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Hey, humans. How's it going? Susan Ruth here.

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Thanks for listening to another episode of hey,

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human podcast.

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This is episode 4 and 10. And my

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guests are actor and activist William Baldwin

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and doc Robert Margaret, who has worked on

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issues of homelessness for more than 3 decades.

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We'll learn a lot more about Robert in

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an upcoming episode.

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Robert and Williams sat down with me and

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talked about how the 2 of them have

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spent the last year visiting homeless

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shelters and outreach programs.

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They're part of a huge

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humanitarian campaign that includes

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the documentary

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Americans with no address that William,

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is the narrative 4. A feature film, no

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address, starring William and an ensemble cast. A

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book based on the film and an interactive

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study guide to accompany

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all of it and it is to educate

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and provide structure for approaches

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to engage and, quote, serve individuals who are

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experiencing homelessness un unquote.

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I've seen the documentary, and it is

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incredible.

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It

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stunning

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well done.

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What really struck me in the film was

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that there are outreach programs, private groups churches,

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private citizens who are making a huge difference

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in the homelessness

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crisis in the fact that so many

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Americans

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have no address as stated in the film

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title in San Antonio, there is a program

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that was featured in the documentary that

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has been able to drop homelessness by 70

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percent.

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It works. These programs work and yet, it

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seems our government

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is so busy fighting with itself.

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That they're what's really standing in the way

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of tackling this issue, and it's not a

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left or right thing

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because both sides

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are have fo have problems with dealing with

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this crisis. It's mental health crisis.

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It's an addiction crisis.

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It's it's a lot of stuff, all wrapped

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up, But it's being

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dealt with and

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handled in a really beautiful lovely

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humane.

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dare I say Christ like,

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I'm going to say it because I think

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that's fitting.

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In a way that

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really... And I don't mean that in a

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religious sense, I should say. I mean not

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in an embodiment

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sense.

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That it's it's working.

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And so I... When this movie when the

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documentary, I should say, comes out

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and people can see it. Right now, it's

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doing the tour, and and they showed it

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up in Washington Dc and things like that.

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When it hits the air waves for

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public consumption, I highly recommended it. It's so

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so so good.

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The movie, no address won't be out till

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the end of the year, but the documentary

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come out sooner than that. So please, if

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William Baldwin, and Doctor Robert Margaret, welcome to

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a human.

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Hello. Hello. Hello?

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Thanks for being here. Billy. We're gonna focus

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on you for most of this. Robert, you're

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gonna be stats person I understand. Billie, how

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I like to start is I ask people

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where they're from and how their childhood shaped

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who they are now? I was born on

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Long Island in Mass Long Island. I live

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most of my life in New York.

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Went to school and Upstate New York, and

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I lived in New York City and the

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suburbs. You know, when I met my wife

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and we had our children that I I

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got relocated for working

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raised my children in the Santa of Barbara

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commute to paramount, and I've been out in

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on the West Coast for

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since 2007,

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but spent the majority of my life, in

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in and around the city. You're living in

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the city or, you know, growing up in

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the suburbs and, yeah. My my life was

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very, very

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heavily influenced by... Primarily

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by, you know, my... You know, my parents

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first, my siblings, my community,

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competed as an athlete as a wrestler, and

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I think Wrestling from fourth grade through high...

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Junior high, high school in college.

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the way,

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I go about my luck pursuing

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just my philosophy on life, but more importantly

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than that, certainly my parents, my father was

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a public educator.

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and he did everything at the school. He

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coached the football team, the rifle team, he

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ran the e club. He'd rather the youth

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recreation program. He was

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a little coach for when my brother, Alex

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started to when Steven finished, and he was...

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to when Steven finished. So he just was

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directly and indirectly helping influence in shape and

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the lives of a lot of the members

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of my community for, you know, 35 years.

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was a real pillar in our community He

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was a gonna pillar and someone who instilled

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the value in me, my siblings and many

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people in my community of giving back in,

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you know, through in the form of service.

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Has he is he passed away?

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He died when I was... I'm very young.

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I was college. That's awful. I'm sorry. And

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then my mother

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miraculously lived to be

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almost 93.

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Oh, wow. She my dad by 40 years.

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Clearly, in your childhood,

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you mentioned activism political science,

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I think that definitely shapes a child to

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have that

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conversation going in the house? Yeah. And is

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that really where you got the show bug

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to be a a really an active member

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activist that happened to become an actor or

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not. The other way around. I wasn't an

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actor that happened to become an activist. Because

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15 years old. I was involved with student

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6 or seventh grade all the way through

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graduating and at Binghamton University Was a political

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science major.

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for fetch coffee and dry cleaning on the

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a little and I've been active on

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various political nonprofit and and charitable boards for

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decades. My mother's breast cancer Foundation, rocked the

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vote the creative coalition,

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a help for the homeless... Lots of different

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organizations. I've been

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involved in, but that was something that was

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instilled to me, you know, dinner

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conversations sitting around the dinner table. I don't

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every night. We we always said dinner around

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the tate table every night, but I don't

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and Walter Cro be on every night, but

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we were a family that that watched the

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news was aware of world affairs and current

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affairs and discussed it. I mean, I I

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literally remember discussing when I was, you know,

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10 years old, what was going on with

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Nixon and Water gate around the dinner table

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of my father.

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You feel like that's something that you've been

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instilled in your own kids as well as

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you move forward?

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I hope so, I think so I don't

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Here's the deal. Like, it's in my Dna.

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I don't know if it's in their Dna,

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the way it's in my Dna.

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I sort of have a compartment

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life where

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I do things with my kids, and I

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don't really talk a lot about my show

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business career, and I don't... I do talk

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about things that are important to me. But

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we live in a world where kids are

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being sort of repel and turned off by...

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Not... We... Look, my kids aren't the kids

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right now,

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that are watching what's happening

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and they're aware, but they're not, like, actively

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going to demonstrations. They have in the past

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actually. They've gone to climate change of events.

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They've gone to Black lives matter events.

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They've marched in Santa Barbara and big marches

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that they've had in in Santa Barbara,

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so they're aware, and they've they've demonstrated. There's...

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I I wouldn't say they have been...

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Like, I was involved with student government in

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from seventh grade through twelfth Grade. They've never

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done that. I was a political science major.

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They were not political science major. They are

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aware, and they are

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compassionate if they care. So we'll see where

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at leads another. What my oldest just graduated

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at Usc, my middle child is gonna be

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a senior at Sc usc,

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and my youngest child who

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is the the dod bird

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was, the val

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of her school, and she's currently not She's

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on her second gap year because she's working

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and doing great in New York, and she's

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playing guitar. And she's in studios and she's

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recording demos and stuff. So she's

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very bright. I'm not sure if it's gonna

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wind up with her with, like a dual,

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theater and economics degree or

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if she's gonna go like her mother and

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go into show business and have a record

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deal and have 3 songs go to number

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1.

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On the billboard charts when she's 19 or

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20 years old, like her mother did and

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her grandmother. My her mother is my wife

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China Phillips

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and her grandmother is Michelle Phillips ups from

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the mama's Papa so she comes from a

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long line. But, I think that's what's in

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her Dna.

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Yeah. I get that. But she was Val

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don't know any That it didn't go on

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to go to college. Right now she's 1.

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As far as the younger generation, I mean,

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they didn't have a requirement

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for Civic for my nieces and nephews. So

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I don't know if that's even a part

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of the curriculum anymore in high school, which

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is unfortunate because I think that it rob

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people of,

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in a way it rob them of their

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voice. If they don't know how everything works,

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how can they speak out against it? Yeah.

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My father used that a class like that

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gold current affair then 1 of the assignments

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every week is that you had to read

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an article in the near times or or

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News, Long Island and clip it and write

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AA1 page report on it. There was various

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aspects of what, you know. What was the...

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What was the article about and what was

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your opinion on the article? And then you

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had to present it in class.

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And my father just required that you didn't

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clip like

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the box score from the yankee Red sox

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game the night before and say, yeah.

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Yay. Hey. We won. You know, we we

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wanted it to defeat. But he left a

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broad

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swath, if you will, of, it didn't have

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to be

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politics,

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government history. It could be on

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a play, it could be on some sort

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of other cultural what he loved when they

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were... When they when they got it Even

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though it was a Snippets class. He loved

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when they got it. Oh, my father take

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bus flows and kids to the theater every

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you. And that's why Wound up getting to

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steal a lot of theater because we could

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never afford that. I... We never had a

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car. We'd never went on a vacation. We'd

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never were on a plane. We'd never ate

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at restaurants, but I wanna getting a healthy

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dose of live musical theater because my father

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had cake with a bunch of chaperone,

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kids to see. I saw S,

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the wiz,

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pip,

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I saw dozens of shows when I was,

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like, 09:10 years old because my father would

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take groups of kids

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and in exchange for taking...

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2 buffalo the kids taking 50 or 60

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kids. He would prom, like, 2 or 3

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tickets and throw us on the bus with

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them, and I got to see a lot

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of musical theater when I was young, 08:10,

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12 years old. That's so cool. Your dad

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would have loved Hamilton.

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Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

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Did your dad get you into wrestling too

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or was that another... Somebody else in new

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life. That was my best friend's dad. K.

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My best friend's dad,

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if you can follow this. My best friend's

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dad. My dad was a teacher at Mass

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high school, my best friend's dad was a

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student there,

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what my father was his teacher. Not my

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best friend, my best friend's dad. He graduated

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in 57

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then graduated from the Nyu and 61

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went back to his,

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his old Alma, high school to become a

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teacher there and my father was a civic

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history,

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social study teacher and football coach. His father

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was a ph teacher and the,

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the varsity wrestling coach there for decades and

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his dad got me involved in wrestling at

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a very early age when I was 708

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years old. I understand you and Robert have

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a little rivalry between swimming and wrestling as

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far as Olympic

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sports.

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No. It's... It's pent

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and he's just jealous because he can't do

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5 different sports. So... Put it this way?

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I walks around with a s shirt, you

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know, and does this thing you on a

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mat. IIT

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Mar in this olympic battle the same way

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I would transform marvin in a wrestling match.

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Leave it Just ask him who ask him

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who's back in the Olympics and who's not

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in the Olympics. Okay? What's the answer that

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question, Barb? Ask him who got knocked out

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of the Olympics first and who stayed in.

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What a bunch of pools to knock out

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a sport that had been in the Olympics

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to 8 870

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70 years before Christ.

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Okay? Take that to your your Trump supporting

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evangelical and tell that you threw a sport

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out. That pre dates the man himself. See

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what they say to you.

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You're gonna get us you're gonna get us

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spanking for that.

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Wrestling. Now was that's really what was the

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big event in the Olympics.

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Yes. It was wrestling like, the 2 founding

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sports were, like, disc.

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We're, like, Ja and wrestling.

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Nearly a thousand years before Christ. Yeah. Well,

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h ancient been tap on. That was the

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actual where the end of the Olympics ended

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actually had wrestling as a subs support of

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our sport. So

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So III said, Billy a picture on the

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wall. I have a thing from Greece that

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the the Grease Olympic team gave me and

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it it has the 5 ancient sports of...

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Then ancient pent.

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And there's wrestling, you know, 1 of the

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5,

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just for others. And Can peed if you

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didn't have a million dollar pony.

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And his campaign flute and a pistol and

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an ascot. How did you added did that

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work back then? What was Well, what how

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did you compete in that sport back then?

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His force says tally h.

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If I what's the yeah

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How did you billy get involved with the

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documentary

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Americans with no address and the film?

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No address. I imagine it immediately spoke to

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your activism side.

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Had explain how you got drawn into that.

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Well, it's just the the basic, you know,

436
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I got a call from my agent, I

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was offered the film

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very quick turnaround. And they needed me on

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a plane in, like, 3 days. And then

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when I got on the set, I sort

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of you know, ing negotiated my way into

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deeper involvement in the project. The documentary, I

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don't think was originally intended

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to be

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honest, truthful accurate and authentic. They went to

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20 cities at 18 states conducted several hundred

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interviews. They had thousands of hours of footage

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that's spun off the dock, which we now

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have called Americans would no address. They then

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asked me to do the voice over Ford

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which I in.

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I've seen it now 3 or to 4

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times it looks great.

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And we're just trying to raise awareness into,

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try to focus attention on this issue,

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but it happened through the normal the normal

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casting process that I think because

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I like the part, and I like this...

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III like the part. I like the script.

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I like the team. I had some problems

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with the script that I I sort of

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warned production about that we've

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addressed,

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no pun attendance hits that we thank God,

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we did

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there was and we we dealt with that.

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Yeah It was the normal casting process, and

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then they they spun off the dock. I

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did the voice over.

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And, because of my path, where I study

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politics, and I I, have worked, you know,

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a very

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you know, fairly deeply totally they became a

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dad. I worked fairly deeply in politics that

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been involved with democratic party politics. I I

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told I served on various boards and say,

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I've attended every Rn in every Dnc and

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run like a shadow convention at the Rn

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dnc since 19 92.

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I retreat... I've attended the Dnc since 19

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88 and both the Rn of the Dnc

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since 92. I've always

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enjoyed is

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maybe not the exact word, but I've always

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enjoyed working, reaching over the aisle, working in

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a bipartisan Way. We've had significant

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done significant work with Dennis Has and or

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in hatch when it comes to funding for

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the national endowment for the arts and things

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like that. So... But I... Again, I I

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have worked with Maria Cuomo organization help for

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the homeless, I've worked with Andrew when he

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was the housing secretary or Clinton, and I

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slept over homeless facilities

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in Dc, and I... Maybe Baltimore, Philly, New

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York couple times I slept over facilities with

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Andrew. And and I've been engaged, but when

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When I relocated to California,

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in 2007

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to do a a television show for Abc

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b,

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All of my political contacts

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were

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albany New york City in Washington and now

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I was living in Santa Barbara,

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and I had 3 young children, and I

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basically told everybody

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you know,

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I didn't say lose by a number, but

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I said don't call me. I'll call you.

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I said I wanna focus on

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parenting and and raising my children and supporting

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my family. Loan a whole, like, 15 years

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went by. I really enjoyed that, but I'm

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anxious and interested and excited to

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get back in the game if the plot

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us line, and that's what I mean by

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that is if I can do it effectively

519
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if you can do it efficiently if I

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could have a real impact and it's

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it's... I'm not I'm not howling into the...

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The boyd know I'm not screaming into a

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hurricane, you know? Yeah. Yeah into the void.

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You know? I watched the documentary

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in cal n la and with all of

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you.

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And it's quite moving.

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And the the beauty of this film to

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me of this documentary

530
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is that

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it doesn't feel gratuitous. Yeah. It felt like

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you all really... And and for the listeners,

533
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basically, they went to impairments they went to,

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various,

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shelters

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and community outreach programs and really

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really on the ground.

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And getting to know people talking to people

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who are un unharmed,

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and

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it was really beautifully

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done.

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Well, thank you.

544
00:19:54,658 --> 00:19:56,332
Yeah. The other thing that I think is

545
00:19:56,332 --> 00:19:58,645
really said in this documentary is this could

546
00:19:58,645 --> 00:20:01,516
happen to anyone. And it's not that many

547
00:20:01,516 --> 00:20:04,267
steps in order to find yourself in that

548
00:20:04,566 --> 00:20:06,723
situation. And I think there's AAA

549
00:20:06,723 --> 00:20:08,560
fear and a distance that happens in the

550
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:09,060
human

551
00:20:09,533 --> 00:20:10,033
psyche

552
00:20:10,568 --> 00:20:12,796
that says, oh, if I engage this or

553
00:20:12,796 --> 00:20:14,309
if I think about this or if I

554
00:20:14,309 --> 00:20:14,945
look at this,

555
00:20:15,980 --> 00:20:18,209
I'm looking at the potential of myself, and

556
00:20:18,209 --> 00:20:20,937
it really shuts people off. So I think

557
00:20:20,937 --> 00:20:21,437
that

558
00:20:21,816 --> 00:20:23,972
the fact that you all were really there

559
00:20:23,972 --> 00:20:25,990
and in it and talking to people

560
00:20:26,304 --> 00:20:27,262
is so wonderful.

561
00:20:27,820 --> 00:20:29,656
How did it shape you as you went

562
00:20:29,656 --> 00:20:30,635
through that process?

563
00:20:31,332 --> 00:20:33,885
Well, 1 of the things what's so cool

564
00:20:33,885 --> 00:20:36,852
about Billy, literally, the first day before... Well,

565
00:20:37,011 --> 00:20:38,925
I guess it was... We were set to

566
00:20:39,404 --> 00:20:40,521
shoot on Monday.

567
00:20:41,079 --> 00:20:43,631
And when everybody came, not everybody, but but

568
00:20:43,631 --> 00:20:45,798
about half to cast came in on Saturday

569
00:20:45,798 --> 00:20:47,073
a couple days in advance.

570
00:20:47,869 --> 00:20:49,941
And we spent the first couple days just

571
00:20:49,941 --> 00:20:52,570
touring homeless en cabinets, and we were shooting

572
00:20:52,570 --> 00:20:53,309
in Sacramento

573
00:20:54,178 --> 00:20:57,442
And at that time, the largest longest en

574
00:20:57,442 --> 00:20:58,579
camp in America

575
00:20:59,273 --> 00:21:01,525
was was actually in Sacramento.

576
00:21:02,234 --> 00:21:03,823
So we spent a lot of time there

577
00:21:03,823 --> 00:21:05,413
and in some other enhancements.

578
00:21:06,049 --> 00:21:08,354
And and and I always remember, Billy, the...

579
00:21:08,751 --> 00:21:10,420
And it's funny because Billy and I have

580
00:21:10,420 --> 00:21:10,920
literally

581
00:21:11,706 --> 00:21:13,927
gone against each other in sport. We've been

582
00:21:13,927 --> 00:21:17,180
at the same meetings. We that we've been,

583
00:21:17,338 --> 00:21:19,424
you know, over 40 years just

584
00:21:19,733 --> 00:21:21,875
in and out on different side, never on

585
00:21:21,875 --> 00:21:22,748
the same side.

586
00:21:23,304 --> 00:21:24,732
And Billy came over to me and said,

587
00:21:25,208 --> 00:21:27,761
if we're just doing this for a, sort

588
00:21:27,761 --> 00:21:28,974
of a 2 fruity

589
00:21:29,345 --> 00:21:32,990
drive by as, you know, picture that's un

590
00:21:32,990 --> 00:21:33,490
meaningful.

591
00:21:34,354 --> 00:21:36,431
I don't wanna be involved. Yeah. Start off.

592
00:21:37,150 --> 00:21:39,887
But if if this is a serious effort,

593
00:21:40,666 --> 00:21:43,000
I'm all in. And then he goes. So

594
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,640
what's buster? I mean, you know, and and

595
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,599
and, literally, that's our first 30 minutes together.

596
00:21:49,174 --> 00:21:51,575
And in 2 hours later, Billy and I

597
00:21:51,575 --> 00:21:54,134
had sort of escaped our security team in

598
00:21:54,134 --> 00:21:56,954
the film, we've gone way to an end

599
00:21:57,269 --> 00:22:00,721
and come into this couple who invited us

600
00:22:00,939 --> 00:22:03,013
breakfast at, you know, 10:30 in the morning

601
00:22:03,013 --> 00:22:03,811
on a Saturday.

602
00:22:04,464 --> 00:22:06,781
And that was when Billie and I, and

603
00:22:06,781 --> 00:22:09,257
ended... We started communicating through just Eye looks.

604
00:22:09,577 --> 00:22:10,876
That was when we realized

605
00:22:11,509 --> 00:22:13,743
this is... We had something different going on

606
00:22:13,743 --> 00:22:15,817
here, and we just... Even though we disagree

607
00:22:15,817 --> 00:22:18,051
in so many different other areas,

608
00:22:18,704 --> 00:22:20,861
we actually find a lot of common ground

609
00:22:20,861 --> 00:22:21,820
in most areas.

610
00:22:22,299 --> 00:22:24,536
And and that if you get wet rave

611
00:22:24,536 --> 00:22:25,415
sort of the fringe,

612
00:22:25,988 --> 00:22:28,610
that we could start working together and so

613
00:22:28,610 --> 00:22:30,755
little of that's happening in the country now.

614
00:22:31,390 --> 00:22:32,662
And so, hopefully,

615
00:22:33,074 --> 00:22:34,988
you know, we can show, you know, here

616
00:22:34,988 --> 00:22:38,099
we are working together very bar apart in

617
00:22:38,099 --> 00:22:40,673
a lot of ways, but we're finding ways

618
00:22:40,731 --> 00:22:43,700
to agree. We're finding common ground. Well, there

619
00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:45,799
isn't really a political...

620
00:22:46,419 --> 00:22:48,679
It's a human problem. It's a

621
00:22:48,980 --> 00:22:50,980
it's a human issue. It's not a right

622
00:22:50,980 --> 00:22:53,152
or left or up or down. And I

623
00:22:53,152 --> 00:22:56,094
think that unfortunately, politics tries to make it

624
00:22:56,094 --> 00:22:58,741
1 or the other and the human beings

625
00:22:58,957 --> 00:23:01,079
get lost in that fight because then it's

626
00:23:01,199 --> 00:23:02,955
stops being about them, and it's all about

627
00:23:02,955 --> 00:23:05,909
the fight appear. We talked about this today

628
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:06,627
at breakfast.

629
00:23:07,026 --> 00:23:09,421
On 1 side, there's a group who doesn't

630
00:23:09,421 --> 00:23:11,192
wanna fund this. You know, and some of

631
00:23:11,192 --> 00:23:11,910
the extremist,

632
00:23:12,629 --> 00:23:15,182
maybe within my side of the aisle. At

633
00:23:15,182 --> 00:23:17,258
times have said, we don't need to fund

634
00:23:17,258 --> 00:23:19,425
this. They just chose to be come homeless

635
00:23:19,425 --> 00:23:21,175
so why are we... But why are we

636
00:23:21,175 --> 00:23:23,959
gonna fund it? Well, in the reality is

637
00:23:23,959 --> 00:23:26,542
most of the time, nobody chose to become

638
00:23:26,677 --> 00:23:27,734
experiencing homelessness.

639
00:23:28,505 --> 00:23:30,651
And if we don't spend money now, it's

640
00:23:30,651 --> 00:23:33,353
gonna be way more expensive later in in

641
00:23:33,353 --> 00:23:37,192
terms of Ems fire, police, hospitals, emergency rooms,

642
00:23:37,512 --> 00:23:38,490
loss of downtown.

643
00:23:39,347 --> 00:23:41,341
And then on on the other side of

644
00:23:41,341 --> 00:23:43,835
the aisle, Billy side of the aisle. He

645
00:23:43,835 --> 00:23:46,955
has some people to his extreme that do

646
00:23:46,955 --> 00:23:49,650
not wanna have treatment. Do not wanna have

647
00:23:49,769 --> 00:23:52,386
sort of accountability and programming. And and what

648
00:23:52,545 --> 00:23:54,845
I know with meta physical certainty after doing

649
00:23:54,845 --> 00:23:55,797
this a long time.

650
00:23:56,431 --> 00:23:57,645
You don't get recovery

651
00:23:58,034 --> 00:24:00,271
hanging out on a bench or under a

652
00:24:00,271 --> 00:24:01,870
bench or on a beach or in a

653
00:24:01,870 --> 00:24:02,429
cold d sac.

654
00:24:03,228 --> 00:24:05,625
Likewise, you don't, get recovery in jail cell

655
00:24:05,625 --> 00:24:08,273
floor. You don't get... You don't get recovery

656
00:24:08,273 --> 00:24:10,426
by being arrested, but you don't get recovery

657
00:24:10,426 --> 00:24:12,660
just hanging out on a street either. And

658
00:24:12,819 --> 00:24:15,212
Billy and I've been now in multiple states

659
00:24:15,212 --> 00:24:18,338
and multiple cat. We saw 1AA week ago

660
00:24:18,338 --> 00:24:19,933
or so a couple weeks ago, I guess,

661
00:24:20,571 --> 00:24:22,485
up in Seattle of a person who was

662
00:24:22,485 --> 00:24:24,798
dying right in front of us. And everybody

663
00:24:24,798 --> 00:24:27,128
was trying to get this guy treatment. And,

664
00:24:27,368 --> 00:24:29,606
you know, Billy, maybe you wanna share that

665
00:24:29,606 --> 00:24:30,885
story because that... That's...

666
00:24:31,684 --> 00:24:33,922
Anybody who saw that story would come to

667
00:24:33,922 --> 00:24:34,821
the conclusion

668
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:35,860
that

669
00:24:36,253 --> 00:24:39,278
Our system now, our legal system in particular

670
00:24:39,278 --> 00:24:41,506
is totally completely broke.

671
00:24:42,063 --> 00:24:44,769
Yeah. I think, you know, what market is

672
00:24:44,769 --> 00:24:45,779
saying is that

673
00:24:46,375 --> 00:24:48,678
I I just will just a little bit

674
00:24:48,678 --> 00:24:49,551
of what He just said,

675
00:24:50,266 --> 00:24:52,592
you know, the the right is hesitant to

676
00:24:52,648 --> 00:24:54,816
pun. The left is hesitant to

677
00:24:55,364 --> 00:24:57,835
force it not enforce it, but to force

678
00:24:57,835 --> 00:25:00,546
it. I believe it needs the funding, it'll

679
00:25:00,546 --> 00:25:02,618
be cheaper to address it, then it'll it'll

680
00:25:02,618 --> 00:25:03,597
be far more

681
00:25:04,225 --> 00:25:06,448
costly, if we don't spend the money. We

682
00:25:06,448 --> 00:25:09,226
need money primarily in mental health care. There

683
00:25:09,226 --> 00:25:10,599
was 500000

684
00:25:10,733 --> 00:25:13,532
national beds in the 19 fifties. There's less

685
00:25:13,532 --> 00:25:14,588
than 20000

686
00:25:14,645 --> 00:25:17,350
today. This is not an epidemic or a

687
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:20,625
crisis of of homelessness it's a crisis of

688
00:25:20,625 --> 00:25:23,329
mental health. It's also less of of a

689
00:25:23,329 --> 00:25:25,317
crisis of a drug addiction, than people think

690
00:25:25,317 --> 00:25:27,240
people think that's the choice. But that's,

691
00:25:27,955 --> 00:25:30,736
untreated mental health problems, people that have anxiety

692
00:25:30,736 --> 00:25:33,277
that have depression of bipolar that have schizophrenia,

693
00:25:33,516 --> 00:25:35,184
don't have health care. They're not seeing a

694
00:25:35,184 --> 00:25:37,583
psychologist or a psychiatrists not getting prescribed the

695
00:25:37,583 --> 00:25:40,527
proper medication. So they're self medic with street

696
00:25:40,527 --> 00:25:41,504
drugs, meth

697
00:25:41,958 --> 00:25:42,458
but

698
00:25:42,833 --> 00:25:43,072
alcohol,

699
00:25:43,804 --> 00:25:46,356
of course, a heroin and and primarily fentanyl

700
00:25:46,356 --> 00:25:49,148
now, and that's medic a mental health problem.

701
00:25:49,307 --> 00:25:49,807
So

702
00:25:50,184 --> 00:25:51,780
part of... A big, big part of it

703
00:25:51,780 --> 00:25:53,136
is mental health and a big, big, part

704
00:25:53,136 --> 00:25:55,486
of the addiction problem is mental health. So

705
00:25:55,625 --> 00:25:57,541
we have to get the medical health care

706
00:25:57,541 --> 00:25:58,738
funds back in place.

707
00:25:59,377 --> 00:26:01,532
And on my side, the 2 things that

708
00:26:01,692 --> 00:26:04,181
I think Marvin is Jesse, which I agree

709
00:26:04,181 --> 00:26:07,531
with is that this harm reduction policy where

710
00:26:07,531 --> 00:26:09,148
you're allowing people to

711
00:26:09,765 --> 00:26:12,014
give them pipes you're giving them needles and

712
00:26:12,014 --> 00:26:15,124
you're not require requiring them a path to

713
00:26:15,124 --> 00:26:16,640
recovery at path to sobriety,

714
00:26:17,517 --> 00:26:17,996
stability,

715
00:26:19,352 --> 00:26:19,750
independence,

716
00:26:20,164 --> 00:26:21,365
a job, you know,

717
00:26:22,244 --> 00:26:24,025
I I think there has to be

718
00:26:24,484 --> 00:26:27,285
strings attached. I think harm reduction or no

719
00:26:27,285 --> 00:26:28,105
harm policies

720
00:26:28,816 --> 00:26:30,640
are not working and need to be addressed,

721
00:26:30,957 --> 00:26:33,971
number 1. And they're incredibly expensive. Yeah. They're

722
00:26:33,971 --> 00:26:34,448
not working.

723
00:26:35,003 --> 00:26:36,455
That's not the way I would wanna

724
00:26:37,003 --> 00:26:38,061
raise my child

725
00:26:38,837 --> 00:26:40,592
is to just say, just stay in your

726
00:26:40,592 --> 00:26:42,267
bedroom and keep getting high and tell me,

727
00:26:42,347 --> 00:26:43,862
you know, come out when you wanna eat

728
00:26:43,862 --> 00:26:45,399
and come out when you wanna have a

729
00:26:45,457 --> 00:26:45,856
conversation. Yeah.

730
00:26:46,509 --> 00:26:48,180
So, you know, I I think... I I

731
00:26:48,180 --> 00:26:50,091
don't know enough about it. So speaking from...

732
00:26:50,489 --> 00:26:52,241
This is the actor talking not the expert

733
00:26:52,241 --> 00:26:53,992
in the field, but I've learned a lot

734
00:26:53,992 --> 00:26:54,231
about it.

735
00:26:55,125 --> 00:26:56,884
Over the last 2 years that have been

736
00:26:56,884 --> 00:26:57,605
involved with this film.

737
00:26:58,164 --> 00:27:00,964
And harm reduction is is not working,

738
00:27:01,365 --> 00:27:03,775
but also, I... And this is pretty radical

739
00:27:03,775 --> 00:27:06,005
for someone like me to say, But I

740
00:27:06,005 --> 00:27:07,301
don't think that

741
00:27:08,314 --> 00:27:09,611
I don't I'm not... I've done

742
00:27:10,066 --> 00:27:11,022
ships over people.

743
00:27:11,754 --> 00:27:13,193
And I'm not sure if the... If if

744
00:27:13,193 --> 00:27:15,531
it's a 51 50, I'm talking about, but

745
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:17,907
we saw a guy overdo on the street,

746
00:27:18,147 --> 00:27:20,145
22 year old kid his name at blessing,

747
00:27:20,305 --> 00:27:22,074
he would his foaming at the mouth.

748
00:27:22,871 --> 00:27:26,138
And we had fire department police department, several,

749
00:27:26,617 --> 00:27:29,581
people from non nonprofit organizations. And they barely

750
00:27:29,581 --> 00:27:31,039
got him coherent enough

751
00:27:31,735 --> 00:27:33,250
for him to simply... Out of the words,

752
00:27:34,048 --> 00:27:35,027
I decline

753
00:27:35,404 --> 00:27:37,159
treatment. Like, I don't wanna be taken away

754
00:27:37,159 --> 00:27:38,769
on the stretcher by the fire department any

755
00:27:38,769 --> 00:27:40,445
of the emergency. And the primary reason he

756
00:27:40,445 --> 00:27:42,200
was saying that, and I didn't realize it

757
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,557
at the time the fire department of the

758
00:27:43,637 --> 00:27:45,951
Cops and marvin in the nonprofit were role

759
00:27:45,951 --> 00:27:47,873
telling me is because when they give him

760
00:27:47,953 --> 00:27:50,254
Na, he won't be high anymore and the

761
00:27:50,254 --> 00:27:53,428
way he'll heal when he's not high, is

762
00:27:53,428 --> 00:27:55,039
so terrifying to him

763
00:27:55,348 --> 00:27:57,576
That's why he was rejecting treatment. I don't

764
00:27:57,576 --> 00:27:59,407
think it should be a judge in a

765
00:27:59,407 --> 00:27:59,907
courtroom

766
00:28:00,362 --> 00:28:02,351
3 weeks later making the decision. I think

767
00:28:02,351 --> 00:28:03,885
if you have a cop of fire

768
00:28:04,674 --> 00:28:08,024
first responder, a paramedic a social worker. And

769
00:28:08,024 --> 00:28:10,018
any 2 of those people say, take them,

770
00:28:10,815 --> 00:28:12,730
then she should be put into a 72

771
00:28:12,730 --> 00:28:15,397
hour locked in possibly. Again, as well

772
00:28:15,773 --> 00:28:18,480
and let this person make a decision on

773
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,537
his future

774
00:28:20,391 --> 00:28:22,381
is future regarding all of it.

775
00:28:23,271 --> 00:28:23,510
Addiction,

776
00:28:24,147 --> 00:28:24,647
homelessness,

777
00:28:25,659 --> 00:28:27,648
all of it. A job, education and all

778
00:28:27,648 --> 00:28:29,319
of. Because it's all... If you if you

779
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:31,166
agree to the treatment, you're on a path

780
00:28:31,166 --> 00:28:32,762
to recovery. You're you're on a path back

781
00:28:32,762 --> 00:28:34,059
to independence. So

782
00:28:34,437 --> 00:28:36,612
I don't know if this should be a

783
00:28:36,670 --> 00:28:38,505
situation where you go in with lawyers and

784
00:28:38,505 --> 00:28:40,674
a judge the decides if I think if

785
00:28:40,674 --> 00:28:42,674
you have a social worker and a fire

786
00:28:42,674 --> 00:28:43,955
and a paramedic, and they say,

787
00:28:44,755 --> 00:28:46,275
because the the term when I've done a

788
00:28:46,275 --> 00:28:48,286
cons entrepreneurship is, if they are a threat

789
00:28:48,286 --> 00:28:50,200
of a harm to themselves or others or

790
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,114
they are a harm to themselves or others,

791
00:28:53,310 --> 00:28:55,623
then you have the right you could take

792
00:28:55,623 --> 00:28:56,340
their rights away.

793
00:28:56,912 --> 00:28:58,605
Clearly this kid blessing

794
00:28:58,980 --> 00:29:02,001
was clearly not only a potential... He he

795
00:29:02,001 --> 00:29:03,909
was harming himself. He was not a potential

796
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:06,400
harm himself. He was harming himself and he

797
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,880
was clearly a potential harm to others. I'm

798
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,039
not doing it to cleaning up the sidewalks

799
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:12,320
in front of the Nike store in front

800
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,803
of Starbucks so they you know, the the

801
00:29:14,803 --> 00:29:16,707
patrons don't have to be bothered stepping over

802
00:29:16,707 --> 00:29:17,579
them when they come in and out of

803
00:29:17,579 --> 00:29:18,769
the door. I could care less about that.

804
00:29:19,166 --> 00:29:21,570
I care about the life and and

805
00:29:21,879 --> 00:29:24,031
to a health and well being of this

806
00:29:24,031 --> 00:29:24,429
person,

807
00:29:25,067 --> 00:29:25,567
and

808
00:29:26,262 --> 00:29:27,617
he was not in a position to make

809
00:29:27,617 --> 00:29:29,371
that decision for himself. He was not.

810
00:29:30,023 --> 00:29:31,614
He was not a clear in my... Oh.

811
00:29:31,773 --> 00:29:33,069
I mean, I've seen people

812
00:29:33,444 --> 00:29:35,694
high on booze. I seen people high on

813
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:37,979
on on cocaine. And I seen people high

814
00:29:37,979 --> 00:29:39,585
on heroin when I see people hire at

815
00:29:39,585 --> 00:29:39,903
oxy,

816
00:29:40,937 --> 00:29:43,483
fentanyl is a totally different ball wax. It's

817
00:29:43,483 --> 00:29:45,335
a totally to kick all of that together

818
00:29:45,551 --> 00:29:45,845
and

819
00:29:46,439 --> 00:29:47,706
multiply it by 10, and that's what you're

820
00:29:47,706 --> 00:29:48,974
dealing with. These people who are not in

821
00:29:48,974 --> 00:29:51,985
a position to know how to make a

822
00:29:51,985 --> 00:29:52,485
reasons

823
00:29:53,428 --> 00:29:55,814
judgments on that. So I wouldn't mind putting

824
00:29:55,814 --> 00:29:58,042
it in the hands of people that are

825
00:29:58,042 --> 00:29:59,713
experts in the field more so than any

826
00:29:59,713 --> 00:30:00,213
judge

827
00:30:00,924 --> 00:30:03,484
a social worker on the streets, fire, a

828
00:30:03,484 --> 00:30:04,284
paramedic account.

829
00:30:05,325 --> 00:30:07,325
Instead, they left him there the cops walked

830
00:30:07,325 --> 00:30:09,099
by and said this is This is what

831
00:30:09,099 --> 00:30:10,457
we do. This is that we're this that

832
00:30:10,457 --> 00:30:12,215
we're dealing with. You know? It it was

833
00:30:12,215 --> 00:30:15,192
the most amazing thing how society

834
00:30:15,571 --> 00:30:17,664
showed up for blessing. I mean, if you

835
00:30:17,664 --> 00:30:19,602
think of it as sort of a societal

836
00:30:20,381 --> 00:30:22,878
response. We had 4 firefighters,

837
00:30:23,337 --> 00:30:25,095
3 of who were Ems trained,

838
00:30:25,747 --> 00:30:26,962
We had 2

839
00:30:27,575 --> 00:30:28,926
county sheriff there.

840
00:30:29,562 --> 00:30:31,334
We had 3 different

841
00:30:32,344 --> 00:30:32,844
Seattle

842
00:30:33,154 --> 00:30:33,654
city

843
00:30:34,109 --> 00:30:37,053
agencies that had multiple people there. There was

844
00:30:37,053 --> 00:30:39,838
a non profit group that had 4 people

845
00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:40,156
there,

846
00:30:40,713 --> 00:30:43,198
plus she had billy and I every 1

847
00:30:43,198 --> 00:30:46,554
of us thought this guy needs help now.

848
00:30:47,113 --> 00:30:49,190
Because he may not be alive as we

849
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:51,765
take this. He may not be with us

850
00:30:51,765 --> 00:30:54,644
anymore. He was that far gone. And he's

851
00:30:54,644 --> 00:30:57,625
the 1 person on that street corner

852
00:30:58,097 --> 00:30:59,393
who was the least

853
00:31:00,165 --> 00:31:02,733
had the least ability to make a coherent

854
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:05,994
decision, but the way our laws are written

855
00:31:06,544 --> 00:31:08,542
that you basically are giving it to a

856
00:31:08,542 --> 00:31:11,658
judge 3 weeks later rather than the people

857
00:31:11,658 --> 00:31:12,458
on the spot.

858
00:31:13,097 --> 00:31:15,929
And and maybe and I get there were

859
00:31:15,987 --> 00:31:17,983
were bad things done in the past. But

860
00:31:17,983 --> 00:31:19,500
that doesn't mean you throw throughout the whole

861
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:22,932
program. We had a situation where, again, 1

862
00:31:22,932 --> 00:31:25,279
side of the aisle, didn't wanna a fundamental

863
00:31:25,495 --> 00:31:27,880
health. And then the other extreme on the

864
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,469
mental health. And then almost by the way

865
00:31:29,469 --> 00:31:31,457
it breaks in the same political groups we

866
00:31:31,457 --> 00:31:33,047
have here who are watching 1 of flu

867
00:31:33,047 --> 00:31:35,312
of K nest thought it was a documentary

868
00:31:35,846 --> 00:31:37,778
and moved into the institutional.

869
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:41,352
And so you had this really strange and

870
00:31:41,352 --> 00:31:44,383
holy alliance. Those are the Reagan years. Yeah.

871
00:31:44,702 --> 00:31:47,573
Yeah. Yeah. Of people trying to un fund

872
00:31:47,573 --> 00:31:49,110
on 1 side in

873
00:31:49,487 --> 00:31:50,420
institutional on the other

874
00:31:50,935 --> 00:31:53,632
And you wonder... Well, why do we now

875
00:31:53,632 --> 00:31:55,615
have more people in jail than ever before?

876
00:31:55,853 --> 00:31:57,201
Why do we have more people on the

877
00:31:57,201 --> 00:31:59,758
street than ever before? And when you take

878
00:31:59,758 --> 00:32:02,781
away treatment from the equation, and then you

879
00:32:02,781 --> 00:32:05,031
add something so powerful as fentanyl,

880
00:32:05,739 --> 00:32:08,133
it... I'm not surprised at all. What's happened

881
00:32:08,133 --> 00:32:11,245
at Downtown, Portland, Downtown, Seattle, that's, you know,

882
00:32:11,404 --> 00:32:13,968
San Francisco, and my book is almost the

883
00:32:13,968 --> 00:32:16,346
lost city. And I know others may differ,

884
00:32:16,584 --> 00:32:19,120
but and unless we make some radical changes,

885
00:32:19,437 --> 00:32:20,650
we're we're just gonna

886
00:32:20,959 --> 00:32:23,196
it's gonna be not getting those city better.

887
00:32:23,356 --> 00:32:25,913
It's gonna be now Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas,

888
00:32:26,712 --> 00:32:28,790
New Orleans are gonna become just like those

889
00:32:28,790 --> 00:32:31,270
cities Yeah. The the thing that really struck

890
00:32:31,270 --> 00:32:33,734
me to is that it's not like there

891
00:32:33,734 --> 00:32:36,676
aren't programs that do work. The San Antonio

892
00:32:36,676 --> 00:32:38,845
to district where 70 percent of the of

893
00:32:38,845 --> 00:32:41,021
the people that are were experiencing homelessness

894
00:32:41,479 --> 00:32:44,512
was eradicated and they got their life back

895
00:32:44,512 --> 00:32:47,314
together, and that you have shown in this

896
00:32:47,314 --> 00:32:49,222
documentary and by going from town to town

897
00:32:49,222 --> 00:32:52,164
that the public citizens who step up in

898
00:32:52,164 --> 00:32:53,538
the churches and

899
00:32:54,007 --> 00:32:55,915
the people that say no we can make

900
00:32:55,915 --> 00:32:58,220
a difference, and then they do make a

901
00:32:58,220 --> 00:33:01,955
difference. I don't understand the disconnect, and that's

902
00:33:01,955 --> 00:33:02,455
maybe

903
00:33:03,162 --> 00:33:05,622
maybe I'm being po about how the government

904
00:33:05,622 --> 00:33:07,129
works, but it seems like if I'm in

905
00:33:07,129 --> 00:33:09,509
the government and I say, oh, here are

906
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:10,247
these cities

907
00:33:10,620 --> 00:33:11,120
that

908
00:33:11,827 --> 00:33:14,695
they have programs running by private citizens and

909
00:33:14,695 --> 00:33:16,687
privately funded and non profits,

910
00:33:17,563 --> 00:33:19,807
that it works why am I not looking

911
00:33:19,807 --> 00:33:22,513
at that as the model for the whole

912
00:33:22,513 --> 00:33:25,059
country? Yeah. That should be replicated across the

913
00:33:25,059 --> 00:33:27,938
country. Should be federal state, local government it

914
00:33:27,938 --> 00:33:30,420
should be profits. It should be faith based

915
00:33:30,634 --> 00:33:32,537
organizations, and it should be Corporate America, we

916
00:33:32,537 --> 00:33:34,996
can go in and replicate this. A significant

917
00:33:34,996 --> 00:33:37,245
amount of homeless this takes place in counties

918
00:33:37,245 --> 00:33:37,904
where there's

919
00:33:38,205 --> 00:33:38,945
800

920
00:33:39,085 --> 00:33:41,164
a thousand 1200 people in the county that

921
00:33:41,164 --> 00:33:41,644
are homeless,

922
00:33:42,205 --> 00:33:43,184
And you could probably

923
00:33:43,485 --> 00:33:43,985
have

924
00:33:44,616 --> 00:33:46,206
strike teams go when they're and implement these

925
00:33:46,206 --> 00:33:48,297
programs and and and reduce that

926
00:33:49,069 --> 00:33:51,455
fair like, Marvin has done, you know, 70

927
00:33:51,455 --> 00:33:52,384
80 percent

928
00:33:52,743 --> 00:33:54,417
in these in these areas where it's a

929
00:33:54,417 --> 00:33:55,476
little bit more manageable

930
00:33:56,012 --> 00:33:57,628
rather than going into

931
00:33:58,005 --> 00:34:00,237
a, Sacramento where it went from 2 or

932
00:34:00,237 --> 00:34:02,587
3000 to 12 or 14000

933
00:34:02,965 --> 00:34:04,801
over the last 5 years. You know, I

934
00:34:04,801 --> 00:34:06,797
think Covid was a major contributor to that.

935
00:34:06,956 --> 00:34:09,132
But, also, what's a big contributor to it

936
00:34:09,271 --> 00:34:09,771
is

937
00:34:10,563 --> 00:34:12,159
Correct me if I'm wrong, Marvin, But there's

938
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:13,756
the reason there's a homeless problem in in

939
00:34:13,916 --> 00:34:16,730
California a big problem with homelessness in California

940
00:34:16,789 --> 00:34:18,385
is because California is California.

941
00:34:18,878 --> 00:34:19,833
It's an amazing,

942
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:23,275
amazing place. Okay? We also have

943
00:34:24,206 --> 00:34:26,512
Greyhound diplomacy where they give you 300 bucks

944
00:34:26,512 --> 00:34:28,833
of the Greyhound ticket cincinnati of your ritter

945
00:34:28,992 --> 00:34:30,743
Toledo and say you wanna wake up on

946
00:34:30,743 --> 00:34:33,925
the beach in venice tomorrow with 300 bucks

947
00:34:33,925 --> 00:34:35,936
in your pocket, and they way better services

948
00:34:35,993 --> 00:34:37,836
there in in La and it's staff Cisco

949
00:34:37,836 --> 00:34:39,581
that we do here they'll provide you with

950
00:34:39,581 --> 00:34:41,563
way better services. So the reason there's showing

951
00:34:41,563 --> 00:34:44,101
homeless people in California is because the service

952
00:34:44,101 --> 00:34:47,160
in California because of our less leaning

953
00:34:48,094 --> 00:34:49,471
bleeding heart liberal tendencies

954
00:34:49,927 --> 00:34:51,840
is to... Is to look out and take

955
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,250
care of these people when we provide maze

956
00:34:53,449 --> 00:34:55,281
services and that's part of why the people

957
00:34:55,281 --> 00:34:55,519
come.

958
00:34:56,157 --> 00:34:57,272
California is amazing.

959
00:34:57,750 --> 00:35:01,016
There's there's Greyhound diplomacy, and the services are

960
00:35:01,016 --> 00:35:02,130
better than, you know,

961
00:35:03,102 --> 00:35:05,173
probably better than anywhere in the country. There's

962
00:35:05,173 --> 00:35:07,267
other states that have good services but California's

963
00:35:07,404 --> 00:35:09,795
are probably the best. Most comprehensive. And I'd

964
00:35:09,795 --> 00:35:12,106
add 1 thing there, California also has the

965
00:35:12,106 --> 00:35:13,498
lease to about accountability

966
00:35:13,954 --> 00:35:16,130
for an individual. They don't require

967
00:35:16,906 --> 00:35:18,980
treatment. They don't require you to go meet

968
00:35:18,980 --> 00:35:21,053
with the case manager. That that more than

969
00:35:21,053 --> 00:35:23,003
any other state, it's the most

970
00:35:23,375 --> 00:35:23,875
liberal,

971
00:35:24,724 --> 00:35:27,104
we give you all this stuff, and there's

972
00:35:27,104 --> 00:35:29,380
no strings. We give all this stuff. There's

973
00:35:29,579 --> 00:35:31,839
no accountability. I would even call that liberal

974
00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:34,380
to call that, like, nonsensical. But something is

975
00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:37,339
not working or something was working and now

976
00:35:37,339 --> 00:35:39,375
the numbers have dropped pre.

977
00:35:39,675 --> 00:35:41,195
Like, let's look at it, And let's... Of

978
00:35:41,195 --> 00:35:43,675
course correct. Let's tack east. Let's try something

979
00:35:43,675 --> 00:35:45,835
different with stress. I need right now, what

980
00:35:45,835 --> 00:35:47,835
you guys are doing in Arkansas. What you're

981
00:35:47,835 --> 00:35:50,409
doing in San Antonio, what you're doing in

982
00:35:50,409 --> 00:35:52,809
in Pine what the Cuomo have done in

983
00:35:52,889 --> 00:35:55,130
New York, which was easy to get consensus

984
00:35:55,130 --> 00:35:56,349
because they were specifically

985
00:35:56,650 --> 00:35:57,150
targeting

986
00:35:57,782 --> 00:35:59,846
veteran homelessness. So they were able to reduce

987
00:35:59,846 --> 00:36:00,743
veteran homelessness

988
00:36:01,275 --> 00:36:03,021
by 70, 80 percent over the course of

989
00:36:03,021 --> 00:36:05,244
a 4 or 5 year period. If we

990
00:36:05,244 --> 00:36:06,299
can go into

991
00:36:07,007 --> 00:36:09,875
suburban areas where you have 6 800 a

992
00:36:09,875 --> 00:36:11,889
thousand homeless people in suburban

993
00:36:12,584 --> 00:36:15,372
communities outside of Chicago outside of Boston outside

994
00:36:15,372 --> 00:36:17,637
of Baltimore where reduce the numbers by

995
00:36:18,091 --> 00:36:19,680
forget 70 percent 80. If we could reduce

996
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,746
the numbers by 30 or 40 percent, that's

997
00:36:21,746 --> 00:36:22,699
a great start.

998
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:26,081
A great start. If you stop the growth

999
00:36:26,378 --> 00:36:28,528
in in the West Coast. If you just

1000
00:36:28,528 --> 00:36:29,564
stop the growth,

1001
00:36:30,042 --> 00:36:32,193
that would... Most people would go, wow, look

1002
00:36:32,193 --> 00:36:34,840
at what we changed. And this problem has

1003
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,034
gotten so bad. It is a direct threat

1004
00:36:38,034 --> 00:36:40,268
to our country and many of our communities,

1005
00:36:40,428 --> 00:36:41,625
and it's only gonna get worse.

1006
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:44,828
We're now doubling, street level homeless is now

1007
00:36:44,828 --> 00:36:47,617
doubling every 5 to 6 years. And unless

1008
00:36:47,617 --> 00:36:49,552
we all, you know, man

1009
00:36:49,863 --> 00:36:52,963
battle stations. And I mean everybody, faith based

1010
00:36:52,963 --> 00:36:55,030
non nonprofit secular government,

1011
00:36:55,586 --> 00:36:57,469
state local, 1 of our

1012
00:36:57,906 --> 00:37:00,208
examples we use in our movie, which I

1013
00:37:00,208 --> 00:37:02,614
just love is John Hopkins University,

1014
00:37:03,384 --> 00:37:04,757
a secular university

1015
00:37:05,622 --> 00:37:08,326
setting up a mental health behavioral health and

1016
00:37:08,326 --> 00:37:11,665
substance use clinic inside a Christian rescue mission.

1017
00:37:12,301 --> 00:37:14,607
And if they could pull that off and

1018
00:37:14,607 --> 00:37:15,973
do so well.

1019
00:37:16,847 --> 00:37:19,152
And why should the government should be saying,

1020
00:37:19,311 --> 00:37:21,219
well, we don't like those type of programs

1021
00:37:21,219 --> 00:37:23,143
and we don't like it that way. It

1022
00:37:23,143 --> 00:37:24,896
that may not be the only way and

1023
00:37:24,896 --> 00:37:28,642
not everybody responds to to that. But if

1024
00:37:28,642 --> 00:37:31,286
you're getting that good of success, why shouldn't

1025
00:37:31,286 --> 00:37:34,011
it, we be encouraging much more of that

1026
00:37:34,306 --> 00:37:36,134
rather than saying we can't do it and

1027
00:37:36,134 --> 00:37:37,088
can't do it this way.

1028
00:37:37,724 --> 00:37:40,680
We need everybody's help now not telling people

1029
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:41,873
you can't help. Yeah.

1030
00:37:42,588 --> 00:37:44,576
Mark says, you know, a lot of people

1031
00:37:44,576 --> 00:37:46,189
who were... I wouldn't say

1032
00:37:46,563 --> 00:37:48,733
lacking and compassion maybe, but sort of des

1033
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:50,554
to this or thing people made this choice

1034
00:37:50,554 --> 00:37:52,782
in their life. We have 1300000.0

1035
00:37:52,782 --> 00:37:54,952
adults in 1500000.0

1036
00:37:55,009 --> 00:37:55,884
children in homeless.

1037
00:37:56,933 --> 00:37:58,047
1500000.0

1038
00:37:58,047 --> 00:37:59,717
children, none of them made the choice to

1039
00:37:59,717 --> 00:38:01,547
be homeless. Of the 1300000.0,

1040
00:38:01,706 --> 00:38:02,922
which the numbers are probably

1041
00:38:03,297 --> 00:38:03,670
skewed

1042
00:38:04,186 --> 00:38:06,250
lower than it it is in reality, especially

1043
00:38:06,250 --> 00:38:07,043
coming out of Covid.

1044
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:09,266
But of the 1300000.0,

1045
00:38:09,981 --> 00:38:12,284
how many of those mentally ill made that

1046
00:38:12,284 --> 00:38:14,530
choice? How many children that aged out of

1047
00:38:14,530 --> 00:38:17,244
foster care became almost made that choice? How

1048
00:38:17,244 --> 00:38:19,638
many Ptsd veterans that were not taken care

1049
00:38:19,638 --> 00:38:21,964
of made that choice? How many people that

1050
00:38:21,964 --> 00:38:23,259
are addicted to drugs

1051
00:38:23,634 --> 00:38:26,498
that are self medic a health... A mental

1052
00:38:26,498 --> 00:38:28,820
health crisis made that truth. Are there people

1053
00:38:28,820 --> 00:38:30,413
that made the choice instead... Because, you know,

1054
00:38:30,572 --> 00:38:32,085
you do go into these campus and they

1055
00:38:32,085 --> 00:38:32,403
say,

1056
00:38:32,961 --> 00:38:34,872
I don't want, I'd rather stay in the

1057
00:38:34,872 --> 00:38:36,407
camp then go to a facility

1058
00:38:36,878 --> 00:38:37,117
because,

1059
00:38:37,913 --> 00:38:39,826
I... For whatever reason, I don't feel safe.

1060
00:38:39,985 --> 00:38:41,021
Because remember of the old days, they have

1061
00:38:41,021 --> 00:38:42,853
a silly room a big open air room,

1062
00:38:43,251 --> 00:38:45,004
and they had men and women staying together

1063
00:38:45,004 --> 00:38:46,452
and the women had a child them and

1064
00:38:46,452 --> 00:38:47,563
they didn't they they didn't feel safe for

1065
00:38:47,563 --> 00:38:49,150
their child. They thought they might be attacked.

1066
00:38:49,309 --> 00:38:50,737
They thought they might be raped. So people

1067
00:38:50,737 --> 00:38:53,276
literally would choose to not get the... To

1068
00:38:53,276 --> 00:38:54,387
not be put up in a facility.

1069
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,039
That's changed now. We have we have facilities

1070
00:38:57,039 --> 00:38:58,960
that a a men's car, a women's car,

1071
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:01,679
a family card, people that are that are

1072
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:03,768
working on sobriety, people that are are in

1073
00:39:03,768 --> 00:39:06,313
the holding... In a holding pattern and hoping

1074
00:39:06,313 --> 00:39:08,938
to graduate to get into detox. If you're

1075
00:39:08,938 --> 00:39:09,630
talking about

1076
00:39:10,226 --> 00:39:12,934
1 point... Let's say rounded off to to

1077
00:39:12,934 --> 00:39:15,641
3000000 people, half of them are children,

1078
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:17,393
and the other half that are adults.

1079
00:39:18,763 --> 00:39:20,757
90 percent of them didn't make... Did not

1080
00:39:20,757 --> 00:39:22,373
make a choice. It's a huge

1081
00:39:22,751 --> 00:39:24,824
mental health crisis that needs to be addressed

1082
00:39:24,824 --> 00:39:26,339
and it's gonna be a lot cheaper to

1083
00:39:26,339 --> 00:39:27,829
address it than if we don't address it

1084
00:39:27,949 --> 00:39:29,628
you you look at what Barb talking about

1085
00:39:29,628 --> 00:39:32,585
in in terms of quality of life, the

1086
00:39:32,585 --> 00:39:35,302
impact on cost of living, real estate value,

1087
00:39:36,740 --> 00:39:36,980
restoration,

1088
00:39:37,632 --> 00:39:38,902
drug addiction crime.

1089
00:39:39,458 --> 00:39:41,761
It's just is far more expensive to not

1090
00:39:41,761 --> 00:39:43,666
give these people treatment than it is to

1091
00:39:43,666 --> 00:39:44,937
give them the treating people say how gonna

1092
00:39:44,937 --> 00:39:46,463
fund it. It's cheaper to fund it the

1093
00:39:46,463 --> 00:39:47,975
not fund, and we're paying the price right

1094
00:39:47,975 --> 00:39:50,624
now. The stop for funding the

1095
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:51,579
meth

1096
00:39:51,954 --> 00:39:52,804
type wave of

1097
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:53,740
accommodating,

1098
00:39:54,271 --> 00:39:56,889
was something like a quarter million dollars. Was

1099
00:39:56,889 --> 00:39:58,950
it a day? Am I... Was that correct?

1100
00:39:59,347 --> 00:40:01,747
Yeah. From the documentary here. That was a

1101
00:40:01,747 --> 00:40:03,365
a stat in San Francisco

1102
00:40:03,903 --> 00:40:06,697
where they're spending a over a quarter million

1103
00:40:06,697 --> 00:40:09,991
dollars a day to clean the streets up

1104
00:40:10,940 --> 00:40:14,201
not treatment, not recovery. That's just how much

1105
00:40:14,201 --> 00:40:16,826
they're paying to pick up what's going on.

1106
00:40:17,318 --> 00:40:19,228
It's crazy. That money should be going to

1107
00:40:19,228 --> 00:40:22,571
treatment and recovery, not mitigating the damage being

1108
00:40:22,571 --> 00:40:25,436
done. It's gonna be so cheaper to do

1109
00:40:25,436 --> 00:40:26,152
this right.

1110
00:40:26,883 --> 00:40:29,587
Than to spend money wasteful doing it long.

1111
00:40:29,826 --> 00:40:33,268
Mh. And we have to do some investment

1112
00:40:33,722 --> 00:40:35,153
to to get this. And in the long

1113
00:40:35,153 --> 00:40:37,474
run, it will save money. Will save money

1114
00:40:37,474 --> 00:40:39,543
if we make an investment, and it will

1115
00:40:39,543 --> 00:40:42,588
save money if we, course correct our policies.

1116
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:45,443
I like the way Billy says that. You

1117
00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:47,270
know, some of what we're doing is working.

1118
00:40:47,429 --> 00:40:49,414
We know how to do this right around

1119
00:40:49,414 --> 00:40:51,717
the country. Clearly, that's the back half of

1120
00:40:51,717 --> 00:40:53,250
the movie is to show

1121
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,492
places that have had huge

1122
00:40:56,264 --> 00:40:56,764
reductions

1123
00:40:57,219 --> 00:41:00,186
and sustained it, but they don't buy in

1124
00:41:00,561 --> 00:41:03,042
crazy on either side to be honest, most

1125
00:41:03,042 --> 00:41:05,032
of it is common sense, middle,

1126
00:41:05,590 --> 00:41:07,443
you know, the way you would want to

1127
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:10,047
to work with your family members in many

1128
00:41:10,047 --> 00:41:12,527
ways. That's why I was saying after I

1129
00:41:12,527 --> 00:41:13,959
walked out of the... You know, I left

1130
00:41:13,959 --> 00:41:16,264
the movie. I was really moved by it

1131
00:41:16,264 --> 00:41:18,172
as I said, everyone... I don't I don't

1132
00:41:18,172 --> 00:41:20,295
know when it actually launches for the human

1133
00:41:20,653 --> 00:41:21,688
out there consumption,

1134
00:41:22,246 --> 00:41:24,715
but I know it's coming soon, but the

1135
00:41:24,715 --> 00:41:27,265
first thing I thought of is every single

1136
00:41:27,265 --> 00:41:28,322
person on the hill

1137
00:41:28,778 --> 00:41:30,703
all the way up so the White House

1138
00:41:30,703 --> 00:41:33,405
needs to watch this film. Yeah. Yeah. I

1139
00:41:33,405 --> 00:41:35,234
mean, 1 of my favorite parts of was

1140
00:41:35,234 --> 00:41:38,174
that housing complex at Austin, Texas where they

1141
00:41:38,174 --> 00:41:40,101
were on that 40 or 50 acres and

1142
00:41:40,101 --> 00:41:42,277
they were to expand another 50 acres, and

1143
00:41:42,336 --> 00:41:44,331
they had there's beautiful little cult sac in

1144
00:41:44,331 --> 00:41:46,565
those mobile homes all facing each other. They

1145
00:41:46,565 --> 00:41:46,645
said,

1146
00:41:47,378 --> 00:41:49,214
Strategically, there's no backdoor, like, there's a little...

1147
00:41:49,373 --> 00:41:50,491
You gotta come up with which I don't

1148
00:41:50,491 --> 00:41:52,087
know if that's an insurance like Thought hero

1149
00:41:52,087 --> 00:41:53,545
a fire hazard or enough, but

1150
00:41:54,003 --> 00:41:55,932
hopefully they have an escape rude in case

1151
00:41:55,932 --> 00:41:57,926
they can't get out the front door? The

1152
00:41:58,005 --> 00:42:00,238
Billy is putting his backdrop draft. Pat on

1153
00:42:00,238 --> 00:42:02,949
here. It is 2 months of fire academy

1154
00:42:02,949 --> 00:42:04,066
in Chicago here.

1155
00:42:04,798 --> 00:42:06,787
Yeah. I love the facility there. They were

1156
00:42:06,787 --> 00:42:09,413
all different. They didn't... They weren't all cookie

1157
00:42:09,413 --> 00:42:11,562
cutter. There were all different colors. There were

1158
00:42:11,562 --> 00:42:13,255
all different people, and there was there were

1159
00:42:13,255 --> 00:42:14,534
strings attached with accountability.

1160
00:42:14,934 --> 00:42:17,094
You can't be put in there and do

1161
00:42:17,094 --> 00:42:19,275
whatever the heck you want. There there's accountability

1162
00:42:19,335 --> 00:42:20,234
in terms of

1163
00:42:20,868 --> 00:42:23,910
conduct and behavior and that community looks

1164
00:42:24,363 --> 00:42:24,863
absolutely

1165
00:42:25,237 --> 00:42:26,984
pristine. I go to in homeless in canvas

1166
00:42:26,984 --> 00:42:28,891
and I've been going to them with Marvin

1167
00:42:28,891 --> 00:42:30,264
quite a bit. We left

1168
00:42:30,733 --> 00:42:32,980
blessing. What once she said I refused treatment

1169
00:42:33,275 --> 00:42:34,864
and the fire department looked at each other

1170
00:42:34,864 --> 00:42:35,737
and they said did you hear that and

1171
00:42:35,737 --> 00:42:37,008
hear, yeah. And they go, okay, Sorry, guys.

1172
00:42:37,167 --> 00:42:38,041
And they got on the rig and they

1173
00:42:38,041 --> 00:42:38,518
drove away.

1174
00:42:39,248 --> 00:42:42,112
We then left, and we went to various

1175
00:42:42,112 --> 00:42:45,396
other facilities and 1 place we went to

1176
00:42:46,424 --> 00:42:49,701
was on twelfth in Jackson jackson in Seattle,

1177
00:42:50,260 --> 00:42:52,098
we were in, like, a Ethanol gallery, and

1178
00:42:52,098 --> 00:42:53,696
we were hanging at with probably 30 or

1179
00:42:53,696 --> 00:42:56,683
40 people from 7 chained to 75 when

1180
00:42:56,899 --> 00:42:58,968
older guy was in a wheelchair with his

1181
00:42:58,968 --> 00:42:59,764
leg amputated.

1182
00:43:00,798 --> 00:43:02,469
And he couldn't even get across the street

1183
00:43:02,469 --> 00:43:03,981
and was falling out of his wheelchair.

1184
00:43:04,631 --> 00:43:06,534
People were doing the the classic, you know,

1185
00:43:06,772 --> 00:43:07,272
fentanyl

1186
00:43:07,882 --> 00:43:08,278
lean.

1187
00:43:08,833 --> 00:43:11,132
There just 1 very articulate, 22 years old,

1188
00:43:11,370 --> 00:43:11,870
very

1189
00:43:12,179 --> 00:43:14,914
handsome them very articulate, very intelligent guy who

1190
00:43:15,291 --> 00:43:16,967
this this kidneys needs help because this is

1191
00:43:16,967 --> 00:43:19,442
a kind of kid you could absolutely snatch

1192
00:43:19,442 --> 00:43:22,088
and save and this you did go on

1193
00:43:22,088 --> 00:43:23,045
to have like,

1194
00:43:23,842 --> 00:43:26,871
a super, very, very successful and productive.

1195
00:43:27,669 --> 00:43:29,518
Life and he could be a great outcome

1196
00:43:29,518 --> 00:43:31,432
if we could just get him away from

1197
00:43:31,432 --> 00:43:33,984
the fentanyl and proper treatments. And then we

1198
00:43:33,984 --> 00:43:35,978
went to, this other place called the White

1199
00:43:36,058 --> 00:43:37,653
House. And 1... I couldn't believe about twelfth

1200
00:43:37,653 --> 00:43:40,083
in Jackson in the White House was how

1201
00:43:40,380 --> 00:43:40,880
absolutely

1202
00:43:41,417 --> 00:43:44,129
end the the 7 mile stretch in Sacramento.

1203
00:43:44,368 --> 00:43:46,362
I just could not believe. And I think

1204
00:43:46,362 --> 00:43:48,117
that's again, a reflection of the mental health

1205
00:43:48,117 --> 00:43:49,909
component of it, but I couldn't believe

1206
00:43:50,527 --> 00:43:51,507
the filth

1207
00:43:52,126 --> 00:43:54,763
and the hoarding that was going on. 1

1208
00:43:54,763 --> 00:43:57,160
guy was repairing bicycle. So I understood why

1209
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,359
he 50 or 60 bicycle tires outside of

1210
00:44:00,359 --> 00:44:01,473
this thing that he built called the White

1211
00:44:01,632 --> 00:44:04,258
House. But mixed in with all the tires

1212
00:44:04,258 --> 00:44:07,375
was literally trash and debris and like, he

1213
00:44:07,375 --> 00:44:09,519
was collecting shopping cart of stuff and just

1214
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:10,789
dumping it in front of his own house,

1215
00:44:10,949 --> 00:44:11,449
and,

1216
00:44:11,822 --> 00:44:14,761
you know, it it just heartbreaking to see

1217
00:44:14,761 --> 00:44:15,658
and just

1218
00:44:16,604 --> 00:44:19,817
hopefully, people seeing this will will inspire and

1219
00:44:20,195 --> 00:44:22,929
and motivate people to reach out and

1220
00:44:23,307 --> 00:44:25,258
start to help them, you know. The hoarding

1221
00:44:25,315 --> 00:44:27,701
reminds me of the people that went through

1222
00:44:27,701 --> 00:44:29,054
to the great depression.

1223
00:44:29,610 --> 00:44:31,838
And for those of us with parents or

1224
00:44:31,838 --> 00:44:32,952
grandparents of that age,

1225
00:44:33,602 --> 00:44:35,268
that we see them with, you know, washing

1226
00:44:35,268 --> 00:44:37,727
their paper plates and getting things that Filling

1227
00:44:37,727 --> 00:44:39,630
their houses up with stuff because they went

1228
00:44:39,630 --> 00:44:41,510
through a period of time when they had

1229
00:44:41,947 --> 00:44:44,569
literally nothing, and I think that when the

1230
00:44:44,569 --> 00:44:47,692
cities come through, and they clean up

1231
00:44:48,145 --> 00:44:50,132
a homeless en camp en compartment,

1232
00:44:50,703 --> 00:44:51,838
They're taking away

1233
00:44:52,371 --> 00:44:53,427
literally, everything

1234
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,945
a person owns on the face of the

1235
00:44:55,945 --> 00:44:56,183
earth.

1236
00:44:56,818 --> 00:44:57,715
All of their.

1237
00:44:58,327 --> 00:44:58,486
Yeah.

1238
00:44:59,201 --> 00:44:59,519
Yeah.

1239
00:45:00,487 --> 00:45:03,190
And I think about blessing. Also, it's it's

1240
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:05,813
such a tragedy to think of I think

1241
00:45:05,813 --> 00:45:08,753
what what is that person's future? Like, maybe

1242
00:45:08,753 --> 00:45:09,071
they...

1243
00:45:09,643 --> 00:45:11,555
Have the cure for cancer. Maybe they're gonna

1244
00:45:11,555 --> 00:45:14,264
write the most beautiful son that anyone's ever

1245
00:45:14,264 --> 00:45:16,357
heard. Maybe they're going to

1246
00:45:17,066 --> 00:45:18,918
you know, have a kid that

1247
00:45:19,293 --> 00:45:21,599
figures out how to solve some other crisis,

1248
00:45:21,758 --> 00:45:24,143
but we'll never know because we lose these

1249
00:45:24,143 --> 00:45:24,643
people

1250
00:45:25,112 --> 00:45:28,371
over and over and over again. And I

1251
00:45:28,371 --> 00:45:30,755
think it does to create this how am

1252
00:45:30,914 --> 00:45:33,059
I ever going to feel good about myself

1253
00:45:33,059 --> 00:45:35,228
again or have self worth. And maybe I

1254
00:45:35,228 --> 00:45:38,025
don't deserve to have things or maybe, you

1255
00:45:38,025 --> 00:45:39,942
know, if society keeps looking at me, like,

1256
00:45:40,102 --> 00:45:41,620
I'm a piece of shit. How am I

1257
00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:44,585
supposed to feel good about myself, and that

1258
00:45:44,585 --> 00:45:45,860
all ties in as well.

1259
00:45:46,736 --> 00:45:49,387
We have to start seeing people as

1260
00:45:49,859 --> 00:45:52,487
just human being period end of story.

1261
00:45:53,125 --> 00:45:55,036
And I think 1 of the saddest thing

1262
00:45:55,036 --> 00:45:58,005
in most parts of the country today, not

1263
00:45:58,005 --> 00:46:00,585
everywhere. Not San Antonio or not pan, not

1264
00:46:01,045 --> 00:46:01,525
the

1265
00:46:01,844 --> 00:46:04,324
community First village that Billy was talking about

1266
00:46:04,324 --> 00:46:06,014
up and off and, but in most parts

1267
00:46:06,014 --> 00:46:06,809
of the country,

1268
00:46:07,605 --> 00:46:10,231
the number way you exit homeless now is

1269
00:46:10,231 --> 00:46:10,470
dying.

1270
00:46:11,663 --> 00:46:14,626
That that's what our country has gotten to

1271
00:46:14,626 --> 00:46:17,358
that you don't exit through recovery and treatment

1272
00:46:17,734 --> 00:46:20,285
in American. Most part of America you die.

1273
00:46:20,777 --> 00:46:23,956
The other crazy thing that's going on is

1274
00:46:23,956 --> 00:46:26,999
the number 1 supplier of Mental health services

1275
00:46:27,214 --> 00:46:29,614
America is occurring in jail and prisons. And

1276
00:46:29,614 --> 00:46:31,050
we all know that doesn't work.

1277
00:46:31,927 --> 00:46:33,762
I'm not saying that's good treatment. I'm not

1278
00:46:33,762 --> 00:46:36,314
saying it works well. But the fact that's

1279
00:46:36,314 --> 00:46:39,206
the number 1 location of attempted

1280
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:42,653
behavioral and mental health rather than a real

1281
00:46:43,031 --> 00:46:46,383
robust program that's good. When you think about

1282
00:46:46,383 --> 00:46:49,194
those 2 factors, just facts. I mean, this

1283
00:46:49,194 --> 00:46:50,875
is not a right wing left wing from

1284
00:46:51,034 --> 00:46:53,114
Republican Democrat. This is just fact.

1285
00:46:53,835 --> 00:46:56,174
And how could you have a society

1286
00:46:56,795 --> 00:46:57,514
that says,

1287
00:46:58,010 --> 00:47:01,050
If if people were committed shooting themselves, literally

1288
00:47:01,050 --> 00:47:03,369
with the gun on the street, if blessing

1289
00:47:03,369 --> 00:47:05,530
had a gun on a street, something would

1290
00:47:05,530 --> 00:47:06,890
have been done for that person.

1291
00:47:07,783 --> 00:47:10,575
But instead shooting in an arm or, you

1292
00:47:10,575 --> 00:47:12,967
know, smoking a straw, whatever. At with... You

1293
00:47:12,967 --> 00:47:14,244
know, he may have eaten pills, you know,

1294
00:47:14,324 --> 00:47:16,158
there 4 different ways you can take fentanyl

1295
00:47:16,158 --> 00:47:18,323
now. So... And it it 3 dollars a

1296
00:47:18,323 --> 00:47:20,708
hit now. So I don't know how he

1297
00:47:20,708 --> 00:47:21,742
personally was taking,

1298
00:47:22,378 --> 00:47:24,603
but we would do it for other things.

1299
00:47:24,762 --> 00:47:26,761
So why we're doing it now. It it's

1300
00:47:26,761 --> 00:47:29,061
just mind boggling how we've gotten to this

1301
00:47:29,061 --> 00:47:31,440
point. But the good news is there is

1302
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,867
a path to get this fixed.

1303
00:47:33,756 --> 00:47:36,462
That's clear that there are ways to make

1304
00:47:36,462 --> 00:47:37,917
a difference and to

1305
00:47:38,292 --> 00:47:40,145
start rectify this problem

1306
00:47:40,854 --> 00:47:42,932
it's been done. It's been proven. There are

1307
00:47:42,932 --> 00:47:45,489
cities that have shown it to work that

1308
00:47:45,489 --> 00:47:47,887
do it on their own. So what's your

1309
00:47:47,887 --> 00:47:49,585
next step? How are you

1310
00:47:49,978 --> 00:47:53,190
going to get people in the political

1311
00:47:54,126 --> 00:47:56,439
arena to pay attention and to step up.

1312
00:47:56,679 --> 00:47:57,875
I'm on my way to a screening in

1313
00:47:58,034 --> 00:48:00,362
Washington, Dc right now. Created to a bunch

1314
00:48:00,362 --> 00:48:02,673
of staffers so that we can do exactly

1315
00:48:02,673 --> 00:48:04,268
that raise awareness. This is how we're doing

1316
00:48:04,268 --> 00:48:06,021
it. We're rolling out the dock. We're we're

1317
00:48:06,021 --> 00:48:07,615
we're we're platforming the release of the film,

1318
00:48:07,855 --> 00:48:10,578
created And, hopefully, you know, we'll raise awareness

1319
00:48:10,578 --> 00:48:13,070
and we'll get enough attention on this to

1320
00:48:13,367 --> 00:48:15,518
try and implement what Marvin and others are

1321
00:48:15,518 --> 00:48:17,565
doing in areas of the country words work

1322
00:48:17,684 --> 00:48:20,302
thing and we'll do a couple pilot programs

1323
00:48:20,302 --> 00:48:23,555
in areas where they're not employing similar philosophies

1324
00:48:23,555 --> 00:48:24,293
and services,

1325
00:48:25,157 --> 00:48:27,461
and, you know, 1 success story at a

1326
00:48:27,461 --> 00:48:29,128
time. Mh. Well, I was at a screening,

1327
00:48:29,208 --> 00:48:30,717
and there was a gentleman there. Who was,

1328
00:48:30,796 --> 00:48:32,146
you know, used to run the city council.

1329
00:48:32,385 --> 00:48:34,228
He was a little bit. Older, probably in

1330
00:48:34,228 --> 00:48:36,772
his early to mid eighties, and he was

1331
00:48:36,772 --> 00:48:38,203
ahead of the city council. What was that

1332
00:48:38,203 --> 00:48:40,668
gentleman's name in Seattle? Doctor Marvin that was

1333
00:48:40,668 --> 00:48:42,656
the moderator for our panel in Oc seattle,

1334
00:48:43,068 --> 00:48:46,086
up at discovery institute Bruce Chapman, and he

1335
00:48:46,086 --> 00:48:48,945
was formerly on City Council. Yeah. Wonderful. Wonderful

1336
00:48:48,945 --> 00:48:50,216
guy. And at the end of this, he

1337
00:48:50,216 --> 00:48:52,043
was saying, I implore you.

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To

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00:48:53,961 --> 00:48:55,095
to call your

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00:48:55,546 --> 00:48:57,765
congressional representatives and your political leaders or write

1341
00:48:57,765 --> 00:48:59,112
them letters, and I cut them off and

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I was, no.

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00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,920
We should take this 2 to them. We

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should get a bipartisan committee

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00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:07,519
with a bunch of big, big heavy hit

1346
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:10,089
that care about this issue in the corporate

1347
00:49:10,089 --> 00:49:13,114
sector in the celebrity sector in the nonprofit

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sector, and I've had great success. I literally

1349
00:49:16,536 --> 00:49:18,820
sat down with Denny Has and Or Hatch

1350
00:49:19,579 --> 00:49:22,140
Man. Other when I had... Not I'm not

1351
00:49:22,140 --> 00:49:23,260
saying we'll do this with it. We're talking

1352
00:49:23,260 --> 00:49:25,180
about government funding of the Arts and Arts

1353
00:49:25,180 --> 00:49:26,793
advocacy and person them at writes and you,

1354
00:49:26,952 --> 00:49:29,104
I had, you know, Susan Ran and Tim

1355
00:49:29,263 --> 00:49:31,096
Robbins, Julia Roberts with me, and I had

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00:49:31,096 --> 00:49:32,689
other experts in the field. If you put

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00:49:32,689 --> 00:49:34,774
together the right team, and you target the

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00:49:34,774 --> 00:49:37,319
right people and positions of power on the

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00:49:37,319 --> 00:49:39,706
right committees, you're gonna be able to... We'll

1360
00:49:39,706 --> 00:49:41,311
be able to move this forward. We'll be

1361
00:49:41,311 --> 00:49:42,662
able to be able to move the needle

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00:49:42,662 --> 00:49:45,444
deal for sure. Amanda that. I I really

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00:49:45,444 --> 00:49:47,034
appreciate your time, both of you gentlemen.

1364
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:49,180
I don't know if you have a set

1365
00:49:49,180 --> 00:49:51,262
date yet for the doc coming out or

1366
00:49:51,262 --> 00:49:53,113
the film coming out. Is that been chosen

1367
00:49:53,407 --> 00:49:55,315
for everyone to be able to see? The

1368
00:49:55,315 --> 00:49:57,700
film's is targeting late September sometime. They haven't

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00:49:57,700 --> 00:49:59,153
locked the film yet. They're still

1370
00:49:59,463 --> 00:50:01,614
in post with music right now. They haven't

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00:50:01,614 --> 00:50:03,844
locked it. They're color correcting and stuff. So

1372
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it locks in early June and they're hoping

1373
00:50:05,835 --> 00:50:07,268
to release it in late September the doc.

1374
00:50:07,507 --> 00:50:09,590
I'm not sure Margaret. What's going on there?

1375
00:50:09,907 --> 00:50:12,847
Similar late summer, early fall. Okay. Great. And

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I'll put links on hay human podcast dot

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com. So Erwin everyone can keep track. There

1378
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:20,353
is a there's a documentary. There's the movie.

1379
00:50:20,592 --> 00:50:23,066
There's a reference guide. Is that correct? And

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a book. Yes. Stand small communities that he

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00:50:25,950 --> 00:50:27,384
got. Everyone who's listening.

1382
00:50:27,941 --> 00:50:29,773
Youtube can make a difference. You can go

1383
00:50:29,773 --> 00:50:33,373
volunteer. You can get educated on this because

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00:50:33,373 --> 00:50:35,049
it does affect you. It affects all of

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00:50:35,049 --> 00:50:38,242
us. This is this is the community of

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00:50:38,242 --> 00:50:40,737
of human life, and we need to

1387
00:50:41,209 --> 00:50:42,722
you know, lift up so that we don't

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00:50:42,722 --> 00:50:45,189
keep losing our blessings, you know? Thank you

1389
00:50:45,189 --> 00:50:46,065
guys so much.

1390
00:50:46,781 --> 00:50:47,099
Yeah.

1391
00:50:47,657 --> 00:50:50,221
The film is no address. The documentary is

1392
00:50:50,380 --> 00:50:51,736
Americans with no address And yes,

1393
00:50:53,013 --> 00:50:54,927
I suggest all of your listeners go on

1394
00:50:54,927 --> 00:50:56,602
the Internet and look at the services that

1395
00:50:56,602 --> 00:50:59,050
are being provided in their local communities and

1396
00:50:59,408 --> 00:51:01,159
go to the saliva salvation Arm, go to

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00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:03,307
the local mission and try to be a

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00:51:03,307 --> 00:51:05,297
service, try to give some time, try to

1399
00:51:05,297 --> 00:51:07,940
learn more and try to strategize with other

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00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:10,112
members of your community to help eradicate.

1401
00:51:11,046 --> 00:51:14,485
And if anybody wants for further information... No

1402
00:51:14,485 --> 00:51:16,708
address movie. You just type that in on

1403
00:51:16,708 --> 00:51:18,851
any search engine that will come up and

1404
00:51:18,851 --> 00:51:20,201
there are a lot of ways you can

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00:51:20,201 --> 00:51:21,312
click on and get involved.

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00:51:21,963 --> 00:51:23,632
And I'll put those links on hey human

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00:51:23,632 --> 00:51:26,413
podcast. Thank you for listening everybody. Thank you.

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00:51:27,049 --> 00:51:29,194
Thank you very much. Alright. Take care. Bye.

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Bye. Bye.

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Yeah

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00:51:32,633 --> 00:51:35,526
Great review and subscribe to hey human podcast

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00:51:35,664 --> 00:51:37,360
wherever you get your podcast.

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Thanks.

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Bye.