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Hey. How's it going.

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Susan Reese here.

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This episode, I had a wonderful

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conversation with Ruby on,

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an extraordinary walk and let's see. The list

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of all the things she does is really

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long. So

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she is a performing song artist.

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So in other words, you know, she writes

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songs too as well as performs.

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She's a model.

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She is an activist.

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She loves to cook.

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She's funny. She's she's very funny.

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She's beautiful. While I said she's a model.

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So, of course, she's beautiful.

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But she's beautiful inside, which to me

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is the best kind of beautiful.

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What else?

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You know, we talk a lot about what's

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going on in the world and

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how she feels about her place in the

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world as, you know, I talk about how,

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I feel about my in the world. It's

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weird times out there, folks. So

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I just... Every everyone who knows Ruby knows

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her, of course, from the fact that she's

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a fun phenomenal artist,

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but also, you know, she tours a jack

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White and Ryan Adams and and Sam and

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Ruby and and all this stuff and

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it's fantastic.

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However,

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I wanted to talk to Ruby has Ruby,

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not Ruby as all these other things.

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So,

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I really dug it. I doug my time

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with her, and I hope you dig it

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too.

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Alright. Here we go. Oh, and I almost

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Okay. Now for Reals Z's, here we go.

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Hi, Ruby. Hi. See news.

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Today, we've got Ruby Ama on fu. So

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exciting. I'm very excited to to have this

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conversation. Can't wait to you meet you. So

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hopefully won't disappoint you. I know it's not

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gonna disappoint me. I'm really excited. I'm excited

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to. And we have some wine. Yes. Delicious.

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Because humans love wine, People And the brand

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of wine is called simple life. Mh.

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Right? What about to that? Here's to that.

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So telephone folks

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who may not know your awesome miss what

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Ugh.

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What it is that you do. Starting with...

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I mean,

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you were born in Ghana. Yeah. I was.

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You're an immigrant. Yes. God forbid. Flat right?

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Yeah. Full eye. I think God you're an

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immigrant when you a bed and yeah trying

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to be an immigrant now. It's more complicated

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business. It's so complicated,

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but it's so funny because I didn't become

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a citizen.

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Of the states until I was in my

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early twenties. Wow. And that was

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First,

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you know, we had our green cards, which

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now I hear is exceptionally hard to get.

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And very expensive. All that. You know. Mh.

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So when we came to this country, we

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were really blessed to have sorted all of

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that out in the beginning. Yeah.

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So we came... You know, we basically came

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here with that kind of sorted. Or or

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you swapping mom dad. Mom dad

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sister brother and myself. I'm I'm the middle.

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And so we got on the plane. I

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was

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1 month away from 3 years old. My

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sister was 5.

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My baby brother was 4 months old. Wow.

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I.

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Just for a moment to think about try

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traveling Yeah. With small children that far. And

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not just on a vac

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moving to a new country. Major your deal

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sure. Yeah. Yeah.

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So So...

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What was the impetus? Why did they decide

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to move here? My dad,

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at the time, he was a computer programmer.

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Okay. And he was the eldest to 4

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boys,

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and his father had passed away when he

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was, I think 5 years old.

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And as the eldest, and especially in that

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cult sure you take care of the family.

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Sure. And,

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you know, by any means. And so the

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best opportunity for my father to do that

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was to leave donna

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and to make money, you know, more money

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and then send it back to the family.

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So he was considering jobs in

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different parts of Europe and also the states.

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the job he chose was in Nashville, Tennessee.

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Random. Yeah. It it was

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amazingly so, But you know what?

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We had some friends,

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my parents had

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come up and their, you know,

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early twenties with another wonderful couple dis seminars,

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another couple called the.

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And they had moved to Nashville, you know,

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differing times. Mh.

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So when... You, I think that was also

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1 of the reasons my dad considered

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Nashville.

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they couldn't have been better and the opportunity

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job opportunity for him could not have been

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better, and

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our family was really taken care of and

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protected. And and when we came here, it

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was truly just...

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I felt like everything was

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laid out. Like... It was the American Dream

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as it was supposed to be. Yeah. The

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way originally was...

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That's right. Yeah. You were absolutely right. Yeah.

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The way that the way that our fore

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father were lack of a better Yep. Pool

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to dig from. Right. Pool the dig from.

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Pull the women. Yeah. That that was that

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was what they wanted, was that people could

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come from anywhere. That's right. With with with

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open arms as as opposed to.

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Shin guns.

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What do I get

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Yeah. Has evans these days? Yeah. It's it's...

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You know, And... So it really.

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Gosh. I know. And it really hits home

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for me to see what is going on

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right now with

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with everything. And with with

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with people who

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are trying to come to the states for...

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for differing reasons, you know, oppression in within

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their,

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countries and which is, you know, really big

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1 that... Obviously, a lot of us are

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talking about right now and we know about

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what's been going time. It's really easy for

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an American. And who has a pretty... Even

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even those who don't have a great life.

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It's still a billion times better than some

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of the people in these countries are just

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ravaged. Yeah. And and we really have no

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idea. Most most Americans

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can't even fathom it. Mh. And and

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And into that end, I think that's why

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what comes off as,

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lacking

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empathy is just

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it's just true ignorance. Yeah. And, you know,

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it's funny when when I was coming up,

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just his children do, you hear words, and

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and I heard the word ignorant. I think

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a teacher used it sith ignorance, you know?

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And I was like, oh, but ignorant. That's

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a word that we use on the playground

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to make fun of other kids. We say

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you're ignorant. Like, I didn't, you know, but

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I didn't I would hear it said. Like

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oh, you're ignorant. You're ignorant, you know, people

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would laugh about it because to me, I

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translate as stupid or as, you know, incapable

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of... I think it's often translated to be

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stupid, but it's not. It's it's a lack

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of knowing lack of education. It's just lack

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of lack of knowledge. Very young people

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intellectual like people who have the capacity

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could be very ignorant. That's right. Yeah. And

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if there's something that I don't know,

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I will use that word for cell, and

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not think anything about it. And then that's

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that's the that's

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that's the way I wish more and more

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people were to not take it as threatening

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word, but as a word's, like, you know,

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if you say, you know, I'm ignorant to

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this, it's like an opportunity. To If we

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live in a culture right now, I feel

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like

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there's AAA

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villain to intelligence.

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If you're smart, it's somehow vi and that

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the dumb you are,

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the more you're in status quo. I know

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I know that's not exact. I mean, that's

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hyper, of course, But

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it seems like the dumb down of humanity.

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I only not just talking about America. Yeah,

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think on America till the day as long,

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but it's not just here. Well, but what

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you're saying really does resonate with think talking

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about being a kid in school again, Like,

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think about who was made fun of. Who

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was called the nerd in a geek. Yeah.

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You ever recall anything heavy duty because the

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color of your skin or we... Was that

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not really because you went to nice schools.

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Yeah. Yeah. Up in a... I was lucky.

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I was lucky,

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you know, in the first part of of

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of my life in Nashville Tennessee and in

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the states. And in the south, by the

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way, let's Yeah. You know what's funny is,

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you know, my parents

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did a good job of making us feel

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safe with an the environment that they move

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us to and the schools

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that they, you know, sent us to,

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but as much as my parents wanted to,

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I think

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continue that protection,

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it's expensive to... You know, that... That to

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protect your children

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in this country,

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is expensive.

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And... What do you mean by that? Expense?

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Like,

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even something is where where are you going

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to put them in day?

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You know, is it gonna be a day

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that you never gonna be well fed and

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taught or you gonna, you know, because the

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ones that are they're cheap?

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You're gonna sit your children. They're gonna sit,

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you know, kids in out every. Yeah. And

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they're not gonna... They're just gonna sit there

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and they're up educated. There's no... You know,

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there's not gonna... In the interaction.

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the school systems,

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also, you know,

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everyone's talking these days about montessori schools versus

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public schools or private schools versus public schools.

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And I know that when my parents when

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our family first moved here, my parents,

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were initially, you know, concerned

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about what

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would we be taught in this place that

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In Ghana

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there are certain

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assumptions about America and American children and the

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lack of discipline

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that sometimes

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they have, like, we do not talk back

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to our parents. We don't... There's there's a

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certain level of respect that you that you

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learn that carries over into your life. So

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not so that you're subs servant,

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but just so that you can give the

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same respect that you want for yourself. Like

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a 19 fifties America. I'm I'm idealistic

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19 fifties America. Well, that's I... That's the

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thing is I I have a hard I'm

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even knowing what that looks like. Because when

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I think of 19 fifties, I also think

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about exactly because. I think when I when

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I hear 19 fifties, I'm also thinking about

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Jim Crow and where... Yeah. Wouldn't be able

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to sit where. I say that as a

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white person, of course. A white 19 fifties

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ideal. Mh. What kid obtain, don't talk back

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to your teachers and don't talk about your

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parents. But in yeah. In the 19 fifties,

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black people were being rounded up and hung

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for.

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So, I mean, Yeah. And that's not even

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that long ago. It's still it's lost my

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mind all the time. When I stopped it,

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people talking about all the stuff going on.

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And I'm like, we have We haven't outgrown

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that. We haven't learned from anything, and it

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was just yesterday. I know. And it really

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was. And that's in the states and think

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about South Africa and it was ce. Less

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time or steven lester time. So, you know,

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so what I'd say when I say it's

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expensive

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to protect your children here,

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you know, just

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anything that is is healthy

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or save,

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it's gonna cost more, whether the neighborhood you

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choose for instance. So that's good if you

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are... If you choose to live in a

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neighborhood

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that,

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you know, the crime rates are lower, it's

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gonna cost you more. If you choose to

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put your your child in a school system

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to keep their minds safer to keep their

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minds, you know, educated or and safer or

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whatever, if gonna cost you more. So,

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you know, my parents wanted to continue that

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for the whole time.

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But it got expensive with 3 children. With

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3 children and was sending money back to

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Ghana

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and, you know, to take care of the

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family back there as was the, you know,

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mission as well. It's expensive. And and

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my parents

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worked

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tirelessly,

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and even for what they did and how

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much they worked day and night, there's still

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only so much you can do. Mh So

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at a certain point,

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you know, the the private school

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education had to be modified. And luckily,

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we ended up getting into

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megs and Martin luther your King Magnet, you

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know, meg magnet, Martin luther your King Magnet.

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And it's they explain the magnet school some

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you might not know. Management schools an amazing

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situation where

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if

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you're...

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If you are a child or your child

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shows promise in

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in school. And

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es sc

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promise

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you can have an opportunity to get an

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education

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that

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an otherwise elite school, like, for Nashville, that

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would be, like, Ends sw, you know, or

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Mu montgomery bell Academy or Harbor call. There

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there are schools that you have to pay

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30 plus thousand dollars a year to go

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to to get an education that you know,

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the magna school system gives you, and you

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go there for free. You you test in,

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and then you get selected in accepted. So

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does doesn't it mean that there are different

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kinds of teachers or

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the... That there's only a small... Is I

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know, like, the the students. Yeah. The clusters

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are overrun and less kind stuff. So my

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school isn't placing you in a Montgomery bell

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or the and its own school. It's its

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own school. It's its own school, and there

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is a focus on,

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on in... How should I say this?

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There is a focus on

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the elevation of education? Yeah, wouldn't it be

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something if every school just had that in

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general? Wouldn't it be? But see, there we

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go. There's the division of

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versus poor black versus. Why? Right. Whatever whatever

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division might you wanna throw down. Yeah. It

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should be that schools are just fucking awesome.

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Schools are just exactly. And that that's a

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great education that we're turning out bright,

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excited minds

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It's not reality, and it's a... I don't

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feel like that should be utopian nor do

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I feel like it should be Polly to

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like that. Yeah.

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Yeah. It's it's and it's not... And and

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these are things that we're trying to to

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change, you know, especially also in Nashville with

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our school board, you know? And,

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there are some great things that have dumb,

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but there are some things that have not

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been addressed and and we're in the time

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now where we really have to address those

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things.

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And as you know, going back to money,

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like, money is a big thing. And if

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a teacher

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feels

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you know, that they are not being valued

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by the system.

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It's going to affect. A lot of times

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it just naturally affects how they perform. K.

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The same thing for me if

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I have a show where somebody's giving me

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a thousand bucks to perform a show.

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I'm going to

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try harder

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have... Maybe even have an extra rehearsal,

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you know, with my brand for because I

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can afford it. Yeah. Because I can afford

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it,

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whereas if I have a show and they're,

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like, you know, 250

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that's for your take.

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My band members are not gonna want to

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even maybe rehearse once. We're gonna have to

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do a line check and rehearse at the

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venue. There's nobody wants to be as excellent.

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It's just the way it goes, and you

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can't say, oh, you should always be excellent

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all the time. Yeah. That's true when you're

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stressed out about

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everyday things like, how to pay your bills,

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how to feed yourself, and you want to

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to, you, you know, going back to the

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band thing,

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you know, when you want to give people

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what you know they are worth. If you

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want to show them that you value them.

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Yeah. And if you can't, you're gonna feel

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shame for that, and it's going to express

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itself. That's not like, Bob goes into work

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as an engineer and that morning. His boss

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is like, today, we're gonna pay you 250

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dollars. Thank back to you Right. To 2000

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dollar worth of engineering

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That's great analogy. It's a strange thing that

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creative go... I know we're jumping around Lopez.

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It's a strange thing that creative

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Yeah. Everybody wants to absorb creativity. Mh. Mh.

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Since the dawn of time. Mh. The Gods.

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Yeah. You know, loved it. They would... On

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mount of olympus, the write down going, yeah.

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Play on. Play on. Yeah. And yet,

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nobody wants to value it at anything. It

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should be just given I don't get that.

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I don't know anybody can go to their

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job every day Expect to be paid and

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then turn around and look at

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someone who's creative, and I don't care any

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creative cancer,

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musician, writer

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doesn't matter. You know, any of those things,

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a painter

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that somehow it's okay. To not value them.

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You know, that's humanity. That's yeah. A a

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lack of understanding of how humans value each

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other. It is. It is. And

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I can't say that it doesn't ba me

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still even though I have been,

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you know,

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a creative for my proportion

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for, you know, yes.

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Forever, and

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it's still frustrate me and it's still

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baffles me. It's still something I'm trying to

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figure out,

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you know, and as we continue forward in

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this

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industry in entertainment industry trying to

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Now every day we're trying to figure out

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how can you monetize this? How can you...

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How can you continue to do this

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and still put food on the tape and

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keep a over your head and pay your,

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you know, your rent or your mortgage. Most

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of us, it's rent. Let's be honest, you

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know? And how can you

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do that

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without,

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you know, I mean, gosh,

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I don't know

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many people in my situation who don't have

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second careers or, you know, jobs or thirds

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or... Exactly.

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You know, And this company included? Yeah. Yeah.

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Me too. And this is the thing is

491
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that people don't...

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They don't want to know that. Mh. They

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just want to see,

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you know, the art

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without knowing what the sacrifice was to create

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the art. Yeah. Well, and I think

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going back of here shows, like, Mtv crib

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probably did a major disservice because

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all a sudden it appears like anyone that

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sits down to do music is just sort

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of eating bond bonds doing laps in their

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Infinity pool. Oh, yeah. But that's not the

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reality now. Just... And it's true that over

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the history of time artists,

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again, dancers answers, musicians, painters, whatever.

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Have died penn list. Yeah Not not knowing,

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you know this. And not having the

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experience of having, quote, unquote, A6I

509
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don't know what success means. I mean, that's

510
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such a made up board anyway. Yeah.

511
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But we can... You can talk about specific

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levels of success. The specific divisions of success.

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And if you're talking about financial systems Insurance

514
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is always nice. I...

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That is nice. That's the thing. And... Takes

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the bulk of my income. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

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It is felt very expensive. And I remember

518
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being on the phone this January with my

519
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insurance company

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and asking why it had gone up almost

521
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100 dollars. Because you aged to hear. Because

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I aged a year. Mh. And nothing else

523
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had changed and and they also, you know,

524
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gave me some bs about how,

525
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you know, well, it's how... Well, this is

526
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true, but it's also something that is a

527
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break in the system. Is it just function

528
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in the system

529
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about the cost of health care are rising,

530
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which is true. So they're trying... They're having

531
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to take it from people. But at that

532
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point, they're not...

533
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There's no rhyme of reason to whom they

534
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take it from. They just take it. Well

535
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not only ain't that, but I mean they

536
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they go totally on statistics. And whether or

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00:20:05,644 --> 00:20:07,182
not you are an elite athlete

538
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,194
or, you know, sitting on your couch weighing

539
00:20:10,194 --> 00:20:12,922
400 pounds. It doesn't matter. Yes. Statistical data.

540
00:20:13,162 --> 00:20:15,636
Mh. If every year, we were able to...

541
00:20:15,875 --> 00:20:17,791
I mean I could probably run circles around

542
00:20:17,791 --> 00:20:20,026
my insurance agent, honestly. Right. I mean, I

543
00:20:20,026 --> 00:20:22,588
I'd probably beat. And elaborate through whatever. But

544
00:20:22,588 --> 00:20:24,339
they don't look at that. They just got

545
00:20:24,339 --> 00:20:25,612
your your age group,

546
00:20:26,328 --> 00:20:28,494
color of your skin. Right. You know, how

547
00:20:28,494 --> 00:20:30,331
much the money you make, all that stuff

548
00:20:30,331 --> 00:20:33,208
because... Yeah. You know? And it's it's ridiculous.

549
00:20:33,447 --> 00:20:35,684
Yeah. And someone's making a lot of money.

550
00:20:36,099 --> 00:20:38,571
Ours well when we know that. Yeah. We

551
00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:41,362
know it's broken the broken systems. Yeah. Yeah.

552
00:20:41,602 --> 00:20:43,197
Yeah. It is. You know, and there have

553
00:20:43,197 --> 00:20:45,509
been years where I have sent, you know,

554
00:20:45,922 --> 00:20:48,940
no to health insurance by principal alone, and

555
00:20:48,940 --> 00:20:50,528
there been years where I have had to

556
00:20:50,528 --> 00:20:52,617
say no to insurance by a lack of

557
00:20:52,832 --> 00:20:54,738
lack of income, and then there, you know,

558
00:20:54,896 --> 00:20:55,970
been where,

559
00:20:56,750 --> 00:20:58,190
you know, I just make it work.

560
00:20:58,829 --> 00:20:59,329
And

561
00:20:59,710 --> 00:21:02,764
it's it's it's still hard. It's hard. I

562
00:21:02,764 --> 00:21:03,264
don't

563
00:21:03,804 --> 00:21:06,304
think in my adult life I've ever had

564
00:21:06,365 --> 00:21:08,065
a year where I don't worry

565
00:21:08,764 --> 00:21:09,724
about paying my bills.

566
00:21:11,657 --> 00:21:12,796
And that is

567
00:21:13,175 --> 00:21:14,853
shocking to me as I say it out

568
00:21:14,853 --> 00:21:15,353
loud

569
00:21:15,971 --> 00:21:17,031
because of

570
00:21:17,902 --> 00:21:20,630
of, you know, the amount of work I

571
00:21:21,801 --> 00:21:23,632
continue to do, you would think that... But

572
00:21:23,632 --> 00:21:24,960
you know what this like, I'm going back

573
00:21:25,238 --> 00:21:26,991
teachers because the same thing applies,

574
00:21:27,549 --> 00:21:29,142
I think teachers should make as much as

575
00:21:29,142 --> 00:21:32,568
doctors. I so wholeheartedly agree. That is the

576
00:21:32,568 --> 00:21:35,529
way it should be. I so So... And

577
00:21:35,529 --> 00:21:38,231
and the requirements for their education should be

578
00:21:38,231 --> 00:21:40,878
held to withstand as well. Yes. I am

579
00:21:41,014 --> 00:21:42,842
appalled that some of the... You know, when

580
00:21:42,922 --> 00:21:44,844
I baby sat for my friends kids or

581
00:21:44,844 --> 00:21:46,590
whatever and the things that... I'm like, why

582
00:21:46,590 --> 00:21:49,447
did you learn that? Mh. You know. Mh.

583
00:21:49,765 --> 00:21:52,226
Some some of the teachers. And III

584
00:21:52,226 --> 00:21:54,705
think teachers police officers, all these guys. I

585
00:21:54,705 --> 00:21:56,159
mean, my gosh yes

586
00:21:57,011 --> 00:22:00,590
Yes. They're all doing god's work. I know.

587
00:22:00,988 --> 00:22:02,830
You know. Yeah. We need to take the

588
00:22:02,830 --> 00:22:04,919
money away from some folks

589
00:22:05,292 --> 00:22:06,960
and give it to others. I don't even

590
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,786
know. I mean, Terrible to say. I don't

591
00:22:08,786 --> 00:22:10,953
know. I mean, I think an opinion is

592
00:22:11,104 --> 00:22:13,762
in if you're paying a baseball player who's

593
00:22:14,141 --> 00:22:17,018
exceptional his job granted, but if you're paying

594
00:22:17,018 --> 00:22:20,787
them 200000000 dollars a year, and and there

595
00:22:20,787 --> 00:22:23,658
are 5 and 4 year olds who can't

596
00:22:23,658 --> 00:22:25,492
get health and... You know, can't get... Go

597
00:22:25,492 --> 00:22:27,565
to see the doctor, or who do go

598
00:22:27,565 --> 00:22:28,682
to the doctor and then end up with

599
00:22:28,682 --> 00:22:31,640
medical bills completely destroy the family. Yeah,

600
00:22:32,434 --> 00:22:34,739
that's a broken world. Let's talk about this.

601
00:22:34,898 --> 00:22:36,408
What do you think why do you think

602
00:22:36,408 --> 00:22:38,966
that there are a lot of people not

603
00:22:38,966 --> 00:22:40,557
everybody because I know a lot of people

604
00:22:40,557 --> 00:22:43,737
with a really, really hefty income who do

605
00:22:43,737 --> 00:22:46,122
give back. Absolutely. Sure. Why do you think

606
00:22:46,122 --> 00:22:46,575
that

607
00:22:47,653 --> 00:22:48,712
there are people

608
00:22:49,251 --> 00:22:52,307
who make an exorbitant amount of money who's

609
00:22:52,446 --> 00:22:54,858
who don't naturally say, I am going to

610
00:22:54,858 --> 00:22:57,255
give away this percentage because I don't need

611
00:22:57,255 --> 00:22:58,614
it. What do you think that is?

612
00:22:59,413 --> 00:23:01,650
I mean, I think that's probably a couple

613
00:23:01,650 --> 00:23:04,210
different things. Things 1 ego, and I don't

614
00:23:04,210 --> 00:23:05,879
mean Ego like, on the shit. I mean,

615
00:23:06,038 --> 00:23:08,843
Ego, like your ego versus your soul. It's

616
00:23:09,058 --> 00:23:12,250
somewhere in they think that they're not that

617
00:23:12,250 --> 00:23:13,996
they're not deserve, They probably work very hard

618
00:23:13,996 --> 00:23:15,583
for the money. Yeah. Or maybe they inherited

619
00:23:15,583 --> 00:23:16,932
it. Whatever. Whatever it is.

620
00:23:18,043 --> 00:23:19,575
I think there is an

621
00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:21,257
an inherent

622
00:23:22,106 --> 00:23:24,170
thing that happens to a human being where

623
00:23:24,170 --> 00:23:24,670
they

624
00:23:25,361 --> 00:23:28,480
become a person, and they either see themselves

625
00:23:28,869 --> 00:23:30,787
as an individual. Mh.

626
00:23:31,266 --> 00:23:33,663
Going through the world, or they see themselves

627
00:23:33,663 --> 00:23:37,267
as part of humanity. Wow, that's that... I'm

628
00:23:37,267 --> 00:23:39,096
the only way I resonates. Yeah. The only

629
00:23:39,096 --> 00:23:40,767
way I can look at it because it

630
00:23:40,767 --> 00:23:41,665
seems to me

631
00:23:42,596 --> 00:23:43,646
that the people...

632
00:23:44,841 --> 00:23:46,831
And it it's directly correlates with how they

633
00:23:46,831 --> 00:23:48,503
feel about themselves. I will say it until

634
00:23:48,583 --> 00:23:51,210
I'm blue the face. Nobody treats another human

635
00:23:51,210 --> 00:23:52,101
being Mh.

636
00:23:53,453 --> 00:23:54,964
Except for how they feel about the. You're

637
00:23:54,964 --> 00:23:57,986
absolutely right. Yeah. So the man or woman

638
00:23:57,986 --> 00:23:59,418
walking down the street that can't look in

639
00:23:59,418 --> 00:24:01,581
the eyes of the homeless person. Mh.

640
00:24:02,376 --> 00:24:04,206
That really doesn't much to do with the

641
00:24:04,206 --> 00:24:05,956
homeless person. It has to do with their

642
00:24:05,956 --> 00:24:09,872
own feeling of them. Themselves. Right? Right. Maybe

643
00:24:09,872 --> 00:24:12,028
maybe they're wealthy and they somewhere in them.

644
00:24:12,188 --> 00:24:13,944
They don't feel worthy of that, and so

645
00:24:13,944 --> 00:24:16,579
they over overcome by buying a, you know,

646
00:24:16,739 --> 00:24:17,617
400000

647
00:24:17,617 --> 00:24:20,923
dollar car. Mh. To somehow feel worthy, but

648
00:24:21,220 --> 00:24:23,052
it's my experience. I can only speak from

649
00:24:23,052 --> 00:24:24,190
my experience that

650
00:24:24,726 --> 00:24:27,211
no matter what your wealth level. I mean,

651
00:24:27,450 --> 00:24:29,361
I'm not rich. Obviously like. What the people

652
00:24:29,441 --> 00:24:31,114
I have known and the peep the company

653
00:24:31,273 --> 00:24:31,751
I have caps.

654
00:24:33,583 --> 00:24:34,322
That money

655
00:24:34,778 --> 00:24:35,278
absolutely

656
00:24:36,226 --> 00:24:38,774
emphatic does not buy happiness. Yeah. In fact,

657
00:24:38,933 --> 00:24:41,482
for some, it causes more misery because they

658
00:24:41,482 --> 00:24:42,995
try and fill this God shaped hole, and

659
00:24:43,154 --> 00:24:45,237
I referenced God And it doesn't matter whether

660
00:24:45,237 --> 00:24:47,223
you're religious or not. It's an expression. Right.

661
00:24:47,382 --> 00:24:49,606
You know, to fill a gods shaped hole,

662
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,144
Right. Well, never work. It it's an infinite

663
00:24:53,362 --> 00:24:56,311
amount of empty. Yeah. Right. So what are

664
00:24:56,311 --> 00:24:57,985
you gonna do? So that... That's a long

665
00:24:57,985 --> 00:25:01,100
winded answer to. Should absolutely resonates it completely.

666
00:25:01,655 --> 00:25:03,242
And I wish it weren't the case. I

667
00:25:03,242 --> 00:25:05,145
mean, I don't know what happens.

668
00:25:05,859 --> 00:25:07,859
Every soul has its own journey. I guys.

669
00:25:08,099 --> 00:25:10,975
And and I I personally believe in rein

670
00:25:10,975 --> 00:25:13,531
incarnation. So I believe that, you know, maybe

671
00:25:13,531 --> 00:25:14,823
in the last life, I was at deck.

672
00:25:15,062 --> 00:25:17,289
I have no idea. Why. I don't know.

673
00:25:17,528 --> 00:25:18,880
I mean, I the same. I feel like

674
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,778
every soul

675
00:25:20,232 --> 00:25:22,879
as they move through kind of experience

676
00:25:23,349 --> 00:25:25,018
all these different things. And wow. You know,

677
00:25:25,256 --> 00:25:26,051
I was the rap.

678
00:25:26,528 --> 00:25:27,958
I was raped. I was a murderer.

679
00:25:28,832 --> 00:25:31,216
I was murdered. I was black. I was

680
00:25:31,216 --> 00:25:33,695
white. I was you know, Asian. Was native

681
00:25:33,855 --> 00:25:36,558
American. I had smallpox. I gave blankets that

682
00:25:36,558 --> 00:25:38,943
had smallpox on them. You know, I don't

683
00:25:38,943 --> 00:25:40,866
know. I I don't know because I don't

684
00:25:40,866 --> 00:25:42,771
know. And nobody parents should speak to knowing.

685
00:25:42,930 --> 00:25:44,757
Right. And be emphatic about any of that

686
00:25:44,757 --> 00:25:46,901
stuff. Mh. You know, All we can do

687
00:25:46,901 --> 00:25:49,442
is Yeah. See what resonates to ourselves, but

688
00:25:49,442 --> 00:25:51,767
right Ryan. I don't get it. I don't

689
00:25:51,767 --> 00:25:53,143
know why a baby born

690
00:25:53,838 --> 00:25:55,055
comes up and

691
00:25:55,512 --> 00:25:55,830
says,

692
00:25:56,468 --> 00:25:58,000
I'm gonna be a jerk for the whole...

693
00:25:58,159 --> 00:25:59,599
For my whole life. And I'm gonna think

694
00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:01,200
these people are worth less,

695
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:03,759
and these people are worth more based on

696
00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:05,539
the virtue of how much money they make

697
00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:08,032
where they came from the parents are

698
00:26:08,408 --> 00:26:10,559
it's crazy to me. Yeah. That's me. And

699
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:12,869
there are plenty of people that might even

700
00:26:12,869 --> 00:26:15,260
listen to this that get irritated by this

701
00:26:15,260 --> 00:26:17,826
conversation because it resonates them that they behave

702
00:26:17,826 --> 00:26:19,979
that way. Right. Right. They have every right

703
00:26:19,979 --> 00:26:22,691
to. It's their life, but it's unfortunate to

704
00:26:22,691 --> 00:26:24,525
me. It's unfortunate. And add to that, you

705
00:26:24,525 --> 00:26:26,494
know, there are things and there are influence

706
00:26:26,614 --> 00:26:28,942
is that each 1 of us have had

707
00:26:29,396 --> 00:26:31,621
from birth to also inform us.

708
00:26:32,336 --> 00:26:34,085
And, you know, it... Yeah and I'm not

709
00:26:34,085 --> 00:26:35,357
even just saying, oh,

710
00:26:36,009 --> 00:26:38,324
who raised you? You know, That's definitely a

711
00:26:38,324 --> 00:26:40,399
huge part of it. Who raised you and

712
00:26:40,399 --> 00:26:42,394
how did they raise you, but there also

713
00:26:42,394 --> 00:26:44,571
comes a point when you as an individual

714
00:26:44,962 --> 00:26:47,667
start to receive the world in a certain

715
00:26:47,667 --> 00:26:49,894
way and perceive the world in a certain

716
00:26:49,894 --> 00:26:50,212
way.

717
00:26:50,849 --> 00:26:51,349
And

718
00:26:52,057 --> 00:26:52,955
And that's a

719
00:26:54,284 --> 00:26:56,750
decision, and that's a personality choice. So within

720
00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:58,364
that, the the

721
00:26:59,470 --> 00:27:01,879
that we have all had have informed

722
00:27:03,049 --> 00:27:05,299
who who we are and how we believe

723
00:27:05,848 --> 00:27:07,280
ourselves to be in the world to be

724
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,587
and what we deserve and what we owe.

725
00:27:10,382 --> 00:27:12,943
Yeah. And who's to say? I gratitude this

726
00:27:12,943 --> 00:27:15,564
is normal parenting couple. Mh.

727
00:27:16,041 --> 00:27:18,821
May raise soc path. Mh. Steve Jobs.

728
00:27:19,616 --> 00:27:22,335
So about. He's just associate app that used

729
00:27:22,335 --> 00:27:22,835
his

730
00:27:23,209 --> 00:27:26,867
his personality to become what he became. And

731
00:27:26,867 --> 00:27:29,514
you have like a bunny, there's yours girls

732
00:27:29,514 --> 00:27:30,875
in the cars. Right. See what I mean?

733
00:27:31,674 --> 00:27:33,194
Who's to say? Does that have anything do

734
00:27:33,194 --> 00:27:33,835
with their parents?

735
00:27:34,554 --> 00:27:36,714
We weren't. We weren't there though. That's the

736
00:27:36,714 --> 00:27:39,363
thing too. You know? Who's we weren't... We

737
00:27:39,363 --> 00:27:41,593
we weren't there. Nobody's sat down and talk

738
00:27:41,593 --> 00:27:44,221
to see jobs parents. I always say look

739
00:27:44,221 --> 00:27:45,894
at the first example, you come from a

740
00:27:45,894 --> 00:27:47,424
family life 3 children. As do I?

741
00:27:48,303 --> 00:27:50,242
My brothers and myself are

742
00:27:51,260 --> 00:27:53,658
so different. Really raised by the same people?

743
00:27:53,817 --> 00:27:55,655
Mh Are... I mean, are your siblings very

744
00:27:55,655 --> 00:27:56,589
similar or

745
00:27:57,108 --> 00:27:59,421
we... Under what we're very close. You know,

746
00:28:00,777 --> 00:28:03,430
we have definitely a red thread

747
00:28:04,207 --> 00:28:06,201
that joins us and,

748
00:28:06,853 --> 00:28:09,001
the way we perceive the world, And that

749
00:28:09,001 --> 00:28:11,172
might be rare or that maybe because we

750
00:28:11,308 --> 00:28:12,661
did kind of have a shock to the

751
00:28:12,661 --> 00:28:14,275
system and move here, and we were,

752
00:28:14,650 --> 00:28:17,293
you know, very much with entire family was

753
00:28:17,293 --> 00:28:17,793
really,

754
00:28:18,250 --> 00:28:20,184
you know, in the new... Like, a a

755
00:28:20,401 --> 00:28:22,712
nuclear family in that way. But but like,

756
00:28:22,792 --> 00:28:25,120
for instance, like, our We're also... Each 2

757
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:26,635
years apart that may make a difference like

758
00:28:26,635 --> 00:28:28,172
how about you and your siblings are you

759
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:30,463
different 7 years. So... That also... Of course,

760
00:28:30,623 --> 00:28:31,819
that has to do a lot with it

761
00:28:31,819 --> 00:28:33,470
too. And that's the world changes. And as

762
00:28:33,986 --> 00:28:35,576
is the parents change and as the world

763
00:28:35,576 --> 00:28:37,564
changes, like, there are definitely different ways of

764
00:28:37,564 --> 00:28:39,153
raising. And I think that's the thing. Like,

765
00:28:39,551 --> 00:28:41,061
we were all 2 years apart. 2 and

766
00:28:41,061 --> 00:28:43,301
a half isn't. So you're basically You know

767
00:28:43,301 --> 00:28:45,843
little puppies, you know, falling Together. Yeah. Yeah.

768
00:28:46,001 --> 00:28:48,884
You know, together and so we're experiencing life

769
00:28:50,053 --> 00:28:51,896
with a 2 year difference 17 a team.

770
00:28:52,056 --> 00:28:54,285
Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. So you

771
00:28:54,285 --> 00:28:57,174
fascinating. Go to school, you getting a great

772
00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:59,381
education that also includes music,

773
00:28:59,794 --> 00:29:02,189
in. Yeah. Yeah. So so, you know, I

774
00:29:02,348 --> 00:29:03,306
I went to Hu fog,

775
00:29:04,902 --> 00:29:06,897
academic magnet here in Nashville downtown.

776
00:29:07,695 --> 00:29:10,018
And you know, and and children came from

777
00:29:10,018 --> 00:29:12,723
all over the city. We didn't even have

778
00:29:12,723 --> 00:29:14,496
a, you know, Metro didn't

779
00:29:15,189 --> 00:29:15,689
fund

780
00:29:16,144 --> 00:29:16,701
school buses.

781
00:29:17,515 --> 00:29:19,515
You know, because it is, you know, it's

782
00:29:19,515 --> 00:29:21,674
if it's a lot. Yes. It would've...

783
00:29:23,195 --> 00:29:25,288
It would been an expensive fleet to go

784
00:29:25,288 --> 00:29:27,443
around the the city to pick up children

785
00:29:27,443 --> 00:29:29,679
in all these varying. Yeah. Places. So that

786
00:29:29,679 --> 00:29:31,674
was a lot of strain and work for

787
00:29:31,674 --> 00:29:33,211
parents. I remember

788
00:29:34,082 --> 00:29:36,227
myself and many of my friends, we rode

789
00:29:36,227 --> 00:29:37,737
the metro school bus when we might have

790
00:29:37,737 --> 00:29:39,168
been even too young to even do that.

791
00:29:39,406 --> 00:29:41,870
You know? Yeah. Just like, just get on

792
00:29:41,870 --> 00:29:43,798
and then your for downtown and I got...

793
00:29:43,958 --> 00:29:45,876
You know, but but we also...

794
00:29:47,075 --> 00:29:49,072
We learned, you know, a lot from that.

795
00:29:49,312 --> 00:29:49,812
And

796
00:29:51,484 --> 00:29:52,436
What all that to say,

797
00:29:53,627 --> 00:29:54,922
I learned the value

798
00:29:55,375 --> 00:29:56,510
of not only

799
00:29:57,439 --> 00:30:00,242
an elevation of education. I learned the value

800
00:30:00,298 --> 00:30:00,750
of

801
00:30:01,268 --> 00:30:02,566
of thinking

802
00:30:03,104 --> 00:30:03,604
beyond

803
00:30:04,540 --> 00:30:05,599
what you might

804
00:30:06,615 --> 00:30:07,732
perceive your limits to be.

805
00:30:09,344 --> 00:30:10,463
Does that make sense? Yeah.

806
00:30:11,102 --> 00:30:11,582
Absolutely.

807
00:30:11,981 --> 00:30:12,481
So,

808
00:30:14,059 --> 00:30:17,096
you know, it's... I'm I'm I'm laughing inside

809
00:30:17,096 --> 00:30:18,109
about something my fault,

810
00:30:19,105 --> 00:30:20,300
who is now

811
00:30:20,698 --> 00:30:23,167
a life coach and he, you know, project

812
00:30:23,167 --> 00:30:23,667
manager,

813
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:25,636
trainer and stuff.

814
00:30:26,432 --> 00:30:29,320
He sent my sister and I, this this

815
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:29,639
this

816
00:30:30,358 --> 00:30:32,992
forward that he had seen things tend to

817
00:30:32,992 --> 00:30:35,148
not say in business, Like, phrases that you

818
00:30:35,148 --> 00:30:36,505
should take to pull out of your life.

819
00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:39,552
Just... And 1 of those was does this...

820
00:30:39,712 --> 00:30:42,106
Does that make sense? Does that, interesting. And

821
00:30:42,185 --> 00:30:44,260
I was laughing inside. I said that I

822
00:30:44,260 --> 00:30:46,350
see that Yeah. Well, it's a great... I

823
00:30:46,350 --> 00:30:48,504
know fascinating anything a lot. You have to

824
00:30:48,504 --> 00:30:51,137
say just. You so. Know. And the list

825
00:30:51,137 --> 00:30:54,029
is full of things. Like, don't say, I'm

826
00:30:54,029 --> 00:30:56,109
confused or don't say, you know, Like, there...

827
00:30:56,429 --> 00:30:57,069
It's just to be, like,

828
00:30:57,869 --> 00:30:59,390
you know, I need to write And I'm

829
00:30:59,390 --> 00:30:59,710
sorry.

830
00:31:01,082 --> 00:31:02,357
Or is 1 of them, but it's, like,

831
00:31:02,994 --> 00:31:04,508
well, well, in an in and roundabout way,

832
00:31:04,667 --> 00:31:06,022
But the the big 1 is, like, 1

833
00:31:06,022 --> 00:31:07,536
of the big ones is... Does that make

834
00:31:07,536 --> 00:31:10,027
sense? I just realized that, you know, because

835
00:31:10,974 --> 00:31:12,190
it's it's it's

836
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:16,379
discounting that that person isn't gonna take their

837
00:31:16,379 --> 00:31:17,253
time to process that.

838
00:31:17,984 --> 00:31:20,224
Patronizing. Yeah. It can't it can be. But

839
00:31:20,224 --> 00:31:22,644
for me when I say it, it's truly

840
00:31:23,825 --> 00:31:26,224
it's truly that. It's true I'm really good

841
00:31:26,545 --> 00:31:28,552
It that sounds Does that sound weird? That's

842
00:31:28,552 --> 00:31:29,745
what I say when I said, does that

843
00:31:29,745 --> 00:31:31,256
make sense? And I feel like does that

844
00:31:31,256 --> 00:31:32,847
sound weird. Yeah. Anyway.

845
00:31:33,643 --> 00:31:34,143
So

846
00:31:34,612 --> 00:31:37,023
did you experience any kind of weird

847
00:31:37,398 --> 00:31:37,898
hate

848
00:31:38,353 --> 00:31:40,184
or anything like that? I mean, did that...

849
00:31:41,617 --> 00:31:43,390
You know, my stuff came

850
00:31:45,776 --> 00:31:48,272
in an interesting way, my stuff came

851
00:31:50,566 --> 00:31:53,600
as I was an immigrant as I was

852
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,393
a child with

853
00:31:55,932 --> 00:31:58,649
a, quote unquote, funny accent. Oh, you had

854
00:31:58,649 --> 00:32:01,046
an accent back then? Oh, my goodness. I

855
00:32:01,046 --> 00:32:03,854
had a... I guess I'm says. Yeah. No.

856
00:32:04,570 --> 00:32:05,309
I had

857
00:32:05,923 --> 00:32:07,378
a super thick

858
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:11,667
West African accent. I talked like this, and

859
00:32:11,826 --> 00:32:13,576
I said my words like this,

860
00:32:14,371 --> 00:32:16,439
and sometimes people would make fun of me.

861
00:32:17,410 --> 00:32:20,210
And... But it... Sometimes they would just giggle

862
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:21,730
because it sounded different to them and children

863
00:32:21,730 --> 00:32:23,330
our children and they're just discovering things, and

864
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:24,869
they don't really know how to react

865
00:32:25,170 --> 00:32:26,470
to things. And so

866
00:32:27,024 --> 00:32:28,062
I would speak in a away and the

867
00:32:28,062 --> 00:32:28,381
giggle.

868
00:32:29,419 --> 00:32:31,436
But what I found to be

869
00:32:32,134 --> 00:32:33,592
really interesting or

870
00:32:34,689 --> 00:32:36,660
I I guess ironic is

871
00:32:37,099 --> 00:32:38,700
went there was

872
00:32:39,099 --> 00:32:40,320
a 2 year period

873
00:32:41,019 --> 00:32:41,519
where

874
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:43,920
from the private school

875
00:32:44,299 --> 00:32:44,799
system,

876
00:32:46,234 --> 00:32:47,994
before I got into megs.

877
00:32:48,954 --> 00:32:51,054
There were 2 years where I was

878
00:32:52,634 --> 00:32:53,934
in this particular

879
00:32:54,330 --> 00:32:55,130
public school,

880
00:32:56,250 --> 00:32:57,070
and I

881
00:32:57,450 --> 00:32:59,130
was made fun of more than I ever

882
00:32:59,130 --> 00:32:59,630
knew

883
00:33:00,009 --> 00:33:00,509
possible.

884
00:33:01,289 --> 00:33:01,529
And...

885
00:33:02,490 --> 00:33:03,825
But I was

886
00:33:04,263 --> 00:33:05,162
called things

887
00:33:05,699 --> 00:33:07,076
walking down the hall

888
00:33:07,453 --> 00:33:09,846
for the way I dressed and the way

889
00:33:09,926 --> 00:33:12,478
I spoke and from the country I was

890
00:33:12,478 --> 00:33:12,798
from.

891
00:33:13,356 --> 00:33:15,441
And the biggest phrase that I would hear

892
00:33:15,441 --> 00:33:17,191
every day, and I knew I would hear

893
00:33:17,191 --> 00:33:19,101
it every day walking down the hall.

894
00:33:20,454 --> 00:33:22,602
It's funny now in a way.

895
00:33:24,289 --> 00:33:26,940
But not really, but I was called African

896
00:33:27,714 --> 00:33:28,670
booty scratch.

897
00:33:29,625 --> 00:33:31,457
What is What does that mean?

898
00:33:32,349 --> 00:33:34,423
What does that even mean an African booty

899
00:33:34,423 --> 00:33:36,258
scratch? I think, you know, kids find these

900
00:33:36,258 --> 00:33:38,333
little catch phrases, and this is the catch

901
00:33:38,333 --> 00:33:39,130
phrase of the time.

902
00:33:40,022 --> 00:33:40,522
And,

903
00:33:40,899 --> 00:33:42,674
you know, they had asked, like, did you

904
00:33:42,970 --> 00:33:45,679
did you, like, ride on elephants? Did you

905
00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:47,607
swing in trees like month use you monkey,

906
00:33:47,767 --> 00:33:48,724
Like, there were all these things.

907
00:33:49,602 --> 00:33:50,958
That children would say to me.

908
00:33:52,793 --> 00:33:53,293
And

909
00:33:55,591 --> 00:33:56,781
it's it's it's tricky.

910
00:33:58,527 --> 00:33:59,899
Those came from

911
00:34:00,589 --> 00:34:01,089
my

912
00:34:01,477 --> 00:34:01,874
fellow,

913
00:34:03,225 --> 00:34:04,734
shall I say people who were the same

914
00:34:04,734 --> 00:34:05,767
skin color as myself.

915
00:34:07,197 --> 00:34:09,103
Those were the only people who made fun

916
00:34:09,103 --> 00:34:10,153
of me. What?

917
00:34:10,951 --> 00:34:13,824
And I've struggled with that fascinating. I struggled

918
00:34:13,824 --> 00:34:15,899
with that for really long time. I struggled

919
00:34:15,899 --> 00:34:18,226
and struggled and struggled because For me,

920
00:34:19,181 --> 00:34:21,647
I'm, you know, I struggle to be a

921
00:34:21,647 --> 00:34:22,045
fighter,

922
00:34:22,602 --> 00:34:23,897
you know, because I was also

923
00:34:24,591 --> 00:34:26,523
raised to choose peace over

924
00:34:27,151 --> 00:34:28,976
anger and choose peace of violence.

925
00:34:29,691 --> 00:34:30,191
And

926
00:34:30,723 --> 00:34:32,867
so in those times, I... You know, I

927
00:34:32,867 --> 00:34:34,137
was like, I'm not gonna fight. I'm not

928
00:34:34,137 --> 00:34:35,744
gonna some money in the nose. You know,

929
00:34:35,903 --> 00:34:38,792
I'm not gonna show and express my sadness

930
00:34:38,849 --> 00:34:41,079
in this other way that's not helpful and...

931
00:34:41,318 --> 00:34:42,752
You know, conducive too.

932
00:34:43,563 --> 00:34:43,959
Progress.

933
00:34:44,831 --> 00:34:47,051
But I was always... I'd go home and

934
00:34:47,051 --> 00:34:48,319
be why Why? And I sit in class,

935
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:50,143
and I'd asked myself why? Why Why is

936
00:34:50,143 --> 00:34:51,429
this happening Why? Is this happening.

937
00:34:52,628 --> 00:34:54,805
And it wasn't until I was I was

938
00:34:54,864 --> 00:34:55,364
older

939
00:34:55,744 --> 00:34:57,261
that it was a light bulb that came

940
00:34:57,261 --> 00:34:58,560
off to me that

941
00:34:59,993 --> 00:35:02,170
you know, I had... I started having grace

942
00:35:02,949 --> 00:35:03,449
for

943
00:35:04,786 --> 00:35:05,606
for my

944
00:35:06,319 --> 00:35:07,438
you know, fellow,

945
00:35:07,917 --> 00:35:09,595
brothers and sisters in this way.

946
00:35:10,554 --> 00:35:11,432
Because at the time,

947
00:35:12,151 --> 00:35:14,795
the word my nor was the buzz phrase.

948
00:35:15,511 --> 00:35:17,498
Was the phrase that people were using, and,

949
00:35:18,610 --> 00:35:22,028
and and also, affirmative action was being discussed

950
00:35:22,028 --> 00:35:22,639
when I was

951
00:35:23,078 --> 00:35:23,477
coming up.

952
00:35:24,753 --> 00:35:26,529
And I can only imagine

953
00:35:27,146 --> 00:35:29,379
that children were going home and their fam...

954
00:35:29,539 --> 00:35:31,851
Their families and their parents were having these

955
00:35:31,851 --> 00:35:32,251
discussions.

956
00:35:32,903 --> 00:35:35,050
And, you know, and saying, like, you know,

957
00:35:35,608 --> 00:35:36,880
because I don't know if you know this,

958
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,187
but within the African American community,

959
00:35:40,317 --> 00:35:43,185
affirmative action was considered something that most people

960
00:35:43,185 --> 00:35:44,243
didn't even want

961
00:35:44,858 --> 00:35:45,358
to

962
00:35:45,815 --> 00:35:47,965
to be a part of. Being called a

963
00:35:47,965 --> 00:35:48,465
minority

964
00:35:48,842 --> 00:35:51,028
was what most didn't want to be associated

965
00:35:51,085 --> 00:35:51,244
as.

966
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:53,335
We wanted to

967
00:35:53,789 --> 00:35:56,176
just have everybody wanted to just have equal

968
00:35:56,176 --> 00:35:58,139
bearing equal place. We didn't want anything those

969
00:35:58,259 --> 00:36:01,369
special. Nobody want special treatment. Sure. Sure. Yeah.

970
00:36:01,529 --> 00:36:03,204
It it... It it puts you in this

971
00:36:03,204 --> 00:36:05,119
other place. It causes you to be more

972
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:07,511
excluded. It more excluded. It causes you to

973
00:36:07,511 --> 00:36:08,484
be more included.

974
00:36:09,921 --> 00:36:12,635
So here I was in this situation as

975
00:36:12,635 --> 00:36:13,193
a child.

976
00:36:14,152 --> 00:36:16,488
I was even more of a minority

977
00:36:18,313 --> 00:36:20,775
than my African American brothers and sisters.

978
00:36:21,728 --> 00:36:22,625
And so

979
00:36:23,634 --> 00:36:24,848
to get that

980
00:36:26,111 --> 00:36:28,974
magnifying glass off of them. Mh. They didn't

981
00:36:28,974 --> 00:36:31,359
want it to get that magnifying glass off

982
00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:32,711
of them. They would say, look at her.

983
00:36:32,949 --> 00:36:34,619
She's even more minority than we are. Oh,

984
00:36:34,778 --> 00:36:36,409
look at her. Early from...

985
00:36:36,869 --> 00:36:39,050
Yeah. So to make fun of me

986
00:36:39,909 --> 00:36:40,650
to to

987
00:36:40,949 --> 00:36:41,449
to

988
00:36:43,202 --> 00:36:43,941
my differences

989
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:47,496
cause them to be more accepted. That's exactly

990
00:36:47,496 --> 00:36:49,485
what I was saying is people treat other

991
00:36:49,485 --> 00:36:51,889
people based on how they're feeling about themselves.

992
00:36:52,128 --> 00:36:55,504
Right. It's like, you know, there were jews

993
00:36:55,563 --> 00:36:57,102
in concentration camps

994
00:36:57,481 --> 00:37:00,684
that killed jews. For the nazis. Mh. Because

995
00:37:00,684 --> 00:37:02,675
as long as they're looking over here. They're

996
00:37:02,675 --> 00:37:04,746
not gonna complain. Yeah. Right.

997
00:37:05,860 --> 00:37:07,190
Yeah. You know, and

998
00:37:07,709 --> 00:37:09,626
it's pretty wild, then I think once I

999
00:37:09,626 --> 00:37:12,103
realized that, you know, and I didn't have

1000
00:37:12,103 --> 00:37:14,954
this misplaced anger. I lost all the anger

1001
00:37:15,074 --> 00:37:15,313
for it.

1002
00:37:16,188 --> 00:37:17,858
And I lost for you at that point.

1003
00:37:18,176 --> 00:37:18,415
Well,

1004
00:37:19,131 --> 00:37:19,949
I then

1005
00:37:20,404 --> 00:37:22,472
seventh... I was in seventh grade. Wow. When

1006
00:37:22,631 --> 00:37:25,278
I finally got school They're like, Yeah. Yeah.

1007
00:37:25,518 --> 00:37:27,675
No. It was... I I cannot deny that

1008
00:37:27,675 --> 00:37:29,534
and I won't deny that because I know

1009
00:37:30,073 --> 00:37:31,751
it's what's carried me through and it's what

1010
00:37:31,751 --> 00:37:34,237
it's what has caused me to survive. Do

1011
00:37:34,237 --> 00:37:36,145
you find that children or adults are more

1012
00:37:36,145 --> 00:37:37,417
cruel when it comes to that kind of

1013
00:37:37,417 --> 00:37:39,961
thing or ignorant? 158

1014
00:37:39,961 --> 00:37:41,647
percent children or more cruel. Mh.

1015
00:37:43,477 --> 00:37:45,943
It's adults. They're because they're more...

1016
00:37:46,739 --> 00:37:49,228
That's right. Because children are more forward

1017
00:37:49,683 --> 00:37:51,527
because even my off as a child. I

1018
00:37:51,527 --> 00:37:52,584
would say some things

1019
00:37:52,958 --> 00:37:55,262
to, like, my my my I remember, there

1020
00:37:55,262 --> 00:37:57,726
was, like, children just say things. Like, I

1021
00:37:57,726 --> 00:37:59,157
remember my dad had a friend.

1022
00:37:59,728 --> 00:38:00,705
Who came over

1023
00:38:01,398 --> 00:38:03,965
and his breath smelled. And so

1024
00:38:04,340 --> 00:38:05,771
I said, I and I thought I was

1025
00:38:05,771 --> 00:38:07,918
being cute. And I said Daddy,

1026
00:38:08,316 --> 00:38:09,054
and I

1027
00:38:09,603 --> 00:38:10,876
asked him to come down to my ear

1028
00:38:10,876 --> 00:38:12,307
level so I could tell him. I was

1029
00:38:12,307 --> 00:38:15,329
like, his breath smells. I knew that that

1030
00:38:15,329 --> 00:38:17,078
man could hear me. I knew that I

1031
00:38:17,078 --> 00:38:18,669
was saying that out loud, but I thought

1032
00:38:18,669 --> 00:38:21,157
it was cute. Right. I got a biggest

1033
00:38:21,157 --> 00:38:23,315
spanking for that, you know. But that's the

1034
00:38:23,315 --> 00:38:24,933
thing is that children

1035
00:38:25,632 --> 00:38:28,682
don't always know you can't say that. You.

1036
00:38:28,842 --> 00:38:31,979
For an honest racist to a du races

1037
00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:34,036
any day. Yes. I'd rather know where I

1038
00:38:34,036 --> 00:38:36,284
stood As far as That's right. You know,

1039
00:38:36,442 --> 00:38:38,588
the company I keep you. That's the 1

1040
00:38:38,588 --> 00:38:40,575
the Ira say about Yeah. Trump is say

1041
00:38:40,575 --> 00:38:43,038
what you will about him. He's... I think

1042
00:38:43,038 --> 00:38:45,281
a nut job, but I think he's a

1043
00:38:45,281 --> 00:38:47,615
bird dog. I think he is flushing out

1044
00:38:48,072 --> 00:38:51,101
the races and the homo folds and the

1045
00:38:51,101 --> 00:38:53,150
x oh, most sorry. G what I mean

1046
00:38:53,348 --> 00:38:56,213
that he... He came in and just flushed

1047
00:38:56,213 --> 00:38:58,463
all those people out. Mh. Which

1048
00:38:59,156 --> 00:39:01,162
say what you will, but I'm I'm happy

1049
00:39:01,162 --> 00:39:02,996
to know who the people are that are

1050
00:39:02,996 --> 00:39:06,185
those people because it's not my vibe, you

1051
00:39:06,185 --> 00:39:08,737
know, and they... Yeah some of them... They...

1052
00:39:09,056 --> 00:39:10,583
I have friends. I was like, what?

1053
00:39:11,219 --> 00:39:13,128
The you believe this? How did I not

1054
00:39:13,128 --> 00:39:14,003
know that? Mh.

1055
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,120
Now peace be with you, but on I

1056
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,664
go because... Yeah. That's a great phrase peace

1057
00:39:19,664 --> 00:39:20,936
be with you, but on that go.

1058
00:39:21,811 --> 00:39:24,116
That is really great. I do never look

1059
00:39:24,116 --> 00:39:24,855
at peace

1060
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:26,278
go.

1061
00:39:26,995 --> 00:39:28,350
I really love that. You know and I

1062
00:39:28,509 --> 00:39:30,182
I find that in so many different aspects

1063
00:39:30,182 --> 00:39:30,682
of

1064
00:39:31,059 --> 00:39:33,210
of of the experience of life of living

1065
00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:35,447
in a journey is you're gonna meet so

1066
00:39:35,447 --> 00:39:37,666
many people whom you don't agree with, and

1067
00:39:37,666 --> 00:39:38,563
you're gonna meet,

1068
00:39:39,490 --> 00:39:41,021
you know, people you have to

1069
00:39:41,409 --> 00:39:43,489
you have to still live within and exist

1070
00:39:43,489 --> 00:39:43,809
around.

1071
00:39:44,929 --> 00:39:46,449
And you have to find a way to

1072
00:39:46,449 --> 00:39:47,730
just say, you know what?

1073
00:39:48,703 --> 00:39:50,696
Yeah. And I'm... Here's the thing, and I

1074
00:39:50,696 --> 00:39:52,291
said this before we started the tape Is,

1075
00:39:52,609 --> 00:39:55,480
I I welcome discourse. I do. As long

1076
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,121
as it doesn't get violent Yeah. Or insane.

1077
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:58,995
Yeah. I mean,

1078
00:39:59,869 --> 00:40:02,572
I am all about having a different differing

1079
00:40:02,572 --> 00:40:04,558
opinion in that includes. I mean, I want

1080
00:40:04,558 --> 00:40:06,563
to know what the race thanks. I do.

1081
00:40:06,802 --> 00:40:08,556
I wanna know what the, you know, anti

1082
00:40:08,556 --> 00:40:10,550
semi thinks. Yeah. Because if I don't know.

1083
00:40:10,869 --> 00:40:13,502
Yeah. I I don't feel safe with the

1084
00:40:13,502 --> 00:40:15,416
unknown. Yeah. I wanna know too. I I

1085
00:40:15,416 --> 00:40:17,499
definitely do. I wanna know. And, you know,

1086
00:40:17,658 --> 00:40:19,327
and I really don't encourage the behavior, but

1087
00:40:19,406 --> 00:40:21,869
I know and not know. Right. And for

1088
00:40:21,869 --> 00:40:24,038
me, it also allows me to

1089
00:40:27,701 --> 00:40:29,159
to try to seek

1090
00:40:29,618 --> 00:40:32,746
what that person is going through or has

1091
00:40:32,746 --> 00:40:33,564
gone through

1092
00:40:33,939 --> 00:40:35,769
to get to that point because it is

1093
00:40:35,769 --> 00:40:37,860
true. Nobody is born

1094
00:40:38,315 --> 00:40:40,994
a racist. Doesn't see know your is once

1095
00:40:41,433 --> 00:40:41,672
No.

1096
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:43,927
Especially when you see

1097
00:40:44,703 --> 00:40:45,740
you see children,

1098
00:40:46,219 --> 00:40:49,409
babies existing. Yeah. Together. Yeah.

1099
00:40:50,127 --> 00:40:53,410
They do not have any concept of it.

1100
00:40:54,525 --> 00:40:56,437
So... Well, it's somewhere.

1101
00:40:57,473 --> 00:40:59,239
Trump as an example. Again and all the

1102
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,465
people who love Trump. I'm not dis you.

1103
00:41:01,942 --> 00:41:04,089
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I'm just

1104
00:41:04,089 --> 00:41:05,441
using this as an example.

1105
00:41:06,649 --> 00:41:08,407
The thing is is, you know, when when

1106
00:41:08,407 --> 00:41:10,085
he started things started really cooking,

1107
00:41:10,885 --> 00:41:12,083
they they started to get the,

1108
00:41:13,042 --> 00:41:15,655
the nazi, you know, the Hitler reference back

1109
00:41:15,694 --> 00:41:17,443
and forth with Trump, like, always like Hitler.

1110
00:41:18,318 --> 00:41:18,954
Yeah. I heard that.

1111
00:41:20,147 --> 00:41:21,601
And it's funny because

1112
00:41:22,532 --> 00:41:24,440
yeah speaking to that you have to be

1113
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,258
taught, but

1114
00:41:25,648 --> 00:41:27,320
guess who's doing all the teaching these days.

1115
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:29,152
It's not it's such as the parents. It's

1116
00:41:29,152 --> 00:41:32,916
the media. It's it's social media and it's

1117
00:41:32,974 --> 00:41:33,452
news.

1118
00:41:34,024 --> 00:41:36,891
And honest to god, it's private prem television.

1119
00:41:37,289 --> 00:41:39,997
You watch... I don't... You know, like, you

1120
00:41:39,997 --> 00:41:41,510
turn on... I don't know any of these

1121
00:41:41,590 --> 00:41:43,833
Cr shows. You turn on Most of these

1122
00:41:43,833 --> 00:41:46,296
shows Yeah. And who's the perpetrator. Is it

1123
00:41:46,296 --> 00:41:49,078
a nice looking white new? Right. Not so

1124
00:41:49,078 --> 00:41:51,397
much. Right Yeah. I mean, they've they've kinda

1125
00:41:51,397 --> 00:41:53,460
now they're... It's, you know, latinos or the

1126
00:41:53,460 --> 00:41:55,206
bad guys or whatever it is or Muslims,

1127
00:41:55,682 --> 00:41:58,158
you know, that makes me insane. Because I

1128
00:41:58,158 --> 00:42:01,172
have plenty of lovely Muslim friends who wouldn't

1129
00:42:01,172 --> 00:42:03,101
hurt to fly, of course. And

1130
00:42:03,553 --> 00:42:05,457
they're scared out of their wits right now.

1131
00:42:05,616 --> 00:42:08,344
Of course. Scared of you know we with

1132
00:42:08,344 --> 00:42:11,385
their their families and and the people we

1133
00:42:11,385 --> 00:42:12,605
know and exist

1134
00:42:12,985 --> 00:42:15,800
with... We are all in the same date

1135
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,639
in the same state as what is going

1136
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:17,880
on.

1137
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:19,260
And it's,

1138
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,039
you know, it's who... For, you know, and

1139
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:22,440
for me,

1140
00:42:23,651 --> 00:42:26,833
it's who I don't know that oftentimes I

1141
00:42:26,833 --> 00:42:28,685
am Lee of, and,

1142
00:42:29,060 --> 00:42:29,378
you know,

1143
00:42:30,666 --> 00:42:32,281
and I know that I have been lucky

1144
00:42:32,736 --> 00:42:35,681
to have been surrounded by people, even growing

1145
00:42:35,681 --> 00:42:36,476
up in the south,

1146
00:42:37,113 --> 00:42:38,558
even in the mid of all these things

1147
00:42:38,558 --> 00:42:40,699
that have happened. And, you know, that I

1148
00:42:40,699 --> 00:42:43,157
can say, I've my stories to tell. Yeah.

1149
00:42:43,395 --> 00:42:44,981
You know, and I'm not saying there has

1150
00:42:44,981 --> 00:42:45,750
never been

1151
00:42:46,268 --> 00:42:47,326
an outright,

1152
00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:48,739
you know,

1153
00:42:50,334 --> 00:42:51,870
scenario where I have experienced

1154
00:42:52,407 --> 00:42:54,422
racism from people

1155
00:42:54,814 --> 00:42:56,173
you know, who are not my skin color,

1156
00:42:56,333 --> 00:42:58,171
because I have definitely experienced that as well.

1157
00:42:59,529 --> 00:43:01,447
But when I was older and wiser and

1158
00:43:01,447 --> 00:43:04,460
also able to know that that... I'm so

1159
00:43:04,739 --> 00:43:06,731
that I learned. It's in seventh grade that

1160
00:43:06,731 --> 00:43:08,506
that comes from a place of

1161
00:43:09,122 --> 00:43:10,260
of fear

1162
00:43:10,637 --> 00:43:12,093
and of self

1163
00:43:12,963 --> 00:43:13,362
judgment.

1164
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:14,000
Yeah.

1165
00:43:15,037 --> 00:43:16,313
In in an interesting way.

1166
00:43:18,546 --> 00:43:21,179
But the south gets, you know, south gets

1167
00:43:21,179 --> 00:43:23,583
bullied up for being filled up with the

1168
00:43:23,583 --> 00:43:25,652
with the racism and all that, but I

1169
00:43:25,652 --> 00:43:27,960
come from Washington state, and you go over

1170
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,573
the mountains to Easter Washington

1171
00:43:30,364 --> 00:43:32,924
plenty of that there too. I mean, it's

1172
00:43:32,924 --> 00:43:33,424
it's

1173
00:43:33,724 --> 00:43:36,444
it has no boundary. It doesn't. It's everywhere.

1174
00:43:36,605 --> 00:43:37,885
Right. It doesn't make a difference.

1175
00:43:38,459 --> 00:43:40,846
Yeah. And I do believe that it definitely

1176
00:43:40,846 --> 00:43:43,233
comes from what you don't know. It is

1177
00:43:43,233 --> 00:43:45,541
the ignorance thing again. Well, I think you

1178
00:43:45,541 --> 00:43:47,465
spoke it so well and you said that

1179
00:43:47,465 --> 00:43:48,839
other kids in your school

1180
00:43:49,214 --> 00:43:51,123
with your same skin tone as you put

1181
00:43:51,123 --> 00:43:53,111
it, you know, would point at you and

1182
00:43:53,111 --> 00:43:55,598
say, well, balance from Africa. Right. At least

1183
00:43:55,598 --> 00:43:58,315
down not from Africa. Right. And I think

1184
00:43:58,315 --> 00:43:58,815
that

1185
00:43:59,354 --> 00:44:02,151
that is an unfortunate It's that... What is

1186
00:44:02,151 --> 00:44:04,719
that old poem see I keep using Hitler

1187
00:44:04,878 --> 00:44:07,105
It's such a great example. You know, the

1188
00:44:07,184 --> 00:44:09,411
Nazis, you know, came through and asked for

1189
00:44:09,411 --> 00:44:10,603
the Jews, and I was in a jews.

1190
00:44:10,921 --> 00:44:12,530
I didn't say anything. And came through and

1191
00:44:12,530 --> 00:44:13,969
asked for the black. I was in black.

1192
00:44:14,050 --> 00:44:15,170
So I didn't saving anything, And then they

1193
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:16,610
wanted the G, and I was in G,

1194
00:44:16,769 --> 00:44:18,210
so I didn't say it that Yeah. And

1195
00:44:18,210 --> 00:44:20,449
then, eventually, there was nobody left to speak

1196
00:44:20,449 --> 00:44:21,409
out her me. Yeah.

1197
00:44:22,380 --> 00:44:25,661
And again, that's the whole point of freaking

1198
00:44:25,717 --> 00:44:28,180
humanity. Yeah. That's where did we forget. That's

1199
00:44:28,180 --> 00:44:31,067
we are human bean. That's right. And somebody,

1200
00:44:31,306 --> 00:44:32,585
I may joke the other day, and then

1201
00:44:32,744 --> 00:44:34,342
I heard the joke again today from somebody

1202
00:44:34,342 --> 00:44:35,701
else Was like, well, I must be on

1203
00:44:35,701 --> 00:44:37,948
everyone's mind that is it true that the

1204
00:44:37,948 --> 00:44:40,177
only way to unify us as a world?

1205
00:44:41,291 --> 00:44:42,882
Is for an alien invasion.

1206
00:44:43,838 --> 00:44:45,628
Just like that raining

1207
00:44:47,761 --> 00:44:49,117
Ring it on.

1208
00:44:49,755 --> 00:44:50,255
Honestly

1209
00:44:50,793 --> 00:44:51,612
like they're?

1210
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:53,144
That's really weird

1211
00:44:53,523 --> 00:44:56,501
bringing it on because that would definitely

1212
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:57,599
unify. I'm like,

1213
00:44:58,398 --> 00:45:01,115
I believe it's it's black is an African

1214
00:45:01,275 --> 00:45:03,683
American don't even know anymore. I'm so... For

1215
00:45:03,683 --> 00:45:05,995
myself. Sure. Yeah. Well, you know... So when

1216
00:45:05,995 --> 00:45:07,749
I when I became a citizen in my

1217
00:45:07,749 --> 00:45:09,582
twenties, that's the first time I started calling

1218
00:45:09,582 --> 00:45:12,554
myself in African. Americans. Literally you are. Yeah.

1219
00:45:12,795 --> 00:45:14,394
Because literally, I am,

1220
00:45:15,034 --> 00:45:16,315
you know, and that was always hard for

1221
00:45:16,315 --> 00:45:16,815
me

1222
00:45:17,195 --> 00:45:18,574
before, you know, because

1223
00:45:18,954 --> 00:45:19,454
they're

1224
00:45:20,803 --> 00:45:22,706
because at the time when this was all

1225
00:45:22,706 --> 00:45:24,926
going down where I felt kind of os

1226
00:45:24,926 --> 00:45:26,432
sized in a in a way that I

1227
00:45:26,432 --> 00:45:27,487
didn't understand

1228
00:45:28,433 --> 00:45:29,869
it was the time where the the the

1229
00:45:29,869 --> 00:45:33,061
phrase African American was the used and utilized

1230
00:45:33,061 --> 00:45:33,700
term. Right?

1231
00:45:34,338 --> 00:45:35,376
So I was like, wait.

1232
00:45:36,348 --> 00:45:39,137
You know, I'm African... I'm, like African and

1233
00:45:39,137 --> 00:45:40,592
you are African American.

1234
00:45:41,288 --> 00:45:43,359
So how is this such a different thing,

1235
00:45:43,518 --> 00:45:45,532
why do we differ so much? But

1236
00:45:45,844 --> 00:45:48,469
So I was African, and then I became

1237
00:45:48,628 --> 00:45:51,332
African American ever since I was little filling

1238
00:45:51,332 --> 00:45:54,489
out these consensus things and filling out these

1239
00:45:55,168 --> 00:45:56,926
test scores. Is a very good go. Yeah.

1240
00:45:57,246 --> 00:45:59,563
I just was... What I would see these

1241
00:45:59,563 --> 00:46:02,134
terms, They didn't have anything for me. They

1242
00:46:02,134 --> 00:46:03,912
didn't have anything for me

1243
00:46:04,371 --> 00:46:04,871
because

1244
00:46:05,650 --> 00:46:07,647
also, when... You know, back in the day

1245
00:46:07,647 --> 00:46:09,539
when I was little and and coming up

1246
00:46:10,215 --> 00:46:10,852
in school,

1247
00:46:12,045 --> 00:46:14,432
I think the forms have changed now, but

1248
00:46:14,432 --> 00:46:15,068
at the time,

1249
00:46:16,023 --> 00:46:17,072
it was white,

1250
00:46:18,106 --> 00:46:18,424
black,

1251
00:46:19,777 --> 00:46:20,675
Pacific island,

1252
00:46:22,641 --> 00:46:23,516
native American,

1253
00:46:24,009 --> 00:46:25,048
they're, Asian,

1254
00:46:25,687 --> 00:46:26,087
Hispanic,

1255
00:46:26,646 --> 00:46:29,043
there were these terms. But the... You know,

1256
00:46:29,283 --> 00:46:32,295
the only ones that had a color association

1257
00:46:32,573 --> 00:46:34,007
were white and black.

1258
00:46:35,282 --> 00:46:37,830
And when I picked up a cray box

1259
00:46:37,830 --> 00:46:39,105
of crayon. Sure.

1260
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:41,118
I colored

1261
00:46:42,543 --> 00:46:45,008
my skin tone brown. It took a brown

1262
00:46:45,008 --> 00:46:47,632
crayon and colored my skin tone brown. I

1263
00:46:47,632 --> 00:46:49,938
took a black crayon and colored my hair.

1264
00:46:51,624 --> 00:46:54,414
You know, or, you know, us shoot doing

1265
00:46:54,414 --> 00:46:56,647
a picture of my friend, Christy Percy Gardner,

1266
00:46:57,125 --> 00:46:59,039
I would take a peach colored Crayon and

1267
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:01,609
color her skin. And take a brown crayon

1268
00:47:01,609 --> 00:47:02,650
and color her hair.

1269
00:47:03,609 --> 00:47:06,650
So I didn't understand why I was made

1270
00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:08,109
to choose a color

1271
00:47:09,381 --> 00:47:11,766
to to deal with that. But but again,

1272
00:47:12,005 --> 00:47:14,231
that was something that was created before my

1273
00:47:14,231 --> 00:47:16,457
time that I was still learning to understand.

1274
00:47:17,108 --> 00:47:19,910
And now I know that the terms

1275
00:47:20,681 --> 00:47:21,815
black and white,

1276
00:47:22,427 --> 00:47:23,800
you know, come from

1277
00:47:25,144 --> 00:47:27,465
a beginning of time almost kind of thing

1278
00:47:27,465 --> 00:47:28,364
where when

1279
00:47:29,545 --> 00:47:31,385
the separation was needed,

1280
00:47:33,318 --> 00:47:34,772
to to differentiate

1281
00:47:35,226 --> 00:47:37,134
slaves versus non slaves,

1282
00:47:38,168 --> 00:47:39,440
good versus evil,

1283
00:47:39,917 --> 00:47:43,432
all these things, these these words these colors

1284
00:47:43,432 --> 00:47:46,140
black and white we're used. And to this

1285
00:47:46,140 --> 00:47:49,269
day, I still find it in our vocabulary

1286
00:47:49,566 --> 00:47:51,278
is you know, you've got,

1287
00:47:51,817 --> 00:47:54,693
you know, the the the the black knight

1288
00:47:54,693 --> 00:47:56,530
is the evil knight. The white knight is

1289
00:47:56,530 --> 00:47:57,584
a good night. You know,

1290
00:47:59,501 --> 00:48:01,599
you scared of the dark codes and

1291
00:48:02,139 --> 00:48:04,855
lights and everything. You know? And there's a

1292
00:48:04,855 --> 00:48:06,543
song that you know, because I grew up,

1293
00:48:07,339 --> 00:48:07,817
I grew up,

1294
00:48:08,692 --> 00:48:10,921
Christian, and there's a song that we would

1295
00:48:10,921 --> 00:48:11,717
sing in church.

1296
00:48:12,751 --> 00:48:15,397
Over blood of Jesus, it washes white as

1297
00:48:15,397 --> 00:48:18,427
snow. And every time in my mind, I

1298
00:48:18,427 --> 00:48:22,150
would say, how can blood wash white? That

1299
00:48:22,269 --> 00:48:25,211
makes no sense, and that's how I knew

1300
00:48:25,211 --> 00:48:26,643
it was a social program.

1301
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:29,664
So I've always fought against that social program

1302
00:48:29,664 --> 00:48:32,574
because I think that there is a subconscious

1303
00:48:32,714 --> 00:48:33,214
way

1304
00:48:34,234 --> 00:48:35,454
that we do

1305
00:48:36,714 --> 00:48:37,694
continue forward

1306
00:48:38,008 --> 00:48:39,040
in our society.

1307
00:48:39,754 --> 00:48:40,254
So

1308
00:48:40,706 --> 00:48:42,237
I am a person who,

1309
00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:44,276
you know, if if you want to in

1310
00:48:44,276 --> 00:48:45,704
need... If you feel the need to call

1311
00:48:45,704 --> 00:48:46,181
me a color,

1312
00:48:47,070 --> 00:48:48,979
call me a color by a cray box.

1313
00:48:49,218 --> 00:48:51,922
We are all colored. Yeah. Right. If you're

1314
00:48:51,922 --> 00:48:53,767
using a cray box. Sure. Yeah.

1315
00:48:54,483 --> 00:48:54,983
So

1316
00:48:55,358 --> 00:48:56,790
so that's... You know, that's what I... So

1317
00:48:56,869 --> 00:48:58,460
I say I say brown and people like,

1318
00:48:58,619 --> 00:49:00,344
oh, brown people are Indian. And it's a

1319
00:49:00,464 --> 00:49:02,055
Was like no. Brown people are Hispanic. I'm

1320
00:49:02,055 --> 00:49:04,680
like, no. Wow Indian people are Indian. The

1321
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,668
ground. Greenish brown. Yeah. It's like, Indian.

1322
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:08,760
You know, it's like everyone wants to be

1323
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,599
like, oh, brown people are Spanish It's like

1324
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:12,760
a simple football. But you know Hispanic people

1325
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,320
are Hispanic. Indian people are Indian. Right?

1326
00:49:16,533 --> 00:49:17,972
Why is it that white people are white

1327
00:49:17,972 --> 00:49:19,250
and black people are black? And I know

1328
00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:20,688
that it's because, oh, it's so hard to

1329
00:49:20,688 --> 00:49:22,445
kind of see everyone and classify them in

1330
00:49:22,445 --> 00:49:24,771
their own original way. You know, but it's

1331
00:49:24,771 --> 00:49:26,202
like, okay. Well, then if you have to

1332
00:49:26,202 --> 00:49:28,112
choose a color, can we choose the real

1333
00:49:28,112 --> 00:49:31,153
car? This is my frustration with what you're

1334
00:49:31,153 --> 00:49:33,391
saying right now, it it's... It makes so

1335
00:49:33,391 --> 00:49:36,107
much sense. And I get frustrated when I

1336
00:49:36,107 --> 00:49:37,945
hear, especially when I hear why white people

1337
00:49:37,945 --> 00:49:38,105
say.

1338
00:49:38,757 --> 00:49:40,746
Well, they just... Why are they so worried

1339
00:49:40,746 --> 00:49:41,382
about this. I'm like,

1340
00:49:42,576 --> 00:49:43,076
try

1341
00:49:43,849 --> 00:49:45,918
try being in their shoes for 5 minutes.

1342
00:49:46,475 --> 00:49:47,430
For, I don't know,

1343
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:49,193
567

1344
00:49:49,193 --> 00:49:51,338
hundred years I mean, how long has a...

1345
00:49:51,497 --> 00:49:52,689
You know. Do you know what I mean?

1346
00:49:52,847 --> 00:49:54,516
Yeah. It's not just in America.

1347
00:49:55,088 --> 00:49:57,483
And there's yeah. That's the last 250 year.

1348
00:49:57,643 --> 00:49:59,798
I mean, yeah. The thing is is everyone

1349
00:49:59,798 --> 00:49:59,878
is...

1350
00:50:01,474 --> 00:50:02,911
1 of the things I wanted to talk

1351
00:50:02,911 --> 00:50:05,402
about today was perspective on all the stuff

1352
00:50:05,402 --> 00:50:07,080
going on out there with the Black lives

1353
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,838
matter, and then that immediate,

1354
00:50:09,398 --> 00:50:10,057
I think.

1355
00:50:10,916 --> 00:50:13,394
It kinda gross respond of all lives matter.

1356
00:50:13,632 --> 00:50:15,534
Yeah. Well no shit. All lives matter. Of

1357
00:50:15,534 --> 00:50:17,777
course, all lives matter, but you're missing

1358
00:50:18,148 --> 00:50:18,862
the points. Yeah.

1359
00:50:19,593 --> 00:50:22,326
Yeah. And it's so easy for somebody who

1360
00:50:22,544 --> 00:50:25,016
looks like me. Be like, law, lives matter,

1361
00:50:25,176 --> 00:50:26,293
and, you know, what... Why...

1362
00:50:27,170 --> 00:50:29,059
Well, there's a reason why we need to

1363
00:50:29,179 --> 00:50:32,039
say black lives matter or, you know, whatever.

1364
00:50:32,198 --> 00:50:34,184
There's a there's a yeah. Real reason for

1365
00:50:34,184 --> 00:50:35,638
that. There is a discrepancy

1366
00:50:36,409 --> 00:50:38,727
in that being a true reality,

1367
00:50:39,917 --> 00:50:41,369
and being something that,

1368
00:50:41,822 --> 00:50:43,885
you know, is expressed in the way we

1369
00:50:43,885 --> 00:50:46,288
live and the way we we view things

1370
00:50:46,288 --> 00:50:49,245
and and and the way our interactions are,

1371
00:50:49,885 --> 00:50:50,385
and

1372
00:50:51,563 --> 00:50:54,360
even statistics, the way statistics are laid out,

1373
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,567
like, you know, going back for a millisecond

1374
00:50:57,567 --> 00:50:57,806
to,

1375
00:50:58,923 --> 00:51:00,518
even the way health insurance works,

1376
00:51:01,714 --> 00:51:05,039
they list, you know, African Americans as

1377
00:51:05,397 --> 00:51:08,259
being more prone to diabetes and more prone

1378
00:51:08,259 --> 00:51:11,065
to heart disease and things like that. So

1379
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,472
the older I get,

1380
00:51:13,123 --> 00:51:15,591
they're gonna continue put me oh, she's she's

1381
00:51:15,591 --> 00:51:17,581
1 year older. So now, you know, because

1382
00:51:17,581 --> 00:51:19,571
you know what? 1 day, she's probably gonna

1383
00:51:19,571 --> 00:51:20,310
have diabetes.

1384
00:51:20,686 --> 00:51:23,110
She's gonna have heart disease, and that is

1385
00:51:23,564 --> 00:51:24,064
so

1386
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:26,587
not a progressive mind to thought. That's not

1387
00:51:26,666 --> 00:51:26,746
No.

1388
00:51:27,621 --> 00:51:30,500
10 It doesn't take a mind soc economics.

1389
00:51:30,739 --> 00:51:32,273
I mean, a white person

1390
00:51:32,648 --> 00:51:35,034
who eats like crap because maybe that's all

1391
00:51:35,034 --> 00:51:36,760
they can afford because let's be honest, poor

1392
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,199
people Yeah. Eat, like, crap because they can't

1393
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:41,920
afford the organic food and the healthy food.

1394
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,855
So they eat crappy food. Mh. And they

1395
00:51:44,974 --> 00:51:46,884
going to be pre just, you know, they're

1396
00:51:46,884 --> 00:51:50,306
they're predisposed to get diabetes and Right. Heart

1397
00:51:50,306 --> 00:51:52,590
attacks. And, you know, all that stuff. But

1398
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:54,630
again, like you were saying. It's a you.

1399
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:57,829
Yeah. You've been placed into this little tiny

1400
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:58,230
box.

1401
00:51:59,190 --> 00:52:01,525
It's ridiculous. And it frustrate the crap on.

1402
00:52:01,765 --> 00:52:03,605
Yeah. It's so about. It's it's it's it's

1403
00:52:03,605 --> 00:52:06,644
really frustrating. I have so so many thoughts

1404
00:52:06,644 --> 00:52:08,644
on all of that you just said, but

1405
00:52:08,804 --> 00:52:10,664
I think if we have another

1406
00:52:11,693 --> 00:52:13,760
another cast where we're talk about food. I

1407
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,144
would love to dig into that separately. You're

1408
00:52:16,144 --> 00:52:17,892
a big chef person Well. I'm am a

1409
00:52:17,892 --> 00:52:18,344
cook

1410
00:52:18,783 --> 00:52:20,298
Seriously we can cook and shuffle voice.

1411
00:52:21,016 --> 00:52:23,489
Well, the main difference is training. Oh is

1412
00:52:23,489 --> 00:52:24,286
professional training. Okay.

1413
00:52:25,244 --> 00:52:26,462
And you also

1414
00:52:26,839 --> 00:52:28,329
have to clock certain amount an hours where

1415
00:52:28,449 --> 00:52:30,441
cook for people. And then you become a

1416
00:52:30,441 --> 00:52:32,592
chef. Yeah. But, you know, the the main

1417
00:52:32,592 --> 00:52:35,380
the main thing is to have professional training.

1418
00:52:35,874 --> 00:52:37,632
Okay. It's is the big 1, but but

1419
00:52:37,632 --> 00:52:39,091
but also in an equally

1420
00:52:39,630 --> 00:52:42,027
large part of it is is cooking for

1421
00:52:42,027 --> 00:52:44,518
people, like, in public. Like, cooking full. We're

1422
00:52:44,518 --> 00:52:46,669
cooking for other people and not just, you

1423
00:52:46,669 --> 00:52:48,740
know, you're cook. Like, and even some people

1424
00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:51,264
who are trained, I have friends who are

1425
00:52:51,624 --> 00:52:54,580
trained and culinary school, and they will not

1426
00:52:54,580 --> 00:52:56,817
call themselves a chef, You know, if they're,

1427
00:52:56,977 --> 00:52:58,789
you know, if they're private cooks or whatever

1428
00:52:58,909 --> 00:53:00,128
all these different things, but

1429
00:53:01,144 --> 00:53:02,581
I'm still trying to sort it through and

1430
00:53:02,581 --> 00:53:03,938
sort it out, but I know that all

1431
00:53:03,938 --> 00:53:06,252
of my my friends who are in the

1432
00:53:06,252 --> 00:53:09,565
the food industry they really looked down on

1433
00:53:10,265 --> 00:53:12,585
on when people will call themselves chefs. They'll

1434
00:53:12,585 --> 00:53:14,184
be like, I'm a cook. Or, you know,

1435
00:53:14,505 --> 00:53:16,748
chefs you know, are a certain thing. You

1436
00:53:16,748 --> 00:53:18,577
know, there's there's a hierarchy to it. I'm

1437
00:53:18,577 --> 00:53:19,689
still trying to learn it. All I know

1438
00:53:19,689 --> 00:53:20,564
is I'd love to.

1439
00:53:21,041 --> 00:53:23,425
Right. They're, you know, and I'd love to

1440
00:53:23,425 --> 00:53:25,030
talk about that more. Unit 1 day. Yeah.

1441
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:25,508
Sure.

1442
00:53:27,259 --> 00:53:28,555
You know, but back to

1443
00:53:28,930 --> 00:53:31,557
I identify myself with it all now.

1444
00:53:32,367 --> 00:53:34,276
Because, you know, what I'd also realized the

1445
00:53:34,276 --> 00:53:35,969
more and more I learn about

1446
00:53:36,344 --> 00:53:37,878
my American culture

1447
00:53:38,570 --> 00:53:40,733
because I am now also an American I

1448
00:53:40,733 --> 00:53:42,880
chose that when I was in my early

1449
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:43,197
twenties.

1450
00:53:43,755 --> 00:53:45,050
So I very much

1451
00:53:45,424 --> 00:53:47,731
studied it in a way that when Maya

1452
00:53:47,810 --> 00:53:50,532
Angelo says black. When doctor mountain luther for

1453
00:53:50,692 --> 00:53:52,046
King Junior said black.

1454
00:53:53,162 --> 00:53:55,154
You know, that, yes, these were terms that

1455
00:53:55,154 --> 00:53:55,893
were given

1456
00:53:56,523 --> 00:53:57,579
to our people

1457
00:53:58,271 --> 00:53:58,771
to

1458
00:53:59,463 --> 00:54:01,289
to put us to, to, you know, to

1459
00:54:01,289 --> 00:54:03,355
put us in this place and in this

1460
00:54:03,355 --> 00:54:05,840
lower position, it's, like, you know, nigga,

1461
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,500
black, like these things is that were given

1462
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:11,619
to say what we were, but to also

1463
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:12,500
differentiate

1464
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:13,655
us from

1465
00:54:14,648 --> 00:54:17,034
you know, another person, another people.

1466
00:54:18,385 --> 00:54:20,930
It's a reclaiming. It's almost a reclaiming of

1467
00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:21,486
the word.

1468
00:54:21,900 --> 00:54:24,320
Which I am learning and discovering, even though

1469
00:54:24,539 --> 00:54:25,840
you know, I can't say

1470
00:54:26,460 --> 00:54:28,219
I can't say that I am saying, like,

1471
00:54:28,380 --> 00:54:30,951
okay. Even though I under stand that it's

1472
00:54:30,951 --> 00:54:33,981
a reclaiming because of the oppression that was

1473
00:54:33,981 --> 00:54:35,736
put on a person. You know,

1474
00:54:37,092 --> 00:54:39,506
it's something that I still... I'm working through

1475
00:54:39,739 --> 00:54:42,233
how I feel about it, but I understand

1476
00:54:42,451 --> 00:54:45,402
the use of taking the word black and

1477
00:54:45,402 --> 00:54:47,635
making it a positive and not a negative.

1478
00:54:47,875 --> 00:54:50,917
I very much understand now more than ever,

1479
00:54:51,554 --> 00:54:53,963
where that comes from and why that's important

1480
00:54:54,498 --> 00:54:56,725
to say black lives matter because you know

1481
00:54:56,725 --> 00:54:58,690
what? The majority of people don't think is

1482
00:54:58,889 --> 00:54:59,288
I think,

1483
00:54:59,927 --> 00:55:02,242
don't perceive like, oh, we're all colored.

1484
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:05,594
If I got up on the... The... At

1485
00:55:05,594 --> 00:55:07,212
the capital building downtown,

1486
00:55:08,164 --> 00:55:09,764
and got a bull and said, we are

1487
00:55:09,764 --> 00:55:11,844
all colored. We are all colored. We're all

1488
00:55:11,844 --> 00:55:12,085
colored.

1489
00:55:12,964 --> 00:55:15,125
Everyone would have a differing differing opinion, but

1490
00:55:15,125 --> 00:55:15,925
most people would say,

1491
00:55:17,699 --> 00:55:19,612
hell to the no. I'm not colored because

1492
00:55:19,612 --> 00:55:21,367
they don't want what comes with that term.

1493
00:55:21,686 --> 00:55:23,360
And there are other people that would also

1494
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,434
say, hell to the no. They're not colored

1495
00:55:25,434 --> 00:55:26,844
because they don't know what we've gone through

1496
00:55:26,963 --> 00:55:29,029
being called colored a whole lives. Did you

1497
00:55:29,029 --> 00:55:30,856
have a colored bathroom? Did you have a

1498
00:55:30,856 --> 00:55:31,356
colored

1499
00:55:32,128 --> 00:55:33,240
restaurant diner counter?

1500
00:55:34,208 --> 00:55:35,027
There's there's

1501
00:55:35,561 --> 00:55:35,799
differentiation.

1502
00:55:36,515 --> 00:55:37,254
So you,

1503
00:55:37,708 --> 00:55:39,220
you know, you can't just say, oh, we're

1504
00:55:39,220 --> 00:55:41,606
all this and then not expect people who

1505
00:55:41,606 --> 00:55:43,848
have experienced the history tree of it. Right.

1506
00:55:44,086 --> 00:55:46,231
And know what that history is to say

1507
00:55:46,231 --> 00:55:48,296
that it's equal that you can just gloss

1508
00:55:48,296 --> 00:55:49,670
over it. But

1509
00:55:50,219 --> 00:55:52,614
it's still a struggle for me because in

1510
00:55:52,614 --> 00:55:53,912
the same way that,

1511
00:55:54,450 --> 00:55:56,924
you know, we're trying to take backwards words

1512
00:55:56,924 --> 00:55:58,920
and take the negativity out of them and

1513
00:55:58,920 --> 00:55:59,892
make positive.

1514
00:56:01,008 --> 00:56:04,675
I struggle with people trying to reclaim the

1515
00:56:04,675 --> 00:56:04,994
inward.

1516
00:56:05,712 --> 00:56:07,567
I really struggle with that personally

1517
00:56:08,278 --> 00:56:10,270
You know, But it's, like, like, ra culture

1518
00:56:10,270 --> 00:56:12,820
or something or Whomever. Yeah. Not just even

1519
00:56:12,820 --> 00:56:14,653
rap culture, I mean it's used in in

1520
00:56:14,653 --> 00:56:15,370
our communities.

1521
00:56:15,943 --> 00:56:17,540
It's not... You know, I definitely... Like, I'm

1522
00:56:17,540 --> 00:56:19,297
not a person who says, like, oh, it's

1523
00:56:19,297 --> 00:56:21,532
this this, you know, this person started or

1524
00:56:21,532 --> 00:56:22,969
that person started it or whatever.

1525
00:56:23,688 --> 00:56:25,226
You know, because I

1526
00:56:26,019 --> 00:56:27,860
I feel that it is just in is

1527
00:56:27,860 --> 00:56:28,920
so ingrained

1528
00:56:29,619 --> 00:56:30,119
in

1529
00:56:30,820 --> 00:56:31,300
society,

1530
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:33,940
this word and it, you know,

1531
00:56:34,993 --> 00:56:35,970
in in every

1532
00:56:36,425 --> 00:56:36,925
society

1533
00:56:37,301 --> 00:56:38,813
without saying too much. I'll say that.

1534
00:56:39,689 --> 00:56:40,963
But it's something that I struggle with and

1535
00:56:41,042 --> 00:56:42,610
I'm like, I don't really want to

1536
00:56:43,128 --> 00:56:44,743
reclaim a word that was

1537
00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:45,699
gifted.

1538
00:56:46,234 --> 00:56:47,212
Shall we say

1539
00:56:47,907 --> 00:56:49,739
too much to to to to, you know,

1540
00:56:49,899 --> 00:56:52,025
people of the certain skin color to my

1541
00:56:52,623 --> 00:56:53,181
skin color,

1542
00:56:56,531 --> 00:56:59,402
should say that, you know, you are negative,

1543
00:56:59,721 --> 00:57:01,896
and you do not deserve

1544
00:57:02,684 --> 00:57:05,306
equal respect. I don't want to reclaim that

1545
00:57:05,306 --> 00:57:05,544
word.

1546
00:57:06,735 --> 00:57:07,053
You know,

1547
00:57:08,641 --> 00:57:10,944
but I would love to also spend more

1548
00:57:10,944 --> 00:57:11,444
time

1549
00:57:11,834 --> 00:57:13,134
having conversations

1550
00:57:13,592 --> 00:57:14,092
with

1551
00:57:14,552 --> 00:57:17,588
anybody who does say that word as a

1552
00:57:17,588 --> 00:57:19,826
reclaiming word. Like, I would love to sit

1553
00:57:19,826 --> 00:57:21,559
down with Jay z and have a converse

1554
00:57:21,759 --> 00:57:24,017
station. And I think that he would probably

1555
00:57:24,316 --> 00:57:25,754
educate me on some things that I haven't

1556
00:57:25,754 --> 00:57:28,311
thought about. Alright, Cheesy. If you're listening. Yeah.

1557
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:31,427
Yeah. Me with he could be listening right

1558
00:57:31,427 --> 00:57:33,251
now right now. You know, and I really...

1559
00:57:33,489 --> 00:57:35,655
That's the thing. Is I I respect him

1560
00:57:35,789 --> 00:57:37,393
so much. So I'm like, you know what?

1561
00:57:37,632 --> 00:57:39,143
The Could sit down and talk to him.

1562
00:57:39,462 --> 00:57:40,336
Maybe there'd...

1563
00:57:40,734 --> 00:57:42,882
I would see a reason. That's just stuff

1564
00:57:42,882 --> 00:57:45,005
to me that's such an important thing that

1565
00:57:45,124 --> 00:57:47,859
dialogue is everything. Yeah. The dialogue is everything

1566
00:57:47,998 --> 00:57:50,952
because we cannot... The only way I can

1567
00:57:50,952 --> 00:57:53,746
perceive you Ruby. Mh. Is through all of

1568
00:57:53,746 --> 00:57:55,911
my own experiences Right. It's the only way

1569
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:57,976
I can understand you. Mh And for me

1570
00:57:57,976 --> 00:57:59,246
to say, oh, I get what you're saying.

1571
00:57:59,485 --> 00:58:01,233
Mh. I'm not really? Because I'm not you.

1572
00:58:01,471 --> 00:58:02,980
You know? Right I can't be in your

1573
00:58:02,980 --> 00:58:04,903
mind or your body your soul. So I...

1574
00:58:05,541 --> 00:58:07,158
All I can do is sort of

1575
00:58:07,854 --> 00:58:09,290
it's like a little bit of a guess

1576
00:58:09,290 --> 00:58:11,443
work thing Yeah. Right? So I I agree.

1577
00:58:11,682 --> 00:58:13,437
It's important to go to the store for

1578
00:58:13,437 --> 00:58:17,038
sac conversation Yes. The conversation is so... Even

1579
00:58:17,038 --> 00:58:19,029
if you don't agree important. Yeah. Here are

1580
00:58:19,029 --> 00:58:21,202
the words coming from the person that is

1581
00:58:21,513 --> 00:58:23,497
the 1 saying. And instead of reading about

1582
00:58:23,497 --> 00:58:26,513
it or are we're getting your information secondhand

1583
00:58:26,513 --> 00:58:26,751
hand,

1584
00:58:27,783 --> 00:58:29,864
again speaking to the black lives matter somehow

1585
00:58:29,864 --> 00:58:31,637
it's being bastard and being

1586
00:58:32,012 --> 00:58:34,478
meaning, you know, oh, the Black lives matter

1587
00:58:34,478 --> 00:58:36,959
movement just wants to you know, shoot at

1588
00:58:36,959 --> 00:58:38,551
cops or something or You know what Say

1589
00:58:38,551 --> 00:58:40,701
his Does who the... And that that is

1590
00:58:40,701 --> 00:58:42,611
not a part. That's like saying at all.

1591
00:58:42,849 --> 00:58:45,569
Oh, Of course not ridiculous And unfortunate the

1592
00:58:45,569 --> 00:58:47,159
ignorance that is per protruding.

1593
00:58:47,954 --> 00:58:48,852
And I just,

1594
00:58:49,465 --> 00:58:49,783
you know,

1595
00:58:50,896 --> 00:58:53,215
I just know that it's going to be

1596
00:58:53,215 --> 00:58:55,382
1 person at a time in terms of

1597
00:58:55,518 --> 00:58:57,740
education. Yeah. It's really going be 1 person

1598
00:58:57,740 --> 00:59:00,043
at a time, you know, and with all

1599
00:59:00,043 --> 00:59:01,889
that is going on and you know, and

1600
00:59:01,969 --> 00:59:03,250
I wanna talk a minute about,

1601
00:59:05,329 --> 00:59:05,730
you know,

1602
00:59:06,690 --> 00:59:09,465
the the crimes that are going on that

1603
00:59:10,785 --> 00:59:12,244
that cops are committing

1604
00:59:13,025 --> 00:59:15,425
within the community and then the community also

1605
00:59:15,425 --> 00:59:18,325
then re... In the retaliation retaliation committing

1606
00:59:18,958 --> 00:59:20,095
as well. And,

1607
00:59:21,425 --> 00:59:23,835
you know, this is something for me that

1608
00:59:24,927 --> 00:59:26,770
it breaks my heart on every level.

1609
00:59:27,485 --> 00:59:28,675
And on both sides.

1610
00:59:29,786 --> 00:59:31,001
Have I experienced

1611
00:59:31,533 --> 00:59:32,350
law enforcement,

1612
00:59:32,962 --> 00:59:34,628
who has abused power? Yes.

1613
00:59:35,915 --> 00:59:36,074
Have

1614
00:59:36,790 --> 00:59:38,165
Experienced law enforcement

1615
00:59:38,540 --> 00:59:39,835
who has upheld

1616
00:59:40,210 --> 00:59:41,108
their responsibility?

1617
00:59:42,374 --> 00:59:44,289
To serve the people? Yes.

1618
00:59:45,646 --> 00:59:48,381
What have Experience more of the latter

1619
00:59:48,998 --> 00:59:51,989
of the good. Of the good. So when

1620
00:59:52,048 --> 00:59:55,824
when now I'm hearing because of some poisoned

1621
00:59:55,963 --> 00:59:58,760
apples and some rotten apples within the system.

1622
00:59:59,654 --> 01:00:01,724
Who are making things a terrible place and

1623
01:00:01,804 --> 01:00:03,555
I get so angry about that.

1624
01:00:05,386 --> 01:00:06,523
I also feel

1625
01:00:07,137 --> 01:00:07,637
that

1626
01:00:07,949 --> 01:00:10,017
you cannot generalize and say,

1627
01:00:11,211 --> 01:00:12,802
we're are all this way. They are all

1628
01:00:12,802 --> 01:00:14,474
this way. Just in the same way,

1629
01:00:15,443 --> 01:00:16,580
that some idiots

1630
01:00:17,195 --> 01:00:18,729
who are shooting cops

1631
01:00:19,821 --> 01:00:20,696
because they're angry.

1632
01:00:21,253 --> 01:00:23,815
Right that does not just about going on.

1633
01:00:24,292 --> 01:00:26,599
But unfortunately, now a lot of people are

1634
01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:29,542
clump all. Of course. That's what we do.

1635
01:00:29,781 --> 01:00:32,184
It's like the thing. It's just like you

1636
01:00:32,184 --> 01:00:33,964
know, the... It's... It happens

1637
01:00:34,344 --> 01:00:36,445
all the time. Really. And it's so frustrating

1638
01:00:36,505 --> 01:00:38,764
because the people that are shooting at cops

1639
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:41,789
That's wrong. Period. And you're probably showing people

1640
01:00:41,789 --> 01:00:43,703
that are good police officers. So really you're

1641
01:00:43,703 --> 01:00:45,935
navigating innovating your own cause because you're gonna

1642
01:00:45,935 --> 01:00:48,179
take out the good cause. Which there are

1643
01:00:48,179 --> 01:00:50,164
way more good cops and there are bad

1644
01:00:50,164 --> 01:00:52,070
props. There are. You know? And but there

1645
01:00:52,070 --> 01:00:53,920
are violent people of every

1646
01:00:54,452 --> 01:00:55,667
car and creed

1647
01:00:56,041 --> 01:00:58,914
religion and whatever. And they do not represent

1648
01:00:58,914 --> 01:01:01,932
the the whole. Right? But the media, that's

1649
01:01:01,932 --> 01:01:03,918
not A good freaking story. Isn't it? No.

1650
01:01:04,157 --> 01:01:05,689
It's not, you know, And

1651
01:01:06,954 --> 01:01:08,712
I heard something today. I was saying... I

1652
01:01:08,712 --> 01:01:10,311
like the Joe Rogan podcast.

1653
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:12,628
I'm not really into the M mma fighting

1654
01:01:12,628 --> 01:01:13,987
thing which he talks a lot about, but

1655
01:01:13,987 --> 01:01:16,085
he has some really interesting guests and

1656
01:01:16,399 --> 01:01:17,438
I listen to 1 today.

1657
01:01:18,477 --> 01:01:21,193
His name was Michael Schmidt. Mh. And, they

1658
01:01:21,193 --> 01:01:22,152
were talking about...

1659
01:01:23,032 --> 01:01:24,390
Oh, shoot. There goes my train of thought.

1660
01:01:24,550 --> 01:01:26,315
Just numbers. Is that thinking about all the

1661
01:01:26,315 --> 01:01:28,622
other stuff? They were talking about the, oh,

1662
01:01:29,020 --> 01:01:31,088
Joe Rubin said, you know nobody talks about

1663
01:01:31,088 --> 01:01:33,014
all the great stuff that the police officers

1664
01:01:33,014 --> 01:01:35,484
are doing or that the African American communities

1665
01:01:35,484 --> 01:01:37,317
are doing or whatever. They Yeah. That's a

1666
01:01:37,317 --> 01:01:39,172
good story. But Right. Right

1667
01:01:39,643 --> 01:01:41,954
right. On both sides on all sides. It's

1668
01:01:41,954 --> 01:01:44,583
absolutely. Yeah. And it's just gosh. They wanna

1669
01:01:44,583 --> 01:01:46,630
deal with... Because it's crap. Sell

1670
01:01:47,389 --> 01:01:47,889
sensational

1671
01:01:48,347 --> 01:01:49,306
themselves. Mh.

1672
01:01:50,744 --> 01:01:51,244
Content

1673
01:01:51,623 --> 01:01:54,394
cells. And yeah. You know, of 1 police

1674
01:01:54,514 --> 01:01:57,543
to serve beating the crap a guy or

1675
01:01:57,543 --> 01:01:58,522
shooting a guy

1676
01:01:59,058 --> 01:02:01,609
clearly, in the wrong, the the police officer

1677
01:02:01,609 --> 01:02:04,353
are clearly in the wrong. They're not even,

1678
01:02:04,885 --> 01:02:07,346
you know, amount... The the the bulk of

1679
01:02:07,346 --> 01:02:09,965
the police officers every day, finding the good

1680
01:02:09,965 --> 01:02:12,364
fight, trying to help trying to serve did

1681
01:02:12,364 --> 01:02:13,804
it because they love human humanity, You know,

1682
01:02:13,885 --> 01:02:14,284
whatever.

1683
01:02:14,844 --> 01:02:15,585
Which does...

1684
01:02:16,045 --> 01:02:17,804
No. They don't. And which... This is the

1685
01:02:17,804 --> 01:02:19,724
thing, like, I think everyone is, like, which

1686
01:02:19,724 --> 01:02:22,212
does not discount that we have to deal

1687
01:02:22,212 --> 01:02:24,201
with why that happened and how that cannot

1688
01:02:24,201 --> 01:02:26,587
continue to happen. Absolutely. You know? And I

1689
01:02:26,587 --> 01:02:27,326
think that's

1690
01:02:28,273 --> 01:02:30,424
people are mistaken when they think it's gotta

1691
01:02:30,424 --> 01:02:32,496
be 1 or the other. I agree. It

1692
01:02:32,496 --> 01:02:33,771
doesn't have to be 1 or the other.

1693
01:02:34,010 --> 01:02:36,255
It have color be Right. Yeah. That's the

1694
01:02:36,255 --> 01:02:37,768
thing. It has to be... It has to

1695
01:02:37,768 --> 01:02:40,078
be all. You have to deal with it

1696
01:02:40,078 --> 01:02:40,874
all. You can't...

1697
01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:43,582
Gosh, You know what what was it, like,

1698
01:02:44,791 --> 01:02:46,324
To me like, if you

1699
01:02:47,413 --> 01:02:48,231
are angered

1700
01:02:49,559 --> 01:02:51,625
by the shoot it by by cops shooting

1701
01:02:51,625 --> 01:02:52,896
black people but not angered,

1702
01:02:53,547 --> 01:02:56,090
by black people shooting cops. You are also

1703
01:02:56,090 --> 01:02:57,043
part of the problem.

1704
01:02:57,758 --> 01:02:58,496
And that

1705
01:02:59,029 --> 01:03:01,095
that is true. And that is, you know,

1706
01:03:02,940 --> 01:03:05,031
there's, you know, it it

1707
01:03:05,566 --> 01:03:07,555
nearly... There's so many times where I just

1708
01:03:07,555 --> 01:03:09,545
want to burst into tears. You know, Like,

1709
01:03:09,704 --> 01:03:11,137
it nearly brings me to that point.

1710
01:03:12,189 --> 01:03:13,547
When I think about it and when I

1711
01:03:13,547 --> 01:03:15,565
talk about it because I don't

1712
01:03:16,344 --> 01:03:17,782
I don't know what the resolve is gonna

1713
01:03:17,782 --> 01:03:19,961
be because, you know what is pushing this

1714
01:03:20,180 --> 01:03:22,989
is fear. It's all fear.

1715
01:03:23,708 --> 01:03:24,208
Always

1716
01:03:25,224 --> 01:03:25,863
end money,

1717
01:03:26,582 --> 01:03:28,737
but that's fear too. Isn't it? I guess

1718
01:03:28,737 --> 01:03:29,935
it is. Yeah. That's a good point.

1719
01:03:30,668 --> 01:03:30,908
Yeah.

1720
01:03:32,744 --> 01:03:34,979
What are we afraid of and and and

1721
01:03:34,979 --> 01:03:36,655
end... Afraid of ourselves. Yes.

1722
01:03:37,614 --> 01:03:40,023
We're afraid to look within. Yeah. And minute

1723
01:03:40,023 --> 01:03:40,740
we look within,

1724
01:03:41,298 --> 01:03:42,893
there's a lot of heavy lifting to do.

1725
01:03:43,213 --> 01:03:45,525
Lot of heavy lifting. A lot of heavy.

1726
01:03:45,844 --> 01:03:47,838
Much easier to point at other people. Yeah.

1727
01:03:48,237 --> 01:03:50,008
You know, and people like, well, I only

1728
01:03:50,008 --> 01:03:53,124
have, you know, 70 to 80... 90 years

1729
01:03:53,124 --> 01:03:54,722
on the eric for. You know, Not gonna

1730
01:03:54,722 --> 01:03:56,480
have time to change the world. Nope. I'm

1731
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:57,060
just gonna

1732
01:03:57,373 --> 01:03:58,805
do my own thing and stick to my,

1733
01:03:58,964 --> 01:04:00,396
and that's what most people do. And honestly,

1734
01:04:00,555 --> 01:04:02,385
that's is what most people do is they

1735
01:04:02,385 --> 01:04:03,657
say, I've got this amount of time on

1736
01:04:03,657 --> 01:04:06,703
the earth. You know, I'm gonna gonna create

1737
01:04:06,703 --> 01:04:07,443
my life

1738
01:04:08,060 --> 01:04:08,560
and

1739
01:04:09,177 --> 01:04:11,092
deal with my life, and then I'm gonna

1740
01:04:11,092 --> 01:04:13,179
be gone. And then I'm not and because

1741
01:04:13,179 --> 01:04:15,745
they think, like, you can't change the world

1742
01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:18,264
in 50 years and 60 years and 7

1743
01:04:18,264 --> 01:04:20,028
years and 80 years, so people don't dry.

1744
01:04:20,187 --> 01:04:22,016
Tell that to Martin Luther King junior. That's

1745
01:04:22,016 --> 01:04:22,255
right.

1746
01:04:22,971 --> 01:04:23,471
That's

1747
01:04:24,324 --> 01:04:26,312
na gandhi. That's absolutely right.

1748
01:04:26,964 --> 01:04:29,361
And that it always baffles me that people

1749
01:04:29,361 --> 01:04:31,199
don't get that and see that and say,

1750
01:04:31,279 --> 01:04:32,978
you know what? 1 voice

1751
01:04:33,916 --> 01:04:37,124
connecting with 1 voice. Connecting with 1 voice,

1752
01:04:37,523 --> 01:04:39,038
connecting with 1 voice,

1753
01:04:40,235 --> 01:04:43,664
and then that voice becomes the loud. The

1754
01:04:43,664 --> 01:04:46,568
loud. I totally believe that. Yeah. Absolutely.

1755
01:04:47,179 --> 01:04:48,766
So we just have to continue to share

1756
01:04:48,766 --> 01:04:48,924
that.

1757
01:04:49,639 --> 01:04:51,067
I think that's what it is is we

1758
01:04:51,067 --> 01:04:53,228
have to continue to to not be silent.

1759
01:04:54,184 --> 01:04:55,540
So what would you tell your children?

1760
01:04:56,178 --> 01:04:57,316
Should you have them

1761
01:04:57,773 --> 01:05:00,086
about. If I had if I have children,

1762
01:05:00,883 --> 01:05:02,054
I would tell them

1763
01:05:02,574 --> 01:05:03,453
don't be silent.

1764
01:05:05,451 --> 01:05:06,330
Don't be silent,

1765
01:05:07,289 --> 01:05:08,108
but also

1766
01:05:08,487 --> 01:05:10,645
educate yourself on what you're speaking about.

1767
01:05:12,888 --> 01:05:14,659
Yes, we are going to be

1768
01:05:15,588 --> 01:05:17,097
overwhelmed with a emotion at times.

1769
01:05:17,733 --> 01:05:19,162
And yes, there is a time in a

1770
01:05:19,162 --> 01:05:20,139
place to share

1771
01:05:20,512 --> 01:05:20,885
emotion

1772
01:05:22,118 --> 01:05:25,164
but also ask yourself, is this going

1773
01:05:26,176 --> 01:05:27,392
to create progress

1774
01:05:27,768 --> 01:05:29,518
or is this going to s full?

1775
01:05:30,646 --> 01:05:33,342
I really feel strongly about that, you know,

1776
01:05:33,501 --> 01:05:33,898
it's like,

1777
01:05:34,929 --> 01:05:35,746
if my

1778
01:05:37,309 --> 01:05:38,205
potential future

1779
01:05:38,673 --> 01:05:38,992
daughter,

1780
01:05:41,861 --> 01:05:43,376
knocks over her little brother.

1781
01:05:44,890 --> 01:05:46,107
I'm gonna ask her

1782
01:05:46,737 --> 01:05:48,487
what was the benefit of that? Or why

1783
01:05:48,487 --> 01:05:49,839
did you do that? Well, Was mad.

1784
01:05:51,748 --> 01:05:53,737
So you knocking him over and him hitting

1785
01:05:53,737 --> 01:05:55,503
his head on the end of a coffee

1786
01:05:55,503 --> 01:05:56,538
table on him bleeding.

1787
01:05:57,972 --> 01:06:00,123
Did that accomplish what you wanted to accomplish?

1788
01:06:01,398 --> 01:06:03,957
Did that make what you think he did

1789
01:06:03,957 --> 01:06:06,681
to make you upset? Did that fix

1790
01:06:07,055 --> 01:06:07,294
it?

1791
01:06:08,088 --> 01:06:10,010
Or is he now going to even more

1792
01:06:10,010 --> 01:06:11,280
angry because you hurt him.

1793
01:06:12,709 --> 01:06:14,615
And is that going to continue him hurting

1794
01:06:14,615 --> 01:06:16,385
you and not having any

1795
01:06:17,570 --> 01:06:19,030
you know, patience or,

1796
01:06:20,849 --> 01:06:21,250
you know,

1797
01:06:22,050 --> 01:06:24,130
or clarity to to treat you better next

1798
01:06:24,130 --> 01:06:25,329
time. For understanding.

1799
01:06:25,970 --> 01:06:26,210
Yeah.

1800
01:06:27,181 --> 01:06:28,850
And that's what I'll say. And that's what

1801
01:06:28,929 --> 01:06:30,303
I say even to

1802
01:06:30,677 --> 01:06:31,654
to myself

1803
01:06:32,425 --> 01:06:34,986
to my friends to people I don't know

1804
01:06:34,986 --> 01:06:35,703
to my fans?

1805
01:06:37,935 --> 01:06:40,007
How are your actions going to help and

1806
01:06:40,007 --> 01:06:42,000
not hurt? Do you feel like they listen?

1807
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,983
I want to feel that. I want to

1808
01:06:45,983 --> 01:06:46,618
believe that.

1809
01:06:48,284 --> 01:06:49,339
And I

1810
01:06:49,728 --> 01:06:50,547
will always

1811
01:06:51,322 --> 01:06:52,676
continue to hope for that.

1812
01:06:53,711 --> 01:06:56,101
And that's why I I'll I will always

1813
01:06:56,101 --> 01:06:57,492
continue to speak forward

1814
01:06:58,266 --> 01:06:59,881
because I always hope

1815
01:07:01,371 --> 01:07:02,110
that somebody's

1816
01:07:02,566 --> 01:07:06,159
getting it somebody's really listening. And processing it.

1817
01:07:06,951 --> 01:07:09,803
Well, this conversation right here is is it

1818
01:07:09,803 --> 01:07:11,467
helps. I mean, that's the whole reason I

1819
01:07:11,467 --> 01:07:13,630
wanna do this pod cast is to make

1820
01:07:13,630 --> 01:07:16,501
the world smaller. And to maybe somebody listening

1821
01:07:16,501 --> 01:07:18,973
who be like, fuck, black lives matter. Wasn't

1822
01:07:18,973 --> 01:07:20,647
it, you know, or whatever it goes, oh,

1823
01:07:20,887 --> 01:07:23,058
I didn't think of from that perspective Or

1824
01:07:23,138 --> 01:07:26,175
Yeah. You know Somebody who makes fun of

1825
01:07:26,175 --> 01:07:27,932
immigrants or thinks that immigrants shouldn't be in

1826
01:07:27,932 --> 01:07:29,291
the country. Yeah. Right.

1827
01:07:30,570 --> 01:07:33,784
Right. You know? Well, here's a beautiful woman

1828
01:07:33,918 --> 01:07:36,297
who is an immigrant who has done quite

1829
01:07:36,297 --> 01:07:38,359
well with herself. Mh So is she not

1830
01:07:38,359 --> 01:07:40,130
okay with you? Mh. Yeah.

1831
01:07:41,569 --> 01:07:43,250
You have to be carefully taught in the

1832
01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:45,809
words of South Pacific. You remember that musical?

1833
01:07:45,969 --> 01:07:47,489
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

1834
01:07:48,702 --> 01:07:49,202
Carefully,

1835
01:07:49,655 --> 01:07:53,070
carefully talk. Yeah. That's not is it. That's

1836
01:07:53,070 --> 01:07:55,452
it for sure. Heavy stuff. Say something. Let's

1837
01:07:55,452 --> 01:07:57,695
talk about something fun and festive. What do

1838
01:07:57,695 --> 01:08:00,007
you what projects you got going? Well,

1839
01:08:00,884 --> 01:08:02,000
when does this come out by the way?

1840
01:08:02,876 --> 01:08:04,471
Put this I mean next week? Okay.

1841
01:08:06,468 --> 01:08:07,181
Next week, like...

1842
01:08:07,815 --> 01:08:09,796
So not this week, but next... Yeah. It'll

1843
01:08:09,796 --> 01:08:12,904
don't... So I just launched this particular podcast.

1844
01:08:13,143 --> 01:08:16,006
So, I launched with 3 episodes. So in

1845
01:08:16,006 --> 01:08:17,858
a week I'll... I'll put up the next

1846
01:08:17,993 --> 01:08:19,584
signing. Yeah. I'm excited.

1847
01:08:22,542 --> 01:08:24,235
I'm currently working on

1848
01:08:25,565 --> 01:08:28,046
going to Newport Rhode Island for first time

1849
01:08:28,046 --> 01:08:30,670
in playing Newport Folk festival. Oh, it's exciting.

1850
01:08:30,988 --> 01:08:31,703
Which is wonderful.

1851
01:08:32,101 --> 01:08:34,168
And I have to admit I didn't know

1852
01:08:34,168 --> 01:08:37,324
what Newport Folk festival was. And this word

1853
01:08:37,444 --> 01:08:40,492
bulk, you know, it's something that sometimes has

1854
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:41,926
has not

1855
01:08:42,381 --> 01:08:45,010
been a word that has served me. You

1856
01:08:45,010 --> 01:08:47,170
know, I remember when I first started doing

1857
01:08:47,170 --> 01:08:48,994
music and people wanted to compare me to

1858
01:08:49,073 --> 01:08:51,770
Tracy Chapman. And she was folk, and you

1859
01:08:51,770 --> 01:08:53,293
know, then I had to discover what this

1860
01:08:53,293 --> 01:08:55,118
word folk me, you know And it's like,

1861
01:08:55,278 --> 01:08:57,444
oh, it's your storyteller, You know, you're

1862
01:08:57,818 --> 01:08:59,802
your singer song writer and you're you're telling

1863
01:08:59,802 --> 01:09:01,548
a story I'm like, okay. That's that's folk.

1864
01:09:02,519 --> 01:09:04,354
But that's not folk. When you look at

1865
01:09:04,354 --> 01:09:06,110
the music, you know? And then when I

1866
01:09:06,110 --> 01:09:07,307
look at what I do, it's like, I'm

1867
01:09:07,307 --> 01:09:09,863
not that you know, now, but that's also

1868
01:09:09,863 --> 01:09:12,429
the progression of how music has changed.

1869
01:09:13,145 --> 01:09:15,057
So when I heard of newport folk festival,

1870
01:09:15,216 --> 01:09:17,207
I didn't really understand what that was. And

1871
01:09:17,207 --> 01:09:20,050
as I studied it, I realized that that

1872
01:09:20,647 --> 01:09:21,147
was

1873
01:09:21,922 --> 01:09:24,095
at the time this festival began

1874
01:09:24,869 --> 01:09:26,862
30 40 50 years ago,

1875
01:09:28,069 --> 01:09:29,891
that was what the type of music that

1876
01:09:29,891 --> 01:09:30,391
was,

1877
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:32,350
you know, was prevalent.

1878
01:09:33,856 --> 01:09:34,594
So that?

1879
01:09:35,378 --> 01:09:37,051
The search. Yeah. Folk well folk music Right.

1880
01:09:37,211 --> 01:09:38,724
So it's was the newport Folk festival.

1881
01:09:39,202 --> 01:09:40,635
So it was Joan bae. As it was

1882
01:09:40,716 --> 01:09:43,344
Joan Mitchell. It was, you know, but but

1883
01:09:43,344 --> 01:09:45,030
also, Jimmy Hendrix it. So there you go.

1884
01:09:45,109 --> 01:09:47,336
Like, there were, you know, definitely people who

1885
01:09:47,336 --> 01:09:49,721
made their way. But now, even a festival

1886
01:09:49,721 --> 01:09:52,346
where New newport book Festival is the violent

1887
01:09:52,346 --> 01:09:55,716
fans. Is Ryan Adams is, my morning jacket

1888
01:09:55,716 --> 01:09:57,632
is Nora Jones is Leon Bridges.

1889
01:09:58,271 --> 01:10:00,759
You know, so Wow. It's this different thing.

1890
01:10:00,997 --> 01:10:02,827
So the name still holds because the name,

1891
01:10:02,906 --> 01:10:04,656
you know, has always been. So it's a

1892
01:10:04,656 --> 01:10:05,372
point of reverence.

1893
01:10:05,929 --> 01:10:08,493
Sure. But I'm excited because now I get

1894
01:10:08,493 --> 01:10:10,349
to, you know, experience this

1895
01:10:11,045 --> 01:10:13,277
amazing festival, which I think as much like

1896
01:10:13,277 --> 01:10:14,234
what woodstock was.

1897
01:10:14,951 --> 01:10:16,721
In in you know. So... But how do

1898
01:10:16,721 --> 01:10:18,636
you identify your own music, which is the

1899
01:10:18,636 --> 01:10:20,792
worst question ever when it really is, and

1900
01:10:20,871 --> 01:10:22,387
I may not even be able to answer

1901
01:10:22,387 --> 01:10:22,887
that

1902
01:10:23,265 --> 01:10:24,155
wealth for you.

1903
01:10:26,140 --> 01:10:26,640
But

1904
01:10:28,679 --> 01:10:30,822
I feel this way. Here's how I feel

1905
01:10:30,822 --> 01:10:33,618
about the type of music that I do

1906
01:10:33,618 --> 01:10:35,132
and also the type of music that I

1907
01:10:35,132 --> 01:10:36,826
think a lot of my friends do

1908
01:10:37,441 --> 01:10:37,941
is

1909
01:10:38,317 --> 01:10:39,533
if we had

1910
01:10:41,356 --> 01:10:42,173
the money

1911
01:10:43,021 --> 01:10:43,839
to market

1912
01:10:44,369 --> 01:10:45,822
to get our songs

1913
01:10:46,352 --> 01:10:47,780
in the people's ears.

1914
01:10:49,143 --> 01:10:51,686
On these stations who are only playing a

1915
01:10:51,686 --> 01:10:52,186
certain

1916
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,149
type in realm of music.

1917
01:10:54,706 --> 01:10:55,819
If we had that money,

1918
01:10:56,454 --> 01:10:57,510
we would be

1919
01:10:58,454 --> 01:10:59,272
as popular

1920
01:11:00,358 --> 01:11:01,254
as any

1921
01:11:01,705 --> 01:11:04,162
of those people who are considered quote unquote

1922
01:11:04,162 --> 01:11:05,352
mainstream. I agree.

1923
01:11:06,402 --> 01:11:09,747
That's what I absolutely 150

1924
01:11:09,747 --> 01:11:10,385
percent believe.

1925
01:11:12,058 --> 01:11:13,652
Because if you think about the people who

1926
01:11:13,652 --> 01:11:15,899
have made it through that system, where you

1927
01:11:15,899 --> 01:11:18,476
had a label who was a mainstream label

1928
01:11:18,855 --> 01:11:19,355
who...

1929
01:11:19,895 --> 01:11:22,372
A label who believed in something that was

1930
01:11:22,372 --> 01:11:24,505
a little left of center and pushed it

1931
01:11:24,623 --> 01:11:26,765
and got other people to fund and push

1932
01:11:26,765 --> 01:11:28,591
it and put it on top 40 radio.

1933
01:11:29,701 --> 01:11:30,970
You might have listened to it at first

1934
01:11:30,970 --> 01:11:32,930
been like, what's that doing on this stage

1935
01:11:33,050 --> 01:11:34,829
and next to to this

1936
01:11:35,210 --> 01:11:36,329
bubble gum pop thing.

1937
01:11:37,130 --> 01:11:38,489
But the more and more you play it,

1938
01:11:38,810 --> 01:11:40,729
the more and more people recognize it and

1939
01:11:40,729 --> 01:11:41,984
said, like, you know what? I like

1940
01:11:42,660 --> 01:11:44,488
And I would say that about Erica Do,

1941
01:11:44,726 --> 01:11:46,554
I would say that about Nora Jones, I

1942
01:11:46,554 --> 01:11:47,985
would say that about the beatles.

1943
01:11:48,621 --> 01:11:50,703
I would say that about h year, my

1944
01:11:50,703 --> 01:11:52,713
friend, You know, I would say that about

1945
01:11:53,009 --> 01:11:55,552
Jack White. I would say that about so

1946
01:11:55,552 --> 01:11:57,166
many artists who

1947
01:11:58,668 --> 01:12:00,097
if you have an opportunity,

1948
01:12:00,891 --> 01:12:03,512
if you give them an opportunity to reach

1949
01:12:03,512 --> 01:12:04,148
the masses,

1950
01:12:04,863 --> 01:12:05,498
it happens.

1951
01:12:07,021 --> 01:12:07,521
So

1952
01:12:08,608 --> 01:12:10,114
the word pop music,

1953
01:12:10,591 --> 01:12:11,488
I believe

1954
01:12:12,097 --> 01:12:12,994
should be

1955
01:12:13,863 --> 01:12:14,363
allowed

1956
01:12:15,218 --> 01:12:17,073
to be really what it is, which is

1957
01:12:17,371 --> 01:12:19,706
it it reaches a a mass

1958
01:12:20,482 --> 01:12:20,721
population.

1959
01:12:21,598 --> 01:12:24,906
It is popular because it reaches the pop

1960
01:12:25,443 --> 01:12:25,682
population.

1961
01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:27,859
And

1962
01:12:28,795 --> 01:12:29,534
I just

1963
01:12:30,152 --> 01:12:32,817
wish for everyone I know who does

1964
01:12:33,193 --> 01:12:34,705
this thing this art.

1965
01:12:35,342 --> 01:12:36,217
If it's good art,

1966
01:12:37,172 --> 01:12:38,627
I wish for all of us

1967
01:12:38,939 --> 01:12:41,254
to get an opportunity to reach the masses.

1968
01:12:41,813 --> 01:12:42,770
I wish that too.

1969
01:12:44,207 --> 01:12:46,043
You know, it used to be the formats

1970
01:12:46,043 --> 01:12:48,373
of the radio where you could hear everything

1971
01:12:48,693 --> 01:12:50,770
Anything in a given an hour. Yeah. I

1972
01:12:50,770 --> 01:12:51,170
remember that.

1973
01:12:52,288 --> 01:12:54,899
Again, the systematic dumb down of Human humanity

1974
01:12:55,258 --> 01:12:57,250
It's serving someone. I'm not sure who it's

1975
01:12:57,250 --> 01:13:00,278
serving, but it's certainly serving someone. Right. And

1976
01:13:00,278 --> 01:13:03,545
that's why fear reign supreme and record labels,

1977
01:13:03,703 --> 01:13:06,192
of course. Everyone's to the job or doing

1978
01:13:06,192 --> 01:13:08,266
the wrong, you know, what... No? Yeah. And

1979
01:13:08,266 --> 01:13:09,703
then and the more bang for the buck

1980
01:13:09,703 --> 01:13:12,337
and what's what's the most dumb down sound?

1981
01:13:12,817 --> 01:13:14,349
What, you know, you know what I'm saying,

1982
01:13:14,509 --> 01:13:17,225
what's the easiest thing to put forward? You

1983
01:13:17,225 --> 01:13:18,742
know, because people are afraid of like, oh,

1984
01:13:18,902 --> 01:13:20,180
this is different. I don't know if I

1985
01:13:20,180 --> 01:13:21,790
like it. And so I don't know if

1986
01:13:21,790 --> 01:13:23,485
it's gonna work. But if you have something

1987
01:13:23,702 --> 01:13:25,534
that is simple and, you know, it's... Like,

1988
01:13:25,694 --> 01:13:27,128
that's why they call it bubble gum pop.

1989
01:13:27,367 --> 01:13:30,178
Mh. Who doesn't like bubble gum. Right? So

1990
01:13:30,236 --> 01:13:32,560
that's That's why that that works, but I

1991
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:33,993
put... But again, like,

1992
01:13:34,869 --> 01:13:37,100
when Erica Bad do. Oh no no. No

1993
01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:38,533
no. No. Well, that came out.

1994
01:13:39,425 --> 01:13:41,338
I remember, I was like, whoa. Whoa Whoa.

1995
01:13:41,577 --> 01:13:43,650
Whoa. What is this? I love erica combined.

1996
01:13:43,889 --> 01:13:46,201
Right? Oh, god. But even going way way

1997
01:13:46,201 --> 01:13:48,090
back to the beatles like they were rejected

1998
01:13:48,208 --> 01:13:50,429
so many times times They love rejected. So

1999
01:13:50,429 --> 01:13:52,332
many times. I stopped posting the today. You're

2000
01:13:52,332 --> 01:13:54,235
very active on Facebook. I really... I love

2001
01:13:54,235 --> 01:13:56,034
your feeds. Oh, thank you. I I'd say

2002
01:13:56,154 --> 01:13:57,832
say all your Facebook games because you have

2003
01:13:57,832 --> 01:13:59,909
great fees. Well, you know, my my public

2004
01:14:00,069 --> 01:14:02,945
Facebook is just ruby on food so Facebook

2005
01:14:02,945 --> 01:14:04,795
dot com so slash Ruby On foods. Great.

2006
01:14:04,954 --> 01:14:07,265
You. Yeah. And, you know, in Instagram, I

2007
01:14:07,265 --> 01:14:08,939
do a little bit of a different energy,

2008
01:14:09,179 --> 01:14:10,613
you know, on my Ruby On food page

2009
01:14:10,613 --> 01:14:12,702
on Instagram. You know And I... Because I

2010
01:14:12,702 --> 01:14:14,937
think there's also different formats and a time

2011
01:14:14,937 --> 01:14:16,613
and a place for things on different, you

2012
01:14:16,613 --> 01:14:19,327
know, Sometimes I... Sometimes I cross and sometimes

2013
01:14:19,406 --> 01:14:21,738
I don't, Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for saying that

2014
01:14:21,738 --> 01:14:24,533
though. I tried to. No. Great. I I

2015
01:14:24,533 --> 01:14:26,530
try and re yours because you always... You...

2016
01:14:27,010 --> 01:14:28,783
I fine. You always have something really interesting

2017
01:14:28,783 --> 01:14:31,978
to say. Thanks Girl. Yeah. So I very

2018
01:14:31,978 --> 01:14:34,868
much. And I get excited when people as

2019
01:14:34,947 --> 01:14:37,649
I say use Facebook for good. Yeah. I've

2020
01:14:37,649 --> 01:14:40,750
got something. You know. That's something. Yeah. The

2021
01:14:40,750 --> 01:14:41,965
but y'all have to specify.

2022
01:14:42,339 --> 01:14:45,622
I know. It's crazy. Oh, my goodness. Yeah.

2023
01:14:46,102 --> 01:14:48,180
It's pretty wild, but, you know what? I...

2024
01:14:48,340 --> 01:14:50,018
On Facebook the other as but my my

2025
01:14:50,018 --> 01:14:51,056
point I was supposed to... It was on

2026
01:14:51,136 --> 01:14:53,068
Facebook with the other day. Some very dear

2027
01:14:53,068 --> 01:14:54,923
friends of mine who do a song

2028
01:14:55,381 --> 01:14:57,135
thing. They have, you know, 1 of those...

2029
01:14:57,454 --> 01:14:59,390
There's a million of them out there where

2030
01:14:59,608 --> 01:15:01,921
song writers kind of comp and all this

2031
01:15:01,921 --> 01:15:04,242
stuff. And they had a post. I'm not

2032
01:15:04,242 --> 01:15:05,990
gonna sit their names because physician's not. There's

2033
01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:07,739
no point to that, but okay, there was

2034
01:15:07,739 --> 01:15:08,851
a post that sits like, like,

2035
01:15:10,218 --> 01:15:11,810
if it's a hit song, it won't have

2036
01:15:11,810 --> 01:15:13,483
to work that hard to be on the

2037
01:15:13,483 --> 01:15:15,792
radio. And I just... I read that, and

2038
01:15:15,792 --> 01:15:18,100
it made me actually physically mad.

2039
01:15:18,673 --> 01:15:20,663
Because that is the absolute non truth. That

2040
01:15:20,663 --> 01:15:23,051
is it's a lie. It's absolutely a lie,

2041
01:15:23,211 --> 01:15:26,369
and it's prop this mythology that is it's

2042
01:15:26,569 --> 01:15:28,483
part of the problem, and it's it... You

2043
01:15:28,483 --> 01:15:30,716
look at... Let's just take country music because

2044
01:15:30,716 --> 01:15:32,551
that's... These people come from that world.

2045
01:15:33,747 --> 01:15:33,906
Okay.

2046
01:15:34,783 --> 01:15:37,188
The house that built me. Mh. 12 years

2047
01:15:37,188 --> 01:15:39,176
or something like that, getting pitched over and

2048
01:15:39,176 --> 01:15:40,766
over and over again. Yes. To know avail.

2049
01:15:41,481 --> 01:15:42,833
Who are you and I'm not looking? These

2050
01:15:42,833 --> 01:15:44,185
are number 1 songs that were not only

2051
01:15:44,185 --> 01:15:45,616
number 1 for a week, but several weeks.

2052
01:15:45,948 --> 01:15:46,267
Mh.

2053
01:15:47,381 --> 01:15:49,290
You know, who are who am I... Who

2054
01:15:49,290 --> 01:15:50,563
are you and I'm not looking as a

2055
01:15:50,563 --> 01:15:51,461
blake shelton hit

2056
01:15:51,836 --> 01:15:52,573
written by

2057
01:15:53,045 --> 01:15:55,680
my friend Bud, and it's sat around for

2058
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,997
years. Nobody wanted it. Nobody touched in this.

2059
01:15:58,238 --> 01:16:00,130
And you... To your point, the beatles

2060
01:16:00,488 --> 01:16:03,113
No John. Richer Marks. I mean, you could

2061
01:16:03,113 --> 01:16:05,340
name the the list goes on and on

2062
01:16:05,340 --> 01:16:08,135
and on of people that thought blend and

2063
01:16:08,135 --> 01:16:10,512
died to either get a song her or

2064
01:16:10,512 --> 01:16:12,256
to get their art in general hurt. Right.

2065
01:16:12,494 --> 01:16:12,890
And to,

2066
01:16:13,683 --> 01:16:16,560
it's just a technology. I nobody knows what

2067
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,266
it hit is. Nobody holiday just working working

2068
01:16:19,266 --> 01:16:22,052
and working. Yeah. It's crazy. So it's stuff

2069
01:16:22,052 --> 01:16:24,322
like that really frustrate me because I think

2070
01:16:24,699 --> 01:16:27,814
it's... Again, speaks to that instant gratification culture

2071
01:16:27,814 --> 01:16:30,128
that we have developed. Yes. Like, I'm gonna

2072
01:16:30,128 --> 01:16:31,939
write this and I'm gonna send it to

2073
01:16:31,979 --> 01:16:33,412
a publisher and the publisher is gonna play

2074
01:16:33,412 --> 01:16:35,162
it for the artist. And if it's really

2075
01:16:35,162 --> 01:16:36,753
a hit, the artist is gonna go yes.

2076
01:16:36,912 --> 01:16:38,902
It's it. And Us straight away. And it'll

2077
01:16:38,902 --> 01:16:40,414
be a hit, and it'll be, you know,

2078
01:16:40,653 --> 01:16:42,497
make Chili dollars and I'll have a big

2079
01:16:42,497 --> 01:16:44,884
user, and it's such a mythology. Yeah. That

2080
01:16:44,884 --> 01:16:47,031
isn't not how it works. It's right. And

2081
01:16:47,031 --> 01:16:47,531
many

2082
01:16:48,622 --> 01:16:49,122
incredible

2083
01:16:49,497 --> 01:16:52,380
books paintings, you know, dance. Me... Whatever it

2084
01:16:52,380 --> 01:16:54,930
is. Mh. Many of these things, years and

2085
01:16:54,930 --> 01:16:57,161
years and years go by before anybody even

2086
01:16:57,161 --> 01:17:00,055
noticed Yeah. That's right. That's absolutely right. There's...

2087
01:17:00,454 --> 01:17:03,255
Frustrate me. Yeah. It frustrate me too. It

2088
01:17:03,255 --> 01:17:05,109
frustrate me. Absolutely. Today.

2089
01:17:06,224 --> 01:17:07,817
Yeah. But I can't can't give it up.

2090
01:17:08,136 --> 01:17:09,968
I won't give... Well, you can't because it's

2091
01:17:09,968 --> 01:17:11,935
where you are. I mean continue I I

2092
01:17:12,054 --> 01:17:13,648
Yeah. No many times of people said to.

2093
01:17:13,807 --> 01:17:15,082
Well, why do you even do this? If

2094
01:17:15,082 --> 01:17:17,712
it says... Yeah. Well, Oh yeah because it's

2095
01:17:17,712 --> 01:17:19,783
in your blood. It's it is and in

2096
01:17:19,783 --> 01:17:21,456
there and not saying there haven't been times

2097
01:17:21,456 --> 01:17:23,305
when I wanted to walk away if for

2098
01:17:23,305 --> 01:17:25,220
walking away. But I think I'm through that

2099
01:17:25,380 --> 01:17:27,215
I'm over that now, knowing that, well, this

2100
01:17:27,215 --> 01:17:29,224
is... Like, this is what I... This what

2101
01:17:29,383 --> 01:17:31,694
I do you are. This is... Well, this

2102
01:17:31,694 --> 01:17:33,366
is... You know, I I am a musician.

2103
01:17:33,605 --> 01:17:36,394
I am a musician. I don't, yeah. Ruby

2104
01:17:36,394 --> 01:17:39,115
is a musician. Yeah. You've had a really

2105
01:17:39,115 --> 01:17:40,702
wonderful things. This past year. It's great.

2106
01:17:41,654 --> 01:17:43,796
Yeah. You know, I... Obviously, I haven't known

2107
01:17:43,796 --> 01:17:45,938
you your whole life, but I feel like

2108
01:17:45,938 --> 01:17:48,502
that people are starting to finally come to

2109
01:17:48,502 --> 01:17:51,694
their senses. I Oh, yes. You great. Thank

2110
01:17:51,694 --> 01:17:53,610
you. Thanks for saying that. Yeah. It's true.

2111
01:17:53,930 --> 01:17:56,419
I mean... And that must feel good. Yeah.

2112
01:17:56,578 --> 01:17:58,411
I'm I'm I continue to plug away, and

2113
01:17:58,411 --> 01:17:59,207
that's the thing is I...

2114
01:18:00,004 --> 01:18:02,792
I'm definitely a believer that they're all seats

2115
01:18:02,792 --> 01:18:04,954
planted And if you give up on nurturing

2116
01:18:04,954 --> 01:18:07,181
and watering seeds, you won't ever see the

2117
01:18:07,181 --> 01:18:10,202
harvest, and some things take longer to produce

2118
01:18:10,202 --> 01:18:11,236
a harvest than others.

2119
01:18:12,126 --> 01:18:13,478
And you just can't give up because you

2120
01:18:13,478 --> 01:18:16,024
never know when it's gonna... When it's gonna

2121
01:18:16,024 --> 01:18:17,853
sprout and bloom and bear fruit. And so

2122
01:18:17,932 --> 01:18:21,610
I just continue to to just nurture those

2123
01:18:21,610 --> 01:18:24,158
seeds I planted. Yes. So thinking goodness that

2124
01:18:24,158 --> 01:18:25,990
you didn't give up. Thanks. The world all

2125
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:26,468
needs you.

2126
01:18:27,679 --> 01:18:29,039
Well, thank you. And

2127
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,159
you know, well, it's cyclical isn't it, you

2128
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:33,939
know, it's very cyclical because

2129
01:18:34,319 --> 01:18:36,013
if nobody gave a crop about me,

2130
01:18:37,210 --> 01:18:39,123
then I wouldn't have any work to do.

2131
01:18:39,283 --> 01:18:41,516
So Yeah. I wanna beat a good steward

2132
01:18:41,516 --> 01:18:43,351
of that. And... Well, And I think you

2133
01:18:43,351 --> 01:18:46,954
you're sing and you write and you cook

2134
01:18:46,954 --> 01:18:47,354
your truth.

2135
01:18:48,231 --> 01:18:49,905
And as long as there are people in

2136
01:18:49,905 --> 01:18:51,101
the world. Yes.

2137
01:18:52,059 --> 01:18:54,372
Being in their truth. Yes. Ever it is.

2138
01:18:54,690 --> 01:18:54,850
Yes.

2139
01:18:55,740 --> 01:18:57,889
I mean, yes. I I feel like there's

2140
01:18:57,889 --> 01:18:59,800
hope. Yes. I believe that I know. I

2141
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:01,709
wanna believe that. And, of course, Have people

2142
01:19:01,709 --> 01:19:04,358
say, well, my whatever insert negativity

2143
01:19:04,748 --> 01:19:06,519
is my truth. And

2144
01:19:07,051 --> 01:19:09,115
for that I understand, you can't know Jesus

2145
01:19:09,115 --> 01:19:10,703
for that knowing Hitler, I get that whole

2146
01:19:10,703 --> 01:19:13,244
rhetoric. I get it. But I'm... I'm on

2147
01:19:13,244 --> 01:19:16,048
the side of truth and love. Yes. Me

2148
01:19:16,048 --> 01:19:17,404
too. Let's bring that.

2149
01:19:18,122 --> 01:19:20,196
That's right. We have to. And cheers to

2150
01:19:20,196 --> 01:19:21,153
that. Cheers to that.

2151
01:19:22,908 --> 01:19:24,757
Right nice that sound?

2152
01:19:25,634 --> 01:19:27,387
Yeah. We have to... We we have a

2153
01:19:27,387 --> 01:19:30,817
responsibility in those who know better, must do

2154
01:19:30,817 --> 01:19:34,099
better. Absolutely well put. Yeah. Absolutely. That's right.

2155
01:19:34,338 --> 01:19:34,895
Thank you for.

2156
01:19:35,613 --> 01:19:37,524
Thank you so much for choosing. I you

2157
01:19:37,524 --> 01:19:39,515
for trusting me. Yeah. I know. We'll do

2158
01:19:39,515 --> 01:19:40,470
another 1 when we tell you about cooking.

2159
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:42,555
I love that. Yeah. Love I do enjoy

2160
01:19:42,555 --> 01:19:45,100
it culture. Yes. In food and culture. You

2161
01:19:45,100 --> 01:19:47,088
actually cook something I get to Eat sure.

2162
01:19:47,406 --> 01:19:50,427
Okay. Yay. That'd. It's exciting. Yeah. I... My...

2163
01:19:50,746 --> 01:19:52,594
I can cook, like, 5 things really, really

2164
01:19:52,594 --> 01:19:55,390
well. But, you know, by myself. I tend

2165
01:19:55,390 --> 01:19:56,370
to the quesadilla.

2166
01:19:56,749 --> 01:19:59,087
And I really... I gosh she is.

2167
01:19:59,546 --> 01:20:01,319
And you call it the quesadilla yeah. Oh

2168
01:20:01,319 --> 01:20:03,238
my god. Yes. Okay. I you. That's time

2169
01:20:03,317 --> 01:20:05,095
I know. That's serious. The quesadilla.

2170
01:20:05,635 --> 01:20:08,052
Okay. I have mastered the art of Quesadilla.

2171
01:20:08,671 --> 01:20:10,110
Have to make you 1 sometime time. They're

2172
01:20:10,110 --> 01:20:10,484
very good

2173
01:20:11,484 --> 01:20:13,242
Alright. Well, thank you, Ruby. Thank you, Susan.