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Hey, humans. How's it going? Susan Ruth here.

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Thanks for listening to another episode of hey,

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human podcast.

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This is episode 413,

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and my guest is Wiley Mcgraw. Wiley story

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is a ride through professional baseball,

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competitive bull writing and 3 tours of service

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is a Us army combat veteran.

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He's also the host of wise words and

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whiskey podcast.

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We had a great conversation. This took place

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a little while ago,

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and I'm just now getting it out into

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the world.

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And really interesting guy,

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really a stand up guy. Love talking to

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him.

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And I think you will enjoy this 1.

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I really appreciate you, and thanks for, you

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know, being a part of this journey with

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Be well, be kind,

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be beloved

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Here we go.

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Why leave girl welcome to hey human.

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Thanks for having. I appreciate it.

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I learned of view through Rebecca.

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Our mutual business associates. I guess, yeah a

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good way to put it. And

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she

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had reached out to me actually about you

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I started of reading your bio and I

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thought, well.

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I wanna get this guy on my show.

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So Was trying to help her get you

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on another show. Yeah. And so I'm really

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glad you're here. It's well. Thank you. Yeah.

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Yeah. I think so too. And thank you

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for the the support on the other show

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as well. Yeah. Absolutely. My pleasure. Let's start

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with where did you grow up what shaped

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into becoming who you are now?

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that's quite the stories. I'll do my best

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to

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t it is as fast as very as

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possible. But I I was born in Southern

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California. So From Orange County, California, originally. I'm

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the oldest of 3 boys, and I grew

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up into a household of sport. So my

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father was a semi pro ball player in

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the seventies. As an out filter, you know,

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had potential to be a professional baseball player

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of different variables from there wasn't a ton

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of money in sports in the seventies, at

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elsewhere. So he didn't go that route. However,

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you know, having 3 sons, you know, the

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first born showcasing that he had an arm

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at a very young age. My dad started

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to cultivate, you know, the whole sports

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persona. So we were put right into sports.

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did play

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football off season. I did play some soccer

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as a young kid. Which I really enjoyed

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as well. My middle brother played in Baseball,

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but he was more of a football focus

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guy. And then my youngest brother brother who

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came 6 years after I was born at

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it at some point when he got on

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owner, he started to do a little bit

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of of all of the different sports but.

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I think he found his footing, like, the

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cross country tracking field. So we found our

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own niches as, you know, these young men.

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Grow up an house full of, you know,

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grandparents were entrepreneurs,

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uncles and aunts medical professionals, doctors, my dad

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real estate his entire life, so he sold,

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really really good high end properties and things

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like that. I grew up in a a

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pretty decent middle class. I would say upper

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middle class family.

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However, you know, it's again, it's big Irish

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Scottish Catholic family, so all my grandparents are,

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you know, they hail from Scotland and Ireland.

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household where it was very strict, disciplined,

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very focused, stoic if you will at time.

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know, you were met as a child to

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be seen and I heard my and queues.

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My, you, my parents taught me, you know,

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manner morals

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respect for my elders. Like, rub that kind

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of environment. However, there are a lot of

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other variables to the intensity of that kind

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of family dynamic that I help Mold as

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well. I mean, dealing with people that had

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a very high functioning addictions to stress a

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lot of a lot of generational, stress and

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trauma that was not dealt with. So that

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seat into the family life as I grew

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up, but sports were the outlets. So I

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played sports urine and in year out,

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Excel that as a picture. Was a sturdy

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picture on every Baseball team that I played

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on because of my my talent capabilities. And

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as I got older,

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I noticed that

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I got into high school and I was

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like, okay. I started to have those conversations

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as a as they go, man going, okay,

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but, what do I really want? You know?

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Is this a sports we're sports the thing

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I would actually really chose or... And I

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realized I was actually put into the game

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and not really...

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I didn't get to decide.

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The game itself. I need get to choose

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that path. So as I got into high

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school, sort develop my friendships and, you know,

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your personality grows,

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I had that battle in my mind of,

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like, where I wanted to go, and I

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started to seek out alternative worlds that really

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started to challenge that I wanted to be

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challenged.

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And I wanted to go break away from

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the conditioning of you're gonna perform perfect in

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the sport. You're gonna be an athlete year

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in you're out. This is your focus. You

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go to church. You go school. You do

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your work, good gig grades. You know, and

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I did well. I mean, I, you know,

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my off time, I played play Gi Joe's

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with my brothers and my friend's neighborhood. We

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wrote be on bikes. We escape all the

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time, You know, we're Gen kid. So we're

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always

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away from the house, we were focused on

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sports. So it was really pulling got those

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experiences.

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Learn how to survive on water... Water from

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garden hoses and, like, you know, riding bikes

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10 miles away from when you're not supposed

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to. And it was fun. But as you

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get older, you go, okay. Well, where am

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I gonna start grounding myself to to what

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it is that I want and you start

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to notice those patterns, those those emotions those

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thoughts... And they start to conflict with what

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you up with. And for me, personally, I

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started to combat that path that I felt

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that I was being put on and I

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found myself naturally challenging what my dad expected

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of me, and I chose to move towards

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a different direction. So at that point, I

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got into bull writing I think it's 16

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years old in high school. I got in

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this competitive world of, of riding bowls and

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Rodeo. That exciting me turn me on to

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a whole new, meaning of life at self,

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what it meant for me to be a

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little bit more while, a little bit more

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free. And I wanted more of this. So

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I started chasing things that kinda mimic those

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environments and the the next best thing that

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came from that experience was a military And

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and of course, coming also from a legacy

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military family, it made sense, though at the

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same time, you know, that would be kind

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of like a part of the path or

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the decision making process. So

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in a nutshell, I grew up in a...

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I mean, again, I... It's not like, you

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know, there was no

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danger or chaos to the degree of, like,

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I had a very bad upbringing.

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But, again,

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I grew up in a good household as

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far as manners in and morals and Pc

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queues and learning how how to actually live

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in society and respecting 1 another

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but the stress of the dynamics in the

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family, they started to play a role and

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where I wanted to take my life, and

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I think that's why when I got the

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into the high school world I found myself

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pulling away from sports and got into rodeo

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and then eventually the military and said I

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wanna go get away from all this and

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figure out how to carve my own path.

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How was the family reaction to you deciding

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to go a different direction. The fact that

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your eldest child probably helps. I imagine.

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It's interesting this is my father, So I

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look like my dad. So I'm I'm I'm

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literally spitting image of him. And I think

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my dad expected to be as a leader

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of the boys

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for the 2 brothers to set the example

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and to lead by that example, but to

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stay focused on a very specific career path

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so that I can mold and shape the

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younger brothers to do the same. Again, very

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successful people in my family. I mean, I'm...

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We're we're talking about hospital executives, doctors,

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My grandparents were multimillion millionaires because they were

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in their investments in their entrepreneurial entrepreneurship and

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stuff like that. So

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it's you know, my my dad's dad was

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a world war 2 vet, you know, Normandy

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as well. I'll retired police chief. So they,

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you know, they... There... There's this interesting background

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between all the different members of the family.

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But my father,

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he wanted something specific for me. And I

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understand to respect that, I I get it.

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But when I decided to start to naturally

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break away from... I would say the... I

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the... It's almost like I was... I felt

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more confined by the

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by the expectation rather than free. I love

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the baseball I love to play the game,

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but it naturally didn't evolve to where I

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could go to college and play it. It'd

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be where I should've have gone. I did

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my own thing. And

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to answer your question really, what was interesting

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was my dad and I got into a

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lot of heated

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back and forth, arguments units and conversations throughout

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high school because of that decision. He did

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not like me writing bulls. He, you know,

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he told me he gave me an attitude,

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which I thought was Hilarious and I was

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like, well... I've got an attitude because of

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how I beat expected to to perform. So

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I don't know. It was... I would say

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I look back now given especially everything I've

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done in my life and even the work

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I do, etcetera.

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It gave me a whole new playing field

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with dealing with the unknowns and stress, and

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dealing with and managing

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confrontation. And learning how to stay in the

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discomfort and realizing that that discomfort doesn't mean

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it's bad. It just means

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something's changing. So I took that harley it

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into the rest of my life and realized,

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I was built to confront, And I just

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needed those experiences to awaken that up. And

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I think that, you know, again, I look

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at this way. I was going to Church.

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I was praying for a a different life.

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I wanted to look maybe God was directing

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me in that way. Like, hey, I need

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you to confront something, so you can expose,

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a little bit more of how you were

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built. And you can find your footing in

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in life of the path you wanna go

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on and so you can walk up happen

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to me. I I cherish

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the decision to go against my dad's wishes.

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And I honor the confrontation that I had

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with him through high school, and it was

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very uncomfortable coming home on a daily basis,

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be under his roof. My dad's very stoke

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and very it gives you a look and

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you're like, okay. I'm not I'm not crossing

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that boundary. You know, my dad dad's not

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a push over. So having that those interactions

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built me into a different type of more

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brazil like man and really helped me accept

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excel in the military and then take that

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from the military and move out into the

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world we're finding my my footing as an

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entrepreneur and do my own thing. Really,

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I I look back in and I'm I'm

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grateful for him. So isn't it interesting

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that we put a negative

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connotation on

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confrontation. That that word of itself. Sounds very

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intense when Right really all it is is

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having boundaries

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and having a voice,

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and learning how to have your own voice.

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Right? And and saying this is who I

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am and having dominion over oneself.

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And I think now I you're Gen x.

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Right? So the language back then, not so

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much. The language now, of course, facilitates that

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kind of

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standing up for oneself, but you grew up

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in a totally different time, and that's...

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That takes big honest, I think to stand

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up to the father, especially as the eldest

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Child. Where... Was on around? No. My parents

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were divorced when I was 12. That's, again,

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that stress did not help, you know,

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3 brothers. So, again, it's horrible when parents

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get divorced in general regardless of the situation.

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So that that was another...

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Another whole world. I had to be the

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oldest in that

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dynamic

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to help deal with my mom's new husband,

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my dad's in relationship, the brothers, etcetera. So

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there was a lot more of that compounded

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on top of everything we had going on.

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They did the best I could for what

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they had going on. And and it is

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what it. And at this point, I think

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all these years later, they're still best friends

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and I still... Have known each other since

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my mom was 13 years old. So it's

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not like they're going anywhere. But the reality

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here was, yeah. In that time, you don't

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you don't... You mind p's in queues. You

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you respect your elders. You don't argue in

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combat,

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your parents or grandparents, you know? And it's...

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However, I I also feel like there's... Again,

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there's a spectrum to that. Just like you

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just said, competition sounds like a very charged

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word, but there's a spectrum to competition. I

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think the lowest end of it would be

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to just do something you know you need

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as a boundary

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and ask someone to participate that otherwise would

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neglect or reject you for it might be

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uncomfortable for you as a lower end spectrum

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of the confrontation. Whereas the hiring end could

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be an actual all out physical altercation with

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someone or

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or straight up getting into AAA raging argument

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to to to create some form of, like,

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discord change in the in the relationship or

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dynamic And I think people miss that as

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well. They go

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confrontation equals discomfort, discomfort. I don't like and

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I avoid it, and then they get upset

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and wonder why things aren't necessarily changing or

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their isn't being produced through the efforts that

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they that they're... They are putting it. And

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I I've had a conversation someone recently about

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that. And they said, I'm not a conversational

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person. They yeah, But you've been doing the

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the way you've been doing for 15 years.

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Nothing's been changing. So maybe it's time for

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you to actually confront x in your in

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your life and maybe you have that conversation

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that you've been avoiding it this entire time.

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Because that's what you've been missing. Is that

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1 piece of competition. And it's just tell

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the person how you feel, share with them

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what you need, tell them what you want

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for your life. And and letting them have

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that react and realizing

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nothing bad gonna happen to you. So... Yeah.

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No I mean, it's tied into Ego. Right?

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We're afraid to say how we feel about

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things we don't want the other person to

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think less of us. And so Right keep

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quiet. And that... A big part of it.

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Yeah. I think a big part of that

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too is, self

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awareness.

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The fact that we don't even confront ourselves

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with so much.

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Oh, we avoid more than we actually confront

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The... And I I think you'll appreciate this

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is it takes more energy to avoid something

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than it does to confront it. It sounds

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counterintuitive intuitive, but the truth is it it

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it you actually have to

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ex exhaust so much more mind space, brain

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brain energy, heart all of it to hold

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on to and avoid something. Rather than just

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going, you know what? I'm gonna have this

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uncomfortable moment with this person or this situation

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because I need to not carry this anymore,

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and I need to move through it. And

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I think that's the heart adversity does build

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character and it does build resilience and it

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does build strength within us to handle

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life's challenges and problems that we face because

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life is basically war. We're gonna constantly go

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through them. If you're not... If you're... If,

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like train at the gym or anything, you

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might If you're not doing it consistently and

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getting the experience, when you actually face something

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real and really hard, it you crumble under

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that pressure, and then you... Then you're back...

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I think it's like that 2 steps forward

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step back. You're further backed than you wanted

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to be, and you're your grasping for what's

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next?

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To pull you through that. And then I

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think that's the last thought here I would

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say is that's where people get lost in

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the world of spending time energy money

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on solutions they think outside of themselves that

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are gonna pull them through that those problems

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rather than realize. I have to first address

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myself, and then I have to confront that

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reality and then I have to go do

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something about it. Yeah. It's interesting that you

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said life is like war. I... I'm it's

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terrible as that sounds. I I actually agree

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with that statement.

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We do fight our battles

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all the time. We're constantly...

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Life is a series of walking through fire.

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It is. And if it's too comfortable, you

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don't grow. And it's

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my 1 of my favorite quotes I kinda

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altered it, you know, because I live by

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it, but,

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I'm trying... And Frank said it was

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you only truly know someone when you fight

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them. It is only then that their character

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is revealed.

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And that's... It is so true. Even in

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in... When it comes to people coaching each

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other when it comes to therapy, when it

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comes to

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anything in life that is meant to propel

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us forward in a more progressive manner as

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an individual's.

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If you don't have If you're not willing

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to fight that person through whatever dynamic is

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sticking because our human beings are very

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resistant to change. So anything that's ugly and

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uncomfortable that they deemed as

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do not touch... Do not look, do not

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say. Those are the very things we should

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be fighting. Those are the very things we

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should be confronting interrupted, getting out in the

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front because those are the very things that

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are in fact, limiting people's capacity to actually

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experience more for their life. But we we

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wanna tip to around that. We wanna find

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the hacker the the shortcut, and we wanna

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create an idea of just discomfort in our

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mind by doing kinda some little... Like, you

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know, we'll do a couple reps in the

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gym. I feel a little bit of a

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burn in my biceps, so I'm gonna stop

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right there. Whereas if you were to embrace

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that burn and go beyond that burn. That's

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when the muscle starts to grow. And I

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think that's the piece that's missing too. Mh.

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Before we get into military, I... Just because

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how often do I get to talk to

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someone that's written around on a bowl. What

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was that like?

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Scary. Yeah And also, not to be rude,

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but how does that match just destroy your

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genitals?

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I know no. It's not rude. It's a

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great question. I... You know what? I I

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think you're the second person ever asked me

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that. So it's interesting is because it's all

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about technique and fundamentals. So when you learn

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how to sit on the back of the

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animal. Again, like, we're men, we have those

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things there I'm sitting on a chair. So

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at the end of the day, I'm still

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not crushing myself, well, there's a technique to

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it. There's a way you sit down on

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it. Writing bowls is no different. However, it's

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a live animal and. So there's a lot

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of g duration and movement under underneath refused,

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so there's a lot could happen. And I

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have been jar there a few times. So

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it's not like it doesn't happen. However,

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the focus,

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it's like... But riding bulls was scary, exciting,

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exhilarating

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nerve nerve wracking. It was all emotions you

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truly can feel it once when you start

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doing it at first.

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All present. It's almost like a flood of

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every part of you just becomes alive. It's...

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You go, wow. I never even

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understood

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as a human need, what that would even

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feel look or sound like. And you talking

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about adrenaline, like the adrenaline drug? Or Not

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even the adrenaline just

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it's almost like a the wait... It's the

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awakening of your mind, the ability to... It

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it almost brought broaden your horizons. It's the

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I don't know how to explain it it's

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such an experiential thing. However, I would say

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it ignited a version of myself that I

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think had been missing planes baseball with my

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dad and growing up in that household. It

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was like this exciting new part of this

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wild version of Wiley that

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I knew was there that I didn't know

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how to access. It's almost like getting into

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that very uncomfortable environment, which is bull writing.

529
00:18:06,521 --> 00:18:09,652
Rodeo is Very dangerous. It's very it's very

530
00:18:09,652 --> 00:18:12,630
full of unknowns. That's the key. It it

531
00:18:12,849 --> 00:18:14,367
it excited be because there were so many

532
00:18:14,367 --> 00:18:16,445
variables of unknowns that I I could not

533
00:18:16,445 --> 00:18:18,926
control. And I think that's what really old

534
00:18:18,926 --> 00:18:21,151
me towards and wars because what could you

535
00:18:21,151 --> 00:18:23,217
be capable of if you embrace the unknowns,

536
00:18:23,376 --> 00:18:25,284
you embrace a fear that comes from those

537
00:18:25,284 --> 00:18:25,522
unknowns?

538
00:18:26,093 --> 00:18:28,002
And then you learn for what you discover,

539
00:18:28,399 --> 00:18:30,148
when you get shocked to buy what comes

540
00:18:30,148 --> 00:18:31,977
at you through that unknown. And to me,

541
00:18:32,136 --> 00:18:33,726
bull writing gave all of that to me.

542
00:18:34,457 --> 00:18:36,208
On top of a couple Charlie horses and

543
00:18:36,208 --> 00:18:38,198
some rack, you know, groin area stuff and

544
00:18:38,198 --> 00:18:40,267
some broken bones, but back. I'm sure. Yeah

545
00:18:40,426 --> 00:18:42,018
Broken... Yeah. I've fractured my o 4 when

546
00:18:42,097 --> 00:18:44,657
I was 21. So it it is amazing

547
00:18:44,657 --> 00:18:46,803
how that all just... It was almost like

548
00:18:46,803 --> 00:18:49,347
it solidified the world of, okay. What fear

549
00:18:49,347 --> 00:18:51,669
means what we can do with fear? How

550
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:53,509
we can harness it how we... It's not

551
00:18:53,509 --> 00:18:54,549
about trying to get rid of it and

552
00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:56,789
realized it's about recognizing it and why it's

553
00:18:56,789 --> 00:18:58,890
being stimulated and how do we harness that

554
00:18:58,950 --> 00:19:00,877
situation? To then ex execute it into our

555
00:19:00,877 --> 00:19:02,548
performance so that we can execute upon a

556
00:19:02,548 --> 00:19:04,458
task, we not may not be total a

557
00:19:04,458 --> 00:19:06,368
control of. And realize realizing that life is

558
00:19:06,368 --> 00:19:08,279
full of unknowns and life is full of

559
00:19:08,279 --> 00:19:10,366
variables we cannot. I think humans try to

560
00:19:10,366 --> 00:19:12,143
control everything, and that's why I feel they're

561
00:19:12,201 --> 00:19:14,435
they're miserable and they're unfulfilled and they're always

562
00:19:14,435 --> 00:19:15,732
seeking more things

563
00:19:16,524 --> 00:19:18,524
and they're not surrendering and realizing there's a

564
00:19:18,524 --> 00:19:20,365
lot we can't control and there's other factors

565
00:19:20,365 --> 00:19:21,644
in life that we need to give ourselves

566
00:19:21,644 --> 00:19:23,724
to. So more writing just became this, like,

567
00:19:24,298 --> 00:19:26,209
5 years, I could did it competitively on

568
00:19:26,209 --> 00:19:27,802
the lighter end. I got to just be

569
00:19:27,802 --> 00:19:28,518
more grit,

570
00:19:29,315 --> 00:19:29,815
more

571
00:19:30,748 --> 00:19:32,443
wild. I got to explore

572
00:19:33,154 --> 00:19:34,832
versions of my sides of myself that I

573
00:19:34,832 --> 00:19:37,170
didn't even the... I wasn't even allowed to

574
00:19:37,230 --> 00:19:39,547
ex dude in that household. You know? And

575
00:19:39,787 --> 00:19:41,545
I got rowdy with cowboys. I learned how

576
00:19:41,545 --> 00:19:42,991
to fist quite better that way. I mean,

577
00:19:43,150 --> 00:19:45,000
all the all those different pieces

578
00:19:46,008 --> 00:19:49,026
gave me AAA new view of the world

579
00:19:49,026 --> 00:19:49,502
around me.

580
00:19:50,153 --> 00:19:52,302
And I took that as, like, a really

581
00:19:52,302 --> 00:19:54,371
nice stepping tool, but also a tool, a

582
00:19:54,371 --> 00:19:55,906
really good tool

583
00:19:56,361 --> 00:19:58,126
for me as a human being. Not saying

584
00:19:58,126 --> 00:19:59,317
you have to go right a all, but

585
00:19:59,476 --> 00:20:01,144
I would find environments that are similar that

586
00:20:01,144 --> 00:20:02,971
really scare you because if it doesn't really

587
00:20:02,971 --> 00:20:04,241
scare you, it's not really gonna change you.

588
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,592
If you're not shocked from within,

589
00:20:06,083 --> 00:20:07,751
nothing changes. You have to be rattled And

590
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:09,339
I think it's going back to conversation we've

591
00:20:09,339 --> 00:20:11,507
talked about is if you're not... I confronted

592
00:20:11,643 --> 00:20:13,152
the fear. I got the back of a

593
00:20:13,152 --> 00:20:14,343
bowl. Unless I'm gonna do it anyway. And

594
00:20:14,343 --> 00:20:15,709
when that both fell on me, I loved

595
00:20:15,709 --> 00:20:17,224
it. I was like. Let's do it again

596
00:20:17,384 --> 00:20:18,739
Let's do it again. Let's do it again.

597
00:20:18,899 --> 00:20:19,935
Let's see what else I can do. Let's

598
00:20:19,935 --> 00:20:21,451
see what else I I'm capable of. And

599
00:20:21,451 --> 00:20:22,886
at some point, when if god tells me

600
00:20:22,886 --> 00:20:24,242
stop, he's gonna... I'm gonna stop. And 1

601
00:20:24,242 --> 00:20:25,854
day, I I got stopped, and that's just

602
00:20:25,854 --> 00:20:28,171
how it works. So... What stopped you? I

603
00:20:28,171 --> 00:20:29,929
broke my back. Oh, that would do it.

604
00:20:30,089 --> 00:20:33,046
Yeah. Yeah. Right here. I'm I'm fortunate. I

605
00:20:33,046 --> 00:20:34,980
would say blessed because I was in the

606
00:20:34,980 --> 00:20:36,500
army at the time, and we'll go go

607
00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:37,940
to that. I was on leave and I

608
00:20:37,940 --> 00:20:39,779
fractured my L 4, but I fractured the

609
00:20:39,779 --> 00:20:41,059
body in the l 4 with my hairline.

610
00:20:41,220 --> 00:20:43,059
So I didn't break any of the external

611
00:20:43,059 --> 00:20:45,304
bones and it damaging the nerves. It was

612
00:20:45,304 --> 00:20:47,053
just a a hard impact and blunt forced

613
00:20:47,053 --> 00:20:48,405
trauma into the lower back after I got

614
00:20:48,405 --> 00:20:50,314
thrown off, and I got rehab for a

615
00:20:50,314 --> 00:20:51,745
few months, and I got back into training.

616
00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:53,755
I didn't... I definitely didn't lose out any

617
00:20:53,755 --> 00:20:56,729
opportunities think on. So... The way you're describing

618
00:20:56,787 --> 00:20:59,442
being on the ball, it it feels like

619
00:21:00,951 --> 00:21:04,063
what I imagine an Olympia fields, or it's

620
00:21:04,063 --> 00:21:06,796
that idea or a ballet dancer or

621
00:21:07,188 --> 00:21:08,938
that thing or even a admitted to something

622
00:21:08,938 --> 00:21:12,437
that's deep and meditation that or kung fu

623
00:21:12,437 --> 00:21:14,346
any of that stuff. It's almost like your

624
00:21:14,346 --> 00:21:16,588
whole body has to be on at the

625
00:21:16,588 --> 00:21:18,681
same time until it becomes

626
00:21:20,012 --> 00:21:22,878
almost like a flow state, and that means

627
00:21:22,878 --> 00:21:24,889
just... We're bond and you probably on the

628
00:21:24,889 --> 00:21:27,529
beginning. I'm sure, but that you develop it

629
00:21:27,529 --> 00:21:28,269
into being

630
00:21:29,369 --> 00:21:31,699
such a hyper awareness of every part of

631
00:21:31,699 --> 00:21:33,767
not only your being. That's good. Mean average

632
00:21:33,767 --> 00:21:35,596
not horses, and I know don't have to...

633
00:21:35,835 --> 00:21:37,187
Really... It sounds corny.

634
00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:39,196
But you had to become 1 with the

635
00:21:39,196 --> 00:21:41,989
horse to really have a exceptional ride. You

636
00:21:41,989 --> 00:21:44,942
you become 1 being. You do. I imagine

637
00:21:44,942 --> 00:21:45,875
that it's it's

638
00:21:46,234 --> 00:21:48,708
kind of like that. It's exactly. And a

639
00:21:48,708 --> 00:21:51,023
great way to describe that for people too

640
00:21:51,023 --> 00:21:52,539
because it is... You would do have to

641
00:21:52,539 --> 00:21:54,136
connect to that animal, And that's the thing

642
00:21:54,136 --> 00:21:54,636
is

643
00:21:55,109 --> 00:21:57,107
it like horses. I love riding horses too.

644
00:21:57,346 --> 00:21:58,625
When you're on the back of that, it's

645
00:21:58,625 --> 00:21:59,744
that's a that's a life...

646
00:22:00,303 --> 00:22:02,481
You're you're on the back of another living

647
00:22:02,540 --> 00:22:02,860
creature.

648
00:22:03,513 --> 00:22:05,502
There is a spirit there. So you connect

649
00:22:05,502 --> 00:22:07,888
to that animal and you realize that this

650
00:22:07,888 --> 00:22:09,638
is not... You're not... If you separate yourself,

651
00:22:09,877 --> 00:22:11,309
that's when I find... I found that when

652
00:22:11,388 --> 00:22:12,916
I would do the separation when I'd be

653
00:22:12,916 --> 00:22:14,827
too focused on... I'm gonna ride and I

654
00:22:14,827 --> 00:22:17,455
get too worried into my prep team again

655
00:22:17,455 --> 00:22:18,411
get on the back of them. I would

656
00:22:18,411 --> 00:22:19,924
actually get thrown off much quicker or I

657
00:22:19,924 --> 00:22:21,690
get slammed a little harder. When I would

658
00:22:21,690 --> 00:22:23,996
be present a little bit more focused, and

659
00:22:24,075 --> 00:22:25,744
I would connect to the, I would feel

660
00:22:25,744 --> 00:22:27,493
that life underneath me. I would fuel his

661
00:22:27,493 --> 00:22:29,242
breath and moving in and shifting in a

662
00:22:29,242 --> 00:22:31,485
in that shoot. Prior to come out, putting

663
00:22:31,485 --> 00:22:33,555
our rope on there, smelling him and just

664
00:22:33,555 --> 00:22:36,502
connecting with him, slowing down and actually allowing

665
00:22:36,502 --> 00:22:38,731
myself to be present, to be focused to

666
00:22:38,731 --> 00:22:42,433
be 1 with my emotions connecting to just

667
00:22:42,969 --> 00:22:43,766
that moment.

668
00:22:44,802 --> 00:22:45,997
My rides were way better.

669
00:22:46,889 --> 00:22:48,247
Now it doesn't mean I didn't... You don't

670
00:22:48,247 --> 00:22:50,244
practice. We have fundamentals. You go train on

671
00:22:50,244 --> 00:22:52,082
barrels that we have we build together to

672
00:22:52,082 --> 00:22:54,413
to practice the bucking patterns and you you

673
00:22:54,413 --> 00:22:56,009
strengthen your body. You have to strengthen your

674
00:22:56,009 --> 00:22:58,323
forums. Bull writing is 80 percent legs. So

675
00:22:58,323 --> 00:23:00,239
you ask about, you know, the groin. A

676
00:23:00,239 --> 00:23:01,595
lot of the times you're posting your... You

677
00:23:01,595 --> 00:23:03,198
sell by squeezing your legs up off the

678
00:23:03,198 --> 00:23:05,495
animals. So there's a lot of physical demand

679
00:23:05,495 --> 00:23:07,555
in that sport as well. But as the

680
00:23:07,555 --> 00:23:08,902
years progressed like riding horses.

681
00:23:09,634 --> 00:23:10,755
I was in the same way. When First

682
00:23:10,755 --> 00:23:11,954
got my first source I'm like, I don't

683
00:23:11,954 --> 00:23:13,315
what to do. After a while, you become

684
00:23:13,315 --> 00:23:14,835
home with that animal, and they could feel

685
00:23:14,835 --> 00:23:16,115
you too, and then the... It's almost like

686
00:23:16,115 --> 00:23:18,115
a dance. Mh. She's had his beautiful dance.

687
00:23:18,688 --> 00:23:21,551
And you end up performing way better. It's

688
00:23:21,551 --> 00:23:23,698
interesting how that works. The animal knows.

689
00:23:24,493 --> 00:23:26,641
Yeah. I I believe the animal knows. They

690
00:23:26,641 --> 00:23:29,201
do. When you're connecting to them. The it's

691
00:23:29,201 --> 00:23:31,110
a respect and an honor thing.

692
00:23:31,826 --> 00:23:33,497
Granted, I'd need to be a bowl with

693
00:23:33,497 --> 00:23:35,259
all my junk tied up and a knot

694
00:23:35,259 --> 00:23:37,006
or whatever they do to make them so

695
00:23:37,006 --> 00:23:38,912
pissed off. But Well, that you're they're ready.

696
00:23:39,071 --> 00:23:40,659
They're all the raise to do that. So

697
00:23:40,659 --> 00:23:42,644
they are the the rough stock that these

698
00:23:42,644 --> 00:23:43,144
companies

699
00:23:43,454 --> 00:23:44,569
rays for babies,

700
00:23:45,048 --> 00:23:47,917
our bread to buck. That's lit literally all

701
00:23:47,917 --> 00:23:49,351
they're designed to do It's like a race

702
00:23:49,351 --> 00:23:51,914
force. They're the bread to buck. They know

703
00:23:51,914 --> 00:23:53,505
when they get in that tight confined space,

704
00:23:53,663 --> 00:23:55,015
and they have that... What's called a flank

705
00:23:55,015 --> 00:23:56,844
strap. It's rapid... It is. It's closer to

706
00:23:56,844 --> 00:23:59,388
the, like, your... About is a strap around

707
00:23:59,388 --> 00:24:00,342
your bladder.

708
00:24:00,994 --> 00:24:02,905
And squeeze right around that area a rope

709
00:24:02,905 --> 00:24:05,136
really tight. That's uncomfortable. So, yes, there's a

710
00:24:05,136 --> 00:24:06,570
flank strap there that they're trying to kick

711
00:24:06,570 --> 00:24:08,721
up as well. Plus they have your rope

712
00:24:08,721 --> 00:24:10,883
right underneath their breast plate. So that you

713
00:24:10,883 --> 00:24:12,230
have these 2 ropes on this animal. So

714
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:13,815
it's already designed to do that. And then

715
00:24:13,815 --> 00:24:14,924
on top of that you're giving it in

716
00:24:14,924 --> 00:24:16,508
this confinement and you're putting these ropes on

717
00:24:16,508 --> 00:24:17,434
it of course, it's gonna

718
00:24:17,793 --> 00:24:19,066
blow out of that gig and that gate

719
00:24:19,066 --> 00:24:20,578
opens and it's gonna try to throw you

720
00:24:20,578 --> 00:24:22,011
and everything else that it's not on it.

721
00:24:22,170 --> 00:24:25,195
And, I I've spent time in rodeo arenas

722
00:24:25,195 --> 00:24:26,866
prior to a jackpot that I ridden in.

723
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:28,790
Hanging out with some of the rough stock

724
00:24:28,790 --> 00:24:29,903
that we were gonna ride the next day,

725
00:24:29,983 --> 00:24:31,574
and they're just grazing in walking around us

726
00:24:31,574 --> 00:24:33,880
while we're drinking beer and no, they're not

727
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,605
kicking us trying to kill us. So

728
00:24:36,042 --> 00:24:38,669
they're just docile loving creatures as well when

729
00:24:38,669 --> 00:24:39,942
they're not putting in that position to do

730
00:24:39,942 --> 00:24:41,557
their job. So it's

731
00:24:41,932 --> 00:24:43,126
it it's pretty wild

732
00:24:43,524 --> 00:24:44,957
to have that experience. Yeah.

733
00:24:45,529 --> 00:24:46,404
So interesting.

734
00:24:46,961 --> 00:24:48,869
Yeah. I love this. I would... I've never

735
00:24:48,869 --> 00:24:50,301
been able to ask these questions, so it's

736
00:24:50,301 --> 00:24:51,892
really great. That's great.

737
00:24:53,164 --> 00:24:53,562
It's great.

738
00:24:54,134 --> 00:24:56,625
Do you 2, if going back to this

739
00:24:56,763 --> 00:25:00,028
conversation about confrontation, I have a a show

740
00:25:00,028 --> 00:25:01,701
that I do on Youtube with my friend

741
00:25:01,701 --> 00:25:02,759
who's a sex psychologist.

742
00:25:03,309 --> 00:25:05,149
And we had an... It's it's a sex

743
00:25:05,149 --> 00:25:07,710
and relationship show, and we had an episode

744
00:25:07,710 --> 00:25:08,210
about

745
00:25:08,909 --> 00:25:09,309
communicating.

746
00:25:09,869 --> 00:25:10,369
And

747
00:25:10,923 --> 00:25:13,794
I talked about how they say when you

748
00:25:13,794 --> 00:25:15,172
had to have those really big

749
00:25:16,027 --> 00:25:19,775
conversations with your your partner or family, whatever.

750
00:25:20,429 --> 00:25:23,149
That to touch them in some way, whether

751
00:25:23,149 --> 00:25:25,069
your feet are touching or your hands are

752
00:25:25,069 --> 00:25:25,470
touching,

753
00:25:26,829 --> 00:25:28,429
and I I feel like it's it's a

754
00:25:28,429 --> 00:25:30,525
little bit of the same sort of thing,

755
00:25:30,765 --> 00:25:32,464
You know, the little hand on the shoulder

756
00:25:32,525 --> 00:25:35,105
or or being so close in proximity

757
00:25:36,044 --> 00:25:38,525
that that your energetic fields if you will.

758
00:25:39,016 --> 00:25:42,505
Our coat or comm ming? Yeah. Yeah. That

759
00:25:42,505 --> 00:25:43,005
it

760
00:25:43,377 --> 00:25:44,907
facilitates a much better

761
00:25:45,517 --> 00:25:46,017
communication

762
00:25:46,959 --> 00:25:48,781
in those times of stress when you have

763
00:25:48,781 --> 00:25:50,366
to talk about the really important things.

764
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,059
Yeah. That's good That's good that you brought

765
00:25:53,059 --> 00:25:53,297
that up.

766
00:25:54,345 --> 00:25:56,096
I would... My brain's going a thousand miles

767
00:25:56,096 --> 00:25:56,653
an hour that 1.

768
00:25:58,721 --> 00:25:59,937
It's interesting is

769
00:26:01,202 --> 00:26:02,498
Yes. I I

770
00:26:02,872 --> 00:26:04,701
people that have to have the hard arguments

771
00:26:04,701 --> 00:26:07,246
or conversations in the relationship. Most of the

772
00:26:07,246 --> 00:26:09,018
time when they... It starts to get really

773
00:26:10,188 --> 00:26:10,688
plot

774
00:26:11,395 --> 00:26:13,300
what's the first thing most people do? Time

775
00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:13,458
up?

776
00:26:15,046 --> 00:26:17,982
If to be I go, no. I even

777
00:26:17,982 --> 00:26:19,429
some of even my psychologist,

778
00:26:20,065 --> 00:26:21,497
colleagues I have that work in my business

779
00:26:21,497 --> 00:26:22,929
with me over the years is to the

780
00:26:22,929 --> 00:26:24,520
fact that what I've even understood in the

781
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,907
dynamics of human beings, how messy we really

782
00:26:26,907 --> 00:26:29,000
are. Those are the moments. When it's getting

783
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,000
hot, that's when you're getting truth. That's when

784
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:31,659
you're getting

785
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,200
the clarity of what's really going on. And

786
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,279
it... That is when you should actually stay

787
00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:37,512
engaged. Now

788
00:26:37,885 --> 00:26:39,709
you'd also need to... Mean, caveat.

789
00:26:40,740 --> 00:26:41,137
Discern,

790
00:26:42,327 --> 00:26:45,287
discern, the difference between whether it's just becoming

791
00:26:45,287 --> 00:26:48,320
some argument of violent and experience versus a

792
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,674
very hot heated productive. Debate back and forth

793
00:26:51,674 --> 00:26:54,004
productive conversation. That's the other thing is let's

794
00:26:54,004 --> 00:26:55,203
make sure we don't go. You know? I'm

795
00:26:55,203 --> 00:26:56,641
just gonna engage in this until someone pulls

796
00:26:56,641 --> 00:26:57,680
out a gun and we get into a

797
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,958
gun fight. That's not what I'm saying there.

798
00:26:59,357 --> 00:27:00,956
But, like your friend said, like, you talk

799
00:27:00,956 --> 00:27:02,807
about of your other show. It really the

800
00:27:02,807 --> 00:27:05,359
touching or at least being approximately sometimes, when

801
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,316
things are exploding,

802
00:27:07,114 --> 00:27:08,948
touching is not necessarily a good. Mean people

803
00:27:08,948 --> 00:27:10,942
need to keep that, but being engaged and

804
00:27:10,942 --> 00:27:13,430
staying in that heat, that is where the

805
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:13,930
real

806
00:27:14,547 --> 00:27:17,099
transformation of that conversation can go. If the

807
00:27:17,099 --> 00:27:19,731
2 people or more are open and willing

808
00:27:19,731 --> 00:27:22,377
to to keep engaging and under scanning the

809
00:27:22,377 --> 00:27:23,892
other side rather than trying to win the

810
00:27:23,892 --> 00:27:25,088
argument. I think I the other thing is

811
00:27:25,088 --> 00:27:26,523
we try to win arguments rather than trying

812
00:27:26,523 --> 00:27:28,356
to find solutions. Yeah. To the problem,

813
00:27:29,153 --> 00:27:29,950
it's not about winning.

814
00:27:30,602 --> 00:27:32,271
And that's not really what it's about. So

815
00:27:32,430 --> 00:27:35,133
I like that because if I if I

816
00:27:35,133 --> 00:27:36,564
haven't an argument someone I know, and it's

817
00:27:36,564 --> 00:27:38,074
a really heated 1 because I'm a big

818
00:27:38,074 --> 00:27:40,079
energy and I can create some interruption. I'm

819
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:42,237
staying engaged that. That's... I know that conversation

820
00:27:42,237 --> 00:27:44,634
creating a movement for that person, and myself

821
00:27:44,634 --> 00:27:46,632
maybe as well. I'm okay with it. And

822
00:27:46,711 --> 00:27:48,722
I just said, no, don't go anywhere. Don't

823
00:27:48,722 --> 00:27:50,074
go anywhere. This is where we get to

824
00:27:50,074 --> 00:27:51,664
the real juice here. This is where it

825
00:27:51,664 --> 00:27:53,652
really matters. And I think that's another piece

826
00:27:53,652 --> 00:27:55,242
too is that people can just stay... But,

827
00:27:55,321 --> 00:27:56,991
you know what? That's the conversation muscle. That's

828
00:27:56,991 --> 00:27:58,998
the discomfort muscle. Like I do with my

829
00:27:58,998 --> 00:28:01,316
dad, stay there until it comes to a

830
00:28:01,316 --> 00:28:04,512
solution. Find where you you be surprised what

831
00:28:04,512 --> 00:28:05,492
happens afterwards,

832
00:28:05,871 --> 00:28:07,965
then take your time out. Yeah. It's the

833
00:28:07,965 --> 00:28:08,445
fifteenth rep.

834
00:28:09,164 --> 00:28:11,404
I that's right. It is sometimes it's like,

835
00:28:11,485 --> 00:28:12,765
I I can't do it. You know what

836
00:28:12,765 --> 00:28:14,845
you can. Don't let your mind make you

837
00:28:14,845 --> 00:28:17,246
quit. When it's the most uncomfortable because you're

838
00:28:17,246 --> 00:28:18,675
capable a lot more than you think you

839
00:28:18,675 --> 00:28:20,026
are. And I think that... That's a big

840
00:28:20,026 --> 00:28:21,614
piece of it. I think that thing that

841
00:28:21,614 --> 00:28:23,623
people lose side of when they are

842
00:28:23,934 --> 00:28:25,152
healthy arguing

843
00:28:25,769 --> 00:28:29,039
is they they get cruel sometimes, and you

844
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:30,236
can't take words back.

845
00:28:31,049 --> 00:28:33,199
And, like, you said, the idea that there

846
00:28:33,199 --> 00:28:35,110
has to be a winner, and that's just

847
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:36,305
not what a partnership is.

848
00:28:37,420 --> 00:28:39,570
And anything they business, you know, friendships,

849
00:28:40,144 --> 00:28:42,542
intimate relationships. There should never... It should not

850
00:28:42,542 --> 00:28:44,060
be about a winner. It should be about,

851
00:28:44,779 --> 00:28:46,798
a problem... You should be a problem solving

852
00:28:46,857 --> 00:28:48,935
together. It doesn't matter if someone is right

853
00:28:48,935 --> 00:28:51,586
or not. Again, again, my wife is right

854
00:28:51,586 --> 00:28:53,104
with certainty. I I hundred percent.

855
00:28:53,743 --> 00:28:55,601
She's right. I'm not going to

856
00:28:55,980 --> 00:28:58,148
combat her and become an an a analyst

857
00:28:58,148 --> 00:28:59,901
adolescent and child and start lobbying insults because

858
00:28:59,980 --> 00:29:01,574
I don't like what she might be saying.

859
00:29:02,052 --> 00:29:03,885
If she tells me something, and I'm... And

860
00:29:03,964 --> 00:29:05,160
I... I didn't even think of it or

861
00:29:05,239 --> 00:29:07,324
I don't understand it. I gauge and go,

862
00:29:07,404 --> 00:29:08,358
what is that you need me to do

863
00:29:08,358 --> 00:29:09,631
right now? What what did you just say

864
00:29:09,631 --> 00:29:10,904
have that... What I'm not seeing? What was

865
00:29:10,904 --> 00:29:12,654
it that I didn't just... I I will

866
00:29:12,654 --> 00:29:13,052
engage that.

867
00:29:13,703 --> 00:29:15,851
Because clearly, the person outside of me saw

868
00:29:15,931 --> 00:29:17,681
Or felt something that maybe I'm not aware

869
00:29:17,681 --> 00:29:19,511
of, and that's a beautiful thing. And I

870
00:29:19,511 --> 00:29:22,000
think the other thing is people miss opportunities

871
00:29:22,057 --> 00:29:24,621
because they hear something. They don't like the

872
00:29:24,621 --> 00:29:26,532
way it sounds. They think it's wrong. They

873
00:29:26,532 --> 00:29:28,763
just go, you know what. My my coach

874
00:29:28,763 --> 00:29:30,605
said something I didn't my therapist said something.

875
00:29:30,763 --> 00:29:32,269
Like, you know what? My friend said something,

876
00:29:32,507 --> 00:29:34,408
my lover, it doesn't matter. Maybe that's the

877
00:29:34,408 --> 00:29:36,492
thing you needed to hear to rattle

878
00:29:37,117 --> 00:29:38,945
whatever's is in your way out so we

879
00:29:38,945 --> 00:29:40,296
can get to the clarity and we can

880
00:29:40,296 --> 00:29:40,796
then

881
00:29:41,170 --> 00:29:43,792
confront it together, and we can create solution

882
00:29:43,792 --> 00:29:46,348
and evolution happens between us. So... He, we

883
00:29:46,348 --> 00:29:48,490
just solved all the world's problems just now.

884
00:29:49,997 --> 00:29:51,821
No. I happy about that. Oh, my goodness.

885
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:54,456
Ego and the evil and all the other

886
00:29:54,456 --> 00:29:57,632
things Got Ego. Yeah. Ego is relationship killer.

887
00:29:57,791 --> 00:30:01,126
At Let's get into military. So you decide

888
00:30:01,126 --> 00:30:03,773
it's time to you said you were still

889
00:30:03,773 --> 00:30:04,592
doing the bowl

890
00:30:05,051 --> 00:30:07,209
writing during military. So when did you make

891
00:30:07,209 --> 00:30:09,606
that decision and being a legacy I get

892
00:30:09,606 --> 00:30:11,693
that. But what was the the moment that

893
00:30:11,693 --> 00:30:13,357
he went, oh, this is my new path.

894
00:30:13,991 --> 00:30:17,001
Well, you candidly speaking in full transparency, it

895
00:30:17,001 --> 00:30:17,501
was

896
00:30:18,683 --> 00:30:20,439
It was a 50 50 thing where my

897
00:30:20,439 --> 00:30:22,434
brother, and my middle brother and I, my

898
00:30:22,434 --> 00:30:22,934
dad

899
00:30:23,392 --> 00:30:24,748
introduced us. We were in our Boxing Club

900
00:30:24,748 --> 00:30:25,807
in Anaheim, California.

901
00:30:26,518 --> 00:30:27,873
There was a gentleman there who was a

902
00:30:27,873 --> 00:30:30,024
gunner sergeant in marine corps, and I'll don't

903
00:30:30,024 --> 00:30:31,936
forget him Ed Caustic with his name. And

904
00:30:31,936 --> 00:30:33,131
my dad say, hey, Ed runs

905
00:30:33,941 --> 00:30:36,642
program, prep for a Junior Program called the

906
00:30:36,722 --> 00:30:38,152
Devil pops. He's like, you guys have wanna

907
00:30:38,152 --> 00:30:39,581
do it. It's like kinda... You know, we

908
00:30:39,581 --> 00:30:40,852
were in high school football at the time.

909
00:30:41,011 --> 00:30:42,362
You were getting ready for Varsity as a

910
00:30:42,362 --> 00:30:43,259
sophomore and

911
00:30:43,728 --> 00:30:45,081
Was like, yeah. Let's do it. You know?

912
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,832
So let's go do it. So we got

913
00:30:46,832 --> 00:30:49,140
into that program 12 week training program, and

914
00:30:49,140 --> 00:30:50,493
then 2 weeks, we did a 2 week

915
00:30:50,493 --> 00:30:52,324
boot camp camp tunnel in California We away

916
00:30:52,324 --> 00:30:53,854
from our family for 2 and, you know,

917
00:30:54,732 --> 00:30:56,091
15 years old, I think, at the time

918
00:30:56,091 --> 00:30:57,928
where whatever it was. And we fell in

919
00:30:57,928 --> 00:31:00,325
love with the military. Being around those, you

920
00:31:00,325 --> 00:31:02,568
know, those drill instructors the bring corps and

921
00:31:02,568 --> 00:31:04,079
how it was all all... This is this

922
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:04,477
is awesome.

923
00:31:05,192 --> 00:31:06,624
My brother and I decided, you know what?

924
00:31:06,942 --> 00:31:08,533
Instead of trying to figure out college or

925
00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:10,063
we're gonna play sports. What you what you

926
00:31:10,063 --> 00:31:11,501
think about military. So we had... Literally had

927
00:31:11,501 --> 00:31:13,658
a conversation together about it? And I was

928
00:31:13,658 --> 00:31:14,936
like, well, papa,

929
00:31:15,575 --> 00:31:16,349
both grandparents

930
00:31:17,187 --> 00:31:19,021
pop grandpa grandfather both served and world war

931
00:31:19,021 --> 00:31:20,615
2. D day, vets as well.

932
00:31:21,333 --> 00:31:23,645
Uncles were Vietnam, Green brave, things like that.

933
00:31:23,805 --> 00:31:25,001
You know, my dad was a foreman,

934
00:31:25,494 --> 00:31:26,768
So we have all these men and our

935
00:31:26,768 --> 00:31:28,600
families serve the notes military all combat veterans.

936
00:31:29,078 --> 00:31:30,910
Maybe we should consider that. You know? Or

937
00:31:30,910 --> 00:31:32,343
like, yeah. Let's talk to data about it.

938
00:31:32,582 --> 00:31:33,879
It got to the point where

939
00:31:34,747 --> 00:31:36,658
we were playing with the idea for a

940
00:31:36,658 --> 00:31:38,011
year or so because we weren't old up

941
00:31:38,011 --> 00:31:40,161
to join yet. And I was still riding

942
00:31:40,161 --> 00:31:41,514
bulls and My dad didn't like that. And

943
00:31:41,674 --> 00:31:43,439
I just... You know, I think I turned

944
00:31:43,439 --> 00:31:45,584
17, and I got into a place where

945
00:31:45,584 --> 00:31:47,412
my dad was just like, okay. You have

946
00:31:47,412 --> 00:31:48,604
to make a decision. What do you wanna

947
00:31:48,604 --> 00:31:50,034
do? You you're gonna throw away a professional

948
00:31:50,034 --> 00:31:51,879
baseball career because he had scout from, like,

949
00:31:51,959 --> 00:31:53,235
you know, different colleges that we're looking at

950
00:31:53,235 --> 00:31:54,911
me? He's, like, do wanna do? And I

951
00:31:54,911 --> 00:31:56,507
said, I like what I'm doing. This is...

952
00:31:56,667 --> 00:31:58,343
This is... Just makes me feel alive. I

953
00:31:58,502 --> 00:32:00,594
I am who Am here. Cowboy hat, you

954
00:32:00,594 --> 00:32:01,872
know, the whole 9 yards had that you...

955
00:32:02,032 --> 00:32:03,391
The the hawk feather in it. I was

956
00:32:03,391 --> 00:32:05,548
just... I embraced the whole culture. And I

957
00:32:05,548 --> 00:32:07,226
think there was a moment where I got

958
00:32:07,226 --> 00:32:09,317
into a a fist fight school. With a

959
00:32:09,317 --> 00:32:10,909
guy who made fun of poke fun at

960
00:32:10,909 --> 00:32:13,614
my cowboy if you will. And basically a

961
00:32:13,614 --> 00:32:15,604
how I expel because III beat them up.

962
00:32:15,842 --> 00:32:18,326
And my dad was, like, okay, enough enough

963
00:32:18,326 --> 00:32:19,520
to decide what you're gonna do. And I

964
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,556
said you what, maybe I need to join

965
00:32:20,556 --> 00:32:22,388
the military. Maybe I need a little more

966
00:32:22,388 --> 00:32:23,741
discipline in my life. I even said that

967
00:32:23,741 --> 00:32:24,936
to myself Was like, what did I say

968
00:32:24,936 --> 00:32:26,622
that? And my dad was like, great. And

969
00:32:26,622 --> 00:32:27,814
my brother goes, I'm gonna do it too

970
00:32:27,814 --> 00:32:29,245
when I get old enough. So we we

971
00:32:29,245 --> 00:32:30,597
just committed to that 1. I think that

972
00:32:30,597 --> 00:32:31,494
was that those

973
00:32:32,108 --> 00:32:34,192
coming to a head moments you know, it's

974
00:32:34,192 --> 00:32:36,447
almost like, you know, you're. It's like we've

975
00:32:36,664 --> 00:32:39,137
we've crossed the Rub. We can't really turn

976
00:32:39,137 --> 00:32:39,296
back.

977
00:32:40,173 --> 00:32:41,529
My dad the next thing I know I

978
00:32:41,529 --> 00:32:42,725
think a week after that. He had a

979
00:32:42,725 --> 00:32:45,136
recruiter at our inter table, an Army recruiter,

980
00:32:45,296 --> 00:32:47,054
and I sat down with our recruiter to

981
00:32:47,054 --> 00:32:49,610
explore my options, job, qualifications, etcetera.

982
00:32:50,183 --> 00:32:51,695
He's like you're still in high school. What

983
00:32:51,695 --> 00:32:53,048
do you wanna... You can join the Army

984
00:32:53,048 --> 00:32:54,560
of reserves. I said, let's do it. I

985
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,152
can get some experience. So at 17 years

986
00:32:56,152 --> 00:32:57,824
old. I joined the United States Army Reserves

987
00:32:57,824 --> 00:32:59,097
as a reserve active reserve.

988
00:32:59,749 --> 00:33:01,343
I went a boot camp between my junior

989
00:33:01,343 --> 00:33:02,858
and senior year high school, so I got

990
00:33:02,858 --> 00:33:05,569
that training experience. Came home, went to drill

991
00:33:05,569 --> 00:33:07,243
once per month, so I drove myself at

992
00:33:07,243 --> 00:33:09,335
1 week per month. Down to Camp Pedal

993
00:33:09,335 --> 00:33:11,335
from Morris County. Those 2 or 3 days

994
00:33:11,335 --> 00:33:12,454
at a time that we had to go

995
00:33:12,454 --> 00:33:14,934
do drill. Getting the experience of Pt formation.

996
00:33:15,494 --> 00:33:16,154
I told

997
00:33:16,708 --> 00:33:17,904
my first sergeant, and I said, you know,

998
00:33:18,064 --> 00:33:19,419
I I wanna jump out airplanes to go

999
00:33:19,419 --> 00:33:20,377
to arrange school I wanna be in an

1000
00:33:20,377 --> 00:33:21,812
army ranger. That's that's kind of where I

1001
00:33:21,812 --> 00:33:23,886
wanna really go do high speed stuff, shoot

1002
00:33:23,886 --> 00:33:25,640
guns and, you know, go fight bad guys.

1003
00:33:26,054 --> 00:33:27,249
He's, like, yeah, you don't belong in the

1004
00:33:27,249 --> 00:33:28,386
reserve. So what I graduated,

1005
00:33:28,921 --> 00:33:31,231
I signed the paperwork. I think March the...

1006
00:33:31,390 --> 00:33:33,939
That year of my graduation 19 98 to

1007
00:33:33,939 --> 00:33:35,307
go active duty. And,

1008
00:33:35,944 --> 00:33:37,797
I left home right afterwards. And my brother

1009
00:33:37,933 --> 00:33:41,355
I went joined the infantry, became, common infantry

1010
00:33:41,355 --> 00:33:43,361
served with the hundred Airborne division out of

1011
00:33:43,361 --> 00:33:46,233
the Rock 28 7 infantry regiment as a

1012
00:33:46,233 --> 00:33:49,024
mo specialized in moore gun systems, and my

1013
00:33:49,024 --> 00:33:50,540
middle brother joined right after me. He became

1014
00:33:50,540 --> 00:33:52,945
an Army. He was actually gonna go being

1015
00:33:52,945 --> 00:33:53,501
navy seal,

1016
00:33:54,374 --> 00:33:56,756
interesting cd enough. But because of his wrestling

1017
00:33:56,756 --> 00:33:58,978
in this high school football, Allstate state wrestler

1018
00:33:58,978 --> 00:34:00,742
and football player, he had had some me.

1019
00:34:00,901 --> 00:34:02,254
So the navy was like, I don't think

1020
00:34:02,254 --> 00:34:03,369
you'll make it through buds and he was

1021
00:34:03,369 --> 00:34:04,722
like, okay, well, I just go get my

1022
00:34:04,722 --> 00:34:06,872
black brain, my my rangers school and he'll

1023
00:34:06,872 --> 00:34:08,956
be special operations over here. He did that.

1024
00:34:09,115 --> 00:34:10,706
And then my youngest brother decided he wanna

1025
00:34:10,706 --> 00:34:12,138
be like his older brother said he joined

1026
00:34:12,138 --> 00:34:14,286
the navy when he got old enough. He

1027
00:34:14,286 --> 00:34:16,289
became a cor. Wow. So if all 3

1028
00:34:16,289 --> 00:34:18,596
of us served during the Global war terrorism.

1029
00:34:18,994 --> 00:34:20,664
Almost stayed in. I had 5 years and

1030
00:34:20,664 --> 00:34:22,016
2 months active activity 5 years of 5

1031
00:34:22,016 --> 00:34:23,209
months equity. I'm gonna stayed in, but there's

1032
00:34:23,209 --> 00:34:25,054
a lot of a lot of other stuff

1033
00:34:25,054 --> 00:34:26,726
we could talk about for hours hours about

1034
00:34:26,726 --> 00:34:28,319
that, but you know, it was a great

1035
00:34:28,319 --> 00:34:31,526
run. And you did 3 active tours

1036
00:34:31,902 --> 00:34:34,696
combat I did, Kosovo. I went to kosovo

1037
00:34:34,696 --> 00:34:36,918
in 2000. I was during the... What they

1038
00:34:36,918 --> 00:34:38,505
call operation joint guardian, I was part of

1039
00:34:38,584 --> 00:34:39,378
Task force Falcon.

1040
00:34:39,869 --> 00:34:42,177
So as humanitarian aid peace keeping operation over

1041
00:34:42,177 --> 00:34:43,848
there, of course other things went down that

1042
00:34:43,848 --> 00:34:45,519
we participate participated and right after,

1043
00:34:46,395 --> 00:34:47,588
the 19 99,

1044
00:34:47,827 --> 00:34:49,101
the whole campaign with the Janet

1045
00:34:49,752 --> 00:34:51,264
genocide the epic Cleansing that was happening over

1046
00:34:51,264 --> 00:34:53,331
that region the Balkans. So they sent us

1047
00:34:53,331 --> 00:34:55,559
over there. We relieve 80 second airborne when

1048
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:57,488
we got over there And then I came

1049
00:34:57,488 --> 00:34:59,965
home. I got promoted early to E4I, you

1050
00:34:59,965 --> 00:35:01,005
know, I did a bunch of schools and

1051
00:35:01,005 --> 00:35:02,603
things like that. And I got decided to

1052
00:35:02,603 --> 00:35:04,440
re list. So I re for 3 more

1053
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,443
years, and started of trade for ranger school,

1054
00:35:06,998 --> 00:35:09,693
and then September eleventh happened. Ever all our

1055
00:35:09,693 --> 00:35:11,358
schools got postponed, so then we could go.

1056
00:35:11,754 --> 00:35:13,514
And we went to work. Went to combat,

1057
00:35:14,149 --> 00:35:15,816
Afghanistan it's been some 7 months of there

1058
00:35:15,816 --> 00:35:17,245
came home 7 months after I got home,

1059
00:35:17,324 --> 00:35:19,944
we moved Iraq and certain Iraq. Even though

1060
00:35:19,944 --> 00:35:21,532
you've been trained a high heaven,

1061
00:35:22,025 --> 00:35:23,704
and you have a concept of what's going

1062
00:35:23,704 --> 00:35:24,265
to happen,

1063
00:35:24,824 --> 00:35:26,284
that must have shifted

1064
00:35:26,585 --> 00:35:28,664
as you were going through it in real

1065
00:35:28,664 --> 00:35:28,905
life.

1066
00:35:29,718 --> 00:35:31,070
That's a good... That's a really good way

1067
00:35:31,070 --> 00:35:32,979
to put that. That's a great way to

1068
00:35:32,979 --> 00:35:35,285
phrase that question is you can train as

1069
00:35:35,285 --> 00:35:37,352
much as you want. But until you get

1070
00:35:37,352 --> 00:35:38,943
put in the fire. You're really not gonna

1071
00:35:38,943 --> 00:35:41,515
know but you're can... You're capable of and

1072
00:35:41,515 --> 00:35:42,474
that's so true. It's

1073
00:35:43,515 --> 00:35:44,795
real quick before I answer that questions, it's

1074
00:35:44,795 --> 00:35:46,075
like, I, you know, I still shoot.

1075
00:35:46,715 --> 00:35:48,075
You know, I have guns and I like

1076
00:35:48,075 --> 00:35:50,250
to go shoot. And I... My buddy and

1077
00:35:50,250 --> 00:35:52,090
I who was a former navy guy. He

1078
00:35:52,090 --> 00:35:53,769
said the same thing. He said, you know,

1079
00:35:54,090 --> 00:35:55,530
a lot of guys like to carry pistols,

1080
00:35:55,690 --> 00:35:57,289
You know, the the culture now is all

1081
00:35:57,289 --> 00:35:59,615
about, you know, carrying your you know, concealed

1082
00:35:59,615 --> 00:36:01,202
pistol with a laser dot on and every

1083
00:36:01,202 --> 00:36:02,630
goes the rage. Every wants to do the

1084
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:04,614
shooting the high speed do the competitive shooting

1085
00:36:04,614 --> 00:36:06,969
courses, but majority of people have never been

1086
00:36:07,088 --> 00:36:08,438
put in a situation where they've had to

1087
00:36:08,438 --> 00:36:10,027
use their weapon in a self defense manner

1088
00:36:10,027 --> 00:36:11,456
or Get into a gun fight. A lot

1089
00:36:11,456 --> 00:36:13,123
of people don't know what they're capable of

1090
00:36:13,123 --> 00:36:14,394
in a gun fight. You can train all

1091
00:36:14,394 --> 00:36:16,392
you want to. Until you have that experience,

1092
00:36:16,789 --> 00:36:17,685
training sometimes

1093
00:36:18,137 --> 00:36:20,516
in the initial phases of bi first altercation,

1094
00:36:21,467 --> 00:36:22,602
all of your training

1095
00:36:23,148 --> 00:36:24,501
It's almost like it erupt and goes out

1096
00:36:24,501 --> 00:36:26,012
the window for a few minutes before it

1097
00:36:26,012 --> 00:36:27,762
all kinda comes back and everybody gets focused.

1098
00:36:28,319 --> 00:36:29,535
Gun fights are not

1099
00:36:30,243 --> 00:36:32,311
what Tv Tv makes them out to be

1100
00:36:32,311 --> 00:36:33,982
what people think they are, the movies, even

1101
00:36:33,982 --> 00:36:35,334
when you hear stories about other their combat

1102
00:36:35,334 --> 00:36:36,368
veteran stock podcast podcasts.

1103
00:36:37,576 --> 00:36:39,883
It's it's it usually chaos right out of

1104
00:36:39,883 --> 00:36:41,235
the gate. And when you get a rocket

1105
00:36:41,235 --> 00:36:42,826
shot at you a grenade thrown in your

1106
00:36:42,826 --> 00:36:45,153
con, you guys buddy's got hitting the chest

1107
00:36:45,153 --> 00:36:47,151
coming off of, an aircraft into a high

1108
00:36:47,151 --> 00:36:49,229
del z by Nike 47, and he hits

1109
00:36:49,229 --> 00:36:51,147
a ground gets up keeps running. But until

1110
00:36:51,147 --> 00:36:53,957
you start experiencing those things, It's amazing though

1111
00:36:53,957 --> 00:36:55,953
how you can easily fall back into training

1112
00:36:55,953 --> 00:36:58,667
though. I would say that's where training to

1113
00:36:58,667 --> 00:36:59,327
the hilt

1114
00:36:59,705 --> 00:37:02,020
does pay dividends even if it's chaos in

1115
00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:03,554
that brief moment with the first...

1116
00:37:04,194 --> 00:37:06,694
Gunshot is because you naturally

1117
00:37:07,315 --> 00:37:08,135
you calibrate

1118
00:37:08,434 --> 00:37:11,574
to the chaos. So my first altercation

1119
00:37:12,047 --> 00:37:14,271
my very first weird altercation was kosovo on

1120
00:37:14,271 --> 00:37:15,621
an operation, I went on, but Didn't get

1121
00:37:15,780 --> 00:37:16,972
I didn't get hit. We didn't get engaged

1122
00:37:16,972 --> 00:37:18,481
in any gun gunfire, but we almost did.

1123
00:37:19,135 --> 00:37:20,574
The second time I got into someone was

1124
00:37:20,574 --> 00:37:22,574
in Afghanistan in my first combat operation in

1125
00:37:22,574 --> 00:37:24,335
the mountains of Afghanistan with... It's kinda like

1126
00:37:24,335 --> 00:37:25,934
the light ski should be able to tell

1127
00:37:25,934 --> 00:37:28,585
band. They're pop s us from different hindsight

1128
00:37:28,585 --> 00:37:29,460
sites and things like that.

1129
00:37:30,336 --> 00:37:32,485
And I had to send more more gun

1130
00:37:32,485 --> 00:37:34,577
system. Had said more rounds down range to

1131
00:37:34,952 --> 00:37:36,544
stop the the threat and kinda take care

1132
00:37:36,544 --> 00:37:37,021
of our guys.

1133
00:37:37,673 --> 00:37:38,890
And I remember

1134
00:37:39,346 --> 00:37:41,099
hearing the width of some of those ak

1135
00:37:41,099 --> 00:37:43,409
rounds flying by, you know, our position and

1136
00:37:43,409 --> 00:37:46,052
hitting the dirt. And and then hearing, kinda,

1137
00:37:46,132 --> 00:37:47,407
like, the mortar rounds going off in the

1138
00:37:47,407 --> 00:37:49,159
distance they were shooting at us. And and

1139
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:51,070
it's interesting is the first moment of chaos.

1140
00:37:51,389 --> 00:37:52,742
Everybody's kinda like, going okay, where is it

1141
00:37:52,742 --> 00:37:55,540
coming from? Every orient themselves. And then when

1142
00:37:55,540 --> 00:37:56,176
everybody clicks.

1143
00:37:57,606 --> 00:37:59,036
You wanna talk about the United States military

1144
00:37:59,036 --> 00:38:01,817
being, a, well organized mechanism and combat?

1145
00:38:02,708 --> 00:38:05,260
It clicks. And when it clicked, it's, like,

1146
00:38:05,420 --> 00:38:08,313
we turn into this this precision machine

1147
00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:10,626
that was capable of doing our job

1148
00:38:11,003 --> 00:38:12,061
proficient. So that

1149
00:38:12,374 --> 00:38:13,253
as we are engaged.

1150
00:38:14,213 --> 00:38:14,612
It's like,

1151
00:38:15,571 --> 00:38:17,729
around rounds of go around you, nobody flinch.

1152
00:38:17,969 --> 00:38:20,047
Nobody thinks about the anymore We're just doing

1153
00:38:20,047 --> 00:38:21,645
what we're trained to do. We're moving through

1154
00:38:21,645 --> 00:38:23,894
it. We're here in our radio renewed communication

1155
00:38:23,894 --> 00:38:25,809
and chatter, getting rounds down range, putting he

1156
00:38:25,809 --> 00:38:28,203
borders on target, you know, shutting down key

1157
00:38:28,203 --> 00:38:28,921
complex systems.

1158
00:38:29,413 --> 00:38:30,682
You know, ending the targets that are out

1159
00:38:30,682 --> 00:38:33,060
there kinda causing chaos around us. And then

1160
00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:34,804
when it's done, it's almost like you get

1161
00:38:34,804 --> 00:38:36,811
the adrenaline and dump. And then

1162
00:38:37,198 --> 00:38:38,943
that's like, long range stuff. I think when

1163
00:38:39,102 --> 00:38:40,530
I got into some stuff in Iraq when

1164
00:38:40,609 --> 00:38:42,355
I got into is, close course stuff in

1165
00:38:42,593 --> 00:38:44,338
Iraq a little little bit of stuff, ambush

1166
00:38:44,338 --> 00:38:44,894
things like that.

1167
00:38:45,782 --> 00:38:48,168
It gets even more in intense and it...

1168
00:38:48,724 --> 00:38:50,315
I I can't even explain it. So it's

1169
00:38:50,315 --> 00:38:50,871
it's, like,

1170
00:38:52,462 --> 00:38:53,893
go back to bull writing. It's most more

1171
00:38:53,893 --> 00:38:55,189
an advanced version of

1172
00:38:55,499 --> 00:38:58,051
that wild new introduction to chaos and unknowns.

1173
00:38:58,769 --> 00:39:00,444
I remember the con that we were all

1174
00:39:00,444 --> 00:39:02,996
got ambushed, and the 3 grenades they threw

1175
00:39:02,996 --> 00:39:04,990
into the conway, hit couple of my buddies.

1176
00:39:05,643 --> 00:39:07,395
They got travel. They didn't die. They're were

1177
00:39:07,395 --> 00:39:09,885
good. Thing thank god it. But it's crazy

1178
00:39:10,023 --> 00:39:12,331
how you... It feels different when you're really

1179
00:39:12,331 --> 00:39:13,526
close and personal with these guys.

1180
00:39:14,177 --> 00:39:16,637
And it's... You're facing the ultimate evil. You're

1181
00:39:16,637 --> 00:39:17,454
truly facing

1182
00:39:17,827 --> 00:39:19,255
the worst of the worst when it comes

1183
00:39:19,255 --> 00:39:21,334
to human beings. And I think that's where

1184
00:39:21,413 --> 00:39:23,087
I'm glad we train as as well as

1185
00:39:23,087 --> 00:39:24,442
we do is because when you were dealing

1186
00:39:24,442 --> 00:39:26,434
with that, there's only 1 or 2 outcomes

1187
00:39:26,434 --> 00:39:28,506
there. Either they're dying for the country or

1188
00:39:28,506 --> 00:39:29,955
you are. So at the end of the

1189
00:39:29,955 --> 00:39:32,822
day, it pays off the to sweat a

1190
00:39:32,822 --> 00:39:34,575
lot more in training so that you... You

1191
00:39:34,575 --> 00:39:36,168
know, again, that's saying goes you bleed less

1192
00:39:36,168 --> 00:39:38,571
word. I think that's where what relief stuck

1193
00:39:38,571 --> 00:39:40,952
with me was I can still feel the

1194
00:39:40,952 --> 00:39:42,776
the energy or the emotions of that situation

1195
00:39:42,776 --> 00:39:44,760
20 years later of those situations that I've

1196
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:45,077
got. Yeah.

1197
00:39:46,125 --> 00:39:47,476
There are people that all they wanted to

1198
00:39:47,476 --> 00:39:49,940
do was was kill us. It doesn't matter.

1199
00:39:50,099 --> 00:39:51,689
That... And they were using innocent people. I,

1200
00:39:51,848 --> 00:39:53,676
And and then using women, pregnant women to

1201
00:39:53,676 --> 00:39:55,918
blow up our checkpoints. I crazy to experience

1202
00:39:55,918 --> 00:39:57,588
the worst of the worst in the world

1203
00:39:57,588 --> 00:39:59,815
in a very intimate setting like that, and

1204
00:39:59,815 --> 00:40:02,378
it changes your whole outlook of life. Some

1205
00:40:02,378 --> 00:40:03,813
answer. Hope that answer your question. Yeah. No.

1206
00:40:04,132 --> 00:40:05,988
Absolutely. I I think

1207
00:40:06,365 --> 00:40:08,062
I am fascinated by

1208
00:40:08,439 --> 00:40:10,853
how the military handles

1209
00:40:12,202 --> 00:40:12,702
basically,

1210
00:40:13,077 --> 00:40:15,247
they're... The job you have to create killing

1211
00:40:15,304 --> 00:40:17,928
machines. You... That's what... That's the job. Sure.

1212
00:40:18,167 --> 00:40:20,098
And then how do you

1213
00:40:20,489 --> 00:40:22,006
take those killing machines?

1214
00:40:22,485 --> 00:40:25,039
Like, oh, how does someone sit you down

1215
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:25,997
and prepare you,

1216
00:40:26,955 --> 00:40:28,711
hey, what, it's... I remember when I bought

1217
00:40:28,711 --> 00:40:29,350
my first gun.

1218
00:40:30,082 --> 00:40:31,990
And when I lap my first gun, I

1219
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:34,375
really had to sit with myself and think,

1220
00:40:35,648 --> 00:40:38,271
am I willing to kill someone someday because

1221
00:40:38,271 --> 00:40:39,089
owning this

1222
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:40,539
having this

1223
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,320
means that that answer has to be yes,

1224
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,380
or I don't... I shouldn't own this thing

1225
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,490
because of reality, and in some respects, I

1226
00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:51,324
think even having a car is like that.

1227
00:40:51,564 --> 00:40:53,478
Sure. You're in a car, that is it

1228
00:40:53,478 --> 00:40:55,233
kills a lot of freaking people. You know,

1229
00:40:55,392 --> 00:40:56,451
It's that same

1230
00:40:56,828 --> 00:40:57,806
thing. So

1231
00:40:58,516 --> 00:40:59,811
I'm curious about

1232
00:41:00,265 --> 00:41:02,276
how does the military

1233
00:41:02,731 --> 00:41:04,741
specifically as in this case, the army

1234
00:41:05,195 --> 00:41:07,184
sit you down and say,

1235
00:41:08,074 --> 00:41:08,873
here's the deal.

1236
00:41:09,513 --> 00:41:11,851
You are going to be putting scenarios where

1237
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:14,547
everything that you were raised to believe, which

1238
00:41:14,547 --> 00:41:17,434
is don't Thou, Not kill. Yeah. How are

1239
00:41:17,434 --> 00:41:19,899
you... And, whether you're religious or not, that's

1240
00:41:19,899 --> 00:41:21,807
sort of to the golden rule isn't ingrained

1241
00:41:21,807 --> 00:41:24,135
in all of us, how does 1

1242
00:41:24,683 --> 00:41:27,482
flip that switch other than, I guess saying

1243
00:41:27,537 --> 00:41:29,915
the psychology of their bad, we're good.

1244
00:41:30,629 --> 00:41:31,921
And then how do you

1245
00:41:32,469 --> 00:41:32,969
un.

1246
00:41:34,383 --> 00:41:34,883
That

1247
00:41:36,298 --> 00:41:37,175
when you come home.

1248
00:41:38,931 --> 00:41:40,781
Well, that a lot of questions all 1.

1249
00:41:41,021 --> 00:41:42,457
It's good. I'm am gonna let that perk

1250
00:41:42,457 --> 00:41:44,394
late in my mind so I can deliver

1251
00:41:45,171 --> 00:41:45,910
good enough

1252
00:41:46,288 --> 00:41:47,485
information for for you and people.

1253
00:41:48,217 --> 00:41:49,331
I I think you have to be...

1254
00:41:50,286 --> 00:41:51,639
I would say that people that are built

1255
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:53,628
with the... From a different fabric that joined

1256
00:41:53,628 --> 00:41:55,697
the military in the... And choose the combat

1257
00:41:55,697 --> 00:41:57,782
arms at jobs and it was They know.

1258
00:41:58,739 --> 00:42:00,813
You know already. I I grew up again,

1259
00:42:01,212 --> 00:42:02,430
in the eighties watching

1260
00:42:02,807 --> 00:42:04,243
18 was 1 of my favorite shows going

1261
00:42:04,243 --> 00:42:05,360
up. They were, you know, the green raise.

1262
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:06,795
I got, you know, got away with all

1263
00:42:06,795 --> 00:42:08,969
that. I loved different shows like that. I

1264
00:42:08,969 --> 00:42:10,809
love learn of military movies that I watched.

1265
00:42:11,289 --> 00:42:12,890
Remember top gun came out all of it.

1266
00:42:13,930 --> 00:42:16,250
We already inherit the... Delta. So Chuck Norris.

1267
00:42:16,410 --> 00:42:18,176
Like, it was, like, always cool to see

1268
00:42:18,176 --> 00:42:18,813
these movies,

1269
00:42:19,369 --> 00:42:21,597
you knew though growing up that if you

1270
00:42:21,597 --> 00:42:24,780
join the military, the military a mechanism for

1271
00:42:24,780 --> 00:42:25,177
combat.

1272
00:42:26,068 --> 00:42:28,065
That's the overall I would say theme. I

1273
00:42:28,065 --> 00:42:29,443
think if you don't know that, then,

1274
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:31,178
you've been living under a Iraq. But the

1275
00:42:31,178 --> 00:42:34,371
military is designed for warfare. They're designed for

1276
00:42:34,371 --> 00:42:34,871
protecting

1277
00:42:35,263 --> 00:42:38,518
and defending and assert offensive as as we

1278
00:42:38,518 --> 00:42:39,471
need to for a purpose.

1279
00:42:39,947 --> 00:42:42,011
So when we join, I had stories already

1280
00:42:42,011 --> 00:42:44,210
from my grandfather being a d day vet

1281
00:42:44,889 --> 00:42:47,366
fighting the Nazis to my dad being in

1282
00:42:47,606 --> 00:42:49,284
Vietnam, Cor in Vietnam, my uncle who was

1283
00:42:49,284 --> 00:42:51,123
a green Brain in Vietnam, Mac b song

1284
00:42:51,123 --> 00:42:52,401
specific, which is a little bit more elite

1285
00:42:52,401 --> 00:42:54,100
group of that that that era

1286
00:42:54,493 --> 00:42:56,005
hearing some of the worst stories over Scotch

1287
00:42:56,005 --> 00:42:58,257
that I would drink with him. Like, it's

1288
00:42:59,747 --> 00:43:01,817
it's amazing as when you become old enough

1289
00:43:01,817 --> 00:43:03,985
to to choose that, You know you're getting

1290
00:43:03,985 --> 00:43:05,899
into. Now you can choose jobs in the

1291
00:43:05,899 --> 00:43:07,335
military that will kinda keep you little bit

1292
00:43:07,335 --> 00:43:08,552
more away from

1293
00:43:09,169 --> 00:43:11,243
that type of environment. However, we're all first

1294
00:43:11,243 --> 00:43:12,200
and foremost rifle.

1295
00:43:12,931 --> 00:43:15,579
So you all go to basic combat trading

1296
00:43:15,635 --> 00:43:18,896
for a reason. And global war terrorism has

1297
00:43:18,896 --> 00:43:22,436
proven that's necessity because we had non combat

1298
00:43:22,574 --> 00:43:25,127
arms, Mo is getting engaged in firefight.

1299
00:43:25,526 --> 00:43:27,360
There are guys I know that don't have

1300
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,753
Ci b's like me and other fellows, they

1301
00:43:29,753 --> 00:43:32,475
combat treatment badge. We earned from mitigation comp

1302
00:43:32,475 --> 00:43:32,634
with the.

1303
00:43:33,429 --> 00:43:35,815
They have their own version of that... But

1304
00:43:35,815 --> 00:43:37,802
their west was like supply or they were

1305
00:43:37,802 --> 00:43:39,804
maybe a cook or they they are put

1306
00:43:39,804 --> 00:43:42,267
in position in war where they had to

1307
00:43:42,267 --> 00:43:44,411
defend themselves of camps brothers, etcetera.

1308
00:43:45,127 --> 00:43:47,192
So I think the Army doesn't ask you

1309
00:43:47,192 --> 00:43:48,797
or sit you down and tell you, hey,

1310
00:43:49,036 --> 00:43:51,364
guess what? They just know

1311
00:43:51,898 --> 00:43:53,909
that you better choose something

1312
00:43:54,362 --> 00:43:55,396
that you're okay with.

1313
00:43:56,209 --> 00:43:57,487
Because if you become...

1314
00:43:58,207 --> 00:43:59,805
Like, I knew when I joined the, my

1315
00:43:59,805 --> 00:44:01,004
job would be to learn how to kill

1316
00:44:01,004 --> 00:44:04,041
people. I understand that. Period. It's infantry. That's

1317
00:44:04,041 --> 00:44:06,771
our job to destroy the targets that are

1318
00:44:06,771 --> 00:44:07,809
put in front us for the enemies of

1319
00:44:07,809 --> 00:44:08,927
the United States of America.

1320
00:44:09,565 --> 00:44:11,641
Hundred percent get that. Grown up as a

1321
00:44:11,641 --> 00:44:13,557
devout Catholic. Right? Grown up in the buy

1322
00:44:13,557 --> 00:44:15,566
that we're Dal shall Kill. That was 1

1323
00:44:15,566 --> 00:44:17,717
where I had to actually learn getting that

1324
00:44:17,717 --> 00:44:19,710
a military. Learning about... Well, what what is

1325
00:44:19,710 --> 00:44:21,304
the difference then? Because did I just do

1326
00:44:21,304 --> 00:44:23,548
something really bad? Even though I wanna know

1327
00:44:23,628 --> 00:44:26,811
I'm defending my country. I joined selfless served

1328
00:44:26,811 --> 00:44:28,483
the oath to this nation to my family,

1329
00:44:28,722 --> 00:44:30,075
I did it under god, I did it

1330
00:44:30,075 --> 00:44:31,826
for my family, my brother and my loved

1331
00:44:31,826 --> 00:44:34,142
ones. And I found out the distinction is

1332
00:44:34,142 --> 00:44:36,284
that it is not the same as just

1333
00:44:36,284 --> 00:44:38,847
murdering someone. There is a completely different

1334
00:44:39,553 --> 00:44:41,864
parameter that's there when it comes to the

1335
00:44:41,864 --> 00:44:44,594
defense of one's nation for a very specific

1336
00:44:44,891 --> 00:44:45,210
cause,

1337
00:44:45,927 --> 00:44:48,849
from for Morals values for Freedom, Liberties. There's

1338
00:44:49,130 --> 00:44:50,329
I was like, okay. I was okay with

1339
00:44:50,329 --> 00:44:51,849
that after after I learned that through some

1340
00:44:51,849 --> 00:44:53,210
of the chaplain I talked to in the

1341
00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:55,610
military after our first combat rotation, but it's

1342
00:44:55,610 --> 00:44:58,501
interesting. It affects everybody differently. So I'm not

1343
00:44:58,501 --> 00:45:00,192
gonna say that I didn't have my own

1344
00:45:01,361 --> 00:45:03,188
rage issues coming home and wanting to... Like,

1345
00:45:03,427 --> 00:45:04,619
I like to fight, and I wanted to

1346
00:45:04,619 --> 00:45:06,048
get get into some of these things that

1347
00:45:06,048 --> 00:45:08,138
you're and there. But everybody has their own

1348
00:45:08,138 --> 00:45:10,296
experience in war and everybody's affected differently more.

1349
00:45:10,536 --> 00:45:12,374
It's not 1 size fits all with post

1350
00:45:12,374 --> 00:45:15,091
traumatic stress or combat trauma or whatever it

1351
00:45:15,091 --> 00:45:16,470
is because I know guys

1352
00:45:16,864 --> 00:45:19,261
that have seen death and destruction and aren't

1353
00:45:19,261 --> 00:45:20,001
are not

1354
00:45:20,460 --> 00:45:22,297
as they're not as broken if you will,

1355
00:45:22,537 --> 00:45:24,295
if as you would think they would be.

1356
00:45:24,709 --> 00:45:26,699
If anything, getting out of the military going

1357
00:45:26,699 --> 00:45:28,291
into the second part question. How do you

1358
00:45:28,291 --> 00:45:30,520
d program or get someone ready? I think

1359
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,565
leaving in the military and not doing we

1360
00:45:32,843 --> 00:45:35,151
job anymore it it causes more stress on

1361
00:45:35,151 --> 00:45:35,810
a shoulder

1362
00:45:36,185 --> 00:45:38,652
than the lore sometimes can. I think it's

1363
00:45:38,652 --> 00:45:40,641
like, we tie our identities to that job.

1364
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:41,857
We become

1365
00:45:42,169 --> 00:45:44,403
part of this brotherhood, we we we unite

1366
00:45:44,403 --> 00:45:45,599
for 1 purpose of 1 mission.

1367
00:45:46,398 --> 00:45:47,674
Talked to Navy Seal about this. He goes,

1368
00:45:47,754 --> 00:45:49,291
yeah. He goes, you missed it because

1369
00:45:49,924 --> 00:45:51,282
you had guys the left and right of

1370
00:45:51,282 --> 00:45:52,641
you that you could trust with your life,

1371
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:53,920
and you guys were all focused on the

1372
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,358
same mission and you guys were selfless.

1373
00:45:55,917 --> 00:45:57,755
In a civilian world, everyone's selfish.

1374
00:45:58,487 --> 00:46:00,395
Everyone's out for themselves. So I think that's

1375
00:46:00,395 --> 00:46:03,336
a twofold answer there whereas nobody prepares you

1376
00:46:03,336 --> 00:46:04,847
for what you're gonna have to do. That's

1377
00:46:04,847 --> 00:46:06,610
what training is for. And that is what

1378
00:46:06,610 --> 00:46:08,039
your oath is. That's what you swear to.

1379
00:46:08,277 --> 00:46:10,183
I'm willing to defend those that cannot defend

1380
00:46:10,183 --> 00:46:12,247
themselves from the rights, liberties and freedoms that

1381
00:46:12,247 --> 00:46:14,153
we cherish and hold valuable in our in

1382
00:46:14,153 --> 00:46:14,947
in, in our world.

1383
00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:17,996
And I'm willing up to including giving my

1384
00:46:17,996 --> 00:46:19,674
life and or taking day life to do

1385
00:46:19,674 --> 00:46:21,352
that. You come to terms with that.

1386
00:46:22,071 --> 00:46:22,571
And

1387
00:46:23,603 --> 00:46:24,958
my brother and I talked about it. He,

1388
00:46:25,037 --> 00:46:26,950
you know, has had a lot more direct

1389
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:28,247
action because he was a ranger

1390
00:46:28,704 --> 00:46:30,776
experience with done fights and killing people bad

1391
00:46:30,776 --> 00:46:32,789
eyes. I had my own fair share. We'd

1392
00:46:32,789 --> 00:46:35,429
we talk about it. He was completely affected

1393
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:37,609
a lot differently than I was. So

1394
00:46:38,643 --> 00:46:39,677
And then when we both go, you know

1395
00:46:39,677 --> 00:46:41,428
what, we miss it because it it affects

1396
00:46:41,428 --> 00:46:42,702
us trying to go to school. You get

1397
00:46:42,702 --> 00:46:44,054
out you're your older person, you're going to

1398
00:46:44,054 --> 00:46:45,328
college with your younger kids and you're sitting

1399
00:46:45,328 --> 00:46:46,681
there and you're like, I admit you're like

1400
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,048
I... This is what I am now. Okay.

1401
00:46:48,287 --> 00:46:49,480
I kinda... I wanna go back and do

1402
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,070
that because I had at lease the structure

1403
00:46:51,070 --> 00:46:52,820
and the discipline, and I had team, and

1404
00:46:52,899 --> 00:46:54,887
I had all this mission is purpose. And

1405
00:46:54,887 --> 00:46:56,239
a lot of guys that served, you know,

1406
00:46:56,318 --> 00:46:57,804
you listened to to least some of these

1407
00:46:57,923 --> 00:46:59,910
over operators that get out 20 plus years

1408
00:46:59,910 --> 00:47:02,373
later. They're on these podcasts. Sean Ryan talks

1409
00:47:02,373 --> 00:47:04,359
with a lot of these guys etcetera. They

1410
00:47:04,359 --> 00:47:05,869
say the same thing. It's like, I... Who

1411
00:47:05,869 --> 00:47:06,266
am I now.

1412
00:47:06,916 --> 00:47:08,344
I leave and now I don't know when

1413
00:47:08,423 --> 00:47:09,931
I'm gonna... Like, that I was that was

1414
00:47:09,931 --> 00:47:11,597
me. I... The job was me. I was

1415
00:47:11,597 --> 00:47:13,262
a delta operator. Was a ranger. I was

1416
00:47:13,262 --> 00:47:15,023
a seal. I was a green ray. I

1417
00:47:15,023 --> 00:47:17,274
was an infantry men, airborne infantry. I was

1418
00:47:18,047 --> 00:47:19,161
now when what am I supposed to be.

1419
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,594
And that I think messes with a lot

1420
00:47:20,594 --> 00:47:21,947
of men... A guy, especially to the guys,

1421
00:47:22,106 --> 00:47:24,309
their heads because men tied in legacy to

1422
00:47:24,429 --> 00:47:25,223
jobs they do,

1423
00:47:25,938 --> 00:47:27,527
and they don't know how to elegantly transition.

1424
00:47:28,242 --> 00:47:29,218
I think it takes

1425
00:47:30,068 --> 00:47:31,578
having the right sports systems in place and

1426
00:47:31,578 --> 00:47:33,484
having the right people around you that can

1427
00:47:33,484 --> 00:47:34,693
continue you and push you in the right

1428
00:47:34,693 --> 00:47:36,210
direction. So you realize that is not who

1429
00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:38,126
you are. That's what you did, and you

1430
00:47:38,126 --> 00:47:40,522
can apply and par those skills and those

1431
00:47:40,522 --> 00:47:42,278
attributes to other jobs or the things in

1432
00:47:42,278 --> 00:47:44,289
the world, and you can still live the

1433
00:47:44,289 --> 00:47:46,607
same life of principle and carry the scars

1434
00:47:46,607 --> 00:47:47,506
that you carry

1435
00:47:47,965 --> 00:47:49,483
without actually having to worry about whether or

1436
00:47:49,483 --> 00:47:50,842
not you are living the like you were

1437
00:47:50,842 --> 00:47:51,961
meant to live. And I think that's the

1438
00:47:51,961 --> 00:47:53,574
biggest piece to it is you get out,

1439
00:47:53,734 --> 00:47:55,971
you go through the process agreement, lost buddies

1440
00:47:55,971 --> 00:47:57,089
of mind. You go through the process of

1441
00:47:57,089 --> 00:47:58,148
the death you've seen

1442
00:47:58,527 --> 00:47:59,725
process of about taking a life.

1443
00:48:00,379 --> 00:48:02,054
You process that. You pray on it. You

1444
00:48:02,054 --> 00:48:03,411
you heal from me. You go to psychology...

1445
00:48:03,650 --> 00:48:05,246
The psychology. You do all the therapies. You

1446
00:48:05,246 --> 00:48:06,682
do as much as you know you feel

1447
00:48:06,682 --> 00:48:08,793
what we're drawn to. To just

1448
00:48:09,171 --> 00:48:10,846
understand it and how it's affecting you as

1449
00:48:10,846 --> 00:48:12,702
a human, and then you

1450
00:48:13,877 --> 00:48:14,377
confront

1451
00:48:14,914 --> 00:48:16,588
the demons of it, and you allow that

1452
00:48:16,588 --> 00:48:17,726
to resolve

1453
00:48:18,517 --> 00:48:20,510
big parts of those stresses so you can

1454
00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:21,010
actually

1455
00:48:21,466 --> 00:48:23,059
move forward in life, and you can show

1456
00:48:23,059 --> 00:48:25,211
up and perform in relationships and get other

1457
00:48:25,211 --> 00:48:25,451
jobs.

1458
00:48:26,260 --> 00:48:28,401
Some veterans don't have that. They miss that

1459
00:48:28,401 --> 00:48:30,067
step, and that's why you see them struggling.

1460
00:48:30,542 --> 00:48:32,208
Is they don't have that, and they're they're

1461
00:48:32,208 --> 00:48:33,690
they they don't have someone that can

1462
00:48:34,126 --> 00:48:35,795
confront it, push them through and make them

1463
00:48:35,795 --> 00:48:37,463
experience. They don't wanna look at the demons

1464
00:48:37,463 --> 00:48:38,735
anymore. They just let the demons hide in

1465
00:48:38,735 --> 00:48:40,483
the corner, let it affect them and they

1466
00:48:40,483 --> 00:48:42,254
just kinda live the life kinda

1467
00:48:42,963 --> 00:48:45,433
unfortunately, in a bad place and where a

1468
00:48:45,433 --> 00:48:46,332
lot of us go

1469
00:48:46,709 --> 00:48:48,860
22 a days unacceptable. Right? But that those

1470
00:48:48,860 --> 00:48:50,510
people are doing that. And

1471
00:48:50,948 --> 00:48:53,500
So it's it's interesting. It's very interesting to

1472
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:55,891
experience. That's for sure. Yeah. And I have

1473
00:48:55,891 --> 00:48:58,922
some friends, unfortunately, that are that do struggle.

1474
00:48:59,812 --> 00:49:00,289
Certainly.

1475
00:49:00,686 --> 00:49:02,909
It... It's it's weird. Know I read a

1476
00:49:02,909 --> 00:49:06,005
lot about, especially the younger generation, and I

1477
00:49:06,005 --> 00:49:07,036
get what they're saying.

1478
00:49:07,528 --> 00:49:09,992
Getting, you know, that we don't wanna fight

1479
00:49:09,992 --> 00:49:10,548
these wars,

1480
00:49:11,184 --> 00:49:11,684
and

1481
00:49:12,059 --> 00:49:15,341
the thing that's complicated about it. Look. Nobody

1482
00:49:15,476 --> 00:49:16,453
nobody wants

1483
00:49:16,842 --> 00:49:19,302
to go to war. Nobody wants that. Even

1484
00:49:19,302 --> 00:49:21,127
if you're raised... I mean, look, I saw

1485
00:49:21,286 --> 00:49:22,555
Top gun and I was ready to say.

1486
00:49:24,557 --> 00:49:26,073
Who wasn't. I was on the edge white

1487
00:49:26,073 --> 00:49:28,146
z the time. Yeah. Right? Right think who

1488
00:49:28,146 --> 00:49:28,705
doesn't get...

1489
00:49:29,503 --> 00:49:31,496
That's why the military helps pay for movies

1490
00:49:31,496 --> 00:49:33,570
like that because it it gets us Right

1491
00:49:33,570 --> 00:49:34,943
fight a recruiting tool.

1492
00:49:35,662 --> 00:49:38,618
Absolutely it's us site. Yeah. Now we are

1493
00:49:38,618 --> 00:49:40,535
on... We are in a new era,

1494
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:43,909
And I get the the understanding of why

1495
00:49:43,909 --> 00:49:45,989
should I be sent to fight these battles.

1496
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:48,069
I get that on 1 hand,

1497
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:49,690
certainly. And

1498
00:49:50,563 --> 00:49:53,835
but the unfortunate reality is even in 20

1499
00:49:53,835 --> 00:49:54,553
24,

1500
00:49:55,830 --> 00:49:57,766
nothing changes with humanity

1501
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:00,573
it just doesn't, and there's always gonna be

1502
00:50:01,508 --> 00:50:04,699
somebody out there wanting to kill you. Not

1503
00:50:04,699 --> 00:50:06,453
you the royal you. Let's just use United

1504
00:50:06,533 --> 00:50:08,864
States of America as the you. Do you?

1505
00:50:09,025 --> 00:50:11,824
It's it's just... That's the reality. And if

1506
00:50:11,824 --> 00:50:13,125
there aren't people

1507
00:50:13,905 --> 00:50:16,440
willing... That willing to to to take that

1508
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:18,574
fight to take up that sacrifice,

1509
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:20,089
then

1510
00:50:20,865 --> 00:50:23,438
there's big trouble ahead. There is.

1511
00:50:23,895 --> 00:50:24,714
I know that

1512
00:50:25,091 --> 00:50:25,411
intellectually,

1513
00:50:25,904 --> 00:50:28,458
Yes. It's hard to explain that. And I

1514
00:50:28,458 --> 00:50:29,894
get... That's like I get both sides of

1515
00:50:29,894 --> 00:50:32,129
the argument. Sure. I do take but but

1516
00:50:32,129 --> 00:50:33,406
it sort of leaves out.

1517
00:50:34,298 --> 00:50:36,530
Reality just because there's a bunch of people

1518
00:50:36,530 --> 00:50:38,761
that don't wanna do this. Doesn't mean it's

1519
00:50:38,761 --> 00:50:40,138
not gonna keep having.

1520
00:50:40,594 --> 00:50:42,684
Right. Exactly. And I such a good point

1521
00:50:42,684 --> 00:50:44,684
you brought up because I've had this in

1522
00:50:44,684 --> 00:50:46,765
my mind constantly the last year and a

1523
00:50:46,765 --> 00:50:47,005
half.

1524
00:50:47,804 --> 00:50:49,817
I hear it all the time across social

1525
00:50:49,817 --> 00:50:52,284
media posts and people legacy military families. Everyone

1526
00:50:52,284 --> 00:50:53,796
is saying don't join the military It's the

1527
00:50:53,796 --> 00:50:56,922
worst leadership ever, you don't go find global

1528
00:50:56,979 --> 00:50:58,412
general awards. It's like, okay, guys.

1529
00:50:59,302 --> 00:51:00,996
Gals. I understand

1530
00:51:01,371 --> 00:51:04,077
that argument. I do too. But here's the

1531
00:51:04,077 --> 00:51:05,986
other side. Like, you you'll probably appreciate this.

1532
00:51:06,384 --> 00:51:07,737
Here's my argument for it.

1533
00:51:08,706 --> 00:51:10,638
We have never not had

1534
00:51:11,092 --> 00:51:12,387
greedy political

1535
00:51:13,001 --> 00:51:14,216
ul motives

1536
00:51:14,591 --> 00:51:16,738
in any conflict. We've ever been a part

1537
00:51:16,738 --> 00:51:17,851
of. Ever.

1538
00:51:18,585 --> 00:51:20,744
If anyone thinks that we've ever fought 1

1539
00:51:20,744 --> 00:51:23,545
single board that has been 100 percent, all

1540
00:51:23,545 --> 00:51:26,184
altruistic based on Freedom Liberty and Happiness.

1541
00:51:26,838 --> 00:51:28,754
Period and a story America.

1542
00:51:29,392 --> 00:51:33,063
They're delusional. Yes. To delusional. The difference now

1543
00:51:33,063 --> 00:51:34,361
in 20 24

1544
00:51:34,752 --> 00:51:37,215
is that it because of social media and

1545
00:51:37,215 --> 00:51:39,780
technology advancements and global changes.

1546
00:51:40,472 --> 00:51:41,449
We are now

1547
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:44,396
more exposed to the other side of the

1548
00:51:44,396 --> 00:51:46,633
veil than we have ever been before. We

1549
00:51:46,633 --> 00:51:50,476
see the ambitions of politicians and greedy corporations

1550
00:51:50,476 --> 00:51:52,942
and bad public public figures. And we see

1551
00:51:52,942 --> 00:51:55,010
children dying and we see what the what

1552
00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:57,237
the results are. Yeah. We see that.

1553
00:51:58,288 --> 00:52:01,159
All of it combined together is just being

1554
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:03,632
shoved in our face all 1 time. Mh.

1555
00:52:04,110 --> 00:52:07,141
World war 2, there was motives. Vietnam,

1556
00:52:07,794 --> 00:52:09,469
hundred percent. There was a lot of. I

1557
00:52:09,469 --> 00:52:12,041
mean, all the desert storm. All, we

1558
00:52:12,418 --> 00:52:14,651
galore terrorism. It's... I'm gonna say it my

1559
00:52:14,651 --> 00:52:16,027
war as well, it just

1560
00:52:16,739 --> 00:52:17,957
I look at this way is

1561
00:52:18,415 --> 00:52:20,092
you made a very valid point I wanna

1562
00:52:20,092 --> 00:52:21,289
just bring that home a little bit more

1563
00:52:21,289 --> 00:52:23,684
is. If we don't have people who are

1564
00:52:23,684 --> 00:52:24,423
still willing

1565
00:52:24,961 --> 00:52:25,461
to

1566
00:52:26,974 --> 00:52:27,474
sacrifice

1567
00:52:28,414 --> 00:52:30,494
and actually step up to the challenge and

1568
00:52:30,494 --> 00:52:31,135
to serve,

1569
00:52:32,255 --> 00:52:34,668
not for that But for the other factors

1570
00:52:34,668 --> 00:52:36,185
of why we all serve to begin with.

1571
00:52:36,345 --> 00:52:38,262
We all, every person is ever served military,

1572
00:52:38,502 --> 00:52:40,260
I guarantee you awesome. Why did you join?

1573
00:52:40,754 --> 00:52:41,870
I the majority of them, I would say,

1574
00:52:42,109 --> 00:52:43,625
Not now. But the more Would say it's,

1575
00:52:43,704 --> 00:52:45,618
like, because I wanted to to to do

1576
00:52:45,618 --> 00:52:46,118
something

1577
00:52:46,734 --> 00:52:48,489
through something greater than me. I wanted to

1578
00:52:48,489 --> 00:52:49,626
selfless serve

1579
00:52:49,938 --> 00:52:51,608
my community. I wanted to give back to

1580
00:52:51,608 --> 00:52:53,117
my country that I was born in. I

1581
00:52:53,276 --> 00:52:55,343
I've heard so many real really patriotic things.

1582
00:52:55,502 --> 00:52:56,535
There are some people like, I went to

1583
00:52:56,535 --> 00:52:56,932
college money.

1584
00:52:57,728 --> 00:52:58,602
That's them. Yeah.

1585
00:52:59,333 --> 00:53:02,598
Majority? Directly, the military certainly turns toward the

1586
00:53:02,598 --> 00:53:05,147
poor and says, hey, you're our people, and

1587
00:53:05,147 --> 00:53:07,536
that's fucked up. We all know that. Yes.

1588
00:53:08,188 --> 00:53:10,098
We do. We do. And that's not... Yeah.

1589
00:53:10,257 --> 00:53:11,770
Because it's not like a rich, the whole,

1590
00:53:12,088 --> 00:53:13,839
ultra wealthy or I put their kids please.

1591
00:53:14,157 --> 00:53:15,909
I think there was a, gentleman I I

1592
00:53:15,909 --> 00:53:17,023
spoke with the other day too. He talked

1593
00:53:17,023 --> 00:53:19,114
about. He said, Yeah. That's why it... And,

1594
00:53:19,434 --> 00:53:21,434
oh, yeah was the navy guy. He says

1595
00:53:21,434 --> 00:53:23,994
the United Kingdom is less likely to go

1596
00:53:23,994 --> 00:53:25,195
to war He's writing in a dis...

1597
00:53:25,835 --> 00:53:26,735
Because he's a Phd

1598
00:53:27,289 --> 00:53:28,727
for history, and he's right in dis rotation

1599
00:53:28,727 --> 00:53:30,963
on why America is always gonna be primed

1600
00:53:30,963 --> 00:53:32,322
to go to war more than, let's say

1601
00:53:32,322 --> 00:53:34,965
the Uk. And that's because They already have

1602
00:53:34,965 --> 00:53:36,554
status in the armed forces over there. These

1603
00:53:36,554 --> 00:53:38,221
guys are all for royal families are all

1604
00:53:38,221 --> 00:53:39,729
wealthy. So when they go to where they

1605
00:53:39,729 --> 00:53:41,158
come home, they they kinda go back to

1606
00:53:41,158 --> 00:53:42,508
their normal life, but when we go to

1607
00:53:42,508 --> 00:53:44,596
war, we can be poor. We come home

1608
00:53:44,596 --> 00:53:46,352
and we get these out boys and these

1609
00:53:46,352 --> 00:53:48,029
parking spots and we get always these accolades

1610
00:53:48,029 --> 00:53:49,865
it... So that could always will put us

1611
00:53:49,865 --> 00:53:51,941
on this competition agenda where we're always gonna

1612
00:53:51,941 --> 00:53:53,551
be in position always gonna fight these. We're

1613
00:53:53,551 --> 00:53:55,625
more likely to fight worse. That's 1 piece

1614
00:53:55,625 --> 00:53:56,901
of it. I thought that was pretty brilliant

1615
00:53:56,901 --> 00:53:58,655
way to put it. Yeah. It's really interesting.

1616
00:53:59,054 --> 00:54:00,410
The other piece to you go back to

1617
00:54:00,410 --> 00:54:02,300
your question the or your thought here was

1618
00:54:03,691 --> 00:54:05,599
If we don't have people those still willing

1619
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:07,667
to serve their country to say, look. I

1620
00:54:07,667 --> 00:54:09,019
don't like this over here, but I still

1621
00:54:09,019 --> 00:54:10,927
know there's good here. And I wanna serve

1622
00:54:10,927 --> 00:54:12,041
this still to protect it.

1623
00:54:12,853 --> 00:54:13,911
You're right. We're

1624
00:54:14,368 --> 00:54:15,245
we're dire straits.

1625
00:54:16,043 --> 00:54:17,797
If at some point, it's gonna get worse

1626
00:54:17,797 --> 00:54:19,632
than it as now where we're only gonna

1627
00:54:19,632 --> 00:54:21,467
continuously have bad people in the military, they're

1628
00:54:21,467 --> 00:54:23,573
gonna deter aid it with all of their

1629
00:54:23,708 --> 00:54:24,105
agendas.

1630
00:54:24,581 --> 00:54:26,248
And then we're gonna have good people getting

1631
00:54:26,248 --> 00:54:27,676
out, and we're no longer gonna have a

1632
00:54:27,676 --> 00:54:29,795
force that's gonna be worthy of defending our

1633
00:54:29,914 --> 00:54:32,217
our borders, and our 4 policies, etcetera, We're

1634
00:54:32,217 --> 00:54:33,250
not gonna be able to be what we

1635
00:54:33,250 --> 00:54:34,839
once were. And and then we're gonna be

1636
00:54:34,839 --> 00:54:36,587
a place where now we're vulnerable.

1637
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:39,000
And we're capable... You know, in a position

1638
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,440
where people can do a lot of bad

1639
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,839
things to us, and it's gonna deteriorate the

1640
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,359
United States from within, which is the only

1641
00:54:44,359 --> 00:54:45,973
way you can take us down. And I

1642
00:54:45,973 --> 00:54:47,486
think that's the argument there Is like, Don't

1643
00:54:47,486 --> 00:54:48,840
wanna go get die for in a affordable

1644
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,832
more. Dude. Nobody wants to die or anymore.

1645
00:54:51,867 --> 00:54:53,063
I my buddy the guy had buy an

1646
00:54:53,381 --> 00:54:54,949
Rpg and I wrecked didn't wanna die for

1647
00:54:55,068 --> 00:54:56,417
for Iraqi freedom. You know what I mean?

1648
00:54:56,496 --> 00:54:57,869
But He did. So

1649
00:54:58,242 --> 00:55:00,463
he did what he was asked to do

1650
00:55:00,463 --> 00:55:02,303
because we don't have the choice we sign

1651
00:55:02,303 --> 00:55:03,576
up. We're not like, I won't go to

1652
00:55:03,735 --> 00:55:05,564
Afghanistan, but I won't go to Iraq. It

1653
00:55:05,564 --> 00:55:07,394
doesn't happen that way. We were gonna go

1654
00:55:07,394 --> 00:55:08,030
where we're needed.

1655
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,360
If you can go in with the idea

1656
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,199
and the mindset that I'm doing something that

1657
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:13,719
for the greater good here, even if it's

1658
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:14,679
a short period of time,

1659
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,019
maybe we needed to start challenging

1660
00:55:17,333 --> 00:55:19,799
veterans and start challenging other capable men and

1661
00:55:19,799 --> 00:55:20,617
women to

1662
00:55:20,992 --> 00:55:21,731
at least

1663
00:55:22,186 --> 00:55:23,617
get into the fight for a short period

1664
00:55:23,617 --> 00:55:26,329
of time. Really quality leadership back into the

1665
00:55:26,329 --> 00:55:28,653
military can actually change the culture

1666
00:55:29,184 --> 00:55:30,610
back to a place where we are war

1667
00:55:30,610 --> 00:55:31,666
fighters, not

1668
00:55:32,054 --> 00:55:34,708
worried about people's feelings, and we can actually

1669
00:55:35,005 --> 00:55:37,797
sustain the military until we can figure out

1670
00:55:37,797 --> 00:55:40,269
how to fix this political debacle that we've

1671
00:55:40,269 --> 00:55:41,625
got going on and we can change it.

1672
00:55:41,959 --> 00:55:43,228
From that perspective,

1673
00:55:44,022 --> 00:55:45,926
you need the military to be strong. And

1674
00:55:46,085 --> 00:55:47,354
I think that's the piece And I I'll

1675
00:55:47,354 --> 00:55:48,624
throw this I'm gonna throw listen to hat

1676
00:55:48,624 --> 00:55:50,791
here as I'm in fact in the process

1677
00:55:50,791 --> 00:55:53,367
of potentially re listing to the military. So

1678
00:55:53,585 --> 00:55:56,001
at 44 years old as a,

1679
00:55:56,379 --> 00:55:57,976
grown up in a patriotic household,

1680
00:55:58,949 --> 00:56:01,030
love my. I love, you know, what I've

1681
00:56:01,030 --> 00:56:02,710
was able to be born into. I was

1682
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:04,550
able to grow up in. I've served my

1683
00:56:04,550 --> 00:56:05,750
country I've seen the ups and downs and

1684
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:07,510
good about. I know what the military is.

1685
00:56:07,924 --> 00:56:09,443
So I'm going in with my eyes wide

1686
00:56:09,443 --> 00:56:10,322
open. I'm not an idiot.

1687
00:56:10,881 --> 00:56:12,719
But I'd being called to be pulled in

1688
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:13,997
my heart, something's I'm my heart time I

1689
00:56:13,997 --> 00:56:15,116
need to go back and I've talked to

1690
00:56:15,116 --> 00:56:17,684
so many people like, we need good quality

1691
00:56:17,684 --> 00:56:20,469
people to come back in to help... I

1692
00:56:20,469 --> 00:56:22,539
would say it's almost like, prop up the

1693
00:56:22,539 --> 00:56:24,927
failing leadership, prop up the failing policies and

1694
00:56:24,927 --> 00:56:26,041
kinda get us back on track.

1695
00:56:26,614 --> 00:56:28,132
And I've talked to some other bets that

1696
00:56:28,132 --> 00:56:29,250
are, like, I'm willing to do it too.

1697
00:56:29,410 --> 00:56:30,369
So there are a lot of veterans like,

1698
00:56:30,449 --> 00:56:30,848
you know what?

1699
00:56:32,126 --> 00:56:33,975
Will they take me? And, yes, at your,

1700
00:56:34,055 --> 00:56:36,438
you know, they're... They'll age waiver you if

1701
00:56:36,438 --> 00:56:38,584
you've already served. They subtract your active duty

1702
00:56:38,584 --> 00:56:40,093
by your biological age and they make you

1703
00:56:40,093 --> 00:56:41,762
that age. They age waiver. You past the

1704
00:56:41,762 --> 00:56:43,451
physical you can get the contract you want,

1705
00:56:43,530 --> 00:56:44,966
and go back a server you wanna serve.

1706
00:56:45,445 --> 00:56:47,438
So I'm willing to do that because I

1707
00:56:47,438 --> 00:56:50,012
feel like we need mentorship for these younger

1708
00:56:50,070 --> 00:56:51,746
generations going in right now. We need older

1709
00:56:51,746 --> 00:56:54,237
guys who had the combat experience the leadership

1710
00:56:54,237 --> 00:56:55,515
experience. I've been running my own business almost

1711
00:56:55,515 --> 00:56:57,673
as 15 years. I can bring it in

1712
00:56:57,673 --> 00:56:59,830
into this perspective were to help mold some

1713
00:56:59,830 --> 00:57:01,603
of these younger kids coming in, so they

1714
00:57:01,603 --> 00:57:03,201
don't get lost in the pipeline of the

1715
00:57:03,201 --> 00:57:05,139
military and fall victim to

1716
00:57:05,677 --> 00:57:07,595
anything but what they were signing up to

1717
00:57:07,595 --> 00:57:07,755
do.

1718
00:57:08,406 --> 00:57:09,916
And I think that... It's gonna... But it's

1719
00:57:09,916 --> 00:57:10,734
gonna require

1720
00:57:11,267 --> 00:57:13,811
immense, sacrifice and personal courage. And require people

1721
00:57:13,811 --> 00:57:15,082
to set their egos down and go, you

1722
00:57:15,082 --> 00:57:16,454
know what? Let me let me be a

1723
00:57:16,454 --> 00:57:18,295
little bit more objective with what, you know,

1724
00:57:18,614 --> 00:57:20,295
this is intel here. So I'm glad you

1725
00:57:20,295 --> 00:57:22,694
brought that up. Yeah. And especially because a

1726
00:57:22,694 --> 00:57:24,630
lot of the people that are being recruited

1727
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:26,809
in. Unfortunately, are bringing in

1728
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:28,489
agendas that

1729
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:32,554
I do not represent when used... When you

1730
00:57:32,554 --> 00:57:34,379
decide to serve and tell me if I'm

1731
00:57:34,379 --> 00:57:35,727
incorrect here, but when you decide to serve

1732
00:57:35,727 --> 00:57:38,108
the military, you're serving all of the United

1733
00:57:38,266 --> 00:57:40,510
States of America, not just your favorite religion,

1734
00:57:40,750 --> 00:57:41,650
not your favorite,

1735
00:57:42,269 --> 00:57:45,069
you know, color, not your favorite creed or

1736
00:57:45,069 --> 00:57:48,530
your favorite sexual orientation or you

1737
00:57:49,003 --> 00:57:49,503
are

1738
00:57:50,116 --> 00:57:52,365
protecting and serving the entirety

1739
00:57:52,740 --> 00:57:54,751
of the United States of America

1740
00:57:55,204 --> 00:57:58,568
and its constitution And yeah everything that that

1741
00:57:58,568 --> 00:58:01,545
stands for. Yeah. And I think, unfortunately,

1742
00:58:02,163 --> 00:58:02,563
there was...

1743
00:58:03,601 --> 00:58:05,454
I don't know how many. I don't track

1744
00:58:05,454 --> 00:58:07,532
of the stats, but there is a faction

1745
00:58:07,532 --> 00:58:09,610
of military people that are coming in that

1746
00:58:09,610 --> 00:58:12,247
are, like, I'm gonna fight and make sure

1747
00:58:12,247 --> 00:58:13,765
that none of those people ever get to

1748
00:58:13,765 --> 00:58:15,614
lit... You know, that of thing. And that's

1749
00:58:15,614 --> 00:58:17,286
dangerous. Is is at the point.

1750
00:58:18,083 --> 00:58:19,675
No. You don't need to do. And that's

1751
00:58:19,675 --> 00:58:21,130
the other thing you don't need to

1752
00:58:22,064 --> 00:58:22,564
sometimes

1753
00:58:23,193 --> 00:58:23,693
The

1754
00:58:24,066 --> 00:58:25,970
confrontation to change things that you feel is

1755
00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:26,470
not

1756
00:58:26,842 --> 00:58:28,985
not voting well for something that you value

1757
00:58:28,985 --> 00:58:31,127
or cherish, doesn't need to be so direct

1758
00:58:31,127 --> 00:58:32,260
action. You know, you don't need to go

1759
00:58:32,260 --> 00:58:33,719
into and Be like I need to combat

1760
00:58:33,780 --> 00:58:36,500
this leader who's acting this way. Sometimes getting

1761
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:38,739
in there and doing your job exceptionally well,

1762
00:58:39,380 --> 00:58:40,359
creating real

1763
00:58:41,152 --> 00:58:44,024
leadership transformation by exam... By an example of

1764
00:58:44,024 --> 00:58:46,496
it, and it in... It's almost like encouraging

1765
00:58:46,496 --> 00:58:48,490
other the people to follow suit through your

1766
00:58:48,490 --> 00:58:50,006
actions and not your words, right? Deeds not

1767
00:58:50,006 --> 00:58:50,245
words,

1768
00:58:51,213 --> 00:58:53,379
that naturally will evolve

1769
00:58:53,751 --> 00:58:54,251
whatever

1770
00:58:54,624 --> 00:58:56,369
dysfunction you might have noticed going on in

1771
00:58:56,369 --> 00:58:57,266
there. You don't

1772
00:58:57,654 --> 00:58:59,093
See. I think people get to help at

1773
00:58:59,093 --> 00:59:00,771
on it Well, again, it's like, they they

1774
00:59:00,771 --> 00:59:03,088
have this, like, righteous purpose and they go,

1775
00:59:03,169 --> 00:59:04,447
you know what? It... But is it a

1776
00:59:04,447 --> 00:59:06,206
good righteous purpose? Where is it just a

1777
00:59:06,206 --> 00:59:07,185
personal thing

1778
00:59:07,498 --> 00:59:09,010
that may... There are a lot of things

1779
00:59:09,010 --> 00:59:10,442
the military is doing. I don't like either.

1780
00:59:11,237 --> 00:59:12,431
I'm... But my job is not to go

1781
00:59:12,431 --> 00:59:14,101
in there and go, hey, you, you can't

1782
00:59:14,101 --> 00:59:15,534
do that. My job is, hey... If I

1783
00:59:15,534 --> 00:59:17,775
go back in, I'm gonna be the best

1784
00:59:17,775 --> 00:59:19,126
version of me as this guy that I

1785
00:59:19,126 --> 00:59:21,112
have become, this leader that I... Whenever I

1786
00:59:21,112 --> 00:59:22,622
can include and share with these young men

1787
00:59:22,622 --> 00:59:24,768
and women, and I'm going to let that.

1788
00:59:25,736 --> 00:59:26,134
Birth,

1789
00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:29,493
whoever they are, so that that naturally influences

1790
00:59:29,867 --> 00:59:32,249
the ranks. And I think... But there is

1791
00:59:32,249 --> 00:59:34,012
some moments where you do have step up

1792
00:59:34,012 --> 00:59:35,525
and be confrontational and go, you know what?

1793
00:59:35,844 --> 00:59:37,436
No. We're not gonna worry about that right

1794
00:59:37,436 --> 00:59:39,745
now because I actually diminishes the fighting capabilities

1795
00:59:39,745 --> 00:59:41,019
here and here's why, and then you go

1796
00:59:41,019 --> 00:59:41,736
after that that way.

1797
00:59:42,546 --> 00:59:44,056
Discernment is the key muscle and that needs

1798
00:59:44,056 --> 00:59:46,361
to be work. But the United States... Will

1799
00:59:46,361 --> 00:59:48,110
we swear to oath, we swear oath to

1800
00:59:48,110 --> 00:59:49,007
the United States

1801
00:59:49,620 --> 00:59:51,543
constitution, and it's... That oath never ends. Period.

1802
00:59:52,022 --> 00:59:54,197
Even if we get out, it's to the

1803
00:59:54,415 --> 00:59:56,807
constitution and what that... Like you said, with

1804
00:59:56,807 --> 00:59:59,759
that encompasses. The the right, the the life

1805
00:59:59,918 --> 01:00:01,607
Liberty and Pursuit of happiness, all of it.

1806
01:00:01,766 --> 01:00:02,879
The bill of writes, you know, for a

1807
01:00:02,879 --> 01:00:05,105
second or 4 all in the tenth, we

1808
01:00:05,105 --> 01:00:06,218
are swearing it oath.

1809
01:00:07,490 --> 01:00:08,841
That's our legion to that.

1810
01:00:09,492 --> 01:00:12,270
Period... Not politics, not really. To a man

1811
01:00:12,270 --> 01:00:14,572
in the office. Right. Not to a type

1812
01:00:14,572 --> 01:00:16,715
of person who's running a this will, you

1813
01:00:16,715 --> 01:00:19,116
know, entity over here. Not to a faction

1814
01:00:19,116 --> 01:00:20,950
of people who are extreme on 1 side

1815
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:22,168
or the other of the aisle

1816
01:00:22,545 --> 01:00:22,864
to that.

1817
01:00:23,901 --> 01:00:25,655
And I think we've lost or may because

1818
01:00:25,655 --> 01:00:28,142
of that, because we've become hypo and hyper

1819
01:00:28,142 --> 01:00:29,897
tribal that we've been and that everybody is

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focused on their own candidates. It's become selfish.

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People are losing

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resiliency when it comes to emotional maturity

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people don't like the way things are said.

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They don't like the way people are saying

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them. They don't like certain things.

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I think that's the problem. And we have

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to defend it. But you do... Here's the

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thing. You only change the military. It self

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we're on that subject. You've only changed the

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dysfunction of the military that's happening from the

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inside. With leaders who

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understand. Yeah. Can't do it from the outside.

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With leaders. You can't you can spend all

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day long on Twitter x or wherever they

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call it. You can spend all day on

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their

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complaining all day long and talking about this

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and that and post articles and re retweeted

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and yelling and tell people don't do it.

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It's the worst thing ever.

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That's not gonna change it.

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It's just not going to. You gotta be

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willing to put... You gotta put skin in

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the. And if you're not willing to do

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that, honestly, it's just all gas it's just

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coming hot gas and granted, there are some

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people are making some changes through their efforts.

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But again, I've I've seen more smoke and

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than I've seen action, and I'm like, guys.

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We we gotta step up.

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Yeah. It's much easier to talk than it

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is for action. That's the easiest thing in

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the world. Even and if you... Even if

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you've done it, Even You've done it already.

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You've paid your dues. So what I have

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too. I'm willing to go do it again.

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Yeah. I'm willing to.

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Wiley, you're fun to talk with.

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Thanks

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Appreciate that.

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Tell people how they can find you and

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there may be some emails coming your way

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to talk to you about

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you know, everything that we've discussed here Sure.

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From your perspective because I, I can't speak

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for you, obviously. So tell people about how

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they can find you if they want to.

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Yeah. I I mean, I threw together our

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website a couple years ago, W g dot

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com. It's got just all the really interesting

1871
01:02:11,336 --> 01:02:12,613
philosophies. It touches on some of the stuff

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01:02:12,613 --> 01:02:13,730
you and I talked about today.

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Videos, etcetera. Just a place for people to

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kinda get a 1 dimensional

1875
01:02:17,984 --> 01:02:19,824
understanding a little bit about who I am.

1876
01:02:20,144 --> 01:02:22,079
I... I'm more of an interpersonal kinda guy.

1877
01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:24,716
I like conversations on phones and emails, and...

1878
01:02:25,195 --> 01:02:25,595
I'm not a

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transactional person. So I'm not... This is not

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about... I don't sell myself. I don't go

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01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:31,113
out go, hey, I a business. You wanna

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01:02:31,113 --> 01:02:32,382
work with me? This is not my... That's

1883
01:02:32,382 --> 01:02:35,263
not... However ever operated. It's always been just

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relationship, dynamics, building relationships, meeting people,

1885
01:02:38,587 --> 01:02:40,019
you know, right people will always be the

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right people the right time timing, I'm not,

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you know, stress about that either. So I...

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You know, what people think that, oh, gosh

1889
01:02:44,951 --> 01:02:46,799
is another guy who's just out selling some

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coaching because that's not what I do either.

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This reality is I am here to just

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share insights and philosophies and understanding about what

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01:02:53,817 --> 01:02:54,477
might be

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01:02:54,947 --> 01:02:57,090
you know, hindering people's performance and and and

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01:02:57,090 --> 01:02:59,256
and messing with their lives and helping them

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challenge the status quo challenge what they think

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01:03:01,533 --> 01:03:04,736
is right wrong or different or comfortable or

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01:03:04,736 --> 01:03:06,991
uncomfortable and and realize there's so much more

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01:03:07,049 --> 01:03:08,565
that you are missing if you don't have

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01:03:08,565 --> 01:03:10,958
the right types of of people confronting those

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01:03:10,958 --> 01:03:13,204
realities with you. So Y mcgraw dot com,

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01:03:13,523 --> 01:03:15,594
I have my account. At twitter at y

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01:03:15,594 --> 01:03:17,108
mcgraw. I'm hardly on there, but... You I

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01:03:17,108 --> 01:03:18,962
sometimes jump on there have some interesting

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01:03:19,274 --> 01:03:21,186
back and forth with people post podcast podcasts

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01:03:21,186 --> 01:03:22,940
and stuff like this. Linkedin gen dot com.

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I have that too. Yes

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I'm trying to think all the social media

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stuff I put together. I spent 12 years

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behind the scenes without any any digital presence.

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01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:32,742
So it's kinda... Those were the days. Those

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01:03:32,742 --> 01:03:34,808
those are the days. The pan pandemic changed

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all that for us, but,

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those are the 3 spots people can find

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01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,423
me, and of course, my contact information is

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01:03:39,423 --> 01:03:40,082
there if

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01:03:40,771 --> 01:03:42,753
anybody, anybody wants to just chat. I'm I'm

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01:03:42,753 --> 01:03:44,831
always open for it. Yeah. And I'll, I'll

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01:03:44,831 --> 01:03:47,635
put links on hey human podcast dot com

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01:03:47,690 --> 01:03:50,074
as well. And I really appreciate your time.

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01:03:50,312 --> 01:03:51,901
You're great to chat with. I... You have

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01:03:51,901 --> 01:03:53,465
an open door anytime you wanna come on

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01:03:53,584 --> 01:03:53,744
show.

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01:03:54,462 --> 01:03:55,977
I really appreciate you happy. It's been fun.

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01:03:56,536 --> 01:03:57,971
We're to maybe doing it again soon. Yeah.

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01:03:58,130 --> 01:04:00,045
I talk about this stuff all day. Well,

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01:04:00,364 --> 01:04:01,720
I'm happy to go round too. But I

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01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:02,836
mean, you're fun to talk to you as

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01:04:02,836 --> 01:04:05,235
well. You ask really good questions that really

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01:04:05,235 --> 01:04:07,061
allow more information to kinda pour out It's

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01:04:07,061 --> 01:04:09,284
good. Thank you. Have a beautiful day. You

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01:04:09,284 --> 01:04:12,062
too. Thank you for listening everybody. Bye.

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See you. Bye. Bye.

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Rate to review and subscribe to hey human

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podcast podcasts on itunes. By if I I

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hurt whoever you get your podcast.

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Thanks. Bye.