01:13,819 --> 00:01:16,956 So, yeah. So I've been I've been coaching 31 00:01:17,495 --> 00:01:18,294 really since... 32 00:01:19,013 --> 00:01:20,313 I finished my coaching 33 00:01:20,692 --> 00:01:22,370 certification back in 2005. 34 00:01:22,784 --> 00:01:25,007 But I knew nothing about building a coaching 35 00:01:25,007 --> 00:01:26,992 practice at that time. So I I did 36 00:01:26,992 --> 00:01:29,215 my best, and I just kept my foot 37 00:01:29,215 --> 00:01:31,771 in the... Kept my... Feed 1 foot in 38 00:01:31,771 --> 00:01:34,153 the water and coaching and then went on 39 00:01:34,153 --> 00:01:34,653 to 40 00:01:35,106 --> 00:01:37,805 work at other jobs in in corporate America, 41 00:01:38,043 --> 00:01:38,495 and 42 00:01:39,173 --> 00:01:42,206 other nonprofit organizations over the many years. And 43 00:01:42,206 --> 00:01:43,025 then after 44 00:01:43,483 --> 00:01:46,277 Capital 1, so that was focused more on 45 00:01:46,277 --> 00:01:46,995 money coaching, 46 00:01:47,887 --> 00:01:50,356 although, you know, it included a lot of 47 00:01:50,356 --> 00:01:52,826 their lives besides money as you know. 48 00:01:53,622 --> 00:01:56,545 And I got into... I started 49 00:01:56,984 --> 00:02:01,465 doing more executive coaching, and I love executive 50 00:02:01,465 --> 00:02:03,465 coaching. I love working with leaders, 51 00:02:04,185 --> 00:02:04,685 and 52 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:07,868 So that just morph into doing a lot 53 00:02:07,868 --> 00:02:10,657 of collaborating with some, other coaches, 54 00:02:11,214 --> 00:02:12,272 doing some 55 00:02:12,743 --> 00:02:15,710 training in, like, leadership training in 56 00:02:16,483 --> 00:02:17,836 a few different companies, 57 00:02:18,314 --> 00:02:18,814 pharmaceutical, 58 00:02:19,348 --> 00:02:21,418 and also in the health care industry. 59 00:02:22,309 --> 00:02:22,809 And 60 00:02:23,985 --> 00:02:24,783 this year, 61 00:02:25,341 --> 00:02:28,714 I I was thinking I really miss working 62 00:02:28,852 --> 00:02:29,650 with a team. 63 00:02:30,224 --> 00:02:32,382 So I thought, I think I wanna get 64 00:02:32,382 --> 00:02:33,361 back to 65 00:02:33,900 --> 00:02:36,776 maybe a job as a coach, in... Like 66 00:02:36,776 --> 00:02:38,430 as an internal in 67 00:02:39,026 --> 00:02:40,243 internal in in an 68 00:02:40,698 --> 00:02:40,937 organization. 69 00:02:41,732 --> 00:02:45,314 So I hired a career coach, somebody I 70 00:02:45,314 --> 00:02:45,553 know. 71 00:02:46,442 --> 00:02:46,942 And, 72 00:02:47,474 --> 00:02:48,451 started on that 73 00:02:48,824 --> 00:02:49,959 exploration, and 74 00:02:50,332 --> 00:02:53,214 it's been very re... It's a very revealing 75 00:02:54,239 --> 00:02:54,739 process. 76 00:02:55,116 --> 00:02:55,914 It's been great. 77 00:02:57,190 --> 00:02:57,929 And the 78 00:02:58,306 --> 00:03:01,279 at the networking email that I sent you 79 00:03:01,417 --> 00:03:03,592 was part of the process of 80 00:03:04,223 --> 00:03:05,678 of sending out 81 00:03:06,133 --> 00:03:08,521 an email that says, here's what I'm up 82 00:03:08,521 --> 00:03:11,863 to. Here's why you're getting this email because 83 00:03:11,943 --> 00:03:13,788 I trust you. III... 84 00:03:14,027 --> 00:03:16,334 Your... What... You're part of my support system. 85 00:03:17,129 --> 00:03:19,754 And and then it... I... What I did 86 00:03:19,754 --> 00:03:22,322 is as part of the email is 87 00:03:22,632 --> 00:03:26,284 is also include, you know, companies I'm applying 88 00:03:26,284 --> 00:03:28,428 to, what I'm up to? What how can 89 00:03:28,428 --> 00:03:30,118 you help me? And then 90 00:03:30,508 --> 00:03:32,582 How can I help you? So it's a 91 00:03:32,582 --> 00:03:33,880 very generative 92 00:03:35,134 --> 00:03:37,926 kind of an email to keep the energy 93 00:03:37,926 --> 00:03:39,840 of the whole process moving forward. 94 00:03:40,493 --> 00:03:41,686 So what was most revealing? 95 00:03:43,278 --> 00:03:45,824 What was mo... In in terms of the... 96 00:03:46,222 --> 00:03:47,575 What you were said, you you saw sought 97 00:03:47,575 --> 00:03:48,848 you set out to work with this career 98 00:03:48,848 --> 00:03:51,095 coach in the process has been very revealing. 99 00:03:51,574 --> 00:03:54,547 Oh, yeah. So it it really helps to 100 00:03:54,765 --> 00:03:57,574 start looking at, like, what what do I 101 00:03:57,574 --> 00:03:58,055 value? 102 00:03:58,375 --> 00:04:00,055 Where am I at today? 103 00:04:00,854 --> 00:04:01,354 Because 104 00:04:01,895 --> 00:04:04,474 we all evolve right over our career 105 00:04:04,868 --> 00:04:07,260 process. Like, our whole career journey. I mean, 106 00:04:07,420 --> 00:04:09,174 you think about who we were at 20, 107 00:04:09,652 --> 00:04:11,486 30, 40, depending on what age you're at. 108 00:04:11,725 --> 00:04:13,294 I'm in the... I'm in the next 109 00:04:13,812 --> 00:04:15,880 decade. I was wondering if you're gonna say. 110 00:04:17,391 --> 00:04:19,005 Yes. I'm in the next decade 111 00:04:19,380 --> 00:04:19,880 on 112 00:04:20,429 --> 00:04:22,810 Yes. And so who I am today is 113 00:04:22,810 --> 00:04:26,383 very different than who I was even 5 114 00:04:26,383 --> 00:04:27,756 years ago. And 115 00:04:28,464 --> 00:04:31,736 So this process has been helpful to uncover, 116 00:04:31,896 --> 00:04:34,051 like, you know, what's important to me? How... 117 00:04:34,370 --> 00:04:36,446 Like, what kind of workday? Who do I 118 00:04:36,446 --> 00:04:38,557 wanna work with? What kind of culture 119 00:04:38,934 --> 00:04:41,488 do I see myself working in? Do I 120 00:04:41,488 --> 00:04:44,461 wanna do I wanna have direct reports and 121 00:04:44,854 --> 00:04:46,608 and be in that kind of leadership? 122 00:04:47,406 --> 00:04:49,820 Or do I want to be a solo 123 00:04:50,277 --> 00:04:52,589 inside of an organization. You know, all those 124 00:04:52,589 --> 00:04:55,740 questions and and it's just been very clarifying. 125 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,000 But something's surprising you've learned. 126 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,446 I think what came to to light in 127 00:05:02,446 --> 00:05:04,273 this process, and it... I don't know if 128 00:05:04,273 --> 00:05:06,124 it was completely surprising 129 00:05:06,498 --> 00:05:10,867 is how much I enjoy collaborating with others. 130 00:05:11,755 --> 00:05:14,690 And I think that's what I most have 131 00:05:14,690 --> 00:05:17,785 missed in being in having my own coaching 132 00:05:17,785 --> 00:05:18,285 business 133 00:05:18,753 --> 00:05:20,742 And even though I have clients that I'm 134 00:05:20,742 --> 00:05:22,833 working with, and I I certainly 135 00:05:23,287 --> 00:05:24,719 network with other coaches, 136 00:05:25,515 --> 00:05:26,969 and there's something 137 00:05:27,518 --> 00:05:30,530 like, for me, that's really fun about about 138 00:05:30,530 --> 00:05:31,030 collaborating 139 00:05:31,482 --> 00:05:34,519 and creating together and generating 140 00:05:35,223 --> 00:05:37,760 something together, like, I love that process. 141 00:05:39,108 --> 00:05:40,377 So when you trained as a coach in 142 00:05:40,377 --> 00:05:41,487 2005, 143 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:42,780 where 144 00:05:43,886 --> 00:05:45,877 what type of collaborations were you doing then? 145 00:05:46,674 --> 00:05:48,369 I don't think I was doing 146 00:05:48,746 --> 00:05:49,246 any 147 00:05:50,180 --> 00:05:53,300 collaboration at that time. I mean, I I 148 00:05:53,300 --> 00:05:54,755 finished the whole coaching 149 00:05:55,368 --> 00:05:56,186 certification process. 150 00:05:56,879 --> 00:05:57,777 I graduated. 151 00:05:58,151 --> 00:05:59,129 I got certified, 152 00:06:01,188 --> 00:06:02,323 then I 153 00:06:02,697 --> 00:06:05,103 happened to be involved in some different 154 00:06:05,635 --> 00:06:06,588 groups of, 155 00:06:07,779 --> 00:06:10,105 you know, workshops that I I did 156 00:06:10,493 --> 00:06:13,189 and participated in or volunteer work that I 157 00:06:13,189 --> 00:06:15,646 did, and and so I would meet people 158 00:06:15,646 --> 00:06:16,939 and and then 159 00:06:17,470 --> 00:06:20,109 we would there maybe somebody was looking for 160 00:06:20,109 --> 00:06:22,257 coaching or we would have a conversation it 161 00:06:22,257 --> 00:06:23,075 led to 162 00:06:23,928 --> 00:06:25,542 having a a coaching 163 00:06:25,917 --> 00:06:26,554 relationship together. 164 00:06:28,478 --> 00:06:31,660 It was more at that time, it was 165 00:06:31,660 --> 00:06:34,625 more... Like, I hope I'm gonna get another 166 00:06:34,682 --> 00:06:35,159 client. 167 00:06:36,770 --> 00:06:39,410 But it... I didn't have any... I didn't 168 00:06:39,410 --> 00:06:40,550 have that 169 00:06:41,650 --> 00:06:42,629 that structure 170 00:06:43,009 --> 00:06:46,376 to or or anything... Any understanding of what 171 00:06:46,376 --> 00:06:49,645 it actually takes to build a coaching practice 172 00:06:50,283 --> 00:06:51,160 as a business. 173 00:06:53,249 --> 00:06:55,486 And so III thought if I keep going... 174 00:06:56,046 --> 00:06:57,804 When I was doing it back then, I 175 00:06:57,804 --> 00:06:59,562 thought if I keep going the way I'm 176 00:06:59,562 --> 00:07:01,420 going, I'm probably gonna be 177 00:07:02,294 --> 00:07:04,454 on the on a street pretty soon. 178 00:07:06,454 --> 00:07:07,495 Now I have in the back of my 179 00:07:07,495 --> 00:07:09,334 mind, you worked at Nordstrom. Is that right? 180 00:07:10,068 --> 00:07:12,142 I did. And you love that job for 181 00:07:12,142 --> 00:07:12,621 some reason. 182 00:07:13,339 --> 00:07:15,912 I did. I... And this was after 183 00:07:16,290 --> 00:07:18,603 getting my coaching certification, So I think I 184 00:07:18,603 --> 00:07:20,851 started in Nord from maybe a few years 185 00:07:20,851 --> 00:07:21,171 later. 186 00:07:21,729 --> 00:07:22,846 III 187 00:07:22,846 --> 00:07:25,102 was only gonna go work at Nordstrom 188 00:07:25,479 --> 00:07:27,256 for a few months 189 00:07:27,569 --> 00:07:30,841 but I thought, well, it's commissioned to great 190 00:07:30,841 --> 00:07:31,320 company. 191 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:34,034 I can sell shoes. I can make good 192 00:07:34,034 --> 00:07:37,085 some good money while I'm figuring out what's 193 00:07:37,085 --> 00:07:37,485 next. 194 00:07:38,365 --> 00:07:38,865 And 195 00:07:39,245 --> 00:07:40,925 I loved it so much. I ended up 196 00:07:40,925 --> 00:07:43,085 staying there for 5 and a half years. 197 00:07:43,485 --> 00:07:45,345 And I found that 198 00:07:45,818 --> 00:07:48,145 everything I'd learned in my coaching 199 00:07:48,757 --> 00:07:51,459 school, and I also did before that I 200 00:07:51,459 --> 00:07:53,548 did a master's in spiritual psychology, 201 00:07:54,652 --> 00:07:56,183 everything that I had learned 202 00:07:56,952 --> 00:07:58,619 in in both of those programs, 203 00:07:59,015 --> 00:08:00,309 I I really 204 00:08:01,078 --> 00:08:02,689 it helped me in 205 00:08:03,077 --> 00:08:04,372 relating to my customers 206 00:08:05,940 --> 00:08:08,166 at Nordstrom. And so I built up quite 207 00:08:08,166 --> 00:08:09,677 AAA 208 00:08:09,677 --> 00:08:10,177 customer 209 00:08:11,124 --> 00:08:13,282 following, I guess is 1 word way to 210 00:08:13,282 --> 00:08:15,359 put it. So I had quite a a 211 00:08:15,359 --> 00:08:19,089 customer list that I would call on a 212 00:08:19,528 --> 00:08:21,121 you know, on the special occasion, 213 00:08:22,555 --> 00:08:24,967 and and it was something about 214 00:08:25,821 --> 00:08:28,504 how I related to them and how I 215 00:08:28,704 --> 00:08:30,480 that would level of listening 216 00:08:31,337 --> 00:08:31,837 that 217 00:08:32,294 --> 00:08:33,592 I had with them 218 00:08:34,288 --> 00:08:35,187 that really 219 00:08:36,215 --> 00:08:38,302 enhanced our our our 220 00:08:39,072 --> 00:08:41,294 relationship, you know, them as my as my 221 00:08:41,294 --> 00:08:41,770 customer. 222 00:08:42,564 --> 00:08:44,254 And and so that 223 00:08:44,803 --> 00:08:47,435 that really was very fulfilling, And I I 224 00:08:47,435 --> 00:08:50,386 also loved selling shoes. Like, there was just 225 00:08:50,386 --> 00:08:52,539 something, you know, when I put a shoe 226 00:08:52,539 --> 00:08:54,389 on somebody and it has the right fit 227 00:08:54,389 --> 00:08:55,909 and the feel and the look that they're 228 00:08:55,909 --> 00:08:58,070 looking for. It's like the whole... It's like 229 00:08:58,070 --> 00:09:00,709 they're whole being lights up. It's, you know, 230 00:09:00,950 --> 00:09:03,997 similar to a coaching experience like, when something 231 00:09:03,997 --> 00:09:05,030 lands for somebody, 232 00:09:05,666 --> 00:09:07,732 and they have this insight, and you can 233 00:09:07,732 --> 00:09:08,924 see it in their whole being, 234 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:10,139 then 235 00:09:11,006 --> 00:09:12,996 like, you know that there's a an, a, 236 00:09:13,235 --> 00:09:14,987 a special note has been sounded. 237 00:09:15,624 --> 00:09:17,534 And you would see that fitting people for 238 00:09:17,534 --> 00:09:17,853 shoes. 239 00:09:18,904 --> 00:09:19,464 I did. 240 00:09:20,825 --> 00:09:23,544 So beautiful. Did. And and I I also 241 00:09:23,544 --> 00:09:23,865 had a, 242 00:09:24,825 --> 00:09:27,485 this an acceptance for people, women 243 00:09:28,038 --> 00:09:29,234 and I don't know if it... How it 244 00:09:29,234 --> 00:09:31,466 is for you as a man. But for 245 00:09:31,466 --> 00:09:31,785 women... 246 00:09:32,822 --> 00:09:34,655 And maybe it's because of the... All the 247 00:09:34,655 --> 00:09:37,544 different shoes that are out there, You know, 248 00:09:37,625 --> 00:09:41,465 the shoe styles and and styles of sandals 249 00:09:41,465 --> 00:09:42,105 and so forth. 250 00:09:42,665 --> 00:09:45,720 And so many women were so self conscious 251 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,480 of their feet, and especially if they had 252 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,559 problem feet if they had bun or, you 253 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,579 know, anything anything that 254 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:53,740 that was 255 00:09:55,092 --> 00:09:57,885 an issue for in their mind. And I 256 00:09:58,125 --> 00:09:58,683 I really... 257 00:09:59,402 --> 00:10:02,296 I think I provided a a really accepting 258 00:10:02,529 --> 00:10:05,000 space, like, I wasn't there to judge their 259 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,948 feet, and I really made their feet okay 260 00:10:07,948 --> 00:10:09,941 and that there's a shoe for their feet. 261 00:10:10,354 --> 00:10:12,582 No matter what they're... What they think. 262 00:10:14,890 --> 00:10:16,584 I went some of the other things from 263 00:10:16,641 --> 00:10:17,380 spiritual psychology. 264 00:10:18,250 --> 00:10:20,089 That map did your job there? 265 00:10:21,689 --> 00:10:24,990 There were principles and practices that we learned 266 00:10:25,304 --> 00:10:27,144 at the... And this was at the university 267 00:10:27,144 --> 00:10:28,125 of Santa Monica 268 00:10:28,745 --> 00:10:30,745 for anybody who might be familiar with that 269 00:10:30,745 --> 00:10:31,144 program. 270 00:10:31,865 --> 00:10:32,365 And 271 00:10:32,998 --> 00:10:35,464 1 of the... 1 of the principles was 272 00:10:35,464 --> 00:10:37,317 to see the loving essence 273 00:10:38,169 --> 00:10:39,863 and to put that into just 274 00:10:40,174 --> 00:10:40,674 regular, 275 00:10:42,165 --> 00:10:44,816 non spiritual terms is really to 276 00:10:45,352 --> 00:10:48,538 see the essence of somebody, like, see the 277 00:10:48,538 --> 00:10:49,389 best in 278 00:10:49,987 --> 00:10:50,306 everybody. 279 00:10:51,102 --> 00:10:53,413 Like, you know, whether we go... And sometimes 280 00:10:53,572 --> 00:10:54,927 I just practice that when I go to 281 00:10:54,927 --> 00:10:56,998 the grocery store, and I just walk around 282 00:10:56,998 --> 00:10:58,932 and I just... I'd look for the best 283 00:10:59,324 --> 00:11:02,035 in everybody. Like, we all have it. It's 284 00:11:02,035 --> 00:11:03,631 it's not exclusive. 285 00:11:04,588 --> 00:11:06,204 And I think that 286 00:11:06,981 --> 00:11:08,916 I think that that was 287 00:11:09,947 --> 00:11:12,282 like it's... Just 1 of the foundational principles. 288 00:11:12,740 --> 00:11:14,734 I think that really served me when I 289 00:11:14,734 --> 00:11:15,452 was working there. 290 00:11:16,743 --> 00:11:18,094 Wow. I wanna come buy a pair of 291 00:11:18,094 --> 00:11:18,650 shoes now. 292 00:11:21,671 --> 00:11:23,658 Yes. Yes. So if I no longer there, 293 00:11:23,817 --> 00:11:25,700 and that, you know, in the company, the 294 00:11:26,375 --> 00:11:28,545 Nordstrom, And this speaks to 295 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:32,201 really, like, the job search, like, the values 296 00:11:32,735 --> 00:11:35,063 that Nordstrom and their mission 297 00:11:35,374 --> 00:11:38,184 their and their their corporate values 298 00:11:38,879 --> 00:11:41,668 really matched up with my values. And I 299 00:11:41,668 --> 00:11:43,978 don't ask me to say exactly what their 300 00:11:43,978 --> 00:11:44,478 values 301 00:11:45,269 --> 00:11:47,184 are you could go on their website. But 302 00:11:47,184 --> 00:11:48,222 at that time, 303 00:11:48,701 --> 00:11:51,095 it was such a clear match for me. 304 00:11:51,335 --> 00:11:53,112 So it just felt 305 00:11:53,903 --> 00:11:55,814 like, an extension of me in a way 306 00:11:55,814 --> 00:11:56,928 to be working there. 307 00:11:58,122 --> 00:12:00,112 And when you say values for people that 308 00:12:00,112 --> 00:12:02,659 are aren't familiar with personal values or well, 309 00:12:02,738 --> 00:12:03,477 how do you 310 00:12:03,868 --> 00:12:05,143 how would you explain what those are? 311 00:12:06,178 --> 00:12:07,475 Well, I would say 312 00:12:08,170 --> 00:12:10,615 that when I'm, when I'm working with the 313 00:12:10,814 --> 00:12:14,403 client, and we are identifying their values. What's 314 00:12:14,403 --> 00:12:15,280 important to them. 315 00:12:15,998 --> 00:12:18,949 I always refer back to have them think 316 00:12:18,949 --> 00:12:19,928 back to 317 00:12:20,719 --> 00:12:23,186 any time in their life, like, different moments, 318 00:12:23,584 --> 00:12:24,880 different experiences 319 00:12:25,255 --> 00:12:26,472 in one's life 320 00:12:26,847 --> 00:12:29,806 where you felt the most joy or you 321 00:12:29,806 --> 00:12:31,658 felt the most alive 322 00:12:32,192 --> 00:12:34,738 or you... Or there, like, that feeling of, 323 00:12:34,817 --> 00:12:34,977 like, 324 00:12:35,707 --> 00:12:36,207 timeless. 325 00:12:36,582 --> 00:12:38,810 You know? It's like, you're so engaged in 326 00:12:38,810 --> 00:12:42,174 the moment that you forget about anything else 327 00:12:42,628 --> 00:12:43,742 than what's going on. 328 00:12:44,394 --> 00:12:47,111 And so depending on what those moments or 329 00:12:47,111 --> 00:12:47,990 experiences are, 330 00:12:49,109 --> 00:12:50,887 that your your values 331 00:12:51,266 --> 00:12:54,381 are really, I are they're in that story. 332 00:12:55,015 --> 00:12:57,076 They're in that experience. Like, for example, 333 00:12:58,820 --> 00:12:59,637 if somebody 334 00:13:00,503 --> 00:13:03,135 says to me, you know, I'd when I 335 00:13:03,135 --> 00:13:06,745 went traveling with my family, and we were 336 00:13:06,884 --> 00:13:08,660 learning about new cultures, 337 00:13:09,037 --> 00:13:09,889 and we just 338 00:13:10,247 --> 00:13:13,668 we really loved connecting with people that were 339 00:13:13,668 --> 00:13:16,610 local to the to the town that we 340 00:13:16,610 --> 00:13:18,144 were visiting and 341 00:13:18,614 --> 00:13:19,893 you know, and you can hear... 342 00:13:20,452 --> 00:13:22,210 And so I listen for it. Like, well, 343 00:13:22,370 --> 00:13:25,567 what is it about that experience? And and 344 00:13:25,567 --> 00:13:27,085 some of the things I'll hear and that 345 00:13:27,085 --> 00:13:30,372 is maybe the... It's connection that's important to 346 00:13:30,372 --> 00:13:31,829 them. Right? Connecting 347 00:13:32,287 --> 00:13:35,812 with other people or learning I'd like to 348 00:13:35,812 --> 00:13:38,445 learn about other cultures, so learning, 349 00:13:39,242 --> 00:13:41,954 or I was with my family, you know, 350 00:13:42,273 --> 00:13:45,006 maybe family is 1 of the somebody's 351 00:13:45,954 --> 00:13:48,020 values that are really important to them. 352 00:13:48,895 --> 00:13:51,677 And so it's so it's so it's important. 353 00:13:51,915 --> 00:13:52,312 It's, like, 354 00:13:53,043 --> 00:13:55,426 when we're... Oh, and the job search too, 355 00:13:55,665 --> 00:13:58,366 it's like, when we're clear about what's important 356 00:13:58,366 --> 00:13:58,843 to us, 357 00:13:59,478 --> 00:14:00,909 and what our values are, 358 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:03,463 then we can also look at a company's 359 00:14:03,463 --> 00:14:05,684 value, and they'll usually have them on the 360 00:14:05,684 --> 00:14:05,922 website. 361 00:14:07,429 --> 00:14:09,095 It's pretty common anymore. 362 00:14:09,904 --> 00:14:12,398 And you can see what a company values. 363 00:14:12,696 --> 00:14:14,211 And so then you can... And it doesn't 364 00:14:14,211 --> 00:14:15,567 have to be an exact batch based it's 365 00:14:15,567 --> 00:14:17,720 like, is that is that fit in with 366 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:18,438 my values? 367 00:14:19,809 --> 00:14:21,634 But are you seeing these days as you 368 00:14:21,634 --> 00:14:22,372 look at 369 00:14:22,983 --> 00:14:24,991 comp like as you go through the 370 00:14:26,079 --> 00:14:26,317 application. 371 00:14:27,190 --> 00:14:29,601 But interview process. What are you seeing in 372 00:14:29,601 --> 00:14:31,519 that process today compared to what it was 373 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:32,019 when 374 00:14:33,037 --> 00:14:34,075 we first got out of school. 375 00:14:35,764 --> 00:14:37,458 I would say that 376 00:14:38,391 --> 00:14:41,098 while, the... There's things that have changed and 377 00:14:41,098 --> 00:14:42,611 things that haven't changed. 378 00:14:43,104 --> 00:14:45,019 Like, the thing that hasn't changed, and, 379 00:14:45,897 --> 00:14:48,690 I'll to speak for my own experience and 380 00:14:48,690 --> 00:14:50,446 and being in this process as well. 381 00:14:51,178 --> 00:14:53,745 Is how important it is to 382 00:14:54,677 --> 00:14:58,415 how to to keep building on our relationships, 383 00:14:59,465 --> 00:15:01,644 and to keep nurturing our 384 00:15:02,105 --> 00:15:03,245 relationships of our 385 00:15:03,865 --> 00:15:05,004 professional and personal 386 00:15:05,545 --> 00:15:06,045 relationships 387 00:15:06,504 --> 00:15:07,245 because they 388 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:09,559 when I I look back on on the 389 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:11,959 jobs, and I'm curious for you, John if 390 00:15:11,959 --> 00:15:13,879 this is true for you too. Well, when 391 00:15:14,039 --> 00:15:15,799 I think back on the jobs that I've 392 00:15:15,959 --> 00:15:16,519 I've had, 393 00:15:17,172 --> 00:15:20,530 it was usually because of a a 394 00:15:20,904 --> 00:15:21,142 relationship. 395 00:15:21,777 --> 00:15:24,317 Somebody I knew that knew somebody, 396 00:15:24,809 --> 00:15:26,168 You know, it was like, it was, like, 397 00:15:26,247 --> 00:15:28,245 1 to 2... Like, that job was just 398 00:15:28,245 --> 00:15:30,482 1 to 2 degrees of separation. 399 00:15:32,414 --> 00:15:33,791 You know what's funny it's 400 00:15:34,328 --> 00:15:34,828 now 401 00:15:35,684 --> 00:15:38,019 why I would say some of my clients 402 00:15:39,114 --> 00:15:40,709 or a lot of my private clients have 403 00:15:40,709 --> 00:15:41,847 come from previous 404 00:15:42,636 --> 00:15:43,136 employment 405 00:15:43,587 --> 00:15:43,825 relationships. 406 00:15:45,569 --> 00:15:47,392 And Yeah. Although then when I but... However, 407 00:15:47,551 --> 00:15:48,899 when I think of the jobs that I 408 00:15:48,899 --> 00:15:49,136 had, 409 00:15:50,343 --> 00:15:51,460 Most of those were cold. 410 00:15:52,178 --> 00:15:54,331 Most of those were were not actually people 411 00:15:54,331 --> 00:15:54,889 that I knew. 412 00:15:56,086 --> 00:15:57,761 Let's see. My first job at college is 413 00:15:57,761 --> 00:15:59,457 cold. The second 1 was a recruiter 414 00:16:00,804 --> 00:16:02,634 And then the other 1 were were more 415 00:16:02,634 --> 00:16:04,941 cold, like, just... I got a contact from 416 00:16:04,941 --> 00:16:06,213 somewhere. I reached out. 417 00:16:07,024 --> 00:16:09,024 But what you're saying is what I'm encouraging 418 00:16:09,024 --> 00:16:10,865 people these days because a lot of the 419 00:16:10,865 --> 00:16:13,345 things I'm hearing is people are applying to 420 00:16:13,345 --> 00:16:14,225 jobs on Linkedin. 421 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:15,779 Or 422 00:16:16,236 --> 00:16:18,730 Linkedin slash online and then 423 00:16:19,427 --> 00:16:21,900 hearing nothing, and it's not working for them, 424 00:16:22,314 --> 00:16:25,096 And then my challenge is. Okay. Well, if 425 00:16:25,096 --> 00:16:25,970 that's not working, 426 00:16:27,083 --> 00:16:29,229 what... You know, can we can we add 427 00:16:29,229 --> 00:16:30,898 a human element to this? Who do you 428 00:16:30,898 --> 00:16:32,581 know? Who can we... Who can we be 429 00:16:32,581 --> 00:16:35,837 talking to? Yeah. Yeah. And even, like, when 430 00:16:35,837 --> 00:16:38,856 you speak about your recruiter, and I remember 431 00:16:38,856 --> 00:16:39,491 getting a job... 432 00:16:40,143 --> 00:16:42,137 Many years ago through a recruiter as well. 433 00:16:42,456 --> 00:16:45,190 But even that recruiter is just a couple 434 00:16:45,647 --> 00:16:48,837 degrees away from the job. Right? Mh. So 435 00:16:48,837 --> 00:16:50,610 they have the connection and you have the 436 00:16:50,610 --> 00:16:52,690 connection to them, and they get to know 437 00:16:52,690 --> 00:16:53,009 you. 438 00:16:54,049 --> 00:16:55,970 So in a in the way, in that 439 00:16:55,970 --> 00:16:57,825 way, it kinda speaks to that, then And, 440 00:16:57,904 --> 00:16:58,144 yes, 441 00:16:58,865 --> 00:16:59,345 certainly, 442 00:17:00,225 --> 00:17:01,764 once in a while, some random 443 00:17:02,144 --> 00:17:04,144 things can happen where it's like, I just 444 00:17:04,144 --> 00:17:05,825 applied it online and I got it. Like, 445 00:17:05,984 --> 00:17:08,076 I heard about a... A coach. I was 446 00:17:08,076 --> 00:17:10,013 talking to a coach the other day who 447 00:17:10,072 --> 00:17:12,147 applied... This was 5 year... But 5 or 448 00:17:12,147 --> 00:17:14,882 6 years ago, and she applied to 449 00:17:16,149 --> 00:17:17,524 an executive coaching 450 00:17:18,137 --> 00:17:20,920 job within a a very large corporation, 451 00:17:21,556 --> 00:17:24,260 and and she got it. Now does that... 452 00:17:24,499 --> 00:17:25,190 Is that a 453 00:17:26,186 --> 00:17:27,006 is that a 454 00:17:27,542 --> 00:17:30,653 common occurrence? No. That's that's probably more the 455 00:17:30,653 --> 00:17:32,488 needle in the Haystack and what you're speaking 456 00:17:32,488 --> 00:17:34,242 to, A lot of people apply for jobs 457 00:17:34,242 --> 00:17:36,975 on Linkedin and it just, you never hear 458 00:17:36,975 --> 00:17:37,475 anything. 459 00:17:38,255 --> 00:17:38,575 Mh. 460 00:17:39,134 --> 00:17:41,775 Yeah. Yeah. So III 461 00:17:41,775 --> 00:17:44,230 find that, like, how, you know, whether it's 462 00:17:44,428 --> 00:17:46,894 as a coach and you're creating clients or 463 00:17:46,894 --> 00:17:49,599 you're in your own business and building clients. 464 00:17:50,235 --> 00:17:51,053 There's something 465 00:17:51,444 --> 00:17:53,915 there's just something about the human connection that's 466 00:17:53,915 --> 00:17:54,393 like, oh, 467 00:17:55,749 --> 00:17:57,981 There's, like, a a almost like a built 468 00:17:57,981 --> 00:17:59,177 in level of trust. 469 00:17:59,989 --> 00:18:01,026 That's that's there. 470 00:18:03,339 --> 00:18:05,434 So how are you finding that this 471 00:18:06,290 --> 00:18:08,943 newsletter that you started sending out is building 472 00:18:09,241 --> 00:18:09,480 relationships? 473 00:18:10,450 --> 00:18:12,832 I have found... It... It's been surprising. So 474 00:18:12,832 --> 00:18:15,055 the very first 1 I sent out. I 475 00:18:15,055 --> 00:18:17,437 had a... Because it was new. Right? I 476 00:18:17,437 --> 00:18:20,240 had a lot of response. Like, go Tammy, 477 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:21,140 or 478 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,759 or, hey. I have this connection. I want 479 00:18:23,759 --> 00:18:25,920 you to talk to... I wanna introduce you 480 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,490 to this person that I know. So I 481 00:18:28,648 --> 00:18:32,225 I have received a lot of of connections. 482 00:18:33,179 --> 00:18:35,007 So I've made, you know, and 483 00:18:35,579 --> 00:18:37,094 I would prefer to have a lot of 484 00:18:37,094 --> 00:18:39,726 those connections on my calendar and spend more 485 00:18:39,726 --> 00:18:42,937 time there than in the world of Linkedin 486 00:18:42,995 --> 00:18:44,111 and applying for jobs. 487 00:18:44,843 --> 00:18:48,094 And in and again, it's... It goes back 488 00:18:48,094 --> 00:18:48,991 to that 489 00:18:49,521 --> 00:18:51,132 that building just building 490 00:18:51,583 --> 00:18:54,785 relationships. And and then in as importantly, 491 00:18:55,424 --> 00:18:57,121 tracking all of that. So 492 00:18:57,579 --> 00:18:59,835 which we can talk about too. But the 493 00:19:00,134 --> 00:19:01,831 email itself, I 494 00:19:02,464 --> 00:19:03,442 I made it personable. 495 00:19:04,936 --> 00:19:07,510 I maybe... I shared a story 496 00:19:07,967 --> 00:19:10,679 about, you know, where I'm at what I'm 497 00:19:10,679 --> 00:19:11,737 looking to create 498 00:19:12,448 --> 00:19:15,473 and then I put the request in there. 499 00:19:15,791 --> 00:19:18,020 Here's what I'm looking for from you. 500 00:19:18,656 --> 00:19:21,203 And then here's what I... What I can 501 00:19:21,203 --> 00:19:21,703 provide 502 00:19:22,174 --> 00:19:24,725 as I can be a resource for you 503 00:19:24,725 --> 00:19:27,116 as well. So it's it's not that I'm 504 00:19:27,116 --> 00:19:28,551 just asking for something, 505 00:19:29,588 --> 00:19:32,548 and that's it. I'm also offering as well. 506 00:19:32,787 --> 00:19:34,775 So it's a get... It's a it's a 507 00:19:34,775 --> 00:19:36,128 both giving and receiving. 508 00:19:36,844 --> 00:19:38,037 How many of these have you done? Like, 509 00:19:38,116 --> 00:19:38,912 how many of you sent out? 510 00:19:39,802 --> 00:19:41,415 I have sent out 511 00:19:43,220 --> 00:19:45,207 maybe 6 or 7. 512 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,198 So not a not a lot. Okay. But 513 00:19:49,198 --> 00:19:50,792 what I thought was great about it, because 514 00:19:50,792 --> 00:19:52,248 even I hadn't talked in 515 00:19:52,943 --> 00:19:53,979 maybe a couple years. 516 00:19:54,696 --> 00:19:55,754 Yes. And 517 00:19:56,862 --> 00:19:58,373 Anyway, we were talk... We talked, 518 00:19:59,169 --> 00:20:00,919 and then you sent this to me, I 519 00:20:00,998 --> 00:20:02,271 I don't know. Maybe a week later. 520 00:20:03,067 --> 00:20:04,752 And I was I don't know. I was 521 00:20:04,752 --> 00:20:06,104 touched by it on so many different levels 522 00:20:06,104 --> 00:20:08,012 that I was just let. My client should 523 00:20:08,012 --> 00:20:09,603 be doing this or anyone looking for a 524 00:20:09,603 --> 00:20:11,034 job should be doing this This is so 525 00:20:11,034 --> 00:20:11,352 easy. 526 00:20:12,959 --> 00:20:14,493 And what I... So, 527 00:20:14,948 --> 00:20:16,722 yeah, I'm just curious to know 528 00:20:17,973 --> 00:20:18,473 where 529 00:20:19,818 --> 00:20:20,615 Like, what's the... 530 00:20:22,289 --> 00:20:24,042 Well, I I do wanna say too. When 531 00:20:24,202 --> 00:20:26,114 I received it, I was not put off 532 00:20:26,114 --> 00:20:27,071 by it. I was not like, 533 00:20:28,039 --> 00:20:30,046 Tammy like spamming me with this 534 00:20:31,053 --> 00:20:32,481 email? Like, it was it was more of, 535 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,464 like, oh, this is such a great idea. 536 00:20:34,860 --> 00:20:35,360 It's 537 00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:37,028 And it's... What I love about it too 538 00:20:37,028 --> 00:20:38,786 is you're just sending it from your Gmail 539 00:20:38,786 --> 00:20:40,465 account. Like, you didn't sign me up to 540 00:20:40,465 --> 00:20:42,084 mailchimp or some 541 00:20:42,462 --> 00:20:44,620 mail platform. It's, like, coming from your email. 542 00:20:45,674 --> 00:20:47,825 It is. It is. So I I thank 543 00:20:47,825 --> 00:20:49,579 you for saying that all of that, 544 00:20:50,296 --> 00:20:50,455 it's... 545 00:20:51,173 --> 00:20:53,006 It can be super really simple. 546 00:20:53,580 --> 00:20:54,080 And, 547 00:20:54,539 --> 00:20:55,920 you know, if you look around 548 00:20:56,220 --> 00:20:58,860 again... For anybody who might consider doing this, 549 00:20:59,019 --> 00:21:01,340 and I I do highly recommend this if 550 00:21:01,340 --> 00:21:01,900 you are, 551 00:21:02,554 --> 00:21:06,226 in the job search mode is to consider 552 00:21:06,226 --> 00:21:08,540 doing this. And if you want, you can 553 00:21:08,540 --> 00:21:10,297 reach out to John, and and we can 554 00:21:10,297 --> 00:21:12,864 get you just what I've sent, so you 555 00:21:12,864 --> 00:21:14,799 can have something to work off 556 00:21:15,257 --> 00:21:16,692 as a as a sample, 557 00:21:17,489 --> 00:21:20,041 and it can be that simple, and it 558 00:21:20,041 --> 00:21:22,551 now it it takes me about 15 minutes 559 00:21:22,690 --> 00:21:25,564 to write the next 1. And I might 560 00:21:25,564 --> 00:21:28,039 even include a picture. Like, I included a 561 00:21:28,039 --> 00:21:30,609 picture of my dog, Maggie as and I 562 00:21:30,609 --> 00:21:33,566 included a story about, you know, tying that 563 00:21:33,566 --> 00:21:35,804 into the job search. Like, it just... It 564 00:21:35,804 --> 00:21:37,882 can be really fun, but it it it's 565 00:21:37,882 --> 00:21:39,980 really meant to to be 566 00:21:40,452 --> 00:21:44,033 you know, your calling card, like, who you 567 00:21:44,033 --> 00:21:46,023 are. So you can... If you're a funny 568 00:21:46,023 --> 00:21:48,490 person, then, you know, have some fun with 569 00:21:48,490 --> 00:21:52,273 it if you're if you're really creative and 570 00:21:52,412 --> 00:21:54,805 be creative about it, it can be that 571 00:21:54,805 --> 00:21:55,944 simple. And 572 00:21:57,374 --> 00:21:59,289 I think the important thing is is, like, 573 00:22:00,088 --> 00:22:02,562 to have... Think about all the people in 574 00:22:02,562 --> 00:22:04,957 your in your circles, whether they're in your 575 00:22:04,957 --> 00:22:07,678 inner circles or outer circles or further out 576 00:22:07,678 --> 00:22:08,075 circles. 577 00:22:08,711 --> 00:22:11,572 Think about all the people out there, and 578 00:22:11,572 --> 00:22:13,026 you just never know 579 00:22:13,973 --> 00:22:14,473 who 580 00:22:15,248 --> 00:22:17,559 has somebody they'd like you to meet, 581 00:22:18,355 --> 00:22:20,666 and you can... Even if they don't, 582 00:22:21,239 --> 00:22:23,176 Like, they can just be silently 583 00:22:23,554 --> 00:22:26,189 cheering you on and rooting for you, and 584 00:22:26,189 --> 00:22:27,227 that's important too. 585 00:22:28,185 --> 00:22:29,861 Where how did you get this idea? 586 00:22:31,075 --> 00:22:32,934 I got this idea from 587 00:22:33,234 --> 00:22:35,154 the coach that I'm working with as well 588 00:22:35,154 --> 00:22:38,194 as another coach, and I think it is, 589 00:22:39,474 --> 00:22:41,801 depending on the career... If you are working 590 00:22:41,801 --> 00:22:42,677 with a career coach, 591 00:22:43,791 --> 00:22:46,099 they might say, hey, this is... You wanna 592 00:22:46,099 --> 00:22:47,532 send out an email update. 593 00:22:48,183 --> 00:22:50,485 And so I just took a little bit 594 00:22:50,485 --> 00:22:52,707 from 1 coach a little bit from another 595 00:22:52,707 --> 00:22:54,453 coach and then I just made it my 596 00:22:54,453 --> 00:22:54,770 own. 597 00:22:55,979 --> 00:22:58,556 And I recommend to 598 00:22:59,414 --> 00:23:02,210 the... I send them out every 2 weeks. 599 00:23:02,944 --> 00:23:04,939 Some people send them out weekly. Some people 600 00:23:04,939 --> 00:23:06,955 send them out monthly. So there's no 601 00:23:07,732 --> 00:23:10,366 there's no perfect formula for it. You can 602 00:23:10,366 --> 00:23:13,332 you can just check in for yourself and 603 00:23:13,332 --> 00:23:14,369 see what feels right. 604 00:23:15,406 --> 00:23:17,001 Well I loved about it too. There so 605 00:23:17,001 --> 00:23:18,676 there's... I'm looking at it now. There's, like, 606 00:23:19,235 --> 00:23:20,612 here's what I'm up to 607 00:23:21,084 --> 00:23:22,434 And this 1, there's a picture of you 608 00:23:22,434 --> 00:23:23,388 in your dad playing golf. 609 00:23:24,182 --> 00:23:25,692 Then what I left is there's, like, some 610 00:23:25,692 --> 00:23:28,076 built in accountability or that's what I... That 611 00:23:28,076 --> 00:23:30,159 was my interpretation of some of this. Like, 612 00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:32,240 you talk about... This is what I'm emphasizing 613 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,519 next week. This is what I'm gonna be 614 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:33,839 doing. 615 00:23:34,559 --> 00:23:35,919 Then this is what I need. 616 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,692 And then you offer to help, Whoever's reading 617 00:23:39,692 --> 00:23:41,528 it. And then what I even liked... But 618 00:23:41,688 --> 00:23:43,604 I thought was really cool, was even down 619 00:23:43,604 --> 00:23:46,477 below, you list the specific places that you're 620 00:23:46,477 --> 00:23:46,796 applying. 621 00:23:47,769 --> 00:23:49,544 As well as the ones that you previously 622 00:23:49,682 --> 00:23:50,160 applied to. 623 00:23:50,798 --> 00:23:52,313 I'm guessing the ones that have a strike 624 00:23:52,313 --> 00:23:53,450 through the ones that 625 00:23:53,827 --> 00:23:55,581 didn't go anywhere or done or something, 626 00:23:56,314 --> 00:23:58,947 Correct. Correct. And I include the link of 627 00:23:58,947 --> 00:24:01,442 the company. Yeah. So I include a hyperlink 628 00:24:01,501 --> 00:24:03,416 for the company. So somebody wants to look 629 00:24:03,416 --> 00:24:03,735 through it. 630 00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:05,990 They can click on the hyperlink. 631 00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:07,429 Because again, 632 00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:10,950 if I list the companies that I'm applying 633 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:13,429 to or have applied to, and maybe somebody 634 00:24:13,429 --> 00:24:16,630 knows has a cousin that works for 1 635 00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:19,097 of the companies on my list, then they 636 00:24:19,097 --> 00:24:20,551 they could make an an easy 637 00:24:20,927 --> 00:24:22,933 introduction. Right? I mean, what's greatest is now 638 00:24:22,933 --> 00:24:24,208 you and I are competing for some of 639 00:24:24,208 --> 00:24:25,722 the same jobs. I'm kidding. 640 00:24:29,082 --> 00:24:32,261 No competition, John. I there's plenty for everyone. 641 00:24:32,419 --> 00:24:35,201 That's why be it. Hundred percent. A hundred 642 00:24:35,201 --> 00:24:35,360 percent. 643 00:24:36,647 --> 00:24:38,398 Yeah. I guess the other thing that that 644 00:24:38,398 --> 00:24:39,990 what that I thought was so great and 645 00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:41,445 that I wanna encourage people 646 00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:42,400 is 647 00:24:43,093 --> 00:24:43,252 that... 648 00:24:44,383 --> 00:24:45,819 You did not ask me if it was 649 00:24:45,819 --> 00:24:47,174 okay if you sent this to me. 650 00:24:48,132 --> 00:24:48,929 You just sent it. 651 00:24:49,647 --> 00:24:51,801 I did. I thought that was kind of 652 00:24:51,801 --> 00:24:53,656 courageous. I thought it was kind of 653 00:24:55,957 --> 00:24:58,742 guts, and and I wasn't offended. Like, I 654 00:24:58,742 --> 00:24:59,696 think a lot of times we would make 655 00:24:59,696 --> 00:25:01,623 up a story of, like, Oh, I could 656 00:25:01,623 --> 00:25:03,459 never send something like this to Tammy because, 657 00:25:03,618 --> 00:25:04,895 you know, I didn't talk to Tammy to 658 00:25:04,895 --> 00:25:06,252 see is it okay if I send you 659 00:25:06,252 --> 00:25:06,752 this 660 00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:08,807 thing of what I'm up to and my 661 00:25:08,807 --> 00:25:11,213 request or help. So, that'd be a little 662 00:25:11,213 --> 00:25:12,966 spam me. I better not do it. But 663 00:25:12,966 --> 00:25:14,400 since... You just did it, and I did 664 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,515 not receive it as spam. 665 00:25:16,311 --> 00:25:18,542 Oh, that's good. Because III 666 00:25:18,542 --> 00:25:19,042 certainly 667 00:25:19,434 --> 00:25:21,828 my first couple that I sent out, The 668 00:25:21,828 --> 00:25:25,021 first couple emails. I sent out. I believe 669 00:25:25,021 --> 00:25:28,230 me in my mind, I I had all 670 00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:31,109 that conversation going on, like, oh, I'm gonna 671 00:25:31,109 --> 00:25:33,590 be in ent on somebody's you know, in 672 00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:36,125 their email inbox, and I know how much 673 00:25:36,562 --> 00:25:39,986 everybody already probably received their inbox. And I 674 00:25:40,145 --> 00:25:42,773 I really grapple with that. That was that 675 00:25:42,773 --> 00:25:44,149 was not an easy 676 00:25:44,779 --> 00:25:47,337 easy process for me. And and then I 677 00:25:47,337 --> 00:25:48,216 just got over it. 678 00:25:49,734 --> 00:25:51,413 And you didn't... Yes. And there's no big 679 00:25:51,413 --> 00:25:53,570 apology at the beginning or, like, hey, I'm 680 00:25:53,570 --> 00:25:55,976 sorry to, like, You're just like, hi. This 681 00:25:55,976 --> 00:25:57,647 is what's going on. And then I thought 682 00:25:57,647 --> 00:25:59,158 it was great at the very end, you 683 00:25:59,158 --> 00:26:01,067 just say, if you wish not to be 684 00:26:01,067 --> 00:26:02,420 on this email list, and me you know 685 00:26:02,420 --> 00:26:04,028 and It'll take you off. This is the 686 00:26:04,028 --> 00:26:07,218 best part. No questions asked. I promise. I 687 00:26:07,218 --> 00:26:08,893 was like, oh, yeah. I totally believe you. 688 00:26:09,132 --> 00:26:10,488 I could've have easily just written back and 689 00:26:10,488 --> 00:26:12,083 said, oh yeah, Please take me off, and 690 00:26:12,083 --> 00:26:12,721 you wouldn't have cared. 691 00:26:13,454 --> 00:26:13,693 Yeah. 692 00:26:14,410 --> 00:26:17,435 Yeah. Just make it make it easy. I 693 00:26:17,435 --> 00:26:18,334 think it's always 694 00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:20,860 good when they're sending out that kind of 695 00:26:20,860 --> 00:26:21,838 email. Always 696 00:26:22,228 --> 00:26:25,511 have the permission in there. Like hey. Always 697 00:26:25,726 --> 00:26:26,601 permission to say no. 698 00:26:27,475 --> 00:26:27,872 Totally. 699 00:26:28,508 --> 00:26:30,019 What are some other things that you saw? 700 00:26:30,178 --> 00:26:32,262 Other people include that you chose not to. 701 00:26:34,096 --> 00:26:35,632 I don't think there's anything 702 00:26:37,126 --> 00:26:39,837 that I see in other... Because I do 703 00:26:39,837 --> 00:26:40,337 receive 704 00:26:40,728 --> 00:26:43,750 these kinda emails from other people. And I 705 00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:45,817 don't think... I haven't seen anything that I 706 00:26:45,817 --> 00:26:48,202 don't include in there. It's more just style. 707 00:26:48,854 --> 00:26:51,965 I think everybody has their own style of 708 00:26:51,965 --> 00:26:54,836 their email, and it... Which is great because 709 00:26:54,836 --> 00:26:57,149 we want it to be a reflection of 710 00:26:57,149 --> 00:26:58,026 us. Mh. 711 00:26:58,839 --> 00:26:59,078 Yeah. 712 00:27:00,272 --> 00:27:02,184 How many people have said they don't wanna 713 00:27:02,184 --> 00:27:02,423 receive it? 714 00:27:03,299 --> 00:27:03,777 Nobody. 715 00:27:04,494 --> 00:27:04,813 Really? 716 00:27:05,689 --> 00:27:06,189 Nobody. 717 00:27:06,963 --> 00:27:07,441 Wow. 718 00:27:08,095 --> 00:27:08,575 Yes. 719 00:27:09,615 --> 00:27:11,554 I I know of somebody that's also 720 00:27:11,855 --> 00:27:14,014 in in this group of the of the 721 00:27:14,014 --> 00:27:16,514 career coaching, and she has a list of 722 00:27:16,828 --> 00:27:18,837 over 200 people, which is 723 00:27:19,290 --> 00:27:20,798 amazing. I don't have a list that big, 724 00:27:20,957 --> 00:27:22,625 but she has a list of over 200, 725 00:27:23,022 --> 00:27:25,166 and nobody has said that they don't wanna 726 00:27:25,166 --> 00:27:26,695 a receive her email. 727 00:27:27,255 --> 00:27:27,755 Now 728 00:27:28,134 --> 00:27:30,234 1 thing about sending because 729 00:27:31,015 --> 00:27:33,595 that's important to note on here is that 730 00:27:34,390 --> 00:27:37,429 It always put everybody in the Bcc. Yeah. 731 00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:40,970 Because we don't need to be sharing 732 00:27:41,429 --> 00:27:44,163 everybody's emails. That's... Really that would make some 733 00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:46,320 people mad. That would make some people mad, 734 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,558 and it's and it's just too much junk 735 00:27:48,558 --> 00:27:50,476 in the in the body the email anyway. 736 00:27:51,768 --> 00:27:56,067 So sometimes what can happen is that when 737 00:27:56,067 --> 00:27:58,716 the list is that big, it can land 738 00:27:59,012 --> 00:28:01,649 depending on... In somebody's email, there are filters, 739 00:28:01,808 --> 00:28:04,031 it can land in somebody's spam folder. 740 00:28:04,587 --> 00:28:07,390 But I think that's just part of the 741 00:28:08,177 --> 00:28:10,961 of sending anything out like that, which just 742 00:28:10,961 --> 00:28:11,677 make it okay. 743 00:28:12,472 --> 00:28:12,972 And 744 00:28:13,904 --> 00:28:16,780 but... Yeah. Over 200 and nobody said that 745 00:28:16,780 --> 00:28:18,846 don't send it to me anymore. That's so 746 00:28:18,846 --> 00:28:21,094 interesting. What's like been the most 747 00:28:21,468 --> 00:28:23,948 surprising or interesting thing that's come as a 748 00:28:23,948 --> 00:28:25,326 result of sending this out 749 00:28:25,783 --> 00:28:26,661 besides my reply. 750 00:28:28,656 --> 00:28:30,433 I would say the 751 00:28:31,542 --> 00:28:32,815 level of support, 752 00:28:34,406 --> 00:28:35,678 and and the... 753 00:28:36,315 --> 00:28:37,928 Like, all the resources 754 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,480 that have come my way to reach out 755 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,279 to people to consider this. I've had people 756 00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:44,500 send me job postings. 757 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:45,619 I've had 758 00:28:46,254 --> 00:28:46,754 people 759 00:28:47,133 --> 00:28:48,432 invite me on a podcast. 760 00:28:49,930 --> 00:28:53,446 That's you, John. And wow. So that was 761 00:28:53,446 --> 00:28:54,165 late to the game. 762 00:28:55,458 --> 00:28:56,895 No. It was you. You were the only 763 00:28:56,895 --> 00:28:58,252 1 who invited me on a podcast. 764 00:28:59,370 --> 00:29:02,403 So III would say the level of support. 765 00:29:02,563 --> 00:29:03,861 Like, it was just 766 00:29:04,334 --> 00:29:05,212 It was really... 767 00:29:06,250 --> 00:29:09,043 It was just great feedback. Mh. To receive 768 00:29:09,043 --> 00:29:09,522 all that. 769 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,236 You know, we we don't walk around. 770 00:29:13,207 --> 00:29:15,911 Acknowledging people or friends or people that we 771 00:29:15,911 --> 00:29:17,741 haven't talked to for a long time like... 772 00:29:17,979 --> 00:29:19,704 We don't walk around necessarily 773 00:29:20,221 --> 00:29:22,608 acknowledging people or saying, hey, I'm rooting for 774 00:29:22,608 --> 00:29:25,233 you because we don't really always know what's 775 00:29:25,233 --> 00:29:26,449 going on in people's 776 00:29:26,918 --> 00:29:29,385 in in their lives unless maybe it's on 777 00:29:29,544 --> 00:29:30,339 Facebook or something. 778 00:29:31,056 --> 00:29:33,363 But this is very... This is this is 779 00:29:33,363 --> 00:29:35,295 very specific. And 780 00:29:36,163 --> 00:29:39,271 So it's been... I I I'm really a 781 00:29:39,271 --> 00:29:40,568 a fan of, like 782 00:29:41,024 --> 00:29:42,378 like, doing this more. 783 00:29:43,747 --> 00:29:45,175 Well, what I'm also seeing here and a 784 00:29:45,175 --> 00:29:46,524 lot of the people that I talked to 785 00:29:46,524 --> 00:29:47,500 is the whole loneliness 786 00:29:48,428 --> 00:29:50,174 of the job search process. 787 00:29:50,904 --> 00:29:52,657 They... They... Either lost a job or they're 788 00:29:52,657 --> 00:29:54,170 looking for job and they spend their whole 789 00:29:54,170 --> 00:29:56,105 day sitting in front of the computer 790 00:29:56,561 --> 00:29:59,668 applying for jobs. And it's lonely. And this 791 00:29:59,668 --> 00:30:01,298 seems like, you've 792 00:30:03,103 --> 00:30:05,329 intentional or not created an antidote to that? 793 00:30:06,601 --> 00:30:09,382 Yes. Yes. There... It's it's it's a another 794 00:30:09,382 --> 00:30:11,255 way of... Connecting and building 795 00:30:11,634 --> 00:30:12,694 relationships. And 796 00:30:13,075 --> 00:30:13,575 I 797 00:30:14,115 --> 00:30:17,075 I have so much compassion for that process 798 00:30:17,075 --> 00:30:18,835 of sitting in front of a computer all 799 00:30:18,835 --> 00:30:19,075 day, 800 00:30:19,648 --> 00:30:21,262 and and it can be, 801 00:30:21,876 --> 00:30:24,422 you know, where somebody's mind and where their 802 00:30:24,422 --> 00:30:27,224 thoughts can go when they don't... Hear back 803 00:30:27,224 --> 00:30:29,484 from somebody or they receive a no 804 00:30:29,865 --> 00:30:30,924 and just having 805 00:30:31,384 --> 00:30:33,884 some kind of support, but also 806 00:30:34,265 --> 00:30:37,385 engage, like, finding a different way to engage 807 00:30:37,385 --> 00:30:39,452 in the whole career search process. 808 00:30:40,089 --> 00:30:42,315 Applying online is 1 part of it, 809 00:30:43,523 --> 00:30:45,665 This is my opinion on this. I would 810 00:30:45,665 --> 00:30:48,149 say making the networking and building 811 00:30:48,522 --> 00:30:48,760 relationships, 812 00:30:49,554 --> 00:30:51,221 ideally would be a bigger part. 813 00:30:52,188 --> 00:30:53,879 Maybe 70 percent 814 00:30:54,252 --> 00:30:57,270 and 30 percent, I'm just throwing these percentages 815 00:30:57,270 --> 00:31:00,025 out, but making it a bigger portion of 816 00:31:00,144 --> 00:31:01,651 you know, when I look at my calendar 817 00:31:01,651 --> 00:31:04,189 for the week, how many conversations, how many 818 00:31:04,189 --> 00:31:04,689 networking 819 00:31:05,062 --> 00:31:06,490 conversations do I have on my calendar? 820 00:31:07,219 --> 00:31:09,284 And how much time am my spending on 821 00:31:09,284 --> 00:31:11,849 that. Mh. I think it's much more valuable 822 00:31:12,143 --> 00:31:14,287 use of time. You know what I'm totally 823 00:31:14,287 --> 00:31:15,082 gonna bus myself. 824 00:31:15,973 --> 00:31:18,468 The the opportunity at Capital 1 825 00:31:19,244 --> 00:31:21,318 came about as a personal contact. 826 00:31:22,929 --> 00:31:25,001 She? And I think I think was it 827 00:31:25,001 --> 00:31:27,311 wasn't it Ali that you took her position 828 00:31:27,311 --> 00:31:28,108 in Santa Monica. 829 00:31:29,144 --> 00:31:31,949 Is that was? It... No. It was another... 830 00:31:32,108 --> 00:31:34,979 It was another coach, and and I found 831 00:31:34,979 --> 00:31:37,291 out about it at a at its a 832 00:31:37,291 --> 00:31:38,647 friend's birthday party. 833 00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:42,259 And somebody came up to me who I 834 00:31:42,259 --> 00:31:43,059 had worked with, 835 00:31:43,539 --> 00:31:44,359 in a previous 836 00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:45,140 job, 837 00:31:45,779 --> 00:31:46,279 and 838 00:31:46,660 --> 00:31:49,194 she was working with Capital 1 in a 839 00:31:49,394 --> 00:31:50,914 in 1 of the cafes, and she said, 840 00:31:50,994 --> 00:31:52,914 hey, we're looking for a money coach. 841 00:31:53,714 --> 00:31:54,835 That's how that happened. 842 00:31:55,794 --> 00:31:56,194 Amazing. 843 00:31:56,674 --> 00:31:59,325 Amazing. Okay. And then you... I think you 844 00:31:59,325 --> 00:32:00,601 knew El, El Gabriel. 845 00:32:01,239 --> 00:32:02,674 Yes. Shout out to El. 846 00:32:03,471 --> 00:32:05,226 So I had been talking to her. I 847 00:32:05,226 --> 00:32:06,980 took... I did my coach training with her. 848 00:32:07,473 --> 00:32:08,826 We were in some of the same classes. 849 00:32:09,463 --> 00:32:11,771 And then she had somehow a long line 850 00:32:11,771 --> 00:32:12,965 mentioned she was doing this cool thing with 851 00:32:13,124 --> 00:32:15,447 Capital 1, and I said, oh, Are they 852 00:32:15,447 --> 00:32:16,960 ever doing that anywhere else? And she said, 853 00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:19,348 I think they're opening a Portland Cafe eventually, 854 00:32:19,906 --> 00:32:21,896 and, you know, 1 thing led to another. 855 00:32:22,135 --> 00:32:22,635 So 856 00:32:23,583 --> 00:32:25,515 Yeah. I I don't know. I think 857 00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:28,039 my sense is that times have changed. In 858 00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:30,346 other words, the jobs that I got a 859 00:32:30,346 --> 00:32:32,990 long time ago that were just you know, 860 00:32:33,470 --> 00:32:35,390 applying and kinda of black hole. 861 00:32:36,190 --> 00:32:37,650 I don't know. Maybe it's a technology 862 00:32:37,950 --> 00:32:39,789 or the inter. I mean the Internet didn't 863 00:32:39,789 --> 00:32:40,404 exist then 864 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:41,239 Right. 865 00:32:42,033 --> 00:32:42,828 Dating myself. 866 00:32:43,622 --> 00:32:46,324 But, yeah. The Internet didn't exist. So I 867 00:32:46,324 --> 00:32:48,651 guess the volume and the ability to 868 00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:51,676 maybe it worked better then, but... Yeah, now 869 00:32:51,676 --> 00:32:53,914 it's just... There's just too much going on. 870 00:32:54,713 --> 00:32:56,630 Yes. Yes. And, you know. 871 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:58,896 So there is something 872 00:32:59,826 --> 00:33:01,971 that people are getting jobs online. I mean, 873 00:33:02,050 --> 00:33:04,592 it's... It it it is working in some 874 00:33:04,592 --> 00:33:05,092 capacity 875 00:33:05,959 --> 00:33:08,596 And there is something that can feel and 876 00:33:08,596 --> 00:33:10,534 be more empowering about 877 00:33:11,312 --> 00:33:13,171 really creating your own 878 00:33:13,644 --> 00:33:16,993 1 your own network, but also creating it's, 879 00:33:17,153 --> 00:33:20,662 like, what your ideal job is, and I 880 00:33:20,662 --> 00:33:22,678 know sometimes people just blast 881 00:33:23,548 --> 00:33:26,340 many, many resumes out there without doing a 882 00:33:26,340 --> 00:33:28,015 lot of research on a company, 883 00:33:28,573 --> 00:33:29,472 and they just 884 00:33:29,929 --> 00:33:31,684 looking at the job title and maybe the 885 00:33:31,684 --> 00:33:32,742 job description 886 00:33:33,295 --> 00:33:35,775 but there's something much more can be much 887 00:33:35,775 --> 00:33:36,755 more empowering 888 00:33:37,295 --> 00:33:39,295 about really just slowing down. 889 00:33:40,588 --> 00:33:43,951 And getting not only clear about what's important, 890 00:33:44,247 --> 00:33:46,258 you know, for each of us in 891 00:33:46,633 --> 00:33:49,430 in how we wanna spend that chunk of 892 00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:51,810 a time each day in a in a 893 00:33:51,810 --> 00:33:52,310 career 894 00:33:52,841 --> 00:33:53,000 profession, 895 00:33:53,713 --> 00:33:54,689 but also 896 00:33:55,141 --> 00:33:58,175 to look and see really take a deep 897 00:33:58,175 --> 00:33:59,552 dive into the company 898 00:34:00,087 --> 00:34:02,876 and and and get a sense of the 899 00:34:02,876 --> 00:34:05,824 culture or or talk to people who work 900 00:34:05,824 --> 00:34:06,701 at the company. 901 00:34:07,354 --> 00:34:09,752 And and find out, like, what it's... What 902 00:34:09,752 --> 00:34:11,510 is it like to work there? What's the 903 00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:12,229 culture like? 904 00:34:13,348 --> 00:34:15,026 Does that make sense? No. It totally does. 905 00:34:15,266 --> 00:34:16,920 I guess where my mind was going was 906 00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:19,117 so often when I talk to people, maybe 907 00:34:19,117 --> 00:34:20,235 it's a stage that they're at... 908 00:34:20,954 --> 00:34:23,432 The there, you know, it's been a number 909 00:34:23,432 --> 00:34:25,844 of months since they were laid off. And 910 00:34:25,844 --> 00:34:27,839 they're in more of that mode of, like, 911 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:29,536 I just gotta find something. 912 00:34:30,313 --> 00:34:30,473 Sure. 913 00:34:31,431 --> 00:34:31,910 Understandable. 914 00:34:32,469 --> 00:34:34,717 Yes. And and and so that that could 915 00:34:34,717 --> 00:34:37,025 be okay. That can be, you know, it's... 916 00:34:37,264 --> 00:34:39,810 When I I got lucky with Nordstrom. You 917 00:34:39,810 --> 00:34:41,322 know, I thought that was gonna be a... 918 00:34:41,481 --> 00:34:44,042 Like, I just need income right now. And 919 00:34:44,042 --> 00:34:45,791 ended up being a really great fit for 920 00:34:45,791 --> 00:34:48,575 me. And so, you know, sometimes you just 921 00:34:48,575 --> 00:34:51,040 gotta do what you gotta do to take 922 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:51,969 care of yourself 923 00:34:52,646 --> 00:34:53,600 financially for sure. 924 00:34:54,475 --> 00:34:57,737 And you can still do that and still 925 00:34:57,737 --> 00:35:01,097 work on, you know, crafting your your ideal 926 00:35:01,097 --> 00:35:03,488 career as well. So you can take the 927 00:35:03,488 --> 00:35:06,039 job, at, you know, spend some time on 928 00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:08,202 the other part of it, so that you 929 00:35:08,202 --> 00:35:10,981 find something that really feels like a good 930 00:35:10,981 --> 00:35:11,219 fit. 931 00:35:12,092 --> 00:35:13,839 But how does swimming relate to all this? 932 00:35:16,797 --> 00:35:18,311 I know Tammy is a swim, and I've 933 00:35:18,311 --> 00:35:19,449 always said that fascinating. 934 00:35:20,143 --> 00:35:22,852 I ill. I know. I do swim. I 935 00:35:22,852 --> 00:35:24,286 swim a couple days a week. 936 00:35:24,938 --> 00:35:25,438 And 937 00:35:26,130 --> 00:35:28,037 there's... And it's a practice. 938 00:35:29,070 --> 00:35:31,319 And I think that with anything 939 00:35:31,693 --> 00:35:33,465 to get better at something 940 00:35:33,934 --> 00:35:36,175 we have to practice. And we have to 941 00:35:36,175 --> 00:35:37,075 learn that, 942 00:35:37,535 --> 00:35:39,635 like, in swimming, it's a very technical 943 00:35:40,095 --> 00:35:40,414 sport. 944 00:35:40,989 --> 00:35:43,141 So there's a lot of technique to swimming. 945 00:35:43,380 --> 00:35:45,713 So there's... In it... And 946 00:35:46,568 --> 00:35:49,294 learning that technique and building on that is 947 00:35:49,294 --> 00:35:50,033 a lifelong 948 00:35:50,650 --> 00:35:53,146 endeavor. I mean, the elite athletes 949 00:35:53,922 --> 00:35:56,795 are are amazing Olympia swimmers, you know, 950 00:35:57,448 --> 00:35:59,517 Katie Lad and and so forth. 951 00:36:00,393 --> 00:36:03,655 They're always learning. They're always learning and always 952 00:36:03,655 --> 00:36:04,792 growing. So 953 00:36:05,103 --> 00:36:07,336 I think that swimming as with any kind 954 00:36:07,336 --> 00:36:08,235 of sport 955 00:36:09,410 --> 00:36:11,563 that it's, like, once you start to learn 956 00:36:11,563 --> 00:36:13,636 the techniques and you stay. But you gotta 957 00:36:13,636 --> 00:36:15,008 stay in the practice of it. 958 00:36:15,728 --> 00:36:16,228 And 959 00:36:16,766 --> 00:36:19,104 it's it's very similar when 960 00:36:19,483 --> 00:36:21,261 when you think about our careers 961 00:36:22,053 --> 00:36:24,276 you know, and and over time, and to 962 00:36:24,276 --> 00:36:26,047 me, the building 963 00:36:26,420 --> 00:36:28,032 relationships is a great practice 964 00:36:28,485 --> 00:36:29,358 to get into. 965 00:36:30,088 --> 00:36:32,554 And to not stop doing that even when 966 00:36:32,554 --> 00:36:35,202 you find your ideal job because, 967 00:36:35,815 --> 00:36:37,423 you don't... You know, you might just be 968 00:36:37,423 --> 00:36:39,419 in that position for 2 or 3 years, 969 00:36:39,579 --> 00:36:41,575 and then you might be ready for the 970 00:36:41,575 --> 00:36:43,570 next level. And if that... If the company 971 00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:46,125 you're at doesn't have that next level for 972 00:36:46,125 --> 00:36:49,570 you, then you want to be able to 973 00:36:49,570 --> 00:36:52,441 go, oh, I have, you know, to really 974 00:36:52,441 --> 00:36:55,630 have, like, all these relationships you've built upon, 975 00:36:56,204 --> 00:36:58,593 and then you... It's so much easier to 976 00:36:58,593 --> 00:37:00,425 put yourself out there and say, hey. I'm 977 00:37:00,425 --> 00:37:03,212 looking for this next thing. What what that 978 00:37:03,212 --> 00:37:04,486 next level for myself. 979 00:37:05,218 --> 00:37:07,603 I don't know anything about swimming. It looks 980 00:37:07,603 --> 00:37:09,534 like you just, like, put your arms and 981 00:37:09,591 --> 00:37:11,340 kick your feet, Like, move your arms and 982 00:37:11,340 --> 00:37:12,056 kick. But what's the... 983 00:37:13,264 --> 00:37:14,540 That's how I used to swim. 984 00:37:17,092 --> 00:37:18,847 I must have looked like a... I must... 985 00:37:19,166 --> 00:37:21,958 I I used this... I never really took 986 00:37:21,958 --> 00:37:23,885 lessons. I think I took questions when I 987 00:37:23,885 --> 00:37:25,158 was like, I don't know, 5 or 6 988 00:37:25,158 --> 00:37:28,181 years old and and the... For at the 989 00:37:28,181 --> 00:37:30,304 at the local why, but I never took 990 00:37:30,425 --> 00:37:31,784 I it was never on a swim team. 991 00:37:31,944 --> 00:37:33,944 I was a late bloom, and I started 992 00:37:33,944 --> 00:37:36,105 swimming about actually about 10 years ago. 993 00:37:36,905 --> 00:37:39,840 And I started... I went to the local 994 00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:42,119 community college was in Santa Monica, and they 995 00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:44,619 have 2 amazing outdoor pools. And 996 00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,239 I just started swimming laps. I didn't really 997 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,655 know what I was doing. I I knew 998 00:37:49,655 --> 00:37:51,494 enough to kick and and move my arms. 999 00:37:51,655 --> 00:37:52,875 Like, I had the generals 1000 00:37:53,335 --> 00:37:55,574 idea of of, freestyle swimming. 1001 00:37:56,215 --> 00:37:58,706 And then I saw... But a few lanes 1002 00:37:58,706 --> 00:38:00,461 over for... And I did this for about 1003 00:38:00,461 --> 00:38:02,695 a year. And I saw a few lanes 1004 00:38:02,695 --> 00:38:03,811 over in the morning. 1005 00:38:04,369 --> 00:38:06,045 I would see this group, and it looked 1006 00:38:06,045 --> 00:38:08,292 like they had a coach who was standing 1007 00:38:08,292 --> 00:38:09,966 up on on the edge of the pool 1008 00:38:09,966 --> 00:38:12,118 and coaching this... The group of people, you 1009 00:38:12,118 --> 00:38:14,589 know, 5 or 8 people, in a couple 1010 00:38:14,589 --> 00:38:15,487 lanes and 1011 00:38:16,038 --> 00:38:18,103 and they looked really good. They looked like 1012 00:38:18,103 --> 00:38:19,533 they really knew what they were doing. And 1013 00:38:19,533 --> 00:38:21,280 so I finally got up the nerve to 1014 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,822 ask the coach. Like, what is this? And 1015 00:38:23,822 --> 00:38:25,434 he said, oh, this is the masters 1016 00:38:25,903 --> 00:38:28,615 adult master swim club, and I said, well, 1017 00:38:28,775 --> 00:38:30,849 what is that? And he said, well, you're 1018 00:38:30,849 --> 00:38:33,082 welcome to come check it out. Any level. 1019 00:38:33,561 --> 00:38:35,395 Like, any level of swim, and I said, 1020 00:38:35,729 --> 00:38:37,321 really? I said I don't know that I 1021 00:38:37,321 --> 00:38:39,152 really know how to swim that's. Okay. Come 1022 00:38:39,152 --> 00:38:42,757 on in. So that's how I got involved 1023 00:38:42,815 --> 00:38:43,315 in 1024 00:38:44,023 --> 00:38:47,192 in the Masters club. And then I I 1025 00:38:47,192 --> 00:38:48,563 learned how to 1026 00:38:48,935 --> 00:38:49,435 properly 1027 00:38:50,123 --> 00:38:53,161 swim, like, the basic techniques, at least something 1028 00:38:53,161 --> 00:38:54,357 to start to build upon. 1029 00:38:54,994 --> 00:38:56,530 So you just followed your curiosity? 1030 00:38:57,624 --> 00:39:00,270 I did. I just I I... It took 1031 00:39:00,270 --> 00:39:02,662 me a while. I had the curiosity, but 1032 00:39:02,662 --> 00:39:04,757 then it took the courage to actually ask 1033 00:39:04,974 --> 00:39:06,809 the coach what the heck was going on 1034 00:39:06,809 --> 00:39:07,287 over there. 1035 00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:10,556 That used to swim in the ocean too. 1036 00:39:10,794 --> 00:39:10,873 Right? 1037 00:39:11,824 --> 00:39:13,963 I did. I... And I I still do 1038 00:39:13,963 --> 00:39:14,597 once in a while. 1039 00:39:15,643 --> 00:39:17,469 Don't do that up in Washington state It's 1040 00:39:17,469 --> 00:39:20,194 too cold for my taste, but I am 1041 00:39:20,409 --> 00:39:23,109 doing a a ocean swim race at the 1042 00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:25,667 end of this month in Santa Monica it's 1043 00:39:25,667 --> 00:39:26,463 a quick swim. 1044 00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:29,806 And and, yes. Ocean swing is is fun. 1045 00:39:30,045 --> 00:39:31,079 It's not for everyone. 1046 00:39:31,796 --> 00:39:33,467 I I love being out there. I don't... 1047 00:39:33,786 --> 00:39:35,034 I'm okay with not 1048 00:39:35,474 --> 00:39:37,871 seeing what the bottom of the ocean looks 1049 00:39:37,871 --> 00:39:40,588 like. So it it's... Yeah. It's not for 1050 00:39:40,588 --> 00:39:41,307 everybody's taste. 1051 00:39:42,266 --> 00:39:43,965 But, anything else about 1052 00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:45,559 the job search, 1053 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,980 selling shoes, swimming 1054 00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:50,280 or your newsletter or anything else? 1055 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,099 Well, I would say that 1056 00:39:53,572 --> 00:39:55,793 for the job search, I mean, if anybody's 1057 00:39:55,793 --> 00:39:58,093 out there doing it on their own, 1058 00:39:58,966 --> 00:39:59,862 you know, to 1059 00:40:00,235 --> 00:40:00,735 consider 1060 00:40:01,998 --> 00:40:04,472 there's a lot probably. I I can't speak 1061 00:40:04,472 --> 00:40:04,972 on 1062 00:40:05,350 --> 00:40:06,706 off the top of my head. I'm sure 1063 00:40:06,706 --> 00:40:09,042 their Youtube has plenty, but 1064 00:40:09,833 --> 00:40:12,380 to really, if you've been just in that 1065 00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:14,688 process of just sending out resumes, and you 1066 00:40:14,688 --> 00:40:16,678 don't feel like you're getting any traction. 1067 00:40:17,569 --> 00:40:19,106 To 1 to 1068 00:40:19,483 --> 00:40:20,281 get some support, 1069 00:40:21,078 --> 00:40:23,950 whether it's the local... You know, there are 1070 00:40:23,950 --> 00:40:24,450 services 1071 00:40:25,625 --> 00:40:27,082 that are our local 1072 00:40:27,474 --> 00:40:29,315 that I imagine you could have access to. 1073 00:40:29,554 --> 00:40:30,295 There are 1074 00:40:30,594 --> 00:40:32,675 many great career coaches out there. 1075 00:40:33,394 --> 00:40:35,315 And also, you can do your own research, 1076 00:40:35,394 --> 00:40:37,130 and there's probably some online 1077 00:40:37,728 --> 00:40:40,383 educational type programs, you can just 1078 00:40:40,761 --> 00:40:41,799 take yourself through. 1079 00:40:42,916 --> 00:40:45,231 But if you're just sending resumes out, 1080 00:40:46,203 --> 00:40:49,384 And and, again, not getting any traction consider 1081 00:40:49,384 --> 00:40:49,884 just 1082 00:40:50,735 --> 00:40:51,712 looking at, 1083 00:40:52,325 --> 00:40:54,654 you know, when doing... Consider a networking 1084 00:40:55,028 --> 00:40:55,267 email, 1085 00:40:55,918 --> 00:40:58,403 to send out and and then start 1086 00:40:59,094 --> 00:41:01,976 looking around in your world and and 1087 00:41:02,350 --> 00:41:04,811 start asking for introductions to people. 1088 00:41:05,385 --> 00:41:05,885 Not 1089 00:41:06,184 --> 00:41:07,704 introductions to say, hey, Do you have a 1090 00:41:07,704 --> 00:41:08,344 job for me, 1091 00:41:09,385 --> 00:41:12,344 introductions to meet with people to learn from 1092 00:41:12,344 --> 00:41:13,244 them to 1093 00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:16,104 maybe they have enough a connection that they 1094 00:41:16,104 --> 00:41:18,093 could connect you with to share what you're 1095 00:41:18,093 --> 00:41:19,684 up to what you're looking for. 1096 00:41:20,654 --> 00:41:22,886 Not to be needy and say, hey, do 1097 00:41:22,886 --> 00:41:25,118 you have the job for me, but to 1098 00:41:25,118 --> 00:41:27,052 just to connect and build 1099 00:41:27,748 --> 00:41:27,987 relationships. 1100 00:41:28,959 --> 00:41:30,954 So people wanted to have a conversation with 1101 00:41:30,954 --> 00:41:33,269 you, find out more about you, reach you. 1102 00:41:33,988 --> 00:41:35,664 What's the best way to do that? Yeah. 1103 00:41:35,903 --> 00:41:38,072 They could find me on my can go 1104 00:41:38,072 --> 00:41:41,654 to my website on Tammy, TAMMI, 1105 00:41:42,052 --> 00:41:43,723 Scott, SC0TT, 1106 00:41:43,962 --> 00:41:46,528 tammy Scott dot com. You can put your 1107 00:41:46,528 --> 00:41:47,028 contact 1108 00:41:47,487 --> 00:41:49,565 information, and you can put a note, hey. 1109 00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:52,601 I heard this podcast. I'd just like to 1110 00:41:52,601 --> 00:41:55,163 learn more. And I'd be happy to have 1111 00:41:55,163 --> 00:41:57,866 a a brief conversation with you. Excellent. 1112 00:41:58,502 --> 00:41:58,820 Yeah. 1113 00:41:59,536 --> 00:42:01,779 And if you also would like just get 1114 00:42:01,779 --> 00:42:04,735 a sample of the email... Any of the 1115 00:42:04,735 --> 00:42:06,892 emails that I've sent out that I do 1116 00:42:06,892 --> 00:42:08,410 send out on a regular basis, 1117 00:42:09,222 --> 00:42:10,732 You can just ask for that, and I'll 1118 00:42:10,732 --> 00:42:13,116 be happy to... I'll I'll forward you or 1119 00:42:13,116 --> 00:42:14,785 put you on my list so you can 1120 00:42:14,785 --> 00:42:16,787 receive the emails. And then you can you 1121 00:42:16,787 --> 00:42:19,014 can take what you want from it and 1122 00:42:19,014 --> 00:42:19,650 build your own. 1123 00:42:30,248 --> 00:42:32,001 Thanks for listening to the John Polls show. 1124 00:42:32,478 --> 00:42:34,719 Notes, links. 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