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firefighter.
We talk about 09:11,
and
first responders in general, and he's got some
pretty intense stories.
We talk about racism
and we talk out the media.
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09:11.
Now when you're a firefighter and something like
that happens
to you immediately think I've gotta get there,
do you just... I mean, well, how did
that experience back to you because
I know it still affects many firefighters.
I know that y'all lost a lot of
Brothers and sister that day and,
you know.
So
yeah.
Where do even start with album.
Yeah. You gotta go. Like, I was...
I slept in that day.
I don't know if I worked today before,
but
regardless Someone over another fire house.
I went into this living room just as
a second plane hit, and
you know, you're half asleep. You don't know
what the hell is going on. You know?
And
he got in his truck right after that
and took off.
He didn't really tell anybody he just kinda
did it. And then
and this this story is all out for
New York. Yeah. The story
plays out where. This is just my. I
understand. Terror. Yeah. You're in Indiana? Mh. Yeah.
And then another group went, and then I
was
I was supposed to go in the group
after, but by that time it was later,
they started kind of cord off everything a
little bit more securely, and
they said, you know, nobody else is really
allowed.
So I never went. Wasn't there. He was
there,
then another group of guys I know they
went. And
my
1 of my best friends,
Tim Brown,
he was a City environment for
you know, over to over 20 years, but
and I can't tell his story like he
can. But what I will say is
he
at the time, he worked before the 09:11,
he worked on rescue 3, which is 1
of the elite rescue companies in the world.
You know, New York has all of them.
Then he went to work for Mayor Giuliani,
and was in charge of,
setting up command post in case of disaster
strikes.
So he was,
and I'm not sure which Tyler was at
first
he was in the other
tower breakfast.
Yeah.
So the plane hits the first tower
and
there's a what is going on. So... And
I'm gonna cliff note a lot of this.
And I don't totally exactly
right telling it, but I'm gonna... When I
take from it, I'm gonna tell.
Runs out,
changes close,
comes back in
they realized the plane hit.
So he goes in the lobby
to start doing his job. Good work. And
fire are coming. While all these guys are
coming in and starting to filter in there
and
He saw 1 of his best friends. He,
Think he lost. I think the number
was 97
of his friends. So sad.
So
And this story always stuck with me, even
in it involved the rest of my life,
and I've heard him tell it a couple
times.
There's a fire in New York his name
is Terry
and he
got married to a woman named beth.
She was mary on secretary.
So then the guy was a captain,
but this guy was a badass.
Terry adams is a badass, New York City
fire in He was tough.
Was a 10 nation's leader.
Was just good.
And he was the captain to rescue 1.
And
He was 6 foot 6, I think, roughly,
and so he stood out obviously crowd.
They get in the lobby. There's a just
a see a firefighters and Tim sees terry
and terry. Sees him.
And Terry
makes his way to tim, and, you know,
he had all this gear on. He had
this big tool in his hand and
he just gives him this just... They just
great big bear. Right? Wraps his arm front
and and he said, I,
I don't think I'm gonna see her again,
other I love of you.
And then
they kissed each other,
up he goes, and
that was it. And
when
the building fell,
and again, there's stories like plan everywhere. And
you know in then there's all those guys.
All 03:43 of them are absolutely fucking heroes.
Like, I can't even
begin to describe it. I'm just telling this
story that I know what I've been told.
That deserves to be told.
But
So the building started to fall,
and Tim said it was the most deafening
thing,
the wind and the sound alone was the
just
it. And so, like, in those big buildings
day building, you see those big concrete
pillars in the lob,
like the support pillars.
So you grabbed onto it, and he grabbed
onto to it and just hugged it as
hard as he could, and the wind was
so blowing so hard.
It completely picked him up off the ground
perpendicular
to the.
What what causes that?
Just from the the pancake taking up the
building, collapsing the building created so much wind.
Yeah. You know, and it it was just
so... Has so much forced pressure behind. With
all his equipment off the ground. He had
lifted him, and he was completely... Whoa.
Perpendicular
to the support column. And he said he
was holding on for deer life.
Thinking about his brother. Thinking about his his
brother firing in providence. Thinking about his brother.
Think honest feeling,
thinking about everything. He's just... I'm gonna die.
This is it.
And all that stopped,
and
it was live.
And
He's an amazing,
amazing guy. I love him. And I love
your time if you listen this, but Did
he have any
repercussions from the health stuff this so many?
Well, as far as the health stuff goes,
I know and I can speak from the
guy that I worked with, Like, with you
were at ground 0, you have... Every year
you have a ground 0 physical.
No matter where you are on the country.
If you were there, you get this physical
and they do a lot of extra screening
and stuff like that.
So... Yeah.
He's done. He advocates,
I I don't really wanna
get into all that, but he
he's very
influential on
being the voice for these people that die.
Good. I mean, he should be. I mean,
as we all should be. That's a thing.
I mean,
we all should be.
In that
especially in that scenario.
I think there's some point in in time
that happens
as we go about our daily lives, and
like, you know, tragedy strikes
in other countries or do you know or
tsunami or bombs go off or buildings fall
in our own country or whatever.
And we have this thing
where for moment, we're a human being,
and that's all it matters,
and another human being is hurting
And then
give it a day or a week or
2 weeks or 3 weeks, we forget.
And we about our daily lives and we
forget to thank, you know, the fire man
when they're in the grocery store. We forget
to
say something to her mom dad like, hey,
what? It's hard to be a parent. Thanks
for doing a good job or whatever it
is or, like, say to an old person,
hey, you've really seen a lot in your
probably lonely because a lot of old people
are really freaking lonely. Mh. It's it's, like,
we're... So... Yeah. Be the voice of the
voiceless
because 09:11 was x amount of years ago
now. And people talk about it here and
there
in conspiracy or in
and I'm not against conspiracy theorist. I think
a lot of times they're are right. You
know? It's it's always a conspiracy until it's
proven right. But
just in it, in general, I think things
happen. In Oklahoma City,
you know? That was a horrible thing. People
don't only talk about it. He was there.
He was at Oklahoma City,
and Tim was at the first
bull trace ceremony bombing.
It's right. Yeah. See A lot people don't
people don't think about. Yeah. It was bombed
before. Yeah.
Yeah. So it's just... I remember after 09:11,
and this is off the firefighter point, but
I just remember after 09:11, I flew in
October
after 9 in October, I think it was
like, ninth or tenth or something. Whatever. And
I was nervous, like everyone was nervous,
but
it was... For me, I think fear it
compounds upon itself and it's very dangerous. Fear
is 1 of the most dangerous things there
is.
And
there was a man on the plane. I
I was sitting toward the front because I
get a little air sick sometimes if I
sit toward the back, so I try and
sit toward the front.
And
as I was waiting for the plane to
to board.
There was a man... A seek, you know,
they have the the turban
So there was a seek that was also
waiting toward the plane. And most people don't
know how to delineate between different religions. They
just see a color or
an outfit and they just make assumptions.
And this poor man,
I can't even tell you the amount of
hatred that was being
this man, it was just a dude taking
a flight had nothing to do with 09:11
it was not a terrorist. You know? It
was just a guy with a
with a turban
thinking of flight.
And I just remember feeling so horrible for
him. You know, that
I was scared. He was probably terrified side.
And we got on the plane, and he
was sitting just sort of cat corner to
me.
And I had to get up to go
the bathroom, and I I just back put
my hand on... It makes... It it makes
me actually choke all. I I put my
hand on his shoulder, and I looked at
them and as I walked by and just
just tried to say I love you. Mh.
Without saying anything. You know what I mean?
And went to the bathroom and
is should we forget how to be human
beings?
In this stuff.
So some very horrible people do some very
horrible things in the world.
Thank you for all you do to protect
us.
I appreciate it.
Thank you. Yeah.
Anyway,
boy, strange times, definitely would be Definitely, you
know, I was telling someone the other day.
Said
I couldn't even imagine being a police officer
anymore.
Couldn't do it. It's tough tough times for
that. Those guys are heroes. You I I
agree. And a couple bad apples do not
an orchard make. And... It's unfortunate because it's
not like the news the news was fear.
So it's like the news is prop getting
stories about wonderful police officers doing wonderful things.
You know, all I talked about is the
couple really crappy,
likely racist, horrible
officers doing really horrible, awful things. Sure. You
know? And it's true. Racism is alive and
well in America. Mh. It is.
And my friends who are black, you know,
I'd worry for them. I'm a white girl,
you know? So I'm a girl I'm pretty
lying too. No. I'm pretty dark skin
Just
some color.
Anyway,
point being is is, like,
you know, even as a as a white
person who loves my black friends, the fact
that even have to say they're black friends.
It's sucks.
You, they're my friends.
They're not, Like, I don't...
We're living a very trying time. And maybe
that's what needs to happen every
30 years to get rid of the old
yucky stuff and bring in the... Them so
el. Aren't I the old yucky stuff I'm
bringing in the the lovely wonderful stuff or
maybe
humans just won't ever get it because we're
a young race,
the human race is young and not very
together.
I'm very bright, really
him.
Our ego getting in our way. Power gets
in the way, Greed gets in the way.
A shame. It is. It really is this
unfortunate.
Yeah. And
I pray for them. I hope
don't a church like I should.
But churches is in your heart, my friend.
Yeah. But I I pray for them, and
you know, even though the cops in the
fire and give each other a lot of,
you know, give out give each other a
hard time. Sure. There's still lot brothers
sisters and,
I can imagine. Stop watching the news. Is
what I say. Yeah. Because it it perpetuate
this fear and this anger and this hatred,
I I've been reading some some great stories
online that
a, a guy was, like, look, I'm a
black guy. I walked into a convenience store.
It was a white cop and a white
person
behind the counter,
and I went in there to get my
sun whatever it was and walk around, and
and I walk up to the front, and
he said, and not... And he was really
uncomfortable as
understandably so. And as he's walking up to
the counter, the policeman says, how are you
doing?
You know, and I affect my voice so
I say that to to make more of
the story, but then the guy's, like,
I'm okay. How are you doing? And he's
like,
no. How are you really doing?
And
the black guy said that the white officer
hugged him. Mh. And said I'm so sorry
worry that this is all going on, you
know,
that's awesome.
That is a human moment. Mh. And it
sucks that that kind of humanity
seems to show itself in these really super
trying times,
and then people forget. Right.
Do we forget?
What happens? Why do we... Is it that
we're just so self absorbed or we just
get too busy or whatever or why do
we forget? The the homeless guy is me.
You know? Sure. The guy blowing up a
building is me that, you know, the person
rescuing the person is me.
Think life just goes on and people just
live life, you know and they just don't
don't remember. And just kinda put it back.
You know? And I And I I watched
a great Facebook video their day.
The Dallas police lined up. Men, women, black
white, you know, green purple didn't matter.
And
there was a huge line of civilians
lined up
same thing.
People have all races.
And they just...
The line went down. They hugged all the
police. Oh. It was amazing. It's beautiful. Yeah.
It is. You know? And
It was just a great time. It was
a great thing to see as an American,
you know. Mh. That's a huge We don't
see anything thing to it. It's like, why
delineate that
it just as a human is a great
thing. Sure. You know? That's true. And... But
I I just hope that
it is scary. You know, you wanna get
the
you wanna get the assholes off the earth,
you know? And Yeah.
And
definitely trying times for sure.
These are good people. You know, these any
body cameras and all this stuff. I just
use
policing is not... From what my friends have
said, policing just not what used to be.
What is? And they're not talking about beating
up people and
going out looking for a fight.
You know, they're talking about
protecting human beings, and
they get their car every day and they're,
like,
had like...
If I get into a situation,
am I gonna think about protecting
the civilians and my cell first or am
I gonna think about the next Youtube video
or the next It is week Facebook the
post. Sure. That goes out. And they're like,
I don't know what's to do anymore more.
Yeah. You know? I mean,
people watch these short videos and
think they're
professionals, and they think they got all the
answers, and they, you know, they don't know
the whole story. Yeah. So So...
I don't know, I watched a couple those
videos and I just...
There will concept that people are innocent they're
proven guilty, you know, still needs to ring
true. If your life is in jeopardy, if
somebody is physically holding a gun to you,
that's a whole another Bottle of wax. Right
but
some of these are... That's not like that.
It's not... They don't go down like that.
And innocent people are being murdered and
I think it is a race thing. I
think people see a black person in a
situation, like, oh my god. I mean, there
is a sort of subtle racism that happens
just in general, if a... Let's say, a
woman is walking on the street by herself.
A white woman. Let's just make it a
perfect scenario. White woman's walking by herself down
the street and a black man
let's like, a teenage black kid or something.
It's walking porter. Got a hoodie. Let's just
paint the whole pre presidential
picture,
she's get older her purse a little tighter.
Sure. Even if she's not aware that she's
doing it. Mh. Subtle racism. So that's
that still perm the land. And then, obviously,
over racism
definitely perm Land and not just see it's
blacks, against Latinos and latinos and, you know,
it's... And it's weird like,
I talk about this all the time because
I... Find it fast saying that
sexism, racism, x pho, all that stuff is
so casual in conversation.
And people don't even realize
that they're per
these stereotypes,
you know, like, jew him down or, oh,
you know, Mexicans are great for doing health
work or, you know, like, any of that
crap,
it's...
When when the whole whole concept of a
terrorist is just basically the... They're muslim... Muslims
or terrorists. And the news does this.
It I cringe when something horrible happens. I
just... I pray so hard am I please
don't let them being muslim, please. Because my
friends were them who are awesome
and lovely people are terrified.
They're scared they're gonna get beat up or
their businesses are gonna get broken into or
the... Or, you know, not nobody will go
to their businesses or all this is a
real problem.
And
you know, it just... It makes me crazy.
Yeah. It makes me so crazy.
And then it's said, we're, like, I'm a
white girl if that's going crazy over the
fact that, you know, people of color for
a lack of a better word are
dealing with this, but it's my problem too.
Old. Sure. You know? And it that subtlety
that perm... I remember, so my father's is
Jewish, remember Epi.
So I was raised
in an... They're both
intellectual. They're, like, I think we've had this
conversation. They're, like, you pick who you are
or we're not gonna tell you who you
are. And they're great. They taught me about
all the different religions, all the different myth
methodologies, you know, all this kind of stuff.
They took me to church. They took me
to temple. Whatever I wanted,
which is wonderful.
And
that being said, I was
and I was
in my younger years,
I was invited to be in a wedding,
and the wedding was a destination wedding,
and when you're walking with,
you know, the the young ones we're walking
with the parents
and
a couple of parents were trying to barter
with the locals, we were in Mexico,
trying to barter with the locals.
And 1 of the parents that, just chew
them down. Just chew them down. And I'm
standing there thinking, do you even know what
that says or what that means that that
casual flow bit thing that seems like no
big deal
in a society where people don't know better.
It is deal. I remember. When I was
little, my parents wouldn't let me watch
all in the family.
Yeah. Because Carol Con... Carol Connor character was
so racist and So overt ver,
a jerk, you know, and they didn't think
that I would understand the irony, which is
true. A small child wouldn't understand irony.
And so I was in love to watch
until I was older and could understand the
concept that he was actually poking fun at
those kind of people.
Anyway, I just... I think it to be
careful
because that stuff see in. I mean, I
think everybody is pretty much smart enough to
say, have there been people black white,
Asian, whatever that have been shot? That should
have been shot? In the history of the
world. Of course. Right? We could... Yeah. I
mean, we know that. But like, if
it doesn't matter who you are,
any race. If
you don't... If the cop tells you and
you may be innocent. But if the cop
tells you to put your hands up or
gives you a command.
Like, if you don't do it,
don't expect to get, like, a junior achievement
award for good behavior. I think people I
don't
necessarily...
Look I think it depends on who you
are and what you look like because if
you say why would be pulled over
to running on my race or my gender
or whatever. I've been solicit for sex by
police officers who pulled me over. I have.
That's us saying that all police officers are
sexual predators,
but some are,
just here's the thing. This is what I
think. I I think people are drawn to
a profession where they can
see who they are. Right? Like you wanna
help people.
You grew up around fire people, fire, fire
women. You you grew up going. I wanna
people I wanna serve. So that's what you
are. Right? But look at the pe files
who get into careers where they're
in places they can be around a little
children, their churches or soccer
coaches or whatever,
or certain policeman who
have a problem with aggression
and
our bullies.
So maybe they're like, what's a great job
for a person like that. They'll be drawn
to place where you have authority over another...
You know what I mean? Like, I think
that that happens.
And so again, you can't...
You can't call a couple bad apples, the
whole orchard. Sure. Yeah. That's... I mean, I
just made that up. It's
it twice, but whatever. And this you know,
it's
it sucks. They're bad people in the world,
and there are great people in the world
and there's a lot of middle ground. People
who are a little bad, good. Just depending
on the day, You know?
But in the case of that that man
that was shot,
the police upset said I have a gun.
You know, I'm licensed to carry. He said,
put your hands... He's said give me your
Id. Put your hands in the air.
He's like, okay. My hands are in the
air.
I have give you my Id, then it
gets real complicated real fast. And if you
are the person saying I have a a
you know, my dad's license to carry. Right?
Sure.
If he gets pulled over, and he's like,
I have a gun in the car, I'm
licensed to carry,
things get weird, real fast, but he's like,
old, Jewish dude. Like, is he gonna get
the same treatment as like a 24 year
old black dude. I doubt it. No matter
what. Whether...
Because that's a thing with racism. Is it
subtle. You may never think you're recent speak
not you, the royal you. Sure. A person
may not even think of themselves with racist
in any way, shape or form
and yet
sell racism
it's just everywhere. I do... You know...
I don't... I don't know what my point
was with that, but... No. We good. I
see very
passionate about it.
I mean, it's not it's
It's it's not static. It's dynamic
that everything changes, you know, and it depends
on so many variables, you know? And
I'm not gonna sit here and say,
I'm not talking about the the instances like,
specifically. But sure. This guy should've have done
this. And this guy should have done that.
Well,
I wasn't there. Right. Like, I don't... Some
people
in our professions,
we have to make split second decisions. Some
times. Totally. And sometimes
people will live or die
by those decisions.
So...
And that's just not... That's just with everything.
Yeah. You know? So
for me to say, I I just don't...
You know, I don't wanna give...
I've been seeing my friends get just beat
a lot 5. I'm week. Absolutely which is
right. They're good cops. I... They're good people.
Yeah. And then not right. It to be
that way. I'm so happy they're sticking out
for themselves, and they're trying to explain these
people like,
we are trained this way. Yeah. If this
happens,
we are trained this way, But but you
don't understand. Because you're not trained that way.
You don't think like a cop. A cop
things in a completely different way than the
fire thinks. Sure. You know, that's why we
can A civilian. The way it's thinks. Like
if I were, for example, using that thing
that just happened if I were that police
officer who or me, I have no training
in police, I can't speak to it. I
have no idea. But if somebody said, I'm
carrying a weapon right now. I'd be like,
get out of the car. And I would
train my guy and say gallo car, put
your hands get the car and then
whatever happens next. Do those cops ride solo
of the time? I don't know. I don't
know any of. But you're gonna get out
of the car, put your hands up and,
you know, even if you haven't done anything,
you're gonna do what they say and you'll
sort the rest of the bullshit out later.
I agree. I agree will sort out later.
Absolutely. And you should do what they say.
I'm totally agree you. Like they're asking you
to give them a. I don't wanna... Right.
I like...
I don't wanna do that. Yeah.
No I got dinner.
I'm so standards. Like, least take me to
ruth Chris first Mean. We're goodness say.
It's awful 6
meal like.
I don't wanna double on the protein.
Gotta keep my finger.
Anyway, It's a great
conversation. I think. It is. And nobody no
has the answers, unfortunately, but it's a great
conversation, and I think people are scared to
even have the conversation. And that hurts.
The world.
If you don't have the conversation, if you're
not being loud about it,
then we all suffer as a human as
a human race, we suffer.
Know, I think that's why comedian nowadays that's
that's all they talk about.
Is just to get it out there. Sure.
Because we know if we don't to the
elephant open in the room, the elephant gonna
stop all over and bring to China, you
know?
So... I just hope honestly, that we... As
Americans
and even as humanity,
but,
I mean, also as Americans, we come together
and
we take care of 1 another
and a friend of mine had a post,
and he was like today,
I'm going to show someone
of another race or another whatever that
I care about them.
And that's 1 example. That's a.
Hey. 1 is a lot. Yeah. You know,
multiply that over a million tons. It's... You're
getting somewhere. Right? Over 300000000
or whatever
Yeah. Do it twice. Yeah. You know, better
than mini word 5 minutes ago. Sure. But
yeah. It's...
Here's... Let's chairs we've been drinking wine during
in this whole thing. No judge us. But
here is ta humanity may she survive us
all. Yes. Sure. Thank you. Thanks for this
little extra chat. Yeah. Thank you. I don't
know Really got anywhere people probably think we're
crazy, but
I love crazy. It's my favorite thing. Yeah.
Alright. Alright so. Yay. That's week.