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have for you guys to listen to
It is with William Puck, who is a
retired meteor neurologist
and a current Ufo
researcher.
Super,
duper cool.
We had a great conversation. He told stories
about different Ufo sighting.
His own research,
it was... It's just cool, man. I I
dig it. I love me some aliens.
So aliens. That's what matters. Ufo,
researcher, William Puck on hay human podcast.
Enjoy.
Hello.
Hey. Hi.
How are you?
Well, they're not too bad. How about you?
I'm doing well. Thank you.
You're in Montana. Right?
I am. House Montana.
In in Helena, Montana? In Helena? That's where
you are? Yep. Yeah. The Capital City of
Montana? Good fishing.
Yeah. You know, I used to fish a
lot, but
I I kinda got out of that. You
didn't. Yeah. I I'm too busy Chasing Ufo.
Well, I'm so excited. Thank you for being
on the podcast. I'm excited to talk to
you about it.
Yeah.
Now you
are you from the Seattle originally or what?
Yeah. I'm from Seattle originally. That's correct. I've
lived in Nashville 10 years.
Oh, what what do you do there?
A professional song, and I'm a painter, and
I do a couple podcasts.
Wow. Well, that's a pretty good,
bio. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I do a little bit of a
lot.
Yeah.
My brother travels to Nashville
our business from time to time. He works
for a company
called Maximus.
So... Okay. What do they do?
They developed software for the federal Medicaid system.
Oh, okay. Interesting.
Yeah. He
he makes a lot money. I never made
much money there.
Well, it's not everything. So... No. That's for
sure. Yeah. Well, let's get started.
I read about you online. And
I it actually...
I I tell the backstory here for for
the listeners that
I was in Seattle
visiting my family,
and I had taken some photographs in the
sky.
And when I went back to look at
the pictures, there was strange,
light, and or that was in the pictures
that seemed to be in a pattern different
from
what a normal pattern of something in the
sky would be.
And I thought, I'm and I send this
to someone who might know what this is.
And I found you online. That's how I
discovered you. And
I had posted the pictures on my Facebook
page and people pretty much immediately said, that's
just a weird quirk of the light that
iphones make,
which was highly disappointing I was hoping to
meet some aliens and go back to wherever
where I was actually from, but oh, well.
So telling about you. You
meteor neurologist with your career path.
Correct?
Yes. I... I'm a retired meteor
to
probably ent only because I still
I still do weather I'm a volunteer weather
observer.
I also have a first class weather station
and a
and a webcam
that looks at weather and also looks for
Ufo.
I actually got 4 of them, but 1
of them pulls up to the weather the
underground site, and
I collect rainfall data,
solar radiation, off violent radiation,
temperature pressure,
Winds speed and 1 direction. And do you
report that back to the news agency or
It it go it goes up into weather
underground
website. Oh, okay.
And if people have the app on their
iphone,
if they're close to my area,
then my site will pop up in their
iphone or their cell phone. It's called weather
underground?
Yeah. Whether they're underground. They... They're not problem
with their own by Iv Am,
but they do
you know,
they click weather data all over the world,
and I use it a lot for my
you a full research. Oh, how
Well,
for example, I'm working on a case right
now of citing and
a Portland Oregon area sure what can be
which is south a Portland of a a
video and photos taken of a
kind of a white Ufo that's sat there
for for 4 hours, and I'm looking at
the wins off data
to see how the
h object drifted. I'm also looking at adopt
radar data, weather radar data, which
is kinda hard to explain your list, but
the the weather radar runs in what would
call clearer mode in precipitation mode.
When it's in clear mode,
the
operator turns a gain up, so it detects
more
more information in the atmosphere. It'll pick particulate
birds insects.
I was able to determine from the adopted
radar that that that the
everything was flowing to the southeast, which is
way the object was going.
So in answer to your question, I'm looking
at weather data
to see,
make a deduction
of whether or not this particular object was
moving with the wind.
If I can prove it wasn't,
then I can d
probably wasn't a balloon or other flotation device.
If it was, it means it may have
been a balloon or flotation device.
So that's an example another example would be
to look at cloud heights.
Say, for example, your light you saw in
Seattle, let's just use that an example. Well,
perhaps it was a cloudy night. Well, if
a cloud basis were 5000 feet that I
know this thing was at least,
go higher than 5
feet. So you can... Then you can do
some angle or
determinations, and then you can make some deductions,
how big the was... So you just sort
of get into this data loop,
and
but weather is a very important
component to that. It's interesting.
What
what brought you from...
When was the logical step of going from
meteor person who clearly was always looking up?
To but to becoming interested in
unidentified flying objects.
Oh, I've been a meteor all just
ever since I got my advanced degree. Master's
degree in 19 73.
And I I first became interested in Ufo
and the
1 I took a job at the National
Weather service in Alaska. Do you know Alaska
as a weather forecast. And
at that time, Air force just released our
project Blue book report.
The, you know, a project Blue book went
from 19 47 to 19 69
was the only
official I use that word
emphatic,
government
investigation Ufo,
terminated 19 69,
So then you're looking at
a few layers later some books are written.
So I read project boot.
Well, there was 11000 sighting,
nearly 800 loan identified. Well, I said, well,
that's quite a few.
So I got interested in, and then
The Roswell incident sort of
made its way into the news around 19
80. I read a book on that, of
course, says. There's been dozens of book written.
And then
the 19 eighties, a lot of documentaries are
coming out in Ufo.
So, I wonder if I can research that.
So
In the late 19 nineties, I start doing
my own research. I bought my website up,
which is Ufo
Northwest. I urge your listeners
to go to the site WWW
dot UF0SNW
dot com. If they say something, like you
did, report it to me, a researcher it
So
that's kind of a bird's eye view of
my interest.
You know, I
I did get some interesting cases early on,
1 was the a copy of the alleged
majestic 12 documents, which is the
the committee allegedly approved by Harry Truman
appointed by Harry Truman under investigate Ufo,
and I had some documents. I thought may
have been the originals.
Of fortunately, the research working with lost him,
which was very frustrating.
And then I had some photos
from a a coworker over Uncle who had
had been deceased for some
25 years we thought may have been alien
beans,
and I'd I'd grease research that in detail
turns out that were hydro.
Babies,
un un uncharted hydro
babies. Could you explain what that means?
Hydro
is
is a disease where the
the flu builds up in the spinal corn.
And if it's not drained,
it'll cause the head to grow. Oh, interesting.
And they they have a they have a
function called
shu
where they they actually tap
the neck to spinal column and drain out
the fluid.
So it's generally not a problem for some
reason another,
that was not done or done in time
with these beings,
and they look like aliens.
And they had no sex organs
where they were very.
They run Gu,
they were burned severely.
Where... Where did you see this? This isn't
in a book?
No. I had the actual slides.
Taken by this,
my coworkers
Uncle
was x,
he'd been deceased 25 years. He was a
head of not every department, at Temple University
for years. Okay. And so he had access
to these... He he had these photos in
a slide box.
And when they when they separated out his
belongings,
my coworker father who was just brother
kept these. And then when he died
in my coworker worker found a slaves. Now
were they human... They were humans that happened
to have genetic
malfunction or...
I don't know if hydro is genetic or
not. I'm not a doctor. I think a
degree It is,
hereditary. Well, she you said that with the
Gen italia was not developed either. So I
mean, that's... Well, that that was pretty strange.
You know, the gen were very
or
or or nutty system, and that's never really
like the hands were formed. You know you
go out and on, but I've had several
doctors,
plastic surgeon
even doctor Cyril we, who's a very
famous.
He's on seeing an he wrote a book
and do it when a Ramsey. Forensic pathologist
look with these. He's the first 1 that
told me there were hydro alex.
I also posed a question to doctor We.
I said, I've you ever seen anything like
that before. He said, no, he hadn't.
And doctor We has done a lot of
auto tops.
The the strange thing about this case,
I believe they were Hydra valley
But the thing about it is is in
that same slide box.
There was a slide of an atomic test
on the Nevada test range
I went into the Atomic Energy commission,
and on their website, and I filed the
actual date of the test in the name
of the it was project dog, May 19
52.
Now in 19 70 when these slides were
taken,
those tests were classified.
They were not d
until many, many years after that.
So my...
What I term through pop and other re...
Ufo researchers like Nick Red and some other
guys.
The the military in the 19 fifties would
put out corpses
and these
close to these nuclear bombs and look at
see what
affects
nuclear radiation would have. It could've have been
that.
How
and he got the slides,
why he had them. Sure. Well, there are
course farms that are used now. I mean,
that's that's how
science figures out what happens to us when
we die, How the elements
affects bodies. Fbi uses that data to determine
how long bodies have been out in elements
and things like that. So I've had a
really interesting book about a Corpse farm.
I wouldn't wanna work there. I bet it's
quite.
Not very stimulating work and, you know, not
not not really
conducive to a good night's sleep. You know
Well, it wouldn't be not so much as
the detail of the book was that I...
This the first time I've ever read a
book that nearly made me vomit, which It
well, that's impressive on the writers side.
Right.
Those are those are a couple of cases
I got my feet wet
in the Ufo field. And then
and then in 2003,
I bought up my site
And I used to get
probably 3 or 4 reports a day.
I do not anymore because there's just so
many
civilian groups, including Von,
Nasa Ufo reporting center,
and people collecting Ufo report that it's fairly
competitive to get reports. But I get enough
reports that keep me busy,
and certainly,
you know, once in a while, I do
come across something that's
quite interesting and worthy of,
more in depth,
analysis.
I read that 1 of the first sighting
over Ufo
dated back to 18 nineties, at least as
far as writing it down or talking about
it.
I don't know whether it was in the
United States or in Europe. But
I mean, I was definitely before things like
Photoshop could fake it. So So
have you yourself seeing a Ufo? Your you
person... I. I have to truthfully say
I have never cited 1. I have
found them
on my security camera. I've...
1 time I was doing a Ufo
field investigation in Seattle, and I I had
a habit a shoot pitcher from the
the site in the
each of the cardinal directions. When I went
home and looked at the photo, I a
boomerang object in the background.
This would have been over
probably
I don't know. Bellevue is,
that particular area in the Seattle area.
I don't know what that was,
it could've have been a flotation device. Here
in Montana, I photographed photograph 1 with my
security cameras,
that I thought was kinda of strange. I
I got radar data from the Faa I
found a couple of blip,
radar blip right in the area when
I saw the object. Is it Ufo? I
don't know.
Can't explain it. Could have been something else,
but no. I have never seen on. But
I... You know, I'm kind of my my
own worst skeptic. I mean, I'm I'm fairly
inc when it
comes to seeing south. I mean, I really
am. I would prefer my researchers to be
skeptics, though because that way, you're not
destroying the evidence with your own mind.
Right. However,
Thinking... I I will say that I'm somewhat
gullible to... I mean, I
I do look at
information and
and I get pretty excited sometimes,
about
photos and videos and radar data, and and
even eye witness reports. I mean,
you know, the sky is almost the limit
in in and where in terms of awareness,
you know, of reports that I received,
very, very strange
encounters that some people have. Yes. So... They're
just. As well.
Alaska, I think Alaska is a hotbed. And
I mean, I've... When I was walking my
dog, when I hear Nashville, he's he's since
passed away, but this was probably 2 years
ago, and it was about 11:00 at night,
and I was walking him up on this
hill. It was quite dark out.
And I looked up, and there were 3
lights in the sky
that were quite bright, and I thought of
those planets.
And then I... As I looked and as
I watched them, they moved
together
all at once to, you know, together in
a straight line up, and then
down,
and then they were just banished. And I
thought, well, shooting stars don't going threes, I
don't thing, and they certainly don't have that
significant of a pattern.
I feel like so many people have had
experiences where they see something and I think,
not. I that can't be. But I mean,
I believe that there must be alien life.
My gosh. Who cannot be the only 1
our little tiny blip of an arm.
There must be. And Lord knows they've gotta
be smarter than us.
That's absolutely absolutely.
So
I get excited when I when I hear
people talk about it or see people as
I was joking at the beginning of this.
And you know I'm just waiting for them
to come back and say, oh, sorry. We
left you behind. Come on. You know?
Well, actually, you know, let look
just you you're citing that you just
outlined. I mean, I I can't explain that.
I mean it... It's obviously not a meteor
because it
it it moved in, you know, some abrupt
changes in direction. Yes. It's not satellites. Yes.
There are tri sat lights that the military
flies, but they're not gonna be changing direction.
So, you know, what did you see? I
mean, it's hard to say it and they
can't... It could... Perhaps it could have been
reflections of light from the ground. Although normally,
I would only to see that on cloudy
night or the...
Because it the the light needs to have
a background to retract the photons.
And you need, of course, a cloud is
or f photons. But normally, the atmosphere doesn't
do that unless there's fairly steep what we
call temperature inversion density and then some times,
but, you know, I mean, it it it
because you... It leaves you scratching in your
head with cases like that. So let's talk
about our Roswell for a second.
Has that all been d?
Is that now
all out in the open? The truth the
truth about Roswell is
nothing's been d
because nothing's been admitted it.
From the government standpoint,
Ras will never happened.
Really? I mean, there has never been
any
information from the federal government at all
related to Roswell.
Nothing.
0.
Everything about Roswell has come from witnesses,
from newspaper articles.
Right. From military people,
that
we're there,
but as far as an official
government
document.
There is nothing on Roswell. I think does.
Congressman been
Stephen Schiff who is
Dc who was district Congressman
from that
representing,
Roswell was included in his district
requested when he was Congressman
a government accounting office to do an audit
of all records with Roswell.
And all federal agencies that could have had
records.
They came back and said they had nothing
and that the were records that had been
destroyed.
Perhaps related to Roswell.
Now
I say that there was 1 document
and I'm trying to remember what it was.
That was recovered from a government archive that
was related to Ross
But a lot of the skeptics claim was
planted there by a Ufo researcher that never
came.
So
out of the government archive. So from my
standpoint,
I have never seen anything
released on Rosa. The only thing I'll say
ruth
about government documents,
when I when I work for the history
channel.
On the Ufo hundred series,
I I did research for them. I was
on a couple of episodes also, but
most of the... My work was research on
projects.
1 of which was Roswell.
And I I requested
weather data
for for
Roswell Army Airfield,
in July 19 47,
Can I got it? So though... Those are
records. Those are government records not ready to
the Ufo. The interesting aspect to that
As I believe it was on
July eighth or ninth, when allegedly the debris
was flown from Roswell Army Airfield the cars
will air force space
in Fort Worth.
On that date,
the weather observer was gone.
Gone.
Now, keep in mind, this is the rainy
season.
Severe thunderstorms pop up in south eastern or
New Mexico in July.
This is the only military base in the
world of the time had nuclear weapons
b 29 bombers, they had 12 nuclear weapons
in Roswell
at the time that the spacecraft allegedly was
recovered.
So why was the observer gone?
Now,
I took that information the time
because dark Jesse Marcel junior lived in Helena.
He handled a debris as a 11 year
old.
I talked... I had a lunch of doctor
Marcel.
He just... He died here a couple of
years ago. I gave him that data...
And he was kind of
impressed with it.
He also added doctor Marcel
that the the the debris that was photographed
at Car Air force space the balloon, the
balloon envelope was sitting on the floor? The
balloon envelope is an envelope that they... The
balloon is stored in. Why would a balloon
envelope be sitting on the floor. The reason
is sip on the floors is because they
got it under storage.
That's why. Yeah.
Sorry And that's a long winded ashford to
or question, but... Do you think there's a?
On try... There's nothing been released. So... Sorry.
I mean interrupt you. Do do you think
there's a correlation with the fact there was
nuclear
devices
being stored there, and there was a sighting.
Yes.
Very well could be the case because
Ufo
love
nuclear basis.
Tiny mean.
Well, they... They're... Some of the most compelling
sighting have been
on nuclear bases. I mean, Roswell,
you know, area 51,
a white and air force space, now I'm
notched Missouri at IA2 very good Ufo cases.
Ellsworth air force space, wrap city south Dakota.
Minor Air force space mine not North Dakota?
Do you think being fuel? Is that why?
No. I think they're they're just looking at...
See how far we've come? Sorta to auditing
our our nuclear arsenal. Yeah.
That makes sense.
I mean, the the cases at White,
and I had 2 cases 01:19
83 another 19 98 in the middle of
the night,
And in 1 case, they had... They call
them eagles,
the their their
their what... Their weapon storage facilities.
Out of the 20 eagles, 2 of them
stored nuclear weapons. The Ufo were
shooting down beams for these 2 eagles.
They knew right where their nuclear weapons were.
So... Wow. You know, interesting. Read between just
read between the lines. Of course, bent Waters
England. That's another
very, very major case abroad. What happened there?
Well, that's where
sergeant Penn and and
and Airman Burrows
you know, saw those lights
outside the base and then they
they got Colonel halt to come with him,
and that's when he
had that audio tape, and they
you know, they saw his Ufo and and
sergeant Penn and had walked up to with
the night before and touched the darn thing.
You know, they had
radiation readings. They had
land traces,
the whole 9 year cards and sergeant Penn
and burrows are very ill right now because
of exposure to this Ufo.
When I when I was in Chicago 2
years ago,
I I was filming for a
close connor series, that's on the discovery channel
at castle that series, but those
episodes I'm sure are are available probably
on Dv,
d Dvd
and probably through Youtube,
in other
outlets, but anyhow,
The producer or the director told me that
he had talked to Borough in Penn recently,
and they were both very ill from this
situation. I don't know if they got cancer,
what but they're...
They're trying to get on disability. What how
to do the documentation that they took? Is
it is it classified?
Well,
that particular case,
there is very little official government release of
records, British ministry defense release and documents,
but the actual Bent waters,
even Colonel Halt couldn't get
information on it and he was privy to
the site.
So,
the interesting thing about Bent waters
I'm I'm friends with a guy that helped
me out a lot, Doctor Jill Ryan was
on the West Coast.
And doctor Ryan was chief scientist
the air force of Nato.
And his first job,
this was as a civilian, was at bet
waters
in the early eighties. Well, I this Ufo
incident, they shipped all the personnel out of
there,
and he didn't even know about the case
to let aired an chief doctor Veteran. Really?
But he saw a Ufo reports
come across as jeff from fighter pilots they
were all set a lang weight in Virginia,
all the Ufo reports.
So
those are a few, there many more. Another
1 bang base
in up there in
Northwest Washington
would be able
able
station,
though... Those are both facilities at house nuclear
weapons?
I had to say that a lot of
my friends who live up in the northwest,
they they of the most sighting, the the
people I know up there. I get the
house sighting from Washington and Oregon and need
other state.
I do. I wonder why that is.
Good question. I mean,
that was the case in the summer in
19 47 when Kenneth Arnold,
you know, first to 06/24/1947
when he said it those 9,
there there was a lot of research done
with newspaper articles.
And in the summer 19 47
Washington state per capita by far and larger
at the most Ufo sides followed closely by
Oregon.
And I did a study in the early
2 file 2003.
Same thing.
More and more Ufo shortage for capita in
Washington state.
I don't know why. So
try and you intended just to air on
the skeptics side doing your research, which I
think is healthy.
But do you
believe that we have been visited by other
be beings from another place, whether it be
dimensional and or planetary
Yes.
I believe we happen our being, and,
you know, there's an ongoing thing. There there's
a couple of
several theories about that.
I do not think that
interstellar trial are coming in an auto
for a regular basis.
I believe
you you hand hit on higher dimensional payroll
universe
They could... A lot of them could be
that.
But there could be alien basis on earth
of alien beings that have been here a
long time.
There's also another theory that bi pedal rep,
which have been seen. I I got a
report recently at 1
they're seen in remote areas. I'd love to
hear about that. Maybe
when the dinosaurs got killed.
A lot of reptile went underground and maybe
the evolve intelligent species.
Another theory is that the nazis
may have developed
flying sauce or technology after, you know, during
the war and after the war, they got
bases at Antarctica. That's another theory.
So... And it could all of the above.
But I do believe that
they are here,
they're that they have very advanced technology systems.
And but I can't prove that.
I believe it, but I can't prove it.
If you could prove it, you probably wouldn't
be alive.
Yeah.
Yeah. That's so. I mean, III always joke
with my friends and I sound like could
conspiracy theorist, but everything's a conspiracy until it's
proven true. And I don't know
why it's so out of the realm of
possibility
to people. You know, if I'm a an
exceptionally intelligent being, and I don't wanna be
seen,
I'm not gonna be seen
I don't find it to be so surprising,
but I also
don't think
personally, and I feel like
Probably more than 1
for lack of a better word race of
being,
and
I know people are gonna think I'm a
luna sick, but I don't care. Let
I also think that there's no way that
our... At some point, our government, somebody in
our government, some military, somebody
But then to say, absolutely emphatic know and
to say that it doesn't exist and all
that.
It seems pretty ridiculous to me.
Especially give it all the sighting. Every... There's
so many sighting. It's like saying dogs don't
exist.
Right. Let me comment on a couple of
things you said, you mentioned signings in the
18 hundreds and you also mentioned...
Government knowledge. Well, here in Montana,
in a town near Ban, which is,
let's old Western town. Is that where Henry
P was hanged in the 18 hundreds
of an outlaw.
But anyhow,
us a gentleman that's he's a retired tide
and treasurer on her Hunt
does a lot of gold and silver hunting,
and there's a lot of mining in Montana,
and he likes to go to old abandoned
minds and
treasure out. Well, anyhow, he came across his
diary of a stage coach manager,
Box 18 seventies said a spaceship crash
near Ban.
So
we we researched it. We went down or
it's in a ferry remote area,
takes an all terrain vehicle to get in
there.
Is
infested with rattle snakes. It's
high. It's like, near seventh, I didn't see
any rib phoenix by the way. But I
had a heart time getting my gear in
there,
but we we took a lot of measurements
and everything, and I didn't find anything compelling
other than some magnetic
anomalies,
but the area looks to be artificial. It
looks like it's doesn't belong there. Well, anomalies
The real bottom line in this story is
that this pilot
a retired pilot
kept getting these calls from Nas sir. Wanting
to know,
hey, what's going on? We want... We want
to know what's in this area.
He would he ignored them
Finally, 1 day a few weeks later,
this Suv pulls up
by his house with Nasa
side. 4 guys get out men.
And they said you're gonna take us up
to this craft.
And he said, All drive said, no. Your
riding with us. They spent all day up
there. They had all kinds of gear.
And
finally, they left,
you know, at the end of the day
and they said nothing is there.
This was a
meteor crashed. There's no meter rocks or or
meter rocks or black.
And my take on the whole thing is,
number 1, they weren't Nasa. They were Cia,
well
And number 2,
we had the phone number
that they called and we we call that
phone number
and it was auto order, and that's a
Lang leave Virginia phone number.
That's where the Cia is located.
And they threatened him, and I say, well,
he's bull and smoke well, when when the
agents were there, whoever they were.
1 of his friends,
otter of town friends called.
And
and and warren the name of my contact
passed the phone to 1 of the agents,
and they told this guy
you stay out of there, and this guy
told a f off.
And so
why they were interested because
they did not want civilian people
potentially filing,
finding you an alien spacecraft.
Potential alien artifacts. They found out about it
for the media because it's got some coverage
in the local media. Sure. And and they
found they didn't find anything.
But what that told me is yes. They
do have a vested interest in Ufo.
And this was a case where they might
have slipped through their fingers.
So they took an interest in until they
didn't find anything.
So
old case
and number 2,
a case of
government interest.
Yeah.
What is the most compelling
Ufo sighting that you have
researched yourself
that you could speak? That's a call question
because there's been so many.
1 that
stands out to me is
a case in dana point
California,
I believe it was March
2007.
The guy was walking in the morning,
sunny morning
and he sees this dish shake kraft
fly about jet speed. It stops and hover.
He shoots a photo of it. It zips
away and goes into the water, near Catalina
Island.
I've had... I've analyzed that photo. I've had
people
do
forensic
animation of it, forensic study in the local
area,
That is a very compelling case. A lot
of Ufo have been seeing that area going
into the water, coming out of the water
in Catalina Island.
That's a very interesting case.
Another point fast forward
9 years,
January 2016,
N,
Utah.
The head of the mutual Ufo network in
in
Utah contacted me because I have some expertise
and
background and analysis of,
weather and aviation radar.
Well,
a,
a local person,
ham radio operator, who actually has his own
Ufo show.
Had a scanner on 1 night. And he
hears this
airline pilot talking the Faa about a Ufo
site.
Asking if they had it on radar.
He's flying at 31000
feet
near n
utah.
Sees huge light on the ground.
Ps,
do you have it in radar?
Response, no we do not.
And
so we,
myself,
the,
Erica Luke, who's the Fund director
and Pat Daniels, who is the
the
ham radio operator that got the data. We
kinda looked into this. We found some air
traffic control voice tapes online.
Got a portion of the actual broadcast.
We didn't even know the airline we find
a determine it was American airlines
that had taken off from San Francisco was
flying in route to Philadelphia.
This happened about midnight.
So right we obtained
more of the voice tapes,
some of which had been redacted. I have
always almost direct proof of that.
But we found
iphone
in an isolated area all kinds of radar
returns. Right Well this pilot the saw sergeant.
And
those radar
returns at
they they were there for a good half
hour,
and
what every rotation, the rate would be 1
to 3 returns. They're right in the valley
by Ne, Utah right where this site object
was cited.
So that's 1 of the more forensic
compelling settings. I've ever got
where
Another case,
and I can't remember this was in the
Carolina as I'd have to look on my
site.
Actually, your your viewers if they wanna,
I'll kinda get sidetracked here a minute. If
they wanna find my best site and just
go go to my my site my my
web site. I'm actually gonna look here. Yeah.
I'll put I'll put links to all that
stuff on my hey human podcast.
And then go go go to
on my top menu,
and
you can see,
top cases
and and
click on that in the cases that I
filtered that are the most compelling
will show up,
I'll specifically mention another case,
and and
this was in
1 of the Carolina
I can't remember
the North Carolina South Carolina.
I'd have to I'd have to actually look
in detail to to find it, but
this particular case woman
had taken a friend home.
And she was driving back was only about
a 10 or 15 mile trip.
And I believe it was
probably around midnight maybe
a little bit later.
All of a sudden,
she... Her car
stopped.
And starts shaking
just like someone is shaking her car.
And she sees this weird light outside her
wind.
Next thing she remember she comes to,
Luca car starts
on this road,
and her she
3 hours are going.
She guy drives home and she's just petrified
and her friend... She didn't go him. She
drives to her friend's house.
And her frances says, where were you? I
was calling in on his cell phone. Her
cell phone was right on the seat.
3 calls went to voice mail during this
time period.
They call the police
and the police
kinda laughed it off as a meteor sighting.
And
so
case and point,
what wasn't? I mean, she she was petrified.
I interviewed her, by actual voice tape or
her interview,
is on my site.
And
so that that particular case stands out. What
do you think is the deal with the
lost time? That people experience.
I really think there's
2 reasons for that me it could have
been a potential abduction,
or I I think actually,
there's a time and space warp around these
Ufo
I think that too. I feel like in
order for them to to for some of
them at least. And this is my own
theory in my own brain. I'm am obviously
not a physicist, but
that you would have to bend a time
in order for your
to do what they do in order to
travel where they're traveling to and from,
1 would imagine they've mastered the art of.
Spending time and tearing through some space.
I mean, Einstein theorized it. Right? That it
is a possibility.
You just didn't know how to it. Right.
I had another case also of a,
a different type of time dilation, but
this was
actually not too far from Roswell, volume, near
the vaughan new Mexico area which is
I don't whether you ever been in new
Mexico, but
if you drive from Albuquerque,
a couple times I went down there. I
flew to Albuquerque and rented a car door
the Roswell.
You drive through a ton called Vaughan. Well,
this guy was a
a truck driver
And he was,
truck and used cars or but to use
cars bought by
use car loss of AAA
rental car auction, hurts rental car auction in
Denver.
And
a lot of truck drivers driving in the
middle of the night for traffic and
and also it's a lot cooler in our
it's brutally hot in the southwest.
And I believe he had dropped
free cars off somewhere and he he was
on his way to el Paso, Texas.
And
he he pulled off the side of the
road to check his load.
And
he... All of a sudden,
he kinda fuses his hair stand on end,
like there's electricity in the air
He had a long flashlight. His flashlight went
off. His truck turned off widely.
He looks up and there's there's huge.
Triangular shaped hobby,
coming from the south right over the top
of a b out the stars
Pain and what to do? Is trucks stalled,
flashlight night's dead.
So he said what he usually does is
he gets in the back of the car,
his truck and backs off
1 of the cars in Go gives hell.
He goes back there car wouldn't start.
All of a sudden,
the Ufo starts retreating
fly reverse.
His his truck starts, his flashlight comes on.
He gets the heck on
next morning in El Paso,
they're unloading some cars,
and he makes a discovery
for the clock in his truck
had lost time. The clock in the car...
How does he know it? He wind up
clock and his sleeper.
He looked at that clock.
13 minutes were lost.
All clocks
including the clocks
in his cars
that he backed out lost 13 minutes.
Interesting. So No, another case in point. Yeah.
I. You know what It's funny to say,
the argument, of course is that... Well, if
there was alien life, they were visiting us,
of course, we would be told, but key
imagine the pan pneumonia,
religion would be set on its ear.
If we're supposed to be the only
people made in God's image, you know?
And suddenly there are other beings out there
that would that would mess up some pretty
intense religions,
doctrines. Right? And you you you mentioned that
point, and at that very
same
concept was reduced by the Rand
Corporation
in a Nasa funded study in 19 60,
and a they wanted a group of extra
soc
economist,
religion
you know, ministers,
Clergy people
to comment on this and even scientists. And
they said that
if terrestrial life
was here and that the public knew it,
it would cause pan in the financial markets
in religious circles. Yeah. People wouldn't not to
handle it. I feel right. And Yeah. I
do believe that today that
that might change somewhat? Sure. It's getting... I
I have a joke with my friends also
that the media tries to lessen the blow
of things, you know, They have movies about
ghosts and demons and then aliens and contact
and you know, they're slowly getting people's awareness
an openness
through the media because people aren't quite easily
manipulated by media, course. Right. So it was
bring up the fact that that that particular
case that I just mentioned was in great
Court,
South Carolina
bottled up on my website. Great court so.
Oh, Great Court, South Carolina. So... So are
drive your if any of your viewers or
listeners are interested in that case,
I I have an actual tape
of the witness
The girl? Interviews. Yeah. On that stuff. Great.
They'll definitely have link.
I'll link to all that stuff.
Yeah. Happened on seventh
2015.
So I remember reading
something
somewhere in the back of my brain pan.
I remember that there was was an asked,
some astronaut saw something
and had reported and that actually had... Was
video, and then the video got static out
by Nasa.
Do you know about this?
Well there's been several instances of
of astronauts,
you know, talking about Ufo sighting and
as, of course,
every all the videos and photos and everything
that
all that information, and gather from the space
station of the shuttle or
or even missions to the moon,
you know, that they they don't,
they're not gonna have a camera with them
and just come home and show their camera
to their family. I mean, that goes through
Nasa.
And and actually, you know, I a lot
of that Nasa
information and
this gentleman and
depends on who you talked to Nasa distance
survey gentlemen.
Gary Mc mclean,
this English guy. He he he actually hacked
in the defense department in
Nasa
websites. And they wanted to lock him up
and throw away the key. I think his
mother finally got him
shield from that, and they wouldn't
him because she said that he had metal
problems well,
why why did they wanna come after
did hack in the government systems, and he
found Ufo
information. I mean, even at the point that
they nasa was cooperating with non terrestrial species
on this. And he found that
in his...
When he hacked in and Nasa website and
also win the defense department website. So... Yeah.
You know, you they're well, down do know
about it. Well,
you know, you get a few things like
that, and you gotta believe that they probably
do. Well, there's a lot of information that
they don't release the public. I have a
friend who
an an Nasa affiliate physicist, and he...
Do you remember when they released information about
the super Earth,
And they said, oh, we've discovered that there's,
you know, these 2II
can't remember where they said 2 or 5
super earth's,
you know, a hundred thousand light year away.
Yada yada likely to have inhabitants
very much like our own.
And if not, that we would be able
to live there
the atmosphere is correct and all that. Well,
he had called me before that article came
out before the news media received the information.
Season,
you're never gonna guess. So what we've figured,
you know, we've seen and we figured out,
but they're not gonna tell the public about
it. They're only gonna tell them about a
couple of them, but we found at least
20,
but they can't say that out loud because
you know I was like, you shouldn't be
talking on unsecured phone line, Buddy.
But I will keep that to heart.
And no. I'm laughing it, but I don't
care.
What, you know?
You mentioned Nasa and
what will be the
official
disclosure when it happens.
In my, canyon,
it'll likely be astronomers that discover extra trust
your life and it can't be denied
That's kind is submission. Though, do you think
that that's under the assumption that they're... That
it's an inflammatory thing. Not an interdimensional thing.
And then well this be. I mean, not
they're not gonna see anything
interdimensional, but the... I mean, I I don't
have any doubt that
there's intelligent life.
I mean, in our galaxy. I mean, III
believe it. I mean, we might even find
life in our solar system,
maybe not intelligent life.
But
Nasa actually is look... At this
star system 1500 light years away.
And they believe they found something like a
dyson sphere
because they... There's artificial what they think is
artificial infrared light,
emitting from the star system,
and it's too close to the star
to be a planet, and they think it's
an artificial what they call it dyson sphere.
And and dyson sphere is an artificial environment.
They can't prove it, but
it'll be that type of thing where they
can
verify,
in call preferably that there's a non terrestrial
intelligent life forms
all outside our solar system. Well, as soon
as we find intelligent life forms on this
planet, we him handle elf.
I know.
The wonder how intelligent we are know. Exactly.
We're a hostile species. We
killing show. We are a very hostile say
me, if I was an extraterrestrial and I
came to this planet. I think I'd take
a step back or 2 because I would
wanna end up on a gu somewhere, and
we are Very violent species.
Very young, very young, very violent very? Right.
Primal.
Well, you know, I... I... You mentioned that
a violent species and
I... You mentioned tough cases. Well I had
another case, this was in Missouri,
right along the Mississippi River between Missouri and
Illinois. And this guy calls me 1 night.
And and he he's in a remote area,
and he said,
yeah, these green lights, they're over in the
Mississippi River
And some of his friends in Illinois were
seeing them. They called the sheriff under sheriff,
across the river, and they were looking at
these things. These lights were hovered.
Both the Mississippi River.
Finally the sheriff says, we don't know what
these things are. We can't explain and we're
leaving.
So these guys get out their shotgun on
their rifles.
They start shooting at this thing from... For...
And they got on boats.
And
All of a sudden, their bolt shut down.
This thing gets big, their boat shut down
and then it vanish finishes.
And he calls me back,
and he's pushing his bull on an Island,
I could hear the water s as he's
talking to me on his cell phone.
So they shot out.
It let them know
you ain't gonna hurt us. We'll fix you.
We shut their boats down.
1 just won both that were 4 or
5.
So
case some point,
would you wanna interact so... It's like
a lion in the zoo or something where,
you know, it's a smart enough creature, but...
Right. At the end of the day. Have
you... I read W Streamers book comm.
I I read that. Yeah. Scared the genie
out of me I thought, my gosh.
If there are...
I mean, that's that's a whole another ball
wax. That's starting to get now, of course,
into actual alien abduction and and contact and
all that. And ends not
not sort of pass the realm of Ufo,
but it is a fascinating
read and a fascinating subject. For sure.
Do you feel like you've had any kind
of experience
outside of?
I've never... No. I never have. I...
I talked to people.
A matter of fact, 1 of my good
ufo friends in the west coast
and it spur are sort of tuned into
this
higher dimensional or whatever.
You know, I'm not.
I've had a couple of
normal experience
unrelated Ufo.
Yeah. But not not directly related to Ufo.
Yeah.
1 of my friends were had deceased
showed up on my bedside
about a week later,
and I well, maybe I was hall with
6 other people saw her also.
So you got feel like, well, maybe she...
She came for a visit.
She just said goodbye. Yeah. She was black
dress, and
Quite seen her...
She... She a week or 2 before that.
Yeah. Lost
Not stuff you.
I believe in lots of stuff.
Yeah. Yeah But I've never had any
Ufo encounter or your time or... I've never
had to missing time, but I've definitely seen
things that I could not explain, which is
technically what an
unidentified flying object is. Of course, is it's
identifiable, hard to in un determine.
1 of my best friends, his father,
who's from Alaska when his... And but I
think this might have had and in Washington
state, and I can't remember. I think it
was Washington. They were camping.
His father and his father's friend
and
they were driving and the car stopped and
they lost time. And he won't really talk
about it. He just gets very
upset if you even bring up the subject.
So I don't know if he has some
slight recollection or what, but
people
they. I mean,
I know that psychiatrists... I've read articles about,
you know, people say, oh, it's mass hysteria
and, you know, the mine is so easily
influenced. I do believe that is true for
sure, the mind is very easily influenced.
However,
I think if you take somebody who is
here, and then you take somebody who is
way over there and Somebody is way over
there in that country and wherever over there
in that country and all having the same
experience without any way of connecting the dots.
Then you start to
question
That it seems like something is happening.
Absolutely.
Yeah. You know,
these these cases of
abduction, of course are
are very
very difficult to
to investigate because you you just... You don't
have any environmental data.
Fund was allegedly gonna do a study where
they had planted cameras and radiation detectors and
magnet manufacturers and all this, but I never
did see any results of that study. You
mentioned allowed Alaska, And also,
what I'd like to say to your
listeners is that the best Ufo sighting
are in very remote areas.
Perhaps that was in Washington state. I don't
know. But
the the best cases that I've ever looked
at
will happen right in the middle of nowhere.
Forest service worker,
southwest of Olympia Washington
how just had coronary bypass surgery 1 morning.
He's out,
taking a little stroll logging road,
and this
flying disc is hovering about a hundred feet
ahead of it. It it pulls straight up
in the air or something drops out of
it. Bang down trees and everything.
I investigated this case several years after I
actually looked at the actual area where the
site was
and
interviewed him and that was a case. Another
case, this happened north of Dallas Fort worth
on a farm and this
gentleman was
I think his daughter was 8 or 9
years old, they're driving a tractor
on his father law's farm.
And the little girl turned the tractor and
she also screams and look up. Big dish
shaped craft comes out of this...
The this goalie
straight up.
And
so you get cases like that. Yeah. There
is remote area.
Yeah. I am curious about the concept of
the good and the bad and the you
know, as far as who's
who's
who we're dealing with.
Great. And
the other joke I make, of course is
that the only way to unify the
the planet that is to have a full
1, you know, that movie independence day where
aliens that actually had to attack the only
way we're all get along.
And then about an hour later, we'll forget
and hate each other again. But, you know,
for that 1 little tiny frame.
You know we could rise up against the
the evil aliens. I don't know.
Well, you know, there's a lot of
speculation about
that if there was an actual full fledged
alien
invasion. What could we do?
Yeah. I mean, they they could blast us
out of the sky. Absolutely. Why why would
they do it. I mean, what? Resources, but
that we're
game, You know,
Perhaps being a
interstellar threat eventually, you know. But right now,
we're
we're sort of contained here. I mean, with
our
with all our
nuclear toys and everything. Yeah. And kind of
it fred are we... We might wipe ourselves
out, but I don't know that and and
like,
I mean, if I were an alien being,
and Earth was my watch
under my watch, I would just make sure
that they didn't have the capacity to leave
the planet very far because we can't be
trusted. We're too young.
Right. You know? Well, I'm way too.
Early they they...
Even if they aren't here, I do believe
they are that they know all about us
by now.
I mean, and they're shaking their heads.
Right.
You know another argument about
intelligent life is how long does life last
before,
you know,
either environmental
pollution or war
or other things ex it. I mean, right
now,
I mean, we're getting at the end of
the hour, but, you know, I'm a I'm
a meteor neurologist and, of course, climate change
is 1 of the biggest threats to the
civil utilization,
and we're
we're in we're in a real danger right
now of ex in life of climate change.
I agree.
And,
that's only an example. But,
you know, when we find extra trust life.
I mean, it's not question if it's when,
and this is officially.
They're gonna find that
they're gonna be look in for artificial heat
source infrared, that thus in any any intelligent
life out there
will find us that way too. So... Yeah.
Yeah know.
Let's hope bit sooner rather later. I... I'd
love to... I I'd... That's my... Every time
I go on a first date that's my
first and if aliens landed and said,
we're gonna take you on this trip. You
don't get to come back all the if
when you do come back, everyone be dead,
so might well just like, go, that idea,
would you go? And for me, I would
say, sign me up I'm gone.
How fascinating? What a wonderful experience that would
be? Could they guarantee my safety? Who knows?
Doesn't matter what an experience?
So I would ask that question on the
first day. Would you go? Was your not
go? I think it's was a lot about.
Well, I would concur about that. I I
think I would
sign up to
take the tour or do. Yeah. Of course.
You know, How how can you know? I
was raised on Star trek. I would, you
know, I'd would have to go.
It thank you so much, William for being
on the show. I really appreciate it. I'm
gonna put links to all this stuff
that we talked about so, on my website
so they can find you and on the
information and Okay. Now Blue, please send me
direct to your website and everything, and I'll
take a look. I will absolutely.
You. I heard your I urge your listeners
to
to visit my side and if they...
She sent the compelling if they have a
photo or video,
please send it to me. Absolutely. And I
will do the same if I see something
again. It's always said things where you're you're
out and you think, oh my god. First
my camera wears something,
and And anymore, I feel like
the the alien life are... That they're going
to have
They're gonna have issues of people pulling out
their cell phones. Now it's so easy to
get footage of things. Yeah. You can take
a high definition video with an iphone. So...
Yeah. Except if you're engines are getting shut
off, Maybe they'll they'll jam. That's true Yeah.
Yeah. So...
That's that's eliminate. You know,
not not regarding technical difficulties.
Yeah. The truth is out there. Thank you
so very much. Thank you for having me.
Yeah I look forward to business
Yeah. Have wonderful.
Yeah. You too. Okay. Bye Bye.