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Hey, humans. How's it going? Susan Ruth here.

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Thanks for listening to another episode of hey

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human podcast.

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This is episode 417,

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and my guests

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is Richard As,

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haunting at his grandparents sparked his curiosity, but

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it was years before

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Richard began to investigate the paranormal.

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You may have seen him on shows like

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Tvs haunted case files or paranormal 911 among

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others or maybe you've read a few of

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his 30 plus books ranging from

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killers, do haunting, do fraud

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and histories.

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His book of grave undertaking comes out next

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month. It's all about the Bloomberg family who

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bought the haunted funeral home, Heather, it was

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on the show.

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A few weeks ago on episode 413.

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If you haven't listened to that, definitely check

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that out.

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Richard went and

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interviewed them and spent time in the house

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and wrote the grape undertaking book, so that's

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very cool. And as if all that wasn't

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enough to keep him busy,

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he's also a paramedic

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he's a good guy. Really enjoyed talking to

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him.

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Good head on his shoulders,

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proper amount of skepticism,

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p,

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and curiosity. It's a good combo and that

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is always intriguing to me when it comes

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to things so the paranormal to know that

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somebody really

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is not just all in for the sake

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of being all in that that they're really

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looking at it

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intellectually, I guess is the best way to

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put it. I mean, with feeling as well,

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I think you have to have

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your senses alive and these sorts of things.

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I'm I'm excited for you to hear the

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episodes. It's gonna be cool. In other news,

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I was looking for something to watch.

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I was getting overwhelmed with

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I started watching a show called ghosts.

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It's a Cbs show, but it's on Paramount

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plus.

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I gotta tell you the first few episodes

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I thought, Is kinda corny, but it's a

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sweet kind of corny, so I'm digging it.

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And then I just got sucked in. When

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it made me feel really good. There there

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something incredibly wholesome about it and

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when I watched Ted Lasso or

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Shit's Creek, just really good. I don't know

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if it's up your alley. Don't get paid

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to tell to watch it or anything. I

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it's just a warm and fuzzy watch, and

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I really needed that. So I'm passing on

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to you what I thought about it. Okay.

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Here we go.

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Richard, Ace. Welcome to hey human. Thank you

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for having me. I appreciate it.

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Absolutely. I'm really excited to speak with you

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you are a fascinating human

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the things that you do and we are

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gonna get into all of it. But let's

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start with your chart to tell me where

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you're from, and what's set you on your

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I come from the Uk originally, the Midlands,

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a city code Les,

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which is famous, I guess, mildly famous for

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its soccer.

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More famous because we hide our kings under

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the car

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under parking lots and last. But that was

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home until my mid twenties

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when I relocated to the Us.

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In 19 99. So I spent exactly half

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of my life on each side of the

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Atlantic at this point. In your childhood, did

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begin to

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experience

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things that other people couldn't see. How did

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you get into becoming

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someone that was interested in the ether.

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No. I didn't, and I still don't. I,

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I've been fascinated with with ghosts especially haunting

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things. But Ufo and things of that nature,

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the whole gamut of the unexplained since I

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was a boy, growing up, my grandparents had

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a a friendly ghost in their haunted

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haunted home, a suite old lady that had

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been a former resident and had died there

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and and stuck around and made appearances every

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childhood, and, of course, there was no Tb

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then, the paranormal Tv I should say. So

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probably a good thing because if you wanted

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to satisfy your curiosity about what things went

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and wonderful. You enter the library. You got

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a library card, which I did and checked

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out every book 5 times over. By people

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like Hand holt, and Peter underwood and Harry

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the field. And that is how I really

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got my education and and passion for.

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Things that go bump in the nights.

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Was there something that struck you as a

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common ground to have the compliments that made

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a haunting happen or was it happens stance

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depending on the house or place? Well haunting,

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and I think it's lazy for us to

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to default to haunting equals dead people. I

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think it's stranger than that. And there are

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many different categories and subcategories of haunting, many

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different type of phenomena. There are no true

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commonalities in every case, which is what makes

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researching them so interesting, and so frustrating at

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the same time.

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you're a paramedic, which is an interesting choice

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because I'm sure you

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see the the fine line between living and

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dead and that kind of profession, and then

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you are an author writing about all the

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things that you have,

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research. So let's start with the paramedic part.

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at all. When I came to the Uk,

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while I missed apart from the obvious home

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sickness and culture shock, I was in the

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British Army territorial army when I was in

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the Uk, and I missed the camera being

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in a platoon of of that kind of

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meaningful hands on work and that kind of

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service and mentality. But I had an It

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on that It career.

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I also wasn't gonna just up and join

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the military. So I really didn't

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do more than ponder that for a couple

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of years, and then 09:11 happened, and Of

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course, the cliche is we all know where

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we were and what we were doing on

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and I was at my job

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for a computer company at the time, monitoring

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networks watching it happen on Live Tv and

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just felt that I wanted to do something.

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ended up instead going to my local firehouse

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and saying how do I sign up?

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that. You have to become an Emt, which

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I did. I found how much fire, the

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fire department doesn't do anymore.

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80 percent of what most fire palm do

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are emergency medical calls in this country. I

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4 years ago from that, but I still

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third year right now, serving as a paramedic

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and a paramedic educator. And I enjoy being

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able to not only serve community and my

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fellow human beings.

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I I also enjoy almost everything that comes

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about the discipline and art of paramedics.

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Did you found the the code green campaign

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or is that something you're just... Not part

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of. Okay. Tell me about the Yeah. My

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first book in such the paranormal it came

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out. The code green campaign. So there is

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issue with mental health in the emergency response

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depression,

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anxiety, things of that nature,

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suicide happens far too often. I'm afraid. And

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the code green campaign was charity that was

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founded specifically help

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educate and direct resources

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to first responders. And so I was aware

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of it and when my first book came

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out. I wanted to donate a percentage of

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your profits.

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10 percent of the royalties from, in search

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of the paranormal were donated to the code

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green campaign.

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That's lovely. It is

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unfortunate.

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It's just like the military Ptsd funds and

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things. I just did... It's really sad that

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that that is the offs shoot of

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people who are really serving

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humanity and the price set they pay for

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that.

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with it. When it comes to the military

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at least, we are far too quick to

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send out military to war.

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And yet we are less willing to help

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them pick up of pieces of s lives

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afterwards.

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similar with the emergency services, I think also

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none of us are drafted. We all choose

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that professional. We all choose that location. Nonetheless,

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you know, it it would be impossible to...

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To experience the things we experience

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and not have some degree of psychological shoulder.

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So, of course, it's never a competition or

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anything like that. Some people are hit significantly

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harder than others, based upon a variety of

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factors and they need and deserve our compassion

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and our systems.

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I agree. I talk about these sorts of

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things a lot on this show. I think

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it's incredibly important.

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Tell me about when you were younger, at

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your grandparents house, did you you, I assume

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saw her, the the ghost...

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Did you interact with her? Did you not

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ever her and only heard about her? I

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already heard about her. My step father had

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told me the stories, and

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she appeared during the 19 forties when my

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grandfather was

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serving in the Be campaign fighting against the

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Japanese army.

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So, my grandmother was alone, you can imagine

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1 of those War war 2 era families

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she's trying to raise a gag of kids

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on her own, Meanwhile at night, the the

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lift offer for the German air forces

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bombing, you know, the heck out of the

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city, it was a very stressful time. I

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often think that the the ladies that primarily

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stepped the home front. Do not get nearly

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enough credit as part of the greatest generation

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because they raised families

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not knowing if they were widows. They were

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they raised families in these horrific conditions. And

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my grandmother or she mail it have the

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help of this former resident of the house

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because this this lady would go into the

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children's common bedroom that they shared at night,

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after bedtime,

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and would just make sure that always as

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it should be after lights out that they

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were all tucked in, and it didn't occur

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to 1 of the kids that she wasn't

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the flesh and blood human being, you know,

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in that way that children just don't ask

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questions, an the adult walks into the room.

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She would come into the room, look around,

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make sure it big everyone was good and

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then leave again. And they only really mentioned

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after my grandfather returned from the poor

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and my grandmother was, like, there was no

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there was not a lady describe her.

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And the the the kids, of course, all

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told the same story. They described the same

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lady.

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Which was the woman that had, owned the

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house before they did and had passed away

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downstairs.

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I heard that story and and I thought

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this is really cool.

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But when you're sleeping in that same bedroom

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alone, it's terrifying as well. So your mind

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turns every creaking floor board, you know, into

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a fountain foot step, And and and I

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think half of me was kind of hoping

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that I would have a ghost encounter in

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half of me was terrified

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that I would. You know, it's the ultimate

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kind of yin yang duality. And I never

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did. It would be too hollywood story if

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I did. Right? But it did set me

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on this road to being fascinated with ghosts

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and haunting and why they are the way

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they are. There's nothing

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really for those kids scary about this haunting

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at all. And it's a classic example of

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a ghost with a mission. And once that

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mission, which was, you know, to help out

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while,

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my grandmother was under all the stress, But

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once that mission was completed,

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she didn't stick around. She went She never

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appeared again, and I like to think she

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congratulate herself for a job well done, and

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moved on to whatever comes next. And now

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that my grandparents had both passed,

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I like... I really do like to think

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that maybe they got to to have a

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chat and and sit around it and finally

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meet in person

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and laugh about that.

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But without her, I would not have this

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career, I would not be this teller of

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ghost stories.

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So I owe that, that long dead lady

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my thanks to.

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That's a great story. I was thinking about

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this last night actually, while,

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contemplating questions I would have for you.

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And

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I thought, you know, gosh, He wouldn't love

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to be able to

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sit down and talk. There's that show ghost.

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Right? And I thought, how wouldn't that be

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so wonderful

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And at the same time, I think, I

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would probably be scared to death if they

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first showed up. And like you said,

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what a what a duality that is because

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I want that so badly. But then I

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think, oh, I would I just be screaming

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crying and running the other way. Even if

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they were a nice ghost.

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I mean, there they're really just people without

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me too

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So, you know, it's it's it's kind of

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interesting. Right? As we

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as we think about why they're sort frightening

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to us,

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the answer really is Hollywood.

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We've all in store. If you had never

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seen hollywood ghost story, you know, if you

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would

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never

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never been exposed to that, I think that

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natural curiosity and sense 1 that we have

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as human beings, especially children would be the

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overriding emotion. We've conditioned ourselves

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to make them scary. And I bear some

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responsibility for this. I mean, I've I've gotten

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some scary book covers out there on purpose.

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Which is kind of a bait switch in

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some cases. Because I do want people to

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actually pick up the books and read them,

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and the sad truth is, especially these days

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Most people are not that interested in pleasant

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nice friendly ghosts. That's not what sells to

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our great mis fortune. But in reality, I

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think the vast majority of cases I've investigated

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have been friendly or or at worst, you

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know, neutral pointing. There have been some dark

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and aggressive ones. They do have them, of

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course, they do. But I would not say

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they're in the majority.

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You can say the same about people. You

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know, you you need say

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yeah.

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You know,

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should we be afraid of some goes? Sure.

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We should be afraid of some strangers? There's

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a reason we still lock our doors at

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night, You know,

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unfortunately, women know this far better than males

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do. You know, and so,

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I won't patron you by by having to

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tell you that. It's just worth remark that

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there are dangerous individuals out there and living

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and dead. But I do think the majority

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of people are decent kind and friendly, you

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know?

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And I think the same is true with

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ghosts spirits or cold and what you will.

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I wonder if

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scenarios like the woman that was in your

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grandparents house if

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she

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didn't necessarily hang around there, but when she

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was needed, was pulled back to do a

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job. And then

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once that was done, sort of Mary pop

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and style said Seal. Maybe drafted. You mean

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kind of the... Yeah. Yeah

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it's possible.

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I'll tell you that I... I mean, my

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my most common

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area of...

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I shouldn't say expertise but concentration is haunted

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hospitals. I mean, I'm known for to that

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show primarily

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for several books on haunted health care. And

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I get asked the lot about, you know,

443
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why our hospital so haunted.

444
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Leaving aside the death and those kind of

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things. Something that is Well worth bearing in

446
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mind is that the medical

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profession is is filled with men and women

448
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who feel cold. It's of calling. There are...

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There are some people that go to medical

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school or or nursing or whatever for the

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money, of course. But there are easier ways

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to get rich. But vast majority of people,

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whether they're

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physicians taking the hip credit oath or Emts

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staffing in ambulance or hospital cleaners. They feel

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compelled

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to service of their fellow human beings. And

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I think that you know, I've run into

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so many cases of medical staff being on

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duty long after they actually died.

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I don't really run into this with stock

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broker. I've yet to meet a a phantom

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bank manager stock broker, advertising executive,

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computer network engineer,

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killer salesperson,

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I don't run into that. Why?

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Well, I don't know about you, but I

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wouldn't stick around and wanna do that job

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for all eternity. You know, even... I wouldn't

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wanna do you know, certain kinds of jobs

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administrative bureau bureaucratic jobs. I wouldn't wanna do

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that and they to life but helping people,

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that's the this sacred component to that. You

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know? I don't mean it in a religious

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sense, but I mean at a fundamental

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spiritual level, it's a sacred thing. Human beings

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taking care of other sick vulnerable human beings.

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And I think that imperative

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sometimes

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survives the death of the body. And there

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are number of cases of medical facilities I've

482
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investigated where it seems as though some of

483
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those doctors, nurses,

484
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and so forth, x extra technicians in 1

485
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case, they are still

486
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taking care of people or at least they

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believe they are long after they punched the

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clock for the last time.

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I wonder if they take care of other

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ghosts or haunted

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persons. I don't know what the the proper

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terminology is. But,

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ones who have passed from their illness, and

494
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it would be interesting if the medical ghosts

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are still taking care of the ghosts that

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are sick. Yeah. I, I hope not. Mediums

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tell us that

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disease, pathology, illness does not come with us

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beyond the physical body, which which would make

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sense to me. Yeah. You know, percentages of

501
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the body should probably be left behind with

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the body. But I do think that the

503
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word caring has a wide definition. And we

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care for 1 another countless different ways, You

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know, Not all of it is putting on

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bandages and and things of that nature.

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I'd like to think that the tele goes

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are actually demons.

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Calling at 07:00 while we're eating dinner.

510
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Yeah. Is there a... Is is there some

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kind of spiritual no call list I can

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get on. So I don't get E piece

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from them that'd be great.

514
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It's the gist the joke is net. I'm

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still waiting for the E p, or the

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the Ou board message that tells me we've

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been trying to reach you about your extended

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warranty.

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Yes. 6

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tell them, so you've written over 30 books.

521
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Yeah. 34 I think it is the moment.

522
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I'm sure every time you get interviewed, you

523
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do get asked for the highlight real So

524
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let's take it 1 level down. What are

525
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some interesting

526
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stories that you came across that aren't necessarily

527
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the big woo, but

528
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something that you haven't talked about a lot.

529
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I don't just write ghost stories. I mean,

530
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that's that's something I I write through crime

531
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books. I've written a book about

532
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corruption throughout Us history

533
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I've comic books

534
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to Dc Thompson's Commando comics, Military comic books.

535
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It's a broad net that is cast. And

536
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right now, I'm just gearing up to go

537
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to

538
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Chicago to, research a book on moth man

539
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for next year.

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So

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I'm always looking for what's a good story.

542
00:19:42,633 --> 00:19:44,379
And a good story has human beings that

543
00:19:44,379 --> 00:19:46,617
it's heart, a good human interest story. The

544
00:19:46,617 --> 00:19:48,522
reason the ghosts fascinating me so much, I

545
00:19:48,522 --> 00:19:49,498
think is that

546
00:19:50,347 --> 00:19:52,729
these are people that had, you know, they

547
00:19:52,729 --> 00:19:54,713
may have lived hundreds of years before we

548
00:19:54,713 --> 00:19:57,039
did but they have the same stresses, the

549
00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:00,389
same aspirations, the same hopes, fears, dreams, anxieties,

550
00:20:00,788 --> 00:20:03,260
concerns. The the more you study history, and

551
00:20:03,420 --> 00:20:05,150
I think ghosts are really a reflection

552
00:20:05,828 --> 00:20:07,742
of history given form and voice,

553
00:20:08,301 --> 00:20:10,136
the the the kind of like echo echoes

554
00:20:10,136 --> 00:20:12,131
are, in a way. The more you study

555
00:20:12,131 --> 00:20:14,299
it you realize the old saying that the

556
00:20:14,299 --> 00:20:15,735
more things change the more they stay the

557
00:20:15,735 --> 00:20:17,330
same is absolutely true.

558
00:20:17,968 --> 00:20:19,803
So it it it almost to me doesn't

559
00:20:19,803 --> 00:20:22,376
matter whether I'm writing about a haunted house

560
00:20:22,689 --> 00:20:24,447
or whether I'm writing about the battle of

561
00:20:24,527 --> 00:20:25,027
Getty

562
00:20:25,725 --> 00:20:28,361
or whether I'm writing about some other facet

563
00:20:28,361 --> 00:20:29,320
of a human life,

564
00:20:30,132 --> 00:20:33,234
Any any person or people that I can

565
00:20:33,234 --> 00:20:36,336
connect when connect to and help readers connect

566
00:20:36,336 --> 00:20:39,365
with ta me, and I love telling those

567
00:20:39,365 --> 00:20:39,683
stories.

568
00:20:40,396 --> 00:20:40,896
Mh.

569
00:20:41,427 --> 00:20:42,720
Have you been physically

570
00:20:43,092 --> 00:20:44,148
touched by

571
00:20:44,855 --> 00:20:47,335
something you can't see? Yeah. More than 1

572
00:20:47,335 --> 00:20:49,014
occasion. I mean, the most the most blatant

573
00:20:49,014 --> 00:20:50,615
mom was it a place called fox hollow

574
00:20:50,615 --> 00:20:51,434
farm in

575
00:20:51,734 --> 00:20:53,414
Indiana, which was the home of the serial

576
00:20:53,414 --> 00:20:55,366
killer... Excuse me Herbert Ba,

577
00:20:56,217 --> 00:20:58,760
the I 70 str, and in his pool

578
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,065
room, the room of the swan pool, the

579
00:21:01,065 --> 00:21:03,345
pom room that adjacent to the pool which

580
00:21:03,543 --> 00:21:06,243
houses the pump machinery in operating gear. I

581
00:21:06,243 --> 00:21:09,101
was very very clearly touched on the Tri.

582
00:21:09,498 --> 00:21:11,007
Cares crest is the word I would use.

583
00:21:11,578 --> 00:21:14,122
It was most definitely a creepy touch. And,

584
00:21:14,201 --> 00:21:16,347
of course, her bow was a a serial

585
00:21:16,347 --> 00:21:18,414
killer who, although he was married,

586
00:21:19,367 --> 00:21:20,321
was in the closet.

587
00:21:20,893 --> 00:21:24,577
And targeted only males as his victim. So

588
00:21:24,873 --> 00:21:26,783
I had just swam in the swimming pool

589
00:21:26,783 --> 00:21:28,375
in which she committed most of those murders.

590
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:30,867
And so that kinda cares of the of

591
00:21:30,867 --> 00:21:32,864
bought back of the arm. I can feel

592
00:21:32,864 --> 00:21:34,622
it now, and I'm going cold just just

593
00:21:34,622 --> 00:21:35,661
relating the story to you.

594
00:21:37,352 --> 00:21:38,487
I was recently

595
00:21:38,939 --> 00:21:41,320
indicator Alabama at a place called the Mc

596
00:21:41,399 --> 00:21:41,717
House,

597
00:21:42,431 --> 00:21:44,359
and we were filming a documentary,

598
00:21:44,812 --> 00:21:45,312
and

599
00:21:45,939 --> 00:21:48,910
the camera equipment was just going haywire. So

600
00:21:49,048 --> 00:21:51,360
my Dp said, hey, could you just... We

601
00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:53,273
get it or on your turf, but just

602
00:21:53,273 --> 00:21:55,356
let it be? And then everything went to

603
00:21:55,356 --> 00:21:57,839
normal again. But she and I in different

604
00:21:57,894 --> 00:21:58,871
parts of the house

605
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,544
during different parts of the day without saying

606
00:22:01,544 --> 00:22:02,258
it to each other,

607
00:22:02,908 --> 00:22:05,374
both felt the same things, a cold... The

608
00:22:05,374 --> 00:22:07,522
house is on a river. Yeah. Cold wet

609
00:22:07,522 --> 00:22:09,192
hand, grabbing our right ankle.

610
00:22:10,083 --> 00:22:10,482
Interesting.

611
00:22:10,961 --> 00:22:13,354
Both times the right ankle. Both times the

612
00:22:13,354 --> 00:22:15,768
right ankle. I wonder if there's some significance

613
00:22:15,826 --> 00:22:18,139
to that. I I could feel It was

614
00:22:18,139 --> 00:22:19,336
cold and wet.

615
00:22:20,389 --> 00:22:22,626
What you said about the equipment is interesting

616
00:22:22,626 --> 00:22:25,583
too, because usually, they seem to want acknowledgment.

617
00:22:25,742 --> 00:22:27,340
And if you just treat them with that

618
00:22:27,340 --> 00:22:29,509
kind of respect, I'm not saying you a

619
00:22:29,509 --> 00:22:31,819
disrespectful. I'm saying it doesn't occur to most

620
00:22:31,819 --> 00:22:33,491
people that go into a place and ask

621
00:22:33,491 --> 00:22:35,084
bin air to be nice. You know? It

622
00:22:35,084 --> 00:22:38,445
just... It's it's not logical for. It's it

623
00:22:38,445 --> 00:22:39,959
seemed logical to us. We be like, hey,

624
00:22:40,038 --> 00:22:41,472
we get it. We're on your turf, but

625
00:22:41,472 --> 00:22:42,826
we're just gonna be here for a short

626
00:22:42,826 --> 00:22:43,145
while.

627
00:22:43,942 --> 00:22:45,614
But but it was only after you said

628
00:22:45,614 --> 00:22:46,752
that that your equipment

629
00:22:47,064 --> 00:22:49,381
stops going on there. That is true. Yeah.

630
00:22:49,541 --> 00:22:51,219
So it's it's almost when you make that

631
00:22:51,219 --> 00:22:53,536
that acknowledgement, that, hey, yes. I understand this

632
00:22:53,536 --> 00:22:54,095
is your term.

633
00:22:55,068 --> 00:22:57,142
Please meet us halfway will be respectful and

634
00:22:57,142 --> 00:22:58,020
then we'll be on our way.

635
00:22:58,818 --> 00:23:01,052
It's amazing how often that works well. Yeah.

636
00:23:01,291 --> 00:23:04,496
Although that the hands were disconcerting. And it

637
00:23:04,496 --> 00:23:06,728
felt like different than whatever was messing with

638
00:23:06,728 --> 00:23:08,801
the... It you could... It's weird how you

639
00:23:08,801 --> 00:23:10,396
can feel the difference.

640
00:23:10,969 --> 00:23:13,366
Mh. To me at least. Yeah.

641
00:23:14,564 --> 00:23:17,440
Yeah. I love that kind of experience. Have

642
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,577
you ever been just downright terrified.

643
00:23:21,189 --> 00:23:24,444
Of ghosts, generally not. Yeah. I would say

644
00:23:24,444 --> 00:23:26,508
very disconcerting, but you have to be aware

645
00:23:26,508 --> 00:23:26,960
of

646
00:23:27,635 --> 00:23:29,065
of what you bring in with you, you

647
00:23:29,065 --> 00:23:29,224
know,

648
00:23:30,019 --> 00:23:31,847
what I mean by that is that if

649
00:23:31,847 --> 00:23:33,834
you bring a fearful approach to this, then

650
00:23:33,834 --> 00:23:35,582
you're more likely to encounter something,

651
00:23:36,631 --> 00:23:38,381
that will manifest and kind of feed on

652
00:23:38,381 --> 00:23:40,768
that fear. If you go in full of

653
00:23:40,768 --> 00:23:42,939
respect and courtesy and light and optimism

654
00:23:43,488 --> 00:23:45,396
generally your experience will be a positive 1.

655
00:23:45,634 --> 00:23:47,224
I mean, not a hundred percent at the

656
00:23:47,224 --> 00:23:48,042
time. But

657
00:23:48,575 --> 00:23:50,404
when you're in conversation with a stranger,

658
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,365
if you are nice and polite, friendly and

659
00:23:53,365 --> 00:23:53,865
personable.

660
00:23:54,404 --> 00:23:56,164
Chances are that interaction is gonna get better.

661
00:23:56,404 --> 00:23:58,005
Alright? They having a really bad day no

662
00:23:58,005 --> 00:23:58,805
matter what you say.

663
00:23:59,525 --> 00:24:01,205
It's gonna be bad, But for most people.

664
00:24:01,778 --> 00:24:03,605
I think that's true. And so the same

665
00:24:03,605 --> 00:24:05,751
is it's true this. I encourage people that

666
00:24:05,751 --> 00:24:08,930
are investigating or or visiting or locations, you

667
00:24:08,930 --> 00:24:10,304
know, show these people

668
00:24:10,694 --> 00:24:12,844
the same kind of courtesy in respect you

669
00:24:12,844 --> 00:24:13,800
want shown to you.

670
00:24:14,357 --> 00:24:15,711
And when you do that, it removes a

671
00:24:15,711 --> 00:24:18,260
lot of the fear. There's sometimes an a

672
00:24:18,260 --> 00:24:20,586
factor, you know, the serial killers I was

673
00:24:20,586 --> 00:24:22,840
like I said, that was definitely,

674
00:24:23,377 --> 00:24:25,450
you know, not a pleasant thing to experience.

675
00:24:26,247 --> 00:24:28,082
But for the most part,

676
00:24:28,894 --> 00:24:31,152
if you control your own mind and

677
00:24:31,530 --> 00:24:34,247
approach it in a rational and respectful weight,

678
00:24:34,486 --> 00:24:37,153
there's usually nothing to fit. Do you believe

679
00:24:37,209 --> 00:24:40,148
that we're all capable of seeing and or

680
00:24:40,148 --> 00:24:43,882
feeling them versus how mediums really can tune

681
00:24:43,882 --> 00:24:45,722
in. You think that's a gift that everybody

682
00:24:45,722 --> 00:24:47,785
has. They just don't necessarily... I think about

683
00:24:47,785 --> 00:24:50,800
kids, kids seem to be really open. And

684
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,958
then as you get older, you are hold

685
00:24:52,958 --> 00:24:54,311
that, oh, no, it's on your head or

686
00:24:54,311 --> 00:24:55,903
there's nobody in the closet or under your

687
00:24:55,903 --> 00:24:58,370
bed or whatever. Yeah. That medium seemed to

688
00:24:58,370 --> 00:25:00,414
have a way to figure out how to

689
00:25:00,613 --> 00:25:03,074
get past the gatekeepers. Do you think we're

690
00:25:03,074 --> 00:25:04,185
all capable of that?

691
00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:06,646
I don't know that we're all capable as

692
00:25:06,646 --> 00:25:09,047
adults in the same way that we're not

693
00:25:09,047 --> 00:25:12,078
all capable of performing certain functions or tasks.

694
00:25:12,477 --> 00:25:13,992
Some people have an aptitude attitude. Some people

695
00:25:13,992 --> 00:25:16,385
have a an artistic aptitude, but can have

696
00:25:16,385 --> 00:25:18,710
no formal training and yet be able draw

697
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:21,010
paint or sculpt the most beautiful thing. And

698
00:25:21,010 --> 00:25:22,756
then there are others that work hard and

699
00:25:22,756 --> 00:25:24,366
painstaking we to develop

700
00:25:24,739 --> 00:25:26,910
that to. I think that's possible in some

701
00:25:26,910 --> 00:25:28,990
cases as well. But do I think we're

702
00:25:28,990 --> 00:25:31,309
all sensitive? There's adults not necessarily,

703
00:25:32,109 --> 00:25:33,710
as children, as you pointed out,

704
00:25:34,284 --> 00:25:36,282
you know, I still vividly remember being a

705
00:25:36,282 --> 00:25:38,759
a young boy, and you believe that there

706
00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:40,278
are fairies at the bottom of the garden

707
00:25:40,278 --> 00:25:42,835
and you believe that magic is real. And

708
00:25:43,649 --> 00:25:45,404
you know, you you're exposed to those kind

709
00:25:45,404 --> 00:25:48,036
of stories and you don't question it, which

710
00:25:48,036 --> 00:25:48,674
is good,

711
00:25:49,472 --> 00:25:51,865
and then the world kinda catches up with

712
00:25:51,865 --> 00:25:54,134
you, you know, and you learn about skepticism

713
00:25:54,270 --> 00:25:56,975
and cy and mock and the cruelty of

714
00:25:56,975 --> 00:25:59,520
other children, and we stop believing in magic.

715
00:25:59,918 --> 00:26:02,066
And so I think belief underpins a lot

716
00:26:02,066 --> 00:26:04,395
of the spiel, what you believe is is

717
00:26:04,395 --> 00:26:05,433
a huge significance.

718
00:26:06,071 --> 00:26:06,550
Mh.

719
00:26:07,987 --> 00:26:09,903
What do you think of the idea of

720
00:26:09,903 --> 00:26:10,382
mimics?

721
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:15,408
Certainly, mimic has happened to me. I think

722
00:26:15,408 --> 00:26:18,449
that, it's tempting to as prescribe that to

723
00:26:18,664 --> 00:26:22,019
a malicious, male malevolent entity, because sound really

724
00:26:22,019 --> 00:26:22,818
sinister. Right?

725
00:26:23,617 --> 00:26:25,775
The idea of, of of seeing another version

726
00:26:25,775 --> 00:26:28,332
of you or Do gang or hearing your

727
00:26:28,332 --> 00:26:28,832
voice

728
00:26:29,291 --> 00:26:30,730
come from a place where you are not.

729
00:26:31,224 --> 00:26:34,279
But I also wonder about things, like alternate

730
00:26:34,657 --> 00:26:35,695
explanations, time slips,

731
00:26:36,732 --> 00:26:38,669
interactions with other dimensions, ultimate

732
00:26:39,287 --> 00:26:40,085
universes, you know,

733
00:26:41,372 --> 00:26:43,514
is this an alternate version of us bleeding

734
00:26:43,514 --> 00:26:47,006
over into our world, is this a future

735
00:26:47,006 --> 00:26:48,672
or past version of us?

736
00:26:49,243 --> 00:26:51,550
That we are encountering. And and it it

737
00:26:51,550 --> 00:26:53,221
comes back to the idea that, you know,

738
00:26:53,380 --> 00:26:55,289
we equate ghosts to dead people.

739
00:26:56,258 --> 00:26:58,087
I think it may in some cases be

740
00:26:58,087 --> 00:27:00,631
far weird than that. I like that theory.

741
00:27:01,028 --> 00:27:04,701
It's no less viable an idea. Than that

742
00:27:04,701 --> 00:27:06,375
we survived death and we're able to talk

743
00:27:06,375 --> 00:27:08,287
to the living? There are a lot of

744
00:27:08,287 --> 00:27:11,474
tiktok accounts that do the the E, the

745
00:27:11,474 --> 00:27:13,227
ghost boxes. What do you think about those?

746
00:27:14,438 --> 00:27:16,434
So ghost boxes, they're a tool that I

747
00:27:16,434 --> 00:27:17,253
use sparingly.

748
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:18,370
Audio

749
00:27:19,147 --> 00:27:21,063
is a thing. And Paranoia. I don't know

750
00:27:21,063 --> 00:27:22,500
if you're familiar with the Ted. I am.

751
00:27:22,992 --> 00:27:24,423
Okay. But did but they may not be.

752
00:27:24,820 --> 00:27:27,306
To just for your viewers or listeners, paranoia

753
00:27:27,521 --> 00:27:29,880
is the idea that our brain desperately wants

754
00:27:29,999 --> 00:27:32,233
to create sense out of chaos.

755
00:27:32,951 --> 00:27:34,707
A great example of Paranoia is the man

756
00:27:34,707 --> 00:27:36,382
of the moon. You look to put the

757
00:27:36,382 --> 00:27:38,232
moon, you're told there's face. And as soon

758
00:27:38,232 --> 00:27:39,907
as you see it, you cannot see it.

759
00:27:40,306 --> 00:27:41,902
You look at a cloud, you see what

760
00:27:41,902 --> 00:27:43,976
looks like an elephant chasing a dragon or

761
00:27:43,976 --> 00:27:45,905
whatever. And then you cannot see it. Now,

762
00:27:45,984 --> 00:27:48,216
of course, these are obviously random pants. There

763
00:27:48,216 --> 00:27:50,369
isn't literally a face on the moon. But

764
00:27:50,369 --> 00:27:52,942
our brain struggles to make sense

765
00:27:53,333 --> 00:27:55,644
out of the... Chaos. It wants to turn

766
00:27:55,644 --> 00:27:58,113
the chaos into be ordered familiar. A lot

767
00:27:58,113 --> 00:27:59,728
of the time, the spirit boxes

768
00:28:00,438 --> 00:28:02,608
the way those sessions will often work

769
00:28:03,063 --> 00:28:04,972
will be that you'll hear the kind of

770
00:28:04,972 --> 00:28:06,745
random static, the crack holder

771
00:28:08,008 --> 00:28:09,778
And then you hear a burst of noise

772
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:10,730
because.

773
00:28:11,579 --> 00:28:13,880
And the host will say something like, it

774
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:14,912
said kill jeff.

775
00:28:16,117 --> 00:28:17,942
And now all your breaking in here when

776
00:28:17,942 --> 00:28:20,822
they replayed is k jeff. You've you've been

777
00:28:20,957 --> 00:28:21,909
auto suggested.

778
00:28:22,464 --> 00:28:22,861
Suggestion,

779
00:28:23,496 --> 00:28:25,984
confirmation bias, those are huge when it comes

780
00:28:25,984 --> 00:28:26,785
to spirit boxes.

781
00:28:27,345 --> 00:28:29,605
There's a real danger that the ear

782
00:28:30,065 --> 00:28:31,664
here's what it wants to hear.

783
00:28:32,237 --> 00:28:34,463
You know, there are some great content creators

784
00:28:34,463 --> 00:28:37,167
on social media, and there are also some

785
00:28:37,167 --> 00:28:38,064
absolute shi.

786
00:28:38,518 --> 00:28:42,113
Yeah. There are some delusional individuals that are

787
00:28:42,113 --> 00:28:43,092
doing it to a

788
00:28:43,630 --> 00:28:45,727
themselves. And then there are the genuine storyteller

789
00:28:45,786 --> 00:28:48,021
that are really passionate about telling truthful stories.

790
00:28:48,420 --> 00:28:50,096
So as as with any other field in

791
00:28:50,096 --> 00:28:51,808
life, I think evaluate

792
00:28:52,266 --> 00:28:53,085
and choose

793
00:28:53,462 --> 00:28:56,174
your mentors, your role models, the people you

794
00:28:56,174 --> 00:28:57,689
look up to choose them carefully.

795
00:28:58,168 --> 00:29:00,321
Find those creators that have integrity,

796
00:29:01,133 --> 00:29:03,198
and that are interested in in telling the

797
00:29:03,198 --> 00:29:05,422
story. There are far too many out there

798
00:29:05,422 --> 00:29:07,566
that are trading on, you know, the night.

799
00:29:07,805 --> 00:29:09,552
I almost died in the demon house of

800
00:29:09,552 --> 00:29:09,869
death.

801
00:29:10,917 --> 00:29:12,583
And I've been to many of these houses

802
00:29:12,583 --> 00:29:13,932
isn't had someone of the best life I

803
00:29:13,932 --> 00:29:15,518
sleep in my life. I'm not saying they're

804
00:29:15,518 --> 00:29:18,216
not necessarily haunted. I'm saying that it's a

805
00:29:18,216 --> 00:29:19,820
race to the bottom them in terms of

806
00:29:19,820 --> 00:29:22,047
who can say the most shocking thing who

807
00:29:22,047 --> 00:29:25,172
can, you know, make the most horrifying claims

808
00:29:25,547 --> 00:29:27,218
or for views or for clicks.

809
00:29:28,109 --> 00:29:28,428
Right?

810
00:29:29,624 --> 00:29:32,496
You started a society to investigate all... What

811
00:29:32,496 --> 00:29:34,272
year did you start that the paranormal

812
00:29:35,048 --> 00:29:38,893
investigation society? Poe founded that with my watch

813
00:29:38,893 --> 00:29:40,091
lori in 2005,

814
00:29:40,331 --> 00:29:42,967
I believe it was. And it... It's no

815
00:29:42,967 --> 00:29:44,645
longer active in that form.

816
00:29:45,296 --> 00:29:47,838
Primarily what it does now is, myself in

817
00:29:47,838 --> 00:29:49,507
a small group of trusted colleagues.

818
00:29:50,063 --> 00:29:50,563
We

819
00:29:51,334 --> 00:29:53,002
investigate haunted locations,

820
00:29:53,575 --> 00:29:56,134
Very rarely we'll do health cases, but

821
00:29:56,535 --> 00:29:58,295
private cases, but for the most part, we

822
00:29:58,295 --> 00:30:00,214
invested haunted locations as part of my book

823
00:30:00,214 --> 00:30:00,615
projects.

824
00:30:01,575 --> 00:30:01,734
Okay.

825
00:30:02,388 --> 00:30:03,661
Do you think Or are a thing?

826
00:30:05,252 --> 00:30:08,593
I think the vast majority of Or, 99.9

827
00:30:08,593 --> 00:30:08,991
percent of them.

828
00:30:09,642 --> 00:30:09,880
Are,

829
00:30:10,516 --> 00:30:12,345
poll, dan dust, insects,

830
00:30:13,299 --> 00:30:15,366
particles that get very close to a lens,

831
00:30:15,843 --> 00:30:17,911
and then they almost always appear when a

832
00:30:17,911 --> 00:30:18,547
flash is used.

833
00:30:19,198 --> 00:30:20,312
Which is a big giveaway.

834
00:30:20,709 --> 00:30:22,778
I started investigating in the mid nineties when

835
00:30:22,778 --> 00:30:24,766
there were no digital cameras, we did not

836
00:30:24,766 --> 00:30:25,243
get or.

837
00:30:26,294 --> 00:30:26,614
Why?

838
00:30:27,253 --> 00:30:29,171
Well, number 1, we were really careful about

839
00:30:29,171 --> 00:30:31,249
where we took pictures because you had to

840
00:30:31,249 --> 00:30:33,726
pay to have them developed, which meant that

841
00:30:33,726 --> 00:30:36,215
rather than just fire off, you know, burst

842
00:30:36,215 --> 00:30:37,966
of them in a row in a a

843
00:30:37,966 --> 00:30:40,990
very dusty underground basement or tunnel or whatever,

844
00:30:41,706 --> 00:30:43,935
you chose your shots carefully. When you did

845
00:30:43,935 --> 00:30:46,444
use a flash, the flash was usually

846
00:30:46,744 --> 00:30:48,984
offset from the lens more than it is

847
00:30:48,984 --> 00:30:49,544
on a phone.

848
00:30:50,345 --> 00:30:52,024
Problem with the old effect is you get

849
00:30:52,024 --> 00:30:54,826
this flash, the photons go out. They hit

850
00:30:54,826 --> 00:30:57,154
this object that's close to the lens. Relatively

851
00:30:57,289 --> 00:30:58,879
small particle of called a above whatever it

852
00:30:58,879 --> 00:31:01,025
might be a droplet of moisture. They come

853
00:31:01,025 --> 00:31:03,660
right back, at a very narrow angle and

854
00:31:03,660 --> 00:31:05,327
you get that all effect.

855
00:31:06,041 --> 00:31:08,129
This has really been a phenomenon that's

856
00:31:08,740 --> 00:31:10,589
unique to the age of the digital camera

857
00:31:10,819 --> 00:31:14,079
when photographs became very affordable. They're free. So

858
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:16,147
you can shoot a thousand photographs in a

859
00:31:16,147 --> 00:31:18,771
night, then we talked about Para, it didn't

860
00:31:18,771 --> 00:31:21,018
we. The idea that you look at this

861
00:31:21,018 --> 00:31:23,091
glow or and you see a face and

862
00:31:23,091 --> 00:31:25,165
if you're suggestive enough. And also,

863
00:31:25,643 --> 00:31:27,557
you know, 1 of the concerning things is

864
00:31:27,557 --> 00:31:28,216
if you're

865
00:31:28,767 --> 00:31:31,314
breathe if you really want to believe as

866
00:31:31,314 --> 00:31:33,144
we all do that the dead are not

867
00:31:33,144 --> 00:31:33,861
gone forever,

868
00:31:34,259 --> 00:31:36,032
you perhaps your brain

869
00:31:36,422 --> 00:31:38,251
influences you to think that kinda of looks

870
00:31:38,251 --> 00:31:40,477
like my lost loved 1. When in reality,

871
00:31:40,557 --> 00:31:42,545
it's it's a perfectly natural phenomenon.

872
00:31:43,181 --> 00:31:46,140
That being said, there are also light phenomena

873
00:31:46,140 --> 00:31:48,608
which aren't explain in that way. If you're

874
00:31:48,608 --> 00:31:50,997
seeing these lights with the naked eye, there's

875
00:31:50,997 --> 00:31:53,642
no camera flash involved. Then you've got something

876
00:31:53,642 --> 00:31:55,396
that's harder to explain, and then I'm very

877
00:31:55,396 --> 00:31:56,034
much interested.

878
00:31:56,752 --> 00:31:57,231
Mh.

879
00:31:58,028 --> 00:32:00,421
I was... Again, this is D. There's a

880
00:32:00,421 --> 00:32:02,516
bank building there that is no longer

881
00:32:03,067 --> 00:32:04,738
a viable bank. It's a museum,

882
00:32:05,374 --> 00:32:05,874
and

883
00:32:06,329 --> 00:32:08,635
I went into the safe. They have said

884
00:32:08,635 --> 00:32:09,510
that it was haunted.

885
00:32:09,988 --> 00:32:13,187
And I tried using my phones recording, just

886
00:32:13,187 --> 00:32:15,655
the the voice recorder didn't get anything.

887
00:32:16,053 --> 00:32:17,965
And then I remembered I have that app

888
00:32:17,965 --> 00:32:18,363
that,

889
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:19,876
is for sleeping,

890
00:32:20,448 --> 00:32:22,439
that, you know, it's it's a att to

891
00:32:22,439 --> 00:32:25,066
be able to pick up the tiniest tiniest

892
00:32:25,066 --> 00:32:27,057
sound and then turn off if you're breathing

893
00:32:27,057 --> 00:32:29,221
or whatever. Right. And I thought I'm gonna

894
00:32:29,221 --> 00:32:31,050
use that and see what I get. So

895
00:32:31,210 --> 00:32:33,459
I sat in there by myself door shut

896
00:32:33,675 --> 00:32:34,391
with this thing.

897
00:32:35,345 --> 00:32:37,095
And I'll began, there was a little girls.

898
00:32:37,349 --> 00:32:38,938
Saying her tummy hurt, and there was a

899
00:32:38,938 --> 00:32:39,756
man w

900
00:32:40,209 --> 00:32:41,877
a whole tune, and I came out of

901
00:32:41,877 --> 00:32:43,943
the vault, and I went into the office,

902
00:32:44,102 --> 00:32:45,691
and I said, these are the things I

903
00:32:45,691 --> 00:32:47,545
got, And then Was like, oh, yeah. That

904
00:32:47,545 --> 00:32:49,224
cesar are. 2 of the people that are

905
00:32:49,224 --> 00:32:50,825
here and I thought, is she just saying

906
00:32:50,825 --> 00:32:52,744
that here. Did I really get that? No.

907
00:32:52,904 --> 00:32:54,837
I'm all I me. That's terrific. You have

908
00:32:54,837 --> 00:32:57,648
some... Eye witness testimony to to act as

909
00:32:57,866 --> 00:32:59,880
verification. You clearly have

910
00:33:00,416 --> 00:33:02,664
voices that were not present. At the time.

911
00:33:02,904 --> 00:33:04,182
Like, you didn't hear them with your own

912
00:33:04,182 --> 00:33:07,140
voice. Nobody was speaking. That is far more

913
00:33:07,140 --> 00:33:10,197
impressive to me than they're just crackling his

914
00:33:10,256 --> 00:33:11,615
static that may or may not have been

915
00:33:11,615 --> 00:33:11,935
a voice.

916
00:33:12,666 --> 00:33:12,985
Yeah.

917
00:33:13,622 --> 00:33:15,771
So yeah. Give me give me a good

918
00:33:15,930 --> 00:33:17,681
E. I'm I'm a a big fan of

919
00:33:17,681 --> 00:33:19,932
those. The book about the

920
00:33:20,324 --> 00:33:21,918
funeral home in Ontario.

921
00:33:22,397 --> 00:33:24,789
Is that out now? Out next month. The

922
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:27,898
bloomberg. Very exciting. I interviewed them, and I

923
00:33:27,898 --> 00:33:29,769
want to go stay there desperately?

924
00:33:30,466 --> 00:33:32,462
You should. It's terrific. Sleep 1 I have.

925
00:33:33,579 --> 00:33:36,134
How is your personal experience there. I know

926
00:33:36,134 --> 00:33:37,251
you've got the books. So let's talk a

927
00:33:37,251 --> 00:33:38,938
little bit The books coming out. Let's talk

928
00:33:38,938 --> 00:33:39,177
about it.

929
00:33:40,290 --> 00:33:41,960
Yeah. I mean, that... That's 1 of the

930
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,050
more active locations I've ever investigated.

931
00:33:44,663 --> 00:33:47,304
The the Tv show The only criticism Have

932
00:33:47,304 --> 00:33:48,420
of the show was that it was too

933
00:33:48,420 --> 00:33:49,694
short. I wish you'd have been twice as

934
00:33:49,694 --> 00:33:51,606
long, because I think there's such a colorful

935
00:33:51,606 --> 00:33:53,917
family and there's such a rich seem to

936
00:33:53,917 --> 00:33:55,373
be mined there storytelling.

937
00:33:56,002 --> 00:33:57,507
But they were nice enough to give me

938
00:33:57,507 --> 00:33:59,171
complete access to the house and to them,

939
00:33:59,567 --> 00:34:01,310
we we put them to work. We taught

940
00:34:01,310 --> 00:34:02,523
them how to investigate.

941
00:34:03,470 --> 00:34:05,630
Rather than just kind of peripheral characters in

942
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:06,909
the book, they are the core of the

943
00:34:06,909 --> 00:34:08,210
book. We had

944
00:34:08,510 --> 00:34:08,829
communications,

945
00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:12,349
what 1 that really brought to everybody's eye.

946
00:34:13,083 --> 00:34:16,433
Was that, noah, the the teenage daughter. She

947
00:34:16,433 --> 00:34:19,145
has the entire third floor to herself. For

948
00:34:19,145 --> 00:34:21,538
a while, she'd been hearing footsteps walking around

949
00:34:21,538 --> 00:34:23,710
the third floor while, she was alone of

950
00:34:23,710 --> 00:34:25,469
that. And then would wake up in the

951
00:34:25,469 --> 00:34:27,630
night several times because she felt somebody sitting

952
00:34:27,630 --> 00:34:29,309
on the end of a bad. And when

953
00:34:29,309 --> 00:34:30,349
she would wake up and look up those,

954
00:34:30,510 --> 00:34:30,909
Not that.

955
00:34:31,724 --> 00:34:32,125
So,

956
00:34:32,684 --> 00:34:35,085
we tried a few methods of research. Got

957
00:34:35,085 --> 00:34:36,224
some interesting E.

958
00:34:36,844 --> 00:34:39,405
Finally, threw down a talking board, and I

959
00:34:39,405 --> 00:34:41,577
know that many people have biased against talking

960
00:34:41,577 --> 00:34:43,565
board or ou your board. It's a tool

961
00:34:43,565 --> 00:34:44,996
like any other and as long as you

962
00:34:44,996 --> 00:34:48,042
set, good boundaries and intent. It's it's no

963
00:34:48,257 --> 00:34:50,583
more harmful, I believe. We're than using any

964
00:34:50,583 --> 00:34:51,962
other method of attempted

965
00:34:52,341 --> 00:34:55,856
communication. We made contact with a communicator that

966
00:34:55,856 --> 00:34:56,835
claimed to be

967
00:34:57,149 --> 00:34:59,222
a local lady who had

968
00:34:59,860 --> 00:35:02,012
not died in the funeral hub, but her

969
00:35:02,012 --> 00:35:04,244
husband came through the funeral arm and she'd

970
00:35:04,244 --> 00:35:05,440
been here because of his funeral.

971
00:35:06,012 --> 00:35:07,068
She had died locally,

972
00:35:07,521 --> 00:35:07,917
and

973
00:35:08,393 --> 00:35:10,616
was still around and was drawn to noah

974
00:35:10,616 --> 00:35:11,965
because she missed her own children.

975
00:35:12,838 --> 00:35:12,997
Now,

976
00:35:14,283 --> 00:35:16,588
I'm always health skeptical of of talking boards.

977
00:35:17,224 --> 00:35:19,609
So because there are those theories never valid

978
00:35:19,609 --> 00:35:22,195
that sometimes what you're doing. Is you are

979
00:35:22,255 --> 00:35:24,094
communicating with the subconscious of 1 or more

980
00:35:24,094 --> 00:35:24,994
of the participants

981
00:35:25,454 --> 00:35:28,195
that they are moving that plan share without

982
00:35:28,255 --> 00:35:30,665
consciously knowing they're doing it. You know, that

983
00:35:30,665 --> 00:35:31,143
is a thing.

984
00:35:31,860 --> 00:35:33,294
So I decided to test it.

985
00:35:34,648 --> 00:35:36,081
Upstairs in the kitchen. We were down in

986
00:35:36,081 --> 00:35:37,992
the cellar in what was the old and

987
00:35:37,992 --> 00:35:39,763
farming room. So I went upstairs to the

988
00:35:39,763 --> 00:35:41,462
kitchen my aaron, the dad

989
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,158
was preparing dinner, and I said Aaron, Once

990
00:35:44,158 --> 00:35:45,755
you do me a favor, I want you

991
00:35:45,755 --> 00:35:46,576
to write

992
00:35:46,968 --> 00:35:48,320
on this piece of paper,

993
00:35:48,877 --> 00:35:50,786
a number between 1 and a hundred. Do

994
00:35:50,786 --> 00:35:51,980
not tell me what it is. I'm going

995
00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:53,889
back downstairs, but write it, leave it face

996
00:35:53,889 --> 00:35:55,082
up on the kitchen counter.

997
00:35:55,813 --> 00:35:58,121
And he did. And then we had this

998
00:35:58,121 --> 00:36:00,748
session, you know, it was very emotional for

999
00:36:00,748 --> 00:36:04,091
everybody, especially for Noah, and her mom, I

1000
00:36:04,091 --> 00:36:04,909
asked the board

1001
00:36:05,539 --> 00:36:07,528
Do me a favor. Would you please write

1002
00:36:07,528 --> 00:36:08,506
theirs and

1003
00:36:09,041 --> 00:36:10,791
look at the piece of paper on the

1004
00:36:10,791 --> 00:36:12,304
counter and tell me that number.

1005
00:36:13,355 --> 00:36:15,355
Now there's a 1 in a hundred percent

1006
00:36:15,355 --> 00:36:17,835
chance you could get this sprite randomly or

1007
00:36:17,835 --> 00:36:18,474
by guess word.

1008
00:36:19,195 --> 00:36:20,635
Those are not gray odds. The number of

1009
00:36:20,714 --> 00:36:22,155
Are chosen was 78.

1010
00:36:23,126 --> 00:36:23,921
The plan shut,

1011
00:36:24,557 --> 00:36:27,282
and we notice the time. The plan went

1012
00:36:27,577 --> 00:36:28,077
to

1013
00:36:28,452 --> 00:36:28,769
7,

1014
00:36:29,485 --> 00:36:32,129
then 8. Then 7 again, and then still

1015
00:36:32,129 --> 00:36:32,607
off the board.

1016
00:36:33,724 --> 00:36:34,760
So I'm, like,

1017
00:36:35,558 --> 00:36:37,255
78 or 87

1018
00:36:37,313 --> 00:36:38,748
and the plan chat, we put it back

1019
00:36:38,748 --> 00:36:39,626
on and say, yes.

1020
00:36:40,995 --> 00:36:42,748
I texted Aaron what was that number and

1021
00:36:42,748 --> 00:36:44,523
he sent me a photograph, and

1022
00:36:45,139 --> 00:36:45,639
the

1023
00:36:46,015 --> 00:36:47,130
the the board was right.

1024
00:36:47,943 --> 00:36:50,177
So now this still doesn't mean that people,

1025
00:36:50,496 --> 00:36:53,230
It could be an interesting form of psychic

1026
00:36:53,527 --> 00:36:54,266
information transfer.

1027
00:36:54,899 --> 00:36:56,894
Maybe Heather is so in tune with our

1028
00:36:56,894 --> 00:36:59,630
husband that she was without knowing it subconsciously

1029
00:36:59,688 --> 00:37:02,642
literally reading his mind. That's also as possible

1030
00:37:02,642 --> 00:37:04,733
as dead people. But they're good friends of

1031
00:37:04,733 --> 00:37:06,491
mine, but still, I I try not to

1032
00:37:06,491 --> 00:37:08,409
leave stones and turn. So I said, Heather,

1033
00:37:08,568 --> 00:37:10,166
I'm really sorry to ask you this, but

1034
00:37:10,166 --> 00:37:11,365
may I see your phone.

1035
00:37:11,858 --> 00:37:13,682
I need to see your text messages with

1036
00:37:13,761 --> 00:37:14,633
Aaron and your husband.

1037
00:37:15,426 --> 00:37:16,853
My skeptical side was like,

1038
00:37:17,964 --> 00:37:19,153
if they were gonna fake this,

1039
00:37:19,962 --> 00:37:22,106
He could just have texted her that number

1040
00:37:22,106 --> 00:37:24,251
the minute. I went downstairs And I would

1041
00:37:24,251 --> 00:37:24,727
never know.

1042
00:37:25,362 --> 00:37:26,871
And so I looked at her text string

1043
00:37:26,871 --> 00:37:28,798
for the day, and There's all, you know,

1044
00:37:29,038 --> 00:37:31,036
Min share, Mundane stuff, and nothing to do

1045
00:37:31,036 --> 00:37:33,594
with a number. There is no way that

1046
00:37:33,594 --> 00:37:34,094
board

1047
00:37:34,713 --> 00:37:36,311
could randomly have come up with that number.

1048
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:38,402
1 in a hundred percent chance. Yeah.

1049
00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:40,258
So

1050
00:37:40,795 --> 00:37:44,065
it was a very fulfilling and very emotional,

1051
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:48,148
Ou board session down in the. And bombing

1052
00:37:48,148 --> 00:37:49,427
room of that old funeral.

1053
00:37:50,226 --> 00:37:52,783
Oh, that's so cool. I really wanna go

1054
00:37:52,783 --> 00:37:52,943
there.

1055
00:37:54,461 --> 00:37:54,961
Absolutely

1056
00:37:55,672 --> 00:37:57,838
How do you go about picking

1057
00:37:58,290 --> 00:37:59,163
where you're gonna go?

1058
00:37:59,798 --> 00:38:01,941
I have a bucket list despite growing up

1059
00:38:01,941 --> 00:38:04,498
in Britain, I've always been a massive civil

1060
00:38:04,498 --> 00:38:05,375
war enthusiasts,

1061
00:38:06,492 --> 00:38:08,827
and also of Weston. So

1062
00:38:09,443 --> 00:38:11,517
last year, I decided I wanted to go,

1063
00:38:11,995 --> 00:38:13,511
experienced Tombstone, Arizona.

1064
00:38:14,244 --> 00:38:15,921
So I got together my small team of

1065
00:38:15,921 --> 00:38:18,236
friends and fellow investigators, and we did an

1066
00:38:18,316 --> 00:38:19,034
Epic road trip.

1067
00:38:19,753 --> 00:38:21,131
We did haunted Tombstone.

1068
00:38:21,509 --> 00:38:22,867
We were lucky enough to get into the

1069
00:38:23,106 --> 00:38:23,585
Okay corral.

1070
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:24,797
For example,

1071
00:38:25,355 --> 00:38:27,110
which is somewhere I've always wanted to go

1072
00:38:27,110 --> 00:38:31,358
and investigate there. The, mines, the, silver mines

1073
00:38:31,417 --> 00:38:34,065
underneath the town because they're investigating there. And

1074
00:38:34,065 --> 00:38:35,025
then on the way back,

1075
00:38:35,585 --> 00:38:37,664
Lincoln County, New Mexico on the trail of

1076
00:38:37,744 --> 00:38:39,105
Billy D kid. Mh.

1077
00:38:39,824 --> 00:38:40,385
I'm really,

1078
00:38:40,864 --> 00:38:44,156
I am just... Fulfilling 1 lifelong bucket list.

1079
00:38:44,636 --> 00:38:47,193
And I'm taking readers along with me, and

1080
00:38:47,193 --> 00:38:50,405
fortunate that my friends are supportive that they

1081
00:38:50,405 --> 00:38:51,525
they will at the drop of the hat,

1082
00:38:51,684 --> 00:38:53,945
drive halfway across the country to go stay

1083
00:38:54,085 --> 00:38:56,644
in some haunted h because it sounds cool.

1084
00:38:57,379 --> 00:38:58,970
Yeah. Well, add me to that list. If

1085
00:38:58,970 --> 00:39:01,038
you ever need another person, I can have

1086
00:39:01,038 --> 00:39:03,742
a heavy lift. You never know. That it

1087
00:39:03,742 --> 00:39:05,668
depends on... I I get across the country.

1088
00:39:05,907 --> 00:39:07,022
I turn up in all kinds of weird

1089
00:39:07,022 --> 00:39:09,251
in wonderful places. So you never know. Yeah.

1090
00:39:09,570 --> 00:39:11,561
And you get to go to the house

1091
00:39:11,561 --> 00:39:12,937
of the shining, the

1092
00:39:13,489 --> 00:39:15,969
what is that hotel called? The The Stanley?

1093
00:39:16,369 --> 00:39:18,449
Yeah. The stanley? I gave tools there for

1094
00:39:18,449 --> 00:39:20,530
3 years, and I very much enjoyed it.

1095
00:39:20,864 --> 00:39:24,134
I can't write about that because I'll choose

1096
00:39:24,134 --> 00:39:25,091
my words carefully.

1097
00:39:25,729 --> 00:39:28,281
The the ghosts are not something that the

1098
00:39:29,398 --> 00:39:29,898
hotel

1099
00:39:31,088 --> 00:39:31,588
encourages

1100
00:39:31,965 --> 00:39:34,276
people to write about. Let's put it like

1101
00:39:34,276 --> 00:39:34,436
that,

1102
00:39:35,153 --> 00:39:37,305
which is unfortunate, but I certainly respect that

1103
00:39:37,305 --> 00:39:38,661
they have that opinion.

1104
00:39:39,232 --> 00:39:40,425
They have that right, rather.

1105
00:39:41,061 --> 00:39:42,571
How do they feel about the shining?

1106
00:39:43,366 --> 00:39:45,512
I I can't speak for for them? I

1107
00:39:45,512 --> 00:39:48,232
will say personally that without Stephen Cain, that

1108
00:39:48,232 --> 00:39:49,903
hotel would not still be in existence.

1109
00:39:50,699 --> 00:39:53,007
Stephen King really saved to stanley lam. It

1110
00:39:53,007 --> 00:39:53,666
was bankrupt

1111
00:39:54,121 --> 00:39:55,994
twice believe it was throughout its history

1112
00:39:56,454 --> 00:39:58,454
because it's now known as the shining hotel,

1113
00:39:58,934 --> 00:40:01,414
it attracts hundreds of thousands of visitors every

1114
00:40:01,414 --> 00:40:03,426
year, and there is so much more to

1115
00:40:03,426 --> 00:40:04,863
it. There is the rich history.

1116
00:40:05,342 --> 00:40:06,778
It's it's a very cool place to go.

1117
00:40:06,938 --> 00:40:08,215
I encourage anybody to visit.

1118
00:40:08,933 --> 00:40:11,500
There's so much more to it. Than the

1119
00:40:11,659 --> 00:40:13,967
Stephen king connection and the ghosts, but those

1120
00:40:13,967 --> 00:40:16,434
are still the 2 reasons people flock to

1121
00:40:16,434 --> 00:40:17,947
that hotel for Good for.

1122
00:40:18,678 --> 00:40:20,344
Of all the hotels you've been to, is

1123
00:40:20,344 --> 00:40:21,773
that 1 of the more haunted?

1124
00:40:23,121 --> 00:40:24,867
It absolutely in my experience lived up to

1125
00:40:24,867 --> 00:40:28,072
its reputation. It seems like, every hotel has

1126
00:40:28,072 --> 00:40:29,750
its ghost, in the same way that every

1127
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:32,228
hospital does. And and it's an open secret,

1128
00:40:32,387 --> 00:40:34,225
you know, with a lot of hotel managers

1129
00:40:34,225 --> 00:40:36,466
and owners. That there is usually at least

1130
00:40:36,466 --> 00:40:39,161
1 ghost story affiliated with every hotel. So

1131
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,619
I would say this Stanley definitely ranks high

1132
00:40:41,619 --> 00:40:42,333
up there. Am.

1133
00:40:42,983 --> 00:40:44,895
Definitely. But I've got a lot more to

1134
00:40:44,895 --> 00:40:45,692
try hopefully.

1135
00:40:46,727 --> 00:40:48,740
Do you... When you go into these places

1136
00:40:48,798 --> 00:40:49,457
that are

1137
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:51,608
allegedly haunted

1138
00:40:52,078 --> 00:40:54,624
Do you do any sort of protection practice

1139
00:40:54,624 --> 00:40:56,295
around yourself or do you are you all

1140
00:40:56,295 --> 00:40:58,682
walking protected person and everything you do?

1141
00:40:59,574 --> 00:41:00,852
I didn't use to. I used to,

1142
00:41:01,651 --> 00:41:03,968
actually sc at people the dead which is

1143
00:41:04,048 --> 00:41:06,659
Hub and Quite Arrogant. They say pride go

1144
00:41:06,859 --> 00:41:08,457
before the fall. So I ended up bringing

1145
00:41:08,457 --> 00:41:08,857
something

1146
00:41:09,416 --> 00:41:11,893
from a haunted location, something Unpleasant, I think.

1147
00:41:12,212 --> 00:41:14,425
Or the very least it was disruptive because

1148
00:41:14,543 --> 00:41:16,368
my wife and I was seeing shadow figures

1149
00:41:16,368 --> 00:41:18,668
inside the house. My dog would go, you

1150
00:41:18,668 --> 00:41:20,334
know, bananas when there was no 1 there.

1151
00:41:20,493 --> 00:41:22,237
We had a woman's voice calling and the

1152
00:41:22,237 --> 00:41:24,324
house. Things like that. And then the last

1153
00:41:24,324 --> 00:41:26,818
straw was when a bunch of framed photographs

1154
00:41:26,956 --> 00:41:29,190
just prepared to jump off of the mantle

1155
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:31,103
piece and almost landed on my cat who's

1156
00:41:31,103 --> 00:41:33,855
sleeping down below. And that's when I got

1157
00:41:33,994 --> 00:41:34,474
angry.

1158
00:41:35,114 --> 00:41:37,114
You know, mess with us, it's 1 that

1159
00:41:37,114 --> 00:41:39,114
you mess with my animals. We are going

1160
00:41:39,114 --> 00:41:39,514
to war.

1161
00:41:40,168 --> 00:41:42,555
So although, I'm an agnostic, I called a

1162
00:41:42,555 --> 00:41:44,384
friend of mine, Steven, who was a a

1163
00:41:44,384 --> 00:41:46,077
catholic priest and a a certified

1164
00:41:46,612 --> 00:41:46,985
and

1165
00:41:47,503 --> 00:41:49,180
He came to the house, and he blessed

1166
00:41:49,180 --> 00:41:51,255
the house. He spent about 2 hours going

1167
00:41:51,255 --> 00:41:53,411
from room to room. He would an annoy

1168
00:41:53,411 --> 00:41:54,869
the doorways and windows

1169
00:41:55,247 --> 00:41:57,436
with Holy Water crosses. And

1170
00:41:57,969 --> 00:41:59,479
I asked him, I, you know, Steven, I'm

1171
00:41:59,479 --> 00:42:01,148
an agnostic. I'm not a Christian is,

1172
00:42:01,943 --> 00:42:03,692
I I don't believe in in the same

1173
00:42:03,692 --> 00:42:05,202
thing you do, and he said, that's okay.

1174
00:42:06,014 --> 00:42:07,612
That you believe is what matters,

1175
00:42:08,332 --> 00:42:10,569
not specifically what you believe, which I found

1176
00:42:10,569 --> 00:42:13,047
very enlighten and interesting. And he went he

1177
00:42:13,047 --> 00:42:15,045
went systematically from room to room floor to

1178
00:42:15,045 --> 00:42:17,851
floor, almost as if you were sweeping dust

1179
00:42:17,851 --> 00:42:19,286
and dirt out of your home, you know,

1180
00:42:19,446 --> 00:42:21,200
you would go from the back to the

1181
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,556
front and then sweep it all out the

1182
00:42:22,556 --> 00:42:24,964
front door. That's what he did. And the

1183
00:42:24,964 --> 00:42:26,025
disturbances has stopped

1184
00:42:26,324 --> 00:42:29,525
instantly. Yeah. I think it's about boundaries. And

1185
00:42:30,164 --> 00:42:32,737
Yes. I agree. I feel like people have

1186
00:42:32,737 --> 00:42:35,131
dominion over themselves regardless if they believe in

1187
00:42:35,131 --> 00:42:37,445
a higher power or not or any of

1188
00:42:37,445 --> 00:42:39,574
this, and it's 1 of those things like

1189
00:42:40,091 --> 00:42:41,997
I think, well, maybe it's not whether I

1190
00:42:41,997 --> 00:42:43,586
believe in them, but whether they believe in

1191
00:42:43,586 --> 00:42:43,745
me.

1192
00:42:44,857 --> 00:42:46,367
I think you make a great point and

1193
00:42:46,367 --> 00:42:48,090
people do have to dominion know himself. So

1194
00:42:48,367 --> 00:42:50,432
I did learn some protection, and I will

1195
00:42:50,432 --> 00:42:53,369
set down verbally. When I leave a location,

1196
00:42:53,607 --> 00:42:53,925
I will,

1197
00:42:54,878 --> 00:42:55,378
categorically

1198
00:42:55,751 --> 00:42:56,251
state

1199
00:42:56,624 --> 00:42:57,124
that

1200
00:42:57,672 --> 00:42:59,902
nobody or nothing is permitted to attach to

1201
00:42:59,902 --> 00:43:01,996
me. Nothing can follow me from this place

1202
00:43:02,132 --> 00:43:04,362
or anybody that I'm with. And then I

1203
00:43:04,362 --> 00:43:06,369
envision. I do some basic light work just

1204
00:43:06,369 --> 00:43:08,761
some visualization of, like, a, you know, a

1205
00:43:08,761 --> 00:43:11,472
the golden kind of light that is coming

1206
00:43:11,472 --> 00:43:13,944
down from above, and it's kinda washing any

1207
00:43:13,944 --> 00:43:15,140
negativity, anything.

1208
00:43:15,554 --> 00:43:17,224
That may have attached to you out of

1209
00:43:17,224 --> 00:43:19,372
you going from top to bottom, and then

1210
00:43:19,372 --> 00:43:21,440
you leave it behind, like, an ic muddy

1211
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,123
puddle on the floor out of it go.

1212
00:43:23,361 --> 00:43:25,105
And it really is just giving a focus

1213
00:43:25,105 --> 00:43:27,325
to that very specific belief I think.

1214
00:43:28,118 --> 00:43:30,755
Yeah. Since I've done that, There's an old

1215
00:43:30,755 --> 00:43:32,275
saying if it sounds stupid and it works,

1216
00:43:32,434 --> 00:43:34,755
it's not stupid, and this is officially not

1217
00:43:34,755 --> 00:43:35,255
stupid

1218
00:43:35,795 --> 00:43:37,315
because it's it's worked for me ever since.

1219
00:43:37,729 --> 00:43:40,203
Do you think when you pass away, do

1220
00:43:40,203 --> 00:43:41,981
you wanna stick around for a minute and

1221
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:43,875
do a little ghost action or do you

1222
00:43:43,875 --> 00:43:45,790
wanna go wherever it is to go?

1223
00:43:46,602 --> 00:43:48,828
My my fault is that... Again, I think

1224
00:43:48,828 --> 00:43:50,736
it common mistake we make. You talk about

1225
00:43:50,736 --> 00:43:52,963
a place being haunted, and we tend to

1226
00:43:52,963 --> 00:43:55,608
assume it's always wanted. 03:00 in the morning

1227
00:43:55,608 --> 00:43:58,405
on Ban Holiday, Monday, it's haunted Christmas day

1228
00:43:58,405 --> 00:44:00,482
at 9, it's haunted. It's haunted Wednesday night.

1229
00:44:00,882 --> 00:44:02,101
I kinda of think

1230
00:44:02,733 --> 00:44:04,399
if there's any such thing as, you know,

1231
00:44:04,557 --> 00:44:06,779
the free will in the next life or

1232
00:44:06,779 --> 00:44:09,318
or whatever form it takes. I like to

1233
00:44:09,318 --> 00:44:10,770
think we get to travel

1234
00:44:11,318 --> 00:44:13,789
and we get to visit and revisit. The

1235
00:44:13,789 --> 00:44:16,340
mediums that say that spirits don't experience time

1236
00:44:16,340 --> 00:44:18,174
in the same ways as the living. I

1237
00:44:18,174 --> 00:44:20,580
find that very encouraging. I hope I can

1238
00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:22,732
revisit my childhood. I hope I can revisit

1239
00:44:22,732 --> 00:44:24,007
places and times long gone.

1240
00:44:24,804 --> 00:44:27,090
Maybe bounce ahead into the future who knows

1241
00:44:27,289 --> 00:44:28,960
I like to think that there will be

1242
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,416
variety that we are not

1243
00:44:30,871 --> 00:44:34,874
psychic shack or chained to 1 specific

1244
00:44:35,583 --> 00:44:38,444
time and place. That's my my hope. It

1245
00:44:38,444 --> 00:44:39,795
makes no sense to me that,

1246
00:44:40,590 --> 00:44:42,577
a being of some other form of energy

1247
00:44:42,577 --> 00:44:45,132
that's no longer subject to the rules of,

1248
00:44:45,291 --> 00:44:47,592
you know, earthly physics. Why would you be

1249
00:44:47,592 --> 00:44:49,101
stuck in 1 place? It just doesn't make

1250
00:44:49,101 --> 00:44:51,344
sense. I like that thought to that we

1251
00:44:51,344 --> 00:44:53,581
can go anywhere at any time? That's a

1252
00:44:53,581 --> 00:44:54,140
nice thought.

1253
00:44:54,940 --> 00:44:57,497
If somebody wants to get into this, what

1254
00:44:57,497 --> 00:44:59,595
are some of the top hints of

1255
00:44:59,909 --> 00:45:00,409
or

1256
00:45:00,785 --> 00:45:02,219
the plan of action?

1257
00:45:03,414 --> 00:45:04,291
I'd say probably,

1258
00:45:04,928 --> 00:45:07,572
reading is is Kim, I'm very biased. As

1259
00:45:07,572 --> 00:45:09,645
we all have our biases. So I think

1260
00:45:09,645 --> 00:45:11,557
it's very tempting to assume because you've seen

1261
00:45:11,557 --> 00:45:12,992
it on Tv, it's the right way to

1262
00:45:12,992 --> 00:45:14,427
do it. And I think that that is

1263
00:45:14,427 --> 00:45:16,514
a mistake. What you see on Tv is

1264
00:45:16,514 --> 00:45:17,014
primarily

1265
00:45:17,471 --> 00:45:20,340
entertainment. It is heavily edited and sometimes it's

1266
00:45:20,340 --> 00:45:22,911
grossly distorted. I I suggest

1267
00:45:23,224 --> 00:45:26,337
finding somebody knowledgeable and ethical that you can,

1268
00:45:26,896 --> 00:45:27,374
work with,

1269
00:45:28,332 --> 00:45:29,130
read widely.

1270
00:45:29,609 --> 00:45:31,858
And read the classics too. I mean, there

1271
00:45:31,858 --> 00:45:34,161
is some terrific books out there. I would

1272
00:45:34,161 --> 00:45:37,417
always recommend Dia and Play book. This house

1273
00:45:37,417 --> 00:45:39,855
responded about the En field haunting. It's it's

1274
00:45:39,974 --> 00:45:41,894
1 of the most definitive case studies of

1275
00:45:41,894 --> 00:45:43,494
a haunting you've ever seen and that dates

1276
00:45:43,494 --> 00:45:45,894
back to the 19 seventies. The book as

1277
00:45:45,894 --> 00:45:47,414
relevant today as it ever was.

1278
00:45:47,974 --> 00:45:48,695
Read widely,

1279
00:45:49,505 --> 00:45:51,967
choose your role models carefully, and you don't

1280
00:45:51,967 --> 00:45:54,509
need to invest an entire rent or mortgage

1281
00:45:54,509 --> 00:45:56,891
payment in equipment. That's a common perception.

1282
00:45:57,384 --> 00:45:58,982
You can get what you need to do

1283
00:45:58,982 --> 00:46:01,619
a thorough solid investigation for under a hundred

1284
00:46:01,619 --> 00:46:04,596
dollars. If you think about the original

1285
00:46:04,908 --> 00:46:06,020
psychic researchers,

1286
00:46:06,496 --> 00:46:08,719
so all of the large, william Crooks off

1287
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:09,434
conan doyle,

1288
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:12,134
Catherine Crowe, people of that nature and I

1289
00:46:12,134 --> 00:46:13,802
should probably say Catherine Crowe first.

1290
00:46:14,453 --> 00:46:16,526
Because she was really the old guard. They

1291
00:46:16,526 --> 00:46:18,200
did not have the gadgets that we have

1292
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,831
today. They didn't have these massive tech budgets.

1293
00:46:20,990 --> 00:46:23,475
They didn't have infrared cameras and Sls cameras

1294
00:46:23,475 --> 00:46:24,192
and things like that.

1295
00:46:24,988 --> 00:46:26,421
They had a pencil,

1296
00:46:26,979 --> 00:46:30,084
a notepad, and most interestingly, all, I think

1297
00:46:30,084 --> 00:46:30,664
an in

1298
00:46:31,691 --> 00:46:35,267
rational logical mic. If you have that, you

1299
00:46:35,267 --> 00:46:37,333
can record E on your phone, just using

1300
00:46:37,333 --> 00:46:40,480
its voice memo function. You can snap photographs

1301
00:46:40,539 --> 00:46:40,940
that way.

1302
00:46:41,579 --> 00:46:43,659
So it it can be very affordable. There

1303
00:46:43,659 --> 00:46:45,019
are no shortage of,

1304
00:46:45,579 --> 00:46:48,625
s and Hoe that are willing to try

1305
00:46:48,625 --> 00:46:50,925
and separate you from your money. So I

1306
00:46:50,925 --> 00:46:52,829
would also advise you that in the paranormal

1307
00:46:52,829 --> 00:46:55,630
field isn't many fields in life. Your willingness

1308
00:46:55,859 --> 00:46:57,450
to believe somebody's claims,

1309
00:46:58,245 --> 00:46:58,904
you should

1310
00:47:00,075 --> 00:47:01,132
factor in

1311
00:47:01,586 --> 00:47:04,052
how hard they're trying to separate you from

1312
00:47:04,052 --> 00:47:06,782
your money. Yeah. That's good advice. Yeah. I

1313
00:47:06,782 --> 00:47:08,220
do think that those sleep,

1314
00:47:08,859 --> 00:47:11,416
for anyone listening the sleep apps that record

1315
00:47:11,416 --> 00:47:12,375
you while you're sleeping.

1316
00:47:12,789 --> 00:47:14,406
That's... They seem to be more

1317
00:47:14,863 --> 00:47:16,617
pickup quieter things.

1318
00:47:17,096 --> 00:47:17,495
Mh.

1319
00:47:18,293 --> 00:47:20,765
Better than the regular voice recorder. At least

1320
00:47:20,765 --> 00:47:22,360
in my experience of 1 time...

1321
00:47:24,054 --> 00:47:25,574
Yeah. I mean, it worked. It sounded like

1322
00:47:25,574 --> 00:47:28,214
you got great results. Yeah. And I'm not

1323
00:47:28,214 --> 00:47:30,229
saying you shouldn't buy equipment either. But by

1324
00:47:30,229 --> 00:47:32,067
the same token, if you're gonna start strength

1325
00:47:32,067 --> 00:47:35,104
training, you can begin with push ups. You

1326
00:47:35,104 --> 00:47:36,782
don't have to go buy a home multi

1327
00:47:36,782 --> 00:47:39,754
gym or an annual gym membership. Right? You

1328
00:47:39,754 --> 00:47:41,509
can start out, and then you can modify.

1329
00:47:41,669 --> 00:47:43,823
You can slowly add. And by the same

1330
00:47:43,823 --> 00:47:45,578
token, there does not need to be a

1331
00:47:45,578 --> 00:47:46,775
steep buy into this.

1332
00:47:47,427 --> 00:47:49,335
Start with an inquiring in positive mind,

1333
00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:53,628
educate yourself read wisely read widely rather, and

1334
00:47:53,628 --> 00:47:56,273
wisely went off. Don't assume that the Tv

1335
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will teach you what you need to know.

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There is some good stuff on Tv. There

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are some ethical people working on Tv. The

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same is true of Youtube, the Tiktok and

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Instagram places like that. But there are also...

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There's definitely a dark side to that as

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well. Yeah.

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And how might people find you? What's the

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best way? And what if somebody has a

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00:48:15,545 --> 00:48:17,785
haunting that they're unsure of, can they reach

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out to you? Or is that something that

1346
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you're not really into just random people. I

1347
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I do... If people ask me for advice,

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I do give it. Bear in mind that,

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free advice is worth what you pay for

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it. And I never charged revise. That. That's

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not what I mean. Can reach me through

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my website, richard s step dot net. And

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I do love talking to people an interest

1354
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in this field I really do. So reach

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out to me there on Facebook. I'm richard

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est Author on

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Instagram, I'm Est r, same thing on, Twitter

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or x or whatever, Elon is calling it

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this month. So, cash social media you as

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well.

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Okay. Great. I really appreciate your time. It's

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such an interesting field.

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I'm really glad we got a chance to

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talk. Thank you for being open to it.

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Was a pleasure. Thanks for the invitation.

1366
00:49:03,769 --> 00:49:06,628
Absolutely. And everyone, the book, the new book

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comes out. It's a a grave undertaking, and

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that'll be out at the end of August.

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End of August. A gray undertaking and I

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hope you dig it. That's great.

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Thank you so much, and thank you for

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listening everybody. Bye.

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Bye now.

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Great to review and subscribe to hey human

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podcast podcasts on itunes wherever you get your

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podcast.

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Thanks.

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Bye.