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Hey Humans has going

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susan ruth here.

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Yeah.

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This episode really stoked out. I say that

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every time, and every time I'm just blown

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away by the cool people I get to

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talk to.

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In this episode, I I speak with Zach

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Sc,

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he is the founder of Marley Mu. And

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within Marley Mu, he also has other programs

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positive change prison program,

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miracle months, bark and books,

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22 and 22, which is the work he

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does to bring awareness to Veteran Suicide.

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He works with 1 last treats. It's another

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organization. So, Zach of Marley mu.

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He's rescued over 3000 dogs,

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all over the world.

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K. What an exceptional human being

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he

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he said something during our during our conversation.

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He said,

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that he was the exception to the rule

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because

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as an addicts,

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recovering addicts and alcoholic,

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he almost died. He was an end stage

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liver failure.

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His dog Marley

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helped bring him back to life, you know,

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by loving him unconditionally and the way only

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dogs can do

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so he now has a fully functioning liver

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after quitting,

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you know, drinking and drug and and getting

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getting his body back into shape, and

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Marley was there with him every step of

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the way,

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and in gratitude for that, he created this

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foundation Marley months. And now

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he...

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It's hard to explain. I mean, he is

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the exceptional rule. Yes. Because medically,

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he's his body did something that just doesn't

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happen. Livers don't just come back from from

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traumatic of a,

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an event and stage liver failure.

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exception to the rule. And Zach is the

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exceptional rule in many cases because he...

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His programs

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center around

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what society would deem un unbelievable.

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As far as human beings and animals,

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he

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I don't know. I'm I'm really... I'm kind

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of at a lost words. I'm gonna let

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the episode speak for itself, but we reference

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a lot of things in this episode, and

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there are links on hay human podcast dot

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com for all of the foundations and all

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the different programs that, Zach,

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whether he works with them externally or if

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they're within his own foundation.

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So that's on the hay human podcast

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dot com. Also,

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please subscribe on itunes Awesome if you subscribe.

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It helps get the word out. And

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other than that, I think that's that's enough

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business. Let's get to it. Okay. Here we

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go.

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I've been following on Instagram for quite a

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while. I I can hey. Remember how I

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first learned of all the stuff you do.

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Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. I I'm... I'm putting a

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lot more effort in the I instagram these

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days because we wrote the Facebook

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freight train for as long as we could

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and we were getting... We just had so

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much success on Facebook

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and our instagram account got hacked somehow.

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7 or 8000 fans. This is probably your

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so we had to start up another 1,

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and and I just kinda of ignored it.

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I ignored it, but I didn't like, you

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know, it was just so much effort. I

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gotta operate most of these things that I

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I have some help from more option coordinator,

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but, you know, we're we're doing, you know,

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10 posts today and we do it it's

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just exhausting. It's a lot of stuff, especially

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if you kind of being open and trying

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to be original. If only dogs had thumbs,

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they could do it for you.

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When I got pretty funny dogs, like, if

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we've done some like, from Balloons perspective or

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I should do that more often... Because they

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deserve personalities, like, I know their personality pretty

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well, and they they should have more

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Hoo is the 1 that doesn't have a

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tongue. Right? Yeah. Yeah. This is... I have

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a hoo

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I a hoo doll.

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Here. I just dropped off each of my

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dad's house. But this is a. Nice.

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Dean anatomical cracked. If you open its mouth?

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It doesn't have any balls. Oh. That that

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part's correct.

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you can open up the mouth, But it's

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from shelter pubs dot com. Alright. Check this

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this is... Can you see balloon?

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0, there's a balloon.

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Yeah. It's a balloon that looks just like

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a blue then his tongue. See how it

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hangs out here. Yeah. Exactly like what it

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does with his tongue. Oh my gosh. That's

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amazing. His tongue. Where did Bull come from?

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Believe came from

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the Mojave air shelter.

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Okay. Which is a area of Obscure animal

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shelter,

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on the Body Airport in Current County, which

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is the middle of Nowhere.

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And he bit and I'm a patrol officer

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and he bit,

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another person

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after he got out. So he

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kind of multiple

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difficult.

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Yeah. That's kind of your specialty though. Right?

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Is una adaptable dogs?

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So bull, Brazilian mask and then this is

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Maggie.

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An Italian Mas.

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And she comes from from El dad el

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Guard. I'm not unsure if you know what

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he. He's up. Pretty famous dog trap.

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I don't know who that is. What do

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you mean by dog trap?

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He goes and catches his dogs that are

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that are, like, on the run that don't

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know how to be dogs on man that

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are are just,

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kind of on the land and we're in

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trouble or sick where Yeah. Some of them

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are imprisoned in different places. Some of them

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all kinds of different stories. Some of them

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are just really scared

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when they need they they're they've

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experienced a fight fight flight scenario and the

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plea they've flown,

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they they are in full shutdown, you know,

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freight mode. Yeah. They're just like, sc, you

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know, to stay alive and he goes out

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and drops something and

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set them to rescues like us. Oh so

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I had to tell you So clearly, I

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I've been following your work for a long

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time, and I think it's incredible, but

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you... There was there was a video that

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little snippet I'll play it for you. When

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I heard this, I was like, oh, I

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got to have him hey, human because the

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whole point of a human. I'm trying to

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connect

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people

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because I... You... Like, I'm I'm gonna play

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the thing first. And you said... For a

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3 legged. That's pretty impressive. And

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show that any of these dogs can

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do anything.

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Them them labels he's a pickle. He's black.

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He's got 3 legs.

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Really mean nothing any of us are capable

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of anything at any time.

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we stereotype. Let me judge. Let mean pre

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judge.

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We're doing ourselves at a disservice.

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Amen. I mean, I heard that Was, like,

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oh, my god. Exactly.

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Yep. I wanna be... You know, I really

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I really hope to, take the opportunity to

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post and speak for my heart more often.

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You know, I'm a I'm a

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introvert. So I I really don't like being

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Don't like taking videos.

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I do it because I have to, I

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went to 1 health to make this

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organization success.

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So it's just like being in in meetings,

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you know, Of and I'm an addict alcoholic

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and recovery and my my meetings. I still

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get nervous every time I share. Still get

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nervous when or need people.

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a lot of times I don't remember saying

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those things. It's it's what I feel, and

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it's it's inside of me.

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But, you know, sometimes I'll get in a

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comfortable

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kind of groove, and I I can speak,

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stream of consciousness and freely in and it

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all makes sense.

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just... I know your story because I... You

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know, I've been following it. But just further

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people listening who haven't heard the story in

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a nutshell

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throw it at it. Well, if you heard

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do you wanna talk about that statement anymore.

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I mean there's a lot. I do. I

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do because I think it speaks to that

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statement. I mean, you you were in a

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a place where you almost died

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and felt pretty worthless. You you've said in

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the past. And I think

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pretty much if you throw a rock at

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humanity right now. You're gonna hit a person

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that feels that way, You know?

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And we just... We spend all this time

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making each other feel shitty

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you know what I mean? If it's, like,

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through you're giving all this love to these

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beautiful animals who, like for me, my dog

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passed away in January.

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horrible, but it is what it is, and

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he taught me so much about love. And

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what it means to really

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love. I'm unconditionally purely.

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Yeah. I I thought it was a a

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lot of interesting you brought that up because

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it... I I have to remind myself of

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it every day. Think we kind of live

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in a culture that spent so much time

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reminding us that we're supposed to hate 1

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another that we're supposed to not get 1

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1 another. And that we're supposed to think

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certain things of 1 another. And, you know,

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I remember being a kid,

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that my dad always told me the story

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I came

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I came over practice,

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and I told my dad about this kid.

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Was on our team, and he was playing

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third. And he basically stole my position.

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And he's was playing third base. I know

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Was playing left field.

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is how good this kid was and how

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great he was gonna make our team.

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And then my dad didn't see until Than

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the weekend that this kid was black.

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So he always telling me that story because,

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you know, I was very competitive kid, and

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you know, I cared greatly about sports and

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about how I was doing, but

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in that instance, I didn't give a shit

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what color this kid was or though you're

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taking my position because I was... I kept

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thinking about how because we live from Most

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beach is a very small city. So we

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got... We had a very competitive baseball team.

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And if if we have, like, that 1

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little,

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you know, factor, the x factor we could

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go really far, which we ended up doing.

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And

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and he said as reminds me of that

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story, and that's how I felt playing sports

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I've ever felony any division, I've ever following

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in pre judge people. I just people were

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people. And as I've gotten older and as

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we've we've become part of,

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as I become a part of mainstream culture,

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and I'm privy on these things. It's it's

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really depressing.

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You know, we're we're constantly... There's constantly a

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wise driven between us. And,

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I see it more than anything in what

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we've done to the pickle

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And and pit bulls are...

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I mean, I cannot believe and it progressive

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society, like Colorado for Gran. They a dog

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simply because of is muscular structure,

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and a bunch of fear that we are

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going to outlaw,

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a dog also that we basically created this

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is something that human beings over 1000 percent

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responsible before. It's not the dog 12. It's

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not

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it's not

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It is 1000 percent human beings, humankind,

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human powerful for creating for per for training

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for breathing,

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you know, these dogs, and and also, we've

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created, like a scape glove myth about the

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dogs so that we don't have to take

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responsibility for it. It's so much easier to

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come up with the with escape then actually

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be responsible for what we've done in that

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that that knee jerk kind of a immature

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reaction is

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they are pit bulls. They are this way.

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They are some sort of fixed

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concrete way that's they you... They can't be

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fixed. There's no hope. You know, they take

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the hope out of it. They take the

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the love out of it. And and I...

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And we have

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liberal hippie

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literally liberal hippie

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reverting back to, like, fascist,

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racism. It's bog my mind. Yeah. I just

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it's I can't process that. It's weird to

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think that, you know, there are people that

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breed violence in a dog,

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and the dog does something based on what

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human does. It's like the gun thing or

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people say, oh, well, Guns don't kill people

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people kill people. Will people train the pip

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to be fighters,

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but I've meant lovely pip that are sweet

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as we can be. People are dick.

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Pip have a...

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Just like any dog has an ability, you

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know,

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German shepherd are protection dogs and

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then cattle dogs can herd Cattle and

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sheep dogs hurt sheep and p, protect herd

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and and massive guard fences and and hip

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bull's flight. Mean, that's what we... That's what

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human beings created couples to do is be

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good at fighting.

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And amongst a lot of other things. But

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they have that ability in then... What it

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doesn't mean that that's their

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default frequency

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pip and that's what

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That's where we have to understand dog psychology.

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It's when we have to take the time

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to understand dogs psychology. We take a lot

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of time to understand, you know, in child

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in in human psychology,

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take, but we then just answer more files

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and apply all of those ideals to

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dogs, and we don't even give them the

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respect to that, we treat them like children,

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like mentally

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deficient children,

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where we just come at them with a

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high pitched voice and,

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you know, a really sympathetic tone, which does

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nothing but ex zoo

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weakness, which is not something dogs respond well

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too. So just the whole way we approach

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dogs, I think in general is is is

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inaccurate. Is is is unhealthy.

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But when you... When when a person goes

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out an 11 says, something like that. Some

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people hear this guy is telling me not

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to let my dog.

385
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That's not at all I'm saying. I'm just...

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I... I'm trying to have people better understand

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their dogs so that they can love them

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better. And that's so they can take their

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people to a dog park. And so that

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they can take their pickle, let you know,

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on the strand for a walk, and they'll

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have to be so tense and not have

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to be so

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so worried and nervous

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fear controls everything in this world so much

396
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of this will not everything. We we combat

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it with love, but not often enough. And

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and right now, we're in a period of

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time where fear is

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is unfortunately plaguing our society in in aspects,

401
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including how we get with dogs.

402
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You know, and then printed pip in particular,

403
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you know,

404
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there's always been a scape going. And you

405
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throughout the humankind, there's always been scape. You

406
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know, in, like, the

407
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the eighties it was a the do main,

408
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and then it was the Ra.

409
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You know, those were the terrible bad dogs.

410
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Right? And then now it's good football. Yeah.

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So who knows, but it'll be there. You

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know. It'll be the Cane Cor in in

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20 20 years ago. Did people try to

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outlaw

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Rot?

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Did they do that? I didn't think that

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that went that far with Rot?

418
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Oh, I don't know. I just know I

419
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just remember I I remember

420
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viewing Rot And don't... That's the bad dog.

421
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Hell House.

422
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Very bad dogs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I

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have... Like, Marley is a wrong 1 pit.

424
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I have notch as a pit bull hex

425
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bull.

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Bag is a cane course so. But believe

427
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as AII

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have all these bad dogs.

429
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And they all get along. Right??

430
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And they all get along just fine.

431
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Yeah. They're all good. You're the alpha. You're

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their alpha.

433
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Right? You're the lead dog.

434
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I mean, sure a circuit Great. You know,

435
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they're there there's a degree for... They have

436
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to listen me, and and I have to

437
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maintain, do my best to maintain

438
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calm confidence, you know, or else they're,

439
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you know, they're they're gonna take matters into

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their own hands and and, Jo you for

441
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position and and orient themselves accordingly,

442
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if I don't want that to happen. And

443
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if I don't want the natural course of

444
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things to play out with dogs, which is

445
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which can be sometimes if they're having some

446
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sort of they're trying to establish their dominance.

447
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Then, yeah. I mean, I I need to

448
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that's why walking dogs is so powerful.

449
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Walking dogs is. It's such a...

450
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It can be a meditation every time you

451
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do it If you take time to center

452
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yourself

453
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think about where you are

454
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and adjust yourself accordingly.

455
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Because if you go and walk and you

456
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and your pissed

457
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irritable

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discontent, hungry,

459
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angry, whatever, it will it will chat through

460
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the lease, and you're you're vibe that you're

461
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giving enough is gonna affect the dog and

462
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you're gonna have a terrible time. You know,

463
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notch, for instance is a a very

464
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powerful he's a hundred someone pound that that

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we got from a pointing situation in.

466
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He... If I'm not centered,

467
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then he's just gonna pull the whole time.

468
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He's gonna go after chip wrong gonna do

469
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whatever.

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But if I'm center, he sits right on

471
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my side and I dropped the leash,

472
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and he's does not leave my side and

473
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and we crews. And I don't have to

474
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hold the leash. But the the difference is

475
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is so pal.

476
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It's it's funny. And Caesar you always thought

477
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about that. Something that... The other thing that

478
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people like think is some sort of like,

479
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who. So We've got,

480
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you know,

481
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bullshit jumbo, but it really is true view.

482
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If there's proper intention behind your commands what

483
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you're trying to accomplish rather than anger. Yeah.

484
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You Mike Mike, my dog use a

485
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chihuahua Docks Jack Russell mix, and he was

486
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a rescue

487
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and came out of a weird situation, and

488
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I got him when he was got 7

489
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months old.

490
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And it's funny. I had him for, you

491
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know, 10 years, and he was with me

492
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constant

493
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companion with me. And Sure. I mean, we

494
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went on road trips. We flew together. We

495
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went everywhere. He went with me every every

496
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everything.

497
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And people would always say, oh, he's so

498
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mellow. He's so chill. I'm like, ask that

499
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mellow and Chill, You know, dogs will be,

500
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like their people.

501
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If you're

502
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drugs.

503
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Yeah

504
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I'm drag him real good. So the people

505
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you were

506
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you were drawn to because they're the sort

507
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of the throw away dog everyone's. Yeah.

508
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It was kind of a, you know, Marley

509
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my my dog was a... Is a pickle.

510
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He's a rot pip and.

511
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He was my first... Like, he in tug

512
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was 1 my 2

513
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original dogs. You look at my dad's house

514
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and like, the retiree.

515
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My dad's not retired yet, but that's where

516
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the the retired dogs gonna go to drive

517
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and drink wine and watch Tv.

518
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And,

519
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yeah. There's was just something so special about

520
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that dog. And and he wasn't malicious at

521
00:19:12,407 --> 00:19:14,716
all, But wherever Taking people with flinch and

522
00:19:14,716 --> 00:19:16,627
then pulled their kids up and. You know.

523
00:19:16,945 --> 00:19:18,697
But and even what happened when I started

524
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adding dogs my pack was Marley...

525
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If there was any sort of per participation,

526
00:19:24,041 --> 00:19:25,949
and any me sort of with the energy,

527
00:19:26,029 --> 00:19:28,852
you know, flare like this, he would react

528
00:19:29,070 --> 00:19:30,367
and bring it back down

529
00:19:30,984 --> 00:19:32,260
blow. He wouldn't fight.

530
00:19:32,898 --> 00:19:34,972
He would, I remember watching it barrel into

531
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2 dogs that were fighting 2 big dogs.

532
00:19:37,460 --> 00:19:39,140
And, yes. So there'd be this, you know

533
00:19:39,140 --> 00:19:40,740
2 dogs or me sniffing each other out,

534
00:19:40,900 --> 00:19:42,419
and there'd be something that would set them

535
00:19:42,419 --> 00:19:45,460
off. And Marley would blog Russian. And he

536
00:19:45,460 --> 00:19:45,960
basically

537
00:19:46,274 --> 00:19:48,268
hon each dog until they got back in

538
00:19:48,268 --> 00:19:51,060
line and we're were mellow. Wow. And I

539
00:19:51,060 --> 00:19:52,735
just... I love that about him and he

540
00:19:52,735 --> 00:19:53,873
was just that the cons

541
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peace

542
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He just wanted things to be mellow and

543
00:19:58,579 --> 00:19:58,900
chill,

544
00:19:59,619 --> 00:20:01,299
and he's just so good with kids and

545
00:20:01,299 --> 00:20:03,220
so good with people. And and, yeah. I

546
00:20:03,220 --> 00:20:04,200
mean, there there are

547
00:20:04,753 --> 00:20:07,702
Marley is your quintessential American chelsea dog. He

548
00:20:07,702 --> 00:20:08,442
looks like

549
00:20:09,137 --> 00:20:10,811
75 percent of the dogs in the shelter.

550
00:20:11,050 --> 00:20:12,539
He's a short haired

551
00:20:12,898 --> 00:20:14,015
multi color pit,

552
00:20:14,892 --> 00:20:15,131
you,

553
00:20:16,088 --> 00:20:17,204
75 80 pounds.

554
00:20:17,842 --> 00:20:20,873
And, you, as heaviest is probably 90. But

555
00:20:21,924 --> 00:20:24,239
Yeah. You know and and and people don't

556
00:20:24,239 --> 00:20:25,756
take a chance on those dogs, you know?

557
00:20:25,916 --> 00:20:26,794
And and

558
00:20:28,311 --> 00:20:29,907
yeah. Even more so in recovery, you know,

559
00:20:30,147 --> 00:20:31,160
doc dogs are a lot

560
00:20:31,916 --> 00:20:33,509
shelter dogs are a lot like people in

561
00:20:33,509 --> 00:20:33,828
recovery.

562
00:20:35,102 --> 00:20:36,855
You know, they've kind of been cast aside.

563
00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:39,722
They're at a at a particular stage of

564
00:20:39,722 --> 00:20:40,120
hopelessness,

565
00:20:41,253 --> 00:20:43,570
and they need something very, very special to

566
00:20:44,449 --> 00:20:45,888
to get them out of it. And and

567
00:20:45,888 --> 00:20:47,246
then they also need rules,

568
00:20:48,045 --> 00:20:48,339
boundary

569
00:20:48,937 --> 00:20:49,814
limitations, affection,

570
00:20:50,452 --> 00:20:50,771
and

571
00:20:51,409 --> 00:20:53,721
you know, exercise and guidance, you know all

572
00:20:53,721 --> 00:20:54,677
this... All the things,

573
00:20:55,474 --> 00:20:56,431
shelter dogs need,

574
00:20:57,083 --> 00:21:00,280
in order to thrive as dogs as as

575
00:21:00,970 --> 00:21:03,825
companions has the same things that addicts and

576
00:21:03,825 --> 00:21:05,069
alcoholic people in recovery need

577
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:08,230
You know. So that's why I related so

578
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:10,149
much to him. We kinda just grew together.

579
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:10,869
And

580
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:13,509
and but just... I and like you said

581
00:21:13,509 --> 00:21:16,095
about your dog taught me so much about

582
00:21:16,706 --> 00:21:19,643
about unconditional love, and and just being cool

583
00:21:19,643 --> 00:21:21,492
with things. I... You know, I have a,

584
00:21:21,945 --> 00:21:23,269
I had a long memory when it came

585
00:21:23,470 --> 00:21:25,710
to keeping some resentment and

586
00:21:27,390 --> 00:21:29,630
being pitiful. I I felt pitiful often. I

587
00:21:29,630 --> 00:21:32,325
told sorry for myself. You know, because I

588
00:21:32,523 --> 00:21:34,273
felt sorry that I hated myself so much,

589
00:21:34,512 --> 00:21:35,944
and III

590
00:21:35,944 --> 00:21:38,489
saw my dogs and my dogs. 100 percent

591
00:21:38,489 --> 00:21:40,734
didn't have any myself. And... Issues. Yeah. You

592
00:21:40,734 --> 00:21:42,328
look fall in the morning, be,

593
00:21:43,524 --> 00:21:44,024
yeah

594
00:21:45,277 --> 00:21:47,111
just a pit what is the black pit.

595
00:21:48,323 --> 00:21:49,522
Mister the black pitt,

596
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:50,960
you know,

597
00:21:51,839 --> 00:21:54,236
not I, I had the deck act against

598
00:21:54,236 --> 00:21:54,475
me.

599
00:21:55,208 --> 00:21:57,275
Know, he call for any reasons why the

600
00:21:57,275 --> 00:21:59,423
day should suck. He was every day was

601
00:21:59,423 --> 00:21:59,979
gonna be red,

602
00:22:00,615 --> 00:22:02,842
and or he was gonna map whatever.

603
00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:05,796
You know, Either way, was his solid day.

604
00:22:06,272 --> 00:22:08,595
But, you know, if he convinced me to

605
00:22:09,205 --> 00:22:10,632
to take him on go do some time

606
00:22:10,632 --> 00:22:12,480
then he done an extra special day and

607
00:22:14,066 --> 00:22:15,581
yeah. I know. You just told me... And

608
00:22:15,581 --> 00:22:16,698
you told me Love myself,

609
00:22:17,656 --> 00:22:19,411
because I had very difficult time doing that.

610
00:22:20,702 --> 00:22:21,976
I don't know. If you wanna segue when

611
00:22:21,976 --> 00:22:23,888
into my story. I can start talking about

612
00:22:23,888 --> 00:22:25,481
that. Yeah. I feel like I talked too

613
00:22:25,481 --> 00:22:26,836
much. No. It's great.

614
00:22:28,287 --> 00:22:29,804
That's the whole point of a podcast.

615
00:22:30,522 --> 00:22:30,761
Conversation.

616
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,076
Yeah. I suppose So I just know why

617
00:22:33,076 --> 00:22:35,232
don't wanna dominate it. I I would like

618
00:22:35,232 --> 00:22:36,030
you to dominate it.

619
00:22:37,318 --> 00:22:39,624
So, yeah, I got diagnosed with with end

620
00:22:39,624 --> 00:22:40,760
stage liver disease

621
00:22:41,214 --> 00:22:41,714
and

622
00:22:42,088 --> 00:22:42,827
in the

623
00:22:43,837 --> 00:22:45,689
late winter early spring of

624
00:22:46,079 --> 00:22:46,795
2008.

625
00:22:47,431 --> 00:22:49,658
So my liver failed, and well, a lot

626
00:22:49,658 --> 00:22:51,806
of things started happening to me, my started

627
00:22:51,806 --> 00:22:52,681
started to get real big.

628
00:22:53,332 --> 00:22:54,842
Started to bleed out of both ends,

629
00:22:56,193 --> 00:22:57,306
started to turn yellow,

630
00:22:58,022 --> 00:22:58,522
and

631
00:22:59,134 --> 00:23:01,598
I didn't stop drinking. I started I drank

632
00:23:01,598 --> 00:23:03,529
more as matter fact. And I just ignored

633
00:23:03,529 --> 00:23:04,890
it as long as possible until.

634
00:23:06,250 --> 00:23:08,089
I got having get checked in into the

635
00:23:08,089 --> 00:23:09,710
hospital for long term

636
00:23:10,009 --> 00:23:11,862
care because I was you know, I was

637
00:23:11,862 --> 00:23:14,491
dying liver failure. G... Very reverse. You said

638
00:23:14,491 --> 00:23:15,948
that you could see yourself

639
00:23:16,483 --> 00:23:18,236
getting like that where you just throw us

640
00:23:18,236 --> 00:23:20,467
stage like, well, I'm already here. Might as

641
00:23:20,467 --> 00:23:21,837
well just kinda keep going?

642
00:23:22,633 --> 00:23:24,067
Alright. You know what I mean? I was

643
00:23:24,226 --> 00:23:26,218
I just... Yeah. Yeah. Didn't care face it.

644
00:23:26,377 --> 00:23:28,449
Well, I couldn't face it. I went to

645
00:23:28,449 --> 00:23:30,575
the hospital. Alright. Sorry. Went to the doctor

646
00:23:30,773 --> 00:23:32,913
they taken blood, and my doctor sent to

647
00:23:32,913 --> 00:23:33,071
me

648
00:23:34,339 --> 00:23:36,028
he sent me down. He looks at my

649
00:23:36,479 --> 00:23:38,556
and my my blood test is me. It

650
00:23:38,556 --> 00:23:39,748
looks like all the main immunization.

651
00:23:41,575 --> 00:23:42,790
You need to go to the hospital.

652
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,810
And I know what you talking about?

653
00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:49,853
You're very sick, and you need to go

654
00:23:49,853 --> 00:23:52,475
to hospital. And as just looked at him

655
00:23:52,475 --> 00:23:53,031
and I like,

656
00:23:54,397 --> 00:23:56,145
You know, Maybe I was just... Because... I

657
00:23:56,145 --> 00:23:57,814
have real drunk last night. Maybe that's why.

658
00:23:58,052 --> 00:24:00,118
Like, you sure that I pretty hard.

659
00:24:00,516 --> 00:24:02,661
No. These are blood blood tests.

660
00:24:03,554 --> 00:24:05,152
Not something that would've have been from, you

661
00:24:05,152 --> 00:24:08,189
know, 1 drone. You're... Every 1 of your

662
00:24:08,189 --> 00:24:09,249
numbers is elevated.

663
00:24:10,027 --> 00:24:11,785
And, you're failure

664
00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:12,920
At.

665
00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:15,240
And I got better and going out to

666
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,000
my dad, and and I'd be using the

667
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:17,240
car.

668
00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:19,640
I told them, you know, just gonna come

669
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,411
back on on the extended Pm.

670
00:24:22,049 --> 00:24:22,447
And

671
00:24:23,005 --> 00:24:24,860
and, you, they she'll only drink with

672
00:24:25,635 --> 00:24:28,266
with dinner. I didn't call anything about my

673
00:24:28,266 --> 00:24:30,191
liver. I like I said something about my

674
00:24:30,191 --> 00:24:30,509
kidneys.

675
00:24:31,305 --> 00:24:33,294
I don't know. I don't remember. But I...

676
00:24:33,613 --> 00:24:35,227
I couldn't face it. I just had this

677
00:24:35,602 --> 00:24:36,055
overwhelming

678
00:24:36,891 --> 00:24:39,600
fear of on facing life sober.

679
00:24:40,795 --> 00:24:42,228
And that's what happened when you're physically addicted.

680
00:24:42,547 --> 00:24:44,640
I gone through of withdrawals going before, and

681
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,279
it's the worst thing you can imagine. So

682
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:48,740
once you've gotta taste the physical

683
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,640
withdraws from novel, you just don't wanna ever

684
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,725
do it again. And I couldn't imagine, you

685
00:24:52,725 --> 00:24:54,231
know, there was just no... Had no I

686
00:24:54,231 --> 00:24:56,450
get any. I had... I could not be

687
00:24:56,450 --> 00:24:58,907
myself without alcohol. There was just no b.

688
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,279
Without alcohol the drugs, You know, III didn't

689
00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:03,000
know how to be...

690
00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:05,799
I hadn't been myself in so long. It

691
00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:06,460
was just

692
00:25:06,854 --> 00:25:09,409
whatever I thought that the intense fear start

693
00:25:09,409 --> 00:25:10,047
to bubble up.

694
00:25:11,564 --> 00:25:13,879
I I drank. Not the only thing that

695
00:25:13,879 --> 00:25:15,635
kept it suppressed, you know, if I didn't

696
00:25:15,635 --> 00:25:18,275
drink then then it got to surface. And

697
00:25:18,275 --> 00:25:19,569
and and

698
00:25:20,261 --> 00:25:22,485
that was a base... Basically, like, operating at

699
00:25:22,485 --> 00:25:24,684
level of panic attack or all times I

700
00:25:24,883 --> 00:25:25,915
handle that. Yeah.

701
00:25:26,948 --> 00:25:27,448
So

702
00:25:29,012 --> 00:25:30,521
yeah. I went to the hospital. They kept

703
00:25:30,521 --> 00:25:31,236
me there for

704
00:25:32,506 --> 00:25:33,062
almost 2 months.

705
00:25:35,222 --> 00:25:35,961
A sicker

706
00:25:36,574 --> 00:25:38,187
and I got addicted to

707
00:25:38,641 --> 00:25:39,380
penny medicine

708
00:25:39,754 --> 00:25:41,901
the hospital. And then finally, my family just

709
00:25:41,901 --> 00:25:43,509
broke out of hospital, and I got a...

710
00:25:43,748 --> 00:25:46,138
Like, they got me an appointment at Cedar

711
00:25:46,218 --> 00:25:48,130
Sinai, which is 1 of the 7 hospitals

712
00:25:48,130 --> 00:25:49,166
that does Liver transplant.

713
00:25:50,059 --> 00:25:52,779
I got an interview with Comprehensive Transplant program,

714
00:25:53,660 --> 00:25:55,759
doctor Tran Tran, then she

715
00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:57,660
admitted me to the program.

716
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:59,130
Which

717
00:25:59,664 --> 00:26:01,971
basically exists to keep people who are in

718
00:26:01,971 --> 00:26:02,926
liver failure alive,

719
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,065
through different you know, through

720
00:26:06,679 --> 00:26:07,554
check ups through,

721
00:26:08,985 --> 00:26:09,701
medication management,

722
00:26:10,337 --> 00:26:12,246
through other means by which because mostly people

723
00:26:12,246 --> 00:26:14,328
with hepatitis c is a viral condition.

724
00:26:15,283 --> 00:26:17,590
Acute alcoholic hepatitis is different.

725
00:26:19,101 --> 00:26:19,419
And

726
00:26:20,056 --> 00:26:21,658
and need just she she just said, go

727
00:26:21,658 --> 00:26:22,530
home and and wait,

728
00:26:24,037 --> 00:26:26,020
you know, stay close to an emergency room

729
00:26:26,020 --> 00:26:27,845
and and try to get your 6 months

730
00:26:27,845 --> 00:26:29,631
sober because you need to deliver for transplant.

731
00:26:30,324 --> 00:26:32,074
Only thing that's gonna help you. So I

732
00:26:32,074 --> 00:26:33,585
was gonna save your life. I think I

733
00:26:33,585 --> 00:26:36,702
had a 85 percent chance dying within 30

734
00:26:36,702 --> 00:26:36,941
days.

735
00:26:37,577 --> 00:26:39,168
We're not a liver transplant. So I mean,

736
00:26:39,248 --> 00:26:42,271
I was I'm morally ill. Mh.

737
00:26:43,872 --> 00:26:45,378
And then I... You know, I I went

738
00:26:45,378 --> 00:26:47,201
home and that were terrible. I had to

739
00:26:47,201 --> 00:26:49,342
go through a pay withdrawal. And I went

740
00:26:49,342 --> 00:26:51,340
to hospital bunch times I I'm was dope

741
00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:53,878
sick, and it was all fucking awful thing.

742
00:26:54,116 --> 00:26:55,703
Were you not drinking at that place?

743
00:26:57,464 --> 00:26:59,305
No. No. I was just better. I couldn't

744
00:26:59,305 --> 00:26:59,865
get bed.

745
00:27:00,585 --> 00:27:03,464
I was just shitting myself and vomiting blood

746
00:27:03,464 --> 00:27:04,664
and it was terrible.

747
00:27:06,992 --> 00:27:07,492
And,

748
00:27:08,186 --> 00:27:09,700
yeah. I started to get a little bit

749
00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:11,792
better. I started to walk my dogs. I

750
00:27:11,850 --> 00:27:14,055
1 day, finally, my dogs just every morning

751
00:27:14,174 --> 00:27:16,008
look at me, lane. Whatever we gotta do

752
00:27:16,008 --> 00:27:18,241
today, you know, is the your... By the

753
00:27:18,241 --> 00:27:19,220
way, the sexiest

754
00:27:19,596 --> 00:27:21,351
thing on the planet. You look at me

755
00:27:21,351 --> 00:27:23,127
mean, hear the great the greene

756
00:27:23,757 --> 00:27:26,142
here's just so good. And I'm looking at

757
00:27:26,142 --> 00:27:28,129
like don't look at me. You know, don't

758
00:27:28,129 --> 00:27:28,526
look at me,

759
00:27:30,673 --> 00:27:32,920
you know, I'm terrible I'm waffle. I just

760
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,734
have this deep seated itself loading. I'm so

761
00:27:36,191 --> 00:27:36,691
pitiful

762
00:27:37,069 --> 00:27:38,048
and like, constant

763
00:27:38,426 --> 00:27:39,479
constant simple and like...

764
00:27:40,358 --> 00:27:40,678
And

765
00:27:41,796 --> 00:27:43,474
yeah know, I finally kinda bought just gave

766
00:27:43,474 --> 00:27:46,112
in and started walking my dogs and started

767
00:27:46,112 --> 00:27:47,870
journal and started going to meetings all the

768
00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:47,950
time.

769
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,876
Yeah. I had my first... How all time

770
00:27:51,876 --> 00:27:52,755
being in the hospital,

771
00:27:53,233 --> 00:27:55,149
which was terrific. You know I gave us

772
00:27:55,309 --> 00:27:56,347
That was the first thing you gave us

773
00:27:56,347 --> 00:27:56,746
some hope.

774
00:27:57,639 --> 00:27:57,958
And

775
00:27:59,392 --> 00:28:01,464
yeah. Then, I I drank again, like, a

776
00:28:01,464 --> 00:28:03,616
year of month that forgot hospital. I just

777
00:28:03,616 --> 00:28:04,572
started to get a little bit better.

778
00:28:05,780 --> 00:28:05,938
And,

779
00:28:07,207 --> 00:28:08,396
yeah. I don't know what It was. I

780
00:28:08,396 --> 00:28:10,299
wasn't sleeping, and I was still really sick.

781
00:28:10,774 --> 00:28:12,146
I'm was still yellow and

782
00:28:13,408 --> 00:28:15,801
I just shouldn't... I couldn't handle it. You

783
00:28:15,801 --> 00:28:16,678
know, I I couldn't...

784
00:28:17,795 --> 00:28:17,954
I...

785
00:28:18,912 --> 00:28:21,065
People looked at me funny because the way

786
00:28:21,145 --> 00:28:22,123
I loved, and

787
00:28:22,501 --> 00:28:24,113
I wasn't sleeping, and I didn't know how

788
00:28:24,113 --> 00:28:25,711
to be me, and I was scared of

789
00:28:25,711 --> 00:28:27,729
people, places and things, and I

790
00:28:28,428 --> 00:28:30,106
I just didn't know how to to how

791
00:28:30,106 --> 00:28:31,878
to do it. So I drank again I

792
00:28:31,878 --> 00:28:33,075
had to tell my I my dad got

793
00:28:33,075 --> 00:28:34,512
back from Brazil. He was going for 2

794
00:28:34,512 --> 00:28:37,305
days. I found back the spirit set of

795
00:28:37,305 --> 00:28:38,023
keys in the truck,

796
00:28:38,661 --> 00:28:40,673
drove and guy I remember a bottom of

797
00:28:40,673 --> 00:28:40,993
the line,

798
00:28:41,712 --> 00:28:43,071
and then I blacked out, which I don't

799
00:28:43,071 --> 00:28:44,429
ever do, but if I can drink a

800
00:28:44,429 --> 00:28:46,187
lot out on blackout out. Yeah.

801
00:28:47,067 --> 00:28:48,905
Then I woke up 2 days later.

802
00:28:49,636 --> 00:28:51,545
And there was mar wine everywhere. I don't

803
00:28:51,545 --> 00:28:52,341
know how I got it.

804
00:28:54,329 --> 00:28:55,443
And he was gonna be there in, like,

805
00:28:55,522 --> 00:28:56,055
4 hours

806
00:28:56,575 --> 00:28:58,015
and I had to go walk over somebody

807
00:28:58,015 --> 00:28:59,455
got back, and I I told her him

808
00:28:59,455 --> 00:29:00,654
I said we gotta go to hospital.

809
00:29:01,535 --> 00:29:02,095
And he said,

810
00:29:02,894 --> 00:29:04,584
what do you mean? And I said, we

811
00:29:04,584 --> 00:29:06,414
got to the hospital. I drank again,

812
00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:08,800
and he looked up at me, and he

813
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,471
didn't believe me He just was, like, you

814
00:29:10,471 --> 00:29:11,602
know, away left.

815
00:29:12,241 --> 00:29:13,837
And I said we have to go all,

816
00:29:13,997 --> 00:29:15,433
I took my glasses on. I had my

817
00:29:15,433 --> 00:29:17,987
glasses on. And I took my glasses off

818
00:29:17,987 --> 00:29:19,046
and he could see

819
00:29:19,438 --> 00:29:20,236
Gather my eyes were.

820
00:29:20,954 --> 00:29:23,027
And so he knew right then, and and

821
00:29:23,027 --> 00:29:24,702
he just started crying, and he just said,

822
00:29:25,260 --> 00:29:27,493
you killed herself. He killed herself. He he

823
00:29:27,493 --> 00:29:29,501
killed herself. He just got repeating. And

824
00:29:30,776 --> 00:29:32,289
and then he was like fuck you. Not

825
00:29:32,289 --> 00:29:34,041
taking you that hospital. He was like, fuck

826
00:29:34,041 --> 00:29:35,634
you. You wanted to kill yourself. Kill yourself.

827
00:29:35,793 --> 00:29:35,952
Yep.

828
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:38,599
And

829
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,599
that was the last time I day.

830
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:41,960
Wow.

831
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:43,799
And

832
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,575
and and then I kinda of just became

833
00:29:47,332 --> 00:29:49,404
obsessed with trying to get better when obsessed

834
00:29:49,404 --> 00:29:49,904
with

835
00:29:50,361 --> 00:29:51,317
exercising, and

836
00:29:52,354 --> 00:29:54,267
and just walking, I couldn't exercise where I

837
00:29:54,267 --> 00:29:56,759
could just walk and then walking turned into

838
00:29:56,759 --> 00:29:59,660
running and running turned into exercising, and

839
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:02,119
just trying to eat right and just trying

840
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:03,079
to survive, you know?

841
00:30:04,294 --> 00:30:05,734
And then I... My numbers is starting to

842
00:30:05,734 --> 00:30:07,595
get slightly better, and I became

843
00:30:07,974 --> 00:30:08,934
healthy enough to

844
00:30:09,575 --> 00:30:11,174
not need a liver transplant anymore.

845
00:30:12,629 --> 00:30:12,949
So,

846
00:30:14,067 --> 00:30:16,384
now I'm still a transplant patient and once

847
00:30:16,384 --> 00:30:18,163
you're in stage once you've

848
00:30:18,861 --> 00:30:20,872
been that sick. Once windshield whoever's that call

849
00:30:20,872 --> 00:30:22,304
them Because you're always

850
00:30:22,782 --> 00:30:24,770
a transplant patient. Because usually, you you die

851
00:30:24,770 --> 00:30:28,365
or you transplant. Yeah. So, you, the exception

852
00:30:28,365 --> 00:30:28,683
tool.

853
00:30:30,434 --> 00:30:32,105
So, yeah. That's where I stand now is

854
00:30:32,105 --> 00:30:33,321
on the on the liver

855
00:30:33,856 --> 00:30:36,098
patient in good standing. Anything happens to me

856
00:30:36,098 --> 00:30:38,564
if I get sick I'm I'm good standing

857
00:30:38,564 --> 00:30:40,257
to receive help and

858
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:41,587
all those work.

859
00:30:43,589 --> 00:30:45,575
Wow. That's a hell of a story, man.

860
00:30:46,688 --> 00:30:47,006
Yeah.

861
00:30:51,549 --> 00:30:54,035
You must feel like a completely different

862
00:30:54,488 --> 00:30:56,656
person that has this other person

863
00:30:57,268 --> 00:30:58,300
in the, you know?

864
00:30:59,587 --> 00:31:01,100
Gonna be you cut out there for. Oh,

865
00:31:01,259 --> 00:31:03,011
I've said to feel like you know, you're

866
00:31:03,011 --> 00:31:05,081
this other person now, but you have that

867
00:31:05,081 --> 00:31:07,071
person still in you. It's always in you'll

868
00:31:07,071 --> 00:31:08,919
always in you. It's always a part of

869
00:31:08,919 --> 00:31:09,158
you.

870
00:31:09,795 --> 00:31:12,287
But Yeah. You know, that it's quell

871
00:31:14,656 --> 00:31:16,568
and this Yeah. It keeps me relatable. It's

872
00:31:16,568 --> 00:31:18,676
1 thing because I work so many alcoholic

873
00:31:19,132 --> 00:31:20,964
and drug addicts that it that that that

874
00:31:20,964 --> 00:31:21,623
is definitely

875
00:31:22,398 --> 00:31:23,832
always at the surface.

876
00:31:24,548 --> 00:31:26,142
You know, It's always just beneath the surface.

877
00:31:27,355 --> 00:31:29,694
Being able to relate to those feelings, and

878
00:31:29,914 --> 00:31:31,194
and that makes it a lot easier to

879
00:31:31,194 --> 00:31:33,194
work with people who are in recovery when

880
00:31:33,194 --> 00:31:35,355
when you can relate to that feeling.

881
00:31:36,009 --> 00:31:38,087
And you bring the dogs in to help

882
00:31:38,087 --> 00:31:40,005
people... I I know you do the prison

883
00:31:40,005 --> 00:31:41,124
stuff now and,

884
00:31:41,763 --> 00:31:43,042
did you work... So talk about that a

885
00:31:43,042 --> 00:31:44,960
little bit, because that's awesome as well.

886
00:31:46,088 --> 00:31:48,493
Yeah. We have a, an inmate training

887
00:31:48,866 --> 00:31:51,406
and, like, rehabilitation program. It's rehab to the

888
00:31:51,406 --> 00:31:52,438
dogs rehab to the humans.

889
00:31:53,882 --> 00:31:56,344
So explain that. What that means exactly.

890
00:31:57,852 --> 00:31:59,758
We have 10 dogs living at the California

891
00:31:59,838 --> 00:32:01,664
City, pen and cal.

892
00:32:04,075 --> 00:32:06,234
Ted dogs with 26 inmates. The dogs live

893
00:32:06,234 --> 00:32:07,835
there in the pod, pod b 3.

894
00:32:08,795 --> 00:32:10,234
And these are all silent criminals.

895
00:32:10,969 --> 00:32:12,727
Who been most of them have been in

896
00:32:12,727 --> 00:32:15,285
prison for a very long time. And all

897
00:32:15,285 --> 00:32:16,883
of them will get out of prison. So

898
00:32:16,883 --> 00:32:19,200
they're all gonna need jobs eventually. And so

899
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,372
we're trying to them get jobs when they

900
00:32:21,372 --> 00:32:22,032
get out

901
00:32:22,411 --> 00:32:25,207
in the, you know, head services industry, whether

902
00:32:25,207 --> 00:32:27,065
that's the shelter or

903
00:32:27,378 --> 00:32:28,834
doggy Daycare or,

904
00:32:29,688 --> 00:32:32,714
a rescue, whatever walking dogs. People tend out

905
00:32:32,714 --> 00:32:35,342
to mind, and people have found any records

906
00:32:35,342 --> 00:32:35,795
when

907
00:32:36,312 --> 00:32:38,618
dealing with dogs. Or you know, we're we're

908
00:32:38,618 --> 00:32:39,891
more forgiving group of people.

909
00:32:41,005 --> 00:32:43,245
And the dogs that we give them? Are

910
00:32:43,245 --> 00:32:45,226
there because they're not well. I got there

911
00:32:45,226 --> 00:32:47,048
because they're good. They're there because they have

912
00:32:47,048 --> 00:32:47,445
the she.

913
00:32:48,078 --> 00:32:49,584
So the dog is in the humans new

914
00:32:49,584 --> 00:32:51,672
late with could both be little fucked up.

915
00:32:52,551 --> 00:32:53,051
And

916
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:55,107
which is great and the guys love it.

917
00:32:55,267 --> 00:32:57,759
I mean, we have it's really important because

918
00:32:57,918 --> 00:32:59,915
I identify as matt and they'll alcoholic where

919
00:33:00,075 --> 00:33:01,273
There and a lot of the guys are

920
00:33:01,273 --> 00:33:02,333
there because of

921
00:33:03,271 --> 00:33:04,642
their own diseases and

922
00:33:06,392 --> 00:33:07,187
that's pretty powerful.

923
00:33:08,301 --> 00:33:10,210
And the guys are all mixed in with

924
00:33:10,210 --> 00:33:12,292
a race wise, which is really, really special.

925
00:33:13,326 --> 00:33:15,632
Most these guys don't ever interact with men

926
00:33:15,632 --> 00:33:17,938
of other races, and they do program and

927
00:33:17,938 --> 00:33:20,028
their brothers in our program, which is

928
00:33:21,775 --> 00:33:22,255
special watch.

929
00:33:22,974 --> 00:33:24,654
Everybody's on the same page. Everybody's on the

930
00:33:24,654 --> 00:33:25,134
same level,

931
00:33:25,855 --> 00:33:26,174
and

932
00:33:26,654 --> 00:33:28,734
help on another. And we have our issues,

933
00:33:28,815 --> 00:33:29,634
you know, there's

934
00:33:30,095 --> 00:33:32,099
personalities know, he got 26 felons.

935
00:33:32,894 --> 00:33:34,482
And there's 4 trainers are 4 of us,

936
00:33:36,151 --> 00:33:37,343
Kim and Leah and Lisa,

937
00:33:38,153 --> 00:33:39,664
and Sam has been helping us out too.

938
00:33:39,823 --> 00:33:41,255
So we all go way every Tuesday. And

939
00:33:41,334 --> 00:33:43,880
He's spent many hours there training from the

940
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,670
men have homework they gotta

941
00:33:46,049 --> 00:33:48,450
do their thing and it's just... Great. And

942
00:33:48,450 --> 00:33:49,809
the dogs stay there all the time.

943
00:33:50,850 --> 00:33:52,610
Yep. They live there. Wow. And they're there

944
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:54,459
for 14 weeks the 4 team week long

945
00:33:54,459 --> 00:33:54,776
program,

946
00:33:55,330 --> 00:33:57,177
Then the dogs go through Canine good citizen

947
00:33:57,549 --> 00:33:57,786
certification,

948
00:33:58,579 --> 00:34:00,005
So which is a very difficult test.

949
00:34:02,001 --> 00:34:03,745
2 inmates take the daughter through the test

950
00:34:03,745 --> 00:34:06,441
5 5 points each. It's a 10 point

951
00:34:06,441 --> 00:34:06,679
test.

952
00:34:09,313 --> 00:34:09,713
And

953
00:34:10,511 --> 00:34:12,985
yeah. It's awesome. It's congratulations Like the best

954
00:34:12,985 --> 00:34:14,981
thing Ever is the coolest thing to be

955
00:34:14,981 --> 00:34:17,056
part of. You've been to, like, I agree

956
00:34:17,056 --> 00:34:18,347
there been doing like a guy dog,

957
00:34:19,380 --> 00:34:21,128
graduation where there's bunch of blind people on

958
00:34:21,128 --> 00:34:23,908
stage getting their their dogs. It's just kinda

959
00:34:23,908 --> 00:34:25,656
like that. It's depressing them because the guys

960
00:34:25,656 --> 00:34:26,530
who leave the dogs that.

961
00:34:27,418 --> 00:34:29,083
Like, we take the talks with us. Oh,

962
00:34:29,558 --> 00:34:31,302
not. I mean, brutal, do you give them

963
00:34:31,302 --> 00:34:32,174
prepared for that?

964
00:34:33,364 --> 00:34:33,681
Oh,

965
00:34:35,046 --> 00:34:36,001
I mean, no.

966
00:34:36,956 --> 00:34:38,070
You know, I don't know how you did.

967
00:34:38,309 --> 00:34:40,775
I would break my hard. I mean jeez.

968
00:34:42,222 --> 00:34:42,700
It was tough.

969
00:34:43,495 --> 00:34:45,404
And then we take 2 weeks off, and

970
00:34:45,404 --> 00:34:46,836
then we go back in with another set.

971
00:34:47,075 --> 00:34:48,666
We started... We start out with demo dogs.

972
00:34:49,318 --> 00:34:51,153
And then we bring in the... They're all

973
00:34:51,153 --> 00:34:52,750
shelter dogs. They're all dogs that come from.

974
00:34:53,468 --> 00:34:53,867
Our

975
00:34:55,942 --> 00:34:56,660
shelters nearby.

976
00:34:57,391 --> 00:35:00,173
Already city shelter all the bakersfield. Do you

977
00:35:00,173 --> 00:35:02,241
have to pardon in the pun vet the

978
00:35:02,241 --> 00:35:04,920
prisoners so that, you know that they aren't

979
00:35:05,277 --> 00:35:08,221
animal users. Yes. Like Can't be animal users

980
00:35:08,221 --> 00:35:09,732
and they can't be raped to,

981
00:35:11,005 --> 00:35:11,823
which actually

982
00:35:12,133 --> 00:35:13,110
they can't eat,

983
00:35:13,882 --> 00:35:15,074
like, women abusers,

984
00:35:16,266 --> 00:35:18,651
which kind of cut down a lot of

985
00:35:18,651 --> 00:35:20,099
the people that we can draw from.

986
00:35:21,138 --> 00:35:22,896
I mean, people at first, people were like,

987
00:35:22,976 --> 00:35:25,453
well, they're not they're not dangerous criminals. Are

988
00:35:25,453 --> 00:35:27,771
they? And they're all almost all of them

989
00:35:27,771 --> 00:35:30,822
are requiring criminals but they're they're great. They're

990
00:35:30,822 --> 00:35:32,579
great. I mean, a lot of them are

991
00:35:32,579 --> 00:35:33,617
proud they've been in there. Since there were

992
00:35:33,617 --> 00:35:35,295
17 for being knuckle heads.

993
00:35:36,029 --> 00:35:37,708
And they've trying to mature a prison, and

994
00:35:37,708 --> 00:35:39,465
they're trying to find an identity. And they

995
00:35:39,465 --> 00:35:42,443
punching it straws about anything to give them

996
00:35:42,502 --> 00:35:43,002
positive,

997
00:35:43,541 --> 00:35:44,440
like, nourishment

998
00:35:45,072 --> 00:35:45,152
like,

999
00:35:46,421 --> 00:35:49,277
nourishment and and our program does that. But.

1000
00:35:49,754 --> 00:35:51,658
Need to wash them grab. Know. Yeah.

1001
00:35:52,706 --> 00:35:54,297
K. Dog is love.

1002
00:35:55,967 --> 00:35:58,194
Yeah But what was the to get you

1003
00:35:58,194 --> 00:35:59,864
in the the... Doing the prison thing,

1004
00:36:00,834 --> 00:36:02,425
that it just was that a natural from

1005
00:36:02,425 --> 00:36:04,436
the rehab thing, a natural

1006
00:36:05,130 --> 00:36:07,357
segue? I always wanna do it. I really

1007
00:36:07,357 --> 00:36:09,301
always wanna 1 of my best friends Robbie

1008
00:36:10,071 --> 00:36:12,929
was in incarcerated for for 12 years.

1009
00:36:13,881 --> 00:36:15,786
And he when he got out, he out

1010
00:36:15,786 --> 00:36:18,285
that gone from me he operates this

1011
00:36:19,530 --> 00:36:22,147
really cool rescue called Free to Live and

1012
00:36:22,147 --> 00:36:23,972
sanctuary in Oklahoma City.

1013
00:36:25,019 --> 00:36:25,418
And

1014
00:36:26,136 --> 00:36:28,768
I fucking love that guy. And it's just

1015
00:36:28,768 --> 00:36:31,161
so good. What's happened to him and he's

1016
00:36:31,161 --> 00:36:33,474
he's the director of of the rescue, you

1017
00:36:33,474 --> 00:36:35,322
know, And, like, It was, like,

1018
00:36:36,833 --> 00:36:38,664
3 years after after getting out of prison.

1019
00:36:38,823 --> 00:36:40,494
He... He'd worked his way up, you,

1020
00:36:41,608 --> 00:36:44,130
become that, and he's a line criminal and

1021
00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:46,250
he's from my neighborhood from near where I

1022
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:46,489
grew up,

1023
00:36:47,369 --> 00:36:47,869
and,

1024
00:36:48,409 --> 00:36:49,929
you know, if we can do that. If

1025
00:36:49,929 --> 00:36:51,210
if that something like I can happen with

1026
00:36:51,210 --> 00:36:53,621
him, certainly, if we spend all this training

1027
00:36:53,621 --> 00:36:56,027
these guys and and and we facilitate them

1028
00:36:56,082 --> 00:36:56,797
when they get out.

1029
00:36:57,432 --> 00:36:57,590
Like,

1030
00:36:58,305 --> 00:36:59,758
I could've have been any of those guys

1031
00:36:59,972 --> 00:37:01,579
that are in there. I could any 1

1032
00:37:01,579 --> 00:37:03,337
of them. I... I've done plenty of things

1033
00:37:03,337 --> 00:37:04,615
in my life. I can land me and

1034
00:37:04,615 --> 00:37:06,953
kinda touch for a long time. And

1035
00:37:07,572 --> 00:37:09,465
there's just no difference between us, and

1036
00:37:09,980 --> 00:37:10,376
And

1037
00:37:11,486 --> 00:37:13,706
I mean, that the... Whatever, there are differences

1038
00:37:13,864 --> 00:37:15,157
I suppose, but they're negligible.

1039
00:37:15,847 --> 00:37:16,347
Yeah

1040
00:37:17,289 --> 00:37:19,513
and it's important. I mean, our prison system

1041
00:37:19,513 --> 00:37:19,751
is

1042
00:37:20,546 --> 00:37:22,532
he's a lot of work. It's so broken.

1043
00:37:23,246 --> 00:37:26,203
Mh. It's so so broken. Yeah. So this

1044
00:37:26,203 --> 00:37:27,319
is the way we can make a difference,

1045
00:37:27,478 --> 00:37:28,994
You know? This is a way that I

1046
00:37:28,994 --> 00:37:31,306
can I'm learning a lot. I'm learning a

1047
00:37:31,306 --> 00:37:33,858
tremendous amount going in there and and hanging

1048
00:37:33,858 --> 00:37:34,495
out with those guys.

1049
00:37:35,148 --> 00:37:35,467
Yeah.

1050
00:37:36,105 --> 00:37:37,541
How do you... So where do you get

1051
00:37:37,541 --> 00:37:38,976
your funds from? How do you do the

1052
00:37:38,976 --> 00:37:40,833
fundraiser part? How can people

1053
00:37:42,805 --> 00:37:44,161
They just throw money at you?

1054
00:37:45,134 --> 00:37:47,212
Great. No. It's all we we do for

1055
00:37:47,212 --> 00:37:47,452
great.

1056
00:37:48,330 --> 00:37:50,728
I know You do. I know Youtube babe

1057
00:37:50,728 --> 00:37:52,645
it's got a constant arm and a leg

1058
00:37:52,645 --> 00:37:55,046
to to get food and they...

1059
00:37:55,761 --> 00:37:56,499
I just

1060
00:37:56,952 --> 00:37:58,223
we just started the prison.

1061
00:37:58,858 --> 00:38:01,264
I just finished up, my friend, Kristen

1062
00:38:01,654 --> 00:38:03,492
has helped us put together a fundraiser for

1063
00:38:03,492 --> 00:38:04,152
the prison

1064
00:38:04,611 --> 00:38:05,090
program,

1065
00:38:05,730 --> 00:38:07,408
and we need to basically raise at least

1066
00:38:07,408 --> 00:38:09,805
a thousand dollars a week because the trainers

1067
00:38:09,805 --> 00:38:10,936
are coming from Angeles.

1068
00:38:11,492 --> 00:38:13,161
This is 2 hours away from them.

1069
00:38:14,672 --> 00:38:16,579
All the supplies, all the food, all that...

1070
00:38:16,818 --> 00:38:18,664
I mean, like, 10 dogs gone through poop

1071
00:38:18,664 --> 00:38:20,822
bags. When the live inside a prison. So

1072
00:38:20,822 --> 00:38:22,500
just the amount of poop bags we go

1073
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:23,619
through for 10 dogs,

1074
00:38:24,338 --> 00:38:26,176
like, whatever 3 poops a day,

1075
00:38:26,815 --> 00:38:28,988
10 dogs, Wait. They came go outside, I

1076
00:38:28,988 --> 00:38:31,066
guess. They have to be... It's in the

1077
00:38:31,066 --> 00:38:31,306
prison.

1078
00:38:32,264 --> 00:38:32,764
Oh.

1079
00:38:33,703 --> 00:38:35,621
Alright. So... But they have to use their

1080
00:38:35,621 --> 00:38:36,420
crew bags outside.

1081
00:38:38,505 --> 00:38:39,777
They don't have a Hoover scuba in the

1082
00:38:39,777 --> 00:38:41,209
years there. Their poop bag.

1083
00:38:42,322 --> 00:38:42,641
And

1084
00:38:43,929 --> 00:38:45,609
I think it's just easier to to not

1085
00:38:45,609 --> 00:38:47,929
have, like, an implement like that, like, a

1086
00:38:48,010 --> 00:38:50,329
Super scoop or the actual tool. Yeah. Because

1087
00:38:50,329 --> 00:38:52,260
it could be Uses a weapon. Sure.

1088
00:38:53,138 --> 00:38:53,856
Soaking can poop.

1089
00:38:55,849 --> 00:38:56,009
Yeah.

1090
00:38:56,727 --> 00:38:59,439
7 poop. That of our guys are has

1091
00:38:59,439 --> 00:39:00,556
food. That's good.

1092
00:39:01,604 --> 00:39:04,304
Very well behaved. Yeah. They're they're incredibly respectful

1093
00:39:04,304 --> 00:39:05,177
and they're great guys.

1094
00:39:06,051 --> 00:39:09,485
You are grown to respect. Know, each and

1095
00:39:09,485 --> 00:39:10,045
every world on them.

1096
00:39:11,405 --> 00:39:12,925
So, yeah, We need help with that. We

1097
00:39:12,925 --> 00:39:14,525
need help. We're trying we're trying to get

1098
00:39:14,525 --> 00:39:15,965
into detached. We pen entry as well.

1099
00:39:16,619 --> 00:39:19,248
And, you know, 40000 dollars it cost 40000

1100
00:39:19,248 --> 00:39:21,798
dollars a year inca, a man in California

1101
00:39:21,958 --> 00:39:24,109
State prison. 40000 dollars a year.

1102
00:39:25,224 --> 00:39:28,213
And it almost like, 75 percent of them

1103
00:39:28,272 --> 00:39:29,950
will end up back in prison within 3

1104
00:39:29,950 --> 00:39:33,545
years. 75 percent. To spend... So 40000 dollars

1105
00:39:33,545 --> 00:39:35,711
for them course of that guy's life, he's

1106
00:39:35,711 --> 00:39:38,419
prison for 40 years or 30 years due

1107
00:39:38,419 --> 00:39:41,206
math 30 times 40000. An astronomical amount of

1108
00:39:41,206 --> 00:39:43,846
money. If we spend the money on just...

1109
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,967
You know, just... With just 1 guy doesn't

1110
00:39:47,181 --> 00:39:47,737
re reaffirm.

1111
00:39:48,532 --> 00:39:50,302
And just 1 guy doesn't

1112
00:39:51,073 --> 00:39:53,636
return back to prison. Yeah. You know, That's

1113
00:39:53,636 --> 00:39:55,632
that's worth the program like 10 times over.

1114
00:39:56,191 --> 00:39:58,984
So I'm trying to to explain that math

1115
00:39:58,984 --> 00:40:00,820
to people because these guys can get jobs

1116
00:40:00,820 --> 00:40:02,134
with with the

1117
00:40:02,513 --> 00:40:04,031
the skills that we're getting them. And they're

1118
00:40:04,031 --> 00:40:06,449
gonna... They're damn good trainers. They are becoming

1119
00:40:06,588 --> 00:40:07,867
legitimately good trainers.

1120
00:40:08,906 --> 00:40:11,154
They have really tough dogs they're going to

1121
00:40:11,154 --> 00:40:13,402
everything from crane training to potty training to

1122
00:40:13,538 --> 00:40:16,081
all kinds of obedience. I mean, those dogs

1123
00:40:16,081 --> 00:40:18,704
are very well be very well trained when

1124
00:40:18,704 --> 00:40:20,306
they get out Do you know it's so

1125
00:40:20,306 --> 00:40:23,425
amazing about that too? I feel like that

1126
00:40:23,798 --> 00:40:25,862
because of the way dogs are, and here's

1127
00:40:25,862 --> 00:40:27,687
the thing that's the miracle of a dog,

1128
00:40:28,579 --> 00:40:30,599
gets me a little choked up is that

1129
00:40:30,820 --> 00:40:32,820
you can get a dog who has been

1130
00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:33,320
treated

1131
00:40:34,099 --> 00:40:35,159
so horrific,

1132
00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:36,280
so horribly

1133
00:40:36,994 --> 00:40:37,494
and

1134
00:40:37,869 --> 00:40:39,303
it just wants you to love it.

1135
00:40:40,020 --> 00:40:41,931
You know, it's like, it forget. It knows,

1136
00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:44,082
you know, that it's evidence it might be

1137
00:40:44,082 --> 00:40:46,648
cage or whatever, but it just he wants

1138
00:40:46,648 --> 00:40:49,545
is love. And so here are these people

1139
00:40:49,924 --> 00:40:50,664
in prison

1140
00:40:51,362 --> 00:40:53,612
who probably did not get love, let's be

1141
00:40:53,612 --> 00:40:55,682
honest, you know, in a lot of ways

1142
00:40:55,682 --> 00:40:58,230
and probably feel pretty shitty about themselves. And

1143
00:40:58,230 --> 00:41:00,937
then there's the weakness. Yeah. Yeah. To show

1144
00:41:00,937 --> 00:41:03,024
that kind motion. Yeah. And then there's these

1145
00:41:03,024 --> 00:41:05,016
dogs now that are, like, well, I'll love

1146
00:41:05,016 --> 00:41:07,828
you. You know? Too amazing. Yeah

1147
00:41:08,205 --> 00:41:10,132
That's great. And and it sets the stage

1148
00:41:10,132 --> 00:41:12,442
for the whole pod is allowed to be

1149
00:41:12,442 --> 00:41:12,839
compassionate.

1150
00:41:13,317 --> 00:41:14,989
The whole group of guys are allowed to

1151
00:41:14,989 --> 00:41:17,639
be compassionate. And even with 1 another

1152
00:41:18,586 --> 00:41:18,983
because

1153
00:41:20,414 --> 00:41:22,084
you know, because they're being compassionate with the

1154
00:41:22,084 --> 00:41:23,833
dogs because they're they're striving to give these.

1155
00:41:23,992 --> 00:41:25,901
And they take it dead deadly seriously.

1156
00:41:26,474 --> 00:41:28,231
They're not they're not fucking around and they're

1157
00:41:28,231 --> 00:41:30,309
they're real. They they really mean it. I

1158
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:31,847
mean, some of them and some of them

1159
00:41:31,906 --> 00:41:32,785
enjoy being challenged.

1160
00:41:33,518 --> 00:41:35,746
Immensely. You know, they really... They want the

1161
00:41:35,746 --> 00:41:37,974
tough dogs. They wanna challenge. They want, you

1162
00:41:37,974 --> 00:41:40,361
know, it's really neat. Yeah. I think there

1163
00:41:40,361 --> 00:41:42,032
are a lot of very bright people in

1164
00:41:42,032 --> 00:41:44,203
prison I mean, bright people tend to get

1165
00:41:44,203 --> 00:41:46,121
bored easy, and then they get into trouble.

1166
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,918
And then prison the way the system works,

1167
00:41:49,237 --> 00:41:52,170
unfortunately, as you know, I'm sure that it

1168
00:41:52,369 --> 00:41:55,010
it's it's a money making. Now that prisons

1169
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:55,829
becoming privatized

1170
00:41:56,289 --> 00:41:56,789
and,

1171
00:41:57,250 --> 00:41:59,010
you know, what is the incentive to let

1172
00:41:59,010 --> 00:42:00,690
people get out. First of all, and they

1173
00:42:00,690 --> 00:42:03,485
don't treat mental illness. They don't treat addiction.

1174
00:42:03,962 --> 00:42:05,811
None of that stuff is really even

1175
00:42:06,661 --> 00:42:08,590
dealt with on so many letters

1176
00:42:09,537 --> 00:42:11,850
Yeah. The substance of abuse program is is

1177
00:42:11,850 --> 00:42:12,350
pretty

1178
00:42:12,807 --> 00:42:13,307
inadequate.

1179
00:42:13,765 --> 00:42:14,004
And,

1180
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,434
vocational programs are pretty inadequate. From what I

1181
00:42:17,434 --> 00:42:19,283
know. I don't know a lot. But I

1182
00:42:19,283 --> 00:42:21,278
know about the substance abuse programs because because

1183
00:42:21,278 --> 00:42:22,156
my sponsor goes in.

1184
00:42:23,034 --> 00:42:24,949
Spent time in there. And and they're there.

1185
00:42:25,188 --> 00:42:26,958
They're just... You know, it's not something that

1186
00:42:26,958 --> 00:42:28,867
is really really focused on. They don't give

1187
00:42:28,867 --> 00:42:30,618
them the tools and when they get out,

1188
00:42:30,856 --> 00:42:31,413
know they have...

1189
00:42:32,050 --> 00:42:33,346
You know, they can go to meetings

1190
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,573
suppose, but, you know, it's intimidating

1191
00:42:36,043 --> 00:42:38,110
coming bin. And and and all the things

1192
00:42:38,110 --> 00:42:39,462
you have to comply with when you get

1193
00:42:39,462 --> 00:42:40,814
out is very... It's...

1194
00:42:42,245 --> 00:42:43,518
You know, it's a lot of stuff you

1195
00:42:43,518 --> 00:42:44,790
gotta comply with. Some of them when they

1196
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:46,637
get out, they have mouths to disease.

1197
00:42:47,673 --> 00:42:49,030
You know, babies they have to pay for,

1198
00:42:49,189 --> 00:42:50,226
and they... It's hard for them to get

1199
00:42:50,226 --> 00:42:51,183
a job. Yeah.

1200
00:42:51,901 --> 00:42:53,655
They're gonna pay for these babies when they

1201
00:42:53,655 --> 00:42:55,490
don't have a job. So they go back

1202
00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:56,943
to doing what they know how to do.

1203
00:42:57,742 --> 00:42:59,739
Right. And some of them have been in

1204
00:42:59,739 --> 00:43:01,737
prison so long that that's the life they

1205
00:43:01,737 --> 00:43:03,710
know. So when they get out, they don't

1206
00:43:03,908 --> 00:43:05,655
It's sort of like, in a weird way.

1207
00:43:05,813 --> 00:43:07,878
It's very to probably in the way military

1208
00:43:07,878 --> 00:43:10,656
people are who are, you know, you send

1209
00:43:10,656 --> 00:43:11,505
them to war

1210
00:43:11,864 --> 00:43:14,821
10 years, various wars and then expect them

1211
00:43:14,821 --> 00:43:15,800
to assimilate

1212
00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:17,639
when they get back. It's

1213
00:43:18,417 --> 00:43:19,456
and people's supposed.

1214
00:43:19,856 --> 00:43:21,548
They learn a lot of a lot of

1215
00:43:21,548 --> 00:43:22,367
bad shit

1216
00:43:22,823 --> 00:43:24,417
learn how to how to do a lot

1217
00:43:24,417 --> 00:43:25,214
of new cracks.

1218
00:43:25,772 --> 00:43:27,525
You know, They learn how to we the

1219
00:43:27,525 --> 00:43:29,014
system, and they learn how to

1220
00:43:29,454 --> 00:43:31,534
They learn a lot of new bad stuff.

1221
00:43:31,855 --> 00:43:32,174
Yeah.

1222
00:43:32,894 --> 00:43:35,135
We we just finished up up a 22

1223
00:43:35,135 --> 00:43:36,174
and 22 program,

1224
00:43:37,385 --> 00:43:38,842
which is from the sixteenth

1225
00:43:39,536 --> 00:43:41,927
to the fourth of July, June sixteenth to

1226
00:43:41,927 --> 00:43:44,317
the fourth of July. Then we we rescued

1227
00:43:44,715 --> 00:43:47,623
22 dogs and 22 days bring attention to

1228
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:51,434
veterans suicide, 22 veterans committed commit suicide every

1229
00:43:51,434 --> 00:43:51,593
day.

1230
00:43:52,472 --> 00:43:54,867
And so we got veterans involved in in

1231
00:43:54,867 --> 00:43:57,597
our rescues and my buddy Jewel Rocky who

1232
00:43:57,597 --> 00:44:00,154
started this organization called 1 last treat. He's

1233
00:44:00,713 --> 00:44:01,992
maybe Cor. So he's

1234
00:44:04,324 --> 00:44:06,578
in a navy, but he's basically a combat

1235
00:44:07,832 --> 00:44:08,629
entrenched with the marines.

1236
00:44:09,347 --> 00:44:09,506
And,

1237
00:44:10,941 --> 00:44:13,349
yeah. So he he and I where it's

1238
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:16,069
on that together and and save bunch dogs

1239
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:18,789
and got veterans involved in transported, you'd veterans

1240
00:44:18,789 --> 00:44:19,829
involved in being there.

1241
00:44:20,403 --> 00:44:21,920
Part of the rescues and it was cool.

1242
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:24,074
Yeah. I followed out on Instagram too, but

1243
00:44:24,153 --> 00:44:26,228
I wanted everybody to hear that. Simple cool.

1244
00:44:26,946 --> 00:44:29,738
Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. What is that around your

1245
00:44:29,738 --> 00:44:31,561
neck? Is that is that from... What is

1246
00:44:31,561 --> 00:44:32,195
that tibetan?

1247
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:34,414
The necklace you're... You've got in your hand?

1248
00:44:35,464 --> 00:44:38,261
This is actually from from Nic Raw from

1249
00:44:38,261 --> 00:44:39,699
a buddy line who made it.

1250
00:44:40,578 --> 00:44:40,818
But

1251
00:44:41,697 --> 00:44:43,476
yeah. It's got it's got

1252
00:44:44,109 --> 00:44:46,682
Eastern origins. It's just made out of

1253
00:44:47,458 --> 00:44:48,734
volcanic rock. Call.

1254
00:44:49,611 --> 00:44:50,728
Yeah. From Nic rock.

1255
00:44:51,525 --> 00:44:52,424
Something grounding

1256
00:44:54,014 --> 00:44:56,490
Yeah. I had does she 2 days. Why

1257
00:44:56,730 --> 00:44:57,210
Sleep.

1258
00:44:58,248 --> 00:45:01,179
I I had back surgery. Oh, and doesn't

1259
00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:02,980
sleeping, and then I... We were in prison

1260
00:45:02,980 --> 00:45:04,659
all day yesterday, and I really felt like,

1261
00:45:05,219 --> 00:45:07,139
off my game. There were a couple of

1262
00:45:07,139 --> 00:45:08,739
guys that were really struggling, and it's kinda

1263
00:45:08,739 --> 00:45:09,619
of my job to go.

1264
00:45:10,433 --> 00:45:12,179
Speak with them pull aside, have talks to

1265
00:45:12,179 --> 00:45:13,608
them and and get to the bottom of

1266
00:45:13,608 --> 00:45:14,956
what what's happening in their mind.

1267
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:17,496
And I just felt like I wasn't being

1268
00:45:17,496 --> 00:45:19,579
as genuine as I could it's been because

1269
00:45:19,659 --> 00:45:20,699
I was so exhausted.

1270
00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:23,819
Like, I was... There's sometimes remake eye contact

1271
00:45:23,819 --> 00:45:25,339
with another man when you're trying to be

1272
00:45:25,339 --> 00:45:27,179
vulnerable. It's certainly when you're doing inside a

1273
00:45:27,179 --> 00:45:29,533
prison with a man of the officer race

1274
00:45:29,752 --> 00:45:31,348
who is not used to interacting with you.

1275
00:45:31,507 --> 00:45:32,785
We you're not using to interacting with him.

1276
00:45:33,104 --> 00:45:34,701
It's somebody that you love somebody that you

1277
00:45:34,701 --> 00:45:37,015
care about, but... And you wanna have the

1278
00:45:37,015 --> 00:45:39,027
right answers for him, but I also was

1279
00:45:39,027 --> 00:45:40,726
in a position to I needed to be

1280
00:45:41,025 --> 00:45:41,264
tough.

1281
00:45:42,063 --> 00:45:43,182
This person was in trouble.

1282
00:45:43,901 --> 00:45:45,592
You know, and I needed to be you,

1283
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:48,535
not enable him, and I I just... You

1284
00:45:48,535 --> 00:45:50,762
know, I beat myself up a little bit

1285
00:45:50,762 --> 00:45:51,239
from that 1.

1286
00:45:53,969 --> 00:45:55,570
But, yeah, there's a lot going on lot

1287
00:45:55,570 --> 00:45:58,210
of responsibility and and, you know, sometimes they

1288
00:45:58,210 --> 00:45:59,489
still feel like a kid who's trying to

1289
00:45:59,489 --> 00:46:00,150
catch up

1290
00:46:01,181 --> 00:46:02,776
Yeah. In the canvas life.

1291
00:46:03,813 --> 00:46:05,089
Yeah. I know that feeling.

1292
00:46:07,083 --> 00:46:08,598
So you need to figure out how to

1293
00:46:08,598 --> 00:46:11,554
raise 50 grand a year per program. Right?

1294
00:46:11,792 --> 00:46:14,411
Or per... Wait. Per inmate or per program?

1295
00:46:14,966 --> 00:46:16,021
We need when

1296
00:46:16,394 --> 00:46:16,632
like,

1297
00:46:17,362 --> 00:46:18,954
to do the prison program, yeah. We need...

1298
00:46:20,466 --> 00:46:22,773
We do it 3 times a year.

1299
00:46:25,654 --> 00:46:26,849
3 and a half times. So, yeah. We

1300
00:46:26,849 --> 00:46:28,760
need 50000 dollars a year. Does it do?

1301
00:46:28,999 --> 00:46:32,106
Yeah. That's encompassing all the prisoners that take

1302
00:46:32,106 --> 00:46:32,583
part in it.

1303
00:46:33,554 --> 00:46:35,379
Yeah. That's to do just Cal city. So

1304
00:46:35,379 --> 00:46:37,205
that's to do has to graduate. That's to

1305
00:46:37,205 --> 00:46:39,134
save basically 30 dogs

1306
00:46:39,586 --> 00:46:40,324
and probably

1307
00:46:41,412 --> 00:46:42,206
a hundred of me.

1308
00:46:42,936 --> 00:46:44,367
Is that hard when you go in to

1309
00:46:44,367 --> 00:46:46,196
talk to the the shelters and say, look,

1310
00:46:46,355 --> 00:46:47,865
this is what I'm doing. Are they pretty

1311
00:46:47,865 --> 00:46:49,615
good about just saying, okay. Here you go.

1312
00:46:49,853 --> 00:46:51,084
Here's Here's

1313
00:46:51,462 --> 00:46:54,015
program? Yeah. Oh, yeah. They love it. That's

1314
00:46:54,015 --> 00:46:54,174
good.

1315
00:46:55,052 --> 00:46:56,648
Yeah. They don't want red tape you to

1316
00:46:56,648 --> 00:46:57,445
death or anything.

1317
00:46:58,016 --> 00:47:00,716
No. No. Current County animal services like,

1318
00:47:02,065 --> 00:47:04,685
outrageous supportive. I wouldn't be in any other

1319
00:47:04,685 --> 00:47:04,923
city.

1320
00:47:05,574 --> 00:47:07,089
I, the the love that we get from

1321
00:47:07,089 --> 00:47:08,546
our shelter and and

1322
00:47:09,003 --> 00:47:09,902
the the

1323
00:47:10,279 --> 00:47:11,954
the support they give us is is, like,

1324
00:47:12,353 --> 00:47:14,107
second to none. It's so different. Going to

1325
00:47:14,187 --> 00:47:14,825
Los Angeles,

1326
00:47:15,318 --> 00:47:16,594
trying to pull a dog. It takes, like,

1327
00:47:16,913 --> 00:47:18,747
an hour and a half. I walk in,

1328
00:47:18,986 --> 00:47:20,820
I don't have to... I mean, they give

1329
00:47:20,820 --> 00:47:22,973
us free reign to to work because they

1330
00:47:22,973 --> 00:47:23,372
trust us,

1331
00:47:24,424 --> 00:47:26,813
to pull dogs to to help facilitate different

1332
00:47:26,813 --> 00:47:29,044
things. Send us pictures of different dogs. They're

1333
00:47:29,044 --> 00:47:31,354
just... There are buddies and there are c

1334
00:47:31,354 --> 00:47:33,639
rescuers and are people... I'd love

1335
00:47:34,713 --> 00:47:36,305
to talk a little bit about the

1336
00:47:37,180 --> 00:47:38,555
the dog meat trade

1337
00:47:39,010 --> 00:47:41,673
that you go in and you help get

1338
00:47:41,809 --> 00:47:42,866
by the truck

1339
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:46,342
literally truckload. These dogs are being taken to

1340
00:47:46,342 --> 00:47:47,081
the most

1341
00:47:47,455 --> 00:47:47,955
disturbing

1342
00:47:48,409 --> 00:47:48,909
situations

1343
00:47:49,939 --> 00:47:52,276
I understand culturally that that

1344
00:47:52,895 --> 00:47:55,291
it's but it's pretty hard to have any

1345
00:47:55,291 --> 00:47:57,859
kind of understanding. For... At least for me,

1346
00:47:58,098 --> 00:48:01,065
I file card. Lot a lot of torturing

1347
00:48:01,123 --> 00:48:01,623
involved

1348
00:48:02,078 --> 00:48:02,578
so

1349
00:48:03,351 --> 00:48:05,358
god when they're killed for the meat right

1350
00:48:05,358 --> 00:48:06,235
are usually killed

1351
00:48:07,033 --> 00:48:09,128
I thought, you know, you're trying to do

1352
00:48:09,744 --> 00:48:12,239
to course the drill their vein and cortisol

1353
00:48:12,297 --> 00:48:14,472
as as much is possible. So you're

1354
00:48:14,944 --> 00:48:16,855
str them or electro queuing them,

1355
00:48:17,572 --> 00:48:19,165
that's how they die. Yeah they say and

1356
00:48:19,244 --> 00:48:20,439
I think sent a buyer, and I think

1357
00:48:20,439 --> 00:48:21,156
them electro.

1358
00:48:21,873 --> 00:48:23,545
And that's other kill. Right? Front me. Right?

1359
00:48:23,879 --> 00:48:25,315
In the middle of a market, middle of

1360
00:48:25,315 --> 00:48:26,032
downtown soul,

1361
00:48:27,229 --> 00:48:30,020
plain is day with with dogg meat, you

1362
00:48:30,020 --> 00:48:33,051
know, displayed and it came base tray there

1363
00:48:33,051 --> 00:48:33,551
with

1364
00:48:34,104 --> 00:48:35,381
case got all around and.

1365
00:48:37,057 --> 00:48:38,814
Yeah. I would love to continue to be

1366
00:48:38,814 --> 00:48:39,772
involved in that on.

1367
00:48:40,491 --> 00:48:42,487
I don't know. I mean, we we are

1368
00:48:42,487 --> 00:48:43,465
in that we don't

1369
00:48:44,259 --> 00:48:46,177
accept dogs from soy dog foundation. You know,

1370
00:48:46,257 --> 00:48:48,015
we go over a bit thailand a couple

1371
00:48:48,015 --> 00:48:49,453
times. I've been in the Korea,

1372
00:48:50,253 --> 00:48:51,691
in the trenches, and then, that was definitely

1373
00:48:51,691 --> 00:48:52,590
an experience

1374
00:48:55,686 --> 00:48:57,831
but so we support sorry our foundation and

1375
00:48:57,831 --> 00:48:59,284
we try to help them as much possible

1376
00:48:59,975 --> 00:49:02,079
in pull dogs, and,

1377
00:49:03,170 --> 00:49:06,034
yeah. It's a it's... The culture and the

1378
00:49:06,034 --> 00:49:08,103
paradigm is gonna shift. It's just matter our

1379
00:49:08,103 --> 00:49:08,262
time.

1380
00:49:09,071 --> 00:49:11,132
We... It's been exposed, we keep shining a

1381
00:49:11,132 --> 00:49:11,869
light down

1382
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,296
it's definitely.

1383
00:49:15,411 --> 00:49:17,411
It's gonna change it's gonna happen within Korea,

1384
00:49:17,570 --> 00:49:19,158
but I have in China. You know, China.

1385
00:49:19,794 --> 00:49:21,621
It's not gonna happen because I'm brit for

1386
00:49:21,621 --> 00:49:23,766
some American terms in there thousands too. It's

1387
00:49:23,766 --> 00:49:25,672
gonna have to happen from within. Yeah.

1388
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:29,025
Can you talk a minute about, 1 of

1389
00:49:29,025 --> 00:49:31,013
your experiences when you were in Korea or

1390
00:49:31,013 --> 00:49:33,000
when you were dealing with that? Or is

1391
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:33,739
it just

1392
00:49:34,369 --> 00:49:35,964
Yeah. I mean, we... I was shocked to

1393
00:49:35,964 --> 00:49:38,140
how easy it was my dog meat farms

1394
00:49:38,278 --> 00:49:40,034
and how easy it was to play merck

1395
00:49:40,034 --> 00:49:40,433
yes.

1396
00:49:42,043 --> 00:49:44,193
How easy it was to find restaurant serves,

1397
00:49:44,670 --> 00:49:44,989
you know,

1398
00:49:45,864 --> 00:49:46,842
restaurant it's serve

1399
00:49:47,217 --> 00:49:49,628
telling meat soup, especially in the

1400
00:49:51,058 --> 00:49:51,798
in the

1401
00:49:52,656 --> 00:49:54,435
summertime, and it

1402
00:49:56,332 --> 00:49:58,250
Believe that Dogg gives you keeps your body

1403
00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:59,141
temper regulated.

1404
00:50:00,094 --> 00:50:02,002
So it was everywhere. And and then the

1405
00:50:02,002 --> 00:50:04,704
fifth farms were enormous. They were just... There

1406
00:50:04,704 --> 00:50:06,215
were so smaller ones segment we went to

1407
00:50:06,215 --> 00:50:07,407
couple's all and we reviewed.

1408
00:50:08,139 --> 00:50:10,611
Mac and May and then soul an older

1409
00:50:10,611 --> 00:50:10,930
retriever.

1410
00:50:11,648 --> 00:50:13,243
And people talk had to shit dude. I

1411
00:50:13,243 --> 00:50:15,078
think we planted them there. They didn't think

1412
00:50:15,078 --> 00:50:16,992
there being in the retriever at a dog

1413
00:50:16,992 --> 00:50:17,151
plant.

1414
00:50:17,963 --> 00:50:19,951
And they thought the video was, like, sage

1415
00:50:19,951 --> 00:50:21,779
to unbelievable what people over the shit people

1416
00:50:21,779 --> 00:50:21,938
talked.

1417
00:50:23,369 --> 00:50:25,197
But it was good terrific There's so many

1418
00:50:25,197 --> 00:50:26,946
doctors there there. Just the horrible conditions.

1419
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:27,840
And,

1420
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,159
you know, all you can help to do

1421
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:30,659
is

1422
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:33,300
is, you know, I played kind of a

1423
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:33,860
west

1424
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,528
like expose. Right we're I my camera the

1425
00:50:37,528 --> 00:50:40,003
video camera Right at Gopro, and my job

1426
00:50:40,003 --> 00:50:41,061
is to kind of

1427
00:50:42,397 --> 00:50:44,167
get them to get us dogs,

1428
00:50:44,725 --> 00:50:47,355
you know, Stare the shout, Na Kim the

1429
00:50:47,355 --> 00:50:49,028
guy which she knew everything about the rules,

1430
00:50:49,108 --> 00:50:51,315
and the regulations to scare these people into

1431
00:50:51,434 --> 00:50:53,828
And this is, like, polluting brown groundwater, noise

1432
00:50:53,828 --> 00:50:55,743
solution. Stuff that you get site you pick

1433
00:50:55,743 --> 00:50:57,818
for. So not actually having dogs,

1434
00:50:58,536 --> 00:51:02,077
but Not necessarily illegal, to other stuff. And

1435
00:51:02,214 --> 00:51:03,646
it was pretty horrific. I mean, it was

1436
00:51:03,646 --> 00:51:05,875
really horrific. A lot of the things we

1437
00:51:05,875 --> 00:51:07,546
saw. And and I was just surprised that

1438
00:51:07,705 --> 00:51:08,523
Japanese People

1439
00:51:09,873 --> 00:51:11,891
some of the neighbors of the dog farm

1440
00:51:12,510 --> 00:51:15,705
work were bread. Did they were they were

1441
00:51:15,705 --> 00:51:17,076
pissed off and they didn't want them there,

1442
00:51:17,235 --> 00:51:18,907
and they thought negatively bought it. Couple of

1443
00:51:18,907 --> 00:51:19,067
them.

1444
00:51:19,863 --> 00:51:21,455
It just kinda depends. It in cock, and

1445
00:51:21,455 --> 00:51:22,650
you know. It's it's kinda like,

1446
00:51:23,446 --> 00:51:26,171
you know, some people fly Jack lag proudly

1447
00:51:26,171 --> 00:51:27,927
because of their there's several worse on heritage.

1448
00:51:29,204 --> 00:51:30,560
And other people will being at the worst

1449
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,236
in the world. Right. And they all they

1450
00:51:32,236 --> 00:51:34,486
could live next door other, you know? Yeah.

1451
00:51:35,683 --> 00:51:38,557
Wow, so what's your... What's your plan? Do

1452
00:51:38,557 --> 00:51:39,515
you have a big plan?

1453
00:51:40,233 --> 00:51:41,612
What's next? For

1454
00:51:42,244 --> 00:51:42,642
everything.

1455
00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:46,331
What's next is I wanna I wanna help

1456
00:51:46,867 --> 00:51:49,020
rehab reevaluate dogs and people in 1 place.

1457
00:51:49,179 --> 00:51:51,504
So I wanna have a wanna create a

1458
00:51:51,504 --> 00:51:53,117
center where we can rehab

1459
00:51:53,492 --> 00:51:56,434
people alongside dog. Just like, what happened with

1460
00:51:56,434 --> 00:51:58,103
me. Yeah. So that's my goal.

1461
00:52:00,033 --> 00:52:02,929
Awesome. This is data of breast

1462
00:52:04,107 --> 00:52:05,385
for humans and dog.

1463
00:52:06,597 --> 00:52:08,511
That that is my... That's my jam, my

1464
00:52:08,511 --> 00:52:08,671
goal.

1465
00:52:09,707 --> 00:52:12,099
So if you... Have everything in my head.

1466
00:52:15,382 --> 00:52:16,894
Repeat that. Was gonna say I have everything

1467
00:52:16,894 --> 00:52:19,305
in my head and everything in my order

1468
00:52:19,442 --> 00:52:20,476
to accomplish it.

1469
00:52:21,590 --> 00:52:23,659
I just need to raise the money. Yeah.

1470
00:52:24,869 --> 00:52:27,182
You ever do a fundraiser in Nashville, I

1471
00:52:27,182 --> 00:52:29,495
can get you a handful of musicians that

1472
00:52:29,495 --> 00:52:31,967
would totally be there for you. So just

1473
00:52:31,967 --> 00:52:33,642
so you know. But that would be amazing.

1474
00:52:33,802 --> 00:52:36,287
Yeah. You're you're in Nashville. Yeah. I'm in

1475
00:52:36,367 --> 00:52:36,765
Nashville national.

1476
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:38,358
Yeah.

1477
00:52:39,155 --> 00:52:41,385
Yeah. Yeah. I've never been. They're good thing.

1478
00:52:41,625 --> 00:52:43,616
Oh, it's a good town. Good food.

1479
00:52:44,188 --> 00:52:46,519
It's fun. It's it's it's growing

1480
00:52:46,895 --> 00:52:49,203
exponentially. It's it's a little nutty. But, yeah,

1481
00:52:50,715 --> 00:52:52,387
it's flawed to do with Let's c. Yeah.

1482
00:52:52,546 --> 00:52:53,581
I love go. Again.

1483
00:52:54,152 --> 00:52:54,628
Come on.

1484
00:52:55,423 --> 00:52:57,726
Come on. So do you think that the

1485
00:52:57,726 --> 00:52:59,894
u 7 years ago would have

1486
00:53:00,666 --> 00:53:02,731
could have wrapped his head around the u

1487
00:53:02,731 --> 00:53:03,048
now?

1488
00:53:05,296 --> 00:53:07,212
7 years ago. Right? Out.

1489
00:53:07,930 --> 00:53:09,447
8, almost 8. 8.

1490
00:53:11,443 --> 00:53:13,014
That's a good question. I

1491
00:53:14,405 --> 00:53:16,550
I don't think no part of me thought

1492
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:18,958
Would be raising dogs so and

1493
00:53:19,490 --> 00:53:20,308
working with

1494
00:53:20,619 --> 00:53:23,097
at alcoholic. I mean, soon after I got

1495
00:53:23,097 --> 00:53:25,094
into sobriety, I knew that even my sobriety

1496
00:53:25,094 --> 00:53:26,133
was working other people,

1497
00:53:27,012 --> 00:53:28,631
but I didn't know that I would be

1498
00:53:28,770 --> 00:53:29,250
doing it.

1499
00:53:29,903 --> 00:53:31,493
You know, that that that that would be

1500
00:53:31,493 --> 00:53:32,526
what makes me happy.

1501
00:53:33,798 --> 00:53:35,093
That it is what truly

1502
00:53:35,786 --> 00:53:35,944
like,

1503
00:53:36,978 --> 00:53:37,296
you know,

1504
00:53:39,306 --> 00:53:42,499
stokes my fire is is working with other

1505
00:53:42,499 --> 00:53:45,214
people that are struggling thing. I I don't

1506
00:53:45,294 --> 00:53:47,624
I don't... I feel quite a alive I

1507
00:53:47,624 --> 00:53:49,962
do... Because you just... You that's when you

1508
00:53:50,181 --> 00:53:51,699
because it's hard for me to stay grateful.

1509
00:53:52,418 --> 00:53:54,176
I can't just... I don't wake up. I

1510
00:53:54,176 --> 00:53:55,135
don't go to Bed grade.

1511
00:53:55,789 --> 00:53:57,942
But when I work with, maybe it's not

1512
00:53:57,942 --> 00:54:00,653
weird, but probably a lot of ego related.

1513
00:54:01,131 --> 00:54:02,646
But I when I work with somebody who's

1514
00:54:02,646 --> 00:54:04,972
struggling, I remember what I'd like to struggle.

1515
00:54:05,210 --> 00:54:05,924
And and

1516
00:54:06,479 --> 00:54:08,011
and then if it's all

1517
00:54:09,177 --> 00:54:10,764
it's all there, it all make sense, You

1518
00:54:10,764 --> 00:54:12,768
know, and that, and then I tangible.

1519
00:54:13,648 --> 00:54:15,166
I don't just feel grateful. And that part

1520
00:54:15,166 --> 00:54:17,084
of whatever mind me know, you know. That

1521
00:54:17,084 --> 00:54:18,523
is difficult for me to be just happy.

1522
00:54:18,762 --> 00:54:19,961
I have to be I have to be

1523
00:54:19,961 --> 00:54:21,580
active to be happy at my

1524
00:54:21,893 --> 00:54:22,850
like, default,

1525
00:54:23,487 --> 00:54:26,436
you know, frequency isn't necessarily stoked. You know,

1526
00:54:26,596 --> 00:54:27,096
I'm

1527
00:54:28,030 --> 00:54:30,355
I have to be doing something to... I

1528
00:54:30,355 --> 00:54:32,367
have to be an action to be half...

1529
00:54:33,221 --> 00:54:33,539
Yeah.

1530
00:54:34,335 --> 00:54:35,768
It's a good thing to know about yourself?

1531
00:54:38,487 --> 00:54:41,132
Sometimes, you know, I like to say sometimes

1532
00:54:41,189 --> 00:54:42,857
you're in the very last place you look.

1533
00:54:45,003 --> 00:54:47,730
Yeah. Yeah. A good 1. The where it

1534
00:54:47,730 --> 00:54:47,889
is.

1535
00:54:49,089 --> 00:54:49,329
Yeah.

1536
00:54:49,889 --> 00:54:51,670
Thank you so much for talking

1537
00:54:52,049 --> 00:54:55,089
on the podcast. I really appreciate. You're absolutely

1538
00:54:55,089 --> 00:54:55,409
welcome.

1539
00:54:56,302 --> 00:54:56,700
Shoot me a

1540
00:54:57,496 --> 00:54:59,882
yeah. Thank you for the listeners, and please

1541
00:54:59,882 --> 00:55:02,587
go to Marley dot org. And donate quarter.

1542
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,559
I'll put stuff. I'll put links up on

1543
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:06,839
my website too and,

1544
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,260
and do all that stuff, and,

1545
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:09,880
you know.

1546
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:12,927
Okay. Get the word out. And good luck

1547
00:55:12,927 --> 00:55:13,664
with everything.

1548
00:55:14,037 --> 00:55:14,196
Alright.

1549
00:55:15,068 --> 00:55:16,893
Yeah. I appreciate it. Thank you very much

1550
00:55:16,893 --> 00:55:18,345
for for taking the time

1551
00:55:20,007 --> 00:55:22,481
the pleasure was mine, honestly. I'm just... I'm

1552
00:55:22,481 --> 00:55:24,555
so happy that people like you exist in

1553
00:55:24,555 --> 00:55:26,071
the world thank God, You know?

1554
00:55:26,723 --> 00:55:28,786
I mean, not just from the animal perspective,

1555
00:55:29,025 --> 00:55:31,485
I mean, I'm super happy that there are

1556
00:55:31,485 --> 00:55:34,105
dogs out there that who had no chance

1557
00:55:34,105 --> 00:55:35,057
and now have a chance.

1558
00:55:35,629 --> 00:55:37,387
But I'm glad a there are people out

1559
00:55:37,387 --> 00:55:38,186
there as well.

1560
00:55:39,065 --> 00:55:40,183
Same thing. I appreciate.

1561
00:55:40,982 --> 00:55:41,222
Bye.