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Hey, humans. How's it going? Susan Ruth here.

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Thanks for listening to another episode

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of Hey Human podcast.

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This is episode 419,

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and my guest is Pete Best.

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Pete is the original Beatles drummer. He's a

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copropieter

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of the Kasbah Coffee Club Suites in the

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historic and

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holy grail home of where the Beatles really

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began.

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Pete's mom, Mona, purchased the home

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when Pete was young, and,

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the rest, as they say, is history.

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Pete's also, the cofounder of the Liverpool Beatles

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Museum,

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and in 1988, he founded the Pete Best

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Band that is touring today. He's a songwriter,

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promoter, manager, and author. We talked about his

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beloved mother, Mona, his childhood

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in the bombed out Liverpool post World War

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2, his time with the Beatles, his time

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after the Beatles,

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and

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what he has done with a life well

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lived.

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Really interesting, sweet guy. I love chatting with

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him. Just just a lovely, lovely human being,

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So I'm excited for you to hear this.

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General Stuff Hey Human Podcast is now on

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Be well. Be kind.

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Here we go.

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Pete Best, welcome to Hey Human.

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Pleasure being here, Susan. Pleasure being here. So

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lovely to see you. And you as well.

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Yeah.

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I start every episode the same way. I

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ask people to talk about

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where they're from and what their childhood was

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like, what shaped them as a person. Let's

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start there. Well, for those of you who

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don't know, I was born in India from

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a English family,

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military family, which had been stationed out in

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India since the time of the war.

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Born

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1941, 24th November.

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Civil War baby. Born in Madras, which I

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now believe is Chena

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in India,

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and came to, Liverpool

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1945,

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because my father was from Liverpool,

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from the famous boxing family.

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The best.

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Been in Liverpool ever since 1945.

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Spent my childhood in Liverpool, education in Liverpool,

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went to high school in Liverpool, played rugby

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in Liverpool, sport, the usual stuff. I suppose

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what shaped my life was is that, my

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mother owned a club called the Casbah,

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which was

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in the cellars of this wonderful Victorian mansion,

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which she she bought. And there's a quaint

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little story about that Susan. She bought it

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she always wanted we moved around Liverpool. With

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the for those of you who don't know,

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Liverpool, Liverpool was blitzed very badly during the

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war.

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when we came,

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there was a lot of war damage, a

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lot of blitz in,

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you know, deprivation and, you know, destitution.

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Housing in Liverpool at that time was very

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scarce. You know?

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So for a period in Liverpool, we moved

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around Liverpool. We started off in town center

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and a flat above a pub in Casey

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Street, which is still there today. The pub's

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still there.

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We're still going to have a pint now

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and again. And then we moved from there

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because the flat was haunted. We found out

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the flat was haunted. Haunted by whom?

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Do you know? The previous owner. Yeah. It

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had been an old man

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saw the landlady said Ma Richardson. Okay. She

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basically said now and

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of the circumstances he died and the fact

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that he did allegedly, he's he wasn't found

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for a couple of days.

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couple of days, the story goes that he's

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a restless spirit which haunts

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the previous property. That was the restless spirit

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that we encountered.

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for them all, basically saying now, and I

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said, I'm not

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stick that one. I'm not staying here with

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the restless spirit. So

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we moved on and we moved to a

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1000 of states on the outskirts of Liverpool.

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in,

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rural Liverpool, which is West Harvey West Harvey

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Village.

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And my brother was coming home from school

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one day.

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We passed the testitute building at Hammonds Green.

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once told my mother, Mowg, and said and

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said it's a fantastic house which is up

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for sale.

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And she went and looked at it, and

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she fell in love with it. Even though

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in those days,

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I nicknamed it Dracula's castle. Okay? It was

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that run down and overgrown and everything.

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Which she transformed it into this incredible shangula.

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But what happened was the funny thing was

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she went so much further that

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John was my stepfather, John.

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On Saturday night, I said, seeing this wonderful

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house,

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Would you be interested in buying it? You

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know, let's move. Let's upgrade property.

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And he went, no. It's a big boy's

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elephant. He said, I'm not interested in doing

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it. She didn't tell anyone.

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Typical of a moaner.

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And she went and pawned all the jewelry,

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nice and bettered on a horse

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called never say die,

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which was running in the 1954

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Derby. Okay?

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Which is a big race over here in

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England.

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it was being ridden by it was an

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American horse being ridden by a novice jockey

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called Lester Piggott who went on to become

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world champion jockey.

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And it was a rank outsider, and the

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price was 33 to 1. Okay?

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Now she pawned all of you. He bettered

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on this horse. Horse was called never say

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die.

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So we had a situation.

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We're sitting there watching the Derby run, and

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most normally a cool, calm, classic person, you

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know, very patient and, you know, low key.

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Yeah. And just for clarification, Mo, is Mona

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your mother?

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That's correct. For people that don't know. Yeah.

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Yeah. We effectively call her Mo. You know,

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full name's Mona. And,

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well, motive, you know, the multitude of people

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that see, maybe you only have to mention

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more. It's like, yeah, we know Mona. We

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know Mona.

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So we're sitting there watching the Derby shoes,

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and then we could tell the most

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very intense

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and then see dice coming up on the

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rails, coming up on the rails, and we

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see it going in front and going in

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front and going in front.

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And I won. Okay. And

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Mo, mother, Mo, Mona, whatever we're gonna call

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her.

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She went from this cool calm, placid person

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watching the Derby with great intent

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to the screaming banshee running around the kitchen

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going.

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I've won my doubts. I've won my house.

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And with the the money from

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that, she bought Haman's green.

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And she became the first woman in England

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to acquire a mortgage.

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That's a huge deal.

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Wow. That was something that she was unheard

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of in those days.

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But she did

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it. And

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then, we actually moved in, around about

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1956, 57 into the property.

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And ever since then, people will know that

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the family motto is never say die. Okay?

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It stayed with us,

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and it'll stay with us for future generations.

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Okay? It's inbound because of Moe.

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We had sellers underneath the house,

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and Mo was sitting there watching a program

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one day. I was about the 2 Ice

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Coffee Club in London,

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which all the English rock and rollers, little

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Richard. Sorry, Cliff Richards.

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We will leave also,

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the shadows, people like that, Tony Sheridan.

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And I was sitting there, and she went,

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people got shovels underneath the house, haven't we?

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And I turned around and said, yes.

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And she went,

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what do you think about the idea of

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sending it into a coffee club? So I'd

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say now it sounds fantastic.

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So she went, yeah. I think we'll do

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that. So I said, who's gonna do it

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more?

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So she said, you are. Okay. So

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that was the challenge.

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And for the next 6 months, Susan,

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we had,

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the back garden. For those of you who

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don't know Haynes Green,

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it's an old Victorian mansion,

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18/60,

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stands in an acre of ground at full

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cake,

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detached property.

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And for the next 6 months, the back

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garden was like a building site.

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There was concrete tip is drawn at timber

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tip is gone in there, cement,

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sand, timber, cable, you name it. It was

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a building site, but eventually we got it

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completed.

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So the next thing

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was Moe needed a bank to open the

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clock. She was gonna call it the Casper,

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eastern influence again,

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And she had this image of

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the Casbah being a a place where the

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the kids of Liverpool

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could listen to music. Okay?

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So the war cry became,

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come to the Casbah, which allegedly is the

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famous Charles

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expression he

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used, whether it was Charles Boyer said or

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not, it was a material

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because basically what happened was

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every kid who came to the Casper

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come to the Casper. That was the walkway

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that was out there. The brand which should

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have opened

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up.

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It was the last year of courts that

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And 2 of the members of that band

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came down and saw my mother moaner one

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day and said, man, it said, couple of

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weeks before opening day, actually. Okay.

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Because the opening night was 29th August 1959.

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And they basically said now and said, no.

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We got bad news for you. Well, your

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band is broken up.

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I'm always happy to be destroyed. She turned

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down and said, my god. What's gonna happen?

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I need a band. We're opening in fortnight.

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So George basically turned around and went, I

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am to know a couple of guys who

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aren't doing anything more.

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And it's gonna be a residency, and I'll

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I'll go and have a word with them.

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And off he went.

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He came down the next day. They turned

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out to be John Lennon and Paul McCartney.

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Right. And that was George Harrison.

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That was George Harrison. Yeah. Yeah.

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They came down and show my mother, Mo

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Moe put the deal to them. She was

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gonna pay them £3.

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A nice okay.

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No drummer. Okay. There was John, George, Paul,

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and Ken Brown. Right?

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And it was a residency. It was like

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gold.

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So they realized that there was a bit

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of painting to be done. The club still

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wanted to be decorated.

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And for I'm certain lots of your listeners

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may have actually already been to the Casbah

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so they know what we're talking about. But

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for those of you who haven't, I'll explain

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that the Casbah still stands in its totality.

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Right?

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And

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because of their involvement,

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John Lennon painted the aspect ceiling, which is

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still in the Casbah today. Okay?

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McCartney painted the rainbow ceiling, which is still

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in the Casbah today.

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George painted the salmon ceiling, still the same

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in the Caswell today.

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I painted the spider's web in the panting

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room, still in the Caswell today.

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Mueller commissioned Cynthia Lennon to paint John Lennon

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over the fireplace

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in the the coffee bar area.

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That's still there today.

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And all the stars, which

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basically it's

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it's the the holy grail of the beetle

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trail. It's like stepping back in time. Okay.

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It's like going back in time to a

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1959,

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60 coffee club with music.

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But the incredible thing was the stars, which

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everyone painted John George Paul simply and she's

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up with Ken Brown, me, it goes on

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and on and on and on.

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We got them valued about 10 years ago.

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We're gonna,

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like, 10 years of working each star, which

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is on the ceiling,

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the coffee bar area,

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Sotheby's valued it at 2,500

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pound a star. Right?

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Now there's something like about close to 200

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stars on the ceiling.

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So it's pretty valuable that ceiling up there

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along with all the other attributes.

365
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But the great thing about it is,

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you know,

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the club stands in its total originality.

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What we've done today, just to bring you

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listeners backwards and run a speed with the

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project that we're involved in, right,

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We've converted this wonderful Victorian mansion into what

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we call the Casbah Coffee Club Suites.

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And, the striped suites,

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the level suite, the McCartney suites, Harrison suites,

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Sutcliffe suites, and of course, the best suites.

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Right?

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Well, it's unique,

378
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Susan, and as much as that, it's where

379
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The Beatles played.

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It's where The Beatles slept. It's where the

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Beatles passed. It it was their home away

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from home.

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We've gone Airbnb with it. We opened

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officially August,

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which was a couple of days ago,

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eligible to be booked through Airbnb.

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So people go on Facebook, private group websites,

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book yourselves in,

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come in and know a unique experience. You

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know? The building stayed in the family

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and became

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it's now protected. It's a heritage home. Right?

393
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It is. Yeah. Yeah.

394
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We have got

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we're a great tool to build in the

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heritage status. Yes.

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That's fabulous.

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I wanna go back to your childhood,

399
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and

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I'm curious,

401
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when you move to some place

402
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that has seen

403
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the worst of things when it is

404
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so demolished,

405
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as a little kid,

406
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are you looking around thinking,

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this means I can build it from the

408
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ground up myself, or was there a sense

409
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of, oh, it's it's wrecked, and I don't

410
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know what to do here. Did it inspire

411
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the kids

412
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your age?

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I think I was inspired

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simply because of the fact of

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I suppose London in Liverpool, Christmas Eve 1945,

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cold, dark, witchy morning,

417
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seeing the deprivation which he'd gone on, but

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seeing that even at a young gaze and

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I don't think he realized that at that

420
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time, because there's only about 4, maybe 5.

421
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But as I grew older in Liverpool, I

422
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suddenly realized that, you know, the people of

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Liverpool have got this incredible spirit,

424
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which is

425
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pure optimism,

426
00:16:12,664 --> 00:16:14,044
you know, to never defeat

427
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it. And I've come from a strong family

428
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where that's the essence of your backbone, you

429
00:16:19,784 --> 00:16:20,524
know, so

430
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it fitted well that the people of Liverpool,

431
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you know, had strong backbones. My family had

432
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got a strong backbone as well, you know,

433
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so it seemed to me as, you know,

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it was like,

435
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fine, this is the place for

436
00:16:32,914 --> 00:16:34,534
us. But as Liverpool emerged,

437
00:16:35,154 --> 00:16:36,615
and I was Liverpool transpired.

438
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I think I grew with Liverpool as well.

439
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You know, we saw the changes happen.

440
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It was inspiration to see the changes happening.

441
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It was nice to be part of it.

442
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And, you know, consequently, it's the results

443
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after, you know, the musical business, which has

444
00:16:53,535 --> 00:16:55,455
been there long before I ever started the

445
00:16:55,455 --> 00:16:57,700
boards. Right? You know, there's a musical heritage

446
00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,720
which went on long before I ever came,

447
00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,059
before the Beatles ever came alive,

448
00:17:04,105 --> 00:17:06,924
which was going back to jazz band, you

449
00:17:07,025 --> 00:17:08,125
know, Trinidad,

450
00:17:10,184 --> 00:17:12,179
steel drum bands, all that kind of stuff

451
00:17:12,179 --> 00:17:14,019
jazz bands, you name it and emanate it

452
00:17:14,019 --> 00:17:15,399
out of Liverpool. We had it.

453
00:17:16,339 --> 00:17:17,000
Oh, yeah.

454
00:17:17,460 --> 00:17:20,119
Very inspirational. And, you know, it's still

455
00:17:20,894 --> 00:17:23,154
very inspirational even today because

456
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Liverpool from 1945

457
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to Liverpool

458
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1920, 24

459
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It's so different,

460
00:17:30,929 --> 00:17:33,490
and it's actually been incredible to be part

461
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of that particular journey

462
00:17:35,569 --> 00:17:36,710
and see the changes,

463
00:17:38,015 --> 00:17:40,495
and see how Liverpool is vibrant now, and

464
00:17:40,495 --> 00:17:43,615
the Casbah Casbah Coffee Troupe Suites is part

465
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of that.

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Your mom

467
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being inspired

468
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like that,

469
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she was certainly ahead of her time, it

470
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sounds like. And the fact that she saw

471
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a need for kids, which

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historically

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are ignored,

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the fact that she saw that there was

475
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something to do so that kids felt safe

476
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and welcome

477
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is humongous.

478
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Yeah. It is well, just

479
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if you knew Mona, she's a humongous character.

480
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Okay.

481
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They broke the mold.

482
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Okay. No wonder my she disappeared. Right? But

483
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she's still up there looking afterwards. So God

484
00:18:20,750 --> 00:18:21,569
bless you, mom.

485
00:18:21,869 --> 00:18:24,269
Yeah. She had a humongous character that, you

486
00:18:24,269 --> 00:18:25,169
know, she had,

487
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she had a mission. She wasn't satisfied with

488
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you still in a coffee club, calling it

489
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the Casper.

490
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She had a dream. She wanted to see

491
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kids. She wanted to be music to the

492
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kids of Liverpool.

493
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And that's what she

494
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did. Because through a preservation and determination

495
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and all the resources of what a Brazilian

496
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woman,

497
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the foresight of the dreams.

498
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She did that.

499
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And the Casbah

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coffee club became the catalyst for the Mercy

501
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Pizza.

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And,

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you know, Rogen, I have so aptly turned

504
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on, said the media at that time many,

505
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many years ago named her the mother of

506
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Mercy beach. And that couldn't have

507
00:19:03,884 --> 00:19:06,285
been given to a more odd person. You

508
00:19:06,285 --> 00:19:10,099
know? Yeah. Well, yeah, humongous character. Yeah. Before

509
00:19:10,099 --> 00:19:12,740
you started playing drums, I know that she

510
00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:14,660
I read that she got you a drum

511
00:19:14,660 --> 00:19:16,500
kit. But before you picked up the drums,

512
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had you an aptitude for music? Were you

513
00:19:18,420 --> 00:19:19,515
interested in that?

514
00:19:20,795 --> 00:19:22,174
Like most kids in Liverpool,

515
00:19:22,795 --> 00:19:24,875
when the skits and crew came along, you

516
00:19:24,875 --> 00:19:27,755
know, skiffle craze and Elvis Presley, I ran

517
00:19:27,755 --> 00:19:29,214
out and bought a cheap guitar

518
00:19:29,819 --> 00:19:31,900
and stood in front of the mirror and

519
00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:33,359
shook me hips and denim.

520
00:19:34,700 --> 00:19:36,079
You know, that kind of stuff.

521
00:19:36,779 --> 00:19:39,119
But it wasn't it wasn't meant to be.

522
00:19:39,234 --> 00:19:41,234
It didn't seem quite right for me anyway.

523
00:19:41,234 --> 00:19:42,835
I was more up to, you know, banging

524
00:19:42,835 --> 00:19:45,015
my fingers on the table, pots and pans.

525
00:19:45,715 --> 00:19:48,035
So when the opportunity came along to actually

526
00:19:48,035 --> 00:19:49,619
start the man, the black jacks, which is

527
00:19:49,619 --> 00:19:50,599
what I did,

528
00:19:51,140 --> 00:19:52,980
it seemed appropriate that I would end up

529
00:19:52,980 --> 00:19:53,799
being the drummer.

530
00:19:55,380 --> 00:19:56,119
Yeah. Seemological,

531
00:19:56,420 --> 00:19:58,339
you know, so, that's how I ended up

532
00:19:58,339 --> 00:19:59,079
being a drummer.

533
00:19:59,605 --> 00:20:01,144
What did you like about it?

534
00:20:02,565 --> 00:20:05,204
I don't know that. I suppose the fact

535
00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:07,204
that I'm sitting at the back and pounding

536
00:20:07,204 --> 00:20:08,105
out of rhythm,

537
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:09,380
energy, energetic.

538
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,720
I can be as loud and as savage

539
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,000
as I wanna be, or it can be

540
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,519
as quiet and as mellow as I wanna

541
00:20:17,519 --> 00:20:17,775
be.

542
00:20:19,134 --> 00:20:20,494
It's funny. I was talking to a friend

543
00:20:20,494 --> 00:20:21,555
of mine this morning,

544
00:20:22,015 --> 00:20:24,974
and, we were talking about different band members

545
00:20:24,974 --> 00:20:26,115
and what they represent

546
00:20:26,414 --> 00:20:27,315
in the band.

547
00:20:27,700 --> 00:20:29,700
I grew up doing music as well and

548
00:20:29,700 --> 00:20:30,519
having bands.

549
00:20:31,140 --> 00:20:33,539
And for me, I was always drawn to

550
00:20:33,539 --> 00:20:35,779
the drummer, and he said, why is that?

551
00:20:35,779 --> 00:20:37,605
And I said, you get the sense of

552
00:20:37,605 --> 00:20:38,884
the drummer that he can do a lot

553
00:20:38,884 --> 00:20:40,164
of things at once, if you know what

554
00:20:40,164 --> 00:20:40,825
I mean.

555
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,600
That leaves a lot to the imagination soon.

556
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,220
That leaves a lot.

557
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,924
Yeah. We are we are multi talented. Yeah.

558
00:20:51,924 --> 00:20:53,444
We are, as you know, most probably know,

559
00:20:53,444 --> 00:20:55,144
drummers are multi talented. Yeah.

560
00:20:56,085 --> 00:20:59,119
Tell me about your friendships that were developing

561
00:20:59,419 --> 00:21:01,179
at that time. So you were friends with

562
00:21:01,179 --> 00:21:01,659
Harrison

563
00:21:02,220 --> 00:21:04,460
George Harrison. You were you were friends with

564
00:21:04,460 --> 00:21:06,140
John and Paul too, or is that when

565
00:21:06,140 --> 00:21:08,505
they came to play that you met them?

566
00:21:08,505 --> 00:21:10,044
And were you already buddies?

567
00:21:11,065 --> 00:21:11,565
No.

568
00:21:12,025 --> 00:21:14,505
Prior to I've seen George playing at a

569
00:21:14,505 --> 00:21:15,484
club called Laurens,

570
00:21:15,970 --> 00:21:18,549
where the last year court had emanated from.

571
00:21:19,169 --> 00:21:20,769
A bit of course, they broke up. And

572
00:21:20,769 --> 00:21:21,269
then

573
00:21:21,730 --> 00:21:23,970
when they actually started playing at the Casper

574
00:21:23,970 --> 00:21:26,514
in 19 59, it's the quality men because

575
00:21:27,294 --> 00:21:28,974
Moe asked John, what name are you going

576
00:21:28,974 --> 00:21:30,014
to be called? And he said, well, we

577
00:21:30,014 --> 00:21:31,454
used to be called the quality men. So

578
00:21:31,454 --> 00:21:33,375
he said, oh, that's fine. We told you

579
00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:34,355
the quality men.

580
00:21:35,369 --> 00:21:37,210
So they were builders to quality man. No

581
00:21:37,210 --> 00:21:37,710
drummer.

582
00:21:39,450 --> 00:21:41,049
But that's how I got to know them,

583
00:21:41,049 --> 00:21:42,029
you know, because,

584
00:21:42,674 --> 00:21:44,355
you know, they help decorate the club.

585
00:21:44,914 --> 00:21:47,815
Wasn't school friends with them. You know, my

586
00:21:48,674 --> 00:21:50,994
side of school was different to theirs. You

587
00:21:50,994 --> 00:21:52,529
know, even though they were high school, I

588
00:21:52,529 --> 00:21:54,150
was in a different part of Liverpool.

589
00:21:55,009 --> 00:21:57,329
Rival rival schools, if you wanna be quite

590
00:21:57,329 --> 00:21:58,390
honest about it.

591
00:21:58,930 --> 00:22:00,710
There was very much a case of

592
00:22:01,734 --> 00:22:02,394
the friendship

593
00:22:02,774 --> 00:22:04,394
developed through the Casper,

594
00:22:05,014 --> 00:22:06,234
you know, because it

595
00:22:06,615 --> 00:22:08,075
it didn't just become

596
00:22:08,375 --> 00:22:10,214
like a for lots of kids in Liverpool.

597
00:22:10,214 --> 00:22:10,750
I better

598
00:22:12,750 --> 00:22:14,109
explain this. You gotta sort of try and

599
00:22:14,109 --> 00:22:16,670
paint the the atmosphere of the Casbah. Okay?

600
00:22:16,670 --> 00:22:18,509
It was a meeting place as well for

601
00:22:18,509 --> 00:22:20,450
young kids. It was a social occasion

602
00:22:21,555 --> 00:22:24,595
where all this wonderful stuff was going on,

603
00:22:24,595 --> 00:22:25,494
music and

604
00:22:26,195 --> 00:22:27,335
friendship and,

605
00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:30,569
You know, romance, you could find her on

606
00:22:30,569 --> 00:22:31,230
the Casbah,

607
00:22:31,769 --> 00:22:33,470
and it was very much a case of

608
00:22:35,214 --> 00:22:38,095
they enjoyed that atmosphere. They enjoyed the being

609
00:22:38,095 --> 00:22:39,634
positive, that particular embryo.

610
00:22:40,414 --> 00:22:40,914
So

611
00:22:42,015 --> 00:22:44,355
my friendship with the mercy through the Casper,

612
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,319
And then they dissipate,

613
00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:51,200
they had arguments over money and couldn't play

614
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,659
the Casper for a while.

615
00:22:53,234 --> 00:22:55,154
But cut a long story short because of

616
00:22:55,154 --> 00:22:57,075
my involvement and the fact that I'd started

617
00:22:57,075 --> 00:22:59,174
a band, and I was playing drums.

618
00:23:00,115 --> 00:23:01,474
You needed a drum as I go to

619
00:23:01,474 --> 00:23:03,279
Germany, and I got the phone calls from

620
00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:03,779
Paul,

621
00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:06,720
which said now and said, you know, we

622
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,579
know you're playing drums. Would you be interested

623
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,740
in coming? We are now called The Beatles.

624
00:23:11,025 --> 00:23:12,545
Even though when I joined them, we were

625
00:23:12,545 --> 00:23:15,125
the Silver Beatles. Okay. For one night,

626
00:23:15,424 --> 00:23:16,724
one particular night.

627
00:23:17,904 --> 00:23:19,585
And then it was decided on our way

628
00:23:19,585 --> 00:23:20,404
out to Hamburg.

629
00:23:21,250 --> 00:23:23,169
We're gonna drop the silver, and we were

630
00:23:23,169 --> 00:23:23,829
the Beatles.

631
00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:26,549
Okay? And I've stayed with us ever since.

632
00:23:27,410 --> 00:23:28,150
But, yeah,

633
00:23:28,634 --> 00:23:29,535
Through that friendship,

634
00:23:30,475 --> 00:23:32,795
which nurtured in the cast, I became the

635
00:23:32,795 --> 00:23:35,035
Beatles' room. Yeah. I knew them for 3

636
00:23:35,035 --> 00:23:37,055
years because of it's an autumn in 59.

637
00:23:37,195 --> 00:23:38,414
Joined them in 60,

638
00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:40,080
August 1960,

639
00:23:40,539 --> 00:23:42,400
and basically 2 years to the day.

640
00:23:42,859 --> 00:23:44,619
So I knew them for 3, played with

641
00:23:44,619 --> 00:23:45,555
him for 2 years.

642
00:23:46,035 --> 00:23:47,795
My joining them was the the first time

643
00:23:47,795 --> 00:23:49,494
I joined, which was August 1960.

644
00:23:49,795 --> 00:23:51,715
So my period with them was from August

645
00:23:51,715 --> 00:23:53,095
60 to August 62.

646
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,220
And Germany was really the start of the

647
00:23:56,679 --> 00:23:57,740
big climb.

648
00:23:58,839 --> 00:24:00,139
Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

649
00:24:01,044 --> 00:24:03,684
with all Hamburg, I think you could put

650
00:24:03,684 --> 00:24:05,204
my hands on my heart and even after

651
00:24:05,204 --> 00:24:07,065
you did survive in beetles.

652
00:24:07,605 --> 00:24:09,384
You know, that haven't been for Germany.

653
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:11,130
Hamburg, you know,

654
00:24:11,509 --> 00:24:12,650
it may never happened.

655
00:24:13,349 --> 00:24:15,430
Because consequently, what happens is in the long

656
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:16,869
hours that we were playing because we didn't

657
00:24:16,869 --> 00:24:18,890
know that when we were going out, we

658
00:24:20,514 --> 00:24:22,674
know you rock and roll musicians who read

659
00:24:22,674 --> 00:24:24,375
rock and roll musicians from Liverpool.

660
00:24:24,914 --> 00:24:26,194
When we got out there, we thought we

661
00:24:26,194 --> 00:24:28,134
were gonna be playing in the Kaiser ghetto.

662
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,200
That was the first dream shattering blow. It

663
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,880
was like you're not playing the Kaiser Kelly,

664
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:33,859
you're playing the Indra,

665
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,240
which was a grotty little crow, but the

666
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,859
end of the grocery fry heart.

667
00:24:38,704 --> 00:24:40,144
And when we went down there, there was

668
00:24:40,144 --> 00:24:42,305
a couple of people arguing over beer prices

669
00:24:42,305 --> 00:24:42,805
in

670
00:24:43,424 --> 00:24:45,664
there. And Bruno Farshke, who was the manager

671
00:24:45,664 --> 00:24:47,045
who took us out to Germany,

672
00:24:47,549 --> 00:24:49,069
or the promotion that took us out to

673
00:24:49,069 --> 00:24:51,269
Germany. So he'd say, man, instead of wanting

674
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:52,750
you to make the sense of another ties

675
00:24:52,750 --> 00:24:53,970
of Keller. Right?

676
00:24:54,349 --> 00:24:55,490
So he said, okay,

677
00:24:56,005 --> 00:24:57,924
We're rock and rollers with from Liverpool. We

678
00:24:57,924 --> 00:24:58,664
can do it.

679
00:24:59,765 --> 00:25:01,045
He said, now I said, how long are

680
00:25:01,045 --> 00:25:03,125
we playing? And he said, oh, he said

681
00:25:03,125 --> 00:25:05,065
Monday to Friday, you will play

682
00:25:06,029 --> 00:25:07,990
6, 7 hours a night,

683
00:25:08,430 --> 00:25:10,210
15 minutes off on the hour.

684
00:25:11,470 --> 00:25:11,970
Okay.

685
00:25:12,910 --> 00:25:13,890
6 hours?

686
00:25:14,755 --> 00:25:15,974
At night. Okay.

687
00:25:16,355 --> 00:25:18,214
Monday to Friday. Right?

688
00:25:18,755 --> 00:25:20,674
Saturday, we had to play 6 o'clock to

689
00:25:20,674 --> 00:25:21,974
6 o'clock in the morning.

690
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,059
And someday we had to play

691
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,180
6 o'clock to 3 o'clock in the morning.

692
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:29,380
Right? So

693
00:25:31,174 --> 00:25:33,015
you take all those hours that we had

694
00:25:33,015 --> 00:25:33,674
to perform.

695
00:25:34,615 --> 00:25:36,315
We went from being this mediocre,

696
00:25:37,095 --> 00:25:38,554
little rock and roll band

697
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,420
to be in this pulsating

698
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:41,380
savage

699
00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:45,140
air blast and great rock and roll band

700
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:48,500
which conquered Germany okay conquered Hamburg

701
00:25:49,105 --> 00:25:50,545
and of course when we came back to

702
00:25:50,545 --> 00:25:52,464
Liverpool we just pinned the kids ears back

703
00:25:52,464 --> 00:25:53,924
in Liverpool that was

704
00:25:54,625 --> 00:25:57,605
we played the Casper on 19th December 1960,

705
00:25:58,410 --> 00:26:00,430
That was our 1st gig in Liverpool.

706
00:26:01,450 --> 00:26:03,150
That was the start of people, mania,

707
00:26:04,330 --> 00:26:06,650
and it started on the Casper. Before the

708
00:26:06,650 --> 00:26:07,390
game was,

709
00:26:08,315 --> 00:26:09,455
silly, a funny story.

710
00:26:10,315 --> 00:26:12,634
Motor builders is the fabulous people starting up

711
00:26:12,634 --> 00:26:13,295
in Hamburg.

712
00:26:14,475 --> 00:26:16,575
So the place was absolutely healing.

713
00:26:17,769 --> 00:26:18,269
And,

714
00:26:19,289 --> 00:26:21,210
George, George, and Paul were the first to

715
00:26:21,210 --> 00:26:21,950
go down.

716
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:25,049
And, the kids looked in and went on

717
00:26:25,049 --> 00:26:26,890
a minute. That's John, George, and Paul used

718
00:26:26,890 --> 00:26:28,014
to be in the quarry

719
00:26:28,315 --> 00:26:28,815
man.

720
00:26:29,115 --> 00:26:31,214
Who are these Beatles from Hamburg?

721
00:26:32,554 --> 00:26:35,329
So lo and behold, right, Chelsea standing in

722
00:26:35,329 --> 00:26:37,009
for Stu. So if he was stayed in

723
00:26:37,009 --> 00:26:39,329
Germany, cause he torn in love with Australia,

724
00:26:39,329 --> 00:26:41,429
he followed out a couple of weeks later.

725
00:26:43,054 --> 00:26:44,815
Chosen myself because she hasn't been in the

726
00:26:44,815 --> 00:26:45,954
black church with me.

727
00:26:46,974 --> 00:26:49,234
We're walking down the stairs into the Casbah.

728
00:26:50,015 --> 00:26:51,234
And the kids go.

729
00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:54,660
That's chosen. Peter used to be in the

730
00:26:54,660 --> 00:26:55,480
black church.

731
00:26:55,859 --> 00:26:58,180
Who's the hell are these people? So they

732
00:26:58,180 --> 00:26:59,700
all left it to the back door where

733
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:00,599
Mona was.

734
00:27:00,954 --> 00:27:02,494
And they basically turn as

735
00:27:03,194 --> 00:27:03,774
a owner

736
00:27:04,154 --> 00:27:05,134
who were the Beatles,

737
00:27:05,674 --> 00:27:06,494
and she went,

738
00:27:07,034 --> 00:27:09,355
give them a chance. I read wonderful things

739
00:27:09,355 --> 00:27:11,759
about them. Right? I've had wonderful things. They've

740
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:12,500
just conquered

741
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:14,180
Hamburg. Right?

742
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:15,059
And

743
00:27:17,255 --> 00:27:19,174
should give me some big deal piled back

744
00:27:19,174 --> 00:27:20,955
in again. We're standing there.

745
00:27:21,495 --> 00:27:23,414
Paul kicks off to this old man's song

746
00:27:23,414 --> 00:27:24,715
red sails in the sunset.

747
00:27:25,740 --> 00:27:27,900
And we've been used to go across crowds

748
00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:28,480
in Hamburg.

749
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:31,180
Right? We play the number at the end

750
00:27:31,180 --> 00:27:33,855
of it. Yeah. Banging on the table, dancing

751
00:27:33,855 --> 00:27:35,914
on the table, gay ball. Yes.

752
00:27:36,214 --> 00:27:36,714
Speels.

753
00:27:39,815 --> 00:27:40,315
Silence.

754
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:44,230
We looked at one of them, it was

755
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:47,029
like, what have we done wrong? He's played

756
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:48,950
the wrong notes or something like that or

757
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:50,089
sung the wrong words

758
00:27:50,644 --> 00:27:52,664
And then his rumble started to,

759
00:27:53,285 --> 00:27:55,304
and it emanated. It was like an earthquake,

760
00:27:55,365 --> 00:27:58,164
you know, starting it. It was the kids

761
00:27:58,164 --> 00:27:59,704
screaming, starting to scream.

762
00:28:00,369 --> 00:28:02,150
And I always turn around and say,

763
00:28:02,609 --> 00:28:05,250
that particular night when we played the opening

764
00:28:05,250 --> 00:28:07,730
night at the Casper, the first big thing

765
00:28:07,730 --> 00:28:09,724
back again, That was the stars of the

766
00:28:09,724 --> 00:28:10,384
old mania.

767
00:28:11,884 --> 00:28:12,384
Yeah.

768
00:28:13,244 --> 00:28:16,125
That's incredible. So there was definitely a sense

769
00:28:16,125 --> 00:28:18,440
of you all looking at each other thinking

770
00:28:18,980 --> 00:28:21,940
this is something. Oh, wow. You understood that

771
00:28:21,940 --> 00:28:22,839
that was happening

772
00:28:23,460 --> 00:28:24,200
at the time?

773
00:28:24,660 --> 00:28:27,144
I think we saw it. We realized it

774
00:28:27,144 --> 00:28:27,804
in Hamburg.

775
00:28:28,105 --> 00:28:28,605
Okay.

776
00:28:29,785 --> 00:28:31,464
Because it it took us a while. We

777
00:28:31,464 --> 00:28:34,424
didn't we didn't conquer Hamburg overnight. It took

778
00:28:34,424 --> 00:28:36,679
took us a couple of weeks. But, you

779
00:28:37,059 --> 00:28:39,700
know, we eventually dominated Hamburg. We became the

780
00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:41,399
best things out of Hamburg. Okay.

781
00:28:42,179 --> 00:28:43,539
And of course, when we came back to

782
00:28:43,539 --> 00:28:44,039
Liverpool,

783
00:28:45,615 --> 00:28:47,054
the kids had never seen any of the

784
00:28:47,054 --> 00:28:49,154
overhead, anything like it. Right?

785
00:28:49,454 --> 00:28:50,835
Because you've got to imagine,

786
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:53,829
you know, the bands in Liverpool are all

787
00:28:53,829 --> 00:28:55,049
still in the gold army's

788
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:57,929
suits and, you know, white

789
00:28:58,309 --> 00:28:59,609
wing pickers and

790
00:29:00,234 --> 00:29:02,075
black shirts and all that kind of stuff.

791
00:29:02,075 --> 00:29:03,375
Typical rock and roll.

792
00:29:04,394 --> 00:29:06,234
And we come back from hamburger, our heads

793
00:29:06,234 --> 00:29:07,994
down by our shoulders. We got our leather

794
00:29:07,994 --> 00:29:10,289
jackets on, we cowboy boots on,

795
00:29:10,669 --> 00:29:12,750
you know, black C shirts, and it was

796
00:29:12,750 --> 00:29:14,929
just like the complete rock and roll image.

797
00:29:15,630 --> 00:29:18,005
And the music they were playing, and how

798
00:29:18,005 --> 00:29:18,984
they play a bit.

799
00:29:20,325 --> 00:29:22,345
Compared to the way that we were playing

800
00:29:23,045 --> 00:29:25,684
music, it was just a good suit on

801
00:29:25,684 --> 00:29:26,585
different entities.

802
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,420
You know, they were lightweight.

803
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,279
We were just blasting out the savage rock

804
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:33,299
and roll. And with the image,

805
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,240
the cameras, the kids in Liverpool were just

806
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:36,740
like,

807
00:29:37,904 --> 00:29:40,005
what is this? You know, did she

808
00:29:40,625 --> 00:29:41,684
No. It hit him.

809
00:29:42,464 --> 00:29:44,484
You've seen it on the films, but

810
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,640
here's 5 scouts is bringing it back home

811
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,319
again and dishing it out to them, you

812
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:50,859
know. And I imagine

813
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:53,705
all those out first of all, I can't

814
00:29:53,705 --> 00:29:55,305
believe you all had to play for 6

815
00:29:55,305 --> 00:29:58,025
hours straight, but all those hours day after

816
00:29:58,025 --> 00:29:59,085
day after day,

817
00:29:59,909 --> 00:30:01,690
I mean, you all must have been monsters

818
00:30:01,829 --> 00:30:02,569
up there.

819
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:03,769
Oh,

820
00:30:05,349 --> 00:30:07,909
we we enjoyed ourselves up there. We let

821
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:09,365
off steam up there. Okay?

822
00:30:10,964 --> 00:30:11,785
We drank.

823
00:30:12,164 --> 00:30:14,404
You know, we enjoyed ourselves. And we we

824
00:30:14,404 --> 00:30:15,224
carried that

825
00:30:15,684 --> 00:30:18,005
exhibitionism, but I suppose that's the way he

826
00:30:18,005 --> 00:30:18,839
could put it.

827
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,019
Exhibitionism on the stage.

828
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,559
But because of that exhibition, I mean, the

829
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:25,079
long hours, and we had to get rid

830
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:26,940
of our frustrations and tensions,

831
00:30:28,394 --> 00:30:29,534
The stage show

832
00:30:30,315 --> 00:30:32,394
with the musicianship group, you know, when it

833
00:30:32,394 --> 00:30:34,414
was that package that we brought back,

834
00:30:35,169 --> 00:30:36,710
we've gone out as, you know,

835
00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:39,490
mediocre rock and roll band, but we came

836
00:30:39,490 --> 00:30:40,390
back with this,

837
00:30:41,009 --> 00:30:42,789
you know, frenetic, savage,

838
00:30:43,424 --> 00:30:44,884
totally different looking,

839
00:30:45,424 --> 00:30:45,924
imageized,

840
00:30:46,785 --> 00:30:48,705
you know, rock and roll band that the

841
00:30:48,705 --> 00:30:50,305
kids in Liverpool were just like, oh my

842
00:30:50,305 --> 00:30:51,684
god. What the hell is happening?

843
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,759
So the funny thing was the next time

844
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:54,819
we played in Liverpool,

845
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,140
which is a couple of nights afterwards.

846
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,275
The word was out in the street. We

847
00:31:00,275 --> 00:31:02,375
were every promoter's dream.

848
00:31:02,994 --> 00:31:04,934
Right? They were all fine to both. Simply

849
00:31:05,715 --> 00:31:07,894
because the fact you booked The Beatles

850
00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:10,289
and you get them on your dance floor,

851
00:31:10,509 --> 00:31:12,130
the place is gonna be even.

852
00:31:12,430 --> 00:31:12,990
Right? So,

853
00:31:14,509 --> 00:31:16,610
it worked well for us initially. Yeah.

854
00:31:17,335 --> 00:31:19,654
Just 2 years, they came to you and

855
00:31:19,654 --> 00:31:22,794
said that Ringo Starr was gonna take over.

856
00:31:23,734 --> 00:31:24,875
2 years. Yeah.

857
00:31:26,329 --> 00:31:28,569
I mean, that's had to have been such

858
00:31:28,569 --> 00:31:30,009
a blow. I know it's a long time

859
00:31:30,009 --> 00:31:32,029
ago now and certainly well publicized.

860
00:31:32,410 --> 00:31:34,650
Yeah. Yeah. But, again, having been in bands

861
00:31:34,650 --> 00:31:35,664
myself, self,

862
00:31:36,204 --> 00:31:37,345
sort of unceremoniously

863
00:31:39,085 --> 00:31:41,164
coming to you and saying, that's it. We're

864
00:31:41,164 --> 00:31:41,984
doing this.

865
00:31:42,419 --> 00:31:44,500
Did you at the time, I mean, you've

866
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:46,119
had a long time to think about it.

867
00:31:46,339 --> 00:31:47,159
But the time,

868
00:31:47,539 --> 00:31:49,799
for a teenager or a young man,

869
00:31:50,099 --> 00:31:51,400
that had to have been devastating.

870
00:31:52,015 --> 00:31:53,695
Yeah. Don't get me wrong. I mean, when

871
00:31:53,695 --> 00:31:55,555
it happens, I mean, things were

872
00:31:56,575 --> 00:31:58,575
everything we were doing was a move in

873
00:31:58,575 --> 00:32:00,299
the right direction. You You know, we'd come

874
00:32:00,299 --> 00:32:02,059
get Hamburg, we come back, we come good

875
00:32:02,059 --> 00:32:02,559
Liverpool.

876
00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:06,299
We gone back to Hamburg, we played a

877
00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:08,684
better club, we play in the Tony Sheridan.

878
00:32:08,684 --> 00:32:11,484
We got a recording German recording contract, polo,

879
00:32:11,484 --> 00:32:13,565
and head off to Liverpool guys to do

880
00:32:13,565 --> 00:32:16,140
that. How to record health my Bonnie, which

881
00:32:16,140 --> 00:32:18,000
opened the doors for so many things,

882
00:32:18,940 --> 00:32:20,859
you know, ended up with a manager, Brian

883
00:32:20,859 --> 00:32:21,359
Epstein.

884
00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:23,984
So everything was moving along, you know, that

885
00:32:24,065 --> 00:32:25,765
this little dream that we had

886
00:32:26,224 --> 00:32:27,664
of being the top of most of the

887
00:32:27,664 --> 00:32:29,045
popple most, you know,

888
00:32:30,384 --> 00:32:31,845
just going in the right direction.

889
00:32:33,539 --> 00:32:35,640
So when the dismissal came in August,

890
00:32:36,339 --> 00:32:39,380
was it August 62, mid August 62, 14th

891
00:32:39,380 --> 00:32:41,160
to 15th or something like that,

892
00:32:41,684 --> 00:32:43,305
That was the last thing on my mind.

893
00:32:43,365 --> 00:32:44,805
You know? That was the last thing I

894
00:32:44,805 --> 00:32:46,505
was expecting. You know? We were

895
00:32:47,445 --> 00:32:48,805
you know, we'd been sent down by a

896
00:32:48,805 --> 00:32:50,400
decade, which was a little bit of a

897
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,080
kick in the seat for us. Then we

898
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,700
found out the reason for it.

899
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,920
Mike Schmidt had signed Brian Poole at the

900
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,000
Seminoles because they were a local band, and

901
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,705
he was friends with them. Then, you know,

902
00:32:59,705 --> 00:33:00,205
made

903
00:33:00,585 --> 00:33:02,424
sense even though we were the better band.

904
00:33:02,424 --> 00:33:02,924
Right?

905
00:33:03,545 --> 00:33:06,365
But, you know, Brian persevered. We persevered.

906
00:33:07,149 --> 00:33:09,649
We went back. We almost start up in

907
00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:11,490
Hamburg in April 62.

908
00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:14,349
While we were there, we got a telegram

909
00:33:14,349 --> 00:33:16,664
from Brian saying around saying, you guys are

910
00:33:16,664 --> 00:33:17,884
gonna record the contract

911
00:33:18,184 --> 00:33:18,924
with EMI,

912
00:33:20,184 --> 00:33:21,005
part of the division.

913
00:33:22,025 --> 00:33:24,505
Get yourself ready. You've gone into studio 6th

914
00:33:24,505 --> 00:33:25,005
June,

915
00:33:25,384 --> 00:33:25,884
1962,

916
00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:27,359
which is what we did.

917
00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:30,240
You know, that was like, wow.

918
00:33:30,779 --> 00:33:32,779
It's happening. You know, all of the things

919
00:33:32,779 --> 00:33:34,320
are starting to come to fruition.

920
00:33:35,154 --> 00:33:37,234
We're gonna have an English release and possibly

921
00:33:37,234 --> 00:33:38,994
that would go into the charts and, you

922
00:33:38,994 --> 00:33:41,255
know, you start pipe dream. You start piping.

923
00:33:41,875 --> 00:33:43,690
Actually, it was alright. He said and said,

924
00:33:43,690 --> 00:33:45,130
you know, it didn't work out that way

925
00:33:45,130 --> 00:33:47,289
for me. You know? It wasn't meant to

926
00:33:47,289 --> 00:33:49,289
be. My karma wasn't dressed in that right

927
00:33:49,289 --> 00:33:49,789
direction.

928
00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:51,450
And,

929
00:33:52,744 --> 00:33:54,184
you know, I was called as a Brian's

930
00:33:54,184 --> 00:33:56,105
office, a plate that happened the night before.

931
00:33:56,105 --> 00:33:56,605
And

932
00:33:57,464 --> 00:33:58,904
as you'd say, now to say, it's been

933
00:33:58,904 --> 00:34:01,304
well chronicled. You know, what the decision was

934
00:34:01,304 --> 00:34:02,859
about and the Sure.

935
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,440
Conspiracy theories over the dismissal and the reasons

936
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,199
for it. I'll most probably go on too

937
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:09,820
long after I've left the planet.

938
00:34:10,325 --> 00:34:11,765
You know, there'll still be people out there

939
00:34:11,765 --> 00:34:12,825
still trying to decide

940
00:34:13,365 --> 00:34:15,625
what the definitive reason was. You know?

941
00:34:16,085 --> 00:34:17,445
I wish you a good luck. You know?

942
00:34:17,445 --> 00:34:18,965
If they ever find out, let me know.

943
00:34:18,965 --> 00:34:20,679
You know? So Yeah.

944
00:34:21,219 --> 00:34:23,000
So, yeah, that was it.

945
00:34:24,420 --> 00:34:25,960
So, it came as a shock.

946
00:34:26,260 --> 00:34:27,699
Because it cost us, cost me a lot

947
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:29,079
of heartache and grievances

948
00:34:29,485 --> 00:34:31,585
because one minute you've been a top dog

949
00:34:31,965 --> 00:34:33,965
with the top band in Liverpool and people

950
00:34:33,965 --> 00:34:34,545
were happy.

951
00:34:36,420 --> 00:34:37,859
And the next day, it was like, you

952
00:34:37,859 --> 00:34:38,920
know, you're a nobody.

953
00:34:40,339 --> 00:34:42,920
Well, especially with the lineage of the CASBA

954
00:34:43,059 --> 00:34:45,284
and then needing you to be the drummer

955
00:34:45,284 --> 00:34:47,784
to go to Germany and all these things,

956
00:34:49,045 --> 00:34:50,744
to be that cog

957
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:53,679
that's pushing the wheel forward and forward and

958
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,659
forward, and then suddenly, they're like, oh, sorry.

959
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:58,960
Yes. Like, the wheel fell off. It was

960
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,500
somewhere in the line, but

961
00:35:01,605 --> 00:35:03,864
okay. It's it's one of them. It happens.

962
00:35:05,284 --> 00:35:06,804
The only thing I can say now to

963
00:35:06,804 --> 00:35:08,025
say about it is that

964
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:09,969
I suppose

965
00:35:10,910 --> 00:35:13,650
it it's certainly from being a naive thinking

966
00:35:14,110 --> 00:35:15,090
rock and roller

967
00:35:16,985 --> 00:35:18,684
to be in a little bit more streetwise,

968
00:35:18,744 --> 00:35:21,224
a bit more realistic about how you're gonna

969
00:35:21,224 --> 00:35:23,065
lead your life. Okay? And don't be so

970
00:35:23,065 --> 00:35:24,365
trustworthy with people,

971
00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:26,489
you know, because you never know when they

972
00:35:26,489 --> 00:35:27,789
may stab you in the back.

973
00:35:29,769 --> 00:35:31,289
I suppose it, you know, parts of life

974
00:35:31,289 --> 00:35:33,610
stretch button. It's an enlightenment. You either learn

975
00:35:33,610 --> 00:35:35,674
from what you thought from it. Yeah. I'm

976
00:35:35,674 --> 00:35:37,594
so fortunate that I learned from it. Okay.

977
00:35:37,594 --> 00:35:38,094
So,

978
00:35:38,714 --> 00:35:40,554
you know, I have no qualms. I have

979
00:35:40,554 --> 00:35:42,255
no qualms. You know, they haven't.

980
00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:43,840
That's the question

981
00:35:44,380 --> 00:35:45,039
is looking

982
00:35:46,460 --> 00:35:48,300
back, do you think you would have been

983
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:49,599
able to handle

984
00:35:51,005 --> 00:35:51,985
what it became?

985
00:35:52,285 --> 00:35:54,045
Do you think it would have fit who

986
00:35:54,045 --> 00:35:56,285
you are as a person? Because I I

987
00:35:56,285 --> 00:35:57,105
don't know

988
00:35:58,269 --> 00:36:00,750
that everyone is suited for the things that

989
00:36:00,750 --> 00:36:02,929
come with all of that. It's great scrutiny,

990
00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:05,250
a lot of pain, a lot of suffering,

991
00:36:05,469 --> 00:36:07,329
along with the fame and fortune.

992
00:36:07,945 --> 00:36:09,784
It's got a lot of negative stuff. Right?

993
00:36:09,784 --> 00:36:10,844
Do you Yeah.

994
00:36:11,224 --> 00:36:12,664
Yeah. Do you think you would have been

995
00:36:12,664 --> 00:36:14,744
able to handle all that? I think it's

996
00:36:14,744 --> 00:36:16,769
one of those ones. So you're actually in

997
00:36:16,769 --> 00:36:18,309
that situation, you wouldn't know.

998
00:36:18,610 --> 00:36:20,369
I always looked at it from the fact

999
00:36:20,369 --> 00:36:22,230
of whatever came along, whatever

1000
00:36:22,690 --> 00:36:23,910
cared for the American

1001
00:36:24,369 --> 00:36:24,869
expression

1002
00:36:25,894 --> 00:36:27,835
was thrown at us. We handled it.

1003
00:36:28,615 --> 00:36:30,295
You know? So it was like, we'll find

1004
00:36:30,295 --> 00:36:31,195
it. If that's,

1005
00:36:31,494 --> 00:36:33,115
you know, we've gotta make sacrifices

1006
00:36:33,940 --> 00:36:35,559
that comes with fame and fortune.

1007
00:36:36,099 --> 00:36:38,119
I don't think even they themselves

1008
00:36:39,860 --> 00:36:40,760
and myself,

1009
00:36:41,925 --> 00:36:43,684
most of them because they were more directly

1010
00:36:43,684 --> 00:36:44,664
involved in it,

1011
00:36:45,045 --> 00:36:45,945
would have realized

1012
00:36:47,445 --> 00:36:48,105
the degree

1013
00:36:49,710 --> 00:36:51,089
of fame that they acquired.

1014
00:36:51,630 --> 00:36:54,529
You know, they rewrote basically music history.

1015
00:36:54,989 --> 00:36:57,309
They have become music legends. They must probably

1016
00:36:57,309 --> 00:36:57,809
be

1017
00:36:58,835 --> 00:36:59,734
year 22,000

1018
00:37:00,275 --> 00:37:02,195
or whatever it might be. They'll still be

1019
00:37:02,195 --> 00:37:04,195
talking about the Beatles to be positive, you

1020
00:37:04,195 --> 00:37:04,695
know,

1021
00:37:05,315 --> 00:37:08,250
musical history about folklore. You know?

1022
00:37:09,210 --> 00:37:11,309
I don't think they themselves realized

1023
00:37:12,170 --> 00:37:13,070
at that stage

1024
00:37:14,170 --> 00:37:15,630
how big they would become.

1025
00:37:16,434 --> 00:37:17,255
No one realized

1026
00:37:17,555 --> 00:37:19,735
that okay let me never like dreams

1027
00:37:20,434 --> 00:37:21,574
all dreams again

1028
00:37:21,875 --> 00:37:23,795
big boys on it's getting records the number

1029
00:37:23,795 --> 00:37:25,094
one the English charts

1030
00:37:25,630 --> 00:37:27,150
And that was that to us was there.

1031
00:37:27,150 --> 00:37:29,230
We made it. We're there. We've got a

1032
00:37:29,230 --> 00:37:31,170
record. Let's offer the dogs. Right?

1033
00:37:32,030 --> 00:37:33,570
My god. What happened afterwards?

1034
00:37:34,715 --> 00:37:36,074
No one in the right mind would have

1035
00:37:36,074 --> 00:37:38,875
thought about that. But to what you turn

1036
00:37:38,875 --> 00:37:39,695
around and said,

1037
00:37:41,114 --> 00:37:42,974
they weren't aware of it at the time.

1038
00:37:43,994 --> 00:37:46,409
But with the fame and fortune they achieved,

1039
00:37:46,409 --> 00:37:47,869
that comes a lot of heartache

1040
00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:49,710
and a loss of

1041
00:37:50,569 --> 00:37:53,469
personal life. You know, your personal life suckers.

1042
00:37:54,425 --> 00:37:55,565
I'd like to think

1043
00:37:56,425 --> 00:37:58,204
that I would have been able to persevere

1044
00:37:58,265 --> 00:38:00,684
with that because of persevere with everything else.

1045
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,440
And, you know, persevered and overcome the biggest

1046
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,440
obstacle in my life, which she's getting, which

1047
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,799
is out of the band, which went on

1048
00:38:08,799 --> 00:38:10,500
to become the biggest thing in children.

1049
00:38:11,445 --> 00:38:13,284
So I'd like to think that, yeah, possibly

1050
00:38:13,284 --> 00:38:13,764
a little,

1051
00:38:14,965 --> 00:38:16,804
you know, a few problems like that I

1052
00:38:16,804 --> 00:38:19,065
would have been able to handle. Yeah. Sure.

1053
00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:22,989
Yeah. Did you keep doing music long after?

1054
00:38:22,989 --> 00:38:24,829
I know you you do music still to

1055
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:26,449
this day, but did you take

1056
00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:27,650
a time away?

1057
00:38:28,144 --> 00:38:30,625
Did you step step down and say, oh

1058
00:38:30,625 --> 00:38:32,625
my god. That has devastated me, and I'm

1059
00:38:32,625 --> 00:38:34,085
gonna walk away for a minute?

1060
00:38:34,385 --> 00:38:35,764
Not initially. No.

1061
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:38,039
It went the other way to be quite

1062
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:40,119
honest, even though I did in 68, give

1063
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:41,980
them music, but there was a reason for

1064
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,940
it. I think because of what had happened,

1065
00:38:46,015 --> 00:38:47,454
it would have been easy for me to

1066
00:38:47,454 --> 00:38:49,934
basically turn around and say, oh, easy for

1067
00:38:49,934 --> 00:38:50,434
me

1068
00:38:51,215 --> 00:38:52,815
to turn on and go on packing it

1069
00:38:52,815 --> 00:38:53,315
in.

1070
00:38:53,630 --> 00:38:54,750
You know I've had enough of this it's

1071
00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:55,650
not for me

1072
00:38:56,829 --> 00:38:59,230
it worked the opposite with me right when

1073
00:38:59,230 --> 00:39:00,769
I got back almost sort of

1074
00:39:01,230 --> 00:39:02,849
logically gone through things

1075
00:39:04,815 --> 00:39:06,734
and it's like, hang on a minute. Just

1076
00:39:06,734 --> 00:39:08,114
because this is out and

1077
00:39:09,454 --> 00:39:10,835
you can't just give in.

1078
00:39:11,150 --> 00:39:12,670
Right? So there's got to be another side,

1079
00:39:12,670 --> 00:39:14,130
there's got to be a projection of

1080
00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:15,710
it. And I think it worked the other

1081
00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:17,170
side, it may be more determined.

1082
00:39:17,949 --> 00:39:19,789
Because I had to go out and reinvent

1083
00:39:19,789 --> 00:39:20,769
myself again.

1084
00:39:21,534 --> 00:39:23,855
I had to prove to people again because

1085
00:39:23,855 --> 00:39:25,614
of what had happened and the stigmas that

1086
00:39:25,614 --> 00:39:26,675
were flying around.

1087
00:39:27,215 --> 00:39:28,574
I had to go out and basically prove

1088
00:39:28,574 --> 00:39:30,275
to people. It's like, hang on a minute.

1089
00:39:30,539 --> 00:39:32,539
Yeah. I am a good musician. I do

1090
00:39:32,539 --> 00:39:34,219
play the drums. I have got a good

1091
00:39:34,219 --> 00:39:34,719
band.

1092
00:39:35,019 --> 00:39:37,579
Right? I've got a recording contract. I'm up

1093
00:39:37,579 --> 00:39:38,719
there with them. Right?

1094
00:39:39,265 --> 00:39:40,545
It was just I was up there with

1095
00:39:40,545 --> 00:39:41,985
them, but I couldn't keep the same pace

1096
00:39:41,985 --> 00:39:43,765
going debits too fast for me.

1097
00:39:44,625 --> 00:39:46,144
What did your mom think of all of

1098
00:39:46,144 --> 00:39:47,045
this happening?

1099
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:49,179
She was a little upset by circumstances.

1100
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:54,839
The current expression she used when she was

1101
00:39:54,839 --> 00:39:56,139
on a TV interview.

1102
00:39:57,405 --> 00:39:59,244
I'm trying to remember her exact words. I

1103
00:39:59,244 --> 00:40:01,025
think they went to the effect of

1104
00:40:01,565 --> 00:40:03,264
it could have been handled better.

1105
00:40:03,565 --> 00:40:05,324
I think that was the way she expressed

1106
00:40:05,324 --> 00:40:05,824
it.

1107
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,760
And I suppose that sums it up in

1108
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,519
a tea cups. So, you know, it could

1109
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:10,960
have been handled better the way it was

1110
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:11,460
handled.

1111
00:40:13,175 --> 00:40:15,014
When you look back, most probably not the

1112
00:40:15,014 --> 00:40:15,514
best.

1113
00:40:15,815 --> 00:40:17,195
But when you look back,

1114
00:40:18,375 --> 00:40:20,135
thoughts about it many made well, I've had

1115
00:40:20,135 --> 00:40:21,574
many, many years to think about it. And

1116
00:40:21,574 --> 00:40:22,929
every now and again, a flashback

1117
00:40:24,130 --> 00:40:26,210
to them. I mean, you better put themselves

1118
00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:28,069
in your deposition as well.

1119
00:40:28,769 --> 00:40:30,050
And I'm just trying to cover up for

1120
00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:31,670
them a little bit here. Okay.

1121
00:40:32,764 --> 00:40:33,505
It's like,

1122
00:40:35,484 --> 00:40:38,065
even though George Martin words had been twisted,

1123
00:40:38,924 --> 00:40:40,684
he never say a man and said, you

1124
00:40:40,684 --> 00:40:43,199
know, I'm gonna use the session drummer because

1125
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:44,800
Pete's crap. It was like, can you use

1126
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,099
the session drummer because

1127
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:47,699
it's more economical?

1128
00:40:48,694 --> 00:40:49,994
Pitch sound is too

1129
00:40:50,454 --> 00:40:52,375
big, so we'll be getting under wraps again.

1130
00:40:52,375 --> 00:40:55,275
Okay. Whatever context that got taken out of,

1131
00:40:55,734 --> 00:40:57,114
that moment in time,

1132
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:59,769
They may have sought thought to themselves,

1133
00:41:00,230 --> 00:41:01,210
oh my god.

1134
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:04,469
Wanna use session drummers, but we are in

1135
00:41:04,469 --> 00:41:06,969
danger of losing every COVID contract again.

1136
00:41:07,344 --> 00:41:09,605
Okay. So how do we alleviate that?

1137
00:41:10,065 --> 00:41:11,125
Get rid of peace.

1138
00:41:12,065 --> 00:41:14,164
You know, that's that seems to be

1139
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:16,359
where the problem is. You know, the evidence

1140
00:41:16,359 --> 00:41:17,099
in now instead

1141
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,719
of using session news isn't for the others

1142
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,019
and she's the session runner.

1143
00:41:21,405 --> 00:41:24,045
And it's not uncommon for session drummers to

1144
00:41:24,045 --> 00:41:26,045
be different than the band's drummers. That happens

1145
00:41:26,045 --> 00:41:28,684
a lot on recordings. There are no modern

1146
00:41:28,684 --> 00:41:29,585
day that quickly.

1147
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:31,280
You know, it's in our I said,

1148
00:41:31,980 --> 00:41:33,360
no one was more surprised,

1149
00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:37,099
when we got in search with them once

1150
00:41:37,099 --> 00:41:37,599
afterwards.

1151
00:41:38,055 --> 00:41:39,255
And he said, man, I said, no one

1152
00:41:39,255 --> 00:41:41,114
was more surprised than I was.

1153
00:41:41,494 --> 00:41:43,414
When Ringo ended up, he said, I was

1154
00:41:43,414 --> 00:41:44,795
fully expecting peace.

1155
00:41:45,340 --> 00:41:47,099
He said but the fact that Ringo landed

1156
00:41:47,099 --> 00:41:47,599
up

1157
00:41:47,980 --> 00:41:49,420
he said I listened to Ringo and he

1158
00:41:49,420 --> 00:41:50,940
said it still came up with the same

1159
00:41:50,940 --> 00:41:51,440
logic

1160
00:41:51,739 --> 00:41:53,340
I'm still going to use Andy White to

1161
00:41:53,340 --> 00:41:54,159
session them

1162
00:41:54,984 --> 00:41:56,664
But what he did say now and say

1163
00:41:56,664 --> 00:41:58,684
it was common practice in those days.

1164
00:41:59,065 --> 00:41:59,565
Right?

1165
00:41:59,864 --> 00:42:01,005
Lots of other bands,

1166
00:42:02,744 --> 00:42:05,840
use session runners. Okay. Nothing was mentioned about

1167
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,440
the fact that a session number had been

1168
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:07,940
used.

1169
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,820
What physically happened on stage life

1170
00:42:11,679 --> 00:42:12,900
didn't make any difference.

1171
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:13,780
Right.

1172
00:42:15,704 --> 00:42:18,585
Yeah. Do you stay in touch with Paul

1173
00:42:18,585 --> 00:42:19,885
Ringo to this day?

1174
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:22,800
I put my hand on my heart and

1175
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,579
say, man, I say no. Okay?

1176
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:26,500
Simply because of the fact.

1177
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:28,579
Many years ago,

1178
00:42:29,364 --> 00:42:30,804
I did try to get in search and

1179
00:42:30,804 --> 00:42:31,945
have to find out

1180
00:42:32,724 --> 00:42:34,565
the wrong personal views as regards to what

1181
00:42:34,565 --> 00:42:35,864
had happened. Okay.

1182
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,400
Would it became very apparent they didn't want

1183
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,300
to sort them.

1184
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:43,199
And when people don't, you know, pick up

1185
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:45,275
the phone or they make excuses, they're not

1186
00:42:45,275 --> 00:42:47,434
in town or you know, he's not available,

1187
00:42:47,434 --> 00:42:49,515
this is that new. And Brian Epstein was

1188
00:42:49,515 --> 00:42:51,695
the same. Okay, it wasn't just that

1189
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,360
because it did show, I'd say, you know,

1190
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,440
get into Brian a little bit more and

1191
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:57,840
find out what had happened, but all of

1192
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,180
a sudden we became unavailable.

1193
00:43:00,375 --> 00:43:02,215
So life shifts on, you know, you you

1194
00:43:02,215 --> 00:43:04,775
drift further and further apart. I've all sat

1195
00:43:04,775 --> 00:43:07,095
down and said, you know, I've got no

1196
00:43:07,095 --> 00:43:08,954
qualms. It's all about meeting

1197
00:43:09,869 --> 00:43:10,609
Paul and Ringo.

1198
00:43:11,710 --> 00:43:13,150
A lot of people think that it's gonna

1199
00:43:13,150 --> 00:43:15,170
be, you know, the fights of the century.

1200
00:43:15,549 --> 00:43:16,049
It's

1201
00:43:18,255 --> 00:43:20,175
from my point of view, we're all elder

1202
00:43:20,175 --> 00:43:22,275
statesmen now. So god mighty

1203
00:43:23,215 --> 00:43:25,519
60 years closer past due to the bridge.

1204
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,539
You know, we're grandfathers. We got grandchildren.

1205
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,880
Of course. Yeah. But, you know, if we

1206
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:31,780
ever get together,

1207
00:43:33,485 --> 00:43:35,565
let's not talk about the reason why it

1208
00:43:35,565 --> 00:43:38,545
happened. That that's peripheral now. Okay. No.

1209
00:43:39,005 --> 00:43:41,085
I don't think Paul gives a damn. Ringo's

1210
00:43:41,085 --> 00:43:42,144
not worried anyway.

1211
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,279
I've come past it. Right? Yeah. You know,

1212
00:43:45,279 --> 00:43:47,940
let's talk about life. You know, you know,

1213
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,760
you have to go to Sandy, your grandkids,

1214
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,019
what's your family life like? Okay.

1215
00:43:52,625 --> 00:43:53,664
I don't know if you're gonna be a

1216
00:43:53,664 --> 00:43:55,664
bottle of Scotch in the table ring super

1217
00:43:55,664 --> 00:43:58,244
few, you know, while we're doing it. Well,

1218
00:43:58,945 --> 00:44:00,385
that's the way I look at it, you

1219
00:44:00,385 --> 00:44:01,889
know, and whether he wants, to, you know,

1220
00:44:01,889 --> 00:44:03,190
that happens, whether it's

1221
00:44:04,609 --> 00:44:07,170
a a public meeting or whether it's PR

1222
00:44:07,170 --> 00:44:07,670
audiences

1223
00:44:07,969 --> 00:44:09,750
or whatever the case might be,

1224
00:44:10,284 --> 00:44:11,964
whichever way he wants to play it, that

1225
00:44:11,964 --> 00:44:13,744
role with it. And look,

1226
00:44:14,605 --> 00:44:16,065
I've always said, I'm upset.

1227
00:44:17,140 --> 00:44:18,579
If it's meant to be, it would be,

1228
00:44:18,579 --> 00:44:20,260
you know, that that's my charm. And that's

1229
00:44:20,260 --> 00:44:22,840
that's that's my outlook on life. Okay. So

1230
00:44:23,219 --> 00:44:24,920
I'm not losing sleep over.

1231
00:44:25,335 --> 00:44:27,255
If it happens, it happens. It'd be nice

1232
00:44:27,255 --> 00:44:27,914
to happen.

1233
00:44:28,295 --> 00:44:29,355
Mhmm. If it doesn't,

1234
00:44:30,534 --> 00:44:31,994
life holds on. Yeah.

1235
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:34,269
I'm gonna ask you kind of a weird

1236
00:44:34,269 --> 00:44:36,989
question only because you you brought up the

1237
00:44:36,989 --> 00:44:38,829
ghosts in the house from when you were

1238
00:44:38,829 --> 00:44:39,410
a kid.

1239
00:44:39,875 --> 00:44:42,594
Oh, yeah. Yeah. After George and John after

1240
00:44:42,594 --> 00:44:44,835
John passed and then after George passed, did

1241
00:44:44,835 --> 00:44:46,215
either of them visit you?

1242
00:44:46,969 --> 00:44:47,949
Spiritually lives.

1243
00:44:48,730 --> 00:44:51,309
I I think possibly, you know, I I

1244
00:44:51,690 --> 00:44:53,549
mentioned before a restless spirit,

1245
00:44:54,010 --> 00:44:55,789
you know, that that's someone who

1246
00:44:57,295 --> 00:44:59,934
hasn't comes to terms with it. Okay. I

1247
00:44:59,934 --> 00:45:00,434
suppose

1248
00:45:03,849 --> 00:45:05,230
not a good way of expressing,

1249
00:45:05,610 --> 00:45:06,110
but

1250
00:45:08,890 --> 00:45:09,949
they were snatched

1251
00:45:11,505 --> 00:45:13,505
before the end of their natural life. Do

1252
00:45:13,505 --> 00:45:15,204
you understand what I'm trying to say that?

1253
00:45:15,824 --> 00:45:17,824
You know, John was murdered by the city

1254
00:45:17,824 --> 00:45:18,484
of Chapman.

1255
00:45:19,890 --> 00:45:21,489
And George was taken from us by this

1256
00:45:21,489 --> 00:45:21,989
horrible

1257
00:45:22,610 --> 00:45:23,829
seaweed. Right?

1258
00:45:25,730 --> 00:45:28,390
So they're all natural in a way, but

1259
00:45:29,234 --> 00:45:31,655
maybe a left on not being restless,

1260
00:45:32,275 --> 00:45:32,855
you know,

1261
00:45:35,074 --> 00:45:37,335
or a reason to go back and visit.

1262
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:39,190
You know, they might have come back and

1263
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:40,090
visited me.

1264
00:45:40,469 --> 00:45:41,989
I may have gone on business at both

1265
00:45:41,989 --> 00:45:43,989
the main point of angle. I don't know.

1266
00:45:43,989 --> 00:45:46,809
Are they Casper? Maybe? Oh, the Casper? Yeah.

1267
00:45:47,114 --> 00:45:50,335
Well, no. I wasn't visited by them. But

1268
00:45:50,795 --> 00:45:52,554
I don't think I'd have been frightened. I'm

1269
00:45:52,554 --> 00:45:54,335
not frightened the ghost. So

1270
00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:56,599
if it did happen or it happens

1271
00:45:57,059 --> 00:45:58,739
or I do get a visitation, I'll let

1272
00:45:58,739 --> 00:46:00,579
you know. I'll let you know. Please. I

1273
00:46:00,579 --> 00:46:01,559
I would be curious.

1274
00:46:02,505 --> 00:46:03,565
I'm glad that

1275
00:46:04,184 --> 00:46:04,684
you

1276
00:46:05,224 --> 00:46:06,125
were compensated

1277
00:46:06,664 --> 00:46:09,784
later on with the anthology one. That's good.

1278
00:46:09,784 --> 00:46:10,904
I mean, because I think there's

1279
00:46:12,250 --> 00:46:13,929
for a lot of people that hear your

1280
00:46:13,929 --> 00:46:14,429
story,

1281
00:46:15,130 --> 00:46:15,869
there's a

1282
00:46:16,409 --> 00:46:18,570
it's hard not to take it personally for

1283
00:46:18,570 --> 00:46:21,045
anyone that's been in a a situation

1284
00:46:21,505 --> 00:46:22,244
that is

1285
00:46:22,784 --> 00:46:25,025
likened to that. Not on that scale. I

1286
00:46:25,025 --> 00:46:27,424
mean, it's you can't touch what that scale

1287
00:46:27,424 --> 00:46:27,924
is.

1288
00:46:28,304 --> 00:46:28,804
But

1289
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:31,860
to have to know that you got compensated,

1290
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:35,380
in some way at some point,

1291
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:38,164
that's a good thing. Yeah. Yeah.

1292
00:46:38,465 --> 00:46:40,885
To me, it was like because of

1293
00:46:41,744 --> 00:46:43,664
little those of you don't know, there were

1294
00:46:43,664 --> 00:46:45,585
numerous projects that I thought that I may

1295
00:46:45,585 --> 00:46:47,579
have been included in. Okay? To, you know,

1296
00:46:47,579 --> 00:46:49,760
the BBC saves me with you to stop.

1297
00:46:51,019 --> 00:46:52,000
So when the anthology

1298
00:46:52,780 --> 00:46:54,219
was leaked that it was gonna come out

1299
00:46:54,219 --> 00:46:56,400
as a possibility. I just thought, well,

1300
00:46:57,105 --> 00:46:58,545
if they make an approach to make an

1301
00:46:58,545 --> 00:47:00,065
approach you know if I'm on it I'm

1302
00:47:00,065 --> 00:47:01,105
on it if I'm not on it I'm

1303
00:47:01,105 --> 00:47:01,605
on

1304
00:47:02,545 --> 00:47:03,824
it and I got a phone call from

1305
00:47:03,824 --> 00:47:04,324
Neil

1306
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,760
who was in charge of Apple at the

1307
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:07,260
time.

1308
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,840
And he basically said that, I said, Peter

1309
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:11,340
considering

1310
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:12,619
some of the trucks.

1311
00:47:13,574 --> 00:47:15,114
You know, would you be interested?

1312
00:47:15,974 --> 00:47:17,035
Sweats and I've

1313
00:47:17,894 --> 00:47:20,295
got no problem with that. So I said,

1314
00:47:20,295 --> 00:47:20,795
okay.

1315
00:47:21,549 --> 00:47:24,269
He said, we keep you informed. That's history

1316
00:47:24,269 --> 00:47:25,329
turns out now.

1317
00:47:26,349 --> 00:47:28,109
You know, it being from 1 or 2

1318
00:47:28,109 --> 00:47:29,549
trucks to get them to get end up

1319
00:47:29,549 --> 00:47:31,614
being sent trucks on a 30 one out

1320
00:47:31,614 --> 00:47:32,114
of

1321
00:47:33,454 --> 00:47:35,454
60. So once he got to that stage,

1322
00:47:35,454 --> 00:47:37,715
then it was like, okay, mister lawyer,

1323
00:47:38,175 --> 00:47:40,175
you take care of it. And that's how

1324
00:47:40,175 --> 00:47:42,640
they sorted it all up. Yeah. A lot

1325
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,039
of people because there was money involved in

1326
00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:47,200
it. Think that, okay, that must have been

1327
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,635
the restitution for Pete. That that's like he's

1328
00:47:49,635 --> 00:47:51,574
received some gratification. So,

1329
00:47:52,114 --> 00:47:53,394
you know, he's got a little bit of

1330
00:47:53,394 --> 00:47:55,335
payback, so that make him a happy man.

1331
00:47:55,394 --> 00:47:55,894
Right?

1332
00:47:56,340 --> 00:47:57,480
What do you don't realize

1333
00:47:57,780 --> 00:47:58,679
prior to that?

1334
00:47:59,059 --> 00:48:00,820
I was already a happy man. I was

1335
00:48:00,820 --> 00:48:03,539
already comfortable by my own endeavors. So don't

1336
00:48:03,539 --> 00:48:05,515
get me wrong Right? And the public don't

1337
00:48:05,515 --> 00:48:06,655
get me wrong. Okay.

1338
00:48:07,195 --> 00:48:09,454
You know, I'm not saying announcing, you know,

1339
00:48:09,914 --> 00:48:11,914
don't give me money. Right? It's fine. I

1340
00:48:11,914 --> 00:48:13,595
wake up for it out, but I'll take

1341
00:48:13,595 --> 00:48:15,289
it. But it was a little bit like

1342
00:48:15,289 --> 00:48:16,429
icing on the cake.

1343
00:48:16,809 --> 00:48:18,110
From my point of view,

1344
00:48:19,050 --> 00:48:20,969
I looked at it, it's fine icing on

1345
00:48:20,969 --> 00:48:22,969
the cake because I could have been on

1346
00:48:22,969 --> 00:48:23,710
one track.

1347
00:48:24,164 --> 00:48:25,545
I was on 10 tracks.

1348
00:48:26,085 --> 00:48:28,085
So I'd like to think that that was

1349
00:48:28,085 --> 00:48:29,844
a little bit of payback to show how

1350
00:48:29,844 --> 00:48:30,984
important you were

1351
00:48:31,605 --> 00:48:32,585
during that period.

1352
00:48:33,045 --> 00:48:33,545
Absolutely.

1353
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:34,890
Thank you.

1354
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:37,430
What did you do then for your life?

1355
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:38,969
What was your life's work?

1356
00:48:39,989 --> 00:48:42,150
68. I opted out of show business at

1357
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:44,214
Sanano said that was my, you know, as

1358
00:48:44,214 --> 00:48:45,275
a proof to people.

1359
00:48:46,214 --> 00:48:47,815
By then, I was married, I've flown a

1360
00:48:47,815 --> 00:48:49,275
lovely, lovely, lovely, lovely, lovely girl,

1361
00:48:49,734 --> 00:48:51,894
Kathy, and, I've been married to it for

1362
00:48:51,894 --> 00:48:55,309
61 years. Congrats. Sort of that. Yeah. Family

1363
00:48:55,309 --> 00:48:57,710
man, that's your decided the coin, you know,

1364
00:48:57,710 --> 00:48:59,409
I'm a musician on one side,

1365
00:48:59,869 --> 00:49:01,969
different hats I wear, you know,

1366
00:49:02,824 --> 00:49:04,684
Casper Coffee Cook Suites owner,

1367
00:49:05,304 --> 00:49:07,164
Liberty, it was museum owner,

1368
00:49:07,625 --> 00:49:09,405
you know, people stand

1369
00:49:10,025 --> 00:49:10,525
recording.

1370
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:13,190
Articles on and on. But, you know, you

1371
00:49:13,269 --> 00:49:14,550
you're in the field. You know what you're

1372
00:49:14,550 --> 00:49:16,329
saying? But I'll be going on about it.

1373
00:49:16,389 --> 00:49:18,170
So it's very much a case of

1374
00:49:19,005 --> 00:49:19,505
68,

1375
00:49:19,885 --> 00:49:21,805
burdensome. I was married and I made a

1376
00:49:21,805 --> 00:49:22,704
conscious decision.

1377
00:49:23,644 --> 00:49:24,864
I'm gonna bring my family.

1378
00:49:25,405 --> 00:49:25,905
Yeah.

1379
00:49:26,659 --> 00:49:27,880
I had the responsibility.

1380
00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:30,099
I've always seen around and said it would

1381
00:49:30,099 --> 00:49:31,400
have been a single guide.

1382
00:49:32,019 --> 00:49:33,699
Most strings attached, most of we had to

1383
00:49:33,699 --> 00:49:34,839
been hammering on,

1384
00:49:35,335 --> 00:49:36,855
But it didn't take a hold to them

1385
00:49:36,855 --> 00:49:37,815
with trucks. And,

1386
00:49:38,295 --> 00:49:40,055
you know, I'm very pleased to turn around

1387
00:49:40,055 --> 00:49:40,795
and say that,

1388
00:49:41,335 --> 00:49:42,715
you know, up to 1988,

1389
00:49:43,094 --> 00:49:44,715
I became a regular guy.

1390
00:49:45,369 --> 00:49:46,429
And then 1980s,

1391
00:49:46,730 --> 00:49:48,589
I did a one off concert in Liverpool.

1392
00:49:49,609 --> 00:49:51,769
After a great deal of persuasion, they've been

1393
00:49:51,769 --> 00:49:53,585
after me for many years to do this

1394
00:49:53,664 --> 00:49:55,125
particular concert, which is a beautiful,

1395
00:49:56,704 --> 00:49:59,684
conference in Liverpool, the big Liverpool people conference.

1396
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:01,000
And,

1397
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:03,640
I agreed, but I said, I'll do with

1398
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:04,300
my own

1399
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,220
the way I wanna do it.

1400
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,700
And I just said, I'll get some

1401
00:50:09,125 --> 00:50:10,164
good old mates from the,

1402
00:50:10,724 --> 00:50:11,625
the old days.

1403
00:50:12,085 --> 00:50:13,625
We play some rock and roll.

1404
00:50:14,005 --> 00:50:15,605
And I did. And I got my younger

1405
00:50:15,605 --> 00:50:17,445
brother Rose and throw his drum kit on

1406
00:50:17,445 --> 00:50:18,505
stage with me.

1407
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:21,429
So my mother was still alive then. So

1408
00:50:21,429 --> 00:50:23,109
she could see the youngest and the eldest

1409
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:24,949
son were both drummers playing on stage at

1410
00:50:24,949 --> 00:50:25,849
the same time.

1411
00:50:26,424 --> 00:50:26,924
Beautiful.

1412
00:50:27,704 --> 00:50:29,644
God of a sudden, maybe a one off.

1413
00:50:30,424 --> 00:50:32,904
So go to the Billy Kinsey, Kenny party,

1414
00:50:32,904 --> 00:50:35,565
Dave Goldie, great rockers from way back.

1415
00:50:36,269 --> 00:50:37,710
And we just got up on stage and

1416
00:50:37,710 --> 00:50:39,630
blasted off some great rock and roll. It

1417
00:50:39,630 --> 00:50:40,369
went down

1418
00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:42,289
a storm

1419
00:50:42,829 --> 00:50:44,485
and another came up after and

1420
00:50:49,825 --> 00:50:50,325
I

1421
00:50:51,425 --> 00:50:51,925
said,

1422
00:50:53,105 --> 00:50:54,519
no. It It was only gonna be a

1423
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:55,179
one off.

1424
00:50:55,639 --> 00:50:57,339
My god. How right she was.

1425
00:50:58,279 --> 00:51:00,920
So because since 1988, I've been treading the

1426
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:01,739
boards again.

1427
00:51:02,194 --> 00:51:03,954
And I joined every moment of me. You

1428
00:51:03,954 --> 00:51:05,394
know, I've got a great band, which he

1429
00:51:05,394 --> 00:51:06,994
just finished doing a couple of dates in

1430
00:51:06,994 --> 00:51:07,655
the states.

1431
00:51:08,434 --> 00:51:10,355
And, we're looking forward to going back again.

1432
00:51:10,355 --> 00:51:12,829
You know? I love that. That's always lived

1433
00:51:12,829 --> 00:51:13,490
in you.

1434
00:51:14,110 --> 00:51:16,510
We had a ball, my crowds were great

1435
00:51:16,510 --> 00:51:17,890
and made a lot of new friends.

1436
00:51:19,445 --> 00:51:21,065
The love to stuff we were playing,

1437
00:51:21,925 --> 00:51:23,684
giving it was lovely, you know, gives a

1438
00:51:23,684 --> 00:51:26,085
great boost, you know, great reports, great feedback

1439
00:51:26,085 --> 00:51:28,469
from the gigs as well. So It's great.

1440
00:51:28,530 --> 00:51:30,610
Let's talk about the the suites. What was

1441
00:51:30,610 --> 00:51:32,389
the decision to do that?

1442
00:51:33,329 --> 00:51:35,909
Yeah. We've had it we we wanted to

1443
00:51:36,425 --> 00:51:38,925
develop the image in Mo, this humongous

1444
00:51:39,305 --> 00:51:40,445
character. Right?

1445
00:51:41,065 --> 00:51:43,704
And give it a gratitude note. The thanks

1446
00:51:43,704 --> 00:51:44,605
that she also

1447
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:46,010
readily

1448
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:47,130
deserved.

1449
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:49,429
We're gonna have at this idea in the

1450
00:51:49,429 --> 00:51:50,730
back of our minds to

1451
00:51:51,429 --> 00:51:51,929
change

1452
00:51:53,244 --> 00:51:54,144
Haymands Green

1453
00:51:54,525 --> 00:51:55,025
into

1454
00:51:56,204 --> 00:51:57,344
a beetle orientated

1455
00:51:58,045 --> 00:51:58,545
wholesale.

1456
00:51:59,460 --> 00:52:01,380
And not not don't get me wrong. I

1457
00:52:01,380 --> 00:52:02,980
don't want it to be like a beetle

1458
00:52:02,980 --> 00:52:03,480
strong

1459
00:52:03,860 --> 00:52:05,619
whereby you go on every room, there's a

1460
00:52:05,619 --> 00:52:07,300
picture there and a picture there, and, you

1461
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:09,734
know, it's like you swallowed up by big

1462
00:52:09,734 --> 00:52:11,114
mania all around it.

1463
00:52:12,135 --> 00:52:13,894
It's unique, and that this is why I

1464
00:52:13,894 --> 00:52:15,355
keep using that word unique.

1465
00:52:16,214 --> 00:52:17,594
We decided that

1466
00:52:18,109 --> 00:52:18,849
the house

1467
00:52:19,550 --> 00:52:20,609
of both the Casper

1468
00:52:21,469 --> 00:52:23,389
was the Beatles played in the Casper. They

1469
00:52:23,389 --> 00:52:25,170
rehearsed in the Casper. Okay.

1470
00:52:26,155 --> 00:52:28,954
But they party, they slept. They played. They

1471
00:52:28,954 --> 00:52:30,815
rehearsed in the rooms of both.

1472
00:52:31,355 --> 00:52:32,974
So we've converted them

1473
00:52:33,630 --> 00:52:36,429
into 5 suites, Caswell Coffee Club Suites, the

1474
00:52:36,429 --> 00:52:38,130
Leonard Suite, McCarthy Suites,

1475
00:52:38,670 --> 00:52:41,230
Harrison Suites, Socolv Suite, and of course, the

1476
00:52:41,230 --> 00:52:42,369
best suites. Right?

1477
00:52:43,764 --> 00:52:46,184
And, they're all synonymous with the characters.

1478
00:52:48,804 --> 00:52:49,464
But the uniqueness

1479
00:52:50,565 --> 00:52:51,545
about it is

1480
00:52:51,989 --> 00:52:52,650
the people

1481
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:55,289
who will open up, we've gone public,

1482
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:57,610
August 1 a couple of days ago.

1483
00:52:58,309 --> 00:53:00,570
Public launch is gonna be the 21st

1484
00:53:01,190 --> 00:53:01,690
August,

1485
00:53:03,094 --> 00:53:04,614
And but we are open with,

1486
00:53:05,175 --> 00:53:06,394
open via Airbnb.

1487
00:53:06,855 --> 00:53:08,474
So people wanna go Airbnb

1488
00:53:08,775 --> 00:53:11,470
and check out Caswell Coffee Club Suites.

1489
00:53:12,010 --> 00:53:14,510
You'll see the suites gorgeously designed.

1490
00:53:15,849 --> 00:53:16,349
Okay.

1491
00:53:16,650 --> 00:53:18,430
Come over and see us. Right?

1492
00:53:18,890 --> 00:53:19,390
And

1493
00:53:19,694 --> 00:53:21,714
come and join us the unique

1494
00:53:22,335 --> 00:53:24,655
worldwide opportunity to come and stay where the

1495
00:53:24,655 --> 00:53:25,474
people slept,

1496
00:53:25,934 --> 00:53:27,155
played, and partied.

1497
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,680
And you better be there as well. You

1498
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,920
better be there, love. I'm gonna come I'm

1499
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,300
coming. I'm absolutely.

1500
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,385
Are you kidding? I'm absolutely coming there. Tell

1501
00:53:37,385 --> 00:53:40,105
me, is the Casbah underneath? Is the is

1502
00:53:40,105 --> 00:53:42,664
it still a venue? Is it still serving

1503
00:53:42,664 --> 00:53:45,704
coffee and and thing? No. No. No. No.

1504
00:53:45,704 --> 00:53:46,845
There's still coffee.

1505
00:53:47,530 --> 00:53:49,309
Because with the advent of the

1506
00:53:50,489 --> 00:53:52,570
the cash flow coffee treats now we're up

1507
00:53:52,570 --> 00:53:53,230
and running.

1508
00:53:54,465 --> 00:53:56,224
Again. I know the projection that might be

1509
00:53:56,224 --> 00:53:57,045
okay. It's

1510
00:53:57,425 --> 00:53:59,585
a great tourist attraction at the present moment.

1511
00:53:59,585 --> 00:54:01,125
It's booked will only by

1512
00:54:01,549 --> 00:54:03,469
by appointments, you know, because we have to

1513
00:54:03,469 --> 00:54:04,849
bring a tour guide in.

1514
00:54:05,789 --> 00:54:07,549
We'll tell them the story of the wonderful

1515
00:54:07,549 --> 00:54:10,109
Casper and Mona and, you know, the Beatles

1516
00:54:10,109 --> 00:54:10,929
and the Coyman.

1517
00:54:12,735 --> 00:54:14,734
But there's so so now because

1518
00:54:15,215 --> 00:54:16,655
and it's an idea of who I'm not

1519
00:54:16,655 --> 00:54:18,114
gonna bandy about. Okay.

1520
00:54:18,510 --> 00:54:19,949
He doesn't know it at the moment. We're

1521
00:54:19,949 --> 00:54:21,170
gonna bandy at a time.

1522
00:54:21,630 --> 00:54:23,789
I have possibly where we, you know, we

1523
00:54:23,789 --> 00:54:25,869
may start setting coffee down there again, you

1524
00:54:25,869 --> 00:54:26,929
know, is it that's

1525
00:54:27,295 --> 00:54:29,534
sort of subtraction people can come. They can

1526
00:54:29,534 --> 00:54:30,355
do the tour.

1527
00:54:30,734 --> 00:54:32,094
They can sit off and have a coffee

1528
00:54:32,094 --> 00:54:34,255
with us. You know? So we may project

1529
00:54:34,255 --> 00:54:35,614
that one. We'll take a little bit steps

1530
00:54:35,614 --> 00:54:36,994
further, but I'll keep you informed

1531
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,079
Well, my vote is that you open it

1532
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:42,320
up and have it happen again and maybe

1533
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,440
even utilize the stage and have acoustic sets

1534
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:46,820
or something that's more

1535
00:54:47,184 --> 00:54:47,684
mellow

1536
00:54:48,464 --> 00:54:49,204
and interesting.

1537
00:54:49,664 --> 00:54:52,144
No. Well, you never know. You see? You

1538
00:54:52,144 --> 00:54:55,444
never know. The venue is there. Right? So

1539
00:54:56,369 --> 00:54:58,530
let's just let this get this one off

1540
00:54:58,530 --> 00:54:59,110
the floor,

1541
00:54:59,570 --> 00:54:59,969
and,

1542
00:55:00,769 --> 00:55:02,530
we'll go back and start thinking about that

1543
00:55:02,530 --> 00:55:03,590
as a little venue.

1544
00:55:04,175 --> 00:55:06,594
Yeah. I'm gonna put links on heyhumanpodcast.com

1545
00:55:07,614 --> 00:55:09,775
so people can find everything really easily, but

1546
00:55:09,775 --> 00:55:11,315
your website is pbest.com?

1547
00:55:12,469 --> 00:55:12,969
Peapbest.com

1548
00:55:13,269 --> 00:55:14,250
is my website.

1549
00:55:14,869 --> 00:55:16,789
If you go on to the Airbnb website,

1550
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:17,289
recast.copygroupsuites,

1551
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:20,650
even though I mentioned that on my website,

1552
00:55:21,114 --> 00:55:23,514
It's mentioned on the Liverpool Beatles Museum website

1553
00:55:23,514 --> 00:55:25,375
as well, obviously, involved with.

1554
00:55:25,914 --> 00:55:27,855
Tell me about that a minute, the Liverpool

1555
00:55:28,554 --> 00:55:30,574
Beatles Museum. You run it?

1556
00:55:31,260 --> 00:55:31,760
Yeah.

1557
00:55:32,059 --> 00:55:33,280
It was wrongs brainchild.

1558
00:55:33,739 --> 00:55:35,900
He had this idea, and he had this

1559
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:38,380
collection, which we were all basically contributed to

1560
00:55:38,380 --> 00:55:39,280
over the years.

1561
00:55:39,855 --> 00:55:41,315
But he he felt the

1562
00:55:41,855 --> 00:55:42,675
right location

1563
00:55:43,934 --> 00:55:46,094
because it's not that we're not usually he

1564
00:55:46,094 --> 00:55:47,934
couldn't get a better location than if you

1565
00:55:47,934 --> 00:55:48,434
tried.

1566
00:55:49,110 --> 00:55:51,429
You know, basically facing the cabin, 200 yards

1567
00:55:51,429 --> 00:55:52,489
down from the cabin.

1568
00:55:52,869 --> 00:55:54,090
And it is, like, basically,

1569
00:55:54,469 --> 00:55:56,230
you know, let the world see the the

1570
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:57,929
collection, you know, the the

1571
00:55:58,375 --> 00:56:00,295
the Beatles collection, and it is a fabulous

1572
00:56:00,295 --> 00:56:00,795
collection.

1573
00:56:01,335 --> 00:56:03,994
And there's over a 1,000 artifacts in there.

1574
00:56:04,454 --> 00:56:06,875
It keeps getting updated every couple of weeks.

1575
00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:09,650
So even if people have been and they

1576
00:56:09,650 --> 00:56:11,409
come back again and we hope to come

1577
00:56:11,409 --> 00:56:13,730
back many many more times. Answer the cats

1578
00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:15,589
about coffee pub sweets as well. Okay.

1579
00:56:16,364 --> 00:56:18,764
It won't be the same. There's always something

1580
00:56:18,764 --> 00:56:20,684
new in there, you know, so it's they're

1581
00:56:20,684 --> 00:56:22,144
not seeing the same thing.

1582
00:56:22,525 --> 00:56:24,525
Does he remember really going in there every

1583
00:56:24,525 --> 00:56:27,010
day? But it it keeps it fresh, keeps

1584
00:56:27,010 --> 00:56:27,750
it alive.

1585
00:56:28,369 --> 00:56:30,369
Yeah. I mean, it sounds like you have

1586
00:56:30,369 --> 00:56:32,550
created lots of reasons to go to Liverpool.

1587
00:56:34,715 --> 00:56:36,655
That's just 2 of them. Okay.

1588
00:56:37,035 --> 00:56:39,675
But you've got 3 now. 3. Yeah. At

1589
00:56:39,675 --> 00:56:41,355
the Casper coffee club street, you got the

1590
00:56:41,355 --> 00:56:43,800
Casper downstairs, You got the Living Blue Beetles

1591
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,599
Museum. That's right. The best triangles. There you

1592
00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:49,320
go. Pete, you are wonderful. I really appreciate

1593
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,784
your time and being on the show. This

1594
00:56:51,864 --> 00:56:53,405
is really an honor for me.

1595
00:56:54,025 --> 00:56:54,684
Oh, so

1596
00:56:55,224 --> 00:56:57,304
been a pleasure talking to you. Okay. And

1597
00:56:57,304 --> 00:56:58,204
just let me

1598
00:56:58,505 --> 00:57:00,684
shoot a fuck with someone. It's been like,

1599
00:57:01,489 --> 00:57:03,349
talking to someone over a cup of coffee.

1600
00:57:03,489 --> 00:57:05,489
So I really enjoyed it. Thank you. Thank

1601
00:57:05,489 --> 00:57:07,650
you. Thank you. That's a huge compliment. Thank

1602
00:57:07,650 --> 00:57:09,829
you. And thank you for listening everybody.

1603
00:57:10,369 --> 00:57:12,795
Bye. See you soon. God bless you. See

1604
00:57:12,795 --> 00:57:13,775
you in a little bit.

1605
00:57:15,194 --> 00:57:17,054
Yes. 100%. Yes.

1606
00:57:17,594 --> 00:57:18,655
Have a great night.

1607
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:24,260
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1608
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,019
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1609
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:27,059
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1610
00:57:27,519 --> 00:57:28,019
Bye.