Alright. Today, I'm talking to Tammy Scott, Emmy
and I met as money coaches at Capital
1
in
I think it was a long time ago,
2019 or so. So
Tammy is is currently doing... Well she'll I'll
let her explain in her own words,
a sort of job search,
and she sent me a newsletter the other
day that totally caught my attention, and I
wanted to talk about it because I thought
that it could help other people that are
looking for jobs, and we'll probably get to
that in a little bit. But before we
do, Tammy, good to see you today for
Yeah. It's good to see you too, John.
And it was 20 18 that we started
with Capital 1 together. Wow.
I know. And you were in Southern California.
I was in why still in in Oregon.
And where do you find yourself today?
I find myself up in the Pacific Northwest.
At just north of you in Washington state
in the Greater Seattle area.
And tell... Said a little background like, Who
are you? What do are you up to?
Why did you send me this newsletter?
Oh, big questions that you're asking. It's great.
So, yeah. So I've been I've been coaching
really since...
I finished my coaching
certification back in 2005.
But I knew nothing about building a coaching
practice at that time. So I I did
my best, and I just kept my foot
in the... Kept my... Feed 1 foot in
the water and coaching and then went on
to
work at other jobs in in corporate America,
and
other nonprofit organizations over the many years. And
then after
Capital 1, so that was focused more on
money coaching,
although, you know, it included a lot of
their lives besides money as you know.
And I got into... I started
doing more executive coaching, and I love executive
coaching. I love working with leaders,
and
So that just morph into doing a lot
of collaborating with some, other coaches,
doing some
training in, like, leadership training in
a few different companies,
pharmaceutical,
and also in the health care industry.
And
this year,
I I was thinking I really miss working
with a team.
So I thought, I think I wanna get
back to
maybe a job as a coach, in... Like
as an internal in
internal in in an
organization.
So I hired a career coach, somebody I
know.
And,
started on that
exploration, and
it's been very re... It's a very revealing
process.
It's been great.
And the
at the networking email that I sent you
was part of the process of
of sending out
an email that says, here's what I'm up
to. Here's why you're getting this email because
I trust you. III...
Your... What... You're part of my support system.
And and then it... I... What I did
is as part of the email is
is also include, you know, companies I'm applying
to, what I'm up to? What how can
you help me? And then
How can I help you? So it's a
very generative
kind of an email to keep the energy
of the whole process moving forward.
So what was most revealing?
What was mo... In in terms of the...
What you were said, you you saw sought
you set out to work with this career
coach in the process has been very revealing.
Oh, yeah. So it it really helps to
start looking at, like, what what do I
value?
Where am I at today?
Because
we all evolve right over our career
process. Like, our whole career journey. I mean,
you think about who we were at 20,
30, 40, depending on what age you're at.
I'm in the... I'm in the next
decade. I was wondering if you're gonna say.
Yes. I'm in the next decade
on
Yes. And so who I am today is
very different than who I was even 5
years ago. And
So this process has been helpful to uncover,
like, you know, what's important to me? How...
Like, what kind of workday? Who do I
wanna work with? What kind of culture
do I see myself working in? Do I
wanna do I wanna have direct reports and
and be in that kind of leadership?
Or do I want to be a solo
inside of an organization. You know, all those
questions and and it's just been very clarifying.
But something's surprising you've learned.
I think what came to to light in
this process, and it... I don't know if
it was completely surprising
is how much I enjoy collaborating with others.
And I think that's what I most have
missed in being in having my own coaching
business
And even though I have clients that I'm
working with, and I I certainly
network with other coaches,
and there's something
like, for me, that's really fun about about
collaborating
and creating together and generating
something together, like, I love that process.
So when you trained as a coach in
2005,
where
what type of collaborations were you doing then?
I don't think I was doing
any
collaboration at that time. I mean, I I
finished the whole coaching
certification process.
I graduated.
I got certified,
then I
happened to be involved in some different
groups of,
you know, workshops that I I did
and participated in or volunteer work that I
did, and and so I would meet people
and and then
we would there maybe somebody was looking for
coaching or we would have a conversation it
led to
having a a coaching
relationship together.
It was more at that time, it was
more... Like, I hope I'm gonna get another
client.
But it... I didn't have any... I didn't
have that
that structure
to or or anything... Any understanding of what
it actually takes to build a coaching practice
as a business.
And so III thought if I keep going...
When I was doing it back then, I
thought if I keep going the way I'm
going, I'm probably gonna be
on the on a street pretty soon.
Now I have in the back of my
mind, you worked at Nordstrom. Is that right?
I did. And you love that job for
some reason.
I did. I... And this was after
getting my coaching certification, So I think I
started in Nord from maybe a few years
later.
III
was only gonna go work at Nordstrom
for a few months
but I thought, well, it's commissioned to great
company.
I can sell shoes. I can make good
some good money while I'm figuring out what's
next.
And
I loved it so much. I ended up
staying there for 5 and a half years.
And I found that
everything I'd learned in my coaching
school, and I also did before that I
did a master's in spiritual psychology,
everything that I had learned
in in both of those programs,
I I really
it helped me in
relating to my customers
at Nordstrom. And so I built up quite
AAA
customer
following, I guess is 1 word way to
put it. So I had quite a a
customer list that I would call on a
you know, on the special occasion,
and and it was something about
how I related to them and how I
that would level of listening
that
I had with them
that really
enhanced our our our
relationship, you know, them as my as my
customer.
And and so that
that really was very fulfilling, And I I
also loved selling shoes. Like, there was just
something, you know, when I put a shoe
on somebody and it has the right fit
and the feel and the look that they're
looking for. It's like the whole... It's like
they're whole being lights up. It's, you know,
similar to a coaching experience like, when something
lands for somebody,
and they have this insight, and you can
see it in their whole being,
then
like, you know that there's a an, a,
a special note has been sounded.
And you would see that fitting people for
shoes.
I did.
So beautiful. Did. And and I I also
had a,
this an acceptance for people, women
and I don't know if it... How it
is for you as a man. But for
women...
And maybe it's because of the... All the
different shoes that are out there, You know,
the shoe styles and and styles of sandals
and so forth.
And so many women were so self conscious
of their feet, and especially if they had
problem feet if they had bun or, you
know, anything anything that
that was
an issue for in their mind. And I
I really...
I think I provided a a really accepting
space, like, I wasn't there to judge their
feet, and I really made their feet okay
and that there's a shoe for their feet.
No matter what they're... What they think.
I went some of the other things from
spiritual psychology.
That map did your job there?
There were principles and practices that we learned
at the... And this was at the university
of Santa Monica
for anybody who might be familiar with that
program.
And
1 of the... 1 of the principles was
to see the loving essence
and to put that into just
regular,
non spiritual terms is really to
see the essence of somebody, like, see the
best in
everybody.
Like, you know, whether we go... And sometimes
I just practice that when I go to
the grocery store, and I just walk around
and I just... I'd look for the best
in everybody. Like, we all have it. It's
it's not exclusive.
And I think that
I think that that was
like it's... Just 1 of the foundational principles.
I think that really served me when I
was working there.
Wow. I wanna come buy a pair of
shoes now.
Yes. Yes. So if I no longer there,
and that, you know, in the company, the
Nordstrom, And this speaks to
really, like, the job search, like, the values
that Nordstrom and their mission
their and their their corporate values
really matched up with my values. And I
don't ask me to say exactly what their
values
are you could go on their website. But
at that time,
it was such a clear match for me.
So it just felt
like, an extension of me in a way
to be working there.
And when you say values for people that
are aren't familiar with personal values or well,
how do you
how would you explain what those are?
Well, I would say
that when I'm, when I'm working with the
client, and we are identifying their values. What's
important to them.
I always refer back to have them think
back to
any time in their life, like, different moments,
different experiences
in one's life
where you felt the most joy or you
felt the most alive
or you... Or there, like, that feeling of,
like,
timeless.
You know? It's like, you're so engaged in
the moment that you forget about anything else
than what's going on.
And so depending on what those moments or
experiences are,
that your your values
are really, I are they're in that story.
They're in that experience. Like, for example,
if somebody
says to me, you know, I'd when I
went traveling with my family, and we were
learning about new cultures,
and we just
we really loved connecting with people that were
local to the to the town that we
were visiting and
you know, and you can hear...
And so I listen for it. Like, well,
what is it about that experience? And and
some of the things I'll hear and that
is maybe the... It's connection that's important to
them. Right? Connecting
with other people or learning I'd like to
learn about other cultures, so learning,
or I was with my family, you know,
maybe family is 1 of the somebody's
values that are really important to them.
And so it's so it's so it's important.
It's, like,
when we're... Oh, and the job search too,
it's like, when we're clear about what's important
to us,
and what our values are,
then we can also look at a company's
value, and they'll usually have them on the
website.
It's pretty common anymore.
And you can see what a company values.
And so then you can... And it doesn't
have to be an exact batch based it's
like, is that is that fit in with
my values?
But are you seeing these days as you
look at
comp like as you go through the
application.
But interview process. What are you seeing in
that process today compared to what it was
when
we first got out of school.
I would say that
while, the... There's things that have changed and
things that haven't changed.
Like, the thing that hasn't changed, and,
I'll to speak for my own experience and
and being in this process as well.
Is how important it is to
how to to keep building on our relationships,
and to keep nurturing our
relationships of our
professional and personal
relationships
because they
when I I look back on on the
jobs, and I'm curious for you, John if
this is true for you too. Well, when
I think back on the jobs that I've
I've had,
it was usually because of a a
relationship.
Somebody I knew that knew somebody,
You know, it was like, it was, like,
1 to 2... Like, that job was just
1 to 2 degrees of separation.
You know what's funny it's
now
why I would say some of my clients
or a lot of my private clients have
come from previous
employment
relationships.
And Yeah. Although then when I but... However,
when I think of the jobs that I
had,
Most of those were cold.
Most of those were were not actually people
that I knew.
Let's see. My first job at college is
cold. The second 1 was a recruiter
And then the other 1 were were more
cold, like, just... I got a contact from
somewhere. I reached out.
But what you're saying is what I'm encouraging
people these days because a lot of the
things I'm hearing is people are applying to
jobs on Linkedin.
Or
Linkedin slash online and then
hearing nothing, and it's not working for them,
And then my challenge is. Okay. Well, if
that's not working,
what... You know, can we can we add
a human element to this? Who do you
know? Who can we... Who can we be
talking to? Yeah. Yeah. And even, like, when
you speak about your recruiter, and I remember
getting a job...
Many years ago through a recruiter as well.
But even that recruiter is just a couple
degrees away from the job. Right? Mh. So
they have the connection and you have the
connection to them, and they get to know
you.
So in a in the way, in that
way, it kinda speaks to that, then And,
yes,
certainly,
once in a while, some random
things can happen where it's like, I just
applied it online and I got it. Like,
I heard about a... A coach. I was
talking to a coach the other day who
applied... This was 5 year... But 5 or
6 years ago, and she applied to
an executive coaching
job within a a very large corporation,
and and she got it. Now does that...
Is that a
is that a
common occurrence? No. That's that's probably more the
needle in the Haystack and what you're speaking
to, A lot of people apply for jobs
on Linkedin and it just, you never hear
anything.
Mh.
Yeah. Yeah. So III
find that, like, how, you know, whether it's
as a coach and you're creating clients or
you're in your own business and building clients.
There's something
there's just something about the human connection that's
like, oh,
There's, like, a a almost like a built
in level of trust.
That's that's there.
So how are you finding that this
newsletter that you started sending out is building
relationships?
I have found... It... It's been surprising. So
the very first 1 I sent out. I
had a... Because it was new. Right? I
had a lot of response. Like, go Tammy,
or
or, hey. I have this connection. I want
you to talk to... I wanna introduce you
to this person that I know. So I
I have received a lot of of connections.
So I've made, you know, and
I would prefer to have a lot of
those connections on my calendar and spend more
time there than in the world of Linkedin
and applying for jobs.
And in and again, it's... It goes back
to that
that building just building
relationships. And and then in as importantly,
tracking all of that. So
which we can talk about too. But the
email itself, I
I made it personable.
I maybe... I shared a story
about, you know, where I'm at what I'm
looking to create
and then I put the request in there.
Here's what I'm looking for from you.
And then here's what I... What I can
provide
as I can be a resource for you
as well. So it's it's not that I'm
just asking for something,
and that's it. I'm also offering as well.
So it's a get... It's a it's a
both giving and receiving.
How many of these have you done? Like,
how many of you sent out?
I have sent out
maybe 6 or 7.
So not a not a lot. Okay. But
what I thought was great about it, because
even I hadn't talked in
maybe a couple years.
Yes. And
Anyway, we were talk... We talked,
and then you sent this to me, I
I don't know. Maybe a week later.
And I was I don't know. I was
touched by it on so many different levels
that I was just let. My client should
be doing this or anyone looking for a
job should be doing this This is so
easy.
And what I... So,
yeah, I'm just curious to know
where
Like, what's the...
Well, I I do wanna say too. When
I received it, I was not put off
by it. I was not like,
Tammy like spamming me with this
email? Like, it was it was more of,
like, oh, this is such a great idea.
It's
And it's... What I love about it too
is you're just sending it from your Gmail
account. Like, you didn't sign me up to
mailchimp or some
mail platform. It's, like, coming from your email.
It is. It is. So I I thank
you for saying that all of that,
it's...
It can be super really simple.
And,
you know, if you look around
again... For anybody who might consider doing this,
and I I do highly recommend this if
you are,
in the job search mode is to consider
doing this. And if you want, you can
reach out to John, and and we can
get you just what I've sent, so you
can have something to work off
as a as a sample,
and it can be that simple, and it
now it it takes me about 15 minutes
to write the next 1. And I might
even include a picture. Like, I included a
picture of my dog, Maggie as and I
included a story about, you know, tying that
into the job search. Like, it just... It
can be really fun, but it it it's
really meant to to be
you know, your calling card, like, who you
are. So you can... If you're a funny
person, then, you know, have some fun with
it if you're if you're really creative and
be creative about it, it can be that
simple. And
I think the important thing is is, like,
to have... Think about all the people in
your in your circles, whether they're in your
inner circles or outer circles or further out
circles.
Think about all the people out there, and
you just never know
who
has somebody they'd like you to meet,
and you can... Even if they don't,
Like, they can just be silently
cheering you on and rooting for you, and
that's important too.
Where how did you get this idea?
I got this idea from
the coach that I'm working with as well
as another coach, and I think it is,
depending on the career... If you are working
with a career coach,
they might say, hey, this is... You wanna
send out an email update.
And so I just took a little bit
from 1 coach a little bit from another
coach and then I just made it my
own.
And I recommend to
the... I send them out every 2 weeks.
Some people send them out weekly. Some people
send them out monthly. So there's no
there's no perfect formula for it. You can
you can just check in for yourself and
see what feels right.
Well I loved about it too. There so
there's... I'm looking at it now. There's, like,
here's what I'm up to
And this 1, there's a picture of you
in your dad playing golf.
Then what I left is there's, like, some
built in accountability or that's what I... That
was my interpretation of some of this. Like,
you talk about... This is what I'm emphasizing
next week. This is what I'm gonna be
doing.
Then this is what I need.
And then you offer to help, Whoever's reading
it. And then what I even liked... But
I thought was really cool, was even down
below, you list the specific places that you're
applying.
As well as the ones that you previously
applied to.
I'm guessing the ones that have a strike
through the ones that
didn't go anywhere or done or something,
Correct. Correct. And I include the link of
the company. Yeah. So I include a hyperlink
for the company. So somebody wants to look
through it.
They can click on the hyperlink.
Because again,
if I list the companies that I'm applying
to or have applied to, and maybe somebody
knows has a cousin that works for 1
of the companies on my list, then they
they could make an an easy
introduction. Right? I mean, what's greatest is now
you and I are competing for some of
the same jobs. I'm kidding.
No competition, John. I there's plenty for everyone.
That's why be it. Hundred percent. A hundred
percent.
Yeah. I guess the other thing that that
what that I thought was so great and
that I wanna encourage people
is
that...
You did not ask me if it was
okay if you sent this to me.
You just sent it.
I did. I thought that was kind of
courageous. I thought it was kind of
guts, and and I wasn't offended. Like, I
think a lot of times we would make
up a story of, like, Oh, I could
never send something like this to Tammy because,
you know, I didn't talk to Tammy to
see is it okay if I send you
this
thing of what I'm up to and my
request or help. So, that'd be a little
spam me. I better not do it. But
since... You just did it, and I did
not receive it as spam.
Oh, that's good. Because III
certainly
my first couple that I sent out, The
first couple emails. I sent out. I believe
me in my mind, I I had all
that conversation going on, like, oh, I'm gonna
be in ent on somebody's you know, in
their email inbox, and I know how much
everybody already probably received their inbox. And I
I really grapple with that. That was that
was not an easy
easy process for me. And and then I
just got over it.
And you didn't... Yes. And there's no big
apology at the beginning or, like, hey, I'm
sorry to, like, You're just like, hi. This
is what's going on. And then I thought
it was great at the very end, you
just say, if you wish not to be
on this email list, and me you know
and It'll take you off. This is the
best part. No questions asked. I promise. I
was like, oh, yeah. I totally believe you.
I could've have easily just written back and
said, oh yeah, Please take me off, and
you wouldn't have cared.
Yeah.
Yeah. Just make it make it easy. I
think it's always
good when they're sending out that kind of
email. Always
have the permission in there. Like hey. Always
permission to say no.
Totally.
What are some other things that you saw?
Other people include that you chose not to.
I don't think there's anything
that I see in other... Because I do
receive
these kinda emails from other people. And I
don't think... I haven't seen anything that I
don't include in there. It's more just style.
I think everybody has their own style of
their email, and it... Which is great because
we want it to be a reflection of
us. Mh.
Yeah.
How many people have said they don't wanna
receive it?
Nobody.
Really?
Nobody.
Wow.
Yes.
I I know of somebody that's also
in in this group of the of the
career coaching, and she has a list of
over 200 people, which is
amazing. I don't have a list that big,
but she has a list of over 200,
and nobody has said that they don't wanna
a receive her email.
Now
1 thing about sending because
that's important to note on here is that
It always put everybody in the Bcc. Yeah.
Because we don't need to be sharing
everybody's emails. That's... Really that would make some
people mad. That would make some people mad,
and it's and it's just too much junk
in the in the body the email anyway.
So sometimes what can happen is that when
the list is that big, it can land
depending on... In somebody's email, there are filters,
it can land in somebody's spam folder.
But I think that's just part of the
of sending anything out like that, which just
make it okay.
And
but... Yeah. Over 200 and nobody said that
don't send it to me anymore. That's so
interesting. What's like been the most
surprising or interesting thing that's come as a
result of sending this out
besides my reply.
I would say the
level of support,
and and the...
Like, all the resources
that have come my way to reach out
to people to consider this. I've had people
send me job postings.
I've had
people
invite me on a podcast.
That's you, John. And wow. So that was
late to the game.
No. It was you. You were the only
1 who invited me on a podcast.
So III would say the level of support.
Like, it was just
It was really...
It was just great feedback. Mh. To receive
all that.
You know, we we don't walk around.
Acknowledging people or friends or people that we
haven't talked to for a long time like...
We don't walk around necessarily
acknowledging people or saying, hey, I'm rooting for
you because we don't really always know what's
going on in people's
in in their lives unless maybe it's on
Facebook or something.
But this is very... This is this is
very specific. And
So it's been... I I I'm really a
a fan of, like
like, doing this more.
Well, what I'm also seeing here and a
lot of the people that I talked to
is the whole loneliness
of the job search process.
They... They... Either lost a job or they're
looking for job and they spend their whole
day sitting in front of the computer
applying for jobs. And it's lonely. And this
seems like, you've
intentional or not created an antidote to that?
Yes. Yes. There... It's it's it's a another
way of... Connecting and building
relationships. And
I
I have so much compassion for that process
of sitting in front of a computer all
day,
and and it can be,
you know, where somebody's mind and where their
thoughts can go when they don't... Hear back
from somebody or they receive a no
and just having
some kind of support, but also
engage, like, finding a different way to engage
in the whole career search process.
Applying online is 1 part of it,
This is my opinion on this. I would
say making the networking and building
relationships,
ideally would be a bigger part.
Maybe 70 percent
and 30 percent, I'm just throwing these percentages
out, but making it a bigger portion of
you know, when I look at my calendar
for the week, how many conversations, how many
networking
conversations do I have on my calendar?
And how much time am my spending on
that. Mh. I think it's much more valuable
use of time. You know what I'm totally
gonna bus myself.
The the opportunity at Capital 1
came about as a personal contact.
She? And I think I think was it
wasn't it Ali that you took her position
in Santa Monica.
Is that was? It... No. It was another...
It was another coach, and and I found
out about it at a at its a
friend's birthday party.
And somebody came up to me who I
had worked with,
in a previous
job,
and
she was working with Capital 1 in a
in 1 of the cafes, and she said,
hey, we're looking for a money coach.
That's how that happened.
Amazing.
Amazing. Okay. And then you... I think you
knew El, El Gabriel.
Yes. Shout out to El.
So I had been talking to her. I
took... I did my coach training with her.
We were in some of the same classes.
And then she had somehow a long line
mentioned she was doing this cool thing with
Capital 1, and I said, oh, Are they
ever doing that anywhere else? And she said,
I think they're opening a Portland Cafe eventually,
and, you know, 1 thing led to another.
So
Yeah. I I don't know. I think
my sense is that times have changed. In
other words, the jobs that I got a
long time ago that were just you know,
applying and kinda of black hole.
I don't know. Maybe it's a technology
or the inter. I mean the Internet didn't
exist then
Right.
Dating myself.
But, yeah. The Internet didn't exist. So I
guess the volume and the ability to
maybe it worked better then, but... Yeah, now
it's just... There's just too much going on.
Yes. Yes. And, you know.
So there is something
that people are getting jobs online. I mean,
it's... It it it is working in some
capacity
And there is something that can feel and
be more empowering about
really creating your own
1 your own network, but also creating it's,
like, what your ideal job is, and I
know sometimes people just blast
many, many resumes out there without doing a
lot of research on a company,
and they just
looking at the job title and maybe the
job description
but there's something much more can be much
more empowering
about really just slowing down.
And getting not only clear about what's important,
you know, for each of us in
in how we wanna spend that chunk of
a time each day in a in a
career
profession,
but also
to look and see really take a deep
dive into the company
and and and get a sense of the
culture or or talk to people who work
at the company.
And and find out, like, what it's... What
is it like to work there? What's the
culture like?
Does that make sense? No. It totally does.
I guess where my mind was going was
so often when I talk to people, maybe
it's a stage that they're at...
The there, you know, it's been a number
of months since they were laid off. And
they're in more of that mode of, like,
I just gotta find something.
Sure.
Understandable.
Yes. And and and so that that could
be okay. That can be, you know, it's...
When I I got lucky with Nordstrom. You
know, I thought that was gonna be a...
Like, I just need income right now. And
ended up being a really great fit for
me. And so, you know, sometimes you just
gotta do what you gotta do to take
care of yourself
financially for sure.
And you can still do that and still
work on, you know, crafting your your ideal
career as well. So you can take the
job, at, you know, spend some time on
the other part of it, so that you
find something that really feels like a good
fit.
But how does swimming relate to all this?
I know Tammy is a swim, and I've
always said that fascinating.
I ill. I know. I do swim. I
swim a couple days a week.
And
there's... And it's a practice.
And I think that with anything
to get better at something
we have to practice. And we have to
learn that,
like, in swimming, it's a very technical
sport.
So there's a lot of technique to swimming.
So there's... In it... And
learning that technique and building on that is
a lifelong
endeavor. I mean, the elite athletes
are are amazing Olympia swimmers, you know,
Katie Lad and and so forth.
They're always learning. They're always learning and always
growing. So
I think that swimming as with any kind
of sport
that it's, like, once you start to learn
the techniques and you stay. But you gotta
stay in the practice of it.
And
it's it's very similar when
when you think about our careers
you know, and and over time, and to
me, the building
relationships is a great practice
to get into.
And to not stop doing that even when
you find your ideal job because,
you don't... You know, you might just be
in that position for 2 or 3 years,
and then you might be ready for the
next level. And if that... If the company
you're at doesn't have that next level for
you, then you want to be able to
go, oh, I have, you know, to really
have, like, all these relationships you've built upon,
and then you... It's so much easier to
put yourself out there and say, hey. I'm
looking for this next thing. What what that
next level for myself.
I don't know anything about swimming. It looks
like you just, like, put your arms and
kick your feet, Like, move your arms and
kick. But what's the...
That's how I used to swim.
I must have looked like a... I must...
I I used this... I never really took
lessons. I think I took questions when I
was like, I don't know, 5 or 6
years old and and the... For at the
at the local why, but I never took
I it was never on a swim team.
I was a late bloom, and I started
swimming about actually about 10 years ago.
And I started... I went to the local
community college was in Santa Monica, and they
have 2 amazing outdoor pools. And
I just started swimming laps. I didn't really
know what I was doing. I I knew
enough to kick and and move my arms.
Like, I had the generals
idea of of, freestyle swimming.
And then I saw... But a few lanes
over for... And I did this for about
a year. And I saw a few lanes
over in the morning.
I would see this group, and it looked
like they had a coach who was standing
up on on the edge of the pool
and coaching this... The group of people, you
know, 5 or 8 people, in a couple
lanes and
and they looked really good. They looked like
they really knew what they were doing. And
so I finally got up the nerve to
ask the coach. Like, what is this? And
he said, oh, this is the masters
adult master swim club, and I said, well,
what is that? And he said, well, you're
welcome to come check it out. Any level.
Like, any level of swim, and I said,
really? I said I don't know that I
really know how to swim that's. Okay. Come
on in. So that's how I got involved
in
in the Masters club. And then I I
learned how to
properly
swim, like, the basic techniques, at least something
to start to build upon.
So you just followed your curiosity?
I did. I just I I... It took
me a while. I had the curiosity, but
then it took the courage to actually ask
the coach what the heck was going on
over there.
That used to swim in the ocean too.
Right?
I did. I... And I I still do
once in a while.
Don't do that up in Washington state It's
too cold for my taste, but I am
doing a a ocean swim race at the
end of this month in Santa Monica it's
a quick swim.
And and, yes. Ocean swing is is fun.
It's not for everyone.
I I love being out there. I don't...
I'm okay with not
seeing what the bottom of the ocean looks
like. So it it's... Yeah. It's not for
everybody's taste.
But, anything else about
the job search,
selling shoes, swimming
or your newsletter or anything else?
Well, I would say that
for the job search, I mean, if anybody's
out there doing it on their own,
you know, to
consider
there's a lot probably. I I can't speak
on
off the top of my head. I'm sure
their Youtube has plenty, but
to really, if you've been just in that
process of just sending out resumes, and you
don't feel like you're getting any traction.
To 1 to
get some support,
whether it's the local... You know, there are
services
that are our local
that I imagine you could have access to.
There are
many great career coaches out there.
And also, you can do your own research,
and there's probably some online
educational type programs, you can just
take yourself through.
But if you're just sending resumes out,
And and, again, not getting any traction consider
just
looking at,
you know, when doing... Consider a networking
email,
to send out and and then start
looking around in your world and and
start asking for introductions to people.
Not
introductions to say, hey, Do you have a
job for me,
introductions to meet with people to learn from
them to
maybe they have enough a connection that they
could connect you with to share what you're
up to what you're looking for.
Not to be needy and say, hey, do
you have the job for me, but to
just to connect and build
relationships.
So people wanted to have a conversation with
you, find out more about you, reach you.
What's the best way to do that? Yeah.
They could find me on my can go
to my website on Tammy, TAMMI,
Scott, SC0TT,
tammy Scott dot com. You can put your
contact
information, and you can put a note, hey.
I heard this podcast. I'd just like to
learn more. And I'd be happy to have
a a brief conversation with you. Excellent.
Yeah.
And if you also would like just get
a sample of the email... Any of the
emails that I've sent out that I do
send out on a regular basis,
You can just ask for that, and I'll
be happy to... I'll I'll forward you or
put you on my list so you can
receive the emails. And then you can you
can take what you want from it and
build your own.
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