She dropped me off and said, okay. Sell
all day long and then hitch hi home
tonight. This guy opened the door goes, Hey,
you wanna ride. And I'm thinking... And I
said go I said, where are you going,
and I said I'm going to Paris. They
said, oh, we're going to Paris. We'll give
you a ride. So the guy opened the
door. Was 2 door car, and he leaned
forward for me to get back, and I
just plop down right next to him put
my my sales kit in my in my
lap. And they start driving out of town
and then the guy turned left.
And, now of course, it's pitch black. And
I literally open in the door. I'm dragging
my foot on the ground going wait. Stop.
A door to Paris, I pulled the door
closed, my
reaction was to not panic.
They're going 80 miles an hour. And now
I'm starting to really get the situation that
I'm in.
And as I'm seeing there, they just went...
Both of them went silent. They weren't talking
to me that weren't talking to each other,
and they were just gone 80 miles an
hour. And I just
suddenly felt this this
energy
washed through my body.
And
this
feeling
moves through my body in a way I
had never felt it in my life. And
I felt completely this
expansive,
like a gold radiant
energy in my body
and then a voice said very directly into
my mind,
love them.
Just love them.
Right now, on higher journeys with Alexis Brooks.
Well, hello, everyone. Welcome to hire journeys. I
am your host of course, Alexis Brooks, and
I am so delighted to be back with
you once again with a brand new guest
and someone that I know you're gonna love.
You're gonna love her because she's got... Well,
We're were just talking offline People love storytelling.
Right? People love to tell stories and they
love to hear them. Well, I have a
story for you. I have a story for
you that I'm going... To turn over to
my guest. Her name is Heather Noel.
She's a lovely lovely woman with so many
things to share. And, Heather, first of all,
let me just say welcome. First time on
hire journeys. We're happy to have you here.
Thank you.
Her I wanted be delighted to be here.
I mean, I am delighted you were here
because the story that you have is, I
I call it Journeys,
the improbable
journey because, you know, we think of life
is having
steps that we can see. We know that
there are always
unforeseen circumstances in journey and curves that we
don't expect to take, but this is a
curve
that, Heather's is gonna share with you that
you you probably would never expect. So... Without
further ado, Heather, I want you to go
into
your improbable journey and where it started, and
I believe it was.
The seventies, You were 19 years old, living
in Texas. Tell us what happened.
Okay. Look...
Before I tell you this, I wanna say
1 quick thing because
this is a near death experience. Mh. And
I just wanna clarify
that in the seventies
was when the book came out life after
life. And people start talking about life after
death, I didn't hear about this until the
eighties,
but
all of the people that are talking now
about your death, the experiences for the most
part are people who actually physically
died
and
I believe that this was kind of taken
away. I was doing director to research. I'm
not gonna get into this, but I just
wanna say that this was truly a near
death experience. I didn't die.
But
I just wanted to clarify that. So that
if anyone was like, like, that she die,
I didn't, but I'm very glad I didn't.
But yeah anyhow, here's what happened. I actually
grew up in Illinois,
and
I was going to the university of Illinois,
my best friend had been doing door to
door book sales the year before.
And for a company called Southwestern.
And so she's like, oh come, you know,
come sell with me and she was in
Texas, and
everybody goes through a week long training slash,
little bit of brainwashing kind of thing. And
so you're just ra ra ra. The minute
you get out of there, and you can't
wait to start train, you know, going out
and selling. So I get to Texas,
and the first and there, my sales manager
takes me in her car start from Paris,
Texas down to a little town called Cooper,
which is called Copper and Texas.
And
She dropped me off and said, okay. Sell
all day long and then hitch hi home
tonight.
And now I'm 19, and I have to
tell you I grew up with horses. I
grew up in the country. I was pretty
fearless. I, you know, had thousand pound animals
I dealt with, so I... I had no
fears at all, and I would walk him
in the dark. So I was like, okay.
I'll go... You know, I'll be sure I'm
on the road, well, while it's light.
And as I'm going through
trying to sell my books and people would
start to talk to me, and I'd say,
oh, yeah. I'm pitching home hitch pitching a
right hold They're like, are you insane? Do
you know where you are? And now mind
you the town I grew up in was
called Carrie it was 45 miles northwest ship
Chicago. It was so tiny that there were
no ethnic minorities.
I had 0 prejudice
and 0
comprehension of what Prejudice was all about at
all, Nothing.
And so
so
I had no intentions of I was gonna
be very careful, fit the right car. Well,
went back to the place where she dropped
me off, which is right off the main
square of the town. It was a straight
shot from Paris to the straight. I to
the square, and I'm standing there,
and
I get there at 05:30 at night
at 10:00
I was still standing there and nobody not
1 person had driven out of the town.
And I didn't find out until the next
day,
that the a highway had been built around
the town. And I was from such a
small town that never even occurred to me
that there was any place else I just
thought. Gosh, nobody goes anywhere. So we were
taught not to call home. I was not
given a phone number or an address where
I lived. Gosh And I just didn't know
what to do and I was 19. So
at 1 point, these 2 black men pulled
up, This guy opened the door goes, hey,
you wanna ride, and I'm thinking, and I,
he... I said where you going. And I
said I'm going to Paris. And they said,
oh, we're going to Paris. We'll give you
a ride. So the guy opened the door.
It was 2 door car.
And he leaned forward for me to get
back, and I just plop down right next
to him put my my sales kit in
my in my lap and they start driving
out of town and then the guy turned
left. And And, now, of course, it's pitch
black. And I literally open the door. I'm
dragging my foot on the ground going, wait.
Stop. I'm go to Paris. And he's like,
what's bed with you, girl. I'm going to
Embarrassed, and I went... And I pulled the
door closed because there was... He was going
faster and faster. There was no way.
I pulled the door closed,
and I have a whole background in acting.
So, I just went... Oh, well, thank goodness.
I thought you were going the wrong way,
and I just started playing
along, and the guy sitting next and maybe
going, hey, baby. Gave me a little sugar,
and I went,
Sky really this desperate. I mean, couldn't you
set him up with somebody else? Like, right.
I want... I'm gonna stop you right there.
So at this point? Because this is a
full story, guys. At this point, when you
said what you said, you had... You knew
something was going on and you just checked
in. Okay. Yeah. I mean III
tried to jump out the door. I knew.
I knew exactly what was going on. Okay.
But
my
reaction, Was to not panic. That was my
initial reaction was don't panic, just play along
with this. It was really quick. Right? Mh.
Well,
they chatted with me for a little bit,
didn't get anywhere, and
they're going 80 miles an hour. Mh. And
now I'm starting to really get
how
the situation that I'm in. And
had lived in cities well not really lived
in the city, but I've been in cities
before
and I always thought that was scary to
be in the city. That is nothing compared
to be in the country where there are
little dirt roads, that every few miles so
that the tractors can go and... So... And
and this was high season in terms of
the corn was high. If they had pulled
up it, any moment, no 1 would see
me. No 1 see the car, no 1
would know it happened to me.
So I'm aware of this.
And as I'm saying there, they just went...
Both of them went silent. They weren't talking
to me. They weren't talking to each other,
and they were just going 80 miles an
hour, and there was nothing.
In fact, the 2 houses I saw were
a quarter of a mile off the road.
There were these ranch houses, and that was
it, and there was nothing out there.
And
I didn't know when they were gonna do
something,
and I just
suddenly felt this this energy
washed through my body.
And I have to tell you I was
raised in meta physics. And so my concept
of God was based on the idea of
it. Of god being principal mind soul, spirit
life truth and love. So all spiritual, there
was no guilt or and shame, and nothing
in my in my background. So I always
had this beautiful
understanding of God as love.
And
this
feeling
in moved through my body in a way
I had never felt it in my life.
And I felt completely this
expansive.
Like a gold radiant
energy in my body
and then a voice that very directly into
my mind,
love them.
Just love them.
And so I sat there and I just
focused all my energy on love.
And I began to imagine them,
being loved as children having this loving
relationship with people
being
just just love, You know, Like, I just
surrounded it. And I... But I was sitting
there doing this. And, you know, I thought
that they were driving for 20 minutes, but
when I was thinking about this because I
hadn't really thought about it for a while.
When they finally...
Here's what happened. They drove for... I would
say probably
at least 40 minutes.
They came to a t in the road.
It was paris to the right something else
was left. They turned left. I did and
say a word. And now, you know, now
I know that, like, like, this partner is,
please please please let to write because they
really are good people in and So now
I have to really redo double my efforts
to be in this place of love. And
so I'm there again,
they come again to another tea, and there
was the first house that I saw, and
we had been traveling
for probably an hour because
I remember that...
Okay. They turned... They slowed down to go
left. And because they had no idea that
I I had no resistance. I wasn't
I wasn't panicked nothing.
And I was able to literally jump out
the door, and they didn't expect it because
I didn't act like there was problem.
And so the 1 guy who was sitting
the accident he tried to hold on to
me, but I heard the driver as I'm
jumping out the door, I heard him say,
let her go.
And to this day, I do not remember,
I remember jumping from the car, and I
remember running, and I have no... I have
no memory of landing.
Just like I'm running. That was it. So
there was some kind of shock in there.
But when I went to the door of
this house,
and I pounded on the door and they
goodness they were awake. They let me in
and
and basically,
you know, I still wanted to believe I
was just that that naive. I'm pointing in
the direction where these guys are like, I
go, can you just? Paris. My goodness. So
they said, no hon, there's nothing out there
until the main highway.
So they were taking me out somewhere to
some main highway who knows what the plan
was, but,
that
that was my experience. Yeah and
because
my body was so
in this state of
you're gonna die, Heather. You are gonna die.
That it was really amazing to just have
this energy fill up in my body and
feel it.
But there's something I haven't told you yet
because
I ended up leaving and going to Florida,
to stay with an ant of mind who
lived in Jacksonville Beach. And she was...
She was just a very kind person. She
was wasn't a real ant, but I've everyone
called her aunt clara. And so anyhow, I
was staying with her.
And I had been there once before, and
I used to...
Walk on the beach all the time, and
this 1 day I went out,
and
I'm from illinois. So
I've seen, you know, well, this was an
unusual thing. The head was called a shore
break, which is, like, a 10 foot rate
wave that's right off the shore. Like, you
could just
swim right out there and begin it.
And,
you know, I had seen people
have surfboard boards in those things. I'm like,
wanna go swim in that.
So
I started swimming out there. And
as you can imagine, I got caught up
in the under toe,
and it would pull me out and then
the wave would crash over, and I dropped
down, and it kept doing that over and
over and over.
And then the same love energy build up
my body again.
And and I I literally
felt
this peace
and this love and this absolute
conviction
that I was not going to die, Even
if my body died,
I knew I was not Going to die.
And I was in this state a love
where I truly didn't care. I just didn't
care. And not in enough, like, I don't
care about my life, but just like, this
is great. I
I would call it a neutral space. So
I'm gonna interject because you've got so much
here. So we've segue away from 1
scenario
where this all per.
Frequency of love is what I would say,
Heather,
came over you, which literally saved your life.
And now we're cutting to another
improbable
situation where this identical so it was replicated.
Right? So, Heather, let's continue on this road.
You obviously,
are
dealing with
very, very dire circumstances, but this all per
energy that we're calling love, of frequency of
love, has taken you over and once again,
save continue with the story with what happened
in the water.
Well,
you have to understand that when this is
happening if you most people happily haven't had
this experience,
but it it gets overwhelming really fast. Because
the minute you get up and have the
opportunity to get some air. It's going over
you and push... And it doesn't just it
is so huge that it pushes you down
into the water.
And by the way, this was a very
unusual in Florida.
But it happens obviously because it did. In
any case,
this this feeling of love just took over,
And I would take a breath, and then
I just flowed with it, like, like the...
Like, if I got pushed down, I didn't
fight at all. And I was really
percent okay with whatever was going to happen.
It just mh that feeling of love had
me also feeling that whatever happened is perfect.
And that was the energy I was in.
I was feeling that love again, and I
was so happy to feel it again.
And
literally,
I within about 10 minutes.
I was literally pushed back into shore.
Pushed in.
I did not swim. It pushed me back.
And I I looked at this later and
apparently, there are, like, know, there can be
circular thing was going on. I don't really
understand it. Mh but
it was pretty amazing because Mh. I did
nothing. You I did nothing.
And
that is 1 of the things I have
learned. If you're in a really
intensive,
Fearful
situation, don't try to push against it. Absolutely.
Well, just like a rip tie. Right? They
say you swim with the the tied not
against it. I have to bring something this
is just incredibly powerful,
Heather. And, obviously, I'm I'm very
curious as to why certain individuals
have these experiences where they magnet
these sorts of scenarios
only to overcome them and and and learn
something from, obviously, you're gonna share with our
audience what you've learned and what you're sharing
with others, which is incredible. But this... These
2 incidents remind me of,
a story that was told to me by
an individual named, Michael J Carter. He's
an experience, sir, we we would say in
the Et Ufo
Realm,
who
tells a story of having a gun pulled
on him, many years ago in New York
City.
He was comparing that to the fear that
he has had with contacting encounters, but he
said, the only thing that gave him more
fear was when he was mug and a
gun was pulled on him
you know, a a close range got his
head, literally. Mh. But Heather, what he described
is so similar to what you described is
almost the sustained sense of... It's almost a
neutrality. It's almost... It's a feeling of just
complete letting go. They say let go and
let god. But he said that
some people describe things moving in slow motion.
But for him, it was almost he described
it almost as a blissful state
of complete detachment and full trust.
Would you describe your situation to be some?
It's exactly what it felt like. And and
there's 1 other thing that happened on the
beach I wanna share with you.
And this was such a beautiful thing to
me because
I I used to just walk on the
beach at and I I was... Like I
said, completely fearless.
And my aunt was always panicked.
But but she would just, like, pray for
me. And she didn't tell me that I
shouldn't do that. You know, Guess I was...
I was old enough to do what I
wanted. But
but after my Texas experience, I I was
I would stay in the light. I, you
know,
like, if I went out at night, I
was always under street lights.
And
1 night,
I got caught up in the moon like,
I'm walking down the beach. Now this is
about... This this 19 77,
and there were no houses at this point
built on the beach where I... Where I
ended up walking, and And all of a
sudden, I hear a man's voice calling.
And I'm I'm looking down the beach, and
I'm looking around me, and there's
nobody. There's... I mean, nobody anywhere near me,
and there's no houses,
and I look ahead and I think it.
And then I see this
this shape in the laying on this sand
and the, you know, the water's washing up
around it. And I think some got guy
calling his dog,
And then I realized it's a man,
and he's calling me,
and he's saying,
I've been kidnapped.
Police call the police, and I kids you
not, they were bushes along the side, and
I was wearing
y'all about, but because he didn't asked me
to come and help him.
I felt, like,
totally compelled. So I walked them to him,
and it was to
a very large black man. I mean, not
fat, but paul, like a big guy. He
was laying on his side
with his hands, his wrists,
and his ankles were tied together. Oh my
goodness. Mh.
And I immediately un tied him and helped
him. He could barely walk. And he said,
I can't tell you too much, but I'm
so grateful to you for saving my life
and
and let me just tell you what happened.
And basically, what I gathered from what he
told me was he he was from Detroit,
Michigan.
And he had testified in court. So I'm
assuming it was something to do with the
mafia.
Like I said, he didn't give me details,
but part of the deal for him and
was he had to join the military. And
he did, and he was stationed in Jacksonville.
And I think he had just gone through
basic training, and I don't know where that
was, but this word's a down station.
And he was just out at some little,
you know, normal that you do on the
street where there were a lot of people,
a lot of people around, and he was
literally just thrown into a trunk
put into a boat, thing taken out to
the ocean where he couldn't even see the
shore. My goodness. They tied him up and
threw them him into the ocean. And I
thought about that... Well, why wouldn't they kill
him, but you see they wanted to torture
him? What a great way to torture somebody
Okay tied them up.
And he couldn't swim. He couldn't do anything,
but somehow he ended up on the beach
being washed into shore. Did he explain how
he ended up on the beach? At did
out of the water?
He was just literally pushed in. He couldn't
get up. He couldn't move. He... The water
has literally pushed him onto Buried him in,
like, with you. I have to ask this
question my dear. You.
The I'm trying to find the right word
to describe the life that you've lived.
Tempted to call it a charmed life. You
of some, some descriptions are without words. But
as I... And this is not the first
time I've spoken with Heather, we've had a
I think a couple of conversations at this
point, but,
clearly, there is a pattern
of
magic that's happening in your life, and there's
a... Purpose. So I wanna... I I really
do... I wanna get... We wanna hear all
the stories, but I wanna get to how
you have used these amazing
amazingly powerful stories to help others, but continue
on, but I I had to to to
add that, heather because I do believe that
there are certain people,
that come here. We we I feel that
we all have purpose. There's meaning,
whatever,
life may bring there's purpose and meaning to
one's life. But with some like yourself, there
are clearly
hallmarks of you're here to help others, visa
a vis these incredibly powerful experiences that that
you've had? You saved somebody's life. Look what's
happened? And who knows how you've changed those
2
young men that kidnapped you in Texas at
the age of 19.
I
will never know how it may have changed
their life and their pattern. So I just
had to put my 2 cents for in
there. And and it's a good point. And,
you know, part of what occurred to me
when I was loving them.
Was I realized that probably the reason that
they kept driving with me was when they
abducted me, it was a spontaneous
thing. It wasn't planned.
And all of a sudden, this is my
belief that most likely the driver
suddenly realized the position he was in. He
didn't wanna look bad with his friend.
And if they did anything to me or
harmed me, they would have to kill me.
And and everybody knew this. Like, this was
not, you know, like, at that time, in
the seventies in Texas,
you know what I'm saying. So
I feel that,
you know, you could see that love had
embraced
everybody that he... That the driver was probably
relieved rather than trying... That they could have
gotten me back in the car and taken
off before anyone could do anything but they
didn't.
And so it it was
I know that that
this guy was saved from doing something he
probably didn't wanna do. Absolutely.
So,
anyhow, but but the thing that that really...
That I was aware of is that nothing
changed. In terms of how I saw people.
I just... I have always loved people.
And
I would say that 1 of the things
that it it... First of all, it takes
a long time to look back and see
these things, like, I didn't make. What you're
seeing right now, that's not how it feels.
But I... But I didn't do drama. I
never saw myself as a victim ever.
And because of that,
that's probably the reason that it looks like.
I lived a charmed life, and I have
more things to tell you about this.
But
I really want to help people listening to
this, make this connection.
A lot of times people avoid things because
they're afraid.
And
if you will step... If you feel genuine,
like, I knew I was in that place
for a reason. I knew that everything was
happening for a reason. Mh.
And
when you recognize that and then you respond,
this is what I came to a hundred
plus percent believe.
Is that there is literally
nothing going on here, but love. Mh. And
anything else you experience, you bring it in
through, and I'm gonna say this because not
many people understand this, so you can ask
me if this doesn't make sense. But basically,
once you understand that you are imagining
everything
into reality. So I didn't imagine these guys,
picking me up and taking me into the
country. But
I
I had a stronger
imagination, picking that I would be protected no
matter what. Mh. Right? I wasn't in a
state of mind that was like, oh my
gosh. And I'm so scared. I wasn't like
that. I was like, no. I am not
a victim. I will... You know what I
mean? I this really strong
energy around that. Absolutely.
Mh. I resonate with that. I absolutely resonate
with that. I wanna... I have to interject.
Oh my god, this is such a great
conversation. So many directions, and I know you've
worked
with... This idea of a, really using
imagination to bring things into station. I wanna
get into that. I wanna touch on, a
French philosophy by the name of Honorary Cor,
who talked about the mag no realm as
opposed to imaginary area, Imagine he believed was
dimension that we can literally
procure from
to create to bring into
this third density,
to create different scenarios. I mean, this is
really perennial philosophy, and it's something that I
I think that you do. I I agree
with you a hundred percent, but continue.
Okay. So
I very quickly because I think what happens
is that is that when you're willing,
to be in a state of mind
that is about love.
You get more opportunities
to see these things happen.
And
So what happened... Was after
I was in Florida,
I actually went to acting school in London.
And I came back and I went to
Minneapolis, and I got a job at the
Gut theater as a as an actress and
singer. And I was very
good belt it out singer. Right? So... And
and I went with
some of my friends to it. They they
were going to a gay bar and they're,
like, come with us, so I went, and
it was this building where you couldn't tell
that it was a bar. It was... It
looked like a deserted building. So you've had
to know it was there. And And so
we went in and we danced, and we
left in.
I was with 4 of them,
but it was 20 below 0, and it
was
Minnesota in January.
And so I'm hustling down the the sidewalk
ahead of them, and I'm about a half
of block ahead, and the 4 of them
are just, you know, chatting and walking along.
I come around the corner and a black
man and man and 2 Indians come out
of a doorway and the black man headache,
a knife in his hand and he goes,
I'm gonna cut your throat white bitch, and
I went, but b who knows That something
do any day. And that was my response.
That was my response.
Never occurred to me to be a victim.
And I'm dancing down the sidewalk, and and
I literally heard this guy go.
She. Like
I'm dancing.
That I don't know if they're behind me,
So I'm dancing. I'm singing. I get to
the end of the block. I turn around,
and here are these 3 men, So they're
standing like this facing me. So my 4
friends are like this standing right behind them,
and I don't think they even knew that
my friends were standing there. I turned around
and I go,
Are you guys coming? Come on, You know?
And the 3 of them moved aside and
my friends walked right through.
Now, at this point, I knew I was
on to something. I knew it. I was
like...
How long were you at this point, Catherine.
How old were you? I was 21.
So all of these things that you're telling
has happened in the span of about 3
years?
Yeah. And so
but it it it happened again because I
moved from Minneapolis to Chicago.
And this time, I was on the north
side of Chicago,
It was just tiny street. It was weird.
It it like, there were no people on
the street. It was 7PM.
Nobody was on the street, pitch black. No
shops were open. Now nothing.
And if Slack Man is walking across the
street from being backwards,
and I'm wearing a mint cup it was
a hundred dollars at a resale shop, but
it looked great in the dark, You know,
he's walking backwards and I'm, like, I know
what to do. I start singing, and I'm
going to match maker match maker make me
a match, and I'm going around the corner
but Heather. You picked the wrong song. I
can't believe you did that. So I'm dancing
down the street. Again, I turn around he's
gone.
And now I have this incredible
knowledge
that. And I am untouchable, and I'll tell
you why
because
I
refuse to see myself as a victim and
think about it. Don't victims always act like
victims. Absolutely. Right. If I went to, you
know, be in a in a Tv show,
and I'm supposed to be a victim, and
I did that they go I'm sorry. You
gotta go And I, like, do. But this
really works.
I think you're on something, Heather, But I
I have to ask this question. It's unavoidable
Go okay. And I don't know whether they
say that there... There's,
no, such thing as coincidence. I believe that
sync is a very real phenomenon. However,
you've given us at this point. 123,
maybe 4 scenarios, all of them very
dramatic that could have, ended with with dire
consequences.
Why
were in every case
an African American
male involved?
Do you think?
I have... And I don't say black america...
I mean, African American because I lived in
London and And, you know, there are a
lot of people who are not African Americans,
and that's why I say black as opposed
to, you know like Well... I'm just using
that for colloquially Yeah. But I 1 of
color. That... But you know... Yeah. Yeah. But,
you know, what's really interesting is and and
maybe you have some thoughts about this.
So my daughter and I, she's 27 now.
We were we were thinking about this. We
have some of our best friends a friend
in Bali,
my friend who I... Told you about who
his name is Leo. He and he was
in
the show that I was in
the Love Island
I was
the astro
I was doing couples astrology on the show.
Now, Leo black he, he's an amazing guy
and we have been friends all this time
for 18 years we're still friends.
And my daughter and I were like,
you know, there... It's interesting
that
these and and and our other friend who
is also black and Bali.
They are 2 of our closest friends, and
then we have another friend Kevin and and
they're... And I'm like, I'm
What is it that these men are so
interested
at such a deep level? Because as you
can imagine, I don't talk about meta physics
on a, surface level. And I get down
to it with people. And I go, this
is how you solve the problem and this
is... And they were, like, really, how do
you do that? And that's I became friends
with Leo Now he 20 years younger than
I am. And he was this, you know,
hot guy and all these hot girls he
got kicked off the show. We happened to
meet in the hotel. And the minute, I
started telling him about his astrology and and
about himself. He was all ears. And there
were people trying to save him from me.
I kid you not, like, the producer guys,
are you okay up? Like, is this woman
bothering. You know what is I like look
and handle things. Don't worry but and we
went... Like, he would take me places with
him and have these, like,
you know, moments where, for instance, I'll just
give you an example about, and I'm talking
about this. Open minded. This is what I
found. And I haven't found other men who...
I've come across that had this interest, including
my own husband. He was like, give me
5 minutes and then, okay, Babe... I gotta
go take a nap. You know? But these
guys were, like, this is awesome. We want
to understand this. Right? It's Yeah. And I'll
tell you more about Leo some other time.
But but he was like that he he
was all about whatever I had to say
he wanted to know, and he would implement
on the spot.
Okay. I will give you this example. Okay?
Because he'll help everybody. So he's telling me
in the car,
he's saying Heather on my my
manager,
I think would... But, you know, for being
it... He was an actor and all the...
And he was in he was in music.
And he said, my manager wants me to
come back
to to the Uk to audition for something
and do do whatever.
And and it wasn't an addition. Was something
he was actually gonna be hired to do.
But
the show had come up with something really
funny for Leo to do because he is
hilarious.
And so they they had this kind of
show that was going on on the side
even though he'd been kicked off the island
and he said, don't know what to do
And he's completely stressing out about it, and
I said Leo,
Let me ask you something. I said, what
do you want to do? He goes, well,
I want stay, and I said, okay. So
if you don't go back, what's gonna happen?
He goes, I, I said, are you gonna
are you gonna get in trouble? I... Are
they gonna fire you. Are know, I laid
all these scenarios with the no no. And
they said, well, then just stay. He's like,
my gosh. Yes. I'm staying. You Like that?
And it was just instant and he... When
I talked to him the other day. So
18 years later, he told me he says
I have remembered that for 18 years.
How much of an impression it made on
me. So
I don't know why color was involved, but
the point that I saw was it never
changed my love of people. It never could've
been a test. We don't know. It's just
an interesting... Continuity. And that it doesn't necessarily
need to be a sticking point, But if
you look at everything that happens in one's
life, nuance, or specific,
and you see a pattern.
It would make me want to look into
that a little deeper, but perhaps you have
the answer.
Listen. We have a finite period of time
and a lot still to get in my
friend. So what I wanna do, I wanna
go back to a very specific point you
made at the top of our episode. Where
you made a very affirmative statement about what
we know as the near death experience or
N nd. And now when you and I
had a conversation about a week ago, you
made that a a very, very strong
argument or sticking point in terms of what
denote a near death experience,
versus and after death experience. I wanted to
talk about that a little bit as it
relates. I know you touched on it having
to deal with both your,
Texas
kidnapping experience as well as the near drowning
experience. But go ahead and make that j
to position for us and draw a nexus
if you will or a distinction, I loved
what you had to say when we were
chatting offline.
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Well, I I actually I actually limited to
chat Gp this morning and had a big
long
conversation about this. Don't you just love chat
Gp I launched That Oh my gosh. And
so basically, what I talked about was I
said, so I'm talking about science and you
I've heard you talked before, and I know
that you feel free to
fill in any scientific words because I kinda
go. I
Basically,
What I said was
why did they call it near dust? And
it had this kind of blah blah blah
reason? I said, but wait a minute. What
This isn't near death, these are people who
have died. They are dead.
So isn't that term inaccurate.
And chat Said yes, it is.
And so I said, what what would you
call it? And basically,
here's what happens
they are... So... Okay.
Such, this is such a big topic. You're
gonna have to rain me in, but let
me just try to... That's okay. I'll you
when come on.
Go ahead, Heather. Go. Go.
No. Here's what... Here's what... Here's the only
thing that science can
study
is
stuff that they can prove the existence of
it
Now, this is a very interesting
issue for them
because
they cannot prove the existence of consciousness.
Right.
Okay? So
so now that means they cannot
study.
Or disprove or proved anything that happens once
a person has died or even before they
die because it's in consciousness.
Right? So they can't talk about it.
So let's suppose,
and this is what we
cat Gp and I both got to eventually.
Let's suppose that in the seventies, and wait...
Don't be about to oppose this part. I'm
telling you I was there, so I remembered
this.
There was this huge
opening around
people having the experience... Of dying and what
happened. Right? Every... So many people wanted to
know. And a lot of people were getting
away from religion, of but this was a
new area that people were like, wow. I
wanna know more about this.
Well, in the mid eighties, but all of
a sudden it becomes called a near death
experience. Now the company line would be,
well,
this the scientists wanted to study it, and
so they had to call it near death
and vetted it... But it's actually not true
because when I talked to Gp. I said,
well, what would you call this? Because basically,
what they can study is they study the
brain
up to, you know, and movement got brain
chemistry going on. Right? It can study the
brain up to the moment of death,
then they can study the brain
after
and what did they call it revival. So
that's what Gp said. So we have death,
and then we have revival. So up to
death, And then after revival, they can study
the brain. But they never are able to
look at the experience, but what they can
do instead.
And I believe most likely this was to
take people's
attention off of what is reality really.
Wow. And what and what is God. Now
notice this when people are having... When they
talk about...
I'm gonna call it a life after death
experience. I refused to call it an N
nd and learn didn't die. Okay?
How many people have you heard who come
who either didn't believe in God or they
didn't have a good relationship with God or
they thought they had a good relationship with
God. But now they're talking about God. And
you know how how God is 1 of
those things like, We don't talk about God.
We have to find another word, you know?
And
and I have had... You know, do you
wanna call it the universe, I don't care.
But what I know is how these people
will just say God.
Right. God, Jesus, you name it, They felt
it, and and they're talking about this. Right?
Now,
what science did by making it a near
death experience I saying, well, you couldn't have
died.
Right? Isn't that
otherwise, it wouldn't be near death. So they're
basically saying this person didn't really die.
We're gonna tell you the chemistry that was
going on in their brain, and it's just
going well, and it kinda the chemistry caused
them to have this experience, but they didn't
die.
Right?
Okay? And so it takes away
this experience that they've had.
By making it into something
quantifiable. They're, well. It isn't real, but let
me explain something about science
and I've just been learning this in the
last few weeks.
Science does not believe in god,
love,
imagination,
right anything that makes us human, they don't
believe in it. And so
They literally sidestep it, and they call anything,
this is called the forbidden question
is the question about, well, how can you
use your consciousness
to study something and then denied that consciousness
exists because you're studying...
I can tell you, Heather,
an interview that I did with a gentleman
you may know, Her. Who is a physicist
peer reviewed, his written peer reviewed papers, etcetera.
And we had a conversation, Gosh 4 or
5 years ago on location in Los Angeles
in which we were talking about consciousness,
having to do with,
and we were talking about, people that have
had serious brain injuries, but we're still able
to function with very little gray matter in
the brain. Okay. Right. However, in that conversation,
he talked about, not so many years ago,
you could not go to,
a science conference and even bring up what
we call the c word without getting almost
kicked out.
So, you know, it's this
annihilation of even considering
of that consciousness is a factor in their
studies. You know, I think it's even deeper
than the fact that they don't believe in
it. They can't quantify it.
They they can't replicate it. First, they can't
define it, but they certainly can't replicate it.
And therefore, it's off the table
because they don't have the instruments to measure
it. So... Do you wanna jump do you
wanna jump a little deeper into this?
Well, we've got a lot more to cover
and we're running short on time, my friend.
We're gonna have you back again though. How
about that? Okay.
Because this... Listen, guys, and I'm talking to
my audience as well.
We've have gone down so many rabbit holds,
Heather, and it's just... It it really forgive
the cliche, but it is... It's an endless
and yet connected journey, all of the things
that we're talking about I wanna touch on
your ideas on simulation theory. And then I
also want to culminate in some of the
amazing work that you're doing with others.
Taking all this life experience with this brilliant
mind of yours and how you've been how
you've been,
helping others. So I'm gonna jump ahead a
little bit. I wanna K
actually wanna go into your ideas, because I
think we... This is a good segue to
talk about your thoughts on what we call
is simulated reality. Simulation theory. And I wanted
to tell you about this is perfect. That's
perfect. See there we go. Okay. Simulated I
was I was raised in Christian science, and
I left the religion, but as I said,
I was raised with this. Beautiful
understanding of God. But there were 2 things
that... So Mary Baker the women who wrote
this book called science and Health. Absolutely. It
was published in 18 75.
And in 18 75,
she said
there is no matter.
And there is no death.
Okay?
Now, she was a phenomenal healer and many
of her students were as well, and a
lot of people don't know this, but her
book became the second most popular book in
the world. It was second only
to the bible.
I'm familiar with it. I'm... It's on my
books shell because my father's Studied it. And
I I grew up learning about Mary Baker
at. Absolutely. Oh, we're gonna have fun. Okay.
So
so I...
Okay. I have to say, Hi throwing 1
thing. Really quick and then we'll get back
to this. But Eventually
really wanted young people to understand how
this world works.
And I thought the best way to do
it was to write a story, and so
I did,
and
In this
context,
earth is a virtual reality. You're born into
the program,
your body is your avatar, and your bio
computer. Now here's the piece
that just came in, like, I was writing
this as a fun fictional story like, not
thinking I really didn't really understand. I've, like,
great idea.
And but here's how the binary code works
in a in a computer, it's zeros and
ones, right on and off on and off.
Well, in this story,
your body is your bio computer.
And the binary code is created by feelings
of love or fear.
And so
you are literally
seeing what you believe. And and and it
won't be like, like, when you dream, you
don't think what you're going to dream. But
there's no question that what you dream is
coming right up out of the subconscious because
you will recognize
that, oh, but I'm feeling fear in this
dream or I'm feeling happy in this tumor
or whatever it is, but but it's something
that you're familiar with. That's what you've been
feeling. Right?
And so
I didn't think much of it. I thought
I was really clever. And then when I'm
writing the story, I'm weaving in all these
quantum physics to make my point. And the
more I wrote the story I'm, like,
this isn't real. This is not real. I...
Meaning reality itself?
Itself. And so let me show you this.
Simulation theory add the berry
foundation believes this
they believe there is no matter.
They believe this is a simulation. They whom.
The the scientists,
that the people who believe simulation theory,
the the the very
foundation of it
that there is no matter
because it's a simulation. Do you do you
get that part of? Absolutely.
Okay.
And
so I'm really thinking about this.
And
I realized that Mary Bi eddie was basically
talking about simulation theory in 18 75.
Okay? Mh. But here's the thing.
Think about this is how you can understand
it. If you think about when you dream,
There is no question in your mind.
When you, you know, when you're in the
dream, you will believe it a hundred percent.
And I'm gonna tell you something that happened
to me only happened once, but it got
my full attention.
I fell asleep,
and I woke up right away in the
dream. I was in a little house. It
There was a table, and I walk up
to the table knowing for a fact, it's
not there. I know I'm dreaming. I know
it's in my consciousness.
I knock on the table. There and it
acts like a table. And I can't make
it not act like a table. And I
look underneath and everything is exactly the way
it should be, like, if you'd ask me
to describe it or and create a picture
of this table. I wouldn't have... I've been
like, well, I don't know. This might go
here. Everything was perfect.
And when I woke up, I realized
you cannot tell the difference. You cannot
tell the difference
Between what is
between what is a dream?
U. And you're waking
reality. You can't tell the difference. The dream
functions exactly like you're waking.
I have to... This just came to me,
Heather. Oh my God. So much someone just
going on here.
There is AAA
quote by... I believe her name was... Joan
Boris Saint who wrote the bat bought book,
minding your body your mind, I believe,
In which she said the body does not
know the difference the body does not know
the difference between what is real and what
is imagined
Mh. That also has hallmarks of the same
thing that we're talking about, meaning
that what we're with how... What the body
is reacting to
almost proves that it's a simulation because there's
no distinction between
real
and imagined
Right? Does that make sense? Oh, yeah. So
so
if you can get your head around the
idea that this is not real. That what...
And and if you look at anything going
on in quantum physics, it's so clear. Like,
how could it be real, How could the
physical
reality be real. And then act
the way it does, you know, like, how
can 1... You know, you don't... You you
probably know these things better than I do.
But the things that can happen like that
split test where
depending on whether... Experiment. Yeah. Yes. Yes. And
where it... The the...
This the
I forget how to but they had to
do with waves and particles and whether it
would show up as a wave or a
part of Well wave particle duality is what
it is. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. I knew you'd
be good at this. Thank you.
Yeah. But you've got... You you have the
gist bit. You absolutely do. Oh my god.
We gotta... We need to do a show
just dedicated on simulation theory. But I'm gonna
have you wind that up, and then I
wanna get into some of the work you're
doing as it relates to all this stuff.
Okay. So
so
anyhow,
1 thing I want to really explain, so
everyone can get the gist of this.
Imagine opinion you that you have... Like, if
you've had a sore throat or something, and
and notice that you imagine
what's going to happen.
Before it happens. So if you think you're
getting sick, you might go, oh, no. I'm
gonna get sick, I'll be in bed for
a week or whatever I'm gonna get it
cold. And someone else might go, oh, I'm
gonna some garlic, and this is that, and
I'll be fine by tomorrow. And each person
experiences
what they
imagined into reality. Yes. Okay? Hundred percent. So
so here's the thing. Quantum physics
basically says everything is
is energy. And and if in 1 of
the easiest ways to recognize this
is that the only
solid part of the adam, so to speak
is...
The nucleus, and everything else is empty space
and then the electrons. Right?
And,
proportionately, the distance from the nucleus to the
electron funds is the same as from the
earth to the stars. Mh. Supposedly, but let's
just well with that. So
from what I understand, if you put together
funds all of the nucleus of all the
human beings on the planet,
it's a size of for grain rice.
And if you put together all the nuclei
of the entire planet, it's a size of
a sugar cube. Mh. And everything else is
pure energy. Okay?
So the thing that science does not do
is they never tell you they don't define
the ed energy. So
I define it as love.
God is love. And so I'm saying that
this energy is love, and if I come
from that perspective,
that think energy here is love,
then it changes everything
because now we're in a simulation, you are
dreaming this, but here's the big And it's
really... It it makes perfect sense when you
get the hang of it.
What if we are going from 1
dream
reality
into another. Mh.
Right?
Well, that means that nothing ever happens that
is this horrible thing you think happened. Like,
you are going to wake up from it.
You are... So you are having... You're playing
this game here and the whole... Thing about
this game is not to come here and
learn.
You
you are god consciousness. You are love consciousness.
That's you. By. I'm with you a hundred
percent. Yeah. I I'm agreeing with you. As
a journalist, I shouldn't do that, but I'm
gonna go ahead and do it because we
have conversations here on hire journeys.
Look. All that you are saying and and
kudos to you for your incredible dis, but
this is really perennial
philosophy, Heather, you will find this frankly, and
every indigenous culture in their own form and
language, and even in many of our,
mono
religions in some form or fashion,
you know, this idea that... I mean, it's
the... Who... Is it the the Mayan? Or...
It's not the mayan. It may be... That
says,
reality is Maya, meaning an illusion. We go
from 1 level of a dream to another.
You could even take the work of my
dear friend Daryl El who channels Bash bashar,
who has said that repeatedly. We just had
a show a few weeks ago in which
talked about that. And so all of these
sort of
poetic articulated things and and in our ancient
checks to modern j are in... We
the same thing that there's really no difference
between the dream that we're told we're having
versus
you and I talking right now. This is
another level of the dream, but a dream
nonetheless. So Yeah Yeah. It's it's really stunning.
And here's here's why it's important to understand
that.
Because when you wake up from a dream,
it doesn't matter what happened, you immediately go,
oh, it's not. Real, and you don't worry
about it Do you. But you know, like,
in general, you recognize recognized, like, if you
go to your therapist and you say I
dreamed I had it
this horrible argument with my boyfriend? They don't
go well bring him in for couple therapy.
She says, or he says, how do you
feel about that?
Right? Okay. So this is the most important
thing.
You wake up
and who are not waking up into the
physical reality that you think you're waking up
into, you're shifting from 1 dream consciousness to
another.
And what that means is that no matter
what's going on in you're here now in
this in your waking world or your waking
dream,
if you will look at it like a
dream. So when my clients come to me
and they go, So this was happening to
me and dah. They say, okay, I'm your
therapist.
You dreamed to that, tell me how do
you feel about it? So and guess what?
Everybody has a feeling about it. Everybody, nobody
goes, why don't happen to feel... No. No.
They have feelings about it. Right? And we'd
start to work with those feelings Well think
about it. What if every problem you thought
you had, you brought it back to yourself,
recognize they with your own feelings.
And that you work on your feelings. You
don't try to change somebody. You don't try
to fix the situation. You just change how
you feel.
Absolutely.
Yeah. Well, this is this why it's so
important to understand this. Right. Think it up.
Well, the the the part that I think
is really fascinating of all this. It... Let's
go with this hypothesis that the the the
reality that we think we're...
Living as waking conscious reality is still just
to dream.
If you take the attitude, when you have
a dream and you wake up from the
dream say it's a nightmare, and you're like,
you finally realize it's a nightmare and you're
said saying I'm not gonna worry about it.
It was just a dream. Let's run it.
Let's j that to the physical reality where
something devastating happens. You realize it's just a
dream,
it will not have the impact that it
would had you
continue to sustain the the feeling,
that you had... Because now you understand it's
just a dream. So it isn't real either.
So question for you, Heather. Yeah. Does this
mean that
when people because people are dealing with Myriad
challenges in this physical dream or having, Mh
can they use this to apply
to start to
rem mold the reality, knowing that it's just
a drain. It's it's not a static fixed
state
very holographic graphic by the way, and the
way this is being described, but your thoughts
on that. Well
I have... I actually have a great idea
and
I have to just tell you that I
have been
in the giving business for a long time.
And I
something called... How to feel better when things
get worse years and years ago.
And
the reason I wanna to tell this is
that I I put it online for free
with this program called the giving game.
And by friend Leo, the guy from from
the the Love Island thing had a really
incredible experience where I just walked him through
some stuff that I do and he's in
Heather, you have to get this out there.
And so I created a real program, not
my kind of, you know, doing my best,
but I create a real program,
and I... You know, it's like hundred dollars,
not a big deal. However,
after I spoke to you
spirit comes right since Heather just give it
away. Give away how to feel better when
things get worse because... And I'll explain why.
Because even if you... Whether you do the
other program or not, and this explains other
things. But this
foundational
audio. It's 70 minutes long.
If you do it, it works and it...
And let me explain this because I would
love for people to know how to do
this because, you know, you hear inspiring things,
and you don't know what to do with.
Like, great. I love. I'm inspired, but now
what? Right? So here's what happened.
I met a man at a conference named
Wall Mint, and he wrote this book called
the results book.
And in it was a chapter or is
a chapter. It's out of print,
called it's called the okay concept. And he
calls it the greatest problem solving secret in
the universe and it is.
And basically,
it's a 20 minute talk
where He explains that you... If you let
things be okay, and you recognize this as
just what is.
Then you pull the
fearful negative energy out of the out of
it. Right?
And so you... And you just neutralize what's
happening.
So
I listen... I I realized that I wasn't
remembering these things like, I'm it. I go,
oh, that's right. I was supposed to let
it be okay, and I'd forget. So I
decided, especially being an actress and memorizing things.
I'm like, I am going to memorize this.
So see you know, I recorded the whole
thing. I memorized it. Oh, I didn't get
to the memo amortization part, and this is
what you're gonna find interesting.
You I listened every single day to the
full 20 minutes. Every day, it would remind
me to go it's okay it's okay? And
then 1 day something happened,
that was very upsetting for me.
And I've been doing this the whole time,
and it was something really simple. III
was with my a really good friend. I
had my baby worth the zoo. He takes
me to my favorite place on the creek
to eat lunch. And all of a sudden,
I realized I have to be... Up at
this del to meet her dad, and I
needed to get cash for him, and I
rushed up there, and I only have 1
day a week off. The rest of the
time I'm taking care of her and that
we got, I'm usually
I was usually working and doing massages and
things like that and paying the bills.
So I wasn't... Pretty exhausted in general, and
I get up there. And he's like, oh
thanks. Thanks for the money. Hi, Honey, Hi
I, you know, a baby memorabilia, and they
goes, hey, I'm not feeling like, taken her
today.
And I knew that he had done that
on purpose that he'd let me... Come all
the way up there with this money. And
my whole body was, like,
it's okay.
Just like that. And I was like,
Oh, god I didn't know anything. I didn't
know anything was gonna happen. I just thought
I was gonna memorize something, and my hope
body thought. I said, okay. Well, we'll just
go in the pool and go swimming. We
did. He joined us He got the police
says you know what? Now. You have to
understand. He had never done more than take
her 1 day a week for a year.
Mh.
And all of a sudden he says, you
know what?
Thank you so much for for taking her
today.
I will take her for the next 3
days if you bring her tomorrow.
I'm gone. Yeah.
So now I'm on to something, and I
start sharing this with people, and everybody starts
to have these amazing experiences take place when
they do the whole thing and I'm, like,
don't skip a day. So this is what
I wanna tell everybody. I'm gonna set this
up so that everybody can listen to it.
You can go do the okay concept yourself,
but here's the trick. Do it every day.
That... So I didn't know for 5 years
that I had created a new neural pathway
in my brain, which is what doctor Joe
Benz talks about. Mh. But here's the thing.
Nobody has ever connected this
repetition that creates the new neuro pathway in
the brain
with fucks the okay concept. They're talking about
meditation, but it's easy to meditate and then
go off and be your Health again. Absolutely...
Yeah. And it can work, but it's no
guarantee. Well, here's the thing.
This works every
time.
Nobody has ever come to me and said
it doesn't work because I would go did
you do it, and they go, no, I've
been too busy
So so that's how powerful it is. You
let things be okay. And what you're kind
of seeing from the stories I've told you
is that... This was my... It was like
that egg cracking open and
and just realizing that there was nothing I
could do, and I happened to just step
into that so that when the okay concept
came to me, it made so much sense
and and I was like, that's what I
did. Like, a lot of times
I didn't know what I was doing until
I looked back and I saw it.
The okay concept,
maybe the key.
To shifting
reality.
It is true. That just came to me.
Mh.
It is. And I can't wait for you
to try it. Oh, well, knew I was
gonna ask didn't you.
Tell us where people can get it. We're
winding down. So so, Heather, I know people
are gonna wanna reach out to you. Where
can they find you
where can they get this, tell us... Give
us the goods? Give us the goods? Okay.
Go to the results program dot com.
And there...
I'm I'm in the process of setting this
up right now, but it should be done
by the time anybody sees it, But it
will be there,
In fact, we'll we'll put a link in
the description box. So we'll give them a
specific link so that people can find that.
And,
The other thing
that came up that I wanna share with
you just really quickly
is
I had this beautiful audiobook called the game.
And it's really unusual because
I created it first
back in 20 17,
as a as an interactive audio game app.
And I did this because I wanted teenagers
to be able to have fun learning these
concepts.
And it was a great idea. The problem
was that the person who did all the
programming for me, it was done in a,
a framework
that didn't work, and and a lot of
other
you know, code knew about. I mean, they
didn't know at the time, but eventually, they
said, yeah, You can't use that framework.
And you have to, pay to keep the
app going, and I had everything free because
I wanted it to get out to kids
and high schools and all kinds of things.
And so ever since 20 17,
hey,
or, you know, whenever I took it offline.
Finally,
you know, people loved it, but it was.
It was just, and that's kinda weird with
you're playing a game and glitches out on
you. So I just took it offline.
Well, literally, after I talked to you about
Fact that this was only yesterday that this
hit me. All of this sudden,
I get this download. It's like Heather.
Not only do we want you to give
away the audio, but we want you to
give away this game and you can set
it up in Youtube. So I go to
chat Gp and? Is this? Possible.
Pieces. You bet. Inch of those here's how
you do it, and they give them the
binary choices on the end screen, and they
can choose a or b, and I'm going
oh my goodness.
Don't should just love it. Oh, my goodness.
You're gonna be there. It's all gonna be
on the results program. I'll make it so
that people can find it, and it'll be
in the link, and it'll be for free,
and I'm love. I did for people to...
Get to do this. And by the way,
parents,
there are so many parents who love listening
to this story. So you'll have the choice
of just listening to the story, or listening
to, you know, doing the gang. Right? But
but I have had so many parents
say that they listen to it with their
13, 14, 15 year old and they love
it because they get into these
conversations about everything that's in there, and it's
all this deep truth and the weird thing
that we'll talk about another time is that
it is narrated in second person. Mh because
I did it to be game like but
what happened, which we'll talk about later
is that it
affects people
in the most phenomenal way because when you're
listening to a story, the left brain takes
a holiday. It goes, okay. Whatever.
Now the right brain is taking in these
deep truths. Yeah. Right? Right. It goes right
into the subconscious.
And I had a neuroscientist scientist
explain this to me because all these people
were having these huge breakthroughs. And I'm like,
what is happening? And she said, Heather, you're
h digitizing them. Yeah. Right? That makes sense.
Feeling this. You were feeling that, and not
in a win it puts to sleep at
the wheel, but like, it's going straight in
because the left brain is going. Yeah. Whatever.
You I love that. And it's usually the
right brain that's very, yeah. Whatever. That's interesting.
Left brain is, like, pinging yank. Right brain
like... Yeah.
Or I long... Because it's an audiobook,
you can listen with your eyes closed
and think about it. You have nothing to
do, but
imagine. Yeah. And we are gonna get into
this imagine thing someday because oh my goodness.
Your imagination is everything, and I will save
this.
This entire world that we are in was
created
by gods in that nation.
And that's why when will go into your
imagination, you're getting into the element that was
that it was created in. So you're going
into
imagination and boom. You can change things
seriously.
And there's a thing in and in the
results program called Etc, which is emotional transformation
code. Yeah. We go hear people talk about
this. And it's... It's just amazing pick because.
And this is on your Youtube channel. Right?
Gotta give us your Youtube channel as well.
Well, yeah. My my Youtube channel. There are
some of those on there. But if you
go to the results program, you'll hear testimonials.
Okay. And these testimonials will give you an
idea. That this happens in 1 session, by
not going into analysis but into
imagination,
and it's like coding a game. Like, you
go in and you're always turning left all
the time and you play a game and
all a sudden you go right. Everything to
the left shuts down. You don't sit there
and worried about the... You the 30 years
that you made that choice that going left
and what happened going left, it shuts down.
You're going to the right You're having a
whole new experience, and that happens to people
in 1 session and they can learn how
to do it.
So what a repository
miss Heather Noel. And you have over there.
We're gonna make sure everybody goes over there,
listen.
We can go on forever, but we've gotta
a we've got it down. So people can...
Hurry up and go over there and see
what you're missing. This is fantastic. Thanks. Heather,
I am just so incredibly
impressed not only
with your stories. Well the stories are the
stories, but what you've done with them,
what you have done in service to humanity,
frankly,
that
stories is is just incredibly
important right now because a lot of people
are feeling so to spot. And if you
watch my show, you know, we've done quite
a few on the
let's just call it the the extreme challenges
that people are going through and the antidote,
of course, but things like this are what
people need right now and to be reminded
that
some of the the most powerful,
well, some of the most
heavy challenges can be solved in the most
simplest of ways.
2 words I will use that are everything
to borrow from you. Love
and imagination.
Yeah. And we have them both innate.
So let's use them everyone. Yeah. Heather I
wanna thank you for coming to hire journeys,
and god speak to you in your endeavors,
And Gods speech to all of you watching
out there. We love you so much.
Take good care.