Hey, humans. How's it going? Susan Ruth here.
Thanks for listening to another episode
of Hey Human podcast.
This is episode 425,
and my guest is Alrik Rocha.
Alrik's film, Love,
Blood, and Aztec Demons, the lost films of
Juan Moctezuma
the second
has been a 10 year labor of love
and quest
to explore and restore the lost films of
a legendary
Mexican filmmaker
whose complicated life and obsessions
cost him everything.
Ulrich is also an instructor at the Los
Angeles Film School, where I recently saw a
screening of the film.
It is fantastic.
I absolutely
loved it. It's got love triangles, lucha libre
matches, mayhem,
love,
obsession,
betrayal.
It's got everything.
It's like no documentary I have ever seen,
and that is for sure. I really enjoyed
this conversation
and learning more
about
Ulrich's project and where it's going. We're actually
gonna be in a couple film festivals
coming up, at the same film festivals together,
so that's pretty exciting.
It's always fun when friends do well.
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It's really interesting.
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Here we go.
Arik Rocha, welcome to Hey Human.
Hello. Thanks for having me. It's lovely to
see you. You too.
And you're at this, LA Film School? That's
correct. Yes. This is currently where I work.
Yeah. Yeah. What do you teach there? I've
taught directing classes, working with actors. I've taught
production classes, writing classes. Currently, I teach an
an intro class, which is a lot of
fun because
everything I tell the students about movies is
sparkly and twinkly and, yeah, we're we always
have a good time.
None of the doom and gloom that Right.
Yeah. Yeah. Social media tries to tell us.
Yeah.
Where
were you from? Where is your family from?
I know that's a big part of your
story. So let's get into that.
Yeah. I was born in Rockford, Illinois. So
I grew up in the Midwest. My mother
is
white American woman, but my dad came well,
he was born in Mac in, in the
United States, but his parents came from San
Luis Potosi in Mexico.
And, yeah, so this this is significant for
me because
my grandparents came to the States, they came
came to Chicago. I it's kinda cute. They
met in Chicago,
not in San Luis, and my my grandfather
tells a story that he he went to
Weebles, this department store, to ask for credit,
and he was flirting with the the girl
at the counter, but she said, you need
to meet Lee in the back, and she
brought in my grandmother and that's how they
met.
Like, until I look in the mirror, like,
I think of myself as a a white
boy from the Midwest, you know. You know,
I grew up on a farmhouse and everything.
We weren't farmers, but we lived on a
farmhouse.
And so my my grandparents didn't really
bring Mexican culture to our family. They were
very concerned about being targeted for racism.
So, like, they didn't speak Spanish around my
aunts and uncles or my dad. They didn't
cook a lot of Mexican food. It was
like all their Mexican heritage was kind of
hidden.
But there was one thing that my grandfather
shared with me, and that was some of
these Mexican Moctezuma movies. And that I know
that's what we're gonna talk about, but that's
how I, like, got into this. I was
like,
this was the one Mexican thing my grandparents
shared with me,
and so I've kind of spent a lot
of my life trying to
reconnect with my Mexican roots, and like,
I don't know, even, for a long time
I wasn't even comfortable saying I am Mexican,
because I didn't feel like I didn't speak
Spanish, like, you know, so I've spent a
lot of my life trying to earn the
right to to say that, and I'm hoping
that's what I I've done with this project.
It's interesting.
Identity
is such a huge part of being a
human
that for a kid in the Midwest, especially
Illinois, I mean Right.
Since Midwesty as you can get really Right.
From Illinois is just kind of chill and
there.
And were you
even aware of,
I guess, the subversiveness
of what your grandparents were doing, or just
it wasn't even talked about whatsoever?
Not at all, really. Like,
again, like, besides the movie, like, there are
a couple Mexican dishes. Like, my my vivid
memory of my grandfather is his kitchen. Like,
he was he was a cook. So even
though he tried to hide some of his
Mexican spices,
the one thing he he always had,
his homemade Tabasco sauce, he would keep in
his soup jacket, which, again, it's kind of
this thing, like, we would go out to
a restaurant and he'd, like, look around and
sneak it out like it was this, you
know, some marijuana or something, and maybe it
was. And he sprinkle he would sprinkle it
on his food, and then tuck it back
in his coat pocket so no one could
see it, and then he would eat whatever
we ate at the restaurant, you know, so
he was hiding and and bringing out his
own. So like, it was little things like
that that I just thought were cool, but
I didn't realize that he was doing all
of that because he was afraid of being
singled out or harmed or or anything like
that. But as I grew older and talked
with my father, and I actually did,
thankfully, a few years before my grandfather passed,
I was able to to do an interview
with him, and I was able to kinda
have more of an adult conversation with him
about some of this stuff. So Oh, I
love that you had that opportunity.
Yeah. So important.
Did you have an inkling
of
the desire to have a creative life when
you were a kid? Did that manifest in
in playtime
or in school?
Yeah. So my father is a, color pencil
artist. So art was definitely part of our
life. And my mother taught children, so education
art education was important to her. And movies,
again, like, I had to kind of dive
into Mexican film on my own, but growing
up, movies were a big part of of
my my childhood with with my dad. And
what I loved about it is is he
would watch heavy movies like The Godfather and
2,001.
Some movies that I was probably too young
to watch,
but he would watch them anyway, because he
would he would draw. I just have these
memories of him being very focused drawing, with
his color
sharp color pencils,
and like just wanting to be near him.
So we would watch the movie that he
put on, whatever movie it was. And then
eventually, we would start asking, you know, more
questions about, like, you know, why is Michael
doing that? Or why is, you know, why
this, you know. So I kinda learned some
basics of of film language just by watching
those movies with my dad. But he also
loved, like, really campy movies of, like, the
fifties sixties, like Earth Versus the Flying Saucers,
and
a lot of the Godzilla Mothra movies. So
we also got this wonderful balance of real
campy movies
of the era as well, and and he
loved to
talk during the movies and and make jokes
and stuff like that, so it was always
fun watching movies with my dad.
Do you have siblings?
Yes. I have I have one brother. Yeah.
And he's also he's more into
computer effects and CGI and stuff like that,
but we would both again, we lived on
this farmhouse, so, like, we would spend our
days
walking into the prairie, and and there we
had, like, a a our own little forest,
and so we would play we would play
out scene from movies and stuff like that
and pretend we were
fighting a predator or playing Ghostbusters or, you
know, something like that. So, yeah, we're definitely
a very creative family.
Let's get into,
Mark Zuma.
Tell me about the first time you
saw one of his films, and
you said it was a bonding experience with
your grandfather and with your culture and history.
Sure. Let's get into that a little bit
because I know that that's pretty much the
focus of your life right now.
Right. Yeah. So it it was,
it was on a VHS tape, like, I
remember, and it was
it was a copy. So, like, I don't
remember, like, a poster image or anything. I
just remember
the the image of the, you know, the
old VHS tape box and everything.
And it and it was, again, it was
kinda hidden. It was, like, at the end
of another movie.
I remember we would always squeeze we would
do long plays, so you could squeeze 2
2 hour movies onto a VHS tape, but
that degraded the quality. So there was always,
like, this kind of but for me, that's,
like, part of the the nostalgia.
It was all in Spanish, so my grandfather
would translate some of it for me. And
the movie was the first one I restored
with Moctezuma. It was called Una Mujer Simpresio,
Priceless Woman,
from 1961.
And it's about this scientist who he's working
with AI. He's trying to create, artificial intelligence
in a robot,
and his wife is killed in a car
accident, so he builds a robot copy, of
his wife. And the fun thing about the
movie is that there's a luchador in it,
so
I don't know if we'll get into it,
but, like, luch Lucha Libre is a big
part of Mexican cinema, so this is what
I've learned. Like, there's all these
it's a whole genre of films, and they're
the luchadores of Mexico were kind of like
the Marvel superheroes
for us today, but this was, like, in
the fifties sixties. So El Santo, the Blue
Demon were kind of the most famous, and
there was this other wrestler in this movie
named the Scorpion.
And originally in the film, apparently, the the
Scorpion
the robot malfunctions, so the Scorpion,
has to battle with her and and defeat
her and everything. And the scientist kinda goes
mad because, you know, it's his, you know,
it's his wife, but no, it's a machine,
you know, it's like so
it's such a campy movie, they actually really
dive into some interesting
philosophical ideas of like, what does it mean
to be alive? Like is artificial intelligence deserving
of, you know, being treated like a human
being? But what happened was is the Scorpion
fell in love with the actress who was
playing the the robot.
And Moctezuma was also in love with this
woman. So the scorpion was cut out of
most of the movie because Moctezuma
got jealous. So and I didn't learn any
of this until, you know, much later in
my life when I started doing the research.
So the version I saw was, like, there's
just one scene with a a luchador
discussing,
you know, the ethics of making artificial intelligence,
and that's it. So it's, you know, as
a kid, you're like, why is this guy
standing in a mask with no shirt talking
to these people in suits about
And those are the kind of questions I
would ask my grandfather. He was like, he's
a luchador. And I'm like, okay. Cool.
Well, yeah.
So that was that was the start for
me. That would that movie was kind of
the the start of my research and, like,
figuring out all those stories and stuff like
that. And how many films are known or
attributed to him?
5 as of right now. So the The
Price of the Woman was the second one,
and the last one he did was called
1,000 Paths of Death in 1977.
So first one was
in
1959, and then the last one was 1977.
So
not a lot of films, but, and that
that's
part of, you know, what my documentary is
about is how and why he was only
able to make 5 movies. Because there was
this rivalry between the Scorpion and and Moctezuma.
So as Moctezuma kept trying to make movies,
Scorpion was trying to suppress him. So he
it was an uphill battle his whole life
making movies.
It's a movie within a movie within a
movie? Exactly. Yeah.
What was something surprising
to you
about
Moctezuma as you were working through his body
of work?
I mean, it's he's a controversial
person, like, there
there is
the filmmaker and the artist in me that
really
admires what he's,
accomplished and is kind of
frustrated and sad, like, he didn't get to
make more. And a lot of the the
movies that we have left of his, they've
been butchered, like, there's not a lot of
them left,
again, for various reasons.
But at the same time, like, there are
stories that
he wasn't the nicest guy, you know. I
mean, there's a lot of stories of, like,
the tortured artist and everything. But, you know,
it's it's always a question of, like, well,
what's acceptable? What's what's okay? And because he
really pursued this woman, Lisa, this actor. She
he was she was his childhood sweetheart.
And,
really all the movies he made in his
life were an attempt to
woo her back to him because she she
ended up marrying the Scorpion. And so then
it becomes a question of, it's like, was
it okay? Was it inappropriate of him to
just, like,
continue to pursue her? That's part of the
reason the Scorpion was trying to suppress his
filmmaking because,
you know, he's I mean, he's making movies
for his wife. It's like, dude, like, it's
one thing, you know, if a guy, like,
you know, flirts with your girl, but, like,
he made a whole movie to try to
woo her back. And what we'll see, this
kinda culminated in this this Lucha Libre match,
that had a really serious accident for Lisa.
It's hard to admire Moctezuma knowing that he
kind of,
I don't know. If if he was alive
today, I think he would have been me
too, I guess, is is what I'm trying
to say. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. He
he pushed it too far. The scorpion
married the the man who is the scorpion
married the actress who
performed
in
the movies. Did she too
have a a fate or spend death? Did
she
in other words,
was her life torn between them as well,
or was she loyal to Scorpion, but a
working actress, so she still wanted to have
the work? Right. She was a working actress.
She she did other films
besides the ones with with Moctezuma.
And, yeah, that's where it's interesting too. It's,
like, we we don't know, like, did she
actually did she love you know, it's it's
very much the story from Casablanca, where we
don't know if
if she loved Humphrey Bogart or the other
guy. I would argue she loved him, that's
why she got on the plane. But that's
Right, exactly. Yeah. Well, and that's
so by that logic then, I would say
Lisa loved her husband, the scorpion, because she
stayed with him, she stood by him, and
they
they remained married until their death. And you
can love more than one person Exactly. Yes.
Your whole life. Yeah. Right. And and that's
the other thing that
because
Lisa, Moctezuma did coax her enough to be
in one other movie called Demonoid, which they
filmed kind of up in the mountains. I've
I've been there. It's in this place called
Las Pozas in in the mountains of Huasteca
in in Mexico. It's a beautiful place. It's
actually in the state of San Luis, where
my grandparents were from. And so the stories
I've heard is that when they were making
this movie,
Moctezuma wasn't really focused on the movie. He
was just, like,
happy to be with this woman again, and,
there are rumors that, you know, they they
were hooking up and stuff like that, so,
yeah. Again, I don't hold judgment, I'm it
kinda makes me happy that he got that
connection, but I do think then that's what
kind of started him down this path of,
like, obsessively trying to to make more movies
for her. Yeah. Movie sets are like Vegas.
Right? Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Do we know very much about Moctezuma's
childhood
or how he grew up, his influence?
So he and Lisa came from this town
in the state of Michoacan,
a town called Huenizio,
and I've been there as well. So I
I lived in Mexico for about a year.
After I graduated. I taught at Tecte Monterrey
University there, so I got to do a
lot of research for this, when I was
there. So I went to Anizio, and it's
this
very
cinematic, very beautiful, it's a town that's on
an island in a lake. And they are
known to have, like, the most beautiful,
extravagant Day of the Dead celebration. So I
got to go there for Day of the
Dead and it was
really amazing. You know, the marigolds are everywhere
and everything. And you, as the sun's setting,
you know, you take this boat out to
the island, and then
it's
it's basically a giant hill on this island,
you know. So as you're walking up up
the hill, there's all these little shops and
stuff, and people are selling things. There's little
kids running around with, you know, jack o'-lanterns
asking you for pesos and stuff like that.
So I I imagine, like, this very much
influenced Moctezuma and his his interest in horror
movies and stuff like that. And so from
what I understand, he,
first saw movies. You know, little villages
like that back in the day didn't have
movie theaters, so they would have traveling projectionists
travel the country and come to these little
towns and and set up a projector and
and show some movies.
So the story is is that's how he
got introduced to movies,
and he and Lisa
really enjoyed
Dracula.
The original Dracula. Not the Bela Lugosi one
actually, but the, I don't know if you
know, but when they made the Bela Lugosi
Dracula
on the same sets but with a Spanish
speaking cast, they shot a Spanish language version
of the movie.
And I love it because they apparently, they
shot the Belagosi version during the day, and
then at night, the Spanish speaking crew would
come in and shoot. And I'm like, it's
better already because they had to shoot it
at night, like, so this is better Yeah.
Yeah. So they they fell in love with
Dracula,
and, you know, the story is, you know,
they would cling to each other and stuff
like that, so watching the movie. So I
think that was like the impetus for Moctezuma's
interest in horror movies, his falling in love
with Lisa, like he just,
his whole life he just wanted to
have that again, where they're watching scare. By
your description, I would imagine in his mind
then, every movie was really a love letter
to Lisa.
Absolutely. Yes.
Yeah. Mhmm.
And
what happened to him, and why are these
lost films? Would Scorpion
does he have that much power that he
was able to be
able to silence
Moctezuma?
Or how did what happened there? So a
lot of it was kind of Scorpion executing
his his influence,
never
directly.
There was also during this time, you know,
we're we're talking like late sixties, early seventies
in Mexico,
Machtazuma's movies called the Tlatelolco Massacre of 1968.
So there was this this massacre that happened.
Students were gathering to
protest the government and their oppression and,
I don't know. There's there's a lot going
on, but but basically,
at the time, the the head count was
300, but
officially now we know years later that it
was more like 3,000 people were just
children, teachers, parents were were shot and killed
in in this space. And it
it's Yeah. It's it's a real tragic event.
So so Montezuma made a movie about that,
and what is, I think, especially tragic about
this thing is the the government at the
time, like, didn't want the world to know
that this was happening because they were hosting
the Olympics.
So any kind of talk about this, any
evidence of this
was quickly suppressed. So
when they got word that Moctezuma made this
movie, that, you know, it was a monster
movie
inspired by what happened,
But any, you know, anything remotely close to
it, they just, like, shut down. So that
was the one movie that was the hardest
to restore because they're, you know, they're just
bits and pieces kind of scattered all over
the world, really. The full movie's gone, like,
it's mostly destroyed, so we just kinda had,
like, this short little version of it. So
that was, you know, one thing. And then
he just made a lot of enemies. There's
other stories that, like, he he funded one
of his movies, by laundering money for a
cartel,
But then when he stopped doing that, you
know, then he couldn't that movie got he
was screwed up. There's also stories that, like,
he he would bring movies to the he
tried to make bring a movie to the
States
to to sell here to get, you know,
some kind of international recognition.
But in a lot of times, what happened
is that companies distribution companies would bring in
foreign films, and they would
redub them. They would add scenes. They would
change things to make it more marketable to
American audiences.
So then his movies kinda got, you know,
mauled because of that kinda thing as well.
So there's each movie has its own different
story as to how and why it was
kind of suppressed or destroyed or whatever. They
all do kinda link back to Scorpion in
some way.
It's interesting too because as you mentioned,
the first time you experienced one of his
films with your grandfather,
that it was at the end Right. Of
a copy of a copy.
There's already this idea of
secrecy around it. Mhmm. Sneaking it into behind
other films.
Right. Yeah. Exactly.
Mhmm.
What have you learned about
yourself
through this experience of documenting this
larger than life character?
That's a good question. I mean, again, like,
I I feel like Moctezuma is
kind of a controversial
person,
but I still really
respect and admire,
his work.
When I think about my own work
and and the art that I like to
make, it it is it does take priority,
like, you know, if
in in my life. So it's like if
if I had to make a choice of,
like, am I gonna make this movie? Am
I gonna,
you know, put my money into this? Or,
I don't I don't have a savings at
all because I've been putting, you know, I
don't get to go on vacation very much
because I always put the money, into to
making the movie.
Yeah. Sleip of a creative. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.
So so in some ways, like, I look
at Moctezuma and I'm like,
if if this is exactly what Moctezuma would
have done, so I'm I'm in good company.
Yeah. Yeah. Was it scary to
dig in? It sounds, again, like, maybe some
people don't want him talked about. Was it
scary for you at all to uncover some
of the rocks and look underneath them?
Yeah. Because like I said, for for a
long time, he was my hero. And and
I again, like, I would say he still
is, but then, like, as I started to
uncover some of this stuff, it's like, oh,
but he did do
some some shady things, and I don't know
if I agree with,
you know, the reasoning behind you know, again,
going to back, like, what sacrifices would you
make for your art? Like, he definitely made
some,
you know, in intense sacrifices that I don't
I don't know if I would go that
far the way the way that he did.
Yeah.
Is he appreciated
now in Mexico, or is he still subversive?
And do we know where he's buried or
anything like that? Technically,
we don't
know where he's buried or if he's possibly
even still alive. Yeah. I mean, he would
be I think he was born in the
late thirties, so he'd be pretty old by
now,
so unlikely. I would guess that if he
is he's somewhere in back in Juanizio,
where he came from. So yeah. So even
though
he's kinda controversial,
there are many filmmakers I've spoken to that
have said he's definitely influenced
their work. And many people, like, I've I've
been really trying really hard with this project
to, like, talk to some big names like
John Carpenter or Sam Raimi or Guillermo del
Toro, because I see machtazuma
isms
in their films.
And I've talked to other filmmakers, they're like,
it looks so much like that, you know,
like, for the the best example is in
in Evil Dead, in all the versions of
Evil Dead, there's the the tree roots that
come alive, you know, and grab people and
drag them into the forest.
So that happens in
one of Moctezuma's movies, Demonoid, where these
leaves come out and drag people and they
drag It's also in the Wizard of Oz.
In the woods, that's true, yeah.
So, so yeah, so there's all these, you
know, examples of
things that he's done, like little horror bits
here and there.
Or another one is, an alien.
The first time we see the alien creature
in the tubes, like, it kinda reaches out
at you and grabs
you, and that
is also in Demonoid. Like, there's this moment
where this
demon reaches out and it looks just like
an alien, and it's one of those things
where it's like, you know,
Ridley Scott could've done the same shot and,
you know, it was just a coincidence, but
there's so many coincidences, again, from John Carpenter,
Ridley Scott, Sam Raimi, Guillermo del Toro.
So my hope is that
they'll get wind of this project and allow
me to at least talk to them and
at least maybe in secret tell me if
if they've been influenced by Moctezuma or not.
And the name of the film, Love, Blood
and Aztec Demons, the last films of 1
f,
Moctezuma
the second. My gosh. That is a very
long title. Yes. Yeah.
The Aztec Demons must have been really fun
to research.
Yes.
I mean, it has been something that's interested
me as a filmmaker, like, wanting to make
movies more about
different because, like, a lot of,
horror movies, movies about demons or possession and
stuff like that, they're usually grounded in the
Catholic church. Right? Or at least,
you know, those
Catholicism and stuff like that. So it's like,
I've been really interested in seeking out, like,
you know, horror movies based on an Indian
curse or a Jewish curse.
I'm grateful I just,
met a filmmaker who made this movie called
Satanic Hispanics,
which is all about, you know, Aztec demons
or Mayan demons and and stuff like that.
So
I do, you know, talking about, like, diversification,
like, I feel like it's
we need to see more horror story. We
need to see monster stories from different cultures
instead of being saturated by you know, as
much as I like The Exorcist. Right? You
know, there's there's a lot of other
horror stories out there from different cultures. Yeah.
Sure. The djinn are very scary.
Yes. Exactly.
Yeah. Have you
grounded
more in sense of self in the lineage
of your family tree?
Yes. Absolutely. Like I said, it's
I
I do feel more comfortable and confident
introducing myself as a Mexican now, so
I think that was, you know, kinda the
goal. I'm still practicing my Spanish, I think
that will will help a lot too. But
having all the the knowledge of
the Aztec lore and, you know, having lived
in Mexico and and knowing the the places
there,
you know, specifically to, like, Moctezuma,
yes. I I think I feel more connected
to my roots and and to my grandparents
as well. Yeah. Did you try and track
down Scorpion or Lisa?
Yeah. So
they passed away in the eighties, but, we
were able to interview for our project the
son of the Scorpion who is also a
Lucha Libre wrestler. So
And it's interesting, you know, talking about, like,
different perspectives. It was interesting to get his
perspective because a lot of people I interviewed
were fans of Moctezuma, but
Scorpion's son is not. You know, he has
some
unhappy memories about Moctezuma.
So
Well, yeah. There's a lot of family dynamic
going on there. Exactly.
Yeah. And I don't know if anyone listening
is aware of some of the brilliant
soap operas from
that region, but they could get pretty convoluted.
Yes. Well and that's what Lisa did end
up becoming a telenovela
producer.
So you might have seen some of her
stuff, for sure. Yeah. What's the plan to
get this movie out and get people excited
and interested in this?
So we're doing,
a screen so at the Los Angeles Film
School where I teach, I've been and when
I've completed restoring the Moctezuma films, they're
they're all short versions.
So I've been entering those into film festival
to try to get them, around the world.
So the screening that we're having is
kind of lining up all of the Moctezuma
movies chronologically,
and kinda putting it all in one piece.
And that
should be available on a streaming service soon.
We did get a distributor for that, so
I'm very excited. And as soon as I
know where, I will let you know. But
then the next big step for me is
making this documentary, like, putting the whole documentary
together where we will, you know, talk to
the Scorpion Sun, talk to a Moctezuma cinematographer,
some of his producers, some of the actors
that have worked with him
to try to give you a full picture
of of who he is.
I watched the trailer, which I don't generally
do because I don't like going into movies
with any knowledge of the movie I'm about
to see. I love going in blind. But
since we were going to be talking today,
I figured if it was a good idea
to watch it.
But I'm very much looking forward to seeing
the film and moderating the the panel. Thank
you. And it's a
heck of an undertaking.
Certainly,
to 5 films,
that's a wild ride considering how much it
takes just to put one movie together. I
know the time it takes to put together
a documentary, which is
just for
just a reference for people listening. It could
be a a 1000 hours. I mean, it's
there's so much to then edit down and
navigate to tell a story within a story.
So hats off for that as well. Thank
you. Yeah. Yeah. Tell people how they can
find you and and information about the film.
Sure. So the the website for Moctezuma,
is where is Juan movie dot com.
Where is Juan movie? And Juan is spelled,
j u a n. Correct. Yeah.
My personal work, it's,
bluebasoon.net.
I I miss the dotcom. So, yeah, bluebas00n.net.
Do you play the bassoon?
I do not. The the story behind that
is the the first movie I ever made
was based on a dream I had, and
in the dream, there was a blue bassoon.
So I just thought it sounded good. I
love it. That's great. How many films have
you made?
I've I've mostly made shorts throughout my career
so far. So this this anthology and the
documentary will be my my first features,
and I'm hoping that will lead to the
next thing I wanna make, which is gonna
be kind of re ready to make a
departure from Moctezuma. So the next thing I'm
gonna do is it's still horror. It's Bambi
taking revenge on the hunters who killed his
mother. So it's gonna be a horror comedy
is my goal.
Animated?
No. I'm gonna do the
the the animals with puppets.
Oh, fabulous. Yes. So think like gremlins or,
I always think of the the rabbit from
Monty Python and the Holy Grail that Yeah.
Jumps yeah. That kind of thing. It's got
fangs. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. For some reason,
cute things doing violent things are makes me
laugh.
Yeah. Absolutely.
Yeah. I love it. Well, thank you so
much for being on the show. I'm excited
to Thank you. See what happens next and
where it will all go. And,
I will
keep my listeners updated as you have updates
for me. Yeah. Thank you so much. Appreciate
you listening. Thank you for listening, everybody.
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