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Hey, humans. How's it going? Susan Ruth here.

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Thanks for listening to another episode

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of Hey, Human podcast.

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This is episode 453,

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and my guest is doctor Blaine Leeds.

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Blaine's been practicing general and cosmetic dentistry for

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over twenty eight years.

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He's on a mission to improve the quality

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and quantity of sleep for children, teens, and

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adults.

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Oral sleep apnea impedes restorative sleep, which experts

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are now determining

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to be the root cause of so many

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mental, emotional, and physical issues.

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Teeth are super important, y'all. He's also the

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coauthor of What Happens When Your Child Doesn't

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Sleep,

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exploring the link between children's general health and

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sleep obstructed

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breathing related to underdeveloped jaws.

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I find that really interesting.

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I was born with lots of extra teeth.

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I had to get teeth pulled as a

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kid

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and had braces for a couple years.

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And then, of course, teeth have memory. So

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as an adult, I ended up getting Invisalign

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and and taking care of that business. But

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my dentist as an adult was really interesting,

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doctor Cummings in Nashville, Tennessee, actually.

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Shout out, doctor Cummings. And

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he said that

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in my generation,

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that kids oftentimes

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had

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lots of teeth removed, braces and things. Now

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I have a

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a genetic disorder

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that

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is coupled with having extra teeth. So I

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may be an anomaly in that. But I

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know a lot of people have had wisdom

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teeth pulled and various things to prepare for

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braces.

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And he had said to me that it

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actually now they know better because it changes

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the shape of the jaw by doing that.

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And and that's a no no because it's

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very important for your jaw to have a

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particular shape. And, anyway, I just thought that

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was all interesting. And then, doctor Leeds

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echoes that sentiment, obviously,

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and that's what we talk about. So, anyway,

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long story longer, I had braces. My brother

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had braces. I come from a family of

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braces people,

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I really loved Invisalign. But that's a whole

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other story, and it's not an ad for

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Invisalign. Just wanted to throw it out there.

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Anyway, check out Hey Human podcast for links

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and to learn more about my guests in

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the show.

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Check out susanruth.com

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to learn more about me and my other

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artistic endeavors,

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including,

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some upcoming film festivals. I'm very excited. Indie

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Film Fest

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is coming up April 24 through the twenty

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seventh in Indiana,

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and you can get tickets for that. And,

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again, that's Indie Film Fest, and I've got

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some more coming up that I will announce.

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Let's see. In May

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is the Der Fantastique

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in Kassel, Germany. So if you live in

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go see the film there. And I feel

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like there's a couple others. I know there's

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a couple I can't announce yet, but it's

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exciting. Good things are coming. Yeah. So definitely

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check that out

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on susanruth.com.

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yeah, social media. Sorry. I lost my train.

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I'm just a rambling gal tonight. You can

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Music, or wherever you do those sorts of

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And thank you for listening. Be well.

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Hang in there. It's a tough time.

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Be kind.

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Be love. And here we go.

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Doctor Blaine Leeds, welcome to Hey Human.

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Thank you so much for having me, Susan.

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Glad to be here. It's nice to see

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you. I love this piece of furniture behind

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you. It's beautiful.

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I love it too. And, it it, was

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one of the pieces that was in an

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estate sale in this house that we purchased,

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back in Arkansas. Some dear friends had the

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house for sale, and,

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and they had she had a very eclectic

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sort of a Pacific Rim, you know,

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old taste. And so, yeah, this piece was

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in her foyer, and we moved it into

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this nice

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nice office here in the in our house.

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it and kinda keep the heritage there. My

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wife's mother was a she was an antique

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jewelry person and and taught my wife a

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lot about antiques. My mother-in-law passed away in

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November of twenty three.

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That was something they really bonded

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through is I mean, but my wife can

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look at a chair and say, that's firewood,

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and that chair right beside it has, you

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know, those claw feet and, you know, that

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that's from this era, and that's worth $950.

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You know? I mean, she can, you know,

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she's really good at that, but her she

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and her mom shared that. And my mother-in-law

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was much more into the antique jewelry and

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stones and that kind of stuff. Had a

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little she sold diamonds out of her kitchen.

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wholesale jewelry

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group, and she would go to Tulsa, Oklahoma

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and buy buy stones from this this jewelry

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out there. He's a really, really good guy.

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some nice nice pieces. So, people did that

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kind of thing. She was a homemaker, you

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know, and it's her kind of her

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side hustle, you know, back in the day

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before she I love that. Well, let's get

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into you. Let's talk about where you came

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up and what

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inspired the interests

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of young you into becoming

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what you do now.

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Sure. Happy to. I,

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I I thought, in ninth grade, I wanted

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to be a pediatrician, take care of kids,

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be a medical doctor. And,

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my path kinda shifted a little bit in

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in college and and encountered,

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an admissions director from the University of Tennessee

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Health Science Center in Memphis who he was

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like, yeah, you should think about dental school.

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And, never really had crossed my mind at

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that point. And,

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one thing led to another, and and that

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class had one spot remaining in it. And

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I thought, you know what? I'll go ahead

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and apply.

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in that that that class and,

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you know, change change my career trajectory forever.

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you know, I tell people all the time

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as much as

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as much difficulty as as dental school presented

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for everybody as we were going through it

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back then, you know, I would go back

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again if somebody somebody made me. You know?

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I mean, I I just left the office

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today. I had two

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lovely kiddo patients that I saw toward the

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end of the day today at the office.

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And, but yeah. So so I've been doing

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dentistry now for twenty eight years. Went to

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land grant college in Arkansas and then, on

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to University of Tennessee. Arkansas is about to

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open a dental school. They're gonna take their

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first class in 2025.

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You know, Arkansas didn't, didn't have, I mean,

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not enough teeth to have a dental school,

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you know, some people would say back in

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the day. But we we love to let

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people think that we're, you know, barefoot and

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toothless here in Arkansas, but it's a a

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pretty progressive little Southern Southern state with a

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couple of you know, a president and another

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presidential candidate. So it's a it's a great

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place to be. Great great, business center in

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Northwest Arkansas.

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The best art museum between LA and New

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York, you know, in my opinion.

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Alice Walton's creation, Crystal Bridges, you know, which

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is here in Northwest Arkansas.

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Worth the trip. Alice Walton of Walmart?

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That's right. Yeah. Oh, okay. So

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Helen and Sam's daughter and, one of their

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kids. And, she's in her seventies now, but

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she took four years and traveled the world

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and spent $400,000,000

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of her own money putting pieces of art

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in a beautiful, you know, Frank Lloyd Wright,

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Faye Jones inspired architectural,

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building in, in Bentonville, about two miles from

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the Walmart headquarters. It's a lovely campus that

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just continues to

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promote art. I mean, they had Annie Leibovitz

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there earlier this year. She did an exhibit.

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school kids come and talk to her, college

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kids.

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So they're just promoting the arts and doing

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a a lovely job of it. And they

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created a wonderful outdoor venue called the Momentary

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where artists like Wilco and Jason Esbel and

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the four hundred unit are gonna play there

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this year. And it's just a really good,

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good place, place to be. And and, but

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yeah, so I practiced in Arkansas for

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the first twenty two years of my career.

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in 2014,

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we started to have FaceTime on a phone.

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And so I knew that healthcare and dentistry

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was going to change forever

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because Susan and Blaine, if we're down in

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Battery Park in New York City, we don't

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want to go to the Upper East Side

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as an endodontist

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and spend half a day going up there

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to find out, Oh gosh, we just need

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some antibiotic and we're going to come back

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six weeks later and have a root canal

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done. And so I knew that we were

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gonna be communicating like we're talking now. And

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I kind of saw the writing on the

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wall there, and I just didn't know how

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to really ask for funding and didn't know

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anything about venture capital or angel investors or

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anything like that. If I'd asked for $30,000,000,

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I'd probably wouldn't be talking to you right

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now. I'd be I'd have my own empire

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out there, but I didn't know what I

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was doing. So I I asked for about

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half a million to set up a pilot

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program in Nashville and Phoenix

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as the first two cities to do a

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a directory basically that the centerpiece was gonna

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be like yellow pages for doctors, but eventually

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you could have telehealth exams like we're talking

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now and do as much as we could

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do from a telehealth standpoint. So, you you

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know, companies like Invisalign and SmileDirectClub

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were looking into that in 2014, '20 '15,

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and they were trying to figure out a

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way to start treating patients,

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for orthodontics, you know, short term orthodontic cases.

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they contacted after they got up enrolling, and

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I was kind of there for the whole,

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you know, ride with Smile Direct Club, you

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know, from February of twenty seventeen, you know,

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to fall of twenty nineteen. They're ringing the

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bell to NASDAQ. You know, the company's worth

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8,610,000,000.00.

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They're growing into Ireland, Australia, Canada. Anyway, didn't

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work out. Ended up closing their doors in

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December.

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But through, you know, the telehealth world with

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SmileDirect, I learned a lot about how to

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treat patients with telehealth,

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how to develop software that can help do

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that. And I've kinda lended my expertise to

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some other companies that are doing some cool

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stuff with with sleep and airway treatment and

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helping,

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kids grow their underdeveloped jaws a lot better.

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And so, that's how you and I ended

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up talking today.

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Yeah. I wanna get into all of that.

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I am,

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I think it's so interesting, the idea of

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receiving medical care over

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video.

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Yeah. I can imagine a lot of pros

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and cons just in general because,

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a, for people that

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are nervous, especially about dentists,

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there are a lot of there's a lot

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of fear around dentists,

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and I would imagine that would help

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calm people down.

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Sure. Well, you know, if we know

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as recently as five years ago, there was

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a survey done that showed that more than

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one in five, it was like twenty one

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percent of Americans don't go to the dentist

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at all because of fear.

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And how about a horrible indictment on our

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profession? Here we are in twenty twenty

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twenty twenty and beyond,

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and people are still afraid to go to

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the dentist. And so, you know, that's one

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of the takeaways from the from our visit

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today is if if somebody's afraid to go

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to the dentist in 2024,

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you're going to the wrong spot. I mean

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and now can you get in at the

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other spot? I don't know. It could be

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challenging. Right? But, I mean, it

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ask around. Talk to your friends. Do some

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research on the Internet.

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You know, read the Google reviews. I've got

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some bad ones. There's people who've had some

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bad experiences with some of the stuff we

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were doing. So, I mean, it's it's out

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there, but you shouldn't have if you're having

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pain when you go to the dentist or

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or there's a procedure that's scary,

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you know, there's a better way to do

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it. I can assure you. And,

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I mean, we, you know, we were talking

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to patients this week about, I mean, we

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have IV nurse anesthetists that can come into

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our office now. Patient can just have a

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little IV drip and go to sleep and

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and have a lot of dentistry done and

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and wake up with a new smile, you

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know, completely comfortable and never,

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have to think about any of the anxiety

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affiliated with it that we used to have

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in the past. And so,

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but it is a deterrent, you know? And

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so if somebody knows that they're just gonna

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talk to Susan like this, you can't be

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poked, prodded, you know, fileted, whatever, you know,

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through through the Internet. You know? So,

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and and we did see a lot of

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that, like, with

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analyzing these telehealth patients and dentistry for,

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you know, Invisalign, SmileDirectClub,

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Candid, had some direct to consumer stuff going

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for a while. They're now back in in

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offices only.

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But many of these patients, you can't believe

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the dental challenges that they had,

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but they and they knew they needed care,

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but they felt safe.

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It was a safe environment for them to

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come and and share photographs with somebody and

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so we could look at their, you know,

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their situation. And many of them, you know,

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we tried to help

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direct them to,

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you know, an office that was nearby to

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them, you know, because they had many, many

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more concerns than just, you know, doing some

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cosmetic stuff and moving some teeth around. There

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is a lot of shame around teeth.

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It's really interesting. I mean, there are cultures

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that outright hide their teeth when they laugh

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or talk, you know, for sure. But in

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America

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and probably The UK, the the Western

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communities,

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there seems to be a lot of

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pressure

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put on having a perfect

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smile. Actors, you know, once they get a

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little bit more successful, they go and veneer

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their face so that they look like they've

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got neon lights coming out of their mouth.

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I personally like a little character and teeth.

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Sure. I know my mom, for example, she's

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really has issues. She's ashamed of her teeth

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because coffee stains and, you know, over time

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her teeth started to get crowded and all

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of this.

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And she's talking at her age, she's up

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there, she's talking about getting Invisalign.

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Yeah. And I said, hey, whatever makes you

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feel better about yourself, go for it. I

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did Invisalign after doing braces,

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you know, because your teeth remember where they

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were.

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And

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my dentist at the time, he said, well,

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I hate to tell you this, but when

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you grow up,

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and they pulled a bunch of teeth and

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all that stuff. So when you grew up,

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they didn't know as much as they know

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now. And they actually the the braces messed

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messed up your jaw. I used to grind

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and all that stuff.

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And he said, let me give you Invisalign,

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you know, try it out, see what happens,

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and it changed my life. Yeah. I don't

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I mean, I'm not sponsored by them or

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anything, but I highly recommend

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that. Well, just orthodontics in general. I mean,

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I'm sorry that your, you know, experience with

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bands and brackets and all that wasn't as

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good as the Invisalign experience, but, you know,

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I've probably sent a thousand adults over age

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25 to the orthodontist.

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And most people think, okay, well, I'm too

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old for that. Right.

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And I've had a 63 year old patient,

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half full man in bracketed orthodontics,

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and she's in her late eighties now, but

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but she's whitened her teeth. Her teeth are

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easier for her to clean. And as we

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get older, our dexterity is not as good.

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Right? So we can't floss and brush and

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get to those tight crowded areas anymore. So,

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yeah, orthodontics is just one of those things.

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It's almost like a bigger version of having

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a, you know, a manicure or something. It's

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when you get yourself taken care of and

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you let somebody take care of you and

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it goes well, I mean, it just, it

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feels really good and it changes people's approach

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and they eat better, they function better, they

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smile better, they're happier with their appearance. You

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know what I think? When people are meeting

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other people or they're communicating,

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people tend to either notice someone's eyes or

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someone's smile, you know, the very first thing.

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And, you know, and I have this, to

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me, the smile comes from in here, right?

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It's down in your heart. It's, I've seen

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patients who had missed all four of their

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front incisors missing, but they had a great

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smile because they were so such a happy

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person. And, you know, may and so,

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you know, your smile is it doesn't have

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to be perfect to be beautiful. You know?

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And so, but we can we can certainly,

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improve that. And there's a lot of nice

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ways to do it that that aren't painful

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or scary.

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Let's talk about sleep and

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teeth,

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the connection.

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Sure. Happy to. Well, it turns out we're

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about four generations into

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our jaws are are shrinking. And

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our children, you know, are given a pacifier

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when they're still in the incubator, and they

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start, you sucking on the pacifier and it

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starts to move their cheeks together. When

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our cheeks are filled with muscles and the

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muscles

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push the teeth together, when our baby molars

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start to go together,

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the palate arches. I mean, the palate arches,

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the palate is the floor of the airway

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space, right? So when the palate is arched

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like this,

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the palate's narrow and tight. The tongue is

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not able to fit up where it belongs

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behind the baby teeth.

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And we end up with a patient who

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can't breathe through their nose.

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And this is a real serious issue. Human

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beings are obligate nasal breathers. We should be

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breathing effortlessly, quietly, and visibly through our nose

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all the time.

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And it's okay to exhale through your mouth,

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but when you breathe through your nose,

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why does it matter if I breathe through

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my nose? Well, several reasons. Number one, your

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nose, you know, sits out off off of

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your face.

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So the air has time as it passes

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through your nose to to warm to temperature

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to the rest of your body. So you're

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not breathing in stark cold air like you

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do right into your mouth, right into the

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fissures of your tonsils that maybe that's why

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we have inflamed tonsils is because somebody's breathing

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through their mouth, not because they're allergic to

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a lot of stuff. So that's all tied

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in too. But if we're breathing through our

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nose,

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the hair in our nose filters the crud

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out of the air. So we've got air

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that's warmed to temperature, it's filtered to where

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it's more pure, and now it hits a

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little sensor back in our parastinuses

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that causes our body to secrete

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nitric oxide.

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And nitric oxide

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is our it's the only time it happens

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in our body physiology.

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And nitric oxide is the body's own vasodilator,

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which means that our vasculature opens up,

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oxygenated blood is sped to the muscles and

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the heart and the brain. And so when

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we get Children breathing through their nose with

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big wide smiles where their tongue fits up

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in their palate,

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these kids thrive, they grow, they grow taller,

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they they they breathe better, they sleep better,

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they're ready for school every day, they bounce

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out of the rack in the morning feeling

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good and feeling energized because really what we're

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talking about is restorative sleep. And when we

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can't breathe through our nose properly, we can't

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get restorative sleep. And it's a national epidemic

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that nobody really talks about. It's why we're

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talking today. I'm trying to get it to

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as many ears as we can. I've read

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a lot recently about mouth tape

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for adults to facilitate that very thing, to

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get them to breathe through their nose instead

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of because that's the snoring and the apnea

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and all that when your head tilts back

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and your mouth opens.

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Yeah. So what are some simple things that

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we can do tonight if you're listening to

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the podcast and you're, you know, driving somewhere

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and listen to it?

530
00:18:48,345 --> 00:18:49,565
I like side sleeping.

531
00:18:50,025 --> 00:18:51,785
If you're sleeping on your back, you know,

532
00:18:51,785 --> 00:18:53,865
we're just working against gravity, right, because your

533
00:18:53,865 --> 00:18:55,644
mandible's gonna fall open sometimes.

534
00:18:56,490 --> 00:18:58,410
That's where the mouth taping comes in. We

535
00:18:58,410 --> 00:19:00,970
we prescribe mouth tape on a weekly basis.

536
00:19:00,970 --> 00:19:02,809
We'll have somebody we recommend it to. If

537
00:19:02,809 --> 00:19:05,049
you're gonna use mouth tape, there's some some

538
00:19:05,049 --> 00:19:07,710
good there's several different varieties that work well.

539
00:19:07,849 --> 00:19:10,490
I I recommend taping vertically so that you've

540
00:19:10,490 --> 00:19:12,134
got a little bit of, you know, air

541
00:19:12,134 --> 00:19:14,234
passage around the side if you need it.

542
00:19:14,375 --> 00:19:16,134
But, basically, you know, we want the, you

543
00:19:16,134 --> 00:19:18,535
know, lips together, teeth apart, breathing through the

544
00:19:18,535 --> 00:19:20,615
nose is what we're trying to achieve. And

545
00:19:20,615 --> 00:19:23,015
mouth tape actually works. And in fact, I

546
00:19:23,015 --> 00:19:24,649
think there was a one one of the

547
00:19:24,730 --> 00:19:26,169
it was one of the US Open run

548
00:19:26,169 --> 00:19:27,929
up tennis tournaments, I think, earlier in the

549
00:19:27,929 --> 00:19:28,990
summer. There was,

550
00:19:29,929 --> 00:19:31,929
a a ladies player that got a lot

551
00:19:31,929 --> 00:19:34,089
of publicity because she mouth taped during a

552
00:19:34,089 --> 00:19:36,829
match. She Woah. Wanted she was having trouble

553
00:19:37,255 --> 00:19:39,494
breathing through her her mouth, and so she

554
00:19:39,494 --> 00:19:41,174
she covered her mouth so she could breathe

555
00:19:41,174 --> 00:19:43,575
through her nose during the match. And so

556
00:19:43,575 --> 00:19:45,414
people why'd she do it? You know? And

557
00:19:45,414 --> 00:19:47,894
and, and nobody understood it. But, yeah, it

558
00:19:47,894 --> 00:19:49,095
can help you. And it can help you

559
00:19:49,095 --> 00:19:51,890
perform better because you're getting more oxygenated blood

560
00:19:51,890 --> 00:19:53,410
to your muscles, and it can even help

561
00:19:53,410 --> 00:19:55,170
with things like cramps, you know, in the

562
00:19:55,170 --> 00:19:56,450
middle of a match, you know, if you're

563
00:19:56,450 --> 00:19:57,910
breathing better through your nose.

564
00:19:58,529 --> 00:20:01,190
What are your thoughts about pacifiers

565
00:20:01,490 --> 00:20:03,589
then? Are they doing us a disservice?

566
00:20:04,634 --> 00:20:05,275
Well, I mean, I

567
00:20:06,075 --> 00:20:08,555
there are many orthodontic companies now that are

568
00:20:08,555 --> 00:20:10,255
trying to make better,

569
00:20:10,634 --> 00:20:11,134
pacifiers.

570
00:20:11,914 --> 00:20:14,414
But when a child gets to age two,

571
00:20:15,355 --> 00:20:17,275
and they've got all their baby teeth in,

572
00:20:17,275 --> 00:20:19,375
I like to switch the Wibbe for

573
00:20:19,859 --> 00:20:21,799
something called a tooth pillow, which

574
00:20:22,099 --> 00:20:23,559
is broader, flatter.

575
00:20:24,019 --> 00:20:25,160
It keeps the musculature

576
00:20:25,619 --> 00:20:26,839
off of the developing

577
00:20:27,140 --> 00:20:30,179
dental alveolus, the bone around the teeth, and

578
00:20:30,179 --> 00:20:30,839
it helps

579
00:20:31,299 --> 00:20:31,799
widen,

580
00:20:32,259 --> 00:20:34,945
a patient's jaw so that their tongue, which

581
00:20:34,945 --> 00:20:37,744
is the body's own natural expander, can fit

582
00:20:37,744 --> 00:20:39,585
up in the palate like it's supposed to.

583
00:20:39,585 --> 00:20:41,265
There's four or five companies out there that

584
00:20:41,265 --> 00:20:43,125
make these kinds of appliances.

585
00:20:44,065 --> 00:20:45,984
Healthy Start is one of the companies in

586
00:20:45,984 --> 00:20:46,484
Chicago.

587
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,600
Myobrace, which is an Australian company, and they

588
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,080
make one of the finest devices for young

589
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,460
children who have an underbite.

590
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,019
If we start kiddos that have an underbite

591
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,059
with a an I three n like Nancy

592
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,740
appliance from Myobrace,

593
00:21:01,304 --> 00:21:03,944
we can actually keep these kids from having

594
00:21:03,944 --> 00:21:06,924
underbite. It will gradually jump that crossbite

595
00:21:07,544 --> 00:21:09,384
by where if they're compliant to wear the

596
00:21:09,384 --> 00:21:11,544
appliance. And then that can save kids a

597
00:21:11,544 --> 00:21:13,625
40,000 jaw dollar jaw surgery, you know, when

598
00:21:13,625 --> 00:21:15,325
they're in high school or college. So

599
00:21:15,769 --> 00:21:17,769
it's really important. So and then we have

600
00:21:17,769 --> 00:21:20,649
tooth pillow, which is is online right now.

601
00:21:20,649 --> 00:21:22,250
You can go be my patient. You know,

602
00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:23,690
if you're a mom out there, you can

603
00:21:23,690 --> 00:21:26,169
go and and send in some photographs and

604
00:21:26,169 --> 00:21:27,929
answer a little survey question, and you can

605
00:21:27,929 --> 00:21:30,009
have a tooth pillow shipped out to you

606
00:21:30,009 --> 00:21:33,045
this week. Tooth pillow appliances are made by

607
00:21:33,045 --> 00:21:34,265
a company called Vivos,

608
00:21:34,884 --> 00:21:37,525
which has, just got FDA approval on an

609
00:21:37,525 --> 00:21:38,025
adult,

610
00:21:38,484 --> 00:21:41,845
expansion appliance for sleep that's a removable appliance

611
00:21:41,845 --> 00:21:43,305
back in, I think, January.

612
00:21:43,919 --> 00:21:46,240
But they make these wonderful little appliances that

613
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:46,740
are

614
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,200
to me, they have just the right amount

615
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,059
of flex to them and also,

616
00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:52,419
toughness

617
00:21:52,879 --> 00:21:54,559
so that kids can't they have a hard

618
00:21:54,559 --> 00:21:55,484
time tearing them up.

619
00:21:56,444 --> 00:21:58,605
Really intuitive. You can hand a two year

620
00:21:58,605 --> 00:22:00,285
old this device, and they'll just put it

621
00:22:00,285 --> 00:22:01,484
in their mouth. I don't even have to

622
00:22:01,484 --> 00:22:03,804
insert it for them. They they and sometimes

623
00:22:03,804 --> 00:22:05,565
they'll put it upside down. You know? But

624
00:22:05,565 --> 00:22:07,005
but most of the time, they just look

625
00:22:07,005 --> 00:22:08,125
at it and go, okay. I mean, because

626
00:22:08,125 --> 00:22:09,565
that's what every two or three year old

627
00:22:09,565 --> 00:22:11,549
does anyway. I mean, you hand them something,

628
00:22:11,549 --> 00:22:13,009
they put it in their mouth, typically.

629
00:22:13,630 --> 00:22:16,109
So it's pretty intuitive. About ninety percent of

630
00:22:16,109 --> 00:22:18,450
the kids learn to wear it really well,

631
00:22:18,829 --> 00:22:19,970
but it helps them

632
00:22:20,829 --> 00:22:23,710
sleep properly and breathe through their nose and

633
00:22:23,710 --> 00:22:26,274
keeps the muscles of their cheeks, even if

634
00:22:26,355 --> 00:22:28,855
and it also prevents them really from getting,

635
00:22:29,075 --> 00:22:30,515
you know, their thumb or index finger or

636
00:22:30,515 --> 00:22:32,595
something in their mouth, you know, to to

637
00:22:32,595 --> 00:22:34,755
suck on it and create that palatal arching

638
00:22:34,755 --> 00:22:37,315
that we don't want. I read that teeth

639
00:22:37,315 --> 00:22:38,855
clenching and teeth grinding

640
00:22:39,169 --> 00:22:41,409
is a genetic thing that can be triggered

641
00:22:41,409 --> 00:22:43,409
by an event, but that if if you're

642
00:22:43,409 --> 00:22:45,490
either gonna react that way or not based

643
00:22:45,490 --> 00:22:47,409
on your genetics. Is that is there a

644
00:22:47,409 --> 00:22:49,650
truth to that? There there is some truth

645
00:22:49,650 --> 00:22:52,235
to that, because, you know, we clench when

646
00:22:52,235 --> 00:22:55,295
we're in pain or having anxiety and but

647
00:22:55,434 --> 00:22:56,414
almost always

648
00:22:57,195 --> 00:23:00,075
in children or adults, clenching the teeth together.

649
00:23:00,075 --> 00:23:00,894
In other words,

650
00:23:01,195 --> 00:23:04,095
burying those bumps of enamel into the the,

651
00:23:04,235 --> 00:23:05,755
you know, peaks into the valleys on the

652
00:23:05,755 --> 00:23:07,750
opposing arch. You know, our teeth are only

653
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:09,670
designed to touch one another about two minutes

654
00:23:09,670 --> 00:23:12,069
total out of a 24 day, and that's

655
00:23:12,069 --> 00:23:14,470
when we swallow. That's the only time that

656
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:15,769
our teeth should be together.

657
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:18,069
And so and and that which we know

658
00:23:18,069 --> 00:23:19,349
is just not true. We got all these

659
00:23:19,349 --> 00:23:21,109
stressed out drivers out there. We got people,

660
00:23:21,109 --> 00:23:22,894
you you know, clenching their jaw muscles. We

661
00:23:22,894 --> 00:23:24,255
watch the major league hitters when they're in

662
00:23:24,255 --> 00:23:26,015
the batter's box, and, boy, they're clenching those

663
00:23:26,015 --> 00:23:27,875
teeth together. We wanna have,

664
00:23:28,575 --> 00:23:31,295
yeah, the teeth not ideally not touching because

665
00:23:31,295 --> 00:23:32,734
when we're chewing, you know, there's food between

666
00:23:32,734 --> 00:23:34,174
our teeth and when we're talking, our teeth

667
00:23:34,174 --> 00:23:34,994
are not together.

668
00:23:35,454 --> 00:23:35,954
So,

669
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,359
but, yeah, that's that's a key a key

670
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:39,339
factor for sure.

671
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,400
I bet you everybody listening to this right

672
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,160
now just went, okay. Where are my teeth?

673
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,039
Yeah. Personal touch. My natural state, my teeth

674
00:23:46,039 --> 00:23:47,640
are apart, and I feel like my tongue

675
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,724
is up into the roof of my mouth.

676
00:23:50,125 --> 00:23:51,964
Well, that that's golden. That's that's how we

677
00:23:51,964 --> 00:23:54,785
want it. That's not how it was before

678
00:23:55,565 --> 00:23:57,724
as an adult. Again, I was I was

679
00:23:57,724 --> 00:23:59,664
clenching like crazy,

680
00:24:00,125 --> 00:24:00,625
and

681
00:24:01,005 --> 00:24:02,605
now I don't do that anymore because I

682
00:24:02,605 --> 00:24:05,340
did I got my every everything is aligned

683
00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:06,940
the way it's supposed to do. I don't

684
00:24:06,940 --> 00:24:07,840
think we really

685
00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:10,859
most of us don't really think about how

686
00:24:10,859 --> 00:24:11,359
important

687
00:24:12,220 --> 00:24:15,900
that alignment is with everything else going on

688
00:24:15,900 --> 00:24:16,640
in our bodies.

689
00:24:17,099 --> 00:24:19,105
Yeah. And And I wasn't taught about it

690
00:24:19,105 --> 00:24:20,865
in dental school. I mean, I was taught,

691
00:24:20,865 --> 00:24:21,684
okay, people

692
00:24:22,144 --> 00:24:24,325
have crooked teeth, refer them to the orthodontist,

693
00:24:24,545 --> 00:24:26,545
and that's what we need to know about

694
00:24:26,545 --> 00:24:29,544
that general dentist out there. But just about,

695
00:24:29,544 --> 00:24:32,390
I mean, I've got two or three colleagues

696
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:34,230
that, you know, I really trust and and

697
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:35,130
work with often,

698
00:24:35,589 --> 00:24:37,690
and they they always talk about how

699
00:24:38,309 --> 00:24:41,029
any kind of grinding or clenching of the

700
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:41,529
teeth

701
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:43,750
is is a sign of a patient that's

702
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:45,764
trying to breathe. They're they're trying to breathe

703
00:24:45,764 --> 00:24:48,164
through their nose. And and if a patient

704
00:24:48,164 --> 00:24:49,605
is, you know, if they have what we

705
00:24:49,605 --> 00:24:51,605
call a deep bite where their upper teeth

706
00:24:51,605 --> 00:24:54,004
are are way down over the when they're

707
00:24:54,004 --> 00:24:55,784
closed together covering their incisors,

708
00:24:56,325 --> 00:24:58,325
you know, your overbite should only be about

709
00:24:58,325 --> 00:25:00,909
one one to two millimeters. Okay? And so

710
00:25:00,909 --> 00:25:03,230
if a patient is is deep, then they're

711
00:25:03,470 --> 00:25:05,570
at at some point to open their airway,

712
00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:07,309
their brain is gonna send a signal. Okay.

713
00:25:07,309 --> 00:25:09,390
Let's let's move those lower teeth downward and

714
00:25:09,390 --> 00:25:11,250
forward against the backs of the upper teeth

715
00:25:11,470 --> 00:25:12,990
so that we can get the airway open

716
00:25:12,990 --> 00:25:14,349
and get and we can breathe through the

717
00:25:14,349 --> 00:25:16,210
nose, but we still have the teeth touching.

718
00:25:16,724 --> 00:25:18,325
And so what many patients will do is

719
00:25:18,325 --> 00:25:20,565
they'll do what we call a protrusive clenching,

720
00:25:20,565 --> 00:25:21,224
where they'll

721
00:25:21,684 --> 00:25:23,545
slide their mandible forward until

722
00:25:23,924 --> 00:25:26,085
their lower teeth come apart, you know, on

723
00:25:26,085 --> 00:25:28,105
the backs of their upper, front teeth.

724
00:25:28,460 --> 00:25:30,940
And there's a very common wear pattern that

725
00:25:30,940 --> 00:25:31,599
we see,

726
00:25:31,980 --> 00:25:34,220
especially like if folks have like porcelain crowns

727
00:25:34,220 --> 00:25:36,619
or veneers on their upper teeth. Porcelain's harder

728
00:25:36,619 --> 00:25:38,140
than tooth enamel, so we'll look at their

729
00:25:38,140 --> 00:25:39,900
lower teeth and they'll have one to two

730
00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:42,140
millimeters worn off of their lower incisors because

731
00:25:42,140 --> 00:25:43,660
they're wearing on that porcelain all the time

732
00:25:43,660 --> 00:25:46,035
on the upper arch. So it's it's really

733
00:25:46,035 --> 00:25:46,535
common.

734
00:25:47,394 --> 00:25:49,394
Do you actually have parents coming in and

735
00:25:49,394 --> 00:25:51,015
saying, my kid's not sleeping

736
00:25:51,714 --> 00:25:53,634
and we need you? Or is that an

737
00:25:53,634 --> 00:25:55,734
after effect where you say, hey.

738
00:25:56,035 --> 00:25:57,875
I noticed their teeth are doing this certain

739
00:25:57,875 --> 00:26:01,019
thing. Are your kids sleeping? And then reverse

740
00:26:01,019 --> 00:26:01,519
engineer.

741
00:26:02,059 --> 00:26:04,220
It's definitely the latter. They they don't it

742
00:26:04,299 --> 00:26:04,619
it's

743
00:26:05,259 --> 00:26:06,619
you know, again, that's why we're on this

744
00:26:06,619 --> 00:26:08,380
crusade to try to tell as many people

745
00:26:08,380 --> 00:26:09,660
as we can through whether it's through a

746
00:26:09,660 --> 00:26:12,075
podcast or a radio show or a or

747
00:26:12,075 --> 00:26:13,434
write a book or, you know, get on

748
00:26:13,434 --> 00:26:15,835
a morning, you know, local news somewhere and

749
00:26:15,835 --> 00:26:18,315
get the story out there because people just

750
00:26:18,315 --> 00:26:20,315
don't they don't understand that if their child

751
00:26:20,315 --> 00:26:22,394
is snoring, that that's a bad thing. You

752
00:26:22,394 --> 00:26:24,630
know, somebody one of the friends characters, I

753
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:25,990
can't remember which one, they had a snoring

754
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:27,750
there was a snoring episode. You know, we've

755
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:29,990
got, you know, the seven dwarves snoring, you

756
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:31,690
know, and and we make fun of it.

757
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:34,309
And, really, when somebody's snoring and and snoring

758
00:26:34,309 --> 00:26:36,890
loudly, it's it means they're struggling to breathe.

759
00:26:37,315 --> 00:26:39,075
So it's definitely the latter of those two

760
00:26:39,075 --> 00:26:41,154
things that you said. Usually, it's me trying

761
00:26:41,154 --> 00:26:43,394
to point out to the family, or, like,

762
00:26:43,394 --> 00:26:45,335
I'll have parents say, oh, no. My kid

763
00:26:45,394 --> 00:26:47,154
my kid sleeps really well because I I

764
00:26:47,154 --> 00:26:48,515
can't wake him up in the morning. Well,

765
00:26:48,515 --> 00:26:51,029
that's no. That's a problem because that means

766
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:52,869
they may have been awake all night tossing

767
00:26:52,869 --> 00:26:54,389
and turning. Now they finally got into a

768
00:26:54,389 --> 00:26:55,669
deep sleep right before it's time to get

769
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:57,429
up and go to school. The other thing

770
00:26:57,429 --> 00:26:59,190
that's very common is moms will say to

771
00:26:59,190 --> 00:27:01,269
me, oh, look. Little Timmy's got perfectly straight

772
00:27:01,269 --> 00:27:02,009
baby teeth.

773
00:27:02,674 --> 00:27:05,315
Well, that means crowding is on the way

774
00:27:05,315 --> 00:27:07,954
because the baby teeth are so tiny that

775
00:27:07,954 --> 00:27:10,115
we need space in between all the baby

776
00:27:10,115 --> 00:27:13,015
teeth. So perfect primary or baby tooth dentition

777
00:27:13,875 --> 00:27:14,375
has,

778
00:27:14,994 --> 00:27:17,250
space about the width of a dime, a

779
00:27:17,250 --> 00:27:19,910
US 10¢ coin in between all the teeth.

780
00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:21,730
So when these parents come in and they

781
00:27:21,730 --> 00:27:23,570
go, oh, look. We're so glad his the,

782
00:27:23,570 --> 00:27:25,589
you know, little Tommy's teeth are straight.

783
00:27:25,970 --> 00:27:27,410
It's like, oh, you know, we need to

784
00:27:27,650 --> 00:27:29,744
he he needs expansion, you know, right now

785
00:27:29,744 --> 00:27:32,625
because we've got these large anatomically large adult

786
00:27:32,625 --> 00:27:34,244
teeth that are gonna be coming in,

787
00:27:34,625 --> 00:27:35,904
and they wanna have plenty of room for

788
00:27:35,904 --> 00:27:37,445
them. We wanna get the foundation

789
00:27:38,305 --> 00:27:40,384
set up, you know, so that that those

790
00:27:40,384 --> 00:27:41,525
teeth can come in.

791
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:44,019
It was my understanding when I was younger

792
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,519
that your baby teeth fell out and then

793
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:50,019
your adult teeth grow in. And then

794
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,460
I saw a photograph

795
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,619
of a skull of a child,

796
00:27:54,325 --> 00:27:56,404
and it was they had their baby teeth,

797
00:27:56,404 --> 00:27:58,265
and then up above it were all these

798
00:27:58,884 --> 00:28:00,484
other teeth. And then I thought, am I

799
00:28:00,484 --> 00:28:00,984
being

800
00:28:01,285 --> 00:28:04,725
pranked? Is that a real person? Is that

801
00:28:04,725 --> 00:28:07,690
real? Yeah. It absolutely is real. And and

802
00:28:07,690 --> 00:28:09,210
I could show you thousands of X rays,

803
00:28:09,210 --> 00:28:10,430
you know, that just show

804
00:28:10,809 --> 00:28:12,730
those and it's so strange too because the

805
00:28:12,730 --> 00:28:15,690
baby teeth roots, they're really spread apart like

806
00:28:15,690 --> 00:28:16,910
on the molars because

807
00:28:17,369 --> 00:28:19,450
the bulb of that, what we call the

808
00:28:19,450 --> 00:28:21,150
crown of the tooth, is developing,

809
00:28:21,684 --> 00:28:24,244
you know, inside you know, in the confines

810
00:28:24,244 --> 00:28:26,164
of that baby tooth root, and it's really

811
00:28:26,164 --> 00:28:27,865
fascinating. But when you look at an X-ray,

812
00:28:28,005 --> 00:28:29,325
you know, it's just like, wow. Where are

813
00:28:29,325 --> 00:28:30,404
we gonna put all these teeth? You know,

814
00:28:30,404 --> 00:28:31,845
because there's a full set of baby teeth.

815
00:28:31,845 --> 00:28:33,605
And and then there are patients that even

816
00:28:33,605 --> 00:28:34,105
have

817
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:37,109
extra adult teeth. My brother, he had they

818
00:28:37,109 --> 00:28:39,190
called him shark teeth. He had two sets

819
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:42,150
of adult teeth. They'd pull all those adult

820
00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:44,250
teeth out the second set.

821
00:28:45,109 --> 00:28:47,349
Yeah. Yeah. And he had braces almost seven

822
00:28:47,349 --> 00:28:50,565
years. Poor thing. Oh, wow. Supposedly, Freddie Mercury

823
00:28:50,565 --> 00:28:52,744
was similar. He had lots of extra teeth.

824
00:28:53,045 --> 00:28:55,445
His teeth were huge. I have giant teeth

825
00:28:55,445 --> 00:28:55,945
also.

826
00:28:56,565 --> 00:28:58,404
I had a bunch pulled out. Yeah. And

827
00:28:58,404 --> 00:29:00,244
it it happens. I mean, I've seen I

828
00:29:00,244 --> 00:29:02,490
haven't seen anybody with that many extras, but

829
00:29:02,569 --> 00:29:04,329
I've seen many, many patients with one or

830
00:29:04,329 --> 00:29:05,789
two extra teeth that were,

831
00:29:06,410 --> 00:29:08,650
like wisdom teeth. I've seen patients with five

832
00:29:08,650 --> 00:29:10,809
wisdom teeth. And Oh, wow. And I had

833
00:29:10,809 --> 00:29:13,289
a a friend of mine whose whose son

834
00:29:13,289 --> 00:29:15,769
had two perfect lateral incisors on this side.

835
00:29:15,769 --> 00:29:17,525
He had had one on the other side

836
00:29:17,525 --> 00:29:19,125
too, but he had two I mean, I

837
00:29:19,125 --> 00:29:20,484
was like, which one do you want removed?

838
00:29:20,484 --> 00:29:21,684
Because we need we need to get rid

839
00:29:21,684 --> 00:29:23,525
of one of these. You know? So My

840
00:29:23,525 --> 00:29:26,164
friend, Jill, she was born without wisdom teeth.

841
00:29:26,164 --> 00:29:28,644
They never they weren't there. Yeah. I'd say

842
00:29:28,644 --> 00:29:30,724
about twenty percent of the population is born

843
00:29:30,724 --> 00:29:33,099
without them. I guess that's evolution. Right? Because

844
00:29:33,099 --> 00:29:34,539
we don't need them. They keep getting pulled

845
00:29:34,539 --> 00:29:35,200
out maybe.

846
00:29:35,579 --> 00:29:36,700
Yeah. I think it is,

847
00:29:37,019 --> 00:29:37,519
because,

848
00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:40,299
like, if there's a a a popular book

849
00:29:40,299 --> 00:29:42,640
in our circles that's written by an anthropologist

850
00:29:42,779 --> 00:29:44,000
named Robert Korosini,

851
00:29:44,460 --> 00:29:46,720
and he went back and and studied skulls,

852
00:29:46,779 --> 00:29:48,304
like, in in Africa,

853
00:29:48,684 --> 00:29:50,704
going several hundred years back.

854
00:29:51,164 --> 00:29:54,125
And the early skulls had 32 teeth, big,

855
00:29:54,125 --> 00:29:54,944
broad arches.

856
00:29:55,804 --> 00:29:57,585
And part of that is that

857
00:29:58,125 --> 00:30:00,144
turns out that breastfeeding is important

858
00:30:00,750 --> 00:30:02,990
because when a child breastfeeds, it's actually more

859
00:30:02,990 --> 00:30:05,309
of a biting motion or chewing motion than

860
00:30:05,309 --> 00:30:06,769
it is a suckling motion.

861
00:30:07,230 --> 00:30:08,769
So it helps their jaws,

862
00:30:09,230 --> 00:30:11,410
their gum tissue get tougher and their jaws

863
00:30:11,549 --> 00:30:12,494
open up more,

864
00:30:13,134 --> 00:30:16,015
and get wider. And so we don't see

865
00:30:16,015 --> 00:30:18,015
as much sleep apnea or sleep disordered breathing

866
00:30:18,015 --> 00:30:20,575
in Sub Saharan Africa because because of food

867
00:30:20,575 --> 00:30:23,694
insecurity and other things. They breastfeed the children

868
00:30:23,694 --> 00:30:26,990
there almost up until age five. And so,

869
00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:29,130
see a lot better growth and development there

870
00:30:29,130 --> 00:30:30,650
than we do in The US. And you

871
00:30:30,650 --> 00:30:32,569
probably remember too, when we were kids, there

872
00:30:32,569 --> 00:30:33,849
might have been one other kid on our

873
00:30:33,849 --> 00:30:35,849
block that got braces. Well, now it's, you

874
00:30:35,849 --> 00:30:37,930
know, everybody, you know? So it's like there's

875
00:30:37,930 --> 00:30:40,744
so much, so much crowding now compared. Plus

876
00:30:40,744 --> 00:30:43,565
we're seeing, like, jaws so small that

877
00:30:44,505 --> 00:30:46,424
a 14 year old child will have really

878
00:30:46,424 --> 00:30:49,404
well developed wisdom teeth that almost traps their

879
00:30:49,785 --> 00:30:53,224
their 12 year molars from erupting because their

880
00:30:53,224 --> 00:30:54,525
jaws are so small

881
00:30:54,849 --> 00:30:56,869
and the teeth are developing earlier,

882
00:30:57,649 --> 00:30:58,849
and then we end up with, you know,

883
00:30:58,849 --> 00:31:00,069
some pretty severe crowding.

884
00:31:01,009 --> 00:31:03,250
You wrote a book, What Happens When Your

885
00:31:03,250 --> 00:31:05,970
Child Doesn't Sleep. We did. Let's get into

886
00:31:05,970 --> 00:31:07,494
that a little bit. I wish it was

887
00:31:07,494 --> 00:31:08,855
out or out yet. I mean, it was

888
00:31:08,855 --> 00:31:10,775
supposed to be out November 30. This is

889
00:31:10,775 --> 00:31:12,855
publishing for you, right, in 2024. Here we

890
00:31:12,855 --> 00:31:13,174
are way

891
00:31:13,894 --> 00:31:15,974
still still waiting on the final edits to

892
00:31:15,974 --> 00:31:17,575
be done. But, yeah, we did write a

893
00:31:17,575 --> 00:31:20,375
book. Brian Ferry and myself, Brian tragically lost

894
00:31:20,375 --> 00:31:22,474
a loved one to, sleep apnea.

895
00:31:23,069 --> 00:31:25,390
His wife, about nine years ago, passed away

896
00:31:25,390 --> 00:31:26,529
with two sleep apnea

897
00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:29,730
machines in the plastic underneath her bed. Never

898
00:31:29,869 --> 00:31:33,250
could get a tolerator CPAP machine, which is

899
00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:35,869
the story of most US adults. Only four

900
00:31:35,869 --> 00:31:37,950
in ten people can tolerate wearing a CPAP

901
00:31:37,950 --> 00:31:38,414
machine.

902
00:31:38,815 --> 00:31:40,335
And really all it does is treat the

903
00:31:40,335 --> 00:31:42,575
symptom. You know, it helps you get air

904
00:31:42,575 --> 00:31:44,975
through your nose so your mouth can close

905
00:31:44,975 --> 00:31:46,414
and you can breathe and you can rest.

906
00:31:46,414 --> 00:31:48,734
And it does work, but it's treating the

907
00:31:48,734 --> 00:31:49,795
symptom, you know,

908
00:31:50,095 --> 00:31:51,855
and the greater problem or the root cause

909
00:31:51,855 --> 00:31:53,955
of the problem is narrow jaws.

910
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:55,210
And

911
00:31:55,589 --> 00:31:57,349
so, you know, we're developing new ways to

912
00:31:57,349 --> 00:31:58,869
treat that all the time. But, yeah, we

913
00:31:58,869 --> 00:32:00,089
wanted to write the book

914
00:32:00,630 --> 00:32:02,470
so that, you know, we can address some

915
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:04,549
of these issues that kids have because they're

916
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:06,869
and it's not really about lack of oxygen

917
00:32:06,869 --> 00:32:09,289
to the brain. Your brain can survive

918
00:32:10,384 --> 00:32:12,085
a surprisingly long time

919
00:32:12,544 --> 00:32:13,845
with diminished oxygen.

920
00:32:14,384 --> 00:32:16,325
It it's really about the sleep

921
00:32:16,625 --> 00:32:17,125
and

922
00:32:17,504 --> 00:32:19,504
being able to breathe through their nose well

923
00:32:19,504 --> 00:32:22,065
enough to get restorative sleep. So they feel

924
00:32:22,065 --> 00:32:22,565
good.

925
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,539
They're able to concentrate.

926
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,380
And so we see things improving, like bedwetting

927
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,200
goes away when we can breathe through our

928
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,140
nose properly. If I give

929
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:33,580
10 kids

930
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,799
that are bedwetting, ten seven year olds that

931
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:37,240
are bedwetting, if I put one of these

932
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,539
appliances in their mouth,

933
00:32:38,974 --> 00:32:40,914
seven of them will stop bedwetting tonight.

934
00:32:41,535 --> 00:32:43,634
I mean, it's really dramatic, the connection

935
00:32:44,414 --> 00:32:47,634
between proper nasal breathing and, you know, systemic,

936
00:32:48,174 --> 00:32:48,674
pathology

937
00:32:49,375 --> 00:32:49,875
pathophysiology.

938
00:32:51,055 --> 00:32:54,700
Talking about that sleep apnea, this tragic way

939
00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:57,119
to pass away, and I know it's

940
00:32:57,980 --> 00:32:59,900
it's not like it's every day, but it's

941
00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:02,619
also not that uncommon. I read about that

942
00:33:02,619 --> 00:33:04,000
as well, that apnea

943
00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:04,880
claims

944
00:33:05,505 --> 00:33:08,144
otherwise seemingly healthy people. And it's I think

945
00:33:08,144 --> 00:33:11,605
people have this connotation, oh, if you're morbidly

946
00:33:11,664 --> 00:33:12,484
over obese,

947
00:33:12,945 --> 00:33:14,865
then you don't have sleep apnea. But you

948
00:33:14,865 --> 00:33:17,765
can be incredibly fit and have sleep apnea.

949
00:33:17,984 --> 00:33:20,820
A %. And it's it's such an interesting

950
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:23,920
idea to think, okay, maybe that's why I

951
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,600
didn't get a good night's sleep last night

952
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,360
is because my mouth was open during the

953
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,580
night instead of closed.

954
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,100
But you know, on

955
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,240
this might gross out some people, but some

956
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,320
mornings when I wake up and my lips

957
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:34,980
are actually

958
00:33:35,524 --> 00:33:37,784
shut, sealed, shut from saliva or whatever.

959
00:33:38,085 --> 00:33:40,565
And on those mornings, when I wake up

960
00:33:40,565 --> 00:33:42,664
like that, when my lips won't open

961
00:33:43,044 --> 00:33:44,184
until I physically

962
00:33:44,484 --> 00:33:45,144
do that,

963
00:33:45,524 --> 00:33:47,065
I have the best sleep.

964
00:33:48,529 --> 00:33:50,210
Yeah. Well and we can all tell. You

965
00:33:50,210 --> 00:33:52,950
know, when we get really good restorative sleep,

966
00:33:53,089 --> 00:33:55,089
it feels great. You wake up with a

967
00:33:55,089 --> 00:33:56,690
new lease on life that morning. Now you're

968
00:33:56,690 --> 00:33:58,149
thinking, okay. This is awesome.

969
00:33:58,529 --> 00:34:00,230
And imagine if you were

970
00:34:00,684 --> 00:34:01,505
six years

971
00:34:01,805 --> 00:34:03,565
old and you hadn't had a good night's

972
00:34:03,565 --> 00:34:04,545
sleep in

973
00:34:05,005 --> 00:34:05,505
forever.

974
00:34:06,125 --> 00:34:08,684
I mean and we have little kids every

975
00:34:08,684 --> 00:34:10,864
day that we're waking up

976
00:34:11,164 --> 00:34:13,105
in the morning. We're trying to get them

977
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:15,089
to wake up and feed them and get

978
00:34:15,089 --> 00:34:17,170
them to school and help them thrive in

979
00:34:17,170 --> 00:34:19,889
an environment where, you know, they're falling asleep

980
00:34:19,889 --> 00:34:22,849
all day or they're unable to focus because

981
00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:25,650
they haven't had adequate rest. Or teenagers who

982
00:34:25,650 --> 00:34:27,109
all they wanna do is sleep.

983
00:34:27,835 --> 00:34:29,835
That. Yeah. Or they're although they wanna sleep

984
00:34:29,835 --> 00:34:32,394
during the daytime because they're almost nocturnal. They're

985
00:34:32,394 --> 00:34:33,994
looking at a screen late at night or

986
00:34:33,994 --> 00:34:35,835
they're, you know, they're playing a video game

987
00:34:35,835 --> 00:34:38,074
or something. So, yeah, it's it's just so

988
00:34:38,074 --> 00:34:39,055
important. And

989
00:34:39,449 --> 00:34:40,730
and so that's, you know, that's why we

990
00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:42,010
wrote the book is to try to help

991
00:34:42,010 --> 00:34:43,609
people be aware of what some of these

992
00:34:43,609 --> 00:34:45,130
signs and symptoms are and what are some

993
00:34:45,130 --> 00:34:46,809
of the things that we can help, you

994
00:34:46,809 --> 00:34:49,289
know, by by getting some expansion in the

995
00:34:49,289 --> 00:34:50,190
jaws and creating

996
00:34:50,489 --> 00:34:52,409
bigger smiles so we get better breathing through

997
00:34:52,409 --> 00:34:54,554
the nose and better sleep. And how does

998
00:34:54,554 --> 00:34:55,934
apnea kill people?

999
00:34:56,554 --> 00:34:57,054
Well,

1000
00:34:57,675 --> 00:34:59,594
many times, you know what's the number one

1001
00:34:59,594 --> 00:35:00,974
killer in The United States?

1002
00:35:01,675 --> 00:35:04,734
Now fentanyl, but then maybe heart attack?

1003
00:35:05,114 --> 00:35:07,940
Heart attack is still number one. So heart

1004
00:35:08,260 --> 00:35:10,440
and but when do most heart attacks happen?

1005
00:35:11,619 --> 00:35:12,359
At night?

1006
00:35:12,739 --> 00:35:13,400
At night.

1007
00:35:14,019 --> 00:35:16,739
And so what's really happening is is someone's

1008
00:35:16,739 --> 00:35:19,159
having respiratory arrest and then their heart fails.

1009
00:35:19,974 --> 00:35:20,474
And

1010
00:35:20,775 --> 00:35:23,175
so that's what's so significant about my my

1011
00:35:23,175 --> 00:35:25,734
buddy Brian's wife is that it's very rare

1012
00:35:25,734 --> 00:35:27,894
for a coroner to say that someone died

1013
00:35:27,894 --> 00:35:29,514
of complications of sleep apnea

1014
00:35:30,214 --> 00:35:32,855
because usually it's it's a heart issue or

1015
00:35:32,855 --> 00:35:33,894
it's it's a,

1016
00:35:35,099 --> 00:35:36,160
oxygen saturation

1017
00:35:36,539 --> 00:35:39,119
problem. You know, it's it's respiratory arrest,

1018
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:41,740
you know, which is you know, that's very

1019
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:43,340
closely tied to to,

1020
00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:46,720
sleep apnea. But what happens is,

1021
00:35:47,304 --> 00:35:48,985
it's actually how we measure it in a

1022
00:35:48,985 --> 00:35:51,265
sleep study. When we see somebody who says,

1023
00:35:51,265 --> 00:35:52,585
you know, it's one of the questions that

1024
00:35:52,585 --> 00:35:54,265
we ask our patients when they come in

1025
00:35:54,265 --> 00:35:55,784
for checkups in the dental office. You know,

1026
00:35:55,784 --> 00:35:57,704
do you how how do you sleep? And

1027
00:35:57,704 --> 00:35:58,744
they go, well, why do you care? You

1028
00:35:58,744 --> 00:36:00,105
know? So it's the first thing they say,

1029
00:36:00,105 --> 00:36:00,765
you know?

1030
00:36:01,070 --> 00:36:02,510
And it's like, well, because, you know, we

1031
00:36:02,510 --> 00:36:04,909
can help sometimes if we know some and

1032
00:36:04,909 --> 00:36:06,510
and I'll I'll ask patients, when's the last

1033
00:36:06,510 --> 00:36:08,030
time you woke up woke up and felt

1034
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:09,889
really rested? And they'll say, I can't remember.

1035
00:36:10,510 --> 00:36:11,949
And so we start to look and I

1036
00:36:12,030 --> 00:36:13,389
and when they have all these signs and

1037
00:36:13,389 --> 00:36:15,005
symptoms of of apnea.

1038
00:36:15,304 --> 00:36:16,904
First of all, you know, many of them

1039
00:36:16,904 --> 00:36:19,885
have insurance, so we wanna try the CPAP

1040
00:36:20,184 --> 00:36:22,505
pathway first. You know? Many of them want

1041
00:36:22,505 --> 00:36:24,184
to do that because they have insurance that'll

1042
00:36:24,184 --> 00:36:25,864
pay for it. So we start there, and

1043
00:36:25,864 --> 00:36:27,464
hopefully they're able to tolerate it. And if

1044
00:36:27,464 --> 00:36:29,239
they're not, then we look into, you know,

1045
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,239
their you're you know, and that's another misnomer

1046
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:31,980
that's out

1047
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,059
there. You know, medical insurance,

1048
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:36,859
once a patient has tried a CPAP machine,

1049
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,319
will pay for a dental appliance. If you

1050
00:36:39,319 --> 00:36:40,760
say, I don't like this thing. It makes

1051
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:41,659
me feel claustrophobic.

1052
00:36:42,039 --> 00:36:43,875
I can't tolerate it. It doesn't work.

1053
00:36:45,235 --> 00:36:46,994
Then your doctor can sign a letter saying

1054
00:36:46,994 --> 00:36:48,195
I'd like for them to have an oral

1055
00:36:48,195 --> 00:36:49,875
appliance made. And that's part of the reason

1056
00:36:49,875 --> 00:36:51,635
that there's so such a lack of knowledge

1057
00:36:51,635 --> 00:36:53,875
about this is because we have the doctors

1058
00:36:53,875 --> 00:36:55,795
who aren't trained anything about you know, much

1059
00:36:55,795 --> 00:36:57,840
at all about the oral complications of it.

1060
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,519
And we have dentists who don't know really

1061
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:02,000
much about sleep testing or sleep studies in

1062
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:02,660
a hospital.

1063
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,119
And so you got these two you know,

1064
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:07,280
it's like going to the podiatrist and asking

1065
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,480
them about a root canal. And they, you

1066
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:09,840
know, they they won't know anything about it.

1067
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,505
It's the same principle. You know, that's a

1068
00:37:11,505 --> 00:37:13,505
big part of the information exchange that we're

1069
00:37:13,505 --> 00:37:15,344
trying to trying to work through and and

1070
00:37:15,344 --> 00:37:17,204
get everybody together on the same page.

1071
00:37:18,704 --> 00:37:20,644
Are you doing outreach to

1072
00:37:21,105 --> 00:37:23,844
communities that do have a lack of insurance

1073
00:37:24,224 --> 00:37:25,204
to try and get

1074
00:37:25,780 --> 00:37:27,380
them help as well, or is that the

1075
00:37:27,380 --> 00:37:28,200
next step?

1076
00:37:28,660 --> 00:37:30,740
Well, we're we're trying to get information out

1077
00:37:30,740 --> 00:37:32,700
to to anyone that can benefit from it.

1078
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:34,500
You know? And and a lot of times,

1079
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:36,900
it's it's not through the medical community. It's

1080
00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:38,039
through chiropractors

1081
00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:39,160
and

1082
00:37:39,815 --> 00:37:40,875
massage therapists

1083
00:37:41,255 --> 00:37:41,755
and

1084
00:37:42,135 --> 00:37:44,535
PTA chair people, you know, at the school

1085
00:37:44,535 --> 00:37:45,675
who've seen these,

1086
00:37:45,974 --> 00:37:46,474
you

1087
00:37:46,775 --> 00:37:49,275
know, so many kids getting referred for stimulant

1088
00:37:49,575 --> 00:37:52,155
treatment, you know, and medications that

1089
00:37:52,590 --> 00:37:54,670
you know? Because in in 2024,

1090
00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:56,269
I would want my seven or eight year

1091
00:37:56,269 --> 00:37:59,090
old child, I would wanna try everything before,

1092
00:37:59,230 --> 00:38:00,829
you know, we put them on some sort

1093
00:38:00,829 --> 00:38:03,230
of big pharma stimulant. You know? And not

1094
00:38:03,230 --> 00:38:05,309
that there aren't kids who can definitely benefit

1095
00:38:05,309 --> 00:38:07,094
from that, because I've seen those kids too

1096
00:38:07,335 --> 00:38:09,014
that have they've had a benefit from it,

1097
00:38:09,014 --> 00:38:10,855
and they've been able to use it for

1098
00:38:10,855 --> 00:38:12,534
a while. And then their doctors were wise

1099
00:38:12,534 --> 00:38:13,894
enough to wean them off of it as

1100
00:38:13,894 --> 00:38:15,594
they got older, and they're doing fine

1101
00:38:16,295 --> 00:38:17,014
now. But,

1102
00:38:17,734 --> 00:38:19,574
you know, it's it's pretty rare to see

1103
00:38:19,574 --> 00:38:21,894
that those drugs have a long term positive

1104
00:38:21,894 --> 00:38:22,394
impact.

1105
00:38:23,969 --> 00:38:26,050
I think again, I don't have children, so

1106
00:38:26,050 --> 00:38:27,650
I can't speak to this. But I think

1107
00:38:27,650 --> 00:38:28,630
that for adults,

1108
00:38:29,650 --> 00:38:31,969
if we all there's so many devices out

1109
00:38:31,969 --> 00:38:34,210
there now that track your sleep and your

1110
00:38:34,210 --> 00:38:34,710
oxygenation

1111
00:38:35,010 --> 00:38:36,769
levels and how and your deep sleep and

1112
00:38:36,769 --> 00:38:38,445
your REM sleep and all this stuff.

1113
00:38:39,405 --> 00:38:41,085
And as somebody that has one of those

1114
00:38:41,085 --> 00:38:41,585
devices,

1115
00:38:42,204 --> 00:38:42,704
I

1116
00:38:43,005 --> 00:38:43,905
am shocked

1117
00:38:44,525 --> 00:38:46,684
at what I didn't know about when I

1118
00:38:46,684 --> 00:38:48,545
was sleeping, what I assumed

1119
00:38:49,244 --> 00:38:51,164
just because I closed my eyes at midnight

1120
00:38:51,164 --> 00:38:52,545
and woke up at eight,

1121
00:38:52,869 --> 00:38:54,869
that I somehow got a good night's sleep

1122
00:38:54,869 --> 00:38:57,050
even though I would be not functioning

1123
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:58,969
great the next day

1124
00:38:59,269 --> 00:39:01,130
to see the difference and say,

1125
00:39:01,589 --> 00:39:04,070
oh my god. An an actual good night's

1126
00:39:04,070 --> 00:39:05,989
sleep where I'm getting deep sleep and REM

1127
00:39:05,989 --> 00:39:07,985
sleep and all of that. It's

1128
00:39:08,525 --> 00:39:10,785
night and day. No pun intended. It's

1129
00:39:11,164 --> 00:39:14,045
wild how different you feel. So I imagine

1130
00:39:14,045 --> 00:39:15,105
for a little kid

1131
00:39:16,045 --> 00:39:18,525
who's growing and the body's already using up

1132
00:39:18,525 --> 00:39:20,765
so much energy to do so many other

1133
00:39:20,765 --> 00:39:21,265
things,

1134
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,700
how much that would affect them.

1135
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,079
Oh, yeah. Well and and, of course, they

1136
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:28,160
even, depending on their age, need more sleep,

1137
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,960
you know, than an adult does. So, yeah,

1138
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,045
it's a huge factor for sure. Yeah. So

1139
00:39:34,045 --> 00:39:36,125
interesting. Tell people how they might find you

1140
00:39:36,125 --> 00:39:38,125
or reach out to you and and learn

1141
00:39:38,125 --> 00:39:41,005
more about this. Sure. I'm licensed in 12

1142
00:39:41,005 --> 00:39:42,605
states. So many of the folks that are

1143
00:39:42,605 --> 00:39:44,125
listening can be a patient of mine if

1144
00:39:44,125 --> 00:39:46,204
they wanna be. If you're interested in tooth

1145
00:39:46,204 --> 00:39:48,970
pillow for a child aged two to 12,

1146
00:39:48,970 --> 00:39:49,869
13, 14,

1147
00:39:50,730 --> 00:39:52,590
you can go to toothpillow.com.

1148
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:53,950
I'm licensed in

1149
00:39:54,329 --> 00:39:55,390
California and

1150
00:39:55,690 --> 00:39:57,849
Arkansas and Tennessee and New York and New

1151
00:39:57,849 --> 00:40:00,250
Jersey and Michigan and Florida. So, you know,

1152
00:40:00,250 --> 00:40:00,910
you can,

1153
00:40:01,434 --> 00:40:03,994
connect with me that way through the toothpillow.com

1154
00:40:03,994 --> 00:40:05,835
website, or you can come directly to my

1155
00:40:05,835 --> 00:40:08,494
website, which is doctorblaineleads.com.

1156
00:40:09,034 --> 00:40:10,875
And, you know, and you can find our

1157
00:40:10,875 --> 00:40:12,795
phone number there, call my staff. We can,

1158
00:40:12,795 --> 00:40:14,574
you know, we can treat you with telehealth

1159
00:40:14,635 --> 00:40:16,815
and and start directly from our office.

1160
00:40:17,250 --> 00:40:19,250
Or you can go to askdoctorleads.com,

1161
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:20,369
which is where you can find out more

1162
00:40:20,369 --> 00:40:22,389
information about the book and preorder the book.

1163
00:40:22,690 --> 00:40:24,769
Great. Thank you so much, doctor Leeds. I

1164
00:40:24,769 --> 00:40:27,170
really appreciate your time. Well, good to talk

1165
00:40:27,170 --> 00:40:29,324
with you, Susan. Thanks for having me. Yeah.

1166
00:40:29,324 --> 00:40:32,045
Absolutely. Maybe we'll get, some sleep out there

1167
00:40:32,045 --> 00:40:34,364
for people and at the very least, help

1168
00:40:34,364 --> 00:40:36,844
their jaws align in the right way. I'm

1169
00:40:36,844 --> 00:40:39,824
telling you what changed my life. I will

1170
00:40:39,964 --> 00:40:42,364
attest to the fact that me thinking I

1171
00:40:42,364 --> 00:40:44,909
had straight teeth and realizing that it was

1172
00:40:44,909 --> 00:40:46,750
a more of a jaw problem and and

1173
00:40:46,750 --> 00:40:48,050
just how the Invisalign

1174
00:40:48,989 --> 00:40:49,489
changed

1175
00:40:49,789 --> 00:40:50,289
everything.

1176
00:40:51,550 --> 00:40:54,690
Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for listening, everybody.

1177
00:40:55,070 --> 00:40:57,755
Thanks. Take care. Bye. Bye bye

1178
00:41:00,454 --> 00:41:02,454
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00:41:02,454 --> 00:41:04,694
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1181
00:41:05,494 --> 00:41:05,994
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1182
00:41:06,295 --> 00:41:06,795
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