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Hey, humans. How's it going?

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Susan Ruth here. Thanks for listening to another

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episode

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of Hey Human podcast.

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This is episode 442,

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and my guest is Shane Peter Day, also

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known as Shane Day, also known as Shane

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Peter Jeffrey Day, depending on where you're looking.

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Shane is a writer, director, and producer. We

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met at a film festival in Ohio, nightmares

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fest, a great festival,

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and he told me about his adventures following

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in the footsteps of the beat writers, like

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Jack Kerouac, for example.

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His stories intrigued me so much. I was

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excited to have him on the show. I

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asked. He said, yes,

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and,

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we chatted for quite a while. Such an

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interesting guy. Has had a quite a fascinating

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life. His most recent film, The Neighborhood at

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the End of the World, is making its

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rounds in film festivals

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now.

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And thank you for listening. Here we go.

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Shane Day, welcome to Hey Human. Thank you

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very much, Susan, for having me. It's lovely

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to see you again.

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Yeah. You too.

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This is great.

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We met in,

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Columbus, Ohio at the Nightmares Film Festival,

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your film, The Neighborhood at the End of

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the World, got to be shown there. It

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was such a great festival.

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We've this past month, we've been to, jumping

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around to a bunch of festivals,

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and that one was absolutely one of the

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highlights. We've actually had a couple of movies

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play in the past years, but were never

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able to travel for them, one of which

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was mid pandemic,

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and then at that point, nightmares was online,

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and so we didn't get to travel. So

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this time, we we didn't miss it. Once

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we got accepted, we jumped down. Yeah. We

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got our flights, everything. Yeah. And I and

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and worth it. It was amazing. Everyone was

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so nice. All of the filmmakers treat each

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other with such

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high regard. It's it's lovely. I love the

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horror scene for that.

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Yeah. And congratulations

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on your new award. I saw that this

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morning. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. That was

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that one was very welcome.

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That one, we received very warmly. When we

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made the film, or at least when we

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were thinking about the film,

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we knew we wanted to make something that

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was bloody and fun, basically,

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and with a specific target in mind,

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which was Luchagore Productions.

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They make their films out of Vancouver here,

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and Mexico, of course, but I was a

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big fan of theirs and have since become

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friends with the the director,

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Gigi. So I really wanted to make something

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that they would watch and think was decent.

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Chilliwack Independent Film Festival, and this was the

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1st year for the genre of film award.

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that and it was presented by Luchigore. So

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for us, it was just a treat to

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it's the 1st year for that award. It

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was presented by Gigi,

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and it was a movie that, again, the

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so it just felt great. Like, all around,

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that one felt really good. Well, congratulations. It's

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such a cool looking award too. It is

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really cool. Yeah. It's fun to see going

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to all these festivals and seeing their awards,

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you know, when you get them. And I

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so different and so cool looking. And I

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love it. Yeah. Yeah. We also a couple

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of weeks ago, there was another one called

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the Vancouver Horror Show.

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short.

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And the award itself is an old VHS

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cassette with our poster on it and everything.

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it's literally a VHS cassette.

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in, but it still looks cool. Like to

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VHS with our poster on it. I I

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horror genre, the awards always look cool. Like

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I'm always excited to see what they look

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like. When we were talking at the festival,

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of course, you mentioned something to me, and

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we'll we'll get to that, that I thought

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was so intriguing. And and

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I'm so excited to hear all about that

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too. So but let's start at the beginning.

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Tell me about childhood. Well, I grew up

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in, a small

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fishing town in, Ontario

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Ontario, Canada where, it's called Hastings. Both 1,000

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people roughly. My mom and my brother, my

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older brother

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worked at and managed a small video store.

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or less in a pretty rural environment

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pretty I mean, in my experience at the

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time, a pretty decent video store and library.

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complete freedom to just

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the fields and the river and what on

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my own. So I had a pretty, I

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will say, a pretty good,

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comfortable childhood,

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in that I cultivated a love for literature

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and film

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very early on, and have not let go.

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I am being the youngest child myself. I

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get the theory of the door opens. We'll

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see you when it gets dark out, maybe.

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I get Yeah. I was a latchkey kid.

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mechanisms of, oh, you can't look at that

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or you can't read that, or were you

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really a free range child? Like, I

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so it was the eighties, and it was

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golden kinda moment for, like, Stephen King straight

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to TV made movies.

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So I was able to watch all those

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live, like, on TV. And I again, so

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I was 81, and when some of them

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were coming out, it was, like, mid eighties,

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the end of the eighties, which meant I'm

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quite young. But I watched them I watched

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everyone

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live with my mom and with my brother.

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I would always rent

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pretty trashy violent horror films with no no

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censor censorship from anybody.

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the only movie that was ever denied me,

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and this was my father, so it's it's

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a whole other story perhaps, but was Eddie

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Murphy's Raw.

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His stand up his stand up movie, Raw,

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was the only movie as a kid that

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I was not ever allowed to watch.

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never watched it, and I and it got

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to a point where I was, like, I

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I just I didn't care to seek it

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out anymore. I was on to other things.

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was, I probably early twenties,

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and it just didn't land for me. And

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I just remember thinking, like, this was the

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movie that I was never allowed to watch,

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yet the very first movie I remember watching

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as a kid was Nightmare on Elm Street.

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It's kinda just funny to think that I

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was not denied horror. And also, my brother

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would always buy new Stephen King novels, so

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I read Stephen King novels as a kid

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as well. So that stuff was never denied

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to me. There's movies that

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I still haven't watched only because

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my family was watching, and I just decided

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I wanted to go outside and play. Not

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because they were scary or traumatizing, I just

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wasn't in the mood, but yet I know

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they were just more horror movies that,

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were constantly circulating through my house. My mom

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wouldn't let me read. I I also was

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a free range. My parents

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basically, by the time I came along, they

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were just tired, I guess. But Yeah. And

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house full of books, library,

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card,

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movies, all the cable stations, everything like that.

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But my mom wouldn't let me read it.

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She said she said, I don't wanna be

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the one

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with you in the nightmares.

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I'm sure there were a couple that left

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me a little

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scarred to some degree, but don't think I

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was too affected by the books. Because, yeah,

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like I said, like, I, like, read lots

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of Christopher Pike or, R. L. Stine or

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Dean Koontz and Stephen King and different Clive

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Clive Barker. There was one author, Peter James,

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not the current famous Peter James. It's a

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different author, I think. British author who used

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to write some pretty fun horror that, again,

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as a young person, I loved. I don't

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know if they hold up now. That author

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had a couple of moments in his books

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that absolutely did scare me.

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of the Stephen King ones did. I oddly

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enough,

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they they never left me with any scars

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or anything. Was your group of friends into

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horror also? I was definitely the weirdo, but

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not like, it was it was a kind

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of a comfortable

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warmly embraced weirdo. I was always the one

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introducing my friends to pretty messed up movies.

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I remember when we were 14, showing some

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of my friends Clockwork Orange for the first

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time, and these were new friends in high

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school who had no idea who I was,

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so for them

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it was traumatizing. Yeah, that's a big movie.

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Yeah. And again, I had already seen it,

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I had owned it at that point. When

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I think back on it, part of why

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pushing forward with horror now,

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after several years of travel and other, and

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school and other things, is

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I suppose partially because I finally have found

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a horror community of people that have made

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me feel more like that's it's a good

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thing to be in horror. Like, it's not

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you're not a weirdo so much. Like, I

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had teachers

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and adults all my life who were always

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wondering

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why I wrote

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horror short stories.

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They're always wondering, like, why why is that

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your thing? And I I never had an

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answer. It was just the thing I would

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like to do and the thing that came

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in my imagination.

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Adults made me feel like a weirdo. Whereas

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now now I finally found a community of

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people who love horror, and I'm just running

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with it because it just feels good to

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to celebrate horror with people. When did you

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write your first story?

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Probably grade 2. Oh, young. What is that?

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How yeah. How old is that?

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Grade 2 would be around 6 or 7,

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I guess. 7, maybe? 7, 8? And I

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remember it was called the cat from hell,

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and,

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Otherwise known as the cat. Yeah. Well, exactly,

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like Cats are little demons. I love them,

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but they could be demons.

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Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

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I don't recall too much about the story

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and what happened. I do know that there

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was a moment in it where my brother

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dies,

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the cat killed the my brother, so I

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had to try to kill the cat. And

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I remember there's a moment what the only

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thing I remember was that I wrote the

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line, it's time to send you back to

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hell.

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And

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when I got my teacher to read it,

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I remember being so tense that she was

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going to get reprimand me for that.

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But she didn't at all. Like, she even

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read it out loud to me, like, while

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we're sitting together. And when she got to

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that line, she just kinda kept going past

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it. And I remember thinking, like, okay, so

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I guess that's okay. Like, I guess I'm

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in the clear. What a joy that you

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had, firstly, to grow up in a place

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where you were in a video store all

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the time, where your family was in a

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video store, that to me is kid that's

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the like in the kid in a candy

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store. Yeah. That's exactly what it was. Yeah.

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What a great way to give you a

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fertile mind. But I can only imagine the

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adults, as you mentioned, looking at you killing

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off members of your family thinking psychotherapy maybe

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is good for this kid.

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It's it's funny you say that because just

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the other day I was talking to my

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partner about how my grandmother and one of

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my aunts did have a moment where they

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were concerned about me, because I think I

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was about 13 or 14 when I I

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wrote

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an attempt at writing a novel. They were

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looking at some of the language within it,

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and so they absolutely were a little concerned

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because of the language I was using, but

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obviously that didn't amount to, I don't think.

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I don't think I'm I've turned into any

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kind of weird adult, but,

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No more weird than the rest of us.

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Well, I was just gonna say kinda kinda

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sadly. Like, sometimes I wish I was a

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bit weirder. Feel like I'm a bit sober.

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Vanilla.

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That's against you get out all your demons

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in That's right. This genre.

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That's right. And I always have. Tell me

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about when you discovered Jack Kerouac. That was

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early high school. It most likely was the

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book on the road. There was a point

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where kind of like an obsessive

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sort of dive, deep dive,

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where I just threw myself into the beats,

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mid high school, like around grade 10 or

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11 or somewhere around there,

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and I just ate everything I could, like,

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from obviously from, like, the famous ones. But

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everyone, even to Carolyn Cassidy, I tracked down

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her her version her off the road novel,

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and,

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yeah, I was just consuming anything by the

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beats to the point that my my graduation

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quote is from,

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is from Kerouac. 2 days after graduation, me

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and a few of my friends hitchhiked

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through the states to California

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and lived in California

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for a couple of months in trees and

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under buildings and stuff, trying to get that

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flavor

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that of the beets that we just fell

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in love with. And yeah, and I just

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kept following. I even followed it around the

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world for a while at one point living

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in Paris,

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and I was gifted

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magically

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an opportunity to live in a,

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Shakespeare and Co, that bookstore across from Notre

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Dame.

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I got to live in the room that

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Lawrence Ferlinghetti

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and Burrows and Bukowski and different people all

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wrote from, so So that was just like

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another magical gift from just being a hitchhiker

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and saying the right thing, basically, to somebody.

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So, yeah, that's that definitely that journey kinda

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continues to follow me around.

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That's such an intriguing thing to decide to

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do. I'm curious how your family reacted to

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that, and

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also, I'd love to hear some anecdotal

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instances,

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especially for a hitchhiker

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because that that comes with its own level

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of horror, I would imagine at some points.

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But tell me tell me some stories around

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this.

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I don't know what it is exactly, but

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I've I feel like I've generally been safe

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all my life. Like, I I put myself

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in pretty harrowing,

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situations. But

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when

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when I try to recall

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the scary or

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tense situations,

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I actually do struggle to find good examples

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because

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for the most part, I've been pretty lucky.

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I mean, there's definitely been people who appear

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and you don't know what to make of

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them, and you spend a good half hour

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or so wondering

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what's this person's deal.

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But for the most part, everything's everything always

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kinda went

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pretty well. Like I have nothing but positive

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things to say, like meeting unhoused people who

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actually came to inspire

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some of my philosophies, you know? For example?

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There was one person called

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Babylon Bob.

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Amazing that I remember that. There was one

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person named Babylon Bob, who I met in

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under Cannery Row in Monterey, California there. We

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were living under some building, like, right by

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the coast, it was a derelict building.

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1 of the people who came to basically

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sleep down there with us was a man

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named Babylon Bob,

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and

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he was just wonderful and terrific. Like, kind

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of a Walt Whitman type, you know, long

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beard,

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very confident and kinda beautiful in their in

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their old age. But just had a very

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beautiful philosophy on the way way to interact

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with a society that's constantly needs more from

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you, but gives less back.

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And I think characters like him and having

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the opportunity to talk to him because he

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didn't

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again, he was he was unhoused. I don't

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I wouldn't say he was homeless, because he

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had a beautiful community of people around him

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and that he called home, so

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his whole view of just kind of living

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simply and

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and warmly

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and openly,

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I think, has just carried forward with me

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ever since. And, yeah, it's just kinda paid

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off. Like, I and and try to try

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to give that back wherever you can whenever

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you meet a stranger who just just either

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needs an ear or they just need

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a single word of uplifting

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something, you know? How did you support this

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lifestyle?

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Because you had to eat and things.

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Yeah. We

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we actually,

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at at several points, we stayed with Hare

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Krishnas in their temples.

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So we would stay there, or we would

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find

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gardens or

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farmland that we would sleep in,

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and then kinda just find food not bombs

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or different people, like food places that are

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offering it, and just kinda learned how to

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eat simply and

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and, yeah, and just sustainably for ourselves. For

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several months, I I think I I think

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I went with $45

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in my pocket. Like, I left Ontario

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with $45 in my pocket and spent several

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months on that somehow.

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But that was the goal. The goal was

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to go with nothing and see what how

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we could survive, and I think we just

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did, again, off the whether it was the

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kindness of strangers or

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lucky circumstance of, you know, being in the

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right park at the right time when people

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are offering food and How many were with

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you?

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There were 6 of us total, and we

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we hitchhiked in pairs,

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but we managed to always stay

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grouped. Like, even if one got dropped off

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hours later, we would just always magically regroup

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without really any effort. This was before cell

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phones and everything else, so,

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yeah, we stayed together the entire time. We

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we lived in,

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Big Sur

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for a while together, and we just camped

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out there, and then eventually

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we all hitchhiked back up into Canada,

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at which point I had family here in

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BC, so my uncle took me in, and

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wildly took my friends in as well.

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So he let us have the basement for

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a couple of weeks while we basically regrouped

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and got ourselves, you know, ready to either

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move on or whatever it was. Yeah. There

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were so in in in the end, there

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were 6 of us, and,

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they're still they're still

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very close to me, like, they're still members

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of my heart deeply.

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Yeah. How do you disengage

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from a lifestyle like that? And also, what

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was it like with the Hare Krishnas?

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The Hare Krishnas were lovely. I my one

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of my basically, my first girlfriend that I

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ever had in high school was a Hare

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Krishna girl, and,

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I became very tight with her family.

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And I

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I loved while I was learning about the

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beats and I was learning about existentialism

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and such, I was also learning about,

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Eastern philosophies. And then when Hari Krishna came

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in, it just really seemed to slot in

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nice and easily. And it was just, again,

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it was something new to

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to absorb, and I think that was the

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thing about my group of friends was we

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were sponges for information and and knowledge. And

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so for us, it was

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kind of a no brainer. This is something

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new to us, and we're saying yes to

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it. And they were they were amazing. They

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took us in. They fed us. We took

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part in their their

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festivities. I will say there was one funny

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story, however, though, I was reading at the

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time, I was reading

539
00:19:08,305 --> 00:19:10,144
this is gonna sound very strange for a

540
00:19:10,144 --> 00:19:13,184
Hare Krishna temple, but I was reading, Helter

541
00:19:13,184 --> 00:19:15,230
Skelter at the time. Oh. And,

542
00:19:15,710 --> 00:19:17,069
because it just happened to me again. I'm

543
00:19:17,069 --> 00:19:19,069
going to California. I'm gonna take Helter Skelter

544
00:19:19,069 --> 00:19:20,929
with me for whatever sick reason.

545
00:19:21,230 --> 00:19:23,069
1 of the Hare Krishna fellas saw me

546
00:19:23,069 --> 00:19:23,890
reading it

547
00:19:24,269 --> 00:19:26,029
and was wondering why I would choose that

548
00:19:26,029 --> 00:19:27,470
over the Bhagavad Gita. And I was like,

549
00:19:27,470 --> 00:19:29,329
well, you know, I'm a reader. I read

550
00:19:29,845 --> 00:19:31,525
endlessly. And he's like, yeah, but there's only

551
00:19:31,525 --> 00:19:32,825
one book that you should ever,

552
00:19:33,605 --> 00:19:35,525
use give your time to. And he's like,

553
00:19:35,525 --> 00:19:37,225
okay. Okay. I get it.

554
00:19:38,245 --> 00:19:39,845
But that was that was probably the only

555
00:19:39,845 --> 00:19:41,865
moment where there was, like, any kind of,

556
00:19:42,190 --> 00:19:45,150
not discrepancy, but, like Yeah. Little conflict of

557
00:19:45,150 --> 00:19:46,769
who I was in that space.

558
00:19:47,070 --> 00:19:49,070
Yeah. Have you read the Barhad Veda? It's

559
00:19:49,070 --> 00:19:51,390
beautiful. I have. Yes. Yeah. It's really lovely.

560
00:19:51,390 --> 00:19:52,990
It is really lovely. I don't think it

561
00:19:52,990 --> 00:19:54,255
would be the only book I'd ever wanna

562
00:19:54,255 --> 00:19:56,015
read, but it's very lovely. That's just it.

563
00:19:56,015 --> 00:19:57,375
Well, that's just it because there's also the

564
00:19:57,375 --> 00:19:58,755
Mahabharata and the Ramayana.

565
00:19:59,055 --> 00:20:00,575
You know, like, those books just throw those

566
00:20:00,575 --> 00:20:03,315
in with that that list. Okay. So what

567
00:20:03,775 --> 00:20:04,595
was your

568
00:20:05,295 --> 00:20:06,674
mode to disentangle

569
00:20:07,295 --> 00:20:09,855
from that life? Because I imagine it shaped

570
00:20:09,855 --> 00:20:12,730
you deeply, especially because you were young

571
00:20:13,269 --> 00:20:13,769
and

572
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:17,849
we live in a consumer forward world.

573
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:20,650
So how does one make that transition?

574
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:24,069
It's a good question. I would say my

575
00:20:24,069 --> 00:20:24,569
answer

576
00:20:25,294 --> 00:20:27,294
was a long one, to be honest. It

577
00:20:27,294 --> 00:20:28,115
was a long

578
00:20:28,575 --> 00:20:29,954
journey, really, because

579
00:20:30,335 --> 00:20:31,154
after that,

580
00:20:31,694 --> 00:20:33,934
I hitchhiked back and forth across Canada a

581
00:20:33,934 --> 00:20:35,454
lot trying to see more of it as

582
00:20:35,454 --> 00:20:37,535
well, and I did that over the years.

583
00:20:37,535 --> 00:20:39,634
And then eventually I ended up

584
00:20:40,610 --> 00:20:41,110
traveling

585
00:20:41,730 --> 00:20:42,549
into Europe

586
00:20:43,009 --> 00:20:44,950
and doing it for a couple years,

587
00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:48,710
and hitchhiking as well there and other things,

588
00:20:48,769 --> 00:20:50,309
which eventually led into

589
00:20:50,769 --> 00:20:53,350
Egypt and Jordan, and then India and

590
00:20:53,984 --> 00:20:55,825
Southeast Asia. And it just I kinda kept

591
00:20:55,825 --> 00:20:57,984
going for a total of I think it

592
00:20:57,984 --> 00:20:59,365
was total of 5 years.

593
00:20:59,664 --> 00:21:00,164
And

594
00:21:01,025 --> 00:21:03,664
in that, I started obviously maturing. I started

595
00:21:03,664 --> 00:21:04,164
getting

596
00:21:04,704 --> 00:21:07,444
more of a desire to have some rooted

597
00:21:07,505 --> 00:21:08,644
space for myself,

598
00:21:09,269 --> 00:21:11,049
especially because I really wanted to

599
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:14,150
arrange my library. I I desperately just wanted

600
00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:16,650
a space for my books, so that

601
00:21:17,269 --> 00:21:19,849
desire to have a space and kind of

602
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:21,450
get working in

603
00:21:22,394 --> 00:21:23,855
in culture, in society,

604
00:21:24,315 --> 00:21:26,015
started growing more and festering.

605
00:21:26,394 --> 00:21:28,234
And by the end of my journey, I

606
00:21:28,234 --> 00:21:29,775
was teaching English in Indonesia,

607
00:21:30,475 --> 00:21:30,975
and

608
00:21:31,914 --> 00:21:33,455
as a result, I think I started

609
00:21:33,914 --> 00:21:36,015
warming up to the idea that it's time

610
00:21:36,795 --> 00:21:39,779
to get back to and also to finally

611
00:21:39,779 --> 00:21:42,759
time to actually attack my goals, which was

612
00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:44,019
to be a writer and to be a

613
00:21:44,019 --> 00:21:46,500
filmmaker. And it so I which is was

614
00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:47,240
really difficult

615
00:21:47,539 --> 00:21:48,279
while traveling,

616
00:21:48,660 --> 00:21:50,855
obviously. So I think that had a lot

617
00:21:50,855 --> 00:21:51,735
to do with it. I was just starting

618
00:21:51,735 --> 00:21:53,015
to feel like, okay, I've had a lot

619
00:21:53,015 --> 00:21:55,255
of experiences. I've met a lot of people

620
00:21:55,255 --> 00:21:56,795
and heard a lot of good stories,

621
00:21:57,095 --> 00:21:58,855
but I think it's time for me to

622
00:21:58,855 --> 00:22:00,715
start actually trying to

623
00:22:01,815 --> 00:22:04,555
channel my thoughts and channel all of these

624
00:22:04,615 --> 00:22:06,930
stories that I have, you know,

625
00:22:07,549 --> 00:22:09,390
brewing in my heart. I need to get

626
00:22:09,390 --> 00:22:11,549
them down somewhere and start sharing and learn

627
00:22:11,630 --> 00:22:13,970
and also learn how to communicate back. Basically,

628
00:22:14,349 --> 00:22:15,950
it was it was a good test, all

629
00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:18,109
my travels, to learn how to listen, but

630
00:22:18,109 --> 00:22:20,049
now I I wanted to learn how to

631
00:22:20,275 --> 00:22:22,755
speak and express, and I think that had

632
00:22:22,755 --> 00:22:24,194
a lot to do with it. And so

633
00:22:24,275 --> 00:22:24,855
and also

634
00:22:25,315 --> 00:22:27,954
all of those adventures, I think, in some

635
00:22:27,954 --> 00:22:31,414
ways, really did help strip me of judgement

636
00:22:32,035 --> 00:22:32,694
and expectations

637
00:22:33,075 --> 00:22:35,015
and other things of other people.

638
00:22:35,609 --> 00:22:37,950
So I started to look back into

639
00:22:38,490 --> 00:22:40,190
what my my ideologies

640
00:22:40,569 --> 00:22:41,069
were,

641
00:22:41,529 --> 00:22:43,609
and to hopefully throw them away and start

642
00:22:43,609 --> 00:22:45,289
fresh. And so I think that had a

643
00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:46,569
lot to do with it, was to finally

644
00:22:46,569 --> 00:22:47,849
come back around and be like, okay. I'm

645
00:22:47,849 --> 00:22:49,690
not I'm not a young I'm not a

646
00:22:49,690 --> 00:22:50,509
young beatnik

647
00:22:51,355 --> 00:22:51,855
anymore.

648
00:22:52,394 --> 00:22:53,054
You know?

649
00:22:53,434 --> 00:22:54,654
I I need to

650
00:22:55,034 --> 00:22:57,275
cultivate something else now. And I think what

651
00:22:57,275 --> 00:22:59,034
I what I wanted to do is cultivate

652
00:22:59,034 --> 00:23:00,414
a film community, and

653
00:23:00,794 --> 00:23:02,734
and keep kind of supporting

654
00:23:03,275 --> 00:23:05,454
other artists that I knew, as well as

655
00:23:06,059 --> 00:23:08,779
learning how to collaborate and create a community

656
00:23:08,779 --> 00:23:10,380
with it. So I think that became more

657
00:23:10,380 --> 00:23:11,519
important to me than

658
00:23:11,899 --> 00:23:14,480
than standing by an ideology of anti

659
00:23:14,859 --> 00:23:17,740
anything, really. Were there women traveling in your

660
00:23:17,740 --> 00:23:19,259
group of 6? There was. Yeah. We were

661
00:23:19,259 --> 00:23:20,159
an even split.

662
00:23:20,494 --> 00:23:23,315
One of the no, there was 2 couples.

663
00:23:23,375 --> 00:23:24,975
Actually, no, there was 8 of us, not

664
00:23:24,975 --> 00:23:26,434
6 of us. There was 2 couples

665
00:23:27,295 --> 00:23:29,134
and 2 men and 2 women who weren't

666
00:23:29,134 --> 00:23:30,894
couples. So yeah, it was actually 8 people,

667
00:23:30,894 --> 00:23:33,055
not 6. And yeah. Yeah. Then we had

668
00:23:33,055 --> 00:23:34,835
women with us, and

669
00:23:35,149 --> 00:23:37,630
I can't obviously speak for them, but in

670
00:23:37,630 --> 00:23:38,289
terms of

671
00:23:38,669 --> 00:23:39,169
overall

672
00:23:40,029 --> 00:23:41,789
comfort and safety and all that, I think

673
00:23:41,789 --> 00:23:43,869
we're all pretty good. Like, I I don't

674
00:23:43,869 --> 00:23:46,369
think we ever had any issues amongst ourselves.

675
00:23:46,669 --> 00:23:48,509
And since we were always together, I can't

676
00:23:48,750 --> 00:23:50,849
I don't foresee that anything else came

677
00:23:51,494 --> 00:23:53,335
from any kind of shadows that I missed

678
00:23:53,335 --> 00:23:55,414
or anything. Yeah. I'm sure traveling in a

679
00:23:55,414 --> 00:23:56,795
pack is much safer

680
00:23:57,335 --> 00:24:00,075
than women traveling alone and having that experience.

681
00:24:01,015 --> 00:24:02,875
Was your family growing up

682
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:05,029
religious at all? Was there any sort of

683
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:08,309
ideology or philosophy that you had to either

684
00:24:08,309 --> 00:24:10,549
embrace and or shun in order to go

685
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:11,529
off on your adventure?

686
00:24:12,309 --> 00:24:14,970
Yeah. Actually, we were Roman Catholic, and

687
00:24:15,474 --> 00:24:16,774
I actually loved

688
00:24:17,234 --> 00:24:19,315
being Roman Catholic for the most of my

689
00:24:19,315 --> 00:24:19,815
childhood,

690
00:24:20,434 --> 00:24:23,234
and I think also just my inquisitive mind

691
00:24:23,234 --> 00:24:24,694
just kinda led me towards

692
00:24:26,274 --> 00:24:29,315
recognizing I'm not Roman Catholic anymore. I still

693
00:24:29,315 --> 00:24:29,815
have,

694
00:24:30,150 --> 00:24:31,670
I I will be honest and say that

695
00:24:31,670 --> 00:24:32,890
I I maintain

696
00:24:33,509 --> 00:24:33,910
my,

697
00:24:34,309 --> 00:24:37,529
sort of Christ conscious sort of headspace,

698
00:24:37,910 --> 00:24:38,410
but

699
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:40,390
when it comes to religion and all that

700
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:43,190
stuff, I definitely have removed myself from any

701
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:44,009
kind of organized

702
00:24:44,505 --> 00:24:45,005
cult,

703
00:24:45,625 --> 00:24:48,265
essentially. But I am very thankful for growing

704
00:24:48,265 --> 00:24:49,484
up with it because

705
00:24:49,865 --> 00:24:51,704
I think that actually would be where my

706
00:24:51,704 --> 00:24:53,545
love for story started. I think my love

707
00:24:53,545 --> 00:24:55,865
for story started with the bible because, yeah,

708
00:24:55,865 --> 00:24:58,423
it was it's a fun adventure novel. You

709
00:24:58,423 --> 00:24:59,669
know? Oh, it's epic.

710
00:24:59,970 --> 00:25:02,369
Yeah. It's epic. Exactly. And, and I and

711
00:25:02,369 --> 00:25:04,130
I did love it. I loved going to

712
00:25:04,130 --> 00:25:05,730
religion class. I loved going to church. I

713
00:25:05,730 --> 00:25:07,509
loved hearing about it and talking about it.

714
00:25:07,809 --> 00:25:09,990
But and I and I was absolutely

715
00:25:10,450 --> 00:25:12,585
raised with a bit of a, you know,

716
00:25:13,044 --> 00:25:14,585
the the the ruler as a smack,

717
00:25:15,044 --> 00:25:16,964
if I stepped out of line. So I

718
00:25:16,964 --> 00:25:19,065
definitely know, I definitely did experience

719
00:25:20,085 --> 00:25:20,904
kinda harsh

720
00:25:21,444 --> 00:25:22,345
Roman Catholic

721
00:25:22,884 --> 00:25:23,384
consequences.

722
00:25:23,765 --> 00:25:25,444
But yeah, like for the most part, I

723
00:25:25,444 --> 00:25:27,179
actually had a pretty good childhood when it

724
00:25:27,179 --> 00:25:29,279
comes to my engagement with religion.

725
00:25:29,740 --> 00:25:31,200
So me leaving

726
00:25:32,220 --> 00:25:33,200
religion behind

727
00:25:33,740 --> 00:25:34,720
was a very

728
00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:38,859
intentional conscious choice, not necessarily rejection of anything

729
00:25:38,859 --> 00:25:40,955
bad that happened. It just became part of

730
00:25:40,955 --> 00:25:43,815
the journey of learning for me. Roman Catholics,

731
00:25:44,195 --> 00:25:46,195
if anyone was gonna get into horror, it'd

732
00:25:46,195 --> 00:25:48,515
be the Roman Catholics and their demons and

733
00:25:48,515 --> 00:25:50,355
their saints and all of the That's right.

734
00:25:50,355 --> 00:25:52,695
You know, that there's such great storytelling

735
00:25:53,075 --> 00:25:53,734
in that.

736
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,019
And and honestly, everything's there. Like,

737
00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:00,200
anything that has since been used in in

738
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:00,940
horror fiction,

739
00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:03,579
rampant through the bible. Right? Right.

740
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,420
From from pretty

741
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:06,380
horrendous

742
00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:07,339
behavior

743
00:26:07,884 --> 00:26:11,005
that somehow in certain parts is okay or

744
00:26:11,005 --> 00:26:13,484
at least nobody really discusses anymore. I still

745
00:26:13,484 --> 00:26:15,025
come back to it. Like, I'll still

746
00:26:15,404 --> 00:26:16,704
find myself drawn

747
00:26:17,005 --> 00:26:18,605
to it as a story. Like, if I

748
00:26:18,605 --> 00:26:20,765
see a new documentary or a new book

749
00:26:20,765 --> 00:26:22,544
or something, an essay on

750
00:26:23,019 --> 00:26:25,019
religion, I'll absolutely jump in because I I

751
00:26:25,019 --> 00:26:26,619
still have a great love for it. As

752
00:26:26,619 --> 00:26:27,920
I say, as more of like

753
00:26:28,539 --> 00:26:29,200
a narrative

754
00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:30,400
Observation.

755
00:26:30,779 --> 00:26:33,039
Yeah. Yeah. Observer. Yeah. Yeah.

756
00:26:34,220 --> 00:26:35,200
Having traveled

757
00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:38,134
all over the world, did you have any

758
00:26:38,355 --> 00:26:38,855
experience

759
00:26:39,235 --> 00:26:40,775
with anything spooky?

760
00:26:41,075 --> 00:26:43,394
Yeah. Not in your head, but actually in

761
00:26:43,394 --> 00:26:45,255
the world at large. Definitely

762
00:26:46,275 --> 00:26:49,255
smatterings of it in all of my adventures

763
00:26:49,475 --> 00:26:53,210
before Southeast Asia, but Southeast Asia was where

764
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:54,330
I feel

765
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:57,130
it was the most real.

766
00:26:57,509 --> 00:26:59,269
Like, it was exactly as you said. It

767
00:26:59,269 --> 00:27:02,549
wasn't my imagination. It wasn't my passion for

768
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:05,075
ghosts or whatever. It was real because,

769
00:27:05,775 --> 00:27:07,875
staff housing for all the other teachers

770
00:27:08,255 --> 00:27:09,875
that that were teaching in Indonesia.

771
00:27:10,654 --> 00:27:11,154
And

772
00:27:12,095 --> 00:27:14,455
I came late, so everybody kinda comes in,

773
00:27:14,455 --> 00:27:16,255
you know, at certain periods of the year

774
00:27:16,255 --> 00:27:18,200
depending on their contract, but I came in

775
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,440
after most of them had established friendships and

776
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:20,940
such.

777
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:21,820
And

778
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,660
I remember this,

779
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:24,940
home

780
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,080
a couple of nights. I, you know, go

781
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,299
from my room to the bathroom,

782
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,424
and it's dark, and you absolutely do feel

783
00:27:31,424 --> 00:27:33,664
this creeping sensation. Like, and it was intense.

784
00:27:33,664 --> 00:27:35,744
It wasn't just like the usual, like, it's

785
00:27:35,744 --> 00:27:37,765
in my head. It was actually very intense.

786
00:27:38,305 --> 00:27:40,384
And you'd stop, and you'd almost you'd almost

787
00:27:40,384 --> 00:27:43,184
feel the presence actually is on you, and

788
00:27:43,184 --> 00:27:44,244
this happened often.

789
00:27:44,730 --> 00:27:46,329
And often, I would come out of my

790
00:27:46,329 --> 00:27:48,349
room and I would see a silhouette

791
00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:49,230
of

792
00:27:49,529 --> 00:27:50,190
a shadow

793
00:27:50,730 --> 00:27:52,190
with a top hat

794
00:27:52,490 --> 00:27:53,230
as somebody,

795
00:27:53,929 --> 00:27:55,789
and it was very real. It was there.

796
00:27:56,170 --> 00:27:56,670
And

797
00:27:57,164 --> 00:27:59,244
I'd go, I'd either leave the room or

798
00:27:59,244 --> 00:28:01,424
whatnot, and it would disappear, and

799
00:28:01,965 --> 00:28:03,644
it would be there again, or whatever. So

800
00:28:03,644 --> 00:28:04,625
it happened often,

801
00:28:05,005 --> 00:28:05,904
and I remember

802
00:28:06,365 --> 00:28:08,065
later talking to the other teachers,

803
00:28:08,845 --> 00:28:09,345
and

804
00:28:09,789 --> 00:28:12,509
they all started corroborating this that they all

805
00:28:12,509 --> 00:28:13,009
experienced

806
00:28:13,390 --> 00:28:14,210
it as well,

807
00:28:14,509 --> 00:28:16,829
but at different times from each other, and

808
00:28:16,829 --> 00:28:19,309
all kept it secret until they all shared

809
00:28:19,309 --> 00:28:22,029
it. So once I finally shared it, I

810
00:28:22,029 --> 00:28:23,970
was just another person adding to

811
00:28:24,430 --> 00:28:24,930
this.

812
00:28:25,515 --> 00:28:27,455
When I left this place

813
00:28:27,994 --> 00:28:28,815
for years,

814
00:28:30,075 --> 00:28:31,295
every once in a while,

815
00:28:32,075 --> 00:28:34,955
I would I'd hear this buzz, almost like

816
00:28:34,955 --> 00:28:37,195
flies. I'd hear this buzz around my head

817
00:28:37,195 --> 00:28:38,910
while I'm trying to sleep, and there was

818
00:28:38,910 --> 00:28:40,750
never anything there. But it would just be

819
00:28:40,750 --> 00:28:42,910
present, so you just kinda dismiss it. But

820
00:28:42,910 --> 00:28:44,830
I remember living I ended up moving to

821
00:28:44,830 --> 00:28:45,970
a house in Saskatchewan

822
00:28:46,509 --> 00:28:47,250
in the prairies,

823
00:28:47,789 --> 00:28:49,809
and this place was haunted.

824
00:28:50,110 --> 00:28:52,769
It had so many things. Like, doors that

825
00:28:53,284 --> 00:28:55,684
are hard to open because they're pretty wedged

826
00:28:55,684 --> 00:28:58,085
between the carpet and the door frame, so

827
00:28:58,085 --> 00:29:00,325
it's really hard to open. I'd watch those

828
00:29:00,325 --> 00:29:01,944
things slowly open,

829
00:29:02,724 --> 00:29:04,164
like watch it. I'd just be sitting there

830
00:29:04,164 --> 00:29:06,505
writing at night, and it'd be opening.

831
00:29:07,019 --> 00:29:09,420
And so I'd experienced these buzz this buzzing

832
00:29:09,420 --> 00:29:09,920
again.

833
00:29:10,940 --> 00:29:13,759
And soon after that, I learned about the,

834
00:29:14,059 --> 00:29:15,740
I think it's called the tall man or

835
00:29:15,740 --> 00:29:18,220
the tall hat man, or The hat man

836
00:29:18,220 --> 00:29:18,960
is how

837
00:29:19,294 --> 00:29:21,694
he's generally referred to. Yeah. And it's a

838
00:29:21,694 --> 00:29:23,615
lot of times little kids see him. I

839
00:29:23,615 --> 00:29:25,375
just learned about this, and the way they

840
00:29:25,375 --> 00:29:27,535
describe it, even the hat, I was like,

841
00:29:27,535 --> 00:29:29,615
that I saw this person. Mhmm. And then

842
00:29:29,615 --> 00:29:31,875
I kinda kept digging, and I learned that

843
00:29:32,174 --> 00:29:33,474
oftentimes if people

844
00:29:34,099 --> 00:29:35,859
carry their ghost or whatever the ghost gets

845
00:29:35,859 --> 00:29:36,599
latched on,

846
00:29:36,980 --> 00:29:39,460
you can tell by this buzzing sound that

847
00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:41,460
follows you around. And so I started putting

848
00:29:41,460 --> 00:29:42,820
all these pieces together, and I was like,

849
00:29:42,820 --> 00:29:44,500
wait, I think this is there's something to

850
00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:47,184
this. Like, because I'm I'm not I'm not

851
00:29:47,184 --> 00:29:48,404
overly skeptical,

852
00:29:48,945 --> 00:29:50,965
but I'm also not overly

853
00:29:51,984 --> 00:29:52,484
Right.

854
00:29:52,945 --> 00:29:55,505
Open ended, you know? So I I I

855
00:29:55,505 --> 00:29:57,265
can say with certainty that this one was

856
00:29:57,265 --> 00:29:59,045
real. Like, I saw this thing,

857
00:29:59,505 --> 00:30:00,404
this spirit.

858
00:30:00,869 --> 00:30:02,309
I believe it was following me for a

859
00:30:02,309 --> 00:30:03,910
while, and I actually did believe it, like

860
00:30:03,910 --> 00:30:05,509
I would talk about it. And then I

861
00:30:05,509 --> 00:30:08,470
learned about this, and all everything fit. All

862
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:10,150
the boxes fit. How'd you get rid of

863
00:30:10,150 --> 00:30:12,950
them? I don't remember. We we moved to

864
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:14,789
a new place, and we did do a

865
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:15,769
sage spudge,

866
00:30:16,234 --> 00:30:18,575
and things like this, so I'm I'm assuming

867
00:30:19,195 --> 00:30:19,695
that,

868
00:30:20,154 --> 00:30:21,914
like I'm assuming something to this effect, like

869
00:30:21,914 --> 00:30:23,035
some of the things we did for our

870
00:30:23,035 --> 00:30:23,855
new environment

871
00:30:24,315 --> 00:30:26,795
helped perhaps, because it's never happened again since

872
00:30:26,795 --> 00:30:28,414
we left Saskatchewan, which was

873
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:31,029
now 7 years ago. So the people in

874
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:31,529
Indonesia

875
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:34,250
experienced the Hat Man, and then you experienced

876
00:30:34,309 --> 00:30:35,909
it. So you think you brought it home

877
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:38,809
from Indonesia? Yeah. Wow. Absolutely. Interesting.

878
00:30:39,109 --> 00:30:41,669
My partner, she's from Saskatchewan, but she she

879
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:42,890
and I met in Indonesia.

880
00:30:43,345 --> 00:30:45,125
So she's one of the people who

881
00:30:45,664 --> 00:30:47,924
who also can can corroborate

882
00:30:48,305 --> 00:30:50,865
that story that she saw it, plus in

883
00:30:50,865 --> 00:30:51,845
the same house,

884
00:30:52,225 --> 00:30:53,365
very fully locked,

885
00:30:54,065 --> 00:30:56,225
all of the women over, I don't know,

886
00:30:56,225 --> 00:30:57,845
it was a year or 2 years,

887
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:01,200
started having underwear go missing, whether it was

888
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,460
bras or underwear, whatnot.

889
00:31:03,919 --> 00:31:04,419
And

890
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:05,859
eventually,

891
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,519
they found a way by basically climbing over

892
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:11,319
the roof of, like, this building, climb over

893
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:12,659
the roof into the next

894
00:31:12,974 --> 00:31:14,595
apartment, what do you call it, where they

895
00:31:15,054 --> 00:31:16,575
they're all pressed together. There's no there's no

896
00:31:16,575 --> 00:31:18,815
separation of alleyways or breezeways or anything. And

897
00:31:18,815 --> 00:31:20,414
so they went in, and it was completely

898
00:31:20,414 --> 00:31:23,454
abandoned. There's nothing in it. But they found

899
00:31:23,454 --> 00:31:25,375
all of the underwear and all the bras

900
00:31:25,375 --> 00:31:27,954
and everything in neat little

901
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:28,859
piles

902
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:32,440
separated by color or separated by type or

903
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:32,940
whatever,

904
00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:35,519
and the piles were large, which means that

905
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:37,259
it was going on for a long time.

906
00:31:37,399 --> 00:31:39,019
And no no one has any idea

907
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,105
who was doing this, because, you know, because

908
00:31:42,105 --> 00:31:44,904
the building was abandoned. That's terrifying. We our

909
00:31:44,904 --> 00:31:47,724
building was locked up. Yeah. That's terrifying.

910
00:31:48,664 --> 00:31:51,865
And every bedroom was was padlocked locked, you

911
00:31:51,865 --> 00:31:53,464
know? Like, we had our own locks to

912
00:31:53,464 --> 00:31:54,445
get into the bedrooms.

913
00:31:54,750 --> 00:31:56,670
So, yeah, no idea how any of that

914
00:31:56,670 --> 00:31:59,170
happened. Vent over the head or something.

915
00:31:59,950 --> 00:32:02,430
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so crazy. Messed

916
00:32:02,430 --> 00:32:05,069
up. Indonesia was the place where I do

917
00:32:05,069 --> 00:32:05,569
believe

918
00:32:06,589 --> 00:32:07,250
I I

919
00:32:07,710 --> 00:32:08,210
experienced

920
00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:11,244
this stuff for real, again, not just in

921
00:32:11,244 --> 00:32:13,164
my imagination where I can convince myself I'm

922
00:32:13,164 --> 00:32:15,505
in a cemetery and I we know something,

923
00:32:15,565 --> 00:32:18,205
Indonesia is where I believe it was real.

924
00:32:18,205 --> 00:32:20,045
Like, it was very, very real. And I

925
00:32:20,045 --> 00:32:21,404
thought that was amazing. I thought and I

926
00:32:21,404 --> 00:32:23,005
I connected it to culture too because I

927
00:32:23,005 --> 00:32:25,200
was thinking, like, for them as well, very

928
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:25,700
real.

929
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:28,339
Right? It's very real, which to me means

930
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,599
it is. Like, they whether it's manifestation or

931
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:33,460
what, but, like, it's real now because

932
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:35,779
to them it is. Absolutely.

933
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:38,240
Well, that gives you that idea that that

934
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,859
which you put energy into

935
00:32:40,505 --> 00:32:41,565
gets power

936
00:32:41,945 --> 00:32:42,684
and grows.

937
00:32:43,225 --> 00:32:45,065
And I think fear and anger, all these

938
00:32:45,065 --> 00:32:46,684
things can manifest into

939
00:32:47,065 --> 00:32:48,605
its own type of energy

940
00:32:49,465 --> 00:32:49,965
field.

941
00:32:50,664 --> 00:32:51,945
But I saw the hat man when I

942
00:32:51,945 --> 00:32:54,184
was a little kid. I actually was recently

943
00:32:54,184 --> 00:32:56,559
curious about the hat man and did a

944
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:58,580
little bit of a digging around. And

945
00:32:59,039 --> 00:32:59,539
there

946
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,000
are lots of theories about it, but the

947
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,259
one that seemed to be a common theory

948
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:06,340
was that he was a

949
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:10,005
a benevolent demon that would that is attracted

950
00:33:10,144 --> 00:33:12,325
to children who grow up in hostile

951
00:33:13,025 --> 00:33:15,045
environment. Oh. Interesting.

952
00:33:15,424 --> 00:33:18,305
Mhmm. Like a protective demon. He's considered one

953
00:33:18,305 --> 00:33:19,605
of the demon class,

954
00:33:20,065 --> 00:33:21,845
but that he's there to

955
00:33:22,349 --> 00:33:23,809
sort of keep an eye on

956
00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:26,450
children who are going through some stuff.

957
00:33:26,910 --> 00:33:29,230
That was fascinating. That got me into a

958
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:30,990
whole nother deep dive that there's a whole

959
00:33:30,990 --> 00:33:32,849
class of demons, quote unquote,

960
00:33:33,150 --> 00:33:34,450
who are not necessarily

961
00:33:35,444 --> 00:33:37,284
you think of demon and you think grass,

962
00:33:37,284 --> 00:33:40,404
scary, satan, whatever, but there's this whole group

963
00:33:40,404 --> 00:33:42,804
of demons that are really, like, worker bees.

964
00:33:42,804 --> 00:33:44,964
You know? One is good for fishing. One

965
00:33:44,964 --> 00:33:47,284
is good for, you know, dapper clothes. When

966
00:33:47,284 --> 00:33:48,804
it end up Yeah. Yeah. That was a

967
00:33:48,804 --> 00:33:49,944
fascinating read.

968
00:33:50,779 --> 00:33:52,700
That's interesting to me. That actually makes me

969
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:53,599
wonder about

970
00:33:54,220 --> 00:33:55,119
when you asked

971
00:33:55,579 --> 00:33:57,579
how did we lose how did we lose

972
00:33:57,579 --> 00:33:59,679
it, essentially, or, like, get rid of it.

973
00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:02,140
The house that I believe we got rid

974
00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:04,464
of it in, there I don't know the

975
00:34:04,464 --> 00:34:06,484
full story, but there was a story

976
00:34:06,785 --> 00:34:07,225
that

977
00:34:07,664 --> 00:34:10,085
so the person who we were renting from

978
00:34:10,465 --> 00:34:12,244
witnessed a little girl

979
00:34:12,625 --> 00:34:14,545
sitting on a bed watching her as she

980
00:34:14,545 --> 00:34:16,324
was, like, putting laundry her way or something.

981
00:34:16,969 --> 00:34:18,569
And and then never saw the girl again,

982
00:34:18,569 --> 00:34:20,349
but she always felt the girl was present.

983
00:34:20,889 --> 00:34:21,389
So

984
00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:23,469
I wonder if if

985
00:34:23,849 --> 00:34:26,650
perhaps, let's say, I did bring the hat

986
00:34:26,650 --> 00:34:27,710
man with me,

987
00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:31,230
found a home where it was actually useful.

988
00:34:31,289 --> 00:34:33,945
It could help this this young girl's spirit

989
00:34:34,324 --> 00:34:36,085
from maybe some trauma that it was trapped

990
00:34:36,085 --> 00:34:36,585
in,

991
00:34:36,964 --> 00:34:37,464
and

992
00:34:37,764 --> 00:34:40,164
that's why I lost the Hat Man because

993
00:34:40,164 --> 00:34:42,724
I it left me to be for another

994
00:34:42,724 --> 00:34:43,224
purpose.

995
00:34:43,525 --> 00:34:45,045
Yeah. You know? Oh, it gives you the

996
00:34:45,045 --> 00:34:47,440
shimmers. That's fun. That is funny. There's a

997
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,800
story now. You and I are both gonna

998
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,699
go write that.

999
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,559
Uh-huh. I love that. I it's actually it's

1000
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:54,719
really I really like the idea of ghosts

1001
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,440
being passed on. Not like curses, but almost

1002
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:57,940
like,

1003
00:34:59,295 --> 00:35:01,054
I don't know, like a a person, whether

1004
00:35:01,054 --> 00:35:03,454
it's a servant or a bully or whatever

1005
00:35:03,454 --> 00:35:05,375
it's gonna be, that it actually gets passed

1006
00:35:05,375 --> 00:35:07,054
on to someone else now, like it took

1007
00:35:07,054 --> 00:35:08,194
an interest elsewhere.

1008
00:35:08,494 --> 00:35:11,155
I've interviewed people who have had those experiences

1009
00:35:11,375 --> 00:35:13,234
where matronly, grandmotherly

1010
00:35:13,534 --> 00:35:15,640
type ghosts tended to them as children, and

1011
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:16,699
then as they grew,

1012
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:19,159
they went away. But then new people came

1013
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:21,320
into the same house and told stories of

1014
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,559
the grandmotherly ghost that would tuck them in

1015
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:26,039
at night. Wow. So I think that is

1016
00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:27,800
true because and then it it begs the

1017
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,019
question, is a

1018
00:35:29,855 --> 00:35:30,755
is a spirit

1019
00:35:31,454 --> 00:35:34,514
whatever that is, is that energy attached

1020
00:35:35,775 --> 00:35:36,914
to places? Space.

1021
00:35:37,375 --> 00:35:38,355
Yeah. Or or

1022
00:35:38,734 --> 00:35:40,914
you know, I I lived in an incredibly

1023
00:35:40,974 --> 00:35:43,809
haunted house when I was in my twenties,

1024
00:35:43,809 --> 00:35:45,409
and it was so haunted that I actually

1025
00:35:45,409 --> 00:35:47,969
had to break the lease. Wow. Really? Yeah.

1026
00:35:47,969 --> 00:35:50,210
Which I've never done I've never done it

1027
00:35:50,210 --> 00:35:51,650
since. Oh, god.

1028
00:35:52,289 --> 00:35:53,969
It didn't want me there. The house did

1029
00:35:53,969 --> 00:35:55,730
not want me there. Wow. I don't think

1030
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:57,510
I was the ilk it preferred.

1031
00:35:58,425 --> 00:36:00,425
So it did everything in its power to

1032
00:36:00,425 --> 00:36:01,805
get me out, and

1033
00:36:02,184 --> 00:36:04,105
it worked. I I I mean, I tried

1034
00:36:04,105 --> 00:36:06,184
everything too. I had the priest come and

1035
00:36:06,184 --> 00:36:07,565
bless the house. And

1036
00:36:08,025 --> 00:36:10,125
whenever my friend's dog would come over,

1037
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:13,140
she was she would refuse to go downstairs.

1038
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,559
You would stand at the top of the

1039
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:16,579
stairs and growl down the stairs.

1040
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,739
It wasn't a good place.

1041
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:21,199
Wow. Yeah. That I could tell you lots

1042
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:23,219
of stories about that house. I've never

1043
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:26,355
really experienced a negative spirit. Like, so that's

1044
00:36:26,355 --> 00:36:27,715
that's the other thing too, is that any

1045
00:36:27,715 --> 00:36:28,695
of the spirits I've

1046
00:36:28,994 --> 00:36:29,574
I've either

1047
00:36:30,195 --> 00:36:30,695
legitimately

1048
00:36:31,074 --> 00:36:32,855
interacted with or again,

1049
00:36:33,635 --> 00:36:36,594
in my head interacted with, it's never really

1050
00:36:36,594 --> 00:36:39,440
been any negative ones. You know? It's it's

1051
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,760
always been either safe and it's it's fun

1052
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,699
to be scared kind of vibe

1053
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:46,480
or it was yeah. It just was more

1054
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,859
present and there was no

1055
00:36:48,319 --> 00:36:50,980
real threat of danger or anything. But I've

1056
00:36:51,565 --> 00:36:53,565
heard about this lots, obviously, like, coming from

1057
00:36:53,565 --> 00:36:54,864
the horror genre, like,

1058
00:36:55,565 --> 00:36:57,565
and I'm always curious about that one. Like,

1059
00:36:57,565 --> 00:36:59,804
I'm always curious about because again, I've never

1060
00:36:59,804 --> 00:37:00,864
experienced it, about

1061
00:37:01,324 --> 00:37:01,824
actual

1062
00:37:02,285 --> 00:37:05,340
bad energy or, violent energy. And so, yeah,

1063
00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:06,700
so when it comes to that question of

1064
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:08,860
what you're just saying, is it is it

1065
00:37:08,860 --> 00:37:12,160
the space? Is it the the architecture, essentially,

1066
00:37:12,380 --> 00:37:14,079
whether the architecture either,

1067
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:15,920
almost like a conduit,

1068
00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:18,940
calls upon them or traps them or whatever

1069
00:37:18,940 --> 00:37:21,815
it might be? Or is it the person's

1070
00:37:21,875 --> 00:37:22,375
energy?

1071
00:37:22,675 --> 00:37:24,594
You know, is it the person's energy that's

1072
00:37:24,594 --> 00:37:25,255
kind of

1073
00:37:26,275 --> 00:37:28,914
determining this type of interaction you're gonna have?

1074
00:37:28,914 --> 00:37:30,295
I do think that spirits

1075
00:37:31,474 --> 00:37:34,434
are attached to people. I think they'll follow

1076
00:37:34,434 --> 00:37:35,574
them around, certainly.

1077
00:37:36,275 --> 00:37:38,730
But, yeah, I think it's anything goes, really.

1078
00:37:38,730 --> 00:37:40,090
Yeah. And that's what I love. Is it

1079
00:37:40,090 --> 00:37:41,690
all true? Who knows? Is it all not

1080
00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:44,489
true? Who knows? But, man, you can't deny

1081
00:37:44,489 --> 00:37:47,369
your own experience. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And

1082
00:37:47,369 --> 00:37:49,550
I think about things like what what if

1083
00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:51,610
what if there was a tree and on

1084
00:37:51,610 --> 00:37:52,269
that tree,

1085
00:37:53,894 --> 00:37:55,355
somebody was hung,

1086
00:37:55,655 --> 00:37:56,315
for example,

1087
00:37:56,934 --> 00:38:00,135
and tragically was murdered. So then their essence

1088
00:38:00,135 --> 00:38:01,735
is attached to that tree. And then a

1089
00:38:01,735 --> 00:38:03,815
100 years later, someone comes along and chops

1090
00:38:03,815 --> 00:38:04,795
down that tree,

1091
00:38:05,175 --> 00:38:06,934
turns that tree into wood, and then that

1092
00:38:06,934 --> 00:38:08,555
wood is used to build a house.

1093
00:38:09,230 --> 00:38:10,130
So now it's

1094
00:38:10,589 --> 00:38:11,089
the

1095
00:38:11,389 --> 00:38:13,869
the being, the energy that's attached to that

1096
00:38:13,869 --> 00:38:17,150
tree is now planks of wood Mhmm. Being

1097
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:19,409
used for a house. Mhmm. Maybe.

1098
00:38:20,670 --> 00:38:23,010
I I buy that, to be honest. Like,

1099
00:38:23,414 --> 00:38:26,295
again again, the the the creative storyteller in

1100
00:38:26,295 --> 00:38:28,614
me has to. Like, that's the one thing

1101
00:38:28,614 --> 00:38:30,054
that I have to always do is be

1102
00:38:30,054 --> 00:38:31,594
open to every possibility,

1103
00:38:32,054 --> 00:38:33,894
and just and I just love it, though.

1104
00:38:33,894 --> 00:38:34,635
I love

1105
00:38:35,574 --> 00:38:37,710
I love ghost stories so much. Of all

1106
00:38:37,710 --> 00:38:40,449
of my horror genres, like, the one

1107
00:38:41,230 --> 00:38:43,070
that is sort of a holy grail for

1108
00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:44,449
me is the ghost story,

1109
00:38:44,909 --> 00:38:46,989
but because I really I want to tell

1110
00:38:46,989 --> 00:38:48,750
a good one one day. No. Not not

1111
00:38:48,750 --> 00:38:49,250
just

1112
00:38:49,869 --> 00:38:51,570
to do it, but to do it

1113
00:38:52,335 --> 00:38:54,734
with somewhat of a legacy. You know, Shirley

1114
00:38:54,734 --> 00:38:57,215
Jackson's Haunting of Hill House, or even with

1115
00:38:57,215 --> 00:38:58,114
Guillermo del

1116
00:38:58,494 --> 00:39:00,734
Toro does it with The Devil's Backbone and

1117
00:39:00,734 --> 00:39:02,255
certain things. It's like, I wanna be able

1118
00:39:02,255 --> 00:39:03,715
to tell a great ghost story

1119
00:39:04,175 --> 00:39:07,780
that is rooted in human drama, essentially, you

1120
00:39:07,780 --> 00:39:08,440
know, and

1121
00:39:08,739 --> 00:39:10,900
and and I really wanna get there, like,

1122
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:12,039
get to a point where

1123
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:13,719
I can do that

1124
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:16,679
subsection of our genre,

1125
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:17,960
a great

1126
00:39:18,945 --> 00:39:21,845
service of, like, telling something memorable, not just

1127
00:39:22,224 --> 00:39:24,385
exploiting the idea of ghosts or people's fear

1128
00:39:24,385 --> 00:39:26,644
of ghosts. Shirley Jackson is so good.

1129
00:39:27,345 --> 00:39:29,425
I I love Shirley Jackson. I I've read

1130
00:39:29,425 --> 00:39:31,525
everything, and I I read

1131
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:35,199
the Hill House often because it's magnificent to

1132
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:36,500
me. Like, that's just magnificent.

1133
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,980
And that was one that really taught me

1134
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:40,339
in a lot of ways what

1135
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:42,659
a good ghost story is,

1136
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:44,880
and then in essence, it's often

1137
00:39:45,494 --> 00:39:47,894
it's the people who are haunted, right? Like,

1138
00:39:47,894 --> 00:39:49,735
it's not just about a haunted house, it's

1139
00:39:49,735 --> 00:39:52,295
about these people in the house who themselves

1140
00:39:52,295 --> 00:39:52,875
are haunted.

1141
00:39:53,494 --> 00:39:53,994
And

1142
00:39:54,934 --> 00:39:56,155
her book was the one

1143
00:39:56,615 --> 00:39:58,394
that really taught me that because

1144
00:39:58,934 --> 00:39:59,914
the main character

1145
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,460
is so

1146
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:02,500
neurotic

1147
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,440
and anxious and all these things that, in

1148
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,820
a way, she's creating

1149
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:08,900
her hauntings.

1150
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,679
Yeah. And I thought that was amazing. And

1151
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:13,280
it really it really shone a light for

1152
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,900
me on, like, oh, this is

1153
00:40:15,335 --> 00:40:17,114
this is how to essentially approach

1154
00:40:17,574 --> 00:40:18,634
the ghost story.

1155
00:40:18,934 --> 00:40:20,775
You know? Even even The Shining, like, the

1156
00:40:20,775 --> 00:40:22,694
way that Stephen King does The Shining, it's

1157
00:40:22,694 --> 00:40:24,534
the same thing. It's it's a haunted man,

1158
00:40:24,534 --> 00:40:26,714
essentially. Right? Like, he's got his inner demons.

1159
00:40:26,934 --> 00:40:28,719
And I think that's the thing that I

1160
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,500
made a ghost story a few years ago

1161
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,260
that I made an attempt at doing

1162
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,440
with respect to kind of all the things

1163
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,480
I'm talking about. But I hadn't read Haunting

1164
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,400
of Hill House, so I didn't learn my

1165
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,699
lesson about

1166
00:40:42,264 --> 00:40:42,764
directing

1167
00:40:43,385 --> 00:40:44,764
the the ghosts inward.

1168
00:40:45,304 --> 00:40:47,324
I didn't I hadn't learned that lesson yet.

1169
00:40:47,465 --> 00:40:48,744
And so I I still think about it.

1170
00:40:48,744 --> 00:40:50,105
I'm like, oh, I really wanna return to

1171
00:40:50,105 --> 00:40:52,184
that story someday, but I've already made it.

1172
00:40:52,184 --> 00:40:54,664
So I'm like, well, maybe I'll just rewrite

1173
00:40:54,664 --> 00:40:56,605
it and give it a different title. Absolutely.

1174
00:40:57,300 --> 00:40:59,300
Yeah. There are no rules. I think it's

1175
00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:01,860
interesting too that even science has come on

1176
00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:03,940
board and said, well, teenagers who are so

1177
00:41:03,940 --> 00:41:05,320
full of angst and hormones

1178
00:41:06,019 --> 00:41:09,000
can cause weird things to happen, electrical

1179
00:41:09,875 --> 00:41:12,755
abnormalities and things moving across the room. I

1180
00:41:12,755 --> 00:41:14,914
totally buy that. My so my partner's a,

1181
00:41:15,394 --> 00:41:17,315
grade 6, 7 teacher. Bless her. Oh, I

1182
00:41:17,315 --> 00:41:19,795
know. Beg her for her service. Right? Yeah.

1183
00:41:19,795 --> 00:41:20,694
And it's funny.

1184
00:41:20,994 --> 00:41:22,434
Some people who get it and some people

1185
00:41:22,434 --> 00:41:24,630
don't necessarily get it right away, grade 6,

1186
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:27,050
7 sounds to be the worst age.

1187
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:30,489
Because you're 12 to 14 or what, and

1188
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:33,829
all the hormones are going crazy, but you're

1189
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:36,389
still a child. You're still in that childish

1190
00:41:36,389 --> 00:41:38,684
state. You're not actually quite an adolescent yet,

1191
00:41:39,244 --> 00:41:41,244
and it just sounds nightmarish. And I think

1192
00:41:41,244 --> 00:41:42,844
about my childhood, I'm like, yeah, that's when

1193
00:41:42,844 --> 00:41:44,605
I was the worst. You know, that's when

1194
00:41:44,605 --> 00:41:45,985
I was a terror to my teachers.

1195
00:41:46,684 --> 00:41:48,525
And, yeah, I will. I'll I'll share that

1196
00:41:48,525 --> 00:41:50,045
with her. But, yeah, she and some of

1197
00:41:50,045 --> 00:41:52,510
the things she tells me, I I can

1198
00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:53,949
buy. I could I could buy what you're

1199
00:41:53,949 --> 00:41:54,769
saying based

1200
00:41:55,309 --> 00:41:57,969
on those energies. Like, all of those energies

1201
00:41:58,269 --> 00:41:58,769
just

1202
00:41:59,309 --> 00:42:00,289
crashing together.

1203
00:42:00,909 --> 00:42:01,569
You know?

1204
00:42:01,869 --> 00:42:03,869
Yeah. Yeah. Alright. Let's talk for a second

1205
00:42:03,869 --> 00:42:05,549
about Neighborhood at the End of the World.

1206
00:42:05,549 --> 00:42:08,135
What was the what was the energy around

1207
00:42:08,135 --> 00:42:08,635
that,

1208
00:42:08,934 --> 00:42:11,034
and what's the plan with it?

1209
00:42:11,414 --> 00:42:14,635
The original intention for for Neighborhood was

1210
00:42:15,574 --> 00:42:18,295
to just essentially make a solid enough short

1211
00:42:18,295 --> 00:42:18,795
film

1212
00:42:19,335 --> 00:42:20,074
that would

1213
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:21,640
draw some attention

1214
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:23,640
so that I could

1215
00:42:24,180 --> 00:42:26,739
propose some of my features that I've been

1216
00:42:26,739 --> 00:42:29,559
writing and hoping to get funding for,

1217
00:42:30,019 --> 00:42:32,420
and leave it as a short story. Leave

1218
00:42:32,420 --> 00:42:33,559
it as a short film.

1219
00:42:34,425 --> 00:42:37,065
But since we've made it, and since it's

1220
00:42:37,065 --> 00:42:38,844
been getting a pretty warm reception,

1221
00:42:39,144 --> 00:42:41,224
my producing partner John Warren and I, we

1222
00:42:41,224 --> 00:42:42,605
had a conversation about

1223
00:42:43,945 --> 00:42:46,425
telling people that we had the intention of

1224
00:42:46,425 --> 00:42:47,805
making it a proof of concept,

1225
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:51,480
because now we've come up with basically 2

1226
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,340
completely different but equally

1227
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,460
good, I think, features based off this short.

1228
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,160
So I've been writing both of them. I've

1229
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,000
got them both outlined, and I've got a

1230
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,515
couple drafts already,

1231
00:43:02,815 --> 00:43:04,114
but I'm making my way through

1232
00:43:04,494 --> 00:43:05,954
those drafts for

1233
00:43:06,255 --> 00:43:07,795
a feature version of Neighborhood.

1234
00:43:08,494 --> 00:43:08,994
And

1235
00:43:09,535 --> 00:43:11,855
so at this point, now the intention is

1236
00:43:11,855 --> 00:43:12,355
to

1237
00:43:13,055 --> 00:43:15,535
try to find funding and go forward with

1238
00:43:15,535 --> 00:43:17,690
it. One of them is a larger

1239
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:18,730
scope.

1240
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:19,609
It's

1241
00:43:20,070 --> 00:43:21,449
it's one that I would need,

1242
00:43:22,949 --> 00:43:25,190
not a significant budget, but as you know,

1243
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:27,289
like, a significant budget is significant.

1244
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:30,070
Like, it's 2,000,000 is a lot of money.

1245
00:43:30,070 --> 00:43:32,025
To some filmmakers, it's not, but to me,

1246
00:43:32,025 --> 00:43:34,125
it is. Whereas the other one,

1247
00:43:34,505 --> 00:43:36,664
the other version that we've been writing, the

1248
00:43:36,664 --> 00:43:38,664
plan with it is to try to maybe

1249
00:43:38,664 --> 00:43:40,824
do it on our on our own. Because

1250
00:43:40,824 --> 00:43:42,344
we made the short on our own, and

1251
00:43:42,344 --> 00:43:44,105
we treated it like a feature in the

1252
00:43:44,105 --> 00:43:46,380
way that we we did have a production

1253
00:43:46,380 --> 00:43:46,880
house.

1254
00:43:47,179 --> 00:43:48,539
It was during the strikes, so we had

1255
00:43:48,539 --> 00:43:49,440
2 months of

1256
00:43:49,739 --> 00:43:52,219
no work, and we just we worked every

1257
00:43:52,219 --> 00:43:53,739
single day. We'd go in in the morning,

1258
00:43:53,739 --> 00:43:56,059
and we worked every day treating this like

1259
00:43:56,059 --> 00:43:56,639
a feature.

1260
00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:59,355
And so the fact that we went through

1261
00:43:59,355 --> 00:44:00,974
this together and we had amazing

1262
00:44:01,434 --> 00:44:03,614
heads of department working with us,

1263
00:44:04,155 --> 00:44:04,655
and,

1264
00:44:05,275 --> 00:44:07,934
you know, and each one of them absolutely

1265
00:44:08,155 --> 00:44:10,315
pushed us to do better. Every time a

1266
00:44:10,315 --> 00:44:13,340
new person came on board, it became this

1267
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:14,220
this additional,

1268
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:16,840
feeling of, okay, well, now we have to

1269
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,640
honor them. If they're now doing wardrobe or

1270
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,820
that person is now doing stunts or something,

1271
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,039
I want them to be proud of what

1272
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:24,780
they contributed.

1273
00:44:25,295 --> 00:44:27,075
So it pushed us to do

1274
00:44:27,695 --> 00:44:29,375
to basically try to make a better film

1275
00:44:29,375 --> 00:44:31,215
than we intended. Like, we always intended to

1276
00:44:31,215 --> 00:44:33,614
make a good film, but by the end,

1277
00:44:33,614 --> 00:44:35,775
we made I think we made a pretty

1278
00:44:35,775 --> 00:44:36,275
solid,

1279
00:44:36,655 --> 00:44:37,474
well produced

1280
00:44:37,855 --> 00:44:38,755
film that

1281
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:41,279
every person could be proud of that that

1282
00:44:41,279 --> 00:44:43,859
worked on it. And so saying all that,

1283
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,639
the the hope would be to invite everyone

1284
00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:47,139
back

1285
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:49,599
and say, let's let's move forward and make

1286
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:50,819
this a feature together,

1287
00:44:51,344 --> 00:44:53,344
Because I think you know as well, in

1288
00:44:53,344 --> 00:44:53,844
Vancouver,

1289
00:44:54,224 --> 00:44:56,224
the the talent pool is huge. There's so

1290
00:44:56,224 --> 00:44:58,465
many great filmmakers out here, but we're a

1291
00:44:58,465 --> 00:45:00,864
service town. We're not really a creative town.

1292
00:45:00,864 --> 00:45:03,680
People don't hire the writers and lead actors

1293
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,920
from Vancouver, but they hire all the service

1294
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,140
and all the labor.

1295
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,480
So there's a there's a real desire here

1296
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:11,220
in Vancouver

1297
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:12,500
for

1298
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,519
creative original content. Like, every a lot of

1299
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:17,599
these people here, they don't wanna just be

1300
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:19,094
laborers, they wanna be artists.

1301
00:45:20,375 --> 00:45:22,375
So it it's it does create a pretty

1302
00:45:22,375 --> 00:45:23,195
unique and

1303
00:45:23,574 --> 00:45:26,375
amazing opportunity for all of us to work

1304
00:45:26,375 --> 00:45:27,355
together, because

1305
00:45:27,655 --> 00:45:29,734
we know what we're doing. We've been in

1306
00:45:29,734 --> 00:45:31,434
the industry for years in

1307
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:33,769
many departments and many capacities.

1308
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:35,369
We've all had

1309
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:38,710
15 hour overnights, you know, like for years

1310
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:40,469
straight. You know, we've all kind of experienced

1311
00:45:40,469 --> 00:45:42,230
that, and now it's a matter of how

1312
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:43,130
about we start

1313
00:45:43,590 --> 00:45:46,070
working on things that we believe in rather

1314
00:45:46,070 --> 00:45:48,844
than constantly giving our labor over to terrible

1315
00:45:48,844 --> 00:45:49,344
television,

1316
00:45:50,204 --> 00:45:52,605
which is basically what we do here. Sorry

1317
00:45:52,605 --> 00:45:54,925
TV, but don't be paranoid, but that's just

1318
00:45:54,925 --> 00:45:57,005
how I feel. But Canada is really good

1319
00:45:57,005 --> 00:45:58,864
about grants for the arts.

1320
00:45:59,484 --> 00:46:00,349
It's not

1321
00:46:00,650 --> 00:46:02,329
as great as it used to be. It

1322
00:46:02,329 --> 00:46:04,010
used to be much better. I shouldn't say

1323
00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:05,769
that. You're you are right. There's there is

1324
00:46:05,769 --> 00:46:07,070
a lot here, but

1325
00:46:07,610 --> 00:46:09,470
a lot of it does seem to be

1326
00:46:09,610 --> 00:46:10,510
more eastern

1327
00:46:10,809 --> 00:46:13,635
focused, like it's in Ontario and Quebec, a

1328
00:46:13,635 --> 00:46:15,394
lot of it. And you can tell, like,

1329
00:46:15,394 --> 00:46:16,914
a lot of those I would say that's

1330
00:46:16,914 --> 00:46:18,355
where some of the best movies in Canada

1331
00:46:18,355 --> 00:46:19,795
come from. So I don't know if that's

1332
00:46:19,795 --> 00:46:22,275
a matter of they deserve the grants or

1333
00:46:22,275 --> 00:46:23,255
the grants are

1334
00:46:24,034 --> 00:46:26,809
basically effectively working. You know, like Yeah.

1335
00:46:27,230 --> 00:46:28,929
Because some of the best stuff comes from

1336
00:46:28,929 --> 00:46:31,429
there. Out here in BC, we're pretty limited,

1337
00:46:31,489 --> 00:46:32,869
and it also means

1338
00:46:33,329 --> 00:46:34,150
the competition

1339
00:46:34,449 --> 00:46:35,349
is much greater.

1340
00:46:36,049 --> 00:46:38,069
So it does become pretty difficult

1341
00:46:38,369 --> 00:46:40,230
to get those grants here in BC,

1342
00:46:40,784 --> 00:46:42,784
which is why me and my producing partner,

1343
00:46:42,784 --> 00:46:44,085
we work full time

1344
00:46:44,464 --> 00:46:47,184
in different departments to pay for our own

1345
00:46:47,184 --> 00:46:48,324
projects. Yeah.

1346
00:46:48,625 --> 00:46:50,385
I really wanna work with this team again.

1347
00:46:50,385 --> 00:46:52,335
I really we've all but

1348
00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:54,349
I feel

1349
00:46:55,049 --> 00:46:57,449
this this movie was definitely the one where

1350
00:46:57,449 --> 00:46:59,210
I learned how to do my job. Like,

1351
00:46:59,210 --> 00:46:59,869
I actually

1352
00:47:00,250 --> 00:47:02,569
finally understood really what my job as a

1353
00:47:02,569 --> 00:47:03,469
director was.

1354
00:47:03,849 --> 00:47:05,549
You know, I think before I was

1355
00:47:06,375 --> 00:47:07,914
kind of a producer director,

1356
00:47:08,215 --> 00:47:09,434
that's in a way micromanaging.

1357
00:47:10,375 --> 00:47:13,014
And I recognized that that's not that's not

1358
00:47:13,014 --> 00:47:14,855
really what I wanna do, but I didn't

1359
00:47:14,855 --> 00:47:16,695
really know how else to do it. And

1360
00:47:16,695 --> 00:47:18,614
then I finally learned how to not be

1361
00:47:18,614 --> 00:47:20,295
a producer, but to just focus and be

1362
00:47:20,295 --> 00:47:22,829
a director, and what that actually meant. And

1363
00:47:24,250 --> 00:47:26,730
so so many lessons came from that, and

1364
00:47:26,730 --> 00:47:27,949
I really would love

1365
00:47:28,489 --> 00:47:30,010
to to honor this team that made this

1366
00:47:30,010 --> 00:47:31,230
movie with me by

1367
00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:33,609
by bringing them work, and by bringing them

1368
00:47:33,609 --> 00:47:35,949
something where they're free to be creative, especially

1369
00:47:36,795 --> 00:47:38,014
my, wardrobe

1370
00:47:38,394 --> 00:47:41,034
my wardrobe team, led by Tina Tam, she

1371
00:47:41,034 --> 00:47:42,315
was incredible, and I wanna be able to

1372
00:47:42,315 --> 00:47:44,894
give her a larger canvas to play. Yeah.

1373
00:47:45,275 --> 00:47:47,275
I feel that about mine as well, that

1374
00:47:47,275 --> 00:47:48,960
regardless of what I do,

1375
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,400
whether it is an offshoot from the short

1376
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:52,900
or

1377
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,519
something brand new, I wanna work with these

1378
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:58,320
people that Mhmm. You know, it was so

1379
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,400
much fun. I loved it so much, and

1380
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,280
they were all brilliant at their Mhmm. At

1381
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,179
their contribution.

1382
00:48:05,914 --> 00:48:08,394
It's awesome. How lucky are we that we

1383
00:48:08,394 --> 00:48:09,775
get I know. Do this?

1384
00:48:10,315 --> 00:48:12,954
And and the and those those people who

1385
00:48:12,954 --> 00:48:15,454
get to do it full time, like, properly

1386
00:48:15,514 --> 00:48:18,340
employed doing it, I'm I think that's the

1387
00:48:18,340 --> 00:48:20,260
luckiest thing in the world. Luckiest thing. You

1388
00:48:20,260 --> 00:48:22,260
know? But I'm not not to not to

1389
00:48:22,260 --> 00:48:23,480
take away from us

1390
00:48:24,099 --> 00:48:26,900
as as indie artists. Yeah. Like, it's also

1391
00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:28,659
the best thing in the world. And I

1392
00:48:28,659 --> 00:48:29,719
I remember after

1393
00:48:30,275 --> 00:48:32,195
our film was wrapped, because we shot it

1394
00:48:32,195 --> 00:48:33,175
for 5 days,

1395
00:48:33,635 --> 00:48:35,094
and when it was wrapped,

1396
00:48:35,635 --> 00:48:37,954
I remember just thinking, like, I wanna do

1397
00:48:37,954 --> 00:48:38,454
this

1398
00:48:38,835 --> 00:48:40,515
every day. Like, this is the job I

1399
00:48:40,515 --> 00:48:42,275
want. I wanna do this every day for

1400
00:48:42,275 --> 00:48:43,715
the rest of my life. I wanna direct.

1401
00:48:43,715 --> 00:48:45,074
I wanna be on set for 12 hours

1402
00:48:45,074 --> 00:48:46,859
a day as the director because I loved

1403
00:48:46,859 --> 00:48:49,279
it. I loved every second of it. Same.

1404
00:48:49,339 --> 00:48:52,239
Same. Yeah. Yeah. It's it was it was

1405
00:48:52,539 --> 00:48:54,779
because it it really does fit with so

1406
00:48:54,779 --> 00:48:56,139
many of the things that I think I've

1407
00:48:56,139 --> 00:48:58,059
cultivated for myself over the years in terms

1408
00:48:58,059 --> 00:49:01,065
of the community building, the respect for others,

1409
00:49:01,065 --> 00:49:03,565
and making space for them, and also just

1410
00:49:03,625 --> 00:49:05,405
constantly learning how to articulate

1411
00:49:05,864 --> 00:49:07,164
and express yourself,

1412
00:49:07,704 --> 00:49:08,445
and also,

1413
00:49:09,465 --> 00:49:09,965
learning

1414
00:49:10,664 --> 00:49:11,164
new

1415
00:49:12,090 --> 00:49:12,829
new approaches

1416
00:49:13,210 --> 00:49:14,670
to managing your

1417
00:49:15,690 --> 00:49:16,829
emotional emotions.

1418
00:49:17,450 --> 00:49:19,769
You know? Because I I think for the

1419
00:49:19,769 --> 00:49:21,610
most part, I would see myself as pretty

1420
00:49:21,610 --> 00:49:23,849
level headed and calm in most of what

1421
00:49:23,849 --> 00:49:26,054
I do, but yet, every once in a

1422
00:49:26,054 --> 00:49:28,074
while, I'll surprise myself by being

1423
00:49:28,775 --> 00:49:31,815
maybe a little, whingey, or, you know, I'm

1424
00:49:31,815 --> 00:49:33,335
I'm just I'm getting I'm starting to get

1425
00:49:33,335 --> 00:49:35,815
anxious because of this or that thing, and

1426
00:49:35,815 --> 00:49:37,414
then I catch myself, I'm like, okay, that's

1427
00:49:37,414 --> 00:49:39,835
not what you wanna do. So to to

1428
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,239
kind of put myself in a situation where

1429
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:42,900
I'm learning,

1430
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,160
I suppose, new triggers or what about myself,

1431
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,800
I think is also great. It's exciting and

1432
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,140
it's scary, but I actually think it just

1433
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:52,099
adds to,

1434
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:53,460
you know,

1435
00:49:54,105 --> 00:49:56,344
the overall intention, which is to keep growing

1436
00:49:56,344 --> 00:49:58,344
and keep evolving, but to do that with

1437
00:49:58,344 --> 00:50:00,905
others. You know? Yeah. I can tell when

1438
00:50:00,905 --> 00:50:02,585
I see a film. I can tell the

1439
00:50:02,585 --> 00:50:04,045
directors who truly

1440
00:50:04,344 --> 00:50:04,844
love

1441
00:50:05,784 --> 00:50:06,284
story.

1442
00:50:07,224 --> 00:50:08,445
Who really understand

1443
00:50:08,744 --> 00:50:09,244
story.

1444
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,320
And not just the words on the page

1445
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:13,940
that the actors are saying,

1446
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,700
but every single part of it, the lighting,

1447
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:19,860
the the location,

1448
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,660
the clothing The color choices.

1449
00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:23,700
The color,

1450
00:50:24,625 --> 00:50:25,204
the sound,

1451
00:50:25,985 --> 00:50:26,724
the music,

1452
00:50:27,985 --> 00:50:28,485
everything,

1453
00:50:28,785 --> 00:50:30,085
the lack of sound.

1454
00:50:30,785 --> 00:50:31,765
It's all

1455
00:50:32,625 --> 00:50:35,445
it's when you see something like that, you,

1456
00:50:35,505 --> 00:50:37,605
when you leave the theater and just,

1457
00:50:38,429 --> 00:50:39,949
it almost takes you a mo you know,

1458
00:50:39,949 --> 00:50:41,230
I mean, I have been at the end

1459
00:50:41,230 --> 00:50:42,690
of movies and needed

1460
00:50:43,550 --> 00:50:44,369
some time

1461
00:50:45,469 --> 00:50:48,289
sitting there before I vacated the seat because

1462
00:50:48,589 --> 00:50:50,130
of what I just experienced.

1463
00:50:51,434 --> 00:50:53,994
You know, that there's nothing like that. And

1464
00:50:53,994 --> 00:50:56,414
then the communion of being in the theater

1465
00:50:56,875 --> 00:50:59,035
with people watching, whether it's your own movie

1466
00:50:59,035 --> 00:51:00,414
or other people's movies,

1467
00:51:00,715 --> 00:51:02,094
that feeling of,

1468
00:51:02,394 --> 00:51:04,875
you know, everyone jumping or everyone laughing or

1469
00:51:04,875 --> 00:51:08,640
just that beautiful, beautiful communion. There is nothing

1470
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,179
like it. It's so great.

1471
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,199
I I completely agree. I completely agree. I

1472
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:13,940
still insist

1473
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,559
going to the theater for every horror film,

1474
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,019
new horror film, because

1475
00:51:18,525 --> 00:51:20,844
watching a horror with an audience is So

1476
00:51:20,844 --> 00:51:22,844
great. So much fun. It's so great. Because

1477
00:51:22,844 --> 00:51:24,784
whether whether it's the the jokes

1478
00:51:25,085 --> 00:51:26,065
laughing with people,

1479
00:51:26,364 --> 00:51:29,744
or or cringing and squirming with people, or

1480
00:51:29,804 --> 00:51:31,885
it's it's one of the greatest experiences. And

1481
00:51:31,885 --> 00:51:34,260
I don't, I know that a good comedy

1482
00:51:34,260 --> 00:51:36,340
or a good action movie or what could

1483
00:51:36,340 --> 00:51:37,480
deliver that as well,

1484
00:51:37,940 --> 00:51:41,000
but I find more consistently, horror does it.

1485
00:51:41,539 --> 00:51:43,480
And, yeah, and and going to these festivals

1486
00:51:43,619 --> 00:51:44,280
and watching

1487
00:51:44,660 --> 00:51:47,164
horror with either the filmmakers or just fans

1488
00:51:47,164 --> 00:51:47,824
of it,

1489
00:51:48,204 --> 00:51:49,265
it it's always

1490
00:51:49,724 --> 00:51:52,045
that's that's my rock concert. That's my my

1491
00:51:52,045 --> 00:51:54,364
music festival. You know? We're sharing in the

1492
00:51:54,364 --> 00:51:55,585
same love for the thing.

1493
00:51:55,885 --> 00:51:58,409
And, yeah, there's nothing like it, truly. You

1494
00:51:58,409 --> 00:52:00,569
know? I mean, obviously, to everyone else, it's

1495
00:52:00,569 --> 00:52:02,170
gonna be something different. Going to a music

1496
00:52:02,170 --> 00:52:03,929
fest for them is the thing. Yeah. Of

1497
00:52:03,929 --> 00:52:05,449
course. Yeah. Yeah. But,

1498
00:52:06,130 --> 00:52:08,650
I I I love going to the theater

1499
00:52:08,650 --> 00:52:10,829
and watching movies with people, and especially

1500
00:52:11,130 --> 00:52:13,069
especially when it's a movie that does

1501
00:52:13,605 --> 00:52:14,085
kinda

1502
00:52:14,405 --> 00:52:17,465
it goads goads the audience into certain reactions.

1503
00:52:17,925 --> 00:52:19,844
It's nice to see how well that worked

1504
00:52:19,844 --> 00:52:22,005
or didn't. Yeah. You know? Oh, totally. Yeah.

1505
00:52:22,005 --> 00:52:23,925
Absolutely. And it is you know, I come

1506
00:52:23,925 --> 00:52:26,965
from a songwriting background. Every every word is

1507
00:52:26,965 --> 00:52:29,170
important in a song and the melody and

1508
00:52:29,170 --> 00:52:30,869
all that. Everything is so important.

1509
00:52:31,410 --> 00:52:32,630
It's really interesting

1510
00:52:34,050 --> 00:52:35,890
as a songwriter to listen to a song

1511
00:52:35,890 --> 00:52:38,309
now. Any song is to try to not

1512
00:52:38,849 --> 00:52:40,369
hone in on just the lyric or just

1513
00:52:40,369 --> 00:52:42,184
the melody, to hear it as a whole.

1514
00:52:42,244 --> 00:52:44,085
And now when I'm in the theater, because

1515
00:52:44,085 --> 00:52:46,005
I'm in this mindset of having made my

1516
00:52:46,005 --> 00:52:46,744
first movie,

1517
00:52:47,045 --> 00:52:48,885
I'm like, okay. Just watch the movie as

1518
00:52:48,885 --> 00:52:50,485
a whole. Don't be like, look at that

1519
00:52:50,485 --> 00:52:52,085
lighting or look at da da da. I'm

1520
00:52:52,085 --> 00:52:55,160
trying to see the whole thing. It's hard

1521
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:55,660
sometimes.

1522
00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:57,019
It's so hard.

1523
00:52:57,559 --> 00:52:58,059
Yeah.

1524
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,720
I know. I still I still do it.

1525
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:01,740
And and it's funny because sometimes

1526
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,440
it can go both ways, where you're sort

1527
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,039
of pulled out of the story or the

1528
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:08,059
movie because you're noticing these things.

1529
00:53:08,964 --> 00:53:10,964
But then there's sometimes it's the movie so

1530
00:53:10,964 --> 00:53:13,045
good, you can't help but notice those things.

1531
00:53:13,045 --> 00:53:14,724
Right. You know? And it's just like, you

1532
00:53:14,724 --> 00:53:16,644
know, sometimes if I'm at home, I'll pause

1533
00:53:16,644 --> 00:53:18,164
it just to take a breath and be

1534
00:53:18,164 --> 00:53:20,005
like, did you did you see how well

1535
00:53:20,005 --> 00:53:22,484
that was blocked? You know? Did you notice

1536
00:53:22,484 --> 00:53:23,925
what the actors did in that? That was

1537
00:53:23,925 --> 00:53:27,429
incredible. Yeah. These little magical things that

1538
00:53:27,969 --> 00:53:28,949
that are done

1539
00:53:29,489 --> 00:53:31,250
that for the most part, I think people

1540
00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:33,089
just take it in. Maybe they don't notice,

1541
00:53:33,089 --> 00:53:36,050
but it's it's so lovely to see those

1542
00:53:36,050 --> 00:53:37,589
choices being made.

1543
00:53:38,275 --> 00:53:41,494
Mhmm. It makes me feel very cared for

1544
00:53:41,875 --> 00:53:44,375
and loved as a con as a consumer

1545
00:53:44,434 --> 00:53:46,215
of the of the art form.

1546
00:53:46,594 --> 00:53:48,114
That's a good way to put that. Yeah.

1547
00:53:48,114 --> 00:53:50,114
I agree with you. I I agree with

1548
00:53:50,114 --> 00:53:51,795
you. Like, I can I always feel that

1549
00:53:51,795 --> 00:53:52,695
as well that

1550
00:53:53,059 --> 00:53:54,519
I I do feel

1551
00:53:54,820 --> 00:53:56,199
that when we buy the ticket,

1552
00:53:56,659 --> 00:53:57,559
we are

1553
00:53:58,739 --> 00:53:59,719
we are ultimately,

1554
00:54:00,659 --> 00:54:02,119
putting our faith in,

1555
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:03,800
you know, a

1556
00:54:04,179 --> 00:54:04,760
a good

1557
00:54:05,094 --> 00:54:07,175
ringmaster of some kind that understands there's an

1558
00:54:07,175 --> 00:54:08,855
audience there and this is for them or

1559
00:54:08,855 --> 00:54:09,355
whatever?

1560
00:54:09,815 --> 00:54:12,215
And when you there's some filmmakers right away,

1561
00:54:12,215 --> 00:54:13,035
you can feel

1562
00:54:13,815 --> 00:54:15,815
you trust them and you feel like I'm

1563
00:54:15,894 --> 00:54:16,135
they

1564
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:18,800
I whatever they do, I'm in. Whatever they

1565
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,160
do, I'm in. Even if it even if

1566
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:20,739
it hurts.

1567
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:22,320
But whereas there's sometimes you can feel it,

1568
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,320
and you're like, yeah, you you don't you're

1569
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:25,920
not caring about the audience at all. You're

1570
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,840
trying to show off something else, and that

1571
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:28,739
doesn't feel

1572
00:54:29,655 --> 00:54:30,954
doesn't feel sincere.

1573
00:54:31,255 --> 00:54:32,535
You know? I think that's the one thing

1574
00:54:32,535 --> 00:54:34,135
I can always tell in a film or

1575
00:54:34,135 --> 00:54:35,675
a book as well, the sincerity

1576
00:54:36,375 --> 00:54:38,535
of of the the artist where you can

1577
00:54:38,535 --> 00:54:40,375
be like, I get what you were doing

1578
00:54:40,375 --> 00:54:41,574
here, but you weren't doing it for the

1579
00:54:41,574 --> 00:54:43,349
right reasons. You know? You don't you're not

1580
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:46,069
actually exploring this because it means something. You're

1581
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:47,510
exploring it because you think it has shock

1582
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:49,730
value, and that's it. Or something. Right? You're

1583
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:51,829
not it doesn't work for me. Right. It's

1584
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:53,670
funny how we feel that stuff on a

1585
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:54,730
real deep level.

1586
00:54:55,434 --> 00:54:57,194
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And and it and it

1587
00:54:57,194 --> 00:54:59,855
doesn't matter if it's budget, because I've seen

1588
00:55:00,474 --> 00:55:03,454
indie features or indie shorts that are,

1589
00:55:03,835 --> 00:55:04,815
production wise,

1590
00:55:06,394 --> 00:55:06,894
terrible,

1591
00:55:07,260 --> 00:55:09,900
You know, they weren't made by people who

1592
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:11,760
have figured out the tools yet,

1593
00:55:12,059 --> 00:55:14,239
but the heart was so clear.

1594
00:55:14,619 --> 00:55:17,039
The sincerity was perfect.

1595
00:55:18,139 --> 00:55:20,460
And then there's movies that are big budget

1596
00:55:20,460 --> 00:55:22,000
or mid range budget,

1597
00:55:22,625 --> 00:55:24,545
and immediately, you can be like, yeah. This

1598
00:55:24,545 --> 00:55:26,784
is so insincere. I'm out. I'm out because

1599
00:55:26,784 --> 00:55:28,784
you're you have no respect for your characters,

1600
00:55:28,784 --> 00:55:30,005
the story, or me.

1601
00:55:30,545 --> 00:55:32,304
I'm out. You know? And you can feel

1602
00:55:32,304 --> 00:55:34,244
it. I think you can feel it instantly.

1603
00:55:34,385 --> 00:55:35,525
Sometimes things

1604
00:55:36,065 --> 00:55:38,650
have bumpy starts. Like, sometimes they're you have

1605
00:55:38,650 --> 00:55:40,329
to you have to watch for that 30

1606
00:55:40,329 --> 00:55:42,969
minute mark or something because sometimes people Find

1607
00:55:42,969 --> 00:55:43,710
their way.

1608
00:55:44,010 --> 00:55:45,449
Yeah. They find their way. And I can

1609
00:55:45,449 --> 00:55:47,710
testify that I'm the same. My

1610
00:55:48,489 --> 00:55:49,949
my opening scenes,

1611
00:55:50,414 --> 00:55:52,574
I think, are maybe a touch longer than

1612
00:55:52,574 --> 00:55:54,335
they need to be. You know? I do

1613
00:55:54,335 --> 00:55:56,015
notice that. I'm like, yeah. Because I remember

1614
00:55:56,015 --> 00:55:58,015
I had this intention of coming into it

1615
00:55:58,015 --> 00:56:00,655
slowly, but that's too slowly. You know? But

1616
00:56:00,655 --> 00:56:02,094
I have to live with it, and Yeah.

1617
00:56:02,094 --> 00:56:04,434
It really is a dance. All of that.

1618
00:56:04,494 --> 00:56:05,715
Yeah. Yeah.

1619
00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:09,489
Janet Yeah. Planet. Talk about a slow I'm

1620
00:56:09,489 --> 00:56:11,170
gonna write this down. It's really quite lovely.

1621
00:56:11,170 --> 00:56:14,690
It's a slow build, but I really loved

1622
00:56:14,690 --> 00:56:16,369
it. And I as I was watching it,

1623
00:56:16,369 --> 00:56:17,030
I thought

1624
00:56:17,409 --> 00:56:19,489
so many people are gonna turn this off

1625
00:56:19,489 --> 00:56:19,989
because

1626
00:56:21,105 --> 00:56:23,264
they their attention span won't be able to

1627
00:56:23,264 --> 00:56:23,764
handle

1628
00:56:24,465 --> 00:56:25,045
the the

1629
00:56:25,664 --> 00:56:28,304
the the length of time it takes, but

1630
00:56:28,304 --> 00:56:29,764
it was with such care.

1631
00:56:30,385 --> 00:56:30,885
And

1632
00:56:31,184 --> 00:56:31,925
to me,

1633
00:56:32,945 --> 00:56:33,445
the

1634
00:56:34,460 --> 00:56:36,639
the time it took to get to things

1635
00:56:37,019 --> 00:56:41,039
was, from my perspective, perfectly telling the narrator.

1636
00:56:41,339 --> 00:56:43,260
It's really told from the perspective of the

1637
00:56:43,260 --> 00:56:45,440
little girl. And for little kids,

1638
00:56:46,059 --> 00:56:47,039
time feels

1639
00:56:48,014 --> 00:56:48,514
extraordinarily

1640
00:56:48,974 --> 00:56:51,135
long. So I just thought, well, what a

1641
00:56:51,135 --> 00:56:53,554
lovely thing that the director realized

1642
00:56:55,295 --> 00:56:57,694
and and really put us in the world

1643
00:56:57,694 --> 00:56:59,554
of this small child navigating

1644
00:57:00,094 --> 00:57:01,474
this world and everything

1645
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:03,890
is is

1646
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:05,210
takes forever.

1647
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:08,550
Like, everything is a draw, you know, a

1648
00:57:08,550 --> 00:57:09,050
slow

1649
00:57:09,989 --> 00:57:13,050
climb to whatever is coming next, you know.

1650
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:14,650
I really dug it.

1651
00:57:15,035 --> 00:57:17,195
I actually really like slow paced films. I

1652
00:57:17,195 --> 00:57:19,035
actually am one of those people who love

1653
00:57:19,035 --> 00:57:19,695
slow burns,

1654
00:57:20,235 --> 00:57:23,275
you know, the meditative sort of film. I

1655
00:57:23,275 --> 00:57:25,355
love that a lot. But we have to

1656
00:57:25,355 --> 00:57:28,250
remember the reason why stories are made. Right?

1657
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:29,389
They are escapism.

1658
00:57:29,769 --> 00:57:32,250
They are, you know, they are a place

1659
00:57:32,250 --> 00:57:33,710
for us to let go.

1660
00:57:34,090 --> 00:57:36,250
And I think our world now is so

1661
00:57:36,250 --> 00:57:38,730
fast paced and our attention span is so

1662
00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:39,230
short

1663
00:57:39,690 --> 00:57:40,190
that

1664
00:57:41,144 --> 00:57:43,485
if we can embrace the gift

1665
00:57:44,105 --> 00:57:46,905
of the 2 hours or 3:3 hours is

1666
00:57:46,905 --> 00:57:48,344
a long time for to get people to

1667
00:57:48,344 --> 00:57:50,585
sit, but sometimes it's really worth it. Or

1668
00:57:50,585 --> 00:57:52,585
just to sit and read or whatever. The

1669
00:57:52,585 --> 00:57:53,085
the

1670
00:57:53,409 --> 00:57:55,670
the gift of that is so extraordinary

1671
00:57:55,969 --> 00:57:57,269
in a world that

1672
00:57:57,889 --> 00:57:59,730
doesn't want us to slow down even for

1673
00:57:59,730 --> 00:58:00,469
a second.

1674
00:58:01,090 --> 00:58:03,030
Did you did you happen to see,

1675
00:58:04,289 --> 00:58:05,349
Drive My Car?

1676
00:58:06,675 --> 00:58:07,075
It was,

1677
00:58:08,515 --> 00:58:10,275
I think I think it's an Apple TV

1678
00:58:10,275 --> 00:58:11,715
movie, or at least they acquired it. I'm

1679
00:58:11,715 --> 00:58:13,094
trying to remember the director.

1680
00:58:13,795 --> 00:58:15,094
It's a Japanese film.

1681
00:58:15,715 --> 00:58:17,635
Slow. Like, I think for people who can't

1682
00:58:17,635 --> 00:58:19,655
take a slow movie, it's slow.

1683
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,359
But it's so beautiful. Like, for me, the

1684
00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:25,760
length of every scene felt correct. Like, it

1685
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,539
just I always felt like

1686
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:28,420
almost

1687
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,900
right as you're starting to feel like, okay,

1688
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,864
I got I got what I needed, It

1689
00:58:32,864 --> 00:58:33,905
would cut cut to a new scene. You're

1690
00:58:33,905 --> 00:58:35,344
like, okay. Good. Like, I feel like I'm

1691
00:58:35,344 --> 00:58:36,864
I'm I'm in the rhythm with this film.

1692
00:58:36,864 --> 00:58:38,224
That's a really good way to put it.

1693
00:58:38,224 --> 00:58:39,824
That's such a good way to put it.

1694
00:58:39,824 --> 00:58:42,565
Getting into the rhythm of the film. Right.

1695
00:58:43,585 --> 00:58:44,565
Perfect example.

1696
00:58:45,090 --> 00:58:46,309
Yeah. And

1697
00:58:46,610 --> 00:58:48,289
I I love that sort of thing. The

1698
00:58:48,289 --> 00:58:49,489
Drive My Car is not a horror at

1699
00:58:49,489 --> 00:58:51,650
all. It's the human drama and but it's

1700
00:58:51,650 --> 00:58:54,289
so beautiful. It is very beautiful film, but

1701
00:58:54,289 --> 00:58:55,989
also its pace is,

1702
00:58:56,530 --> 00:58:58,210
again, like, to some, it would be slow,

1703
00:58:58,210 --> 00:59:00,375
but to me, it was it was perfect.

1704
00:59:00,375 --> 00:59:01,094
I just

1705
00:59:01,574 --> 00:59:02,635
Yeah. I'll take it out.

1706
00:59:03,175 --> 00:59:04,855
Yeah. Do. I think that I think that

1707
00:59:04,855 --> 00:59:06,215
same filmmaker, he did a movie a couple

1708
00:59:06,215 --> 00:59:08,135
of years before called The Burning. Maybe it's

1709
00:59:08,135 --> 00:59:09,414
not Japanese. Maybe it's Korean now that I

1710
00:59:09,414 --> 00:59:10,614
think about it because I think The Burning

1711
00:59:10,614 --> 00:59:12,534
is Japan is Korean. But he did a

1712
00:59:12,534 --> 00:59:13,974
movie a couple of years ago, The Burning

1713
00:59:13,974 --> 00:59:16,199
with Steven Yeun. And same thing, like, it's

1714
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:17,639
it's a really the reason I bring that

1715
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:18,760
one up is because that one's a little

1716
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:19,260
more

1717
00:59:19,719 --> 00:59:21,260
potentially on the thriller

1718
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:23,559
side. It's not it's not really, but it

1719
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:24,780
definitely has that,

1720
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:26,920
aspect. And the same thing, he brings this

1721
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:27,900
nice, slow,

1722
00:59:28,474 --> 00:59:30,875
meditative pace to it. Almost like a Henneke

1723
00:59:30,875 --> 00:59:32,795
movie or something, like, and I and again,

1724
00:59:32,795 --> 00:59:33,775
I just love that.

1725
00:59:34,155 --> 00:59:36,795
I like Korean noir a lot. Oh, man.

1726
00:59:36,795 --> 00:59:38,315
I don't know I don't know what's going

1727
00:59:38,315 --> 00:59:40,155
on over there, but they're killing it with

1728
00:59:40,155 --> 00:59:40,815
their movie.

1729
00:59:41,239 --> 00:59:43,480
So they're so good. So good. I don't

1730
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:45,519
I honestly don't you know, every once in

1731
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:46,539
a while, like, every

1732
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:49,319
generation of filmmakers, there is a moment where

1733
00:59:49,319 --> 00:59:51,159
you're like, oh, in that 5 year win

1734
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:51,980
window,

1735
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:53,739
these movies from

1736
00:59:54,054 --> 00:59:55,335
Austin, Texas or something, they were they were

1737
00:59:55,335 --> 00:59:56,695
just the best. Or these these past 5

1738
00:59:56,695 --> 00:59:59,034
years, it's all been from Mexico or something.

1739
00:59:59,735 --> 01:00:01,735
And it just seems for the last, like,

1740
01:00:01,735 --> 01:00:03,914
10 or 15 years, Koreans have been

1741
01:00:04,215 --> 01:00:06,454
making just Killing it. Yeah. Like, I I

1742
01:00:06,454 --> 01:00:08,880
almost I can't turn down a Korean film

1743
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,800
if it's if it's suggested because I've not

1744
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:11,859
seen one that

1745
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:15,039
I'm not impressed with. Yeah. I feel the

1746
01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:16,339
same way. Yeah.

1747
01:00:16,639 --> 01:00:19,219
Yeah. Killing it. Shane, you're delightful.

1748
01:00:19,764 --> 01:00:21,925
Oh, thank you. You too, Susan. I'm I'm

1749
01:00:21,925 --> 01:00:23,364
really glad you asked me to do this,

1750
01:00:23,364 --> 01:00:23,684
because,

1751
01:00:24,324 --> 01:00:27,125
yeah, we had a really nice rapport, obviously,

1752
01:00:27,125 --> 01:00:28,965
when we met at nightmares in Columbus, and

1753
01:00:28,965 --> 01:00:31,284
so I'm really I'm really touched that you

1754
01:00:31,284 --> 01:00:32,264
asked me to

1755
01:00:32,969 --> 01:00:34,969
to carry on our conversation, and then in

1756
01:00:34,969 --> 01:00:37,449
this capacity, so it feels good. Totally my

1757
01:00:37,449 --> 01:00:38,349
pleasure. Absolutely.

1758
01:00:38,730 --> 01:00:40,250
Tell people how they can find you so

1759
01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:42,010
they can keep track of your your movies

1760
01:00:42,010 --> 01:00:44,809
and things. I am I'm a very poor

1761
01:00:44,809 --> 01:00:46,109
social media person,

1762
01:00:46,409 --> 01:00:49,545
but I am getting better at Instagram, and

1763
01:00:49,545 --> 01:00:51,945
I have been posting through my company, Skinner

1764
01:00:51,945 --> 01:00:52,684
Street Films,

1765
01:00:53,065 --> 01:00:53,804
as well

1766
01:00:54,505 --> 01:00:57,065
as my own handle, Shane Peter Day. And

1767
01:00:57,065 --> 01:00:57,565
skinnerstreetfilms.com

1768
01:00:58,744 --> 01:01:01,599
is where you could also find me and

1769
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:03,519
contact me, have a look at some of

1770
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:05,699
my other projects and projects that I've produced,

1771
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:06,079
or,

1772
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,599
and then in the works and whatnot. And

1773
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:11,119
yeah, I'm happy for people to reach out.

1774
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:14,079
I want I've always talked film and literature

1775
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:14,820
with people,

1776
01:01:15,184 --> 01:01:18,085
and anyone who's interested in story shopping.

1777
01:01:18,465 --> 01:01:20,085
That's one thing that I absolutely

1778
01:01:21,264 --> 01:01:23,585
stand behind as something for myself is that

1779
01:01:23,585 --> 01:01:25,925
I'm very I'm a very good story

1780
01:01:26,784 --> 01:01:27,284
consultant.

1781
01:01:27,824 --> 01:01:30,164
I love rapping on story. I love,

1782
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,619
like, instantly, like, any topic

1783
01:01:33,079 --> 01:01:35,239
you wanna play with, we can find an

1784
01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:36,840
avenue for it. We can figure out where

1785
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,360
the story is gonna go, and I and

1786
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,119
I love doing that. That's my one of

1787
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:40,619
my

1788
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,880
greatest joys. And I'll put your information on

1789
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,155
Hey Human Podcast website on the links page

1790
01:01:46,155 --> 01:01:47,914
too, so it's easy to find if for

1791
01:01:47,914 --> 01:01:49,594
whatever reason they need to go look in

1792
01:01:49,594 --> 01:01:51,675
one place. So I'll do that too. Thank

1793
01:01:51,675 --> 01:01:53,755
you, Susan. And please keep in touch. I

1794
01:01:53,755 --> 01:01:54,815
will. It was wonderful.

1795
01:01:55,195 --> 01:01:57,695
Thank you. And thank you for listening everybody.

1796
01:01:58,474 --> 01:01:58,974
Bye.

1797
01:02:02,550 --> 01:02:05,289
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1798
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:08,230
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1799
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:09,210
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1800
01:02:09,590 --> 01:02:10,809
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