Hey, humans. How's it going?
Susan Ruth here. Thanks for listening to another
episode
of Hey, Human podcast.
This is episode 447,
and my guest is Lisa Campion.
Lisa uses a combination of intuition,
energy healing Reiki, and therapeutic techniques as a
psychic counselor.
Born with the ability to see and hear
what others couldn't, she spent the first part
of her life trying to hide it from
the outside world until a chance encounter with
a guiding light and a few scary movies
changed how she saw herself and her place
in the world.
She's also the author of several books, and
by a weird coincidence,
I
recognized her name when her PR people reached
out to me, and I thought, why do
I know this person's name?
And I have one of her books. What
are the chances of that? Pretty interesting. Anyway,
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Lisa Campion, welcome to Hey Human.
Thanks, Susan. Thank you so much for having
me on your podcast.
Absolutely. It's a pleasure.
Tell me where you grew up. You're in
Rhode Island now. Correct? Yeah. I'm in Rhode
Island now, but I grew up just outside
of Boston. Born in the sixties to very
hippie parents.
And it was really good that I had
super hippie parents because I was born very
psychic. So I was one of those, like,
I'd see dead people kids,
and grew up in a really, really haunted
house
and really, you know, different world back then.
There were, you know, it was really hard
to be a psychic child.
I had to hide what I was experiencing.
I was seeing spirits. I was seeing colors
around people.
I would just sort of know things. And
my parents were like, oh, Lisa, you have
such a good imagination. You know?
I mean, they didn't drag me to the
church and throw holy water on me, which
I'm really grateful for that. But,
you know, I was like, what's happening? Why
can't it nobody else is experiencing this, and
what what's it all mean? What am I
supposed to do with it? So I spent
the first twenty years of my life trying
to figure out how to turn it off
and also pretend to be normal in public,
which I I have been scared at sometimes,
but not always.
You know?
So that's kind of my
my my strange story.
I imagine
I mean, East Coast, that is that's a
lot of death.
Yeah. For sure. I mean, Boston's an old
city, and, you know, the house I lived
in was like a 50 years old. And
they're just seeing a lot of life and
a lot of death.
Mhmm. Were there any
spirit or ghosts or and whatever you wanna
call it that were particularly
in tranced
by a child who could see them? Were
there did you have any favorites? Did you
have any that were no bueno?
There are some of both. So when I
was really little, I called them the gray
people.
And they would I just wake up in
the middle of the night and there'd be,
like, they'd be these gray people
around me. And I knew they were sad
or they were curious. And I knew that
if I
talk to them, they would, if I listen
to them really, they would feel better.
So I was like I was like five
years old and doing, like, ghost therapy in
my bedroom, you know? My favorite was a
one called Charlie,
and he just told me his name was
Charlie. He was there the whole time. My
other favorite was actually and this is sort
of a a funny
part of the story, a poignant part of
the story, is that
the reason that I was psychic in the
first place is that I had a twin
brother who died in utero.
And you know how, like, twinsies are connected,
like, psychically? Like, so he died. It's actually
my very first memory ever is his passing,
which I think happened probably around fourteen weeks
gestation. And it's weird to think you can
remember something that happened when you were just
a tiny little bundle of cells, but I
swear that I do.
And, and that, you know, he went over
to the other side, and
my psychic connection carried with him. So
it put me in a very strange position
of of understanding
and experiencing
death before I even knew life. That's, I
think, why I was born psychic. I know
that's why I was born psychic.
And so my very favorite
imaginary friend was my brother,
four, like, four years old or something. And
my mom,
she was like, who are you talking to,
honey? I was talking to him.
And I was like, oh, mom. I'm talk
I'm talking to my dead brother, William. I
remember, like, she was holding this glass and
she dropped the glass and the glass scatter
shattered everywhere. She, like, ran screaming out of
the room. Like,
you know? And my dad my dad's name
was Bill. Every everyone called him Bill, but
his name was William. And I know if
my parents had had a son, they would
have called him William. I didn't know that
when I was four. I know that, you
know, now.
So
I think that's that was sort of my
favorite was Charlie the ghost and my brother
William, who was my imaginary friend for my
whole childhood.
I often wonder about the kids who speak
of imaginary friends if, in fact, they're seeing
ghosts or imprints.
Ghosts, imprints, spirit guides, angels.
You know, I think we all have a
spirit team around us, and that everyone has
a unique team, and children are very,
like you said, is very attractive to spirits.
Like, psychic all children are psychic, some more
than others. Just kind of are still close
to the other realm. We still remember what
it's like when we were over there. And
if you're a psychic child, you just sort
of, like, light up, like, the astral plane,
like a little light bulb and curious spirits
will come in and try to get messages
or just like, oh, look at that beautiful
little light over there. Look at Susan glowing
like a little light bulb over there.
And they come around and,
with curiosity. So I think part of the
reason my house was so haunted was because
I was a ghost magnet like many psychic
children are. Do you think
that ghosts are
memories
of things? Do you think this they're people
that are stuck? What is your opinion of
that?
It's it's really like on an individual basis.
So there's definitely times when it's stuck energy
that's called residual energy.
And it happens when intense things happen.
Usually bad things happen in an environment and
that psychic energy, that physical energy of death
sort of stays inside the environment.
And we experienced that as a residual haunting.
So there's no actual spirit there, just the
memory of the event. Right?
And the feelings of the event. And then
sometimes there are actually spirits
who like the souls of humans who don't
make it across. And sometimes if they die
suddenly, they die
violent deaths
or sort of die outside their own timeline.
Like, I I feel like we have sort
of a time when we're supposed to die.
And if you die but, you know, it's
a crazy world and stuff happens down here
randomly. And when we die outside of our
time,
it we can get stuck. If we have
a lot of unresolved issues, if we have
tons of unresolved trauma,
we remain and that's really more of a
ghost, like what we think of as a
traditional ghost.
And, you know, I think you have to
kinda take it on a case by case
basis because it can be
it can be all different, you know, hauntings
can be all different kinds of things. Did
you find a mentor then that could help
you in this
gift?
I had a few really amazing experiences, like,
God bless my hippie parents,
who took me when I was 10 years
old to transcendental meditation. If they wanted to
learn it, they were hippies.
And
and I met Maharishi Yogi,
which
I had no idea who he was, but
that's incredible. Right? So my parents Wow. I
know. My parents went to the temple,
and they brought me there. And Maharishi, I
had no idea who he was.
He was speaking to us through a translator,
and he had to give this long speech.
And,
then he brought everybody back to the back
this back room, and he did like a
like initiation, like Shaktipat, you know, Darshan, and
and would give you a mantra to do.
And then he was talking to me through
the translator, and he was kinda like blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah. And then
he really looked at me, and he was
like, oh, honey. I'm so sorry.
You really have a gift, and,
you know, your child was just kinda kinda
suck. If you had been born in my
country, we would know what to do with
you. But
because America is basically spiritually bankrupt, you're just
out of luck. But you gotta hang in
there because you're gonna help a lot of
people when you get older.
And I was like, oh my god. Like,
some adult, like, sets noticed and said something
to me as the first one.
I remembered it forever. And then when I
went to college and studied comparative religion, I
figured out who he was. I was like,
holy moly. That was Maharishi Yogi, the founder
of transcendental meditation, who actually said that to
me.
Totally nuts. And but it wasn't until the
nineteen eighties, I was in college. It was
the dawn of the new age that I
I you know, there were books, there were,
you know,
workshops. And that's where I found a real
couple of really amazing teachers, a shaman. I
studied shamanism when I was young and and
a channeler. You know, it really taught me
how to do the channeling thing. And also
my hippie parents took me to when I
was in high school to this thing called
back when it was called the Silva Mind
Control. Now it's called the Silva method
and it's,
fantastic training for psychics.
So, they teach you how to meditate. They
talk about spirit guides. They talked about how
to shift your brain wave into alpha state
so that you can get psychic messages and
intuition on demand, which is something that I
do every use every day when I do
session work. So I feel like even though
there were some really serious challenges that I
went through, I was also blessed with these
like white extraordinary,
you know, gifts of learning and mentors and
teachers right really when I needed it.
Does your brother still talk with you?
Yeah. Yeah. He does. He's one of my
one of my best and favorite spirit guides.
And,
I'm super grateful to have him around. Never
feel lonely when you have that kind of
connection with your spirit team.
Did you
decide at a young age then as you're
going through these courses
to devote your life to this, or did
that come later?
No. It came right away. And I started
working as a professional psychic when I was
19, and I really have never done anything
else. It's been except write books and stuff
and be a mom. But that,
that was it. And it really happened when
I was probably like 12 or 13, and
I went to see the movies, and I
I went to see the movie Poltergeist in
the movie theater that came out. And there's
this, scene, you know, where there's a psychic,
a professional psychic.
And I was like, looking at the screen,
like, oh my God, you can do that.
I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do and
I just knew in that moment, that's what
I was gonna do. And and then she
said this thing about, like,
you know, what happens when you die and
why some people get stuck, why their her
house was haunted, built on the, you know,
in, Native American burial ground. And I was
like, oh my God, somebody knows something. Like
she gave an explanation about what, what, what
was going on. And it started sort of
this lifelong love affair I have with paranormal
TV, ghost stories, movies. Started
seeing, I couldn't find any information. So I
just started watching every ghost movie ever made.
So I could glean like little facts from
it and try to figure out what's going
on. And, you know, because it's Hollywood, like,
maybe 25% of it was accurate, and the
rest of it was, you know, Hollywood, you
know, entertainment
stuff.
So I got kind of a wonky, as
a child, a wonky paranormal education, but over
time it, you know, I figured it out.
Poltergeist is such an interesting film because there
were the deaths around it. Yes. So wild.
Did you experience
other people in your family with this gift?
Because I believe this sort of thing is
genetic a lot of times.
Did you find out later that you're in
a line of others?
Absolutely.
And definitely in the women in my family.
I think all the women in my family
are very
canny as my Irish grand grandmother called it.
You know, tuned into they're like super intuitive.
They're all healers, therapists, and,
you know,
drawn to the healing arts for sure.
Mine gift was a little more extreme partly
be you know, because of what happened with
my brother, but I also feel like that
happened on purpose to kind of give me
the the life purpose that I was meant
to have. And I just
I was like,
probably six years old, I I used to
make little books.
What, you know, like, free books out of
paper. And I remember writing in one saying,
when I grew up, I was gonna be
a psychic and an author.
A psychic and a writer, and that's what
I did. So I just feel like I
was one of those people that came in
really aware of what I was meant to
do.
Never had a minute of doubt about it,
and I've really always done it.
When your press people contacted me, I I
thought, why do I know this name? Why
do I know this name?
Your books are quite popular.
Yeah. They are. And, my first book, The
Art of Psychic Reiki, is really popular. That
one came out in 02/2018,
and it it sold a lot. A lot
of people have read it. It makes me
really, really happy. I'm working on a new
one now. I keep writing them. I sort
of have a love hate relationship with writing,
but I always say, I I guess I
must love it more than I hate it
because I keep doing it. Mhmm. Because I
feel this drive to kind of impact more
people, help more people, and so many people
are undergoing psychic awakenings, psychic openings right now.
It has to do, I think, with the
shift in human consciousness that we're in. I
think it has to do with just the
general evolution of humanity.
Every generation is more psychic than the one
before.
And then we do things like we do
Reiki, we do yoga, we do meditation.
We maybe we do some plant medicine, and
we lick the tree frog or do some
Ayahuasca and all of a sudden our mind,
our mind expands. And even all the turmoil
that we're in in the world right now
opens people psychically.
You have like a near death ex experience
like I did, whether it's yourself or somebody
close to you passes away. Those things open
us. And I see so many people. It's
sort of one of my specialties actually is
working with people that are undergoing psychic sudden
psychic openings.
They're psychic they wake up one day and
they're like, I'm like seeing things and there's
a ghost in my room. And I just,
it's overwhelming and frightening
to people who exude don't expect it or
don't know what it is or don't believe
believe it's possible. You know, that that's not
really a thing.
And I know how hard it was for
me to go through that alone. And I
feel really passionately about helping other people who
are undergoing that to go through a no
more graceful way than I did.
You know, I can help people do that.
That's a really good day for me.
Is your mom still with us?
She is. Yeah. She's 85, and she has
Alzheimer's. So she lives in a care home.
Mhmm.
But she is still around. Yeah.
Did she
as she watched you come into your gifts,
did she then acknowledge her own?
I think so. I feel I feel like
dad was even more,
into that, like, really into channeling, and he
took classes, and then both my parents were
meditators.
My dad loved channeling, and he would do
it. And sometimes my mom would too. I
feel like somehow my parents'
my journey
sparked theirs
in a really beautiful way. So I really
always felt so supported by my family. I
was so lucky.
What do you make of the tumult
that is in the world right now, especially
United States?
I feel like we're in a deconstruction
cycle.
And as painful and scary as it is,
it's a natural part of the evolutionary process
of life.
Things
grow, things are born, things grow, things die.
You know, countries are born, countries grow, countries
fall apart.
And I think we're just in a cycle
where and I think it's a global cycle
where the old, old, or, you know, we're
in this massive, if you know anything about
astrology, this massive like shift in the planets
and kind of coming out of the age
of Pisces into the age of Aquarius
and all the old structures that we built
don't work in it. Like everything's broken,
You know? The government's broken. Money's broken. Health
care's broken. People are broken. Our people are
everything's our society is broken. And I think
I'm sorry to say sort of irretrievably
broken.
And that this is like this deconstruction is
like the forest fire.
You know, that comes through and like burns
the forest down and things grow,
that's a natural part of
what happens to all life.
And my hope is that we
can,
rebuild when it's time to do the rebuilding,
which we already are starting, that we can
rebuild at a higher level of beauty, harmony,
and order because that's also part of the
evolutionary cycle. I think too, it's a time
when people realize
that they have taken much for granted of
the beauty and the hope and the love
and the this and the that and the
support. And,
you know, we become numb to
the world at large,
and this is certainly a way to shake
us awake,
earthquake style.
Yes. Forest fire style, earthquake style, and
and no nobody likes it. It's super uncomfortable.
We don't like change. We don't like to
let go of it. It's a w. You
know? You know? And,
and I think all us healer types that
are here on the planet now are here
to assist people,
other people through the difficulty and fear of
that change. And, you know, of course, there's
terrible things happening to people with war and
weather and fire fires, you know, literal forest
fires. We don't like that. We don't you
know, nobody wants to see anybody suffer,
you know, through that. And
I think the healers are here to help.
And I know like, my kids are young
adults, and I really believe that they're part
of the re reconstruction
team. You know, that they're gonna build I
have a lot of hope for humanity when
I look at young people. It makes me
feel hopeful that
they'll make better decisions about stewarding
ourselves and caretaking the world. And, I mean,
I really think we we have the technology.
We have the resources to solve every problem.
Nobody needs to be hungry. There's enough food,
water, shelter, money for everyone on the planet.
And if we if we would choose to
do that, I don't know why we don't
choose to do that, but we don't. And
Ego. The leaders feeling like their their power
is never enough and that money is never
enough. I think as long as that takes
precedent over humanity,
we
we won't get there, and that's unfortunate.
Yeah. And and I still feel like
I'm still hopeful that, you know, the younger
generations will
redistribute
the power. And, I mean, it just if
you look at history when too much money
and resources gets in the hands of too
few people, there's always revolution.
Yeah.
Viva la France. Yeah. Hopefully, what happens hopefully,
it's peaceful
and calm, but
I don't know. Yeah. I don't know either.
It's it we as they say, we live
in interesting times, and
on one hand,
I can get pretty frothy about it. But
then there's also this weird
sense of calm that I have, and that
is inexplicable because there's no reason I should
be calm. And yet,
I have this
grounded
feeling about it.
And And whenever anybody call I get a
lot of calls, a lot of texts and
things from people,
and they're upset and freaking out. And I
all I always say the same thing. I
said, stand up.
Fight for what you believe in. And that's
the only I know what to say. You
know, fight for what you believe in. Whatever's
in your heart, fight for that. And
yet, at the same time, I'm like, it's
gonna be okay. It's everything is burning down,
but it's gonna be okay. And it's such
a weird
thing going on in my brain about it.
But it's not even my brain. It's like
a it's a knowing.
You know what? I think, like, for me,
like, I experienced that as what they call
faith.
Not in a religious way, because I'm not
particularly
religious.
But
more faith is for me the feeling of,
or trust or belief that there's a pattern
going on, a purpose that's way bigger than
I'll ever be able to figure out. But
I have the faith comes in that I
trust
that the universe is unfolding as it should.
You know? And even though it's painful, it's
not wrong that that we're in this breakdown
cycle. And so for me, the faith is
it's gonna be alright. Like, I'm in the
same place you are. Somehow, I I really
believe in humanity. I really believe in the
resilience and of humans in the in the
basic goodness
of people.
You know, not everybody and there are definitely
some bad bad seeds in the world and
people have, you know, have hard circumstances.
They, you know, they have to do hard
things. But I still believe in the the
basic goodness of humanity, and and that I
think as humans, we come together the best
when we're
really
that, you know,
have our backs to the wall. I live
in New England,
and where I've always lived here, we're kind
of an ordinary bunch.
Like, we're kind of you know, especially compared
to sunny California where everybody smiles at you.
In New England, we're a bit more surly.
But if
if stuff goes down, we there there's this
feeling of, like, everybody has like, god help
anybody who ever tried to invade New England,
that would not go well for them. Oh,
I don't think it would go well for
in California either.
I To be honest?
Like we have this sort of like, we're
we're in this together, we have each other's
backs. And I just feel like humanity is
like that. Mhmm. Things get in the way
of that, but really that's what's in our
hearts. Coming together to help other people. And
that gives me a lot of that faith
in humanity. That's what I have, faith in
humanity. And faith in the bigger pattern that
I don't understand.
I mean, I love humans, but also I'm
sick of our shit. Yeah. I'm both. I'm
both those things. I mean, that's the duality
of living, I suppose.
Tell me about the Quantum Mystic Mystery
School. Yeah. So I I teach this is
the first year I ran this mystery I
did teach in a mystery school for fifteen
years.
Well, that was more about teaching training people
to do healings.
And then I started a mystery school with
my friend, Jane Bear.
And it's really about it's a consciousness,
program. So it's really there to help people
raise their consciousness and become more aware, more
awake.
We use the chakra system as a lens
to look at ourselves through,
and really
see, like,
look at our wounding, do a a lot
more healing,
raise our vibration, raise our frequency, and old
tiny psych psychic teachers call that clearing the
channel.
You know, like you have to get all
your
stuff out of the way, so you can
see clearly, and
see the world better. And that's really what
we do.
It's pretty cool. We we also bring in
a lot of sort of fifth dimensional elements,
quantum healing.
I've been a Reiki practitioner for
twenty six years now. I started learning learning
and teaching Reiki in 1999.
I've trained thousands of people in energy healing
modalities during that since then.
And I don't know, about five years ago,
I started realizing when I was working with
people, I wasn't doing Reiki. I was doing
this other thing.
And I'm like, what is that? It's and
it's quantum healing or dimensional healing. It has
a lot of different names.
But old school old school Reiki is sort
of like vibrational healing.
So it's using vibration whether you're talking about
sound healing or Reiki or homeopathy or gems
or crystals, all those things.
And quantum healing is really working with light.
So working with light frequencies, photonic light, and
the healing is much, much quicker. And I
I think
we called it the Quantum Mystic Mystery School
to kind
of tag into this idea of the acceleration
of human consciousness that we're in. And I
feel like as humans, we have,
we have an opportunity
to vastly
quantum leap our evolution
by studying consciousness.
And,
what is consciousness? How do we become more
conscious? And doing all our school is a
lot of, the foundation is spiritual practice.
So we really, like, rest on meditation techniques.
We encourage our students to meditate every day.
That really helps with
waking up fully, you know, even more fully.
Are you in the camp that believes everyone
has this ability or the camp that believes
not everyone has it? Definitely in the camp
of believing everybody.
My third book is called,
it's called Awakening Your Psychic Abilities, and I
really think that psychic is an ability like
musical ability and athletic ability.
Everybody has some, and it's a matter of
training and practice and how much time you're
gonna some people have more than others, but
everybody has some. And when you look at
professional psychics, it's like looking at a professional
athlete or a professional musician.
We don't we know those people
put their time in. They practice, they practice,
they practice. That's what they do. And it's
the same for psychic stuff and healers.
So if you're willing to do that, you're
willing to do the work of practice, anyone
can do it. Yeah. I'm in that camp
as well. I believe that everybody has that
gift. It's just like a muscle. You have
to work it out. And it's what, oh,
I have this intuition of this thing, or,
oh, I thought of this person they called.
That's all that's what that is. It's being
that's holding hands with the universe, and that's
what I call it. It's
being in the flow.
Yeah. Totally good. I love that. It's beautiful.
And and so we have that intuitive
sense. It's like our inner knowing,
you know, our
inner knowing connecting with our higher self and
what we know to be true that is
often at odds with what our mind tells
us. Mhmm. Like you meet somebody and your
mind's like, you should like that person. Everyone
else likes that person. And your intuition's like,
no. No. No. Yeah. We can't trust that
person. Like, and we all know what happens
when we when we ignore intuition. Right?
And then psychic ability is slightly different, just
the way I define it. So psychic ability
is when we get information from outside of
ourself.
That means we're talking to angels, spirit guides,
dead uncle Fred. You know,
we're we're receiving,
downloads or connections or course corrections from our
spirit team. I also think anyone can do
that if they're willing if they're willing to
practice.
Dead Uncle Fred and the Downloads is my
new band name.
That's a great band name.
Totally.
Yeah. I'm definitely coming to see you if
you play that.
How do you
and how do others how do you teach
others to protect themselves
when they are dipping their toes into these
types of
pawns?
Super, super, super important, and one of my
favorite topics.
So when I was young, I studied martial
arts, sort of because I mostly because I
wanted to when I was little, I wanted
to be a Jedi Knight.
I wanted to be a ninja.
Ah, right? Of course you did. But mostly
because I wanted to feel safe in the
world. You know? I want I love to
travel. I wanted to walk about the world
and feel safe and not be afraid. So
I studied martial arts. It really worked. And
I teach psychic self defense the same way.
It's kind of street smarts. You know? There's
a whole list of things you should not
do, like that,
that were are gonna put you in the
line of fire. And for the and there's
a list kind of, like, how do we
navigate psychic worlds with common sense and street
smarts?
And for the most part, like 80% of
the time, what we're defending ourselves against is
just the energy of other people.
And Lord knows that's hard. The more sensitive
you are, the more we are impacted by
other people.
Sometimes it's the spaces that we occupy. So
because I love to travel, you know, in
the Murphy's Law, they put this psychic in
the haunted Airbnb every single time. Haunted hotel
room, they're like, hey. We have this hotel
room for you. And they were, do you
mind if there was a triple homicide there
last week?
Of course, they give that room to me.
That actually happened to me once. You know?
So we need to as we get more
and more sensitive, we become more sensitive to
the environments that we are in. And then
sometimes we encounter
enter spirits that don't have our best interest
at heart. Like, what's in the haunted hotel
room? You know? And we need to we
just need a little spiritual kung fu for,
how do we handle that? It's really all
about boundaries, setting boundaries.
And once you know how to do that,
it works with people, it works with energy,
it works with it works with spirits, it
works with everything.
Yeah. So I,
this is a haunted hotel, a haunted hotel
story.
It happened not too long ago
where, oh my God, I was staying in
this hotel and I had this total
premonition that I was like, I was hearing
a woman screaming and I like woke up
out of bed in the middle of the
night and I swear I heard this woman
screaming. I was like all sweaty and shaky.
And And I was, like, was there a
woman in here? Is there, like, a dead
woman in here? Am I hearing that? And
then I couldn't settle down again. And then
maybe, like,
half an hour later, there was, like, a
domestic violence incident
down the hall from me. And the same
that same scream happened.
And they had to call the police and
all that kind of thing. It was like,
it felt like I was getting a little
forewarning of that happening.
I think precognition
is very common. It's a very common psychic
experience.
The most common precognition
is death. We we can sort of feel
like someone's gonna die.
Sometimes pregnancy too. And to me, it's kind
of like if you imagine a spider web
sitting at the a spider sitting at the
center of a big spider web, these big
events that sort of are coming, that kind
of like create a disturbance in the force,
if you will, tickle the outside edge of
the spider web, and when we're in the
center of it, we feel it.
So I have a lot of precognitive,
experiences that can be can be a little
unsettling.
Do you have that when major events,
like, say, the fires here in LA or
the floods that happened,
you know, in the in the South or,
the things like the tsunami
way back in the nineties, stuff like that.
Do you get
signals?
Yes. I do. The biggest one I got
was nine eleven.
Nine eleven, you know,
I mean, it was a big deal for
everybody. But for me, living in Boston, it
was a really big deal because those planes
came from Boston, and everybody knew somebody on
those planes. You know?
And and I would see, like, about six
months before it happened, I would see that
I would sit down to meditate, and I
would get this, like, silhouette of a city,
like a black cityscape with kind of like
a red mushroom cloud around it. And I
was like, is someone gonna drop a nuclear
bomb on a city?
Is I was like, I kinda knew it
was gonna happen in September, but my birthday's
in September and weird stuff always happens to
me around my birthday. And I'm like, maybe
I'm gonna get divorced. It was I was
I'm like, that bomb is gonna drop on
my life. I thought it was very personal.
I was like, oh, that's I'm like, what's
gonna happen to me? And then when it
actually happened, I was like, oh, now I
understand.
And I think a lot of times precognitive
things, I always I always say I put
them in sort of this imaginary file cabinet
I have in my head called the x
files.
I just, like, put them in there because
a lot of times we don't
we don't understand what the
what we're seeing means until after it's happened.
Mhmm. Yeah. Sometimes I've seen things that never
happen.
That I was like, oh, something bad's gonna
happen and then it doesn't.
Does that mean it almost did? Does that
mean it was just someone some slightly alternative
universe it did? Does it mean I I
was just having a bad day? Like, precognition's
tricky. So I tend not to
worry about it too much. I write it
in my journal and then I don't think
about it. Again, unless it happens and I'm
like, oh, yeah. Now I get it. Now
I get what that was. The Schumann resonance
spiked
the the night of that the night before
that happened. It's so interesting to me all
the stories
from that time.
It's like little kids who are begging their
parents not to go to work that day
or people that just they missed their flights
or missed their trains or cause they were
just sort of dawdling and they didn't have
any reason for dawdling. They just sort of
were poking around and that they're normally meticulous
in their time.
Those sorts of stories
are fascinating to me. And I know that
the naysayers
just chalk it all up to coincidence.
But I would argue that
even
those
who hands down do not believe in this
whatsoever
have had moments
of precognition
or intuition in their life at some point,
whether they call it that or not.
Everybody has precogn like, everybody has those intuitive
hits, and it can be like, I I
know people, like, who didn't get on the
plane in Boston, like, too. So, yeah, it's
I think that event created such a large
disturbance in the force
at so many people about that download. And
but the you know, it doesn't have to
be a big thing. Like,
we have intuitive
moments. You know, the first time you meet
somebody is a massive
intuitive intuition moment. And I think, like, sh
hand handshaking, especially if you touch the person,
we
receive, like, incredible amounts of intuitive information on
on first meetings, you know? And that's why
they say first impressions, like, because we're just
so accurate at assessing people
in what they say, like, nine seconds or
some kind of ridiculously short amount of time.
We formed an incredibly accurate
perception of somebody that's straight up intuition. That's
what that is. I think it's a combination
of that and also we without even realizing
it, our brain is cataloging
microexpressions
off the other person. I don't like shaking
hands.
I'm not a big fan.
Yeah.
For the people that meet and feel like
they've known each other their whole
lifetimes. I personally believe in reincarnation. I don't
know what you believe, but I believe in
that.
I think that soulmates, you know, like,
our soulmates are there's never just one. It's
kind of that
movie version of soulmates, but we have like
a soul family, a soul tribe of many
people that we've incarnated with over and over
again. And when we meet them, we have
that feeling of recognition of, like,
instant trust, instant bond, like, you know, that's
for real. And, you know, sometimes those are
really beautiful, supportive relationships. Sometimes they're really challenging
relationships that are here to teach us, but
they're always
impactful and change your life in some way.
Yeah.
What is your plan moving forward? How are
you navigating the next few years?
It's so funny. It's a funny place because,
like, on a sort of material level, I
feel like sort of simplifying
and
going back to nature. I'm like, maybe I
should get chickens. Maybe I should, you know,
time to grow a garden. Go get the
chickens right now. Wait till that bird flu
is done. But yeah.
Truth. Truth. Yeah. So, like, kind of this,
you know, I'm like becoming like my parents,
like back to the nature,
hippie
type. And at the same time, I'm really,
expanding my dedication
to impacting
people, you know, so writing more books, speaking
at conferences, I'm speaking at a big conference
in
Colorado. Some of the a listers in my
field
and feel really joyful about
I feel like there's like a group of
people who are are working together kind of
a soul group who are here to help
help people who want to wake up. Help
people
who want to,
you know,
who need help, who need assistance with that.
So it's sort of a funny
place to be where, you know, the world
is falling apart, but my my personal life
has never been better. My, you know,
I mean, that always happens to me when
the world gets tricky. My phone rings off
the hook because people need help.
Of course.
And and, and I feel really here for
that. Like, I that's what I'm here for
is to help.
And I feel joyful about it. So it's
kind of a weird sort of cognitive dissonance
that I carry. Like,
is it is it okay to be happy
and joyful when when people are when the
world's falling apart?
I mean, I think it is, but it's
weird. It's a weird place to be. And
I'm also pretty sure that the only thing
I I know, the only thing I can
actually control is my own state of consciousness.
And if I stay in a high vibe
and I'm happy and kind of holding the
light down on the planet, that might be
contributing
more than I think it is. Absolutely.
Happiness has its own resonance.
Yeah.
For sure. Tell people how they can find
you.
So you can find me at lisacampion.com
if you wanna check out my classes.
I teach Reiki online. I teach all levels
of psychic development from beginner to intermediate to
you wanna go pro and be a pro
psychic.
And I have a great YouTube channel with
lots of free stuff. You can find me
on all the socials.
My books are on every play you know,
Amazon, Barnes and Nobles. Any place you can
buy books. Yeah. I'm pretty sure I have
your books on my bookshelf,
but they're all packed right now. So
I'm like, why do I know her name?
Like, oh my god. I have one of
her books.
It's such an interesting world.
Yeah. That's awesome. Thank you so much for
being on the show and for talking about
this. I'm always
intrigued.
It's
you know, I was raised by somebody who's
very science minded and was very much
anti this kind of thing his whole life.
And the older he gets,
his his I think he's edging his bets.
But we've had these great deep conversations
about,
as you say, the quantum world and how
it is reflexive inside of the,
I don't even like to use the word
psychic because I think it turns a lot
of people off.
I like intuition,
energetic,
you know, this sort of quantum
time is fluid, all of that. I think
people
absorb it a little bit better. Psychic has
historically had a, she's a witch burner, you
know.
Totally. And I can attest to the audience
that Lisa does not have a carrot on
her nose right now. No. No carrot. No.
No witch. I I mean, I can be
pretty witchy, but,
yeah, psychic can be a lot of triggering
for a lot of people that have had
religious
upbringing or, you know, a a lot of
scammers these days. It's like everyone's getting, you
know, psychics who are trying to scam them.
And on social media, it's kinda sad. So
back when I first started, I never used
that word. It was a big deal for
me to publish a book with the word
psychic in the title. I felt like I
was really coming out of the closet
and and owning it. So Well, you bring
up a good point. On TikTok, it seems
like there are a bazillion,
astrologers and psychics.
How does one, for the listening audience, how
does one steer clear? How do they recognize
the real versus the not real?
Especially if everybody has it. Right? We that
we sort of that's that's the
the push pull. We say everybody's got this
gift,
but then not everybody has this gift. How
does one
assess?
I think it's such a good question, and
really doing some research, making sure making sure
somebody has a website,
like looking for reviews, do they have testimonials,
getting word-of-mouth
recommendation
is, I think, the best the best bet
that you have. Sad now, you know, it
happens to me like literally every day where
somebody duplicates my accounts,
my Facebook, Instagram
accounts, and
and then DMs everybody saying they're me, and
offering readings for
hardly any money. But if you send your
money to that, you know, you're you're never
gonna see it again.
So,
the scammers have taken over the psychic world
like crazy.
And then there are a lot of, like,
people who are have really good intentions, but
maybe not enough training.
And, you know, need to,
get better trained, get trained in some ethics.
So we, you know, nobody wants to hurt
anybody,
but they might if they don't have well
enough if good enough training. So if you've
got something like, well I had my first
experience, psychic experience yesterday, but today I'm seeing
clients,
that's probably not
cool. It's not like you can go to
psychic university and get a degree,
but, you know Actually, you can. There's one
in England. It's called the Albert Finlay School.
Yeah. And actually, there are there there are
quite a few that,
that have good, especially medium shift, you know.
But if you study with a reputable teacher,
take a class on the shift network, you
know, or somewhere where they screen their faculty
and, you know, you're getting the good the
good stuff.
I teach there sometimes, which is really fun.
So,
you know, I think you just have your
wits about you and make sure that you're
dealing with somebody that has a good reputation.
Yeah. Because it can you can fall prey,
certainly, because
I think that there is
a people who are seeking out that kind
of advice,
they tend to be of the more vulnerable.
Not everyone, but I think there is a
a swath of people who are certainly easily
taken advantage
of. Yes. And that's historically been true way
back in the day. We even when the
spiritualist movement
started,
you know, and there were a lot of
scammy Charlottan psychics who are taking taking advantage
of people who are, you know, bereaved bereaved.
And so I think we always have our
wits about us like any other thing that
we're doing. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, thank you, Lisa. Thank you for
sharing your time and your talents.
Thank you, Susan, for having me on your
podcast. I love your podcast. Oh, thanks. Thank
you so much. This is so good. I
just love your vibe and what you're doing
in the world. It's beautiful. Oh, thank you.
And thank you for listening, everybody.
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