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Hey, humans. How's it going? Susan Ruth here.

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Thanks for listening to another episode

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of Hey, Human podcast.

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This is episode 437,

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and my guest is doctor Robert g Marbot

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junior.

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He's a Fentanyl

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National expert

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and former White House homelessness

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policy adviser.

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He was recently on Hey Human as a

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guest for episode 434 discussing the homelessness crisis,

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and we discuss his upbringing and and much

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more of his background.

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This time, we're just going to discuss

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the Fentanyl crisis

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and the fact that he is an executive

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producer on a new documentary called Fentanyl

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Death Incorporated.

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I wanted to have him back relatively quickly

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to the previous episode.

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We're gonna discuss,

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on this episode, the $1,000,000,000 industry that is

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ravaging America

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and beyond, but we're obviously focusing on the

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United States for this one because that is

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what his focus is.

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Here we go.

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Doctor Robert Marvitt junior, welcome to Hey Human

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for the second time. 3rd time. 3rd time's

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a charm. Oh my god. Half. 2a half,

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technically. You didn't say a whole lot in

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the Billy Baldwin line. Billy gets a half

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billing.

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Well, he gets 2 thirds maybe. You get

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a Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Billy probably gets, like,

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0.99

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and Marvin gets 0.01.

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How you doing? Good. Very good. You're in

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the middle of

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another

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long run of going to cities and promoting

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movies and things. You're a busy man. Yeah.

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And and and I try to keep my

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consulting job going and my teaching going, which

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are my day jobs. And then now these

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the the movies,

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and and they literally have 3 movies come

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out within

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days, weeks of each other is just strange

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as can be. But, you know, it all

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goes back to the actor's strike and the

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director's strike because everything was I had everything.

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I thought all the homeless would be all

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done a year ago, year and a half

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ago,

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and then you'd separate the documentary

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from the theatrical.

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Thought that there, and then I'd be working

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on Fentanyl. But we start I signed the

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Fentanyl agreement,

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with distributor

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on June 28th,

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and,

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I call up, my my business partner director,

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Steven. I call him up and they go,

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alright. We're signed. And he says,

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when is it due? And I told him

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and he was like, we don't even have

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an interview yet. And I said, well, can

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we start shooting next Tuesday? So it was

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on July 4th weekend.

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we have 7 people on set shooting in

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San Diego.

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what we did a documentary

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really different than documentaries are done because that

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we had such a compressed timeline.

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you go pick 60, 70 people, and you

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fly out and see each one, and you

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take the crew, and and it just takes

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a lot of time. We did it differently,

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and we shot

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on Saturdays.

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and like a hub

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and brought 7, 8, 10 people in to

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shoot on a, like, in a 36 hour

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period.

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you know, you change the angle, you know,

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everybody nobody would know it's the same building,

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able to really compress the shooting timeline,

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from what probably would have been

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a a year and a half shoot,

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easily,

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down to 4 weekends in a row where

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everybody came in, and that was our principle

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of photography. And then we had to do

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some pickups and had to we did go

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out and shoot in Arkansas.

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It it very importantly because of the there's

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sort of 2 really key things in the

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movie, the Fentanyl Death Incorporated about Arkansas.

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So we filmed there, and then we went

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up and shot at a rally

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in Sacramento and contextual photography,

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videography

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to Canada, Mexico,

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and China. So then we shot those separately.

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But that's how you make a movie start

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to finish in under 5, you know, a

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full one hour in under 5 months.

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And it's already screaming.

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Yeah. It's a great film. I've seen it.

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So congratulations on that. I think it's an

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important film.

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Usually I start these and I say, tell

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me about your growing up life and all

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that, but if anybody wants to hear about

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Robert's life, go back and listen to the

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first half of episode 434.

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So let's jump in about

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this film. What

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brought you to the project?

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Clearly,

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having seen so much of

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the drug addiction through your work with homelessness,

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that was something that sparked your

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knowledge of the problem. And just being a

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a member of society, we can see how

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damaging it is. What drew you into making

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the documentary?

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the homelessness project, I kept talking to people

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around me. I said, we we need a

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whole separate documentary about Fentanyl because Fentanyl is

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such an embedded component,

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especially on the West Coast

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with homelessness.

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But that that was that was one, but

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there were 2 others,

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and I've always been around criminal justice issues.

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I have a master's in criminal justice. When

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I've worked in the White House, I've done

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a lot of cross agency

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activities or meetings or groups or initiatives or

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whatever

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around the criminal justice system. So I've always

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sort of,

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been around that for a long time. I

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was I would chair the crime control district

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in Central San Antonio when I was mayor

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pro tem.

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I had the public safety budget, so I

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had the fire, EMS, police. And we're the

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1st big city coming out of Mexico up

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by 35.

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when a lot of part of the country

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wasn't seeing things, we were seeing it first.

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And so that was a second part. And

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then the third part

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is I've just been

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as as a sort of an observer,

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and steadier

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of human nature.

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I've always been just

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really worried about the issue in United States

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in particular

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that why is it we're 4.25

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percent of the population

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and pretty much every list of drugs since,

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PCP and Angel Dust hit in the 1983,

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84 time frame,

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we have consumed

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in United States,

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generally, 30 to 40% of every illicit drug

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across the board. Like, not it's not just

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fentanyl. It's everything.

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And with fentanyl, we at times started out

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in over 50%,

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and then as other countries got into it,

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Australia, New Zealand, for example, you know, our

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our percent comes down.

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But why is it we still hover around

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30 to 40%? That is a

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I don't know why every president, every senator,

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every sociology class, every psychology class

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doesn't concentrate on that. Because if you think

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about

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the list of drugs, not beyond Fentanyl, but

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most domestic violence

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ties back to to illicit drugs or alcohol.

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Almost all robberies and burglaries tie back to

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illicit,

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drugs,

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use.

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Put a medical,

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cost

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in United States that are connected to this

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and why

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group plans are more expensive here than you

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could ever allocate anywhere else in the world.

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How much absentee from work, work injury caused

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by

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people,

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under the influence

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at work.

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And so I really start by pushing back

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on the notion

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that there's sort of harmless

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or victimless

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crimes connected to substance abuse. And a lot

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of that started out of San Francisco, but

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not entirely. It it it's their pockets all

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through United States and Canada

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that really believe drug use is victimless and

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harmless,

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and I couldn't disagree more. And I see

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the net effect what happens. And so

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when you add all that up, it's like,

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we need to figure out how United States

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it just think if we could cut our

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use from

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the 30 to 40%

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range to 9%,

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we're still

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consuming

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200%

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more than the average person does in the

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world. And that that is a mind boggling

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number, and it's not a fiddle. It's everything.

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So why is that?

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Do you think it's about the mental health

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crisis and self medication? Or do you think

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if drugs these illicit drugs were made non

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illicit, would that change things?

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Well, look at what we did. California tried

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decriminalization

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of all of it and it got worse.

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Same thing happened in Oregon and Washington and

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and the fact that California

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citizens

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over voted their legislature. I mean, these are

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right wing conservative

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middle America red states. This is California,

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and I know the voting is still counting

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in, you know, California loves to count forever.

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There's a lot of people here.

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Yeah. Well, there are a lot of people

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in New York and Texas, and we can

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get the count done in 24 hours and

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You also that's because California is is totally

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mail in. Right? So I although people do

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go in person, I think mailing in slows

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stuff down.

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Yeah. It slows

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stuff in the the way they have the

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laws about oversee ballots and such. Almost every

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other state, like, you know, you get to

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a a voting convention. They all, like, you

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know, everybody trashes California. California goes, I know.

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I know. I know. But it looks like

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the citizen initiative

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to overrule the legislature

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is a 2 to 1 win. People are

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tired of this.

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And this this sort of crazy

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experiment of let's

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decriminalize some of the most dangerous drugs ever

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seen to mankind and womankind in the world.

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Why would we do that? And so I

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think the citizens are pushing back. So that's

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not the reason.

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I do think

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there there's something about

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United States culture, one pill for everything.

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You you know, you got a knee pain,

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got a pill. Got cancer problem, got a

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pill.

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Got dyslexia,

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you got a pill. And I don't mean

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to be joking about that. It it's

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every

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place I go, there's some medicine for

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whatever the ailment is. And you start to

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wonder in America,

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are do we have a bunch of drug

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supply in search of a a problem

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rather than a problem in search of a

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solution? Our drug company

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megalith

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makes sure to keep America

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drugged up as best as possible. Makes people

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a lot of money. You can do a

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whole podcast and get people way smarter than

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me and to talk about that. And,

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Purdue Pharma comes along

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and and and we jump from organic opioids

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to synthetic. It makes it incredibly dangerous. It

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makes it a year round supply.

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It makes it easy to make. It makes

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it where you can't smell it, taste it,

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or see it, and for the most cases.

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And and then they come along and the

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Purdue

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Pharma Group, as well as everybody, Sackler family

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and all that group comes along and says,

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and by the way,

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these drugs are not addictive.

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And so your doctors were prescribing more. Even

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though they knew better. Yeah. I mean, that's

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the doctors had a duty to warn and

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do duty of care. They knew better. And

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all the way down to

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how some of the pharmaceutical

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companies actually stood up, quote, peer reviewed journals.

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Yeah. That is is stalking men, stalking women

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journals that that were out there

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that you could say this is non addictive.

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And I wanna be careful. There are times

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that are medical need Sure. Where you need

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medicine. There are absolute

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times when you need it.

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But the go to in America seems to

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be a pill

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not working out. Seems to be a pill

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and not

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walk around the neighborhood.

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Acupuncture.

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Acupuncture,

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meditation,

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yoga,

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taking a nap in the afternoon. I mean,

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whatever it is, biological

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bodies are different and so people respond differently.

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But instead of trying one of those 3

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or 4, we go right to the pill.

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And, again, there are absolute times where medical

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medication

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is critical for the survival

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of of people.

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Absolutely.

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I'm talking about the

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before we try everything else, we go right

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to the pill and get addicted. All the

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fentanyl precursor,

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or synthetic

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opioids where they said they're non addictive.

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I asked docs, I said, how can that

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be

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when the organic is very addictive? And they

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go, well, because,

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you know, and they were just reading from

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the marketing materials. And I just never it

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I'd never got that. So that's one issue.

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And here's a strange deal that came up

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in

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sort of behind the scenes of the doing

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the movie. We have doctors.

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We have anesthesiologists.

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We have DEA.

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We got at DEA task for people, local

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county state. We got big policy, low policies.

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We have head of mega departments down to,

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people who were the narco undercover

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down at the school.

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We got parents. We got family members. We

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got policy people. I got left, right, center.

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I

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I got everybody across the board. I mean,

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it really is Noah's Ark

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on people who care

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about

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fixing or significantly

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addressing

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and successfully addressing fentanyl.

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And the the strangest deal is we ask

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him questions and we go through, and at

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the very end, we ask,

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the the king or king question. You know,

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if you're king or queen, what would you

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do? You know, and and we're, you know,

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we're expecting people, you know, go after China,

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go after the cartels, go after the biker

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gangs in Canada, and and we got that.

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But

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the thing we never directly asked

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but came up almost

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70%

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of the time in our interviews

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was

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loneliness

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and lack of family connectivity,

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lack of meaningful

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connection

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from foreign service intelligence

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people

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to pastors,

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victim and survivor families

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to anesthesiologists.

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I mean, that that that this is not

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a bunch of sappy,

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softy, you know, you go up and find

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yourself a boulder crowd.

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This is I have some of the hardest,

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toughest people on this issue, and it was

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across the board. We never even asked about

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family. We never

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once asked about family,

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and it came up over and over and

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over,

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broken family,

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lack of family connectivity,

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and loneliness.

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I was at a dinner the other night

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by myself waiting I was going to a

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play, my friend's play, and I went and

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took myself to a little Japanese restaurant down

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the street.

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And a family came in,

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mom, dad, and 2 kids who were probably,

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I don't know, 7 to 8 years old.

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And

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the minute they sat down,

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the minute they sat down, the the screens

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came out. The kids had big iPads. The

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parents were on their phones.

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They I was there for 45 minutes,

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and this is not hyperbole.

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They did not speak to each other the

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entire

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meal.

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And I was so sad about it. What

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can really fix this if if this really

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is part of it, you know, and and,

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you know, again, we're not

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attempting to try to scientifically connect it to

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family breakdown,

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but we do know there are a lot

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of reports on loneliness that the surgeon general

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has done at a scientific level.

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And if you start going

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what happens if every family sat down and

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listened to each other, ate dinner together,

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and there's no cell phone? We don't allow

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cell phones at the dinner table. Period. Just

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there's no cell phones. There's no computer.

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If somebody wants to look up something because

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it comes up in a conversation,

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you ask permission. Hey. Does does anybody mind

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if I go get a phone to look

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up some? Not to get on the phone,

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but to help with the conversation.

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Well, it's like growing up. We weren't allowed

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to watch TV during dinner.

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Same same thing. Yeah. Same thing. You didn't

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watch TV during dinner. A lot of people

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call that old school, and I'm starting to

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call it, like, we gotta do this now

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school.

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Like like, we're in trouble as a society

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and look how I mean, your point, I

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was gonna bring it up. I was in

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a restaurant the other day with our film

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crew. We walked in and we almost started

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filming, like, we almost went back to get

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our our cameras. I said, look around. We

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need to reconnect. We need to listen to

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each other. We need to not walk by

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a person, ignore them. We need to really

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listen to your family member and and, you

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know, how are you doing?

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And we literally walked in this entire restaurant

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is packed.

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Every table had their iPhone. Every single person

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had an iPhone out and nobody was talking

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to each other. It's a real problem. I

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I was in the airport

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walking and, of course, airports are packed,

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walking

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to go to my gate.

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And I see a man pushing a stroller.

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The stroller

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is empty. His toddler is walking behind him,

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but he's on his phone. And he keeps

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walking and she got distracted.

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And I'm watching this, horrified, this little girl

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starts wandering the opposite direction. He has no

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clue. He gets maybe

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10 yards down and I'm

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moving toward the little girl to make sure

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she's safe. Another woman scoops up the baby,

519
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and then she's looking around, and these women

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sort of form a

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a boundary around this child.

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And I said, he's over there. And we

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and he suddenly looks up, and he's like,

524
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oh my god. And we kind of, on

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mass, deliver the baby back to him. Boom.

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Like a pack of elephants. What could have

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happened had any of us been nefarious?

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What what if that lady who picked him

529
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up was not the I wanna reunite? It

530
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was Right. You know, I wanna kidnap. I

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wanna write some.

532
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And and so I see stuff like this

533
00:20:18,884 --> 00:20:20,984
all the time. We're so disconnected

534
00:20:21,684 --> 00:20:24,330
from each other, and I think we're disconnected

535
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because we don't know how to touch the

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pain of our own loneliness. We can't even

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look at our partners and say,

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I feel alone

539
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in this, or I feel alone in the

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world. You know, it's such a vulnerable

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feeling.

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One of our themes is

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if somebody says all we have to do

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is

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x

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about Fentanyl,

547
00:20:44,954 --> 00:20:47,274
you gotta don't don't trust them. It's not

548
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gonna work. The Fentanyl crisis is so bad

549
00:20:49,994 --> 00:20:50,494
now.

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The the answer is really all of the

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above. I mean, and and it it it

552
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is getting tough on China. Absolutely.

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And precursors

554
00:20:59,869 --> 00:21:02,289
and now pre precursors. And what about Russia?

555
00:21:02,350 --> 00:21:04,350
Isn't Russia also a big part of it

556
00:21:04,350 --> 00:21:05,090
for distribution?

557
00:21:05,630 --> 00:21:08,545
India are also there. China is by far

558
00:21:08,545 --> 00:21:10,705
the number one, but then you got the

559
00:21:10,705 --> 00:21:11,205
assembly

560
00:21:11,744 --> 00:21:14,164
plants for lack of everything, the pill presses.

561
00:21:14,865 --> 00:21:17,744
And and now that that's in Mexico and

562
00:21:17,744 --> 00:21:19,904
now the northern border, Canada. A lot of

563
00:21:19,904 --> 00:21:22,299
people have no idea how much is coming

564
00:21:22,299 --> 00:21:23,200
across Canada.

565
00:21:23,500 --> 00:21:24,720
We have some experts

566
00:21:25,339 --> 00:21:26,960
that believe now that

567
00:21:27,259 --> 00:21:29,980
more is coming across Canada than Mexico. And

568
00:21:29,980 --> 00:21:31,599
there's some reasons for that.

569
00:21:32,140 --> 00:21:34,945
Remember, the Canadian US border is the longest

570
00:21:34,945 --> 00:21:37,505
border between 2 countries in the world. The

571
00:21:37,505 --> 00:21:40,144
northern border is way longer than the southern

572
00:21:40,144 --> 00:21:40,644
border,

573
00:21:41,105 --> 00:21:44,545
that southwest border, but also don't forget the

574
00:21:44,545 --> 00:21:45,045
Canada,

575
00:21:45,585 --> 00:21:48,289
Alaska border. Right. And they hike they drop

576
00:21:48,289 --> 00:21:50,210
off product in the in the woods and

577
00:21:50,210 --> 00:21:52,369
then people hike and get it. And, of

578
00:21:52,369 --> 00:21:54,470
course, the border patrols find

579
00:21:54,930 --> 00:21:57,589
dead people who have died from the elements.

580
00:21:57,650 --> 00:21:59,730
But I have a friend who's now retired

581
00:21:59,730 --> 00:22:00,630
who did border

582
00:22:00,930 --> 00:22:01,750
at the Bellingham

583
00:22:02,565 --> 00:22:03,065
border,

584
00:22:03,365 --> 00:22:05,444
bell you know, or at the the what

585
00:22:05,444 --> 00:22:07,065
do you call it? The peace arch gate.

586
00:22:07,764 --> 00:22:10,345
Yeah. And he said by by the droves,

587
00:22:10,404 --> 00:22:12,884
they were stopping pills coming in by the

588
00:22:12,884 --> 00:22:15,620
droves. That's a wild one because it's literally

589
00:22:15,620 --> 00:22:17,700
a part that sort of United States and

590
00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:20,180
Canada share, and it's done in the old

591
00:22:20,180 --> 00:22:21,080
days before

592
00:22:21,619 --> 00:22:23,160
bad things were going on.

593
00:22:23,460 --> 00:22:26,420
And it's in an Canadian neighborhood goes into

594
00:22:26,420 --> 00:22:28,759
this park that then goes into the American

595
00:22:28,820 --> 00:22:29,320
territory,

596
00:22:30,234 --> 00:22:32,234
and people go in and out and you

597
00:22:32,234 --> 00:22:33,774
don't know what's going on.

598
00:22:34,234 --> 00:22:36,174
And when you have a lot of agents

599
00:22:36,234 --> 00:22:38,554
up there, you can manage it. It it's

600
00:22:38,554 --> 00:22:40,714
hard as pain. It might some might argue

601
00:22:40,714 --> 00:22:42,815
it's a waste of of personnel.

602
00:22:43,589 --> 00:22:45,049
But the problem is

603
00:22:45,349 --> 00:22:47,669
so many agents have been reassigned to the

604
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:48,809
southwest border.

605
00:22:49,429 --> 00:22:52,710
It's totally opened up the northern border. We

606
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:54,490
found that a lot of, quote,

607
00:22:55,269 --> 00:22:57,734
northern border agents are supposed to be watching,

608
00:22:57,794 --> 00:22:59,554
you know, a sector of 60 miles or

609
00:22:59,554 --> 00:23:00,054
whatever.

610
00:23:00,355 --> 00:23:02,914
They were actually in their office on their

611
00:23:02,914 --> 00:23:03,414
computer

612
00:23:04,034 --> 00:23:06,454
processing people on the southwest border.

613
00:23:06,755 --> 00:23:09,474
So they're, quote, on the border, they're on

614
00:23:09,474 --> 00:23:10,694
the northern border,

615
00:23:11,089 --> 00:23:12,869
but they're not out doing anything.

616
00:23:13,170 --> 00:23:13,990
They're inside

617
00:23:14,450 --> 00:23:15,269
on a computer

618
00:23:15,890 --> 00:23:18,690
processing somebody on their they have a different

619
00:23:18,690 --> 00:23:20,930
system. It's not Zoom, but a Zoom like

620
00:23:20,930 --> 00:23:21,430
system,

621
00:23:22,049 --> 00:23:23,509
and they're processing

622
00:23:23,809 --> 00:23:24,309
people.

623
00:23:24,664 --> 00:23:25,739
Northern border that people are just walking in

624
00:23:25,739 --> 00:23:26,845
across. And that's why,

625
00:23:27,464 --> 00:23:30,265
you know, there's a we have a little

626
00:23:30,265 --> 00:23:30,845
part in

627
00:23:31,184 --> 00:23:31,684
the

628
00:23:32,024 --> 00:23:34,345
movie, the former head of, all, you know,

629
00:23:34,345 --> 00:23:34,924
the border.

630
00:23:38,929 --> 00:23:41,429
He walks around and he he it's scary.

631
00:23:41,490 --> 00:23:42,929
I think it's one of the most scary

632
00:23:42,929 --> 00:23:44,710
parts of the movie where he goes through

633
00:23:45,009 --> 00:23:47,250
every border. You know, the the he starts

634
00:23:47,250 --> 00:23:48,150
on the west,

635
00:23:48,690 --> 00:23:51,490
Pacific, and then he goes southwest border, then

636
00:23:51,490 --> 00:23:53,410
he goes golf, then he goes sort of

637
00:23:53,410 --> 00:23:53,910
Florida,

638
00:23:54,274 --> 00:23:57,095
then he goes mid Atlantic, then up Canada,

639
00:23:57,474 --> 00:24:00,534
then Canada, then he goes Alaska, Puerto Rico,

640
00:24:00,914 --> 00:24:01,734
and Guam.

641
00:24:02,194 --> 00:24:04,914
And and then you find out we have

642
00:24:04,914 --> 00:24:06,054
a a Canadian

643
00:24:06,674 --> 00:24:09,234
legislator who's like who's the number one person

644
00:24:09,234 --> 00:24:09,894
in Canada

645
00:24:10,650 --> 00:24:13,230
on on addiction and illicit drugs.

646
00:24:13,850 --> 00:24:16,809
And she's saying less than 1% of the

647
00:24:16,809 --> 00:24:19,070
shipping containers that come in from

648
00:24:19,450 --> 00:24:19,950
Asia

649
00:24:20,330 --> 00:24:22,650
or for anywhere in the world that go

650
00:24:22,650 --> 00:24:25,289
into the western ports of Canada are getting

651
00:24:25,289 --> 00:24:25,789
checked.

652
00:24:26,275 --> 00:24:28,755
And so that means 99% of what goes

653
00:24:28,755 --> 00:24:31,954
into Canada is not checked, and we treat

654
00:24:31,954 --> 00:24:35,234
United States like everything from Canada is like

655
00:24:35,234 --> 00:24:38,295
ours. And and it's just not getting checked.

656
00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:41,240
Wow. That shocks me. That shocks me.

657
00:24:41,619 --> 00:24:43,720
That's that's very scary.

658
00:24:44,259 --> 00:24:46,279
Can you explain how Fentanyl

659
00:24:46,819 --> 00:24:48,119
merged with the opioid

660
00:24:48,819 --> 00:24:50,679
where, obviously, in America,

661
00:24:51,325 --> 00:24:53,105
you know, the the people producing

662
00:24:53,404 --> 00:24:56,365
opioids to for people's ailments is one thing,

663
00:24:56,365 --> 00:24:59,244
but then suddenly this massively deadly component is

664
00:24:59,244 --> 00:24:59,744
added.

665
00:25:00,445 --> 00:25:03,005
Is it because there are fake pills coming

666
00:25:03,005 --> 00:25:04,625
through? Or is this something that

667
00:25:05,539 --> 00:25:07,079
can be safely distributed

668
00:25:07,380 --> 00:25:09,720
as well? And my secondary question is,

669
00:25:10,099 --> 00:25:12,579
do you feel, especially as someone who is

670
00:25:12,579 --> 00:25:13,720
as learned as you,

671
00:25:14,099 --> 00:25:16,279
do you feel that this is

672
00:25:17,059 --> 00:25:19,299
the reason why America is flooded with this

673
00:25:19,299 --> 00:25:20,599
and we have such a huge

674
00:25:20,954 --> 00:25:22,634
problem in proportion to the rest of the

675
00:25:22,634 --> 00:25:25,855
world, it's very diabolically on purpose that

676
00:25:26,234 --> 00:25:29,034
China is or and Russia and maybe India,

677
00:25:29,034 --> 00:25:31,775
but China and Russia more specifically are saying,

678
00:25:31,994 --> 00:25:33,855
how do we destroy from within?

679
00:25:34,619 --> 00:25:37,099
This is how. So it's like 3 questions

680
00:25:37,099 --> 00:25:37,680
at once.

681
00:25:38,059 --> 00:25:40,640
So let let's start with the opioids.

682
00:25:41,019 --> 00:25:43,259
And and I always think it's helpful to

683
00:25:43,259 --> 00:25:45,099
start at the opium wars. I know that's

684
00:25:45,099 --> 00:25:47,279
going back, but I'm a student of history

685
00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:49,279
and I really believe

686
00:25:50,125 --> 00:25:50,944
part of what

687
00:25:51,565 --> 00:25:54,204
if we need to understand how opioids and

688
00:25:54,204 --> 00:25:56,944
then now synthetic opioids have become so dangerous,

689
00:25:57,085 --> 00:25:59,184
you have to start with the opioid wars.

690
00:25:59,244 --> 00:26:00,865
And there's gonna be way oversimplifying

691
00:26:01,325 --> 00:26:03,690
it, but we gotta give it context. Great

692
00:26:03,690 --> 00:26:04,190
Britain

693
00:26:04,490 --> 00:26:06,269
wanted to sell opioids

694
00:26:06,809 --> 00:26:09,450
that were being made out of India, you

695
00:26:09,450 --> 00:26:11,230
know, a territory of England.

696
00:26:11,690 --> 00:26:13,049
And they did it by the way, they

697
00:26:13,049 --> 00:26:14,750
didn't wanna sell it in England,

698
00:26:15,210 --> 00:26:17,515
so they were selling it into China. Chinese

699
00:26:17,515 --> 00:26:19,375
population, the Chinese local government said, this stuff's

700
00:26:19,375 --> 00:26:21,200
killing our, you know, we've become the most

701
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,835
unproductive society and we used to be the

702
00:26:23,835 --> 00:26:25,294
most productive. We're now unproductive.

703
00:26:30,679 --> 00:26:33,160
We got problems. We got, you know, all

704
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,700
sorts of family abuse.

705
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,859
Our economy is falling apart.

706
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,799
So China went and said, we're gonna have

707
00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:41,960
0. We're gonna go burn it. They rounded

708
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,605
it up, burned it, and such. In Great

709
00:26:44,605 --> 00:26:46,384
Britain held their government

710
00:26:46,765 --> 00:26:47,265
hostage

711
00:26:47,964 --> 00:26:49,984
because they were destroying the opioids,

712
00:26:50,605 --> 00:26:53,105
you know, the crops, and they were destroying

713
00:26:53,804 --> 00:26:55,964
the product. And they said, we're gonna make

714
00:26:55,964 --> 00:26:57,115
it illegal to have any opioids. And Great

715
00:26:57,115 --> 00:26:57,164
Britain said, you can't do that. We want

716
00:26:57,164 --> 00:26:57,914
a good

717
00:26:59,579 --> 00:27:02,559
can't do that. We want a good supply

718
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:04,700
chain that goes into you. You're one of

719
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:07,099
the biggest populations in the world. Well, you

720
00:27:07,099 --> 00:27:09,359
gotta do it. And then when they didn't,

721
00:27:09,819 --> 00:27:12,674
Great Britain took Hong Kong in order to

722
00:27:12,674 --> 00:27:14,994
have a port to make sure they continue

723
00:27:14,994 --> 00:27:17,494
to send illicit drugs into another country,

724
00:27:17,875 --> 00:27:20,515
which by the way, Great Britain did not

725
00:27:20,515 --> 00:27:23,494
let Great Britain take opioids or use opioids.

726
00:27:23,714 --> 00:27:26,099
A revenge plot is coming. I feel like.

727
00:27:26,259 --> 00:27:28,440
They call it the reverse opium wars.

728
00:27:28,819 --> 00:27:31,460
You know, America sat by the side. You

729
00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:34,019
know, we were nominally on the Chinese side

730
00:27:34,019 --> 00:27:37,380
on this barely, like, you know, we could've

731
00:27:37,380 --> 00:27:39,380
done something, we didn't. We were sort of,

732
00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:41,345
like, we gave them rah rah, we agree

733
00:27:41,345 --> 00:27:43,345
with you, China, but we could have done

734
00:27:43,345 --> 00:27:46,404
more and we didn't. France, Portugal, and Spain

735
00:27:46,465 --> 00:27:49,045
all supported Great Britain in that effort.

736
00:27:49,345 --> 00:27:50,884
So the western society

737
00:27:51,184 --> 00:27:54,005
was, like, willing to addict another country

738
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:56,359
and and by the way, they didn't wanna

739
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,319
be addicted themselves. So so when it comes

740
00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:00,380
around again,

741
00:28:00,919 --> 00:28:03,240
you could see why the Chinese society is

742
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:03,740
like,

743
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,359
oh, you know, that's pretty rich coming from

744
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,295
you all, like, now you don't want it.

745
00:28:08,455 --> 00:28:10,775
Now we're sending it your way. And and

746
00:28:10,775 --> 00:28:11,674
more precise

747
00:28:12,295 --> 00:28:13,515
medical fentanyl

748
00:28:13,815 --> 00:28:15,994
that gets invented in 1959,

749
00:28:17,494 --> 00:28:18,634
when it comes along,

750
00:28:19,174 --> 00:28:20,715
it makes surgeries,

751
00:28:21,095 --> 00:28:23,720
a lot of surgeries that were not doable

752
00:28:24,019 --> 00:28:26,599
or not successful, like open heart surgery.

753
00:28:27,059 --> 00:28:30,259
Fentanyl is critical for or fentanyl like products,

754
00:28:30,259 --> 00:28:31,559
but fentanyl now

755
00:28:31,940 --> 00:28:34,659
is critical for open heart surgery. That that

756
00:28:34,659 --> 00:28:37,640
that we were losing people on the operating

757
00:28:37,779 --> 00:28:39,744
table because they would go into so much

758
00:28:39,744 --> 00:28:42,704
pain and shock, they would die because of

759
00:28:42,704 --> 00:28:43,105
the,

760
00:28:43,744 --> 00:28:46,384
effects of the surgery, not the actual heart

761
00:28:46,384 --> 00:28:46,884
transplant.

762
00:28:47,265 --> 00:28:50,464
And so Fentanyl comes along and makes heart

763
00:28:50,464 --> 00:28:50,964
transplants

764
00:28:51,424 --> 00:28:51,924
actually

765
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:53,299
more

766
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:54,740
successful, safer.

767
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,680
You can pull the breathing tube out and

768
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,279
everything else out. There are a lot of

769
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:02,000
mechanical reasons why that's there. So that's very

770
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,860
important, but it's an incredibly

771
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,875
powerful medicine. There's a lot of medicines you

772
00:29:06,875 --> 00:29:08,794
use in a hospital that you would never

773
00:29:08,794 --> 00:29:11,355
imagine using on the street, and you would

774
00:29:11,355 --> 00:29:14,174
never imagine not having an anesthesiologist,

775
00:29:15,194 --> 00:29:17,214
a lead surgeon, an attack

776
00:29:17,890 --> 00:29:18,390
monitoring

777
00:29:19,009 --> 00:29:21,890
everything from heart rate to pulse to ox,

778
00:29:21,890 --> 00:29:24,369
you know, to to, you know, all this.

779
00:29:24,369 --> 00:29:26,049
And instead, you do it down the street

780
00:29:26,049 --> 00:29:27,190
and there's no monitoring.

781
00:29:27,650 --> 00:29:28,150
So

782
00:29:28,609 --> 00:29:29,429
what happens,

783
00:29:30,375 --> 00:29:33,015
that starts to get into society, and then

784
00:29:33,015 --> 00:29:33,515
oxycodone

785
00:29:33,894 --> 00:29:36,714
comes along with Purdue Pharma, you know, OxyContin,

786
00:29:37,575 --> 00:29:39,035
and they addict

787
00:29:39,414 --> 00:29:41,974
whole, you know, 100 of 1000, millions of

788
00:29:41,974 --> 00:29:43,515
people in the United States.

789
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:46,440
And then all the lawsuits come up that

790
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,980
says there's, you

791
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,100
know, an addiction

792
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,259
problem. It's it is addictive.

793
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:52,460
So suddenly,

794
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,320
everybody gets sued, you know, it wasn't just

795
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,224
Purdue Pharma, you know, they're the

796
00:30:00,744 --> 00:30:03,224
including drugstore chains. And so they all get

797
00:30:03,224 --> 00:30:05,785
sued. Doctors get sued. So they it shuts

798
00:30:05,785 --> 00:30:07,085
down. China

799
00:30:07,544 --> 00:30:10,769
in conjunction with the Mexican cartels said and

800
00:30:10,769 --> 00:30:13,330
there's one very specific guy. He comes in

801
00:30:13,330 --> 00:30:15,190
from China and he goes to the cartels,

802
00:30:15,490 --> 00:30:16,390
and he says,

803
00:30:16,769 --> 00:30:18,869
you got an addicted society

804
00:30:19,170 --> 00:30:21,650
already addicted to this drug. They're wanting the

805
00:30:21,650 --> 00:30:22,150
drug.

806
00:30:22,450 --> 00:30:24,644
Then with all these lawsuits, it's cutting it

807
00:30:24,644 --> 00:30:28,085
back. Very few people spent any time thinking

808
00:30:28,085 --> 00:30:29,785
about what do you do with all these

809
00:30:30,244 --> 00:30:33,365
legally addicted people who got addicted through the

810
00:30:33,365 --> 00:30:33,865
medical,

811
00:30:34,164 --> 00:30:36,484
and how do you take them off? And

812
00:30:36,484 --> 00:30:38,644
and nobody spent any time saying, how do

813
00:30:38,644 --> 00:30:41,039
we unwind that clock? And instead,

814
00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:45,180
the Mexican cartels, while America Medical Society was

815
00:30:45,180 --> 00:30:45,680
asleep,

816
00:30:46,059 --> 00:30:48,559
comes in and says, we're gonna fulfill that

817
00:30:48,619 --> 00:30:51,980
need. And that that addiction and craving is

818
00:30:51,980 --> 00:30:52,880
so powerful.

819
00:30:53,484 --> 00:30:55,964
They came in and and fulfill the need.

820
00:30:55,964 --> 00:30:58,365
And so the way I like to very

821
00:30:58,365 --> 00:31:01,325
simplify it in an elevator sentence is you

822
00:31:01,325 --> 00:31:04,144
can draw a direct line from Purdue Pharma

823
00:31:04,524 --> 00:31:06,625
to the Mexican cartels in China

824
00:31:07,049 --> 00:31:09,610
that filled the void of what got cut

825
00:31:09,610 --> 00:31:11,470
off just just abruptly

826
00:31:12,410 --> 00:31:14,809
with no treatment, no recovery, no how we're

827
00:31:14,809 --> 00:31:16,650
gonna wean you out, how we're gonna bring

828
00:31:16,650 --> 00:31:17,390
you down.

829
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:20,250
And so that was the first wave of

830
00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:22,750
illicit drugs, and it starts 20

831
00:31:23,184 --> 00:31:24,805
14 ish or so.

832
00:31:25,184 --> 00:31:27,365
And then once they got a beachhead,

833
00:31:27,825 --> 00:31:29,744
then they go, well, we're not just gonna

834
00:31:29,744 --> 00:31:32,144
go to the people who were formally addicted

835
00:31:32,144 --> 00:31:32,724
to OxyContin.

836
00:31:33,184 --> 00:31:35,184
We're gonna go to Xanax. We're gonna go

837
00:31:35,184 --> 00:31:36,325
to all these peripherals

838
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:39,059
still in the opioid ish family,

839
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:42,259
and we're gonna get, you know, start serving

840
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,619
their needs. And

841
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,940
you almost can't find

842
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:46,900
organic,

843
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:51,359
opioids or heroin, any of those family groups

844
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:52,179
of the organics.

845
00:31:52,714 --> 00:31:54,795
They almost don't exist. I've talked in a

846
00:31:54,795 --> 00:31:57,275
bunch of prosecutors a couple weeks ago, and

847
00:31:57,275 --> 00:32:00,075
they said, we almost have no heroin cases

848
00:32:00,075 --> 00:32:01,914
left anymore. That used to be their number

849
00:32:01,914 --> 00:32:03,454
one case. They're almost none.

850
00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:06,174
Everything's now gone to synthetic methanol.

851
00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:08,069
The whole Purdue Pharma

852
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:11,649
is way worse of a story than anybody

853
00:32:11,649 --> 00:32:12,389
can imagine,

854
00:32:13,089 --> 00:32:15,809
and everybody is sort of starts blasting the

855
00:32:15,809 --> 00:32:16,950
Mexican cartel.

856
00:32:17,490 --> 00:32:19,889
I think you and they're bad folks. I

857
00:32:19,889 --> 00:32:22,309
mean, they they are bad folks.

858
00:32:22,904 --> 00:32:25,305
And and the Chinese bad actors who brought

859
00:32:25,305 --> 00:32:27,325
it over, they are bad folks.

860
00:32:27,865 --> 00:32:28,365
But

861
00:32:29,545 --> 00:32:32,424
we this was also done within the American

862
00:32:32,424 --> 00:32:35,225
Medical Society too. Yeah. And leave it to

863
00:32:35,225 --> 00:32:37,465
America to not have a proper plan to

864
00:32:37,465 --> 00:32:38,990
fix something. They just

865
00:32:39,450 --> 00:32:41,450
Yeah. What what once we went over the

866
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:44,410
cliff and stopped that, like, you know, cold

867
00:32:44,410 --> 00:32:44,910
turkey,

868
00:32:45,529 --> 00:32:46,509
the most addictive

869
00:32:46,809 --> 00:32:50,089
drug ever known to mankind, womankind on planet

870
00:32:50,089 --> 00:32:51,150
Earth ever.

871
00:32:51,765 --> 00:32:53,945
And by the way, it's the most lethal,

872
00:32:54,644 --> 00:32:56,644
and we had no plan other than we're

873
00:32:56,644 --> 00:32:59,464
gonna have lawsuits, stop the stop prescribing,

874
00:33:00,244 --> 00:33:02,265
and everybody goes off the cliff.

875
00:33:03,045 --> 00:33:05,069
And we have a great guy in our

876
00:33:05,309 --> 00:33:07,889
our documentary, you know, Dentanyl Death Incorporated,

877
00:33:08,349 --> 00:33:09,169
Tom Wolf,

878
00:33:09,549 --> 00:33:11,630
who's a person who goes on the street

879
00:33:11,630 --> 00:33:13,329
at this time. He was addicted

880
00:33:13,869 --> 00:33:16,929
to medically addicted. He had a a medical

881
00:33:16,990 --> 00:33:17,490
surgery,

882
00:33:18,164 --> 00:33:18,904
gets inadvertently

883
00:33:19,445 --> 00:33:19,945
addicted,

884
00:33:20,404 --> 00:33:20,904
then

885
00:33:21,605 --> 00:33:23,845
the those drugs are taken away from him.

886
00:33:23,845 --> 00:33:25,845
So he goes to the street to find

887
00:33:25,845 --> 00:33:26,664
his drug

888
00:33:26,965 --> 00:33:28,744
rather than somebody saying,

889
00:33:29,045 --> 00:33:30,664
we know we got you addicted.

890
00:33:31,380 --> 00:33:34,119
Let's get you in a treatment program and

891
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:35,480
and use all that,

892
00:33:35,779 --> 00:33:38,099
you know, the Purdue Pharma money and all

893
00:33:38,099 --> 00:33:40,579
those other monies, the opioid. And how do

894
00:33:40,579 --> 00:33:43,539
we take people who were already addicted and

895
00:33:43,539 --> 00:33:46,244
get them treated? And we didn't do that.

896
00:33:46,945 --> 00:33:49,184
That's not what was done. Yeah. And there

897
00:33:49,184 --> 00:33:50,945
was a lot of shame around people who

898
00:33:50,945 --> 00:33:52,865
were addicted. They didn't wanna admit that they

899
00:33:52,865 --> 00:33:55,025
had the problem. So there's this huge secret

900
00:33:55,025 --> 00:33:55,525
that

901
00:33:55,904 --> 00:33:58,659
is riding this wave as well. So am

902
00:33:58,659 --> 00:34:01,619
I to understand then then people go they

903
00:34:01,619 --> 00:34:02,119
get

904
00:34:02,740 --> 00:34:05,779
the street drug, and that's what's laced with

905
00:34:05,779 --> 00:34:06,279
the

906
00:34:06,740 --> 00:34:09,300
with the deadly part? How does it go

907
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:12,199
from, I'm taking this pill, I'm maintaining my

908
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:13,000
addiction

909
00:34:13,934 --> 00:34:14,434
by

910
00:34:14,815 --> 00:34:17,454
pharmaceutical drug, and now I can't get that

911
00:34:17,454 --> 00:34:19,934
pharmaceutical drug. I'm going to the street, but

912
00:34:19,934 --> 00:34:20,515
it has

913
00:34:21,135 --> 00:34:23,375
it has a more fentanyl thing, and that's

914
00:34:23,375 --> 00:34:25,535
where I'm getting disconnected. Then then go to

915
00:34:25,535 --> 00:34:26,195
the street,

916
00:34:26,570 --> 00:34:28,409
and and it depends on where you are

917
00:34:28,409 --> 00:34:30,269
in the country. In San Francisco,

918
00:34:31,289 --> 00:34:32,750
they they were marketing

919
00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:36,429
fentanyl as 3 or 4 different drug substitutes

920
00:34:36,809 --> 00:34:38,110
still in the broad

921
00:34:38,765 --> 00:34:40,625
synthetic opioid family.

922
00:34:40,925 --> 00:34:43,324
They they meaning the pharmaceuticals or they meaning

923
00:34:43,324 --> 00:34:46,204
the street dealers? The street dealers. Street dealers.

924
00:34:46,204 --> 00:34:47,265
Mexican cartel,

925
00:34:47,644 --> 00:34:48,144
China,

926
00:34:48,684 --> 00:34:50,625
the local distributor, the Guatemalan,

927
00:34:52,844 --> 00:34:53,344
syndicate,

928
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:56,809
that, you know, who really dominates Bay Area.

929
00:34:57,429 --> 00:34:58,569
And they started

930
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:59,690
saying,

931
00:35:00,069 --> 00:35:02,150
here it is. And it it was all

932
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:02,650
fentanyl.

933
00:35:02,949 --> 00:35:05,369
But you needed Percocet, here it is. Synthetic

934
00:35:05,429 --> 00:35:07,049
fentanyl. They don't tell you that.

935
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:09,635
Xanax, here it is. Fentanyl.

936
00:35:10,175 --> 00:35:12,574
But knowing it's that deadly, aren't they just

937
00:35:12,574 --> 00:35:13,954
killing off their

938
00:35:15,375 --> 00:35:18,355
their people that buy their product, their customer?

939
00:35:18,494 --> 00:35:20,974
That seems like a bad business plan to

940
00:35:20,974 --> 00:35:21,954
murder your

941
00:35:22,659 --> 00:35:23,159
customers.

942
00:35:23,539 --> 00:35:26,099
And that may be sadly how this thing

943
00:35:26,099 --> 00:35:28,260
ends. You know, I I I I've spent

944
00:35:28,260 --> 00:35:29,320
a lot of philosophical

945
00:35:29,699 --> 00:35:30,519
time going,

946
00:35:30,820 --> 00:35:33,300
are we gonna solve this ourselves? Are we

947
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:35,320
gonna take control of this self?

948
00:35:35,804 --> 00:35:37,565
Or are we gonna it's gonna be like

949
00:35:37,565 --> 00:35:39,565
a forest fire and people just die off

950
00:35:39,565 --> 00:35:41,885
and you run out of fuel because everybody

951
00:35:41,885 --> 00:35:44,304
is gonna be addicted, takes it, and dies.

952
00:35:44,444 --> 00:35:45,344
The amount

953
00:35:45,644 --> 00:35:48,364
of that kills you is literally 2 grains

954
00:35:48,364 --> 00:35:49,105
of salt,

955
00:35:49,469 --> 00:35:51,730
1 15th a grain of rice.

956
00:35:52,269 --> 00:35:54,909
And so when you get that small, it's

957
00:35:54,909 --> 00:35:58,369
very hard. You know, street drug dealers,

958
00:35:59,230 --> 00:36:01,010
the biker gangs in Canada,

959
00:36:01,505 --> 00:36:04,405
the cartel in Mexico. These are not scientists

960
00:36:04,545 --> 00:36:06,485
working in a white glove lab

961
00:36:06,785 --> 00:36:08,324
and getting very precise.

962
00:36:09,025 --> 00:36:11,605
And and so sometimes you take the fentanyl,

963
00:36:12,144 --> 00:36:14,644
and you you get almost no effect because

964
00:36:14,864 --> 00:36:17,570
that part of the batch wasn't evenly mixed.

965
00:36:17,869 --> 00:36:20,530
Then another part is totally lethal

966
00:36:21,070 --> 00:36:22,910
right on for, you know, you're down and

967
00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:26,289
you're down and gone in 10 seconds. So

968
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:29,150
it it it it it varies so much.

969
00:36:29,150 --> 00:36:30,769
It varies around the country,

970
00:36:31,414 --> 00:36:33,434
but the the reason why

971
00:36:33,974 --> 00:36:36,315
the drug dealers have figured it out,

972
00:36:36,775 --> 00:36:37,275
everybody

973
00:36:37,574 --> 00:36:39,655
who takes Fentanyl, if you go ask the,

974
00:36:39,655 --> 00:36:40,715
you know, a user,

975
00:36:41,255 --> 00:36:43,835
they say this is the biggest high,

976
00:36:44,429 --> 00:36:45,170
the biggest,

977
00:36:46,909 --> 00:36:47,409
emotional

978
00:36:48,190 --> 00:36:50,429
feeling they've ever had in their life.

979
00:36:51,309 --> 00:36:53,550
They say it's, you know, better than eating,

980
00:36:53,550 --> 00:36:55,650
better than sex, better than sleeping,

981
00:36:56,109 --> 00:36:58,690
better than any other drug they've ever had.

982
00:36:59,069 --> 00:36:59,889
And so

983
00:37:00,405 --> 00:37:03,625
the one is so hard that when somebody

984
00:37:03,765 --> 00:37:06,405
dies, there's somebody right behind it to replace

985
00:37:06,405 --> 00:37:07,545
them. Now

986
00:37:08,085 --> 00:37:09,625
if the way we're going,

987
00:37:09,925 --> 00:37:12,105
you know, that we're well over a 100,000

988
00:37:12,565 --> 00:37:14,664
deaths of all types of fentanyl deaths.

989
00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:16,840
And if that continues to climb,

990
00:37:17,219 --> 00:37:19,380
at some point, we're gonna run out of

991
00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:19,960
a population

992
00:37:20,340 --> 00:37:22,500
that that dies, and then it will start

993
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:24,519
to come down at that point, sadly.

994
00:37:25,140 --> 00:37:26,519
That's per year, a 100,000?

995
00:37:27,155 --> 00:37:29,155
Yeah. 100 dot and and let's go through

996
00:37:29,155 --> 00:37:31,714
that real some real quick that data here.

997
00:37:31,714 --> 00:37:33,875
And I'll just do a bunch of not

998
00:37:33,875 --> 00:37:35,815
a bunch, but some key data download.

999
00:37:36,195 --> 00:37:38,195
Four ways to die of Fentanyl. 1 is

1000
00:37:38,195 --> 00:37:40,695
recreational drug use. Think San Francisco.

1001
00:37:41,369 --> 00:37:43,130
You go get Fentanyl on the street. You're

1002
00:37:43,130 --> 00:37:45,070
looking for Fentanyl. You want Fentanyl.

1003
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:47,930
You wanna get high. Greatest high you ever

1004
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:49,610
have, and then you take one that has

1005
00:37:49,610 --> 00:37:51,369
too much or you take too much, you

1006
00:37:51,369 --> 00:37:53,150
die. That's one group.

1007
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:55,550
Then there's the Fentanyl poisoning.

1008
00:37:56,204 --> 00:37:58,385
Normally, children 0 to 4

1009
00:37:58,844 --> 00:38:00,925
who clearly are not going out and getting

1010
00:38:00,925 --> 00:38:03,164
a dealer, you know, a park bench in

1011
00:38:03,164 --> 00:38:03,905
San Francisco

1012
00:38:04,765 --> 00:38:06,704
or mom or dad's boyfriend,

1013
00:38:07,485 --> 00:38:08,465
has some fentanyl,

1014
00:38:09,005 --> 00:38:11,425
and they literally put a hamburger on dust.

1015
00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:13,230
I mean, when you're talking 2 grains of

1016
00:38:13,230 --> 00:38:13,730
salt,

1017
00:38:14,190 --> 00:38:16,670
it could be just literally fentanyl dust. You

1018
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:19,150
put a hamburger down, sandwich down. By the

1019
00:38:19,150 --> 00:38:22,030
way, they also now have fentanyl tablets that

1020
00:38:22,030 --> 00:38:22,849
are illicit

1021
00:38:23,309 --> 00:38:25,410
that look like skillets. And so

1022
00:38:26,074 --> 00:38:28,255
it it one of the quick fastest growing

1023
00:38:28,315 --> 00:38:30,315
rates of death in the 0 to 4

1024
00:38:30,315 --> 00:38:33,275
nationwide is fentanyl poisoning. They're they're not at

1025
00:38:33,275 --> 00:38:34,574
users. They're not getting

1026
00:38:34,875 --> 00:38:37,755
a dealer. They're just somewhere in their their

1027
00:38:37,755 --> 00:38:40,154
thing of supply. This is not like weed

1028
00:38:40,154 --> 00:38:40,650
where

1029
00:38:40,969 --> 00:38:41,769
somebody leaves,

1030
00:38:42,250 --> 00:38:43,690
you know, a bag of weed on the

1031
00:38:43,690 --> 00:38:47,210
table and you accidentally ingest it, your stomach

1032
00:38:47,210 --> 00:38:49,369
might get upset. You might have a headache,

1033
00:38:49,369 --> 00:38:50,730
you know, depending on what you got in

1034
00:38:50,730 --> 00:38:53,069
it, but you're not gonna die most likely.

1035
00:38:53,285 --> 00:38:55,765
Fentanyl, you're gonna die, especially when you have

1036
00:38:55,765 --> 00:38:56,905
a smaller body

1037
00:38:57,204 --> 00:38:59,785
and such. Then you have lacing,

1038
00:39:00,485 --> 00:39:01,945
which is think Philadelphia,

1039
00:39:03,045 --> 00:39:04,265
Kensington area,

1040
00:39:04,644 --> 00:39:06,644
where they actually call it on the street

1041
00:39:06,644 --> 00:39:09,289
their trink, and it's mixing 30%

1042
00:39:09,590 --> 00:39:10,329
horse tranquilizer

1043
00:39:10,869 --> 00:39:12,650
with 70 percent Fentanyl

1044
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:15,829
because because horse tranquilizer is not enough in

1045
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:18,410
itself. So we're gonna put these 2 together,

1046
00:39:19,110 --> 00:39:20,329
and that's in Philadelphia.

1047
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:22,469
And the reason why you know a trink

1048
00:39:22,469 --> 00:39:22,969
user

1049
00:39:23,364 --> 00:39:26,244
is their skin starts to fall off. And

1050
00:39:26,244 --> 00:39:28,724
so so you have big open wounds, so

1051
00:39:28,724 --> 00:39:30,805
that's where, you know, you got that. And

1052
00:39:30,805 --> 00:39:33,765
that is a purposeful drug, and they're wanting

1053
00:39:33,765 --> 00:39:35,445
it to last longer. They want the high

1054
00:39:35,445 --> 00:39:36,425
to last longer,

1055
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,400
and they get that Fentanyl can be deadly

1056
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,260
so they wanna reduce the Fentanyl,

1057
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,019
replace it with tranquilizer,

1058
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,260
and so it makes it less deadly initially

1059
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:48,700
in their mind

1060
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,079
and then you put the trinket. But what

1061
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:51,980
really happens

1062
00:39:52,525 --> 00:39:54,764
is now you're high on 2 different drugs

1063
00:39:54,764 --> 00:39:55,264
simultaneously

1064
00:39:56,605 --> 00:39:57,664
and the reversal,

1065
00:39:59,405 --> 00:40:00,545
of the Fentanyl

1066
00:40:00,844 --> 00:40:03,005
is not reversed by the same agent for

1067
00:40:03,005 --> 00:40:03,505
tranquilizer.

1068
00:40:03,804 --> 00:40:06,059
So you reverse 1 or the other and

1069
00:40:06,059 --> 00:40:08,480
you die from the other. And then there's

1070
00:40:09,019 --> 00:40:09,759
the accidental

1071
00:40:10,059 --> 00:40:10,559
contamination

1072
00:40:11,019 --> 00:40:13,119
where the dealer doesn't know

1073
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:16,639
there's fentanyl. The user doesn't know there's fentanyl.

1074
00:40:17,315 --> 00:40:20,115
And think about, like, on Thursday night, we

1075
00:40:20,115 --> 00:40:22,755
make Fentanyl on this table right here. Then

1076
00:40:22,755 --> 00:40:26,055
on Friday, we make meth, and on Saturday,

1077
00:40:26,195 --> 00:40:28,675
we make wheat, k two, spice, some sort

1078
00:40:28,675 --> 00:40:30,789
of mix. But we're all using the same

1079
00:40:30,789 --> 00:40:32,730
table and the table's not clean.

1080
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:34,650
And if you don't, you

1081
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:36,089
know, thoroughly

1082
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:38,170
sterilize it after Fentanyl,

1083
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:40,569
that poison stays around,

1084
00:40:40,949 --> 00:40:43,109
and people there are getting it, and they

1085
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:44,925
don't even know what they're getting. A lot

1086
00:40:44,925 --> 00:40:47,664
of people are dying from weed now

1087
00:40:48,045 --> 00:40:50,045
and finding out it was Fentanyl and they

1088
00:40:50,045 --> 00:40:51,965
had no idea. And those are the 4

1089
00:40:51,965 --> 00:40:54,364
ways you die. So when you add all

1090
00:40:54,364 --> 00:40:56,224
of them up because the government

1091
00:40:56,605 --> 00:40:58,849
doesn't put them all in one box, And

1092
00:40:58,849 --> 00:41:00,690
I'll add a 5th if you really want

1093
00:41:00,690 --> 00:41:03,510
to go where Fentanyl is being

1094
00:41:03,969 --> 00:41:04,469
prescribed,

1095
00:41:05,329 --> 00:41:08,210
you know, for medical purpose, medical need. And

1096
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:09,429
when it gets misused,

1097
00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:11,909
that group's approaching 20,000,

1098
00:41:12,610 --> 00:41:15,844
just that group, where they are prescribed a

1099
00:41:15,844 --> 00:41:16,344
Fentanyl,

1100
00:41:17,605 --> 00:41:18,905
a synthetic opioid,

1101
00:41:19,445 --> 00:41:22,025
and they'd say it's a patch for cancer,

1102
00:41:22,724 --> 00:41:24,905
and they're supposed to put one patch on.

1103
00:41:25,125 --> 00:41:28,579
But instead, the grandkid goes takes 3 patches

1104
00:41:28,579 --> 00:41:30,280
and puts 3 on and die.

1105
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:33,380
And so there's a proper prescription out there,

1106
00:41:33,380 --> 00:41:35,160
but there's a misuse of medical.

1107
00:41:35,619 --> 00:41:38,260
And so this is how bad fit fennel

1108
00:41:38,260 --> 00:41:40,425
is like in every part of this. So

1109
00:41:40,425 --> 00:41:42,045
when you take them all together,

1110
00:41:42,824 --> 00:41:44,765
it you get easily a 150,000

1111
00:41:45,305 --> 00:41:47,885
a year. Some people think it's over 200,000.

1112
00:41:48,505 --> 00:41:50,985
It would not surprise me. And so at

1113
00:41:50,985 --> 00:41:52,605
this point, if I'm an EMT

1114
00:41:52,905 --> 00:41:53,405
or

1115
00:41:53,704 --> 00:41:55,965
the fire or police and I'm

1116
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:59,430
I find someone slumped over in the street,

1117
00:41:59,430 --> 00:42:01,849
there's really it's anybody's guess

1118
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:04,789
the thing at this point. There's so many

1119
00:42:04,789 --> 00:42:05,289
derivatives.

1120
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:08,230
There's so many great, but the what most

1121
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:10,789
people will do, they they're gonna start by

1122
00:42:10,789 --> 00:42:11,289
assuming

1123
00:42:12,174 --> 00:42:14,414
especially if you're slumped and there's there's that

1124
00:42:14,494 --> 00:42:16,894
they call it the fentanyl bin. You're literally

1125
00:42:16,894 --> 00:42:17,875
bent over.

1126
00:42:18,335 --> 00:42:20,335
And and if you see a person bent

1127
00:42:20,335 --> 00:42:21,474
over and you're going,

1128
00:42:21,855 --> 00:42:23,795
how are they not falling over?

1129
00:42:24,094 --> 00:42:26,174
You know, and they're rocking a little bit

1130
00:42:26,174 --> 00:42:29,210
and they're out. That's called the fentanyl bin.

1131
00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:30,909
And what it is is fentanyl

1132
00:42:31,609 --> 00:42:33,469
paralyzes your chest cavity.

1133
00:42:34,089 --> 00:42:35,869
And so that's why

1134
00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:38,809
the way fentanyl kills you is by your

1135
00:42:38,809 --> 00:42:40,269
paralyzed chest cavity,

1136
00:42:40,844 --> 00:42:43,324
your you don't breathe, you run out of

1137
00:42:43,324 --> 00:42:44,704
oxygen and you die.

1138
00:42:45,164 --> 00:42:46,864
But it also that paralysis

1139
00:42:47,484 --> 00:42:49,644
allows you to sort of, like, win the

1140
00:42:49,644 --> 00:42:51,425
active ingredient takes effect

1141
00:42:51,724 --> 00:42:54,304
wherever you were, you sort of stop there

1142
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,500
and your body just autogenically

1143
00:42:57,599 --> 00:42:58,420
rocks you

1144
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,219
and then you die and fall down.

1145
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:03,840
And you can almost tell a fit for

1146
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:04,420
a user

1147
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,359
because they they they they have this fit

1148
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:09,684
in a bin and they almost always have

1149
00:43:09,684 --> 00:43:11,784
their paraphernalia still in their hands

1150
00:43:12,085 --> 00:43:13,784
because it goes so fast

1151
00:43:14,484 --> 00:43:15,464
unlike meth.

1152
00:43:15,844 --> 00:43:17,784
Like, if if you see meth users,

1153
00:43:18,085 --> 00:43:19,385
normally meth users

1154
00:43:19,764 --> 00:43:21,949
take their hit and they're able to put

1155
00:43:21,949 --> 00:43:23,710
everything back in because they don't wanna lose

1156
00:43:23,710 --> 00:43:25,469
their pipe. They don't wanna lose their wallet.

1157
00:43:25,469 --> 00:43:27,409
They don't wanna use their extra supply,

1158
00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:29,569
their torch, their foil,

1159
00:43:29,869 --> 00:43:30,369
whatever.

1160
00:43:30,750 --> 00:43:32,670
So they put all that in their front

1161
00:43:32,670 --> 00:43:35,994
pocket, so nobody will go after it. And

1162
00:43:35,994 --> 00:43:38,795
then they they slump and other things happen

1163
00:43:38,795 --> 00:43:40,414
or they go hyper or whatever.

1164
00:43:40,795 --> 00:43:42,734
But Fentanyl is very unique,

1165
00:43:43,675 --> 00:43:45,994
because you have this fentanyl bin. And so

1166
00:43:45,994 --> 00:43:48,715
soon as a first responder you know, Billy

1167
00:43:48,715 --> 00:43:50,414
Baldwin and I have been out

1168
00:43:51,019 --> 00:43:51,519
in

1169
00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:53,359
dozens of cities now.

1170
00:43:53,739 --> 00:43:56,079
In every single city, we've seen somebody

1171
00:43:56,539 --> 00:43:57,039
die.

1172
00:43:57,659 --> 00:43:59,519
Go down. It it is incredible.

1173
00:44:00,059 --> 00:44:03,199
And so once you notice that fentanyl bin

1174
00:44:03,260 --> 00:44:05,474
and if you notice they don't, they have

1175
00:44:05,474 --> 00:44:06,855
everything in their hands,

1176
00:44:07,555 --> 00:44:10,115
that is a really good idea that person

1177
00:44:10,115 --> 00:44:11,894
has an opioid, you know,

1178
00:44:12,994 --> 00:44:15,635
a synthetic opioid overdose. So you hit them

1179
00:44:15,635 --> 00:44:18,195
with Narcan. But what's now happening on the

1180
00:44:18,195 --> 00:44:20,275
street, we used to had a person one

1181
00:44:20,275 --> 00:44:22,710
time and they came right back. Now we're

1182
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:24,789
having to hit somebody 3 times fit. Billy

1183
00:44:24,789 --> 00:44:26,309
and I were with the person the other

1184
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:26,809
day.

1185
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:29,910
We gave with the not the EMT team

1186
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:32,090
we're with. They gave him nose,

1187
00:44:32,469 --> 00:44:33,929
hit him with nose again,

1188
00:44:34,355 --> 00:44:36,514
and then they gave him an inject and,

1189
00:44:36,835 --> 00:44:39,315
did an injection into the thigh, and then

1190
00:44:39,315 --> 00:44:41,474
he came back. And this guy had no

1191
00:44:41,474 --> 00:44:44,214
heart rate, no breathing for over a minute.

1192
00:44:44,514 --> 00:44:46,295
And while we're on NARCAN,

1193
00:44:46,820 --> 00:44:48,039
there are a lot of people

1194
00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:48,920
sadly

1195
00:44:49,219 --> 00:44:52,119
in the harm reduction world who say that

1196
00:44:52,340 --> 00:44:53,880
the Narcan's the answer.

1197
00:44:55,059 --> 00:44:57,780
Let me dispel that myth. If you take

1198
00:44:57,780 --> 00:45:01,320
Narcan and reverse your brain after not breathing

1199
00:45:01,380 --> 00:45:04,015
for 1 minute, 2 minute, 3 minute, 4

1200
00:45:04,015 --> 00:45:04,515
minute,

1201
00:45:04,894 --> 00:45:07,215
you will have brain damage. Now you're gonna

1202
00:45:07,215 --> 00:45:09,375
lie, you're gonna come back alive and such.

1203
00:45:09,375 --> 00:45:12,015
So if you're a 4 year old and

1204
00:45:12,015 --> 00:45:14,494
and the the the sad kid goes down,

1205
00:45:14,494 --> 00:45:15,795
you hit him with Narcon,

1206
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:19,590
That I that's why we should have Narcan

1207
00:45:19,590 --> 00:45:21,390
because you bring the kid back, you you

1208
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:23,369
we make sure we clean everything,

1209
00:45:23,909 --> 00:45:26,550
teach people don't eat, you know, off the

1210
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:28,650
wrappers and all that other stuff.

1211
00:45:29,054 --> 00:45:30,974
But there's a lot of people who think

1212
00:45:30,974 --> 00:45:33,954
you can take unlimited Narcan with no harm.

1213
00:45:34,574 --> 00:45:36,815
When we know when people have heart attacks

1214
00:45:36,815 --> 00:45:37,554
and stroke

1215
00:45:38,094 --> 00:45:40,014
and they lose oxygen for 2 or 3

1216
00:45:40,014 --> 00:45:42,755
minutes, we know there's the the depreciated

1217
00:45:44,180 --> 00:45:46,519
brain capacity. It might be 2 or 3%.

1218
00:45:47,140 --> 00:45:48,980
If if you have one stroke, you lose

1219
00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:50,980
2 or 3%, you're you're gonna be okay

1220
00:45:50,980 --> 00:45:52,039
in the long run.

1221
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:54,739
If you get past the stroke conditions, you'll

1222
00:45:54,739 --> 00:45:55,400
be fine.

1223
00:45:55,780 --> 00:45:58,324
But if you have 5, 6, 7, 8

1224
00:45:58,324 --> 00:46:00,644
strokes in a row and lose 2 or

1225
00:46:00,644 --> 00:46:02,025
3% each time,

1226
00:46:02,324 --> 00:46:04,724
now it starts to really affect you. Same

1227
00:46:04,724 --> 00:46:07,605
with heart attacks, starts to affect you. And

1228
00:46:07,605 --> 00:46:08,105
so

1229
00:46:08,739 --> 00:46:11,140
it it we have to start thinking more

1230
00:46:11,140 --> 00:46:11,640
about

1231
00:46:12,340 --> 00:46:14,920
he only went one minute without oxygen

1232
00:46:15,300 --> 00:46:16,039
to saying

1233
00:46:16,420 --> 00:46:17,800
he's gone 27

1234
00:46:18,099 --> 00:46:20,119
minutes of his life without oxygen

1235
00:46:20,420 --> 00:46:21,719
in 8 episodes

1236
00:46:22,635 --> 00:46:25,775
because that starts to create a a cumulatating

1237
00:46:27,034 --> 00:46:29,054
effect of damage to the brain.

1238
00:46:29,515 --> 00:46:30,015
And

1239
00:46:30,554 --> 00:46:32,735
it I think we gotta be careful

1240
00:46:33,114 --> 00:46:35,835
of making this myth that Narcan saves your

1241
00:46:35,835 --> 00:46:36,335
life.

1242
00:46:36,860 --> 00:46:39,739
Narcan can save your life, but it won't

1243
00:46:39,739 --> 00:46:41,660
save your life in the long run. Like,

1244
00:46:41,660 --> 00:46:43,739
one of my first early shockers, and I've

1245
00:46:43,739 --> 00:46:45,360
been shocked a lot in Fentanyl,

1246
00:46:46,059 --> 00:46:48,940
is I've not met anybody yet who's been

1247
00:46:48,940 --> 00:46:50,800
on Fentanyl over 18 months.

1248
00:46:52,025 --> 00:46:53,485
Yeah. They die.

1249
00:46:54,025 --> 00:46:56,285
Yeah. I've not met anybody

1250
00:46:56,744 --> 00:46:59,305
who's gone over 18 months with Fentanyl. From

1251
00:46:59,305 --> 00:47:00,125
first use,

1252
00:47:00,425 --> 00:47:00,925
and

1253
00:47:01,385 --> 00:47:03,864
I've only met a handful of people who

1254
00:47:03,864 --> 00:47:04,684
beat Fentanyl,

1255
00:47:05,469 --> 00:47:07,469
because we're we're not taking it serious. We're

1256
00:47:07,469 --> 00:47:09,730
not taking treatment and recovery seriously. Instead,

1257
00:47:10,349 --> 00:47:12,989
we tell them, wear your Narcan around you,

1258
00:47:12,989 --> 00:47:15,230
you know, put your Narcan on and and,

1259
00:47:15,230 --> 00:47:17,070
you know, before you start taking it, and

1260
00:47:17,070 --> 00:47:18,750
we're gonna make it in bright orange and

1261
00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:19,730
they go green

1262
00:47:20,065 --> 00:47:21,905
and put it on your thing. And so

1263
00:47:21,905 --> 00:47:22,804
somebody will

1264
00:47:23,184 --> 00:47:24,164
reverse you.

1265
00:47:24,784 --> 00:47:27,364
That's not a plan. That's not a plan.

1266
00:47:27,664 --> 00:47:29,505
That's again, it's the band aid for bullet

1267
00:47:29,505 --> 00:47:31,204
holes we talk about all the time.

1268
00:47:31,824 --> 00:47:32,324
Exactly.

1269
00:47:33,025 --> 00:47:35,329
Yeah. Tell people where they can find the

1270
00:47:35,329 --> 00:47:35,829
film.

1271
00:47:36,369 --> 00:47:38,130
Well, right now, we're streaming on,

1272
00:47:40,050 --> 00:47:41,110
Salem now

1273
00:47:41,489 --> 00:47:44,050
dot com. Salem now dot com. It's like

1274
00:47:44,050 --> 00:47:44,789
a pre

1275
00:47:45,570 --> 00:47:48,644
special deal, and then we'll be doing a

1276
00:47:48,644 --> 00:47:49,625
formal release,

1277
00:47:50,485 --> 00:47:51,704
in a hook Q1

1278
00:47:52,325 --> 00:47:53,144
of 2025,

1279
00:47:53,605 --> 00:47:55,545
and it will go out on other platforms.

1280
00:47:56,325 --> 00:47:58,325
And but right now, you can go get

1281
00:47:58,325 --> 00:47:59,385
on salem now.com.

1282
00:48:00,389 --> 00:48:02,329
And I I encourage everybody

1283
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:05,269
because the best thing you can do to

1284
00:48:05,269 --> 00:48:07,929
help solve the fentanyl crisis is be informed

1285
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:09,690
and not repeat

1286
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:13,529
bad decision making and start making better decision

1287
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:15,855
making. And if we all as a society

1288
00:48:16,315 --> 00:48:17,135
start doing

1289
00:48:17,595 --> 00:48:20,394
that, that's first step, you know. And and,

1290
00:48:20,394 --> 00:48:22,474
yes, we gotta get tough on China. We

1291
00:48:22,474 --> 00:48:24,655
gotta get tough on the cartels. We gotta

1292
00:48:24,715 --> 00:48:27,275
we gotta start focusing on Canada, which is

1293
00:48:27,275 --> 00:48:29,215
on almost nobody's radar

1294
00:48:29,849 --> 00:48:31,690
now we gotta start looking at the northern

1295
00:48:31,690 --> 00:48:32,910
border. But

1296
00:48:33,530 --> 00:48:35,230
at some point or another,

1297
00:48:36,090 --> 00:48:37,630
United States citizenry,

1298
00:48:38,250 --> 00:48:39,309
our society

1299
00:48:40,090 --> 00:48:40,910
should ask,

1300
00:48:41,545 --> 00:48:42,844
why are we 4.25%

1301
00:48:43,864 --> 00:48:45,085
of the world's population,

1302
00:48:45,465 --> 00:48:47,085
but we're consuming 38%

1303
00:48:47,465 --> 00:48:49,164
of the world's Fentanyl supply?

1304
00:48:49,625 --> 00:48:51,385
Right. And we have to stop making it

1305
00:48:51,385 --> 00:48:53,545
about politics and bring it back to being

1306
00:48:53,545 --> 00:48:54,445
about humanity

1307
00:48:54,969 --> 00:48:57,769
and the human That that should not be

1308
00:48:57,769 --> 00:48:59,949
a right left. It shouldn't be a conservative

1309
00:49:00,090 --> 00:49:00,590
democrat.

1310
00:49:00,969 --> 00:49:03,769
It shouldn't be a liberal republican issue. This

1311
00:49:03,769 --> 00:49:05,710
should be a a USA

1312
00:49:06,090 --> 00:49:08,510
red, white, blue issue for all Americans

1313
00:49:09,114 --> 00:49:10,255
because it is killing

1314
00:49:10,635 --> 00:49:11,135
everybody.

1315
00:49:11,675 --> 00:49:13,835
If you look at the numbers, it's killing

1316
00:49:13,835 --> 00:49:17,675
rich, it's killing poor, it's killing people who

1317
00:49:17,675 --> 00:49:19,755
work with their hands, people who work with,

1318
00:49:19,994 --> 00:49:22,619
you know, their brains, people who work, you

1319
00:49:22,619 --> 00:49:24,880
know, on the plant floor or inside

1320
00:49:25,339 --> 00:49:28,699
a an IT company. It's killing people across

1321
00:49:28,699 --> 00:49:29,359
the board.

1322
00:49:29,659 --> 00:49:30,880
It's so lethal.

1323
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:33,659
It it and it's the lethality of it

1324
00:49:33,659 --> 00:49:34,639
because you can't.

1325
00:49:35,154 --> 00:49:37,394
Everybody who starts to play with it, it's

1326
00:49:37,394 --> 00:49:38,994
just a matter of time till you get

1327
00:49:38,994 --> 00:49:41,234
that bad dose that puts you over. Why

1328
00:49:41,234 --> 00:49:43,094
do you think there is such a disconnect?

1329
00:49:43,154 --> 00:49:45,394
When we think about for example, when you

1330
00:49:45,394 --> 00:49:47,234
were talking before, I I couldn't help but

1331
00:49:47,234 --> 00:49:49,619
think of the cigarette companies used to be

1332
00:49:49,619 --> 00:49:51,460
like, oh, cigarettes are fine for you. No

1333
00:49:51,460 --> 00:49:52,519
worries. No problem.

1334
00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:55,059
And they marketed to children, and then huge

1335
00:49:55,059 --> 00:49:56,119
legislation was

1336
00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:58,339
passed to get rid of things like Joe

1337
00:49:58,339 --> 00:50:00,434
the Camel, a camel cigarette, you know, things

1338
00:50:00,434 --> 00:50:03,074
that made it enticing for kids because they

1339
00:50:03,074 --> 00:50:05,474
knew to get them addicted young to have

1340
00:50:05,474 --> 00:50:06,535
lifelong smokers.

1341
00:50:07,074 --> 00:50:07,574
So

1342
00:50:08,035 --> 00:50:10,994
things like car accidents and seat belts or

1343
00:50:10,994 --> 00:50:13,715
motorcycle accidents and helmets, you know, all these

1344
00:50:13,715 --> 00:50:14,614
things that

1345
00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:16,269
were a response

1346
00:50:16,570 --> 00:50:17,789
to save lives.

1347
00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:19,230
Why not

1348
00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:20,109
this?

1349
00:50:21,130 --> 00:50:21,630
Well,

1350
00:50:22,170 --> 00:50:23,929
I I love the fact you brought up

1351
00:50:23,929 --> 00:50:24,429
cigarettes

1352
00:50:24,809 --> 00:50:26,590
because in many ways,

1353
00:50:27,525 --> 00:50:28,744
the the cigarettes

1354
00:50:29,125 --> 00:50:31,525
the story of cigarettes, especially over the last

1355
00:50:31,525 --> 00:50:32,344
50 years,

1356
00:50:32,724 --> 00:50:35,045
gives me hope on Fentanyl in a weird

1357
00:50:35,045 --> 00:50:36,885
way, and I'll explain that in a second.

1358
00:50:36,885 --> 00:50:38,424
But before I go there,

1359
00:50:38,964 --> 00:50:40,105
we have to understand

1360
00:50:40,484 --> 00:50:41,304
how we're

1361
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:44,940
that how crazy this has gotten. In San

1362
00:50:44,940 --> 00:50:45,440
Francisco,

1363
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:48,700
you can get a fine almost update that

1364
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:49,680
I think is $78100

1365
00:50:50,460 --> 00:50:52,619
is the max fine if you do some

1366
00:50:52,619 --> 00:50:53,119
repetitive

1367
00:50:53,739 --> 00:50:56,460
just smoking outside the building. They do give

1368
00:50:56,460 --> 00:50:56,960
tickets

1369
00:50:57,414 --> 00:50:58,554
for about $250

1370
00:50:59,174 --> 00:51:01,434
for and and I've seen them give tickets.

1371
00:51:01,494 --> 00:51:02,714
Please give tickets

1372
00:51:03,174 --> 00:51:06,074
to smoke a cigarette outside a building. But

1373
00:51:06,614 --> 00:51:07,674
in San Francisco,

1374
00:51:08,214 --> 00:51:09,514
the health authority

1375
00:51:10,579 --> 00:51:12,500
funded, and we got video on this in

1376
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:15,239
our homelessness movie, funded at $28,000,000

1377
00:51:16,019 --> 00:51:16,599
a year,

1378
00:51:17,059 --> 00:51:20,340
a, quote, safe consumption of Fentanyl site, which

1379
00:51:20,340 --> 00:51:22,579
ended up not being safe at all and

1380
00:51:22,579 --> 00:51:24,679
not, you know, so called harmless.

1381
00:51:25,045 --> 00:51:26,885
But the the they were saying, well, if

1382
00:51:26,885 --> 00:51:28,644
we if they do it with us, it

1383
00:51:28,644 --> 00:51:29,545
will be better,

1384
00:51:30,085 --> 00:51:32,905
which is there's no treatment. There's no recovery.

1385
00:51:32,965 --> 00:51:34,965
It's like saying, come do it with us,

1386
00:51:34,965 --> 00:51:37,224
and we'll give you the Narcan right here,

1387
00:51:37,449 --> 00:51:39,289
and we'll reverse it, and then you do

1388
00:51:39,289 --> 00:51:41,050
that 30 times and you have no brain

1389
00:51:41,050 --> 00:51:41,550
left.

1390
00:51:41,929 --> 00:51:44,650
I'm shocked at how places in, like, Vancouver,

1391
00:51:44,650 --> 00:51:45,150
Canada,

1392
00:51:45,690 --> 00:51:47,530
San Francisco, a lot of place in United

1393
00:51:47,530 --> 00:51:50,410
States, you see no smoking. You know, we

1394
00:51:50,410 --> 00:51:52,030
card. We we check.

1395
00:51:52,485 --> 00:51:54,184
You know, everybody over 21.

1396
00:51:54,965 --> 00:51:56,885
And then when it comes to fentanyl, it's

1397
00:51:56,885 --> 00:51:59,445
like, we will actually give you a pipe

1398
00:51:59,445 --> 00:52:01,385
so you can safely do fentanyl.

1399
00:52:01,925 --> 00:52:02,664
In Canada,

1400
00:52:03,445 --> 00:52:05,365
you know, they've really gone off the loony

1401
00:52:05,365 --> 00:52:05,865
tune,

1402
00:52:06,405 --> 00:52:06,905
and

1403
00:52:07,230 --> 00:52:08,530
we found a machine

1404
00:52:09,150 --> 00:52:11,949
outside the emergency room. I'm at literally at

1405
00:52:11,949 --> 00:52:12,610
the emergency

1406
00:52:13,070 --> 00:52:13,809
room door

1407
00:52:14,429 --> 00:52:16,909
where you can get safe smoking supply and

1408
00:52:16,909 --> 00:52:19,034
they call it safe smoking, which is just

1409
00:52:19,114 --> 00:52:21,114
I don't know how you can make fentanyl

1410
00:52:21,114 --> 00:52:23,355
safe. It's safe. Fentanyl is the most deadly

1411
00:52:23,355 --> 00:52:25,275
thing we've ever seen. You can't make it

1412
00:52:25,275 --> 00:52:27,594
safe, but they give you you can go

1413
00:52:27,594 --> 00:52:30,094
buy a pipe and then basically the emergency

1414
00:52:30,315 --> 00:52:30,815
room

1415
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,239
at this the hospitals and and San Francisco

1416
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,219
does that. So here's why I'm actually

1417
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:38,099
optimistic.

1418
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:39,940
In 1965,

1419
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:41,940
48%

1420
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:44,900
of all adults in America

1421
00:52:45,625 --> 00:52:47,485
smoked cigarettes in 1965.

1422
00:52:48,265 --> 00:52:50,905
And now, last year, the last number I

1423
00:52:50,905 --> 00:52:52,844
saw, I think was, 2022

1424
00:52:53,864 --> 00:52:54,765
was 12%

1425
00:52:55,305 --> 00:52:58,025
of adults in America smoked. So if you're

1426
00:52:58,025 --> 00:52:58,925
in San Francisco

1427
00:52:59,945 --> 00:53:01,005
and you say

1428
00:53:01,389 --> 00:53:03,010
you get a fine for $78100

1429
00:53:04,030 --> 00:53:05,570
for smoking a cigarette,

1430
00:53:06,030 --> 00:53:08,510
why don't we make the same fine for

1431
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:09,010
Fentanyl

1432
00:53:09,309 --> 00:53:12,269
rather than the health department giving it to

1433
00:53:12,269 --> 00:53:14,590
you and giving you pipes and giving you

1434
00:53:14,590 --> 00:53:16,605
foils and giving you the straw and giving

1435
00:53:16,605 --> 00:53:18,844
you the Norcan and say, come do it

1436
00:53:18,844 --> 00:53:20,925
here with us. And when you pass out

1437
00:53:20,925 --> 00:53:23,405
entirely and start not breathing and start not

1438
00:53:23,405 --> 00:53:25,664
having a heart rate, we'll hit with Norcan.

1439
00:53:25,965 --> 00:53:27,105
Instead saying,

1440
00:53:27,405 --> 00:53:29,730
why don't we find you that? Or make

1441
00:53:29,730 --> 00:53:31,809
the fine instead of being money, the fine

1442
00:53:31,809 --> 00:53:32,550
is mandatory

1443
00:53:33,409 --> 00:53:35,349
7 days in a treatment facility.

1444
00:53:35,889 --> 00:53:36,389
Mandatory

1445
00:53:36,690 --> 00:53:37,909
treatment. Absolutely.

1446
00:53:39,170 --> 00:53:40,710
And and in California,

1447
00:53:41,170 --> 00:53:41,829
up until

1448
00:53:42,210 --> 00:53:44,550
this great citizen sort of revolt

1449
00:53:45,085 --> 00:53:45,744
of the decriminalization,

1450
00:53:46,844 --> 00:53:48,305
we need to recriminalize

1451
00:53:49,244 --> 00:53:52,204
heavy duty drugs. We we absolutely have to

1452
00:53:52,204 --> 00:53:53,664
do it, and we have to criminalize

1453
00:53:54,525 --> 00:53:57,644
heavy duty drugs that are high volume, you

1454
00:53:57,644 --> 00:54:00,239
know, big dealers, wholesale dealers. They need to

1455
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,239
get locked up for life. I mean, they

1456
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,179
need to like not be in circulation

1457
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,780
and there needs to be consequences instead of

1458
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,079
these 5 or 6 states that have gone

1459
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:11,139
through this decriminalization.

1460
00:54:12,164 --> 00:54:14,324
By the way, all of which have the

1461
00:54:14,324 --> 00:54:15,945
worst problems in America.

1462
00:54:16,804 --> 00:54:17,785
There's a correlation.

1463
00:54:20,244 --> 00:54:22,585
I I think the people who are pushing

1464
00:54:22,724 --> 00:54:25,045
these harm reductions, they have blood on their

1465
00:54:25,045 --> 00:54:26,744
hands. I I I really

1466
00:54:27,150 --> 00:54:28,750
I I used to be a lot plighter

1467
00:54:28,750 --> 00:54:31,389
and nicer about it and and now I'm

1468
00:54:31,389 --> 00:54:33,789
I'm becoming militant because they're helping to kill

1469
00:54:33,789 --> 00:54:35,789
people. I feel the same way about people

1470
00:54:35,789 --> 00:54:38,690
that are arguing in our in our government

1471
00:54:38,750 --> 00:54:40,829
about who can use a bathroom. It's like,

1472
00:54:40,829 --> 00:54:43,934
honey, there are bigger freaking problems in this

1473
00:54:43,934 --> 00:54:44,835
country than

1474
00:54:45,775 --> 00:54:47,295
where you're going to pee.

1475
00:54:47,694 --> 00:54:48,815
It's just it makes me crazy,

1476
00:54:49,855 --> 00:54:50,014
how

1477
00:54:51,454 --> 00:54:53,554
I I understand the theater circus

1478
00:54:54,014 --> 00:54:56,010
and and I get that. I know that

1479
00:54:56,010 --> 00:54:58,170
that's what people love to see. They love

1480
00:54:58,170 --> 00:55:00,090
the fighting. They love the theater. They love

1481
00:55:00,090 --> 00:55:00,750
the circus.

1482
00:55:01,050 --> 00:55:03,469
But to what end? And at what cost?

1483
00:55:04,329 --> 00:55:06,750
This is an existential threat to America.

1484
00:55:07,184 --> 00:55:09,585
And why people are not talking about it,

1485
00:55:09,585 --> 00:55:11,824
why we're not ringing the bell that that

1486
00:55:11,824 --> 00:55:13,285
the house is on fire.

1487
00:55:13,824 --> 00:55:16,065
And on solutions, we need all of the

1488
00:55:16,065 --> 00:55:18,305
above. It can't be just 1. We gotta

1489
00:55:18,305 --> 00:55:20,730
do it all. Because it affects all of

1490
00:55:20,730 --> 00:55:21,869
us. It's something

1491
00:55:22,410 --> 00:55:24,570
this is not something to turn one's back

1492
00:55:24,570 --> 00:55:26,989
on. And as you eloquently stated,

1493
00:55:27,289 --> 00:55:28,110
it's everyone.

1494
00:55:28,809 --> 00:55:29,469
It's it's

1495
00:55:29,769 --> 00:55:33,230
young, rich, poor, black, white, green, red, whatever.

1496
00:55:33,735 --> 00:55:35,994
It's everyone. There is no

1497
00:55:36,695 --> 00:55:38,954
there's no running from it.

1498
00:55:39,655 --> 00:55:41,815
Drugs don't care what you look like or

1499
00:55:41,815 --> 00:55:43,255
who you are or how much money you

1500
00:55:43,255 --> 00:55:44,474
make. They don't care.

1501
00:55:45,015 --> 00:55:45,510
It's

1502
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:49,429
it's it's a non there's no bias in

1503
00:55:49,429 --> 00:55:50,250
that whatsoever.

1504
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:53,130
Doesn't matter how well educated you are.

1505
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:55,750
Most of us, if not all of us,

1506
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:56,809
who know how to

1507
00:55:57,110 --> 00:55:59,750
who pay attention to anything. We know that,

1508
00:55:59,750 --> 00:56:01,984
for example, meth is an incredibly

1509
00:56:02,284 --> 00:56:05,244
dangerous drug, yet people still take it for

1510
00:56:05,244 --> 00:56:06,304
the first time.

1511
00:56:06,844 --> 00:56:09,085
All these drugs, we know what they'll do.

1512
00:56:09,085 --> 00:56:10,684
They still take it for the first time.

1513
00:56:10,684 --> 00:56:12,384
It's pretty common knowledge. Cocaine,

1514
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,280
I I don't know about these days. These

1515
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,800
days, it would probably be pretty scary because

1516
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,219
of Fentanyl. But cocaine back in that day,

1517
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,900
you know, it was well known

1518
00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:21,699
that

1519
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,760
there is a percentage of people that they

1520
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,359
would drop dead because they didn't have the

1521
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:26,960
receptor in their brain, and it would kill

1522
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,804
them. Yet, everybody does it. We see drunk

1523
00:56:29,804 --> 00:56:30,704
driving accidents.

1524
00:56:31,085 --> 00:56:33,324
We see our, you know, people in our

1525
00:56:33,324 --> 00:56:35,985
family who are so addicted to alcohol

1526
00:56:36,445 --> 00:56:38,364
that, you know, they're throwing up in sinks

1527
00:56:38,364 --> 00:56:41,190
or they're missing work or they're whatever. It's

1528
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:43,349
not like we don't see this stuff and

1529
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:44,329
yet we still

1530
00:56:44,949 --> 00:56:47,130
do it. Because I think there is this

1531
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:48,889
feeling of immortality

1532
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:50,650
that humans have

1533
00:56:51,269 --> 00:56:53,894
that says, oh, that won't happen to me.

1534
00:56:54,135 --> 00:56:54,635
And

1535
00:56:54,934 --> 00:56:57,815
the desire to get that high. The whole

1536
00:56:57,815 --> 00:56:59,914
drug supply is now contaminated.

1537
00:57:00,215 --> 00:57:01,594
It's not 1%

1538
00:57:01,974 --> 00:57:05,594
contaminated. It's the majority. It's almost 3 fourths.

1539
00:57:05,735 --> 00:57:07,655
And in parts of this country, it's more

1540
00:57:07,655 --> 00:57:10,239
than 3 fourths. And and risk something like

1541
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,160
that. It it just, you know, that that's

1542
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,760
why I want people to know and and

1543
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,160
want people to get educated. And this is

1544
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,460
not about scaring people.

1545
00:57:23,454 --> 00:57:25,375
This is about getting facts out. And if

1546
00:57:25,375 --> 00:57:27,534
you get the facts out, maybe you won't

1547
00:57:27,534 --> 00:57:28,755
do it the first time.

1548
00:57:29,614 --> 00:57:32,014
Yeah. Although, I think scaring them is also

1549
00:57:32,014 --> 00:57:34,755
a good tactic. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you

1550
00:57:34,894 --> 00:57:37,534
for being on the show again, Robert, and

1551
00:57:37,534 --> 00:57:39,539
thank you for continuing to make

1552
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:40,739
these documentaries

1553
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:43,920
to sound the alarm for things. I think

1554
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,319
that's so important. There's a million things you

1555
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:48,000
could be doing with your time. The fact

1556
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,739
that you have chosen this path in life,

1557
00:57:50,799 --> 00:57:51,859
I appreciate it.

1558
00:57:52,605 --> 00:57:55,164
Well, thank thank you very much. Encourage everybody

1559
00:57:55,164 --> 00:57:56,864
to go watch it. And and

1560
00:57:57,324 --> 00:57:58,545
and and thanks to,

1561
00:57:59,085 --> 00:58:02,125
our director editor, Sue Woolworth. He's made it

1562
00:58:02,284 --> 00:58:03,505
it's it's a very

1563
00:58:04,125 --> 00:58:04,625
entertaining

1564
00:58:05,005 --> 00:58:07,800
every everybody who's turned it on watches it

1565
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,640
all the way through. Yeah. It's really good.

1566
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,880
I watched it. Yeah. And and thank you

1567
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,519
for watching it. Of course. Robert, thank you

1568
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:15,260
so much.

1569
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:17,960
I appreciate your time, and thank you for

1570
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,140
listening everybody. Bye bye. Bye.

1571
00:58:22,414 --> 00:58:25,054
Great. Review and subscribe to Hey Human, podcast

1572
00:58:25,054 --> 00:58:28,175
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1573
00:58:28,175 --> 00:58:29,394
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1574
00:58:29,855 --> 00:58:30,355
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