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My name is Es Miranda.

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I am from Mexico.

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My country is very beautiful, but is also

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very poor.

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And so many of us have to emi.

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My life in my country was a beautiful

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life

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because that is where I grew up with

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my parents and my siblings.

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We lived poorly, but we were very united,

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but I liked most was the food and

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the place where I lived, which was in

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the country

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without having to worry about how to pay

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rent,

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how to pay electricity or how to pay

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for water.

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So many times it is very sad not

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to have a job and a little bit

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of food.

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I miss the people. I miss the food.

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I miss the natural beauty of the ranch

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where I grew up and my parents and

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brothers and sisters.

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I have the hope to go back and

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be with them so I can enjoy the

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nature and the food and the water and

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many more things.

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My life in the Us has been very

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difficult since I arrived. It has been very

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sad.

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I was alone with nothing and with no

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It was very difficult because my dream was

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something totally different than what I thought.

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I thought when I arrived that everything would

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be easier, but it was not. I suffered

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a lot. I didn't have the liberty to

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be where I want, but after

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all my suffering.

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I have my family now. I have my

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husband. I have my life. I have my

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son, and I thought before, that I could

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not move forward, but now things are changing.

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After all this suffering, I realized that here

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in the Us, it doesn't matter who you

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are or where you came from. If you

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don't have people to support you, then you

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can't move forward.

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There have been people in places, and they

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have opened the doors for me and my

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family. I am okay now. I'm not saying

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I'm very happy because I don't have my

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parents with me that I am doing better

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than before, and I'm am learning many, many

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things, and I know I will learn

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many more.

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My name is Momo C.

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I came from Thailand.

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Actually, I was born in Ira

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division

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Po Po Village

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miramar.

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I love miramar.

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We are 4 brothers and sisters.

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After I got married, I followed my husband.

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Life in Bur is very difficult so I

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could not complete my education due to my

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parents difficulty.

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They could not put me in school. I

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have a very limited education. That's the reason

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I got married, and I followed my husband

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wherever he went. I have 2 kids.

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My husband took me to the refugee camp,

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and the refugee camp, everyday life is tough

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hard. But fortunately, we crossed over all that

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situation.

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The future for my children is hopeless in

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a refugee camp. The food and everything they

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provide is difficult.

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Fortunately, we survived 7 years in the refugee

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camp. At that time, I got a very

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good opportunity to reset the United States. I

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got an interview and medical tests completed, and

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we came to America.

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After we got here in the United States,

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it is a very developed country, especially for

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my kids. I have a very positive view

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and deep hope for them.

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And I know that there is a good

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opportunity as much as we try ourselves. And

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so the future is open here and I

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feel safe in our life here. Our lives

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are protect... Acted,

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especially the family life. If we try, we

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get what we work for, I try to

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solve my personal difficulties. I want to rely

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on myself acted The people of the United

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States, their warm welcome gave me strength. My

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name is H Chic. I am from Somalia.

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In somalia, I did not have an opportunity

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to go to school because of the violence,

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but I always wanted to go to school

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and have an education. Although I didn't have

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that opportunity. I like to work and I'm

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looking for an opportunity it gives me a

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job that I can do. In this time

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of my life, I am optimistic. I am

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optimistic that I will get a job somehow.

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My name is Be,

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I am from B.

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In my country, I worked in construction,

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and as a security guard. There were rivers

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in the country,

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so I went to the rivers and collected

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stone sand in aggregate and sold the aggregate

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stones and sand. And in that way, I

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made income to support my family.

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From that, I used to buy meat and

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other

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necessary items,

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Also, I used to raise pigs, chickens and

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ducks, and I also used to work in

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the fields.

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The life in America is good. Now, it

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is very good.

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But we don't know in the future. It

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is unknown. The people say America is very

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good for living. So I think so. In

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the future, I think I will be the

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same as other people. I don't have much

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to say because I am very new here.

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My name is Mohammed Sa. I am from

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Iraq.

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But I lived in baghdad since birth.

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But as a family, we lived in the

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north, I have been living alone in baghdad.

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And all these problems and fear and instability,

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but my aim and baghdad dad was to

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get married and become a family, but I

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couldn't because of the hardship, It was very

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hard to get a job. Every day you

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hear death or news that it's not healthy,

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not good. So for the last 7 years,

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I tried to escape from there and come

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to the united. Of America. That was my

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dream? I was thinking day and night how

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to go there, and what is the process

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to come here? Of but it was hard

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because hundreds and hundreds want the same dream

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that I had, many want to come here.

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It was hard. The luckily I got through

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the process and came here in February 20

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13.

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So now I'm starting my dream, my forever

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dream. They will be living here in the

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Us, and all this healthy life in freedom

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and I am exercising now. I am seeing

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a great difference that what I had dreamed

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and now I am in my real dream.

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Even I hope some of new iraqis.

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They need something they don't know how that

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I know and the life is good.

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Everybody coming here as a refugee, they have

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their own different dreams. So now hopefully, I

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will make a family, and hopefully,

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I will live here in this beautiful country.

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Well, there you go. There's a handful of

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stories

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of refugees that have come to America,

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seeking a better life, seeking

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education, Well health care,

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food,

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sanity, safety,

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a better life for their children, for their

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parents.

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Human beings who are seeking asylum in a

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country that was founded on the concept of

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asylum. The conversation I had that follows

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is with Andrew Air heart,

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and he helps

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assimilate refugees once they've once they get to

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America and have passed all the millions of

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tests It was a great

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discussion. I learned a lot,

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and I hope you did too, and

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I don't have much more to say about

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that other than Dolby Links

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Of course, on hey human podcast dot com,

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references to what Andrew and I discuss and

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Thanks for listening. I appreciate it.

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Hey, Andrew. Hey. How are you doing? I'm

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very well. Thanks for being on the podcast.

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Oh, no. I'm glad Glad to have opportunity

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to talk to. Thank you.

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My name is Andrea Martin. I've I've worked

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Refugees primarily since about 2008,

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and in Portland Oregon, I can involve with

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an outfit called the immigrant and refugee community

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organization.

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And the work that I did for them

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I'm an instructional designer, so I build training

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programs. And so I was building training programs

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for cultural

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workplace skills...

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Adaptation to help refugees adapt to that in

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the Us.

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So building programs on how do you interact

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with police, how do you interact with your

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children's teachers, how do you interact with the

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medical system, the banking systems, things like that.

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And then for a workforce act how do

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you communicate your skills, learn are some cultural

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norms around interviews, how you fill out job

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applications or learn? A lot of kind of

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rubber hits the road sort of stuff. So

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that's the work I to... I work from

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them for them from 2008

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Nashville, Tennessee. I've done a little bit of

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work with some of the communities here. There's

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a big Z community.

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groups of Be or Miami. Numbers words are

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are somewhat controversial themselves, you know, who likes

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to use which term. It's an incredibly complex

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part of the world,

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thing that we can say generally about refugees

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is there is no 1 typical

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refugee except... For the fact, you know, the

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kind of the defining things with refugees is

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the story usually starts with the soldiers king

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and things went downhill hill Right. And apocalyptic

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way is after for that. Yeah.

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But they're are from all over the world,

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they're of all faith. They're of all educational

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backgrounds. I think that we tend to think

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of a refugee as for someone huddle against

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the the storm, you know, you know, that's

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been written out in a in the jungle

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somewhere

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desert. These are docked and these are doctors

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lawyers and, you know, and and literally like

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hydraulic engineers and dentists and judges and mechanics

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and cameras and people who are illiterate and

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enabling like, I think that's a really good

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point that, that there's this image of what

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a Refugee

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stands for. Potentially in America. Right. You know,

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maybe more so than than it was when

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our grandparents. Well they're You know, this business

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with the cereals right now has...

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Brought a lot of interest in Syrian refugees,

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and and certainly that's significant I can't.

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I don't think that we... I don't think

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certainly an I really imagine how bad things

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are in Syria.

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to the refugee crisis. Can't,

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but there are there are and there have

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been refugees from all over the world

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steadily. I mean, this is this is not

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a new thing. This has been gone. A

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long time yet. And the Us actually reset

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an whole lot of for Refugees, and we

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have a reasonably good program here, and I'll

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tell talk a little bit about some of

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the details for So before we get into

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the nuts and bolts of all of that.

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Sure. What

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what, I mean, that's quite a mission for

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a man to take on and it's like,

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what what

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made you decide to go into this No.

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I mean, I felt like I was very

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fortunate to be getting a paycheck. For something

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that I really love to do.

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It's kind of a sexy

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occupation. You know I mean, you know, it's

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it's a neat way to make a living.

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I I can't complain about it at all

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for I did get laid off from my

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job in 2015.

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And so, the funding can be pretty tenuous,

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but

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and you just gotta get in there and

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figure it out. I'm I'm not too worried.

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So it what brought you to this career

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hat? Well, you know, I... Fundamentally for me

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everything. Scenes from really believing that we're all

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brothers and sisters. And so I think that

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my time,

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in the world is best used by

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you know, serving other people and so that's

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that's, you know, I I think that

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Just it's it's kind of a call and

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thing. Yeah. I'm... We're a human being. I'm

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a human. Yeah. That's and I really appreciate

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you about either with humans or or tried

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to. Yeah.

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Okay.

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So, 1 of the things... If you don't

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mind let me turn the questions around and

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see kind of what what you might know,

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how would you define the difference between their

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refugee and an immigrant?

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It's a good question. I would think that

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a refugee is someone who comes out of

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a situation that's hostile,

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tenuous.

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And

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arrives

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into a situation where they're not prepared at

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whatsoever. They've just sort of been cold

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stuck on the vehicle of some sort of

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transport

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and off their shift to whatever receiving

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place there there is. And

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an immigrant to me has a plan, I

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guess, or even family.

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You know,

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From the the Immigrant portal quotes that I

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know, the good kurds, just a couple cards

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that I know is this is large kurdish

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population here.

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There's such a huge network here. Right. So

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when they when they integrate here that assimilated.

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Right. Right. And also, I think the Immigrant

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is somebody that in my mind, we has

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made the application process. I guess, I don't

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know It sounds more illegal then not that

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a refugee is illegal, but I mean, the

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the concept of a is basically just showing

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up and going to please somebody for God's

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sake helm me. Well, the issues of legal

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legality are certainly part of it, and you

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also bring up the significance of arriving him

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to a town

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or whatever where there's already

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you know, people of your background have already

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shown up, Like, if if I was occurred

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and showed up in in Nashville as a

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huge Curtis community here.

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And how much more challenging it is if,

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like, literally back in Portland. I knew a

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guy who... He was the only guy... There

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was 1 other guy in 3 counties that

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spoke his language?

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And so the challenge... The difference is between

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showing up where there is a community and

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when there's not already a community developed, Can

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can pretty significant. I mean, there are people

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at both English that don't communicate well. Sure.

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You go. It's a then who the next

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up all the language and Right.

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Gonna be terrifying for the person. Well, you

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know, it's it's kinda... It it... Yes. It's

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it's a huge mountain decline to adjust to

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living in a new culture for anybody. I

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mean, I lived in Japan for a while

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and and that's tough. And I could come

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home anytime I wanna do, and I had

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a job and, you know, and all kinds

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of things. So people spoke English. Some. But,

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you know, and in fact, I think I

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think that's 1 of the things I'd like

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to... And I explore with you today the

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significance of people's

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there's a lot of

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misunderstanding about the capacity delivered to speaking and.

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How does that happen and and significance of

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living and what it... And how that relates

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to ass simulation integration. It's a really gonna

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whole language. Yeah. If it is. It is,

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But, you know, I mean, you put them

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man on the moon, you know, it others

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have done it, and others will continue to

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do it. It can be done. There... There's

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a lot around that. But to come back

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to the idea of

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legally whatever a Refugee is the... When we...

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No, like, by definition, the people who headed

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out of new orleans after Katrina, there were

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refugees. They couldn't stay where they were for

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some reason. Okay? The folks that are leaving

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reality right now because of the fires,

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technically their revenue son. Okay.

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Something happened that you can't stay home, basically,

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that's kinda of a good 1. And when

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I say can't, it's like you can't stay

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where you were.

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There's no option from hooks butt to leave.

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I think that most people would rather have

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stayed home and, you know, been happy cruising

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them along with their lives there than to

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have been forced

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to leave to a second country or to

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do third country rep,

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which is what they see when refugees come

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to the Us.

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So there's an outfit called the United Nations

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high council on refugees.

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And there is a legal

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status of refugees. So when somebody comes here

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as a refugee, they're legal to work,

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they're legal to... I mean, their their kids

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can go to school, they can access no

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care they're all here legally. There's no legal

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status.

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They're... The... The government knows that they're here,

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and they've gone through a pretty significant vetting

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process that we'll talk about here in a

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little while. But the definition, according to the

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Un, if you don't wanna to read this

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off to you because I don't off the

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top of my head. Okay? So this is

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how the United Nations high council on refugees

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defines a refugee.

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Owing to a well founded fear of being

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persecuted for reasons of race

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religion, nationality,

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membership in a particular social route or political

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opinion is outside the country of his nationality

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and is unable to or owing to such

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fear is unwilling to avail himself of the

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protection of that country

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or return there because there is a fear

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of persecution.

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So basically, there are some there are some

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criteria

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there are some legal criteria that you must

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need to be recognized as a refugee. Okay?

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And so that's significant. So when we talk

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about

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refugees coming here to the Us. They've they've

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gone through a vetting process,

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and they have met this definition of what

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a refugee is.

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Okay. So any questions about that. No. Seem

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pretty strange sense. Okay.

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So, and, again, this will be the... The

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second only thing that I'll just straight at

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reed to. If you don't mind there was

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an excellent short publication that was put together

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by the folks in Greens

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the center for new North Carol of refugee

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fact checkers.

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And I think it's worth going through this

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to kinda,

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flesh out. What is that vetting process? Yeah?

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I think that's great. Do you mind me

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reading? In fact Mean, I think that's important

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because in general, in America, I'm gonna speak

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for. Other countries. I don't know how they

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feel about refugees, but just from the things

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that I've read, online, news and and social

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media and stuff people are pretty ignorant about

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it, and they're just concerned that basically, they're

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just piling up terrorists and shipping them into

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America, You know, that's the rhetoric, which is

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insane.

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Well, you know, we have... Our situation is

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distinct from what's happening in Europe and that

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just physically geological.

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You can't just have thousands and thousands of

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people walking into the Us and the way

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that that europe has seen. I think it's

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dismissive to to say that people who are

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concerned about the refugee crisis and what it's

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going to do to their native countries and

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the influx of large numbers of people That

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is a concern. I mean, that that affects

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everything. I mean even here in Nashville, we

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think about that what is it 80 people

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a day who were moving here. Mh. And

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what's that in the to was kinda say

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again. So, yeah. That's that can't be good.

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But no. Anytime you drive, anytime a whole

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lot of people show up into a system

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and are needing to access services, And am

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learn to contribute to that system. It's a

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huge deal. And so I don't... III

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really try not to either demon denies the

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people who are concerned

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Huge numbers of people from different language, cultural

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backgrounds and unknown

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safety issues showing up. It's not crazy to

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be concerned about that. And it's also not

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crazy to care about these people and I

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think the key is to help them become

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contributing members as quickly as possible. Mh.

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And I think that that is what most

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rich G's urgently and desire to do. So

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anyway, let's get back to this Yep. This

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business only

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on the vetting process.

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Okay.

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So again, this was put together by the

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fine folks over at the center for new

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new North Carol over in Greens.

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And, okay. So definitions, the terms refugee and

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asylum seeker are often used interchangeably. However, their

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political meanings are very different.

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Now we just come the definition of refugee.

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Right? Okay. So the owing to a well

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founded fair person... Being persecuted and so on

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and so forth.

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An asylum seeker is someone who says he

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or she is a refugee, but whose claim

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has not yet been definitively

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evaluated.

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Okay? So again, this implication the refugee of

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the legal status of a refugee is somebody

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who's has been embedded in, their case has

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been reviewed. An asylum seeker is somebody who

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showing up and says that they are refugee

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And by definition, are refugee, but not by

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legal definition. The thing that you're and I

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hear that is Olympia, all the time. Seems

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like, in the eighties people were asylum seekers

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who were, you know, gym and

533
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Right. Right. Yeah. Right. The russians who wanted

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to.

535
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Okay. Right. I remember about that. About that.

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That's a fine for me. Alright. And and

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and you'll... If you'll notice something you're watching

538
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,465
the news about Refugee issues now, you'll hear

539
00:19:41,465 --> 00:19:43,071
that especially in reference to what's going on

540
00:19:43,071 --> 00:19:46,173
in Europe, asylum seeker, asylum seeker asylum seeker.

541
00:19:46,492 --> 00:19:49,526
Okay. And again, you're talking about hundreds of

542
00:19:49,526 --> 00:19:52,061
thousands people who have suddenly showed up into

543
00:19:52,061 --> 00:19:53,329
the system sure. Okay?

544
00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,596
Until they have vetted, they are asylum seekers.

545
00:19:56,995 --> 00:19:58,588
And that's... And so I think it's good

546
00:19:58,588 --> 00:20:00,739
to to know the difference between asylum seekers.

547
00:20:00,978 --> 00:20:02,730
So once second gone through the vetting process.

548
00:20:03,064 --> 00:20:05,618
That. Then they can they can be granted

549
00:20:05,618 --> 00:20:08,571
the legal status of the refugee and all

550
00:20:08,571 --> 00:20:10,087
that comes... And and all that comes with

551
00:20:10,087 --> 00:20:10,486
that. Right?

552
00:20:11,859 --> 00:20:14,256
Okay. So moving on then when large masses

553
00:20:14,256 --> 00:20:16,014
of refugees flee a country at the same

554
00:20:16,014 --> 00:20:18,432
time, there is not the capacity to conduct

555
00:20:18,572 --> 00:20:21,537
individual asylum interviews for everyone. This can result

556
00:20:21,537 --> 00:20:24,182
in large groups being declared P fa

557
00:20:24,635 --> 00:20:27,971
refugees and I may have that it's FACIE.

558
00:20:29,177 --> 00:20:29,835
Because of.

559
00:20:30,765 --> 00:20:32,988
Dream fashion Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

560
00:20:33,146 --> 00:20:36,084
Thank you. My that's rough. Yeah. Childhood. Well,

561
00:20:36,401 --> 00:20:37,298
mine is apparently.

562
00:20:38,243 --> 00:20:40,868
So because of its geographic location, the Us

563
00:20:40,868 --> 00:20:43,254
will never experience large numbers of P fa

564
00:20:43,572 --> 00:20:44,845
Refugees arriving from Syria.

565
00:20:45,497 --> 00:20:47,250
And I will note that this document was

566
00:20:47,250 --> 00:20:49,321
put together mostly in reference to what's going

567
00:20:49,321 --> 00:20:50,994
on with this syrian and the refugee crisis.

568
00:20:51,551 --> 00:20:53,304
Okay? So general considerations.

569
00:20:54,593 --> 00:20:57,690
Systems evaluate the claims of asylum seekers to

570
00:20:57,690 --> 00:21:00,152
assess whether or not the individual or family

571
00:21:00,152 --> 00:21:03,669
unit actually qualifies for international protection

572
00:21:03,978 --> 00:21:05,113
under the refugee

573
00:21:05,884 --> 00:21:06,043
designation.

574
00:21:06,916 --> 00:21:09,934
To qualify for refugee status, the individual cannot

575
00:21:09,934 --> 00:21:12,498
have been engaged in any fighting or terrorist

576
00:21:12,633 --> 00:21:12,951
activities.

577
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,747
Okay. Now we reset to the United States,

578
00:21:16,622 --> 00:21:18,870
obtaining refugee or peanut fast...

579
00:21:19,482 --> 00:21:20,992
It doesn't. We'll look it up later.

580
00:21:22,677 --> 00:21:25,565
Refugee status does not make an individual eligible

581
00:21:25,781 --> 00:21:28,805
for settlement to the Us. Okay? So even

582
00:21:28,805 --> 00:21:29,862
if in in

583
00:21:30,252 --> 00:21:32,634
the border country where they've gone to... Yeah.

584
00:21:33,030 --> 00:21:35,333
Just having been recognized a refugee does not

585
00:21:35,333 --> 00:21:37,397
yet enable them to come to the Us.

586
00:21:37,635 --> 00:21:39,039
Yeah. Only the first

587
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,000
That's the first step. Right? That's the first

588
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:41,240
hurdle.

589
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,000
Medical and security checks must be completed before

590
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,880
Refugee will be considered for retirement. Are a

591
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,810
lot visa is happening in other countries that...

592
00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:52,283
Sure. Got I'm sure control here. Right. Well,

593
00:21:52,523 --> 00:21:54,698
here in Nashville, recently, there was a lawmaker

594
00:21:54,757 --> 00:21:55,529
who was

595
00:21:56,363 --> 00:21:58,743
he was making a pushback against refugees being

596
00:21:58,743 --> 00:21:59,775
settled here on

597
00:22:02,472 --> 00:22:02,631
Yeah.

598
00:22:03,601 --> 00:22:05,510
Tuberculosis, I've I've known a lot of folks

599
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:06,408
who have

600
00:22:06,783 --> 00:22:10,205
had to be treated for tuberculosis in in

601
00:22:10,364 --> 00:22:13,005
Portland. It's not that. It's it's not a

602
00:22:13,005 --> 00:22:15,017
shock to people who are used to refugees

603
00:22:15,154 --> 00:22:16,609
coming into a system

604
00:22:17,223 --> 00:22:18,758
for for them to have

605
00:22:19,690 --> 00:22:21,521
diseases that they that need to be addressed.

606
00:22:21,854 --> 00:22:23,520
I mean, I was to England a few

607
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,981
years back and spent some time, and they...

608
00:22:26,219 --> 00:22:28,045
Tested me for Tv when I got. Just

609
00:22:28,045 --> 00:22:29,315
part of part of Just part the deal.

610
00:22:29,791 --> 00:22:31,396
The deal. Right. So again,

611
00:22:32,589 --> 00:22:35,375
again, I I don't like to demon people

612
00:22:35,375 --> 00:22:37,285
for saying there's this concern. Let's be aware

613
00:22:37,285 --> 00:22:39,451
of this concern. But this is a... This

614
00:22:39,451 --> 00:22:41,127
is not a deal breaker concern in lot.

615
00:22:41,446 --> 00:22:43,281
Okay. Right. But it makes sense. So that

616
00:22:43,281 --> 00:22:45,355
other the gatekeepers, we make sure that you're

617
00:22:45,355 --> 00:22:47,045
not Right. You know, we don't have Ebola.

618
00:22:47,364 --> 00:22:48,901
Sure. Sure. Awesome some,

619
00:22:49,278 --> 00:22:51,751
you know, the play here whatever. Yeah. We're

620
00:22:51,751 --> 00:22:53,665
trying to cut down play. Yeah. I. You

621
00:22:53,665 --> 00:22:56,310
know, Up down again. Sure. The United states

622
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:58,538
had a Bubonic plague outbreak a little while

623
00:22:58,538 --> 00:23:00,288
ago. Did we? Yeah. I can't remember which

624
00:23:00,288 --> 00:23:01,721
say. I have a very dear friend in

625
00:23:01,721 --> 00:23:03,948
the Cdc, very high ranking in this busy.

626
00:23:04,107 --> 00:23:06,597
And She kinda... She and I have these

627
00:23:06,597 --> 00:23:07,716
intense talks better are.

628
00:23:08,915 --> 00:23:10,593
Yeah. She, like, if you knew what I

629
00:23:10,593 --> 00:23:10,833
knew?

630
00:23:11,472 --> 00:23:12,212
You never.

631
00:23:14,682 --> 00:23:14,841
What.

632
00:23:16,991 --> 00:23:19,460
Okay. So, again, back to the document, security

633
00:23:19,460 --> 00:23:20,177
measures in place.

634
00:23:21,212 --> 00:23:23,639
Refugees are vetted through background check processes

635
00:23:24,013 --> 00:23:26,477
involving the Us departments of State, Homeland Security,

636
00:23:26,636 --> 00:23:29,656
the National Counter terrorism Center and the federal

637
00:23:29,656 --> 00:23:32,874
bureau of investigations among other national and intelligence

638
00:23:33,010 --> 00:23:33,249
agencies.

639
00:23:34,123 --> 00:23:37,543
Background checks use biometric data, including fingerprints and

640
00:23:37,543 --> 00:23:38,338
retina scans.

641
00:23:38,895 --> 00:23:41,930
The average background check takes between 18 and

642
00:23:41,930 --> 00:23:44,869
24 months to complete? My goodness. So where

643
00:23:44,869 --> 00:23:47,013
where do they say during all this with

644
00:23:47,013 --> 00:23:48,784
their detention? I

645
00:23:49,174 --> 00:23:51,408
place where. I. We're talking about all over

646
00:23:51,408 --> 00:23:53,504
the world and so my...

647
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,170
I this would be prior to coming to

648
00:23:57,170 --> 00:23:59,410
the United States Somebody wouldn't arrive here without

649
00:23:59,410 --> 00:24:01,570
having going through this process. So so I'm

650
00:24:01,570 --> 00:24:04,630
a... I'm smith fleeing my country. There's

651
00:24:04,945 --> 00:24:08,144
chaos, ratings supreme, and I reach out to

652
00:24:08,305 --> 00:24:10,625
America and say, hey. Okay. Take me in.

653
00:24:10,865 --> 00:24:13,285
Right. Right? And then the 2 year process

654
00:24:13,345 --> 00:24:16,301
begins, of where I'm mean vetted by Americas.

655
00:24:16,619 --> 00:24:18,446
So let's say here in Somalia You leave

656
00:24:18,684 --> 00:24:19,161
Somalia.

657
00:24:19,717 --> 00:24:21,385
A good chances is you're gonna go to

658
00:24:21,464 --> 00:24:23,315
Kenya, and then you're probably

659
00:24:23,784 --> 00:24:25,065
you... Maybe you're gonna be there a month.

660
00:24:25,304 --> 00:24:27,704
Maybe you're gonna be there, 15, 18 years.

661
00:24:27,944 --> 00:24:30,024
Maybe you're gonna die there. You have no

662
00:24:30,024 --> 00:24:30,664
way of knowing.

663
00:24:31,144 --> 00:24:33,548
Okay? But that's where you will have to

664
00:24:33,548 --> 00:24:35,774
go through the vetting process. But it's... So

665
00:24:35,774 --> 00:24:37,467
we have people there are

666
00:24:39,034 --> 00:24:39,534
Like

667
00:24:39,924 --> 00:24:42,070
I I don't know the. Alright. It goes

668
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:43,580
down to balance honest with you. Alright. But

669
00:24:43,580 --> 00:24:46,601
the vetting process takes place Outside of the

670
00:24:46,601 --> 00:24:48,430
that. Yeah. Yeah. So and and this is

671
00:24:48,430 --> 00:24:48,930
for

672
00:24:49,479 --> 00:24:51,554
Syrian or folks out of boot town or

673
00:24:51,554 --> 00:24:53,388
folks out of iraq or sure know, folks

674
00:24:53,388 --> 00:24:55,064
out of anywhere. This is a process that

675
00:24:55,064 --> 00:24:57,234
they all go through before coming here. K.

676
00:24:57,634 --> 00:24:59,075
Now specific to the Syrian,

677
00:24:59,794 --> 00:25:02,434
Syrian refugee applicants already have to go through

678
00:25:02,434 --> 00:25:04,914
additional security measures. And again, I'm reading again

679
00:25:04,914 --> 00:25:05,714
from the document here.

680
00:25:06,528 --> 00:25:09,399
Us intelligence agencies rely on their own intelligence

681
00:25:09,399 --> 00:25:11,393
and the intelligence of their allies, they do

682
00:25:11,393 --> 00:25:13,946
not realize rely solely on source country data,

683
00:25:14,185 --> 00:25:16,433
which may be inadequate or liable.

684
00:25:17,550 --> 00:25:19,805
The 784000

685
00:25:20,102 --> 00:25:22,016
refugees who have settled in the Us since

686
00:25:22,016 --> 00:25:22,575
09:11,

687
00:25:22,894 --> 00:25:25,606
3 have been arrested for terrorist activities. I

688
00:25:25,606 --> 00:25:27,700
we that's statistic again please. The... Yes. Of

689
00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:30,119
the 784000

690
00:25:30,579 --> 00:25:33,480
refugees who have settled in the Us since

691
00:25:33,539 --> 00:25:34,099
09:11,

692
00:25:34,911 --> 00:25:37,457
3 have been arrested for terrorist activities.

693
00:25:38,013 --> 00:25:40,320
2 of the 3 were planning attacks outside

694
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,120
the Us. Now, this data is based on

695
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:44,075
2015.

696
00:25:44,314 --> 00:25:46,144
Okay. So I just... I think that's so

697
00:25:46,144 --> 00:25:48,769
important. I mean, that is a tiny... Yes.

698
00:25:49,326 --> 00:25:50,304
Tiny fraction

699
00:25:51,095 --> 00:25:52,394
There have been more domestic

700
00:25:52,775 --> 00:25:55,095
acts of terrorism by our own, you know,

701
00:25:55,335 --> 00:25:58,315
by Americans. Sure. Than there have been by

702
00:25:58,535 --> 00:26:00,306
refugees. Yeah. I just think that's a really

703
00:26:00,306 --> 00:26:02,060
important thing. I I did I do too

704
00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:03,496
that that's a... Well, you know you know

705
00:26:03,496 --> 00:26:05,410
always been statistics around and whatnot but those.

706
00:26:05,649 --> 00:26:07,723
Those are some pretty significant numbers. Yeah. 2

707
00:26:07,723 --> 00:26:08,601
or 3. Yeah.

708
00:26:09,333 --> 00:26:10,849
If there's any doubt, and again from the

709
00:26:10,849 --> 00:26:12,763
document, if there's any doubt that an individual

710
00:26:12,763 --> 00:26:15,076
poses security concern he or she will not

711
00:26:15,076 --> 00:26:17,788
be selected for reset and are removed from

712
00:26:17,788 --> 00:26:20,358
further refugee process. Assessing. Now that's all from

713
00:26:20,358 --> 00:26:20,917
the document.

714
00:26:21,476 --> 00:26:23,394
1 thing that I would say having spoken

715
00:26:23,394 --> 00:26:23,794
to,

716
00:26:24,353 --> 00:26:26,910
dear friend of mine from the Middle East,

717
00:26:29,162 --> 00:26:31,660
the Us for a lot of people is

718
00:26:32,358 --> 00:26:34,915
not their first choice of where they would

719
00:26:34,915 --> 00:26:37,318
want to go and not because they don't

720
00:26:37,318 --> 00:26:38,453
value our

721
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:44,490
he

722
00:26:46,154 --> 00:26:47,853
Yes Really thinking

723
00:26:49,270 --> 00:26:52,547
as Americans, it's hard for us to see

724
00:26:52,547 --> 00:26:55,375
the significance of freedom and to be I

725
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:57,180
do exist. I just I look at us,

726
00:26:57,339 --> 00:26:59,405
like, the the main girl in high school,

727
00:26:59,564 --> 00:27:01,684
like, the head cheerleader leader. Like, I'm so

728
00:27:01,963 --> 00:27:03,554
The cool. Yeah, we can be kind of

729
00:27:03,554 --> 00:27:05,701
the cool kids. Yeah. But, you know, we

730
00:27:05,701 --> 00:27:06,837
we are not

731
00:27:07,530 --> 00:27:10,155
who we think we are as Americans. Americans

732
00:27:10,155 --> 00:27:12,479
are everybody, you know, anybody. That's the thing.

733
00:27:12,717 --> 00:27:13,536
This is a multi

734
00:27:13,911 --> 00:27:15,185
country and so... Yeah. So...

735
00:27:15,901 --> 00:27:18,265
But but this fellow was told me that

736
00:27:18,623 --> 00:27:21,488
from his community, it's well known that it's

737
00:27:21,488 --> 00:27:23,478
a 1 or 2 year process just to

738
00:27:23,478 --> 00:27:25,649
get vetted to come to the United States

739
00:27:26,357 --> 00:27:28,107
So that's a big challenge. So you know

740
00:27:28,107 --> 00:27:29,937
you're just gonna be stuck somewhere until you

741
00:27:29,937 --> 00:27:32,084
go through that whole process, and then maybe

742
00:27:32,084 --> 00:27:33,993
you don't get approved for for 1 of

743
00:27:33,993 --> 00:27:36,345
a number of You have statistics on

744
00:27:37,125 --> 00:27:39,924
comparative brief versus non approved? No. I don't.

745
00:27:40,085 --> 00:27:41,605
But if you like, a I'll follow. Yeah.

746
00:27:42,005 --> 00:27:42,884
Yeah. And then,

747
00:27:43,525 --> 00:27:44,140
I can

748
00:27:44,657 --> 00:27:46,963
Okay. And then another reason why it's more

749
00:27:46,963 --> 00:27:48,554
attractive to go to some other countries is

750
00:27:48,554 --> 00:27:49,611
there are more

751
00:27:50,145 --> 00:27:50,645
robust

752
00:27:51,514 --> 00:27:53,668
support systems, like, maybe you get to go

753
00:27:53,668 --> 00:27:55,983
to a country where your kids are gonna

754
00:27:55,983 --> 00:27:57,659
get to go to college for free or

755
00:27:57,659 --> 00:27:59,666
there's free medical care or the cost of

756
00:27:59,666 --> 00:28:02,838
living is significantly lower. The Us is a

757
00:28:02,838 --> 00:28:05,138
tough place to come to because it's it's

758
00:28:05,138 --> 00:28:07,121
a word it's a real synchronous swim outfit.

759
00:28:07,453 --> 00:28:10,422
You know, Refugees will get about 6 months

760
00:28:10,956 --> 00:28:14,561
of support upon having arrived, which is basically

761
00:28:14,619 --> 00:28:17,576
food stamps and and some health care. Mh.

762
00:28:17,814 --> 00:28:18,053
They're...

763
00:28:19,007 --> 00:28:19,245
They...

764
00:28:19,881 --> 00:28:21,629
Are... They get, like, a month or 2

765
00:28:21,629 --> 00:28:24,173
of rent covered, and then they're on their

766
00:28:24,173 --> 00:28:24,411
own.

767
00:28:25,221 --> 00:28:26,574
And so you're talking about for a lot

768
00:28:26,574 --> 00:28:27,710
of folks, even

769
00:28:28,165 --> 00:28:30,176
some are fortunate to show up with language

770
00:28:30,233 --> 00:28:32,880
skills, many are are not, and so many

771
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,200
are just scrambling to get that first job

772
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:35,679
and to...

773
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,519
Again and again, and again,

774
00:28:40,328 --> 00:28:43,354
refugees talking to me about their desire to

775
00:28:43,354 --> 00:28:43,854
become

776
00:28:44,309 --> 00:28:46,936
contributing members of the culture that they're living

777
00:28:46,936 --> 00:28:47,096
in.

778
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:49,347
And that's 1 of the things that they

779
00:28:49,347 --> 00:28:51,984
feel as adults, 1 of the greatest losses

780
00:28:51,984 --> 00:28:54,461
that they experience is that in their country,

781
00:28:55,672 --> 00:28:58,854
they were a person of significance. They you

782
00:28:58,854 --> 00:29:00,866
had to do things. They had a contribute

783
00:29:01,479 --> 00:29:03,968
and to have been in limbo for a

784
00:29:03,968 --> 00:29:06,285
month or 5 years or 20 years. What

785
00:29:06,285 --> 00:29:07,803
that would do to a man or Woman

786
00:29:07,803 --> 00:29:10,121
would anybody just to be just to be,

787
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,364
you know, on the sidelines of your life

788
00:29:12,364 --> 00:29:14,666
with no controls over that next step. What,

789
00:29:14,904 --> 00:29:16,333
I mean, I've been out of work for

790
00:29:16,333 --> 00:29:18,317
about a year now. I've been very fortunate

791
00:29:18,317 --> 00:29:19,691
to have a big fat savings

792
00:29:20,397 --> 00:29:20,636
account,

793
00:29:21,272 --> 00:29:22,545
and to have been able to do some

794
00:29:22,545 --> 00:29:23,898
kind of piece meal over here and there,

795
00:29:24,216 --> 00:29:25,909
But it's been horribly mentally

796
00:29:27,239 --> 00:29:29,804
disrupting to me to be disconnected from the

797
00:29:29,804 --> 00:29:31,423
work that I do that's a contribute

798
00:29:32,041 --> 00:29:33,800
contribution. Sure. To the world that I live

799
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,597
in, and, you know, and and I even...

800
00:29:36,757 --> 00:29:38,435
You know, I eat day and sleep inside.

801
00:29:38,595 --> 00:29:41,471
So my situation is pretty easy. Right. So,

802
00:29:42,027 --> 00:29:43,616
I I, you know, my heart really goes

803
00:29:43,616 --> 00:29:44,728
out to folks and and you're talking about,

804
00:29:44,808 --> 00:29:46,079
you know in the refugee camps, you know,

805
00:29:46,238 --> 00:29:46,715
your kids,

806
00:29:47,604 --> 00:29:49,203
let's see your kids don't go to school

807
00:29:49,203 --> 00:29:51,121
for 4 or 5 years, what happens to

808
00:29:51,121 --> 00:29:52,879
them when they then get to another country,

809
00:29:53,278 --> 00:29:55,297
What happens, you know, you you miss a

810
00:29:55,356 --> 00:29:58,325
generation of education. Your whole culture just just

811
00:29:58,325 --> 00:29:58,883
hit the bricks.

812
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,435
Okay? That's 1 of the things that's happening

813
00:30:01,435 --> 00:30:03,131
with the Syrian. So did

814
00:30:03,508 --> 00:30:05,821
cross go in and and give... Do they

815
00:30:05,821 --> 00:30:07,903
help with that sort of thing? There there

816
00:30:07,903 --> 00:30:09,968
is a... You know, there are degrees of

817
00:30:09,968 --> 00:30:10,921
support. But, you know,

818
00:30:11,953 --> 00:30:12,112
there's...

819
00:30:13,462 --> 00:30:15,542
Are it a police state once inside a

820
00:30:15,542 --> 00:30:18,085
rep Refugee camp Are they infected with I'm

821
00:30:18,085 --> 00:30:20,787
very fortunate to, in November. I'm gonna be

822
00:30:20,787 --> 00:30:23,585
visiting Bur and visiting some of the refugee

823
00:30:23,585 --> 00:30:25,971
camps that are on the thai Be order,

824
00:30:26,130 --> 00:30:27,482
and we'll have a little bit better a

825
00:30:27,482 --> 00:30:27,960
sense of that.

826
00:30:29,088 --> 00:30:31,077
I would encourage anybody to just, do some

827
00:30:31,316 --> 00:30:33,304
Youtube videos on Refugee camps.

828
00:30:33,941 --> 00:30:35,293
Can get a sense of what's really going

829
00:30:35,293 --> 00:30:35,691
on there.

830
00:30:36,342 --> 00:30:38,013
That's the other end of the tunnel from

831
00:30:38,013 --> 00:30:40,161
what I'm familiar with now. What I see

832
00:30:40,161 --> 00:30:42,866
is people emerging from this tunnel of having

833
00:30:42,866 --> 00:30:45,428
been in limbo and now trying to adapt

834
00:30:45,428 --> 00:30:47,444
to what it's like in mistakes. Do I

835
00:30:47,502 --> 00:30:49,916
psychological services too? You know

836
00:30:50,772 --> 00:30:52,686
the we're we're talking about. I mean, here...

837
00:30:52,846 --> 00:30:54,974
This says, oh, yes. Okay. They're

838
00:30:55,493 --> 00:30:57,830
I think that that will vary depending on

839
00:30:58,048 --> 00:31:00,922
the services systems that are set up wherever

840
00:31:00,922 --> 00:31:03,238
you land. I know that in Portland, there

841
00:31:03,238 --> 00:31:04,616
was some, on a psychological

842
00:31:05,089 --> 00:31:07,085
support available. But then, you know, I mean,

843
00:31:07,165 --> 00:31:09,022
think about the challenge of how do you

844
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,014
language The... Exactly. How do you provide

845
00:31:15,397 --> 00:31:16,214
really good

846
00:31:17,220 --> 00:31:18,330
psychological support,

847
00:31:19,043 --> 00:31:20,866
an English speaker to an English speaker. Now.

848
00:31:21,025 --> 00:31:22,547
How are you gonna do that? To a

849
00:31:23,024 --> 00:31:25,012
Speaker. I mean, when there's nobody in town

850
00:31:25,012 --> 00:31:27,556
who speaks the language without the challenges of

851
00:31:27,556 --> 00:31:29,487
providing that are are

852
00:31:30,433 --> 00:31:31,865
are not insignificant.

853
00:31:32,342 --> 00:31:33,693
And it, you know, I think if anything,

854
00:31:33,852 --> 00:31:36,794
what I've learned from from just from spending

855
00:31:36,794 --> 00:31:38,359
time around refugees is that

856
00:31:38,956 --> 00:31:41,579
just I'm just amazed by how often they're

857
00:31:41,579 --> 00:31:43,328
just show up with their game face and

858
00:31:43,328 --> 00:31:44,123
they're, you know,

859
00:31:44,918 --> 00:31:46,684
they're just ready to try to to make

860
00:31:46,684 --> 00:31:48,679
things work. I see so little of the

861
00:31:48,679 --> 00:31:49,078
trauma,

862
00:31:49,637 --> 00:31:50,856
you know, that I know

863
00:31:51,393 --> 00:31:53,948
they've experienced. Mh so they're really remarkable bunch

864
00:31:53,948 --> 00:31:55,225
of people. So... Yeah.

865
00:31:56,353 --> 00:31:59,528
Wow. So explain... So now I'm here, I've

866
00:31:59,528 --> 00:32:02,226
made a vetting process? Okay. Do I get

867
00:32:02,226 --> 00:32:04,704
introduced to somebody like you? Do I Do

868
00:32:04,863 --> 00:32:07,019
I... How long do I meet you? Okay.

869
00:32:07,178 --> 00:32:08,535
Well, I can tell you about the system

870
00:32:08,535 --> 00:32:10,611
that I was involved within Portland. Okay. Okay.

871
00:32:10,851 --> 00:32:13,245
And, it varies from city to city wants

872
00:32:13,245 --> 00:32:15,329
to place I I Not every not every

873
00:32:15,329 --> 00:32:17,657
state has... No. There about a dozen cities

874
00:32:17,793 --> 00:32:19,144
in the Us that are...

875
00:32:20,416 --> 00:32:22,109
I've further referred to as

876
00:32:22,881 --> 00:32:25,686
a Asylum cities, I think in in

877
00:32:26,324 --> 00:32:28,715
on the radio recently, but basically, Nashville is

878
00:32:28,715 --> 00:32:31,187
1 of them. Nashville... I call them Refugee

879
00:32:31,187 --> 00:32:33,111
cities because kinda of the world that Working.

880
00:32:33,826 --> 00:32:35,892
Nashville a refugee city, Saint Paul,

881
00:32:37,004 --> 00:32:38,593
Minneapolis is a refugee city.

882
00:32:39,404 --> 00:32:39,884
Houston,

883
00:32:40,205 --> 00:32:40,765
New York,

884
00:32:42,125 --> 00:32:44,205
Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle.

885
00:32:44,845 --> 00:32:46,765
So there are a number of cities that

886
00:32:46,765 --> 00:32:50,951
were designated. I think back in the seventies

887
00:32:51,566 --> 00:32:53,239
is when most of the systems were set

888
00:32:53,239 --> 00:32:53,398
up,

889
00:32:55,643 --> 00:32:58,271
that provides services for refugees on arrival. Now

890
00:32:58,271 --> 00:32:59,783
as a refugee, if you show up as

891
00:32:59,783 --> 00:33:01,216
a refugee, you can go wherever of the

892
00:33:01,216 --> 00:33:03,207
hell you wanna go. Okay? Because you're here

893
00:33:03,207 --> 00:33:03,525
legally.

894
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,340
Most likely, you're gonna go someplace place that

895
00:33:06,340 --> 00:33:08,820
you have family or friends. Nice. That's a

896
00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:11,059
huge benefit if you can. And most likely,

897
00:33:11,140 --> 00:33:13,059
you're gonna go to a city that has

898
00:33:13,059 --> 00:33:14,991
some sort refugee services a.

899
00:33:15,549 --> 00:33:16,906
So in the system that I was working

900
00:33:16,906 --> 00:33:17,544
in portland,

901
00:33:18,262 --> 00:33:19,220
someone would arrive,

902
00:33:19,938 --> 00:33:21,969
and 1 of the volunteer

903
00:33:22,344 --> 00:33:25,923
agencies, catholic charities lutheran family services, and I

904
00:33:25,923 --> 00:33:27,537
apologize. There's also a Jewish

905
00:33:28,724 --> 00:33:31,361
oriented outfit that does this. The services are

906
00:33:31,361 --> 00:33:31,861
not

907
00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:34,797
denomination or religion specific.

908
00:33:35,277 --> 00:33:36,476
I mean in terms of who they serve.

909
00:33:36,715 --> 00:33:39,197
These are just outfits that have services systems

910
00:33:39,197 --> 00:33:41,343
set up. Someone will meet you at the

911
00:33:41,343 --> 00:33:43,092
airport where someone will have already found you

912
00:33:43,092 --> 00:33:44,125
an apartment, Mh.

913
00:33:44,841 --> 00:33:47,325
Furnished department. And this you know, some of

914
00:33:47,325 --> 00:33:50,684
the refugee apartments that I've seen, there's... They're

915
00:33:50,684 --> 00:33:51,664
just living in

916
00:33:52,125 --> 00:33:55,085
really pretty bad conditions in some cases. And

917
00:33:55,085 --> 00:33:57,654
in some cases in pretty fair condition. So

918
00:33:57,654 --> 00:33:58,850
that it can be all over the board

919
00:33:58,850 --> 00:33:59,169
on that.

920
00:33:59,966 --> 00:34:02,356
It's it's not it's not a big happy,

921
00:34:02,596 --> 00:34:04,920
huge free ride. I mean, it's just barely

922
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,454
getting by in a lot of circumstances,

923
00:34:06,988 --> 00:34:08,976
especially in a popular city like Portland or

924
00:34:09,135 --> 00:34:11,124
Nashville where the rents are going through the

925
00:34:11,124 --> 00:34:14,168
roof. You can imagine what challenges that puts

926
00:34:14,168 --> 00:34:16,165
on, placing refugees and the housing.

927
00:34:17,044 --> 00:34:20,260
Okay. So you get arrived from the airport

928
00:34:20,493 --> 00:34:22,635
tube pure new apartment, and you got a

929
00:34:22,635 --> 00:34:25,173
place to sleep, and you, within the first

930
00:34:25,173 --> 00:34:28,206
week, you will go through, medical screening and

931
00:34:28,206 --> 00:34:30,357
testing and any medical issues that need to

932
00:34:30,357 --> 00:34:32,986
be addressed will be addressed. And then you

933
00:34:32,986 --> 00:34:34,659
show up at a place like where I

934
00:34:34,659 --> 00:34:37,539
used to work, and you will take another

935
00:34:37,539 --> 00:34:40,163
screening to determine your English language level,

936
00:34:40,799 --> 00:34:43,025
and based on those English language levels, you'd

937
00:34:43,025 --> 00:34:45,671
be placed into different levels of classes

938
00:34:46,379 --> 00:34:48,868
And the classes that we provided

939
00:34:49,562 --> 00:34:50,062
were

940
00:34:51,790 --> 00:34:53,961
focused entirely on cultural

941
00:34:54,336 --> 00:34:55,313
adaptation and

942
00:34:56,181 --> 00:34:58,887
getting the person ready to engage in the

943
00:34:58,887 --> 00:35:01,195
job search as quick as possible. The goal

944
00:35:01,195 --> 00:35:02,809
is for people to become

945
00:35:03,279 --> 00:35:05,990
self supporting as quickly as possible. That's the

946
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:08,223
that's the overarching goal of the system Is

947
00:35:08,223 --> 00:35:09,021
to get people

948
00:35:09,499 --> 00:35:12,784
self supporting through. And employment is considered a

949
00:35:12,784 --> 00:35:15,278
route for doing now. Okay. So

950
00:35:16,931 --> 00:35:19,005
as you're going through these classes, you've got

951
00:35:19,005 --> 00:35:21,159
about 6 months, You're eligible for those classes

952
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:22,456
for about 6 months

953
00:35:23,010 --> 00:35:25,570
And during that time, you're working with what's

954
00:35:25,570 --> 00:35:27,969
called a job coach or employment specialist who's

955
00:35:27,969 --> 00:35:31,250
also working to connect you to employers in

956
00:35:31,250 --> 00:35:33,417
the area. So a lot of folks naturally

957
00:35:33,417 --> 00:35:34,394
go into

958
00:35:34,929 --> 00:35:37,474
food production and hospitality and kind of some

959
00:35:37,474 --> 00:35:40,200
of the the entry level sort of positions

960
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,960
that that you wouldn't have somebody would go

961
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,519
into. And it know again, so this this

962
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:45,960
makes us think about what are some of

963
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,926
the challenges for someone who is illiterate in

964
00:35:48,926 --> 00:35:50,991
their own language, you know, this is 1

965
00:35:50,991 --> 00:35:52,342
example. Somebody who can't read them right in

966
00:35:52,342 --> 00:35:52,977
their own language,

967
00:35:54,327 --> 00:35:55,598
trying to hold down a job as a

968
00:35:55,598 --> 00:35:57,838
house is gonna be pretty tough. Here in

969
00:35:57,838 --> 00:35:59,504
the Us with no language skills.

970
00:36:00,298 --> 00:36:03,393
Often, however, with a great desire. Work. The

971
00:36:03,393 --> 00:36:04,925
other side of that coin is

972
00:36:06,028 --> 00:36:09,069
you take this, you know, this hydro electric

973
00:36:09,284 --> 00:36:11,190
engineer who's in the same boat,

974
00:36:11,746 --> 00:36:14,391
you know, who... Somebody who has been fantastically.

975
00:36:15,097 --> 00:36:17,401
Able to contribute to their culture and their

976
00:36:17,401 --> 00:36:20,102
family and their will be. And now they're

977
00:36:20,102 --> 00:36:21,691
trying to get a job as a house.

978
00:36:22,342 --> 00:36:24,248
And what that goes to somebody. Yeah. So

979
00:36:24,248 --> 00:36:27,902
you're talking about just people from AAA

980
00:36:27,902 --> 00:36:30,841
really broad spectrum of backgrounds who are trying

981
00:36:30,841 --> 00:36:31,341
to

982
00:36:32,049 --> 00:36:34,681
Again, again, and again, I... My honest belief

983
00:36:34,681 --> 00:36:37,873
is really trying to become contributors just as

984
00:36:37,873 --> 00:36:40,043
quickly as as the can. They they want

985
00:36:40,043 --> 00:36:41,961
their kids to be okay. They want themselves

986
00:36:41,961 --> 00:36:43,879
to be okay. And and they're. They have

987
00:36:43,879 --> 00:36:46,516
a they want to best can in being

988
00:36:46,516 --> 00:36:47,690
here. You know, I

989
00:36:48,130 --> 00:36:49,809
I really don't have a much of a

990
00:36:49,809 --> 00:36:50,710
sense of people

991
00:36:51,010 --> 00:36:53,329
showing peter looking forward to a free ride

992
00:36:53,329 --> 00:36:55,489
or anything like that. Most people are are

993
00:36:55,489 --> 00:36:56,309
really happy

994
00:36:56,862 --> 00:36:58,766
to get that first job and and to

995
00:36:58,766 --> 00:37:00,353
try to get things off the ground. Experience.

996
00:37:00,591 --> 00:37:02,416
That's kinda weird. That's that's kinda what happens.

997
00:37:03,131 --> 00:37:04,480
Now to go a little bit further with

998
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,560
your question though what happens when you arrive

999
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:06,719
here.

1000
00:37:07,434 --> 00:37:08,864
Okay? So you got a place to stay

1001
00:37:08,864 --> 00:37:11,009
that you are responsible for paying your rent.

1002
00:37:11,803 --> 00:37:13,961
I've almost never been to a refugees house

1003
00:37:13,961 --> 00:37:15,548
that the lights were turned on in a

1004
00:37:15,548 --> 00:37:19,358
daytime because there's no money for electric or

1005
00:37:19,358 --> 00:37:21,598
utilities or anything like that. You got your

1006
00:37:21,598 --> 00:37:23,594
rent covered for a couple of months, but

1007
00:37:23,594 --> 00:37:25,350
everything else is on you, and so you

1008
00:37:25,350 --> 00:37:27,905
got people live in living pretty cheap, you

1009
00:37:27,905 --> 00:37:29,501
know, saving money in any way that they

1010
00:37:29,501 --> 00:37:29,820
can,

1011
00:37:30,554 --> 00:37:31,054
often

1012
00:37:31,433 --> 00:37:33,590
often finding ways to make it work because

1013
00:37:33,590 --> 00:37:34,809
the human capacity

1014
00:37:35,268 --> 00:37:37,026
to serve survive was just so stanley.

1015
00:37:37,585 --> 00:37:37,905
Absolutely.

1016
00:37:38,478 --> 00:37:38,978
So

1017
00:37:39,354 --> 00:37:40,151
like, if I come...

1018
00:37:41,425 --> 00:37:43,996
If I come to a new country, and

1019
00:37:44,293 --> 00:37:46,204
my kids are gonna start going to school,

1020
00:37:47,494 --> 00:37:49,085
Okay. So I'm gonna take this from the

1021
00:37:49,085 --> 00:37:51,473
perspective of of, maybe a a young father

1022
00:37:51,473 --> 00:37:53,462
or, young family. Okay. My kids are gonna

1023
00:37:53,462 --> 00:37:54,815
start going to school. They're gonna pick up

1024
00:37:54,974 --> 00:37:56,588
English pretty quickly because

1025
00:37:57,217 --> 00:37:59,124
they're a little bit younger and it's just,

1026
00:37:59,283 --> 00:38:00,419
you know, that that

1027
00:38:01,031 --> 00:38:02,938
just... That's the way we'll build, You know,

1028
00:38:03,097 --> 00:38:04,924
we can pick up languages more easily when

1029
00:38:04,924 --> 00:38:07,802
we're young. But the real deal is they're

1030
00:38:07,802 --> 00:38:09,972
picking up the language faster because

1031
00:38:10,666 --> 00:38:11,166
they're

1032
00:38:11,779 --> 00:38:12,279
listening

1033
00:38:12,829 --> 00:38:15,219
reading writing and speaking in English for 8

1034
00:38:15,219 --> 00:38:17,689
hours a day. It's immersion? It's... Yeah. It's

1035
00:38:17,689 --> 00:38:20,318
it's the in that. It's the time spent

1036
00:38:20,318 --> 00:38:22,071
in the language that enables you to pick

1037
00:38:22,071 --> 00:38:22,310
it up.

1038
00:38:22,961 --> 00:38:25,106
Okay. So, M is as the young father,

1039
00:38:25,264 --> 00:38:26,773
I'm may be fortunate to get a job.

1040
00:38:28,044 --> 00:38:30,188
Now let's compare the difference between if I

1041
00:38:30,188 --> 00:38:31,403
get a job as a cashier.

1042
00:38:32,268 --> 00:38:34,255
Or if I get a job in a

1043
00:38:34,255 --> 00:38:37,831
production facility. Okay? In the production facility, my

1044
00:38:37,831 --> 00:38:39,977
need to communicate in English is gonna be

1045
00:38:39,977 --> 00:38:40,795
very limited

1046
00:38:41,344 --> 00:38:43,117
and there's a fair chance, unfortunately,

1047
00:38:43,652 --> 00:38:45,325
that there will be other people from my

1048
00:38:45,325 --> 00:38:47,634
language background that are working there as well.

1049
00:38:47,952 --> 00:38:49,599
And so my need... So

1050
00:38:49,959 --> 00:38:52,297
Now, my 8 hours a day are either

1051
00:38:52,356 --> 00:38:55,313
not speaking English or remaining in my native

1052
00:38:55,313 --> 00:38:55,712
language.

1053
00:38:56,271 --> 00:38:58,598
Okay. So that and as know it slows

1054
00:38:58,598 --> 00:39:00,347
things down. My my ability to pick up

1055
00:39:00,347 --> 00:39:01,777
the language is a little bit tough. And

1056
00:39:01,857 --> 00:39:03,208
I got that just to interject for a

1057
00:39:03,208 --> 00:39:05,036
second it, it frustrate me when I hear

1058
00:39:05,036 --> 00:39:06,840
people say, well, you live in America asian

1059
00:39:07,117 --> 00:39:09,577
English. And I don't think people realize how

1060
00:39:09,577 --> 00:39:12,195
daunting, first of all, the English languages, that's

1061
00:39:12,195 --> 00:39:14,673
number 1. I mean, plenty people born can

1062
00:39:14,673 --> 00:39:17,384
barely handle the English language Right. And 2,

1063
00:39:17,862 --> 00:39:21,052
the comfort and safety zone of being with

1064
00:39:21,052 --> 00:39:22,886
people that speak your language. I mean,

1065
00:39:23,619 --> 00:39:25,450
It would be, like, if you took an

1066
00:39:25,689 --> 00:39:27,361
American and threw them on, you know, on

1067
00:39:27,361 --> 00:39:29,590
the planet at Z arc and suddenly, they're

1068
00:39:29,590 --> 00:39:31,501
not speaking Z can, They don't know how

1069
00:39:31,501 --> 00:39:33,507
to speak that... How lonely would that be?

1070
00:39:33,826 --> 00:39:34,065
Right.

1071
00:39:34,703 --> 00:39:37,889
And to not understand that to you... Well,

1072
00:39:38,128 --> 00:39:39,894
you know, the 1 of the things that

1073
00:39:39,894 --> 00:39:43,099
comes up with with language skills as Americans,

1074
00:39:44,030 --> 00:39:45,804
most of us learned

1075
00:39:46,115 --> 00:39:49,015
the 1 language that we know as very

1076
00:39:49,155 --> 00:39:51,635
young people, and we don't really have a

1077
00:39:51,635 --> 00:39:53,335
sense of what it takes

1078
00:39:54,208 --> 00:39:55,560
to learn to speak a language.

1079
00:39:56,196 --> 00:39:56,356
Okay?

1080
00:39:57,071 --> 00:39:58,844
A good way to think about it is

1081
00:39:59,299 --> 00:40:01,049
if I got a guitar,

1082
00:40:02,894 --> 00:40:04,748
it may take me a couple of months

1083
00:40:04,965 --> 00:40:06,478
just to get, you know, to where I

1084
00:40:06,478 --> 00:40:09,028
could handle handle something like Twinkle twinkle little

1085
00:40:09,028 --> 00:40:09,347
star,

1086
00:40:09,919 --> 00:40:12,463
going out on tour is years down the

1087
00:40:12,463 --> 00:40:14,054
road. Okay. And that's a good way to

1088
00:40:14,054 --> 00:40:16,757
think about people who are learning to communicate

1089
00:40:16,757 --> 00:40:17,235
in English.

1090
00:40:18,507 --> 00:40:19,325
When somebody

1091
00:40:19,873 --> 00:40:21,938
can speak to you a little bit in

1092
00:40:22,097 --> 00:40:24,320
English. That doesn't... It's not helpful for you

1093
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,146
to go full throttle and start giving them

1094
00:40:26,146 --> 00:40:27,361
a native level

1095
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:30,706
English because they just can't work at that

1096
00:40:30,706 --> 00:40:30,866
level.

1097
00:40:32,225 --> 00:40:33,583
There are ways and I'd like to talk

1098
00:40:33,583 --> 00:40:34,782
to you a little bit about this to

1099
00:40:34,782 --> 00:40:37,833
kind pitch your language level to work effectively

1100
00:40:37,833 --> 00:40:39,588
with people who are language learners. So your

1101
00:40:39,588 --> 00:40:40,943
point, I think is really significant.

1102
00:40:41,821 --> 00:40:42,959
Many people who

1103
00:40:43,655 --> 00:40:46,128
are here whose English isn't perfect.

1104
00:40:47,418 --> 00:40:49,488
It's easy to underestimate that it took them

1105
00:40:49,488 --> 00:40:51,478
years perhaps to get as far as they

1106
00:40:51,478 --> 00:40:53,387
are, and they're working on it really hard,

1107
00:40:54,183 --> 00:40:54,683
but

1108
00:40:56,032 --> 00:40:58,268
if my job is a... And, again, I'm

1109
00:40:58,268 --> 00:40:59,864
gonna go back to my young father analogy.

1110
00:41:00,343 --> 00:41:01,780
Okay. I wake up with my family at

1111
00:41:01,780 --> 00:41:03,856
the house in the morning, we probably spend

1112
00:41:03,856 --> 00:41:05,865
some time, you know, eating breakfast, whatnot there

1113
00:41:05,865 --> 00:41:08,097
in the morning gotta get everybody up, fed

1114
00:41:08,097 --> 00:41:10,090
off to school but whatnot, I go to

1115
00:41:10,090 --> 00:41:12,162
work all day. Okay. So now I'm 8

1116
00:41:12,162 --> 00:41:14,087
hours in. And I've got that 3 or

1117
00:41:14,087 --> 00:41:16,177
4 hour window in the evening

1118
00:41:16,869 --> 00:41:17,369
between,

1119
00:41:18,142 --> 00:41:18,460
you know,

1120
00:41:19,494 --> 00:41:21,900
can't getting home from work and going to

1121
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:22,699
sleep myself,

1122
00:41:24,219 --> 00:41:25,119
stacking up

1123
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:28,355
language lessons on top of that is

1124
00:41:28,791 --> 00:41:31,962
is powerful, but that's a huge investment. I

1125
00:41:31,962 --> 00:41:34,974
mean, it's it it's like going to medical

1126
00:41:34,974 --> 00:41:36,498
school or something like that. I mean, it's

1127
00:41:36,498 --> 00:41:38,252
a really big deal for somebody to do

1128
00:41:38,252 --> 00:41:40,405
that, and you can't just turn this ship

1129
00:41:40,405 --> 00:41:42,079
around in a day or 2. It takes

1130
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:44,311
somebody years of effort to make practical to

1131
00:41:44,311 --> 00:41:44,811
make

1132
00:41:45,203 --> 00:41:47,989
significant progress when they... Because of perhaps the

1133
00:41:47,989 --> 00:41:50,956
circumstances of their employment means that they only

1134
00:41:51,013 --> 00:41:53,401
can can even work on their language skills

1135
00:41:53,401 --> 00:41:54,515
for a few hours a day.

1136
00:41:55,483 --> 00:41:57,548
So now let's come back to previously, we

1137
00:41:57,548 --> 00:41:59,295
said, okay. If I'm working in a factory,

1138
00:41:59,533 --> 00:42:01,121
and I'm, you know, I'm speaking my native

1139
00:42:01,121 --> 00:42:03,265
language or not communicating all day long.

1140
00:42:04,791 --> 00:42:06,780
The challenges is that that that's gonna bring

1141
00:42:06,780 --> 00:42:08,134
up. Now if I get it happen to

1142
00:42:08,134 --> 00:42:09,327
get a job as a cashier,

1143
00:42:09,805 --> 00:42:12,113
then all day long. It's hello. How are

1144
00:42:12,113 --> 00:42:14,993
you? I'm communicating with people even just the

1145
00:42:14,993 --> 00:42:15,493
familiarity

1146
00:42:15,868 --> 00:42:18,971
with making eye contact, saying hello and having

1147
00:42:18,971 --> 00:42:21,436
just that little short conversation that gives you

1148
00:42:21,436 --> 00:42:24,707
confidence and then that person is so much

1149
00:42:24,707 --> 00:42:27,244
more fortunate to be put to the Single

1150
00:42:27,244 --> 00:42:29,623
swing situation of use them the language on

1151
00:42:29,623 --> 00:42:31,546
a regular basis. So there's all kind of

1152
00:42:31,546 --> 00:42:33,003
factors involved in

1153
00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:35,454
how quickly a person can pick up the

1154
00:42:35,454 --> 00:42:35,853
language.

1155
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:38,564
Now I have known people who are in

1156
00:42:38,564 --> 00:42:39,942
their fifties and sixties

1157
00:42:40,254 --> 00:42:41,292
who come to the Us,

1158
00:42:42,010 --> 00:42:44,405
and they're absolutely given a hell and they

1159
00:42:44,405 --> 00:42:46,960
really do make progress with their language. Mh.

1160
00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:49,195
But think about if you're 50 years old,

1161
00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:50,888
and you moved to Turkey,

1162
00:42:51,527 --> 00:42:53,465
What are the chances of you really,

1163
00:42:53,924 --> 00:42:56,002
Right. Getting that atlanta? Well like anything, There's

1164
00:42:56,002 --> 00:42:57,735
gonna be a few people who are accepting

1165
00:42:58,092 --> 00:43:00,716
at language skills right. Like there's great mathematicians

1166
00:43:00,716 --> 00:43:03,181
or some exceptional at music or whatever it

1167
00:43:03,181 --> 00:43:05,646
is. Some people's brains work well for language.

1168
00:43:05,884 --> 00:43:07,020
Well, and I would say

1169
00:43:07,807 --> 00:43:10,766
very significantly. It's it's often

1170
00:43:11,378 --> 00:43:14,338
less a question of capacity as it is

1171
00:43:14,473 --> 00:43:16,005
opportunity. And people

1172
00:43:16,552 --> 00:43:18,936
people who make progress with the language are

1173
00:43:18,936 --> 00:43:19,436
often

1174
00:43:20,048 --> 00:43:22,750
struggling to find the opportunity to make. To

1175
00:43:22,750 --> 00:43:24,817
make that progress. America has f.

1176
00:43:25,309 --> 00:43:28,412
Every language has f is. Mean what's b

1177
00:43:28,412 --> 00:43:30,481
and a f and a, you know, the

1178
00:43:30,481 --> 00:43:33,027
okay. L and r sure Sure.

1179
00:43:33,823 --> 00:43:35,432
Estimate to. Know, I'm was sure that the

1180
00:43:35,432 --> 00:43:35,751
sound,

1181
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:39,441
the earth sound in bird is the hardest

1182
00:43:39,659 --> 00:43:40,159
sound

1183
00:43:40,616 --> 00:43:42,849
to learn to pronounce if you're not born

1184
00:43:42,849 --> 00:43:45,493
in a culture that produces that Yeah. Fun

1185
00:43:45,493 --> 00:43:46,788
fact. I'm That

1186
00:43:47,242 --> 00:43:47,322
us.

1187
00:43:48,276 --> 00:43:49,548
So... It doesn't gonna to be true this

1188
00:43:49,786 --> 00:43:50,343
America. Yeah.

1189
00:43:52,664 --> 00:43:54,811
Kidding. Well, now, let's let's come back to

1190
00:43:54,811 --> 00:43:56,800
our family. The kids are at school. The

1191
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,550
dads off at work, and and this is

1192
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:59,425
what typically happens.

1193
00:44:00,156 --> 00:44:02,803
The woman is often at home

1194
00:44:03,576 --> 00:44:04,609
taking care of the house,

1195
00:44:05,723 --> 00:44:06,223
and

1196
00:44:08,681 --> 00:44:09,420
This social

1197
00:44:09,796 --> 00:44:12,583
isolation experience by women can be really significant.

1198
00:44:12,821 --> 00:44:15,528
Mh. Especially perhaps because of maybe your religious

1199
00:44:15,528 --> 00:44:18,431
background puts further constraints on who

1200
00:44:18,806 --> 00:44:20,897
the... You're culturally familiar with

1201
00:44:21,351 --> 00:44:23,181
communicating with. Are you might not even be

1202
00:44:23,181 --> 00:44:24,454
a allowed of speak to men but you

1203
00:44:24,454 --> 00:44:26,780
don't know. Right. Right. Right. Without some other

1204
00:44:26,780 --> 00:44:28,535
managers do no present. Right. So a lot

1205
00:44:28,535 --> 00:44:30,130
of rules around... There are a lot of

1206
00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:32,363
rules around that. And it's it's dismissive of

1207
00:44:32,363 --> 00:44:34,118
a culture to say that that's right or

1208
00:44:34,118 --> 00:44:35,210
wrong. You know, they're

1209
00:44:35,727 --> 00:44:36,523
it's just the way it is.

1210
00:44:37,557 --> 00:44:38,910
It's just the way is. Like if I

1211
00:44:38,910 --> 00:44:41,376
went to France, I wouldn't insist that my

1212
00:44:41,376 --> 00:44:42,704
wife went top at the beach

1213
00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:45,606
Okay. I mean, it's just guys going to

1214
00:44:45,606 --> 00:44:47,673
do that And? Okay. So people are where

1215
00:44:47,673 --> 00:44:50,296
they are. Yeah. Okay. So now what's gonna

1216
00:44:50,296 --> 00:44:51,568
happen is my kids are gonna pick up

1217
00:44:51,568 --> 00:44:52,935
the language pretty quickly,

1218
00:44:53,571 --> 00:44:55,718
I may over the next few years pick

1219
00:44:55,718 --> 00:44:57,150
up the language to some degree.

1220
00:44:57,865 --> 00:45:00,012
My ability to speak the language is going

1221
00:45:00,012 --> 00:45:01,841
to make or break my opportunities.

1222
00:45:03,046 --> 00:45:05,026
Throughout the rest of my life in in

1223
00:45:05,026 --> 00:45:08,195
this culture. And it can also further separate

1224
00:45:08,195 --> 00:45:10,196
a child from a parent. Well, this this

1225
00:45:10,196 --> 00:45:11,152
is 1 of the challenges,

1226
00:45:12,108 --> 00:45:14,817
often the children are brought in to act

1227
00:45:14,817 --> 00:45:17,684
as interpreter for the family. And so now,

1228
00:45:18,083 --> 00:45:18,401
again,

1229
00:45:18,974 --> 00:45:21,125
the man who's been accustomed to being head

1230
00:45:21,125 --> 00:45:23,196
of that of the family and for can,

1231
00:45:23,276 --> 00:45:25,586
you know, being responsible for taking care of

1232
00:45:25,586 --> 00:45:28,157
business is relying on their child to

1233
00:45:28,548 --> 00:45:30,693
translate with the teachers to translate with the

1234
00:45:30,693 --> 00:45:33,156
doctors and not got my kid translating my

1235
00:45:33,156 --> 00:45:34,132
medical problems

1236
00:45:34,665 --> 00:45:35,403
to my.

1237
00:45:35,936 --> 00:45:38,025
And about the the switch in roles that.

1238
00:45:38,334 --> 00:45:41,434
There. Yeah. Okay. So that's that's something. All

1239
00:45:41,434 --> 00:45:43,818
these, you know, these family dynamic stuff that

1240
00:45:43,818 --> 00:45:46,044
have things that happened within, on the newly

1241
00:45:46,044 --> 00:45:47,530
arrived, families or

1242
00:45:47,968 --> 00:45:49,641
are are quite challenging.

1243
00:45:50,677 --> 00:45:51,496
And so

1244
00:45:52,111 --> 00:45:53,864
my children very likely,

1245
00:45:54,980 --> 00:45:57,232
if I have children born here

1246
00:45:58,180 --> 00:45:58,657
Now,

1247
00:46:00,009 --> 00:46:00,509
I'm

1248
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:01,940
thinking

1249
00:46:02,713 --> 00:46:05,257
living my mental process is going on let's

1250
00:46:05,257 --> 00:46:06,768
say, for example, in Soma somalia,

1251
00:46:07,737 --> 00:46:10,198
And my children's mental process is going on

1252
00:46:10,198 --> 00:46:12,660
in English, I may never really be able

1253
00:46:12,660 --> 00:46:15,042
to communicate effectively with my own children.

1254
00:46:15,677 --> 00:46:17,780
So if this gap that occurs

1255
00:46:18,472 --> 00:46:21,513
between within the family of the arrival

1256
00:46:21,886 --> 00:46:24,800
generation and the youth of that generation is

1257
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,236
can be really profound. Mh. And so the

1258
00:46:27,236 --> 00:46:29,632
challenges that your family is facing and adapting

1259
00:46:29,632 --> 00:46:30,452
to the culture

1260
00:46:30,911 --> 00:46:33,715
and in just maintaining your family there are

1261
00:46:33,715 --> 00:46:35,865
some huge challenges that fill on. No. I

1262
00:46:35,865 --> 00:46:37,856
have, but I feel like list just children

1263
00:46:37,856 --> 00:46:39,608
are. It's hard enough to be a kid.

1264
00:46:39,926 --> 00:46:42,812
Right. And a teenager, especially, where Right I

1265
00:46:42,812 --> 00:46:43,051
mean,

1266
00:46:43,769 --> 00:46:45,843
when you're surrounded by everyone the same and

1267
00:46:45,843 --> 00:46:47,677
you're routine, if you're gonna hate parents for

1268
00:46:47,677 --> 00:46:49,831
a minute anyway. So then throw into the

1269
00:46:49,831 --> 00:46:49,990
mix,

1270
00:46:50,644 --> 00:46:51,144
where

1271
00:46:51,763 --> 00:46:53,601
you're from a culture that might be verified

1272
00:46:53,601 --> 00:46:54,581
out of ignorance

1273
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:57,677
for for whatever reason because you're different. So

1274
00:46:57,757 --> 00:47:00,095
I come into junior high school, and

1275
00:47:00,409 --> 00:47:01,046
I'm ashamed.

1276
00:47:01,683 --> 00:47:03,674
Probably because, you know, I think that happens.

1277
00:47:04,072 --> 00:47:06,939
The human desire to find is really powerful.

1278
00:47:07,178 --> 00:47:08,771
Yes. My mother used to come to pick

1279
00:47:08,771 --> 00:47:10,614
me up from Junior High and her per

1280
00:47:10,614 --> 00:47:12,757
green rabbit, and I was like, to take

1281
00:47:12,757 --> 00:47:13,257
me

1282
00:47:16,251 --> 00:47:18,530
take all that other 7 in there and

1283
00:47:18,649 --> 00:47:20,402
And now I think would create even more

1284
00:47:20,402 --> 00:47:22,792
of a divide. So So so I think

1285
00:47:22,792 --> 00:47:24,704
it's valuable. No I think that per green

1286
00:47:24,704 --> 00:47:27,333
rabbit I think bad app but which should

1287
00:47:27,333 --> 00:47:29,903
still have it. So in the family. Anyway.

1288
00:47:30,302 --> 00:47:31,901
I I think my takeaway away from all

1289
00:47:31,901 --> 00:47:35,278
this is just to recognize that that whether

1290
00:47:35,337 --> 00:47:37,835
immigrant or refugee, your your

1291
00:47:38,704 --> 00:47:40,772
It's good to remember that these folks are

1292
00:47:40,772 --> 00:47:41,272
often

1293
00:47:42,203 --> 00:47:45,224
really working much harder than you might suspect

1294
00:47:45,224 --> 00:47:49,303
to overcome challenges that that are not easy

1295
00:47:49,303 --> 00:47:52,041
for you to detect that are overwhelmingly,

1296
00:47:53,299 --> 00:47:54,758
significantly in their own person

1297
00:47:55,137 --> 00:47:56,735
professional lives. Sharing. So that's kind of the

1298
00:47:56,735 --> 00:47:58,507
takeaway away from all that. Yeah. You know.

1299
00:47:59,306 --> 00:48:00,204
And so then

1300
00:48:00,663 --> 00:48:03,137
it's it's not too surprising when I become

1301
00:48:03,137 --> 00:48:05,053
a grand grandparent. And again,

1302
00:48:06,090 --> 00:48:08,180
I can't speak to my grandchildren at all.

1303
00:48:08,659 --> 00:48:10,972
Yeah. Because then the children most likely have

1304
00:48:10,972 --> 00:48:13,125
not translated that language down, You know? And

1305
00:48:13,125 --> 00:48:15,518
so there's some... There's some very significant things.

1306
00:48:15,677 --> 00:48:16,610
And in, you know, most

1307
00:48:17,367 --> 00:48:19,519
most refugee families that I talked to. It's

1308
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:21,512
not unusual for people to say, listen my

1309
00:48:21,512 --> 00:48:22,788
job. I got us here.

1310
00:48:23,744 --> 00:48:24,462
I don't care.

1311
00:48:25,753 --> 00:48:26,253
Everything

1312
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:29,123
goes into the success

1313
00:48:29,660 --> 00:48:31,914
of the next gen. Mh. And so

1314
00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:34,420
the the sacrifices prices that are made for

1315
00:48:34,539 --> 00:48:37,333
that are are often just phenomenal and heartbreaking,

1316
00:48:37,652 --> 00:48:40,067
You know? Because the the kid can't really

1317
00:48:40,525 --> 00:48:42,840
appreciate it probably until they or have kids

1318
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,003
of drones. Right There's some pretty significant stuff

1319
00:48:45,003 --> 00:48:46,672
that goes on there. So that's kind of

1320
00:48:46,672 --> 00:48:49,161
what happens that that multi generational

1321
00:48:49,536 --> 00:48:51,603
experience of moving to that new country. And

1322
00:48:51,603 --> 00:48:52,898
it's not just when

1323
00:48:54,248 --> 00:48:56,187
refugees or immigrants come here, that's whenever

1324
00:48:56,646 --> 00:48:59,203
any family from any place goes to another

1325
00:48:59,203 --> 00:49:01,281
country your a culture or whatever. Sure. But

1326
00:49:01,281 --> 00:49:03,214
when you pile on top of the the

1327
00:49:03,214 --> 00:49:03,714
trauma

1328
00:49:04,253 --> 00:49:06,969
that probably went on for years or decades

1329
00:49:06,969 --> 00:49:08,806
or whatever on top of it. So I

1330
00:49:08,966 --> 00:49:10,025
I just I just

1331
00:49:10,338 --> 00:49:12,086
you know, I I really had grown to

1332
00:49:12,086 --> 00:49:13,913
admire the the refugees that I've worked with.

1333
00:49:14,152 --> 00:49:16,376
Just some. You had a particular story that

1334
00:49:16,376 --> 00:49:18,600
you'd like to share. Yeah. You know, there

1335
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:19,077
there was

1336
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,750
There was 1 lady. The weather there's so

1337
00:49:22,750 --> 00:49:25,057
many and in fact, I would encourage you,

1338
00:49:25,455 --> 00:49:26,569
and maybe we can put a link to

1339
00:49:26,569 --> 00:49:29,448
this on the I definitely. I that. Did

1340
00:49:29,448 --> 00:49:29,766
a little,

1341
00:49:30,722 --> 00:49:32,950
Youtube... Or I did a short film that's

1342
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:35,656
on Youtube. You can look up, our story,

1343
00:49:36,293 --> 00:49:37,248
refugees, Portland.

1344
00:49:37,965 --> 00:49:38,283
And

1345
00:49:39,254 --> 00:49:41,568
there are some 5 or 6 different refugees

1346
00:49:41,568 --> 00:49:43,265
telling him a little bit about their stories

1347
00:49:45,558 --> 00:49:46,696
of what happened

1348
00:49:47,088 --> 00:49:48,994
know, before coming into the Us and then

1349
00:49:48,994 --> 00:49:51,138
kind of their experiences being here. So I

1350
00:49:51,217 --> 00:49:52,408
I would look into that. I think that

1351
00:49:52,408 --> 00:49:54,155
the refugees speaking for themselves is pretty good.

1352
00:49:54,473 --> 00:49:55,917
I'll definitely a link up for that. Right.

1353
00:49:56,155 --> 00:49:59,252
Right. On the website. Okay. And then, let's

1354
00:49:59,252 --> 00:50:00,920
see. There were some... A couple of the

1355
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,826
things I wanted to kinda cover with you

1356
00:50:02,826 --> 00:50:04,119
moving on put

1357
00:50:04,826 --> 00:50:06,017
the rest these stories.

1358
00:50:07,764 --> 00:50:09,511
Okay. So having said all that,

1359
00:50:10,384 --> 00:50:12,449
and how were we doing long time? Got

1360
00:50:12,449 --> 00:50:15,641
about 15 minutes Okay. Well, then let's let's

1361
00:50:15,641 --> 00:50:17,173
go from some of those background

1362
00:50:17,706 --> 00:50:19,930
information into some kind of practical things that

1363
00:50:19,930 --> 00:50:22,710
your eye could do to... Because again, I

1364
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:23,449
think that

1365
00:50:24,393 --> 00:50:26,934
The capacity to communicate in English is a

1366
00:50:26,934 --> 00:50:28,602
real deal breaker for a lot of folks.

1367
00:50:28,761 --> 00:50:31,063
It's gonna either open or close doors throughout

1368
00:50:31,063 --> 00:50:33,493
their life here. Mh. And so how

1369
00:50:33,872 --> 00:50:34,372
as

1370
00:50:34,751 --> 00:50:37,868
a member of the of the mainstream or

1371
00:50:37,868 --> 00:50:40,345
native born culture, you know, what's your side

1372
00:50:40,345 --> 00:50:42,280
of the bridge? These people are working their

1373
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,039
asses off trying to pick up the language,

1374
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:45,340
what can you do

1375
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:46,860
to try to help

1376
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,971
build the bridge from your size. Sure. To

1377
00:50:49,971 --> 00:50:53,150
to ensure more effective communication And. Okay. So

1378
00:50:53,150 --> 00:50:54,524
let's wrap up with some... So

1379
00:50:55,216 --> 00:50:57,019
Like Yeah. What can you do that? When

1380
00:50:57,219 --> 00:50:59,456
what can you do help? Humanity. Right. Goes

1381
00:50:59,456 --> 00:51:01,453
a long way. Yeah. It really does. You

1382
00:51:01,453 --> 00:51:03,391
know, the the first step, honestly,

1383
00:51:04,824 --> 00:51:07,065
is I think that it it's easy to

1384
00:51:07,065 --> 00:51:09,724
underestimate the significance of just connecting

1385
00:51:10,025 --> 00:51:11,625
with the person as a human.

1386
00:51:12,264 --> 00:51:12,344
Okay?

1387
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,380
If I go

1388
00:51:14,839 --> 00:51:15,339
to

1389
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,079
the store and I'm looking for something, I'm

1390
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:21,079
a lot better served to just start out

1391
00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:23,735
with hello How are you than to just

1392
00:51:23,735 --> 00:51:26,614
dive right into where the bacon. Okay? Just

1393
00:51:26,614 --> 00:51:28,715
making that human connection with somebody

1394
00:51:29,175 --> 00:51:32,156
with a smile, and hello is a really

1395
00:51:32,527 --> 00:51:34,112
big deal. Mh Okay?

1396
00:51:36,014 --> 00:51:38,992
Trying to communicate as a as a language

1397
00:51:39,131 --> 00:51:41,686
learner is pretty intimidating for a lot of

1398
00:51:41,686 --> 00:51:43,543
folks now some people are just fearless

1399
00:51:44,081 --> 00:51:45,996
and they'll go for it. But most people

1400
00:51:45,996 --> 00:51:47,605
you can do a whole for them just

1401
00:51:47,605 --> 00:51:50,467
by giving these kind of social cues that

1402
00:51:50,547 --> 00:51:51,898
I'm not gonna beat you up for making

1403
00:51:51,898 --> 00:51:54,363
a mistake. Okay? So I always say, start

1404
00:51:54,363 --> 00:51:57,411
out with a smile. Everybody gets what a

1405
00:51:57,411 --> 00:51:58,231
smile is

1406
00:51:58,770 --> 00:52:00,447
and a hello. That's a really big deal.

1407
00:52:00,767 --> 00:52:01,965
Okay? So that's 1 of the first things

1408
00:52:01,965 --> 00:52:03,918
you can do. And then practically,

1409
00:52:06,691 --> 00:52:06,851
okay.

1410
00:52:07,569 --> 00:52:08,048
First thing,

1411
00:52:09,565 --> 00:52:11,640
put space between your words.

1412
00:52:12,690 --> 00:52:12,849
Okay?

1413
00:52:13,643 --> 00:52:15,469
So it may sound awkward, but, you know,

1414
00:52:15,627 --> 00:52:17,532
when we're speaking in English, you know, like,

1415
00:52:17,692 --> 00:52:19,597
if you hear somebody speaking Spanish, and you

1416
00:52:19,597 --> 00:52:22,170
don't speaks Spanish. It sounds like they're talking

1417
00:52:22,170 --> 00:52:24,969
really fast fast. It's not that they're talking

1418
00:52:24,969 --> 00:52:26,489
fast. It's just that you don't know the

1419
00:52:26,489 --> 00:52:27,630
language and you

1420
00:52:28,264 --> 00:52:29,084
you can't

1421
00:52:30,341 --> 00:52:33,217
distinguish the space between the words. You... You're

1422
00:52:33,217 --> 00:52:35,788
not mentally making each word in your head.

1423
00:52:35,947 --> 00:52:37,461
How is you're just getting a series of

1424
00:52:37,461 --> 00:52:39,612
sound? I always the French at course at

1425
00:52:39,612 --> 00:52:41,228
fifth grade level, but I hear in a

1426
00:52:41,445 --> 00:52:44,255
grade level. Right. Right. That's... Yeah. That's that's

1427
00:52:44,255 --> 00:52:45,375
a great way to think about it. That's

1428
00:52:45,375 --> 00:52:46,414
a great way to think that. When you're

1429
00:52:46,414 --> 00:52:49,135
reading something, you can tell 1 word from

1430
00:52:49,135 --> 00:52:51,306
the next because physically, there's a space. Mh.

1431
00:52:51,624 --> 00:52:54,170
Between the words. Now when when native speakers

1432
00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:56,715
are communicating with each other, we often omit

1433
00:52:56,715 --> 00:52:58,942
that space. Okay. So 1 of the best

1434
00:52:58,942 --> 00:53:00,943
things that you can do is to put

1435
00:53:00,943 --> 00:53:02,056
space between your words.

1436
00:53:02,771 --> 00:53:04,836
Okay? So now I'm gonna say this normally.

1437
00:53:05,393 --> 00:53:05,631
Okay?

1438
00:53:06,425 --> 00:53:07,617
What are you gonna do after work?

1439
00:53:08,348 --> 00:53:10,123
Okay. Now compare that with

1440
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:14,962
what are you going to do after work?

1441
00:53:15,774 --> 00:53:17,603
Now you can hear the difference between those

1442
00:53:17,603 --> 00:53:20,387
2. And the difference, it feels a little

1443
00:53:20,387 --> 00:53:23,423
bit awkward to talk. I sounds 3 because

1444
00:53:23,423 --> 00:53:25,249
we're used to... When we get mad of

1445
00:53:25,249 --> 00:53:27,551
each other. Right native speakers right

1446
00:53:28,265 --> 00:53:29,536
Said, right.

1447
00:53:30,012 --> 00:53:33,212
Excellent point. Excellent point. But what you're a.

1448
00:53:33,372 --> 00:53:34,990
I think put in space

1449
00:53:35,609 --> 00:53:38,619
between your words. And again, it's tough to

1450
00:53:38,739 --> 00:53:40,997
teach yourself to do that, but that really

1451
00:53:41,137 --> 00:53:43,054
helps the other person. If I was gonna

1452
00:53:43,054 --> 00:53:45,931
say, top 2 rules, number 1 smile, number

1453
00:53:45,931 --> 00:53:48,014
2, put space between your words. Mh. If

1454
00:53:48,014 --> 00:53:49,998
you can only remember 2 things, those are

1455
00:53:49,998 --> 00:53:51,982
huge helps to the person that you're trying

1456
00:53:51,982 --> 00:53:53,569
to communicate with. Okay?

1457
00:53:54,458 --> 00:53:55,972
Let me practice it on you. Okay?

1458
00:53:56,768 --> 00:53:58,840
I'm gonna say something naturally as I would

1459
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,035
naturally say it to you. You say it

1460
00:54:00,035 --> 00:54:02,125
back to me with space between the words.

1461
00:54:02,444 --> 00:54:03,005
Okay. Okay.

1462
00:54:04,364 --> 00:54:05,405
What time do you wanna meet?

1463
00:54:06,605 --> 00:54:07,105
What

1464
00:54:07,644 --> 00:54:08,144
time

1465
00:54:08,525 --> 00:54:09,025
do

1466
00:54:09,498 --> 00:54:09,998
you

1467
00:54:10,374 --> 00:54:11,670
want to

1468
00:54:12,126 --> 00:54:14,197
meet. That's it. That's it. And in fact,

1469
00:54:14,754 --> 00:54:17,803
that your listeners can tell you were smiling

1470
00:54:18,512 --> 00:54:20,820
When you said that, you can hear a

1471
00:54:20,820 --> 00:54:22,650
smile. Think about. You can hear when somebody

1472
00:54:22,650 --> 00:54:25,196
smile had film. Okay? That's part of what's

1473
00:54:25,196 --> 00:54:27,265
going on a great fantastic job on that.

1474
00:54:27,678 --> 00:54:30,303
Okay. So rule number 1, smile, Rule number

1475
00:54:30,303 --> 00:54:32,371
2, put space between your world, between your

1476
00:54:32,371 --> 00:54:32,610
words.

1477
00:54:33,326 --> 00:54:34,041
Number 3,

1478
00:54:35,170 --> 00:54:36,465
pronounce the last

1479
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,193
sound of words.

1480
00:54:38,989 --> 00:54:41,947
Okay. In American English we tend to drop

1481
00:54:41,947 --> 00:54:44,094
the final sounds of things, especially in American

1482
00:54:44,253 --> 00:54:47,435
English, especially country singers? Is that effect? Like,

1483
00:54:47,912 --> 00:54:49,922
no week drop the g off of everything,

1484
00:54:50,161 --> 00:54:53,514
Singing. Right. Right. Right. Okay. Good exactly. Good

1485
00:54:53,514 --> 00:54:55,750
example. Good example. So right 1 the 1

1486
00:54:55,909 --> 00:54:57,506
I put down here is I wanna go

1487
00:54:57,506 --> 00:54:57,985
to the park.

1488
00:54:59,035 --> 00:55:00,251
Okay? That

1489
00:55:00,626 --> 00:55:03,092
in park almost always disappears. We tend to

1490
00:55:03,092 --> 00:55:05,557
just kinda stop a sound. Yeah. Okay. And

1491
00:55:05,557 --> 00:55:07,722
so want instead of want? And I want...

1492
00:55:07,962 --> 00:55:11,074
Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So taking the time to

1493
00:55:11,074 --> 00:55:15,637
put those final sounds on words. Thing You

1494
00:55:15,637 --> 00:55:18,748
go right On the plane. It it really

1495
00:55:18,748 --> 00:55:20,901
helps folks out a lot because oftentimes they've

1496
00:55:20,901 --> 00:55:22,257
been exposed to it.

1497
00:55:23,294 --> 00:55:24,671
Students all the time saying

1498
00:55:24,983 --> 00:55:27,210
I mean, class, I can understand my teacher.

1499
00:55:27,449 --> 00:55:28,960
I can understand what's in the book. I

1500
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,552
got in the street and I've got nothing.

1501
00:55:31,029 --> 00:55:31,188
Okay?

1502
00:55:31,919 --> 00:55:33,936
So what we're talking about here again, is

1503
00:55:33,994 --> 00:55:36,629
situations where communication is the goal. There are

1504
00:55:36,629 --> 00:55:37,129
times

1505
00:55:37,746 --> 00:55:39,822
when you're trying to teach somebody something that

1506
00:55:39,822 --> 00:55:41,668
you do wanna use... Slack that you do

1507
00:55:41,668 --> 00:55:44,134
wanna speak naturally normally. I mean, that's the

1508
00:55:44,134 --> 00:55:45,883
eventual goal, but sometimes you're trying to get

1509
00:55:45,883 --> 00:55:47,632
a point across. Sure. So that's what we're

1510
00:55:47,632 --> 00:55:50,018
talking about. And be patient. Be patient. It's

1511
00:55:50,018 --> 00:55:52,021
gotta be on the somewhere. It is. It

1512
00:55:52,021 --> 00:55:55,281
is. Okay. So come back, smile. Number 1,

1513
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:57,746
space between the words, pronounce the last sounds

1514
00:55:57,746 --> 00:55:59,984
of words. That's The next 1, I'd say

1515
00:55:59,984 --> 00:56:02,283
speak in a normal tone of voice. There

1516
00:56:02,283 --> 00:56:04,821
is a tendency for people either to start

1517
00:56:04,821 --> 00:56:06,407
talking louder. Yeah.

1518
00:56:07,058 --> 00:56:08,833
When when they're not effectively

1519
00:56:09,210 --> 00:56:12,237
communicating, that makes the other person uncomfortable. Sure.

1520
00:56:12,397 --> 00:56:13,911
And then we can also kind of baby

1521
00:56:13,911 --> 00:56:16,877
tall people and kind of speak to them

1522
00:56:16,877 --> 00:56:19,052
as if they were children, which is a

1523
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:22,141
insulting to an adult. Absolutely. So maintaining a

1524
00:56:22,141 --> 00:56:25,107
normal and positive tone of voice, carries carries

1525
00:56:25,107 --> 00:56:25,745
a lot of weight.

1526
00:56:26,543 --> 00:56:28,617
And just try to keep track of using

1527
00:56:28,617 --> 00:56:30,931
really basic words and simple grammar.

1528
00:56:31,663 --> 00:56:33,809
Okay. When we're communicating in English,

1529
00:56:34,365 --> 00:56:35,978
we tend to

1530
00:56:36,432 --> 00:56:38,817
say things in very polite ways.

1531
00:56:40,747 --> 00:56:42,765
That are dramatically quite complex

1532
00:56:43,463 --> 00:56:45,620
or we tend to use words that are

1533
00:56:45,620 --> 00:56:46,155
sort of

1534
00:56:46,754 --> 00:56:48,352
so that we can give the impression of

1535
00:56:48,352 --> 00:56:51,628
in of authority or intelligence. And those things

1536
00:56:51,628 --> 00:56:53,226
can be really challenging. So again, I got

1537
00:56:53,226 --> 00:56:54,639
a couple of examples complicated

1538
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,359
to to flesh that out. Okay. So let's

1539
00:56:58,359 --> 00:56:58,839
look at this.

1540
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:01,579
If I was to say to you

1541
00:57:02,449 --> 00:57:03,718
Could I get you to run down in

1542
00:57:03,718 --> 00:57:04,987
the store and pick us up a case

1543
00:57:04,987 --> 00:57:05,463
of coke?

1544
00:57:06,335 --> 00:57:09,032
Okay? This could I get you to?

1545
00:57:10,557 --> 00:57:12,552
Then I makes. Lot of sense to you.

1546
00:57:12,711 --> 00:57:15,104
Yeah. I'm being nice. Yeah. I'm assuming that

1547
00:57:15,184 --> 00:57:17,098
I'm making in position on you and in

1548
00:57:17,098 --> 00:57:20,302
my language. I'm recognizing that. I'm being I'm

1549
00:57:20,302 --> 00:57:21,199
being respectful

1550
00:57:21,731 --> 00:57:24,136
to a language learner that's a very complex

1551
00:57:24,748 --> 00:57:25,700
chunk of words.

1552
00:57:26,256 --> 00:57:28,415
Okay? So again, I Could I get you

1553
00:57:28,415 --> 00:57:30,719
to run down to the run down? Doesn't

1554
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:32,069
make any sense? Could I get you to?

1555
00:57:32,307 --> 00:57:34,373
Doesn't make any sense? Pick pick us up?

1556
00:57:35,184 --> 00:57:37,585
Case there's a lot there's a lot of

1557
00:57:37,585 --> 00:57:40,065
language in there that's difficult to decipher, and

1558
00:57:40,065 --> 00:57:42,085
it's... Most of it's in there because

1559
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:44,239
you're trying to be polite.

1560
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,900
Okay? So now let's compare that to

1561
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:48,820
please go to the store

1562
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:52,087
buy coke. Right. Nobody's total sense. Keep the

1563
00:57:52,087 --> 00:57:53,762
please in there because you still want to

1564
00:57:53,762 --> 00:57:55,697
show that respect to the other person in

1565
00:57:55,835 --> 00:57:58,705
consideration of them, but simplified, not dumb down.

1566
00:57:59,434 --> 00:58:02,128
Simplify get message. Okay. I'm the I giggle

1567
00:58:02,128 --> 00:58:04,743
because I remember being about at my brother,

1568
00:58:05,377 --> 00:58:05,773
when I was.

1569
00:58:06,505 --> 00:58:08,344
Dion young, I'm 7 years younger for the

1570
00:58:08,344 --> 00:58:10,505
older brother. Okay. And he got his ears

1571
00:58:10,505 --> 00:58:12,045
pierced. Okay. And

1572
00:58:12,744 --> 00:58:14,905
it was dinner time, my family sitting on

1573
00:58:14,905 --> 00:58:15,545
the dinner table.

1574
00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:19,311
And I know my brother's ears peers. But

1575
00:58:19,311 --> 00:58:21,307
my parents do not know this. And my

1576
00:58:21,307 --> 00:58:24,681
father glance over at my brother Jeremy, and

1577
00:58:25,231 --> 00:58:27,058
and sort of takes it all in and

1578
00:58:27,058 --> 00:58:27,693
then says,

1579
00:58:28,329 --> 00:58:30,314
I'll never forget this it actually burning my

1580
00:58:30,314 --> 00:58:32,538
brain he said self mutilation for the purposes

1581
00:58:32,538 --> 00:58:35,096
of a dormant is the characteristic of savage

1582
00:58:35,096 --> 00:58:35,494
people.

1583
00:58:37,165 --> 00:58:39,234
That's what he says a mouthful. I know.

1584
00:58:39,552 --> 00:58:41,781
And by when I... When I later re

1585
00:58:41,781 --> 00:58:43,850
told that, my friend say, what is having

1586
00:58:43,850 --> 00:58:46,013
it's it means you shouldn't have got your

1587
00:58:46,013 --> 00:58:46,831
ears pierced

1588
00:58:47,286 --> 00:58:47,445
kids.

1589
00:58:49,035 --> 00:58:52,590
See that. And languages everything. Sure. Sure. Could

1590
00:58:52,709 --> 00:58:54,942
funny. No. That... You're you're you're heading in

1591
00:58:54,942 --> 00:58:57,413
the right direction there. Yeah. Look at your

1592
00:58:57,413 --> 00:59:00,442
message and don't dump it down. Don't baby

1593
00:59:00,442 --> 00:59:01,914
it down. Just

1594
00:59:02,453 --> 00:59:02,693
simplify.

1595
00:59:03,412 --> 00:59:04,371
Simplify the way saying it.

1596
00:59:05,090 --> 00:59:08,046
And then, finally, asking someone if they understand

1597
00:59:08,046 --> 00:59:09,165
is usually pointless,

1598
00:59:09,898 --> 00:59:11,974
asking a language learner if they understand something.

1599
00:59:12,692 --> 00:59:15,487
They are usually so intimidated and so nervous

1600
00:59:15,487 --> 00:59:17,483
about trying to communicate you with you in

1601
00:59:17,483 --> 00:59:18,974
the first place that they're not

1602
00:59:20,051 --> 00:59:21,827
admitting ignorance is culturally

1603
00:59:22,603 --> 00:59:24,039
not cool for a lot of people. What's

1604
00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:24,539
a

1605
00:59:25,155 --> 00:59:26,909
statement no matter who you're saying into anyway.

1606
00:59:27,069 --> 00:59:28,920
Do you understand? Well, you did can be

1607
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,199
very con patronizing. It...

1608
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:34,440
What... What's what's often happening? Honestly, the native

1609
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,648
speaker is often uncomfortable with. Interaction as well.

1610
00:59:38,364 --> 00:59:40,671
Because as a native speaker, I'm not getting

1611
00:59:40,671 --> 00:59:42,819
the kind of feedback that I expect from

1612
00:59:42,819 --> 00:59:43,319
somebody

1613
00:59:43,869 --> 00:59:46,905
just that demonstrates understanding. You so it's natural

1614
00:59:46,905 --> 00:59:48,583
for me to say you understand. And that

1615
00:59:48,583 --> 00:59:50,581
if the person says, yes. I assume do.

1616
00:59:50,981 --> 00:59:52,513
I can tell you from my experience. I

1617
00:59:52,513 --> 00:59:55,805
would never assume that's... That... That's a false

1618
00:59:55,943 --> 00:59:57,938
assumption. Yeah. The person is more likely to

1619
00:59:57,938 --> 01:00:01,307
say yes, because they're exhausted from trying. They're

1620
01:00:01,307 --> 01:00:03,704
afraid. They just wanna nod and smile and

1621
01:00:03,704 --> 01:00:05,702
get out of the interaction, And like... And

1622
01:00:05,702 --> 01:00:07,460
if you're counting on them to operate a

1623
01:00:07,460 --> 01:00:07,940
forklift,

1624
01:00:08,753 --> 01:00:10,747
Now you've got big, big, big problems. Okay?

1625
01:00:10,907 --> 01:00:13,081
So that do you understand there's not really

1626
01:00:13,220 --> 01:00:14,894
all all such a useful way to do

1627
01:00:14,894 --> 01:00:15,054
it.

1628
01:00:16,171 --> 01:00:17,389
If in the forklift

1629
01:00:17,766 --> 01:00:19,859
situation, if this was really crucial, I would

1630
01:00:19,859 --> 01:00:21,780
ask the person to tell me what I

1631
01:00:21,780 --> 01:00:24,760
just told them that allows me to check

1632
01:00:24,820 --> 01:00:27,714
their understanding. It makes Okay. Just that do

1633
01:00:27,714 --> 01:00:29,554
you understand? Doesn't doesn't really do all that

1634
01:00:29,554 --> 01:00:30,994
much. I'm gonna go right back through this

1635
01:00:30,994 --> 01:00:31,554
1 more time.

1636
01:00:32,275 --> 01:00:32,594
Smile,

1637
01:00:33,474 --> 01:00:35,014
put space between your words

1638
01:00:35,967 --> 01:00:37,956
pronounce the last sounds of words,

1639
01:00:38,991 --> 01:00:40,105
normal tone of voice,

1640
01:00:41,378 --> 01:00:42,173
simplified your message,

1641
01:00:43,063 --> 01:00:45,287
and don't bother asking somebody if they're understand.

1642
01:00:45,446 --> 01:00:46,955
Those are some of the practical things that

1643
01:00:46,955 --> 01:00:48,647
you can do to to

1644
01:00:49,338 --> 01:00:52,039
build your side of the bridge in communication

1645
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:52,596
with someone else.

1646
01:00:53,724 --> 01:00:55,712
I do feel like it's valuable for us

1647
01:00:55,712 --> 01:00:58,654
to all share a a native language here

1648
01:00:58,654 --> 01:01:00,165
in the states. I do think that learning

1649
01:01:00,165 --> 01:01:01,094
to speak English is

1650
01:01:01,690 --> 01:01:03,598
you know, we need that common ground. It's

1651
01:01:03,598 --> 01:01:06,141
just it's not practically feasible. I think for

1652
01:01:06,141 --> 01:01:07,594
us to all learn to speak

1653
01:01:08,128 --> 01:01:10,927
tradition Italian wall and you know, all of

1654
01:01:10,927 --> 01:01:12,840
the languages is their present. And I understand

1655
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,196
that. When I was saying that I get

1656
01:01:14,196 --> 01:01:16,269
frustrated by people that say, we you should

1657
01:01:16,269 --> 01:01:18,422
speak English. And I get that. It makes

1658
01:01:18,422 --> 01:01:20,983
sense logistic all I'm saying is people should

1659
01:01:20,983 --> 01:01:23,050
have patience. That's right. And we should be

1660
01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:25,753
part of helping them yeah speaking. Really. If

1661
01:01:25,753 --> 01:01:29,186
you're getting frustrated by your neighborhood bang guy

1662
01:01:29,186 --> 01:01:31,331
because he doesn't understand you asking to take

1663
01:01:31,331 --> 01:01:33,238
your steps in the car. Take 5 minutes

1664
01:01:33,238 --> 01:01:33,714
and say,

1665
01:01:34,429 --> 01:01:37,704
car. Here you go. Dang. Like, walk. Or

1666
01:01:37,704 --> 01:01:40,177
whatever it is. Right Yeah we're all in

1667
01:01:40,177 --> 01:01:43,608
this together. Just be aware of that they

1668
01:01:43,608 --> 01:01:46,488
need learn speak English I don't really disagree

1669
01:01:46,488 --> 01:01:47,782
with that, but realize

1670
01:01:48,393 --> 01:01:51,251
grandma and Grandma, you can't leave them in

1671
01:01:51,489 --> 01:01:53,925
Somalia when everybody came here. They are not

1672
01:01:54,285 --> 01:01:56,684
learn speaking english because of their age and

1673
01:01:56,684 --> 01:01:57,005
unlikely.

1674
01:01:57,644 --> 01:01:59,505
Those that are physically

1675
01:01:59,885 --> 01:02:01,565
capable of learning the language.

1676
01:02:02,698 --> 01:02:03,677
It's not

1677
01:02:04,135 --> 01:02:07,169
an overnight success story take years to get

1678
01:02:07,169 --> 01:02:09,724
really comfortable. So b part... If you're gonna

1679
01:02:09,724 --> 01:02:11,400
insist that people don't to speak the language,

1680
01:02:12,053 --> 01:02:14,380
I think that it's reasonable that we

1681
01:02:14,913 --> 01:02:16,661
become a part of that process to make

1682
01:02:16,661 --> 01:02:18,567
that as easy as possible. There are things

1683
01:02:18,567 --> 01:02:19,997
that you can do to make that easier

1684
01:02:19,997 --> 01:02:22,478
harder be sure. We have a lot of

1685
01:02:22,478 --> 01:02:24,307
people that are not native English speakers here

1686
01:02:24,307 --> 01:02:26,375
in Nashville nashville. For whatever reason. There seems...

1687
01:02:26,853 --> 01:02:28,700
I mean, I I come from Seattle where,

1688
01:02:28,780 --> 01:02:30,694
of course, there's tons of people that are

1689
01:02:30,694 --> 01:02:32,129
not necessarily English speakers.

1690
01:02:33,485 --> 01:02:35,579
But I find it... It's always a nice

1691
01:02:35,638 --> 01:02:38,045
bonding moment when I need somebody and I

1692
01:02:38,045 --> 01:02:39,561
say, tell me how to say this in

1693
01:02:39,561 --> 01:02:41,874
your language. Okay. You what I mean? Because

1694
01:02:41,874 --> 01:02:42,592
said something like...

1695
01:02:43,309 --> 01:02:45,463
I don't know something. Right. They don't know

1696
01:02:45,463 --> 01:02:47,873
something. Right? And we're and I find that

1697
01:02:47,873 --> 01:02:48,613
a nice

1698
01:02:48,992 --> 01:02:49,791
moment. Right.

1699
01:02:50,670 --> 01:02:52,509
Well, it it cast the other person as

1700
01:02:52,509 --> 01:02:55,465
an authority, which as someone adapting to a

1701
01:02:55,465 --> 01:02:57,179
new culture is often

1702
01:02:57,718 --> 01:02:59,715
an experience that they so rarely get to

1703
01:02:59,715 --> 01:03:00,514
do. You know?

1704
01:03:01,233 --> 01:03:02,851
When, you know, the

1705
01:03:03,470 --> 01:03:06,518
when the other person is able to contribute

1706
01:03:06,518 --> 01:03:08,114
in a way that they've... You know, that

1707
01:03:08,114 --> 01:03:10,109
they're comfortable and confident with. That's such a

1708
01:03:10,109 --> 01:03:11,466
big deal to people. I mean,

1709
01:03:12,757 --> 01:03:14,034
just to go to somebody's mike's house and

1710
01:03:14,034 --> 01:03:15,469
they cook a meal for you. It's such

1711
01:03:15,469 --> 01:03:17,564
a big deal for them, I... I benefit

1712
01:03:17,702 --> 01:03:19,058
tremendously because I get to eat all these

1713
01:03:19,058 --> 01:03:21,052
great food, They get to do something for

1714
01:03:21,052 --> 01:03:21,552
me

1715
01:03:22,104 --> 01:03:24,018
And honestly, I I truly believe that's...

1716
01:03:25,054 --> 01:03:27,867
I I really really believe that most folks

1717
01:03:28,324 --> 01:03:30,338
want to become contributors

1718
01:03:31,289 --> 01:03:33,998
They are big time believers in the American

1719
01:03:33,998 --> 01:03:36,708
dream in waves that as native born Americans,

1720
01:03:36,868 --> 01:03:37,186
we can...

1721
01:03:37,984 --> 01:03:39,041
We really can't

1722
01:03:39,914 --> 01:03:41,272
appreciate what a big deal it is.

1723
01:03:42,791 --> 01:03:43,291
I

1724
01:03:45,188 --> 01:03:47,446
I don't think it's crazy to be concerned

1725
01:03:47,666 --> 01:03:48,166
about

1726
01:03:49,514 --> 01:03:50,809
we see terrorism

1727
01:03:51,421 --> 01:03:53,169
a lot in the world today. There's a

1728
01:03:53,169 --> 01:03:54,917
lot of horrible things that are going down

1729
01:03:54,917 --> 01:03:56,506
right now. I don't think it's crazy to

1730
01:03:56,506 --> 01:03:57,380
be concerned about that.

1731
01:03:58,192 --> 01:04:00,104
But I think that when I think about

1732
01:04:00,423 --> 01:04:03,451
Refugees in the Us, broadly speaking, I'm certainly

1733
01:04:03,451 --> 01:04:04,407
not intimidated,

1734
01:04:05,536 --> 01:04:07,598
Gen... My general impressions, these are people who

1735
01:04:07,598 --> 01:04:09,581
want to contribute who want to be part

1736
01:04:09,581 --> 01:04:11,271
of making America.

1737
01:04:12,534 --> 01:04:14,369
Just a a great place to live. You

1738
01:04:14,369 --> 01:04:15,806
know, they want their kids to be okay

1739
01:04:16,045 --> 01:04:17,960
They want their families to be okay. They

1740
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,556
wanna contribute. They wanna get back.

1741
01:04:20,288 --> 01:04:21,582
And they're doing

1742
01:04:22,194 --> 01:04:24,020
most, you know, 9 times out of town.

1743
01:04:24,179 --> 01:04:26,005
They're knocking themselves out, trying to make that

1744
01:04:26,005 --> 01:04:28,388
happen. I saw a video the other day,

1745
01:04:30,311 --> 01:04:32,324
it was a room full of people from

1746
01:04:32,381 --> 01:04:35,168
all over. Mh. That they... And they... The

1747
01:04:35,168 --> 01:04:37,000
video was filmed in Europe. I'm assuming.

1748
01:04:38,368 --> 01:04:40,058
And the panel is

1749
01:04:41,462 --> 01:04:44,001
individually interviewed each person and said,

1750
01:04:44,715 --> 01:04:45,770
is there any particular

1751
01:04:48,544 --> 01:04:49,760
what's the word? And.

1752
01:04:51,090 --> 01:04:53,817
Ethnicity, whatever that you don't like. Okay. Just

1753
01:04:53,969 --> 01:04:55,726
across the board of, and so somebody would

1754
01:04:55,726 --> 01:04:57,402
say, Oh, I don't like the turks or.

1755
01:04:57,881 --> 01:04:59,557
I don't like the Germans or I don't

1756
01:04:59,557 --> 01:05:01,393
like them, whatever. So we went down through

1757
01:05:01,393 --> 01:05:02,910
the line asking these people.

1758
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,184
And then they gave them all the Dna

1759
01:05:06,184 --> 01:05:08,726
tests. Then the tube tube goes off, they

1760
01:05:08,726 --> 01:05:09,361
recon beans.

1761
01:05:10,076 --> 01:05:11,427
And then in front of everyone,

1762
01:05:12,237 --> 01:05:14,941
they came forward. Okay. And their results were

1763
01:05:14,941 --> 01:05:16,452
given and they had to read them aloud

1764
01:05:16,452 --> 01:05:18,543
of what their backgrounds were. And

1765
01:05:18,934 --> 01:05:20,690
inevitably, of course, There were some of that...

1766
01:05:21,409 --> 01:05:24,043
The thing that they hated about whatever the

1767
01:05:24,043 --> 01:05:26,038
the reit, you know? And then the reason

1768
01:05:26,038 --> 01:05:27,257
that they hated whatever

1769
01:05:27,809 --> 01:05:28,763
race or whatever.

1770
01:05:29,797 --> 01:05:30,434
They were.

1771
01:05:30,990 --> 01:05:33,138
Right. And so percentage. Right. And 1 of

1772
01:05:33,138 --> 01:05:34,513
the women interviewed

1773
01:05:34,824 --> 01:05:36,335
and turned out the 2 people in the

1774
01:05:36,335 --> 01:05:38,403
audience for cousins. Wow I didn't even know

1775
01:05:38,403 --> 01:05:40,312
it, and they were from opposite side. 1

1776
01:05:40,312 --> 01:05:41,050
was a

1777
01:05:42,558 --> 01:05:44,156
I think 1 was named Syrian and the

1778
01:05:44,156 --> 01:05:46,553
other 1 was, Israeli. Okay. Yeah. And when

1779
01:05:46,632 --> 01:05:48,710
I went to, like, second cousins like that.

1780
01:05:49,124 --> 01:05:51,918
And, which was a really profound moment for

1781
01:05:51,918 --> 01:05:53,536
them. Sure. And

1782
01:05:54,473 --> 01:05:57,427
anyway, the woman said every human being should

1783
01:05:57,427 --> 01:05:59,755
take this test. Mh. And I got... I

1784
01:05:59,755 --> 01:06:02,225
like, man, Wouldn't that be something? Yeah. Because

1785
01:06:02,225 --> 01:06:04,933
suddenly, these walls, these... That we build in

1786
01:06:04,933 --> 01:06:07,164
our minds Right about why we're better than

1787
01:06:07,164 --> 01:06:08,175
or less than

1788
01:06:09,249 --> 01:06:11,796
would be have to sort of really got

1789
01:06:11,796 --> 01:06:14,184
be cracks as well. It really would. Because

1790
01:06:14,184 --> 01:06:16,750
suddenly, these people that I don't like by

1791
01:06:16,750 --> 01:06:18,429
virtue of no reason other than I don't

1792
01:06:18,429 --> 01:06:19,150
like them. Right.

1793
01:06:19,949 --> 01:06:22,750
Maybe I am them. Right. Because truly, we

1794
01:06:22,750 --> 01:06:23,250
are

1795
01:06:23,721 --> 01:06:25,942
And that... That's the thing that frustrate me

1796
01:06:25,942 --> 01:06:27,077
the most about

1797
01:06:27,847 --> 01:06:30,147
humanity. And my father will always say, you

1798
01:06:30,147 --> 01:06:31,258
know, it's always been this way.

1799
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:33,349
It's just now we know about it because

1800
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:34,789
mass media and all this sort of stuff,

1801
01:06:34,949 --> 01:06:36,869
and I get that, you know, human beings

1802
01:06:36,869 --> 01:06:38,070
are always trying to figure out a way

1803
01:06:38,070 --> 01:06:39,670
to feel better about themselves. And the best

1804
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:41,680
way to do that is to feel worse

1805
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,109
about someone. You know what to make somebody

1806
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:46,287
else like that guy. Upon somebody else for

1807
01:06:46,287 --> 01:06:48,352
interview. Yeah. By this... It really touched me

1808
01:06:48,352 --> 01:06:49,941
to watch that video and to think, yeah,

1809
01:06:50,179 --> 01:06:50,338
man.

1810
01:06:51,068 --> 01:06:52,498
We all just spit a jar and send

1811
01:06:52,498 --> 01:06:54,030
it off to the lab. We

1812
01:06:54,563 --> 01:06:56,072
alright. We're all this same.

1813
01:06:56,866 --> 01:06:58,851
But just some quirky differences here and there.

1814
01:06:59,505 --> 01:07:01,445
Anyway, thank you so much for calling.

1815
01:07:02,385 --> 01:07:03,425
Absolutely. I really appreciate it.

1816
01:07:05,025 --> 01:07:06,864
I'm gonna put links some things up on

1817
01:07:06,864 --> 01:07:09,037
the website. So please send send me an

1818
01:07:09,037 --> 01:07:10,787
email with some things you'd maybe, like people

1819
01:07:10,787 --> 01:07:12,617
to see. I absolutely will do that. Yeah.

1820
01:07:12,935 --> 01:07:14,844
Is there any particular website that you can

1821
01:07:14,844 --> 01:07:16,614
recommend is somebody wants to no more. You

1822
01:07:16,614 --> 01:07:18,212
know, I think if some... If somebody wants

1823
01:07:18,212 --> 01:07:21,109
to know more, avail yourself of an opportunity

1824
01:07:21,248 --> 01:07:21,748
to

1825
01:07:22,207 --> 01:07:24,045
say hello to somebody that you might not.

1826
01:07:24,299 --> 01:07:26,450
Say hello to otherwise. And just start opening

1827
01:07:26,450 --> 01:07:28,623
in those course. That's that's the most powerful

1828
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,151
piece of of this whole puzzle. Awesome. Alright.