Hey, humans. How's it going. Susan Ruth here.
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Here we are at episode 415,
and my guest is George Tomb.
George is a Lebanon born, award winning composer
and concert Pianist.
Gi wrote his first
composition at 3 years old
He was raised in a deeply musical family,
and it set the stage,
no pun intended for a meteor rise to
international start.
He's also using his talents for a deep
purpose and has gifted various
compositions to philanthropic events worldwide,
he's the kind man. He... It was really
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real bright light, and there's no doubt that
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George Too welcome to, hay, human. Thank you,
Susan. Thank you for having me. Yeah. Lovely
to have you all the way from Paris.
Are you jet setting these days going everywhere?
Actually, I was in new York 2 weeks
ago, And, yeah, it always takes me, like,
3 to 4 days to
to, you know, get rid of the jet
lags.
I read some places if you wear sunglasses,
the whole day after
you arrive and when you're jet lagging that
it helps. But then, of course, it makes
you look like Ad edema. But I think
it's supposed to help because it tricks your
breath
Oh, yeah. I've ever I've never ever tried
that. I mean, I'm I would love to
try. I use Mel a lot to try
to regulate,
my speed. Does it help?
It helps.
Yeah. That helps Yeah. But I think it
always takes, like, 2 to 3 days to
just, you know, get used to the new
time zone.
When you're dreaming, do you dream with a
musical
background?
I mean, that's why I have lack of
sleep whether they
jet lag or not. I have, like, a
sleep because music doesn't stop. You know what
I mean? So music always hits my head.
Even when I'm sleeping.
Although I suppose you can wake up from
a dream and have an entire thing composed
and... Yeah. Like, for example, I'm going a
movie that I need to deliver in 2
weeks, which is Bug
I'll bar it later on. But, like, you
know, I get bad, and I was like,
oh, I forgot to add this idea I
go back to writing, then I go back
to bed I was, oh. This is a
nice
musical line, and I go back to, you
know. So it's just
When when I have a good la, I
always have a lack of sleep because the
best idea is always hit my head last
second. I'm quite Ami a.
Me too. I get that. I also think
that the more tired you get the less
chance, your active brain can regulate
and step in and then say, oh, no.
That's not good or the the j part
of our brain goes away. Exactly. Because we're
so tired. We don't have the wherewithal with
the B. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Well, let's get
into
you. I start these all the time with
the same thing, I wanna know where you
were raised and what shaped you to to
the human you are now.
I was raised in Beirut Lebanon. I come
from a family of well established artists, including
my father, and my grandfather, my grandmother,
and my own tease. My dad is a
composer in Kenneth himself, and he taught me
music. He taught me how to play Piano
how to write music. He was my first
musical feature.
So growing up in Lebanon
was a great child me. And then after
that, I I left to Europe, and I
studied music there.
Vienna with Conrad And Christopher young. Then after
that, I went to La and I started
discovering this with a movie
movies and cinema and how to write music
for movies was always my dream. Then I
went back to Europe and I started writing
music for Bali.
And since then, I'm just traveling the word
driving music for different genres Different projects. Do
you feel, you love what you do, which
is great. But as a kid,
it it requires so many hours of practice
to get to the level that you have
now
achieved
and I'm sure, you know, you keep improving
all the time. That's just the nature of
the beast. But when you're a little kid,
did you feel at all like, Eye on
it Practice today. I just wanna go be
a kid. I hated it Susan. Like, my
mom used to force me every day. No.
Did only an hour today, you have to
do 3. I was like, I'm bored like,
you know, I used to hate classical piano
when it's forced.
And I used to miss it when it's
not forced, but
I am very grateful to what my family
obliged me to do because, you know, And
now I understand the value of that because
all these time on the piano,
rehearsing and practicing
day
I know they're value today... Even now I
practice every day just to keep the technique
that I have because I'm composing, but at
the same time I'm playing with the orchestra,
So I have to to maintain a certain
level of
technique on the piano.
Isn't there that famous saying, I don't know
if it was y on. Somebody said, if
If I don't practice for a day, no
1 notices. But I don't practice for 2
days, my wife notices. If I don't practice
for 3 days, the world notices.
I think that's your your mother Cha. Maybe
yeah. Yeah.
That's a great thing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean
it makes sense.
Absolutely. It makes a lot of sense. I
mean, yeah. As a pianist, my fingers are...
I mean, they can
cheat on me. Any
any day, if I stop practicing. Of course.
That's why Piano for me is, like, drinking
water every day. I have to I have
to visit the piano every day.
Every... I mean, everywhere, Anywhere I am I
have a piano. Yeah. Whether it's in hotel
whether I rent an apartment with the piano,
whether it's at home,
South France, Beirut, La, New York. Anytime, anywhere,
I need the piano, has to be 1.
Anytime I need the piano. It has... I
have to have 1 I mean, at nice,
I have a piano. I used the electric
because you know, when I had headphones, so
I don't bother people on neighbors.
Yeah. I mean, of all the instruments to
take when you're a traveling musician, the Piano
is the most.
Not the bread.
Exactly.
The most awkward 1 you could have ever
picked. Why not the violin?
Yeah.
I mean, violin also. It's easy to play,
But, I mean, it's also knowing at night.
Oh, I guess that's true. Especially, if you're
not great at it, tell me... As a
kid as you were learning your craft and
and developing your artist tree. Did you start
see music everywhere?
You know, the the movement of the trees
and the kids playing, you grew up in
a place that
there's a lot of intense things happening for
a child to witness.
How did that all interplay with itself? Like,
I didn't really need to leave the house
to to feel the music? Because I, you
know, my my dad is playing music
all day long. My auntie are visiting us
singing with my dad. He composed their albums.
My sister's sing
all day long, so
my home in Lebanon was purely musical, You
know, an art,
all over the place because my my grandfather
he's a painter.
And my grandma is a singer. So anywhere
I am, and I I had 2 twice
a week classes as, you know,
the musical theory,
harmony,
composition, piano. The music was always always there.
So imagine leaving a piano class and Tc
ups skis in my head. I'm working Tc
up the music is it's still in my
head.
And, yeah, obviously, the sing you Ron is
old music. I, that's how I get inspired.
Was it hard to find your own voice
amongst all these other artists in your family
to stand out and to be yourself? No.
Actually, I was very supported by my family.
It wasn't easy for me to to
open doors
abroad. It wasn't easy, but at the same
time, it was easy. So
the beginning was slow, but then
I felt like my career took out, officially
in Europe after my first concert and Italy,
the of Ramon, Catalina And the San was.
After these 2 concerts, I felt Mike career
took off officially.
And it, you know, it gets
harder, But at the same time it gets
easier
when it comes to other conductors hearing about
your work, other fan directors doing about your
work.
So it's just, you know, it's like a
snowball that is just
it keeps growing while going, you know, the
road. I've always wondered this with composer and
and the sin.
How how is that interplay working for a
lay like myself?
I don't really understand the connection? Maybe the
the woven connection between each
instrument and each player and the composer. What
is that relationship? I think you're talking about
the conductor, probably. No? I meant... Yeah. Conductor
not composer, think in my mind. I'm featuring
mo art conducting, thinking... Oh, yeah. The professor
and the conductor. Oh, mo side. I mean,
I can't conduct, but I don't... I mean,
I...
I don't have this passion to do it.
I prefer playing, or I prefer you just
prefer just, like,
watching
the orchestra of playing my music.
So the conductor follows what the composer
wrote
underscore. The composer can conduct a fee if
he's a conductor of or he has this
discussion to do it. But, I mean, the
conductor more give the speed for the orchestra,
the
forte t piano, play loud, they quiet...
His role is very important to to transmit
the message that the composer wrote on a
score. To the Orchestra and the audience is
not easy. He gives he gives the character
of the peace. And sometimes the conduct
improve
the whatever is written on paper and a
and his style in his on style. I
mean, in my in my case,
I play mostly the Piano. I am the
least or Solo Pianist the... In the Orchestra,
and I play the, with the Orchestra. Sometimes
I give the piano main role, in the
piece. Sometimes I don't give the Piano anything.
Oh, it all depends on whatever I'm hearing.
But the conductor
job is important in at piece in cash
flow piece. When did you know yourself that
you were special that you had something beyond
I know that's a weird question to ask.
It's it's for ego and all that. But
you understand what I'm saying. Yeah Yeah. I
think for an artist, there's a time in
your life when you say,
Oh, wow. I'm different.
I think when my...
When the conductor starting asking me for commissioned
work with a class orchestra.
In many countries. I thought, okay.
There's something different there. There's something
probably good that people are liking or these
conductors are they're liking.
But what's nice about this industry. The more
you learn as I I had an interview
last night, and I mentioned that,
the more you learn music, the more
you... The more I like, literally, I I
studied beethoven scores and mo are. I kid
very
negligible, You know, and I like that because
this this thing
this process makes you feel
humble, You know? And then it makes you
always look forward to learning more. The music
is a know is a is a huge
ocean. As I mentioned, last night. And I
always wanna feed that way to just keep
a grounded and
and
ready to learn more. Because, you know, It's
not it's not an industry way where you
know everything, and you can reach a point
where you can say, yeah. I know everything
about music. No. We'll never know anything about
music. You know what I mean? You know
I know everything about meetings. If you always
be that student that is learning and learning
member.
Yeah. I suppose if you reach a moment
where you feel you've figured it all out.
It will lose all joy.
Exactly. You have nothing to
to look forward to.
And to learn
to improve your music and to to influence
people more because if all your music is
the same level same
effect. So
there's no
there's no future. 3 days Piano now playing
somewhere.
Yeah.
So as music continues to
inspire and surprise you,
how does that reflect back on yourself. What
are you surprised about yourself?
As you keep going.
I think because I study music, a lot
of other classical composer, and I learn different
techniques, and III
photo my inspiration,
and my vision in writing music, and I
get some
inspiration of orchestration about these composer.
Every time I have a recording with the
Orc... Whether your Office or whatever whether whether
it's bud past London, let's say, that I
will have
suing a collaboration with.
So in every recording, I learned that, okay,
I improved on the cello section. I improved
on the strength.
Okay. No. The brass section, I should have
maybe within something better here you. So every
time I have a recording session with the
Orchestra.
I learned something.
Either that I improve somewhere or maybe that
I need to improve
and learn. Then after every recording session, I
go
in my cage and I started learning how
should I improve this section? When you sit
down to compose for a film, Do you
kind of keep that shut off at first
and just read through the script or as
you're reading it, does it start to
swirl around you musically?
Sales number 1, I have to meet the
writer and the director,
and we have to click no matter. What,
we have to click click and feel that
we can create magic together.
Number 2, I read the script and phase
number 2, phase number 3,
I start building themes
on the script.
Between scenes. I share with the direct and
writer,
and I have to feel that they like
it. I have to feel that they love
it.
Phase number 4,
once they finish filming, they send me the
footage,
and I start using these teams that I
that I composed on that script on the
food scenes, and I start writing them on
different scenes.
And then once I put the themes on
the scenes, then I saw orchestrating it for
the orchestra. And that's my favorite part.
Executing that's, you know, on paper, and then
executing it in real life,
which is going to Bud pass wherever I
need to.
Go to record with any orchestra.
That's
obviously the best.
Are you like a mo art and that
you hear all the different
instrumentation in your head or are you more...
Where you sit down
would say a computer and you play around
with different modalities that way?
I'm not a tag guy, so I've never
used any
computer program for music, and I prefer to
keep it that way,
because that way I can hear the music
in my hand. I have an absolute here.
I mean, absolutely is a different thing.
It helps a lot. Bothers also on the...
On another angle.
On daily life. Yeah. A lot. Like, yeah.
Crazy.
Yeah. But at the same time,
yeah. I hear everything in my heart. So
I know even visually what I wrote, and
if there's a mistake in the Oaks I
can
I can tell
what section is playing what? And where is
the... What's the mistake And what they're playing,
what should be
the replacement. So, yeah, this this is a
thing that I probably got from my father,
and
Yeah. I'm grateful to that, Honestly. This is
a. This is a
Talent that my dad has, and he
helped me push it.
He helped me
hear music
that I writing in my head.
I once went to a Dave Matthews concert
and the Violin
player was out of tune, and it I
had to leave. It was it was, like,
nails on a check or... Annoying. Right? Yeah.
I mean, not only that. Having an absolute
ear, it means if you listen to... Sometimes
it's tune falling on on the ground, You
know, there's a musical notes, you know what
notes what musical note is or even if
an ambulance passing by, I can know the
notes that are playing. You know, adi
in my head, the musical
knows are playing. It's a bit annoying also
having an absolute video. This is a weird
question, but have you ever
because I'm fascinated by neuroscience.
Have you ever had your brain scanned while
you're playing piano? N. Nav. I bet that
would be really interesting.
Yeah. How can we do that? I have
to be at the hospital. Right? Would a
Piano there? Yeah. They would just have a
piano there and hook you up, but I
think that would be really fascinating.
Contaminated Piano. Right?
Well, I mean, if it's... You know, it's
just stickers on your brain watching it move.
Yeah. I never thought of that. I've see
my brain goes to you, it would be
neat to have that scan and watch how
it plays out and then paint a painting
of what your brain looks like while you're
playing music.
Well, that's an interesting idea. Let's do it.
Nelly, maybe. That would be very cool. Yeah.
Tell me about Lebanon. Tell me what it
was, like, growing up with the influence of
sounds and sites in the beauty and the,
you know, the architecture is stunning, tell me
about that.
You've been to be with before? I've seen
pictures. I haven't been yet.
Beirut is amazing. You know, it looks like
Monte carlo, the trees, nature,
the sea, the mountains kissing the sea,
you know, we have a say,
in Lebanon is saying, like, you know, it's
it's could literally snow in the mountains you
can go key at the same same day
you can go and
swim. You know what? I mean, It's a
beautiful place. It just had different political
problems
all over the years. But they would always
stood up for, you know, for all the
problems. And maybe really inspired. And I... You
know, the full first orchestra that I ever
collaborated with was the Lebanese Monica orchestra.
And I'm grateful to that city because with
whatever
cape,
capacities they have and capabilities they supporting me
you know,
all over the world also to and in
Lebanon, and the Lebanese is dia for. Right,
You know?
They asked for us. So, yeah. I think
growing up in Lebanon was a good great
childhood.
And you... And you are... When I travel
to Europe, you know, I speak different languages,
I have different musical
background. So if I have an Indian, movie,
asking me to, to write the music for.
I mean, it's quite not easier for me.
But because I have the oriented music in
my head, even if I'm a classical composer,
I can literally use that background that I
have somewhere
and
right
for other genres. You know what I mean?
Mh. So, yeah, It's nice to be living
any country that is not in Europe.
Having the music style that is classical than
European. You need you get to win
both cultures? How many
countries have you now toured to as a
performer?
I had many
European cities. The states I had New York.
Once, which is Carnegie Hall, and Los Angeles,
which is 4 times. I think... Yeah. 4
times in La will be ali Orchestra.
We are conducted by Joanna Ahmed with our
Nash shift,
and,
Ali j s, Okay strong.
And I had
in the states that was it. You're about
to come and really make your mark in
the dates. Exactly. Hopefully. Exciting.
Yeah. But I'm scoring movies in Hollywood now.
It's been few years. That's where I live.
In La. Yeah. I live in Santa Monica
by the water.
I love Santa monica. Yeah. Night. I love
it. Really by the pier. Needed by the
pier. Yeah. I live up from that.
It's about a half a mile from that
pier.
A, okay. I love Santa Monica.
I have to be in a city that
is
by ocean or by the sea or by
Yeah. I cannot live in a city where
I feel, frustrated with buildings and, you know,
the ocean gives me
eternity and endless vision, you know, makes me
feel inspired. Same.
And dogs too.
I yeah. Hey yeah. I'm calling a cartoon
next year about dogs. How you are? Yeah.
That's great. So I listened to some... I
have not seen the whole of the documentary
enough. It looks fantastic.
Was that the very first movie that you
scored or... Yeah. It's an Australian production retail
and directing Daisy she's australian Lebanese, and it
was about the revolution, the explosion of Lebanon.
And, yeah, we recorded the music back.
With the kiev tele monica orchestra. I recall
we were the last soundtrack that this officer
recorded with. It was just before the war.
No.
A year before the war. Yeah. Exactly.
Was the big... It was the last big
soundtrack that he have recorded.
Sadly, you know, now this war and it's
really sad out how the world is
shifting to towards and problems and
Yeah. I hope I mean, music
invades
more spaces.
Yeah. I hope that too. I'm I'm an
agreement with you on that 1.
What's the plan? But so you're gonna keep
doing more of the scoring a film. Do
you prefer that over
writing for
orchestration for live music?
Both. I love to perform. I love to
perform. I love to write music for Ballet.
As I'm doing now.
I love to score movies,
Right, Music for pop, songs, pop, singers, classical
singers. That's what I love about my job.
I have a big variety of, you know,
of many options I can Like, I can
choose, like, even a week ago I got
an option to score a painting in a
museum London, which is amazing. I got that
2 years ago, but it didn't work, But
now, I think it gonna work. And it's
nice all that, like, as it... As you're
visiting a museum, you see it had 1
next to a big painting.
And you just put the hats the hat
headphones and you know and you just start
listening to music and
contemplating this,
painting, and it's a nice feeling to feel
that the music is linked to the painting.
So what I love about my
industry or my job is, like, or my,
passion,
that it gives me several
ways to to use this music, you know,
or to create this music.
I love that. You did Pin,
and you... Are you do big plans for
more Ballet coming up? Do you have stuff
on the agenda? Yes.
Exactly. I have another project, another ballot. You
know if you're taking off next fall because
the 20 24 is the 100 and fourteenth
and the anniversary of the italian novel that
Carlo Wrote. And then I'm we're doing Picasso,
the painter,
because this is the fifth... This year is
the 50
anniversary of his
death.
So we're... They're doing, like, their ballet on
his life,
featuring his paintings and stuff. And it's really
nice, you know because the ballet, the only
way of communication on stage is good use
it. It's not an easy task is way
harder than writing a music for a movie
because the music and a movie,
is a background in a way. But the
music in Ballet is main, even the communication
within between the desk is the music, you
know? Yeah. It's just a different direction but
I love it. Seeing those dancers on stage
and the orchestra life playing your music, like,
is really way few. Mh. Mh.
Absolutely.
And to watch
bodies
become music is a really cool thing. I
love going to the ballet. It's... Yeah. Stunning.
Yeah. I mean, Chi and the nut crackers,
Chi
wrote nut crackers and Swan lake. I mean,
these 2 Vale
My absolute favorite and I always dreamed to
have a project where I'm gonna bite the
music show and it was Kin nokia I
and I have video hope that will love
it.
Yeah. Well, I think that they are loving
it. Are they not?
Yes.
Absolutely.
Is it hard to
as you move through your daily life, when
you're just going through life as a normal
quote unquote person,
not performing
not practicing,
not composing,
but just living your life.
Is it hard to
assimilate
amongst
the masses,
if you will. Does that make sense? Yeah.
Yeah. Absolutely. I... And again, is this another
Ego go quick. Yeah. When you are... No.
No. Yeah. I mean,
Actually, I love
meeting new mindset,
and
new people. I mean, I love to meet
new impressions every day, new nc entities, new
visions. You...
It inspires you to see different kind of
people. You know, how they think how what
kind of music they hear, I like... I
like to discover a new music
through new people, You know? But being stuck
home writing music at the end of the
day, you know, know, have to go out
and say in France, be full mall, which
means You just have to... Sometimes I go
crazy outside. Know people think I'm crazy with
my friends. But just scream and just... That's...
I don't. I just need to breathe, You
know?
Because writing
orchestrating on papers is such a stressful task.
It's sku calculations, the imagine Next week, I
have a recording with the Bud pass Orchestra.
For the for the Bug
movie, and there's
70
musicians
that are gonna play my music. That is
still on paper now, which is very stressful,
You know? So
the amount of stress with the deadline that
we have
and this industry is
is really tough.
So when I go out and I meet
people. I just
go, mad. I just, you know, don't wanna
talk. Like music. I don't wanna. You know
what I mean? Yeah. It's just my way
of... Yeah.
I'm forgetting that I'm a musician.
Music
is mathematics? Matthew. So as you're
building your
compositions,
is it 1 of those things where
as in masks that
you can tell when the equation isn't quite
lining up, and then you have to go
back and and recalibrate everything or doesn't it
really flow in real time forward?
Depends. The time sometimes I change your whole
concept. Sometimes I feel the rhythm is you
know, when you're write with make lines, pure
math
mathematics, you know, pure math.
But... Yeah. Sometimes I change the whole concept
Some sometimes Just change and instruments, You know?
But it's it's a whole thing of creating
and writing and orchestrating because as you know,
the Orchestra is not playing all missions they're
not playing the same thing.
You know, that's the magic of orchestration is
knowing what to write to who and, you
know, when should they play when they when
should they not? It's not easy.
It's not easy to task of orchestration.
Composing is is not easy coming up with
new themes. That's that's the gift having
having to think that I need a timeless
team that will just help the audience, and
I want them to leave the the concert
all the room. The theater
with this music in their head.
That's not an easy task, so to to
sign
a theme in my head and saying that's
it, you know. But orchestration...
Orchestration is why you think this music is
huge.
That's why John williams is the best for
me is the best orchestra on the planet.
He was just about to bring him up.
Alive. I have to see a alive. He's
the best live orchestra
the planet because, you know,
you feel with this music that it's huge
just like an army together, You know, you
feel there's a big weight in his music,
you know, as if you feel it's supported,
and this support the orchestration. I was wondering
if he studied the way you study the
classical
music if you studied composer of film as
well. I'm I'm of course you do, But
John Williams
yeah. And my head, Danny Elf also is
really interesting... I love Danny Elf as well.
Yeah. He's a great composer.
Mori
James Horn, Y on Johan johannes and I
love Hans as well, James Newton Howard back
in time,
Howard chore.
Scott Bradley and Man. I have a lot
of... Every composer have in Hollywood they have
their touch of magic.
They have a really cool thing here at
the Hollywood bowl where they'll show a film
and they'll... The Plays live. That's my z
now. I've gone to back to the future
and I've gone to
black Panther
and seeing those, and it's really
extraordinary. No. Nice. Wow. I attended 1 of
the concerts a few years back with John
Williams conducted by You gustavo with good them
out. They played star was it was amazing.
Oh, I wish I got that. Space Odyssey
as well. Do you have a favorite
which is, I know a question you probably
get asked a brazilian times. So I'm gonna
ask it anyway, do you have a favorite
Orchestra that not for you to write for,
but just if you were to yeah go
out for a night and enjoy. I mean,
I have
Okay so that I'm targeting some there to
work with, hopefully
talk you for money, we end up for
that money.
Berlin for, new,
what else sent.
Yeah. I mean, those focuses are among the
best in the world. I would love to
work with that somebody of course. Yeah. Well,
it's my hope that music continues to heal
the world. So I appreciate that you're giving
your gifts that way. Thank you, Susan. Yeah.
Thank you. I mean, I hope music inspires
people to
to be
more hopeful in a world where
we need more
good people around and that vibes and good
energy. Any suggestions to young people that might
be listening who want to
follow your lead. They should study as much
scores as possible for other conclusions. That's where
They know
where the the their direction is in the
old registration or even composition. And not just
think that, yeah, I am gifted That I
have music and add, I'm just kinda write.
They have to study the orchestration. And study
the other composer scores,
that's how they get
to
better and better and better love everything. Mh.
I know that Piano is your craft, but
do you have other instruments that you enjoy
playing? The only instrument that I play professionally
in Piano. Yeah. Other than that I enjoy
listening.
So other instruments. Here. Like, I like with
Solo cello.
I like solo transcripts would be orchestra.
But to play, you no. I'm artist. Yeah.
Enjoy your stay in Paris. Thank you so
much for your time. Thank you so much,
Susan.
Thank you for this beautiful,
discussion.
I may call it, and I hope to
meet you soon in Santa Monica. Yeah. Definitely.
Let people know how they best might follow
your work.
I mean, I have a website, a George
with an ST0MB
dot com, and I have Instagram, same pane,
george with an ST0MB.
They can, listen to my music on spotify
Apple music,
these are
Youtube channel. I have a Youtube channel. But
they can follow me on Instagram to know
my updates where I am if If they
wanna attend my concerts and stuff. Perfect. Wonderful.
Thank you. And I'll put links on hey
human podcast dot com.
For everyone to go to, that's easy so
that they can find it all in 1
place as well. Thank you so much, Susan.
Thank you. Yeah. I wish you much success,
and I, and also a success in the
bud past, the getting that all done as
well. Thank you so much. I'll just send
you the music afterwards the. Oh, perfect. Wonderful.
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