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Hey, humans. How's it going? Susan Ruth here.

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Thanks for listening to another episode

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of Hey, Human podcast.

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This is episode 443,

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and my guest is doctor Heather Stone.

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Doctor Stone has treated thousands of women with

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persistent low thyroid symptoms for the last nineteen

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years.

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She supports functional medicine and getting to the

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root cause of disease.

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She is one of the most experienced clinicians

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in the space of hypothyroidism

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and Hashimoto's.

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And we spoke last April and excited to

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get her

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episode on the air. And if anyone out

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there is in need of this sort of

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medicine,

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she's definitely the person to reach out to.

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Doctor Heather Stone, welcome to Hey Human.

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Thank you. I'm excited to be here.

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Nice to see you. Let's jump in. Tell

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me your upbringing and how it may have

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you into your work.

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That's a new one. I haven't been asked

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about my upbringing. So just kind of Middle

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America. Well, I'm from South Texas, so it's

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not necessarily Middle America, but middle class.

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Texas is its own country. We all know

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that. Yeah. Texas is its own country.

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I would say that I've I had a

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great childhood. It's pretty unremarkable,

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just, you know, a typical American childhood.

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And I think I'm an oldest child, so

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that's kind of, I think, where I get

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my tenacity,

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for being an oldest child. But, you know,

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growing up, my mom and dad were married.

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They're still married. So,

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my mom, for the most part, was a

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stay at home mom.

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what kind of pushed me down this path

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interestingly

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enough. I thought I wasn't gonna do that.

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I thought that although I think that she

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was she is an amazing mom, I wanted

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something different for my family, and I wanted

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to have a career, and I wanted to

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go to college. And, I was the first

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one to go to college in my immediate

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family. So for me, I had big aspirations,

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and that's kind of what pushed me down

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this path. And I knew that I always

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wanted to be a doctor,

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but I never really knew what kind of

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doctor. And I think with my own

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health struggles, it pushed me down the exact

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right path that I was supposed to go

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down, which I am, super thankful about that.

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That was gonna be my next question is

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as a kid growing up, did you have

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health issues that

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were frustrating at best and maybe some doctors

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listened?

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Did you have that experience?

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Yeah. I would say in whenever I was

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in high school, I had issues with hormones

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and menstrual cycle and,

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you know, it was the, well, here, just

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put her on birth control. And my mom

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did not want me to go on birth

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control. They so they said, okay. Well, she

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should just go on progesterone. So she said,

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okay. Well, she can go on progesterone

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to regulate cycles. Right? And I think that

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essentially the extent of how, unfortunately,

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how most women's hormones are managed is they're

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managed by symptoms and nobody did any testing

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to see did I actually have low progesterone

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or what was actually going on with my

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hormones or maybe we should do some blood

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work or anything.

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then I started having weight issues, and I

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had issues with my complexion and acne.

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was, well, just go on birth control pills.

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and then, like, man, I am really struggling.

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I am super tired. I cannot lose weight.

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I was about fifty pounds heavier than I

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as I was in school, I was in

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pre med. I'm like, you know, maybe it's

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my thyroid. And this was pre doctor Google,

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so you can just, like, Google it. It

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was literally looking in textbooks. I go to,

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an OB GYN and I'm like, I think

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I got low thyroid. I have all these

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symptoms. Like, I'm tired. I can't lose weight.

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My menstrual cycles are a mess.

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I'm on the pill.

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And he said, alright. Well, let's run labs

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for your thyroid. And so I come back

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a week later, and he's like, yep. Nope.

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Not your thyroid.

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So everything's fine.

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Nothing's wrong.

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You know, I think maybe you exercise too

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much. That's why you don't have a period.

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I'm like, wait. I was thankful for that

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at that time because I knew what he

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was saying.

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He was saying to me that you exercise

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too much and sometimes women who exercise too

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much, they,

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they lose their period or their cycle.

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luckily, I knew that what he was trying

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to say was when women exercise so much

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and their body fat goes down, then they

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stop menstruating. And I just knew whatever he

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was saying was not what I was dealing

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with.

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So for that moment, I'm like, okay. I'm

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not believing what he's saying. So therefore, I

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didn't buy that story. And then as I

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was walking out,

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he says to me, oh, by the way,

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you're probably not gonna be able to have

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kids without fertility treatment. So, you know, we'll

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we'll handle that when it gets here. And

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thank you very much. Well, so first of

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all, he's saying that there's nothing wrong with

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you that their tusks can tell, which is

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so dismissive.

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It makes me insane

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in the health care system.

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And secondly, you know your body.

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Yeah. So I I'll I look back at

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that and I was like, I'm so glad

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that, first of all, I knew enough

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to know that he did not know what

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he was talking about, or we could just

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say he was dismissive or he wasn't really

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interested in truly figuring out what was wrong

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with me. He just said, oh, by the

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way, I'll see you back here when you're

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trying to have kids.

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So I was like, you know what? I

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am not gonna live my life this way.

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This is not how my life is gonna

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be. So I'm gonna have to just figure

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this out. And so then that kind of

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pushed me down the road of what kind

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of doctor do I wanna be? What what

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it what do I need to do? And

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where do I need what path do I

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need to go down to just figure it

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out for myself?

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And then once I figured it out for

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myself, I'm like, holy cow, do you know

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how many women are dealing with this same

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issue that really need my help? And as,

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you know, I've gone through different phases of

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life through having children naturally

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without without fertility treatments and weight loss. And

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then, you know, moving into perimenopause, you you

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going through these different phases.

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I've been able to help women

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understand that each phase is not a disease

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And that if you can figure out if

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you have a symptom, it's actually a blessing

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with your body just trying to tell you

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that something's not quite right. And you just

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have to search and figure out

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where the underlying imbalance is because your body

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is born to heal. Like, you are a

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self healing mechanism

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or organism,

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and the body knows how to heal, but

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sometimes it just needs a little bit of,

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assistance or we need to remove a little

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bit of interference.

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It's hard enough to be a teenager. And

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then you're going through weight gain and acne

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and all of that. Did did that take

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some time to get to the other side

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of?

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Oh, yeah. A lot. And and when I

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was struggling with all of that,

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I went I was did every diet known

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to man. I mean, I have done the,

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cabbage soup diet and the don't eat anything

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diet,

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slim fast, and you name it. I've done

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every diet known to man, and I started

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that in high school.

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So, of course, you know, it it shapes

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your body image and you have these struggles

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and these ups and downs. But I will

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tell you

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that

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it allowed me to be in a position

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where I was like, I don't, I will

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do whatever it takes. I just need someone

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to tell me what to do. And it

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needed to be the right thing. I mean,

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I had taken diet pills and done everything

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that was available just to try, you know,

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to lose the weight.

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But it wasn't until I shifted off of

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the weight and somebody told me what to

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do to improve my health. And I wanted

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my health and my function to be as

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optimal as possible, and then the weight started

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coming off. And it shift it helped me

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shift from

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stopping all these fad diets to what do

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I need to do to be healthy and

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to eat and and look at food as

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nutrition instead of, you know, looking at food

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as the enemy.

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It allowed me to be in a place

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where I was open to receiving that. And

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it allowed me to also be in a

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place where I can empathize and understand where

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other women are coming from and the struggles

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that they have.

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What would you say to

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women especially, and I'm sure it happens to

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men as well and people that identify everywhere

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in between that when the doctor says nothing's

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wrong, we can't find anything to test. How

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did they advocate for themselves and find the

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right

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person without making themselves insane on Google?

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I catch most women

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or I work mostly with women, so that's

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why I say most women. But men men

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deal with this as well.

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just having that inner knowing

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that if some if you have a symptom,

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that means there is some kind of imbalance.

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And it doesn't mean that you have a

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disease.

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Right? So it doesn't mean you have a

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disease or a label or some kind of

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ICD 10 code that they can bill an

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insurance company for. But no, it's just the

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way that your body communicates. And you need

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to search for a doctor

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that is gonna be on your team and

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help you,

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go beyond the label, help you go beyond

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what insurance will allow them to order.

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Right? So, you know, it's it's

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we're stuck in the drug therapy model. Right?

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And if we want something different than drug

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therapy, we have to go outside of that

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model. Right? When when we're in a drug

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therapy model, the most frustrating thing is to

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be in that model that expects something different

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when there isn't anything different in that model.

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Right? Like, they are

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drug therapy is diagnosed a disease, and they're

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gonna either drug it out, cut it out,

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or burn it out. Like, Like that is

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their solution and that is what they're trained

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and that is what insurance, the umbrella, pays

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for.

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And so I think the biggest frustration is

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trying to keep going to that model and

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try and expecting something different.

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But if you were for a moment say,

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alright. That has a place in my health

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care. Right? I may need that at some

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time. But that's not what I'm looking for

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right now. I need to find something outside

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of that system that can work with what

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I'm trying to do to optimize health. We

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have to remember that the drug therapy model

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is to,

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manage diseases.

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It is not to optimize your health. Like,

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so as long as we understand what traditional

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medicine is for and what it's not for,

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then we can decrease the frustration level, find

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somebody that might be working outside of that

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model and keep people who are in that

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model that might, you know, might really help

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you when it's appropriate.

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Hormones are a mother bleeper.

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Yes. I just did a five day,

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mastering

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your hormones and menopause with low thyroid,

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master class. And

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it is I think it's a deep we

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did a deep dive and there's so much

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information. I think I just caused even more

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confusion.

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But anyway, it's, it's a huge subject and

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I could talk for hours on that. When

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was your moment for what was going on

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with your body?

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The moment wasn't until I started to feel

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better. The moment wasn't until I'm like, oh,

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because I had to trust that the information

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that I was, that I was implementing was

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gonna be right.

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Right. So I had to trust and get

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some education behind why I was doing what

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I was doing.

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But then once I was implementing it, and

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I gave it time, not thirty days, but

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I stuck with it knowing that

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the,

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intention

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was to optimize my health,

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then I, my body started to change. And

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then I'm like, okay, this is, you know,

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I'm on the right path. My body can

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do this. I can heal.

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Another

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moment for me was interesting.

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I was in line at Starbucks, and I

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was having a conversation with myself,

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like, yeah, you can just have a scone

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and a terrible coffee with loads of sugar.

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It's not gonna hurt this one time. And

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then my other part of myself was, why

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would you do that? You don't do that

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anymore.

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And then I'm like, if I do it,

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I'm gonna feel bad. And I and I

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I noticed that I

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had such negative emotion about the food. I'm

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like, wait a second.

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Food is not the enemy. I can choose

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to eat that if I wanna choose to

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eat that.

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And if you have good energy around eating

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it, it's less harmful for you than if

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you beat yourself up after you eat it.

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I believe that wholeheartedly. Yeah. Totally. And then

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then I'm like, wait, it's just really what

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am I choosing and what are my what

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is my motivation behind what I'm choosing? What

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am I trying to accomplish?

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And if I choose to have it, I'm

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gonna choose to have it and not feel

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bad. Or I could choose not to do

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it and keep moving forward on my goals,

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but the food is not the enemy. I'm

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like, oh, this was an oh my gosh.

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I have hated food for so long because

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I felt like food was making me fat.

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Food was

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making me ill, and it might have been,

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but food can also be your nutrition and

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food can also be very healing.

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And it's it's all about, you know, sticking

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to what you,

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what your goals and motivations are. Also, if

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you do choose to eat something that's not

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unplanned, don't feel bad about it. Yeah. I

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look at food and nutrition systems the way

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I look at the education system

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that no child is the same for educators

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to educate. You can't have a rote

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plan and expect every child to flourish in

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that plan just like everybody is different

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and you can't expect everybody to adhere to

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whichever diet

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and expect it to flourish.

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Especially Yeah. That's not even including allergies or

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celiac disease or thyroid problems or just in

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general.

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Humans are

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unique and beautiful creatures. I agree. I mean,

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for us, you know, in our in my

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practice, we have a baseline of recommendations

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for how someone should start, how they should

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be eating, but then all along the way,

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we're tweaking, okay, your your body is not

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responding as responding as well to that. Let's

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tweak it with this. Or maybe you need

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more fat. Maybe you need less like, everybody

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is so different. That's why there is I

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constantly am saying there is not one diet.

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Like if there was one diet, then I

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would be on the beach somewhere with millions

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of dollars. But there's not one diet for

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every single person and you have to really

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customize,

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you know, based on,

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how the person's functioning.

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Do you do that with blood and fecal

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tests? How do you find what works for

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the bodies? We do a lot of it

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with blood work. So managing blood sugar is

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absolutely huge. And you can see how the

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body responds, how it digest,

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you know, the foods that you're eating and

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how efficient it is with extracting calories. You

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can look at blood sugar. So we do

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continuous glucose monitoring. We look at insulin resistance,

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lots of different markers based on blood sugar.

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Also, some blood tests with food sensitivities

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and things like that. But you can really

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look at,

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how much protein somebody needs, how well they

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digest and utilize carbohydrates.

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You can look at their gut testing too

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with all of their microbiome

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and see how your microbiome is managing all

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of the food that you're eating. That's why

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we start with basics and then tweak from

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there because usually if you start with the

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basics then you it doesn't have to get

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too complicated.

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If somebody had a camp that I could

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go to, personally me, Susan,

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could go to

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where for let's say it's seven to ten

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days where the food is nutritious, healthy food,

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you know, good food, maybe an occasional yummy

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not not that good food isn't yummy, but

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you know what I mean? Like, occasional quote

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unquote treat

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that there was doctors

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or or health care workers there testing my

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blood after every meal and monitoring me twenty

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four basically

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a day for that whole time

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for I would I can't even tell you

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the amount of money I would pay to

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go to that camp.

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For real.

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Yeah.

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It would I do have a retreat space

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where we we do teach people. Right now,

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the retreat is for only for patients that

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have been through the program for six months,

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but that's kind of going to the next

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level,

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going even deeper there. But we we do

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something very similar, and we are checking we

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with all of our patients, not just at

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the retreat, we have implemented continuous glucose monitoring

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so that we can see how food is

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impacting your blood sugar.

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But also you can see how, like, your

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adrenal glands are stabilizing your blood sugar through

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the night. We can see how stress is

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impacting your blood sugar.

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I went to a meditation retreat for seven

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days,

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about a month ago.

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My blood sugar has never been so stable

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ever. And I even was, like, eating loads

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of fresh, amazing fruit and papaya and dragon

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fruit. I'm like, oh, my blood sugar is

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not changing. This is amazing.

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And I'm like, it just goes to show

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you, it's not only about the food,

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it's about your stress level. It's about being

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in fight or flight. I mean, I was

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literally

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not, not really in a monastery,

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but it was kind of like that. You're

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out of your environment,

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meditating most of the day, eating amazing food,

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not worried about, you know, anything else.

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And you know, what's interesting is maintaining,

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meditation practices. Even when I've been back, I

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can still eat fruit even when I'm here

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and my blood sugar doesn't go crazy like

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it used to. So it's just amazing to

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me how we look at environment, lifestyle, and

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how that really impacts our health too.

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Yeah. I mean, the adrenals will pack weight

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on your belly like nobody's business.

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Yeah. Absolutely. And the crazy thing is we

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get addicted to those fight or flight hormones.

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Right? So because we're addicted to those fight

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or flight hormones, a lot of times, we

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don't even notice that we're in fight or

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flight, but we start worrying about what's happened

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in the past. Right? We start thinking about

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the past, and then we bring up all

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of those emotions. So then we're pushing out

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those stress hormones, or we're worried about the

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future about something that hasn't even happened yet.

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So now we're really stressed out, and we're

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just in this constant state of stress. And

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I'll, I'll measure some of my patients' cortisol

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levels. And I'm like, okay, your cortisol is

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litter is through the roof. And they're like,

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I'm not stressed at all. I'm retired.

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Finances are good. I'm like,

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what are you worried about?

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Oh my gosh. I am such a worrier.

537
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You know, my mom was a worrier and

538
00:20:10,505 --> 00:20:12,664
my sisters are worriers. I'm like, what are

539
00:20:12,664 --> 00:20:14,684
you worried about? Well, my son's

540
00:20:15,065 --> 00:20:17,304
my son's new wife, you know, she's not

541
00:20:17,304 --> 00:20:18,630
as nice as I would like her to

542
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:20,730
be and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, okay.

543
00:20:21,670 --> 00:20:23,750
You're not stressed about money and you're not

544
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:25,990
going to work. That you're stressing about every

545
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:27,670
other thing in your life that you probably

546
00:20:27,670 --> 00:20:30,390
can't change. So that is not helping you

547
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:32,809
on this weight loss and health journey. So

548
00:20:33,164 --> 00:20:35,325
working to get into the present moment makes

549
00:20:35,325 --> 00:20:36,305
a huge difference.

550
00:20:37,005 --> 00:20:38,384
Oh, for sure.

551
00:20:38,924 --> 00:20:41,105
For sure. I started wearing a monitor

552
00:20:41,644 --> 00:20:42,144
that

553
00:20:42,445 --> 00:20:44,525
tells you your stress levels during the day,

554
00:20:44,765 --> 00:20:46,365
among other things. I mean, it tells you

555
00:20:46,365 --> 00:20:48,144
all sorts of things. And

556
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:51,190
the thing that I found really fascinating at

557
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:52,470
the end of the day when I went

558
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:53,609
to look at

559
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:56,789
the levels of stress I had during the

560
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:57,289
day,

561
00:20:57,910 --> 00:21:00,809
I saw these odd spikes and I thought,

562
00:21:01,174 --> 00:21:02,615
what in the world am I doing when

563
00:21:02,615 --> 00:21:05,015
these stress levels are spiking? And I went

564
00:21:05,015 --> 00:21:07,494
and looked and they were phone calls to

565
00:21:07,494 --> 00:21:10,214
people who demanded a lot of attention from

566
00:21:10,214 --> 00:21:12,454
me and required a lot of and had

567
00:21:12,454 --> 00:21:14,054
a lot of drama around them or or

568
00:21:14,054 --> 00:21:14,554
whatever.

569
00:21:15,299 --> 00:21:16,660
And when you're in the moment, you don't

570
00:21:16,660 --> 00:21:17,400
even realize

571
00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:19,220
what that's doing to you when you're just

572
00:21:19,220 --> 00:21:22,019
being a vessel for other people's pain or

573
00:21:22,019 --> 00:21:23,799
suffering or drama or

574
00:21:24,180 --> 00:21:26,660
tea or whatever you wanna call it. It's

575
00:21:26,660 --> 00:21:27,160
still

576
00:21:28,065 --> 00:21:29,765
making you spike.

577
00:21:30,224 --> 00:21:32,224
And I found that really fascinating. It never

578
00:21:32,224 --> 00:21:34,304
really occurred to me that that was going

579
00:21:34,304 --> 00:21:35,524
to be the case.

580
00:21:36,224 --> 00:21:38,224
But isn't it interesting now that you know

581
00:21:38,224 --> 00:21:38,724
that?

582
00:21:39,105 --> 00:21:40,005
You have

583
00:21:40,464 --> 00:21:41,125
the knowledge

584
00:21:41,809 --> 00:21:44,150
that when you are in those calls,

585
00:21:44,529 --> 00:21:47,170
you can choose to respond to the stress

586
00:21:47,170 --> 00:21:48,789
instead of your body reacting.

587
00:21:49,250 --> 00:21:51,269
Right? Like you can say, okay, you can

588
00:21:51,490 --> 00:21:53,809
do get yourself ready before you go into

589
00:21:53,809 --> 00:21:56,775
it and be conscious about how you're feeling

590
00:21:56,994 --> 00:21:59,075
as you're going through those moments. Because a

591
00:21:59,075 --> 00:21:59,575
lot

592
00:21:59,875 --> 00:22:01,095
of people will say,

593
00:22:01,714 --> 00:22:04,035
you know, I have a stressful life. There's

594
00:22:04,035 --> 00:22:05,575
nothing I can do about it.

595
00:22:06,115 --> 00:22:08,115
Like, I'm just gonna be stressed. And so

596
00:22:08,115 --> 00:22:10,470
I I am at effect, like, I have

597
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:11,850
no control over

598
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:14,170
my life. As a practitioner

599
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:17,269
working with patients who struggle and have problems

600
00:22:17,269 --> 00:22:18,950
all day long, and I'm sitting here solving

601
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:20,570
problems for people all day long,

602
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:21,850
I have to be

603
00:22:22,674 --> 00:22:23,174
conscious

604
00:22:23,634 --> 00:22:25,555
of the way that I am feeling and

605
00:22:25,555 --> 00:22:26,934
how I'm being affected.

606
00:22:27,634 --> 00:22:30,195
And so we have the we have the

607
00:22:30,195 --> 00:22:30,695
ability

608
00:22:31,234 --> 00:22:32,055
to respond

609
00:22:32,674 --> 00:22:33,815
instead of react,

610
00:22:34,210 --> 00:22:37,410
But it it takes a conscious awareness of

611
00:22:37,410 --> 00:22:38,390
that happening

612
00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:40,529
instead of us just going through our day

613
00:22:40,529 --> 00:22:42,610
like a pinball machine. Right? Like a pinball

614
00:22:42,610 --> 00:22:45,250
in a pinball machine just reacting and feeling

615
00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:47,410
like we have no control over our lives

616
00:22:47,410 --> 00:22:49,224
and our stress levels. But the way that

617
00:22:49,224 --> 00:22:50,525
we respond to stress

618
00:22:50,984 --> 00:22:52,845
and then the things that we do outside

619
00:22:52,984 --> 00:22:55,785
of those moments to bring your body back

620
00:22:55,785 --> 00:22:58,765
into the present time is what really matters.

621
00:22:59,545 --> 00:23:01,224
Yeah. I think too, it teaches us a

622
00:23:01,224 --> 00:23:03,644
lot about boundaries. It's a big b word.

623
00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:06,470
Yes. Boundaries are a big deal. And even

624
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:08,390
I mean, I think the thing that's hard

625
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:10,490
to hammer into people as well

626
00:23:11,509 --> 00:23:14,470
is that even something that is quote unquote

627
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:15,369
good for you

628
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:17,589
can be bad for you if you're not

629
00:23:17,589 --> 00:23:20,615
treating it with the respect it requires.

630
00:23:21,154 --> 00:23:23,315
Like, if I'm starving myself and then working

631
00:23:23,315 --> 00:23:25,174
out for two hours, or if I'm

632
00:23:25,475 --> 00:23:27,634
eating a pretty normal diet but not paying

633
00:23:27,634 --> 00:23:29,795
attention to what my body needs in order

634
00:23:29,795 --> 00:23:31,174
to work out for two hours,

635
00:23:32,049 --> 00:23:34,210
Both those things can do their own kind

636
00:23:34,210 --> 00:23:34,950
of damage.

637
00:23:35,650 --> 00:23:38,049
Yeah. I have a a prime example of

638
00:23:38,049 --> 00:23:41,509
that intermittent fasting is a huge deal. Right?

639
00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:42,070
And

640
00:23:42,529 --> 00:23:45,190
all the research shows intermittent fasting is amazing.

641
00:23:45,565 --> 00:23:47,484
Although it's not most of the research isn't

642
00:23:47,484 --> 00:23:48,305
done on women.

643
00:23:48,684 --> 00:23:51,244
I'm like, I always try everything before I

644
00:23:51,244 --> 00:23:53,325
ever implement it with a patient. I wanna

645
00:23:53,325 --> 00:23:55,565
see if can I do what I'm asking

646
00:23:55,565 --> 00:23:56,625
patients to do?

647
00:23:57,244 --> 00:23:59,410
So I started intermittent fasting. And I can

648
00:23:59,410 --> 00:24:01,410
intermittent fast because I mean, I don't have

649
00:24:01,410 --> 00:24:03,570
to eat. It's less time. I got so

650
00:24:03,570 --> 00:24:04,630
much stuff to do.

651
00:24:05,089 --> 00:24:07,250
It's easier for me. I'm good to go.

652
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:09,269
No, I can intermittent fast. So

653
00:24:09,650 --> 00:24:10,789
I'm intermittent fasting.

654
00:24:11,664 --> 00:24:13,585
I'm mostly feeling good, but I don't really

655
00:24:13,585 --> 00:24:15,664
notice a change in weight or anything like

656
00:24:15,664 --> 00:24:17,265
that. So I go get my blood work

657
00:24:17,265 --> 00:24:17,765
done,

658
00:24:18,065 --> 00:24:21,045
and my a one c is a 5.7.

659
00:24:21,424 --> 00:24:23,605
It is like one it's in the prediabetic

660
00:24:23,904 --> 00:24:25,920
range, and I totally freaked out because I

661
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,160
teach people how to lower their A1C. I'm

662
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,059
like, what is going how could this possibly

663
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,460
be? Is that a blood sugar monitor, A1C?

664
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,799
Okay. So a hemoglobin A1C is a ninety

665
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:39,414
day average of your blood sugar. Okay? So

666
00:24:39,414 --> 00:24:41,434
it's it's the way that they measure,

667
00:24:41,974 --> 00:24:44,375
how in control your blood sugar is if

668
00:24:44,375 --> 00:24:45,195
you're a diabetic.

669
00:24:45,654 --> 00:24:47,994
Right? So 5.7

670
00:24:48,134 --> 00:24:49,494
to 6.4

671
00:24:49,494 --> 00:24:50,875
is considered prediabetic.

672
00:24:51,255 --> 00:24:53,275
Anything over 6.4 is diabetic.

673
00:24:53,910 --> 00:24:55,910
So I was at 5.7.

674
00:24:55,910 --> 00:24:57,610
And I was like,

675
00:24:58,230 --> 00:25:00,570
how is this possible? So

676
00:25:00,950 --> 00:25:02,950
I'm like, maybe the test was bad. Maybe

677
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:04,710
it was a false test. So I get

678
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:07,430
a glucometer, which is, you prick your finger

679
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:08,730
to test your blood sugar.

680
00:25:09,154 --> 00:25:11,394
And I'm taking my blood sugar every thirty

681
00:25:11,394 --> 00:25:14,194
minutes. This was before a continuous glucose monitor,

682
00:25:14,194 --> 00:25:16,194
so we couldn't, like, just stick it on.

683
00:25:16,194 --> 00:25:18,355
So every 30 minutes, I'm, like, seeing patients

684
00:25:18,355 --> 00:25:20,434
and and checking my blood sugar here on

685
00:25:20,434 --> 00:25:21,174
the side.

686
00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:24,319
My blood sugar is really high, but what

687
00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:27,619
I noticed is if I fasted beyond 10:00,

688
00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:29,619
my blood sugar started rising

689
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,599
and my blood sugar would go up to

690
00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:34,160
one twenty one twenty five one thirty before

691
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,380
I ever ate anything

692
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,819
and so

693
00:25:38,095 --> 00:25:40,734
I was I I knew this. I mean,

694
00:25:40,734 --> 00:25:43,054
we're not supposed to starve ourselves and we're

695
00:25:43,054 --> 00:25:44,494
supposed to eat, but then you got all

696
00:25:44,494 --> 00:25:47,714
the other research that really supports intermittent fasting.

697
00:25:48,095 --> 00:25:50,815
But for me, it was too stressful on

698
00:25:50,815 --> 00:25:53,720
my body. My, my adrenal glands,

699
00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:56,759
I was taxing my adrenal glands too much

700
00:25:57,299 --> 00:25:59,380
in addition to all the work I was

701
00:25:59,380 --> 00:26:01,779
doing. And I was exercising and, of course,

702
00:26:01,779 --> 00:26:04,019
working out fasting. And, you know, I've got

703
00:26:04,019 --> 00:26:05,115
two kids and baseball

704
00:26:05,914 --> 00:26:07,875
you know, all of those things. My body

705
00:26:07,875 --> 00:26:08,815
was like, hey,

706
00:26:09,275 --> 00:26:11,275
this is not you don't have enough fuel

707
00:26:11,275 --> 00:26:13,194
to keep me going and you're tack you're

708
00:26:13,275 --> 00:26:14,974
I'm can't keep up with the stress.

709
00:26:16,234 --> 00:26:17,994
So then I'm like, okay, what is the

710
00:26:17,994 --> 00:26:18,494
tolerance?

711
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:20,869
And so then I was like, okay, if

712
00:26:20,869 --> 00:26:22,250
I eat by 10:00,

713
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:24,089
then I'm pretty good.

714
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:26,809
And now that I have a continuous glucose

715
00:26:26,869 --> 00:26:29,769
monitor, what I've noticed is my blood sugar

716
00:26:29,910 --> 00:26:32,710
is absolutely perfect as long as I eat

717
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:35,014
protein within thirty minutes of waking up. Now

718
00:26:35,014 --> 00:26:37,255
my a one c goes between five point

719
00:26:37,255 --> 00:26:39,575
three and five point four, which is perfect.

720
00:26:39,575 --> 00:26:41,575
That's right where you want it. But I

721
00:26:41,575 --> 00:26:42,394
think that

722
00:26:42,774 --> 00:26:44,934
we get on these fads of what we

723
00:26:44,934 --> 00:26:48,075
think is healthy for us. Right? Especially intermittent

724
00:26:48,134 --> 00:26:50,839
fasting right now. And I'm not saying intermittent

725
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:53,779
fasting is bad for everybody. I'm saying for

726
00:26:53,779 --> 00:26:56,019
me, what I was doing was a good

727
00:26:56,019 --> 00:26:58,519
thing way too much, and my body couldn't

728
00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:01,299
tolerate it with all the other stress demands.

729
00:27:01,299 --> 00:27:03,140
And I do find that for most of

730
00:27:03,140 --> 00:27:05,674
my patients, like most of my patients who

731
00:27:05,674 --> 00:27:08,234
have low thyroid or they have autoimmune issues

732
00:27:08,234 --> 00:27:10,494
or they have other, you know, cardiovascular

733
00:27:10,955 --> 00:27:12,815
disease, intermittent fasting

734
00:27:13,355 --> 00:27:16,315
essentially is just pushing them over. It's too

735
00:27:16,315 --> 00:27:16,815
stressful.

736
00:27:17,470 --> 00:27:19,789
When we have blood sugar issues in the

737
00:27:19,789 --> 00:27:20,529
first place,

738
00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:24,029
we're losing our ability to adapt, which is

739
00:27:24,029 --> 00:27:24,529
essentially

740
00:27:24,910 --> 00:27:27,309
what we look at to measure longevity and

741
00:27:27,309 --> 00:27:29,710
disease processes. And so when you lose your

742
00:27:29,710 --> 00:27:30,930
ability to adapt,

743
00:27:31,494 --> 00:27:34,375
essentially, your adrenal glands are struggling to keep

744
00:27:34,375 --> 00:27:37,335
up. And with women, we push through. We

745
00:27:37,335 --> 00:27:39,174
got so much stuff to do. We don't

746
00:27:39,174 --> 00:27:41,095
have time to be tired. And most of

747
00:27:41,095 --> 00:27:42,934
us, if we're tired and taking a nap,

748
00:27:42,934 --> 00:27:45,140
I mean, it is like the end of

749
00:27:45,140 --> 00:27:46,759
the world's coming or something.

750
00:27:47,299 --> 00:27:50,359
So we push through until we're like dragging

751
00:27:50,420 --> 00:27:51,559
our bodies around,

752
00:27:52,019 --> 00:27:54,279
just to get through the day. We're, we're

753
00:27:54,420 --> 00:27:56,900
dreaming about going to sleep again, as soon

754
00:27:56,900 --> 00:27:58,684
as we wake up. And it's like, but

755
00:27:58,684 --> 00:28:00,525
I gotta lose this weight. So I'm gonna

756
00:28:00,525 --> 00:28:02,365
intermittent fast and I'm gonna work out and

757
00:28:02,365 --> 00:28:04,365
I'm gonna do all these things. And it's

758
00:28:04,365 --> 00:28:07,164
like, we're just driving ourselves further and further

759
00:28:07,164 --> 00:28:07,984
into dysfunction.

760
00:28:08,845 --> 00:28:09,345
Mhmm.

761
00:28:10,380 --> 00:28:12,460
Yeah. Where do you where are you so

762
00:28:12,460 --> 00:28:13,839
I could come see you?

763
00:28:15,019 --> 00:28:17,180
I'm in Texas, but we, we do have

764
00:28:17,180 --> 00:28:18,240
a virtual practice.

765
00:28:18,859 --> 00:28:20,000
Yeah. I mean,

766
00:28:21,259 --> 00:28:22,480
it's so frustrating.

767
00:28:22,779 --> 00:28:24,299
Until we get to a place we're no

768
00:28:24,299 --> 00:28:26,384
we're no longer willing to tolerate where we're

769
00:28:26,384 --> 00:28:28,785
at, that's when we actually make changes. And

770
00:28:28,785 --> 00:28:30,545
it's unfortunate that we have to get there,

771
00:28:30,545 --> 00:28:32,305
but a lot of times we do have

772
00:28:32,305 --> 00:28:33,904
to get there until we're ready to make

773
00:28:33,904 --> 00:28:36,565
change. Have you seen that COVID has

774
00:28:37,025 --> 00:28:39,025
put a wallop on a lot of people

775
00:28:39,025 --> 00:28:40,884
health wise post COVID?

776
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,240
I think that we are dealing with some

777
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,420
unique challenges post COVID,

778
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,440
but I would say it's a handful of

779
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,940
people, not like a a big majority.

780
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,500
I've seen some things that were very unusual.

781
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:55,295
I mean, I was thankful I've been in

782
00:28:55,295 --> 00:28:57,954
practice for twenty years before COVID even started.

783
00:28:58,015 --> 00:29:01,134
So when things were really unusual, like liver

784
00:29:01,134 --> 00:29:04,015
enzymes jumping into the hundreds when someone had

785
00:29:04,015 --> 00:29:05,634
been completely normal before,

786
00:29:06,095 --> 00:29:08,319
you know, I've seen I have seen things.

787
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:11,519
I've seen patients, you know, have weird stuff

788
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:12,419
with their cardiovascular

789
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,380
system that we really didn't see before.

790
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,099
But for the most part, I would say

791
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:22,179
you can work to restore function.

792
00:29:23,115 --> 00:29:23,615
Sometimes,

793
00:29:24,394 --> 00:29:26,654
you know, I have seen, like, a handful

794
00:29:26,875 --> 00:29:29,595
of autoimmune patients that I have not been

795
00:29:29,595 --> 00:29:32,414
able to get back to pre COVID status.

796
00:29:32,555 --> 00:29:35,375
But that's that's certainly not the vast majority.

797
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:36,970
Autoimmune disease

798
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:39,109
is is cruel because it doesn't really have

799
00:29:39,109 --> 00:29:40,950
a rhyme or reason and it can just

800
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:42,250
happen one day.

801
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:44,789
Yeah. And I think, you know, when we're

802
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:45,930
dealing with autoimmunity,

803
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:48,410
you know, it's usually genetic.

804
00:29:49,164 --> 00:29:50,445
But that doesn't mean that you don't have

805
00:29:50,445 --> 00:29:52,445
control over it. Right? So when we when

806
00:29:52,445 --> 00:29:53,505
we study epigenetics,

807
00:29:54,525 --> 00:29:56,605
we know that our genes are turned on

808
00:29:56,605 --> 00:29:58,765
and turned off by the environment that they're

809
00:29:58,765 --> 00:30:00,065
exposed to. Now,

810
00:30:00,845 --> 00:30:03,519
when I first learned that, when I think

811
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:06,559
about environment, I think about outside. I think

812
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:08,960
about the toxins. I think about maybe the

813
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,200
food that we eat. I think about water,

814
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:11,700
air,

815
00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:13,299
those kinds of things.

816
00:30:13,804 --> 00:30:16,204
But the more you dig in, yes, all

817
00:30:16,204 --> 00:30:19,184
of that is accurate. But also the environment

818
00:30:19,484 --> 00:30:22,684
is the emotional environment that your genes are

819
00:30:22,684 --> 00:30:25,804
also exposed to. The false beliefs or the

820
00:30:25,804 --> 00:30:28,125
beliefs that we have also is what our

821
00:30:28,125 --> 00:30:30,080
genes are exposed to that turns them on

822
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:30,820
and off.

823
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,779
But if we look at autoimmunity

824
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,180
and we look at what causes or triggers

825
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,580
the immune system to attack the body,

826
00:30:41,054 --> 00:30:43,534
There's there's all kinds of things that you

827
00:30:43,534 --> 00:30:46,734
have to consider. So first of all, like,

828
00:30:46,734 --> 00:30:49,615
when we have insulin surges, right, so when

829
00:30:49,615 --> 00:30:52,335
we eat bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, cookies, cakes,

830
00:30:52,335 --> 00:30:54,494
candy, soda, or when we don't eat at

831
00:30:54,494 --> 00:30:54,994
all,

832
00:30:55,690 --> 00:30:58,490
We cause insulin surges. Right? So then that

833
00:30:58,490 --> 00:31:00,809
will trigger your immune system to attack the

834
00:31:00,809 --> 00:31:01,309
body.

835
00:31:02,410 --> 00:31:05,049
Also, insulin surges will make you gain weight.

836
00:31:05,049 --> 00:31:07,690
It's almost impossible to have a weight issue

837
00:31:07,690 --> 00:31:09,549
if you don't have a blood sugar problem.

838
00:31:09,855 --> 00:31:12,734
I see and that includes not just diabetes

839
00:31:12,734 --> 00:31:13,474
or prediabetes.

840
00:31:13,934 --> 00:31:14,595
That is,

841
00:31:15,454 --> 00:31:15,954
the

842
00:31:16,335 --> 00:31:17,554
metabolic resistance

843
00:31:17,934 --> 00:31:20,835
that is or metabolic syndrome that is,

844
00:31:21,295 --> 00:31:21,795
hypoglycemia.

845
00:31:22,575 --> 00:31:23,075
That's,

846
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:25,669
blood sugar that oscillates or has a lot

847
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:26,250
of variability.

848
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:29,349
So blood sugar is huge. We look at

849
00:31:29,349 --> 00:31:33,109
adrenal function, stress hormones. We look at your

850
00:31:33,109 --> 00:31:36,964
sex hormones, like estrogen and testosterone surges will

851
00:31:36,964 --> 00:31:39,544
trigger the immune system to attack the body.

852
00:31:40,565 --> 00:31:42,265
Or help it. They say orgasms.

853
00:31:42,804 --> 00:31:45,044
Right? That's a that's probably a nice surge.

854
00:31:45,044 --> 00:31:46,884
It's supposed to be good for you. Yeah.

855
00:31:46,884 --> 00:31:48,565
It's supposed to be good for you, but

856
00:31:48,565 --> 00:31:49,784
you do have to consider,

857
00:31:50,325 --> 00:31:53,029
right, like a surge. We don't really want

858
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:56,490
to have hormonal surges. Now when we're menstruating,

859
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:59,190
we do have peaks and valleys. Right? That's

860
00:31:59,190 --> 00:32:01,049
what creates our our cycle.

861
00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:03,990
But we're not really supposed to have big

862
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:04,490
surges.

863
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:07,805
You wanna have healthy levels of testosterone so

864
00:32:07,805 --> 00:32:10,285
that you have a good libido, sex drive,

865
00:32:10,285 --> 00:32:12,605
orgasms, all that stuff. But you don't wanna

866
00:32:12,605 --> 00:32:15,164
really have these big surges because that will

867
00:32:15,244 --> 00:32:17,404
is what causes the immune system to attack

868
00:32:17,404 --> 00:32:19,244
the body. But that's not what happens in

869
00:32:19,244 --> 00:32:21,670
normal life either. Like, you're not supposed, like,

870
00:32:21,670 --> 00:32:23,910
even as a menstruating female, we don't have

871
00:32:23,910 --> 00:32:26,009
necessarily big surges of testosterone.

872
00:32:26,309 --> 00:32:27,210
We have rolling

873
00:32:27,589 --> 00:32:28,730
cycles of testosterone.

874
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:31,049
And especially when we're postmenopausal,

875
00:32:31,910 --> 00:32:34,730
we're supposed to have healthy levels of hormones,

876
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:36,490
not big surges. Right?

877
00:32:36,904 --> 00:32:37,404
So

878
00:32:37,704 --> 00:32:40,904
healthy levels is really important, but it's the

879
00:32:40,904 --> 00:32:43,224
surging of those that will cause the immune

880
00:32:43,224 --> 00:32:44,684
system to attack the body.

881
00:32:45,304 --> 00:32:46,765
And food sensitivities,

882
00:32:48,024 --> 00:32:50,444
underlying infections, like I see bacterial,

883
00:32:50,825 --> 00:32:51,325
viral,

884
00:32:52,269 --> 00:32:55,470
parasitic infections all the time. And there's no

885
00:32:55,470 --> 00:32:57,869
symptoms, but it's causing the immune system to

886
00:32:57,869 --> 00:33:00,210
attack the body. We can look at biotoxins

887
00:33:00,589 --> 00:33:03,809
or mold toxins or lime or heavy metals.

888
00:33:03,869 --> 00:33:05,089
All of those things

889
00:33:05,634 --> 00:33:07,954
trigger the immune system. So what it might

890
00:33:07,954 --> 00:33:09,174
seem as though

891
00:33:09,875 --> 00:33:11,815
when you have an autoimmune condition,

892
00:33:12,595 --> 00:33:14,434
you don't have a lot of control over

893
00:33:14,434 --> 00:33:16,515
what happens or you don't have control over

894
00:33:16,515 --> 00:33:18,755
the flare ups or even of it turning

895
00:33:18,755 --> 00:33:19,255
on.

896
00:33:19,589 --> 00:33:21,589
You actually do have a lot of control

897
00:33:21,589 --> 00:33:24,069
over that, and you can put autoimmune conditions

898
00:33:24,069 --> 00:33:26,150
in remission. But you have to do the

899
00:33:26,150 --> 00:33:27,210
appropriate testing

900
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:29,509
to figure out what is the what are

901
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:32,005
the triggers you're dealing with. Right? So you

902
00:33:32,005 --> 00:33:34,325
said you have celiac. I've got Hashimoto's. We

903
00:33:34,325 --> 00:33:35,865
both have autoimmune conditions

904
00:33:36,325 --> 00:33:37,944
both have the same triggers,

905
00:33:38,325 --> 00:33:40,244
but what are what triggers you might be

906
00:33:40,244 --> 00:33:41,924
dealing with are gonna be different than the

907
00:33:41,924 --> 00:33:43,684
triggers that I might be dealing with so

908
00:33:43,684 --> 00:33:46,450
you've gotta test all of them and work

909
00:33:46,450 --> 00:33:46,950
simultaneously

910
00:33:47,569 --> 00:33:50,529
to address them. A lot of frustration comes

911
00:33:50,529 --> 00:33:52,929
with autoimmune patients because we might work on

912
00:33:52,929 --> 00:33:54,769
one or two triggers that we leave, like,

913
00:33:54,769 --> 00:33:57,169
10 over here that aren't handled. And so

914
00:33:57,169 --> 00:33:59,250
then we we feel like we're not getting

915
00:33:59,250 --> 00:33:59,750
anywhere.

916
00:34:00,125 --> 00:34:02,365
And so really looking at you as a

917
00:34:02,365 --> 00:34:04,144
global person instead of

918
00:34:04,445 --> 00:34:06,924
picking one thing or another thing and then,

919
00:34:07,404 --> 00:34:09,164
feeling like we're not getting anywhere is what

920
00:34:09,164 --> 00:34:10,304
what were the challenges.

921
00:34:10,684 --> 00:34:13,585
Also, I feel like autoimmune just isn't sexy

922
00:34:13,804 --> 00:34:14,545
to medical

923
00:34:15,469 --> 00:34:15,969
world.

924
00:34:16,670 --> 00:34:19,710
Well, think about this, Susan. It's a drug

925
00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:21,489
it out, burn it out, or cut it

926
00:34:21,630 --> 00:34:22,289
out. So

927
00:34:22,589 --> 00:34:24,510
they can't cut out your immune system and

928
00:34:24,510 --> 00:34:26,829
they can't burn out your immune system, but

929
00:34:26,829 --> 00:34:29,230
they can suppress it with drugs. But a

930
00:34:29,230 --> 00:34:29,969
lot of times,

931
00:34:30,625 --> 00:34:32,785
you know, it's like, well, are we creating

932
00:34:32,785 --> 00:34:34,864
worse problems than what they are dealing with

933
00:34:34,864 --> 00:34:35,364
anyway?

934
00:34:35,985 --> 00:34:37,844
And so when they look in their toolbox,

935
00:34:38,785 --> 00:34:41,425
there's nothing there. And so, yeah, they're gonna

936
00:34:41,425 --> 00:34:43,105
be like, yeah, I don't I don't know

937
00:34:43,105 --> 00:34:44,305
what to do with you. I can just

938
00:34:44,305 --> 00:34:46,079
give you a biologic, and we can shut

939
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:47,840
down your immune system. Other than that, I

940
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,360
don't know. So they're really not trained to

941
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:51,860
help

942
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,680
optimize function. They're not trained to balance and

943
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,960
work with the body to improve symptoms. They're

944
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,480
gonna drug it out, burn it out, or

945
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,315
cut it out. And so,

946
00:35:02,695 --> 00:35:05,655
that doesn't really fit with autoimmune patients very

947
00:35:05,655 --> 00:35:07,974
well, which is why it is a a

948
00:35:07,974 --> 00:35:10,855
huge disservice or a big missing piece in

949
00:35:10,855 --> 00:35:11,835
traditional medicine.

950
00:35:12,454 --> 00:35:14,234
Does big pharma and

951
00:35:14,610 --> 00:35:16,690
insurance companies, do you wake up with horse

952
00:35:16,690 --> 00:35:18,369
heads in your bed or anything like that?

953
00:35:18,369 --> 00:35:18,869
Or

954
00:35:19,170 --> 00:35:21,750
are they letting you do your thing?

955
00:35:22,210 --> 00:35:25,030
Well, you know, I have had my challenges,

956
00:35:25,170 --> 00:35:27,430
but I would say this. I think that,

957
00:35:27,490 --> 00:35:30,070
you know, traditional medicine has its place.

958
00:35:30,545 --> 00:35:33,265
And I think that for some people, they

959
00:35:33,265 --> 00:35:36,485
want that because it is an an easy,

960
00:35:37,265 --> 00:35:38,644
quote, unquote, solution.

961
00:35:39,505 --> 00:35:41,505
And they're not ready to make big changes.

962
00:35:41,505 --> 00:35:43,559
They they would never be a good fit

963
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,140
for what I do because they want the

964
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:47,579
easy, simple solution.

965
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:49,500
And some people never

966
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,960
move into a place where I'll do whatever

967
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,360
it takes to get better. They they just

968
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,039
are this is life. This is how it's

969
00:35:56,039 --> 00:35:58,335
gonna be, and that's how they go. And

970
00:35:58,335 --> 00:36:01,454
then, you know, I truly like for people

971
00:36:01,454 --> 00:36:04,114
who have low thyroid and when your thyroid

972
00:36:04,175 --> 00:36:05,155
is not producing

973
00:36:05,614 --> 00:36:09,315
thyroid hormones, you need thyroid replacement hormone.

974
00:36:09,775 --> 00:36:10,275
Because

975
00:36:10,789 --> 00:36:13,349
there if you don't get your thyroid hormones

976
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:15,269
balanced, then it's a trigger for the immune

977
00:36:15,269 --> 00:36:17,510
system, right? Like it'll keep you'll keep being

978
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:18,809
in this vicious cycle.

979
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:20,869
So I do think that there's a time

980
00:36:20,869 --> 00:36:21,530
and place,

981
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:23,210
for that system.

982
00:36:23,974 --> 00:36:26,054
But it doesn't really fit the mold for

983
00:36:26,054 --> 00:36:28,394
people who are trying to optimize their health.

984
00:36:28,775 --> 00:36:31,015
Right? And so I think that they they

985
00:36:31,015 --> 00:36:32,155
both serve a purpose.

986
00:36:32,855 --> 00:36:35,735
Do you feel that autoimmune diseases can be

987
00:36:35,735 --> 00:36:37,974
reversed in some cases? Not all, but some

988
00:36:37,974 --> 00:36:38,635
of them.

989
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:41,429
Yeah. So we don't necessarily say the word

990
00:36:41,429 --> 00:36:44,150
reverse, but we say put into remission. And

991
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:46,550
I would say that many, many, many can

992
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:48,010
be put into remission

993
00:36:48,309 --> 00:36:50,250
as long as you're handling the underlying,

994
00:36:51,429 --> 00:36:53,130
root causes or the triggers.

995
00:36:53,534 --> 00:36:55,054
Now, no, autoimmune diseases

996
00:36:55,694 --> 00:36:58,094
the reason we say remission is because they

997
00:36:58,094 --> 00:37:00,974
can come back pretty easily. Meaning, like, if

998
00:37:00,974 --> 00:37:01,954
you like

999
00:37:02,494 --> 00:37:05,214
well, Hashimoto's, we can't eat gluten either because

1000
00:37:05,214 --> 00:37:07,775
gluten triggers the immune system to attack the

1001
00:37:07,775 --> 00:37:08,914
thyroid and the cerebellum

1002
00:37:10,070 --> 00:37:12,630
and mostly your gut too. So the studies

1003
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:14,869
with Hashimoto's is mostly to the thyroid and

1004
00:37:14,869 --> 00:37:15,369
cerebellum.

1005
00:37:15,989 --> 00:37:18,409
But, like, let's say my antibodies were completely

1006
00:37:18,469 --> 00:37:18,969
negative.

1007
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:21,610
But if I went and I splurged

1008
00:37:22,034 --> 00:37:24,034
on, you know, a piece of cake, well,

1009
00:37:24,034 --> 00:37:26,114
those antibodies are gonna come right back. So

1010
00:37:26,114 --> 00:37:29,255
we have to be very careful about maintaining

1011
00:37:30,275 --> 00:37:33,234
balance, main making sure that we're always checking

1012
00:37:33,234 --> 00:37:33,734
triggers.

1013
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:36,309
Right? So even though I don't have any

1014
00:37:36,309 --> 00:37:36,809
symptoms,

1015
00:37:37,110 --> 00:37:39,190
my diet is still right. I I play

1016
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:41,030
around with it, but I'm always checking my

1017
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:42,489
labs to make sure that

1018
00:37:42,789 --> 00:37:44,949
my labs are in the optimal range. And

1019
00:37:44,949 --> 00:37:46,630
and am I doing what I need to

1020
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:49,210
do? What how's my thinking? How's my meditation?

1021
00:37:49,269 --> 00:37:49,905
How's my

1022
00:37:50,385 --> 00:37:50,864
stress,

1023
00:37:51,265 --> 00:37:53,505
to keep it where I don't have any

1024
00:37:53,505 --> 00:37:55,824
symptoms and my immune system is not attacking

1025
00:37:55,824 --> 00:37:56,324
anymore.

1026
00:37:56,625 --> 00:37:58,704
And it's it's crazy because when you have

1027
00:37:58,704 --> 00:38:02,005
an autoimmune condition, any autoimmune condition,

1028
00:38:02,329 --> 00:38:05,389
you're at risk for developing multiple autoimmune diseases.

1029
00:38:05,449 --> 00:38:08,650
And so in order to stop yourself from

1030
00:38:08,650 --> 00:38:11,070
collecting these labels and these diseases,

1031
00:38:11,369 --> 00:38:14,170
you've got to work to stabilize the immune

1032
00:38:14,170 --> 00:38:16,184
system and get it balanced. And it has

1033
00:38:16,184 --> 00:38:18,585
to be a lifelong thing. And I think

1034
00:38:18,585 --> 00:38:20,445
a lot of people who have autoimmunity,

1035
00:38:21,545 --> 00:38:23,465
once they get to a place where they're

1036
00:38:23,465 --> 00:38:23,965
good,

1037
00:38:24,344 --> 00:38:26,985
they think, okay, I'm good. I don't have

1038
00:38:26,985 --> 00:38:28,985
Hashimoto's anymore. So I'm gonna go back and

1039
00:38:28,985 --> 00:38:29,885
eat gluten.

1040
00:38:30,289 --> 00:38:32,609
And so it's like, okay, that that you

1041
00:38:32,609 --> 00:38:33,510
missed the point.

1042
00:38:34,289 --> 00:38:36,469
Or whoever gave you the information

1043
00:38:36,849 --> 00:38:39,089
didn't give you the right information to allow

1044
00:38:39,089 --> 00:38:41,489
you to maintain where you were at. So

1045
00:38:41,489 --> 00:38:42,869
this has to be a lifestyle.

1046
00:38:43,235 --> 00:38:45,315
The goal is no symptoms. The goal is

1047
00:38:45,315 --> 00:38:48,114
optimal function and optimal labs. The goal is

1048
00:38:48,114 --> 00:38:50,614
to not develop all these other autoimmunity

1049
00:38:51,235 --> 00:38:52,295
autoimmune issues.

1050
00:38:52,594 --> 00:38:54,454
And I think it's interesting because

1051
00:38:54,914 --> 00:38:56,375
with autoimmune conditions,

1052
00:38:57,949 --> 00:38:59,789
sometimes we can go down the path of

1053
00:38:59,789 --> 00:39:00,609
why me,

1054
00:39:00,989 --> 00:39:03,150
and we feel like we are

1055
00:39:03,710 --> 00:39:06,109
something's wrong with us, or why do I

1056
00:39:06,109 --> 00:39:08,029
have to be this way and nobody else

1057
00:39:08,029 --> 00:39:10,529
has to eat this way and you know?

1058
00:39:10,750 --> 00:39:12,269
But this is one thing I will tell

1059
00:39:12,269 --> 00:39:12,769
you,

1060
00:39:13,844 --> 00:39:16,405
is that I have had patients say, my

1061
00:39:16,405 --> 00:39:18,905
husband can eat anything he wants, and he

1062
00:39:18,965 --> 00:39:21,684
is totally fine. And I I just say,

1063
00:39:21,684 --> 00:39:23,764
how many medications is your husband on? Oh,

1064
00:39:23,764 --> 00:39:25,465
he's like on four or five medications.

1065
00:39:25,925 --> 00:39:26,425
Like,

1066
00:39:26,859 --> 00:39:29,199
you're saying he doesn't have a weight problem,

1067
00:39:29,579 --> 00:39:31,199
but he's not fine.

1068
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:35,420
So our perception that other people don't have

1069
00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:37,900
to eat healthy to be healthy, that is

1070
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:40,075
not true. So what you might see on

1071
00:39:40,075 --> 00:39:40,735
the outside,

1072
00:39:41,195 --> 00:39:43,594
a lot of times, we have this stigma

1073
00:39:43,594 --> 00:39:45,994
that if you're thin, you're healthy, but that

1074
00:39:45,994 --> 00:39:49,375
is is absolutely not the case. And and

1075
00:39:49,594 --> 00:39:50,494
most people

1076
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:54,280
in The United States have some autoimmune disease

1077
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,780
or another. They have major blood sugar issues.

1078
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,239
And so don't let people say that they

1079
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,820
don't have a gluten sensitivity because I'm telling

1080
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,360
you that the study show that most do

1081
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,425
or they have their own food sensitivities, Everybody

1082
00:40:07,582 --> 00:40:08,082
should

1083
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:09,739
be

1084
00:40:10,896 --> 00:40:11,445
doing it. They're just choosing not to do

1085
00:40:11,445 --> 00:40:12,664
it. That

1086
00:40:18,659 --> 00:40:20,659
to do this. Everybody should be doing it.

1087
00:40:20,659 --> 00:40:22,659
They're just choosing not to do it. That

1088
00:40:22,659 --> 00:40:24,739
makes complete sense. Do most of the people

1089
00:40:24,739 --> 00:40:26,900
that work with you then wear, like, the

1090
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:27,400
continuous

1091
00:40:27,859 --> 00:40:30,420
monitors and do those sorts of things to

1092
00:40:30,420 --> 00:40:32,925
to in the beginning? And if that's the

1093
00:40:32,925 --> 00:40:34,785
case, how does insurance

1094
00:40:35,405 --> 00:40:37,324
come along for the ride with you? Or

1095
00:40:37,324 --> 00:40:38,925
is this all people have to come to

1096
00:40:38,925 --> 00:40:39,905
you on their own?

1097
00:40:40,364 --> 00:40:43,005
Most patients that we accept, yes, they do

1098
00:40:43,005 --> 00:40:45,585
wear a continuous glucose monitor in the beginning.

1099
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:47,510
So we can see, like, how they're doing,

1100
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:49,750
how stable is their blood sugar, how's food

1101
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:52,489
impacting. And then as we start to implement

1102
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:55,130
solutions, do we have their blood sugar regulated?

1103
00:40:55,989 --> 00:40:57,510
And then we keep up with them just

1104
00:40:57,510 --> 00:41:00,325
through blood work after that. Insurance does not

1105
00:41:00,325 --> 00:41:03,364
pay for continuous glucose monitors unless you're on

1106
00:41:03,364 --> 00:41:03,864
insulin.

1107
00:41:04,164 --> 00:41:06,664
We have a way to get these glucose

1108
00:41:06,724 --> 00:41:09,364
monitors that, you know, even if insurance was

1109
00:41:09,364 --> 00:41:10,965
paying for them, they're not that much more

1110
00:41:10,965 --> 00:41:13,109
expensive even if insurance was paying. We get

1111
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:16,150
discounted prices for, patients that go outside of

1112
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:16,650
insurance.

1113
00:41:16,949 --> 00:41:19,109
Okay. I think that's important to note just

1114
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:21,210
since insurance is a tricky business.

1115
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:22,889
When you work with a practitioner,

1116
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:25,269
like I'm a member of a a co

1117
00:41:25,269 --> 00:41:28,484
op. So a bunch of, doctors get together

1118
00:41:28,484 --> 00:41:30,164
and we buy down the cost of the

1119
00:41:30,164 --> 00:41:32,324
blood work. So the blood work that I

1120
00:41:32,324 --> 00:41:34,324
do with my patients, it like, if you

1121
00:41:34,324 --> 00:41:37,224
went through insurance, it's about $3,500.

1122
00:41:37,445 --> 00:41:40,324
But for a cash paying patient, it's only

1123
00:41:40,324 --> 00:41:41,385
$2.29.

1124
00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:44,400
So $229.

1125
00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:46,800
That's the difference in the markup? Mort.

1126
00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:49,980
Yeah. So it makes it easier. It's about

1127
00:41:49,980 --> 00:41:50,719
10%.

1128
00:41:50,780 --> 00:41:53,500
And the crazy thing is that these lab

1129
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:55,900
companies are still making money even on the

1130
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:56,880
$2.29,

1131
00:41:57,234 --> 00:41:59,234
you know, that that we do. And it's

1132
00:41:59,234 --> 00:42:02,135
it's it's absolutely crazy the markup

1133
00:42:02,434 --> 00:42:04,514
that happens between the lab and in the

1134
00:42:04,514 --> 00:42:06,994
insurance company, and then it falls back on

1135
00:42:06,994 --> 00:42:08,855
the patient. And it's hard to

1136
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:11,570
do a lot of testing because it can

1137
00:42:11,570 --> 00:42:13,650
be fight a financial burden, but not if

1138
00:42:13,650 --> 00:42:17,030
you're working, you know, with someone that understands

1139
00:42:17,090 --> 00:42:18,230
that and is outside

1140
00:42:18,769 --> 00:42:21,010
of the that. And for us, we don't

1141
00:42:21,010 --> 00:42:22,289
mark up our test at all. We just

1142
00:42:22,289 --> 00:42:22,711
give it to our patients for wholesale because

1143
00:42:22,711 --> 00:42:22,744
it's more important for us to have the

1144
00:42:22,744 --> 00:42:23,349
data so that we can apply the treatment.

1145
00:42:30,664 --> 00:42:31,164
Patient

1146
00:42:31,864 --> 00:42:33,385
not be able to do that. I I

1147
00:42:33,385 --> 00:42:33,885
just

1148
00:42:34,264 --> 00:42:35,324
I see it differently.

1149
00:42:35,784 --> 00:42:36,605
Yeah. Absolutely.

1150
00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:40,940
Well, thank you. I appreciate your time and

1151
00:42:40,940 --> 00:42:43,340
I hope anyone listening that's got some issues

1152
00:42:43,340 --> 00:42:45,519
will will reach out or at least

1153
00:42:45,820 --> 00:42:48,219
maybe start to think about the journey toward

1154
00:42:48,219 --> 00:42:49,760
health and feeling better.

1155
00:42:50,375 --> 00:42:51,894
The the truth of the matter is we

1156
00:42:51,894 --> 00:42:53,914
don't have to feel awful all the time.

1157
00:42:54,775 --> 00:42:57,275
Yeah. I think that's really important because

1158
00:42:57,815 --> 00:42:58,954
as we age,

1159
00:42:59,335 --> 00:43:01,655
the excuse that we get is that it

1160
00:43:01,734 --> 00:43:04,199
you feel this way because it's your age.

1161
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,559
And that doesn't allow us to to do

1162
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:09,239
anything about it like what are you gonna

1163
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,839
do that you're I don't know how old

1164
00:43:10,839 --> 00:43:12,679
you are. What am I gonna do that?

1165
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:15,019
I am 46 years old or 47.

1166
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,000
Well, there's nothing you can do about your

1167
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,614
age, but there is stuff you can do

1168
00:43:18,614 --> 00:43:20,474
about your physiology. And so,

1169
00:43:21,255 --> 00:43:23,735
it's never normal to have a symptom. I

1170
00:43:23,735 --> 00:43:25,355
don't care what age you are.

1171
00:43:25,735 --> 00:43:28,215
And if you think about that, like, if

1172
00:43:28,215 --> 00:43:30,535
it was because of your age, then every

1173
00:43:30,535 --> 00:43:33,300
single person at that age would have that

1174
00:43:33,300 --> 00:43:33,800
ailment.

1175
00:43:34,340 --> 00:43:36,420
I was talking to a patient earlier today,

1176
00:43:36,420 --> 00:43:38,280
and she said that she,

1177
00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:40,820
talked to her doctor. She gets these little

1178
00:43:40,820 --> 00:43:42,660
blisters on her hands, and then they pop

1179
00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:44,579
and their hands peel and then they itch

1180
00:43:44,579 --> 00:43:45,800
and they start bleeding.

1181
00:43:46,304 --> 00:43:48,065
And I'm like, oh, I know exactly what

1182
00:43:48,065 --> 00:43:49,744
that is. But then her doctor said the

1183
00:43:49,744 --> 00:43:52,164
reason you have that is because you're 48.

1184
00:43:52,304 --> 00:43:53,204
And she goes,

1185
00:43:53,585 --> 00:43:55,664
doctor Heather says it's not because of my

1186
00:43:55,664 --> 00:43:56,164
age.

1187
00:43:56,704 --> 00:43:58,545
And I'm like, okay. It's not just because

1188
00:43:58,545 --> 00:43:59,984
I say that. Why do you think that?

1189
00:43:59,984 --> 00:44:01,829
She She goes, because not every 48 year

1190
00:44:01,829 --> 00:44:03,989
old has this stuff on their hands. I

1191
00:44:03,989 --> 00:44:06,549
said, exactly. So it's just your body trying

1192
00:44:06,549 --> 00:44:08,710
to communicate with you that something's not right.

1193
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:10,949
Now let's go about fixing that. Right? But

1194
00:44:10,949 --> 00:44:12,630
if she thought, well, it was just her

1195
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:14,309
age, then she would say, well, this is

1196
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:15,945
a symptom that I have to live with

1197
00:44:15,945 --> 00:44:17,244
for the rest of my life.

1198
00:44:17,545 --> 00:44:19,864
And it's important for us to remember that

1199
00:44:19,864 --> 00:44:21,565
our bodies are born to heal.

1200
00:44:22,184 --> 00:44:24,204
We are a self healing organism.

1201
00:44:24,585 --> 00:44:27,065
The body can heal and you're not supposed

1202
00:44:27,065 --> 00:44:28,664
to be sick and you're not supposed to

1203
00:44:28,664 --> 00:44:29,325
have symptoms.

1204
00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:31,289
I have a guide friend that has that

1205
00:44:31,289 --> 00:44:33,289
same thing and it usually flares up in

1206
00:44:33,289 --> 00:44:33,789
his

1207
00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:36,730
deep stress times. And I when it first

1208
00:44:36,730 --> 00:44:38,730
started happening, he went to the doctor and

1209
00:44:38,730 --> 00:44:39,630
the doctor said,

1210
00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:42,010
oh, this is just a skin rash. It's

1211
00:44:42,010 --> 00:44:44,170
fine. I said I don't I think it's,

1212
00:44:44,410 --> 00:44:46,085
some sort of an auto immune. I think

1213
00:44:46,085 --> 00:44:48,184
your body's attacking you with stress.

1214
00:44:49,684 --> 00:44:50,565
Yeah. But doc,

1215
00:44:50,885 --> 00:44:53,304
guys, just so frustrating. So frustrating.

1216
00:44:53,925 --> 00:44:56,565
Anyway. So if for somebody listening that has

1217
00:44:56,565 --> 00:44:58,644
that, one of my best friends, when she

1218
00:44:58,644 --> 00:45:01,539
eats gluten, it happens. And my niece and

1219
00:45:01,539 --> 00:45:03,780
my sister, if they eat any dairy or

1220
00:45:03,780 --> 00:45:04,920
gluten, it happens.

1221
00:45:05,699 --> 00:45:07,619
And as soon as they get that out

1222
00:45:07,619 --> 00:45:09,699
and then clean up their gut, then, you

1223
00:45:09,699 --> 00:45:11,780
know, it it all clears up. So it

1224
00:45:11,780 --> 00:45:13,780
could be a food sensitivity, but you're right.

1225
00:45:13,780 --> 00:45:14,280
Any

1226
00:45:14,655 --> 00:45:17,295
stress just adds it's a load. Right? Food

1227
00:45:17,295 --> 00:45:20,175
sensitivities are a stress too. So it's the

1228
00:45:20,175 --> 00:45:21,934
the load of stress that the body can

1229
00:45:21,934 --> 00:45:22,434
tolerate.

1230
00:45:22,894 --> 00:45:23,635
So fascinating.

1231
00:45:23,934 --> 00:45:24,434
And

1232
00:45:24,815 --> 00:45:27,554
the food in The United States, at least,

1233
00:45:27,775 --> 00:45:30,114
lot different than the food elsewhere. Because

1234
00:45:30,869 --> 00:45:32,230
I know that when I was in Europe

1235
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:33,750
eating, when I was in Italy eating, when

1236
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:35,049
I was in Greece eating,

1237
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:36,569
I felt awesome.

1238
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:37,690
Yeah.

1239
00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:40,389
Yeah. I mean, it it is the way

1240
00:45:40,389 --> 00:45:42,949
that we process our food here. Right? You

1241
00:45:42,949 --> 00:45:45,875
know, especially when it comes to gluten. But

1242
00:45:45,875 --> 00:45:47,714
even even a clean diet, because I've stayed

1243
00:45:47,714 --> 00:45:49,875
away from gluten this, the minute I was

1244
00:45:49,875 --> 00:45:52,214
diagnosed. I might get it by accident occasionally

1245
00:45:52,275 --> 00:45:53,335
because it's a micro

1246
00:45:53,635 --> 00:45:55,574
thing that happens just in kitchens.

1247
00:45:56,194 --> 00:45:58,375
But I'm talking about the fruits and vegetables,

1248
00:45:58,594 --> 00:45:59,094
the

1249
00:45:59,394 --> 00:46:01,255
thing, yogurt, all those things.

1250
00:46:01,590 --> 00:46:03,769
Yes, it is everything, unfortunately

1251
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:06,390
in our food system. And it is a

1252
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:08,230
pretty eye opening when you look at the

1253
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:10,630
ingredients of the food that's sold here versus

1254
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:12,650
the food that's sold in Europe. Like

1255
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:15,605
they put poisons and toxins in our food

1256
00:46:15,605 --> 00:46:17,605
here that they don't allow in Europe. So

1257
00:46:17,605 --> 00:46:19,605
they alter the ingredients and so they can

1258
00:46:19,605 --> 00:46:21,304
sell it over there. Like,

1259
00:46:21,764 --> 00:46:23,844
what is going on? So but it is

1260
00:46:23,844 --> 00:46:26,485
pretty crazy, our food system here. It's sometimes

1261
00:46:26,485 --> 00:46:26,985
heartbreaking.

1262
00:46:28,269 --> 00:46:28,769
Yeah.

1263
00:46:29,070 --> 00:46:31,869
Dangerous. It's dangerous to eat. Tell people how

1264
00:46:31,869 --> 00:46:34,190
they can find you. They can find me

1265
00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:36,590
in two places. I wrote a book called

1266
00:46:36,590 --> 00:46:38,369
The Thyroid Transformation Blueprint,

1267
00:46:38,829 --> 00:46:40,530
and they can get that on Amazon.

1268
00:46:41,655 --> 00:46:43,974
Or I have a Facebook group called Happy,

1269
00:46:43,974 --> 00:46:44,875
Healthy, and

1270
00:46:45,255 --> 00:46:47,094
Lean. At the moment, I think we're at

1271
00:46:47,094 --> 00:46:48,394
27,000

1272
00:46:48,695 --> 00:46:51,094
ladies in that group, and it's such a

1273
00:46:51,094 --> 00:46:53,094
great support system. And that's where I typically

1274
00:46:53,094 --> 00:46:55,730
do a monthly master class, and I do

1275
00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:58,369
thyroid Thursday. So I deliver loads of content

1276
00:46:58,369 --> 00:47:00,369
there. Is it just is that an all

1277
00:47:00,369 --> 00:47:02,769
female group? Or is Yep. It is an

1278
00:47:02,769 --> 00:47:04,949
all female group. Do you have a male

1279
00:47:05,170 --> 00:47:07,585
oriented one as well? No. Not at this

1280
00:47:07,585 --> 00:47:09,605
time. I really for the moment,

1281
00:47:10,305 --> 00:47:12,224
I am just focusing on women. Do you

1282
00:47:12,224 --> 00:47:14,224
have a you have a website, yes, aside

1283
00:47:14,224 --> 00:47:16,864
from that group? I have a practice website.

1284
00:47:16,864 --> 00:47:18,385
The the best way to get to me

1285
00:47:18,385 --> 00:47:20,644
is is happy, healthy, and lean on Facebook.

1286
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:21,739
Okay. Perfect.

1287
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,960
Thank you so much for all of this

1288
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:24,460
information.

1289
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,980
You're welcome. You're welcome. It's been a pleasure.

1290
00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:31,659
I really appreciate your time. I, thank you,

1291
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,039
doctor Stone. I really appreciate it. Thank you

1292
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:35,260
for listening, everyone.

1293
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:38,805
I it's get healthy, be healthy, stay well.

1294
00:47:39,505 --> 00:47:41,585
Love your body, love the food you put

1295
00:47:41,585 --> 00:47:43,344
in them into your mouth, all the good

1296
00:47:43,344 --> 00:47:45,425
things. Thank you for being in the world

1297
00:47:45,425 --> 00:47:46,485
and helping people.

1298
00:47:47,105 --> 00:47:49,585
Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. I really

1299
00:47:49,585 --> 00:47:50,864
appreciate that of you and,

1300
00:47:51,469 --> 00:47:53,389
more power to you and I wish you

1301
00:47:53,469 --> 00:47:55,409
you already have great success, but

1302
00:47:55,710 --> 00:47:58,190
I'm just really glad that you're out there

1303
00:47:58,190 --> 00:48:00,190
doing what you do. So You're welcome. Thank

1304
00:48:00,190 --> 00:48:01,889
you for having me. It's been a pleasure.

1305
00:48:02,190 --> 00:48:03,250
Bye bye. Bye.

1306
00:48:05,164 --> 00:48:07,724
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1307
00:48:07,724 --> 00:48:11,164
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1308
00:48:11,164 --> 00:48:13,585
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