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Hey, humans. How's it going? Susan Ruth here.

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Thanks for listening to another episode

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of Hey, Human podcast.

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This is episode 455,

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and my guest is Louisa Kendrick Burton. Louisa

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is a former Radio City Rockette, a writer,

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producer, and actor.

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You've seen her on shows like Dirty Sexy

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Money, As the World Turns,

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Medium. She's been in the movies, like, Seven

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Pounds, Bridge Across Forever.

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And on stage in Beauty and the Beast,

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A Christmas Carol, Jesus Christ Superstar,

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lots and lots of stuff. I met her

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when she came to do a table read

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for a script that John Penny and I

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wrote. She's a friend of John Penny's, and

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now I consider her a friend of me.

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And she's great, and I'm excited for you

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to hear this episode.

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Here we go.

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Louisa Kendrick Burton, welcome to Hey Human.

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Hello,

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Susan.

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It's so nice to be here.

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Lovely to see you. Thank you again for

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being a part of the table read the

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other night. That was awesome. Of course. I

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was so happy

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to to play that part and to be

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a part of that reading and

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loving. Like, when I said I was fan

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girling over your script, I

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was

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full on

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in love with this story that you crafted.

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Thank you. And I just I wish you

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all the best things

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when it comes to getting that made and

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all the things. I can't wait to see

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it in the theater. I can't wait. I

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appreciate it. It's so it was so lovely

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to have all the actors reading because

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it is true that when you read something

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over and over again and as an actor,

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you must because you get a script, you

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read it, but then you start saying it

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out loud,

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and it really changes

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everything. Yes. And so hearing the the language,

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the dialogue, even the action

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in my brain while it was going like,

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okay. That gets to get moved here. I'm

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gonna cut that. You know? So yeah. It

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did as an actor so you're actor, producer,

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writer,

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and former Rockette, which what? So cool. We're

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gonna get into all of it.

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But I just is that true though that

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when you are reading a script and then

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you start saying out loud how it changes

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for you? It does. It really does. It's

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so funny because a lot of times when

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I'm preparing,

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I'll do a couple of read throughs. I'll

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just do speed read throughs one after the

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other, one after the other.

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And then I've got to say the words

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out loud before I say them either in

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an audition or onset that day. I just

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need to

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filter it from my brain's eye

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out

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to,

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you know, my ears, because it always sounds

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different. And I trip up on words that,

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you know,

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I've never tripped up on before, you know,

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but I like to filter it through

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at least once.

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But hearing it out loud is just a

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totally different thing.

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Yeah. It becomes more poetic too, I think.

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It does. It really does. Aaron Sorkin, I

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always bring him up. Hearing

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his his writing, it is like listening to

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a sonnet or some sort of poetry as

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it flows along.

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It really is. Like and and even, like,

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I've never auditioned for one of his shows,

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but I can't even imagine

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what that must be like. Right? Because you're

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right. It's like a sonnet. And because of

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that, it has a pace. And I feel

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like sometimes you either get it or you

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don't. You know? That's someone I would love

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to work for. Yeah. Wouldn't that be fun?

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Although, I I'm sure he's super intense. Alright.

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Let's get into you and your life. Yeah.

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What shaped you into you?

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Oh, wow. So I grew up in The

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Bronx

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in New York. I mean, I don't know.

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I feel like I grew up,

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a latchkey kid. I like to say that

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because I don't think we have those anymore

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really, but I had a lot of family

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around me. I have, I don't know, 40

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cousins. I have so many cousins.

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It's awesome. So I grew up

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with this sense of community. At least I

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felt that way, right? I mean, I had

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family that lived nearby.

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I had friends and we knew

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their parents, we knew their siblings, right? There

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was a sense of not

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on our block, which is not to say

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things weren't happening that were, you know,

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crazy,

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but it was us in our block. Right?

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And so I think growing up that way,

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even though The Bronx was just

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a wild place and a wild time

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in our country's history and New York's history,

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I felt safe.

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I felt safe to be who I was

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to

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grow as a kid, you know. I felt

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okay with being a tomboy and

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getting around on roller skates or skateboards and

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playing Skelsey at the park, you know, I

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felt safe to just be a kid, you

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know. What's Skelsey?

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So it's like this top game. So we

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would,

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you get a top, a bottle top, or

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a cap. Metal is better, but if you

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can only get plastic, you get plastic. And

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you either melt wax in it or you

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put clay in it to give it some

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weight.

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And and it's just like this game that

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was spray painted

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on the ground at the playground, and, you

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know, you'd have to get all the numbers

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and you would flick you would, like, flick

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your top

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to and from, and you can knock somebody

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out.

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I mean, anybody who knows it probably is

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thinking, oh my gosh. She she's not even

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seeing it. Right? But it was just a

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a a a playground game. You know? Like,

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we had hopscotch. We had Scalzi's. We had

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all the things that were even made up.

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You know? We would just make things up

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because that was our

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computer time. Right? We didn't have that really.

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so you're just out all day. You know?

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It's a great way to foster imagination, which,

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as much as I think computers

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do that in a certain way for kids

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today, it's just Yes.

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Not the same. It's not the same. Is

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that because they're old now? No. But, like,

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I look at my kids and how they

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play and,

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yes, their imaginations

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are peaked. Right? At least my kids, they

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like to create and they only play games

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that are creative or mostly creative,

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but I'm like, guys, just go out in

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the backyard and like, I don't know. They're

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like, what are we gonna do? And I'm

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like, anything. You could do anything

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except climb the fence. I don't know. Just

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make something up. And I

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they're having fun. You know, like, my my

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son would always say, mommy,

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I get it that it was different for

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you, but we're enjoying ourselves.

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And I'm like, okay. Well, I guess that's

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all I want is a mom. Right? You're

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you're having a good time. Yeah. We're all

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Sitting next to your friend on a computer

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playing a game together. I don't understand.

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Big cousins, lots of my my dad's from

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The Bronx too, by the way. Oh, yeah.

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Yeah. Did we talk about this? I don't

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know that. I don't think so. No. The

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weird I mean, I don't know. Like, what

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part of The Bronx? And this is a

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bazillion years before you. So but I'm sure

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it was in the Jewish section because he's

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Jewish. So Yeah. And I think back then

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when he was growing up, it was probably

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divided into, like, the Irish parts and the

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Jewish parts and the black parts and the

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is my god. It was definitely a little

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a lot segregated, but I think maybe I

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came up at a time

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when, you know, The Bronx was in huge

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transition before me.

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Huge transition.

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And I wanna say sometime in those early

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sixties, maybe, you know, I found this out

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after the fact, I don't remember this to

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be true, maybe the aftermath, but

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I found out that

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landlords

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were paying people to burn down their buildings

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so that they could

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get insurance

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money,

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So that they could get out

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the brown people or whatever and raise rents

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and stuff like that. And so it was

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just America's full of bad history,

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bombings. So full of bad history. And and

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Burnings and floodings.

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And hiding it. Right. And when I found

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that out, I was just like, wow, so

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much made sense. Right. Because when you think

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of you're paying rent at a place where

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they have no desire to fix it up,

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they don't care how safe it is, how

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clean it is,

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you know, how functional it is. And I

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just never understood that, right?

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And that's

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what it was, you know, we were in

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a weird state of transition

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in New York, gentrification,

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and

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it's so interesting to move to LA. I've

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been here twenty years now,

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which is a lot of years

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and to see it again, it's like, okay,

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like, you know, this is something that I

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don't think I ever realized

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was part of our circle

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of life, right? This

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idea that this is the place to be,

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and then

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it cycles through and there's a change of

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people, a change of government, a change of

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feeling, a change of

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popularity

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that happens.

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And to see that even in LA has

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been extremely interesting,

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because I don't remember it from growing up,

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you know?

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Yeah. History does tend to repeat, unfortunately.

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It does. Yeah. We're slow learners. We humans.

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We're still learners.

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We haven't gotten it. That's the thing

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about

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aging and and learning. It's like, I feel

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like we don't get it. You know? You

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can't

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you can't hide away the past because then

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we never learned from it.

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Arabs. Okay.

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That was it. That was the only thing

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I've been doing. That's so true. It's so

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true.

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Did you

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did you go to school in New York

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for acting? I mean, you started as did

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you start as a rocket? How did that

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happen?

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You know, it's so funny because my mom

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pulled me out of

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public school.

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Because even back then they were horrible. And

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I find them to be struggling even today.

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My mom pulled me out and put me

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in Catholic school. And the school that I

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went to had an orchestra

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and theater.

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And our orchestra was subsidized by Paul Newman.

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And so we had instruments

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and I played first violin

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and that was an exciting time.

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And, we had theater and I feel like

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I had always been

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theatrical.

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I'm an only child. I entertain myself a

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lot,

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alone.

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That started relatively early for me. Like I

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had taken dance and I had taken all

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the things. My mom exposed me to everything

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because she believed that,

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an idle brain, you know?

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And then when I went to college, I

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actually went to college for comp or applied

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as a computer science major.

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And because I was really into coding and

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computers and I was pretty good at it.

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But something about going to Syracuse,

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just, I was like, I, I wanna pursue

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the arts. I wanna, this is something I

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wanna do. So I changed my major second

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year.

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And then like my love of theater and

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movement

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changed at that point. I mean, I still

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wasn't a dancer. I hadn't been dancing all

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my life, like a lot of my friends.

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But when I got out of college,

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I had a teacher

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and I feel really bad that I don't

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remember his name in this moment,

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but he said to me,

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you can't play catch up with people who

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have been dancing

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all their life.

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All you can do is work on your

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skills.

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And he said, you're tall.

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He's like, this package is a dancer's package.

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And so I worked my butt off. I

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mean, I was taking two classes a week.

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I was on scholarship. I was working in

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the front desk. I was bartering

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classes so that I could just

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be good enough to stand next to people

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who had been dancing all their lives.

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And

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I I feel like I know one thing

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was true about what I had to offer.

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If I could keep you looking right here,

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right here,

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you might not notice that my toes aren't

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pointed.

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Yeah. You got a good face card as

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the kids say.

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This is where the money is, but not

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just not just my face, but just my

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love and my passion

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and my ability to

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perform

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instead of just

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making movement. Right?

368
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That served me very well. I could sing.

369
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So that was very helpful.

370
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Radio City was just one of those things

371
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where I didn't think I was ever gonna

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make it. You know, like I auditioned, I

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must have auditioned

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six times for the shows in the other

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areas, the regional shows,

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once for Vegas, I think.

377
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And it was my second time auditioning for

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the New York show.

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And

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I was just over the moon when I

381
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got that, right. It's a part of history.

382
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It's a part of New York. It is

383
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like, it

384
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was like being a rock star, you know,

385
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like performing at Radio City was just the

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ultimate thing.

387
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I was so excited and happy when I

388
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got that job, and it is probably one

389
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of the hardest jobs that I've ever done.

390
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But, yeah, that's how it happened. So I

391
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don't know. I put in my thousand plus

392
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hours, and

393
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I really kinda changed my life. It was

394
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the first time that I actually worked hard

395
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for something,

396
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my life to look like. And that is

397
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non traditional, right? No one in my family

398
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had been performing

399
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for a living, you know?

400
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And so I didn't have a role model

401
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for that.

402
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And I, but I just said, you know

403
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what? I feel the first time I walked

404
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out on a stage and did a skit

405
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in a play and people laughed, I was

406
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like, I think I can do this. I

407
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don't know. That applause is infectious.

408
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It it was my drug. You know? Oh,

409
00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:36,539
yeah. It's intoxicating.

410
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Yeah.

411
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Yeah. Tell me about being a Rockette. What

412
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is that experience like once you're immersed in

413
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it? It's a hard job.

414
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It's harder than you think on your body.

415
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It is

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socially

417
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a very interesting

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job. I did not have the best time

419
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doing it. Were there many black people, as

420
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Raquettes back when you were doing There were

421
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there were two of us on the line

422
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at the time. Out of 40

423
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Out of 36. Yeah. Okay. So you have

424
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your two lines. Yeah. The daytime and the

425
00:16:13,745 --> 00:16:16,144
nighttime. It's a lot of shows. I think

426
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I was, I was the first cast, the

427
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blue cast. So I I think we were

428
00:16:21,024 --> 00:16:24,165
doing, like, 17 or 18 shows a week.

429
00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:27,610
That's a lot. Maybe more before, like, so

430
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much of this is out of my head,

431
00:16:29,210 --> 00:16:30,830
but it's a lot of shows.

432
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And it's three in a row, sometimes four,

433
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five for some girls. Right? Like, the girls

434
00:16:37,049 --> 00:16:38,350
that did all the shows

435
00:16:39,434 --> 00:16:41,674
did a lot of shows, you know, 30

436
00:16:41,674 --> 00:16:44,095
shows. And it's just hard on your body.

437
00:16:44,475 --> 00:16:46,955
I can't even imagine getting enough calorie intake

438
00:16:46,955 --> 00:16:49,274
to put up with that. I mean, you

439
00:16:49,274 --> 00:16:51,115
had to have a system. You know? It

440
00:16:51,115 --> 00:16:55,370
was like breakfast, stretch, dance, sleep, dance,

441
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lunch,

442
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:57,370
stretch,

443
00:16:57,830 --> 00:16:59,289
sleep. Like, it's

444
00:17:00,070 --> 00:17:02,230
all consuming, you know? And at least it

445
00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:03,910
was for me because I wasn't used to

446
00:17:03,910 --> 00:17:06,710
that. So before that, I had done a

447
00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:10,009
Christmas carol at Radio City with Tony Randall.

448
00:17:10,515 --> 00:17:12,755
And, and that was I think we did

449
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12 shows a week. So that's still not

450
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a regular Broadway, you know, eight, eight shows

451
00:17:17,714 --> 00:17:19,714
a week, you know? But at least you

452
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had your days free

453
00:17:21,714 --> 00:17:23,174
and, you know, you did

454
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two shows, mats in a day.

455
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I was not ready for the stamina that

456
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is three or four shows a day. And

457
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because when you're not dancing, you're changing. It

458
00:17:33,829 --> 00:17:35,529
was really hard on my body.

459
00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:38,375
I stayed in bed for two weeks after

460
00:17:38,375 --> 00:17:41,255
that. Like my body was just hurting. I

461
00:17:41,255 --> 00:17:42,075
had lost

462
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seven or eight pounds and I was already

463
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like, I was one hundred and twelve, one

464
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hundred and

465
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fifteen at the time, and I was down

466
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to a hundred and eight. And I was

467
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worried. Everybody was worried, but, you know,

468
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had to keep doing it. I don't know.

469
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There's something about your body. I mean, I

470
00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,880
imagine the headdresses you wore weighed as much

471
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as a hundred

472
00:18:05,154 --> 00:18:08,055
pounds. It's crazy. Those things are huge.

473
00:18:08,755 --> 00:18:09,255
Yeah.

474
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Yeah. I mean, I don't know. You just

475
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your muscles

476
00:18:13,075 --> 00:18:16,355
just support a certain lifestyle. Right? And then,

477
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like I said, when I was done,

478
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I was in bed for

479
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two weeks. I literally don't think I got

480
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out of bed.

481
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I think to eat and, you know, other

482
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things that you need to do. Was there

483
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a sisterhood amongst the women,

484
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or was it more competitive?

485
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Gosh. You know, I don't think I felt

486
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the competitive nature of it. I had a

487
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lot of friends in the show. I had

488
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a lot of people that I knew, but

489
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it definitely

490
00:18:42,375 --> 00:18:45,355
there was definitely, like, an air of sisterhood

491
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for some people.

492
00:18:47,539 --> 00:18:48,919
I don't think that everybody

493
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got that. And I think I was aware

494
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of that. And I'm and not just because

495
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there were only two black girls in my

496
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line. I think there were five or six

497
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in the line, the night line. It was

498
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just really hard. Like, I remember the first

499
00:19:02,179 --> 00:19:04,184
time I don't know, some of these stories

500
00:19:04,184 --> 00:19:06,664
are crazy, but I just remember the first

501
00:19:06,664 --> 00:19:08,204
time that I was aware

502
00:19:08,904 --> 00:19:11,884
that it mattered that my skin was dark,

503
00:19:13,305 --> 00:19:14,045
you know, because

504
00:19:15,569 --> 00:19:18,289
there's few sets of dark legs, you know,

505
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and so

506
00:19:19,490 --> 00:19:22,390
you stand out in a way that maybe

507
00:19:22,849 --> 00:19:25,109
they didn't want you to stand out.

508
00:19:25,649 --> 00:19:27,809
And it is very much a job about

509
00:19:27,809 --> 00:19:28,950
blending in.

510
00:19:29,494 --> 00:19:31,414
And I don't think I was that kind

511
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of performer, you know, like

512
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you're asking me to blend in and be

513
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alike.

514
00:19:37,494 --> 00:19:41,275
And I had before that been shining.

515
00:19:41,734 --> 00:19:42,555
And so

516
00:19:43,170 --> 00:19:43,910
it wasn't

517
00:19:44,529 --> 00:19:46,930
the best thing for me. I mean, I

518
00:19:46,930 --> 00:19:48,850
don't know. My whole idea was, like, if

519
00:19:48,850 --> 00:19:50,610
you don't want my brown legs to stand

520
00:19:50,610 --> 00:19:53,350
out, then hire more brown legs. I don't

521
00:19:53,570 --> 00:19:56,630
know what to say. Yeah. I mean, definitely.

522
00:19:57,295 --> 00:19:59,315
And because it is all it's all synchronicity.

523
00:19:59,535 --> 00:20:00,994
Right? That you're ready. Synchronicity.

524
00:20:01,375 --> 00:20:01,875
Yeah.

525
00:20:02,255 --> 00:20:04,974
Yeah. And it's learning how to that that

526
00:20:04,974 --> 00:20:07,214
kind of precision dancing is also not for

527
00:20:07,214 --> 00:20:09,535
everyone. It is very difficult. It was very

528
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,519
it was a hard job. It's harder than

529
00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:15,159
I think people believe it to be, but

530
00:20:15,159 --> 00:20:17,000
I did enjoy so much of it. I

531
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,220
mean, when you make

532
00:20:18,599 --> 00:20:20,700
every night, like imagine this, right?

533
00:20:21,079 --> 00:20:23,414
You come out of the Christmas tree, The

534
00:20:23,414 --> 00:20:25,414
curtain is coming up. The tree is growing.

535
00:20:25,414 --> 00:20:26,154
You come

536
00:20:26,455 --> 00:20:28,715
out, and kids are screaming.

537
00:20:29,174 --> 00:20:31,595
Like, you literally are rock stars.

538
00:20:32,455 --> 00:20:35,115
It is the best thing. You know?

539
00:20:36,670 --> 00:20:38,750
It is the best feeling. Like, you could

540
00:20:38,750 --> 00:20:41,570
be sick or tired or angry.

541
00:20:42,990 --> 00:20:44,910
You come out of that tree and everything

542
00:20:44,910 --> 00:20:47,089
is so beautiful and right with the world.

543
00:20:47,150 --> 00:20:49,150
And you're getting to do what you love

544
00:20:49,150 --> 00:20:51,710
in a city where not everybody gets to

545
00:20:51,710 --> 00:20:52,984
do it. Like, and

546
00:20:53,525 --> 00:20:54,984
so I think I appreciated

547
00:20:55,285 --> 00:20:56,345
so much of that

548
00:20:56,805 --> 00:20:58,724
about it. Right. You know, I got to

549
00:20:58,724 --> 00:21:00,884
do, they do an animal load in and

550
00:21:00,884 --> 00:21:03,204
they bring the animals, they march them down

551
00:21:03,204 --> 00:21:04,825
Fifth Avenue and they come into

552
00:21:05,204 --> 00:21:07,109
the music hall and I got to do

553
00:21:07,109 --> 00:21:09,109
that. And I got paired with a donkey

554
00:21:09,109 --> 00:21:10,009
and I was like,

555
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:13,430
this blows, but I'm gonna walk this donkey

556
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:14,329
down the street.

557
00:21:14,869 --> 00:21:16,549
And it I don't know if it liked

558
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:20,150
my lotion, I my perfume, my hair product.

559
00:21:20,150 --> 00:21:21,430
I don't know what it was, but it

560
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:23,414
kept trying to lick me. It was just

561
00:21:23,414 --> 00:21:24,234
kinda like

562
00:21:24,694 --> 00:21:27,335
reaching over and trying to lick me, which

563
00:21:27,335 --> 00:21:29,335
was just I mean, I mean, it was

564
00:21:29,335 --> 00:21:31,815
weird and crazy, but it was tickly and

565
00:21:31,894 --> 00:21:34,054
People pay big money to see that. Yeah.

566
00:21:34,054 --> 00:21:36,339
Well, guess what? It made it into the

567
00:21:36,339 --> 00:21:39,400
daily newspaper. And I was just like, awesome.

568
00:21:39,779 --> 00:21:40,919
I made a paper

569
00:21:41,619 --> 00:21:43,700
and it's a donkey licking me and it's

570
00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:45,859
the cutest smile, I guess. But, like, I

571
00:21:45,859 --> 00:21:48,954
was like, that's great. I I yeah. There

572
00:21:48,954 --> 00:21:49,355
you go.

573
00:21:50,794 --> 00:21:52,414
But that kind of joy

574
00:21:53,115 --> 00:21:54,174
that kind of joy

575
00:21:55,034 --> 00:21:56,714
is what I held on to the whole

576
00:21:56,714 --> 00:21:59,434
time when I was performing, like, through the

577
00:21:59,434 --> 00:21:59,934
exhaustion

578
00:22:00,619 --> 00:22:02,700
and the pain and the politics and all

579
00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:05,180
of the things, that joy, Christmas is my

580
00:22:05,180 --> 00:22:06,080
favorite time

581
00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:09,920
of year, and Christmas in New York is

582
00:22:11,180 --> 00:22:13,580
magical. And I think back then I was

583
00:22:13,580 --> 00:22:16,134
really good at holding on to, I get

584
00:22:16,134 --> 00:22:16,714
to do

585
00:22:17,335 --> 00:22:18,954
this. Like, this is my job.

586
00:22:20,054 --> 00:22:21,494
This is what I get to do. I

587
00:22:21,494 --> 00:22:23,095
get to bring joy to people, and I

588
00:22:23,095 --> 00:22:24,875
get to feel that joy for myself.

589
00:22:25,575 --> 00:22:28,134
I did Radio City one year, and that's

590
00:22:28,134 --> 00:22:29,275
mostly because,

591
00:22:29,654 --> 00:22:33,000
again, I I like singing. I like playing

592
00:22:33,059 --> 00:22:35,400
roles. I like acting. I like

593
00:22:35,940 --> 00:22:38,359
word, the written word. I like to perform

594
00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:39,880
those things, and

595
00:22:41,380 --> 00:22:43,700
I'm glad that I did it. I'm I'm

596
00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:45,795
I'm so happy, and and I still have

597
00:22:45,875 --> 00:22:47,475
friends. And as a matter of fact, just

598
00:22:47,475 --> 00:22:49,475
in LA, I met another woman who had

599
00:22:49,475 --> 00:22:51,654
been on the line, we missed each other.

600
00:22:52,275 --> 00:22:54,134
And, and that was fascinating

601
00:22:54,755 --> 00:22:55,494
to me.

602
00:22:55,795 --> 00:22:56,295
And,

603
00:22:56,674 --> 00:22:58,055
but it wasn't really

604
00:22:58,595 --> 00:23:01,150
all I wanted to do. It was a

605
00:23:01,150 --> 00:23:02,990
thing that I got to do and I

606
00:23:02,990 --> 00:23:03,970
enjoyed it,

607
00:23:04,990 --> 00:23:06,990
but it wasn't something that I thought I

608
00:23:06,990 --> 00:23:08,910
would like to make this my long term

609
00:23:08,910 --> 00:23:10,990
forever gig. I think that's one of the

610
00:23:10,990 --> 00:23:11,809
things about,

611
00:23:12,605 --> 00:23:14,865
I was searching still for something,

612
00:23:15,484 --> 00:23:17,484
and having gone through that and done that,

613
00:23:17,484 --> 00:23:19,484
I wanted more. I wanted more than that,

614
00:23:19,484 --> 00:23:21,244
you know? When did you make the decision

615
00:23:21,244 --> 00:23:22,384
to move to Los Angeles?

616
00:23:22,765 --> 00:23:24,785
I had screen tested for

617
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,140
a, a soap opera

618
00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:31,000
and I had never screen tested before. It

619
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,359
was just like, you know, you have all

620
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,279
these auditions and audition, you keep going in

621
00:23:34,279 --> 00:23:36,039
and it's like, oh my God, how many

622
00:23:36,039 --> 00:23:37,799
times am I gonna have to do this

623
00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:38,299
scene?

624
00:23:39,214 --> 00:23:41,214
And I got to screen test and it

625
00:23:41,214 --> 00:23:43,214
was me and another person and I didn't

626
00:23:43,214 --> 00:23:43,875
get it.

627
00:23:44,654 --> 00:23:47,295
But my my agent said to me, she's

628
00:23:47,295 --> 00:23:49,075
like, you know, you might wanna

629
00:23:49,455 --> 00:23:53,075
explore this. I'm moving to LA and

630
00:23:53,419 --> 00:23:55,179
you could be in LA and have an

631
00:23:55,179 --> 00:23:56,960
agent, you know, think about

632
00:23:57,579 --> 00:23:59,519
what that would be like. And

633
00:24:00,460 --> 00:24:02,619
I had turned it down once before, because

634
00:24:02,619 --> 00:24:04,299
I had friends while I was on tour

635
00:24:04,299 --> 00:24:05,679
with Jesus Christ Superstar

636
00:24:06,034 --> 00:24:07,794
who were in LA and they were going

637
00:24:07,794 --> 00:24:09,075
to LA and they were like, you should

638
00:24:09,075 --> 00:24:11,255
come. And I was like, no, I'm scared.

639
00:24:11,315 --> 00:24:13,394
And I'm gonna just go back home and

640
00:24:13,394 --> 00:24:14,375
be in New York.

641
00:24:14,755 --> 00:24:16,434
This time I thought, oh, wow, this is

642
00:24:16,434 --> 00:24:18,774
the second time this kind of opportunity

643
00:24:19,154 --> 00:24:22,609
has presented itself. And so I did it.

644
00:24:22,609 --> 00:24:23,109
I

645
00:24:23,730 --> 00:24:26,049
sold my apartment in New York and I

646
00:24:26,049 --> 00:24:26,549
moved

647
00:24:26,929 --> 00:24:29,349
to Los Angeles, like, just

648
00:24:30,769 --> 00:24:32,929
grab my bags and a plant that I'd

649
00:24:32,929 --> 00:24:34,150
gotten from my mom,

650
00:24:35,825 --> 00:24:37,045
moved to LA.

651
00:24:38,384 --> 00:24:40,865
Was it a major culture shock, East Coast

652
00:24:40,865 --> 00:24:41,765
to West Coast?

653
00:24:42,545 --> 00:24:44,705
It was, but it it wasn't that way

654
00:24:44,705 --> 00:24:46,225
that the year I moved, I moved in

655
00:24:46,225 --> 00:24:47,045
like January.

656
00:24:47,345 --> 00:24:49,045
And the year that I moved

657
00:24:49,589 --> 00:24:50,410
was probably

658
00:24:51,829 --> 00:24:54,470
one of, or at least the, I went

659
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:55,289
to LA

660
00:24:55,589 --> 00:24:57,109
to see it and visit it, but it

661
00:24:57,109 --> 00:24:58,730
was one of the most brutal,

662
00:24:59,190 --> 00:25:01,724
brutal winters. I was working at a bar

663
00:25:02,285 --> 00:25:04,125
and I had to put on my boots

664
00:25:04,125 --> 00:25:05,424
and my long johns

665
00:25:05,804 --> 00:25:08,044
under my dress and then a sweater and

666
00:25:08,044 --> 00:25:09,724
a hat and the gloves and all the

667
00:25:09,724 --> 00:25:11,964
things. And then I get to work and

668
00:25:11,964 --> 00:25:14,285
I'd have to de robe down to this

669
00:25:14,285 --> 00:25:16,444
little outfit that I had to wear even

670
00:25:16,444 --> 00:25:18,299
in the winter. And I just

671
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,359
thought, you know, I think I'm tired of

672
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:21,019
the snow.

673
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,640
I think I'm I think I'm done. The

674
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,740
first thing that happened when I got here

675
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,500
was like 75 degrees.

676
00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:30,119
And, I had a friend that lived there

677
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:31,240
and he was like, hey, you wanna play

678
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,794
tennis? And I was like, yes, tennis in

679
00:25:33,794 --> 00:25:35,894
the winter? I love outside.

680
00:25:37,234 --> 00:25:39,875
I think when I finally did move, I

681
00:25:39,875 --> 00:25:41,954
was here for maybe a month and I

682
00:25:41,954 --> 00:25:43,255
changed my phone number

683
00:25:43,875 --> 00:25:46,755
and my driver's license. And I was like,

684
00:25:46,755 --> 00:25:48,054
yeah, I'm here.

685
00:25:48,779 --> 00:25:50,859
And this is where I'm gonna be for

686
00:25:50,859 --> 00:25:51,440
a while.

687
00:25:52,299 --> 00:25:55,019
The the weather got me, you know, the

688
00:25:55,019 --> 00:25:57,259
driving was hard because I had never had

689
00:25:57,259 --> 00:25:58,619
a car. So I had to get a

690
00:25:58,619 --> 00:25:59,359
car and

691
00:26:00,299 --> 00:26:02,400
my driving was, you know,

692
00:26:02,994 --> 00:26:06,274
my driving skills weren't tested or honed in

693
00:26:06,274 --> 00:26:07,015
any way.

694
00:26:09,474 --> 00:26:11,714
Yeah. New Yorkers are lucky like that. But,

695
00:26:11,714 --> 00:26:13,794
yeah, you have the winters from hell, but

696
00:26:13,794 --> 00:26:15,806
not as bad as Chicago. That's No. Not

697
00:26:15,806 --> 00:26:15,897
as bad as Chicago. I spent some time

698
00:26:15,897 --> 00:26:16,680
in Chicago. Yeah. And that is

699
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:19,559
Yeah.

700
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,420
And that is just brutal.

701
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,119
That's a brutal winner. Like, that for me,

702
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,039
it was like, yeah. I'm definitely not moving

703
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:26,779
to Chicago.

704
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:27,740
Yeah.

705
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,835
If the weather was better, I might be

706
00:26:29,835 --> 00:26:31,835
living in Chicago because I love it. It's

707
00:26:31,835 --> 00:26:33,855
such a great city. The people are incredible,

708
00:26:34,474 --> 00:26:34,974
but

709
00:26:35,434 --> 00:26:37,674
I can't do that winner. It's only the

710
00:26:37,674 --> 00:26:38,734
last nine months.

711
00:26:39,035 --> 00:26:41,355
Mm-mm. I don't know how anyone did it.

712
00:26:41,355 --> 00:26:43,434
Does it? I don't know. And I've been

713
00:26:43,434 --> 00:26:43,934
there

714
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,259
three times

715
00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:48,359
with shows. And more often than not, if

716
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,340
I did a show,

717
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,200
it was an early tour, so we would

718
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,859
spend a month, six weeks. You're like practically

719
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,380
living there. Yeah.

720
00:26:56,684 --> 00:26:58,444
And we were in Chicago, and I was

721
00:26:58,444 --> 00:27:00,924
just, like, I hope we never come back.

722
00:27:00,924 --> 00:27:02,544
As much as I love the city,

723
00:27:03,244 --> 00:27:04,845
there's so much to see and so many

724
00:27:04,845 --> 00:27:08,524
things to do. I loved living there. Yeah.

725
00:27:08,524 --> 00:27:10,380
I was ready to go. Yeah.

726
00:27:10,919 --> 00:27:12,759
It's a different kind of cold that Lake

727
00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:15,099
Shore, man. It's it's gets under your wind.

728
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,419
Oh my gosh.

729
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,960
Yeah. It's a lot. It's in New York.

730
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,039
At least you sort of popping in and

731
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:24,174
out of buildings nonstop or I don't know,

732
00:27:24,174 --> 00:27:25,535
it's just different. It's a different And the

733
00:27:25,535 --> 00:27:27,934
subway is underground most of it. Right. So

734
00:27:27,934 --> 00:27:30,275
you're just going from building to building.

735
00:27:31,615 --> 00:27:34,414
Yes. And if you're smarter about it, you

736
00:27:34,414 --> 00:27:36,414
know how to go from building to building

737
00:27:36,414 --> 00:27:38,970
without having to go outside. Some, there are

738
00:27:38,970 --> 00:27:40,569
some ways that you can do it or

739
00:27:40,569 --> 00:27:43,529
to cut down your foot traffic by an

740
00:27:43,529 --> 00:27:46,170
alternate exit to the subway. You know, you

741
00:27:46,170 --> 00:27:47,930
could get a good three blocks if you

742
00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:48,670
did that.

743
00:27:49,049 --> 00:27:50,269
I feel like the ultimate,

744
00:27:50,890 --> 00:27:51,390
if

745
00:27:52,054 --> 00:27:53,335
that sort of thing, if you won the

746
00:27:53,335 --> 00:27:55,335
lottery, there'd be signs. It would be an

747
00:27:55,335 --> 00:27:57,994
apartment in New York, an apartment in Chicago,

748
00:27:58,214 --> 00:28:00,934
an apartment in LA, an apartment in London,

749
00:28:00,934 --> 00:28:03,174
and then a house. Oh, a house in

750
00:28:03,174 --> 00:28:04,954
Hawaii. Or something. Yeah.

751
00:28:05,255 --> 00:28:06,634
Somewhere that's just constant

752
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:09,900
weather. Yeah. Yeah. Good weather. Yeah. Exactly.

753
00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:12,759
I saw on your IMDB page that you're

754
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,640
in a movie that I loved, seven pounds.

755
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,380
I love the philosophical nature of that film.

756
00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:19,099
Yeah.

757
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,220
When you

758
00:28:20,825 --> 00:28:22,365
are drawn to roles,

759
00:28:22,744 --> 00:28:25,625
do you I look. I understand actors are

760
00:28:25,625 --> 00:28:28,184
like, I just wanna roll, but I imagine

761
00:28:28,184 --> 00:28:30,285
there is a process of when you're reading

762
00:28:30,585 --> 00:28:32,924
the scripts or the ideas of the shows,

763
00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:36,210
some are more of a draw than others.

764
00:28:36,349 --> 00:28:38,109
And just because I love that movie so

765
00:28:38,109 --> 00:28:40,690
much, I'm curious when you read that script,

766
00:28:41,150 --> 00:28:43,170
the what you what drew you in?

767
00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:46,029
Right. You know, quite honestly, here's the thing.

768
00:28:46,029 --> 00:28:47,974
That was one of my favorite roles and

769
00:28:47,974 --> 00:28:49,755
one of my best experiences

770
00:28:50,134 --> 00:28:51,434
in my career. And

771
00:28:51,815 --> 00:28:53,035
I feel like there's

772
00:28:53,335 --> 00:28:56,154
little coming back from that. So I'll explain.

773
00:28:56,775 --> 00:28:59,654
When I originally auditioned for this role, for

774
00:28:59,654 --> 00:29:00,795
this, movie,

775
00:29:01,174 --> 00:29:03,275
I was a clerk. It was some,

776
00:29:03,730 --> 00:29:04,789
some other scene

777
00:29:05,409 --> 00:29:07,990
and, and it was fun. Like I look,

778
00:29:08,130 --> 00:29:11,109
I look for roles that I immediately understand

779
00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:14,049
what this person is doing, my purpose in

780
00:29:14,049 --> 00:29:14,549
this

781
00:29:14,929 --> 00:29:16,470
movie or in this scene.

782
00:29:17,215 --> 00:29:19,775
When that is really clicks for me, I

783
00:29:19,775 --> 00:29:20,674
can have fun.

784
00:29:21,055 --> 00:29:22,275
And I had fun.

785
00:29:22,735 --> 00:29:25,295
And then I got this heart crushing call

786
00:29:25,295 --> 00:29:28,275
that that scene had gotten I was cast

787
00:29:28,894 --> 00:29:31,215
and the scene had gotten written out of

788
00:29:31,215 --> 00:29:31,875
the movie.

789
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:35,029
And and I was like, oh, man. I'm

790
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:38,150
so devastated. Right? Then a couple like, a

791
00:29:38,150 --> 00:29:40,309
week later, maybe, there was another role that

792
00:29:40,309 --> 00:29:42,410
they were calling me in for because

793
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:44,570
casting liked me and the director

794
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:47,289
liked me, and I was just, oh,

795
00:29:48,194 --> 00:29:51,474
so excited. So my agent was kind of

796
00:29:51,474 --> 00:29:53,815
being strange about it, and she said

797
00:29:55,154 --> 00:29:56,214
she's like, so

798
00:29:56,994 --> 00:29:58,835
the role you play tennis. And I'm like,

799
00:29:58,835 --> 00:30:00,369
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I could play

800
00:30:00,369 --> 00:30:02,289
tennis for a short scene. I could at

801
00:30:02,289 --> 00:30:04,369
least make it look good. You know? And

802
00:30:04,369 --> 00:30:06,069
she said, so the description

803
00:30:06,849 --> 00:30:09,269
is Caucasian blonde trophy wife.

804
00:30:10,369 --> 00:30:13,285
And how That's perfect for you. So perfect

805
00:30:13,285 --> 00:30:14,025
for me.

806
00:30:14,325 --> 00:30:15,144
My God.

807
00:30:18,164 --> 00:30:20,585
So I get into the audition and,

808
00:30:21,045 --> 00:30:22,965
and they're like, thank you for coming back.

809
00:30:22,965 --> 00:30:25,205
We really appreciate it. And I said, I

810
00:30:25,205 --> 00:30:27,045
can't even believe this came out my mouth.

811
00:30:27,045 --> 00:30:29,789
I said, oh, no. I can play Caucasian

812
00:30:29,929 --> 00:30:30,429
blonde.

813
00:30:31,049 --> 00:30:32,429
And I feel like,

814
00:30:32,730 --> 00:30:35,230
you know, like, there are those opportunities

815
00:30:35,609 --> 00:30:36,109
where,

816
00:30:36,569 --> 00:30:38,649
you know, the sass comes out and it's

817
00:30:38,649 --> 00:30:39,149
appropriate

818
00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:41,904
at the time, And you're already in with

819
00:30:41,904 --> 00:30:43,424
a group of people who actually like you,

820
00:30:43,424 --> 00:30:45,904
right? They're calling you back in. They changed

821
00:30:45,904 --> 00:30:47,744
it to golf. They were changing it to

822
00:30:47,744 --> 00:30:48,884
golf. And I was like,

823
00:30:49,264 --> 00:30:51,904
look, I'm good. You know, I just want

824
00:30:51,904 --> 00:30:53,259
to be in this

825
00:30:53,639 --> 00:30:56,119
scene. And I was great. Like the audition

826
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:56,779
was great,

827
00:30:57,079 --> 00:30:59,639
but the day was the best day. It

828
00:30:59,639 --> 00:31:01,899
was the best day because it was me

829
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:05,159
and Will Smith and Barry Pepper on a

830
00:31:05,159 --> 00:31:05,980
golf course.

831
00:31:06,944 --> 00:31:10,464
That's it. Like Video Village was like way

832
00:31:10,464 --> 00:31:11,845
across the other side.

833
00:31:12,784 --> 00:31:15,904
And it was just, this was like one

834
00:31:15,904 --> 00:31:18,384
of the few moments that as a guest

835
00:31:18,384 --> 00:31:20,964
or co star, a small supporting role,

836
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:23,619
I felt part of the team,

837
00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:26,960
and I had never felt that. Like, there

838
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,720
were other roles that I play, you know,

839
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,640
I have my one line or my five

840
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,880
lines, and I come in and everybody's like,

841
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,039
okay, whatever, she's just here for the hour

842
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:35,940
or the day.

843
00:31:36,304 --> 00:31:36,804
I

844
00:31:37,184 --> 00:31:39,204
felt like I was part of a team

845
00:31:39,424 --> 00:31:41,365
and that we were making this film.

846
00:31:41,904 --> 00:31:43,924
Barry Pepper was such an amazing

847
00:31:44,224 --> 00:31:47,744
person to work with. We had conversations that

848
00:31:47,744 --> 00:31:50,065
I don't, nothing stands out to me. I

849
00:31:50,065 --> 00:31:50,565
just

850
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:53,150
geeked out with just

851
00:31:54,169 --> 00:31:54,669
being

852
00:31:55,289 --> 00:31:57,150
a person, a human

853
00:31:57,609 --> 00:31:59,390
like being, and that we were

854
00:31:59,769 --> 00:32:02,650
finding ways to connect and spend our time,

855
00:32:02,650 --> 00:32:04,730
as opposed to me sitting there next to

856
00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:05,710
somebody who's

857
00:32:06,434 --> 00:32:07,894
not the least bit interested

858
00:32:08,755 --> 00:32:11,075
in being there with me because I'm not

859
00:32:11,075 --> 00:32:13,315
a star, you know, and it was, it

860
00:32:13,315 --> 00:32:14,835
was the best. And I got to hug

861
00:32:14,835 --> 00:32:16,934
Will Smith, like, I don't know, 20 times.

862
00:32:17,474 --> 00:32:19,234
Love it. That's so great. That was a,

863
00:32:19,234 --> 00:32:20,759
it was a really fun movie. I love

864
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:23,000
that. I love that movie. I really I

865
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,920
I remember at the end, and I was

866
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,680
just sobbing. I was like, wow. There was

867
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:27,579
just so many

868
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,700
layers to it in my for me

869
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,119
Yeah. Watching. Yeah. It's a beautiful movie. And,

870
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:36,035
you know, so so back then, it's so

871
00:32:36,035 --> 00:32:37,634
funny because I think that was around the

872
00:32:37,634 --> 00:32:39,255
time of that first writer

873
00:32:39,714 --> 00:32:40,855
strike. Though

874
00:32:41,154 --> 00:32:43,015
I didn't I never got the script

875
00:32:43,875 --> 00:32:44,375
until

876
00:32:44,835 --> 00:32:47,329
I got cast as that one role. And

877
00:32:47,329 --> 00:32:49,009
then I I did get to read the

878
00:32:49,009 --> 00:32:51,170
script, and and I just I think I

879
00:32:51,170 --> 00:32:51,670
sobbed,

880
00:32:52,049 --> 00:32:54,130
you know, after reading it, and I was

881
00:32:54,130 --> 00:32:56,289
just so happy to be a part of

882
00:32:56,289 --> 00:32:57,109
this thing.

883
00:32:57,650 --> 00:32:59,410
And I'm not I'm not gonna give a

884
00:32:59,410 --> 00:33:01,529
spoiler because if anybody hasn't seen it already

885
00:33:01,650 --> 00:33:03,176
Oh, you definitely you need to see it

886
00:33:03,176 --> 00:33:04,825
if you haven't seen it. Stop now, see

887
00:33:04,825 --> 00:33:07,484
it, and then come back to this podcast.

888
00:33:07,545 --> 00:33:09,964
But there's a part where my character

889
00:33:10,505 --> 00:33:13,565
is from his life, his old life.

890
00:33:13,865 --> 00:33:15,565
Right? And he's coming back.

891
00:33:16,059 --> 00:33:17,900
It is just really so great to be

892
00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:19,119
a part of the intricacy

893
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:23,099
of that story, you know, the layers that

894
00:33:23,099 --> 00:33:24,940
it had, like you were saying, that was

895
00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:26,940
just, that was one of my best on

896
00:33:26,940 --> 00:33:30,299
set times. And then that's top down, like

897
00:33:30,299 --> 00:33:31,599
just everything about

898
00:33:32,434 --> 00:33:35,015
that production and and how it was run

899
00:33:35,875 --> 00:33:37,555
all the way up to the top to

900
00:33:37,555 --> 00:33:39,954
the bottom. You know? Like, the props guy

901
00:33:39,954 --> 00:33:41,394
took me out on the golf course, and

902
00:33:41,394 --> 00:33:43,075
he's like, I'm just gonna teach you how

903
00:33:43,075 --> 00:33:43,734
to swing.

904
00:33:44,419 --> 00:33:46,359
So that it at least looks good.

905
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:49,079
Ask me shooting from the, I love that.

906
00:33:50,019 --> 00:33:51,720
But for me it's like choreography.

907
00:33:52,019 --> 00:33:53,859
Right. And like, you know, he was like,

908
00:33:53,859 --> 00:33:56,259
you sure you've never played golf before. And,

909
00:33:56,259 --> 00:33:58,019
and I was like, I haven't, but I'm

910
00:33:58,019 --> 00:34:00,365
a dancer. And so what you're saying to

911
00:34:00,365 --> 00:34:02,684
me is my hips proceed the swing and

912
00:34:02,684 --> 00:34:04,924
then I twist and I hold, like, I

913
00:34:04,924 --> 00:34:05,424
understand

914
00:34:05,964 --> 00:34:06,944
all the mechanics

915
00:34:07,484 --> 00:34:09,965
of this. And actually I now I play

916
00:34:09,965 --> 00:34:12,300
golf. It was just a very well

917
00:34:12,619 --> 00:34:13,199
run, very

918
00:34:14,059 --> 00:34:15,119
warm, inviting

919
00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:18,460
place to be for me, and I've been

920
00:34:18,460 --> 00:34:19,920
chasing that ever since.

921
00:34:20,619 --> 00:34:23,420
And not really it's not realizing that it

922
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:25,440
that was a little bit of a unicorn,

923
00:34:25,755 --> 00:34:26,494
Right? Because

924
00:34:26,795 --> 00:34:28,734
at the level that I am,

925
00:34:29,034 --> 00:34:29,534
was,

926
00:34:29,994 --> 00:34:30,494
am,

927
00:34:31,835 --> 00:34:34,074
you don't always get that. You know? Yeah.

928
00:34:34,074 --> 00:34:37,554
I've not started anything big. I have Yet.

929
00:34:38,635 --> 00:34:41,809
Yet. I've not started anything big yet. I

930
00:34:41,809 --> 00:34:44,449
love that growth mindset. I love it. But

931
00:34:44,449 --> 00:34:46,050
like when you like I said, when you're

932
00:34:46,050 --> 00:34:47,969
just a guest or a day player, you

933
00:34:47,969 --> 00:34:49,110
have your line,

934
00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:52,150
you're just coming in and out and relationships

935
00:34:52,369 --> 00:34:54,869
are built and not every time

936
00:34:55,375 --> 00:34:57,635
are you able to fit in.

937
00:34:58,175 --> 00:35:00,255
And it and it's it feels like you've

938
00:35:00,255 --> 00:35:02,655
got all this energy and excitement about this

939
00:35:02,655 --> 00:35:03,155
day,

940
00:35:04,015 --> 00:35:05,954
and then it's over and,

941
00:35:06,255 --> 00:35:08,815
you know, that it all dissipates. Like, kind

942
00:35:08,815 --> 00:35:10,195
of coming into a

943
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:12,599
school as a senior where all the kids

944
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:14,300
have grown up to each with each other.

945
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:17,800
Yeah. That's exactly it. That's exactly it. And

946
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,559
then when it's over, it's like you dropped

947
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:21,159
your ice cream cone on the ground and

948
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:21,900
you're like,

949
00:35:22,614 --> 00:35:25,255
I really wanted that ice cream. Yeah. You

950
00:35:25,255 --> 00:35:26,215
know, it's it

951
00:35:27,015 --> 00:35:28,394
the life of an actor

952
00:35:28,775 --> 00:35:31,575
in LA, especially, I think because I feel

953
00:35:31,575 --> 00:35:35,114
like LA, there is so much more gain

954
00:35:35,255 --> 00:35:36,989
to it than it is in New York.

955
00:35:36,989 --> 00:35:38,429
You know? I I feel like New York

956
00:35:38,429 --> 00:35:40,210
is very craft oriented.

957
00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:43,489
You know? You're you're studying the craft, and

958
00:35:44,590 --> 00:35:46,829
you have friends, and you're moving about and

959
00:35:46,829 --> 00:35:48,974
helping each other. And, like, hey. I hear

960
00:35:48,974 --> 00:35:51,054
they're looking for, you know, they're looking for

961
00:35:51,054 --> 00:35:53,234
your type for this A Caucasian

962
00:35:54,014 --> 00:35:54,514
housewife.

963
00:35:55,295 --> 00:35:58,174
Yeah. I live for Caucasian blonde. Trophy trophy

964
00:35:58,174 --> 00:36:00,914
wife. You should go over there.

965
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:04,159
I feel like it's much more of a,

966
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,639
what's for me is for me, what's for

967
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:07,780
you is for you,

968
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:11,599
kind of sister brotherhood of actors. We are

969
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:13,839
all actors. And I don't know if I've

970
00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:16,085
really felt that in LA. Like, I feel

971
00:36:16,085 --> 00:36:18,484
like LA is very much like, don't tell

972
00:36:18,484 --> 00:36:20,644
anybody where you're going because they might get

973
00:36:20,644 --> 00:36:22,804
the part or whatever. I'm in the writer's

974
00:36:22,804 --> 00:36:24,565
side of all that. So for me,

975
00:36:25,364 --> 00:36:27,125
the it feels the opposite. It feels like

976
00:36:27,125 --> 00:36:27,625
everyone's

977
00:36:27,989 --> 00:36:30,469
really hoping that everybody gets something so that,

978
00:36:30,469 --> 00:36:32,630
you know, we can all Yeah. Lift each

979
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:33,610
other up, and

980
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:36,230
we survive a little bit on grants and

981
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:38,070
things. And so my friends and I are

982
00:36:38,070 --> 00:36:40,250
always sharing grants. Right? Yes.

983
00:36:41,974 --> 00:36:44,695
Somebody's gotta win it. Somebody else has gotta

984
00:36:44,695 --> 00:36:46,614
get it. Somebody's gotta get it. Whoever gets

985
00:36:46,614 --> 00:36:47,594
it buys dinner.

986
00:36:48,934 --> 00:36:51,515
That is the duty of making that transition.

987
00:36:51,735 --> 00:36:53,655
I feel like I've been in transition my

988
00:36:53,655 --> 00:36:55,199
whole life. I haven't really

989
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:56,659
found the thing

990
00:36:57,359 --> 00:36:59,380
that sparks forever joy.

991
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,159
Like I find the joy in the parts

992
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:03,300
that I have done.

993
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:06,639
And when I started writing, that was just

994
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:08,260
like another avenue,

995
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:09,859
right, of storytelling,

996
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:10,739
another

997
00:37:12,135 --> 00:37:14,934
joy, you know, to to be able to

998
00:37:14,934 --> 00:37:16,775
take ideas from your head and put those

999
00:37:16,775 --> 00:37:18,954
on paper has been very exciting.

1000
00:37:19,574 --> 00:37:21,815
I read as I was looking you up

1001
00:37:21,815 --> 00:37:24,054
and digging in a little bit. I read

1002
00:37:24,054 --> 00:37:26,190
something that you had said, and now I

1003
00:37:26,190 --> 00:37:28,109
can't remember if it was a interview or

1004
00:37:28,109 --> 00:37:29,730
if it was offhanded. But

1005
00:37:30,269 --> 00:37:31,949
when I read it, I thought, yes. This

1006
00:37:31,949 --> 00:37:33,949
is exactly how I feel. And you said

1007
00:37:33,949 --> 00:37:34,769
something about

1008
00:37:35,389 --> 00:37:37,710
the a life where you just do one

1009
00:37:37,710 --> 00:37:40,304
thing isn't much of, and I'm paraphrasing, isn't

1010
00:37:40,304 --> 00:37:42,324
much of a life that you

1011
00:37:42,784 --> 00:37:45,505
are drawn to doing many, many things, the

1012
00:37:45,505 --> 00:37:48,144
mosaic of life and Yeah. Digging into all

1013
00:37:48,144 --> 00:37:50,224
sorts. And I thought, yes. It's so

1014
00:37:50,864 --> 00:37:53,010
that is such a fulfilling not to diss

1015
00:37:53,010 --> 00:37:55,050
anybody that isn't doing that, but it's such

1016
00:37:55,050 --> 00:37:55,750
a fulfilling

1017
00:37:56,530 --> 00:37:58,550
thing to just be in continual

1018
00:37:59,570 --> 00:38:00,070
discovery.

1019
00:38:00,930 --> 00:38:01,430
Yeah.

1020
00:38:01,809 --> 00:38:04,070
I I love that about me.

1021
00:38:04,769 --> 00:38:05,269
Yeah.

1022
00:38:05,574 --> 00:38:06,295
You know?

1023
00:38:06,695 --> 00:38:08,155
I used to be apologetic

1024
00:38:08,454 --> 00:38:10,775
about it. Right? Like, why can't you just

1025
00:38:10,775 --> 00:38:13,114
pick a thing and stay with that forever?

1026
00:38:14,135 --> 00:38:17,015
But I wouldn't train my experience for anything

1027
00:38:17,015 --> 00:38:20,190
in the world. Like, yes. I have done

1028
00:38:20,190 --> 00:38:22,849
Radio City. Yes. I danced with Jimmy Buffett.

1029
00:38:22,909 --> 00:38:24,050
Yes. I've done

1030
00:38:25,150 --> 00:38:27,809
movies and TV and commercials and plays,

1031
00:38:28,269 --> 00:38:28,769
and,

1032
00:38:29,070 --> 00:38:29,730
you know,

1033
00:38:30,110 --> 00:38:31,809
I love those experiences.

1034
00:38:32,724 --> 00:38:34,804
And because in each of those moments, I

1035
00:38:34,804 --> 00:38:37,065
have found this beautiful joy

1036
00:38:37,364 --> 00:38:39,444
that brings this this there's a quote that

1037
00:38:39,444 --> 00:38:41,625
I have often said, you know, you know,

1038
00:38:41,764 --> 00:38:43,464
because someone said it to me,

1039
00:38:44,085 --> 00:38:46,505
a jack of all trades is a master

1040
00:38:46,565 --> 00:38:48,489
of none, but oftentimes

1041
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:51,909
better than a master of one. I believe

1042
00:38:51,909 --> 00:38:52,969
that full, full,

1043
00:38:53,269 --> 00:38:55,449
full stop. 100%.

1044
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:58,949
Because when I finally read the full quote

1045
00:38:58,949 --> 00:39:01,269
and not the half quote that everybody wants

1046
00:39:01,269 --> 00:39:03,925
to throw at you, It gave me the

1047
00:39:03,925 --> 00:39:05,784
validation to explore

1048
00:39:06,244 --> 00:39:08,344
more things that make me happy.

1049
00:39:08,644 --> 00:39:09,464
You know, I've

1050
00:39:10,005 --> 00:39:11,065
worked in an office.

1051
00:39:12,005 --> 00:39:14,644
I have worked in a restaurant, I've worked

1052
00:39:14,644 --> 00:39:16,085
in a bar and I've done all of

1053
00:39:16,085 --> 00:39:17,704
these things. And

1054
00:39:19,019 --> 00:39:20,860
not to say that they were soul crushing,

1055
00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:22,699
because for me, there was always something I

1056
00:39:22,699 --> 00:39:24,140
could get out of it. Right? You meet

1057
00:39:24,140 --> 00:39:25,119
interesting people.

1058
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:27,920
But then after a while, I just realized

1059
00:39:28,380 --> 00:39:30,699
life is really too short to be doing

1060
00:39:30,699 --> 00:39:32,860
a thing that doesn't bring you joy. And

1061
00:39:32,860 --> 00:39:34,514
sitting in a cubicle with

1062
00:39:35,074 --> 00:39:36,775
fluorescent lights and no window,

1063
00:39:37,234 --> 00:39:40,194
working for some person at the top. And

1064
00:39:40,194 --> 00:39:42,514
like, I can't get time off to be

1065
00:39:42,514 --> 00:39:43,335
with my kids.

1066
00:39:44,275 --> 00:39:46,275
I don't wanna do that. Yeah. It works

1067
00:39:46,275 --> 00:39:47,875
for a lot of people, but yeah, I'm

1068
00:39:47,875 --> 00:39:49,989
with you. It wouldn't work for me. It

1069
00:39:49,989 --> 00:39:52,150
wouldn't It doesn't work for me. And and

1070
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:55,369
I tried forcing it because look, that steadiness,

1071
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:56,329
that income,

1072
00:39:57,670 --> 00:40:00,489
you know, all insurance, all those things. Yeah.

1073
00:40:00,950 --> 00:40:02,730
We should have those. Regardless

1074
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:05,114
of the craft that you are pursuing, you

1075
00:40:05,114 --> 00:40:06,655
should have that kind of stability.

1076
00:40:07,275 --> 00:40:09,775
The hustle of acting and being creative

1077
00:40:10,554 --> 00:40:12,014
requires that you adapt,

1078
00:40:12,315 --> 00:40:14,795
right? Because the roles you play at 20

1079
00:40:14,795 --> 00:40:16,574
are not the roles you'll play at 40.

1080
00:40:16,795 --> 00:40:19,940
And then it's almost over for women at

1081
00:40:19,940 --> 00:40:22,440
that point. Right? Which is the saddest thing

1082
00:40:22,739 --> 00:40:23,239
because

1083
00:40:23,539 --> 00:40:26,679
right now, women over 40 are crushing it.

1084
00:40:26,819 --> 00:40:28,659
Not a yeah. On my watch, I'm gonna

1085
00:40:28,659 --> 00:40:30,920
keep writing stuff that incorporates

1086
00:40:31,644 --> 00:40:34,144
older people because that is Older people.

1087
00:40:34,445 --> 00:40:35,184
Big frustrations.

1088
00:40:36,125 --> 00:40:36,945
Big frustration.

1089
00:40:37,724 --> 00:40:40,125
I've never been a a one egg kinda

1090
00:40:40,125 --> 00:40:41,965
girl. Like, I've had a lot of eggs,

1091
00:40:41,965 --> 00:40:43,724
and I have all my eggs in other

1092
00:40:43,724 --> 00:40:45,265
baskets. And I am fascinated

1093
00:40:45,644 --> 00:40:46,945
with the film making

1094
00:40:48,389 --> 00:40:48,889
industry,

1095
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:51,750
and I wanna know why all of the

1096
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:54,630
things work. I wanna know it. I wanna

1097
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:56,409
know it, like, viscerally.

1098
00:40:57,750 --> 00:41:00,630
What is about the lighting that makes me

1099
00:41:00,630 --> 00:41:03,164
happy or sad or music? What?

1100
00:41:03,644 --> 00:41:05,644
I sit down with everyone. I'm like, I'm

1101
00:41:05,644 --> 00:41:07,644
gonna watch you do your job. I wanna

1102
00:41:07,644 --> 00:41:08,144
understand

1103
00:41:08,525 --> 00:41:10,285
your part. Right. You know, it's like you

1104
00:41:10,285 --> 00:41:11,565
just come up to a group of people

1105
00:41:11,565 --> 00:41:13,485
and you're like, I have some brown paper

1106
00:41:13,485 --> 00:41:14,545
and some markers.

1107
00:41:16,469 --> 00:41:17,610
What can we do?

1108
00:41:18,070 --> 00:41:19,929
I have a barn, you know,

1109
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:22,010
my sister's a choreographer.

1110
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:26,390
Like that spirit of my early theater work,

1111
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:27,929
I bring that all in.

1112
00:41:28,335 --> 00:41:30,355
Also the spirit of playing in the yard.

1113
00:41:30,655 --> 00:41:33,315
Also the spirit of playing in the heart.

1114
00:41:34,094 --> 00:41:34,755
Higher gen

1115
00:41:36,655 --> 00:41:37,554
X people.

1116
00:41:38,655 --> 00:41:40,994
We are creative, we are imaginative.

1117
00:41:41,690 --> 00:41:44,890
And that idea of making something from nothing.

1118
00:41:44,890 --> 00:41:46,489
I mean, we played a game called kick

1119
00:41:46,489 --> 00:41:47,230
the can.

1120
00:41:48,329 --> 00:41:51,050
We made kick the can fun. Somebody got

1121
00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:53,150
a can of, I don't know, peas.

1122
00:41:53,530 --> 00:41:55,289
I don't know what it was. Open that

1123
00:41:55,289 --> 00:41:57,164
up, emptied it out, put it down on

1124
00:41:57,164 --> 00:41:59,184
the street, and we made up a game.

1125
00:41:59,565 --> 00:42:00,925
It just doesn't get and now we get

1126
00:42:00,925 --> 00:42:03,025
to do that for a living. How how

1127
00:42:03,085 --> 00:42:03,585
wonderful.

1128
00:42:04,364 --> 00:42:06,285
Yeah. And, you know, the people that sit

1129
00:42:06,285 --> 00:42:08,285
in the office when they come home that

1130
00:42:08,285 --> 00:42:09,885
are good at that kind of thing, when

1131
00:42:09,885 --> 00:42:10,864
they come home,

1132
00:42:11,244 --> 00:42:11,905
they wanna

1133
00:42:12,410 --> 00:42:14,650
turn off their brain and watch TV or

1134
00:42:14,650 --> 00:42:17,070
listen to music. And this is why

1135
00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:19,530
there needs to there needs to, in my

1136
00:42:19,530 --> 00:42:21,869
opinion, to be an understanding of the symbiotic

1137
00:42:22,650 --> 00:42:23,950
nature of art

1138
00:42:24,264 --> 00:42:26,284
and crafts and industry

1139
00:42:26,585 --> 00:42:27,085
and,

1140
00:42:28,184 --> 00:42:29,864
science and all that stuff is that we

1141
00:42:29,864 --> 00:42:31,324
all do work together.

1142
00:42:32,105 --> 00:42:34,664
We need each other. And so when people

1143
00:42:34,664 --> 00:42:36,425
are like, oh, you're an artist. Oh, you

1144
00:42:36,425 --> 00:42:38,660
know, blah blah blah. Right. And then it's

1145
00:42:38,660 --> 00:42:40,519
like, yeah. That you and you

1146
00:42:40,820 --> 00:42:43,000
take in art nonstop.

1147
00:42:43,860 --> 00:42:46,260
You need me. I am a We need

1148
00:42:46,260 --> 00:42:48,760
each other. Yeah. We're all important

1149
00:42:49,460 --> 00:42:52,119
to the community, to the world, to

1150
00:42:52,574 --> 00:42:55,214
our everyday lives. We need all of the

1151
00:42:55,214 --> 00:42:58,255
things. Yeah. I don't think AI should be

1152
00:42:58,255 --> 00:43:00,255
creating our art. I'm sorry. I do not

1153
00:43:00,255 --> 00:43:00,734
either.

1154
00:43:01,054 --> 00:43:02,835
I'll die on that hill for sure.

1155
00:43:03,214 --> 00:43:05,775
I have no desire, but you know what

1156
00:43:05,775 --> 00:43:07,260
it can do for for me. It can

1157
00:43:07,260 --> 00:43:08,780
help me figure out what to cook for

1158
00:43:08,780 --> 00:43:10,619
my kids, and it could clean my house

1159
00:43:10,619 --> 00:43:12,860
because that's what AI was that was the

1160
00:43:12,860 --> 00:43:13,360
promise

1161
00:43:13,820 --> 00:43:14,880
that we were made,

1162
00:43:15,579 --> 00:43:16,719
was that AI

1163
00:43:17,019 --> 00:43:19,304
would, you know, come in and do the

1164
00:43:19,304 --> 00:43:20,905
things that we don't wanna do. And I

1165
00:43:20,905 --> 00:43:22,824
and I recognize that, you know, they are

1166
00:43:22,824 --> 00:43:25,304
taking jobs away from chefs or drivers or

1167
00:43:25,304 --> 00:43:27,385
whatever. But I don't know. I don't wanna

1168
00:43:27,385 --> 00:43:28,664
get in a car that doesn't have a

1169
00:43:28,664 --> 00:43:31,619
driver. That gives me the the creeps. I

1170
00:43:31,619 --> 00:43:32,119
can't

1171
00:43:32,619 --> 00:43:34,679
Oh, I did it one time in Vegas,

1172
00:43:35,059 --> 00:43:36,819
but but there was a drive there was

1173
00:43:36,819 --> 00:43:38,659
actually a guy sitting there because they were

1174
00:43:38,659 --> 00:43:42,339
testing the autonomous driving taxi or Uber with

1175
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:43,859
I I think it was a Lyft. Called

1176
00:43:43,859 --> 00:43:46,259
Waymo here, I think. Yeah. Yeah. We have

1177
00:43:46,259 --> 00:43:49,355
Waymo here. Freak I've not gotten in one

1178
00:43:49,355 --> 00:43:51,835
without a driver yet. I don't I don't

1179
00:43:51,835 --> 00:43:53,514
know if I can I can handle that?

1180
00:43:53,514 --> 00:43:54,335
Yeah. It doesn't

1181
00:43:54,795 --> 00:43:56,554
it it's I have a hard enough time

1182
00:43:56,554 --> 00:43:58,954
when someone else is driving me somewhere long

1183
00:43:58,954 --> 00:43:59,454
distance.

1184
00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:04,219
So, wait, do you do all the driving?

1185
00:44:04,219 --> 00:44:06,140
You wanna do all the driving? I I

1186
00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:09,099
would I prefer yeah. I prefer driving. Yeah.

1187
00:44:09,099 --> 00:44:10,400
Yeah. For sure. Yeah.

1188
00:44:10,780 --> 00:44:12,780
If I won the lottery, I think this

1189
00:44:12,940 --> 00:44:14,380
there would be signs would be I would

1190
00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:16,320
have a chef cooking me meals.

1191
00:44:16,835 --> 00:44:17,974
Yes. And

1192
00:44:18,674 --> 00:44:19,174
potentially

1193
00:44:19,554 --> 00:44:20,534
driving at night.

1194
00:44:21,635 --> 00:44:23,714
Yes. I don't like to drive at night

1195
00:44:23,714 --> 00:44:24,214
either.

1196
00:44:24,514 --> 00:44:27,255
Yeah. That's that would be my potential. But

1197
00:44:27,474 --> 00:44:27,974
regardless,

1198
00:44:28,275 --> 00:44:30,514
I am with you as far as seeing

1199
00:44:30,514 --> 00:44:31,494
the world as

1200
00:44:32,260 --> 00:44:34,660
nuts to crack open that I used to

1201
00:44:34,660 --> 00:44:37,239
be apologetic for it too of that.

1202
00:44:37,619 --> 00:44:39,059
People would say, oh, you do so many

1203
00:44:39,059 --> 00:44:40,420
things, and I would say, oh, I guess

1204
00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:42,900
I get bored easy. And then somewhere along

1205
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:43,559
the way,

1206
00:44:44,260 --> 00:44:46,755
I realized that that was so negative to

1207
00:44:46,755 --> 00:44:48,514
say. And so now I say I get

1208
00:44:48,514 --> 00:44:49,414
curious easy.

1209
00:44:50,034 --> 00:44:52,114
Yes. I like that. I would like to

1210
00:44:52,114 --> 00:44:54,275
adapt that, adopt that. I'm going to do

1211
00:44:54,275 --> 00:44:56,755
it. I mean, there's just something really great

1212
00:44:56,755 --> 00:44:57,255
about

1213
00:44:58,355 --> 00:45:00,077
finding joy in something or something, a spark

1214
00:45:00,077 --> 00:45:00,162
and wanting to pursue learning that. I don't

1215
00:45:00,162 --> 00:45:00,514
think that there's anything,

1216
00:45:02,589 --> 00:45:05,309
pursue learning that. I don't think that there's

1217
00:45:05,309 --> 00:45:05,809
anything

1218
00:45:06,909 --> 00:45:10,190
wrong with with doing that. And you're never

1219
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:11,010
too old.

1220
00:45:11,469 --> 00:45:13,869
And you're never too old. I I'd say

1221
00:45:13,869 --> 00:45:15,309
the one thing if I had to say

1222
00:45:15,309 --> 00:45:17,010
that I was disappointed about

1223
00:45:17,824 --> 00:45:22,005
society wise is how easily we discard people

1224
00:45:22,625 --> 00:45:24,864
past a certain age and, you know, that

1225
00:45:24,864 --> 00:45:27,444
it from industry to industry, it varies,

1226
00:45:28,144 --> 00:45:30,964
but there's always something to be learned.

1227
00:45:31,780 --> 00:45:32,280
And

1228
00:45:32,820 --> 00:45:35,300
that is our biggest problem. We're not, we're

1229
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:37,000
not learning, we're not appreciating

1230
00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:39,000
the wisdom of people,

1231
00:45:39,619 --> 00:45:40,840
and we're not investing,

1232
00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:43,400
right, in them, right? Because

1233
00:45:44,954 --> 00:45:47,614
just because someone did not do this particular

1234
00:45:47,675 --> 00:45:50,175
job doesn't mean they don't have value

1235
00:45:50,555 --> 00:45:52,094
in this other industry

1236
00:45:52,635 --> 00:45:53,775
or insight

1237
00:45:54,075 --> 00:45:56,954
having grown as a person, right? And I

1238
00:45:56,954 --> 00:46:00,489
get technology, everything is moving faster, You know,

1239
00:46:00,630 --> 00:46:03,109
like one of the things that I still

1240
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:05,210
wish we did was to reinvest

1241
00:46:05,909 --> 00:46:09,269
in ourselves, our lives in humans, right? Like

1242
00:46:09,269 --> 00:46:12,170
this is not life is not just for

1243
00:46:12,505 --> 00:46:13,324
the young.

1244
00:46:13,784 --> 00:46:15,704
We're all here on this earth. And by

1245
00:46:15,704 --> 00:46:17,784
all accounts, we seem to be getting older

1246
00:46:17,784 --> 00:46:19,484
and older year after year.

1247
00:46:20,105 --> 00:46:21,005
And so

1248
00:46:22,025 --> 00:46:23,864
I don't think that we should just kind

1249
00:46:23,864 --> 00:46:24,605
of like

1250
00:46:24,940 --> 00:46:27,420
call it a a death sentence. You know?

1251
00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:29,199
You're 50 now, so

1252
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:30,400
sorry.

1253
00:46:31,099 --> 00:46:33,760
Whoever is listening to us talking right now,

1254
00:46:34,539 --> 00:46:35,920
there is no limits

1255
00:46:36,619 --> 00:46:38,904
except for those we give ourselves. So if

1256
00:46:38,904 --> 00:46:41,384
you have a desire, if you wanna do

1257
00:46:41,384 --> 00:46:42,045
a thing,

1258
00:46:42,344 --> 00:46:44,424
if you've thought maybe, I don't know, maybe

1259
00:46:44,424 --> 00:46:46,424
I'm too old, just do it because you're

1260
00:46:46,424 --> 00:46:48,125
gonna regret not trying.

1261
00:46:48,505 --> 00:46:50,984
You're gonna regret not trying. I believe that

1262
00:46:50,984 --> 00:46:52,505
to be true. Do you know what? I

1263
00:46:52,505 --> 00:46:54,125
heard something really interesting,

1264
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,400
and I think it was the CEO of

1265
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,659
Calm on Mel Robbins podcast.

1266
00:46:59,039 --> 00:46:59,859
He said,

1267
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,480
butcher it because I often do, but I

1268
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,019
took from it what I loved.

1269
00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:07,974
You are living your dream right now. And

1270
00:47:07,974 --> 00:47:10,454
I was like, I am. And then maybe

1271
00:47:10,454 --> 00:47:12,394
everyone isn't, but I am,

1272
00:47:12,855 --> 00:47:15,914
because I wanted to marry my best friend

1273
00:47:16,375 --> 00:47:17,514
and have children

1274
00:47:17,815 --> 00:47:20,155
and be able to spend time with them

1275
00:47:20,695 --> 00:47:21,914
and still pursue

1276
00:47:22,295 --> 00:47:23,114
my craft.

1277
00:47:24,510 --> 00:47:27,010
And I went, oh my God, I am.

1278
00:47:27,390 --> 00:47:29,390
Like, these are the things that I said

1279
00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:31,869
that I wanted and I have them and

1280
00:47:31,869 --> 00:47:34,910
I appreciate them. And so I've done it

1281
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:37,230
once and I can do it again. Clearly

1282
00:47:37,230 --> 00:47:39,309
of the willingness to go after the things

1283
00:47:39,309 --> 00:47:41,605
that that you want. Yeah. And so I'm

1284
00:47:41,605 --> 00:47:44,964
living I'm just been so smiley and happy

1285
00:47:44,964 --> 00:47:47,444
lately because I, you know, guess there are

1286
00:47:47,444 --> 00:47:49,385
things that suck. You know?

1287
00:47:49,844 --> 00:47:51,704
In my life, there are hardships.

1288
00:47:52,324 --> 00:47:54,085
But then I when when I heard that,

1289
00:47:54,085 --> 00:47:55,980
I was like, wow. I am. I this

1290
00:47:55,980 --> 00:47:57,500
is what I said I wanted, and I

1291
00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:59,119
have it. And it isn't perfect,

1292
00:47:59,820 --> 00:48:01,679
but I have it, and I love it.

1293
00:48:02,699 --> 00:48:04,699
And now I would like to set my

1294
00:48:04,699 --> 00:48:06,880
intentions for my next journey.

1295
00:48:07,260 --> 00:48:09,179
Right? And these are the things I want,

1296
00:48:09,179 --> 00:48:10,985
and they feel daunting You

1297
00:48:11,365 --> 00:48:11,865
know?

1298
00:48:12,244 --> 00:48:13,684
But then I heard that, and I was

1299
00:48:13,684 --> 00:48:15,925
like, yeah. I did it once. Could do

1300
00:48:15,925 --> 00:48:16,505
it again.

1301
00:48:17,204 --> 00:48:18,825
And you could do it a dozen times.

1302
00:48:18,885 --> 00:48:21,945
Over a dozen times. Yeah. Isn't that great?

1303
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,559
So I I, you know, I look back

1304
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:26,320
on on all the things and all the

1305
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,480
jobs, and and I pull the things that

1306
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,360
I loved about each one, and and they've

1307
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:32,579
all made me

1308
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,960
the human I am today. And I look

1309
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:35,460
forward

1310
00:48:35,945 --> 00:48:38,025
to all the other things that I wanna

1311
00:48:38,025 --> 00:48:38,525
accomplish.

1312
00:48:38,905 --> 00:48:41,144
I'm excited to try some. And if it

1313
00:48:41,144 --> 00:48:43,224
doesn't work out, it doesn't work out, but,

1314
00:48:43,224 --> 00:48:45,324
like, I'm gonna try this and

1315
00:48:46,184 --> 00:48:48,664
and just take that joy into the next

1316
00:48:48,664 --> 00:48:51,809
thing. I'm really excited about that. Tell everybody

1317
00:48:51,809 --> 00:48:54,230
how they can find you. I'm on Instagram

1318
00:48:54,849 --> 00:48:55,910
at Louisa Kendrick.

1319
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:58,769
I'm on Facebook, but I'm gonna tell you

1320
00:48:58,769 --> 00:49:00,530
right now, I go in there just to

1321
00:49:00,530 --> 00:49:02,769
update my family with my kids and stuff.

1322
00:49:02,769 --> 00:49:05,184
So don't look for me there. I'm on

1323
00:49:05,184 --> 00:49:05,925
blue sky.

1324
00:49:06,385 --> 00:49:08,784
I'm not I'm on blue sky, but I'm

1325
00:49:08,784 --> 00:49:10,864
not on blue sky because I really haven't

1326
00:49:10,864 --> 00:49:13,505
figured out how to replace The other thing.

1327
00:49:13,824 --> 00:49:15,664
The other thing, but I am on blue

1328
00:49:15,664 --> 00:49:18,159
sky at louisa kendrick. I don't know. I'm

1329
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:19,920
on Pinterest if you have a board you

1330
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:20,900
wanna send me.

1331
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:23,940
Great.

1332
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:26,239
Thank you so much for being on the

1333
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,559
show. I am so excited. Thank you so

1334
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,159
much for inviting me, and it's such a

1335
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:31,619
pleasure to speak with you.

1336
00:49:32,114 --> 00:49:33,675
Absolutely. And stay in touch. We have a

1337
00:49:33,675 --> 00:49:34,215
lot of

1338
00:49:34,835 --> 00:49:36,835
friends. We do have mutual friends. Isn't that

1339
00:49:36,835 --> 00:49:39,155
exciting when you find someone and you're like,

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wait a minute. I'd say just keep making

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the world a little smaller any way you

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can. And we need community more than ever.

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So More than ever.

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Yeah. And we need to create art that

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heals. Yeah. Amen to that too. Thank you

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for listening, everybody.

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Bye. Bye.

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