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Hey, humans. How's it going?

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Susan Ruth here. Thanks for listening to another

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episode

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of Hey, Human podcast.

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This is episode 447,

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and my guest is Lisa Campion.

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Lisa uses a combination of intuition,

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energy healing Reiki, and therapeutic techniques as a

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psychic counselor.

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Born with the ability to see and hear

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what others couldn't, she spent the first part

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of her life trying to hide it from

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the outside world until a chance encounter with

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a guiding light and a few scary movies

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changed how she saw herself and her place

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in the world.

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She's also the author of several books, and

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by a weird coincidence,

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I

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recognized her name when her PR people reached

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out to me, and I thought, why do

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I know this person's name?

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And I have one of her books. What

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are the chances of that? Pretty interesting. Anyway,

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lovely conversation.

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Really enjoyed talking with Lisa. Check out heyhumanpodcast.com

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And thank you for listening. Be well. Be

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Be loved, and here we go.

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Lisa Campion, welcome to Hey Human.

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Thanks, Susan. Thank you so much for having

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me on your podcast.

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Absolutely. It's a pleasure.

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Tell me where you grew up. You're in

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Rhode Island now. Correct? Yeah. I'm in Rhode

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Island now, but I grew up just outside

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of Boston. Born in the sixties to very

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hippie parents.

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And it was really good that I had

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super hippie parents because I was born very

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psychic. So I was one of those, like,

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I'd see dead people kids,

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and grew up in a really, really haunted

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house

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and really, you know, different world back then.

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There were, you know, it was really hard

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to be a psychic child.

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I had to hide what I was experiencing.

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I was seeing spirits. I was seeing colors

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around people.

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I would just sort of know things. And

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my parents were like, oh, Lisa, you have

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such a good imagination. You know?

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I mean, they didn't drag me to the

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church and throw holy water on me, which

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I'm really grateful for that. But,

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you know, I was like, what's happening? Why

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can't it nobody else is experiencing this, and

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what what's it all mean? What am I

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supposed to do with it? So I spent

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the first twenty years of my life trying

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to figure out how to turn it off

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and also pretend to be normal in public,

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which I I have been scared at sometimes,

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but not always.

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So that's kind of my

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my my strange story.

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I mean, East Coast, that is that's a

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lot of death.

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Yeah. For sure. I mean, Boston's an old

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city, and, you know, the house I lived

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in was like a 50 years old. And

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they're just seeing a lot of life and

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a lot of death.

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spirit or ghosts or and whatever you wanna

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call it that were particularly

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in tranced

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by a child who could see them? Were

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there did you have any favorites? Did you

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have any that were no bueno?

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There are some of both. So when I

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was really little, I called them the gray

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people.

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the middle of the night and there'd be,

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like, they'd be these gray people

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around me. And I knew they were sad

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or they were curious. And I knew that

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if I

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talk to them, they would, if I listen

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to them really, they would feel better.

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years old and doing, like, ghost therapy in

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my bedroom, you know? My favorite was a

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one called Charlie,

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and he just told me his name was

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Charlie. He was there the whole time. My

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other favorite was actually and this is sort

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of a a funny

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part of the story, a poignant part of

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the story, is that

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the reason that I was psychic in the

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first place is that I had a twin

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brother who died in utero.

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like, psychically? Like, so he died. It's actually

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my very first memory ever is his passing,

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which I think happened probably around fourteen weeks

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gestation. And it's weird to think you can

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remember something that happened when you were just

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a tiny little bundle of cells, but I

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swear that I do.

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to the other side, and

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my psychic connection carried with him. So

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it put me in a very strange position

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of of understanding

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and experiencing

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death before I even knew life. That's, I

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think, why I was born psychic. I know

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that's why I was born psychic.

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imaginary friend was my brother,

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four, like, four years old or something. And

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my mom,

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she was like, who are you talking to,

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honey? I was talking to him.

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I'm talking to my dead brother, William. I

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remember, like, she was holding this glass and

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she dropped the glass and the glass scatter

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shattered everywhere. She, like, ran screaming out of

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the room. Like,

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you know? And my dad my dad's name

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was Bill. Every everyone called him Bill, but

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his name was William. And I know if

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my parents had had a son, they would

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have called him William. I didn't know that

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when I was four. I know that, you

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know, now.

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I think that's that was sort of my

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favorite was Charlie the ghost and my brother

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William, who was my imaginary friend for my

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whole childhood.

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I often wonder about the kids who speak

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of imaginary friends if, in fact, they're seeing

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ghosts or imprints.

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Ghosts, imprints, spirit guides, angels.

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spirit team around us, and that everyone has

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a unique team, and children are very,

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like you said, is very attractive to spirits.

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Like, psychic all children are psychic, some more

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than others. Just kind of are still close

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to the other realm. We still remember what

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it's like when we were over there. And

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if you're a psychic child, you just sort

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of, like, light up, like, the astral plane,

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like a little light bulb and curious spirits

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will come in and try to get messages

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or just like, oh, look at that beautiful

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little light over there. Look at Susan glowing

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like a little light bulb over there.

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with curiosity. So I think part of the

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reason my house was so haunted was because

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I was a ghost magnet like many psychic

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children are. Do you think

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that ghosts are

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memories

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of things? Do you think this they're people

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that are stuck? What is your opinion of

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that?

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It's it's really like on an individual basis.

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So there's definitely times when it's stuck energy

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that's called residual energy.

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And it happens when intense things happen.

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Usually bad things happen in an environment and

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that psychic energy, that physical energy of death

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sort of stays inside the environment.

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And we experienced that as a residual haunting.

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So there's no actual spirit there, just the

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memory of the event. Right?

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And the feelings of the event. And then

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sometimes there are actually spirits

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who like the souls of humans who don't

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make it across. And sometimes if they die

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suddenly, they die

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violent deaths

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or sort of die outside their own timeline.

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of a time when we're supposed to die.

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And if you die but, you know, it's

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a crazy world and stuff happens down here

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randomly. And when we die outside of our

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time,

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it we can get stuck. If we have

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a lot of unresolved issues, if we have

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tons of unresolved trauma,

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we remain and that's really more of a

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ghost, like what we think of as a

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traditional ghost.

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kinda take it on a case by case

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basis because it can be

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it can be all different, you know, hauntings

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can be all different kinds of things. Did

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you find a mentor then that could help

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you in this

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gift?

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I had a few really amazing experiences, like,

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God bless my hippie parents,

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who took me when I was 10 years

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old to transcendental meditation. If they wanted to

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learn it, they were hippies.

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and I met Maharishi Yogi,

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which

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I had no idea who he was, but

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that's incredible. Right? So my parents Wow. I

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know. My parents went to the temple,

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and they brought me there. And Maharishi, I

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had no idea who he was.

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He was speaking to us through a translator,

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and he had to give this long speech.

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then he brought everybody back to the back

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this back room, and he did like a

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like initiation, like Shaktipat, you know, Darshan, and

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and would give you a mantra to do.

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the translator, and he was kinda like blah

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blah blah blah blah blah blah. And then

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he really looked at me, and he was

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like, oh, honey. I'm so sorry.

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You really have a gift, and,

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you know, your child was just kinda kinda

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suck. If you had been born in my

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country, we would know what to do with

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you. But

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because America is basically spiritually bankrupt, you're just

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out of luck. But you gotta hang in

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there because you're gonna help a lot of

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people when you get older.

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some adult, like, sets noticed and said something

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to me as the first one.

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I remembered it forever. And then when I

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went to college and studied comparative religion, I

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figured out who he was. I was like,

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holy moly. That was Maharishi Yogi, the founder

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of transcendental meditation, who actually said that to

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me.

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Totally nuts. And but it wasn't until the

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nineteen eighties, I was in college. It was

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the dawn of the new age that I

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I you know, there were books, there were,

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you know,

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workshops. And that's where I found a real

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couple of really amazing teachers, a shaman. I

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studied shamanism when I was young and and

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a channeler. You know, it really taught me

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how to do the channeling thing. And also

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my hippie parents took me to when I

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was in high school to this thing called

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back when it was called the Silva Mind

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Control. Now it's called the Silva method

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and it's,

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fantastic training for psychics.

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So, they teach you how to meditate. They

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talk about spirit guides. They talked about how

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to shift your brain wave into alpha state

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so that you can get psychic messages and

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intuition on demand, which is something that I

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do every use every day when I do

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session work. So I feel like even though

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there were some really serious challenges that I

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went through, I was also blessed with these

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like white extraordinary,

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you know, gifts of learning and mentors and

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teachers right really when I needed it.

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Does your brother still talk with you?

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Yeah. Yeah. He does. He's one of my

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one of my best and favorite spirit guides.

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And,

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I'm super grateful to have him around. Never

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feel lonely when you have that kind of

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connection with your spirit team.

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Did you

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decide at a young age then as you're

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going through these courses

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to devote your life to this, or did

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that come later?

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No. It came right away. And I started

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working as a professional psychic when I was

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19, and I really have never done anything

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else. It's been except write books and stuff

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and be a mom. But that,

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that was it. And it really happened when

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I was probably like 12 or 13, and

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I went to see the movies, and I

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I went to see the movie Poltergeist in

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the movie theater that came out. And there's

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this, scene, you know, where there's a psychic,

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a professional psychic.

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And I was like, looking at the screen,

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like, oh my God, you can do that.

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I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do and

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I just knew in that moment, that's what

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I was gonna do. And and then she

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said this thing about, like,

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you know, what happens when you die and

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why some people get stuck, why their her

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house was haunted, built on the, you know,

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in, Native American burial ground. And I was

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like, oh my God, somebody knows something. Like

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she gave an explanation about what, what, what

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was going on. And it started sort of

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this lifelong love affair I have with paranormal

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TV, ghost stories, movies. Started

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seeing, I couldn't find any information. So I

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just started watching every ghost movie ever made.

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So I could glean like little facts from

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it and try to figure out what's going

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on. And, you know, because it's Hollywood, like,

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maybe 25% of it was accurate, and the

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rest of it was, you know, Hollywood, you

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know, entertainment

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stuff.

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So I got kind of a wonky, as

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a child, a wonky paranormal education, but over

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time it, you know, I figured it out.

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Poltergeist is such an interesting film because there

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were the deaths around it. Yes. So wild.

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Did you experience

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other people in your family with this gift?

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Because I believe this sort of thing is

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genetic a lot of times.

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Did you find out later that you're in

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a line of others?

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Absolutely.

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And definitely in the women in my family.

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I think all the women in my family

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are very

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canny as my Irish grand grandmother called it.

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You know, tuned into they're like super intuitive.

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They're all healers, therapists, and,

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you know,

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drawn to the healing arts for sure.

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Mine gift was a little more extreme partly

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be you know, because of what happened with

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my brother, but I also feel like that

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happened on purpose to kind of give me

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the the life purpose that I was meant

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to have. And I just

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I was like,

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probably six years old, I I used to

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make little books.

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What, you know, like, free books out of

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paper. And I remember writing in one saying,

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when I grew up, I was gonna be

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a psychic and an author.

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A psychic and a writer, and that's what

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I did. So I just feel like I

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was one of those people that came in

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really aware of what I was meant to

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do.

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Never had a minute of doubt about it,

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and I've really always done it.

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When your press people contacted me, I I

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thought, why do I know this name? Why

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do I know this name?

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Your books are quite popular.

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Yeah. They are. And, my first book, The

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Art of Psychic Reiki, is really popular. That

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one came out in 02/2018,

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and it it sold a lot. A lot

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of people have read it. It makes me

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really, really happy. I'm working on a new

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one now. I keep writing them. I sort

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of have a love hate relationship with writing,

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but I always say, I I guess I

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must love it more than I hate it

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because I keep doing it. Mhmm. Because I

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feel this drive to kind of impact more

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people, help more people, and so many people

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are undergoing psychic awakenings, psychic openings right now.

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It has to do, I think, with the

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shift in human consciousness that we're in. I

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think it has to do with just the

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general evolution of humanity.

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Every generation is more psychic than the one

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before.

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And then we do things like we do

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Reiki, we do yoga, we do meditation.

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We maybe we do some plant medicine, and

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we lick the tree frog or do some

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Ayahuasca and all of a sudden our mind,

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our mind expands. And even all the turmoil

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that we're in in the world right now

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opens people psychically.

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You have like a near death ex experience

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like I did, whether it's yourself or somebody

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close to you passes away. Those things open

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us. And I see so many people. It's

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sort of one of my specialties actually is

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working with people that are undergoing psychic sudden

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psychic openings.

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They're psychic they wake up one day and

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they're like, I'm like seeing things and there's

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a ghost in my room. And I just,

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it's overwhelming and frightening

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to people who exude don't expect it or

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don't know what it is or don't believe

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believe it's possible. You know, that that's not

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really a thing.

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And I know how hard it was for

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me to go through that alone. And I

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feel really passionately about helping other people who

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are undergoing that to go through a no

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more graceful way than I did.

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You know, I can help people do that.

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That's a really good day for me.

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Is your mom still with us?

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She is. Yeah. She's 85, and she has

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Alzheimer's. So she lives in a care home.

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Mhmm.

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But she is still around. Yeah.

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Did she

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as she watched you come into your gifts,

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did she then acknowledge her own?

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I think so. I feel I feel like

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dad was even more,

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into that, like, really into channeling, and he

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took classes, and then both my parents were

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meditators.

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My dad loved channeling, and he would do

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it. And sometimes my mom would too. I

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feel like somehow my parents'

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my journey

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sparked theirs

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in a really beautiful way. So I really

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always felt so supported by my family. I

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was so lucky.

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What do you make of the tumult

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that is in the world right now, especially

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United States?

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I feel like we're in a deconstruction

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cycle.

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And as painful and scary as it is,

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it's a natural part of the evolutionary process

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of life.

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Things

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grow, things are born, things grow, things die.

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You know, countries are born, countries grow, countries

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fall apart.

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And I think we're just in a cycle

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where and I think it's a global cycle

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where the old, old, or, you know, we're

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in this massive, if you know anything about

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astrology, this massive like shift in the planets

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and kind of coming out of the age

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of Pisces into the age of Aquarius

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and all the old structures that we built

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don't work in it. Like everything's broken,

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You know? The government's broken. Money's broken. Health

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care's broken. People are broken. Our people are

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everything's our society is broken. And I think

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I'm sorry to say sort of irretrievably

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broken.

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And that this is like this deconstruction is

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like the forest fire.

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You know, that comes through and like burns

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the forest down and things grow,

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that's a natural part of

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what happens to all life.

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And my hope is that we

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can,

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rebuild when it's time to do the rebuilding,

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which we already are starting, that we can

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rebuild at a higher level of beauty, harmony,

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and order because that's also part of the

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evolutionary cycle. I think too, it's a time

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when people realize

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that they have taken much for granted of

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the beauty and the hope and the love

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and the this and the that and the

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support. And,

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you know, we become numb to

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the world at large,

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and this is certainly a way to shake

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us awake,

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earthquake style.

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Yes. Forest fire style, earthquake style, and

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and no nobody likes it. It's super uncomfortable.

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We don't like change. We don't like to

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let go of it. It's a w. You

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know? You know? And,

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and I think all us healer types that

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are here on the planet now are here

519
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to assist people,

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other people through the difficulty and fear of

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that change. And, you know, of course, there's

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terrible things happening to people with war and

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weather and fire fires, you know, literal forest

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fires. We don't like that. We don't you

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know, nobody wants to see anybody suffer,

526
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you know, through that. And

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I think the healers are here to help.

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And I know like, my kids are young

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adults, and I really believe that they're part

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of the re reconstruction

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team. You know, that they're gonna build I

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have a lot of hope for humanity when

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I look at young people. It makes me

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feel hopeful that

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they'll make better decisions about stewarding

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ourselves and caretaking the world. And, I mean,

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00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,339
I really think we we have the technology.

538
00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,859
We have the resources to solve every problem.

539
00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,160
Nobody needs to be hungry. There's enough food,

540
00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,880
water, shelter, money for everyone on the planet.

541
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,625
And if we if we would choose to

542
00:19:06,625 --> 00:19:08,465
do that, I don't know why we don't

543
00:19:08,465 --> 00:19:10,705
choose to do that, but we don't. And

544
00:19:10,945 --> 00:19:14,065
Ego. The leaders feeling like their their power

545
00:19:14,065 --> 00:19:16,225
is never enough and that money is never

546
00:19:16,225 --> 00:19:18,659
enough. I think as long as that takes

547
00:19:18,659 --> 00:19:20,279
precedent over humanity,

548
00:19:21,139 --> 00:19:21,639
we

549
00:19:22,259 --> 00:19:25,000
we won't get there, and that's unfortunate.

550
00:19:25,940 --> 00:19:28,440
Yeah. And and I still feel like

551
00:19:28,819 --> 00:19:30,899
I'm still hopeful that, you know, the younger

552
00:19:30,899 --> 00:19:32,039
generations will

553
00:19:32,964 --> 00:19:33,464
redistribute

554
00:19:33,845 --> 00:19:35,444
the power. And, I mean, it just if

555
00:19:35,444 --> 00:19:37,684
you look at history when too much money

556
00:19:37,684 --> 00:19:39,365
and resources gets in the hands of too

557
00:19:39,365 --> 00:19:41,304
few people, there's always revolution.

558
00:19:41,924 --> 00:19:42,424
Yeah.

559
00:19:42,724 --> 00:19:46,085
Viva la France. Yeah. Hopefully, what happens hopefully,

560
00:19:46,085 --> 00:19:46,664
it's peaceful

561
00:19:47,605 --> 00:19:48,504
and calm, but

562
00:19:49,259 --> 00:19:51,100
I don't know. Yeah. I don't know either.

563
00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:53,420
It's it we as they say, we live

564
00:19:53,420 --> 00:19:55,119
in interesting times, and

565
00:19:55,420 --> 00:19:56,240
on one hand,

566
00:19:56,700 --> 00:19:59,180
I can get pretty frothy about it. But

567
00:19:59,180 --> 00:20:00,960
then there's also this weird

568
00:20:02,265 --> 00:20:04,825
sense of calm that I have, and that

569
00:20:04,825 --> 00:20:07,305
is inexplicable because there's no reason I should

570
00:20:07,305 --> 00:20:08,365
be calm. And yet,

571
00:20:09,144 --> 00:20:10,125
I have this

572
00:20:10,904 --> 00:20:11,404
grounded

573
00:20:11,945 --> 00:20:13,164
feeling about it.

574
00:20:13,465 --> 00:20:15,029
And And whenever anybody call I get a

575
00:20:15,029 --> 00:20:16,869
lot of calls, a lot of texts and

576
00:20:16,869 --> 00:20:17,929
things from people,

577
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:20,349
and they're upset and freaking out. And I

578
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:22,069
all I always say the same thing. I

579
00:20:22,069 --> 00:20:23,210
said, stand up.

580
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:26,305
Fight for what you believe in. And that's

581
00:20:26,305 --> 00:20:27,904
the only I know what to say. You

582
00:20:27,904 --> 00:20:29,744
know, fight for what you believe in. Whatever's

583
00:20:29,744 --> 00:20:31,845
in your heart, fight for that. And

584
00:20:32,305 --> 00:20:34,144
yet, at the same time, I'm like, it's

585
00:20:34,144 --> 00:20:36,545
gonna be okay. It's everything is burning down,

586
00:20:36,545 --> 00:20:37,904
but it's gonna be okay. And it's such

587
00:20:37,904 --> 00:20:38,565
a weird

588
00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:41,730
thing going on in my brain about it.

589
00:20:41,730 --> 00:20:43,250
But it's not even my brain. It's like

590
00:20:43,250 --> 00:20:44,470
a it's a knowing.

591
00:20:45,409 --> 00:20:47,490
You know what? I think, like, for me,

592
00:20:47,490 --> 00:20:49,329
like, I experienced that as what they call

593
00:20:49,329 --> 00:20:49,829
faith.

594
00:20:50,289 --> 00:20:52,289
Not in a religious way, because I'm not

595
00:20:52,289 --> 00:20:52,789
particularly

596
00:20:53,089 --> 00:20:53,589
religious.

597
00:20:54,474 --> 00:20:54,974
But

598
00:20:55,434 --> 00:20:57,934
more faith is for me the feeling of,

599
00:20:58,875 --> 00:21:01,194
or trust or belief that there's a pattern

600
00:21:01,194 --> 00:21:03,994
going on, a purpose that's way bigger than

601
00:21:03,994 --> 00:21:05,835
I'll ever be able to figure out. But

602
00:21:05,835 --> 00:21:07,514
I have the faith comes in that I

603
00:21:07,514 --> 00:21:08,014
trust

604
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:10,570
that the universe is unfolding as it should.

605
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:13,509
You know? And even though it's painful, it's

606
00:21:13,509 --> 00:21:16,390
not wrong that that we're in this breakdown

607
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:18,710
cycle. And so for me, the faith is

608
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:20,549
it's gonna be alright. Like, I'm in the

609
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:23,174
same place you are. Somehow, I I really

610
00:21:23,174 --> 00:21:25,414
believe in humanity. I really believe in the

611
00:21:25,414 --> 00:21:28,214
resilience and of humans in the in the

612
00:21:28,214 --> 00:21:29,115
basic goodness

613
00:21:29,414 --> 00:21:30,075
of people.

614
00:21:30,454 --> 00:21:32,934
You know, not everybody and there are definitely

615
00:21:32,934 --> 00:21:34,775
some bad bad seeds in the world and

616
00:21:34,775 --> 00:21:36,954
people have, you know, have hard circumstances.

617
00:21:37,255 --> 00:21:38,909
They, you know, they have to do hard

618
00:21:38,909 --> 00:21:41,230
things. But I still believe in the the

619
00:21:41,230 --> 00:21:43,390
basic goodness of humanity, and and that I

620
00:21:43,390 --> 00:21:46,109
think as humans, we come together the best

621
00:21:46,109 --> 00:21:46,929
when we're

622
00:21:47,230 --> 00:21:47,730
really

623
00:21:48,269 --> 00:21:49,250
that, you know,

624
00:21:49,950 --> 00:21:51,549
have our backs to the wall. I live

625
00:21:51,549 --> 00:21:52,369
in New England,

626
00:21:52,705 --> 00:21:54,465
and where I've always lived here, we're kind

627
00:21:54,465 --> 00:21:55,845
of an ordinary bunch.

628
00:21:56,384 --> 00:21:58,705
Like, we're kind of you know, especially compared

629
00:21:58,705 --> 00:22:00,865
to sunny California where everybody smiles at you.

630
00:22:00,865 --> 00:22:02,884
In New England, we're a bit more surly.

631
00:22:03,345 --> 00:22:04,325
But if

632
00:22:04,980 --> 00:22:07,779
if stuff goes down, we there there's this

633
00:22:07,779 --> 00:22:10,339
feeling of, like, everybody has like, god help

634
00:22:10,339 --> 00:22:12,339
anybody who ever tried to invade New England,

635
00:22:12,339 --> 00:22:13,619
that would not go well for them. Oh,

636
00:22:13,619 --> 00:22:15,059
I don't think it would go well for

637
00:22:15,140 --> 00:22:16,440
in California either.

638
00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:17,960
I To be honest?

639
00:22:18,494 --> 00:22:20,575
Like we have this sort of like, we're

640
00:22:20,575 --> 00:22:22,974
we're in this together, we have each other's

641
00:22:22,974 --> 00:22:25,055
backs. And I just feel like humanity is

642
00:22:25,055 --> 00:22:27,214
like that. Mhmm. Things get in the way

643
00:22:27,214 --> 00:22:28,974
of that, but really that's what's in our

644
00:22:28,974 --> 00:22:32,115
hearts. Coming together to help other people. And

645
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,759
that gives me a lot of that faith

646
00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:35,599
in humanity. That's what I have, faith in

647
00:22:35,599 --> 00:22:37,680
humanity. And faith in the bigger pattern that

648
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:38,580
I don't understand.

649
00:22:39,519 --> 00:22:41,519
I mean, I love humans, but also I'm

650
00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:43,519
sick of our shit. Yeah. I'm both. I'm

651
00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:45,380
both those things. I mean, that's the duality

652
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,820
of living, I suppose.

653
00:22:47,295 --> 00:22:49,715
Tell me about the Quantum Mystic Mystery

654
00:22:50,174 --> 00:22:52,335
School. Yeah. So I I teach this is

655
00:22:52,335 --> 00:22:53,855
the first year I ran this mystery I

656
00:22:53,855 --> 00:22:55,535
did teach in a mystery school for fifteen

657
00:22:55,535 --> 00:22:56,035
years.

658
00:22:56,335 --> 00:22:58,575
Well, that was more about teaching training people

659
00:22:58,575 --> 00:22:59,394
to do healings.

660
00:22:59,950 --> 00:23:01,789
And then I started a mystery school with

661
00:23:01,789 --> 00:23:03,170
my friend, Jane Bear.

662
00:23:03,869 --> 00:23:05,890
And it's really about it's a consciousness,

663
00:23:07,150 --> 00:23:09,230
program. So it's really there to help people

664
00:23:09,230 --> 00:23:11,470
raise their consciousness and become more aware, more

665
00:23:11,470 --> 00:23:11,970
awake.

666
00:23:12,544 --> 00:23:14,984
We use the chakra system as a lens

667
00:23:14,984 --> 00:23:16,404
to look at ourselves through,

668
00:23:17,025 --> 00:23:17,765
and really

669
00:23:18,144 --> 00:23:18,964
see, like,

670
00:23:19,744 --> 00:23:21,825
look at our wounding, do a a lot

671
00:23:21,825 --> 00:23:22,565
more healing,

672
00:23:22,944 --> 00:23:25,779
raise our vibration, raise our frequency, and old

673
00:23:25,779 --> 00:23:28,579
tiny psych psychic teachers call that clearing the

674
00:23:28,579 --> 00:23:29,079
channel.

675
00:23:29,380 --> 00:23:30,660
You know, like you have to get all

676
00:23:30,660 --> 00:23:31,160
your

677
00:23:31,539 --> 00:23:33,960
stuff out of the way, so you can

678
00:23:34,259 --> 00:23:35,559
see clearly, and

679
00:23:36,019 --> 00:23:38,420
see the world better. And that's really what

680
00:23:38,420 --> 00:23:39,079
we do.

681
00:23:39,414 --> 00:23:41,095
It's pretty cool. We we also bring in

682
00:23:41,095 --> 00:23:42,934
a lot of sort of fifth dimensional elements,

683
00:23:42,934 --> 00:23:43,914
quantum healing.

684
00:23:44,454 --> 00:23:46,315
I've been a Reiki practitioner for

685
00:23:47,255 --> 00:23:49,894
twenty six years now. I started learning learning

686
00:23:49,894 --> 00:23:52,214
and teaching Reiki in 1999.

687
00:23:52,214 --> 00:23:54,750
I've trained thousands of people in energy healing

688
00:23:54,750 --> 00:23:56,690
modalities during that since then.

689
00:23:57,150 --> 00:23:59,150
And I don't know, about five years ago,

690
00:23:59,150 --> 00:24:01,150
I started realizing when I was working with

691
00:24:01,150 --> 00:24:03,070
people, I wasn't doing Reiki. I was doing

692
00:24:03,070 --> 00:24:04,049
this other thing.

693
00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:06,734
And I'm like, what is that? It's and

694
00:24:06,734 --> 00:24:09,054
it's quantum healing or dimensional healing. It has

695
00:24:09,054 --> 00:24:10,275
a lot of different names.

696
00:24:10,654 --> 00:24:13,214
But old school old school Reiki is sort

697
00:24:13,214 --> 00:24:14,835
of like vibrational healing.

698
00:24:15,214 --> 00:24:18,255
So it's using vibration whether you're talking about

699
00:24:18,255 --> 00:24:21,650
sound healing or Reiki or homeopathy or gems

700
00:24:21,650 --> 00:24:23,269
or crystals, all those things.

701
00:24:24,130 --> 00:24:26,630
And quantum healing is really working with light.

702
00:24:27,170 --> 00:24:30,769
So working with light frequencies, photonic light, and

703
00:24:30,769 --> 00:24:33,329
the healing is much, much quicker. And I

704
00:24:33,329 --> 00:24:33,990
I think

705
00:24:34,305 --> 00:24:37,025
we called it the Quantum Mystic Mystery School

706
00:24:37,025 --> 00:24:37,684
to kind

707
00:24:38,065 --> 00:24:40,565
of tag into this idea of the acceleration

708
00:24:40,625 --> 00:24:42,545
of human consciousness that we're in. And I

709
00:24:42,545 --> 00:24:44,705
feel like as humans, we have,

710
00:24:45,105 --> 00:24:46,244
we have an opportunity

711
00:24:46,865 --> 00:24:47,605
to vastly

712
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,220
quantum leap our evolution

713
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,299
by studying consciousness.

714
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:53,420
And,

715
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,960
what is consciousness? How do we become more

716
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,599
conscious? And doing all our school is a

717
00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:01,339
lot of, the foundation is spiritual practice.

718
00:25:01,664 --> 00:25:04,325
So we really, like, rest on meditation techniques.

719
00:25:04,465 --> 00:25:07,125
We encourage our students to meditate every day.

720
00:25:07,345 --> 00:25:08,644
That really helps with

721
00:25:09,345 --> 00:25:11,765
waking up fully, you know, even more fully.

722
00:25:12,065 --> 00:25:14,164
Are you in the camp that believes everyone

723
00:25:14,225 --> 00:25:16,404
has this ability or the camp that believes

724
00:25:16,660 --> 00:25:18,900
not everyone has it? Definitely in the camp

725
00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:20,200
of believing everybody.

726
00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:22,259
My third book is called,

727
00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:25,779
it's called Awakening Your Psychic Abilities, and I

728
00:25:25,779 --> 00:25:28,339
really think that psychic is an ability like

729
00:25:28,339 --> 00:25:30,440
musical ability and athletic ability.

730
00:25:30,884 --> 00:25:33,285
Everybody has some, and it's a matter of

731
00:25:33,285 --> 00:25:35,525
training and practice and how much time you're

732
00:25:35,525 --> 00:25:37,445
gonna some people have more than others, but

733
00:25:37,445 --> 00:25:39,365
everybody has some. And when you look at

734
00:25:39,365 --> 00:25:41,924
professional psychics, it's like looking at a professional

735
00:25:41,924 --> 00:25:43,625
athlete or a professional musician.

736
00:25:44,109 --> 00:25:46,450
We don't we know those people

737
00:25:46,829 --> 00:25:48,750
put their time in. They practice, they practice,

738
00:25:48,750 --> 00:25:50,669
they practice. That's what they do. And it's

739
00:25:50,669 --> 00:25:52,690
the same for psychic stuff and healers.

740
00:25:53,230 --> 00:25:56,029
So if you're willing to do that, you're

741
00:25:56,029 --> 00:25:58,429
willing to do the work of practice, anyone

742
00:25:58,429 --> 00:26:00,305
can do it. Yeah. I'm in that camp

743
00:26:00,305 --> 00:26:02,384
as well. I believe that everybody has that

744
00:26:02,384 --> 00:26:04,545
gift. It's just like a muscle. You have

745
00:26:04,545 --> 00:26:06,704
to work it out. And it's what, oh,

746
00:26:06,704 --> 00:26:08,224
I have this intuition of this thing, or,

747
00:26:08,224 --> 00:26:09,825
oh, I thought of this person they called.

748
00:26:09,825 --> 00:26:12,065
That's all that's what that is. It's being

749
00:26:12,224 --> 00:26:14,144
that's holding hands with the universe, and that's

750
00:26:14,144 --> 00:26:15,240
what I call it. It's

751
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,179
being in the flow.

752
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,299
Yeah. Totally good. I love that. It's beautiful.

753
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,460
And and so we have that intuitive

754
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,940
sense. It's like our inner knowing,

755
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,220
you know, our

756
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,375
inner knowing connecting with our higher self and

757
00:26:29,375 --> 00:26:31,294
what we know to be true that is

758
00:26:31,294 --> 00:26:33,134
often at odds with what our mind tells

759
00:26:33,134 --> 00:26:35,615
us. Mhmm. Like you meet somebody and your

760
00:26:35,615 --> 00:26:37,694
mind's like, you should like that person. Everyone

761
00:26:37,694 --> 00:26:40,414
else likes that person. And your intuition's like,

762
00:26:40,414 --> 00:26:42,575
no. No. No. Yeah. We can't trust that

763
00:26:42,575 --> 00:26:44,330
person. Like, and we all know what happens

764
00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:46,990
when we when we ignore intuition. Right?

765
00:26:47,369 --> 00:26:49,690
And then psychic ability is slightly different, just

766
00:26:49,690 --> 00:26:51,850
the way I define it. So psychic ability

767
00:26:51,850 --> 00:26:53,850
is when we get information from outside of

768
00:26:53,850 --> 00:26:54,350
ourself.

769
00:26:54,730 --> 00:26:56,970
That means we're talking to angels, spirit guides,

770
00:26:56,970 --> 00:26:58,825
dead uncle Fred. You know,

771
00:27:00,085 --> 00:27:00,984
we're we're receiving,

772
00:27:02,244 --> 00:27:04,565
downloads or connections or course corrections from our

773
00:27:04,565 --> 00:27:06,964
spirit team. I also think anyone can do

774
00:27:06,964 --> 00:27:09,204
that if they're willing if they're willing to

775
00:27:09,204 --> 00:27:09,704
practice.

776
00:27:10,420 --> 00:27:12,740
Dead Uncle Fred and the Downloads is my

777
00:27:12,740 --> 00:27:13,720
new band name.

778
00:27:16,820 --> 00:27:18,279
That's a great band name.

779
00:27:18,980 --> 00:27:19,480
Totally.

780
00:27:21,220 --> 00:27:22,900
Yeah. I'm definitely coming to see you if

781
00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:23,565
you play that.

782
00:27:24,764 --> 00:27:25,904
How do you

783
00:27:26,284 --> 00:27:28,444
and how do others how do you teach

784
00:27:28,444 --> 00:27:30,065
others to protect themselves

785
00:27:30,524 --> 00:27:33,004
when they are dipping their toes into these

786
00:27:33,004 --> 00:27:33,904
types of

787
00:27:34,204 --> 00:27:34,704
pawns?

788
00:27:35,644 --> 00:27:37,724
Super, super, super important, and one of my

789
00:27:37,724 --> 00:27:38,625
favorite topics.

790
00:27:39,210 --> 00:27:41,529
So when I was young, I studied martial

791
00:27:41,529 --> 00:27:43,690
arts, sort of because I mostly because I

792
00:27:43,690 --> 00:27:45,130
wanted to when I was little, I wanted

793
00:27:45,130 --> 00:27:46,349
to be a Jedi Knight.

794
00:27:46,650 --> 00:27:47,789
I wanted to be a ninja.

795
00:27:48,650 --> 00:27:51,130
Ah, right? Of course you did. But mostly

796
00:27:51,130 --> 00:27:52,730
because I wanted to feel safe in the

797
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:53,945
world. You know? I want I love to

798
00:27:53,945 --> 00:27:55,785
travel. I wanted to walk about the world

799
00:27:55,785 --> 00:27:57,424
and feel safe and not be afraid. So

800
00:27:57,424 --> 00:27:59,865
I studied martial arts. It really worked. And

801
00:27:59,865 --> 00:28:02,205
I teach psychic self defense the same way.

802
00:28:02,345 --> 00:28:04,585
It's kind of street smarts. You know? There's

803
00:28:04,585 --> 00:28:06,345
a whole list of things you should not

804
00:28:06,345 --> 00:28:07,720
do, like that,

805
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:10,099
that were are gonna put you in the

806
00:28:10,099 --> 00:28:12,420
line of fire. And for the and there's

807
00:28:12,420 --> 00:28:14,180
a list kind of, like, how do we

808
00:28:14,180 --> 00:28:17,299
navigate psychic worlds with common sense and street

809
00:28:17,299 --> 00:28:17,799
smarts?

810
00:28:18,339 --> 00:28:20,615
And for the most part, like 80% of

811
00:28:20,615 --> 00:28:23,095
the time, what we're defending ourselves against is

812
00:28:23,095 --> 00:28:24,634
just the energy of other people.

813
00:28:25,095 --> 00:28:27,174
And Lord knows that's hard. The more sensitive

814
00:28:27,174 --> 00:28:29,274
you are, the more we are impacted by

815
00:28:29,494 --> 00:28:30,234
other people.

816
00:28:30,694 --> 00:28:33,255
Sometimes it's the spaces that we occupy. So

817
00:28:33,919 --> 00:28:35,919
because I love to travel, you know, in

818
00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:38,159
the Murphy's Law, they put this psychic in

819
00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:41,200
the haunted Airbnb every single time. Haunted hotel

820
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,279
room, they're like, hey. We have this hotel

821
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:44,240
room for you. And they were, do you

822
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,759
mind if there was a triple homicide there

823
00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:46,419
last week?

824
00:28:46,974 --> 00:28:48,254
Of course, they give that room to me.

825
00:28:48,254 --> 00:28:50,014
That actually happened to me once. You know?

826
00:28:50,014 --> 00:28:52,335
So we need to as we get more

827
00:28:52,335 --> 00:28:54,335
and more sensitive, we become more sensitive to

828
00:28:54,335 --> 00:28:57,214
the environments that we are in. And then

829
00:28:57,214 --> 00:28:58,434
sometimes we encounter

830
00:28:59,309 --> 00:29:02,190
enter spirits that don't have our best interest

831
00:29:02,190 --> 00:29:03,789
at heart. Like, what's in the haunted hotel

832
00:29:03,789 --> 00:29:05,789
room? You know? And we need to we

833
00:29:05,789 --> 00:29:08,369
just need a little spiritual kung fu for,

834
00:29:09,230 --> 00:29:11,389
how do we handle that? It's really all

835
00:29:11,389 --> 00:29:12,769
about boundaries, setting boundaries.

836
00:29:13,115 --> 00:29:14,315
And once you know how to do that,

837
00:29:14,315 --> 00:29:16,075
it works with people, it works with energy,

838
00:29:16,075 --> 00:29:17,434
it works with it works with spirits, it

839
00:29:17,434 --> 00:29:18,255
works with everything.

840
00:29:19,195 --> 00:29:20,634
Yeah. So I,

841
00:29:20,955 --> 00:29:23,195
this is a haunted hotel, a haunted hotel

842
00:29:23,195 --> 00:29:23,695
story.

843
00:29:24,315 --> 00:29:25,934
It happened not too long ago

844
00:29:26,309 --> 00:29:27,750
where, oh my God, I was staying in

845
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:29,450
this hotel and I had this total

846
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:33,029
premonition that I was like, I was hearing

847
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:34,789
a woman screaming and I like woke up

848
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:35,990
out of bed in the middle of the

849
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:37,990
night and I swear I heard this woman

850
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:39,769
screaming. I was like all sweaty and shaky.

851
00:29:39,829 --> 00:29:40,955
And And I was, like, was there a

852
00:29:40,955 --> 00:29:42,634
woman in here? Is there, like, a dead

853
00:29:42,634 --> 00:29:44,634
woman in here? Am I hearing that? And

854
00:29:44,634 --> 00:29:46,475
then I couldn't settle down again. And then

855
00:29:46,475 --> 00:29:47,455
maybe, like,

856
00:29:48,634 --> 00:29:50,555
half an hour later, there was, like, a

857
00:29:50,555 --> 00:29:52,494
domestic violence incident

858
00:29:52,795 --> 00:29:54,815
down the hall from me. And the same

859
00:29:55,090 --> 00:29:56,630
that same scream happened.

860
00:29:57,330 --> 00:29:59,170
And they had to call the police and

861
00:29:59,170 --> 00:30:00,289
all that kind of thing. It was like,

862
00:30:00,289 --> 00:30:01,910
it felt like I was getting a little

863
00:30:02,450 --> 00:30:03,990
forewarning of that happening.

864
00:30:04,369 --> 00:30:05,509
I think precognition

865
00:30:05,809 --> 00:30:08,289
is very common. It's a very common psychic

866
00:30:08,289 --> 00:30:08,789
experience.

867
00:30:09,295 --> 00:30:10,835
The most common precognition

868
00:30:12,174 --> 00:30:14,335
is death. We we can sort of feel

869
00:30:14,335 --> 00:30:15,714
like someone's gonna die.

870
00:30:16,095 --> 00:30:18,894
Sometimes pregnancy too. And to me, it's kind

871
00:30:18,894 --> 00:30:22,109
of like if you imagine a spider web

872
00:30:22,109 --> 00:30:23,710
sitting at the a spider sitting at the

873
00:30:23,710 --> 00:30:26,029
center of a big spider web, these big

874
00:30:26,029 --> 00:30:28,670
events that sort of are coming, that kind

875
00:30:28,670 --> 00:30:31,150
of like create a disturbance in the force,

876
00:30:31,150 --> 00:30:33,390
if you will, tickle the outside edge of

877
00:30:33,390 --> 00:30:35,230
the spider web, and when we're in the

878
00:30:35,230 --> 00:30:36,769
center of it, we feel it.

879
00:30:37,115 --> 00:30:38,575
So I have a lot of precognitive,

880
00:30:40,315 --> 00:30:42,315
experiences that can be can be a little

881
00:30:42,315 --> 00:30:42,815
unsettling.

882
00:30:43,755 --> 00:30:46,734
Do you have that when major events,

883
00:30:47,355 --> 00:30:49,994
like, say, the fires here in LA or

884
00:30:49,994 --> 00:30:51,535
the floods that happened,

885
00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:54,289
you know, in the in the South or,

886
00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:56,609
the things like the tsunami

887
00:30:56,990 --> 00:30:59,069
way back in the nineties, stuff like that.

888
00:30:59,069 --> 00:30:59,890
Do you get

889
00:31:00,269 --> 00:31:00,769
signals?

890
00:31:01,549 --> 00:31:03,309
Yes. I do. The biggest one I got

891
00:31:03,309 --> 00:31:04,289
was nine eleven.

892
00:31:04,990 --> 00:31:06,450
Nine eleven, you know,

893
00:31:07,224 --> 00:31:08,505
I mean, it was a big deal for

894
00:31:08,505 --> 00:31:11,224
everybody. But for me, living in Boston, it

895
00:31:11,224 --> 00:31:12,505
was a really big deal because those planes

896
00:31:12,505 --> 00:31:14,585
came from Boston, and everybody knew somebody on

897
00:31:14,585 --> 00:31:15,644
those planes. You know?

898
00:31:16,024 --> 00:31:17,865
And and I would see, like, about six

899
00:31:17,865 --> 00:31:19,784
months before it happened, I would see that

900
00:31:19,944 --> 00:31:21,820
I would sit down to meditate, and I

901
00:31:21,820 --> 00:31:24,539
would get this, like, silhouette of a city,

902
00:31:24,539 --> 00:31:26,859
like a black cityscape with kind of like

903
00:31:26,859 --> 00:31:29,340
a red mushroom cloud around it. And I

904
00:31:29,340 --> 00:31:31,019
was like, is someone gonna drop a nuclear

905
00:31:31,019 --> 00:31:32,000
bomb on a city?

906
00:31:32,460 --> 00:31:34,365
Is I was like, I kinda knew it

907
00:31:34,365 --> 00:31:36,445
was gonna happen in September, but my birthday's

908
00:31:36,445 --> 00:31:38,684
in September and weird stuff always happens to

909
00:31:38,684 --> 00:31:40,684
me around my birthday. And I'm like, maybe

910
00:31:40,684 --> 00:31:42,924
I'm gonna get divorced. It was I was

911
00:31:43,085 --> 00:31:44,765
I'm like, that bomb is gonna drop on

912
00:31:44,765 --> 00:31:47,190
my life. I thought it was very personal.

913
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:48,950
I was like, oh, that's I'm like, what's

914
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:51,029
gonna happen to me? And then when it

915
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:53,670
actually happened, I was like, oh, now I

916
00:31:53,670 --> 00:31:54,170
understand.

917
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:56,650
And I think a lot of times precognitive

918
00:31:56,869 --> 00:31:58,664
things, I always I always say I put

919
00:31:58,664 --> 00:32:00,984
them in sort of this imaginary file cabinet

920
00:32:00,984 --> 00:32:02,345
I have in my head called the x

921
00:32:02,345 --> 00:32:02,845
files.

922
00:32:03,464 --> 00:32:05,464
I just, like, put them in there because

923
00:32:05,464 --> 00:32:06,764
a lot of times we don't

924
00:32:07,304 --> 00:32:09,164
we don't understand what the

925
00:32:09,865 --> 00:32:12,605
what we're seeing means until after it's happened.

926
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:15,269
Mhmm. Yeah. Sometimes I've seen things that never

927
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:15,769
happen.

928
00:32:16,309 --> 00:32:17,990
That I was like, oh, something bad's gonna

929
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:19,210
happen and then it doesn't.

930
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:22,150
Does that mean it almost did? Does that

931
00:32:22,150 --> 00:32:24,650
mean it was just someone some slightly alternative

932
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:26,865
universe it did? Does it mean I I

933
00:32:26,865 --> 00:32:29,445
was just having a bad day? Like, precognition's

934
00:32:29,744 --> 00:32:31,445
tricky. So I tend not to

935
00:32:31,904 --> 00:32:33,265
worry about it too much. I write it

936
00:32:33,265 --> 00:32:34,625
in my journal and then I don't think

937
00:32:34,625 --> 00:32:37,025
about it. Again, unless it happens and I'm

938
00:32:37,025 --> 00:32:38,545
like, oh, yeah. Now I get it. Now

939
00:32:38,545 --> 00:32:40,724
I get what that was. The Schumann resonance

940
00:32:40,865 --> 00:32:41,365
spiked

941
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:44,869
the the night of that the night before

942
00:32:44,869 --> 00:32:47,029
that happened. It's so interesting to me all

943
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:47,769
the stories

944
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:49,289
from that time.

945
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:51,350
It's like little kids who are begging their

946
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:53,210
parents not to go to work that day

947
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:55,509
or people that just they missed their flights

948
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:57,194
or missed their trains or cause they were

949
00:32:57,194 --> 00:32:58,714
just sort of dawdling and they didn't have

950
00:32:58,714 --> 00:33:00,794
any reason for dawdling. They just sort of

951
00:33:00,794 --> 00:33:03,294
were poking around and that they're normally meticulous

952
00:33:03,434 --> 00:33:04,255
in their time.

953
00:33:04,794 --> 00:33:06,095
Those sorts of stories

954
00:33:06,474 --> 00:33:08,315
are fascinating to me. And I know that

955
00:33:08,315 --> 00:33:08,974
the naysayers

956
00:33:09,275 --> 00:33:10,974
just chalk it all up to coincidence.

957
00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:13,279
But I would argue that

958
00:33:13,579 --> 00:33:14,079
even

959
00:33:14,380 --> 00:33:14,880
those

960
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:17,339
who hands down do not believe in this

961
00:33:17,339 --> 00:33:17,839
whatsoever

962
00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:19,839
have had moments

963
00:33:20,299 --> 00:33:21,119
of precognition

964
00:33:21,659 --> 00:33:24,619
or intuition in their life at some point,

965
00:33:24,619 --> 00:33:26,204
whether they call it that or not.

966
00:33:26,605 --> 00:33:29,644
Everybody has precogn like, everybody has those intuitive

967
00:33:29,644 --> 00:33:31,825
hits, and it can be like, I I

968
00:33:32,204 --> 00:33:34,125
know people, like, who didn't get on the

969
00:33:34,125 --> 00:33:36,524
plane in Boston, like, too. So, yeah, it's

970
00:33:36,765 --> 00:33:39,325
I think that event created such a large

971
00:33:39,325 --> 00:33:40,625
disturbance in the force

972
00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:43,400
at so many people about that download. And

973
00:33:43,539 --> 00:33:44,980
but the you know, it doesn't have to

974
00:33:44,980 --> 00:33:46,119
be a big thing. Like,

975
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:47,480
we have intuitive

976
00:33:47,940 --> 00:33:49,539
moments. You know, the first time you meet

977
00:33:49,539 --> 00:33:50,679
somebody is a massive

978
00:33:50,980 --> 00:33:53,460
intuitive intuition moment. And I think, like, sh

979
00:33:53,539 --> 00:33:56,119
hand handshaking, especially if you touch the person,

980
00:33:56,595 --> 00:33:57,095
we

981
00:33:57,394 --> 00:34:01,174
receive, like, incredible amounts of intuitive information on

982
00:34:01,394 --> 00:34:03,714
on first meetings, you know? And that's why

983
00:34:03,714 --> 00:34:06,355
they say first impressions, like, because we're just

984
00:34:06,355 --> 00:34:08,695
so accurate at assessing people

985
00:34:09,539 --> 00:34:12,019
in what they say, like, nine seconds or

986
00:34:12,019 --> 00:34:14,019
some kind of ridiculously short amount of time.

987
00:34:14,019 --> 00:34:15,960
We formed an incredibly accurate

988
00:34:16,660 --> 00:34:19,539
perception of somebody that's straight up intuition. That's

989
00:34:19,539 --> 00:34:21,559
what that is. I think it's a combination

990
00:34:21,619 --> 00:34:24,019
of that and also we without even realizing

991
00:34:24,019 --> 00:34:25,414
it, our brain is cataloging

992
00:34:26,835 --> 00:34:27,335
microexpressions

993
00:34:27,795 --> 00:34:29,795
off the other person. I don't like shaking

994
00:34:29,795 --> 00:34:30,295
hands.

995
00:34:31,795 --> 00:34:33,074
I'm not a big fan.

996
00:34:33,394 --> 00:34:33,894
Yeah.

997
00:34:34,515 --> 00:34:36,114
For the people that meet and feel like

998
00:34:36,114 --> 00:34:37,679
they've known each other their whole

999
00:34:38,319 --> 00:34:40,719
lifetimes. I personally believe in reincarnation. I don't

1000
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,400
know what you believe, but I believe in

1001
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:42,900
that.

1002
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,219
I think that soulmates, you know, like,

1003
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,920
our soulmates are there's never just one. It's

1004
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:48,359
kind of that

1005
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,244
movie version of soulmates, but we have like

1006
00:34:53,244 --> 00:34:55,244
a soul family, a soul tribe of many

1007
00:34:55,244 --> 00:34:57,724
people that we've incarnated with over and over

1008
00:34:57,724 --> 00:34:59,324
again. And when we meet them, we have

1009
00:34:59,324 --> 00:35:01,425
that feeling of recognition of, like,

1010
00:35:01,804 --> 00:35:05,579
instant trust, instant bond, like, you know, that's

1011
00:35:05,579 --> 00:35:08,380
for real. And, you know, sometimes those are

1012
00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:11,679
really beautiful, supportive relationships. Sometimes they're really challenging

1013
00:35:11,819 --> 00:35:14,000
relationships that are here to teach us, but

1014
00:35:14,139 --> 00:35:14,799
they're always

1015
00:35:15,339 --> 00:35:17,599
impactful and change your life in some way.

1016
00:35:17,819 --> 00:35:18,319
Yeah.

1017
00:35:18,804 --> 00:35:21,284
What is your plan moving forward? How are

1018
00:35:21,284 --> 00:35:23,224
you navigating the next few years?

1019
00:35:23,765 --> 00:35:25,844
It's so funny. It's a funny place because,

1020
00:35:25,844 --> 00:35:28,405
like, on a sort of material level, I

1021
00:35:28,405 --> 00:35:29,704
feel like sort of simplifying

1022
00:35:30,005 --> 00:35:30,505
and

1023
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:32,819
going back to nature. I'm like, maybe I

1024
00:35:32,819 --> 00:35:34,900
should get chickens. Maybe I should, you know,

1025
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:36,579
time to grow a garden. Go get the

1026
00:35:36,579 --> 00:35:38,420
chickens right now. Wait till that bird flu

1027
00:35:38,420 --> 00:35:39,480
is done. But yeah.

1028
00:35:39,859 --> 00:35:42,760
Truth. Truth. Yeah. So, like, kind of this,

1029
00:35:42,875 --> 00:35:44,714
you know, I'm like becoming like my parents,

1030
00:35:44,714 --> 00:35:46,174
like back to the nature,

1031
00:35:46,554 --> 00:35:47,054
hippie

1032
00:35:47,594 --> 00:35:49,594
type. And at the same time, I'm really,

1033
00:35:50,234 --> 00:35:51,855
expanding my dedication

1034
00:35:52,234 --> 00:35:53,214
to impacting

1035
00:35:53,514 --> 00:35:55,674
people, you know, so writing more books, speaking

1036
00:35:55,674 --> 00:35:57,835
at conferences, I'm speaking at a big conference

1037
00:35:57,835 --> 00:35:58,335
in

1038
00:35:58,980 --> 00:36:01,300
Colorado. Some of the a listers in my

1039
00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:01,800
field

1040
00:36:02,420 --> 00:36:04,840
and feel really joyful about

1041
00:36:05,219 --> 00:36:07,219
I feel like there's like a group of

1042
00:36:07,219 --> 00:36:10,019
people who are are working together kind of

1043
00:36:10,019 --> 00:36:11,880
a soul group who are here to help

1044
00:36:12,315 --> 00:36:14,234
help people who want to wake up. Help

1045
00:36:14,234 --> 00:36:14,734
people

1046
00:36:15,355 --> 00:36:16,335
who want to,

1047
00:36:16,635 --> 00:36:17,375
you know,

1048
00:36:18,474 --> 00:36:20,234
who need help, who need assistance with that.

1049
00:36:20,234 --> 00:36:21,614
So it's sort of a funny

1050
00:36:22,074 --> 00:36:24,554
place to be where, you know, the world

1051
00:36:24,554 --> 00:36:27,320
is falling apart, but my my personal life

1052
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,099
has never been better. My, you know,

1053
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,880
I mean, that always happens to me when

1054
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,559
the world gets tricky. My phone rings off

1055
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:35,260
the hook because people need help.

1056
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,380
Of course.

1057
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,760
And and, and I feel really here for

1058
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,119
that. Like, I that's what I'm here for

1059
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:40,934
is to help.

1060
00:36:41,414 --> 00:36:43,094
And I feel joyful about it. So it's

1061
00:36:43,094 --> 00:36:45,094
kind of a weird sort of cognitive dissonance

1062
00:36:45,094 --> 00:36:46,315
that I carry. Like,

1063
00:36:46,934 --> 00:36:48,454
is it is it okay to be happy

1064
00:36:48,454 --> 00:36:51,094
and joyful when when people are when the

1065
00:36:51,094 --> 00:36:52,155
world's falling apart?

1066
00:36:54,750 --> 00:36:56,429
I mean, I think it is, but it's

1067
00:36:56,429 --> 00:36:58,510
weird. It's a weird place to be. And

1068
00:36:58,510 --> 00:37:00,910
I'm also pretty sure that the only thing

1069
00:37:00,910 --> 00:37:02,829
I I know, the only thing I can

1070
00:37:02,829 --> 00:37:04,849
actually control is my own state of consciousness.

1071
00:37:05,309 --> 00:37:07,125
And if I stay in a high vibe

1072
00:37:07,125 --> 00:37:08,804
and I'm happy and kind of holding the

1073
00:37:08,804 --> 00:37:10,644
light down on the planet, that might be

1074
00:37:10,644 --> 00:37:11,144
contributing

1075
00:37:12,164 --> 00:37:14,105
more than I think it is. Absolutely.

1076
00:37:15,125 --> 00:37:16,744
Happiness has its own resonance.

1077
00:37:17,364 --> 00:37:17,864
Yeah.

1078
00:37:18,164 --> 00:37:20,324
For sure. Tell people how they can find

1079
00:37:20,324 --> 00:37:20,824
you.

1080
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:24,070
So you can find me at lisacampion.com

1081
00:37:24,070 --> 00:37:26,329
if you wanna check out my classes.

1082
00:37:26,869 --> 00:37:29,030
I teach Reiki online. I teach all levels

1083
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:31,829
of psychic development from beginner to intermediate to

1084
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:33,670
you wanna go pro and be a pro

1085
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:34,170
psychic.

1086
00:37:34,644 --> 00:37:36,565
And I have a great YouTube channel with

1087
00:37:36,565 --> 00:37:38,085
lots of free stuff. You can find me

1088
00:37:38,085 --> 00:37:38,985
on all the socials.

1089
00:37:39,285 --> 00:37:41,285
My books are on every play you know,

1090
00:37:41,285 --> 00:37:43,525
Amazon, Barnes and Nobles. Any place you can

1091
00:37:43,525 --> 00:37:46,005
buy books. Yeah. I'm pretty sure I have

1092
00:37:46,005 --> 00:37:47,704
your books on my bookshelf,

1093
00:37:48,110 --> 00:37:49,890
but they're all packed right now. So

1094
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:52,110
I'm like, why do I know her name?

1095
00:37:52,110 --> 00:37:53,150
Like, oh my god. I have one of

1096
00:37:53,150 --> 00:37:53,809
her books.

1097
00:37:54,989 --> 00:37:56,530
It's such an interesting world.

1098
00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:59,869
Yeah. That's awesome. Thank you so much for

1099
00:37:59,869 --> 00:38:01,630
being on the show and for talking about

1100
00:38:01,630 --> 00:38:02,610
this. I'm always

1101
00:38:03,434 --> 00:38:03,934
intrigued.

1102
00:38:05,355 --> 00:38:05,855
It's

1103
00:38:06,394 --> 00:38:08,555
you know, I was raised by somebody who's

1104
00:38:08,555 --> 00:38:12,255
very science minded and was very much

1105
00:38:13,195 --> 00:38:15,755
anti this kind of thing his whole life.

1106
00:38:15,755 --> 00:38:16,974
And the older he gets,

1107
00:38:17,570 --> 00:38:19,570
his his I think he's edging his bets.

1108
00:38:19,570 --> 00:38:21,829
But we've had these great deep conversations

1109
00:38:23,329 --> 00:38:23,829
about,

1110
00:38:24,449 --> 00:38:26,610
as you say, the quantum world and how

1111
00:38:26,610 --> 00:38:29,349
it is reflexive inside of the,

1112
00:38:30,244 --> 00:38:31,525
I don't even like to use the word

1113
00:38:31,525 --> 00:38:33,364
psychic because I think it turns a lot

1114
00:38:33,364 --> 00:38:34,425
of people off.

1115
00:38:34,805 --> 00:38:35,945
I like intuition,

1116
00:38:36,805 --> 00:38:37,305
energetic,

1117
00:38:38,405 --> 00:38:40,025
you know, this sort of quantum

1118
00:38:40,965 --> 00:38:44,085
time is fluid, all of that. I think

1119
00:38:44,085 --> 00:38:44,585
people

1120
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:48,079
absorb it a little bit better. Psychic has

1121
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:50,400
historically had a, she's a witch burner, you

1122
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:50,900
know.

1123
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,500
Totally. And I can attest to the audience

1124
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:56,319
that Lisa does not have a carrot on

1125
00:38:56,319 --> 00:38:59,039
her nose right now. No. No carrot. No.

1126
00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:00,994
No witch. I I mean, I can be

1127
00:39:00,994 --> 00:39:02,135
pretty witchy, but,

1128
00:39:02,675 --> 00:39:04,515
yeah, psychic can be a lot of triggering

1129
00:39:04,515 --> 00:39:05,954
for a lot of people that have had

1130
00:39:05,954 --> 00:39:06,454
religious

1131
00:39:06,755 --> 00:39:09,075
upbringing or, you know, a a lot of

1132
00:39:09,075 --> 00:39:11,315
scammers these days. It's like everyone's getting, you

1133
00:39:11,315 --> 00:39:12,914
know, psychics who are trying to scam them.

1134
00:39:12,914 --> 00:39:15,735
And on social media, it's kinda sad. So

1135
00:39:16,030 --> 00:39:18,430
back when I first started, I never used

1136
00:39:18,430 --> 00:39:19,710
that word. It was a big deal for

1137
00:39:19,710 --> 00:39:21,150
me to publish a book with the word

1138
00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:22,590
psychic in the title. I felt like I

1139
00:39:22,590 --> 00:39:24,369
was really coming out of the closet

1140
00:39:25,150 --> 00:39:28,030
and and owning it. So Well, you bring

1141
00:39:28,030 --> 00:39:30,430
up a good point. On TikTok, it seems

1142
00:39:30,430 --> 00:39:32,094
like there are a bazillion,

1143
00:39:33,674 --> 00:39:35,295
astrologers and psychics.

1144
00:39:36,234 --> 00:39:38,954
How does one, for the listening audience, how

1145
00:39:38,954 --> 00:39:41,454
does one steer clear? How do they recognize

1146
00:39:42,554 --> 00:39:44,335
the real versus the not real?

1147
00:39:44,889 --> 00:39:47,210
Especially if everybody has it. Right? We that

1148
00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:48,829
we sort of that's that's the

1149
00:39:49,449 --> 00:39:51,769
the push pull. We say everybody's got this

1150
00:39:51,769 --> 00:39:52,269
gift,

1151
00:39:52,570 --> 00:39:54,969
but then not everybody has this gift. How

1152
00:39:54,969 --> 00:39:55,630
does one

1153
00:39:56,090 --> 00:39:56,590
assess?

1154
00:39:57,724 --> 00:39:59,724
I think it's such a good question, and

1155
00:39:59,724 --> 00:40:02,285
really doing some research, making sure making sure

1156
00:40:02,285 --> 00:40:03,425
somebody has a website,

1157
00:40:03,965 --> 00:40:06,465
like looking for reviews, do they have testimonials,

1158
00:40:06,844 --> 00:40:07,744
getting word-of-mouth

1159
00:40:08,285 --> 00:40:08,785
recommendation

1160
00:40:09,885 --> 00:40:11,969
is, I think, the best the best bet

1161
00:40:11,969 --> 00:40:13,969
that you have. Sad now, you know, it

1162
00:40:13,969 --> 00:40:15,809
happens to me like literally every day where

1163
00:40:15,809 --> 00:40:17,510
somebody duplicates my accounts,

1164
00:40:17,969 --> 00:40:19,190
my Facebook, Instagram

1165
00:40:19,570 --> 00:40:20,630
accounts, and

1166
00:40:21,010 --> 00:40:24,130
and then DMs everybody saying they're me, and

1167
00:40:24,130 --> 00:40:25,429
offering readings for

1168
00:40:25,875 --> 00:40:27,394
hardly any money. But if you send your

1169
00:40:27,394 --> 00:40:29,155
money to that, you know, you're you're never

1170
00:40:29,155 --> 00:40:30,135
gonna see it again.

1171
00:40:30,434 --> 00:40:30,934
So,

1172
00:40:31,235 --> 00:40:33,635
the scammers have taken over the psychic world

1173
00:40:33,635 --> 00:40:34,454
like crazy.

1174
00:40:34,755 --> 00:40:36,034
And then there are a lot of, like,

1175
00:40:36,034 --> 00:40:37,954
people who are have really good intentions, but

1176
00:40:37,954 --> 00:40:39,094
maybe not enough training.

1177
00:40:39,769 --> 00:40:41,230
And, you know, need to,

1178
00:40:42,889 --> 00:40:45,789
get better trained, get trained in some ethics.

1179
00:40:45,849 --> 00:40:47,769
So we, you know, nobody wants to hurt

1180
00:40:47,769 --> 00:40:48,269
anybody,

1181
00:40:49,210 --> 00:40:50,809
but they might if they don't have well

1182
00:40:50,809 --> 00:40:52,885
enough if good enough training. So if you've

1183
00:40:52,885 --> 00:40:54,405
got something like, well I had my first

1184
00:40:54,405 --> 00:40:57,525
experience, psychic experience yesterday, but today I'm seeing

1185
00:40:57,525 --> 00:40:58,025
clients,

1186
00:40:58,405 --> 00:40:59,625
that's probably not

1187
00:41:00,244 --> 00:41:01,765
cool. It's not like you can go to

1188
00:41:01,765 --> 00:41:03,625
psychic university and get a degree,

1189
00:41:04,085 --> 00:41:06,099
but, you know Actually, you can. There's one

1190
00:41:06,099 --> 00:41:08,599
in England. It's called the Albert Finlay School.

1191
00:41:09,059 --> 00:41:10,659
Yeah. And actually, there are there there are

1192
00:41:10,659 --> 00:41:11,699
quite a few that,

1193
00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:14,179
that have good, especially medium shift, you know.

1194
00:41:14,179 --> 00:41:16,099
But if you study with a reputable teacher,

1195
00:41:16,099 --> 00:41:17,985
take a class on the shift network, you

1196
00:41:17,985 --> 00:41:20,485
know, or somewhere where they screen their faculty

1197
00:41:20,545 --> 00:41:22,305
and, you know, you're getting the good the

1198
00:41:22,305 --> 00:41:23,045
good stuff.

1199
00:41:23,425 --> 00:41:25,664
I teach there sometimes, which is really fun.

1200
00:41:25,664 --> 00:41:26,164
So,

1201
00:41:26,545 --> 00:41:27,905
you know, I think you just have your

1202
00:41:27,905 --> 00:41:29,825
wits about you and make sure that you're

1203
00:41:29,825 --> 00:41:31,525
dealing with somebody that has a good reputation.

1204
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:34,410
Yeah. Because it can you can fall prey,

1205
00:41:34,469 --> 00:41:35,530
certainly, because

1206
00:41:35,989 --> 00:41:37,610
I think that there is

1207
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:40,950
a people who are seeking out that kind

1208
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:41,610
of advice,

1209
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:44,489
they tend to be of the more vulnerable.

1210
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:46,789
Not everyone, but I think there is a

1211
00:41:46,789 --> 00:41:49,385
a swath of people who are certainly easily

1212
00:41:49,385 --> 00:41:50,284
taken advantage

1213
00:41:50,664 --> 00:41:53,545
of. Yes. And that's historically been true way

1214
00:41:53,545 --> 00:41:55,144
back in the day. We even when the

1215
00:41:55,144 --> 00:41:56,125
spiritualist movement

1216
00:41:56,585 --> 00:41:57,085
started,

1217
00:41:57,385 --> 00:41:59,144
you know, and there were a lot of

1218
00:41:59,144 --> 00:42:02,425
scammy Charlottan psychics who are taking taking advantage

1219
00:42:02,425 --> 00:42:04,579
of people who are, you know, bereaved bereaved.

1220
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,440
And so I think we always have our

1221
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,200
wits about us like any other thing that

1222
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,660
we're doing. Yeah.

1223
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,680
Yeah. Well, thank you, Lisa. Thank you for

1224
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,940
sharing your time and your talents.

1225
00:42:16,724 --> 00:42:18,485
Thank you, Susan, for having me on your

1226
00:42:18,485 --> 00:42:21,045
podcast. I love your podcast. Oh, thanks. Thank

1227
00:42:21,045 --> 00:42:22,405
you so much. This is so good. I

1228
00:42:22,405 --> 00:42:23,765
just love your vibe and what you're doing

1229
00:42:23,765 --> 00:42:25,765
in the world. It's beautiful. Oh, thank you.

1230
00:42:25,765 --> 00:42:27,545
And thank you for listening, everybody.

1231
00:42:28,085 --> 00:42:28,585
Bye.

1232
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,840
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1233
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,640
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