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Hey, humans. How's it going. Susan Ruth here.

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Thanks for listening to another episode of hey,

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human podcast.

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This is episode 414,

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and my guest is dim bart. Dim was

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born in Russia. He was a film critic

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and culture and society journalist there, but was

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forced to flee.

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He's an award winning writer director, his films

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dead end, and the power of the strike,

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are exceptional. I've seen both of them. His

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story shine, a light on complex trauma, toxic

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masculinity,

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sexuality.

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They're really complex and beautiful,

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Definitely the work of an a tour

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really lovely and

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stunning stunning work. I met

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Dim at the Portland Horror Festival.

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We both had films there,

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and

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got to be friends, and he's a really

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cool guy and his story

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is a fascinating 1. He's been through a

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lot.

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For 8 years,

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be well, be kind,

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Here we go.

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Demon bart welcome to a, human.

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K. Hey. Thanks for having me.

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It's nice to see you. Yeah. Nice to

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see you too after, you know, like,

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2 weeks or 3 weeks.

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After portland horror from Festival, yeah. Which was

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incredibly good. And I love our meeting and,

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yeah. Yeah.

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Thanks for having me.

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Absolutely.

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You... I mean, I met so many incredible

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Everyone was kind

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and creative and interesting.

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Your...

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I had a a couple top top films

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that I watched as a spectator even though

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we both had films in it, and it

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was fun to do the q and a

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with you and all of that,

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your film dead end stood out to me,

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it's so exceptional. And

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I thought, okay. Who that. I mean, we

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had met sort of been chatting and passing

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and stuff, but Like, I need to know

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this person who created this, and I just

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today watched your other film, the power of

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the strike.

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Brilliant loved it.

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So you're really a talent. And I think

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that there are a lot of people out

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and I'm just gonna gus shu you for

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a second. There a lot of people on

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the world that do really

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beautiful work, have really beautiful art and say

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a lot with very little time or space

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to do it in.

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you definitely are

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to me a cut above most of the

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stuff I see. So... Well done. Bravo. Yeah.

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It's it's so important to hear because, you

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it's so dark around. You know my story

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and probably I'll share it. With you're, like

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people or, you know, like filmmakers or just

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just people from the crowd that could you

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know, like,

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appreciate your art, see something in it. You

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just It just a good reminder,

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there is something that could push you forward

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that could, you know, like, make your life

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is twofold. It pushes us.

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once we create a thing, we think, alright.

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world and it's not up to me how

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it does. I've now... I've done everything I

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can do. Now it's up to the baby

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get people to respond. Oh sure. It's and

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you can forget, you know that, oh, I

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worked really hard on this, and and I'm

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really proud of this, but in the movie,

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like oh my god. This person is watching

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end of the day, we are making art

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ourselves. You you'll never predict

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the direction.

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Because, you know, this reaction doesn't depend on

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you. This reaction doesn't depend on your talent

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initial aim or something like that. So many

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people, so many reactions, so many love hate

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relationships and stuff like that. We just need

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to to express yourselves.

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I can't... I don't know about you, but

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I can't imagine.

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Spending a live doing anything other than the

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creative work I do? Yeah. And, you know,

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like, for me it's really obvious that I

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e just can do anything

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besides, you know, like filmmaking

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besides art. Because I used to be journalist,

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10 years or so I burnt out, like,

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completely I almost committed suicide because of that.

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I just can't do anything, you know? Because

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I found this passion. This 1 on thing

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that makes my life reasonable.

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Makes my my life something. Worth living.

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Lay up for sure. For sure. And

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that's why I just can't, you know, like,

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Kuwait. Yeah. I get it completely. Let's go

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back to the beginning of you.

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Let's talk about where you're from and what

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childhood was like.

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close to Moscow. It's like county to Los

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town called Krishna, and it's famous by its,

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Soviet really famous cameras,

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called Zenith,

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really close to my mom's place. It's like

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in the middle of Nowhere,

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even being, like, really close to moscow. So

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it's basically like the border.

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this feeling

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of being stuck

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in the middle of Nowhere. Because our our

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town is like really small, a lot of

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people know each other And,

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yeah, it's got

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it got, like, its own

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mentality,

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not like big city mentality, but something rural,

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something suburban.

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the a lot of different people, bad people

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good people. And I always wanted to

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escape. Wanted to run away from this place.

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was like in Moscow,

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like, kitchen every day, I'm getting this, you

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know, like, public transportation to together there, and,

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you know, like, attending different screenings and, like,

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events and stuff like that. Yeah. As a

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kid, you would go to screenings even then?

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fascinating with film world with Cinema. Because when

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I was like 4 my parents were divorced,

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families.

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my dad, like, disappeared from my life.

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got back as weekend and daddy something like

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that.

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sin theater and showed me, like, a lot

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of stuff that really

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that ended up is a huge part of

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myself, I don't know, Iron man from Marvel

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studios. Like,

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Casino Royale,

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which was, like 1 of the most

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like, 1 of the first films that I

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saw in Theaters, I guess.

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deal for me or even franchise, you know,

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it was kinda crazy,

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but it was like a part of my

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education part of my, you know, like, 2

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fascination. And

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when I was a kid, I started to

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play this

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different social media quizzes,

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competitions,

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you know, like, to to get free tickets,

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to different advanced screenings and stuff like that.

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the movie called

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total recall. It was, like remake.

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screening invitation with signed by colin farrell

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somewhere in Moscow yeah.

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public screening, but was like,

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you know, this professional event was like press

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screening.

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It was as far as I remember, it

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was now you me,

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the movie by

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about these magicians with Jc and Barr and

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stuff like that. And

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it was very first press screening for me,

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it was my, you know, like it's

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thing. But at the end of the day,

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I got this connection

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to 1 of these journalists

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that got the job

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on 1 of these

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online media

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know, like, being

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contributor for this social,

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not like social, but just online media.

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Outlet or something. And it would like we're

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beginning for this journalist

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Johnny, Journalist Johnny.

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writing for different, different

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really famous media outlets that's like forbes or

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something like that. Yeah. I'm curious did the

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of the region, filter in to the films

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where they edited it it all? Did they...

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When... As a journalist yourself? Did you start

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around you?

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Firstly, I covered phil only, and then I

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got this transition to, you know, like, politics

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and social,

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journalism.

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There was, like, no sense of ship in

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this,

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I don't know like 5 cents.

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But with each and every year, it's getting

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worse. For that... For example, we got this

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rocket main situation.

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You know, this smoother rocket man about,

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Elton John,

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played by Tu,

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the beach is incredible.

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I mean, like that or incredible. The movie

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is incredible, like, teach and every part of

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this movie, like, sword uplifting team. I love

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this 1, and I lot from musicals and

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it's like musical as well. In Russia,

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these local distributors

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decided to go with some...

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Like self censorship stuff.

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They cut this

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sex scene of,

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from the movie and they cut off this,

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you know, like, final,

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like, quote, like, you know, this

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when we got this movie about, you know,

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like, movies based on true events, we got,

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like, something that happened, you know, like, next.

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And they

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cut

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this line about him and his husband off.

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So

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sometimes it could be

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sunset it like this. Or, you know, like

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sometimes,

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there are some lines in different cut.

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Like animation, like, pixar animation about,

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you know, like, female character talking about her,

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like,

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a female partner or something like that, and

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event of the day is it just partner,

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not like female partner. It it could happen

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like this or sometimes times,

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some could be banned in Russia, like there

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were there was the movie called

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the death of stalin, something like that,

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pan

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attire, like, really good 1. And it was,

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like,

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ready to go to theaters

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or almost came out.

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And

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just before, like, 2 or, 3 days.

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Before the day release, release day, it was

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like banned.

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Because of, you know, like, politics and this

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really sensitive theme for russian government.

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Because you know, Russia is still, like soviets.

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Yeah.

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So sometimes, it happened.

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But now now, like,

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different

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legislation

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are getting worse, and,

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yeah, There are no room for clear films

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for, like, real

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politics

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on screen and stuff like that.

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And

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mostly it came from distributors, because, you know,

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like, they are just

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afraid of, you know, like, being bumped by

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the government.

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Sure.

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Was there a real sense in the community?

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And as a kid growing up as well,

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knowing that

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Lgbtq, people are looked down on or even

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killed,

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is tell me about that and how it

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was to be around that atmosphere.

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Yeah.

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Almost told my life Was, like, the part

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of this, you know, like, liberal

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high progressive Moscow bubble.

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And it was a good thing for me

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because, you know, like, it's...

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This bubble got more freedom than, you know,

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like,

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a different citizen in rock

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besides Moscow And Petersburg or N Nov grid.

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We got, like, some rural and suburban

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that could be, you know, like, even more

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tough.

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But even in this bowel, I got this

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idea that I couldn't be, like, openly,

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I don't know, gay or openly clear. Or

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openly

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mind even,

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because something was in the air, You know,

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like, you feel

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or

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suppressed. You feel,

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you know, like, scared something like that. And

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now it's even unbearable. I'm really afraid of

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you know, like,

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this situation with Russian with our kids right

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now,

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They got no representation around. They got no

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rights to to just to date

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someone that they are like.

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Yeah. It's illegal. Right?

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It's basically illegal. Yeah. Because, you know, like,

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now

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Lgbtq community.

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Was named as

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extremist

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organization, something

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extremist,

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Lord.

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Yeah it's it's like... It's basically like, you

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know, a girl. Like, yeah. That's crazy.

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The basically gay people are terrorists.

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Russia. I'm mean I mean, according the law.

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So, yeah. It's a huge part of

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Russian government's

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mentality in, Russian government's

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protection policy. When you're trying to

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to stay in power, you trying to find

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this inner our enemy.

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Before the the war started between Russian, Ukraine,

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and, you know, like, they found

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like not inner, but outside enemy.

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They try to find pennies

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inside the country. And it could be, like,

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you know, immigrants

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it could be gay people, it could be,

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like,

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minorities

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let's sale like that.

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Do you

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worry when you see America's policies

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heading in those directions?

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A bit because, you know, like, rush just

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so alike the Us.

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Because, you know, like, for example, I got

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a lot of conversation with different Americans about

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your history about the history of the country.

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And probably, like, Obama's years were like the

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best years for the country,

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And we got the same with, like, this,

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4 years with the president midwest,

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which now it's gone mad unfortunately. But before

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that, it was like so liberal. It was

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he was so close to Obama as well.

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And

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we got, like, a lot of common points.

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But, fortunately,

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the Us got really

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strict.

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Judgment

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system or something. Russian

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court

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is so connected to the government.

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And there are no room for, you know,

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like, freedom in this field as well. So

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it's like basically the Us, but, you know,

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worse in the worst way. So, yeah, I

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I'm pretty boring, but I still got some

447
00:17:13,693 --> 00:17:17,121
hope, you know? Because if America falls.

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Sell of the world's falls.

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Yeah. I believe that too.

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Tell me about when you started to

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create

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what we would call an America ra browser,

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what when you started to create some conflict

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and you began to realize that the things

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you were writing

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and saying

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we're on the watch list.

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When it burnt out with this, you know,

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like... Film journalism and stuff like that. I

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achieved a lot of different fancy stuff like,

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being on film set,

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or

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you know, like, doing junk with different celebrities.

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I that idea that I need to make

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this transition to filmmaking.

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But, you know, like for making this hard

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and

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while you're, like,

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developing your, like, first short and then feature,

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you need to do something else. Like,

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page job or something like that. And I

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still was doing journalism,

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and I started doing, you know, like, this

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entrepreneur

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job, like,

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I ran this cinema theater

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Downtown Moscow. I did some private and public

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events. For different, you know, like, reach people

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and stuff like that just to on money

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to pay rent and stuff like that. But

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still, I was doing journalism, and I decided

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to make my journalism like more reasonable,

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because, you know, like, for me, part of

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this burning out was like,

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This film john was that this, you know,

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like small talk interviews,

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it doesn't make sense.

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But, you know, like, when you're doing something

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social and political,

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it could be reasonable.

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Even in the countries, like Russia.

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And so I decided to be honest with

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the white audience. I, firstly, wrote this S

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say about my generation generation z in our

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attitude to Sex and Sex on screen,

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which was like a huge splash. You know,

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like, a lot of people were talking about

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this as say,

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but talking about my vulnerability,

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my sensitivity

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and stuff like that. And I was, like,

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even

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b by this people on Facebook, like elderly,

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you know? Bullied or b?

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Bullet, bullet. Bullet. I mean, like, they try

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to be so aggressive and, you know, like,

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hurt me in different ways, and it was

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like,

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yeah. I was a bit ruined, but I

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learned my lesson

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and it's a good thing for being, you

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know, like, our person because, you know, like,

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when you're art person, it could be, you

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know, like, hurt.

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Even faster

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and more crucial and stuff like that.

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Yeah. And after this essay say, I got

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this said idea that I'm really good in

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it and I could talk, you know, like,

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to a lot of people about this

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controversial themes,

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and I got some face about

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my

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generation now attitude to politics, to

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position.

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I

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I was covering this, you know, like,

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this like generational thing.

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And when you are talking about yourself, you're

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talking about different themes and topics and so

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I wrote a lot. And I was like

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a part of the position bubble in Russia,

533
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because I got a lot of friends,

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in different,

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Russian

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independent media at that moment. The person who

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I

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went through the university there, she's like the

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main anchor and anchor woman

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in this russian a position media. Something Gosh

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independent media even now, they

542
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abroad, but still doing journalism.

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So, yeah, I was a part of these

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people,

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and

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I just got this idea that... Yeah. I'm

547
00:21:08,210 --> 00:21:08,769
so loud.

548
00:21:09,809 --> 00:21:11,890
I'm I'm not that loud as a politician,

549
00:21:12,049 --> 00:21:14,130
but I'm pretty loud to be, you know,

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00:21:14,210 --> 00:21:15,343
like, on the list.

551
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So, yeah. It was like this. Did it...

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Did you get contacted by someone that told

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you to quiet down or was it an

554
00:21:23,957 --> 00:21:24,457
idea

555
00:21:25,007 --> 00:21:26,993
it was a mostly it was an idea.

556
00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:30,013
And it was arrested twice because of peaceful

557
00:21:30,013 --> 00:21:30,513
protests.

558
00:21:30,887 --> 00:21:33,111
It wasn't like crucial. It wasn't like being

559
00:21:33,111 --> 00:21:35,035
sent. To the jail and stuff like that,

560
00:21:35,194 --> 00:21:35,910
but still,

561
00:21:36,785 --> 00:21:38,456
you know, like, when you are running away

562
00:21:38,456 --> 00:21:39,172
from the police,

563
00:21:40,618 --> 00:21:44,108
which we are calling, you know, astronauts, like

564
00:21:44,108 --> 00:21:45,933
cosmo nuts because, you know, like, they got

565
00:21:45,933 --> 00:21:47,043
this huge ammunition,

566
00:21:47,694 --> 00:21:49,447
and it's kind of scary. In the morning,

567
00:21:49,606 --> 00:21:51,519
you could go go through the street with

568
00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:54,547
a couple of water, during your, like, basic

569
00:21:54,547 --> 00:21:54,786
life,

570
00:21:55,438 --> 00:21:56,635
fancy life sometimes.

571
00:21:57,193 --> 00:21:59,746
But in the evening, you could run away

572
00:21:59,746 --> 00:22:01,500
from the police in the same street.

573
00:22:02,138 --> 00:22:03,973
And it's kind of scary. I got this.

574
00:22:04,132 --> 00:22:04,951
I got this

575
00:22:05,424 --> 00:22:07,898
feeling steel in myself. And I saw, like,

576
00:22:08,058 --> 00:22:11,751
a lot of crazy brutal and violent stuff

577
00:22:11,810 --> 00:22:13,726
in Moscow streets, like,

578
00:22:15,259 --> 00:22:17,916
like, women being heard by policeman

579
00:22:18,296 --> 00:22:21,252
and, you know, like, being beaten by, you

580
00:22:21,252 --> 00:22:23,410
know, like, there are sticks and stuff like

581
00:22:23,410 --> 00:22:23,570
that.

582
00:22:24,623 --> 00:22:26,239
It's completely different

583
00:22:26,616 --> 00:22:27,015
experience,

584
00:22:27,812 --> 00:22:29,805
you know, like, when you are watching something

585
00:22:29,805 --> 00:22:30,363
on screen,

586
00:22:31,001 --> 00:22:32,890
even knowing... Even in the,

587
00:22:33,725 --> 00:22:35,634
even knowing that it's, like, real life, it's

588
00:22:35,634 --> 00:22:38,179
something different when you see, you know, like

589
00:22:38,179 --> 00:22:38,679
it's

590
00:22:39,372 --> 00:22:39,872
just

591
00:22:40,182 --> 00:22:43,620
just by yourself. Yeah. Yeah. That's what's... So

592
00:22:44,469 --> 00:22:46,851
terrifying about here that there are...

593
00:22:48,297 --> 00:22:49,730
Voice opinion saying,

594
00:22:50,207 --> 00:22:52,857
oh, well, all all protest should be

595
00:22:53,710 --> 00:22:54,210
illegal

596
00:22:54,586 --> 00:22:55,086
that

597
00:22:56,194 --> 00:22:57,631
all protests in Russia Illegal.

598
00:22:58,508 --> 00:23:01,142
Even before the war started. They they... You

599
00:23:01,142 --> 00:23:01,541
know, like,

600
00:23:02,499 --> 00:23:03,717
the city authorities,

601
00:23:05,069 --> 00:23:07,067
needed to approve the protest.

602
00:23:07,466 --> 00:23:09,304
But, you know, like, they got a lot

603
00:23:09,304 --> 00:23:09,804
of

604
00:23:11,462 --> 00:23:13,780
different things that could cover, you know, like,

605
00:23:14,752 --> 00:23:15,252
this

606
00:23:15,709 --> 00:23:17,224
protest ban. Like,

607
00:23:18,021 --> 00:23:20,414
Covid, you know, like policy. Like,

608
00:23:21,371 --> 00:23:24,734
you didn't get enough, coverage or something like

609
00:23:24,734 --> 00:23:26,726
that. I mean, like, they try to find

610
00:23:26,726 --> 00:23:27,624
different reasons

611
00:23:28,001 --> 00:23:30,652
to suppress the protest, and they

612
00:23:31,123 --> 00:23:32,713
they was doing, you know, I grew well

613
00:23:32,713 --> 00:23:33,508
in terms of that.

614
00:23:34,781 --> 00:23:36,848
The police came to your mom's house?

615
00:23:37,803 --> 00:23:37,961
Yeah.

616
00:23:38,677 --> 00:23:40,347
It was actually off to my fleeing.

617
00:23:40,919 --> 00:23:43,468
So when the war between Russian, Ukraine started,

618
00:23:43,627 --> 00:23:45,221
I got, this idea that it could be,

619
00:23:45,300 --> 00:23:45,938
you know, like,

620
00:23:47,053 --> 00:23:49,921
danger for me, like, an actual threat.

621
00:23:50,652 --> 00:23:51,687
Not like an idea.

622
00:23:52,483 --> 00:23:54,734
And I fled the country after

623
00:23:55,428 --> 00:23:57,258
it was, like, 1 week after the board

624
00:23:57,258 --> 00:23:57,576
started.

625
00:23:58,309 --> 00:23:58,809
And

626
00:24:00,147 --> 00:24:03,743
it was March 20 22, and in November

627
00:24:03,743 --> 00:24:04,622
20 22,

628
00:24:04,941 --> 00:24:06,220
they came to my mom's place.

629
00:24:06,794 --> 00:24:10,230
Like 8 times, they came for me and

630
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:13,266
try to find me to thread her a

631
00:24:13,266 --> 00:24:13,766
bit

632
00:24:15,670 --> 00:24:16,647
yeah. And

633
00:24:17,261 --> 00:24:18,874
it was scary, but

634
00:24:19,329 --> 00:24:20,624
she is not in danger.

635
00:24:21,094 --> 00:24:22,844
And I'm not in danger because I'm not

636
00:24:22,844 --> 00:24:25,707
in Russia, you know, anymore. How did you

637
00:24:25,707 --> 00:24:27,935
get out? I I just bought my ticket?

638
00:24:28,267 --> 00:24:30,804
Istanbul turkey. And I wasn't interrogated it on

639
00:24:30,804 --> 00:24:31,279
the border,

640
00:24:32,072 --> 00:24:34,316
but, you know, like, I tried to

641
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:36,632
to to mix

642
00:24:37,086 --> 00:24:39,075
up, you know, like, some stories and stuff

643
00:24:39,075 --> 00:24:42,359
like that. I just tell tell them that

644
00:24:42,909 --> 00:24:44,106
I... I was like,

645
00:24:45,543 --> 00:24:47,799
a fran kid who is going to

646
00:24:48,975 --> 00:24:51,290
tour just to see the new Batman.

647
00:24:51,863 --> 00:24:55,123
And I show them my socks with batman,

648
00:24:55,282 --> 00:24:57,587
you know, like, and try to convince them,

649
00:24:58,064 --> 00:24:59,575
and it was like good. I mean, like,

650
00:24:59,734 --> 00:25:01,029
I was scared, but

651
00:25:01,658 --> 00:25:02,534
It wasn't like,

652
00:25:03,171 --> 00:25:04,923
they just checked my phone,

653
00:25:05,401 --> 00:25:08,348
and I... Before that I deleted all all

654
00:25:08,348 --> 00:25:10,020
the stuff that could, you know, like,

655
00:25:11,791 --> 00:25:13,627
let's say that I'm, like,

656
00:25:15,063 --> 00:25:18,176
big person for polish politics and stuff like

657
00:25:18,176 --> 00:25:18,735
that. Yeah.

658
00:25:19,625 --> 00:25:22,012
So I came to istanbul turkey with no

659
00:25:22,012 --> 00:25:24,796
backup plan with duff back and 200 bucks.

660
00:25:25,034 --> 00:25:25,534
And

661
00:25:26,084 --> 00:25:28,793
I even got no place to stay that

662
00:25:28,793 --> 00:25:31,502
night. It was like 1 of this scariest

663
00:25:31,502 --> 00:25:33,573
day of my life. III

664
00:25:33,573 --> 00:25:36,399
remember this day when I was sitting

665
00:25:36,777 --> 00:25:37,836
at the starbucks

666
00:25:38,852 --> 00:25:43,022
in Istanbul with really shitty deep coffee and

667
00:25:44,052 --> 00:25:46,835
eating my oatmeal, which I brought with me

668
00:25:46,835 --> 00:25:48,744
from Moscow. It was like a part of

669
00:25:48,744 --> 00:25:51,311
my coping the honey, you know, like, this

670
00:25:51,368 --> 00:25:54,169
full delivery. And I was eating this oatmeal,

671
00:25:54,488 --> 00:25:56,744
I was drinking this drip coffee, and

672
00:25:57,122 --> 00:25:59,996
then it was protein bar. As fires as

673
00:26:00,076 --> 00:26:00,555
I remember,

674
00:26:01,273 --> 00:26:03,131
and I was crying a lot because

675
00:26:03,444 --> 00:26:04,082
you know, like,

676
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:05,539
my life

677
00:26:06,554 --> 00:26:08,069
became so unclear.

678
00:26:09,105 --> 00:26:09,605
And

679
00:26:10,940 --> 00:26:11,998
it was like

680
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:14,944
my life was ruined in a day, and

681
00:26:15,104 --> 00:26:17,978
I needed to rebuild it from scratch, and

682
00:26:18,137 --> 00:26:19,016
I'm still doing this,

683
00:26:19,814 --> 00:26:21,570
even after 3 years, you know,

684
00:26:22,701 --> 00:26:22,940
Wow,

685
00:26:23,656 --> 00:26:24,373
it's so brave.

686
00:26:25,488 --> 00:26:26,523
Yeah. But sometimes,

687
00:26:27,001 --> 00:26:29,709
you're just doing this. I I got this

688
00:26:29,709 --> 00:26:31,954
idea that I need. Needed to do that.

689
00:26:32,193 --> 00:26:34,424
I mean, I just know... I just don't

690
00:26:34,424 --> 00:26:34,902
know why.

691
00:26:35,937 --> 00:26:38,247
Just got this strong idea, a strong feeling

692
00:26:38,247 --> 00:26:40,571
that it could be right, And that was

693
00:26:40,571 --> 00:26:43,276
right. You know, like, no. I I could

694
00:26:43,276 --> 00:26:44,707
be in prison or something.

695
00:26:45,901 --> 00:26:46,378
Or dad?

696
00:26:47,109 --> 00:26:49,346
Oh dad. Even even that or in or

697
00:26:49,346 --> 00:26:51,844
even, you know, like, being in

698
00:26:52,462 --> 00:26:54,540
in the var field or something like that.

699
00:26:54,954 --> 00:26:57,352
Healing, you know, like, people from the other

700
00:26:57,352 --> 00:26:57,512
country.

701
00:26:58,471 --> 00:27:00,250
I'm curious what the overall

702
00:27:00,709 --> 00:27:03,366
thoughts are of the people of Russia

703
00:27:03,746 --> 00:27:04,246
toward

704
00:27:05,198 --> 00:27:08,250
the politicians toward Putin. Is there

705
00:27:09,425 --> 00:27:11,659
a sense of, I'm terrified. So I'm not

706
00:27:11,659 --> 00:27:14,471
gonna say a word or this is bullshit

707
00:27:14,944 --> 00:27:16,220
we have to do something.

708
00:27:17,018 --> 00:27:17,257
Yeah.

709
00:27:18,772 --> 00:27:19,272
Honestly,

710
00:27:20,048 --> 00:27:21,564
we don't know. Because, you know, like,

711
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,196
in countries countries like Russia,

712
00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:28,992
it's really scary to to be open publicly.

713
00:27:29,391 --> 00:27:31,941
And when you're... We are getting this, like,

714
00:27:33,473 --> 00:27:33,973
research

715
00:27:34,351 --> 00:27:36,449
results, you know, like, like different,

716
00:27:37,147 --> 00:27:38,905
you know, studies and stuff like that,

717
00:27:39,479 --> 00:27:41,974
This study not so, you know, like, accurate

718
00:27:42,751 --> 00:27:45,384
because a lot of people are just scared

719
00:27:45,384 --> 00:27:46,661
to be, you know, like,

720
00:27:47,951 --> 00:27:50,341
to to stick to their accounts,

721
00:27:50,899 --> 00:27:52,435
you know, like, publicly,

722
00:27:53,369 --> 00:27:53,869
openly.

723
00:27:54,245 --> 00:27:56,737
And so now we just don't know

724
00:27:57,128 --> 00:28:00,547
the percentage of the people who like against

725
00:28:00,547 --> 00:28:03,092
the country. I mean, like the government. But

726
00:28:03,092 --> 00:28:04,546
the point is that

727
00:28:05,814 --> 00:28:08,691
before the war started. For sure, we got

728
00:28:08,691 --> 00:28:11,009
this commitment. I mean, like, not the people

729
00:28:11,009 --> 00:28:13,885
like me, but the whole country got this

730
00:28:13,885 --> 00:28:14,900
commitment that

731
00:28:15,259 --> 00:28:17,355
government should do politics,

732
00:28:17,812 --> 00:28:19,967
and people should do their own lives.

733
00:28:20,685 --> 00:28:22,601
Like, you know, it's like the separate things.

734
00:28:23,654 --> 00:28:26,775
They are going to these selections to, you

735
00:28:26,775 --> 00:28:30,055
know, like, to keep putting and power just

736
00:28:30,055 --> 00:28:30,715
to be

737
00:28:31,174 --> 00:28:32,134
safe and stable.

738
00:28:32,708 --> 00:28:34,942
Just to be, you know, like, sure that

739
00:28:34,942 --> 00:28:37,335
the next day would be like the previous

740
00:28:37,335 --> 00:28:37,574
day.

741
00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:41,323
And a lot of people still thinking like

742
00:28:41,323 --> 00:28:41,562
this.

743
00:28:43,494 --> 00:28:44,934
So it's tricky.

744
00:28:45,654 --> 00:28:47,734
You'll never you'll never know, and you'll never

745
00:28:47,734 --> 00:28:50,634
say something, you know, like, that could be

746
00:28:50,855 --> 00:28:51,174
proof.

747
00:28:52,068 --> 00:28:55,327
Yeah. I get that. Is the most of

748
00:28:55,407 --> 00:28:57,951
Russia older? Or is there a lot of

749
00:28:57,951 --> 00:29:00,510
gen z age people there? Gen z is

750
00:29:00,510 --> 00:29:03,534
more like, is bolder or like bolder, You

751
00:29:03,534 --> 00:29:06,398
know, like, each and every person, like, not

752
00:29:06,398 --> 00:29:08,228
like all of us, but a lot of

753
00:29:08,228 --> 00:29:08,546
people,

754
00:29:09,038 --> 00:29:10,782
are so open minded. Because, you know, like,

755
00:29:10,940 --> 00:29:14,611
our childhood and our education was connected to

756
00:29:15,459 --> 00:29:16,252
western culture,

757
00:29:16,744 --> 00:29:17,963
because to solve

758
00:29:18,982 --> 00:29:21,959
we're, like so open to different

759
00:29:23,137 --> 00:29:24,975
franchises. Phil franchises like,

760
00:29:25,865 --> 00:29:28,880
animation Tv series. Like, just we were, like,

761
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:31,047
a part of this cultural,

762
00:29:32,293 --> 00:29:33,562
western culture, you know.

763
00:29:34,689 --> 00:29:36,832
That's why we are... You know, people were

764
00:29:36,832 --> 00:29:38,181
seeing a lot of countries,

765
00:29:38,816 --> 00:29:40,403
different ways of living.

766
00:29:41,769 --> 00:29:45,280
And we were... We were not like Soviets,

767
00:29:45,679 --> 00:29:47,376
which were, like, so

768
00:29:48,313 --> 00:29:51,679
inside this country. Under this protection and stuff

769
00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:53,752
like that. That's why we are so open

770
00:29:53,752 --> 00:29:54,651
minded and

771
00:29:55,746 --> 00:29:58,001
sorry a lot of people from my country

772
00:29:58,059 --> 00:29:59,176
and from my age.

773
00:30:00,067 --> 00:30:02,475
They are so open and they are definitely

774
00:30:02,612 --> 00:30:03,112
against

775
00:30:03,486 --> 00:30:05,395
to to Putin's policy.

776
00:30:05,872 --> 00:30:06,269
Mh

777
00:30:06,826 --> 00:30:09,132
But when we are talking about elderly,

778
00:30:09,864 --> 00:30:12,278
they are still being washed by Propaganda.

779
00:30:13,373 --> 00:30:16,723
Unfortunately, they are, you know, like, not that

780
00:30:16,723 --> 00:30:18,956
bolt, not that, you know, like, conscious.

781
00:30:19,689 --> 00:30:20,427
And they,

782
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,945
yeah. They... The their are mines are, like,

783
00:30:23,183 --> 00:30:23,683
trash

784
00:30:24,692 --> 00:30:25,192
unfortunately.

785
00:30:26,122 --> 00:30:27,948
Yeah. They just... They're so used to a

786
00:30:27,948 --> 00:30:28,743
certain way of being.

787
00:30:29,393 --> 00:30:30,529
Yeah. For sure. And

788
00:30:30,983 --> 00:30:34,083
and almost every family got the person like

789
00:30:34,083 --> 00:30:36,468
this. My granny is like Bread washed, you

790
00:30:36,468 --> 00:30:36,627
know?

791
00:30:37,358 --> 00:30:39,508
And they... Credit. Did you say Bread and

792
00:30:39,508 --> 00:30:39,747
divorced?

793
00:30:40,384 --> 00:30:42,693
But brain divorced. Oh, brain wise. I thought

794
00:30:42,772 --> 00:30:44,763
Bread divorced what grade? Oh my mom. I

795
00:30:44,763 --> 00:30:46,606
to put it. Like, old school.

796
00:30:47,479 --> 00:30:48,828
Have been awesome actually.

797
00:30:49,542 --> 00:30:52,796
But no. Unfortunately, she's brain washed by by

798
00:30:52,796 --> 00:30:53,296
propaganda

799
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:56,729
by... This thing that I were talking about

800
00:30:56,786 --> 00:30:58,377
already. Yeah. We have a lot of that

801
00:30:58,377 --> 00:31:00,049
in this country as well. I think they've

802
00:31:00,049 --> 00:31:02,141
focused in on the elderly because

803
00:31:02,755 --> 00:31:03,255
they

804
00:31:04,045 --> 00:31:05,805
know that they can fill them with fear.

805
00:31:06,204 --> 00:31:08,204
Older people are are afraid of a lot

806
00:31:08,204 --> 00:31:08,765
of things?

807
00:31:09,484 --> 00:31:12,144
Yeah. And there is another thing in Russia

808
00:31:12,204 --> 00:31:13,025
for sentiment.

809
00:31:13,499 --> 00:31:13,899
You know,

810
00:31:14,698 --> 00:31:15,437
it's like

811
00:31:16,136 --> 00:31:17,754
it's like a thing that

812
00:31:20,130 --> 00:31:23,981
makes, you feel great about getting to your

813
00:31:23,981 --> 00:31:25,600
roots getting to your history

814
00:31:26,218 --> 00:31:29,196
and stuff like that, like, it's actually living

815
00:31:29,988 --> 00:31:32,051
in your innocence or something?

816
00:31:32,527 --> 00:31:34,907
Makes sense. And it's like a huge part

817
00:31:34,907 --> 00:31:35,407
of

818
00:31:36,018 --> 00:31:36,891
Russian government.

819
00:31:37,304 --> 00:31:39,060
Like... Hey make Russia great again?

820
00:31:39,779 --> 00:31:41,056
Something like that. Yeah.

821
00:31:41,934 --> 00:31:42,094
Yeah.

822
00:31:43,132 --> 00:31:45,127
But even more worse, you know, like, even

823
00:31:45,127 --> 00:31:47,799
worse. I mean, like, it's like not

824
00:31:48,577 --> 00:31:50,655
make russia great again, but, you know, like,

825
00:31:51,534 --> 00:31:52,034
let's

826
00:31:52,413 --> 00:31:52,913
Russia

827
00:31:53,452 --> 00:31:53,952
stay

828
00:31:54,571 --> 00:31:55,370
great Like,

829
00:31:56,024 --> 00:31:58,884
forever and never or something like that. Yeah.

830
00:32:00,234 --> 00:32:00,734
How

831
00:32:01,108 --> 00:32:03,253
did you decide to take the leap then

832
00:32:03,253 --> 00:32:04,126
to start making?

833
00:32:04,619 --> 00:32:06,375
Film. I mean, it sounds like you're going

834
00:32:06,375 --> 00:32:08,531
through a lot. Do you made the movies

835
00:32:08,531 --> 00:32:09,568
in Russia. Correct?

836
00:32:10,367 --> 00:32:13,161
No. My first 1 then was making Russia.

837
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,430
Okay. Alright. Let's actually back in 20 21,

838
00:32:16,667 --> 00:32:18,807
and my second round, the par a strike,

839
00:32:19,124 --> 00:32:20,868
I made it last summer in Berlin.

840
00:32:21,518 --> 00:32:23,927
It it was tough, but as a person

841
00:32:24,222 --> 00:32:27,404
from this, like, film community and being just

842
00:32:27,404 --> 00:32:27,722
famous.

843
00:32:28,453 --> 00:32:30,144
I could be trusted

844
00:32:30,597 --> 00:32:33,536
by these people with some money, I was

845
00:32:33,536 --> 00:32:34,910
pretty famous, and I

846
00:32:35,283 --> 00:32:37,149
I wasn't supposed. To

847
00:32:37,846 --> 00:32:38,723
disappear, you know, like,

848
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,834
with this money, and I got a lot

849
00:32:41,834 --> 00:32:42,812
of connections

850
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:45,502
in this film industry, like, a lot of

851
00:32:45,502 --> 00:32:46,401
friends or mine

852
00:32:46,713 --> 00:32:49,041
were actors or different

853
00:32:49,494 --> 00:32:51,719
production and costume designers and stuff like that,

854
00:32:51,958 --> 00:32:53,491
and I started to

855
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:56,673
to, you know, like, get all the team

856
00:32:56,673 --> 00:32:56,992
together,

857
00:32:57,551 --> 00:33:00,345
and I just did that. Yeah. I got

858
00:33:00,345 --> 00:33:03,154
this script. I got this person who trust

859
00:33:03,154 --> 00:33:05,875
me. I got these people around, and it

860
00:33:05,875 --> 00:33:08,195
just did that. Yeah. It's a beautiful film.

861
00:33:08,355 --> 00:33:09,394
It's so well shot.

862
00:33:10,275 --> 00:33:11,634
Thank you so much. And it was like,

863
00:33:12,207 --> 00:33:14,193
really big thing for me and still is.

864
00:33:14,352 --> 00:33:16,361
Because, you know, like, when you're filmmaker,

865
00:33:17,529 --> 00:33:18,744
you need to be

866
00:33:19,197 --> 00:33:21,994
exceptional in terms of your visual aspect. You

867
00:33:21,994 --> 00:33:24,705
know, a visual aspect of your mortgage because

868
00:33:24,705 --> 00:33:27,098
it's like your job. And I... I'm so

869
00:33:27,098 --> 00:33:27,598
fascinated

870
00:33:27,975 --> 00:33:29,969
with this stuff, you know, like, with this

871
00:33:29,969 --> 00:33:31,086
filmmaker score, like,

872
00:33:32,134 --> 00:33:33,427
you know, like, vision,

873
00:33:34,197 --> 00:33:35,966
something like that. And

874
00:33:36,815 --> 00:33:37,450
and, yeah.

875
00:33:40,244 --> 00:33:42,719
Because of my journalism because of my fascination,

876
00:33:42,878 --> 00:33:45,273
the cinema, I was watching a lot. I'm

877
00:33:45,273 --> 00:33:47,370
still watching a lot. And

878
00:33:48,147 --> 00:33:50,554
I got this, like, really huge your experience.

879
00:33:50,793 --> 00:33:54,556
And sometimes you get something consciously, sometimes subconsciously,

880
00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:58,854
but it's building your film identity.

881
00:33:59,959 --> 00:34:00,514
Your taste,

882
00:34:01,308 --> 00:34:04,243
your, like, great look or something like that.

883
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,703
Because, you know, I just can't process. I

884
00:34:06,703 --> 00:34:07,441
just can't

885
00:34:08,305 --> 00:34:10,313
can't get this ugly look

886
00:34:10,766 --> 00:34:13,624
for movies. Even knowing that the movie could

887
00:34:13,624 --> 00:34:14,735
be like, low budget Movie.

888
00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:16,427
You could make

889
00:34:17,372 --> 00:34:19,122
amazing things with no money.

890
00:34:20,236 --> 00:34:23,181
Yeah. Yeah. It takes ingenuity. I know almost

891
00:34:23,181 --> 00:34:23,999
feel like

892
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:26,861
My movie was low budget as well. And

893
00:34:27,020 --> 00:34:29,412
I feel like it forces you into court.

894
00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:32,122
So stylish with me. Yeah as well. Because,

895
00:34:32,202 --> 00:34:34,293
you know, like, you you're just got this

896
00:34:34,293 --> 00:34:36,391
idea that you need to find the perfect

897
00:34:36,531 --> 00:34:39,248
location, good looking connectors. Good production design,

898
00:34:39,967 --> 00:34:40,467
explicitly

899
00:34:41,246 --> 00:34:41,746
allowed

900
00:34:42,285 --> 00:34:45,483
effects. And something like that. And you only

901
00:34:45,483 --> 00:34:47,551
just a film buff or something like that

902
00:34:47,551 --> 00:34:48,983
you, you know this for sure.

903
00:34:49,953 --> 00:34:52,902
Yeah. It's a it's a journey. What's your

904
00:34:52,902 --> 00:34:54,337
plan? What... What's next?

905
00:34:54,895 --> 00:34:56,648
I'm trying to develop 1 of this feature

906
00:34:56,648 --> 00:34:57,659
that already wrote

907
00:34:58,578 --> 00:35:00,735
wrote 2 features. And I got a lot

908
00:35:00,735 --> 00:35:03,372
of ideas for different shirts. I'm, you know,

909
00:35:03,452 --> 00:35:05,370
like I'm hustling to find this money.

910
00:35:05,945 --> 00:35:06,445
I'm

911
00:35:08,025 --> 00:35:09,005
applying to different

912
00:35:09,625 --> 00:35:09,945
competition,

913
00:35:10,585 --> 00:35:11,965
you know, like, incubator

914
00:35:12,265 --> 00:35:14,204
and stuff like that, like different

915
00:35:14,919 --> 00:35:16,934
a lot of studios got some problems

916
00:35:17,312 --> 00:35:19,385
and stuff like that. Because, you know, like,

917
00:35:20,023 --> 00:35:21,539
I need to be delete. I need to

918
00:35:21,539 --> 00:35:23,932
be seen by people. I was... As I

919
00:35:23,932 --> 00:35:26,414
told you, was pretty famous in Russia, but

920
00:35:26,414 --> 00:35:27,765
there was nobody to the world.

921
00:35:28,401 --> 00:35:28,901
And

922
00:35:29,276 --> 00:35:31,206
at that moment, I needed to

923
00:35:31,581 --> 00:35:34,458
establish my, you know, like, public image. And

924
00:35:34,537 --> 00:35:37,342
I'm doing well, but still, it's so

925
00:35:37,796 --> 00:35:40,816
slow process. Mh. And I'm trying to be,

926
00:35:40,975 --> 00:35:43,457
like malt task king, like, doing each and

927
00:35:43,457 --> 00:35:43,957
everything

928
00:35:44,651 --> 00:35:45,151
simultaneously.

929
00:35:46,085 --> 00:35:48,155
Because, you know, like, you never know each

930
00:35:48,155 --> 00:35:51,119
of these projects, you know, like, could be

931
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:54,176
your first second or something like that or

932
00:35:54,315 --> 00:35:56,573
1 connection could lead you to the other

933
00:35:56,712 --> 00:35:58,550
connection, and this connection could work.

934
00:35:59,123 --> 00:36:01,431
But the first 1 couldn't work out and

935
00:36:01,431 --> 00:36:04,534
something like that. And so it's it's like

936
00:36:04,534 --> 00:36:07,094
a game, and I'm trying to get the

937
00:36:07,094 --> 00:36:09,393
rules of this game, but it's so tough

938
00:36:09,393 --> 00:36:11,534
so hard and I'm so dark because of,

939
00:36:11,613 --> 00:36:13,857
you know, like, these objective things around

940
00:36:14,484 --> 00:36:17,197
but I'm still trying to grab this thing,

941
00:36:17,516 --> 00:36:20,389
grab this, you know, like, idea that I'm

942
00:36:20,389 --> 00:36:21,746
talented that I e.

943
00:36:22,399 --> 00:36:24,632
I'm I'm really good direct fe because, you

944
00:36:24,632 --> 00:36:26,307
know, I got this idea I that I

945
00:36:26,307 --> 00:36:27,264
wasn't that well,

946
00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:29,896
journalists or something.

947
00:36:30,534 --> 00:36:32,302
You're a great journalist. I read that that

948
00:36:32,462 --> 00:36:34,453
I put on my social media that you

949
00:36:34,453 --> 00:36:35,965
wrote for the Hollywood reporter,

950
00:36:36,682 --> 00:36:38,195
and I thought it was great. I mean,

951
00:36:38,275 --> 00:36:40,559
you're clearly an excellent writer on top of

952
00:36:40,759 --> 00:36:43,231
the other things. I'm curious. I think there

953
00:36:43,231 --> 00:36:44,745
would be a market if you were to

954
00:36:44,745 --> 00:36:45,245
write

955
00:36:46,021 --> 00:36:49,152
about your experience there for here

956
00:36:49,544 --> 00:36:50,762
I think people would definitely

957
00:36:51,139 --> 00:36:51,617
read them.

958
00:36:52,653 --> 00:36:55,785
Probably, But, you know, like, I'd rather the

959
00:36:55,843 --> 00:36:58,968
bluetooth in my films. I get that. For

960
00:36:58,968 --> 00:37:01,123
example, my second feature that you're already wrote,

961
00:37:01,522 --> 00:37:04,017
it's about, you know, like, this personal

962
00:37:04,794 --> 00:37:08,080
experience this, you know, like... Being immigrant and

963
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,857
facing American privileges

964
00:37:10,315 --> 00:37:11,134
and facing

965
00:37:11,512 --> 00:37:12,389
suicidal crisis,

966
00:37:13,506 --> 00:37:13,985
crisis,

967
00:37:14,398 --> 00:37:16,302
I'd rather put it in into my movies.

968
00:37:16,619 --> 00:37:18,602
And I hope I could make it and

969
00:37:18,602 --> 00:37:20,585
it could be marketable because, you know, like,

970
00:37:20,744 --> 00:37:21,854
sometimes when you're, like,

971
00:37:22,664 --> 00:37:24,262
I do know, like, at the same time

972
00:37:24,262 --> 00:37:26,818
clear dark and stuff like that, you could

973
00:37:26,818 --> 00:37:27,218
be...

974
00:37:28,416 --> 00:37:29,375
It could be tricky.

975
00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:31,696
You know, I to get money because you're

976
00:37:31,696 --> 00:37:33,604
not bad kids, you're not bad, you know,

977
00:37:33,683 --> 00:37:35,511
like, calm and you're not that.

978
00:37:36,783 --> 00:37:39,423
You're not, creating the safe space for the

979
00:37:39,423 --> 00:37:40,378
people with money,

980
00:37:41,014 --> 00:37:41,832
but sometimes,

981
00:37:42,526 --> 00:37:44,140
I just I just can

982
00:37:44,913 --> 00:37:45,867
doing something else,

983
00:37:46,678 --> 00:37:50,017
Yeah. I totally understand that. Your films are

984
00:37:50,017 --> 00:37:51,074
dark, but

985
00:37:51,687 --> 00:37:55,026
they're... The underlying what's going on, The the

986
00:37:55,026 --> 00:37:56,870
true story of it. I mean, there's a

987
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:58,859
story that is the story being fed to

988
00:37:58,859 --> 00:37:59,757
the consumer

989
00:38:00,211 --> 00:38:00,927
that they're eating.

990
00:38:01,484 --> 00:38:03,552
And then as they're eating it, 1 hopes

991
00:38:03,552 --> 00:38:04,960
that they see that

992
00:38:05,317 --> 00:38:08,101
the whole meal. There's way more going on.

993
00:38:08,738 --> 00:38:09,238
And

994
00:38:09,692 --> 00:38:12,648
in my opinion, at least, dead end, especially,

995
00:38:12,886 --> 00:38:14,234
the part of the strike as well, but

996
00:38:14,234 --> 00:38:15,923
dead end really to me

997
00:38:16,454 --> 00:38:17,905
had such an intense

998
00:38:18,515 --> 00:38:19,228
theme about,

999
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:21,339
judgment and

1000
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,099
family and

1001
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:25,739
expectation and self loa

1002
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:28,619
so much going on. And

1003
00:38:29,413 --> 00:38:30,471
aside from him being

1004
00:38:30,929 --> 00:38:34,120
twisty and so beautiful in in that darkness.

1005
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,636
And we're... We all have shadow,

1006
00:38:36,527 --> 00:38:39,151
Mh And it's... For us, the creative, I

1007
00:38:39,151 --> 00:38:40,979
think it's important. We have a such a

1008
00:38:40,979 --> 00:38:41,956
job to do

1009
00:38:42,489 --> 00:38:44,795
to remind people that, yes, you do have

1010
00:38:44,795 --> 00:38:47,358
these thoughts. This stuff does go on,

1011
00:38:48,394 --> 00:38:50,228
and it's okay to talk about it, and

1012
00:38:50,228 --> 00:38:51,822
it's okay to get it out because if

1013
00:38:51,822 --> 00:38:53,496
we don't and you shove it down,

1014
00:38:54,706 --> 00:38:54,945
Yeah.

1015
00:38:55,582 --> 00:38:56,776
What support living?

1016
00:38:58,369 --> 00:39:00,837
Exactly. Exactly. Thank you for this words. Yeah.

1017
00:39:00,996 --> 00:39:02,372
It's so important to

1018
00:39:02,683 --> 00:39:03,661
to put something

1019
00:39:04,436 --> 00:39:06,506
in the crowd minds. I don't know.

1020
00:39:07,382 --> 00:39:07,882
And

1021
00:39:08,258 --> 00:39:10,271
but for me, it was just way

1022
00:39:11,618 --> 00:39:13,763
way of talking to people. It was like,

1023
00:39:14,637 --> 00:39:16,782
I wanted to, you know, like, to tell

1024
00:39:16,782 --> 00:39:19,268
my story through this, like, horror

1025
00:39:20,214 --> 00:39:22,447
through this, you know, like, roller cost and

1026
00:39:22,447 --> 00:39:25,260
something like that. But it was, like, really

1027
00:39:25,319 --> 00:39:28,030
something really personal. That that was like my

1028
00:39:28,030 --> 00:39:30,676
personal experience of being afraid of my ex.

1029
00:39:31,472 --> 00:39:31,972
And

1030
00:39:33,301 --> 00:39:35,847
yeah. And also, it was, like, a part

1031
00:39:35,847 --> 00:39:36,585
of this

1032
00:39:38,169 --> 00:39:40,318
mis miscommunication in Russia because, you know, like,

1033
00:39:40,557 --> 00:39:42,786
we got a lot of parents that are

1034
00:39:42,786 --> 00:39:44,776
not supporting in terms of your, like,

1035
00:39:45,429 --> 00:39:45,929
identities,

1036
00:39:46,385 --> 00:39:47,422
different identities,

1037
00:39:47,820 --> 00:39:49,893
not only being queer but also being, you

1038
00:39:49,893 --> 00:39:51,110
know, like, sensitive,

1039
00:39:51,647 --> 00:39:53,561
being, like, being yourself.

1040
00:39:54,214 --> 00:39:54,454
Yeah.

1041
00:39:56,371 --> 00:39:58,549
That's why, you know, like, probably

1042
00:39:59,088 --> 00:40:00,445
that was like,

1043
00:40:01,417 --> 00:40:02,844
so intense. Mh.

1044
00:40:03,557 --> 00:40:05,617
As you know, like, there are so many

1045
00:40:05,617 --> 00:40:06,117
themes

1046
00:40:07,757 --> 00:40:10,394
but them I'm... I I I'm from the

1047
00:40:10,394 --> 00:40:11,609
country with, like, greatly

1048
00:40:12,064 --> 00:40:14,234
and a lot of, you know, like, metaphor

1049
00:40:14,529 --> 00:40:16,597
layers of this, you know, like,

1050
00:40:17,565 --> 00:40:20,744
ideas and stuff like that. And I just

1051
00:40:20,744 --> 00:40:23,548
wanted to, you know, like, to keep

1052
00:40:24,081 --> 00:40:25,193
this movement.

1053
00:40:26,083 --> 00:40:28,974
Yeah. So to stay in this field. And

1054
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:31,902
I hope I will they'll do that, you

1055
00:40:31,902 --> 00:40:33,815
know, Like put my next films as well.

1056
00:40:34,308 --> 00:40:36,137
I don't doubt that at all. Yeah. But,

1057
00:40:36,295 --> 00:40:37,806
you know, like, we got a lot of

1058
00:40:37,806 --> 00:40:40,771
a lot of novel lists and boy

1059
00:40:41,146 --> 00:40:43,713
and, like, all of them are

1060
00:40:45,450 --> 00:40:46,981
you know, like, we're making

1061
00:40:47,989 --> 00:40:49,916
be beautiful art. And

1062
00:40:51,336 --> 00:40:51,836
Unfortunately,

1063
00:40:52,211 --> 00:40:54,222
we lost a lot of passion

1064
00:40:54,676 --> 00:40:57,562
last years, but still a lot of Russian

1065
00:40:58,334 --> 00:41:00,106
authors are really great

1066
00:41:00,974 --> 00:41:02,487
you know, like, even nowadays.

1067
00:41:03,125 --> 00:41:05,139
And now a lot of them are brought

1068
00:41:05,196 --> 00:41:07,746
and trying to keep doing art as well.

1069
00:41:08,478 --> 00:41:11,026
Yeah. Different fields. Like, we got a lot

1070
00:41:11,026 --> 00:41:12,459
of musicians abroad,

1071
00:41:13,096 --> 00:41:14,074
like, novel

1072
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:16,121
like filmmakers. Like mh.

1073
00:41:16,853 --> 00:41:19,160
Yeah. Tell me about how you got through

1074
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:19,876
your crisis.

1075
00:41:21,864 --> 00:41:22,819
I'm still getting for that.

1076
00:41:24,426 --> 00:41:26,337
I I do know. I'm I'm just trying

1077
00:41:26,337 --> 00:41:26,837
to

1078
00:41:27,452 --> 00:41:29,625
to do art. I'm just trying

1079
00:41:30,001 --> 00:41:30,479
writing.

1080
00:41:30,956 --> 00:41:31,934
I'm just trying

1081
00:41:32,644 --> 00:41:34,979
you know, like, filming something and

1082
00:41:35,596 --> 00:41:38,309
applying to different, you know, like, labs and

1083
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:39,766
stuff like that's meeting

1084
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:42,088
to the festivals going to the festivals,

1085
00:41:42,778 --> 00:41:45,081
meeting different amazing people are key.

1086
00:41:45,716 --> 00:41:46,931
And people

1087
00:41:48,432 --> 00:41:50,106
could make you stay alive.

1088
00:41:50,982 --> 00:41:51,300
Yeah.

1089
00:41:52,097 --> 00:41:54,030
And probably it's like our,

1090
00:41:54,407 --> 00:41:56,956
like, really good capital, you know, like,

1091
00:41:57,848 --> 00:41:59,227
really good value.

1092
00:42:00,405 --> 00:42:00,905
And

1093
00:42:01,443 --> 00:42:03,781
especially in this, you know, like, genre community,

1094
00:42:04,413 --> 00:42:07,752
each and every person as you saw actually.

1095
00:42:09,024 --> 00:42:11,170
Each and every person is so, like,

1096
00:42:12,378 --> 00:42:14,204
I do know like warm, kind,

1097
00:42:14,681 --> 00:42:17,540
nice, here, like, these people, the finest people

1098
00:42:17,540 --> 00:42:18,175
in the world,

1099
00:42:18,731 --> 00:42:21,724
because all of them are considering themselves as

1100
00:42:22,164 --> 00:42:22,643
outsiders.

1101
00:42:23,201 --> 00:42:27,054
And when you're an outsider, you're getting closer

1102
00:42:27,112 --> 00:42:27,612
to

1103
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:29,347
that outsider. Right?

1104
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:31,300
And,

1105
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:33,860
you know, like, you need to be crazy

1106
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,200
to do filmmaking,

1107
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:36,739
especially genre filmmaking.

1108
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,599
You need to to be so into it.

1109
00:42:40,255 --> 00:42:42,034
Just to stay here, just,

1110
00:42:42,335 --> 00:42:43,454
you know, like, not to quit.

1111
00:42:44,094 --> 00:42:46,594
Was beautifully said, what I love about horror

1112
00:42:47,295 --> 00:42:47,795
is

1113
00:42:48,748 --> 00:42:49,964
is how

1114
00:42:50,817 --> 00:42:51,771
layered it is.

1115
00:42:52,487 --> 00:42:53,999
How much is being said.

1116
00:42:54,874 --> 00:42:56,147
I mean, some people might go to the

1117
00:42:56,147 --> 00:42:58,554
movie and they just say, oh, slash or

1118
00:42:58,554 --> 00:43:01,275
somebody's dropping dead or whatnot. But there's... There's

1119
00:43:01,275 --> 00:43:03,355
so much to it saw is a great

1120
00:43:03,355 --> 00:43:04,554
example. The very first,

1121
00:43:05,128 --> 00:43:07,299
Yeah. For sure. And I kinda locate this

1122
00:43:07,356 --> 00:43:09,982
term elevated horror because, you know, A Cora

1123
00:43:09,982 --> 00:43:11,255
was elevated like,

1124
00:43:11,891 --> 00:43:12,527
every time,

1125
00:43:13,244 --> 00:43:15,192
you know, there is a book

1126
00:43:16,925 --> 00:43:18,280
called, oh my god.

1127
00:43:19,316 --> 00:43:21,947
It came from the closet, something like that.

1128
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:23,579
And

1129
00:43:24,515 --> 00:43:26,589
it's about clear perspective on horror.

1130
00:43:27,228 --> 00:43:29,621
It's a bunch of essays from different queer

1131
00:43:29,621 --> 00:43:29,940
people.

1132
00:43:30,434 --> 00:43:32,821
But trans people like, gay people and stuff

1133
00:43:32,821 --> 00:43:35,549
like that. People like that. This

1134
00:43:36,163 --> 00:43:37,436
we're a little horror,

1135
00:43:38,405 --> 00:43:39,516
career take horror.

1136
00:43:40,469 --> 00:43:42,716
It's not about, you know, a special

1137
00:43:43,089 --> 00:43:45,313
special part of, you know, like, queer horror

1138
00:43:45,313 --> 00:43:46,742
or something like that. It's like,

1139
00:43:47,633 --> 00:43:50,028
take on, like, horror in general, like,

1140
00:43:50,666 --> 00:43:51,066
joss,

1141
00:43:51,624 --> 00:43:51,943
like,

1142
00:43:54,179 --> 00:43:55,695
like, you know, Carrie,

1143
00:43:56,188 --> 00:43:58,438
and films like this. And

1144
00:43:58,813 --> 00:44:00,426
I love this idea that

1145
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:04,164
probably each and every horror movie god like

1146
00:44:05,830 --> 00:44:08,621
we are theme with them, you know? And

1147
00:44:08,621 --> 00:44:09,520
we could say

1148
00:44:10,296 --> 00:44:12,130
say that about, you know, like, each and

1149
00:44:12,130 --> 00:44:15,200
everything that, you know, like, under the third.

1150
00:44:16,059 --> 00:44:16,300
Like,

1151
00:44:17,019 --> 00:44:17,920
Jordan Pill,

1152
00:44:18,380 --> 00:44:21,019
like get out. It's about, you know, like,

1153
00:44:21,514 --> 00:44:22,492
right? Racism,

1154
00:44:23,029 --> 00:44:24,625
and it's about, you know, like,

1155
00:44:25,502 --> 00:44:28,373
a lot of things besides the being this

1156
00:44:28,373 --> 00:44:30,766
roller cost in the Sc field, you know.

1157
00:44:31,817 --> 00:44:32,295
Oh, yeah.

1158
00:44:33,091 --> 00:44:33,330
Yeah.

1159
00:44:34,046 --> 00:44:36,515
And and... That's the beauty of art. Music,

1160
00:44:37,072 --> 00:44:37,572
movies

1161
00:44:38,108 --> 00:44:38,608
poetry

1162
00:44:39,302 --> 00:44:39,802
is

1163
00:44:40,195 --> 00:44:41,335
again, the creative

1164
00:44:41,635 --> 00:44:42,135
is

1165
00:44:43,315 --> 00:44:44,215
saying or

1166
00:44:44,675 --> 00:44:47,554
showing something so that other people can come

1167
00:44:47,554 --> 00:44:48,755
and see themselves in it.

1168
00:44:49,570 --> 00:44:52,070
And find solace and find

1169
00:44:52,929 --> 00:44:54,550
connection and feel like

1170
00:44:54,929 --> 00:44:57,750
they're not alone. And I think that that

1171
00:44:58,303 --> 00:45:00,695
That's the best part of it. Yeah. Yeah.

1172
00:45:00,935 --> 00:45:02,312
Of course. When you're

1173
00:45:04,205 --> 00:45:07,018
in my position, like, going through this crisis

1174
00:45:07,236 --> 00:45:09,896
alone, like, I lost my friends family

1175
00:45:10,507 --> 00:45:12,887
and people around. And, you know, like, I

1176
00:45:12,887 --> 00:45:14,316
got no fields to hide.

1177
00:45:16,241 --> 00:45:17,517
I got this, you know, like,

1178
00:45:18,793 --> 00:45:20,070
film thing, like Horror.

1179
00:45:21,346 --> 00:45:23,420
And, you know, like, this horror world could

1180
00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:25,666
be, like the perfect safe space. Because, you

1181
00:45:25,666 --> 00:45:27,494
know, like, even being scary,

1182
00:45:28,051 --> 00:45:30,436
it's not as scary as a real world.

1183
00:45:31,389 --> 00:45:33,536
Yeah. Do you get to stay in contact

1184
00:45:33,536 --> 00:45:34,092
with your mom?

1185
00:45:34,743 --> 00:45:36,732
Yeah. For sure. We are calling each other

1186
00:45:36,732 --> 00:45:38,084
each and every day, probably.

1187
00:45:39,197 --> 00:45:39,913
And, yeah,

1188
00:45:40,788 --> 00:45:42,083
we're trying to,

1189
00:45:42,538 --> 00:45:45,197
you know ice. Stay close even being far

1190
00:45:45,331 --> 00:45:46,125
in that company.

1191
00:45:46,601 --> 00:45:47,632
Yeah. Yeah.

1192
00:45:48,267 --> 00:45:49,775
Tell people how they might find you.

1193
00:45:50,744 --> 00:45:52,279
Yeah. I got my Instagram

1194
00:45:52,895 --> 00:45:53,213
account,

1195
00:45:54,488 --> 00:45:56,401
Paul is this is me, you know, like,

1196
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:57,936
Dino Barge, and

1197
00:45:58,313 --> 00:45:59,849
also, I got my Twitter,

1198
00:46:01,995 --> 00:46:02,495
and

1199
00:46:03,192 --> 00:46:05,606
it it would be secret saint

1200
00:46:06,064 --> 00:46:09,347
on Twitter. Yep. So I'm pretty pretty open

1201
00:46:09,347 --> 00:46:11,737
to be reached out, you know? Yeah. Absolutely.

1202
00:46:11,896 --> 00:46:13,888
And I'll put links on hey human podcast

1203
00:46:13,888 --> 00:46:16,773
dot com. Thank you so much for spending

1204
00:46:16,773 --> 00:46:18,447
some time with me and talking about your

1205
00:46:18,447 --> 00:46:18,766
story.

1206
00:46:19,484 --> 00:46:21,239
Yeah. Thank you for having me. Thank you

1207
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,631
for, you know, your your time and this

1208
00:46:23,631 --> 00:46:26,782
opportunity you know, like, it's so so important

1209
00:46:27,241 --> 00:46:28,060
to share

1210
00:46:28,919 --> 00:46:30,117
the story like mine.

1211
00:46:30,916 --> 00:46:33,741
It's not like as my situation

1212
00:46:34,193 --> 00:46:35,645
at all. It's like

1213
00:46:37,447 --> 00:46:38,661
the thing that

1214
00:46:39,193 --> 00:46:40,383
the world right now,

1215
00:46:41,271 --> 00:46:41,748
is

1216
00:46:42,383 --> 00:46:43,098
is ruining.

1217
00:46:44,686 --> 00:46:47,862
The world is not the best place right

1218
00:46:47,862 --> 00:46:50,219
now. But all of this works like

1219
00:46:50,657 --> 00:46:52,750
Ukraine, like Taiwan, like Palestine,

1220
00:46:53,206 --> 00:46:56,072
like a lot of things. And, like American

1221
00:46:56,072 --> 00:46:56,572
policy

1222
00:46:56,949 --> 00:46:59,510
right now, by politics. I mean, because, you

1223
00:46:59,510 --> 00:47:01,418
know, like, I couldn't even imagine that I

1224
00:47:01,418 --> 00:47:03,563
could end up as a refugee live boat.

1225
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:04,755
When I was, like,

1226
00:47:06,186 --> 00:47:07,322
person in Moscow,

1227
00:47:08,347 --> 00:47:09,780
4 or 5 years ago,

1228
00:47:10,655 --> 00:47:13,679
for me, being a refugee, it's like being

1229
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:16,783
a person from Africa or something like that,

1230
00:47:17,022 --> 00:47:17,474
or

1231
00:47:17,834 --> 00:47:18,074
Iran.

1232
00:47:19,752 --> 00:47:21,850
But, you know, like, when you got this

1233
00:47:22,629 --> 00:47:23,688
request for privileges,

1234
00:47:24,627 --> 00:47:26,405
you got this almost

1235
00:47:26,799 --> 00:47:27,299
Phd

1236
00:47:27,918 --> 00:47:28,318
behind.

1237
00:47:29,356 --> 00:47:30,176
And you're

1238
00:47:30,635 --> 00:47:32,313
ending up as a are huge,

1239
00:47:33,113 --> 00:47:34,012
it's kinda

1240
00:47:35,031 --> 00:47:36,070
wow experience.

1241
00:47:36,803 --> 00:47:36,882
Yeah.

1242
00:47:37,919 --> 00:47:39,535
Sometimes people just

1243
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:41,825
need to think about this more.

1244
00:47:42,941 --> 00:47:44,376
I agree. I, it's...

1245
00:47:45,187 --> 00:47:45,687
Frustrating

1246
00:47:46,142 --> 00:47:47,518
the rhetoric around

1247
00:47:49,168 --> 00:47:51,875
political refugee, war torn refugee,

1248
00:47:53,563 --> 00:47:55,398
the people that are coming into the country,

1249
00:47:55,637 --> 00:47:58,588
any country for that matter. I mean, they

1250
00:47:58,588 --> 00:48:01,061
they like to... The rhetoric likes to concentrate

1251
00:48:01,061 --> 00:48:02,496
it on the, oh, it's all criminals. No.

1252
00:48:02,735 --> 00:48:05,005
It's stuck and nurses and

1253
00:48:05,701 --> 00:48:08,354
psychiatrists and pharmacists and

1254
00:48:08,731 --> 00:48:09,710
teachers and

1255
00:48:10,087 --> 00:48:14,007
writers and beautiful interest staying creative humans.

1256
00:48:14,803 --> 00:48:17,272
Oh, sure. And, you know, sometimes when you

1257
00:48:17,272 --> 00:48:17,772
just

1258
00:48:18,387 --> 00:48:20,320
speaking more than 1 languages.

1259
00:48:21,348 --> 00:48:24,474
You just couldn't be considered as a refugee

1260
00:48:24,610 --> 00:48:27,316
or, you know, like, person in in danger

1261
00:48:27,316 --> 00:48:28,192
or something like that.

1262
00:48:28,844 --> 00:48:31,635
They... These people, you know, like, on social

1263
00:48:31,635 --> 00:48:32,114
media,

1264
00:48:32,672 --> 00:48:33,172
just

1265
00:48:33,550 --> 00:48:36,182
or, like, public image, and you're gonna, like,

1266
00:48:36,261 --> 00:48:39,407
that you are, like, fancy person still. But

1267
00:48:39,858 --> 00:48:41,682
we are going through, yeah, you know, a

1268
00:48:41,682 --> 00:48:44,380
dark shared where, you know, this migration system

1269
00:48:44,380 --> 00:48:46,283
with this paperwork with this, you know, like,

1270
00:48:48,131 --> 00:48:48,631
apartment

1271
00:48:49,487 --> 00:48:51,663
looking or something like that. And,

1272
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:52,599
yeah.

1273
00:48:53,476 --> 00:48:53,876
Yes.

1274
00:48:54,369 --> 00:48:56,758
This this way of cleaning is kinda tricky.

1275
00:48:56,997 --> 00:48:57,157
Yeah.

1276
00:48:57,953 --> 00:49:00,741
Yeah. You're doing really well. I know it's

1277
00:49:00,741 --> 00:49:01,059
hard.

1278
00:49:01,936 --> 00:49:03,152
I can only imagine

1279
00:49:03,623 --> 00:49:05,774
what it is to go through it. But

1280
00:49:05,774 --> 00:49:07,549
you've got a friend of me so

1281
00:49:07,925 --> 00:49:10,554
So much. And, like, what I really appreciate

1282
00:49:10,554 --> 00:49:12,306
that. Because, you know, like, as I told

1283
00:49:12,306 --> 00:49:13,436
you, people,

1284
00:49:14,232 --> 00:49:16,221
it's like our main value.

1285
00:49:16,778 --> 00:49:17,017
Yeah.

1286
00:49:17,813 --> 00:49:19,722
It takes all of us in my humble

1287
00:49:19,722 --> 00:49:21,893
opinion. And I'm excited because you're gonna come

1288
00:49:21,893 --> 00:49:23,731
meet some really cool people on Thursday.

1289
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:26,548
I hope so. Hope. Yeah. Yeah. I

1290
00:49:27,326 --> 00:49:30,694
so Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much.

1291
00:49:31,013 --> 00:49:32,688
You might I really appreciate it, and thank

1292
00:49:32,688 --> 00:49:35,319
you for listening everybody. Thank you so much.

1293
00:49:35,798 --> 00:49:37,712
Yeah. Thank you. Bye bye.

1294
00:49:42,020 --> 00:49:44,722
Great review and subscribe to hey human podcast

1295
00:49:44,722 --> 00:49:47,208
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1296
00:49:47,678 --> 00:49:48,795
Thanks. Bye.