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Hey, humans. How's it going? See and ruth

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here.

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Hello Hello Hello.

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Little bit of business.

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If you are out and about in the

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Nashville area,

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performing

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October nineteenth

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I believe, Yep. 08:00PM

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at alley

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taps in printers Alley. I will be doing

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a song right around with my friends

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Sam Brooke and Megan Lynn. So that'll be

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big time, a lot of fun. And

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please, if you would go

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download from itunes,

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subscribe,

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review,

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please,

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let me know what you think. Then when

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you subscribe,

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And when we review it as well. It

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goes up in the...

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In the not statistics. The metrics, I guess,

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metrics What do I know of metrics? I'm

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an American for goodness sakes.

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We didn't do the metric thing.

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Are we the only ones?

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Oh, America

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so lonely.

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Anyway, go to the website, hey human podcast

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dot com. I'd put up tons of links

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and

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talk about interesting humans and all that good

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stuff. It's all out there. It's all good.

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I think it's interesting. How flow you do

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too. This

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episode of a human, I'm very excited to

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have for you guys to listen to

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It is with William Puck, who is a

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retired meteor neurologist

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and a current Ufo

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researcher.

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Super,

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duper cool.

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We had a great conversation. He told stories

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about different Ufo sighting.

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His own research,

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it was... It's just cool, man. I I

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dig it. I love me some aliens.

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So aliens. That's what matters. Ufo,

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researcher, William Puck on hay human podcast.

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Enjoy.

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Hello.

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Hey. Hi.

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How are you?

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Well, they're not too bad. How about you?

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I'm doing well. Thank you.

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You're in Montana. Right?

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I am. House Montana.

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In in Helena, Montana? In Helena? That's where

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you are? Yep. Yeah. The Capital City of

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Montana? Good fishing.

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Yeah. You know, I used to fish a

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I I kinda got out of that. You

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didn't. Yeah. I I'm too busy Chasing Ufo.

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Well, I'm so excited. Thank you for being

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on the podcast. I'm excited to talk to

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you about it.

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are you from the Seattle originally or what?

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Yeah. I'm from Seattle originally. That's correct. I've

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lived in Nashville 10 years.

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Oh, what what do you do there?

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A professional song, and I'm a painter, and

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Wow. Well, that's a pretty good,

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bio. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. I do a little bit of a

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My brother travels to Nashville

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our business from time to time. He works

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called Maximus.

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So... Okay. What do they do?

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They developed software for the federal Medicaid system.

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he makes a lot money. I never made

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sure. Yeah. Well, let's get started.

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I read about you online. And

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I was in Seattle

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light, and or that was in the pictures

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page and people pretty much immediately said, that's

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just a weird quirk of the light that

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meet some aliens and go back to wherever

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where I was actually from, but oh, well.

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meteor neurologist with your career path.

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I actually got 4 of them, but 1

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of them pulls up to the weather the

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underground site, and

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report that back to the news agency or

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website. Oh, okay.

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iphone or their cell phone. It's called weather

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with their own by Iv Am,

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you a full research. Oh, how

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a Portland Oregon area sure what can be

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which is south a Portland of a a

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video and photos taken of a

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kind of a white Ufo that's sat there

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h object drifted. I'm also looking at adopt

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radar data, weather radar data, which

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the the weather radar runs in what would

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call clearer mode in precipitation mode.

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radar that that that the

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everything was flowing to the southeast, which is

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way the object was going.

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of whether or not this particular object was

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moving with the wind.

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probably wasn't a balloon or other flotation device.

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perhaps it was a cloudy night. Well, if

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a cloud basis were 5000 feet that I

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determinations, and then you can make some deductions,

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how big the was... So you just sort

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but weather is a very important

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component to that. It's interesting.

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what brought you from...

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meteor person who clearly was always looking up?

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unidentified flying objects.

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degree in 19 73.

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as a weather forecast. And

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nearly 800 loan identified. Well, I said, well,

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that's quite a few.

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course, says. There's been dozens of book written.

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the 19 eighties, a lot of documentaries are

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coming out in Ufo.

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So, I wonder if I can research that.

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my own research. I bought my website up,

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which is Ufo

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Northwest. I urge your listeners

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to go to the site WWW

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dot UF0SNW

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dot com. If they say something, like you

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did, report it to me, a researcher it

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that's kind of a bird's eye view of

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I did get some interesting cases early on,

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1 was the a copy of the alleged

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majestic 12 documents, which is the

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the committee allegedly approved by Harry Truman

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appointed by Harry Truman under investigate Ufo,

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and I had some documents. I thought may

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have been the originals.

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Of fortunately, the research working with lost him,

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which was very frustrating.

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from a a coworker over Uncle who had

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had been deceased for some

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25 years we thought may have been alien

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turns out that were hydro.

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Babies,

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un un uncharted hydro

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babies. Could you explain what that means?

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Hydro

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is

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is a disease where the

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the flu builds up in the spinal corn.

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And if it's not drained,

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it'll cause the head to grow. Oh, interesting.

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And they they have a they have a

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function called

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shu

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where they they actually tap

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the neck to spinal column and drain out

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the fluid.

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So it's generally not a problem for some

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reason another,

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that was not done or done in time

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with these beings,

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and they look like aliens.

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And they had no sex organs

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where they were very.

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They run Gu,

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they were burned severely.

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Where... Where did you see this? This isn't

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in a book?

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No. I had the actual slides.

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Taken by this,

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my coworkers

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Uncle

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was x,

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he'd been deceased 25 years. He was a

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head of not every department, at Temple University

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for years. Okay. And so he had access

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to these... He he had these photos in

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a slide box.

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And when they when they separated out his

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belongings,

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my coworker father who was just brother

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kept these. And then when he died

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in my coworker worker found a slaves. Now

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were they human... They were humans that happened

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to have genetic

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malfunction or...

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I don't know if hydro is genetic or

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not. I'm not a doctor. I think a

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degree It is,

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hereditary. Well, she you said that with the

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Gen italia was not developed either. So I

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mean, that's... Well, that that was pretty strange.

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You know, the gen were very

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or

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or or nutty system, and that's never really

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like the hands were formed. You know you

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go out and on, but I've had several

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doctors,

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plastic surgeon

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even doctor Cyril we, who's a very

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famous.

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He's on seeing an he wrote a book

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and do it when a Ramsey. Forensic pathologist

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look with these. He's the first 1 that

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told me there were hydro alex.

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I also posed a question to doctor We.

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I said, I've you ever seen anything like

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that before. He said, no, he hadn't.

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And doctor We has done a lot of

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auto tops.

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The the strange thing about this case,

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I believe they were Hydra valley

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But the thing about it is is in

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that same slide box.

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There was a slide of an atomic test

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on the Nevada test range

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I went into the Atomic Energy commission,

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and on their website, and I filed the

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actual date of the test in the name

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of the it was project dog, May 19

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52.

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Now in 19 70 when these slides were

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taken,

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those tests were classified.

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They were not d

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until many, many years after that.

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So my...

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What I term through pop and other re...

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Ufo researchers like Nick Red and some other

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guys.

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The the military in the 19 fifties would

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put out corpses

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and these

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close to these nuclear bombs and look at

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see what

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affects

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nuclear radiation would have. It could've have been

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that.

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How

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and he got the slides,

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why he had them. Sure. Well, there are

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course farms that are used now. I mean,

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that's that's how

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science figures out what happens to us when

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we die, How the elements

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affects bodies. Fbi uses that data to determine

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how long bodies have been out in elements

387
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and things like that. So I've had a

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really interesting book about a Corpse farm.

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I wouldn't wanna work there. I bet it's

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quite.

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Not very stimulating work and, you know, not

392
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not not really

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conducive to a good night's sleep. You know

394
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Well, it wouldn't be not so much as

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the detail of the book was that I...

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This the first time I've ever read a

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book that nearly made me vomit, which It

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well, that's impressive on the writers side.

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Right.

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Those are those are a couple of cases

401
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I got my feet wet

402
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in the Ufo field. And then

403
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and then in 2003,

404
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I bought up my site

405
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And I used to get

406
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probably 3 or 4 reports a day.

407
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I do not anymore because there's just so

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many

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civilian groups, including Von,

410
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Nasa Ufo reporting center,

411
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and people collecting Ufo report that it's fairly

412
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competitive to get reports. But I get enough

413
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reports that keep me busy,

414
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and certainly,

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you know, once in a while, I do

416
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come across something that's

417
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quite interesting and worthy of,

418
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more in depth,

419
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analysis.

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I read that 1 of the first sighting

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over Ufo

422
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dated back to 18 nineties, at least as

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far as writing it down or talking about

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it.

425
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I don't know whether it was in the

426
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United States or in Europe. But

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I mean, I was definitely before things like

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Photoshop could fake it. So So

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have you yourself seeing a Ufo? Your you

430
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person... I. I have to truthfully say

431
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I have never cited 1. I have

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found them

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on my security camera. I've...

434
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1 time I was doing a Ufo

435
00:16:14,516 --> 00:16:17,626
field investigation in Seattle, and I I had

436
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a habit a shoot pitcher from the

437
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the site in the

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each of the cardinal directions. When I went

439
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home and looked at the photo, I a

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boomerang object in the background.

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This would have been over

442
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probably

443
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I don't know. Bellevue is,

444
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that particular area in the Seattle area.

445
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I don't know what that was,

446
00:16:43,594 --> 00:16:45,583
it could've have been a flotation device. Here

447
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in Montana, I photographed photograph 1 with my

448
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security cameras,

449
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that I thought was kinda of strange. I

450
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I got radar data from the Faa I

451
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found a couple of blip,

452
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radar blip right in the area when

453
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I saw the object. Is it Ufo? I

454
00:17:02,417 --> 00:17:02,814
don't know.

455
00:17:03,528 --> 00:17:06,068
Can't explain it. Could have been something else,

456
00:17:06,544 --> 00:17:09,105
but no. I have never seen on. But

457
00:17:09,265 --> 00:17:11,505
I... You know, I'm kind of my my

458
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own worst skeptic. I mean, I'm I'm fairly

459
00:17:14,384 --> 00:17:15,605
inc when it

460
00:17:16,065 --> 00:17:18,718
comes to seeing south. I mean, I really

461
00:17:18,718 --> 00:17:21,033
am. I would prefer my researchers to be

462
00:17:21,033 --> 00:17:23,848
skeptics, though because that way, you're not

463
00:17:24,545 --> 00:17:26,461
destroying the evidence with your own mind.

464
00:17:27,512 --> 00:17:28,387
Right. However,

465
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Thinking... I I will say that I'm somewhat

466
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gullible to... I mean, I

467
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I do look at

468
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information and

469
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and I get pretty excited sometimes,

470
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about

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photos and videos and radar data, and and

472
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even eye witness reports. I mean,

473
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you know, the sky is almost the limit

474
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in in and where in terms of awareness,

475
00:17:53,776 --> 00:17:55,692
you know, of reports that I received,

476
00:17:56,903 --> 00:17:58,201
very, very strange

477
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encounters that some people have. Yes. So... They're

478
00:18:02,326 --> 00:18:03,522
just. As well.

479
00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,207
Alaska, I think Alaska is a hotbed. And

480
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I mean, I've... When I was walking my

481
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dog, when I hear Nashville, he's he's since

482
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passed away, but this was probably 2 years

483
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ago, and it was about 11:00 at night,

484
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and I was walking him up on this

485
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hill. It was quite dark out.

486
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And I looked up, and there were 3

487
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lights in the sky

488
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that were quite bright, and I thought of

489
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those planets.

490
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And then I... As I looked and as

491
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I watched them, they moved

492
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together

493
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all at once to, you know, together in

494
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a straight line up, and then

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down,

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and then they were just banished. And I

497
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thought, well, shooting stars don't going threes, I

498
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don't thing, and they certainly don't have that

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significant of a pattern.

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I feel like so many people have had

501
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experiences where they see something and I think,

502
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not. I that can't be. But I mean,

503
00:19:01,526 --> 00:19:04,621
I believe that there must be alien life.

504
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My gosh. Who cannot be the only 1

505
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our little tiny blip of an arm.

506
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There must be. And Lord knows they've gotta

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be smarter than us.

508
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That's absolutely absolutely.

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So

510
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I get excited when I when I hear

511
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people talk about it or see people as

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I was joking at the beginning of this.

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And you know I'm just waiting for them

514
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to come back and say, oh, sorry. We

515
00:19:25,571 --> 00:19:27,809
left you behind. Come on. You know?

516
00:19:29,247 --> 00:19:31,026
Well, actually, you know, let look

517
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just you you're citing that you just

518
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outlined. I mean, I I can't explain that.

519
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I mean it... It's obviously not a meteor

520
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because it

521
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it it moved in, you know, some abrupt

522
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changes in direction. Yes. It's not satellites. Yes.

523
00:19:48,762 --> 00:19:51,638
There are tri sat lights that the military

524
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flies, but they're not gonna be changing direction.

525
00:19:55,290 --> 00:19:56,879
So, you know, what did you see? I

526
00:19:56,879 --> 00:19:58,483
mean, it's hard to say it and they

527
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can't... It could... Perhaps it could have been

528
00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:04,220
reflections of light from the ground. Although normally,

529
00:20:04,938 --> 00:20:07,025
I would only to see that on cloudy

530
00:20:07,025 --> 00:20:07,504
night or the...

531
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Because it the the light needs to have

532
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a background to retract the photons.

533
00:20:13,406 --> 00:20:15,454
And you need, of course, a cloud is

534
00:20:15,654 --> 00:20:18,934
or f photons. But normally, the atmosphere doesn't

535
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do that unless there's fairly steep what we

536
00:20:21,255 --> 00:20:24,308
call temperature inversion density and then some times,

537
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but, you know, I mean, it it it

538
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because you... It leaves you scratching in your

539
00:20:28,447 --> 00:20:30,517
head with cases like that. So let's talk

540
00:20:30,517 --> 00:20:31,790
about our Roswell for a second.

541
00:20:32,679 --> 00:20:33,973
Has that all been d?

542
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Is that now

543
00:20:37,045 --> 00:20:39,029
all out in the open? The truth the

544
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:40,720
truth about Roswell is

545
00:20:41,827 --> 00:20:43,045
nothing's been d

546
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because nothing's been admitted it.

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From the government standpoint,

548
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Ras will never happened.

549
00:20:50,865 --> 00:20:53,285
Really? I mean, there has never been

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any

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information from the federal government at all

552
00:21:00,388 --> 00:21:01,267
related to Roswell.

553
00:21:01,905 --> 00:21:02,144
Nothing.

554
00:21:03,022 --> 00:21:03,261
0.

555
00:21:04,632 --> 00:21:07,518
Everything about Roswell has come from witnesses,

556
00:21:08,370 --> 00:21:09,746
from newspaper articles.

557
00:21:10,279 --> 00:21:12,507
Right. From military people,

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00:21:13,712 --> 00:21:14,212
that

559
00:21:14,980 --> 00:21:15,615
we're there,

560
00:21:16,566 --> 00:21:18,413
but as far as an official

561
00:21:19,260 --> 00:21:19,760
government

562
00:21:20,705 --> 00:21:21,205
document.

563
00:21:22,144 --> 00:21:25,605
There is nothing on Roswell. I think does.

564
00:21:26,144 --> 00:21:27,045
Congressman been

565
00:21:27,505 --> 00:21:28,759
Stephen Schiff who is

566
00:21:29,355 --> 00:21:31,920
Dc who was district Congressman

567
00:21:32,293 --> 00:21:33,031
from that

568
00:21:33,722 --> 00:21:34,222
representing,

569
00:21:34,914 --> 00:21:37,081
Roswell was included in his district

570
00:21:39,381 --> 00:21:41,077
requested when he was Congressman

571
00:21:42,570 --> 00:21:45,144
a government accounting office to do an audit

572
00:21:45,282 --> 00:21:46,898
of all records with Roswell.

573
00:21:47,769 --> 00:21:50,233
And all federal agencies that could have had

574
00:21:50,233 --> 00:21:50,551
records.

575
00:21:51,505 --> 00:21:53,413
They came back and said they had nothing

576
00:21:53,413 --> 00:21:56,036
and that the were records that had been

577
00:21:56,036 --> 00:21:56,354
destroyed.

578
00:21:57,324 --> 00:21:58,938
Perhaps related to Roswell.

579
00:22:00,347 --> 00:22:00,847
Now

580
00:22:01,382 --> 00:22:03,791
I say that there was 1 document

581
00:22:04,980 --> 00:22:06,819
and I'm trying to remember what it was.

582
00:22:08,019 --> 00:22:10,980
That was recovered from a government archive that

583
00:22:10,980 --> 00:22:12,234
was related to Ross

584
00:22:13,074 --> 00:22:15,151
But a lot of the skeptics claim was

585
00:22:15,151 --> 00:22:18,187
planted there by a Ufo researcher that never

586
00:22:18,187 --> 00:22:18,507
came.

587
00:22:19,226 --> 00:22:19,726
So

588
00:22:20,438 --> 00:22:23,636
out of the government archive. So from my

589
00:22:23,770 --> 00:22:24,270
standpoint,

590
00:22:25,913 --> 00:22:27,524
I have never seen anything

591
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:30,615
released on Rosa. The only thing I'll say

592
00:22:30,615 --> 00:22:31,115
ruth

593
00:22:31,490 --> 00:22:32,943
about government documents,

594
00:22:33,715 --> 00:22:35,440
when I when I work for the history

595
00:22:35,638 --> 00:22:36,035
channel.

596
00:22:37,225 --> 00:22:38,733
On the Ufo hundred series,

597
00:22:40,161 --> 00:22:41,907
I I did research for them. I was

598
00:22:41,907 --> 00:22:44,074
on a couple of episodes also, but

599
00:22:44,384 --> 00:22:46,865
most of the... My work was research on

600
00:22:46,865 --> 00:22:47,265
projects.

601
00:22:47,664 --> 00:22:48,964
1 of which was Roswell.

602
00:22:49,664 --> 00:22:51,365
And I I requested

603
00:22:52,077 --> 00:22:52,975
weather data

604
00:22:54,223 --> 00:22:55,336
for for

605
00:22:55,733 --> 00:22:57,164
Roswell Army Airfield,

606
00:22:58,595 --> 00:23:00,343
in July 19 47,

607
00:23:01,154 --> 00:23:03,146
Can I got it? So though... Those are

608
00:23:03,146 --> 00:23:05,218
records. Those are government records not ready to

609
00:23:05,218 --> 00:23:08,747
the Ufo. The interesting aspect to that

610
00:23:09,057 --> 00:23:10,669
As I believe it was on

611
00:23:11,598 --> 00:23:14,139
July eighth or ninth, when allegedly the debris

612
00:23:14,139 --> 00:23:17,569
was flown from Roswell Army Airfield the cars

613
00:23:17,569 --> 00:23:18,863
will air force space

614
00:23:19,712 --> 00:23:20,506
in Fort Worth.

615
00:23:21,379 --> 00:23:22,412
On that date,

616
00:23:23,285 --> 00:23:25,270
the weather observer was gone.

617
00:23:26,158 --> 00:23:26,475
Gone.

618
00:23:27,586 --> 00:23:30,044
Now, keep in mind, this is the rainy

619
00:23:30,044 --> 00:23:30,441
season.

620
00:23:31,631 --> 00:23:34,422
Severe thunderstorms pop up in south eastern or

621
00:23:34,502 --> 00:23:35,930
New Mexico in July.

622
00:23:36,723 --> 00:23:39,659
This is the only military base in the

623
00:23:39,659 --> 00:23:42,380
world of the time had nuclear weapons

624
00:23:43,249 --> 00:23:46,866
b 29 bombers, they had 12 nuclear weapons

625
00:23:47,165 --> 00:23:47,904
in Roswell

626
00:23:48,523 --> 00:23:51,800
at the time that the spacecraft allegedly was

627
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:52,040
recovered.

628
00:23:52,613 --> 00:23:54,358
So why was the observer gone?

629
00:23:55,310 --> 00:23:55,548
Now,

630
00:23:56,578 --> 00:23:58,664
I took that information the time

631
00:23:59,433 --> 00:24:02,792
because dark Jesse Marcel junior lived in Helena.

632
00:24:03,271 --> 00:24:05,424
He handled a debris as a 11 year

633
00:24:05,424 --> 00:24:05,584
old.

634
00:24:06,302 --> 00:24:08,615
I talked... I had a lunch of doctor

635
00:24:08,774 --> 00:24:09,173
Marcel.

636
00:24:09,731 --> 00:24:11,500
He just... He died here a couple of

637
00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:13,332
years ago. I gave him that data...

638
00:24:14,368 --> 00:24:15,585
And he was kind of

639
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:16,917
impressed with it.

640
00:24:18,369 --> 00:24:20,710
He also added doctor Marcel

641
00:24:21,570 --> 00:24:24,789
that the the the debris that was photographed

642
00:24:25,570 --> 00:24:28,619
at Car Air force space the balloon, the

643
00:24:28,619 --> 00:24:31,169
balloon envelope was sitting on the floor? The

644
00:24:31,169 --> 00:24:33,878
balloon envelope is an envelope that they... The

645
00:24:33,878 --> 00:24:36,268
balloon is stored in. Why would a balloon

646
00:24:36,268 --> 00:24:38,352
envelope be sitting on the floor. The reason

647
00:24:38,352 --> 00:24:39,703
is sip on the floors is because they

648
00:24:39,703 --> 00:24:40,736
got it under storage.

649
00:24:41,770 --> 00:24:42,882
That's why. Yeah.

650
00:24:43,677 --> 00:24:46,141
Sorry And that's a long winded ashford to

651
00:24:46,141 --> 00:24:48,784
or question, but... Do you think there's a?

652
00:24:49,023 --> 00:24:52,128
On try... There's nothing been released. So... Sorry.

653
00:24:52,367 --> 00:24:53,801
I mean interrupt you. Do do you think

654
00:24:53,801 --> 00:24:55,647
there's a correlation with the fact there was

655
00:24:56,124 --> 00:24:56,624
nuclear

656
00:24:57,079 --> 00:24:57,579
devices

657
00:24:58,431 --> 00:25:00,739
being stored there, and there was a sighting.

658
00:25:01,932 --> 00:25:02,091
Yes.

659
00:25:03,456 --> 00:25:05,543
Very well could be the case because

660
00:25:06,392 --> 00:25:06,892
Ufo

661
00:25:07,344 --> 00:25:07,844
love

662
00:25:08,297 --> 00:25:09,011
nuclear basis.

663
00:25:10,122 --> 00:25:10,677
Tiny mean.

664
00:25:11,807 --> 00:25:14,197
Well, they... They're... Some of the most compelling

665
00:25:14,197 --> 00:25:15,255
sighting have been

666
00:25:15,631 --> 00:25:17,804
on nuclear bases. I mean, Roswell,

667
00:25:19,535 --> 00:25:20,810
you know, area 51,

668
00:25:21,862 --> 00:25:23,697
a white and air force space, now I'm

669
00:25:23,697 --> 00:25:26,090
notched Missouri at IA2 very good Ufo cases.

670
00:25:26,489 --> 00:25:28,976
Ellsworth air force space, wrap city south Dakota.

671
00:25:29,453 --> 00:25:31,524
Minor Air force space mine not North Dakota?

672
00:25:31,763 --> 00:25:33,594
Do you think being fuel? Is that why?

673
00:25:34,948 --> 00:25:37,669
No. I think they're they're just looking at...

674
00:25:38,226 --> 00:25:40,635
See how far we've come? Sorta to auditing

675
00:25:40,771 --> 00:25:42,600
our our nuclear arsenal. Yeah.

676
00:25:43,713 --> 00:25:44,509
That makes sense.

677
00:25:45,638 --> 00:25:47,714
I mean, the the cases at White,

678
00:25:48,592 --> 00:25:51,146
and I had 2 cases 01:19

679
00:25:51,146 --> 00:25:53,461
83 another 19 98 in the middle of

680
00:25:53,461 --> 00:25:53,940
the night,

681
00:25:54,673 --> 00:25:56,821
And in 1 case, they had... They call

682
00:25:56,821 --> 00:25:57,617
them eagles,

683
00:25:58,731 --> 00:25:59,948
the their their

684
00:26:00,323 --> 00:26:02,949
their what... Their weapon storage facilities.

685
00:26:03,999 --> 00:26:05,669
Out of the 20 eagles, 2 of them

686
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:08,078
stored nuclear weapons. The Ufo were

687
00:26:08,533 --> 00:26:10,601
shooting down beams for these 2 eagles.

688
00:26:11,093 --> 00:26:13,002
They knew right where their nuclear weapons were.

689
00:26:14,832 --> 00:26:17,537
So... Wow. You know, interesting. Read between just

690
00:26:17,537 --> 00:26:20,023
read between the lines. Of course, bent Waters

691
00:26:20,342 --> 00:26:21,640
England. That's another

692
00:26:22,257 --> 00:26:25,208
very, very major case abroad. What happened there?

693
00:26:26,404 --> 00:26:27,542
Well, that's where

694
00:26:28,969 --> 00:26:30,902
sergeant Penn and and

695
00:26:31,516 --> 00:26:32,812
and Airman Burrows

696
00:26:33,903 --> 00:26:35,597
you know, saw those lights

697
00:26:36,067 --> 00:26:37,680
outside the base and then they

698
00:26:38,055 --> 00:26:39,724
they got Colonel halt to come with him,

699
00:26:39,804 --> 00:26:41,019
and that's when he

700
00:26:41,632 --> 00:26:43,484
had that audio tape, and they

701
00:26:44,113 --> 00:26:47,456
you know, they saw his Ufo and and

702
00:26:47,456 --> 00:26:49,526
sergeant Penn and had walked up to with

703
00:26:49,526 --> 00:26:51,516
the night before and touched the darn thing.

704
00:26:52,801 --> 00:26:54,333
You know, they had

705
00:26:55,024 --> 00:26:56,635
radiation readings. They had

706
00:26:57,009 --> 00:26:57,985
land traces,

707
00:26:58,517 --> 00:27:01,627
the whole 9 year cards and sergeant Penn

708
00:27:01,627 --> 00:27:04,165
and burrows are very ill right now because

709
00:27:04,165 --> 00:27:05,776
of exposure to this Ufo.

710
00:27:06,148 --> 00:27:08,229
When I when I was in Chicago 2

711
00:27:08,229 --> 00:27:08,785
years ago,

712
00:27:09,739 --> 00:27:11,272
I I was filming for a

713
00:27:11,646 --> 00:27:14,586
close connor series, that's on the discovery channel

714
00:27:14,586 --> 00:27:17,491
at castle that series, but those

715
00:27:18,189 --> 00:27:20,525
episodes I'm sure are are available probably

716
00:27:21,621 --> 00:27:22,440
on Dv,

717
00:27:23,377 --> 00:27:24,356
d Dvd

718
00:27:25,225 --> 00:27:26,735
and probably through Youtube,

719
00:27:28,086 --> 00:27:28,825
in other

720
00:27:29,676 --> 00:27:30,869
outlets, but anyhow,

721
00:27:32,634 --> 00:27:35,663
The producer or the director told me that

722
00:27:35,663 --> 00:27:37,976
he had talked to Borough in Penn recently,

723
00:27:38,295 --> 00:27:40,629
and they were both very ill from this

724
00:27:41,085 --> 00:27:42,855
situation. I don't know if they got cancer,

725
00:27:43,014 --> 00:27:43,731
what but they're...

726
00:27:44,449 --> 00:27:46,522
They're trying to get on disability. What how

727
00:27:46,522 --> 00:27:48,435
to do the documentation that they took? Is

728
00:27:48,435 --> 00:27:49,653
it is it classified?

729
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:51,799
Well,

730
00:27:52,835 --> 00:27:54,429
that particular case,

731
00:27:56,103 --> 00:27:58,669
there is very little official government release of

732
00:27:58,669 --> 00:28:01,802
records, British ministry defense release and documents,

733
00:28:02,499 --> 00:28:04,015
but the actual Bent waters,

734
00:28:04,812 --> 00:28:06,845
even Colonel Halt couldn't get

735
00:28:07,224 --> 00:28:09,065
information on it and he was privy to

736
00:28:09,065 --> 00:28:09,625
the site.

737
00:28:10,424 --> 00:28:10,664
So,

738
00:28:11,785 --> 00:28:13,805
the interesting thing about Bent waters

739
00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:16,437
I'm I'm friends with a guy that helped

740
00:28:16,437 --> 00:28:18,354
me out a lot, Doctor Jill Ryan was

741
00:28:18,354 --> 00:28:19,153
on the West Coast.

742
00:28:19,952 --> 00:28:21,890
And doctor Ryan was chief scientist

743
00:28:22,204 --> 00:28:23,404
the air force of Nato.

744
00:28:24,365 --> 00:28:25,724
And his first job,

745
00:28:26,684 --> 00:28:28,845
this was as a civilian, was at bet

746
00:28:28,845 --> 00:28:29,345
waters

747
00:28:29,805 --> 00:28:32,397
in the early eighties. Well, I this Ufo

748
00:28:32,613 --> 00:28:34,602
incident, they shipped all the personnel out of

749
00:28:34,602 --> 00:28:34,841
there,

750
00:28:35,875 --> 00:28:37,466
and he didn't even know about the case

751
00:28:37,466 --> 00:28:40,106
to let aired an chief doctor Veteran. Really?

752
00:28:40,742 --> 00:28:42,753
But he saw a Ufo reports

753
00:28:43,606 --> 00:28:45,849
come across as jeff from fighter pilots they

754
00:28:45,849 --> 00:28:48,323
were all set a lang weight in Virginia,

755
00:28:48,802 --> 00:28:50,000
all the Ufo reports.

756
00:28:50,638 --> 00:28:51,138
So

757
00:28:51,516 --> 00:28:54,310
those are a few, there many more. Another

758
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:55,941
1 bang base

759
00:28:56,716 --> 00:28:58,070
in up there in

760
00:28:58,708 --> 00:28:59,446
Northwest Washington

761
00:28:59,982 --> 00:29:00,881
would be able

762
00:29:01,257 --> 00:29:01,757
able

763
00:29:02,148 --> 00:29:02,388
station,

764
00:29:04,302 --> 00:29:06,934
though... Those are both facilities at house nuclear

765
00:29:06,934 --> 00:29:07,253
weapons?

766
00:29:07,811 --> 00:29:09,088
I had to say that a lot of

767
00:29:09,088 --> 00:29:10,922
my friends who live up in the northwest,

768
00:29:11,161 --> 00:29:13,575
they they of the most sighting, the the

769
00:29:13,575 --> 00:29:15,255
people I know up there. I get the

770
00:29:15,255 --> 00:29:18,055
house sighting from Washington and Oregon and need

771
00:29:18,055 --> 00:29:18,695
other state.

772
00:29:19,349 --> 00:29:21,024
I do. I wonder why that is.

773
00:29:22,460 --> 00:29:23,577
Good question. I mean,

774
00:29:24,375 --> 00:29:25,891
that was the case in the summer in

775
00:29:25,891 --> 00:29:28,050
19 47 when Kenneth Arnold,

776
00:29:28,923 --> 00:29:31,778
you know, first to 06/24/1947

777
00:29:31,778 --> 00:29:33,151
when he said it those 9,

778
00:29:35,370 --> 00:29:37,600
there there was a lot of research done

779
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,874
with newspaper articles.

780
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:41,603
And in the summer 19 47

781
00:29:42,472 --> 00:29:44,626
Washington state per capita by far and larger

782
00:29:44,626 --> 00:29:47,257
at the most Ufo sides followed closely by

783
00:29:47,337 --> 00:29:47,736
Oregon.

784
00:29:48,613 --> 00:29:51,140
And I did a study in the early

785
00:29:51,259 --> 00:29:52,693
2 file 2003.

786
00:29:53,091 --> 00:29:53,649
Same thing.

787
00:29:54,526 --> 00:29:56,517
More and more Ufo shortage for capita in

788
00:29:56,597 --> 00:29:57,314
Washington state.

789
00:29:58,190 --> 00:29:59,885
I don't know why. So

790
00:30:00,914 --> 00:30:02,739
try and you intended just to air on

791
00:30:02,739 --> 00:30:05,357
the skeptics side doing your research, which I

792
00:30:05,357 --> 00:30:06,071
think is healthy.

793
00:30:06,547 --> 00:30:07,761
But do you

794
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:12,329
believe that we have been visited by other

795
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:15,269
be beings from another place, whether it be

796
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:16,650
dimensional and or planetary

797
00:30:17,603 --> 00:30:17,922
Yes.

798
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,854
I believe we happen our being, and,

799
00:30:22,392 --> 00:30:24,786
you know, there's an ongoing thing. There there's

800
00:30:24,786 --> 00:30:25,559
a couple of

801
00:30:26,952 --> 00:30:28,383
several theories about that.

802
00:30:29,099 --> 00:30:31,031
I do not think that

803
00:30:31,804 --> 00:30:33,910
interstellar trial are coming in an auto

804
00:30:34,285 --> 00:30:35,399
for a regular basis.

805
00:30:36,195 --> 00:30:37,013
I believe

806
00:30:38,184 --> 00:30:40,969
you you hand hit on higher dimensional payroll

807
00:30:40,969 --> 00:30:41,469
universe

808
00:30:42,415 --> 00:30:44,162
They could... A lot of them could be

809
00:30:44,162 --> 00:30:44,400
that.

810
00:30:45,115 --> 00:30:47,997
But there could be alien basis on earth

811
00:30:48,290 --> 00:30:50,037
of alien beings that have been here a

812
00:30:50,037 --> 00:30:50,593
long time.

813
00:30:51,402 --> 00:30:54,367
There's also another theory that bi pedal rep,

814
00:30:55,219 --> 00:30:57,127
which have been seen. I I got a

815
00:30:57,127 --> 00:30:58,979
report recently at 1

816
00:30:59,289 --> 00:31:01,280
they're seen in remote areas. I'd love to

817
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,475
hear about that. Maybe

818
00:31:03,271 --> 00:31:04,864
when the dinosaurs got killed.

819
00:31:05,581 --> 00:31:08,105
A lot of reptile went underground and maybe

820
00:31:08,224 --> 00:31:09,978
the evolve intelligent species.

821
00:31:10,854 --> 00:31:12,709
Another theory is that the nazis

822
00:31:13,564 --> 00:31:14,702
may have developed

823
00:31:16,368 --> 00:31:19,306
flying sauce or technology after, you know, during

824
00:31:19,306 --> 00:31:21,291
the war and after the war, they got

825
00:31:21,291 --> 00:31:23,832
bases at Antarctica. That's another theory.

826
00:31:24,706 --> 00:31:26,471
So... And it could all of the above.

827
00:31:27,665 --> 00:31:29,201
But I do believe that

828
00:31:30,214 --> 00:31:31,489
they are here,

829
00:31:32,604 --> 00:31:36,281
they're that they have very advanced technology systems.

830
00:31:37,236 --> 00:31:38,828
And but I can't prove that.

831
00:31:40,817 --> 00:31:42,090
I believe it, but I can't prove it.

832
00:31:42,741 --> 00:31:44,488
If you could prove it, you probably wouldn't

833
00:31:44,488 --> 00:31:44,886
be alive.

834
00:31:46,872 --> 00:31:47,110
Yeah.

835
00:31:47,904 --> 00:31:50,605
Yeah. That's so. I mean, III always joke

836
00:31:50,605 --> 00:31:52,089
with my friends and I sound like could

837
00:31:52,528 --> 00:31:55,077
conspiracy theorist, but everything's a conspiracy until it's

838
00:31:55,077 --> 00:31:56,931
proven true. And I don't know

839
00:31:57,307 --> 00:31:58,901
why it's so out of the realm of

840
00:31:58,901 --> 00:31:59,401
possibility

841
00:32:00,096 --> 00:32:03,056
to people. You know, if I'm a an

842
00:32:03,056 --> 00:32:06,159
exceptionally intelligent being, and I don't wanna be

843
00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:06,477
seen,

844
00:32:07,114 --> 00:32:08,409
I'm not gonna be seen

845
00:32:09,117 --> 00:32:11,502
I don't find it to be so surprising,

846
00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:12,718
but I also

847
00:32:13,172 --> 00:32:14,149
don't think

848
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:16,773
personally, and I feel like

849
00:32:17,244 --> 00:32:18,785
Probably more than 1

850
00:32:19,164 --> 00:32:21,325
for lack of a better word race of

851
00:32:21,325 --> 00:32:21,644
being,

852
00:32:22,204 --> 00:32:22,704
and

853
00:32:23,565 --> 00:32:24,765
I know people are gonna think I'm a

854
00:32:24,765 --> 00:32:26,660
luna sick, but I don't care. Let

855
00:32:27,336 --> 00:32:29,486
I also think that there's no way that

856
00:32:29,486 --> 00:32:32,192
our... At some point, our government, somebody in

857
00:32:32,192 --> 00:32:34,285
our government, some military, somebody

858
00:32:35,074 --> 00:32:37,711
But then to say, absolutely emphatic know and

859
00:32:37,711 --> 00:32:39,389
to say that it doesn't exist and all

860
00:32:39,389 --> 00:32:39,548
that.

861
00:32:40,347 --> 00:32:41,865
It seems pretty ridiculous to me.

862
00:32:43,077 --> 00:32:45,858
Especially give it all the sighting. Every... There's

863
00:32:45,858 --> 00:32:49,355
so many sighting. It's like saying dogs don't

864
00:32:49,355 --> 00:32:49,594
exist.

865
00:32:50,643 --> 00:32:52,954
Right. Let me comment on a couple of

866
00:32:52,954 --> 00:32:55,583
things you said, you mentioned signings in the

867
00:32:55,583 --> 00:32:57,336
18 hundreds and you also mentioned...

868
00:32:58,066 --> 00:33:00,684
Government knowledge. Well, here in Montana,

869
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,723
in a town near Ban, which is,

870
00:33:04,254 --> 00:33:06,731
let's old Western town. Is that where Henry

871
00:33:06,969 --> 00:33:09,140
P was hanged in the 18 hundreds

872
00:33:09,515 --> 00:33:10,969
of an outlaw.

873
00:33:11,344 --> 00:33:12,060
But anyhow,

874
00:33:12,935 --> 00:33:15,662
us a gentleman that's he's a retired tide

875
00:33:15,662 --> 00:33:17,119
and treasurer on her Hunt

876
00:33:17,656 --> 00:33:19,171
does a lot of gold and silver hunting,

877
00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:21,245
and there's a lot of mining in Montana,

878
00:33:21,644 --> 00:33:23,654
and he likes to go to old abandoned

879
00:33:23,654 --> 00:33:24,633
minds and

880
00:33:25,332 --> 00:33:28,128
treasure out. Well, anyhow, he came across his

881
00:33:28,128 --> 00:33:30,226
diary of a stage coach manager,

882
00:33:31,178 --> 00:33:33,985
Box 18 seventies said a spaceship crash

883
00:33:34,838 --> 00:33:35,554
near Ban.

884
00:33:36,429 --> 00:33:36,929
So

885
00:33:37,862 --> 00:33:40,514
we we researched it. We went down or

886
00:33:40,514 --> 00:33:42,115
it's in a ferry remote area,

887
00:33:42,595 --> 00:33:44,595
takes an all terrain vehicle to get in

888
00:33:44,595 --> 00:33:44,835
there.

889
00:33:45,807 --> 00:33:46,307
Is

890
00:33:46,842 --> 00:33:48,774
infested with rattle snakes. It's

891
00:33:49,149 --> 00:33:51,854
high. It's like, near seventh, I didn't see

892
00:33:51,854 --> 00:33:54,082
any rib phoenix by the way. But I

893
00:33:54,082 --> 00:33:55,765
had a heart time getting my gear in

894
00:33:55,765 --> 00:33:55,924
there,

895
00:33:56,638 --> 00:33:59,123
but we we took a lot of measurements

896
00:33:59,179 --> 00:34:02,196
and everything, and I didn't find anything compelling

897
00:34:02,196 --> 00:34:03,490
other than some magnetic

898
00:34:03,798 --> 00:34:04,115
anomalies,

899
00:34:04,670 --> 00:34:07,681
but the area looks to be artificial. It

900
00:34:07,681 --> 00:34:10,905
looks like it's doesn't belong there. Well, anomalies

901
00:34:11,503 --> 00:34:13,977
The real bottom line in this story is

902
00:34:13,977 --> 00:34:15,196
that this pilot

903
00:34:15,574 --> 00:34:16,792
a retired pilot

904
00:34:17,170 --> 00:34:20,619
kept getting these calls from Nas sir. Wanting

905
00:34:20,619 --> 00:34:21,099
to know,

906
00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:24,559
hey, what's going on? We want... We want

907
00:34:24,619 --> 00:34:26,059
to know what's in this area.

908
00:34:26,699 --> 00:34:28,355
He would he ignored them

909
00:34:28,952 --> 00:34:31,181
Finally, 1 day a few weeks later,

910
00:34:32,215 --> 00:34:34,308
this Suv pulls up

911
00:34:34,684 --> 00:34:36,219
by his house with Nasa

912
00:34:36,769 --> 00:34:38,767
side. 4 guys get out men.

913
00:34:39,646 --> 00:34:41,244
And they said you're gonna take us up

914
00:34:41,244 --> 00:34:42,223
to this craft.

915
00:34:43,002 --> 00:34:44,815
And he said, All drive said, no. Your

916
00:34:44,934 --> 00:34:47,175
riding with us. They spent all day up

917
00:34:47,175 --> 00:34:48,775
there. They had all kinds of gear.

918
00:34:49,815 --> 00:34:50,315
And

919
00:34:51,815 --> 00:34:52,909
finally, they left,

920
00:34:54,543 --> 00:34:56,057
you know, at the end of the day

921
00:34:56,057 --> 00:34:57,572
and they said nothing is there.

922
00:34:58,608 --> 00:34:59,586
This was a

923
00:34:59,963 --> 00:35:02,602
meteor crashed. There's no meter rocks or or

924
00:35:02,602 --> 00:35:03,634
meter rocks or black.

925
00:35:04,269 --> 00:35:06,096
And my take on the whole thing is,

926
00:35:07,366 --> 00:35:09,692
number 1, they weren't Nasa. They were Cia,

927
00:35:10,065 --> 00:35:10,119
well

928
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:11,760
And number 2,

929
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,860
we had the phone number

930
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,720
that they called and we we call that

931
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:17,494
phone number

932
00:35:17,853 --> 00:35:19,928
and it was auto order, and that's a

933
00:35:20,007 --> 00:35:21,763
Lang leave Virginia phone number.

934
00:35:22,561 --> 00:35:24,396
That's where the Cia is located.

935
00:35:25,284 --> 00:35:27,744
And they threatened him, and I say, well,

936
00:35:27,822 --> 00:35:30,519
he's bull and smoke well, when when the

937
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,344
agents were there, whoever they were.

938
00:35:33,155 --> 00:35:34,195
1 of his friends,

939
00:35:34,755 --> 00:35:36,034
otter of town friends called.

940
00:35:37,235 --> 00:35:37,735
And

941
00:35:39,554 --> 00:35:42,068
and and warren the name of my contact

942
00:35:43,554 --> 00:35:45,619
passed the phone to 1 of the agents,

943
00:35:46,493 --> 00:35:48,025
and they told this guy

944
00:35:48,478 --> 00:35:50,702
you stay out of there, and this guy

945
00:35:50,702 --> 00:35:51,989
told a f off.

946
00:35:52,945 --> 00:35:54,240
And so

947
00:35:54,615 --> 00:35:57,184
why they were interested because

948
00:35:58,689 --> 00:36:00,859
they did not want civilian people

949
00:36:01,473 --> 00:36:02,427
potentially filing,

950
00:36:03,064 --> 00:36:05,314
finding you an alien spacecraft.

951
00:36:05,862 --> 00:36:08,322
Potential alien artifacts. They found out about it

952
00:36:08,322 --> 00:36:10,068
for the media because it's got some coverage

953
00:36:10,068 --> 00:36:12,686
in the local media. Sure. And and they

954
00:36:12,686 --> 00:36:14,212
found they didn't find anything.

955
00:36:14,769 --> 00:36:17,632
But what that told me is yes. They

956
00:36:17,632 --> 00:36:19,644
do have a vested interest in Ufo.

957
00:36:20,434 --> 00:36:22,032
And this was a case where they might

958
00:36:22,032 --> 00:36:23,471
have slipped through their fingers.

959
00:36:23,950 --> 00:36:25,867
So they took an interest in until they

960
00:36:25,867 --> 00:36:26,827
didn't find anything.

961
00:36:27,465 --> 00:36:27,965
So

962
00:36:28,916 --> 00:36:29,735
old case

963
00:36:30,428 --> 00:36:31,382
and number 2,

964
00:36:32,019 --> 00:36:33,291
a case of

965
00:36:34,326 --> 00:36:35,280
government interest.

966
00:36:35,852 --> 00:36:36,170
Yeah.

967
00:36:36,806 --> 00:36:38,658
What is the most compelling

968
00:36:39,192 --> 00:36:41,123
Ufo sighting that you have

969
00:36:41,577 --> 00:36:42,554
researched yourself

970
00:36:43,724 --> 00:36:46,284
that you could speak? That's a call question

971
00:36:46,284 --> 00:36:47,396
because there's been so many.

972
00:36:48,032 --> 00:36:48,850
1 that

973
00:36:49,384 --> 00:36:51,235
stands out to me is

974
00:36:52,006 --> 00:36:54,335
a case in dana point

975
00:36:55,364 --> 00:36:55,864
California,

976
00:36:57,204 --> 00:36:58,744
I believe it was March

977
00:36:59,364 --> 00:37:00,484
2007.

978
00:37:01,125 --> 00:37:03,045
The guy was walking in the morning,

979
00:37:03,445 --> 00:37:04,139
sunny morning

980
00:37:05,295 --> 00:37:07,228
and he sees this dish shake kraft

981
00:37:08,003 --> 00:37:10,951
fly about jet speed. It stops and hover.

982
00:37:11,443 --> 00:37:13,746
He shoots a photo of it. It zips

983
00:37:13,746 --> 00:37:16,208
away and goes into the water, near Catalina

984
00:37:16,288 --> 00:37:16,685
Island.

985
00:37:18,036 --> 00:37:20,590
I've had... I've analyzed that photo. I've had

986
00:37:20,590 --> 00:37:21,090
people

987
00:37:21,858 --> 00:37:22,358
do

988
00:37:22,888 --> 00:37:23,388
forensic

989
00:37:23,918 --> 00:37:26,217
animation of it, forensic study in the local

990
00:37:26,217 --> 00:37:26,613
area,

991
00:37:27,423 --> 00:37:29,894
That is a very compelling case. A lot

992
00:37:29,894 --> 00:37:32,206
of Ufo have been seeing that area going

993
00:37:32,206 --> 00:37:33,960
into the water, coming out of the water

994
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,076
in Catalina Island.

995
00:37:35,969 --> 00:37:37,489
That's a very interesting case.

996
00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:40,469
Another point fast forward

997
00:37:42,289 --> 00:37:43,010
9 years,

998
00:37:44,462 --> 00:37:46,233
January 2016,

999
00:37:47,956 --> 00:37:48,456
N,

1000
00:37:49,067 --> 00:37:49,306
Utah.

1001
00:37:50,099 --> 00:37:53,117
The head of the mutual Ufo network in

1002
00:37:53,117 --> 00:37:53,489
in

1003
00:37:55,365 --> 00:37:58,717
Utah contacted me because I have some expertise

1004
00:37:58,717 --> 00:37:59,217
and

1005
00:37:59,674 --> 00:38:01,644
background and analysis of,

1006
00:38:02,162 --> 00:38:03,912
weather and aviation radar.

1007
00:38:04,867 --> 00:38:05,106
Well,

1008
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:06,618
a,

1009
00:38:07,573 --> 00:38:08,687
a local person,

1010
00:38:09,483 --> 00:38:12,047
ham radio operator, who actually has his own

1011
00:38:12,127 --> 00:38:13,085
Ufo show.

1012
00:38:14,043 --> 00:38:15,959
Had a scanner on 1 night. And he

1013
00:38:15,959 --> 00:38:16,699
hears this

1014
00:38:17,716 --> 00:38:20,451
airline pilot talking the Faa about a Ufo

1015
00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:20,670
site.

1016
00:38:21,644 --> 00:38:23,405
Asking if they had it on radar.

1017
00:38:24,204 --> 00:38:26,144
He's flying at 31000

1018
00:38:26,204 --> 00:38:26,704
feet

1019
00:38:27,244 --> 00:38:28,065
near n

1020
00:38:28,364 --> 00:38:28,605
utah.

1021
00:38:29,179 --> 00:38:31,659
Sees huge light on the ground.

1022
00:38:32,460 --> 00:38:32,960
Ps,

1023
00:38:33,339 --> 00:38:34,539
do you have it in radar?

1024
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:36,779
Response, no we do not.

1025
00:38:37,831 --> 00:38:38,331
And

1026
00:38:39,025 --> 00:38:39,661
so we,

1027
00:38:41,014 --> 00:38:41,412
myself,

1028
00:38:42,845 --> 00:38:43,083
the,

1029
00:38:45,168 --> 00:38:47,983
Erica Luke, who's the Fund director

1030
00:38:48,999 --> 00:38:51,175
and Pat Daniels, who is the

1031
00:38:52,031 --> 00:38:52,531
the

1032
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,423
ham radio operator that got the data. We

1033
00:38:56,423 --> 00:38:58,332
kinda looked into this. We found some air

1034
00:38:58,332 --> 00:39:00,401
traffic control voice tapes online.

1035
00:39:02,008 --> 00:39:04,402
Got a portion of the actual broadcast.

1036
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,876
We didn't even know the airline we find

1037
00:39:06,876 --> 00:39:09,131
a determine it was American airlines

1038
00:39:10,157 --> 00:39:12,697
that had taken off from San Francisco was

1039
00:39:12,697 --> 00:39:14,602
flying in route to Philadelphia.

1040
00:39:14,998 --> 00:39:16,427
This happened about midnight.

1041
00:39:17,539 --> 00:39:19,407
So right we obtained

1042
00:39:19,785 --> 00:39:20,902
more of the voice tapes,

1043
00:39:21,619 --> 00:39:23,694
some of which had been redacted. I have

1044
00:39:23,694 --> 00:39:24,971
always almost direct proof of that.

1045
00:39:25,703 --> 00:39:26,841
But we found

1046
00:39:27,936 --> 00:39:28,436
iphone

1047
00:39:29,532 --> 00:39:32,185
in an isolated area all kinds of radar

1048
00:39:32,323 --> 00:39:34,556
returns. Right Well this pilot the saw sergeant.

1049
00:39:35,687 --> 00:39:36,187
And

1050
00:39:37,117 --> 00:39:38,015
those radar

1051
00:39:38,389 --> 00:39:39,286
returns at

1052
00:39:39,979 --> 00:39:42,204
they they were there for a good half

1053
00:39:42,204 --> 00:39:42,522
hour,

1054
00:39:43,556 --> 00:39:44,056
and

1055
00:39:45,244 --> 00:39:47,561
what every rotation, the rate would be 1

1056
00:39:47,561 --> 00:39:50,378
to 3 returns. They're right in the valley

1057
00:39:50,836 --> 00:39:53,561
by Ne, Utah right where this site object

1058
00:39:53,561 --> 00:39:54,117
was cited.

1059
00:39:54,911 --> 00:39:56,762
So that's 1 of the more forensic

1060
00:39:57,216 --> 00:39:59,146
compelling settings. I've ever got

1061
00:39:59,600 --> 00:39:59,655
where

1062
00:40:00,411 --> 00:40:01,127
Another case,

1063
00:40:02,003 --> 00:40:03,515
and I can't remember this was in the

1064
00:40:03,674 --> 00:40:05,346
Carolina as I'd have to look on my

1065
00:40:05,346 --> 00:40:05,664
site.

1066
00:40:07,176 --> 00:40:09,348
Actually, your your viewers if they wanna,

1067
00:40:10,936 --> 00:40:13,331
I'll kinda get sidetracked here a minute. If

1068
00:40:13,331 --> 00:40:15,327
they wanna find my best site and just

1069
00:40:15,327 --> 00:40:18,360
go go to my my site my my

1070
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,840
web site. I'm actually gonna look here. Yeah.

1071
00:40:20,999 --> 00:40:22,429
I'll put I'll put links to all that

1072
00:40:22,429 --> 00:40:24,121
stuff on my hey human podcast.

1073
00:40:24,814 --> 00:40:26,801
And then go go go to

1074
00:40:31,031 --> 00:40:32,327
on my top menu,

1075
00:40:32,702 --> 00:40:33,202
and

1076
00:40:34,134 --> 00:40:34,849
you can see,

1077
00:40:36,854 --> 00:40:37,754
top cases

1078
00:40:38,533 --> 00:40:39,572
and and

1079
00:40:41,010 --> 00:40:42,848
click on that in the cases that I

1080
00:40:42,848 --> 00:40:44,707
filtered that are the most compelling

1081
00:40:45,086 --> 00:40:45,885
will show up,

1082
00:40:47,097 --> 00:40:49,327
I'll specifically mention another case,

1083
00:40:50,363 --> 00:40:51,399
and and

1084
00:40:53,072 --> 00:40:54,050
this was in

1085
00:40:54,666 --> 00:40:55,644
1 of the Carolina

1086
00:40:56,594 --> 00:40:57,492
I can't remember

1087
00:40:58,428 --> 00:41:00,182
the North Carolina South Carolina.

1088
00:41:00,821 --> 00:41:03,394
I'd have to I'd have to actually look

1089
00:41:03,772 --> 00:41:06,219
in detail to to find it, but

1090
00:41:07,926 --> 00:41:10,013
this particular case woman

1091
00:41:10,942 --> 00:41:12,847
had taken a friend home.

1092
00:41:14,292 --> 00:41:16,284
And she was driving back was only about

1093
00:41:16,284 --> 00:41:17,797
a 10 or 15 mile trip.

1094
00:41:18,435 --> 00:41:19,732
And I believe it was

1095
00:41:21,144 --> 00:41:23,157
probably around midnight maybe

1096
00:41:24,109 --> 00:41:25,148
a little bit later.

1097
00:41:26,186 --> 00:41:27,065
All of a sudden,

1098
00:41:29,063 --> 00:41:30,442
she... Her car

1099
00:41:30,820 --> 00:41:31,220
stopped.

1100
00:41:32,508 --> 00:41:33,881
And starts shaking

1101
00:41:34,572 --> 00:41:36,635
just like someone is shaking her car.

1102
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:39,986
And she sees this weird light outside her

1103
00:41:39,986 --> 00:41:40,384
wind.

1104
00:41:41,738 --> 00:41:43,729
Next thing she remember she comes to,

1105
00:41:44,366 --> 00:41:45,583
Luca car starts

1106
00:41:46,038 --> 00:41:46,914
on this road,

1107
00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:50,366
and her she

1108
00:41:51,133 --> 00:41:52,084
3 hours are going.

1109
00:41:53,985 --> 00:41:57,280
She guy drives home and she's just petrified

1110
00:41:57,814 --> 00:41:59,723
and her friend... She didn't go him. She

1111
00:41:59,723 --> 00:42:00,916
drives to her friend's house.

1112
00:42:01,871 --> 00:42:04,043
And her frances says, where were you? I

1113
00:42:04,043 --> 00:42:06,040
was calling in on his cell phone. Her

1114
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,558
cell phone was right on the seat.

1115
00:42:08,358 --> 00:42:10,595
3 calls went to voice mail during this

1116
00:42:10,595 --> 00:42:11,247
time period.

1117
00:42:12,122 --> 00:42:13,577
They call the police

1118
00:42:14,349 --> 00:42:15,327
and the police

1119
00:42:18,024 --> 00:42:20,490
kinda laughed it off as a meteor sighting.

1120
00:42:21,524 --> 00:42:22,024
And

1121
00:42:22,558 --> 00:42:23,058
so

1122
00:42:23,433 --> 00:42:24,308
case and point,

1123
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:27,907
what wasn't? I mean, she she was petrified.

1124
00:42:28,386 --> 00:42:31,255
I interviewed her, by actual voice tape or

1125
00:42:31,255 --> 00:42:31,892
her interview,

1126
00:42:33,023 --> 00:42:33,980
is on my site.

1127
00:42:34,936 --> 00:42:35,335
And

1128
00:42:35,893 --> 00:42:38,843
so that that particular case stands out. What

1129
00:42:38,843 --> 00:42:40,677
do you think is the deal with the

1130
00:42:40,677 --> 00:42:42,765
lost time? That people experience.

1131
00:42:44,836 --> 00:42:46,133
I really think there's

1132
00:42:48,263 --> 00:42:49,871
2 reasons for that me it could have

1133
00:42:49,871 --> 00:42:51,225
been a potential abduction,

1134
00:42:52,261 --> 00:42:54,013
or I I think actually,

1135
00:42:54,809 --> 00:42:57,279
there's a time and space warp around these

1136
00:42:57,358 --> 00:42:57,858
Ufo

1137
00:42:58,488 --> 00:43:00,078
I think that too. I feel like in

1138
00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:02,145
order for them to to for some of

1139
00:43:02,145 --> 00:43:03,894
them at least. And this is my own

1140
00:43:03,894 --> 00:43:05,961
theory in my own brain. I'm am obviously

1141
00:43:05,961 --> 00:43:07,510
not a physicist, but

1142
00:43:09,555 --> 00:43:11,464
that you would have to bend a time

1143
00:43:11,464 --> 00:43:12,839
in order for your

1144
00:43:13,389 --> 00:43:14,820
to do what they do in order to

1145
00:43:14,820 --> 00:43:16,729
travel where they're traveling to and from,

1146
00:43:17,684 --> 00:43:20,070
1 would imagine they've mastered the art of.

1147
00:43:20,484 --> 00:43:23,118
Spending time and tearing through some space.

1148
00:43:24,555 --> 00:43:26,949
I mean, Einstein theorized it. Right? That it

1149
00:43:26,949 --> 00:43:27,768
is a possibility.

1150
00:43:28,147 --> 00:43:30,317
You just didn't know how to it. Right.

1151
00:43:30,715 --> 00:43:33,109
I had another case also of a,

1152
00:43:34,465 --> 00:43:36,755
a different type of time dilation, but

1153
00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:39,358
this was

1154
00:43:40,048 --> 00:43:43,222
actually not too far from Roswell, volume, near

1155
00:43:43,222 --> 00:43:45,389
the vaughan new Mexico area which is

1156
00:43:45,778 --> 00:43:46,974
I don't whether you ever been in new

1157
00:43:47,134 --> 00:43:48,112
Mexico, but

1158
00:43:48,489 --> 00:43:50,004
if you drive from Albuquerque,

1159
00:43:50,721 --> 00:43:52,316
a couple times I went down there. I

1160
00:43:52,316 --> 00:43:54,204
flew to Albuquerque and rented a car door

1161
00:43:54,324 --> 00:43:54,961
the Roswell.

1162
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,148
You drive through a ton called Vaughan. Well,

1163
00:43:58,228 --> 00:43:59,445
this guy was a

1164
00:44:00,060 --> 00:44:01,117
a truck driver

1165
00:44:01,983 --> 00:44:02,697
And he was,

1166
00:44:05,234 --> 00:44:07,374
truck and used cars or but to use

1167
00:44:07,374 --> 00:44:08,484
cars bought by

1168
00:44:09,532 --> 00:44:12,396
use car loss of AAA

1169
00:44:12,396 --> 00:44:14,623
rental car auction, hurts rental car auction in

1170
00:44:14,782 --> 00:44:15,101
Denver.

1171
00:44:15,896 --> 00:44:16,269
And

1172
00:44:18,060 --> 00:44:19,970
a lot of truck drivers driving in the

1173
00:44:19,970 --> 00:44:22,061
middle of the night for traffic and

1174
00:44:23,391 --> 00:44:25,594
and also it's a lot cooler in our

1175
00:44:26,033 --> 00:44:27,649
it's brutally hot in the southwest.

1176
00:44:29,222 --> 00:44:31,555
And I believe he had dropped

1177
00:44:32,489 --> 00:44:35,209
free cars off somewhere and he he was

1178
00:44:35,209 --> 00:44:37,035
on his way to el Paso, Texas.

1179
00:44:38,146 --> 00:44:38,646
And

1180
00:44:39,495 --> 00:44:41,321
he he pulled off the side of the

1181
00:44:41,321 --> 00:44:42,512
road to check his load.

1182
00:44:44,035 --> 00:44:44,535
And

1183
00:44:45,781 --> 00:44:47,210
he... All of a sudden,

1184
00:44:47,765 --> 00:44:49,750
he kinda fuses his hair stand on end,

1185
00:44:50,147 --> 00:44:51,710
like there's electricity in the air

1186
00:44:52,227 --> 00:44:54,535
He had a long flashlight. His flashlight went

1187
00:44:54,535 --> 00:44:56,605
off. His truck turned off widely.

1188
00:44:57,401 --> 00:44:59,311
He looks up and there's there's huge.

1189
00:45:00,281 --> 00:45:01,554
Triangular shaped hobby,

1190
00:45:02,190 --> 00:45:04,338
coming from the south right over the top

1191
00:45:04,338 --> 00:45:06,190
of a b out the stars

1192
00:45:07,458 --> 00:45:09,936
Pain and what to do? Is trucks stalled,

1193
00:45:11,054 --> 00:45:12,173
flashlight night's dead.

1194
00:45:12,972 --> 00:45:15,150
So he said what he usually does is

1195
00:45:15,703 --> 00:45:17,454
he gets in the back of the car,

1196
00:45:18,171 --> 00:45:19,865
his truck and backs off

1197
00:45:20,718 --> 00:45:22,469
1 of the cars in Go gives hell.

1198
00:45:23,837 --> 00:45:26,145
He goes back there car wouldn't start.

1199
00:45:27,259 --> 00:45:28,054
All of a sudden,

1200
00:45:29,089 --> 00:45:30,894
the Ufo starts retreating

1201
00:45:32,207 --> 00:45:33,242
fly reverse.

1202
00:45:33,958 --> 00:45:37,538
His his truck starts, his flashlight comes on.

1203
00:45:38,652 --> 00:45:39,980
He gets the heck on

1204
00:45:40,892 --> 00:45:42,582
next morning in El Paso,

1205
00:45:43,351 --> 00:45:44,938
they're unloading some cars,

1206
00:45:46,049 --> 00:45:47,580
and he makes a discovery

1207
00:45:48,271 --> 00:45:50,383
for the clock in his truck

1208
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,757
had lost time. The clock in the car...

1209
00:45:54,997 --> 00:45:56,889
How does he know it? He wind up

1210
00:45:57,009 --> 00:45:58,043
clock and his sleeper.

1211
00:45:59,077 --> 00:46:00,110
He looked at that clock.

1212
00:46:00,826 --> 00:46:02,416
13 minutes were lost.

1213
00:46:03,211 --> 00:46:04,189
All clocks

1214
00:46:04,722 --> 00:46:05,873
including the clocks

1215
00:46:06,405 --> 00:46:07,699
in his cars

1216
00:46:08,072 --> 00:46:10,057
that he backed out lost 13 minutes.

1217
00:46:10,850 --> 00:46:14,599
Interesting. So No, another case in point. Yeah.

1218
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:17,159
I. You know what It's funny to say,

1219
00:46:18,039 --> 00:46:20,519
the argument, of course is that... Well, if

1220
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:23,087
there was alien life, they were visiting us,

1221
00:46:23,643 --> 00:46:25,470
of course, we would be told, but key

1222
00:46:25,470 --> 00:46:26,661
imagine the pan pneumonia,

1223
00:46:27,217 --> 00:46:28,806
religion would be set on its ear.

1224
00:46:29,521 --> 00:46:31,530
If we're supposed to be the only

1225
00:46:32,953 --> 00:46:35,179
people made in God's image, you know?

1226
00:46:35,973 --> 00:46:38,279
And suddenly there are other beings out there

1227
00:46:38,279 --> 00:46:40,603
that would that would mess up some pretty

1228
00:46:40,603 --> 00:46:41,402
intense religions,

1229
00:46:42,202 --> 00:46:45,478
doctrines. Right? And you you you mentioned that

1230
00:46:45,478 --> 00:46:47,177
point, and at that very

1231
00:46:48,115 --> 00:46:48,615
same

1232
00:46:49,329 --> 00:46:51,481
concept was reduced by the Rand

1233
00:46:52,198 --> 00:46:52,698
Corporation

1234
00:46:53,473 --> 00:46:56,103
in a Nasa funded study in 19 60,

1235
00:46:56,262 --> 00:46:59,150
and a they wanted a group of extra

1236
00:46:59,150 --> 00:46:59,650
soc

1237
00:47:00,187 --> 00:47:00,586
economist,

1238
00:47:04,656 --> 00:47:05,156
religion

1239
00:47:05,786 --> 00:47:06,683
you know, ministers,

1240
00:47:08,086 --> 00:47:09,062
Clergy people

1241
00:47:09,514 --> 00:47:12,447
to comment on this and even scientists. And

1242
00:47:12,447 --> 00:47:13,375
they said that

1243
00:47:14,052 --> 00:47:15,828
if terrestrial life

1244
00:47:16,844 --> 00:47:19,156
was here and that the public knew it,

1245
00:47:19,954 --> 00:47:22,766
it would cause pan in the financial markets

1246
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,796
in religious circles. Yeah. People wouldn't not to

1247
00:47:25,796 --> 00:47:28,753
handle it. I feel right. And Yeah. I

1248
00:47:28,753 --> 00:47:30,691
do believe that today that

1249
00:47:31,310 --> 00:47:34,036
that might change somewhat? Sure. It's getting... I

1250
00:47:34,195 --> 00:47:35,869
I have a joke with my friends also

1251
00:47:35,869 --> 00:47:38,499
that the media tries to lessen the blow

1252
00:47:38,499 --> 00:47:41,224
of things, you know, They have movies about

1253
00:47:41,224 --> 00:47:44,912
ghosts and demons and then aliens and contact

1254
00:47:45,130 --> 00:47:47,862
and you know, they're slowly getting people's awareness

1255
00:47:48,014 --> 00:47:49,153
an openness

1256
00:47:49,771 --> 00:47:52,266
through the media because people aren't quite easily

1257
00:47:52,324 --> 00:47:55,777
manipulated by media, course. Right. So it was

1258
00:47:56,076 --> 00:47:58,894
bring up the fact that that that particular

1259
00:47:58,950 --> 00:48:01,567
case that I just mentioned was in great

1260
00:48:01,726 --> 00:48:02,043
Court,

1261
00:48:02,678 --> 00:48:03,495
South Carolina

1262
00:48:03,804 --> 00:48:06,610
bottled up on my website. Great court so.

1263
00:48:06,827 --> 00:48:10,168
Oh, Great Court, South Carolina. So... So are

1264
00:48:10,168 --> 00:48:12,887
drive your if any of your viewers or

1265
00:48:12,887 --> 00:48:14,955
listeners are interested in that case,

1266
00:48:15,512 --> 00:48:17,683
I I have an actual tape

1267
00:48:18,058 --> 00:48:18,956
of the witness

1268
00:48:20,302 --> 00:48:22,932
The girl? Interviews. Yeah. On that stuff. Great.

1269
00:48:23,251 --> 00:48:24,628
They'll definitely have link.

1270
00:48:25,164 --> 00:48:26,281
I'll link to all that stuff.

1271
00:48:26,918 --> 00:48:28,869
Yeah. Happened on seventh

1272
00:48:29,406 --> 00:48:30,602
2015.

1273
00:48:31,161 --> 00:48:33,096
So I remember reading

1274
00:48:33,473 --> 00:48:33,973
something

1275
00:48:34,510 --> 00:48:36,026
somewhere in the back of my brain pan.

1276
00:48:36,265 --> 00:48:39,012
I remember that there was was an asked,

1277
00:48:40,023 --> 00:48:42,035
some astronaut saw something

1278
00:48:42,807 --> 00:48:45,090
and had reported and that actually had... Was

1279
00:48:45,289 --> 00:48:48,427
video, and then the video got static out

1280
00:48:48,566 --> 00:48:49,285
by Nasa.

1281
00:48:49,924 --> 00:48:50,963
Do you know about this?

1282
00:48:52,322 --> 00:48:54,753
Well there's been several instances of

1283
00:48:55,286 --> 00:48:56,024
of astronauts,

1284
00:48:57,192 --> 00:49:00,473
you know, talking about Ufo sighting and

1285
00:49:01,085 --> 00:49:01,659
as, of course,

1286
00:49:02,617 --> 00:49:05,414
every all the videos and photos and everything

1287
00:49:05,414 --> 00:49:05,914
that

1288
00:49:07,411 --> 00:49:09,664
all that information, and gather from the space

1289
00:49:09,664 --> 00:49:11,045
station of the shuttle or

1290
00:49:11,824 --> 00:49:13,505
or even missions to the moon,

1291
00:49:14,304 --> 00:49:16,324
you know, that they they don't,

1292
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:18,478
they're not gonna have a camera with them

1293
00:49:18,478 --> 00:49:20,715
and just come home and show their camera

1294
00:49:20,715 --> 00:49:22,633
to their family. I mean, that goes through

1295
00:49:22,793 --> 00:49:23,192
Nasa.

1296
00:49:23,911 --> 00:49:26,642
And and actually, you know, I a lot

1297
00:49:26,642 --> 00:49:27,541
of that Nasa

1298
00:49:27,918 --> 00:49:28,737
information and

1299
00:49:29,912 --> 00:49:31,130
this gentleman and

1300
00:49:31,827 --> 00:49:33,740
depends on who you talked to Nasa distance

1301
00:49:33,740 --> 00:49:34,538
survey gentlemen.

1302
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:36,710
Gary Mc mclean,

1303
00:49:37,429 --> 00:49:40,410
this English guy. He he he actually hacked

1304
00:49:40,789 --> 00:49:42,730
in the defense department in

1305
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:43,530
Nasa

1306
00:49:43,989 --> 00:49:47,028
websites. And they wanted to lock him up

1307
00:49:47,028 --> 00:49:48,539
and throw away the key. I think his

1308
00:49:48,539 --> 00:49:50,153
mother finally got him

1309
00:49:51,721 --> 00:49:53,987
shield from that, and they wouldn't

1310
00:49:54,365 --> 00:49:56,120
him because she said that he had metal

1311
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:56,838
problems well,

1312
00:49:57,955 --> 00:49:59,731
why why did they wanna come after

1313
00:50:00,123 --> 00:50:02,500
did hack in the government systems, and he

1314
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:03,317
found Ufo

1315
00:50:03,768 --> 00:50:06,171
information. I mean, even at the point that

1316
00:50:07,255 --> 00:50:10,809
they nasa was cooperating with non terrestrial species

1317
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:13,690
on this. And he found that

1318
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:15,029
in his...

1319
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:18,260
When he hacked in and Nasa website and

1320
00:50:18,476 --> 00:50:22,059
also win the defense department website. So... Yeah.

1321
00:50:22,298 --> 00:50:24,448
You know, you they're well, down do know

1322
00:50:24,448 --> 00:50:24,925
about it. Well,

1323
00:50:25,659 --> 00:50:27,339
you know, you get a few things like

1324
00:50:27,339 --> 00:50:29,119
that, and you gotta believe that they probably

1325
00:50:29,179 --> 00:50:31,179
do. Well, there's a lot of information that

1326
00:50:31,179 --> 00:50:32,940
they don't release the public. I have a

1327
00:50:32,940 --> 00:50:33,715
friend who

1328
00:50:34,152 --> 00:50:37,092
an an Nasa affiliate physicist, and he...

1329
00:50:38,364 --> 00:50:40,272
Do you remember when they released information about

1330
00:50:40,272 --> 00:50:40,987
the super Earth,

1331
00:50:41,958 --> 00:50:44,034
And they said, oh, we've discovered that there's,

1332
00:50:44,193 --> 00:50:45,789
you know, these 2II

1333
00:50:45,789 --> 00:50:47,386
can't remember where they said 2 or 5

1334
00:50:47,386 --> 00:50:48,025
super earth's,

1335
00:50:48,743 --> 00:50:50,751
you know, a hundred thousand light year away.

1336
00:50:51,149 --> 00:50:53,954
Yada yada likely to have inhabitants

1337
00:50:55,521 --> 00:50:56,634
very much like our own.

1338
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:58,780
And if not, that we would be able

1339
00:50:58,780 --> 00:50:59,598
to live there

1340
00:51:00,306 --> 00:51:02,690
the atmosphere is correct and all that. Well,

1341
00:51:02,848 --> 00:51:05,710
he had called me before that article came

1342
00:51:05,710 --> 00:51:08,411
out before the news media received the information.

1343
00:51:08,824 --> 00:51:09,064
Season,

1344
00:51:09,943 --> 00:51:12,021
you're never gonna guess. So what we've figured,

1345
00:51:12,181 --> 00:51:13,619
you know, we've seen and we figured out,

1346
00:51:13,699 --> 00:51:16,017
but they're not gonna tell the public about

1347
00:51:16,017 --> 00:51:17,695
it. They're only gonna tell them about a

1348
00:51:17,695 --> 00:51:19,147
couple of them, but we found at least

1349
00:51:19,147 --> 00:51:19,545
20,

1350
00:51:20,580 --> 00:51:22,650
but they can't say that out loud because

1351
00:51:22,650 --> 00:51:24,163
you know I was like, you shouldn't be

1352
00:51:24,163 --> 00:51:26,233
talking on unsecured phone line, Buddy.

1353
00:51:27,363 --> 00:51:29,034
But I will keep that to heart.

1354
00:51:30,228 --> 00:51:31,740
And no. I'm laughing it, but I don't

1355
00:51:31,740 --> 00:51:31,979
care.

1356
00:51:33,730 --> 00:51:34,367
What, you know?

1357
00:51:35,813 --> 00:51:37,666
You mentioned Nasa and

1358
00:51:38,438 --> 00:51:39,733
what will be the

1359
00:51:40,426 --> 00:51:40,926
official

1360
00:51:41,539 --> 00:51:42,971
disclosure when it happens.

1361
00:51:44,084 --> 00:51:45,212
In my, canyon,

1362
00:51:46,802 --> 00:51:50,141
it'll likely be astronomers that discover extra trust

1363
00:51:50,141 --> 00:51:52,231
your life and it can't be denied

1364
00:51:53,898 --> 00:51:56,215
That's kind is submission. Though, do you think

1365
00:51:56,215 --> 00:51:58,452
that that's under the assumption that they're... That

1366
00:51:58,452 --> 00:52:01,425
it's an inflammatory thing. Not an interdimensional thing.

1367
00:52:01,905 --> 00:52:04,305
And then well this be. I mean, not

1368
00:52:04,305 --> 00:52:05,605
they're not gonna see anything

1369
00:52:05,985 --> 00:52:08,719
interdimensional, but the... I mean, I I don't

1370
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:09,940
have any doubt that

1371
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,679
there's intelligent life.

1372
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,960
I mean, in our galaxy. I mean, III

1373
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,971
believe it. I mean, we might even find

1374
00:52:18,971 --> 00:52:20,248
life in our solar system,

1375
00:52:21,525 --> 00:52:22,802
maybe not intelligent life.

1376
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:24,020
But

1377
00:52:24,478 --> 00:52:26,909
Nasa actually is look... At this

1378
00:52:27,527 --> 00:52:30,084
star system 1500 light years away.

1379
00:52:31,043 --> 00:52:33,200
And they believe they found something like a

1380
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,353
dyson sphere

1381
00:52:34,809 --> 00:52:37,380
because they... There's artificial what they think is

1382
00:52:37,437 --> 00:52:38,733
artificial infrared light,

1383
00:52:39,826 --> 00:52:41,339
emitting from the star system,

1384
00:52:41,897 --> 00:52:44,167
and it's too close to the star

1385
00:52:44,705 --> 00:52:46,062
to be a planet, and they think it's

1386
00:52:46,062 --> 00:52:48,378
an artificial what they call it dyson sphere.

1387
00:52:49,255 --> 00:52:52,130
And and dyson sphere is an artificial environment.

1388
00:52:52,940 --> 00:52:54,473
They can't prove it, but

1389
00:52:55,324 --> 00:52:57,709
it'll be that type of thing where they

1390
00:52:57,709 --> 00:52:58,209
can

1391
00:52:59,219 --> 00:52:59,719
verify,

1392
00:53:01,047 --> 00:53:03,797
in call preferably that there's a non terrestrial

1393
00:53:04,416 --> 00:53:05,636
intelligent life forms

1394
00:53:06,255 --> 00:53:08,172
all outside our solar system. Well, as soon

1395
00:53:08,172 --> 00:53:10,490
as we find intelligent life forms on this

1396
00:53:10,490 --> 00:53:12,503
planet, we him handle elf.

1397
00:53:13,302 --> 00:53:13,702
I know.

1398
00:53:14,421 --> 00:53:17,378
The wonder how intelligent we are know. Exactly.

1399
00:53:18,017 --> 00:53:19,909
We're a hostile species. We

1400
00:53:20,670 --> 00:53:22,670
killing show. We are a very hostile say

1401
00:53:22,670 --> 00:53:24,510
me, if I was an extraterrestrial and I

1402
00:53:24,510 --> 00:53:25,949
came to this planet. I think I'd take

1403
00:53:25,949 --> 00:53:27,804
a step back or 2 because I would

1404
00:53:27,804 --> 00:53:30,045
wanna end up on a gu somewhere, and

1405
00:53:30,045 --> 00:53:32,065
we are Very violent species.

1406
00:53:33,964 --> 00:53:37,489
Very young, very young, very violent very? Right.

1407
00:53:37,887 --> 00:53:38,285
Primal.

1408
00:53:39,636 --> 00:53:41,942
Well, you know, I... I... You mentioned that

1409
00:53:41,942 --> 00:53:43,555
a violent species and

1410
00:53:44,407 --> 00:53:46,972
I... You mentioned tough cases. Well I had

1411
00:53:46,972 --> 00:53:48,887
another case, this was in Missouri,

1412
00:53:50,404 --> 00:53:52,878
right along the Mississippi River between Missouri and

1413
00:53:53,198 --> 00:53:55,206
Illinois. And this guy calls me 1 night.

1414
00:53:56,558 --> 00:53:59,420
And and he he's in a remote area,

1415
00:53:59,579 --> 00:54:00,215
and he said,

1416
00:54:01,010 --> 00:54:03,237
yeah, these green lights, they're over in the

1417
00:54:03,475 --> 00:54:04,373
Mississippi River

1418
00:54:05,082 --> 00:54:06,994
And some of his friends in Illinois were

1419
00:54:06,994 --> 00:54:09,145
seeing them. They called the sheriff under sheriff,

1420
00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:11,933
across the river, and they were looking at

1421
00:54:11,933 --> 00:54:13,527
these things. These lights were hovered.

1422
00:54:14,179 --> 00:54:15,292
Both the Mississippi River.

1423
00:54:15,929 --> 00:54:17,678
Finally the sheriff says, we don't know what

1424
00:54:17,678 --> 00:54:19,666
these things are. We can't explain and we're

1425
00:54:19,666 --> 00:54:20,064
leaving.

1426
00:54:20,859 --> 00:54:23,420
So these guys get out their shotgun on

1427
00:54:23,420 --> 00:54:24,137
their rifles.

1428
00:54:24,854 --> 00:54:28,359
They start shooting at this thing from... For...

1429
00:54:28,598 --> 00:54:29,793
And they got on boats.

1430
00:54:30,829 --> 00:54:31,329
And

1431
00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:34,268
All of a sudden, their bolt shut down.

1432
00:54:34,985 --> 00:54:37,772
This thing gets big, their boat shut down

1433
00:54:37,772 --> 00:54:38,887
and then it vanish finishes.

1434
00:54:40,161 --> 00:54:41,844
And he calls me back,

1435
00:54:43,035 --> 00:54:45,098
and he's pushing his bull on an Island,

1436
00:54:45,337 --> 00:54:47,639
I could hear the water s as he's

1437
00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:49,067
talking to me on his cell phone.

1438
00:54:49,959 --> 00:54:51,237
So they shot out.

1439
00:54:52,036 --> 00:54:53,416
It let them know

1440
00:54:53,954 --> 00:54:56,751
you ain't gonna hurt us. We'll fix you.

1441
00:54:56,991 --> 00:54:58,190
We shut their boats down.

1442
00:54:58,762 --> 00:55:00,351
1 just won both that were 4 or

1443
00:55:00,351 --> 00:55:00,749
5.

1444
00:55:01,702 --> 00:55:02,202
So

1445
00:55:02,735 --> 00:55:03,530
case some point,

1446
00:55:04,642 --> 00:55:07,070
would you wanna interact so... It's like

1447
00:55:07,610 --> 00:55:09,769
a lion in the zoo or something where,

1448
00:55:09,849 --> 00:55:11,849
you know, it's a smart enough creature, but...

1449
00:55:13,849 --> 00:55:15,541
Right. At the end of the day. Have

1450
00:55:15,541 --> 00:55:18,173
you... I read W Streamers book comm.

1451
00:55:18,971 --> 00:55:21,842
I I read that. Yeah. Scared the genie

1452
00:55:21,842 --> 00:55:23,836
out of me I thought, my gosh.

1453
00:55:24,489 --> 00:55:25,046
If there are...

1454
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,150
I mean, that's that's a whole another ball

1455
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:29,663
wax. That's starting to get now, of course,

1456
00:55:29,981 --> 00:55:33,005
into actual alien abduction and and contact and

1457
00:55:33,005 --> 00:55:35,088
all that. And ends not

1458
00:55:35,804 --> 00:55:37,473
not sort of pass the realm of Ufo,

1459
00:55:37,632 --> 00:55:38,768
but it is a fascinating

1460
00:55:39,142 --> 00:55:41,526
read and a fascinating subject. For sure.

1461
00:55:42,337 --> 00:55:43,851
Do you feel like you've had any kind

1462
00:55:43,851 --> 00:55:44,828
of experience

1463
00:55:45,603 --> 00:55:46,001
outside of?

1464
00:55:49,186 --> 00:55:51,831
I've never... No. I never have. I...

1465
00:55:52,550 --> 00:55:53,746
I talked to people.

1466
00:55:54,225 --> 00:55:55,422
A matter of fact, 1 of my good

1467
00:55:55,422 --> 00:55:57,199
ufo friends in the west coast

1468
00:55:57,895 --> 00:56:00,058
and it spur are sort of tuned into

1469
00:56:00,058 --> 00:56:00,558
this

1470
00:56:01,330 --> 00:56:02,920
higher dimensional or whatever.

1471
00:56:03,795 --> 00:56:05,226
You know, I'm not.

1472
00:56:06,339 --> 00:56:07,905
I've had a couple of

1473
00:56:08,263 --> 00:56:09,321
normal experience

1474
00:56:10,415 --> 00:56:11,393
unrelated Ufo.

1475
00:56:11,849 --> 00:56:15,059
Yeah. But not not directly related to Ufo.

1476
00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:16,170
Yeah.

1477
00:56:17,210 --> 00:56:19,070
1 of my friends were had deceased

1478
00:56:19,849 --> 00:56:21,389
showed up on my bedside

1479
00:56:22,730 --> 00:56:23,609
about a week later,

1480
00:56:24,489 --> 00:56:27,136
and I well, maybe I was hall with

1481
00:56:27,136 --> 00:56:29,526
6 other people saw her also.

1482
00:56:29,924 --> 00:56:32,569
So you got feel like, well, maybe she...

1483
00:56:33,367 --> 00:56:34,324
She came for a visit.

1484
00:56:35,121 --> 00:56:38,072
She just said goodbye. Yeah. She was black

1485
00:56:38,072 --> 00:56:38,971
dress, and

1486
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:40,146
Quite seen her...

1487
00:56:41,582 --> 00:56:44,074
She... She a week or 2 before that.

1488
00:56:44,474 --> 00:56:45,434
Yeah. Lost

1489
00:56:46,074 --> 00:56:46,795
Not stuff you.

1490
00:56:47,434 --> 00:56:48,554
I believe in lots of stuff.

1491
00:56:49,675 --> 00:56:51,889
Yeah. Yeah But I've never had any

1492
00:56:53,358 --> 00:56:56,693
Ufo encounter or your time or... I've never

1493
00:56:56,693 --> 00:56:59,155
had to missing time, but I've definitely seen

1494
00:56:59,155 --> 00:57:02,131
things that I could not explain, which is

1495
00:57:02,345 --> 00:57:03,480
technically what an

1496
00:57:03,853 --> 00:57:06,972
unidentified flying object is. Of course, is it's

1497
00:57:07,265 --> 00:57:09,347
identifiable, hard to in un determine.

1498
00:57:10,065 --> 00:57:12,798
1 of my best friends, his father,

1499
00:57:14,451 --> 00:57:17,322
who's from Alaska when his... And but I

1500
00:57:17,322 --> 00:57:18,934
think this might have had and in Washington

1501
00:57:18,934 --> 00:57:20,452
state, and I can't remember. I think it

1502
00:57:20,452 --> 00:57:22,050
was Washington. They were camping.

1503
00:57:23,248 --> 00:57:25,427
His father and his father's friend

1504
00:57:25,965 --> 00:57:26,465
and

1505
00:57:27,335 --> 00:57:30,116
they were driving and the car stopped and

1506
00:57:30,116 --> 00:57:32,421
they lost time. And he won't really talk

1507
00:57:32,421 --> 00:57:34,271
about it. He just gets very

1508
00:57:34,963 --> 00:57:37,048
upset if you even bring up the subject.

1509
00:57:37,208 --> 00:57:38,961
So I don't know if he has some

1510
00:57:38,961 --> 00:57:41,054
slight recollection or what, but

1511
00:57:42,148 --> 00:57:42,648
people

1512
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:43,596
they. I mean,

1513
00:57:44,550 --> 00:57:47,175
I know that psychiatrists... I've read articles about,

1514
00:57:47,254 --> 00:57:49,083
you know, people say, oh, it's mass hysteria

1515
00:57:49,083 --> 00:57:50,936
and, you know, the mine is so easily

1516
00:57:50,992 --> 00:57:53,314
influenced. I do believe that is true for

1517
00:57:53,314 --> 00:57:55,223
sure, the mind is very easily influenced.

1518
00:57:55,780 --> 00:57:56,280
However,

1519
00:57:57,928 --> 00:57:59,798
I think if you take somebody who is

1520
00:57:59,938 --> 00:58:02,095
here, and then you take somebody who is

1521
00:58:02,095 --> 00:58:03,773
way over there and Somebody is way over

1522
00:58:03,773 --> 00:58:05,451
there in that country and wherever over there

1523
00:58:05,451 --> 00:58:07,454
in that country and all having the same

1524
00:58:07,454 --> 00:58:10,069
experience without any way of connecting the dots.

1525
00:58:11,020 --> 00:58:12,233
Then you start to

1526
00:58:12,922 --> 00:58:13,422
question

1527
00:58:15,243 --> 00:58:17,314
That it seems like something is happening.

1528
00:58:18,907 --> 00:58:19,305
Absolutely.

1529
00:58:20,659 --> 00:58:21,455
Yeah. You know,

1530
00:58:23,063 --> 00:58:24,755
these these cases of

1531
00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:26,425
abduction, of course are

1532
00:58:27,038 --> 00:58:27,856
are very

1533
00:58:29,105 --> 00:58:30,639
very difficult to

1534
00:58:31,507 --> 00:58:34,459
to investigate because you you just... You don't

1535
00:58:34,459 --> 00:58:35,815
have any environmental data.

1536
00:58:37,569 --> 00:58:40,281
Fund was allegedly gonna do a study where

1537
00:58:40,281 --> 00:58:44,385
they had planted cameras and radiation detectors and

1538
00:58:44,603 --> 00:58:47,394
magnet manufacturers and all this, but I never

1539
00:58:47,394 --> 00:58:50,186
did see any results of that study. You

1540
00:58:50,186 --> 00:58:52,118
mentioned allowed Alaska, And also,

1541
00:58:52,597 --> 00:58:54,535
what I'd like to say to your

1542
00:58:54,914 --> 00:58:57,491
listeners is that the best Ufo sighting

1543
00:58:57,964 --> 00:58:59,396
are in very remote areas.

1544
00:59:00,748 --> 00:59:02,817
Perhaps that was in Washington state. I don't

1545
00:59:02,817 --> 00:59:03,635
know. But

1546
00:59:04,249 --> 00:59:06,397
the the best cases that I've ever looked

1547
00:59:06,397 --> 00:59:06,897
at

1548
00:59:07,366 --> 00:59:09,033
will happen right in the middle of nowhere.

1549
00:59:10,383 --> 00:59:11,494
Forest service worker,

1550
00:59:12,209 --> 00:59:13,900
southwest of Olympia Washington

1551
00:59:14,590 --> 00:59:17,322
how just had coronary bypass surgery 1 morning.

1552
00:59:17,481 --> 00:59:17,881
He's out,

1553
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,637
taking a little stroll logging road,

1554
00:59:22,516 --> 00:59:23,416
and this

1555
00:59:23,889 --> 00:59:26,117
flying disc is hovering about a hundred feet

1556
00:59:26,117 --> 00:59:28,742
ahead of it. It it pulls straight up

1557
00:59:28,742 --> 00:59:30,254
in the air or something drops out of

1558
00:59:30,254 --> 00:59:32,721
it. Bang down trees and everything.

1559
00:59:33,534 --> 00:59:36,091
I investigated this case several years after I

1560
00:59:36,091 --> 00:59:38,408
actually looked at the actual area where the

1561
00:59:38,408 --> 00:59:39,308
site was

1562
00:59:39,847 --> 00:59:40,347
and

1563
00:59:40,726 --> 00:59:43,374
interviewed him and that was a case. Another

1564
00:59:43,374 --> 00:59:46,505
case, this happened north of Dallas Fort worth

1565
00:59:47,041 --> 00:59:48,498
on a farm and this

1566
00:59:49,193 --> 00:59:50,251
gentleman was

1567
00:59:50,802 --> 00:59:52,954
I think his daughter was 8 or 9

1568
00:59:52,954 --> 00:59:54,569
years old, they're driving a tractor

1569
00:59:55,185 --> 00:59:57,177
on his father law's farm.

1570
00:59:58,150 --> 01:00:00,390
And the little girl turned the tractor and

1571
01:00:00,390 --> 01:00:02,950
she also screams and look up. Big dish

1572
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:04,390
shaped craft comes out of this...

1573
01:00:05,269 --> 01:00:06,585
The this goalie

1574
01:00:07,285 --> 01:00:07,765
straight up.

1575
01:00:08,485 --> 01:00:08,985
And

1576
01:00:09,445 --> 01:00:12,164
so you get cases like that. Yeah. There

1577
01:00:12,164 --> 01:00:12,965
is remote area.

1578
01:00:14,094 --> 01:00:16,480
Yeah. I am curious about the concept of

1579
01:00:16,798 --> 01:00:18,867
the good and the bad and the you

1580
01:00:18,867 --> 01:00:20,734
know, as far as who's

1581
01:00:21,111 --> 01:00:21,611
who's

1582
01:00:22,467 --> 01:00:23,583
who we're dealing with.

1583
01:00:24,300 --> 01:00:25,279
Great. And

1584
01:00:25,975 --> 01:00:27,650
the other joke I make, of course is

1585
01:00:27,650 --> 01:00:29,839
that the only way to unify the

1586
01:00:30,219 --> 01:00:32,539
the planet that is to have a full

1587
01:00:32,539 --> 01:00:35,179
1, you know, that movie independence day where

1588
01:00:35,179 --> 01:00:37,099
aliens that actually had to attack the only

1589
01:00:37,099 --> 01:00:38,139
way we're all get along.

1590
01:00:38,871 --> 01:00:40,460
And then about an hour later, we'll forget

1591
01:00:40,460 --> 01:00:41,889
and hate each other again. But, you know,

1592
01:00:42,048 --> 01:00:43,796
for that 1 little tiny frame.

1593
01:00:44,749 --> 01:00:46,710
You know we could rise up against the

1594
01:00:46,829 --> 01:00:48,585
the evil aliens. I don't know.

1595
01:00:49,382 --> 01:00:51,079
Well, you know, there's a lot of

1596
01:00:51,697 --> 01:00:52,596
speculation about

1597
01:00:52,973 --> 01:00:55,385
that if there was an actual full fledged

1598
01:00:55,385 --> 01:00:55,885
alien

1599
01:00:56,184 --> 01:00:57,304
invasion. What could we do?

1600
01:00:58,585 --> 01:01:01,065
Yeah. I mean, they they could blast us

1601
01:01:01,065 --> 01:01:03,465
out of the sky. Absolutely. Why why would

1602
01:01:03,465 --> 01:01:06,185
they do it. I mean, what? Resources, but

1603
01:01:06,185 --> 01:01:06,844
that we're

1604
01:01:07,299 --> 01:01:07,856
game, You know,

1605
01:01:09,208 --> 01:01:10,424
Perhaps being a

1606
01:01:11,609 --> 01:01:14,712
interstellar threat eventually, you know. But right now,

1607
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:15,450
we're

1608
01:01:15,905 --> 01:01:17,909
we're sort of contained here. I mean, with

1609
01:01:17,909 --> 01:01:18,409
our

1610
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:19,609
with all our

1611
01:01:20,070 --> 01:01:22,789
nuclear toys and everything. Yeah. And kind of

1612
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:25,109
it fred are we... We might wipe ourselves

1613
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:26,630
out, but I don't know that and and

1614
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:26,764
like,

1615
01:01:27,522 --> 01:01:29,436
I mean, if I were an alien being,

1616
01:01:29,994 --> 01:01:32,727
and Earth was my watch

1617
01:01:33,423 --> 01:01:35,257
under my watch, I would just make sure

1618
01:01:35,257 --> 01:01:38,457
that they didn't have the capacity to leave

1619
01:01:38,457 --> 01:01:40,845
the planet very far because we can't be

1620
01:01:40,845 --> 01:01:42,039
trusted. We're too young.

1621
01:01:42,914 --> 01:01:45,063
Right. You know? Well, I'm way too.

1622
01:01:45,954 --> 01:01:47,231
Early they they...

1623
01:01:47,949 --> 01:01:49,625
Even if they aren't here, I do believe

1624
01:01:49,625 --> 01:01:51,780
they are that they know all about us

1625
01:01:51,780 --> 01:01:52,258
by now.

1626
01:01:53,216 --> 01:01:54,984
I mean, and they're shaking their heads.

1627
01:01:56,259 --> 01:01:56,498
Right.

1628
01:01:57,294 --> 01:01:59,228
You know another argument about

1629
01:01:59,922 --> 01:02:02,925
intelligent life is how long does life last

1630
01:02:03,204 --> 01:02:03,704
before,

1631
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:05,118
you know,

1632
01:02:05,756 --> 01:02:06,735
either environmental

1633
01:02:07,192 --> 01:02:08,410
pollution or war

1634
01:02:09,186 --> 01:02:11,579
or other things ex it. I mean, right

1635
01:02:11,579 --> 01:02:11,818
now,

1636
01:02:12,536 --> 01:02:14,226
I mean, we're getting at the end of

1637
01:02:14,226 --> 01:02:16,461
the hour, but, you know, I'm a I'm

1638
01:02:16,461 --> 01:02:19,334
a meteor neurologist and, of course, climate change

1639
01:02:19,334 --> 01:02:20,850
is 1 of the biggest threats to the

1640
01:02:20,850 --> 01:02:21,661
civil utilization,

1641
01:02:22,458 --> 01:02:23,755
and we're

1642
01:02:24,608 --> 01:02:26,599
we're in we're in a real danger right

1643
01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:29,466
now of ex in life of climate change.

1644
01:02:30,118 --> 01:02:30,357
I agree.

1645
01:02:31,154 --> 01:02:31,472
And,

1646
01:02:32,508 --> 01:02:34,363
that's only an example. But,

1647
01:02:34,978 --> 01:02:37,465
you know, when we find extra trust life.

1648
01:02:37,625 --> 01:02:39,784
I mean, it's not question if it's when,

1649
01:02:40,425 --> 01:02:41,625
and this is officially.

1650
01:02:42,585 --> 01:02:43,965
They're gonna find that

1651
01:02:44,505 --> 01:02:46,754
they're gonna be look in for artificial heat

1652
01:02:46,754 --> 01:02:50,738
source infrared, that thus in any any intelligent

1653
01:02:50,738 --> 01:02:51,955
life out there

1654
01:02:52,491 --> 01:02:54,961
will find us that way too. So... Yeah.

1655
01:02:56,012 --> 01:02:56,728
Yeah know.

1656
01:02:58,003 --> 01:02:59,994
Let's hope bit sooner rather later. I... I'd

1657
01:02:59,994 --> 01:03:02,224
love to... I I'd... That's my... Every time

1658
01:03:02,303 --> 01:03:03,817
I go on a first date that's my

1659
01:03:03,817 --> 01:03:06,059
first and if aliens landed and said,

1660
01:03:06,775 --> 01:03:09,400
we're gonna take you on this trip. You

1661
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,642
don't get to come back all the if

1662
01:03:11,642 --> 01:03:13,312
when you do come back, everyone be dead,

1663
01:03:13,471 --> 01:03:15,300
so might well just like, go, that idea,

1664
01:03:16,015 --> 01:03:18,162
would you go? And for me, I would

1665
01:03:18,162 --> 01:03:20,168
say, sign me up I'm gone.

1666
01:03:20,888 --> 01:03:23,285
How fascinating? What a wonderful experience that would

1667
01:03:23,285 --> 01:03:25,601
be? Could they guarantee my safety? Who knows?

1668
01:03:25,841 --> 01:03:27,280
Doesn't matter what an experience?

1669
01:03:28,013 --> 01:03:29,688
So I would ask that question on the

1670
01:03:29,688 --> 01:03:31,123
first day. Would you go? Was your not

1671
01:03:31,123 --> 01:03:32,639
go? I think it's was a lot about.

1672
01:03:34,633 --> 01:03:36,387
Well, I would concur about that. I I

1673
01:03:36,387 --> 01:03:37,400
think I would

1674
01:03:38,076 --> 01:03:39,132
sign up to

1675
01:03:39,666 --> 01:03:42,212
take the tour or do. Yeah. Of course.

1676
01:03:42,689 --> 01:03:44,360
You know, How how can you know? I

1677
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,921
was raised on Star trek. I would, you

1678
01:03:46,921 --> 01:03:48,035
know, I'd would have to go.

1679
01:03:49,070 --> 01:03:51,139
It thank you so much, William for being

1680
01:03:51,139 --> 01:03:52,969
on the show. I really appreciate it. I'm

1681
01:03:52,969 --> 01:03:54,731
gonna put links to all this stuff

1682
01:03:55,604 --> 01:03:58,302
that we talked about so, on my website

1683
01:03:58,302 --> 01:04:00,389
so they can find you and on the

1684
01:04:00,444 --> 01:04:03,339
information and Okay. Now Blue, please send me

1685
01:04:03,871 --> 01:04:05,695
direct to your website and everything, and I'll

1686
01:04:05,695 --> 01:04:07,385
take a look. I will absolutely.

1687
01:04:08,489 --> 01:04:10,509
You. I heard your I urge your listeners

1688
01:04:10,569 --> 01:04:11,069
to

1689
01:04:11,449 --> 01:04:13,369
to visit my side and if they...

1690
01:04:14,009 --> 01:04:15,529
She sent the compelling if they have a

1691
01:04:15,529 --> 01:04:16,250
photo or video,

1692
01:04:16,809 --> 01:04:19,213
please send it to me. Absolutely. And I

1693
01:04:19,213 --> 01:04:21,221
will do the same if I see something

1694
01:04:21,276 --> 01:04:23,102
again. It's always said things where you're you're

1695
01:04:23,102 --> 01:04:24,530
out and you think, oh my god. First

1696
01:04:24,530 --> 01:04:25,880
my camera wears something,

1697
01:04:26,356 --> 01:04:28,787
and And anymore, I feel like

1698
01:04:29,885 --> 01:04:32,441
the the alien life are... That they're going

1699
01:04:32,441 --> 01:04:33,340
to have

1700
01:04:33,734 --> 01:04:35,728
They're gonna have issues of people pulling out

1701
01:04:35,728 --> 01:04:37,563
their cell phones. Now it's so easy to

1702
01:04:37,563 --> 01:04:39,796
get footage of things. Yeah. You can take

1703
01:04:39,796 --> 01:04:42,029
a high definition video with an iphone. So...

1704
01:04:42,348 --> 01:04:44,594
Yeah. Except if you're engines are getting shut

1705
01:04:44,594 --> 01:04:46,502
off, Maybe they'll they'll jam. That's true Yeah.

1706
01:04:46,740 --> 01:04:47,456
Yeah. So...

1707
01:04:48,967 --> 01:04:50,954
That's that's eliminate. You know,

1708
01:04:51,924 --> 01:04:53,860
not not regarding technical difficulties.

1709
01:04:54,237 --> 01:04:56,789
Yeah. The truth is out there. Thank you

1710
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:59,102
so very much. Thank you for having me.

1711
01:04:59,262 --> 01:05:01,357
Yeah I look forward to business

1712
01:05:02,068 --> 01:05:03,047
Yeah. Have wonderful.

1713
01:05:03,504 --> 01:05:04,940
Yeah. You too. Okay. Bye Bye.