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This is episode
458,
and my guest is Chad Covington.
He's the founder and CEO of Creative Within,
and he grew up exploring the world of
computers and their language and their inner
and outer workings.
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AI,
artificial intelligence,
its applications and implications,
and what that technology means for humans moving
forward, how we will evolve with AI or
not,
how AI will evolve with or without us.
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Chad Covington, welcome to Hey Human. Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
Everything about you is intriguing to me. What
you do for a living, what interests you.
So I'm really excited that you're on the
show. Thank you. I'm excited too. I am.
Let's dig right in. Tell me where you
were born. Where did you grow up? How
that shaped you?
Wow.
Originally from Hampton, Virginia. It is a town
of
athletes, I would say. The the
majority of the people there have are competitive,
play sports in some nature. From what I've
seen, Athletes and military,
it's a big military town as well
too. So, I was raised by my mother.
I have a ton of sisters.
I have a big family of sisters, I'll
say cousins,
my God family, but the main person in
my life that was important to me was
my mother. The person who gave me the
whole foundation in my life,
spirituality,
and just she's the reason why I am
who I am today. So Hey. Good job.
Thank you. I'm sure when she hears that
she she will be happy, but, you know,
she, she's a phenomenal woman.
What's it like being raised in a family
with all sisters? You say you have six.
Right?
Yeah. I have an interesting story as far
as the the true it's not a traditional
six, but it's a six I say,
more publicly. Now I do have some god
brothers in there as well too.
To me, it was it was all it
was kinda normal.
But as I'm growing up and looking back,
I'm realizing it probably wasn't so normal. In
just the context of how we all were
raised together in this sense of family,
that's what I think is kind of giving
me that foundation of just patience
and willingness to
come together as
just thinking a little bit differently. Sometimes I
think I'm connected a little bit too much
to my feminine side, being raised by nothing
but primarily women, for the most part, with
the exception of godfathers and uncles and things
like that that have came in and out
of my life. But To be in touch
with your feminine side, to me, that just
means that you are you listen
or maybe you're more present.
And it's interesting that
we put that on men of having that
be some sort of a negative where same
with on women.
Oh, she's in touch with her masculine side
because she, you know, gets things done or
is boss in her life. Right. Isn't that
interesting how we do that?
For me, it's a combination of that. You
are right. But I also mean as far
as the way that I was raised is
you better be able to do both. Right?
You better be able to take care of
the house, but you better be able to
cook clean and do everything too. And you
better open all the doors for all of
us and have the chivalry side too. But
I guess I see it because in a
lot of my male friends, especially,
like there's things that I hear they struggle
with, the attentiveness and just things that I
felt like I was almost groomed to do.
And they tell me, well, man, we don't
have that. We just don't we weren't raised
like that or and and I'm like, I
don't necessarily mean no. That's just
the female aspect, but more of just maybe
how I was raised.
I think of, okay, sports
and military that surrounding your town,
which is
hyper masculine. Right? You think of sport, military,
and then having that balance of the feminine
energy
growing up in that household,
I'm I'm sure that was a an interesting
you know, the minute you leave the house,
you have these outside influences
informing you. And then inside the house, it's
a whole other vibe of you. I I
took a personality test one time at a
organization I was with prior, and
it it labeled me pretty much as a
chameleonaire
and being able to adapt to multiple
areas. And I had to I did some
inner work, and I'm like, what does that
actually mean?
And I thought about just my upbringing. So
I grew up in, like I said, Hampton,
Virginia, primarily
more in a black area,
but then my mother pushed us to go
to more predominantly white schools.
So I would leave the house in,
this area where it was predominantly black and
there was things going on that made
me kind of question to go to a
better school and get a better environment. But
even from that moment, I would go to
the schools
and wouldn't be accepted because I'm
pretty much the only black person in the
school. Well, not in school, but in classes.
So I wasn't accepted there. But then when
I came home, all my friends that were
in my neighborhood, they would tell me,
why don't you go to school with us?
And and I get questioned that way, and
I would have to adapt almost to this
person that had to survive in either world.
The code switching.
Yeah. Absolutely. I've had to do it my
whole life. Yeah.
Do you find that now as an adult
that comes up a lot, or are you
more integrated into yourself as far as just
you exist in the world as who you
are instead of thinking about it? Mhmm. It's
just started,
I would say, in the last year, maybe,
give or take two years. It's after
it it truly started for me during the
pandemic where the isolation
and realizing
I'm not necessarily showing up
a % as I want to,
in who I am. It's something as simple
and I've talked about this to my friends
and family. Like, even with my hair, never
had hair, never you know, I was very
clean-cut, looked like
very professional suits, ties, everything like that every
day.
And it was just things that I wanted
to do that I think not not just
myself. I think all of us at some
point during the pandemic,
it changed us and who we are. Just
for me, it was more I lived too
much in the corporate world, and I care
too much about what everybody perceived me as
versus showing
up who I am authentically, which has been
a focus of me as of late. I
think the isolation from the world that I
was used to being in. Right? You're sitting
in meetings every day. At the time, I
had just done an acquisition,
so I was flying to Chicago every other
week for the last two years. I was
always on. I was dealing with the FTC,
to get an acquisition approved and dealing with
just
a lot of corporate that I I had
to always be on for almost two years.
And then the pandemic hit, and that just
completely stopped.
The pandemic did such an interesting thing to
humans.
And
I I often think about this when I'm
at the airport.
I say, god, the people at the airports
feel feral anymore.
It's just,
like, what is that movie?
Thunderdome where everybody's just out of themselves and
being
intense and shoving and not paying attention to
the outside of themselves. And it's almost like
we've all forgotten
in a way how how to human or
something. Or maybe we never had it at
all, and it just we had a little
bit more practice when we were amongst each
other. I I agree with that. I talk
about this all the time. I'm an over
giver, and I'm guilty. That's like,
I will give
here. Just take it. I don't care because
I feel like we are supposed to help
each other. That is the the whole purpose
in us being in this
alive. Right? We're supposed to do good, love
each other, and help each other, and ascend
to another level of honestly consciousness. But I
think we, as a society, are so self
absorbed into
me, me, me. Right? And we don't realize
that if we would actually help each other,
we would all be better.
But, I mean, that's why
I didn't really know anybody at that party.
I mean, I knew the host, obviously. But
and then I sat down, and we immediately
started talking. And to me, that's
that's normal and that that's how we should
all be. We shall just start talking to
each other. Right. And then our own self
unassuredness
or
fish out of water or I don't know
anybody
what if I say the wrong thing or
do the wrong thing or, you know, whatever
it is. We
I think
what I recognized in you that I feel
like I have in me too is
that it's just like, oh,
here's a human being that, you know, is
smiling and friendly and chatty and And it's
an energy. It's almost like a welcoming energy.
I get it from my mom because she's
the same same exact way. Does it tire
you out? Do you feel like you give
a lot of yourself? You said you're you
give and give and give, but do emotionally,
do you think that
when you get home at night, do you
kinda crash out? I do.
I absolutely do.
And I'm trying to find that balance too.
I am an empath, so I feel things.
I feel energy.
Immediately when I feel people, I can sometimes
growing up, this was an issue with me
because I didn't know what this was. I
would feel drained or I would feel tired.
And and it's not necessarily me I'm feeling.
I can feel others. Through practice,
you have to elevate your energy either higher
than the room or sometimes you have to
leave the room and just take a minute
for yourself. It's okay to tell
others, hey. I just need a moment for
myself or, you know, to show up as
the best version of yourself. It makes all
the difference in the world to replug into
oneself.
But it is something that's hard to learn
if you're a giver.
Very hard. I'm I still struggle with it
because at the same token, I know,
and I pray over things. Right? I I
ask for guidance.
I'm not perfect by any means. I'm human,
and I mess up all the time.
But I can honestly say I've helped more
than I've hurt
the majority of these people in the in
my life, you know, and it is a
balance. It is truly a balance. I got
party when so I drove just for the
day just to show up for my friends.
You know what I mean? Because I I
I had a I had a feeling that
was gonna happen, but my confirmation happened and
the proposal and the housewarming. Everything just it
was so beautiful.
And, you know, most people my friends tell
me, why are you you're driving there for
a day. That's crazy. And it's like, no.
You show up for your people. Yeah. And
I think as we grow older too, we
we draw if we're lucky, we draw in
people that don't take advantage of that kindness.
Kindness is not weakness.
Right.
Right. That's a that's a fair statement
that I I also get all the time.
Because just because I'm kind does not mean
you can take advantage of me.
I will speak up.
Yeah. I think that's a lesson a lot
of empaths have to learn kinda early on
because we get
get beat up a bit. Mhmm. It's so
horrible. And then
one day, you wake up, you're like, I'm
kinda tired of that.
When you were in school, I you and
I joked that you said you were a
nerd. When you were in school growing up,
did were you already drawn
to things that were numerical and sciency and
all that? Did you find yourself being pulled
in that direction instead of, you know, you
grew up in a town that's really big
on sports and military instead of that? I
grew up,
playing playing sports, playing basketball.
And in my head, I was gonna be
the next Michael Jordan. However, life had a
different path for me, and that's okay. I
found myself as a child always tinkering. Right?
I like to take things apart, put them
together,
and and I was just creative
from a technology perspective. And then,
my my godfather, who was the first person
that really
showed me he always had computers, and he's
paramilitary
air traffic controller with the air force. And
so he always had this stuff, just
stuff that now is normal, but then he
had computers back when they weren't so normal
to have them. And my god family was
big on just they we always came together.
My mom was like their mom because my
god family's, their mother actually passed. And so
my father wasn't in my life, so he
kinda gave me that security there. And so
from there, I would go over to his
house. He'd give me his old computers,
and that's where it started. It it you
know, it was I'd go play basketball. I'd
come do all this stuff, and then I'd
come home and I slowly learn about computers.
And then
growing up the way we grew up, we
were poor. So when he gave us his
old computers,
they were outdated. So I started to learn
slowly. Okay. I need to go and buy
these things to make it move faster or
more memory
and slowly started building on that over time.
By that time in around high school, I'd
say maybe middle school, high school,
computers were more of a thing and they
started actually showing, okay, let's teach you how
to type. Let's teach you how to do
all these things.
And I'm typing a 20 words a minute.
And I'm like, this is not normal. And
I'm telling my mom, she's like, yeah, my
son can type so fast. I'm like, mom,
I don't know how to explain it. I
just understand computers. Once I'm sitting down with
one,
even to this day, it's it's it's a
gift for me to be able to understand
applications,
and not have the formal training.
It feels
almost euphoric for me
to when I when I'm on a computer
and I'm solving a problem,
And
almost to the point, it's it it can
be a curse sometimes because I will stay
in my office for three days straight
to solve a problem.
And so I think
that's the fascination. Like, even when when AI
came out, right, I was obsessive over it.
Like, okay, how do let me understand this.
It was
it was something that I I I've always
had the ability to see things for their
true potential later on
faster than others. And so when that happens,
I'm like, okay. How can I truly understand
this?
I started tinkering more and more and more
and started under this understanding the computer more.
And my godfather,
he he big Star Trek guy in Star
Wars. So
we're always talking about the typical nerd stuff,
and
we would always be talking about computers. And
then I had this one friend who was
a little bit older than me in my
neighborhood. He was always on computers as well
too.
And so we started just talking about things.
We'd be downloading music
when we should not have been downloading music,
but that's what we did, and and putting
things on CDs and selling them and doing
whatever we had to do.
But it just
I started seeing as this is an opportunity
of, like, there's something more to this. I
don't understand it now, but it's gonna come
to me one day. Did you go to
college for computers?
No. Went to school for business management.
Did my first my first job out of
college was at Enterprise, the car rental company.
So I was learning about business from there,
and then I got an opportunity to work
for a government contractor in Dallas, Fort Worth.
So that got me
to escape Virginia and move to Texas.
And I think
that job has kinda made me get more
technical, learning about databases.
It started with Excel, but then it just
extended out to SQL, learning about networks, how
everything interacts together.
And And then from there, I got an
opportunity to move to Arizona,
which
was
a different level of
technical with
management of computers,
and and the team and projects and overseeing
just, you know,
a company being sold, I've been very fortunate.
I mean, even when I was in Texas,
we, we supported the military as a government
contractor. So I spent some time in Afghanistan.
We would go to Kuwait, done, meetings in
Dubai. Just was it was I was very
fortunate early on.
First of all, it must have been hard
to suddenly leave a big family like that
and be
on your own.
Was that difficult?
No. I have my own bathroom.
I can
And I tampon in sight. Right, I don't
have any anything, no one yelling at me,
no, you know, at my own space,
no, it was
I was
So I played basketball in Italy and Greece
when I was 16.
Oh, wow.
And when I did that, it was a
sports ambassador program called People to People.
When I did that, that changed my life,
I was ready to leave
immediately.
And my mother will vouch for me on
this too is that when I came back,
I looked different, and I was a completely
different person because I realized there was a
bigger world than Hampton, Virginia.
I think every I I mean, I wish
every kid could afford to travel the world
because it does open up the mind and
the soul so much.
It it changed my life completely. I mean,
I was not in the best situation sports
wise. That's all I was living and breathing
at the time. Grades were always fine. I
didn't have the best coaching, but that opportunity,
it changed my life completely when I got
back. Even everyone when they saw me, they
I've lost a ton of weight. I had
all the baby fat that just
disappeared in that time period. And,
I when I looked back on life, that
was a a key pivotal moment for me.
And did you already start to develop businesses?
Because I I think I remember you saying
that you sold a couple businesses in your
young life, and were you already getting the
seeds for that?
No. That was more just with the acquisition
that I did, but I I've always been
kind of an entrepreneur,
in some way or shape. When I look
back, even
as a kid on the computer selling
CDs and music. Right? And then from there,
when I went to college and stopped pursuing
basketball,
I was working multiple jobs. I remember getting
a contract as a DJ.
So I taught myself how to DJ. It
was at Everett University. That was the first
school I went to, but all the music,
ironically enough, that I had downloaded
before
ended up becoming my music now that I
could use to actually go and make money
at the university. And so I would do
gigs. I remember telling my friends, they were
like, how'd you learn how to DJ and
where did this come from? Like, well, technically,
my mom and I guess my dad told
me they used to DJ before, but
I I never physically saw it. But,
I remember we did have
this one turntable,
growing up that I would just play with.
And so it's I'm like, this can't be
that hard. Right? You can teach yourself how
to DJ. You just
figure it out, and I figured it out.
You were the kid that took apart and
we put together the toaster probably. Right? Mhmm.
Yeah. And try to make a TV out
of a toaster or you know?
But it's always been like that. I've always
had to
make the best with what I have to
figure it out. And it even now I
do some consulting on the side.
Right? And I've been able to leverage my
experiences throughout life and helping
people to help a lot of small businesses
that are trying to scale up.
But it I don't know. Life's a circle.
It all comes together. It really does. Let's
talk about AI. That really got it going
at the party.
Do you
first of all, what is your perspective on
AI,
where it is now, and where it's heading?
We, we're all doomed. I'm kidding.
But it's,
I don't know. I don't know. I I
I spend too much time with AI. You
train it. Yes? I train them train the
models as well as I leverage it on
a day to day basis. So I leverage
it on the aspect of, like, we all
do, right, in some way or shape, but
some of us are more heavily into it
where you're looking at building the models.
So
case in point, if I were to
wanna have an analyst. Think of an analyst,
a financial analyst. We'll we'll say stock market.
Right? Got a stock market,
somebody that's a financial analyst or their financial
broker.
And so what they do is they look
at data all day. They make business decisions.
They might call you and say, hey. We
think these stocks are going to do well,
and you should invest your money in these
stocks. Right?
They have to do a ton of research
all day and night. That's what they do.
Now in this case, I would look to
work with my myself and my team because
it's not just me, but we would look
at all the data elements and build the
model to where
we could potentially have a financial analyst that's
doing the insights. That's the AI model.
So, theoretically,
either that financial analyst can leverage that tool
to then help its clients faster
in this first wave of AI.
Right? But this next wave that I think
that we can get to in this example
is that it would
theoretically become autonomous,
meaning the data is free flowing into the
AI
model. And there's multiple different levels of AI.
It's not just this one one all size
fits everything. But theoretically, and this is where
I'm more curious and still trying to understand
more even with OpenAI and all these different
companies is
what is driving the back end model
for them? Like, what is their what is
their back end?
Like like, in in the financial,
the financial model, I'm telling you, that's just
one type of model.
But within their model, it's a language model,
but it also can do other things. Right?
It can it can do math. It can
do analytics.
Sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong, but it's
constantly evolving.
And so that's the thing I think at
some point we will need governance because that's
what everyone's fearful of. Right? Even myself,
AI is gonna take over my job. Right?
It's just like when
computers just came out. We we continue to
evolve as humans, but
we will get to a point where we're
almost
creating our own demise, I'll I'll say.
Right? Where
it scares me, and I'm with AI. I
love it, but it scares me too because
I pretty much do the work I can
do the work of three to four people
on my own, but
if you give me AI,
it does make me feel superhuman almost. Like,
I can do
10 to 15 times faster
because I know how to use it. I
know how to go and ask it the
right questions. Alright. Let me get this sort
of wrapping my brain around it. Right now,
AI
is like a super coach that's teaching you
how to do teaching humans
how to do things and making whatever they
know
that much
faster.
But the only thing AI has is what
it's fed to by humans, but we're gonna
reach
a point where
it
I'm gonna say this. So it's my understanding
that AI
everything AI is and does
is based on everything that's already been done.
It's not like they're creating new things. They
can only
evolve themselves based on what's already been created.
Right?
It depends, kind of, because it can it
can forecast.
Right? It depends on the data that it's
given.
So there's some I think and I might
be wrong on this, and that's okay. But
like, within an open AI, I think they're
scraping the Internet. So that's a ton of
information.
It's a it's a it's a lot, you
know. And
within that,
it can theoretically
do things the same way we would.
Because we only we only as humans, we
only know what we know, but we have
to have the ability
to think forward too based off of what
we know. Right? So to make up with
that decision,
it's gonna evolve especially when you put AI
with quantum
with quantum computing. Explain that a little bit
what that means. Okay. So think of Pac
Man. Right? Pac Man goes through the maze.
It goes just like
through the maze. It's trying you're trying to
get through there one at a time all
through every decision and get to the end.
Right?
Now Ponson computing
looks at every
every possible way to solve that maze.
So
instantaneously,
then it can come up with a solution.
So it it it's completely different. Whereas all
of the computers now are zeros and ones,
quantum computing can be a zero and a
one at the same time to solve the
problem.
So while AI is looking at something and
seeing all the potential possibilities
and working through the problems based on what
humans have told it to think, quantum
mechanics,
it does that all instantaneously
and maybe even the things that the AI
didn't think of?
Correct. It would be think of the quantum
computing as like a new computer, and the
AI is the brain. When you put the
two together
We're screwed.
I mean, what's what's quantum computing? There's, like,
an arms race right now. Right? All these
companies are quietly
I mean, AI is phenomenal, but I'm, like,
I'm more
thinking about quantum computing because quantum computing is
that's going to change everything. It will change
our infrastructure.
Like, we were talking about earlier with passcodes
and everything, all that stuff breaks because it
can come up with this solution. It's like
the keys to the world almost. And it
can predict
better things that will happen
because of it'll be able to go through
every different every possibility. It's it's a statistician's,
like,
dream to have this when when when it
actually is created. Like, there are times when
I'm asked to predict
business that's gonna happen, and if we get
it, what's gonna happen, or if we're gonna
lose it, when are we gonna lose it
from a retail model that will take me
weeks to do? The AI will be able
to do it with quantum computing in in
seconds.
Wow.
But that would almost make the stock mark
make everybody an insider trader or something. Right?
Theoretically, if you're gonna be a day trader,
you could be able it it would like,
the our entire infrastructure will will have to
be changed. I mean, that's the thing where
I think about where people I know have
floated the idea of a universal paycheck. Every
human
makes x y z amount of money, and
then the computers run the world.
The problem is is greed. Right? It's not
like
the ultra rich, you're going to be contented
with
having their caste system taken away.
Or there won't be that. It'll just be
I don't know. I feel like
this probably gonna get too deep, but I
feel like this is almost like the end
of days because
once we get to one world society, one
religion, one everything
I just don't see that. I just feel
like humans are kinda
dicks. Like, do you really think we'll get
to a point where we'll
be one
anything?
It
I mean, maybe, but even
now we're in the throes of
I feel like this
epic do you ever read Stephen King, The
Stand?
Right. This epic good and evil kind of
thing. If if evil were the greedy overlords
and the good, which the people literally just
trying to put food on the table. We're
not greedy.
I mean, I love I I love things
that Elon Musk has created,
but if you look at him just as
one person,
he is a multi billionaire and he worked
his ass off to get there and I
will give it to him.
But why do you need that amount of
money
when there's
so much going on in this world that
you could help? Oh, and why are you
trying to get to Mars when you could
turn around?
That's the other thing that makes me insane.
I'm not telling I'm not trying to tell
rich people or people who have earned all
their money or whatever
how to how to spend it or anything
like that, but just let's just take Christ
consciousness
just for the sake of existing in a
world
with other people. How do you not look
around,
have all that money,
and know you could make a difference and
not do it?
That's the thing that I'm saying. It's like,
hey. I think I made that joke to
you the other day. So,
hey. I if it's programmed to to make
sure humans
do no harm, you know, that that that
they don't harm humans. And then ultimately,
what if they realize, oh, wait. The greatest
threat to humanity is
humans.
Right. And just infinity stones everybody out of
here. Right. I don't know. I
think it's
I don't know. I struggle with that. Like,
my friends,
they they tell me this all the time.
You're too nice. You're this. And I'm like,
I'm too nice, so I'm treating and loving
people how they're supposed to. Why is that
a bad thing?
And it's it's frowned upon, And it's
so weird to me. Yeah.
I don't know. Maybe weird.
Weird.
When I was driving around LA, I just
because I don't go there often. I was
I saw so much homelessness and I'm like,
this is a movie. This is something This
is seriously a scene from a movie.
And there's so many wealthy people here. Do
you mean to tell me you guys can't
go buy buy land? Wants it in their
yard. Nobody
everybody wants something to be done about it,
but nobody wants to do the thing that
will take care of it. And when I'm
out there in the world, I'm just like,
okay.
I'm putting on the Infinity Stones. Why can't
I ever think of that guy's name that
did that? Thanos. Thanos.
Yeah. I'm ready to Thanos everybody. Yeah. I'm
ready myself.
I mean, I'll go too. You know? And
then another day goes by, and and I'm
okay again, but
it it does
I don't know. Now we're getting really, like,
philosophical, but,
hey, I could never have this conversation or
maybe it could. You probably could. You probably
could. Yeah.
Actually, my friend,
Rachel, who I adore, she and I talked
today, and, you know, she she uses
is a chat GBT. This is how woefully
ignorant I am of all things AI because
it freaks me out. And as a creative,
I'm like, nope. Staying away from that.
But she
she'll get into a conversation with someone, and
she's like, who's right? Who's wrong? And she'll
read the text to the AI, and the
AI will be like, you were right. That's
like
Oh my goodness.
See. I could see it. Maybe it'll be
useful in arbitration
or
marriage counseling or
I don't know.
I don't know. At first, when I first
saw it, I'm like, okay. This is great.
And I loved it. And then,
my younger sister,
who I love, my my younger sister, Kayla,
I
love her to death. And
she's a graphic designer and she is
absolutely talented. Like when she's ready, she will
do it. She will produce
greatness on the level of Disney and Netflix
and
the she is so talented. You know, you
never you see someone so talented, you're like,
when they're ready, it's gonna happen. Right?
And when I talk to her,
and I could hear the pain in her
voice because she's like,
all of these studios are now just talking
about
we're going to just use AI and not
use you. And my my sister is she's
been drawing. I remember her winning competitions
in the third grade against college artists.
Draws to the point her hands hurt. Right?
And I hear that in her voice, the
pain and because this is her passion.
And people are just I mean, they're they're
they're taking it away. There is still value
in the human element. There's still value in
that creative side. These same conversations we're having
right now, we have it, like, when we
talk on the phone, and it's,
it it it just shows me too, like,
the impact that this is going to have
for everyone. Not it's everybody. No one's safe.
Do you think in the realm of creativity
that
for everything from poetry to music to art,
and paint you know, paintings and
movies and all of this,
that
the humans
will be distrustful of that, that there'll be
some part of it that just doesn't feel
right or say right, or do you think
we are adapting?
I I feel like we're already being trained
by, you know, TikTok, these three second bytes
or ten seconds or twenty seconds, and now
there's a bunch of AI flooding TikTok, and
it's all just sort of slowly
getting us all conditioned into
quick,
doesn't doesn't go very deep,
isn't realistic.
Do you do you know what I'm saying?
I know what you mean. No. No. You're
right. And we we are being I think
we're being conditioned, but we're also
training our replacements too.
Right?
Like, I think we're being conditioned to get
that instant
gratification in thirty seconds and
versus
this. Right? This human interaction, this this,
ability for us to have a conversation,
most people can't do now. And the younger
generation
won't be able to do it. I was
just at a seminar, and they were telling
us that we are the last generation that
will only manage just humans
because they will have to manage humans and
AI and robots. Right? I don't know. It's
an interesting times that we're we're we're we're
we're getting ready to go through that. And
I don't think we're all ready for it
all. I don't think we're ready either. I
because
I don't think we have a grasp on
our own humanity
yet. Right. And so here we are struggling
to find our own humanity, and we're gonna
introduce
these nonhuman
things into our everyday life. What What will
that do to us?
Will that just send the depression spirals even
further down? Will will we rise the occasion
and evolve because that's what people do? Or
it's it's a real curious
it's real curious. There's a government organization
called DARPA.
They are the ones who typically make all
the technology we get,
but they've already had it. Like, the Internet's
been around since the sixties or seventies.
Cell phones, all that stuff. But we just
now we're released
to society.
Or it's the military first. Yeah. Oh, oh,
absolutely.
Absolutely. They have, I mean, the best of
everything before we get it. And it's that's
DARPA's whole thing is just focused on creating
technology
that they I mean, it it changes the
world.
And they're they're always twenty years twenty years
in advance. Always.
That's why when I said to you, do
you think that there's already
AI human hybrid, whatever it is, or just
Android or something
that's already passing in society?
And you said probably and I said probably
because, of course, there is. It sounds ludicrous.
We've talked in our lifetime, you're talking about
we've went from
a banking system where there was bank tellers
to
now
there's no bank tellers. You can go self-service
yourself. You can go send money digitally.
Right? We're evolving too fast
even for our own good to where
it's gonna get scary to me in the
next ten years. Like,
I can't even think back. I mean, if
you think about it, ten years ago, there
was no AI. Right?
That we knew of. That we knew of.
Right? That we could publicly go and use.
Prior to that,
there was other technology. I mean, if you
look at even,
I'm gonna use Amazon because I I was
watching Jeff Bezos's
life story on YouTube the other night. I'm
watching this video of him in the nineties
with this big ass sign that says Amazon
plastered his
In his garage. Yeah. Yeah. And now, I
mean, look at you know what I mean?
Look at the evolution that fast. And if
you think about it, we're not talking two
hundred years.
It's it's evolving almost too fast.
Right. It's a snake that eats itself.
Mhmm. Absolutely. Do you think humans are even
necessary? I think we are necessary. I think
we need to slow down.
The children's children, the few generations from now,
will humans and AI
be married? Will
will it be that
an AI,
ironically,
has more humanity than a human?
Damn. That's a good one.
Yeah?
Yeah. Well, I think people are already having
I don't know if it's considered parasocial, if
it's AI, but I think people are already
starting to develop.
That's how lonesome. We're so lonely.
Right.
9,000,000,000
people on the planet and everyone is just
terribly
lonely.
Mhmm.
The companionship, it's it's,
I don't know. I feel like sometimes social
media is the blame too because
That's a big part of it. We're never
happy with what we have. We're always seeking
more. We're never
content. I mean, you think about it. Back
in the day, you didn't you met someone
that was in your local town.
That's all you knew. You know, you didn't
get on social media and start looking at
all these other people. There were no dating
apps. There were there was nothing. It was
just
you you met someone. You might have met
them at the grocery store doing something social,
getting out of the house, and then you
build a relationship from there. Now it's just
I don't like you. Cool. I'll replace you.
I'll go on a nap. Yeah. You said
you didn't do, social media, but you used
to. Was that a hard transition to make?
No.
Living living the life of, at the time,
lavish and partying all the time. I was,
I love to go out. I love good
food. I love to dance.
But what I found is that as I
did come into a little bit of money
at the time, how I was portraying myself
and showing everyone
the things that I was doing was not
necessarily a good thing. And I I would
get I would get the the energy I
could feel was not the most positive.
And a lot of it was my own
doing. It's not anybody else's because I chose
to allow that
side of myself to be seen. And it
just made me focus more on myself, like,
who am I trying to prove myself to?
Why am I showing everything that I do?
I'm not a social media influencer.
You know, I don't have these millions of
views. I I often joke when people ask
me because, you know, we were we were
at the party talking, like, you have Instagram.
And I'm like, no. I have LinkedIn. Right?
But, typically, I just tell people, like, no.
I have Myspace, and you can I made
me laugh so much when you said that
though? I said, oh, are you on Instagram?
You're like, no. I'm on LinkedIn. I was
like, that's the nerdiest. That's the best thing
to say ever. It made me laugh.
It's the truth, though. I mean, I I
don't know. At some point, I will come
back. I I I've been saying it now
for almost five, six years. But But why?
I mean, what's the purpose of it, really?
I mean, I'm on there because I'm trying
to promote, like, the movie or, you know,
if I paint a picture or something like
that. But I don't put a lot of
my own personal stuff on there just because
I have to have something that's mine.
I I completely agree with that. I think
the one thing I do miss
is seeing family and friends
from
back home or people that I haven't talked
to in a while.
It was a good way to keep those
those doors open. You have a company that
you help people
I do. Build their companies. Is that correct?
That's right. So the name of my company
is called Created Within,
and it's on the premise of the idea
that the reality that we live with we
live in today was an idea that was
created within.
So it doesn't matter what your business is
or
what type of models you do. I help
multiple small business owners.
I've helped bigger companies, you name it,
make their ideas come become reality. Right? So
you as yourself could say, hey, Chad. I
wanna do a movie, and I wanna do
x, y, and z technology wise. Can you
help me? And I would go in, do
an assessment of what's going on and how
I can help you. And if I'm not
the right person, I I probably have someone
in my network that can help you and
then just
make it reality. K. And your website for
the
for your business?
Yes. It's created within. So, createdwithin.com.
I saw it when we were at the
party. You were talking to that guy that,
was trying to expand his business.
I think that is the issue, right, that
we're
we get caught in between the, oh, I
don't really wanna promote myself because that feels
gross,
but having to promote
yourself because that's how you grow your business,
and it's tricky. Right? It's how do you
navigate that stuff? That's where you come in,
I suppose, where you say, I can do
it for you. You don't have to feel
gross.
Yeah. I mean, I I I genuinely will
help. It's
I've not done a ton of marketing at
all. It's been a % organic. It's been
a % like, when you and I were
talking, you're like, well, how do you grow
your business? And then this guy literally walks
up. He does,
one of the verticals I do within transportation,
and I'm like, this is exactly what happens
to me. I I can't make this up.
I've had clients that referred me to other
clients,
but my whole core business model is helping.
I'm not here to, you know, take advantage
of anyone. If anything, I'm trying to make
sure that you're not being taken advantage of
in some of the decisions that you're making
in your business. I know there have been
things that I've went through in my entrepreneurship
that I wish I had some help or
at least a network to be able to
talk to.
And so even if I don't, like I
said, if I don't have the answers, I'm
still gonna put you in the right
circle of people that might be able to
know someone who can help. Because sometimes you
just want to know somebody that's been through
it and be able to talk to them
and
not say, okay, this person is just
not in it to just make money off
of me. He's truly trying to help me.
Do you go back to your old neighborhood
or your community and, and, and see
young people
like yourself and, and. I need you to
be better about that back home. I, at
one point in time I was doing a
ton of at risk youth programs. I am
a part of an organization now. I just
joined their board where it's focused on financial
literacy
and and helping the youth back home. So
that is actually established for back home. When
I leave this earth at some point,
I will leave here.
Things will be better.
That's my my my personal goal is to
leave whether it's for my family, whoever right
leave it better than what I had in
some way or shape right. You know, not
not just talking money either like
leave it better
and if you come with that, that's my
mindset. It's just and I mean
I work my ass off to do it
every day. You know, there's days I'm tired
and you you get up. You don't have
to have the motivation. You have to have
the discipline.
Oh, that's good. I like that.
Every day.
So
on your deathbed, would you have your consciousness
transferred into an AI? Absolutely.
Sure will.
If if they can change my body for
consciousness to, like, someone that's, like, six, seven,
I can at least pursue my basketball
side at least for a little while longer
taller to see if I was gonna make
it.
No. I I think You know how bad
your needs would be in, like, ten years.
So Oh my god. You you saved yourself
from that. See, but that's what we're gonna
have the AI. It's gonna create this whole
medical thing to to cure all diseases.
I do look forward to actually,
the the the way that doctors
can
disregard
their patients is it's a real problem. And
so I I think
I mean, it's such a catch 22. Right?
I don't want AI to take over humans'
jobs. I think that's a terrible thing.
But at the same time,
if an AI actually listens to me when
I say, hey. This is something that's going
on with me and doesn't just dismiss me
as being hysterical or doesn't know what I'm
talking about or whatever,
then why wouldn't I want that?
We humans, we just have to do better.
We we have to do better, and we
I think right now, we're in the sweet
spot of AI. We're not in the spot
of AI where it's gonna take our jobs.
We're in the spot where it'll make you
superhuman.
It'll make you if you're the if you're
the graphic designer,
you know the right lingo to use, and
I don't know at all. Right? You it
will make you
this next level
talent
if you use it the right way, because
you know the right things to say. It's
the same thing as a doctor. Right? My
girlfriend actually works in the healthcare industry, and
we're always talking about AI and how it's
impacting the hospitals.
And so
that's something I'm looking forward to. Like, are
you gonna be able to cure cancer? Are
we gonna be able to drug detection? Correct.
Like, there's all these things that I'm like,
alrighty.
There's something here
that Then we get to live longer on
a planet that doesn't give a shit about.
No. Is that catch 22?
Yeah. It is. It's a fascinating topic.
Mhmm.
It really is. Yeah.
I mean, let's be honest.
The the military
is really where all the the AI race,
I feel like it's all about well, it's
probably data mining, but it's all about
military. So I mean, I have a writer's
mind. Right? So I come up with all
sorts of wild and wooly
scenarios.
No. I've thought of the same thing, like,
weapons DNA targeted weapons.
Yes.
So being able to
target someone specifically based off their DNA.
When they said when I read that, the
'23 and me, which I did, '23 and
me, and it was fascinating.
But then I saw that it got hacked,
and now
some somebody somewhere in some place in the
in the world has everyone's genome sequence. And
I thought I thought to myself, let's see.
Now how could I use that as a
biological weapon? I could literally sit,
take this very specific DNA code that's just
for me
and go bleep bleep bleep, you know, create
a virus that's just for my specific DNA
strand or, you know, my genome or my,
you know, because everybody's got their own individual.
Type up this little
thing, make a little icky, send the icky
out into the world. Eventually, it will find
me, and I'll drop dead, and none will
be the wiser. And then I thought, is
that insane?
And then I I don't think it's crazy.
It's not. It's real. I think it's it
can definitely be happening. Like,
it's not a coincidence
that that
that that got hacked. Like, I so random.
I was in a store. They had told
me they're like, this is gonna start happening.
Do not ever do anything as far as
these programs that are coming out. And, like,
why is this guy telling me this? I
think I was in the middle of a
freaking Best Buy,
and
I'll be sure as hell the next, like,
time, like, years and months went by,
'23 and me is a thing. Like, all
these different
genetics, and I'm just like It was from
the future, probably.
Right. I'm like, within Best Buy, of all
places. How would you know, though? If you're
from the future, I'm like, I'll go to
Best Buy. Sorry. You won't believe me.
Chad, thank you so much for being on
the show. I really appreciate it. Absolutely.
Anytime. I appreciate you. This was fun. It
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