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Hey, Humans how's going.

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Susan Ruth here.

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Today, I had the opportunity to Skype with

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Katie,

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and

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her story is that

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she was not born a woman.

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But she identifies as a woman and is

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in the process

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of transitioning.

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She is transgender.

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I actually learned in this

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podcast

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that

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transgender is a proper term. I always thought

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it was transgender

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with an Ed, but it is not.

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It's transgender.

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So

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I learned a lot of things in this

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conversation.

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It's a good 1

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hope you enjoy.

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And, also,

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the end of

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this episode,

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have some phone numbers,

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outreach

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anybody that is looking to talk to somebody

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or is

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feeling super down or, you know, all the

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stuff.

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I have some phone numbers and and names

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of organizations that can help.

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Alright?

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Alright. Do it.

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Here we go.

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Hi, Katie. Welcome to hey, human.

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Hello.

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How are you?

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Doing alright?

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Good. So people listening might suddenly be shocked

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because I just said, hi, Katie and your

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voice is rather low.

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Yeah.

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You wanna explain that?

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I guess that's the byproduct of a,

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to

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was born.

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I was assigned male at birth. So

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yeah, my voice

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I've been on Estrogen for 2 weeks now.

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my voice

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has not dropped. Or has not risen rather,

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which I guess is to be expected. It

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will start to do that.

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It will unnatural start to rise a little

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bit on my, Adam's apple we're will receive.

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Yeah. It'll naturally get higher. And

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hopefully across my fingers, I won't be

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like this for the rest of my life,

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you know? I doubt you will.

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You're not done now, so it's not like

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it. It's good.

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How say on the estrogen?

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Tuning the estrogen is it, have you noticed

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difference yet? In your body? Not yet. I'm

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still in a the smallest dose,

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because I need to test how my body

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reacts to it. Mh.

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it's, like, on a scale, like, 0.1 to

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0.4, some sort of unit that I don't

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understand

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0.4 something's. And I'm at 0.1 right now.

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So, like, 25 percent of what I will

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be get taking weekly. Oh, okay. So it's

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relatively small dosage.

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Can everybody freak out?

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But, like, the weird thing is, like, I

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have, like, the 1 change I have noticed.

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like, my emotional well being

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is already better than it was. Really?

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I was in say, a pretty a pretty

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pre awful place for

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several weeks before,

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I, got my first shot at in the

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in this the last, I 2 weeks since

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or 2 a week.

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I feel so much better about what I'm

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doing right now, you know. Do you think

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that's a result of the hormone shot, or

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do you think that's a result of,

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you knowing that you're now in process of

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transitioning?

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psychological.

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You know, like jaw didn't, like,

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increase, like, the endo of my brain or

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anything like that, But III

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know that, like, I am finally taking steps,

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you know? Because I I realized I was

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trans

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what what month is it is it July?

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It is. Yes.

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It would be, like, 9 months ago, I

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think,

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basically to sat on that knowledge for 8

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of those months.

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You know, I started coming out people,

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taking steps in that sense. But physically,

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I was making no change in my body

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and, like, you know, 20 years old starting

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to, like, notice chest hair coming and stuff

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like that. And I felt this, like, immense

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pressure that I needed to start doing something.

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And you know, like, I see,

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know some people who are, like,

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started transitioning when they were, like, 14

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they're now, like, 17, for instance, and

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they've had 3 years

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to, like, sort of... As they go through

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Puberty, they do it, They're doing as a

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1. So they look, like so better than

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age, they'll be, like,

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inevitably

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better than I look right now. So I've

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have this feeling, like, I'm... I need to

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start as soon as possible so I can

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have as much of, like,

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you know, my life as

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the human being I wanna be. So it's

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interesting you said that you

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realized

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that you transgender

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8 months ago. But now,

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did you just sort of wake up and

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go, I think I got put in the

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wrong body or of dealing with your whole

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life for, you know, explain that a little

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bit because I think for people who are

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listening, they're going 8 months. You don't... You

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know, that's not at time. Yeah.

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Well, the short story that's... The short version

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is it's been there.

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All my life, and I just have ignoring

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the science or just not even noticing them.

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The longer version is, like,

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there's a...

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If we're going backwards in time,

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8 months ago,

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this, like,

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I was feeling horrible all the time. And

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I had no idea. I trying out why.

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And I finally came to realize, like,

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oh, this is this is

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D gloria the feelings is gender d sequoia.

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I feel not at home in my own

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body.

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know, like, over the summer,

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last summer, I

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I was, like, starting to tell more people

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you know, I like to I I like

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to wear women's clothes. I wish I was

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a woman.

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But I didn't put it together at, like,

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this awful feelings I was having were because

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of this,

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basically,

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I've been wearing, like, like, women's close privately

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since, like, third or fourth grade.

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in high school, I started, like, going to

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sleep hoping out wake up female.

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you know, if III

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always, like,

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have this idea, like, if I were to,

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like, rub a Genie lab something right and

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get a Genie,

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my first wish would be to retain this

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this brain. I have, but be born into

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the body of the woman. Mh.

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And that didn't include me and I was

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just like, this is just something I want.

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So III didn't put it together. That's what

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being trans is.

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And then,

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end of senior year,

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I just... I keeping a secret for

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or, like, 8, 9 years or something like

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that. From your parents and everybody. Everybody. Yeah.

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Everybody. I never told anybody.

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So finally, I was, like, and this car

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I 1 of my best friends of the

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time.

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And I told him, and I explained, like,

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that I would do this and that I

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wish I his emails stuff And then I

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was, like, but

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please never bring this up to me. Never

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never mention it again to anybody and don't

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even say it to me unless I bring

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it up.

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And then... Why is that?

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Because I I was that embarrassed about it,

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you know, the...

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Like, I thought, oh, On this boy that,

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likes to wear women's clothes, and was wishes

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he was a woman.

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That's, you know, society would shame me for

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that, you know. How did your friend take

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it?

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He was really cool about it. He was,

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like, didn't... Like I was weird or anything

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like that. Was just like, interesting and, like,

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he would ask, like, questions and,

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just wants to know more.

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And then after that conversation, we never talked

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about it

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again, for he didn't talk about it again

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till for like, a year. I thought he

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had forgotten about it or something because he

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that good not talking about it. So I

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do appreciate him doing that.

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Then like, going in...

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That was nice senior here. So going into

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freshman year of college.

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I had this

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girlfriend who's was gonna go to college,

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and she and I... Girlfriend or friend girl.

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Somebody you were dating. Yeah. Okay. Got. U.

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she and I got really close.

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basically,

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we ended up breaking up in, like, October,

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and or November.

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we like we broke up because he wanted

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to be friends. We didn't wanna date anymore.

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I explained to her

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the same thing that I told my other

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friend,

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in city here, they still, I I wish

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I was female.

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Wanna where women's clothes and stuff like that.

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And she's told me... Well, you know, you

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can be female. They... That's a thing you

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transition and and start being feeling like, oh,

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no. That's not that's not what I wanna

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do. You know, because IIII

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wanted to be female. I didn't wanna transition

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I didn't wanna be a woman who used

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to be AAA guy. You wanted to be

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born a woman? I wanna be born. I

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I wanna to have been 1 in the

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whole time. And I just thought... Because that's

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possible. I'll just live with what I have,

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so then

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half a year goes by. Oh... Well,

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first thing we did next day was go

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shopping, and she bought me some clothes,

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which is nicer. And

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hid the home on the bottom of my

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suitcase, put them in the bottom of my

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underwear drawer, and

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you know, felt better, and that was fine

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for

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about 6 months until I got back to

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home for the summer

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and

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just...

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My summer is very long, like, 3 and

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to a half months. I was just sitting

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there and wasn't doing anything, you know,

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that I wanted to do was working at

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this pizza place that was awful to work

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at and just

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my conditions were perfect for me to start

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really thinking about how much I hated the

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body I have and the person

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who I was,

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And so eventually, started coming out to a

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few other

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friends, not as trans, but it's just someone

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who wants to be a woman.

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And they would would... And I would say,

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explain, like, I don't think I'm trans because

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I don't feel like I'm a woman trapped

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in a man's body.

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I just desperately wanna be female.

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I don't... I guess explain that what you

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mean by that. Well,

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and I after having done research. This is

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something a lot of trans people think it's,

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like,

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there's there's this idea that trans people are

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just, like, that that, like,

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I, like, you were just, like, new... A

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woman trapped in a man's body and, like,

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that's... I guess that's true, but it doesn't

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like feel that way because I don't know

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what it's like to feel like a woman

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or I didn't know what it's like to

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feel like a woman

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until I started really exploring that.

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But the fact that I was unhappy with

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my body and then I wished, I

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was had a female anatomy.

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That is

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being... That is being a woman in a

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man's body, you know, you

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like, imagine if, like, you for instance, woke

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up,

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tomorrow was, like, a penis. You would feel

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like, where's is my, you know, female nobody

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body, that's how I felt my entire life,

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I guess. Yeah.

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So,

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basically, like, end of summer, I I had

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come to realize, like, I

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wish I was female

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nothing I can do about it. I'm just

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gonna have to live with it. And then

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so then

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that's

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next semester at school. I actually studied abroad.

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You know, I was

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surrounded by nothing familiar. So I... Basically, the

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only thing I had that was familiar was

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me and because I was in this, like,

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turmoil I was forced to, like, deal with

354
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it. Yeah.

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I

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realized, oh,

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I must be transgender.

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She discover that traveling abroad. We had to...

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Do have to at least comment on that

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pun.

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When I was abroad. I realized I wanted

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to be abroad.

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The,

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So I I...

365
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You know, I sat down that night, I

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was just feeling humble

367
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and not sure if I could keep you

368
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doing this. And

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I was supposed to like, write this essay

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for my assignment and said I wrote a

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different essay about how

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about, like, my experience going up and all

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that.

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And

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basically, finished it,

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sent it to, like, a very good friend

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of mine.

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Family friend, mentor second father type figure

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that I've had my life for a while.

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And

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and then

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went to sleep and felt a little better

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having, like, realize that. But then I had

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to, you know, think, oh,

385
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I am abroad. I'm

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dealing with this problem that would be difficult

387
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even if I was at home surrounded, but

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my family love me. I will put this

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off

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up worrying about this until I get home,

391
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so I can,

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just enjoy my experience here. Did you just

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as a woman while you were there in

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Europe? Sorry. Did you... Did were you out

395
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and about Europe as a woman or were

396
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you?

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No. I

398
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I came to a few of my friends

399
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there. I still was presenting his mail,

400
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but

401
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I I did buy

402
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some clothes with friend of mine, and then

403
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I

404
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wore them

405
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around these friends a couple times.

406
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But I was still very, very ashamed of

407
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it,

408
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and just so very uncomfortable and worried that,

409
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like, I would be called out for being

410
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weird or something even though these were very

411
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open people.

412
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This the environment I'm in school is very,

413
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very clear friendly, and it's awesome.

414
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So, yeah, I didn't, like, really start digging

415
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in until

416
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when to break,

417
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redoing research figuring out what exactly Am, you

418
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know, I thought maybe I was gender fluid,

419
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but I came to realize. I'm just trans.

420
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What is Gender fluid?

421
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Gender fluid, it's when you

422
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sometimes you'll wake up, and you'll be like,

423
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I feel male today. Sometimes you wake up

424
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feel female. Use you're it's not just a

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spectrum,

426
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it was described in this,

427
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vice like this professor,

428
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as, like, if you were to,

429
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like, take, like, all the colors of the

430
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rainbow and then, like,

431
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turn them into a of my cats here.

432
00:15:25,824 --> 00:15:26,220
Hello, Kat.

433
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Take, like, it's, like,

434
00:15:29,871 --> 00:15:32,886
it's so... It's like so multi dimensional. The

435
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spectrum is not like a a lying and

436
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you're somewhere on the line. It's not a

437
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plane and you're somewhere on the plane. It's

438
00:15:37,845 --> 00:15:39,762
not like a a spear and you're somewhere

439
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on the spear. It's like,

440
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this... It's

441
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so diverse.

442
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So, basically,

443
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Generally fluid would, like, people identify, like, male

444
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1 day and female the next day.

445
00:15:51,578 --> 00:15:52,558
But you're constantly

446
00:15:53,096 --> 00:15:55,574
identifying as a female. Yeah. I haven't... I

447
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the reason I thought I could

448
00:15:59,264 --> 00:16:00,463
I might be generous to it is, like,

449
00:16:00,863 --> 00:16:02,301
when things are going well for me when

450
00:16:02,461 --> 00:16:03,260
I'm presenting his mail.

451
00:16:05,098 --> 00:16:06,617
Sometimes I can fool myself or just thinking

452
00:16:06,697 --> 00:16:07,895
I can live like this forever, but I

453
00:16:07,895 --> 00:16:09,667
have to be things that to be, like,

454
00:16:09,827 --> 00:16:12,243
perfect for me to not feel

455
00:16:13,739 --> 00:16:14,058
sad.

456
00:16:14,777 --> 00:16:15,016
Like,

457
00:16:15,655 --> 00:16:17,571
and the way I sort describe that is,

458
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like,

459
00:16:18,782 --> 00:16:20,774
you know, if you imagine, like, everyone's happiness

460
00:16:20,774 --> 00:16:22,368
is on a scale of, like, negative a

461
00:16:22,368 --> 00:16:24,279
hundred to a hundred right, hundreds best negatives

462
00:16:24,279 --> 00:16:26,829
hundreds is the worst. And most people they're

463
00:16:26,829 --> 00:16:27,329
they're

464
00:16:28,039 --> 00:16:29,627
like, you know, you get a promotion at

465
00:16:29,627 --> 00:16:31,455
work. It's, like, plus 25 or, you know,

466
00:16:31,613 --> 00:16:34,394
your cat runs away minus 15 or something

467
00:16:34,394 --> 00:16:34,950
like that. You.

468
00:16:36,874 --> 00:16:38,333
Most people are out of 0

469
00:16:38,712 --> 00:16:41,209
naturally, but, like, I'm naturally, like, a negative

470
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50 negative 60 type thing. So I have

471
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to be you know, where a normal person

472
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would be, like, an 80 or 90 on

473
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that scale, I am a 40 or 50.

474
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At the best. That's the best I can

475
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get. Would you say that's the reason why

476
00:16:55,174 --> 00:16:56,791
a lot of trans folks

477
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turned to drugs and alcohol as a means

478
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of elevating their moods

479
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I... I mean, I imagine the suicide rates

480
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gotta be off this charts. Yeah. It's definitely

481
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Trans teens have the highest rate of suicide,

482
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and just trans... Trans women in general

483
00:17:13,825 --> 00:17:16,760
have the highest mortality rates, whether it's homicide

484
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or suicide, Much side I imagine it's a

485
00:17:19,237 --> 00:17:20,429
big 1 too. Yeah.

486
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Absolutely. A lot of people fine.

487
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Yes. And I'll talk about that in a

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little bit. Do have a lot say about

489
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that.

490
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I hesitate to there Speak for a train...

491
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All trans people, but, I would I would

492
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not be surprised if that was way. A

493
00:17:36,069 --> 00:17:37,349
lot of them turned drugs in our alcohol.

494
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So, yeah, I basically just realized That I

495
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was trans, and then I

496
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said... Oh, I'll worry about this in the

497
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summer,

498
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and then the next 4 months were absolute

499
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help because,

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you know,

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going to school,

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presenting his male when I knew that was

503
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a lie. To college?

504
00:17:57,849 --> 00:17:58,570
Yeah. To college,

505
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presenting his mail.

506
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It's it's not easy.

507
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There are a lot of dark kinds.

508
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Not that Just...

509
00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:14,079
Well, you know,

510
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Batman man might be transgender. Who knows? We

511
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don't know...

512
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Yeah.

513
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I did read an article about why we

514
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don't know the real

515
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population of transgender Americans

516
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because so many people... Because we have this

517
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idea the gender is a binary,

518
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if we were to simplify the gender to,

519
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like, this a scale from 1 to 10:10

520
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female weren't being male. Yeah.

521
00:18:37,285 --> 00:18:38,476
You probably actually to, like a 7 or

522
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an 8 to really feel dis work enough

523
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to

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to want to transition, and also a lot

525
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of people

526
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are

527
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do identify entirely as female privately but they

528
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don't. Like, they mentioned this 1 guy who

529
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is, like, this

530
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successful lawyer, Chicago,

531
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who wrote in anonymously or something was saying,

532
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like, when I take surveys online, for instance,

533
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I checked the box female. It's an anonymous

534
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survey without even thinking.

535
00:19:04,091 --> 00:19:06,564
But I would never... And III have always

536
00:19:06,564 --> 00:19:09,313
wanted to be female but always like, admired

537
00:19:09,931 --> 00:19:12,006
like, the feminine form whatever and want that

538
00:19:12,006 --> 00:19:12,485
for myself,

539
00:19:13,204 --> 00:19:15,998
but I would never ever transition because my

540
00:19:15,998 --> 00:19:18,806
life right now is is good, and I

541
00:19:18,806 --> 00:19:20,321
don't know when my life would hold if

542
00:19:20,401 --> 00:19:20,959
I transitioned.

543
00:19:21,676 --> 00:19:24,866
Scott said just scary, no man's land. No

544
00:19:24,866 --> 00:19:26,142
again, part in the pun, but,

545
00:19:27,034 --> 00:19:28,230
to not really...

546
00:19:29,904 --> 00:19:30,143
I mean,

547
00:19:31,338 --> 00:19:33,809
I believe that most of us spend our

548
00:19:33,809 --> 00:19:35,220
entire lives wearing masks

549
00:19:36,052 --> 00:19:38,829
for sure. Yeah. And many of us are

550
00:19:38,829 --> 00:19:41,209
quite miserable in the process of trying to

551
00:19:41,209 --> 00:19:42,295
be something we're not

552
00:19:42,732 --> 00:19:44,084
which is why I always find it interesting.

553
00:19:44,243 --> 00:19:45,617
There's so much hate against

554
00:19:45,992 --> 00:19:47,367
trans people because

555
00:19:47,980 --> 00:19:50,127
I find it... It shows a grand lack

556
00:19:50,127 --> 00:19:52,606
of empathy for one's own struggle. I mean,

557
00:19:52,844 --> 00:19:53,899
Yeah. We're constantly

558
00:19:54,351 --> 00:19:56,016
pretending to be something We're not when we

559
00:19:56,016 --> 00:19:57,047
got into the world.

560
00:19:58,078 --> 00:19:59,743
How is that different? You know? I mean,

561
00:20:00,552 --> 00:20:03,648
As far, you know, rudimentary speaking. So you're

562
00:20:03,648 --> 00:20:04,783
in third grade

563
00:20:05,394 --> 00:20:07,959
and you're thinking to yourself

564
00:20:08,267 --> 00:20:10,328
something is not right here,

565
00:20:11,438 --> 00:20:13,658
and you go in and you steal your

566
00:20:13,658 --> 00:20:15,481
mom's clothing and suddenly you're, like,

567
00:20:16,768 --> 00:20:18,915
How do... So I know that that there

568
00:20:18,915 --> 00:20:20,346
is a great percent. Not a great percentage

569
00:20:20,506 --> 00:20:23,289
As a percentage of men who dress as

570
00:20:23,289 --> 00:20:23,766
female.

571
00:20:24,498 --> 00:20:26,431
Who are trans night

572
00:20:27,206 --> 00:20:29,277
who live their lives as males, but they

573
00:20:29,277 --> 00:20:30,790
also live their lives as females.

574
00:20:31,189 --> 00:20:31,905
That's different.

575
00:20:32,781 --> 00:20:35,268
Yeah. Right. To speak to that a little

576
00:20:35,268 --> 00:20:35,428
bit.

577
00:20:36,464 --> 00:20:36,624
Can?

578
00:20:37,342 --> 00:20:37,581
It's

579
00:20:38,697 --> 00:20:40,771
it's different in that, like, But I notice

580
00:20:40,771 --> 00:20:41,590
what left.

581
00:20:42,859 --> 00:20:44,773
You know, a trans site. Of course.

582
00:20:47,645 --> 00:20:50,356
My understanding is it's a difference between like.

583
00:20:51,473 --> 00:20:51,973
They

584
00:20:54,032 --> 00:20:55,617
you know, dressing and drag,

585
00:20:57,202 --> 00:20:58,629
and it's fun, and they enjoy it.

586
00:21:00,707 --> 00:21:01,207
But

587
00:21:01,582 --> 00:21:02,854
and maybe they even prefer it.

588
00:21:03,650 --> 00:21:05,479
But when they take it off and they

589
00:21:05,479 --> 00:21:07,150
go back into the real world, they're fine.

590
00:21:07,324 --> 00:21:09,558
Know, if they're not. Right for you. It's

591
00:21:09,558 --> 00:21:12,691
to. You're trying to. They we'll

592
00:21:13,069 --> 00:21:15,977
dress in women's clothes, you and

593
00:21:16,433 --> 00:21:18,744
or Back then, especially, I dressing women's clothes.

594
00:21:20,018 --> 00:21:20,518
And

595
00:21:22,424 --> 00:21:24,017
it felt better,

596
00:21:24,893 --> 00:21:27,124
but it still it good. Because... Because you're

597
00:21:27,124 --> 00:21:28,637
during in your body, you're still in the

598
00:21:28,637 --> 00:21:31,520
body that... Yeah. It I was I was

599
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:32,157
like, you know,

600
00:21:33,591 --> 00:21:35,185
I I would like, look in the mirror

601
00:21:35,185 --> 00:21:35,822
and see this...

602
00:21:36,554 --> 00:21:37,985
I'm, like, so close to what I would

603
00:21:37,985 --> 00:21:39,417
wanna be, but I wouldn't be there And

604
00:21:39,496 --> 00:21:40,291
I I it was like,

605
00:21:41,723 --> 00:21:42,995
I sort of describe it as, like, a,

606
00:21:43,075 --> 00:21:45,395
you you can't look away from this... Crude

607
00:21:45,395 --> 00:21:46,743
parody. I see in the mirror,

608
00:21:48,568 --> 00:21:50,472
but I hate it. I can't... I hate

609
00:21:50,472 --> 00:21:51,742
it, but I can't look away. Yeah.

610
00:21:52,535 --> 00:21:52,853
So, yeah,

611
00:21:54,537 --> 00:21:56,309
I think it's interesting this idea that

612
00:21:57,161 --> 00:21:58,513
everyone has masks, you know, and we sort

613
00:21:58,513 --> 00:22:00,739
of deem that people who are trying to

614
00:22:00,739 --> 00:22:02,091
remove their masks, you know, sure.

615
00:22:03,459 --> 00:22:06,655
And I had a neuroscience professor last semester

616
00:22:06,655 --> 00:22:06,815
who...

617
00:22:07,534 --> 00:22:08,971
She was she's a Lesbian,

618
00:22:09,531 --> 00:22:09,611
and,

619
00:22:10,824 --> 00:22:12,820
I was having meeting with her where we

620
00:22:12,820 --> 00:22:14,736
were talking about this, you know. And she

621
00:22:14,736 --> 00:22:15,853
was saying you should...

622
00:22:16,652 --> 00:22:18,488
I hope 1 day you feel lucky because

623
00:22:18,488 --> 00:22:19,845
so many sis straight people.

624
00:22:20,418 --> 00:22:22,331
Don't get the opportunity to

625
00:22:24,324 --> 00:22:27,273
really discover who they are because they're they

626
00:22:27,273 --> 00:22:27,911
have, like,

627
00:22:28,565 --> 00:22:31,924
it's in some senses of a benefit and

628
00:22:31,924 --> 00:22:32,904
the fact that they

629
00:22:34,164 --> 00:22:35,944
don't... They're never challenged

630
00:22:36,339 --> 00:22:38,097
for their identity. Mh. They're never,

631
00:22:39,136 --> 00:22:41,294
forced to really examine themselves because they are

632
00:22:41,294 --> 00:22:44,651
the norm. They're, you know, they're natural. You

633
00:22:44,651 --> 00:22:45,210
know, they

634
00:22:46,983 --> 00:22:47,483
they

635
00:22:49,220 --> 00:22:50,898
they can live their entire lives and everyone's

636
00:22:50,898 --> 00:22:52,415
question why they are, who they are.

637
00:22:53,469 --> 00:22:54,825
Yeah. But see. I had to do... I

638
00:22:54,825 --> 00:22:56,740
have to disagree with that because I think

639
00:22:56,740 --> 00:22:59,772
as a heterosexual female, for example, a white

640
00:22:59,772 --> 00:23:00,570
1 as well.

641
00:23:01,143 --> 00:23:03,613
I mean, I'm constantly questioning my place in

642
00:23:03,613 --> 00:23:05,207
the world, who I am, what I am.

643
00:23:05,366 --> 00:23:06,800
You know, all that kind of stuff. So

644
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,872
I I do... I mean, I understand what

645
00:23:08,872 --> 00:23:10,306
she's trying to say. But

646
00:23:11,517 --> 00:23:11,756
You...

647
00:23:12,552 --> 00:23:12,951
But, like,

648
00:23:14,225 --> 00:23:16,159
many, many heterosexual sis

649
00:23:16,775 --> 00:23:17,890
people. Sis.

650
00:23:18,702 --> 00:23:21,910
2. Sis means cis gender helped you born

651
00:23:22,526 --> 00:23:24,199
the the sex years kind of birth matches

652
00:23:24,199 --> 00:23:25,872
your identity. Thank you. Got. Yeah.

653
00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:29,178
Assist straight

654
00:23:29,797 --> 00:23:30,297
people

655
00:23:30,836 --> 00:23:32,913
could go their entire lives and never once

656
00:23:32,913 --> 00:23:34,591
actually have to examine the themselves. You have

657
00:23:34,591 --> 00:23:36,005
and that you're better for it

658
00:23:36,683 --> 00:23:38,679
and, you know... Oh, I think a lot

659
00:23:38,679 --> 00:23:39,797
of people don't. I see what you're saying.

660
00:23:39,956 --> 00:23:41,553
A lot of people don't because they're not

661
00:23:41,553 --> 00:23:43,469
forced. When your L lgbt, you don't have

662
00:23:43,469 --> 00:23:46,779
a choice. Right. Right. You you have to

663
00:23:47,318 --> 00:23:49,555
go through that sort of gauntlet of who

664
00:23:49,555 --> 00:23:52,033
am Why am I? Well, yeah. Because you

665
00:23:52,033 --> 00:23:53,391
spend your whole life of people pointing at

666
00:23:53,391 --> 00:23:55,823
you going, you're different. You're different. And more

667
00:23:55,879 --> 00:23:58,103
time you're... Yeah. And verifying it.

668
00:23:59,612 --> 00:24:00,906
Like, are you sure

669
00:24:01,439 --> 00:24:03,425
and that... That's a question that I've gotten

670
00:24:03,425 --> 00:24:04,378
several times. Sure.

671
00:24:06,947 --> 00:24:07,905
So, yeah, it's, like...

672
00:24:08,704 --> 00:24:09,743
So she said, at the end of the

673
00:24:09,743 --> 00:24:12,434
day, I hope you feel lucky that you

674
00:24:12,954 --> 00:24:14,632
we're forced to do something that you might

675
00:24:14,632 --> 00:24:16,790
not have done otherwise. Mh. Not you're forced

676
00:24:16,790 --> 00:24:18,628
to really discover who you are.

677
00:24:19,827 --> 00:24:20,327
And

678
00:24:20,866 --> 00:24:21,265
so while,

679
00:24:22,078 --> 00:24:24,386
So I'm sort of in the process of

680
00:24:24,386 --> 00:24:25,500
removing my mask,

681
00:24:26,694 --> 00:24:27,194
and

682
00:24:28,842 --> 00:24:29,240
I think...

683
00:24:30,053 --> 00:24:32,127
Hopefully, 1 day, I feel lucky for that.

684
00:24:34,122 --> 00:24:36,675
I don't at the moment. But... I can't

685
00:24:36,675 --> 00:24:38,764
imagine since you're at the beginning of this

686
00:24:38,764 --> 00:24:39,403
journey, and,

687
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,912
we had discussed off off air that

688
00:24:43,710 --> 00:24:45,464
that you'd like to come back again and

689
00:24:45,464 --> 00:24:46,921
and talk about it once you're

690
00:24:47,234 --> 00:24:48,913
You're not out yet. No.

691
00:24:50,111 --> 00:24:52,908
I'm out to probably 90 to 95 percent

692
00:24:52,908 --> 00:24:55,086
of my friends. Yeah. It's probably

693
00:24:56,278 --> 00:24:57,710
a few hundred people that know now.

694
00:24:58,665 --> 00:25:01,131
But I'm not officially out. You know, I

695
00:25:01,131 --> 00:25:02,404
at work I to present his male.

696
00:25:03,374 --> 00:25:05,550
Then in my community back home, I

697
00:25:07,046 --> 00:25:08,563
know when well a lot of people don't

698
00:25:08,563 --> 00:25:11,276
know. Your hometown. You mean... My hometown. Yeah.

699
00:25:11,436 --> 00:25:11,596
Mh.

700
00:25:12,249 --> 00:25:14,393
That's gonna be really interesting too because here

701
00:25:14,393 --> 00:25:17,093
you are, your mind knows where you're heading.

702
00:25:17,411 --> 00:25:20,429
You begun steps to get there. And yet,

703
00:25:20,747 --> 00:25:21,644
you have to

704
00:25:22,592 --> 00:25:24,287
you know, it's sort of a Ci d

705
00:25:24,585 --> 00:25:26,121
thing, you know, you're you're

706
00:25:26,498 --> 00:25:27,614
you're in the crowd,

707
00:25:28,331 --> 00:25:30,737
and I imagine and you're sort of speaking

708
00:25:30,737 --> 00:25:33,044
to this thing of that you're you're going

709
00:25:33,044 --> 00:25:36,328
to be and you are and yet

710
00:25:37,753 --> 00:25:40,388
around you, god only knows. I mean, I'm

711
00:25:40,388 --> 00:25:42,304
sure you're face with people that are rather

712
00:25:42,304 --> 00:25:44,539
bigoted in that regard and and you hear

713
00:25:44,539 --> 00:25:47,740
that. So how how that must feel?

714
00:25:48,693 --> 00:25:50,123
Yeah. At work, especially.

715
00:25:52,346 --> 00:25:54,332
I've heard trans comments.

716
00:25:54,984 --> 00:25:57,544
I've been at work at this job since

717
00:25:57,544 --> 00:25:59,625
they I got back home for 4 weeks,

718
00:26:00,984 --> 00:26:03,244
and I've already had 3 instances of

719
00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:05,633
just casual trans sylvia.

720
00:26:07,387 --> 00:26:08,344
His first was

721
00:26:10,497 --> 00:26:11,613
someone was telling me that

722
00:26:13,777 --> 00:26:15,367
he didn't like the idea of, you know,

723
00:26:15,526 --> 00:26:17,831
trans women in the bathroom with his daughter.

724
00:26:19,421 --> 00:26:21,011
His hypothetical future daughter.

725
00:26:22,219 --> 00:26:22,719
And

726
00:26:23,336 --> 00:26:24,853
I had to have that conversation with him

727
00:26:24,853 --> 00:26:25,331
saying, like,

728
00:26:27,167 --> 00:26:27,667
you

729
00:26:28,045 --> 00:26:29,082
you're gonna have to get over a sort

730
00:26:29,082 --> 00:26:29,641
of thing and

731
00:26:30,374 --> 00:26:32,052
basically him to the end of that conversation.

732
00:26:32,691 --> 00:26:34,369
I think he understood a little bit better.

733
00:26:34,928 --> 00:26:36,286
And he was a little... He was, like,

734
00:26:36,606 --> 00:26:36,846
yeah.

735
00:26:37,979 --> 00:26:39,494
I've just uncomfortable with it, but I guess,

736
00:26:41,250 --> 00:26:42,526
I guess that's just the way the world

737
00:26:42,526 --> 00:26:44,894
works. Do you think that's all learned ignorance

738
00:26:45,333 --> 00:26:48,441
his fear is a learned fear. I think

739
00:26:48,441 --> 00:26:52,049
about when noble bathroom thing came up and

740
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:54,428
where, you know, you can only use the

741
00:26:54,428 --> 00:26:56,597
bathroom if the gender you were born as

742
00:26:57,686 --> 00:27:00,561
is the... You know, whatever. The that That

743
00:27:00,561 --> 00:27:02,071
gender is the 1 bathroom you have to

744
00:27:02,071 --> 00:27:03,898
use. That if you have transition and let's

745
00:27:03,898 --> 00:27:05,486
say, I'm now a man.

746
00:27:06,122 --> 00:27:08,290
I still have to use the female bathroom

747
00:27:08,346 --> 00:27:09,220
just... Or, do you know,

748
00:27:10,908 --> 00:27:14,284
it's very confusing, which I find that insane

749
00:27:14,344 --> 00:27:16,341
on so many levels first of all, but

750
00:27:16,341 --> 00:27:18,593
mostly, I think about I was in college,

751
00:27:19,153 --> 00:27:21,470
first of all, the female line bathroom was

752
00:27:21,470 --> 00:27:23,228
way too long. I went in the man's

753
00:27:23,228 --> 00:27:23,728
bathroom

754
00:27:24,187 --> 00:27:25,465
all the time.

755
00:27:26,598 --> 00:27:28,751
Nobody taught me. Nobody worried I was gonna

756
00:27:28,751 --> 00:27:31,382
mole molested anyone. Nobody... I mean, what, fear

757
00:27:31,382 --> 00:27:32,679
is such a ridiculous

758
00:27:33,295 --> 00:27:34,331
Yeah. Emotion.

759
00:27:35,063 --> 00:27:37,131
Trans people have been using the bathroom of

760
00:27:37,131 --> 00:27:38,086
their gender identity.

761
00:27:38,722 --> 00:27:39,222
Forever.

762
00:27:40,154 --> 00:27:40,870
Which is forever.

763
00:27:41,586 --> 00:27:43,257
I was recently reading about

764
00:27:44,069 --> 00:27:44,309
the

765
00:27:45,587 --> 00:27:47,264
and but the end of that point, I...

766
00:27:47,584 --> 00:27:49,182
You know, They've been using the bathroom they

767
00:27:49,182 --> 00:27:50,674
want to for for

768
00:27:51,432 --> 00:27:53,824
forever. And there's never once been a case

769
00:27:53,824 --> 00:27:55,760
of a trans woman mole lust

770
00:27:56,615 --> 00:27:57,811
anyone in a ridiculous?

771
00:27:58,529 --> 00:27:59,826
Have been plenty of cases

772
00:28:00,139 --> 00:28:02,457
of trans women being attacked in the bathroom

773
00:28:02,457 --> 00:28:04,454
of the of the sex they were gonna

774
00:28:04,454 --> 00:28:06,133
assigned at birth because they were forced to

775
00:28:06,133 --> 00:28:07,731
use that bathroom where they were too afraid

776
00:28:07,731 --> 00:28:08,870
to not use that bathroom

777
00:28:09,182 --> 00:28:10,930
someone... You know, Oh, you wanna be a

778
00:28:10,930 --> 00:28:12,836
woman will let me, you know, do this

779
00:28:12,836 --> 00:28:14,266
to you because that's what you get.

780
00:28:15,933 --> 00:28:17,681
So it's for oh it's for our own

781
00:28:17,681 --> 00:28:20,170
safety that we use the bathroom the of

782
00:28:20,170 --> 00:28:23,130
our generate Identity. Yeah. So I was reading

783
00:28:23,130 --> 00:28:23,289
the...

784
00:28:24,410 --> 00:28:26,170
To speak to the whole trans a little

785
00:28:26,170 --> 00:28:27,470
bit your forever. I was reading

786
00:28:28,102 --> 00:28:28,899
thing about

787
00:28:29,616 --> 00:28:31,607
you know, in the Native American culture,

788
00:28:32,723 --> 00:28:34,179
people who are transgender

789
00:28:35,047 --> 00:28:35,547
are

790
00:28:36,002 --> 00:28:39,025
revered. They're they're called 2 spirits because they're

791
00:28:39,025 --> 00:28:40,616
believed to be in touch with both the

792
00:28:40,616 --> 00:28:41,672
male and the female

793
00:28:42,544 --> 00:28:42,784
mind,

794
00:28:43,664 --> 00:28:44,304
and so they...

795
00:28:45,505 --> 00:28:47,184
And that's like a real thing that that,

796
00:28:48,144 --> 00:28:48,625
since, like,

797
00:28:49,265 --> 00:28:50,736
like, native Americans

798
00:28:51,270 --> 00:28:53,917
cut off from, you know, like, European world

799
00:28:55,008 --> 00:28:56,122
had trans people.

800
00:28:56,932 --> 00:28:59,658
And they instead of demon digitizing them. They

801
00:29:00,192 --> 00:29:01,146
revere them, they worship them.

802
00:29:02,021 --> 00:29:04,429
Oh, many of the gods in methodologies

803
00:29:04,883 --> 00:29:05,996
are of full sexes.

804
00:29:06,648 --> 00:29:06,886
Yeah.

805
00:29:07,762 --> 00:29:10,548
So, like, intersex, transgender, all these things.

806
00:29:11,264 --> 00:29:13,094
They're real things. They're not just something that,

807
00:29:13,174 --> 00:29:13,572
you know,

808
00:29:14,304 --> 00:29:16,615
tumblr users on 20 16 have decided to

809
00:29:16,615 --> 00:29:18,766
start doing. This is something that have happened

810
00:29:18,766 --> 00:29:19,266
since

811
00:29:20,121 --> 00:29:21,396
like, there haven't humans.

812
00:29:22,366 --> 00:29:23,344
And it's a biological.

813
00:29:23,719 --> 00:29:24,752
It's a neurological thing.

814
00:29:26,184 --> 00:29:29,604
You know, like trans, women, for instance, their

815
00:29:29,604 --> 00:29:30,104
brains

816
00:29:30,733 --> 00:29:31,233
are

817
00:29:31,929 --> 00:29:32,429
structured

818
00:29:33,442 --> 00:29:34,876
more similar to,

819
00:29:35,753 --> 00:29:38,159
a female brain than a male brain and

820
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:39,597
that's even before hormones,

821
00:29:41,115 --> 00:29:43,672
they've been studies that have shown this, you

822
00:29:43,672 --> 00:29:45,050
know, it's not just someone

823
00:29:45,523 --> 00:29:48,062
wanting to wear room close. And that's the

824
00:29:48,062 --> 00:29:48,562
key

825
00:29:49,015 --> 00:29:50,046
understanding that I think a lot of people

826
00:29:50,046 --> 00:29:52,189
want to come to for them to fully

827
00:29:52,189 --> 00:29:53,141
accept trans people's.

828
00:29:54,906 --> 00:29:57,538
Ask who they are. Yeah. Well, I think

829
00:29:57,538 --> 00:29:59,930
people ignorance it's too, they'll not automatically assume

830
00:29:59,930 --> 00:30:01,604
oh, that person must have been molested as

831
00:30:01,604 --> 00:30:04,803
a child or that person didn't have a

832
00:30:04,803 --> 00:30:06,948
particular parent that should love or maybe another

833
00:30:06,948 --> 00:30:08,799
for, you know, for those a million

834
00:30:09,412 --> 00:30:11,478
reasons that people that don't know better are

835
00:30:11,478 --> 00:30:12,924
gonna come up with why.

836
00:30:14,516 --> 00:30:16,107
Right? I mean, some of them might not

837
00:30:16,107 --> 00:30:17,380
even get that far. They might just say,

838
00:30:17,539 --> 00:30:18,255
oh, they're just gay.

839
00:30:19,384 --> 00:30:21,302
Right. Which is not... I'm just because you're

840
00:30:21,302 --> 00:30:24,019
transgender doesn't mean you wanna have sex with

841
00:30:24,019 --> 00:30:27,375
the whatever gender you become, Mean, or not

842
00:30:27,375 --> 00:30:29,708
become. I explain that because I'm gonna trip

843
00:30:29,708 --> 00:30:30,906
over my tongue. Yeah.

844
00:30:31,786 --> 00:30:33,784
Gender is fluid. Just a sexuality of fluid.

845
00:30:33,943 --> 00:30:35,382
Is what I tried to. Yeah. And and

846
00:30:35,382 --> 00:30:37,380
they're separately fluid. They don't have Absolutely.

847
00:30:38,994 --> 00:30:42,035
You know, I a trans male friend means

848
00:30:42,035 --> 00:30:45,335
that he was born female and has transitioned

849
00:30:45,889 --> 00:30:47,406
to be on the boy he is today.

850
00:30:48,603 --> 00:30:49,561
And he was

851
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:50,279
you know,

852
00:30:51,557 --> 00:30:54,031
he was talking about on Twitter like, oh,

853
00:30:55,003 --> 00:30:55,083
this...

854
00:30:56,836 --> 00:30:57,235
He said,

855
00:30:59,227 --> 00:31:01,140
he was quoting court he gets which is,

856
00:31:02,988 --> 00:31:04,123
Oh, you

857
00:31:04,577 --> 00:31:06,564
you, like, boys well why didn't you stay

858
00:31:06,564 --> 00:31:07,200
a girl then?

859
00:31:07,994 --> 00:31:09,822
And which is strong in so many levels

860
00:31:09,822 --> 00:31:11,594
a, He doesn't wanna be with

861
00:31:12,303 --> 00:31:14,140
men as a woman, he wants to be

862
00:31:14,140 --> 00:31:15,018
with men as a man.

863
00:31:15,976 --> 00:31:16,535
And b,

864
00:31:17,413 --> 00:31:17,732
he,

865
00:31:18,371 --> 00:31:21,106
the fact, like, to not to say that

866
00:31:22,138 --> 00:31:24,374
that just ignores the fact that gender and

867
00:31:24,374 --> 00:31:25,432
sex or

868
00:31:25,811 --> 00:31:26,449
sexuality are

869
00:31:27,407 --> 00:31:30,042
entirely separate things, and 1 does not influence

870
00:31:30,042 --> 00:31:32,627
the other at all. You know, So

871
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:36,096
that's a common misconception. Yeah. I would imagine

872
00:31:36,096 --> 00:31:36,573
it would be.

873
00:31:37,446 --> 00:31:39,769
I know trans women who like, women, I

874
00:31:39,769 --> 00:31:42,269
know trans women who, like men. I know

875
00:31:42,650 --> 00:31:44,890
and same thing trans boys who, like,

876
00:31:45,610 --> 00:31:46,650
other men and

877
00:31:47,463 --> 00:31:49,928
transmit who, like, when. So, you know, It's

878
00:31:49,928 --> 00:31:52,552
all it's all different. Yeah. Absolutely.

879
00:31:53,347 --> 00:31:54,857
And then there's, like pan by all those

880
00:31:54,857 --> 00:31:57,978
people. Every every type of this person there

881
00:31:57,978 --> 00:31:59,816
is... There's a type of for that.

882
00:32:00,535 --> 00:32:02,772
And what between pan and bisexual?

883
00:32:05,102 --> 00:32:05,341
Bisexual,

884
00:32:06,457 --> 00:32:08,848
my understanding, and I'm not and expert on

885
00:32:08,848 --> 00:32:11,080
this enough to really speak to it, but

886
00:32:11,479 --> 00:32:13,484
my understanding is you're bisexual,

887
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:15,552
you like men and women.

888
00:32:16,268 --> 00:32:18,098
But you like men because of this men...

889
00:32:18,416 --> 00:32:20,498
Masculine things about them. Be like, learning because

890
00:32:20,498 --> 00:32:22,723
of their feminine qualities are the the... Who

891
00:32:22,723 --> 00:32:23,358
they are as alone.

892
00:32:24,392 --> 00:32:26,616
Pan, you like someone because... You will like

893
00:32:26,616 --> 00:32:27,593
anybody because

894
00:32:28,855 --> 00:32:30,124
but it's because of the person they aren't.

895
00:32:30,362 --> 00:32:32,187
Like, they're full or something. That's so. Yeah.

896
00:32:32,346 --> 00:32:33,615
And you would connect their soul and, you

897
00:32:33,615 --> 00:32:33,694
know?

898
00:32:35,693 --> 00:32:37,127
So you don't care what their gender is.

899
00:32:37,366 --> 00:32:39,119
What their gender has no influence on how

900
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:41,349
you feel about this. That's. That makes sense.

901
00:32:41,987 --> 00:32:43,898
Yeah. Yeah. That's how I thought it was

902
00:32:43,898 --> 00:32:44,536
too. Okay.

903
00:32:46,061 --> 00:32:46,561
So

904
00:32:47,729 --> 00:32:48,706
at what point

905
00:32:49,238 --> 00:32:51,065
you saw you you had come out to

906
00:32:51,065 --> 00:32:53,862
your friends. At what point did you you

907
00:32:53,862 --> 00:32:55,694
come out to your parents and explain how

908
00:32:55,694 --> 00:32:56,809
that went.

909
00:32:58,242 --> 00:33:00,415
I came out to my parents over

910
00:33:00,791 --> 00:33:03,351
that way break between my time in Europe

911
00:33:03,351 --> 00:33:03,851
and

912
00:33:04,224 --> 00:33:05,811
the time back in school.

913
00:33:07,081 --> 00:33:09,541
So you wrote the essay sa. Yeah. I

914
00:33:09,541 --> 00:33:10,944
wrote the essay and III

915
00:33:11,303 --> 00:33:12,339
left Essay on the...

916
00:33:13,374 --> 00:33:15,048
The answer that had written back in September.

917
00:33:15,764 --> 00:33:16,800
I love that on,

918
00:33:18,792 --> 00:33:19,292
the

919
00:33:21,116 --> 00:33:22,706
like, kitchen table or something.

920
00:33:23,262 --> 00:33:24,534
It told my dad had something that I

921
00:33:24,534 --> 00:33:25,249
wanted to read.

922
00:33:27,077 --> 00:33:28,213
And then I

923
00:33:28,524 --> 00:33:30,837
what to taco bell and waited until I

924
00:33:30,837 --> 00:33:31,555
got a text message.

925
00:33:33,150 --> 00:33:33,650
And,

926
00:33:34,027 --> 00:33:34,346
you know,

927
00:33:35,223 --> 00:33:36,659
they were supportive, And I knew they would

928
00:33:36,659 --> 00:33:37,138
be supportive.

929
00:33:38,988 --> 00:33:40,744
I think my dad took some time for

930
00:33:40,744 --> 00:33:42,500
him to really come in terms of it.

931
00:33:44,016 --> 00:33:44,516
And,

932
00:33:44,894 --> 00:33:46,251
you know, I had a conversation with him

933
00:33:46,251 --> 00:33:48,183
that I don't wanna go into too much

934
00:33:48,183 --> 00:33:49,941
detail, but wanna go back ever Had of

935
00:33:49,941 --> 00:33:50,680
conversation with him

936
00:33:51,778 --> 00:33:52,678
about the whole

937
00:33:53,057 --> 00:33:53,877
situation and

938
00:33:55,549 --> 00:33:55,868
you know,

939
00:33:56,987 --> 00:33:59,804
At this point now, like, 6 months after

940
00:34:00,182 --> 00:34:00,981
that initial

941
00:34:02,434 --> 00:34:02,833
coming out.

942
00:34:05,466 --> 00:34:08,019
They are, like, as supportive, like, can possibly

943
00:34:08,019 --> 00:34:10,667
help. So... That's great. So, yeah, I feel

944
00:34:10,667 --> 00:34:11,862
very lucky that a lot of trans people

945
00:34:11,862 --> 00:34:13,457
will have a way worse than do. Well,

946
00:34:13,696 --> 00:34:16,109
I that's why there's so many trans homeless

947
00:34:16,167 --> 00:34:17,682
and gay and that's being homeless.

948
00:34:18,572 --> 00:34:20,554
It almost... It seems... It's it's funny because,

949
00:34:20,632 --> 00:34:21,608
you know, I know

950
00:34:22,455 --> 00:34:24,515
when you when you talk about this sort

951
00:34:24,515 --> 00:34:25,070
of thing,

952
00:34:25,799 --> 00:34:27,714
everything gets lumped together, which is why I

953
00:34:27,714 --> 00:34:29,869
think it confuses people the think that trans

954
00:34:29,869 --> 00:34:33,003
sec... Trans sexual has something to do with

955
00:34:33,061 --> 00:34:33,460
sexuality.

956
00:34:33,953 --> 00:34:36,018
Because every everything gets lumped together which, in

957
00:34:36,018 --> 00:34:37,709
a way, almost I think is

958
00:34:38,242 --> 00:34:41,339
a disservice to each individual person.

959
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:43,976
Yeah. And I think in a way, it's...

960
00:34:45,804 --> 00:34:46,702
And I'm not

961
00:34:47,076 --> 00:34:49,460
actually placing blame here. But, in a way,

962
00:34:49,698 --> 00:34:51,025
I think it might be the Lt

963
00:34:51,543 --> 00:34:52,661
can we useful vault because,

964
00:34:53,459 --> 00:34:53,778
you know,

965
00:34:54,497 --> 00:34:57,073
we call ourselves the Lgbt will not L

966
00:34:57,132 --> 00:34:59,287
lgbtq, a club there's a lot of their

967
00:34:59,287 --> 00:35:00,585
colors now. But

968
00:35:00,980 --> 00:35:02,420
but a lot of times we still say

969
00:35:02,420 --> 00:35:03,140
just that be,

970
00:35:04,260 --> 00:35:06,599
which to me, I think is silly because

971
00:35:07,539 --> 00:35:09,800
we have 3 different words for

972
00:35:11,068 --> 00:35:12,579
for sexually queer,

973
00:35:13,693 --> 00:35:14,829
you know, Lesbian

974
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:16,929
bisexual gay

975
00:35:17,367 --> 00:35:19,276
And then we have 1 word transgender that

976
00:35:19,276 --> 00:35:21,287
just encompasses all the gender clear people

977
00:35:21,742 --> 00:35:22,242
and

978
00:35:23,333 --> 00:35:26,048
we and that we those those 4... Or

979
00:35:26,048 --> 00:35:28,850
those... This group is combined together as 1

980
00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:30,596
sort of movement

981
00:35:31,128 --> 00:35:32,581
because we're so marginalized.

982
00:35:32,969 --> 00:35:36,005
Though, sure. And that makes sense. Works well

983
00:35:36,005 --> 00:35:37,523
we have to form this coalition to actually

984
00:35:37,523 --> 00:35:39,621
make any progress. Sure. But now that

985
00:35:40,014 --> 00:35:41,932
you know, being gay, I'm not gonna say,

986
00:35:42,252 --> 00:35:43,610
especially like in the wake of the orlando

987
00:35:43,610 --> 00:35:44,809
shooting I think like that, but it's, like,

988
00:35:45,129 --> 00:35:46,268
normal and okay

989
00:35:46,648 --> 00:35:48,006
to a lot of, like, in the world

990
00:35:48,006 --> 00:35:49,306
now. Like, if they're

991
00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:51,400
device is not over, but

992
00:35:51,940 --> 00:35:52,440
the

993
00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:55,320
sexually clear movement is

994
00:35:55,619 --> 00:35:57,860
so much farther along than the gender crew,

995
00:35:58,019 --> 00:35:58,340
you know,

996
00:35:59,313 --> 00:36:00,985
people who are gender clear are just now

997
00:36:00,985 --> 00:36:01,701
getting visibility,

998
00:36:02,179 --> 00:36:02,679
and

999
00:36:03,691 --> 00:36:03,771
I...

1000
00:36:04,646 --> 00:36:05,760
I was just reading an article saying,

1001
00:36:06,875 --> 00:36:08,489
basically, the trans movement

1002
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:11,053
is at where the, like, the

1003
00:36:11,907 --> 00:36:13,182
gay and lesbian movement...

1004
00:36:13,661 --> 00:36:16,392
Like the like, sexual queer movement was

1005
00:36:16,704 --> 00:36:17,821
in, like, 2003.

1006
00:36:18,539 --> 00:36:20,694
So we're, like, 15 years behind. Now I

1007
00:36:20,694 --> 00:36:22,711
think the the rate of acceptance

1008
00:36:23,727 --> 00:36:24,467
will grow

1009
00:36:25,098 --> 00:36:27,323
faster if that makes sense. I, like, I

1010
00:36:27,482 --> 00:36:29,945
I think we are progressing as a as

1011
00:36:29,945 --> 00:36:32,273
a country as a society as a world

1012
00:36:32,583 --> 00:36:34,817
faster than we were back then because I...

1013
00:36:35,375 --> 00:36:37,688
But it's still true that we are much

1014
00:36:37,688 --> 00:36:40,719
farther behind. And so in a way, the

1015
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:41,219
t

1016
00:36:43,047 --> 00:36:43,946
may be benefited

1017
00:36:44,403 --> 00:36:45,541
if from

1018
00:36:46,158 --> 00:36:47,216
having its own

1019
00:36:48,391 --> 00:36:50,226
group because the 2 things aren't the same

1020
00:36:50,226 --> 00:36:52,953
and because they've been associated together so long

1021
00:36:52,953 --> 00:36:55,187
people assumed they're the same. Sure. And it's

1022
00:36:55,187 --> 00:36:58,220
totally understandable that that you would all come

1023
00:36:58,220 --> 00:37:00,429
together as 1 collision just because

1024
00:37:00,947 --> 00:37:02,083
it's a more powerful

1025
00:37:02,856 --> 00:37:05,164
force to be reckon with for sure, but

1026
00:37:05,244 --> 00:37:07,313
I do think it's probably confused people. But,

1027
00:37:07,392 --> 00:37:09,875
you know, that's what education is about to

1028
00:37:09,875 --> 00:37:11,786
not be afraid to learn something about your

1029
00:37:11,786 --> 00:37:14,334
fellow human being. This... It's a novel. Like

1030
00:37:14,334 --> 00:37:16,380
it's not idea. I know. But

1031
00:37:17,775 --> 00:37:18,812
For sure. What...

1032
00:37:19,610 --> 00:37:20,110
So

1033
00:37:20,567 --> 00:37:22,082
I'm trying to remember. Now I I can't

1034
00:37:22,082 --> 00:37:24,098
have a conversation with someone who's transgender

1035
00:37:24,635 --> 00:37:26,012
without bringing up the

1036
00:37:26,563 --> 00:37:29,523
there there have been transgender people forever,

1037
00:37:29,896 --> 00:37:31,958
and I find it really fascinating that

1038
00:37:32,831 --> 00:37:33,466
and famous.

1039
00:37:33,879 --> 00:37:36,351
By the way, but Caitlyn Jenner, of course,

1040
00:37:36,590 --> 00:37:38,583
got all the limelight because, you know, they

1041
00:37:38,583 --> 00:37:40,817
had that Tv show and all that. But

1042
00:37:40,817 --> 00:37:42,491
long before, Caitlyn Jenner,

1043
00:37:43,224 --> 00:37:43,864
There were others?

1044
00:37:44,423 --> 00:37:46,420
Yeah. You know, visible others.

1045
00:37:47,140 --> 00:37:47,640
Do...

1046
00:37:49,057 --> 00:37:50,336
I'd like to speak to that a little

1047
00:37:50,336 --> 00:37:51,235
bit. Do you

1048
00:37:52,428 --> 00:37:54,686
do you think that Caitlyn jenner

1049
00:37:55,065 --> 00:37:55,565
transition

1050
00:37:56,823 --> 00:37:57,323
helped

1051
00:37:57,861 --> 00:38:00,907
the cause of of having our acceptance or

1052
00:38:00,907 --> 00:38:02,043
hindered it because

1053
00:38:03,851 --> 00:38:05,522
of who she was before.

1054
00:38:07,129 --> 00:38:08,905
I was actually I was watching a

1055
00:38:09,522 --> 00:38:10,262
had talk

1056
00:38:10,798 --> 00:38:12,554
sort of about sort of about this.

1057
00:38:14,324 --> 00:38:16,792
Or at least it started being the about

1058
00:38:16,792 --> 00:38:18,863
this and it sort of evolved. But,

1059
00:38:20,376 --> 00:38:20,853
the,

1060
00:38:23,019 --> 00:38:24,860
I think it definitely helped.

1061
00:38:26,699 --> 00:38:29,360
You know, someone who was an American hero

1062
00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:30,400
be

1063
00:38:31,353 --> 00:38:32,306
coming out as trans.

1064
00:38:35,483 --> 00:38:35,983
Basically,

1065
00:38:37,628 --> 00:38:38,604
like I think

1066
00:38:39,789 --> 00:38:41,650
fast forwarded where we were at

1067
00:38:42,269 --> 00:38:43,309
as a movement, you know,

1068
00:38:44,429 --> 00:38:44,929
significantly

1069
00:38:45,389 --> 00:38:47,322
because all of a sudden, everyone had talking

1070
00:38:47,322 --> 00:38:48,115
about it. Yeah.

1071
00:38:48,750 --> 00:38:50,336
And once people are talking about it, that's

1072
00:38:50,336 --> 00:38:51,050
when change happens.

1073
00:38:52,002 --> 00:38:52,398
You know,

1074
00:38:53,112 --> 00:38:54,723
I personally know

1075
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:57,609
people

1076
00:38:58,309 --> 00:39:01,510
who... Their first reaction when Caitlyn Jenner came

1077
00:39:01,510 --> 00:39:04,164
out as trans what's to say sorry? I'm

1078
00:39:04,164 --> 00:39:05,784
still gonna call you, Bruce or

1079
00:39:06,484 --> 00:39:07,045
things like that.

1080
00:39:08,484 --> 00:39:09,525
That was, like, like,

1081
00:39:10,498 --> 00:39:12,812
Just over a year ago, I have, like,

1082
00:39:13,051 --> 00:39:16,082
friends who said that. And now a year

1083
00:39:16,082 --> 00:39:18,315
later, those same friends I've told that I'm

1084
00:39:18,315 --> 00:39:19,990
trans and they've nothing but supportive.

1085
00:39:21,196 --> 00:39:21,696
And,

1086
00:39:22,227 --> 00:39:24,924
you know, calling me by Katie instead of

1087
00:39:24,924 --> 00:39:25,480
my birth name,

1088
00:39:27,145 --> 00:39:27,645
and

1089
00:39:30,971 --> 00:39:32,027
did I think

1090
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:35,101
while I don't like Caitlyn Jenner for the

1091
00:39:35,101 --> 00:39:37,348
person she is, you know, she was Shaw

1092
00:39:37,483 --> 00:39:38,713
advocate. She

1093
00:39:39,808 --> 00:39:41,403
killed somebody and we haven't talked about that

1094
00:39:41,403 --> 00:39:44,114
for a while, Be like, but and, you

1095
00:39:44,114 --> 00:39:45,172
know, doesn't

1096
00:39:45,788 --> 00:39:46,288
support

1097
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:48,440
Lgbt rights, she doesn't...

1098
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,699
Steve was on Ellen once

1099
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,400
saying that she didn't support gay marriage, even

1100
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,320
though she was trans herself.

1101
00:39:56,931 --> 00:39:58,845
You know, I don't like her the person,

1102
00:39:59,403 --> 00:40:01,716
but I do respect what she did. I

1103
00:40:01,716 --> 00:40:02,833
don't think she should've have won woman of

1104
00:40:02,833 --> 00:40:04,428
the year. I think there's so a better

1105
00:40:04,428 --> 00:40:06,359
trans woman who could been woman of the

1106
00:40:06,359 --> 00:40:07,179
year, but

1107
00:40:07,637 --> 00:40:10,035
on the other hand, if even 1 trans

1108
00:40:10,035 --> 00:40:12,352
person saw Caitlyn jenner coming out and winning

1109
00:40:12,352 --> 00:40:13,950
a woman of the year and thought, oh,

1110
00:40:14,683 --> 00:40:16,031
you know, if there is hope for the

1111
00:40:16,031 --> 00:40:17,934
future. Right. I'm not having gonna put down

1112
00:40:17,934 --> 00:40:18,806
this razor or whatever,

1113
00:40:19,757 --> 00:40:20,788
then, you know,

1114
00:40:21,581 --> 00:40:23,429
so soviet. Like, woman of the year, I

1115
00:40:23,429 --> 00:40:24,869
don't... I couldn't tell you who anyone else

1116
00:40:24,869 --> 00:40:25,909
who's 1 1 of the year. And so

1117
00:40:25,909 --> 00:40:28,150
it's not that I'm not actually upset that

1118
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:28,550
she won,

1119
00:40:29,429 --> 00:40:29,929
that

1120
00:40:31,684 --> 00:40:32,244
that award,

1121
00:40:33,605 --> 00:40:35,224
to be honest, I just think

1122
00:40:35,684 --> 00:40:37,844
in general, she's been forced for good. Well,

1123
00:40:38,085 --> 00:40:39,684
wouldn't be wonderful if 1 day, we just

1124
00:40:39,684 --> 00:40:41,059
got to person of the ear.

1125
00:40:41,699 --> 00:40:41,859
Yeah.

1126
00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:45,460
Instead of black white, green red, orange, gay,

1127
00:40:45,699 --> 00:40:47,380
straight, wow, you know. Just person.

1128
00:40:48,112 --> 00:40:50,574
I was having conversation with someone about, like,

1129
00:40:50,653 --> 00:40:52,321
the Oscar nominations. You know that we have

1130
00:40:52,321 --> 00:40:55,125
best male actor, best female actor. And

1131
00:40:56,228 --> 00:40:57,575
somewhat like, it it was a group of

1132
00:40:57,575 --> 00:40:59,081
us. And 1 person was like, well, I

1133
00:40:59,081 --> 00:41:00,587
don't know why we gender that. We shouldn't

1134
00:41:00,587 --> 00:41:01,458
gender our awards.

1135
00:41:02,410 --> 00:41:02,885
But then,

1136
00:41:03,774 --> 00:41:05,210
someone said, well do you think if it

1137
00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:06,246
was just best actor,

1138
00:41:06,805 --> 00:41:08,161
a woman would ever have won it,

1139
00:41:08,958 --> 00:41:09,357
you know,

1140
00:41:10,872 --> 00:41:14,178
because we're still so sexist as this hoodie

1141
00:41:14,871 --> 00:41:17,337
that I think... Oh, I do Sw.

1142
00:41:18,451 --> 00:41:20,859
Yeah. Yeah. Stupid bro. Yeah. But

1143
00:41:22,283 --> 00:41:24,588
told them not to let. Veterans of probably,

1144
00:41:24,748 --> 00:41:27,768
like decades where male after male actor winning

1145
00:41:27,768 --> 00:41:29,676
every time. And, you know,

1146
00:41:30,328 --> 00:41:32,001
So I think in that sense, we gender

1147
00:41:32,001 --> 00:41:32,740
it for

1148
00:41:33,276 --> 00:41:33,776
before,

1149
00:41:34,949 --> 00:41:37,122
you know, the the marginalized groups

1150
00:41:37,578 --> 00:41:37,737
sake.

1151
00:41:38,454 --> 00:41:38,954
So

1152
00:41:39,824 --> 00:41:41,815
I... We person the year when we awarded

1153
00:41:41,815 --> 00:41:42,929
die... To own diapers.

1154
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,217
Sure. Absolutely.

1155
00:41:46,831 --> 00:41:47,889
Yeah. Absolutely.

1156
00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:49,400
It's all. I mean,

1157
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,559
it's also fascinating. Just the way humans try

1158
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:55,239
so hard to put people into groups.

1159
00:41:55,972 --> 00:41:57,907
Yep. To make themselves feel

1160
00:41:58,363 --> 00:41:58,863
superior

1161
00:41:59,717 --> 00:42:00,594
or more comfortable.

1162
00:42:01,152 --> 00:42:03,223
Sometimes just not even about superiority. I think

1163
00:42:03,223 --> 00:42:05,349
it's definitely about comfort levels and

1164
00:42:05,787 --> 00:42:08,493
But I think we are moving towards generations,

1165
00:42:09,209 --> 00:42:11,755
the the people being born now, for example,

1166
00:42:12,153 --> 00:42:14,063
it probably won't this won't even be an

1167
00:42:14,063 --> 00:42:15,434
issue. They won't even...

1168
00:42:16,074 --> 00:42:17,994
They won't think there'll be something else to

1169
00:42:17,994 --> 00:42:19,135
hate. Something

1170
00:42:19,914 --> 00:42:21,835
Aliens, but then we'll have landed. They're like,

1171
00:42:21,914 --> 00:42:23,035
god, hate those aliens.

1172
00:42:25,284 --> 00:42:25,761
L.

1173
00:42:29,182 --> 00:42:29,898
For the aliens.

1174
00:42:34,054 --> 00:42:34,375
Wow.

1175
00:42:34,934 --> 00:42:36,694
So... Okay. So you've come out to your

1176
00:42:36,694 --> 00:42:37,194
parents

1177
00:42:37,734 --> 00:42:38,234
and

1178
00:42:39,014 --> 00:42:40,474
you you're down to go

1179
00:42:41,188 --> 00:42:42,936
more difficult than your... Why do you think

1180
00:42:42,936 --> 00:42:45,639
that is? Just the whole father son thing

1181
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:47,570
to That bothers son

1182
00:42:48,183 --> 00:42:48,683
relationship

1183
00:42:49,470 --> 00:42:51,138
can you speak up a little? Sorry. Yeah.

1184
00:42:51,456 --> 00:42:53,601
Sorry. What? Oh, Yeah yeah. I think it

1185
00:42:53,601 --> 00:42:55,507
is that bothers son relationship and you. He

1186
00:42:55,507 --> 00:42:57,430
has friends who are trans, So it's not

1187
00:42:57,430 --> 00:43:00,292
like he doesn't think being trans. Okay. I

1188
00:43:00,292 --> 00:43:02,041
think it took a while for to accept

1189
00:43:02,041 --> 00:43:04,203
that his own child was trans. Sure.

1190
00:43:04,998 --> 00:43:07,010
Because he didn't want that for me

1191
00:43:07,386 --> 00:43:08,818
for my own sake, you know, and but

1192
00:43:08,978 --> 00:43:10,171
I don't even want it for me at

1193
00:43:10,171 --> 00:43:12,002
this point in time. They I'm hoping at

1194
00:43:12,002 --> 00:43:13,116
some point and I feel like proud.

1195
00:43:13,766 --> 00:43:15,274
Happy for who I am, but at this

1196
00:43:15,274 --> 00:43:17,733
point in time, I I would still... If

1197
00:43:17,733 --> 00:43:19,637
you could make me sis with a press

1198
00:43:19,637 --> 00:43:20,112
of button.

1199
00:43:20,764 --> 00:43:23,416
I would do it hands now. Meaning born

1200
00:43:23,713 --> 00:43:25,786
born that way? Yeah. Yeah. Well,

1201
00:43:26,584 --> 00:43:28,896
born... Born in the gender you identify as.

1202
00:43:29,948 --> 00:43:30,347
I want.

1203
00:43:32,023 --> 00:43:35,215
But so he he was, like, imagining how

1204
00:43:35,215 --> 00:43:36,971
hard my life was going to be, and,

1205
00:43:37,131 --> 00:43:37,450
you know,

1206
00:43:38,263 --> 00:43:40,577
and he saw his own relationship with me

1207
00:43:40,577 --> 00:43:40,737
changed,

1208
00:43:42,014 --> 00:43:42,253
which...

1209
00:43:43,451 --> 00:43:45,126
So was just a few roadblocks for him,

1210
00:43:45,286 --> 00:43:45,786
but

1211
00:43:46,098 --> 00:43:48,646
Nothing nothing he couldn't handle him. Do you

1212
00:43:48,646 --> 00:43:50,318
see your relationship with him has changed?

1213
00:43:50,954 --> 00:43:53,263
No. I mean, I always really focused this

1214
00:43:53,263 --> 00:43:55,267
way, but I have just necessary to define

1215
00:43:55,267 --> 00:43:57,255
it, but, I've always felt this way, and

1216
00:43:57,335 --> 00:43:57,494
I...

1217
00:43:59,243 --> 00:44:00,675
Now that he knows it doesn't change the

1218
00:44:00,675 --> 00:44:01,572
fact that I

1219
00:44:02,918 --> 00:44:03,717
new. And

1220
00:44:05,313 --> 00:44:06,771
I still view him

1221
00:44:07,309 --> 00:44:08,427
the same, and

1222
00:44:09,784 --> 00:44:11,620
you know, there's, like, little changes, you know,

1223
00:44:12,194 --> 00:44:13,311
don't wanna I wanted him to call and

1224
00:44:13,471 --> 00:44:14,269
Katie, but

1225
00:44:15,226 --> 00:44:16,125
I still

1226
00:44:17,301 --> 00:44:18,258
want to be, you know,

1227
00:44:19,949 --> 00:44:22,182
I don't I don't feel any different about

1228
00:44:22,182 --> 00:44:25,053
the way our relationship is And so once

1229
00:44:25,053 --> 00:44:27,047
he sort of cameo terms who I really

1230
00:44:27,047 --> 00:44:27,207
am.

1231
00:44:28,164 --> 00:44:29,360
I think now he's, you know,

1232
00:44:30,015 --> 00:44:31,454
not he doesn't didn't have that issue anymore.

1233
00:44:32,574 --> 00:44:34,894
So you will identify it as his daughter,

1234
00:44:35,135 --> 00:44:37,135
not his son anymore. Correct?

1235
00:44:39,307 --> 00:44:41,141
I had this conversation the other day with

1236
00:44:41,141 --> 00:44:42,258
somebody and

1237
00:44:43,853 --> 00:44:45,949
in, you know, anticipation of this

1238
00:44:46,565 --> 00:44:48,182
conversation with you, Katie, and

1239
00:44:50,335 --> 00:44:52,255
I spoke about the relation between you and

1240
00:44:52,255 --> 00:44:54,175
your father, and I said, dino know, it's

1241
00:44:54,175 --> 00:44:56,815
interesting because... And you and your grandfather, you

1242
00:44:56,815 --> 00:44:58,825
know, 2 males in your family,

1243
00:44:59,460 --> 00:44:59,960
and

1244
00:45:01,684 --> 00:45:04,463
how they... And again, this is this is

1245
00:45:04,463 --> 00:45:05,995
me just sort of

1246
00:45:06,783 --> 00:45:08,857
assuming how I must feel because I don't

1247
00:45:08,857 --> 00:45:10,851
know I'm not dumb. But the idea of,

1248
00:45:11,010 --> 00:45:13,722
like, they're looking at you, you're saying, hey,

1249
00:45:13,882 --> 00:45:16,035
I was actually... I'm... I'm the same person.

1250
00:45:16,369 --> 00:45:18,120
Because you are. You're the exact same person,

1251
00:45:18,678 --> 00:45:21,703
but you're just... Your... The meat stick you're

1252
00:45:21,703 --> 00:45:23,614
in is gonna change a into a different

1253
00:45:23,614 --> 00:45:26,968
meat stick. Right? And but in general, your

1254
00:45:26,968 --> 00:45:28,796
soul is the same. Your mind's the same.

1255
00:45:29,431 --> 00:45:32,951
Everything that makes you you. Everything that

1256
00:45:33,659 --> 00:45:36,296
you're... And again, anyway, I think about... I'm

1257
00:45:36,296 --> 00:45:37,655
gonna segue away a little bit. But either

1258
00:45:37,735 --> 00:45:39,973
I think about, like, the religious, the hyper

1259
00:45:39,973 --> 00:45:42,130
religious who are very much against trans.

1260
00:45:42,690 --> 00:45:44,782
Yeah speaking for that particular. I don't think

1261
00:45:44,782 --> 00:45:46,380
all religious people are like that, but I'm

1262
00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:47,419
speaking to the people who are.

1263
00:45:48,937 --> 00:45:51,905
That they're like, oh, well, That's an abomination.

1264
00:45:52,145 --> 00:45:53,341
Ended it up. But if you believe in

1265
00:45:53,341 --> 00:45:55,813
a soul, you're the same soul. You're just

1266
00:45:55,813 --> 00:45:58,605
in a different gooey stick, you know, blood

1267
00:45:58,605 --> 00:45:59,881
and corpus or whatever.

1268
00:46:00,614 --> 00:46:01,114
So,

1269
00:46:03,246 --> 00:46:05,081
like, you and I are talking, and I'm

1270
00:46:05,081 --> 00:46:05,400
thinking,

1271
00:46:06,357 --> 00:46:08,271
Katie or the name you were born with,

1272
00:46:08,431 --> 00:46:09,887
you know, you're the exact

1273
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:12,748
same person as far as your heart and

1274
00:46:12,748 --> 00:46:13,863
your mind and your soul.

1275
00:46:15,217 --> 00:46:16,831
Why do you think it is that people

1276
00:46:16,968 --> 00:46:18,083
wanna all of a sudden be like, oh,

1277
00:46:18,242 --> 00:46:18,822
what's your

1278
00:46:19,133 --> 00:46:21,523
You're you're not because you're gonna become this

1279
00:46:21,523 --> 00:46:23,753
other, but you're not really becoming this other

1280
00:46:23,753 --> 00:46:25,983
person You always have been that person. You

1281
00:46:25,983 --> 00:46:27,576
were just stuck in the wrong meat stick.

1282
00:46:28,070 --> 00:46:29,590
I keep using needs stick because it seems

1283
00:46:29,590 --> 00:46:31,429
like the funny a funny way to put

1284
00:46:31,429 --> 00:46:32,630
it but that's all it is. Right?

1285
00:46:35,283 --> 00:46:36,639
Did that make any sense? I don't even

1286
00:46:36,639 --> 00:46:37,595
know if there was a question in there.

1287
00:46:37,755 --> 00:46:39,030
I was more like a ramble, but...

1288
00:46:40,864 --> 00:46:42,139
Let's seems like you're asking, like, why are

1289
00:46:42,139 --> 00:46:43,016
people why are people?

1290
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:45,690
So find it's so hard to

1291
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:48,070
accept trans as trans people.

1292
00:46:50,070 --> 00:46:51,109
I think it's a lot of things.

1293
00:46:52,482 --> 00:46:54,556
1 thing probably is a lack of empathy,

1294
00:46:54,796 --> 00:46:56,014
you know, or

1295
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:58,567
they imagine they are since

1296
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:01,606
so they can't they just can't imagine

1297
00:47:02,059 --> 00:47:03,433
what it would be like to,

1298
00:47:04,284 --> 00:47:04,602
you know,

1299
00:47:05,397 --> 00:47:07,543
feel anything, but the way they feel.

1300
00:47:08,114 --> 00:47:09,789
And so when they see someone who looks

1301
00:47:09,789 --> 00:47:10,528
like them

1302
00:47:11,863 --> 00:47:13,378
acting in a way that they don't act.

1303
00:47:13,618 --> 00:47:14,437
They think

1304
00:47:14,894 --> 00:47:17,526
like, that's not normal. I, I can't... I

1305
00:47:17,526 --> 00:47:19,935
can't imagine myself doing that. So why do

1306
00:47:19,935 --> 00:47:22,090
you do that? That's weird are you're strange.

1307
00:47:22,729 --> 00:47:24,506
And what they should think is

1308
00:47:24,884 --> 00:47:27,094
if they... They're projecting, you know, their own

1309
00:47:27,294 --> 00:47:29,684
their own gender identity onto the gender identity

1310
00:47:29,684 --> 00:47:32,473
needed the person who's doing that. If they

1311
00:47:32,473 --> 00:47:34,226
were to really think about it it,

1312
00:47:35,198 --> 00:47:37,673
and still project that identity on them and

1313
00:47:37,673 --> 00:47:38,072
think, oh,

1314
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:41,186
if this person has the same identity I

1315
00:47:41,186 --> 00:47:43,182
do, and I would never do that.

1316
00:47:44,552 --> 00:47:46,855
Then they they shouldn't do that instead of

1317
00:47:46,855 --> 00:47:48,046
doing that, they should say, oh,

1318
00:47:48,681 --> 00:47:50,826
they must have a different identity because If

1319
00:47:50,984 --> 00:47:52,747
I wouldn't do that, the they and the

1320
00:47:52,747 --> 00:47:54,260
fact that they are doing that is a

1321
00:47:54,260 --> 00:47:56,330
is a given, and there's no way they

1322
00:47:56,330 --> 00:47:58,480
feel the same way I feel. I should,

1323
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:00,525
you know, come to realize that they must

1324
00:48:00,724 --> 00:48:02,399
have looked at this differently than I do...

1325
00:48:04,074 --> 00:48:05,909
And so that's like, you know, I think

1326
00:48:05,909 --> 00:48:07,719
something that people should try to realize

1327
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:09,519
if they're gonna project they should just go

1328
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:11,699
a step further and realize why projecting

1329
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:13,359
isn't correct.

1330
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,320
Well, we can all... None of us can

1331
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,412
can see anything except through our own paradigm.

1332
00:48:18,652 --> 00:48:20,168
And then in our own experience and our

1333
00:48:20,168 --> 00:48:20,668
own

1334
00:48:21,045 --> 00:48:23,200
sense itself. And that goes without saying that's

1335
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,170
just part of being a human being. But

1336
00:48:25,527 --> 00:48:26,959
I think more what I was speaking to

1337
00:48:26,959 --> 00:48:27,459
is

1338
00:48:27,992 --> 00:48:29,901
you... At least is how I see it.

1339
00:48:30,060 --> 00:48:31,412
And maybe that's the wrong way to see

1340
00:48:31,412 --> 00:48:32,866
it. I don't know is that

1341
00:48:33,479 --> 00:48:34,775
who you were born

1342
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:37,066
who you were born as this is the

1343
00:48:37,066 --> 00:48:38,730
exact same person that's who you are now.

1344
00:48:38,967 --> 00:48:41,186
The only difference is it's if as if

1345
00:48:41,186 --> 00:48:41,923
you unzip

1346
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:44,141
this suit and he went put on a

1347
00:48:44,141 --> 00:48:45,097
different suit. Does that...

1348
00:48:45,973 --> 00:48:47,646
If you were born without skin,

1349
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:49,239
Right?

1350
00:48:49,876 --> 00:48:50,933
That being

1351
00:48:51,404 --> 00:48:53,080
is the exact same being. You're just gonna

1352
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,076
put on a different skin suit, and now

1353
00:48:55,076 --> 00:48:57,630
you're gonna... Because you've always been that person

1354
00:48:57,630 --> 00:48:59,486
you've been hiding and pretending

1355
00:49:00,751 --> 00:49:02,813
I don't know. Maybe I'm confusing myself, but

1356
00:49:02,813 --> 00:49:04,797
it makes sense in my very bizarre brain.

1357
00:49:08,779 --> 00:49:09,438
I don't

1358
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:11,978
I think

1359
00:49:12,431 --> 00:49:14,360
in time come that

1360
00:49:14,733 --> 00:49:16,897
to think the way. Think in time people

1361
00:49:16,897 --> 00:49:17,855
will come to realize that

1362
00:49:18,494 --> 00:49:19,692
and think of it that way, but

1363
00:49:21,767 --> 00:49:22,006
yeah.

1364
00:49:22,964 --> 00:49:25,119
Yeah. Once sort of goes through it differently.

1365
00:49:25,374 --> 00:49:27,052
How long does it take to transition?

1366
00:49:28,811 --> 00:49:29,370
All my life?

1367
00:49:30,089 --> 00:49:30,409
I,

1368
00:49:31,128 --> 00:49:32,966
you know, I... Right now, I, you know,

1369
00:49:33,126 --> 00:49:35,851
I take a pill every day. To stop

1370
00:49:35,851 --> 00:49:36,351
the

1371
00:49:36,803 --> 00:49:38,415
on of testosterone,

1372
00:49:39,820 --> 00:49:41,035
and then I

1373
00:49:41,646 --> 00:49:43,496
take... Have a shot every week

1374
00:49:44,044 --> 00:49:46,277
to add esp to my bloodstream.

1375
00:49:47,553 --> 00:49:48,670
And I'll be doing that for the rest

1376
00:49:48,670 --> 00:49:49,069
of my life.

1377
00:49:49,867 --> 00:49:51,701
Oh, it's... Okay. It's all your life. You

1378
00:49:51,701 --> 00:49:52,658
have to... Okay.

1379
00:49:54,029 --> 00:49:54,349
The

1380
00:49:55,707 --> 00:49:57,006
if I decide to

1381
00:49:58,183 --> 00:50:00,361
get 6 reassign surgery

1382
00:50:02,189 --> 00:50:03,304
then at that point,

1383
00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:06,171
I can do that. I I... The soon

1384
00:50:06,171 --> 00:50:07,150
deal able to do that

1385
00:50:07,685 --> 00:50:09,778
is a year from now or

1386
00:50:10,726 --> 00:50:11,839
depending on the weight list it could be

1387
00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:12,158
2 years.

1388
00:50:13,987 --> 00:50:15,021
Why is it so long?

1389
00:50:16,215 --> 00:50:18,044
Well, you gotta go, the doctor who's good

1390
00:50:18,044 --> 00:50:18,283
at it.

1391
00:50:19,014 --> 00:50:21,030
Which they're very good, and

1392
00:50:21,727 --> 00:50:22,605
there's the high demand.

1393
00:50:23,722 --> 00:50:24,120
Really?

1394
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:24,918
Yeah.

1395
00:50:26,844 --> 00:50:28,112
So the wait list...

1396
00:50:28,984 --> 00:50:30,965
If I were to sign up today for

1397
00:50:30,965 --> 00:50:33,366
it, I would probably not get in

1398
00:50:33,674 --> 00:50:34,469
for a year or 2.

1399
00:50:35,742 --> 00:50:39,185
But also, you know, my insurance does cover.

1400
00:50:40,849 --> 00:50:43,083
That's amazing. Yeah. That's something that a lot

1401
00:50:43,083 --> 00:50:45,637
of trans people don't have. So III

1402
00:50:45,637 --> 00:50:48,270
acknowledge that, and I I am appreciative over

1403
00:50:48,270 --> 00:50:50,590
that. How is it that that there's just...

1404
00:50:51,782 --> 00:50:53,530
That is that in every policy or just

1405
00:50:53,530 --> 00:50:55,914
some? Or because you live in a really

1406
00:50:55,914 --> 00:50:56,708
progressive state.

1407
00:50:57,359 --> 00:50:58,791
Yeah. I think yeah

1408
00:50:59,427 --> 00:50:59,927
the

1409
00:51:00,541 --> 00:51:02,450
company that my dad has or whatever.

1410
00:51:04,453 --> 00:51:05,880
Don't know. I'm not exactly sure why it

1411
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,626
is, but it is what it is. Awesome.

1412
00:51:08,101 --> 00:51:08,260
So...

1413
00:51:09,212 --> 00:51:11,433
But their stipulation are. I need I need

1414
00:51:11,433 --> 00:51:12,440
a letter from a

1415
00:51:13,353 --> 00:51:15,579
gender psychologist or psychiatrist rather.

1416
00:51:16,692 --> 00:51:17,328
I need a,

1417
00:51:19,235 --> 00:51:20,984
to live full time as a woman for

1418
00:51:20,984 --> 00:51:21,381
a year.

1419
00:51:23,460 --> 00:51:23,960
And

1420
00:51:26,397 --> 00:51:28,540
after Goes to... The 2 stipulation, I have

1421
00:51:28,540 --> 00:51:30,539
to have a letter tell him saying that

1422
00:51:30,539 --> 00:51:32,387
this is what I need, and

1423
00:51:32,839 --> 00:51:34,902
I have to had experience being woman for

1424
00:51:34,902 --> 00:51:37,203
a full year. Have you started therapy for

1425
00:51:37,203 --> 00:51:37,441
that?

1426
00:51:38,012 --> 00:51:39,444
Yeah. I start. That was the first thing

1427
00:51:39,524 --> 00:51:40,637
I did when I got by comfort for

1428
00:51:40,637 --> 00:51:41,592
sorry. How's that going?

1429
00:51:44,869 --> 00:51:47,020
Fine. I don't know. I'm a big believer

1430
00:51:47,020 --> 00:51:49,330
in therapy. I love some therapy.

1431
00:51:50,525 --> 00:51:52,300
I haven't felt like, any a huge breakthroughs

1432
00:51:52,676 --> 00:51:53,791
yet. I'm not really sure.

1433
00:51:54,603 --> 00:51:55,240
But I also...

1434
00:51:55,956 --> 00:51:56,990
I don't really know when to compare it

1435
00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:59,059
to. So... What are they looking for just

1436
00:51:59,059 --> 00:52:01,606
to have you not say, maybe I wanna

1437
00:52:01,606 --> 00:52:03,198
stay a boy. They want make sure that

1438
00:52:03,198 --> 00:52:04,728
you know exactly what it is you want.

1439
00:52:04,968 --> 00:52:07,125
I suppose... Yeah. I... Yeah. I guess... Yeah.

1440
00:52:07,365 --> 00:52:09,043
They're just... You know, they want an expert

1441
00:52:09,043 --> 00:52:10,641
in the field to be like, yeah, That's

1442
00:52:10,641 --> 00:52:11,120
the best call.

1443
00:52:12,813 --> 00:52:13,053
But...

1444
00:52:14,731 --> 00:52:16,170
Man and they they I think at the

1445
00:52:16,170 --> 00:52:18,007
end end of the day, they just care

1446
00:52:18,007 --> 00:52:18,806
about the liability.

1447
00:52:19,286 --> 00:52:20,165
They don't wanna be sued.

1448
00:52:20,895 --> 00:52:22,719
If I were to down the line and

1449
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,148
be like, oh, why did I do this?

1450
00:52:24,306 --> 00:52:25,655
Why'd you let me do this? I'm gonna

1451
00:52:25,655 --> 00:52:27,162
sue you? They want to be able sure

1452
00:52:27,162 --> 00:52:29,644
this what you want. Yeah. America's very lit.

1453
00:52:29,804 --> 00:52:32,034
That makes sense. Do you know yet what

1454
00:52:32,034 --> 00:52:33,706
you want? And that's a very personal question.

1455
00:52:33,865 --> 00:52:35,219
You don't have to answer. But just do

1456
00:52:35,219 --> 00:52:36,747
you in your own Do you know in

1457
00:52:36,747 --> 00:52:38,420
your mind what you want right now? It

1458
00:52:38,420 --> 00:52:40,412
may change. I don't know. I have an

1459
00:52:40,412 --> 00:52:40,651
idea,

1460
00:52:41,607 --> 00:52:42,824
but I can't really

1461
00:52:43,774 --> 00:52:46,725
you know, so far away. Yeah. Right. So

1462
00:52:46,725 --> 00:52:48,719
can you get on the winning list before

1463
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,793
you you go and live life as a

1464
00:52:50,793 --> 00:52:52,707
woman and and do that? Or do you

1465
00:52:52,707 --> 00:52:54,960
that you do have to actually lived the

1466
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,719
life with the letter and all that stuff

1467
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,079
and then get on the list, Or do

1468
00:52:58,079 --> 00:52:58,400
you know?

1469
00:53:01,531 --> 00:53:02,882
I don't know at what point in the

1470
00:53:02,882 --> 00:53:05,288
process I do the whole payment thing. So

1471
00:53:05,423 --> 00:53:08,044
basically, a year before I pay, I will

1472
00:53:08,044 --> 00:53:09,889
need to have lived as a woman Oh,

1473
00:53:10,128 --> 00:53:12,203
is it an expensive surgery? I imagine it

1474
00:53:12,203 --> 00:53:14,777
must be? It's like 26000 dollars

1475
00:53:15,873 --> 00:53:17,230
for autumn century.

1476
00:53:17,882 --> 00:53:20,427
For a female. Does it? How you Is

1477
00:53:20,427 --> 00:53:22,097
it in America? Or is it often Sweden

1478
00:53:22,097 --> 00:53:24,483
or something? Norway america? I can get it.

1479
00:53:24,721 --> 00:53:26,311
You can go to, like, Thailand get it

1480
00:53:26,311 --> 00:53:27,107
for 5000 dollars.

1481
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:29,996
And some people do that. I would ever

1482
00:53:29,996 --> 00:53:31,056
do that. That's

1483
00:53:31,754 --> 00:53:32,553
seems risky to me.

1484
00:53:33,751 --> 00:53:35,244
But, yeah, it is in America. There's a

1485
00:53:35,684 --> 00:53:37,121
the office that I would go to if

1486
00:53:37,201 --> 00:53:38,877
I decide to do it is in Los

1487
00:53:38,956 --> 00:53:40,313
Angeles for this lake wanted in,

1488
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:42,868
I think Philadelphia,

1489
00:53:43,586 --> 00:53:45,356
maybe it's concerned. Somewhere in Pennsylvania.

1490
00:53:46,393 --> 00:53:47,132
And then,

1491
00:53:48,068 --> 00:53:49,663
you know, there's a there's a few scattered

1492
00:53:49,663 --> 00:53:49,822
around.

1493
00:53:51,816 --> 00:53:53,864
Johns Hopkins used to have

1494
00:53:54,222 --> 00:53:55,733
back in the seventies, they used to have

1495
00:53:55,733 --> 00:53:56,392
a gender

1496
00:53:57,561 --> 00:53:58,595
or sex or assignment,

1497
00:53:59,549 --> 00:54:00,583
surgery clinic,

1498
00:54:01,458 --> 00:54:03,468
they that they would provide for trans people

1499
00:54:04,578 --> 00:54:05,078
but

1500
00:54:05,856 --> 00:54:06,356
the

1501
00:54:07,933 --> 00:54:09,951
that they came under attack in the seventies

1502
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:10,510
for

1503
00:54:11,541 --> 00:54:14,112
providing this and they shut it down. So

1504
00:54:14,489 --> 00:54:15,546
that's sort of a

1505
00:54:16,401 --> 00:54:17,755
kinda heartbreaking breaking thing that happened,

1506
00:54:18,791 --> 00:54:19,109
you know,

1507
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,239
a a while ago, but

1508
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:24,880
Are you scared about all this?

1509
00:54:28,094 --> 00:54:29,773
Like, about transitioning. Mh.

1510
00:54:34,088 --> 00:54:34,967
Yeah. I mean,

1511
00:54:37,697 --> 00:54:38,572
I go back and forth.

1512
00:54:40,163 --> 00:54:41,912
Some days, I'm like, yeah. Let's do this,

1513
00:54:42,071 --> 00:54:42,389
you know,

1514
00:54:44,059 --> 00:54:46,524
other days I'm, like, I'm not sure if

1515
00:54:46,524 --> 00:54:47,183
this is

1516
00:54:47,574 --> 00:54:48,694
if I'm going to...

1517
00:54:50,934 --> 00:54:52,534
The the option... I never have the option

1518
00:54:52,534 --> 00:54:53,974
that I'm they go back to what I

1519
00:54:53,974 --> 00:54:54,135
was,

1520
00:54:55,734 --> 00:54:56,534
that's not an option.

1521
00:54:57,429 --> 00:54:59,507
So some days, I'm, like, yeah. I'm excited.

1522
00:54:59,746 --> 00:55:01,345
Sometimes days I'm like, boom, I'm less excited,

1523
00:55:01,425 --> 00:55:02,463
but this is what I have to do.

1524
00:55:03,103 --> 00:55:04,940
And other days, I'm like, I don't wanna

1525
00:55:04,940 --> 00:55:07,131
do anything at all. I just want T

1526
00:55:08,065 --> 00:55:08,384
be done.

1527
00:55:11,333 --> 00:55:11,833
But

1528
00:55:12,608 --> 00:55:13,085
recently,

1529
00:55:13,498 --> 00:55:14,452
the last week or so,

1530
00:55:15,167 --> 00:55:16,223
it's been all positivity,

1531
00:55:16,676 --> 00:55:17,867
and I attribute you back to the fact

1532
00:55:17,867 --> 00:55:19,297
that I'm actually making progress.

1533
00:55:20,092 --> 00:55:22,237
Getting the shots and stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

1534
00:55:24,483 --> 00:55:25,702
And I went to the

1535
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,539
pride parade

1536
00:55:27,918 --> 00:55:28,658
on a

1537
00:55:29,196 --> 00:55:32,157
last weekend yes part an empowering. Type thing.

1538
00:55:32,474 --> 00:55:32,792
Yeah.

1539
00:55:34,302 --> 00:55:34,460
Yeah.

1540
00:55:35,970 --> 00:55:37,185
So when you were

1541
00:55:37,654 --> 00:55:39,748
struggling with trying to figure out your identity

1542
00:55:39,885 --> 00:55:41,718
when as you were growing up, and we

1543
00:55:41,718 --> 00:55:43,392
talked that you had some real dark times.

1544
00:55:44,189 --> 00:55:44,826
And again,

1545
00:55:45,478 --> 00:55:45,978
transgender

1546
00:55:46,510 --> 00:55:47,781
suicide rates are through the roof.

1547
00:55:48,416 --> 00:55:50,084
Yeah. It's hard enough to be a human

1548
00:55:50,084 --> 00:55:51,989
being on this planet, but then you there

1549
00:55:51,989 --> 00:55:54,316
are some interesting things on the mix and

1550
00:55:55,023 --> 00:55:57,336
Yikes. So would do you mind speaking to

1551
00:55:57,336 --> 00:55:59,249
some of that just for anyone who might

1552
00:55:59,249 --> 00:56:00,525
be out listening to...

1553
00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:02,439
Yeah.

1554
00:56:06,438 --> 00:56:06,836
I

1555
00:56:08,510 --> 00:56:09,886
had a lot of days when

1556
00:56:10,581 --> 00:56:11,696
at nights when I.

1557
00:56:13,623 --> 00:56:15,476
Wasn't really sure if I wanted to

1558
00:56:15,851 --> 00:56:17,681
be alive the next day. You know,

1559
00:56:18,476 --> 00:56:19,692
this idea that

1560
00:56:20,879 --> 00:56:23,514
even when I finish transitioning, I'll still not

1561
00:56:23,514 --> 00:56:24,572
be the perfect

1562
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:26,628
person that I wanna be,

1563
00:56:28,065 --> 00:56:29,123
because I will have,

1564
00:56:29,661 --> 00:56:30,060
you know,

1565
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:32,170
I

1566
00:56:32,945 --> 00:56:34,937
never wanted to be trans. And I still

1567
00:56:34,937 --> 00:56:36,371
don't really want to be trans. I just...

1568
00:56:36,451 --> 00:56:37,907
Want I want to have been

1569
00:56:38,380 --> 00:56:39,420
female from the start.

1570
00:56:40,140 --> 00:56:41,820
And so I'm I've always been worried that,

1571
00:56:41,980 --> 00:56:42,539
like, it's...

1572
00:56:43,820 --> 00:56:45,340
I've always scared of this idea that it

1573
00:56:45,340 --> 00:56:46,400
won't be enough

1574
00:56:47,351 --> 00:56:48,145
once say transition.

1575
00:56:49,812 --> 00:56:50,050
But...

1576
00:56:52,989 --> 00:56:54,735
And I've also said still in the middle

1577
00:56:54,735 --> 00:56:55,768
of the process, you know,

1578
00:56:56,418 --> 00:56:56,657
I...

1579
00:56:58,722 --> 00:57:00,469
It's not... I haven't been through it. You

1580
00:57:00,469 --> 00:57:02,376
know, I... Haven't, like, I'm not looking back

1581
00:57:02,376 --> 00:57:03,806
on it. Right now. I'm in. I'm looking

1582
00:57:03,806 --> 00:57:04,282
around at it.

1583
00:57:05,092 --> 00:57:06,364
So I would just tell

1584
00:57:07,794 --> 00:57:08,827
anyone who also has...

1585
00:57:10,257 --> 00:57:12,266
Who's also struggling with this who also

1586
00:57:14,407 --> 00:57:15,307
doesn't know

1587
00:57:16,004 --> 00:57:16,504
if

1588
00:57:17,042 --> 00:57:18,559
tomorrow was gonna be either last day on

1589
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:20,155
earth or anything like that.

1590
00:57:23,925 --> 00:57:24,244
To...

1591
00:57:25,364 --> 00:57:26,425
I would tell them

1592
00:57:29,445 --> 00:57:30,885
tomorrow won't be my last day on there.

1593
00:57:32,177 --> 00:57:35,536
I am going to fight through this, and

1594
00:57:36,704 --> 00:57:37,896
I really hope that

1595
00:57:38,928 --> 00:57:40,199
you will do so as well.

1596
00:57:41,723 --> 00:57:43,308
Not just for your sake, but for all

1597
00:57:43,308 --> 00:57:43,784
our sakes.

1598
00:57:46,717 --> 00:57:47,217
And

1599
00:57:48,461 --> 00:57:49,987
I've been told to get better. So let's

1600
00:57:49,987 --> 00:57:52,061
figure let's find that out together. So...

1601
00:57:54,932 --> 00:57:56,230
Yeah. And

1602
00:57:57,565 --> 00:57:58,840
even if you don't see it, you know,

1603
00:58:00,766 --> 00:58:03,072
you are a beautiful person, just the fact

1604
00:58:03,072 --> 00:58:04,505
that you exist and

1605
00:58:05,141 --> 00:58:05,936
Pay amen to that.

1606
00:58:06,508 --> 00:58:06,747
Yeah.

1607
00:58:08,498 --> 00:58:08,998
So

1608
00:58:11,842 --> 00:58:12,479
it's worth it.

1609
00:58:15,122 --> 00:58:15,839
It'll be worth it.

1610
00:58:18,070 --> 00:58:19,346
I hope you believe that too.

1611
00:58:21,099 --> 00:58:21,737
It helps to say,

1612
00:58:23,182 --> 00:58:23,421
Yeah.

1613
00:58:24,295 --> 00:58:24,612
Yeah.

1614
00:58:25,327 --> 00:58:25,724
Imagine.

1615
00:58:26,597 --> 00:58:28,185
Is there anything else you'd like to talk

1616
00:58:28,185 --> 00:58:28,423
about?

1617
00:58:30,012 --> 00:58:31,655
I mean I could talk on hours, but

1618
00:58:32,494 --> 00:58:34,012
We can. Is there anything that we didn't

1619
00:58:34,012 --> 00:58:35,770
cover that... I mean, I know we're gonna

1620
00:58:35,770 --> 00:58:38,327
talk again and that'll be great when, you

1621
00:58:38,327 --> 00:58:40,345
know, further down the line as you

1622
00:58:40,896 --> 00:58:42,726
get further through your treatments and things.

1623
00:58:45,192 --> 00:58:47,021
But I I mean, it's anything that you

1624
00:58:47,021 --> 00:58:49,819
wanna to pinpoint or discuss that we haven't

1625
00:58:49,819 --> 00:58:50,137
covered.

1626
00:58:51,409 --> 00:58:51,648
I think,

1627
00:58:52,681 --> 00:58:54,112
I would like to speak really quickly to

1628
00:58:54,112 --> 00:58:54,271
the

1629
00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:57,480
a week ago at the San francisco pride

1630
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:57,719
parade,

1631
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,760
I think of trans, Americans burn the American

1632
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:01,000
flag.

1633
00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:02,440
It's like a protest.

1634
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,175
Yeah. And it's all all over facebook right

1635
00:59:05,175 --> 00:59:07,175
now. A lot of people are, like, how

1636
00:59:07,175 --> 00:59:09,255
are you're expecting, you know, trans people to,

1637
00:59:09,974 --> 00:59:11,828
or or how are you're expecting people care

1638
00:59:11,828 --> 00:59:13,583
about your issues if you're gonna disrespect to

1639
00:59:13,583 --> 00:59:14,221
flag like that.

1640
00:59:15,497 --> 00:59:16,933
Alright. You can't give you to listen when

1641
00:59:16,933 --> 00:59:17,571
you act like this.

1642
00:59:18,847 --> 00:59:20,363
And I just wanna quickly say, like,

1643
00:59:21,813 --> 00:59:23,567
it's not, like, and a a lot of

1644
00:59:23,567 --> 00:59:25,958
people are, like, expecting trans people to have,

1645
00:59:26,038 --> 00:59:28,110
like, an opinion about this or they're like,

1646
00:59:28,349 --> 00:59:29,726
how do you feel about this or

1647
00:59:30,037 --> 00:59:31,228
you're gonna say something about this,

1648
00:59:32,260 --> 00:59:32,657
is not...

1649
00:59:34,165 --> 00:59:35,356
And I just wanna say is it's that

1650
00:59:35,356 --> 00:59:38,237
you're not trans people's responsibility to

1651
00:59:39,505 --> 00:59:40,005
denounce

1652
00:59:40,385 --> 00:59:42,304
other trans people's actions, you know, we are

1653
00:59:42,304 --> 00:59:43,684
not a c cohesive suit

1654
00:59:44,545 --> 00:59:46,485
group and what 1 person does does not

1655
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:50,146
is no reflection on whatever Else does. However,

1656
00:59:51,738 --> 00:59:53,433
if you are someone who

1657
00:59:53,968 --> 00:59:55,742
has not spoken about

1658
00:59:56,292 --> 00:59:56,792
the

1659
00:59:57,246 --> 00:59:59,391
fact that, you know, 20 16 is the

1660
00:59:59,391 --> 01:00:01,060
most dangerous year to be trans ever,

1661
01:00:02,252 --> 01:00:04,416
or the fact that you've you've never once

1662
01:00:04,416 --> 01:00:05,953
made a Facebook post about

1663
01:00:07,048 --> 01:00:07,367
you know,

1664
01:00:08,324 --> 01:00:11,355
how trans teams are have the highest that

1665
01:00:11,355 --> 01:00:13,764
rates to the fact that or you never

1666
01:00:13,764 --> 01:00:15,601
called out these atrocious bathroom laws,

1667
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,036
and now you're sharing a thing about trans

1668
01:00:19,036 --> 01:00:19,536
people

1669
01:00:20,489 --> 01:00:21,925
burning a flag and you say, how are

1670
01:00:21,925 --> 01:00:24,080
you expecting people to listen to you when

1671
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,735
you do something like this, you weren't listening

1672
01:00:26,873 --> 01:00:28,411
anyway. You know, the... And

1673
01:00:28,885 --> 01:00:30,724
at least now you're talking about it.

1674
01:00:31,684 --> 01:00:32,585
And it's

1675
01:00:33,444 --> 01:00:33,944
very

1676
01:00:34,565 --> 01:00:35,784
sad to me that you

1677
01:00:37,777 --> 01:00:39,929
only that you care now that there's a

1678
01:00:39,929 --> 01:00:41,682
flag being burned, but you didn't care when

1679
01:00:41,682 --> 01:00:44,552
their human lives being lost. Sure. So... Yeah.

1680
01:00:45,364 --> 01:00:46,557
I just want you to, like, take a

1681
01:00:46,557 --> 01:00:48,704
look in the mirror and say, Yeah. I

1682
01:00:48,704 --> 01:00:49,898
do I only care now,

1683
01:00:51,011 --> 01:00:51,511
and

1684
01:00:52,379 --> 01:00:55,109
maybe I can start carrying the future. So

1685
01:00:55,327 --> 01:00:57,398
that's just. It is interesting how people wanna

1686
01:00:57,398 --> 01:01:00,027
love for terrorism is a great example. You

1687
01:01:00,027 --> 01:01:02,351
know, I have many deer muslim some friends

1688
01:01:02,351 --> 01:01:04,658
who have never killed anyone and don't intend

1689
01:01:04,658 --> 01:01:07,998
to. And yet, somehow, for some reason because

1690
01:01:07,998 --> 01:01:10,169
there's a chunk of really

1691
01:01:10,638 --> 01:01:13,260
horrible acting humans speaking in the name of

1692
01:01:13,260 --> 01:01:16,939
a an entire religion, and my friends feel

1693
01:01:17,074 --> 01:01:17,392
threatened.

1694
01:01:18,045 --> 01:01:19,164
You know, and feel unsafe.

1695
01:01:19,804 --> 01:01:22,445
You know, and people I very much love

1696
01:01:22,445 --> 01:01:23,724
and admire and respect,

1697
01:01:24,445 --> 01:01:26,295
be they gay or straight or, you know,

1698
01:01:26,454 --> 01:01:26,853
whatever,

1699
01:01:27,410 --> 01:01:27,910
anytime

1700
01:01:28,445 --> 01:01:29,002
anyone lumps.

1701
01:01:30,036 --> 01:01:30,934
Everyone together

1702
01:01:31,310 --> 01:01:33,714
like that, it it makes me crazy. And

1703
01:01:33,714 --> 01:01:35,014
if no 1 ever holds

1704
01:01:35,552 --> 01:01:38,130
straight white, this man accountable where for their

1705
01:01:38,189 --> 01:01:39,728
action. That was counting for

1706
01:01:40,427 --> 01:01:42,045
specific straight white men

1707
01:01:43,077 --> 01:01:45,867
actions. Like, no. The whole straight Cis white

1708
01:01:45,867 --> 01:01:48,339
community is not at fault for the actions

1709
01:01:48,339 --> 01:01:49,934
of 1 person ever. The 1 ever says

1710
01:01:49,934 --> 01:01:51,425
that. So why do people do that for

1711
01:01:51,544 --> 01:01:54,248
Minorities minority here. Yeah. It's it's so easy

1712
01:01:54,248 --> 01:01:55,998
to point fingers at other people. I mean,

1713
01:01:56,157 --> 01:01:58,010
it just didn't make... Unfortunately, it's

1714
01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:00,786
it makes the ego feel much better about

1715
01:02:00,786 --> 01:02:03,252
themselves and they can direct attention at something

1716
01:02:03,252 --> 01:02:04,206
else as being wrong.

1717
01:02:05,081 --> 01:02:06,053
Yeah. You know?

1718
01:02:06,692 --> 01:02:08,607
I didn't even hear about that flag thing.

1719
01:02:09,085 --> 01:02:11,479
Yeah. I... I tried not to go online

1720
01:02:11,479 --> 01:02:14,206
too much ironically because you know, podcast podcasts

1721
01:02:14,206 --> 01:02:15,801
or online, but it just... It makes me

1722
01:02:15,801 --> 01:02:17,395
create... The news makes me so crazy.

1723
01:02:17,953 --> 01:02:18,112
Yeah.

1724
01:02:18,830 --> 01:02:20,902
I really appreciate you talking to me Katie.

1725
01:02:21,301 --> 01:02:23,067
Yeah. Thank you for having me on. Yeah.

1726
01:02:23,305 --> 01:02:25,930
Or being back on in the future. Yeah.

1727
01:02:26,407 --> 01:02:28,021
And good luck with everything.

1728
01:02:28,809 --> 01:02:29,606
Thanks. Yeah.

1729
01:02:30,243 --> 01:02:31,597
Alright. Have a great day.

1730
01:02:33,191 --> 01:02:35,443
Thanks everybody for listening. I just wanna

1731
01:02:36,218 --> 01:02:38,311
say that any of you

1732
01:02:38,782 --> 01:02:40,847
are trying to figure some stuff out.

1733
01:02:41,483 --> 01:02:41,983
Transgender,

1734
01:02:42,675 --> 01:02:43,175
by

1735
01:02:43,628 --> 01:02:44,128
Lesbian

1736
01:02:44,581 --> 01:02:46,806
straight, whoever, all of you, everyone.

1737
01:02:47,856 --> 01:02:48,413
All people.

1738
01:02:48,970 --> 01:02:51,199
There are some great resources. There's a Trevor

1739
01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:51,699
project.

1740
01:02:52,472 --> 01:02:55,454
Their lifeline is 8664

1741
01:02:55,675 --> 01:03:00,315
you Trevor, which is 8664887386.

1742
01:03:01,275 --> 01:03:02,894
There's the national suicide

1743
01:03:03,195 --> 01:03:07,190
prevention lifeline at 1 800 273

1744
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:07,507
talk.

1745
01:03:08,542 --> 01:03:13,650
There's a trans lifeline at 8775658860.

1746
01:03:14,844 --> 01:03:15,344
And

1747
01:03:16,039 --> 01:03:16,778
there's also

1748
01:03:17,234 --> 01:03:19,862
advocacy groups out there. The national center for

1749
01:03:19,862 --> 01:03:21,057
transgender equality,

1750
01:03:22,108 --> 01:03:23,086
gender proud

1751
01:03:23,703 --> 01:03:28,509
advocates glad dot org, which is GLAAD

1752
01:03:28,886 --> 01:03:30,321
dot 0RG.

1753
01:03:31,371 --> 01:03:33,858
There's black trans advocacy, trans

1754
01:03:34,471 --> 01:03:36,378
coalition. There's lots of stuff out there.

1755
01:03:37,491 --> 01:03:37,809
Please.

1756
01:03:38,762 --> 01:03:39,421
I know

1757
01:03:40,367 --> 01:03:43,867
just life can be hard. And I can

1758
01:03:43,867 --> 01:03:46,491
only imagine what life is like when you're

1759
01:03:46,491 --> 01:03:48,534
trying to be, who you really are in

1760
01:03:48,654 --> 01:03:50,727
a world of people thinking you should be

1761
01:03:50,727 --> 01:03:52,082
exactly like everybody else.

1762
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:54,394
So that being said,

1763
01:03:55,032 --> 01:03:56,706
stay strong. You are loved.

1764
01:03:57,439 --> 01:03:59,589
And as Katie eloquently put it, you are

1765
01:03:59,589 --> 01:04:00,089
beautiful,

1766
01:04:00,863 --> 01:04:01,182
and

1767
01:04:02,058 --> 01:04:04,447
we need you, the world needs you, don't

1768
01:04:04,447 --> 01:04:05,482
give up. Alright?

1769
01:04:06,213 --> 01:04:06,610
Bye bye.