1 00:00:08,025 --> 00:00:08,565 - Hey, humans. 2 00:00:08,775 --> 00:00:10,725 How's it going? Susan Ruth here. 3 00:00:10,725 --> 00:00:12,645 Thanks for listening to another episode 4 00:00:13,105 --> 00:00:14,325 of Hey Human Podcast. 5 00:00:16,355 --> 00:00:20,365 This is episode 400, and my guest is Brian Fairchild. 6 00:00:20,895 --> 00:00:23,645 Brian is a retired CIA agent 7 00:00:23,785 --> 00:00:26,685 who held top secret clearance from the 8 00:00:26,685 --> 00:00:27,765 Department of Defense. 9 00:00:28,355 --> 00:00:30,125 He's a counter-terrorism expert. 10 00:00:30,225 --> 00:00:32,885 And during the decade, immediately following the nine 11 11 00:00:32,885 --> 00:00:37,365 attacks, Brian trained over 10,000 F-B-I-C-I-A 12 00:00:38,105 --> 00:00:40,805 and military personnel, as well as state 13 00:00:40,865 --> 00:00:43,045 and local police intelligence officers. 14 00:00:43,585 --> 00:00:45,485 He served in Kabul, Afghanistan, 15 00:00:45,485 --> 00:00:47,605 where he mentored Afghan National Police 16 00:00:47,605 --> 00:00:48,765 Intelligence officers. 17 00:00:49,555 --> 00:00:52,725 He's also the author of the Spy Thriller, the Hidden. 18 00:00:53,385 --> 00:00:56,645 We talked about dysfunction in the intelligence agencies, 19 00:00:56,905 --> 00:01:00,845 how to recruit spies, thoughts on China and more. 20 00:01:00,945 --> 00:01:02,285 It was really interesting. 21 00:01:02,665 --> 00:01:05,685 I'm so thrilled to have had a chance to talk with him. 22 00:01:06,465 --> 00:01:09,765 I'm always incredibly curious about the lives 23 00:01:10,025 --> 00:01:12,245 of people in this line of work, 24 00:01:12,305 --> 00:01:14,565 so I'm really excited for this episode. 25 00:01:15,775 --> 00:01:18,405 Check out hey human podcast.com for links. 26 00:01:18,405 --> 00:01:20,445 And to learn more about my guests in the show, 27 00:01:20,855 --> 00:01:22,485 check out Susan ruth.com. 28 00:01:22,485 --> 00:01:23,485 To learn more about me 29 00:01:23,545 --> 00:01:26,805 and my other artistic endeavors, follow Susan Ruth 30 00:01:27,225 --> 00:01:29,365 and hey, human podcast on social media. 31 00:01:29,915 --> 00:01:33,445 Find my albums on Spotify, apple Music, Amazon music, 32 00:01:33,465 --> 00:01:35,125 or wherever you get your music. 33 00:01:35,615 --> 00:01:37,325 Write, review, and subscribe to. 34 00:01:37,385 --> 00:01:39,325 Hey, human podcast on iTunes 35 00:01:39,385 --> 00:01:41,445 or wherever you get your podcasts. 36 00:01:41,535 --> 00:01:46,045 Thank you for listening. Be well, be kind, be love. 37 00:01:46,225 --> 00:01:47,445 And here we go. 38 00:01:49,315 --> 00:01:51,405 Ryan Fairchild, welcome to Hey, human. 39 00:01:52,975 --> 00:01:55,165 - Thank you very much. It's, it's a pleasure to be here 40 00:01:55,425 --> 00:01:56,445 and an honor to meet you. 41 00:01:57,075 --> 00:01:58,405 - It's great to meet you as well. 42 00:01:58,745 --> 00:02:00,245 I'm so glad you could be on the show. 43 00:02:00,555 --> 00:02:05,285 Your life story is intriguing and fascinating 44 00:02:05,545 --> 00:02:07,845 and an adventure and everything in between. 45 00:02:07,985 --> 00:02:10,125 So I'm really excited to, to jump in, 46 00:02:10,125 --> 00:02:14,565 but I like to start these conversations by finding out 47 00:02:14,635 --> 00:02:18,445 what shaped the person I'm speaking with, and especially 48 00:02:18,445 --> 00:02:21,205 because of your choice of career paths. 49 00:02:21,435 --> 00:02:24,685 - Yeah. Well, I, you know, uh, the origin story, 50 00:02:24,785 --> 00:02:29,605 the CIA origin story is that when I was 13 years old, 51 00:02:30,285 --> 00:02:33,645 I was living in, uh, in Mesa, Arizona, 52 00:02:34,145 --> 00:02:35,925 and it's hot in Mesa, Arizona, desert, 53 00:02:36,445 --> 00:02:38,725 saguaro cacti everywhere, you know, that kind of thing. 54 00:02:39,225 --> 00:02:41,725 So I'm a kid. I'm growing up in the desert, and, you know, 55 00:02:41,745 --> 00:02:45,205 and I read a book and I, I, I wanna make this point 56 00:02:45,205 --> 00:02:47,725 because to all your listeners, especially any kids 57 00:02:47,925 --> 00:02:50,605 who are listening, you know, read as much as you can 58 00:02:50,605 --> 00:02:53,325 because when you read, you get, you know, it, 59 00:02:53,465 --> 00:02:55,605 it incites your, your imagination. 60 00:02:55,825 --> 00:02:58,445 It gives you the ability to write and so forth and so on. 61 00:02:58,445 --> 00:03:01,645 But it takes you anywhere. You can go anywhere if you read. 62 00:03:02,865 --> 00:03:05,245 So, when I was 13, sitting in Maca, Arizona, 63 00:03:05,525 --> 00:03:09,085 I read Jack London's Call of The Wild, you know, 64 00:03:09,225 --> 00:03:10,485 and Jack London's Call 65 00:03:10,485 --> 00:03:13,285 of the Wild is a story about a kid up in the Klondike 66 00:03:13,285 --> 00:03:17,245 and his, his, uh, mush dog buck and their adventures. 67 00:03:17,625 --> 00:03:20,685 You can imagine me sitting there in the desert reading about 68 00:03:20,685 --> 00:03:24,405 the Clon Dyke and Pine Forest and snow and mush dogs, 69 00:03:24,505 --> 00:03:27,325 and, you know, all the exciting things that were going on, 70 00:03:27,425 --> 00:03:30,125 you know, with, with these, this guy and his dog. 71 00:03:30,545 --> 00:03:34,245 And so, at that particular point in time, I was, I was sold. 72 00:03:34,485 --> 00:03:36,725 I was like, I'm not gonna stay here in Arizona. 73 00:03:37,345 --> 00:03:39,245 I'm gonna go for a life of adventure. 74 00:03:39,585 --> 00:03:42,805 I'm gonna find buck somewhere, you know, in my own buck. 75 00:03:43,185 --> 00:03:44,525 And, and go that way. 76 00:03:45,485 --> 00:03:49,215 Shortly thereafter, we moved to, uh, Boulder, Colorado, 77 00:03:49,875 --> 00:03:52,615 and in Boulder, Colorado, I was, I turned 14. 78 00:03:53,375 --> 00:03:54,815 I went to the movies. I went 79 00:03:54,815 --> 00:03:58,175 to see the very first James Bond movie was Sean Connery. 80 00:03:58,175 --> 00:03:59,535 It was from Russia With Love. 81 00:04:01,015 --> 00:04:02,735 I gotta tell you, Susan, right there, , 82 00:04:03,335 --> 00:04:04,455 I was, I was hooked. 83 00:04:04,615 --> 00:04:07,855 I mean, that just completely captured my imagination. 84 00:04:08,315 --> 00:04:10,215 It was filmed in Instanbul, Turkey. 85 00:04:10,405 --> 00:04:13,295 Foreign languages were being spoken, you know, 86 00:04:13,445 --> 00:04:16,655 accents were being used, different costumes, you know, 87 00:04:16,705 --> 00:04:18,255 characters had different costumes. 88 00:04:18,255 --> 00:04:21,295 And then of course, the James Bond figure, you know, I mean, 89 00:04:21,295 --> 00:04:23,855 Sean Connery was doing all kinds of cool things like, 90 00:04:24,035 --> 00:04:26,335 you know, checking for bugs in his, in, you know, 91 00:04:26,335 --> 00:04:27,735 listening devices in his room. 92 00:04:27,755 --> 00:04:31,335 And, and he and his liaison guy from the Turkish service 93 00:04:31,565 --> 00:04:34,815 went down into the, the, the bowels of Istanbul 94 00:04:34,815 --> 00:04:36,495 and these underground passages. 95 00:04:36,495 --> 00:04:39,975 And they had like a, a, a submarine periscope 96 00:04:40,045 --> 00:04:43,215 that would come up into, you know, the Soviet Embassy 97 00:04:43,215 --> 00:04:44,775 so they could spy on the Soviets 98 00:04:44,775 --> 00:04:46,015 through this periscope and stuff. 99 00:04:46,315 --> 00:04:48,455 And of course, he got the girl, you know, I mean, that, 100 00:04:48,455 --> 00:04:49,455 that was a big deal too. 101 00:04:49,475 --> 00:04:53,415 So at 14 years old, I decided that's what I want to do, 102 00:04:53,515 --> 00:04:56,015 you know, I want to be one of those spy guys. 103 00:04:56,595 --> 00:04:59,415 And so, as soon as the movie was over, 104 00:04:59,795 --> 00:05:03,015 and this was a long time ago, this was long before computers 105 00:05:03,015 --> 00:05:04,335 and iPhones or anything like that. 106 00:05:04,835 --> 00:05:07,975 So as soon as the movie was over, I've made a beeline 107 00:05:07,975 --> 00:05:11,095 to the Boulder Public Library, put on my most innocent face, 108 00:05:11,095 --> 00:05:12,415 and went up to the librarian 109 00:05:12,415 --> 00:05:14,295 and said, you know, miss Librarian, 110 00:05:14,295 --> 00:05:16,535 could you please help me find stuff about the CIA? 111 00:05:16,535 --> 00:05:18,175 And she was all for it. 112 00:05:18,185 --> 00:05:20,575 She's got periodicals and lined them up 113 00:05:20,575 --> 00:05:23,215 and showed me the, the, the articles and the periodicals 114 00:05:23,215 --> 00:05:24,815 and, and whatever books they had. 115 00:05:25,195 --> 00:05:29,055 Of course, there were no books for 14-year-old wannabes, 116 00:05:29,075 --> 00:05:30,615 you know, wannabe s spies, as it was. 117 00:05:30,755 --> 00:05:34,015 It was all pretty much serious, uh, you know, adult stuff. 118 00:05:34,595 --> 00:05:37,175 But I read all that stuff, and I went into those books, 119 00:05:37,175 --> 00:05:40,015 and I searched page to, to, you know, page by page 120 00:05:40,395 --> 00:05:43,255 to find someone that represent, you know, resembled 121 00:05:43,765 --> 00:05:45,455 Sean Connery's oh oh seven. 122 00:05:45,735 --> 00:05:48,615 I, I couldn't do it, you know, I mean, I couldn't find it, 123 00:05:48,715 --> 00:05:51,975 so I figured I gotta know, you know, I mean, 124 00:05:51,975 --> 00:05:53,095 I gotta figure this out. 125 00:05:53,195 --> 00:05:55,455 So, so what I did is I went 126 00:05:55,455 --> 00:05:58,285 to the Yellow Pages back then we had Yellow Pages, , 127 00:05:58,545 --> 00:06:00,685 and you'd find federal listings and things. 128 00:06:01,025 --> 00:06:03,525 And I found the, and I was living in Boulder, Colorado. 129 00:06:03,585 --> 00:06:05,925 So I found the, the federal listing in Denver 130 00:06:06,505 --> 00:06:09,285 for the Central Intelligence Agency, a post office box. 131 00:06:10,145 --> 00:06:13,565 And, you know, I sat down with a, a, a pencil 132 00:06:14,185 --> 00:06:16,725 and some lined notebook paper, 133 00:06:17,385 --> 00:06:21,325 and I wrote, I printed, actually, I printed a letter 134 00:06:21,545 --> 00:06:25,365 to the CIA, and I can't remember exactly what I said, 135 00:06:25,385 --> 00:06:27,605 but I said something like, dear CIA, 136 00:06:28,145 --> 00:06:31,085 I'm a 14-year-old student at Centennial Junior High School 137 00:06:31,185 --> 00:06:34,885 in Boulder, Colorado, and I've decided I wanna be a spy. 138 00:06:35,265 --> 00:06:38,765 You know, how do I do that sincerely, Brian Fairchild 139 00:06:38,825 --> 00:06:41,565 and I got a stamp from my mom, put it on the, you know, 140 00:06:41,825 --> 00:06:43,725 put it on the envelope, and I mailed it. 141 00:06:44,665 --> 00:06:45,845 And I, and that was a good thing. 142 00:06:45,845 --> 00:06:47,685 That's another, uh, you know, sort of life lesson. 143 00:06:47,755 --> 00:06:49,245 It's like, if you don't take the shot, 144 00:06:49,245 --> 00:06:51,445 you're never gonna get anywhere, you know, I mean, 145 00:06:51,445 --> 00:06:52,885 maybe nothing's gonna happen, 146 00:06:53,225 --> 00:06:54,605 but I might as well take the shot. 147 00:06:54,665 --> 00:06:57,325 So I mailed it off, and I sort of forgot about it 148 00:06:57,325 --> 00:06:59,525 for a while, and then two weeks later, I came home 149 00:07:00,665 --> 00:07:02,285 and my mom had gotten this letter 150 00:07:02,425 --> 00:07:04,245 and put it on my pillow in my bedroom. 151 00:07:04,985 --> 00:07:07,125 And it was from the Central Intelligence Agency, 152 00:07:07,125 --> 00:07:10,285 and it was on colored envelopes and, and stationary, 153 00:07:10,585 --> 00:07:12,965 and, you know, it, it, it said Central intelligence, 154 00:07:13,045 --> 00:07:16,765 a t post office box, whatever, Washington, dc and I glanced, 155 00:07:16,765 --> 00:07:18,605 and I saw it was addressed to Mr. 156 00:07:18,635 --> 00:07:21,445 Fairchild. And right away, Susan, I mean, 157 00:07:21,485 --> 00:07:22,765 I, I, I was terrified. 158 00:07:22,905 --> 00:07:26,605 I'm like, oh my God, you know, the CIA is writing to my dad, 159 00:07:27,225 --> 00:07:30,005 you know, to basically say, Hey, get your kid 160 00:07:30,085 --> 00:07:31,085 to knock this stuff off. 161 00:07:31,105 --> 00:07:32,925 We don't need pencil requirement. 162 00:07:32,925 --> 00:07:35,645 You know, that sort of thing. And, and because the only Mr. 163 00:07:35,645 --> 00:07:38,965 Fairchild I had ever known was my dad, right? 164 00:07:39,205 --> 00:07:42,645 I mean, nobody called me 14 years old, Mr. Fairchild. 165 00:07:43,065 --> 00:07:45,125 So I opened the letter to see how much trouble I was in, 166 00:07:46,105 --> 00:07:49,725 and I found a two, two-page typed plan 167 00:07:50,715 --> 00:07:54,165 written specific to my pencil request for how 168 00:07:54,165 --> 00:07:56,405 to get into the CIA written by a guy. 169 00:07:56,405 --> 00:08:00,405 And this is a, this is absolutely true, Michael Vic. 170 00:08:01,065 --> 00:08:04,685 Now, you can't get a better CIA name than Michael Tvi, 171 00:08:04,695 --> 00:08:06,845 especially for a 14-year-old kid 172 00:08:07,185 --> 00:08:10,565 who had just watched from Russia with love, right? 173 00:08:10,705 --> 00:08:12,245 All these Russians going around going 174 00:08:12,265 --> 00:08:16,965 and, you know, Vic, Vic, you know, that sort of thing. 175 00:08:16,965 --> 00:08:20,525 And here's Michael Tvi from CIA, writing me a letter. 176 00:08:20,585 --> 00:08:21,765 And it was a plan. 177 00:08:21,765 --> 00:08:25,245 And I subsequently called it the Vic Plan. 178 00:08:26,265 --> 00:08:29,005 And it started out, you know, as you might imagine, he said, 179 00:08:29,505 --> 00:08:31,765 uh, dear Brian, you know, it's, it's great 180 00:08:31,765 --> 00:08:33,685 that young Americans like yourself would 181 00:08:33,715 --> 00:08:34,885 like to serve the government. 182 00:08:35,185 --> 00:08:37,165 And in this case, especially CIA, 183 00:08:37,305 --> 00:08:39,405 and, uh, here's my advice to you. 184 00:08:39,795 --> 00:08:40,925 Stay in junior high school. 185 00:08:41,505 --> 00:08:44,005 You know, okay, that's check . 186 00:08:44,665 --> 00:08:45,885 Go on to high school and, 187 00:08:45,905 --> 00:08:47,765 and when you're in high school, apply yourself 188 00:08:47,765 --> 00:08:48,845 and learn as much as you can. 189 00:08:49,005 --> 00:08:50,205 I figured, okay, that's good. 190 00:08:50,905 --> 00:08:53,205 If you go to the university, I would recommend 191 00:08:53,205 --> 00:08:56,885 that you take international politics or area studies and, 192 00:08:56,885 --> 00:08:58,205 and you're gonna need a language. 193 00:08:58,345 --> 00:09:00,245 So, you know, choose a language and, 194 00:09:00,345 --> 00:09:01,405 and study that language. 195 00:09:01,465 --> 00:09:02,965 In fact, you can start that anytime. 196 00:09:02,985 --> 00:09:04,445 You don't have to wait until you go to college 197 00:09:05,025 --> 00:09:06,245 and military is good. 198 00:09:06,305 --> 00:09:08,085 So, you know, if you get into the military 199 00:09:08,085 --> 00:09:09,285 that that's a good thing for us. 200 00:09:09,825 --> 00:09:13,565 And six months prior to you wanting to accept, you know, 201 00:09:13,565 --> 00:09:15,605 employment with the Central Intelligence Agency, 202 00:09:16,025 --> 00:09:18,245 get back in touch and we'll do your polygraph 203 00:09:18,245 --> 00:09:19,245 and we'll bring you on board. 204 00:09:19,585 --> 00:09:20,845 You know? And I'm like, whoa, 205 00:09:21,345 --> 00:09:24,845 I'm gonna be in the CIAI got a letter later when I got into 206 00:09:24,845 --> 00:09:27,725 the ccia, a I told my colleagues about 207 00:09:27,725 --> 00:09:29,245 this, and they all knew him. 208 00:09:29,555 --> 00:09:31,565 They, oh, Mike, yeah, Mike ado. 209 00:09:31,705 --> 00:09:33,245 He was in Denver for a while, wasn't he? 210 00:09:33,245 --> 00:09:35,445 Oh, he's a great case officer. What a good man. 211 00:09:35,445 --> 00:09:37,405 You know, that sort of thing. So the guy was 212 00:09:37,685 --> 00:09:39,005 absolutely true, right? 213 00:09:39,185 --> 00:09:42,245 And, and, and a real guy. And it wasn't even an alias. 214 00:09:42,245 --> 00:09:44,165 And he, he took the time to respond 215 00:09:44,185 --> 00:09:47,685 to a 14-year-old kid's pencil request, you know? 216 00:09:47,785 --> 00:09:49,685 So I thought, that's great. 217 00:09:49,685 --> 00:09:51,965 And I'll tell that story for as long as I live, 218 00:09:52,145 --> 00:09:54,565 and to as many kids as I can, can tell it to, 219 00:09:54,565 --> 00:09:56,925 because, you know, take the shot for one thing, 220 00:09:57,305 --> 00:09:59,805 and there are people out there who want to help you 221 00:09:59,905 --> 00:10:03,045 and will do things for you like this guy did for me. 222 00:10:03,185 --> 00:10:04,325 - And kudos to him, 223 00:10:04,325 --> 00:10:06,925 because any other person, perhaps 224 00:10:07,035 --> 00:10:10,485 that letter gets across their desk and they just giggle and, 225 00:10:11,265 --> 00:10:14,765 and send you a, a hat or a pin or something, 226 00:10:15,465 --> 00:10:16,465 - Or it wouldn't even do that. 227 00:10:16,465 --> 00:10:18,565 They'd just rip it up and send it and put it. 228 00:10:18,705 --> 00:10:20,125 But this guy sat down and, 229 00:10:20,225 --> 00:10:24,485 and typed a, a two page letter, you know, specifically, 230 00:10:24,825 --> 00:10:27,685 you know, to me how to, how to get into the CIA. 231 00:10:27,865 --> 00:10:29,445 And it worked. That's the key. 232 00:10:29,825 --> 00:10:31,725 It worked, the TVI plan worked. 233 00:10:31,825 --> 00:10:33,805 So that when, as I was growing up 234 00:10:33,805 --> 00:10:36,485 and I was going to all those things, go going 235 00:10:36,485 --> 00:10:39,245 through high school, and I did exactly what he said, 236 00:10:39,525 --> 00:10:40,645 I became a Green Beret, 237 00:10:40,645 --> 00:10:43,405 and I went into the 19th Special Forces Group. 238 00:10:44,385 --> 00:10:45,805 At that time, it was, uh, 239 00:10:45,805 --> 00:10:47,805 it was situated at Buckley 240 00:10:47,805 --> 00:10:49,365 International Guard Base in Denver. 241 00:10:49,945 --> 00:10:51,125 So I got into that. 242 00:10:51,145 --> 00:10:54,245 So I had the military check mark getting into college 243 00:10:54,385 --> 00:10:55,805 and taking what I was gonna take. 244 00:10:56,125 --> 00:10:59,205 I had a dual major in International Relations 245 00:10:59,225 --> 00:11:01,845 and Asian Studies, and I had been a 246 00:11:02,685 --> 00:11:04,805 exchange student in my junior year at 247 00:11:04,805 --> 00:11:06,805 university and to Taiwan. 248 00:11:07,545 --> 00:11:10,925 And so I had to obtained, you know, operational fluency in, 249 00:11:11,145 --> 00:11:12,605 in, uh, Mandarin Chinese. 250 00:11:13,165 --> 00:11:16,525 I had international relations, Asian studies, a language, 251 00:11:17,065 --> 00:11:18,365 and, and been overseas 252 00:11:18,365 --> 00:11:19,885 because I had been, you know, in Taiwan 253 00:11:19,985 --> 00:11:22,045 as an Exchange Exchange student. 254 00:11:22,745 --> 00:11:25,725 And, you know, CIA is very, uh, 255 00:11:26,385 --> 00:11:28,605 it is like a tier one agency, right? 256 00:11:28,635 --> 00:11:32,325 It's like trying to get into SEAL Team six, or Delta Force, 257 00:11:32,545 --> 00:11:35,365 or IBM, or, you know, whatever you're shooting for. 258 00:11:35,405 --> 00:11:36,565 I mean, it's a, it's a, you know, 259 00:11:36,565 --> 00:11:39,285 they only take a few people from all the, the people that, 260 00:11:39,305 --> 00:11:41,485 you know, uh, send in applications. 261 00:11:42,105 --> 00:11:44,605 But I had something that none, none, none 262 00:11:44,605 --> 00:11:46,045 of those guys had all those guys 263 00:11:46,045 --> 00:11:49,005 that were applying from Yale and Harvard 264 00:11:49,625 --> 00:11:51,125 and all these cool places, 265 00:11:51,385 --> 00:11:53,045 and, you know, had all these cool things 266 00:11:53,165 --> 00:11:54,405 that they could say about themselves. 267 00:11:54,785 --> 00:11:56,445 But I had it Todorovich plan, 268 00:11:56,945 --> 00:11:58,565 and it carried the day, you know, 269 00:11:58,665 --> 00:12:00,765 and they said, welcome on board. 270 00:12:00,765 --> 00:12:02,325 And I, you know, I, I raised my hand 271 00:12:02,325 --> 00:12:04,005 and took my, you know, took the oath 272 00:12:04,025 --> 00:12:05,525 to defend the Constitution and, 273 00:12:05,585 --> 00:12:08,405 and became a member of the clandestine service. So please 274 00:12:08,555 --> 00:12:09,725 - Tell me that you got 275 00:12:09,785 --> 00:12:12,445 to meet Todorovich at some point. No, 276 00:12:12,525 --> 00:12:13,525 - I didn't. 277 00:12:13,525 --> 00:12:15,325 By the time I got in, he was already retired. 278 00:12:15,665 --> 00:12:16,885 - But even after the fact, 279 00:12:17,025 --> 00:12:19,285 you didn't find him somewhere out there? No. 280 00:12:19,285 --> 00:12:20,365 - Yeah. No, I didn't. 281 00:12:20,525 --> 00:12:21,805 I mean, but, but remember, I mean, 282 00:12:21,845 --> 00:12:24,325 I was 14 years old when I got that, you know, 283 00:12:24,325 --> 00:12:26,725 I was 25 years old when I got into the ccia, a 284 00:12:26,725 --> 00:12:27,925 so a lot of time had passed. 285 00:12:28,155 --> 00:12:31,365 Sure. And so I was sitting, in fact, I was sitting in the, 286 00:12:31,385 --> 00:12:35,285 on the Taiwan desk at CIA headquarters, uh, having just, 287 00:12:35,385 --> 00:12:37,325 you know, joined CIA shortly before that. 288 00:12:37,745 --> 00:12:39,925 And I was talking to the guy who was the chief of the desk, 289 00:12:39,925 --> 00:12:40,925 and I told him this story, 290 00:12:40,945 --> 00:12:43,485 and he said, I know Mike Michael tdo. 291 00:12:43,675 --> 00:12:45,685 Yeah, yeah. He and I were in the same class going 292 00:12:45,685 --> 00:12:47,565 through the farm, and, you know, I mean, it was, 293 00:12:47,665 --> 00:12:48,805 it was that kind of thing. 294 00:12:48,805 --> 00:12:52,205 But he had, he retired long before I got in, and, 295 00:12:52,265 --> 00:12:55,165 and, uh, you know, nobody had any contact information 296 00:12:55,225 --> 00:12:58,525 for him, but I did, to your point, 297 00:12:58,735 --> 00:13:01,165 there was another guy at the, at the same time, 298 00:13:01,695 --> 00:13:04,885 there was a guy by the name of Clayton, Tony Lamb, 299 00:13:06,185 --> 00:13:08,045 and Tony Lamb had been a, 300 00:13:08,605 --> 00:13:10,565 a bobby in the London Police Force. 301 00:13:11,145 --> 00:13:13,205 And now, when I was 14, 302 00:13:13,505 --> 00:13:16,805 he was a private investigator in Boulder, Colorado. 303 00:13:17,065 --> 00:13:19,205 And this was, you know, I mean, just like I went from 304 00:13:19,825 --> 00:13:21,245 the movie theater to the library. 305 00:13:21,665 --> 00:13:22,885 Now I'm into it. Now. 306 00:13:22,885 --> 00:13:25,565 I got a letter from CIA , I'm gonna be, 307 00:13:25,745 --> 00:13:27,445 I'm gonna be a spy one of these days. 308 00:13:27,745 --> 00:13:30,205 And I'm talking to people, as many people as I can 309 00:13:30,265 --> 00:13:33,445 to find out as much as I can about anything like that. 310 00:13:33,665 --> 00:13:35,005 So I called up Tony Lamb, 311 00:13:35,025 --> 00:13:37,125 and I said, Hey, my name's Brian Fairchild, 312 00:13:37,125 --> 00:13:39,205 and this is, I'm a 14-year-old guy, and da da da da. 313 00:13:39,505 --> 00:13:40,725 He said, ah, come on by. 314 00:13:40,945 --> 00:13:43,485 So I went downtown and I went to his office, 315 00:13:44,505 --> 00:13:46,965 and, you know, the guy took me in 316 00:13:46,965 --> 00:13:48,445 and he gave me his best advice. 317 00:13:48,545 --> 00:13:50,525 And he said, you know, he told me about surveillance. 318 00:13:50,585 --> 00:13:53,405 And above Boulder, Colorado is the Rocky Mountains. 319 00:13:53,445 --> 00:13:55,165 I mean, to the west is the Rocky Mountains. 320 00:13:55,165 --> 00:13:58,645 And, and, uh, there's a, a, an overlook, a sort of a, a, 321 00:13:58,665 --> 00:14:00,285 you know, lovers, you know, 322 00:14:00,435 --> 00:14:03,085 lovers' parking place and overlook. 323 00:14:03,465 --> 00:14:05,525 And he said, you know, he was saying, you know, as far 324 00:14:05,525 --> 00:14:06,525 as following people 325 00:14:06,545 --> 00:14:09,845 and stuff, he says, I go up to the, you know, to 326 00:14:09,845 --> 00:14:13,205 that overlook, and I get my cameras and I set up, and, 327 00:14:13,385 --> 00:14:16,405 and all of Boulder is just lined out in front of me, 328 00:14:16,745 --> 00:14:19,245 and I can follow people all over the city just 329 00:14:19,245 --> 00:14:20,245 with my cameras. 330 00:14:20,965 --> 00:14:22,525 I don't have to be following them. 331 00:14:22,545 --> 00:14:23,885 You know, I can follow 'em all over the 332 00:14:23,885 --> 00:14:25,045 city, you know, wherever they go. 333 00:14:25,585 --> 00:14:27,405 And so I like, well, that's pretty cool. 334 00:14:27,545 --> 00:14:30,085 And then he said, well, have you done any, like, you know, 335 00:14:30,085 --> 00:14:31,765 self-defense things or anything? 336 00:14:31,825 --> 00:14:32,925 And I said, no. 337 00:14:32,945 --> 00:14:34,645 He said, well, you know, across the street over 338 00:14:34,645 --> 00:14:35,845 here is this dojo. 339 00:14:36,345 --> 00:14:38,405 And I'm, you know, Tony says, 340 00:14:38,625 --> 00:14:40,805 I'm taking Juujitsu lessons over there. 341 00:14:41,145 --> 00:14:42,765 You might wanna look into that. You know? 342 00:14:42,945 --> 00:14:46,765 So at that, that's when I got involved in martial arts 343 00:14:46,865 --> 00:14:48,485 and, you know, subsequently did that 344 00:14:48,585 --> 00:14:49,685 and got together 345 00:14:49,685 --> 00:14:52,165 with some Chinese students at Colorado State, uh, 346 00:14:52,365 --> 00:14:54,805 Colorado University, cu and, you know, on the campus. 347 00:14:55,265 --> 00:14:56,565 And they taught me kung fu 348 00:14:56,585 --> 00:14:59,365 and I started that whole lifelong thing, you know. 349 00:14:59,785 --> 00:15:04,305 But when I got into the CIA to, to show you how, 350 00:15:04,325 --> 00:15:07,065 how cool this is as a story evolves, you know, 351 00:15:07,235 --> 00:15:11,425 after my first two assignments overseas, I got assigned 352 00:15:11,565 --> 00:15:14,065 to Denver, the same office that Michael 353 00:15:14,605 --> 00:15:16,825 Vic had been in when he wrote to me all those years 354 00:15:16,825 --> 00:15:20,185 before, part of my responsibility was going to Boulder 355 00:15:20,285 --> 00:15:22,225 and talking to contacts and things in Boulder, 356 00:15:22,685 --> 00:15:24,545 and I sought Tony Lamb out. 357 00:15:25,085 --> 00:15:26,545 And, you know, the interesting thing is, 358 00:15:26,565 --> 00:15:28,585 he made such an impression on me, 359 00:15:28,725 --> 00:15:30,185 and he was important to me, 360 00:15:30,765 --> 00:15:32,705 but he didn't remember the incident at all. 361 00:15:33,045 --> 00:15:34,745 You know, when I told him, I said, yeah, you know, 362 00:15:34,785 --> 00:15:36,385 I don't know if you remember me, but you know, 363 00:15:36,385 --> 00:15:37,945 when I was 14, I came to your office 364 00:15:37,965 --> 00:15:40,745 and he, he didn't , you know, to me, 365 00:15:41,005 --> 00:15:42,305 to him, I was just a blip. 366 00:15:42,425 --> 00:15:44,425 I was something that, you know, oh, yeah, yeah, nice kid. 367 00:15:44,425 --> 00:15:45,625 Okay, see you later. You know, 368 00:15:45,645 --> 00:15:47,265 he never gave it a second thought, 369 00:15:47,325 --> 00:15:50,065 but for me, I'm still telling the story, you know, so, 370 00:15:50,405 --> 00:15:53,865 but I did, I did look him up specifically, and, uh, and, 371 00:15:54,245 --> 00:15:56,785 and I thanked him for, you know, taking an interest and, 372 00:15:56,785 --> 00:15:58,145 and, you know, giving me his guidance. 373 00:15:58,325 --> 00:16:00,385 And, you know, we, we shook hands 374 00:16:00,385 --> 00:16:02,585 and I never saw him again. But it's wild 375 00:16:02,615 --> 00:16:07,025 - That at 14 you had such a, a perseverance 376 00:16:07,245 --> 00:16:08,385 and a determination. 377 00:16:09,725 --> 00:16:13,105 I'm sure , I just picture this kid in his family 378 00:16:13,555 --> 00:16:15,625 doing little spy spy games. 379 00:16:15,775 --> 00:16:18,385 - Well, I followed people around town and at the mall. 380 00:16:18,825 --> 00:16:20,425 I mean, I got in trouble for it too, you know? 381 00:16:20,465 --> 00:16:22,945 I mean, if you follow the wrong people, like, you know, 382 00:16:22,995 --> 00:16:25,385 girls, and they figure out that you're following along 383 00:16:25,385 --> 00:16:27,105 and they tell somebody, it's like, you know, 384 00:16:27,485 --> 00:16:29,105 are you stalking this poor young lady? 385 00:16:29,265 --> 00:16:30,785 I wasn't, no, I was just practicing 386 00:16:30,785 --> 00:16:32,065 my surveillance technique. 387 00:16:32,205 --> 00:16:34,585 But yeah, I mean, it, it was, it was that kind of a deal. 388 00:16:34,605 --> 00:16:37,345 But I, you know, I just, I read everything I could from 389 00:16:37,345 --> 00:16:39,665 that point on, and, and then I got in and, 390 00:16:39,685 --> 00:16:42,705 and once I got in, you know, one of the things I regret, 391 00:16:43,565 --> 00:16:45,745 so I used to sleep with that letter under my pillow. 392 00:16:46,325 --> 00:16:48,945 But then once you do these things, you know, 393 00:16:48,945 --> 00:16:52,185 once you get in, those letters seem less important, right? 394 00:16:52,185 --> 00:16:54,905 Because now it's not an aspirational thing. 395 00:16:55,045 --> 00:16:57,385 You are already there. You're one of 'em, you're in the, 396 00:16:57,385 --> 00:16:58,385 you know, in it deep. 397 00:16:59,045 --> 00:17:01,585 So I misplaced that letter somewhere, 398 00:17:01,845 --> 00:17:03,665 and now it's very valuable to me. 399 00:17:03,745 --> 00:17:05,585 I mean, I would love to find that letter again, 400 00:17:06,045 --> 00:17:07,305 my parents passed away. 401 00:17:07,545 --> 00:17:10,665 I was overseas, you know, my brother put stuff in storage, 402 00:17:10,805 --> 00:17:13,065 and we've never been able to find that letter again. 403 00:17:13,565 --> 00:17:16,585 But if I can, I mean, I, I will, I'll, I'll frame it, 404 00:17:16,935 --> 00:17:18,345 I'll gild it and frame it, you know, 405 00:17:18,345 --> 00:17:21,505 because now it's a, it is important, which is another thing 406 00:17:21,505 --> 00:17:23,025 to remember, you know, it's like, hold on 407 00:17:23,025 --> 00:17:25,985 to those things when, when you're a kid, don't think just 408 00:17:25,985 --> 00:17:27,465 because you're gonna get into something 409 00:17:27,465 --> 00:17:30,065 or become a Green Beret that this stuff isn't important. 410 00:17:30,225 --> 00:17:32,425 I mean, you know, take those things and save 'em, 411 00:17:32,425 --> 00:17:34,145 because they're very important. Did 412 00:17:34,145 --> 00:17:36,905 - You have a, a generally patriotic family 413 00:17:37,175 --> 00:17:40,025 that you came from, or was it run of the mill? 414 00:17:40,925 --> 00:17:42,105 - No, it was a run of the mill. 415 00:17:42,185 --> 00:17:43,345 I mean, my dad, you know, 416 00:17:43,485 --> 00:17:45,505 my dad had done different things at the time 417 00:17:45,505 --> 00:17:46,545 that we were in Denver. 418 00:17:46,725 --> 00:17:47,985 My dad was an iron worker, 419 00:17:48,645 --> 00:17:51,365 and, uh, you know, we didn't, I was the first one who went 420 00:17:51,365 --> 00:17:54,285 to college in, in the family, and, you know, and, 421 00:17:54,305 --> 00:17:55,885 and got my, you know, diploma, 422 00:17:56,485 --> 00:17:58,845 although I had a hard time getting outta high school 423 00:17:59,285 --> 00:18:01,525 , but that's another whole story, . 424 00:18:02,425 --> 00:18:03,645 But I did get outta high school, 425 00:18:03,905 --> 00:18:07,085 and I did get my degree, you know, my high school diploma. 426 00:18:07,505 --> 00:18:10,845 And then, uh, then I got into Cal State of Chico 427 00:18:11,105 --> 00:18:12,645 and graduated with, uh, 428 00:18:12,645 --> 00:18:14,765 highest honors in international relations. 429 00:18:14,865 --> 00:18:17,645 So, you know, I mean, it all sort of came together, 430 00:18:18,305 --> 00:18:19,645 but yeah, I wasn't, uh, 431 00:18:19,865 --> 00:18:22,525 but it wasn't a military family or anything like that. 432 00:18:22,585 --> 00:18:24,325 But, uh, you know, I was patriotic. 433 00:18:24,325 --> 00:18:25,885 My brothers were patriotic. 434 00:18:26,305 --> 00:18:28,885 My younger brother subsequently went into the Air Force 435 00:18:29,185 --> 00:18:31,405 and Office of Special Investigations 436 00:18:31,425 --> 00:18:32,605 and then became the chief 437 00:18:32,605 --> 00:18:34,645 of all criminal investigations in Montana, 438 00:18:34,705 --> 00:18:35,885 you know, for the state of Montana. 439 00:18:36,025 --> 00:18:37,885 So, you know, he followed his dream 440 00:18:37,945 --> 00:18:41,205 and I followed mine, my older brother, uh, something else, 441 00:18:41,645 --> 00:18:43,125 , he did something else, you know. 442 00:18:43,505 --> 00:18:46,805 But, uh, but the two of us, we, you know, we stayed to, 443 00:18:46,905 --> 00:18:49,045 you know, stayed true to that kind of a concept. 444 00:18:49,785 --> 00:18:53,805 And, uh, I would be still working today if it wasn't 445 00:18:53,805 --> 00:18:56,325 for the fact that CIA, you know, downsized and 446 00:18:56,495 --> 00:18:58,805 after the fall of the Soviet Union, you know, I, 447 00:18:58,925 --> 00:19:00,245 I tried everything I could to stay, 448 00:19:00,545 --> 00:19:02,405 and they said, no, we want you guys to leave. 449 00:19:03,165 --> 00:19:05,965 - I imagine that these days they're maybe regretting 450 00:19:05,965 --> 00:19:08,885 that decision and maybe bulking it back up again. 451 00:19:09,035 --> 00:19:10,885 - Yeah, well, they are, they're, they're rebuilding, 452 00:19:11,625 --> 00:19:13,525 but now they're not so happy with me 453 00:19:13,525 --> 00:19:15,805 because I've written to them on numerous occasions, 454 00:19:15,805 --> 00:19:18,245 written papers, cri critical of CIA, 455 00:19:18,245 --> 00:19:20,325 because CIA's really not doing what it's supposed 456 00:19:20,325 --> 00:19:21,405 to be doing now, you know? 457 00:19:21,405 --> 00:19:23,645 So even, even if they needed somebody 458 00:19:23,715 --> 00:19:24,925 that had my requirements, 459 00:19:24,925 --> 00:19:26,485 they probably wouldn't choose me. , 460 00:19:26,825 --> 00:19:30,685 - Uh, what is the difference between CIA and FBI? 461 00:19:30,685 --> 00:19:33,285 Because I think a lot of people confuse those two agencies. 462 00:19:33,995 --> 00:19:35,325 - Yeah, absolutely. Different. 463 00:19:35,345 --> 00:19:38,965 The FBI, well, here's, here's a, uh, excellent question, 464 00:19:39,185 --> 00:19:42,565 and there's several reasons why a lot of people refer 465 00:19:42,565 --> 00:19:45,805 to the CIA guys who work in CIA as CIA agents, 466 00:19:45,865 --> 00:19:47,445 and that's not what we are. 467 00:19:47,625 --> 00:19:50,245 No, we never call ourselves CIA agents. 468 00:19:50,535 --> 00:19:53,845 We're CIA officers, or we're operations officers 469 00:19:53,985 --> 00:19:56,125 or clandestine service officers, 470 00:19:56,145 --> 00:19:58,965 but we never call ourselves agents. 471 00:19:59,465 --> 00:20:01,525 Agents are law enforcement type guys. 472 00:20:01,555 --> 00:20:04,365 Like the guys in the FBI are special agents 473 00:20:04,425 --> 00:20:07,965 of the FBI guys in, you know, immigration service 474 00:20:08,145 --> 00:20:10,805 or special agents of the, you know, immigration service 475 00:20:10,985 --> 00:20:14,485 or DEA is, are special agents in the, in the DEA, but, 476 00:20:14,745 --> 00:20:18,965 but CIA are clandestine service officers, case officers, 477 00:20:19,565 --> 00:20:22,285 ops officers, you know, CIA officers. 478 00:20:22,865 --> 00:20:24,125 And that's important 479 00:20:24,125 --> 00:20:28,485 because the, when we refer to agents, we refer 480 00:20:28,585 --> 00:20:31,525 to the foreigners that we've recruited overseas 481 00:20:32,185 --> 00:20:34,405 to penetrate foreign governments so 482 00:20:34,405 --> 00:20:36,445 that our government gets their secrets. 483 00:20:36,785 --> 00:20:38,605 So we refer to them as agents. 484 00:20:38,625 --> 00:20:41,245 So that's, you know, so to call a guy like me, 485 00:20:41,565 --> 00:20:46,045 a CIA agent is just, you know, completely skewed backwards, 486 00:20:46,145 --> 00:20:47,885 you know, I mean, I'm the, uh, I'm the officer. 487 00:20:48,005 --> 00:20:51,725 I go on recruit des spies who are our agents, and, 488 00:20:51,745 --> 00:20:54,445 and the FBI is a law enforcement organization. 489 00:20:55,025 --> 00:20:57,575 Their charter is the, you know, federal laws. 490 00:20:57,635 --> 00:20:59,655 And anybody who breaks federal laws, they're going 491 00:20:59,655 --> 00:21:02,175 to investigate the federal laws, develop evidence, 492 00:21:02,505 --> 00:21:05,695 bring a case against somebody, you know, go to the 493 00:21:06,215 --> 00:21:08,935 Attorney General or, you know, the prosecuting attorneys 494 00:21:09,275 --> 00:21:10,735 and, and give their cases 495 00:21:11,115 --> 00:21:12,855 to the federal prosecuting attorneys. 496 00:21:12,855 --> 00:21:14,455 And the, if they have enough evidence 497 00:21:14,475 --> 00:21:17,335 and can prove their case, then they bring it to trial 498 00:21:17,395 --> 00:21:18,455 and so forth and so on. 499 00:21:18,755 --> 00:21:20,535 But the CIA isn't anything like that. 500 00:21:20,595 --> 00:21:25,175 But the CI is is guys like me who go overseas, 501 00:21:25,545 --> 00:21:28,415 speak foreign languages, understand foreign cultures, 502 00:21:28,905 --> 00:21:32,335 understand foreign politics and regional politics, 503 00:21:32,335 --> 00:21:34,575 and the politics of our enemies especially. 504 00:21:35,195 --> 00:21:38,575 And then we try to find people that have access 505 00:21:38,715 --> 00:21:43,615 to secret information about those people, about our targets, 506 00:21:43,875 --> 00:21:45,055 and we try to recruit them. 507 00:21:45,195 --> 00:21:49,255 So to give you an example, if, if you, Susan, were a target 508 00:21:49,355 --> 00:21:51,735 of mine, if, if I had met you 509 00:21:51,735 --> 00:21:54,895 and you were in, you were in, uh, Bahrain, 510 00:21:55,515 --> 00:21:58,055 and you're in the Ministry of Economy in Bahrain, 511 00:21:58,755 --> 00:22:02,135 and I am, you know, in the US Embassy, you know, covered 512 00:22:02,195 --> 00:22:04,655 as a diplomat, covered as a political officer, 513 00:22:05,275 --> 00:22:07,655 and in the course of my duties, I get to know you. 514 00:22:07,995 --> 00:22:09,775 And it seems like we kind of hit it off 515 00:22:09,775 --> 00:22:12,055 and we, you know, we're on the same wavelengths and stuff. 516 00:22:12,815 --> 00:22:15,335 I will build, build a relationship with you. 517 00:22:15,515 --> 00:22:18,415 And then as I build a relationship with you, I find out, 518 00:22:18,715 --> 00:22:22,935 you know, your husband needs a, needs a, uh, an operation 519 00:22:22,965 --> 00:22:23,975 that you can't afford. 520 00:22:24,035 --> 00:22:26,535 You know, the baby needs a new pair of shoes, uh, 521 00:22:26,635 --> 00:22:27,815 you know, that kind of thing. 522 00:22:28,355 --> 00:22:30,215 And then if you have access, 523 00:22:30,355 --> 00:22:32,095 and then we're talking about government, 524 00:22:32,095 --> 00:22:33,935 and we're talking about politics and stuff, and, 525 00:22:33,995 --> 00:22:35,455 and a couple of times you look at me 526 00:22:35,455 --> 00:22:38,295 and say, well, look, Brian, I I'm gonna tell you this stuff, 527 00:22:38,315 --> 00:22:41,135 but don't tell anybody I told you this, you know, 528 00:22:41,135 --> 00:22:43,055 and then you give me a couple of secrets, right? 529 00:22:43,075 --> 00:22:45,215 And so I'd go, okay, no problem, Susan. 530 00:22:45,325 --> 00:22:46,935 I'll put, I'm not gonna say anything, 531 00:22:47,475 --> 00:22:51,095 but at some point I say, Hey, Susan has re you know, things 532 00:22:51,095 --> 00:22:52,255 that I can help her with. 533 00:22:52,505 --> 00:22:54,335 She's willing to share information with us. 534 00:22:54,945 --> 00:22:59,055 Maybe I should pitch her and try to recruit her, right? 535 00:22:59,115 --> 00:23:01,695 So one day we're at a, you know, we're at a restaurant 536 00:23:01,715 --> 00:23:03,655 or something and I say, you know, Susan, 537 00:23:03,875 --> 00:23:05,775 you might have figured out by now 538 00:23:05,775 --> 00:23:09,295 that I have duties other than my political reporting duties, 539 00:23:09,595 --> 00:23:11,415 and we could sure use help from, 540 00:23:11,475 --> 00:23:12,695 you know, a person like yourself. 541 00:23:12,755 --> 00:23:14,175 And, and I pitch you, right? 542 00:23:14,675 --> 00:23:16,495 And I recruit you as a spy, 543 00:23:16,495 --> 00:23:19,775 and now my responsibility is to protect you. 544 00:23:19,955 --> 00:23:21,095 So I've gotta meet you. 545 00:23:21,115 --> 00:23:24,615 So that's where you, all these things like safe houses come 546 00:23:24,725 --> 00:23:25,935 into to play. 547 00:23:26,055 --> 00:23:27,655 I mean, everybody's heard about a safe house. 548 00:23:27,655 --> 00:23:30,415 Well, what's a safe house? Well, you gotta, you know, 549 00:23:30,415 --> 00:23:33,095 you gotta have places to meet your secret agents. 550 00:23:33,315 --> 00:23:35,735 You know, you can't just go and, 551 00:23:35,795 --> 00:23:38,375 and, you know, hang out in public now anymore and, 552 00:23:38,395 --> 00:23:42,135 and start, you know, you give me classified information 553 00:23:42,135 --> 00:23:43,615 that I can take photographs of stuff. 554 00:23:43,615 --> 00:23:45,015 You can't do that in a, in a restaurant. 555 00:23:45,385 --> 00:23:46,685 So you gotta have a safe house. 556 00:23:46,985 --> 00:23:49,365 And then, then you've gotta be able to make sure 557 00:23:49,435 --> 00:23:51,965 that when I come to meet you 558 00:23:52,385 --> 00:23:55,285 and you come to meet me, that we're not followed, right? 559 00:23:55,305 --> 00:23:57,845 So we practice surveillance, detection, routes 560 00:23:57,845 --> 00:24:00,485 and things like that, so that if I'm being followed, 561 00:24:00,805 --> 00:24:03,805 I don't want to lead your security services 562 00:24:03,985 --> 00:24:06,525 or the Soviet Security Services and the Chinese 563 00:24:06,905 --> 00:24:09,805 or anybody else who might be following me to you, right? 564 00:24:09,985 --> 00:24:12,245 So that's where you have to get all clandestine. 565 00:24:12,245 --> 00:24:15,445 That's where you use phones and code words, 566 00:24:15,665 --> 00:24:19,205 and you know, somebody, you know, calls you and asks for Mr. 567 00:24:19,865 --> 00:24:20,885 Mr. Kvi, 568 00:24:20,945 --> 00:24:23,845 and you say, I'm sorry, it's a wrong number, you know, and, 569 00:24:23,865 --> 00:24:25,885 but that means something to you, right? 570 00:24:26,345 --> 00:24:28,445 And then there are the occasions when, like, 571 00:24:28,445 --> 00:24:31,765 if you're in really hostile environments like China 572 00:24:32,105 --> 00:24:35,005 or the Soviet Union where you can't meet face to face, 573 00:24:35,505 --> 00:24:37,445 you have what you've probably heard of, uh, 574 00:24:37,445 --> 00:24:39,165 as dead drops, right? 575 00:24:39,405 --> 00:24:41,765 A dead drop and signals and things like that. 576 00:24:41,835 --> 00:24:44,645 Well, a dead drop is, uh, like anything, like maybe, 577 00:24:45,255 --> 00:24:48,405 maybe this can, right here could be a dead drop. 578 00:24:48,585 --> 00:24:50,725 I'm gonna have secret information in this can, 579 00:24:51,505 --> 00:24:54,445 and I'm gonna put it at a preselected location 580 00:24:54,555 --> 00:24:57,605 that you know about where I can be underserved, 581 00:24:58,085 --> 00:25:00,925 actually be under surveillance, make a few turns, 582 00:25:01,235 --> 00:25:02,285 make that final turn. 583 00:25:02,395 --> 00:25:05,245 Boom. I put the, uh, I put the package down in a place 584 00:25:05,245 --> 00:25:06,285 that nobody's gonna see it. 585 00:25:06,405 --> 00:25:08,885 I continue on surveillance, comes around the corner, 586 00:25:08,955 --> 00:25:10,285 they see me, I'm still walking. 587 00:25:10,435 --> 00:25:12,125 Okay, great. We've got 'em, you know, 588 00:25:12,125 --> 00:25:13,685 but they don't know about that package. 589 00:25:14,225 --> 00:25:16,125 And then maybe, and then I go somewhere, 590 00:25:16,225 --> 00:25:19,405 and you know, the, the easiest way to be, uh, 591 00:25:19,505 --> 00:25:22,525 to describe a signal is like a chalk mark on a wall. 592 00:25:22,985 --> 00:25:24,885 You know, I walk, I turn another corner 593 00:25:24,985 --> 00:25:26,205 and I take a piece of chalk 594 00:25:26,205 --> 00:25:27,805 and I mark the wall very quickly. 595 00:25:28,465 --> 00:25:29,565 And a day later, 596 00:25:29,945 --> 00:25:33,605 you come from another direction entirely in your normal way 597 00:25:33,605 --> 00:25:34,725 of coming to work or whatever, 598 00:25:35,065 --> 00:25:36,725 and you know, to look at that wall. 599 00:25:37,225 --> 00:25:38,365 And if you look at that wall 600 00:25:38,385 --> 00:25:40,925 and you see that there's a chalk mark, then you know 601 00:25:40,925 --> 00:25:42,925 that there's a package waiting for you. 602 00:25:43,265 --> 00:25:44,285 You know? So you'll go 603 00:25:44,285 --> 00:25:46,485 and retrieve that package when you can, 604 00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:48,805 and if it's secure, that gets into the real 605 00:25:48,805 --> 00:25:50,005 clandestine stuff like that. 606 00:25:50,005 --> 00:25:52,045 But see, see the difference between CIA 607 00:25:52,045 --> 00:25:54,045 and the FBI, I mean, I don't have a badge. 608 00:25:54,525 --> 00:25:57,725 I can't go to anybody overseas and to a CIA badge 609 00:25:57,745 --> 00:25:59,565 and say, you gotta talk to me there. 610 00:26:00,105 --> 00:26:02,085 No, you know, I'll get arrested and thrown in jail. 611 00:26:02,515 --> 00:26:05,885 - It's interesting that you bring up that in your example. 612 00:26:06,215 --> 00:26:08,925 Let's just say it's somebody who needs money 613 00:26:09,145 --> 00:26:11,205 or is financially in trouble. 614 00:26:11,345 --> 00:26:15,085 And that's certainly, I, I imagine one 615 00:26:15,085 --> 00:26:17,885 of the biggest indicators of someone who'd be willing 616 00:26:17,885 --> 00:26:20,365 to help because they're desperate for their situation. 617 00:26:21,035 --> 00:26:23,965 Sure. This is such an important thing, I think, 618 00:26:24,185 --> 00:26:26,445 in our own United States government 619 00:26:26,865 --> 00:26:29,245 of why if you're a politician with debts 620 00:26:29,985 --> 00:26:32,925 or, you know, heavily involved in the stock market 621 00:26:33,025 --> 00:26:35,965 or anything like that, I think that's, that's a big, 622 00:26:36,115 --> 00:26:40,485 huge red flag of a easily compromised individual. 623 00:26:41,195 --> 00:26:42,645 - Yeah. And the Chinese, 624 00:26:43,085 --> 00:26:45,355 especially the Chinese, are all over us. 625 00:26:45,435 --> 00:26:47,195 I mean, the Chinese are the best in the 626 00:26:47,195 --> 00:26:48,275 world at this sort of thing. 627 00:26:48,625 --> 00:26:52,115 They've been stealing our data for decades, 628 00:26:52,455 --> 00:26:53,755 not just the last couple years. 629 00:26:53,755 --> 00:26:55,075 They've been stealing it for decades. 630 00:26:55,695 --> 00:26:59,875 In 2015, last year, it was reported in 2015, 631 00:26:59,905 --> 00:27:02,715 started in like 2013 and went on. 632 00:27:03,175 --> 00:27:05,715 But there's a, a place called the, uh, office 633 00:27:05,775 --> 00:27:08,195 of Personnel Management, OPM. 634 00:27:08,815 --> 00:27:11,995 And guys like me, when you, when you become a CIA officer 635 00:27:12,175 --> 00:27:13,755 or any, you know, in intelligence officer 636 00:27:13,815 --> 00:27:17,275 or an FBI, you know, agent for that matter, you have 637 00:27:17,275 --> 00:27:20,715 to fill out forms that are like this thick. 638 00:27:20,905 --> 00:27:22,275 Everybody's gotta fill 'em out. 639 00:27:22,275 --> 00:27:23,915 And they're a security questionnaire. 640 00:27:23,975 --> 00:27:27,315 And it's all about who you are, what you are, 641 00:27:27,405 --> 00:27:30,195 where you live, who your neighbors were, you know, 642 00:27:30,565 --> 00:27:32,475 where your banks are, all that kind of stuff. 643 00:27:32,855 --> 00:27:35,035 And then they can do the background investigation on you, 644 00:27:35,035 --> 00:27:37,515 and then they can see if what you told 'em, you know, 645 00:27:37,515 --> 00:27:39,835 turns out to be true or, you know, that kind of deal. 646 00:27:40,255 --> 00:27:41,315 So everybody had to do that. 647 00:27:41,495 --> 00:27:44,475 All those, those forms were held by OPM 648 00:27:45,135 --> 00:27:48,435 and the Chinese back in between 2013 649 00:27:48,435 --> 00:27:52,235 and 2015, stole 22 million of those farms. 650 00:27:52,655 --> 00:27:55,755 22 million, not just one or two, 651 00:27:55,855 --> 00:27:58,635 or, oh, they snuck Brian Fairchild's file out. 652 00:27:58,635 --> 00:27:59,755 They just grabbed him. 653 00:28:00,055 --> 00:28:03,435 We found out about it in a, you know, a belated way. 654 00:28:03,555 --> 00:28:04,915 I mean, it wasn't like we were so sharp. 655 00:28:04,935 --> 00:28:07,155 We were like, Hey, the Chinese are stealing our stuff. 656 00:28:07,335 --> 00:28:09,075 You know, we found out afterwards, 657 00:28:09,295 --> 00:28:12,515 the OPM wrote me an actual letter saying, Hey, Mr. 658 00:28:12,585 --> 00:28:14,755 Fairchild, you know, you're one of those guys, , 659 00:28:14,905 --> 00:28:16,115 they stole your stuff. 660 00:28:16,415 --> 00:28:19,315 And so for the next 10 years, if you have any problems, 661 00:28:19,315 --> 00:28:21,195 like all of a sudden your bank account's cleaned out 662 00:28:21,195 --> 00:28:23,595 or anything, contact us and we'll reimburse you. 663 00:28:23,735 --> 00:28:25,355 You know, that that's what they told me. 664 00:28:25,775 --> 00:28:29,995 But the point is that they've got information on me, my, my, 665 00:28:30,295 --> 00:28:33,395 my family, my son, my daughter, you know, 666 00:28:33,565 --> 00:28:36,755 let's say they get into a security situation, you know, 667 00:28:36,755 --> 00:28:39,075 they know so much about us that they, 668 00:28:39,225 --> 00:28:41,115 they can already build pitches or, 669 00:28:41,335 --> 00:28:44,155 or maybe try to do a, a cold pitch 670 00:28:44,215 --> 00:28:46,195 or maybe try to do a coercive pitch 671 00:28:46,765 --> 00:28:48,475 based on some kind of a vulnerability. 672 00:28:48,835 --> 00:28:50,355 I mean, you see it in the movies all the time. 673 00:28:50,495 --> 00:28:53,235 People coercing other people to do this stuff. 674 00:28:53,695 --> 00:28:55,755 And it kind of, it is like 675 00:28:55,755 --> 00:28:57,995 that in counter-terrorism operations, 676 00:28:58,295 --> 00:29:00,555 but not in espionage operations like this. 677 00:29:00,555 --> 00:29:02,475 Because if you force somebody 678 00:29:02,535 --> 00:29:04,155 to do something against their will sooner 679 00:29:04,155 --> 00:29:05,275 or later, they're gonna screw you. 680 00:29:05,465 --> 00:29:07,555 They're gonna say, I'm gonna get you back, man. 681 00:29:07,575 --> 00:29:09,595 You're bullying me. You're forcing me. 682 00:29:09,675 --> 00:29:10,675 I don't wanna be doing this. 683 00:29:10,675 --> 00:29:12,035 You're putting my life in danger, 684 00:29:12,415 --> 00:29:13,835 and I've gotta do it right now 685 00:29:13,835 --> 00:29:15,715 because you're holding this thing over my head, 686 00:29:15,735 --> 00:29:17,035 but I'm gonna get, you know, sooner 687 00:29:17,035 --> 00:29:18,635 or later, you know, they'll get you. 688 00:29:18,635 --> 00:29:21,315 So it's not a good policy to, to coerce people 689 00:29:21,455 --> 00:29:22,995 to be, become spies. 690 00:29:23,975 --> 00:29:26,155 But, but yeah. So that's the difference between, uh, 691 00:29:26,155 --> 00:29:28,795 like a law enforcement, federal law enforcement, like FBI 692 00:29:28,795 --> 00:29:30,275 and spy agencies. 693 00:29:30,795 --> 00:29:33,355 - I know that China is certainly a big threat. 694 00:29:33,655 --> 00:29:37,755 Uh, did the Cold War ever end, in your opinion, with Russia? 695 00:29:38,135 --> 00:29:41,445 It feels to me like it's still pretty rocking and rolling. 696 00:29:42,275 --> 00:29:44,645 - Yeah, the Cold War never ended for them. 697 00:29:45,245 --> 00:29:47,685 , the Cold War ended for us, 698 00:29:48,225 --> 00:29:51,085 and it was a big deal when it ended for us, 699 00:29:51,715 --> 00:29:55,685 because we we're just not, you know, to tell you the truth, 700 00:29:55,735 --> 00:29:58,965 Susan, and, and I was a, a excellent CIA officer. 701 00:29:59,205 --> 00:30:00,925 I came with a great pedigree and, 702 00:30:01,185 --> 00:30:04,125 and, uh, you know, I I I did a lot of cool things, 703 00:30:04,865 --> 00:30:07,965 but, you know, we're not really very good at this stuff. 704 00:30:08,305 --> 00:30:10,725 You know, America as an institution, 705 00:30:10,725 --> 00:30:13,285 the United States of America isn't very good at this stuff. 706 00:30:13,405 --> 00:30:16,165 I mean, when you think of all the times where we had the 707 00:30:16,725 --> 00:30:20,645 ultimate advantage after World War ii, Europe is decimated. 708 00:30:20,745 --> 00:30:24,085 We have the atomic bomb, you know, nobody else has it. 709 00:30:24,385 --> 00:30:27,605 We couldn't figure out how to keep that position. Right? 710 00:30:27,785 --> 00:30:29,525 And so the Soviets built the bomb, 711 00:30:29,525 --> 00:30:31,605 and then the, the, the Chinese built the bomb, 712 00:30:31,625 --> 00:30:32,965 and Israelis built the bomb. 713 00:30:32,965 --> 00:30:34,285 And we just couldn't do anything. 714 00:30:34,305 --> 00:30:36,805 And North Korea is a, is a perfect example 715 00:30:36,985 --> 00:30:38,485 for my entire life. 716 00:30:38,785 --> 00:30:41,645 The US policy for North Korea was 717 00:30:41,645 --> 00:30:44,565 to prevent it from becoming an atomic power. 718 00:30:45,185 --> 00:30:47,365 And it is and our 719 00:30:47,535 --> 00:30:51,045 - Right - And artificial line is still not to allow it 720 00:30:51,045 --> 00:30:53,805 to become a nuclearized, you know, sure. 721 00:30:54,235 --> 00:30:57,205 Company, but it is already country, but it's already there. 722 00:30:57,565 --> 00:31:00,405 'cause we couldn't do, we, we didn't exert our influence 723 00:31:00,425 --> 00:31:02,445 or do anything to, to prevent that. 724 00:31:02,465 --> 00:31:03,485 You know, we just watched 725 00:31:03,735 --> 00:31:04,735 - Right? 726 00:31:04,735 --> 00:31:06,405 If uranium suddenly disappears, 727 00:31:06,575 --> 00:31:09,525 these places aren't even guarded that well, unfortunately, 728 00:31:09,525 --> 00:31:11,125 especially in places like Russia. 729 00:31:12,425 --> 00:31:15,685 So it's not a surprise when Yeah, when chunks 730 00:31:15,685 --> 00:31:16,725 of things go missing. 731 00:31:17,615 --> 00:31:19,605 - Right. The, the countries themselves 732 00:31:20,115 --> 00:31:21,405 have their own programs. 733 00:31:21,505 --> 00:31:24,285 How long have you heard the United States say, you know, 734 00:31:24,335 --> 00:31:26,925 we're not going to allow Iran to become a nuclear power. 735 00:31:27,195 --> 00:31:28,845 Iran is a nuclear power today. Yeah. 736 00:31:29,745 --> 00:31:31,925 - But don't you feel like it's only a matter of time 737 00:31:32,305 --> 00:31:33,365 for these things to happen 738 00:31:34,185 --> 00:31:35,185 - As, yeah. 739 00:31:35,185 --> 00:31:37,565 And so my my point is that we're, 740 00:31:37,695 --> 00:31:39,685 we're just not very good at this stuff, . 741 00:31:39,865 --> 00:31:42,565 And so, you know, I mean, we did great operations 742 00:31:42,865 --> 00:31:45,765 and special operations guys do fantastic operations, 743 00:31:45,765 --> 00:31:47,605 and they're the best special operators in the world. 744 00:31:47,985 --> 00:31:50,245 But as a nation, we don't know how, 745 00:31:50,915 --> 00:31:54,965 once we have attained power to maintain power and keep power 746 00:31:55,145 --> 00:31:57,165 and, uh, exert influence 747 00:31:57,185 --> 00:31:59,045 and stuff, you know, so here's a, 748 00:31:59,045 --> 00:32:00,245 here's what actually happened. 749 00:32:01,145 --> 00:32:04,485 We, uh, we beat the Soviets in the Cold War, right? 750 00:32:04,905 --> 00:32:08,085 But a lot of it happened to do with hap happened to, to be, 751 00:32:08,085 --> 00:32:10,605 because the Soviet economy was terrible. 752 00:32:10,745 --> 00:32:12,165 We kept putting pressure on them. 753 00:32:12,425 --> 00:32:14,765 You know, we did the, the Star Wars program. 754 00:32:14,955 --> 00:32:16,165 They couldn't keep up with us. 755 00:32:16,375 --> 00:32:18,845 Their people were disenfranchised and, 756 00:32:19,425 --> 00:32:20,925 and they rebelled themselves. 757 00:32:21,105 --> 00:32:23,805 And, you know, then they went to Afghanistan like we did, 758 00:32:24,225 --> 00:32:26,165 you know, screwed that whole thing up, kind 759 00:32:26,165 --> 00:32:28,925 of like we did their own people rebelled against them. 760 00:32:28,945 --> 00:32:30,085 And finally they fell. 761 00:32:30,185 --> 00:32:32,965 And when they fell and they fell in 1991, 762 00:32:33,415 --> 00:32:36,525 there was a guy in Congress by the name 763 00:32:36,525 --> 00:32:39,925 of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, an old Daniel Patrick Moynihan, 764 00:32:39,985 --> 00:32:44,445 was in the front pages of paper every day, a flamboyant guy, 765 00:32:44,605 --> 00:32:47,005 a brilliant congressman, and all this sort of thing. 766 00:32:47,545 --> 00:32:50,165 And after the Soviet Union fell, he came up 767 00:32:50,165 --> 00:32:53,325 to James Woolsey, who was then the director of CIA. 768 00:32:53,325 --> 00:32:57,445 And he said, James, you guys did a great job. 769 00:32:57,705 --> 00:32:59,685 You beat the Soviets way to go. 770 00:32:59,785 --> 00:33:03,525 You won the Cold War, but do we even need a CIA anymore? 771 00:33:04,025 --> 00:33:07,005 You know, I mean, why do we even need you guys? Right? 772 00:33:07,235 --> 00:33:09,645 This is how we handle things. Right? 773 00:33:09,705 --> 00:33:12,645 And, and, but it wasn't just Daniel Patrick Moynihan. 774 00:33:12,785 --> 00:33:16,085 It was all the politicians, all the presidents. 775 00:33:16,475 --> 00:33:20,085 They actually coined a phrase, there was an end to history. 776 00:33:20,705 --> 00:33:24,045 We had beaten the Soviet Union. What more can you expect? 777 00:33:24,105 --> 00:33:26,245 You know, we are the leading country of the world. 778 00:33:26,625 --> 00:33:28,685 Europe was in, in tatters, 779 00:33:28,685 --> 00:33:30,645 and we rebuilt Europe in the Marshall Plan. 780 00:33:30,945 --> 00:33:33,365 We are the guys that, there's never gonna be any guys 781 00:33:33,365 --> 00:33:35,845 that are gonna ever contest us again. 782 00:33:35,955 --> 00:33:38,805 There's an end of history. Why do we even need a CIA? 783 00:33:39,465 --> 00:33:44,445 So from 1991 to 2001 CIA was a, 784 00:33:44,475 --> 00:33:49,165 like a rudderless ocean going vessel, right? 785 00:33:49,465 --> 00:33:51,125 It had no primary mission 786 00:33:51,125 --> 00:33:52,765 because we were created basically 787 00:33:52,865 --> 00:33:54,725 to go after the Soviet Union. 788 00:33:54,755 --> 00:33:58,325 That was the reason for the creation of CIA in 1947. 789 00:33:59,545 --> 00:34:02,205 And so for 10 years, the poor CIA, 790 00:34:02,385 --> 00:34:03,445 you know, is running around. 791 00:34:03,605 --> 00:34:06,525 I mean, James Woolsey joked, there, there was a time, 792 00:34:06,585 --> 00:34:09,125 you might have seen it in, uh, in a newsreel 793 00:34:09,125 --> 00:34:10,165 or something in, in the past, 794 00:34:10,625 --> 00:34:14,925 but Cessna aircraft accidentally crashed in into the, 795 00:34:15,105 --> 00:34:16,925 the front lawn of the White House. 796 00:34:17,545 --> 00:34:19,045 And that was a big, oh my God, 797 00:34:19,065 --> 00:34:20,085 you know, that was a big deal. 798 00:34:20,235 --> 00:34:22,445 Well, Jim Bull, Jim Woolsey would joke about that 799 00:34:22,465 --> 00:34:24,525 and say, that was me trying to get in to see Clinton. 800 00:34:24,885 --> 00:34:26,245 'cause Clinton didn't even wanna see him. 801 00:34:26,385 --> 00:34:27,645 You know, he only saw his, 802 00:34:27,755 --> 00:34:30,845 Clinton only saw his CIA director like three times 803 00:34:30,985 --> 00:34:32,685 during Jim Woolsey's tenure. 804 00:34:33,155 --> 00:34:35,525 - Meanwhile, the internet is getting stronger, 805 00:34:35,825 --> 00:34:38,605 and the global powers are getting more connected. 806 00:34:38,755 --> 00:34:39,885 Yeah. And it's a, 807 00:34:39,945 --> 00:34:43,205 and it's a lawless land without any safeguards. 808 00:34:44,005 --> 00:34:47,085 - Absolutely. And like you said before, I mean, China 809 00:34:47,145 --> 00:34:50,285 and Russia never stopped being in the Cold War, 810 00:34:50,705 --> 00:34:53,765 and they looked at us taking this hiatus, you know, like, 811 00:34:53,895 --> 00:34:55,765 great, you guys do your thing, 812 00:34:55,785 --> 00:34:58,125 and we're gonna build up capabilities 813 00:34:58,235 --> 00:35:00,605 that specifically target your vulnerabilities. 814 00:35:01,105 --> 00:35:03,325 And that's what they did for 10 years, right? 815 00:35:03,325 --> 00:35:06,605 Rudderless, the guy, George Tenet, who was director 816 00:35:07,145 --> 00:35:11,725 in 2001 at the door at the nine 11 attacks by Al-Qaeda. 817 00:35:12,355 --> 00:35:15,925 Well, that 10 years later, from 1991 to 2001, 818 00:35:16,165 --> 00:35:19,125 September 11th, CIA was a rudderless, you know, 819 00:35:19,125 --> 00:35:20,525 rudderless boat ship. 820 00:35:20,625 --> 00:35:23,165 And all of a sudden they got their new primary mission, 821 00:35:23,265 --> 00:35:25,685 and it was terrorism, counter-terrorism, 822 00:35:25,685 --> 00:35:27,285 because Al-Qaeda attacked us. 823 00:35:27,785 --> 00:35:32,165 Now, J uh, George Tenet said that at that time, they were 824 00:35:32,165 --> 00:35:33,645 beyond beside themselves. 825 00:35:33,645 --> 00:35:37,885 Because CIA was basically in chapter 11 bankruptcy. 826 00:35:38,325 --> 00:35:40,485 I mean, the, the farm was in disrepair. 827 00:35:40,485 --> 00:35:42,925 The farm is a place that is our training facility. 828 00:35:43,225 --> 00:35:46,525 The farm was in disrepair. We had closed stations and bases. 829 00:35:46,755 --> 00:35:48,925 They forced me and my brothers out. 830 00:35:49,365 --> 00:35:52,245 I was in Tokyo in 1995, came time for me 831 00:35:52,245 --> 00:35:53,565 to choose my next assignment. 832 00:35:53,665 --> 00:35:56,205 And I said, well, send me anywhere. I don't care. 833 00:35:56,205 --> 00:35:57,765 You'll just send me anywhere. I like this. 834 00:35:58,105 --> 00:35:59,805 And they said, no, come back to headquarters. 835 00:36:00,505 --> 00:36:03,325 And Susan, nobody ever, if, if you're a CIA officer 836 00:36:03,985 --> 00:36:07,525 and your, your job as a recruit foreign spies, you, 837 00:36:07,545 --> 00:36:10,285 you can't do that from the hallways 838 00:36:10,285 --> 00:36:12,365 and corridors of headquarters, right? 839 00:36:12,425 --> 00:36:14,485 So you never wanted to come back to headquarters, 840 00:36:14,615 --> 00:36:16,285 you'd do anything to stay overseas. 841 00:36:16,285 --> 00:36:18,685 That's what you did. That's who you are, you know? 842 00:36:19,265 --> 00:36:21,445 So I wrote and said, nah, I don't wanna come back 843 00:36:21,445 --> 00:36:22,645 to headquarters, you know, send me, 844 00:36:22,815 --> 00:36:25,565 where does no one else want to go find a place 845 00:36:25,565 --> 00:36:27,525 that nobody else wants to go and send me? 846 00:36:27,595 --> 00:36:29,005 I'll go. And, uh, 847 00:36:29,065 --> 00:36:30,885 and they said, nah, come back to headquarters. 848 00:36:31,585 --> 00:36:34,405 And I said, well, look, okay, if I can't, if you don't want 849 00:36:34,405 --> 00:36:36,925 to send me to any place, nobody else wants to go 850 00:36:36,985 --> 00:36:39,925 and nobody's going, well, they'll send me to the farm 851 00:36:40,025 --> 00:36:42,405 and I'll teach other guys how to be a case officer. 852 00:36:42,635 --> 00:36:44,085 They said, no, I'll come back to headquarters. 853 00:36:44,665 --> 00:36:45,645 And then they finally came 854 00:36:45,645 --> 00:36:46,725 back and said, look, here's the deal. 855 00:36:47,465 --> 00:36:49,715 We don't really want you guys anymore. 856 00:36:50,055 --> 00:36:51,835 Why don't you take early retirement? 857 00:36:51,885 --> 00:36:55,475 We'll give you, in fact, we'll give you an early out bonus. 858 00:36:56,005 --> 00:36:57,115 We'll give you lots of money, 859 00:36:57,615 --> 00:36:59,315 and you can take your retirement 860 00:36:59,375 --> 00:37:01,555 and the early out bonus that we're gonna give you, 861 00:37:02,095 --> 00:37:03,075 and you have a lot of money 862 00:37:03,075 --> 00:37:04,275 and you can start a whole new career. 863 00:37:04,495 --> 00:37:05,555 Why don't you guys do that? 864 00:37:05,705 --> 00:37:08,475 Because they basically didn't want us anymore. Right? 865 00:37:08,625 --> 00:37:10,875 They said there was an end to history. 866 00:37:11,335 --> 00:37:14,715 Do we even need you guys how they'd rather spend the peace 867 00:37:15,075 --> 00:37:16,235 dividend is what they called it, 868 00:37:16,575 --> 00:37:19,715 the peace dividend in their own constituencies 869 00:37:19,815 --> 00:37:21,795 and for their own personal purposes. 870 00:37:22,095 --> 00:37:23,395 And so that's what they did. 871 00:37:23,735 --> 00:37:26,635 So for 10 years, the CIA was rudderless. 872 00:37:27,025 --> 00:37:30,155 Then in 2001, they get the new mission 873 00:37:30,375 --> 00:37:31,395 and it's counter-terrorism. 874 00:37:31,495 --> 00:37:34,475 And for 20 years thereafter, they do nothing 875 00:37:34,935 --> 00:37:35,955 but counter-terrorism. 876 00:37:36,415 --> 00:37:39,555 But it's not, it's not even strategic counter-terrorism. 877 00:37:39,655 --> 00:37:42,195 See, that's the thing we're the CIA was the premier 878 00:37:42,755 --> 00:37:45,475 strategic intelligence agency, which meant the big picture. 879 00:37:46,055 --> 00:37:48,795 Who are their enemies? Who are enemies, allies? 880 00:37:48,935 --> 00:37:50,715 Why are they the allies of our enemies? 881 00:37:50,745 --> 00:37:52,755 What kind of military capability do they have? 882 00:37:52,985 --> 00:37:54,315 What are their foreign policies? 883 00:37:54,375 --> 00:37:56,115 Why are they going to Latin America? 884 00:37:56,255 --> 00:37:57,915 Why are they going to, to Africa? 885 00:37:58,025 --> 00:37:59,035 What, you know, what, what, 886 00:37:59,035 --> 00:38:00,475 what are the answers to these questions? 887 00:38:00,475 --> 00:38:02,955 So our policy makers can make good policy 888 00:38:03,585 --> 00:38:04,995 regarding those, those things. 889 00:38:04,995 --> 00:38:08,275 That's what spies do when they focused on. 890 00:38:08,495 --> 00:38:10,515 So, so that's strategic intelligence. 891 00:38:10,895 --> 00:38:13,635 But when we got into involved in counter-terrorism, 892 00:38:14,335 --> 00:38:16,595 people like to say it was strategic 893 00:38:16,595 --> 00:38:17,915 counter-terrorism, but it wasn't. 894 00:38:17,915 --> 00:38:18,955 The reason they say that is 895 00:38:18,955 --> 00:38:21,235 because we were doing counter-terrorism all over the world. 896 00:38:21,495 --> 00:38:24,275 So if you're doing it all over the world, well, it must be 897 00:38:24,795 --> 00:38:25,795 strategic, but that's not true. 898 00:38:25,935 --> 00:38:28,195 We didn't strategically, you would've gone 899 00:38:28,195 --> 00:38:30,995 after the leadership and the ideology 900 00:38:31,135 --> 00:38:33,475 and the places that supported the ideology 901 00:38:33,475 --> 00:38:35,965 and the Madras that taught the ideology. 902 00:38:35,985 --> 00:38:37,445 And, and you would do that 903 00:38:37,545 --> 00:38:41,085 and try to stem the ideology, nip it in the bud, 904 00:38:41,505 --> 00:38:44,325 and then at the same time, go after the soldiers 905 00:38:44,585 --> 00:38:47,645 and the mid-level guys try to get them out of the picture. 906 00:38:47,985 --> 00:38:49,685 And maybe you have a chance of stopping 907 00:38:50,565 --> 00:38:52,365 Islamist terrorism against, you know, 908 00:38:52,365 --> 00:38:53,525 the rest of the world. But 909 00:38:53,645 --> 00:38:54,645 - How do you fight? 910 00:38:54,645 --> 00:38:57,565 I get how you fight people, but how do you fight their ideas 911 00:38:57,745 --> 00:38:58,885 or the ideology? 912 00:38:58,885 --> 00:39:00,485 - Yeah. See that, that, that's the thing. 913 00:39:00,525 --> 00:39:02,445 I mean, it's hard to kill an idea, right? 914 00:39:02,445 --> 00:39:03,605 And you can't, but 915 00:39:03,605 --> 00:39:06,165 what you can do is you can put a kibosh on it. 916 00:39:06,665 --> 00:39:08,925 If you start dealing with Middle Eastern countries 917 00:39:09,225 --> 00:39:10,445 and you start saying, you know, 918 00:39:10,585 --> 00:39:13,525 the guys in your country are the guys that attacked us, 919 00:39:13,985 --> 00:39:16,485 and we wanna do business with you country to country, 920 00:39:16,585 --> 00:39:18,645 and we wanna have military contracts 921 00:39:18,645 --> 00:39:21,085 and all that kind of stuff, but we can't do it if you're 922 00:39:21,085 --> 00:39:22,445 supporting the ideology 923 00:39:22,515 --> 00:39:24,845 that creates the people that attack us. 924 00:39:25,265 --> 00:39:29,805 So you deal with them on a national level, like the Saudis, 925 00:39:29,805 --> 00:39:31,085 for instance, right? 926 00:39:31,385 --> 00:39:34,725 And you say, put the kibosh on these radicals, 927 00:39:34,725 --> 00:39:36,805 because not everybody in Saudi Arabia is radical. 928 00:39:37,345 --> 00:39:39,845 So you put the kibosh on the guys that are radical, 929 00:39:40,065 --> 00:39:41,565 and you make it harder for them 930 00:39:41,665 --> 00:39:44,565 to spread the ideology harder for, for, for them 931 00:39:44,565 --> 00:39:47,845 to operate according to the ideology and so forth and so on. 932 00:39:47,985 --> 00:39:50,445 But we didn't do that. We went very narrow. 933 00:39:50,585 --> 00:39:53,605 We said, we're gonna go after these leaders of Al-Qaeda, 934 00:39:53,605 --> 00:39:55,565 and we're gonna capture or kill 'em. 935 00:39:55,625 --> 00:39:57,485 And that's what we did for 20 years. 936 00:39:58,185 --> 00:39:59,725 The only thing we did for 20 years, 937 00:39:59,905 --> 00:40:01,965 it hasn't stopped Al-Qaeda, it hasn't stopped. 938 00:40:02,105 --> 00:40:04,365 The Islamic state hasn't stopped any of that stuff. 939 00:40:04,475 --> 00:40:05,885 Well, we got rid of a lot of people, 940 00:40:06,305 --> 00:40:09,285 and a lot of those people, you can't even say 941 00:40:09,875 --> 00:40:11,365 were legitimate targets 942 00:40:11,365 --> 00:40:14,925 because they were only military aged males from areas 943 00:40:14,995 --> 00:40:16,405 that had the ideology. 944 00:40:16,785 --> 00:40:18,765 And maybe they were hanging out with guys 945 00:40:18,795 --> 00:40:21,485 that had reputation of being radicals. 946 00:40:21,665 --> 00:40:23,125 So therefore they're all radicals. 947 00:40:23,125 --> 00:40:24,685 So we had to get rid of all of 'em, you know? 948 00:40:24,705 --> 00:40:25,765 And so we were doing, that's 949 00:40:25,765 --> 00:40:27,805 what we were doing in Afghanistan and Iraq 950 00:40:27,825 --> 00:40:29,125 and, and all that kind of stuff. 951 00:40:29,145 --> 00:40:30,845 So it wasn't even a strategic approach. 952 00:40:31,545 --> 00:40:33,885 But while we were not doing the strategic approach, 953 00:40:33,905 --> 00:40:35,525 and we were just doing tactical, 954 00:40:35,525 --> 00:40:38,925 basically tactical counter-terrorism operations against 955 00:40:38,995 --> 00:40:43,005 individuals themselves, we let the rest of the world grow up 956 00:40:43,005 --> 00:40:45,955 around us, and Russia grew up around us 957 00:40:45,975 --> 00:40:47,915 and became another, uh, a power again. 958 00:40:48,215 --> 00:40:51,515 You know? And China became the, the ascended power, 959 00:40:51,855 --> 00:40:53,595 you know, much more dangerous 960 00:40:53,595 --> 00:40:55,675 and powerful than anything we ever faced 961 00:40:55,855 --> 00:40:58,115 during the Soviet Union Cold War times. 962 00:40:58,535 --> 00:41:01,315 And now China is basically running the world. 963 00:41:01,855 --> 00:41:05,275 But here's what we allowed them to do in the 20 years 964 00:41:05,275 --> 00:41:09,775 that we weren't watching China became, it has the, 965 00:41:09,795 --> 00:41:12,645 the largest armed services in the world, 966 00:41:12,945 --> 00:41:14,365 the largest navy in the world, 967 00:41:14,825 --> 00:41:16,645 the largest ship building in the world, 968 00:41:17,145 --> 00:41:19,685 the largest fisheries in the world, the largest, 969 00:41:20,465 --> 00:41:22,525 the largest, uh, coast guard in the world, 970 00:41:22,545 --> 00:41:24,845 and the largest maritime militia in the world. 971 00:41:25,425 --> 00:41:26,645 And that's very important 972 00:41:26,645 --> 00:41:29,325 because when you're talking about a situation like Taiwan, 973 00:41:30,225 --> 00:41:33,405 any conflict we get involved with in China is going 974 00:41:33,405 --> 00:41:35,005 to be a naval conflict. 975 00:41:35,425 --> 00:41:36,885 And they've got the largest Navy, 976 00:41:37,025 --> 00:41:40,885 and of course they've got missiles coming out of the, 977 00:41:40,945 --> 00:41:43,765 the woodwork, including a missile called a 978 00:41:43,765 --> 00:41:44,845 hypersonic missile. 979 00:41:45,265 --> 00:41:47,005 We have no hypersonic missiles 980 00:41:47,065 --> 00:41:49,525 and hypersonic missiles we have no defense against. 981 00:41:49,985 --> 00:41:52,685 And that's not Brian Fairchild telling you this, Susan, 982 00:41:52,785 --> 00:41:55,525 that's Millie, who was just formerly the chairman 983 00:41:55,545 --> 00:41:57,725 of the joint Chiefs of staff, said, 984 00:41:57,775 --> 00:42:00,405 China has this capability, hypersonic missiles 985 00:42:00,405 --> 00:42:02,165 that we have no defense against, uh, 986 00:42:02,325 --> 00:42:04,525 a regular ballistic missile like during the Cold War, 987 00:42:04,525 --> 00:42:06,645 you know, where we're gonna blow each other, you know, 988 00:42:06,965 --> 00:42:09,605 countries off the map, they take off 989 00:42:10,305 --> 00:42:12,125 and they go basically into space, 990 00:42:12,505 --> 00:42:13,965 but there's a trajectory, right? 991 00:42:14,275 --> 00:42:16,245 They take off and they go like this, 992 00:42:16,265 --> 00:42:17,965 and then they start arcing 993 00:42:18,025 --> 00:42:19,885 and they're gonna come down on their targets. 994 00:42:20,585 --> 00:42:22,725 And because of that arc, and 995 00:42:22,725 --> 00:42:25,645 because you can see, you know, we have sensors 996 00:42:25,645 --> 00:42:28,325 that can see them firing their ballistic missiles, 997 00:42:28,665 --> 00:42:30,965 we can track where the target is. 998 00:42:31,385 --> 00:42:34,925 And if you have an anti ballistic missile capability as 999 00:42:34,925 --> 00:42:37,925 that missile is going into, its a, you can shoot it down, 1000 00:42:38,305 --> 00:42:42,645 but a hypersonic missile can be launched from a submarine, 1001 00:42:42,745 --> 00:42:45,565 can be launched from an aircraft, can be, can be, 1002 00:42:45,785 --> 00:42:46,965 you know, sent into space. 1003 00:42:47,185 --> 00:42:50,605 But once it comes back down, it doesn't go, eh, 1004 00:42:51,185 --> 00:42:53,405 and boom, it goes Mm mm 1005 00:42:53,865 --> 00:42:55,805 - Oh, it's wiggler, it says serpentine, 1006 00:42:56,025 --> 00:42:58,005 - And it goes around your air defenses. 1007 00:42:58,005 --> 00:43:00,685 And not only that, but it's doing that at like, 1008 00:43:00,685 --> 00:43:03,525 maybe 10 times the speed of sound. 1009 00:43:03,745 --> 00:43:05,365 So at 10 times the speed of sound, 1010 00:43:05,625 --> 00:43:08,325 our air defenses can't even track. 1011 00:43:08,325 --> 00:43:11,205 It doesn't even see I'm, it goes by, right? 1012 00:43:11,305 --> 00:43:14,125 And, and your air defense capability didn't go, Hey, 1013 00:43:14,225 --> 00:43:16,005 you know, we, we got a threat. 1014 00:43:16,145 --> 00:43:17,845 No, , you know, they didn't even see the threat 1015 00:43:17,915 --> 00:43:19,285 because the thing is, you know, 1016 00:43:19,285 --> 00:43:20,685 going in at hypersonic speeds. 1017 00:43:21,065 --> 00:43:23,045 And so we can't stop 'em. 1018 00:43:23,065 --> 00:43:25,685 And that also means that from the time it fires 1019 00:43:25,705 --> 00:43:26,925 to the time it hits us, 1020 00:43:27,345 --> 00:43:29,165 is really a shortened length of time. 1021 00:43:29,745 --> 00:43:31,165 So when you're talking about Taiwan 1022 00:43:31,425 --> 00:43:35,325 and China, the Chinese have missiles up and down the coast. 1023 00:43:35,725 --> 00:43:38,525 I mean, there's no way we can get within a thousand miles 1024 00:43:38,545 --> 00:43:40,645 of China without them seeing us 1025 00:43:40,825 --> 00:43:43,845 and without them being able to fire their missiles. 1026 00:43:43,845 --> 00:43:45,245 Not just hypersonic missiles, 1027 00:43:45,245 --> 00:43:46,645 but other missiles in included. 1028 00:43:47,185 --> 00:43:50,885 But the Chinese recently did studies saying, if we did three 1029 00:43:51,825 --> 00:43:55,845 salvos of I think six hypersonic missiles, each salvo, 1030 00:43:56,225 --> 00:43:58,445 we could wipe out all of your aircraft carriers. 1031 00:43:59,705 --> 00:44:01,005 See? Now that's one of the reasons 1032 00:44:01,315 --> 00:44:05,525 that when you saw China encircling Taiwan like five times 1033 00:44:05,785 --> 00:44:08,165 now, you know, and basically putting a, uh, 1034 00:44:08,565 --> 00:44:10,845 a blockade in place that 1035 00:44:11,605 --> 00:44:15,505 the United States forces stood way back, we watched, 1036 00:44:15,605 --> 00:44:16,785 but we never got involved. 1037 00:44:16,785 --> 00:44:20,465 We didn't do what we're doing in the Red Sea now, right? 1038 00:44:20,525 --> 00:44:21,865 We do that in the Red Sea now 1039 00:44:21,865 --> 00:44:25,425 because Iran, yeah, they've got some missiles 1040 00:44:25,425 --> 00:44:27,225 and they've, they're giving their missiles to the proxies 1041 00:44:27,225 --> 00:44:29,465 and the proxies are shooting at 'em, but they don't, 1042 00:44:29,465 --> 00:44:32,165 and they, and they, Iran has a hypersonic missile, 1043 00:44:32,165 --> 00:44:33,525 but they don't have so many of 'em 1044 00:44:33,525 --> 00:44:35,565 that we can't respond to 'em and wipe 'em out. 1045 00:44:35,945 --> 00:44:37,365 But China does. China 1046 00:44:37,495 --> 00:44:39,485 - Wants Taiwan, obviously. 1047 00:44:39,745 --> 00:44:43,885 But do you think that China would be so bold as to attack 1048 00:44:44,425 --> 00:44:46,445 the country of the United States of America? 1049 00:44:47,105 --> 00:44:52,085 But that mutually assured destruction sounding bell seems 1050 00:44:52,085 --> 00:44:53,965 to pop in my head thinking, well, 1051 00:44:54,235 --> 00:44:56,365 they gotta be crazy to do that. 1052 00:44:56,835 --> 00:45:00,405 - Yeah. But see, all those missiles aren't nuclear missiles. 1053 00:45:00,515 --> 00:45:01,885 They're just normal missiles. 1054 00:45:01,885 --> 00:45:04,165 They're, you know, there's normal kinetic missiles. 1055 00:45:04,345 --> 00:45:06,565 Now, the hypersonic missile can be both. 1056 00:45:06,665 --> 00:45:09,765 It can have a nuclear warhead or a conventional warhead. 1057 00:45:10,175 --> 00:45:11,885 Let's just take the situation in Taiwan. 1058 00:45:13,365 --> 00:45:15,635 We're scared to death of getting too close to, to China 1059 00:45:15,635 --> 00:45:17,115 because of their missile capability. 1060 00:45:17,335 --> 00:45:18,955 And they've got submarine capability 1061 00:45:18,975 --> 00:45:20,515 and they've got, you know, they've got everything 1062 00:45:20,515 --> 00:45:22,715 that we've got, you know, and they've got pretty much as, 1063 00:45:22,895 --> 00:45:25,555 as well as we do, a lot of people will say, oh, yeah, 1064 00:45:25,575 --> 00:45:27,515 but the US technology is better. 1065 00:45:27,515 --> 00:45:30,235 Well, you know, most experts I know, say we, 1066 00:45:30,335 --> 00:45:34,075 we may have a couple of destroyers that have a little better 1067 00:45:34,805 --> 00:45:39,035 radar than the, the 0 55 does, you know, for China. 1068 00:45:39,575 --> 00:45:41,715 But it's so narrow that it really doesn't matter. 1069 00:45:41,735 --> 00:45:44,315 And they have so many of them, and we have so few. 1070 00:45:44,865 --> 00:45:48,235 There's a quality in quantity all of its own. 1071 00:45:48,735 --> 00:45:50,275 So the same thing with submarine 1072 00:45:50,275 --> 00:45:51,595 hunters and all that kind of stuff. 1073 00:45:51,735 --> 00:45:53,115 So here's the deal. 1074 00:45:54,735 --> 00:45:58,425 If China attacks Taiwan, 1075 00:45:59,325 --> 00:46:00,705 and it doesn't even attack Taiwan 1076 00:46:00,845 --> 00:46:02,065 and blow it up with missiles 1077 00:46:02,065 --> 00:46:04,545 and try to, you know, storm the beaches like D-Day, 1078 00:46:04,845 --> 00:46:06,505 it puts a blockade around it. 1079 00:46:07,015 --> 00:46:08,385 What can the United States do? 1080 00:46:09,015 --> 00:46:12,385 Well, unless we're willing to go to war and have our, 1081 00:46:12,645 --> 00:46:15,305 and imagine the United States of America 1082 00:46:16,085 --> 00:46:17,825 having its premier 1083 00:46:19,105 --> 00:46:21,105 aircraft carrier strike group sunk. 1084 00:46:22,095 --> 00:46:24,945 What would that do to the, to the United States of America 1085 00:46:25,085 --> 00:46:29,025 and to our reputation, what allies of ours would say, 1086 00:46:29,485 --> 00:46:33,265 let us rush to your cap, to your aid, given the fact 1087 00:46:33,265 --> 00:46:34,665 that we don't have anything close to 1088 00:46:34,665 --> 00:46:35,865 what you have in the United States, and 1089 00:46:35,865 --> 00:46:36,985 you just got yourself wiped out. 1090 00:46:37,445 --> 00:46:40,585 See? So you start seeing that it's not like all of a sudden, 1091 00:46:40,925 --> 00:46:43,585 you know, article five and NATO takes effect, and, 1092 00:46:43,685 --> 00:46:45,905 and everybody goes to World War, you know, 1093 00:46:46,185 --> 00:46:48,185 'cause they can go, well, they didn't really attack it 1094 00:46:48,185 --> 00:46:49,225 with nuclear missiles and, 1095 00:46:49,285 --> 00:46:52,105 and they basically have the upper hand on all of us, and, 1096 00:46:52,165 --> 00:46:53,345 and we need their trade. 1097 00:46:53,925 --> 00:46:55,745 So I, I think I'm gonna s this one out. 1098 00:46:56,005 --> 00:46:57,025 - And it's tricky too, right? 1099 00:46:57,025 --> 00:47:00,185 Because we can't really sanction not really sanctions in 1100 00:47:00,185 --> 00:47:03,185 China because we owe them a a lot of money. 1101 00:47:03,585 --> 00:47:04,585 B, they run our, 1102 00:47:04,585 --> 00:47:06,985 pretty much our entire electronics industry, 1103 00:47:07,745 --> 00:47:08,745 - . 1104 00:47:08,745 --> 00:47:09,385 Well, and it's, and it works both ways. 1105 00:47:09,485 --> 00:47:11,225 See, the, the, that's another thing 1106 00:47:11,225 --> 00:47:14,785 that the United States let happen during the hiatus 1107 00:47:14,785 --> 00:47:18,585 of not having a strategic spy agency, is that 1108 00:47:19,245 --> 00:47:21,945 we became China and the, the Chinese 1109 00:47:22,045 --> 00:47:24,425 and American economy became so entangled 1110 00:47:24,975 --> 00:47:27,025 that we can't unentangle ourselves. 1111 00:47:27,605 --> 00:47:29,565 But what what we can do is we can, 1112 00:47:30,065 --> 00:47:32,765 we can look at specific technologies that we can try 1113 00:47:32,765 --> 00:47:35,245 to deprive them of, but it, and, 1114 00:47:35,265 --> 00:47:37,845 and so we've initiated sanctions against China 1115 00:47:37,985 --> 00:47:39,205 and against everybody, right? 1116 00:47:39,225 --> 00:47:41,205 The sanctions didn't stop Russia. I 1117 00:47:41,205 --> 00:47:42,885 - Mean, I don't think they really work that well. 1118 00:47:43,035 --> 00:47:44,725 - Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they punish people 1119 00:47:44,825 --> 00:47:45,845 and they, they hurt, 1120 00:47:45,865 --> 00:47:48,365 but they get, they figure out ways around them. 1121 00:47:48,785 --> 00:47:50,365 So sanctions isn't gonna work. 1122 00:47:50,745 --> 00:47:54,085 So, you know, unless you have hard military power 1123 00:47:54,545 --> 00:47:56,405 and an enemy knows that they're going 1124 00:47:56,405 --> 00:47:58,885 to pay a dear price if they take you on, 1125 00:47:59,595 --> 00:48:00,725 there's no deterrence. 1126 00:48:01,105 --> 00:48:03,965 And one of the things you'll find bandied about, you know, 1127 00:48:03,965 --> 00:48:05,685 Washington, DC these days, is 1128 00:48:05,685 --> 00:48:07,885 that the United States no longer has a deterrent. 1129 00:48:08,025 --> 00:48:10,605 And that's why China's running rough shot over everybody. 1130 00:48:10,785 --> 00:48:13,485 That's why it's, you know, it's forcing the Philippines out 1131 00:48:13,485 --> 00:48:14,565 of the Philippine waters. 1132 00:48:15,025 --> 00:48:18,565 And we have A-A-A-A-A treaty with the Philippines, 1133 00:48:18,605 --> 00:48:21,405 a 1951 treaty, and we haven't done anything about it. 1134 00:48:21,465 --> 00:48:24,605 And the treaty. But the treaty, that's another thing is 1135 00:48:24,605 --> 00:48:25,925 that there's legalese, right? 1136 00:48:25,985 --> 00:48:28,325 The treaty calls for the United States 1137 00:48:28,425 --> 00:48:31,845 to defend Philippines if they're fired upon. 1138 00:48:32,545 --> 00:48:35,005 But when the Chinese are using water cannons 1139 00:48:35,225 --> 00:48:38,005 and ramming ships, instead of firing upon them, 1140 00:48:38,705 --> 00:48:40,525 the treaty really doesn't have to be enacted. 1141 00:48:40,865 --> 00:48:44,045 And what politician is gonna run into a World war 1142 00:48:44,625 --> 00:48:47,165 if the treaty hadn't even really been officially broken. 1143 00:48:47,435 --> 00:48:52,045 Yeah. And so we got Biden, who, who basically has, has 1144 00:48:53,105 --> 00:48:55,205 seeded the South China Sea 1145 00:48:55,265 --> 00:48:57,965 and the area around Taiwan to China right now. 1146 00:48:57,965 --> 00:49:00,045 We look at all the stuff we've done in the Red Sea, 1147 00:49:00,505 --> 00:49:03,765 all the naval assets, we have marine expeditionary groups, 1148 00:49:03,985 --> 00:49:06,645 all that sort of thing, gets all over the place in a Red Sea 1149 00:49:06,645 --> 00:49:08,005 and shooting down Houthis 1150 00:49:08,005 --> 00:49:09,245 missiles and all that sort of thing. 1151 00:49:09,665 --> 00:49:11,325 But there's nothing like that around Taiwan. 1152 00:49:11,945 --> 00:49:13,525 And there's the reason, the reason is 1153 00:49:13,525 --> 00:49:14,685 what I've just been explaining to you. 1154 00:49:14,685 --> 00:49:16,605 Yeah. I mean, and we've run war games, right? 1155 00:49:16,825 --> 00:49:18,805 Not just CIA, I mean the Department of Defense 1156 00:49:18,945 --> 00:49:23,765 and civilian think tanks like CSIS, you know, considered 1157 00:49:23,765 --> 00:49:26,165 to be the best think tank in the world, has run these, 1158 00:49:26,375 --> 00:49:27,485 these, uh, war games. 1159 00:49:27,905 --> 00:49:29,725 And what they've come out with is, you know, 1160 00:49:29,725 --> 00:49:32,165 after running like 64 war games 1161 00:49:32,185 --> 00:49:35,005 and all different kinds of possibilities, shapes and sizes 1162 00:49:35,005 --> 00:49:36,325 and, and capabilities and things, 1163 00:49:37,145 --> 00:49:40,045 and they said, well, the best we can say is we might 1164 00:49:40,405 --> 00:49:44,605 actually stop China from physically, you know, 1165 00:49:44,645 --> 00:49:47,725 overwhelming the, the geography of Taiwan, 1166 00:49:48,825 --> 00:49:52,285 but at such a price that we will be screwed 1167 00:49:52,345 --> 00:49:53,725 for the rest of our lives. 1168 00:49:54,005 --> 00:49:55,125 I mean, so what does that mean? 1169 00:49:55,315 --> 00:49:56,485 Well, means they'll, 1170 00:49:56,485 --> 00:49:59,885 they'll sink at least two aircraft carriers, 20 to 30 1171 00:49:59,985 --> 00:50:04,165 of our destroyers, all the men on board submarines. 1172 00:50:04,165 --> 00:50:05,845 They'll destroy some of our submarines. 1173 00:50:05,845 --> 00:50:07,245 Now we'll get our licks in 1174 00:50:07,545 --> 00:50:09,965 and we'll give them, you know, hell too. 1175 00:50:10,585 --> 00:50:13,765 But they've got the biggest, you know, strategic 1176 00:50:14,365 --> 00:50:16,405 ship building capability that can repair 1177 00:50:16,705 --> 00:50:19,005 and create new ships at a rate 1178 00:50:19,005 --> 00:50:21,245 that we can't even start to come close to. 1179 00:50:21,825 --> 00:50:24,685 So even if they take it in the shorts, 1180 00:50:25,595 --> 00:50:28,645 they can rebuild their, their navy faster than we can. 1181 00:50:28,745 --> 00:50:30,325 Mm-Hmm. And there's another thing 1182 00:50:30,325 --> 00:50:31,605 that people don't understand either. 1183 00:50:31,735 --> 00:50:35,245 China is now the leader of what 1184 00:50:36,565 --> 00:50:37,725 I call, I wrote a paper. 1185 00:50:38,045 --> 00:50:39,405 I I, you know, I've written a book, 1186 00:50:39,545 --> 00:50:41,965 but that book is, is, uh, is uh, fiction. 1187 00:50:42,705 --> 00:50:44,485 But I write analysis too. 1188 00:50:44,585 --> 00:50:48,885 And a year ago, over a year ago in October, uh, I wrote a, 1189 00:50:48,965 --> 00:50:52,845 a paper called The New Axis of Evil, the Military Block, 1190 00:50:53,105 --> 00:50:55,565 the anti-American Military Block led by China. 1191 00:50:56,485 --> 00:50:58,185 And that's the facts on the ground. 1192 00:50:58,725 --> 00:51:00,945 So China, Russia, Iran, 1193 00:51:00,945 --> 00:51:03,945 and North Korea comprised this thing called 1194 00:51:03,965 --> 00:51:05,305 the New Axis of evil. 1195 00:51:05,645 --> 00:51:07,105 Now, you can call it whatever you want. 1196 00:51:07,125 --> 00:51:11,025 You can say it's a, it's a, uh, a military alliance 1197 00:51:11,125 --> 00:51:13,065 or military block or whatever. 1198 00:51:13,065 --> 00:51:15,585 They, it doesn't matter if they have formal designations 1199 00:51:15,605 --> 00:51:18,905 and stamps on papers, they are cooperating 1200 00:51:19,445 --> 00:51:24,025 in a concerted way to make the United States and the, 1201 00:51:24,205 --> 00:51:28,585 and our allies distribute our power all over the place 1202 00:51:29,075 --> 00:51:31,025 where we can't focus on any one of 'em. 1203 00:51:31,315 --> 00:51:32,625 North Korea sounds off. 1204 00:51:32,625 --> 00:51:34,985 We send a carrier strike group up there, oh, 1205 00:51:35,045 --> 00:51:37,385 we gotta do something, you know, the things go on. 1206 00:51:37,385 --> 00:51:40,545 They, all of a sudden, the new A of evil says to Iran, Hey, 1207 00:51:40,845 --> 00:51:42,945 why don't you do something and attack Israel? 1208 00:51:43,095 --> 00:51:44,545 Because if you attack Israel, 1209 00:51:44,545 --> 00:51:46,305 the United States is gonna rush to your aid. 1210 00:51:46,565 --> 00:51:49,625 And if they rush to your aid, we can tie them down 1211 00:51:49,625 --> 00:51:51,985 and tie their missiles down, tie their subs down, 1212 00:51:52,125 --> 00:51:54,905 tie their carriers down, and we'll tie them down there. 1213 00:51:54,965 --> 00:51:57,305 And in the, you know, in North Korea, around North Korea, 1214 00:51:57,565 --> 00:51:59,985 and of course we got Taiwan taken care of. 1215 00:52:00,045 --> 00:52:02,385 And every day they're trying to figure out how 1216 00:52:02,385 --> 00:52:03,705 to get weapons to Ukraine, 1217 00:52:04,005 --> 00:52:06,585 except now their own Congress doesn't wanna support Ukraine 1218 00:52:06,585 --> 00:52:08,745 anymore, which is exactly what we want 1219 00:52:08,745 --> 00:52:09,945 as the new axis of evil. 1220 00:52:10,505 --> 00:52:12,905 - I feel like there's this, this huge campaign 1221 00:52:12,905 --> 00:52:17,465 that has been incredibly successful in the United States to 1222 00:52:19,075 --> 00:52:20,425 manipulate Oh, yeah. 1223 00:52:20,925 --> 00:52:23,145 The, the people online. Oh, yeah. 1224 00:52:23,525 --> 00:52:26,025 So Putin, and that to me is bonkers. 1225 00:52:26,045 --> 00:52:28,665 All these people don't seem to really understand 1226 00:52:29,415 --> 00:52:30,425 what is happening here. 1227 00:52:30,425 --> 00:52:32,185 They've been completely manipulated, 1228 00:52:32,525 --> 00:52:34,425 and I don't know how to get out of that. 1229 00:52:35,515 --> 00:52:38,085 - Well, I mean, there's no easy answer. 1230 00:52:38,185 --> 00:52:39,325 And you're absolutely right. 1231 00:52:39,385 --> 00:52:40,805 And one of the, the, the, 1232 00:52:40,815 --> 00:52:44,605 sorry things about our state right now, our, our state 1233 00:52:44,705 --> 00:52:48,325 of being, our inner, our national, you know, cap, 1234 00:52:48,545 --> 00:52:52,245 our national, uh, state of being is that we have 1235 00:52:52,305 --> 00:52:55,765 so much polarization in the United States 1236 00:52:55,835 --> 00:52:57,685 that we've in effect 1237 00:52:58,355 --> 00:53:01,885 negated the word united in the United States of America. 1238 00:53:02,305 --> 00:53:03,605 Now, you can call us the, 1239 00:53:03,625 --> 00:53:05,205 the dysfunctional states of America. 1240 00:53:05,625 --> 00:53:07,725 You can call us the polarized states of America. 1241 00:53:08,145 --> 00:53:10,245 You can call us the, you know, whatever you want. 1242 00:53:10,265 --> 00:53:13,085 But we're not the United States of America anymore. 1243 00:53:13,265 --> 00:53:15,925 And I, I would, I believe that 1244 00:53:16,645 --> 00:53:18,365 Americans would be hard pressed to define 1245 00:53:18,365 --> 00:53:19,845 what an American is anymore. 1246 00:53:20,975 --> 00:53:23,315 And I'm not a politician. I'm not a Biden guy. 1247 00:53:23,355 --> 00:53:25,245 I am not a Trump guy. I'm an intelligence officer. 1248 00:53:25,445 --> 00:53:27,285 I just gotta tell you the way it is from an 1249 00:53:27,285 --> 00:53:28,725 intelligence officer's point of view. 1250 00:53:29,105 --> 00:53:32,925 And you've got the Putin wing of the Republican party, 1251 00:53:33,505 --> 00:53:37,085 you know, uh, uh, you know, a rarely a, a fairly few number 1252 00:53:37,105 --> 00:53:40,805 of congressmen that are preventing, is preventing any kind 1253 00:53:40,805 --> 00:53:42,765 of aid to get to Ukraine. 1254 00:53:43,425 --> 00:53:45,125 And when that happens, you know, 1255 00:53:45,125 --> 00:53:47,045 because we were on record, uh, 1256 00:53:47,065 --> 00:53:49,685 the president is on record saying, we will be there for you 1257 00:53:49,755 --> 00:53:52,445 through thick and thin forever until you're done. 1258 00:53:53,185 --> 00:53:55,845 And now we're not. And so do you look at 1259 00:53:56,435 --> 00:54:00,045 what do our Asian allies, what Singapore, Malaysia, 1260 00:54:00,265 --> 00:54:02,485 you know, Indonesia, the Philippines, 1261 00:54:02,515 --> 00:54:03,645 when they're looking at us 1262 00:54:03,645 --> 00:54:05,005 and saying, can we count on the 1263 00:54:05,005 --> 00:54:07,205 United States of America to protect us? 1264 00:54:08,385 --> 00:54:10,365 You think China worries about us and Taiwan? 1265 00:54:10,915 --> 00:54:13,285 They say, even if we get into the thick of it with the, 1266 00:54:13,305 --> 00:54:15,245 the United States of America in Taiwan 1267 00:54:15,705 --> 00:54:17,725 and another two years, they'll be tired of it. 1268 00:54:17,725 --> 00:54:19,445 And they'll say, well, we don't wanna do this anymore. 1269 00:54:19,715 --> 00:54:21,765 It's too expensive. We want, don't want to do it. 1270 00:54:21,985 --> 00:54:24,845 - Not only that, it's not hard to manipulate the 1271 00:54:25,365 --> 00:54:30,275 American people into whatever these axis, 1272 00:54:30,295 --> 00:54:33,395 as you call it, the new axis of evil powers want. 1273 00:54:33,635 --> 00:54:36,955 I mean, I don't think folks really understand how yeah, 1274 00:54:37,105 --> 00:54:39,915 this computer that they're staring at are this phone 1275 00:54:39,915 --> 00:54:43,355 that they're staring at is working overtime to help 1276 00:54:44,215 --> 00:54:45,595 our quote unquote enemies. 1277 00:54:45,655 --> 00:54:46,875 Now, I'm a humanist 1278 00:54:47,535 --> 00:54:52,275 and I want a world where everyone gets along, you know? 1279 00:54:52,455 --> 00:54:56,075 And I have friends from all walks of life, all colors 1280 00:54:56,095 --> 00:54:58,315 of the rainbow and entire political spectrum. 1281 00:54:59,175 --> 00:55:02,515 For me, like you, this is not political. This is 1282 00:55:03,335 --> 00:55:04,875 - Common sense - Common. 1283 00:55:05,035 --> 00:55:06,675 I mean, it feels like common sense. 1284 00:55:06,775 --> 00:55:09,795 But then I feel like, am I the one taking crazy pills, 1285 00:55:10,225 --> 00:55:12,035 - Survivability, sustainability? 1286 00:55:12,185 --> 00:55:15,715 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But see, it's so ingrained now. 1287 00:55:15,715 --> 00:55:18,075 This is, and this is a generational issue. 1288 00:55:18,495 --> 00:55:20,595 The United States is in really bad shape now. 1289 00:55:20,595 --> 00:55:23,675 The, you know, the, the Heritage Foundation, you have, you, 1290 00:55:23,775 --> 00:55:25,235 you know who the Heritage Foundation is. 1291 00:55:25,395 --> 00:55:26,915 I do. Well, the Heritage Foundation, 1292 00:55:27,055 --> 00:55:30,915 for lack the last 10 years has been pri appraising our 1293 00:55:31,235 --> 00:55:33,395 military capabilities last year 1294 00:55:33,395 --> 00:55:35,355 and this year, they basically come out 1295 00:55:35,355 --> 00:55:37,155 and said, the United States military is 1296 00:55:37,155 --> 00:55:38,595 overall rated as weak. 1297 00:55:38,895 --> 00:55:43,075 The Navy is rated as very weak, and the Air Force very weak. 1298 00:55:43,575 --> 00:55:45,955 And those are the two services that we would need 1299 00:55:45,955 --> 00:55:48,475 to go against China in any situation, 1300 00:55:48,475 --> 00:55:50,115 whether it's in the Philippines, Taiwan, or whatever. 1301 00:55:50,555 --> 00:55:51,835 'cause it's a naval air battle. 1302 00:55:52,615 --> 00:55:54,955 And we don't have the pilots, we don't have the planes, 1303 00:55:54,955 --> 00:55:56,115 and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 1304 00:55:56,115 --> 00:56:00,235 Right? Let's say everybody in in politics 1305 00:56:00,255 --> 00:56:03,435 and in the administration agrees with me, Brian Fairchild, 1306 00:56:03,435 --> 00:56:05,395 former CIA author right now. 1307 00:56:05,815 --> 00:56:08,235 And they say, absolutely, I believe that everything 1308 00:56:08,235 --> 00:56:11,075 that guy says is true, and we're gonna change it right now. 1309 00:56:11,615 --> 00:56:13,155 You can't just snap your fingers 1310 00:56:13,895 --> 00:56:16,315 and have a, a ship ship building capability. 1311 00:56:16,615 --> 00:56:17,795 You can't snap your fingers 1312 00:56:18,015 --> 00:56:22,475 and stop the, the fact that no young Americans want 1313 00:56:22,475 --> 00:56:23,965 to join the, the service anymore, 1314 00:56:24,225 --> 00:56:26,925 and the services can't meet their quotas, 1315 00:56:27,015 --> 00:56:28,165 their recruiting quotas. 1316 00:56:28,165 --> 00:56:30,605 They haven't met 'em for two years, 25,000 short, 1317 00:56:30,625 --> 00:56:33,325 25,000 less weapons that are on, 1318 00:56:33,505 --> 00:56:34,685 you know, on the battlefield. 1319 00:56:34,965 --> 00:56:36,165 'cause you don't have the people to 1320 00:56:36,165 --> 00:56:37,285 have those weapons. Right. 1321 00:56:37,285 --> 00:56:40,125 - And the military tends to prey on, uh, 1322 00:56:40,545 --> 00:56:41,845 the, the poor, right. 1323 00:56:41,845 --> 00:56:43,765 The economically disenfranchised 1324 00:56:43,785 --> 00:56:45,285 - And former and former military 1325 00:56:45,285 --> 00:56:47,085 legacy families and so forth. 1326 00:56:47,545 --> 00:56:49,765 - But, but the greater part of the people 1327 00:56:49,765 --> 00:56:54,085 that die in wars are the people whose families have 1328 00:56:54,085 --> 00:56:56,525 to send these kids off, you know? Sure, 1329 00:56:56,715 --> 00:56:57,715 - Sure. 1330 00:56:57,715 --> 00:56:59,645 Yeah. And so, I I, can you imagine the United States 1331 00:56:59,845 --> 00:57:01,645 that now given the, the, 1332 00:57:01,645 --> 00:57:03,365 the polarization in the United States, 1333 00:57:03,575 --> 00:57:05,605 let's say they initiate the draft tomorrow, 1334 00:57:06,185 --> 00:57:07,565 how even if you're drafted, 1335 00:57:07,565 --> 00:57:09,805 how many kids do you think are gonna go to the military? 1336 00:57:10,145 --> 00:57:12,085 And how many are just gonna say, no, I'm not going. 1337 00:57:12,515 --> 00:57:14,165 Well, so anyway, the my point being, 1338 00:57:14,165 --> 00:57:16,365 you can't just snap your fingers and turn this around. 1339 00:57:16,505 --> 00:57:19,645 You can't all of a sudden have a world-class naval 1340 00:57:20,095 --> 00:57:21,365 capability anymore. 1341 00:57:21,465 --> 00:57:24,645 And put that around Taiwan, because we're only, 1342 00:57:24,665 --> 00:57:25,925 and this might be a shock to you, 1343 00:57:26,305 --> 00:57:29,765 but as the military says, the chief of naval operations say, 1344 00:57:29,825 --> 00:57:32,565 we can only build one and a half destroyers and one 1345 00:57:32,565 --> 00:57:36,165 and a half submarines a year, a year in China. 1346 00:57:36,315 --> 00:57:40,045 They one ship building, they have like 13 ship building, 1347 00:57:40,265 --> 00:57:41,845 uh, uh, shipyards. 1348 00:57:42,665 --> 00:57:45,925 One of those shipyards has more capability than 1349 00:57:46,705 --> 00:57:49,565 the entire United States at one time. 1350 00:57:49,955 --> 00:57:52,765 They, they build six destroyers simultaneously, 1351 00:57:53,185 --> 00:57:55,645 and we can only build one and a half a year. 1352 00:57:56,065 --> 00:57:58,885 And we don't have the ship shipyards, we don't have the, 1353 00:57:59,265 --> 00:58:01,565 the expertise and capability anymore. 1354 00:58:01,625 --> 00:58:04,605 We let our defense industrial base slide away. 1355 00:58:04,905 --> 00:58:06,405 So it's a generational problem. 1356 00:58:06,865 --> 00:58:07,965 And you've gotta have leaders 1357 00:58:08,035 --> 00:58:09,925 that wanna work together with the other side. 1358 00:58:09,945 --> 00:58:11,525 You know, I mean, when I was growing up, 1359 00:58:11,835 --> 00:58:14,005 there's always Democrats and Republicans, 1360 00:58:14,105 --> 00:58:17,445 but the one thing that we all basically agreed on, you know, 1361 00:58:17,445 --> 00:58:18,965 across the aisle, was defense 1362 00:58:19,425 --> 00:58:21,445 and the defense of the United States of America 1363 00:58:21,515 --> 00:58:22,765 against the bad guys. 1364 00:58:23,185 --> 00:58:24,885 And now we don't even have that. 1365 00:58:25,635 --> 00:58:27,415 So, so we're kind of in a world of hurt. 1366 00:58:27,435 --> 00:58:29,975 And, uh, for what it's worth, I mean, that's, 1367 00:58:29,975 --> 00:58:31,095 that's my 2 cents worth 1368 00:58:31,595 --> 00:58:35,375 - As somebody that has been trained to see operatives. 1369 00:58:36,085 --> 00:58:39,575 When you look at something like the American political 1370 00:58:39,575 --> 00:58:42,655 system as it is right now, do your hackles go up? 1371 00:58:42,915 --> 00:58:44,935 And do you think in some cases 1372 00:58:45,165 --> 00:58:46,575 that we have been infiltrated? 1373 00:58:46,845 --> 00:58:48,415 - There's no doubt we've been infiltrated. 1374 00:58:48,415 --> 00:58:52,055 In fact, in fact, I mean, to your point, just today, just 1375 00:58:52,055 --> 00:58:54,535 before I got on with you, I was reading about, you know, 1376 00:58:54,695 --> 00:58:59,055 a chief petty officer in the US Navy assigned to, to, uh, 1377 00:58:59,265 --> 00:59:02,575 Japan, who's been selling secrets to a foreign power. 1378 00:59:03,055 --> 00:59:04,175 I mean, that happens all the time. 1379 00:59:04,285 --> 00:59:05,815 Espionage happens all the time. 1380 00:59:06,465 --> 00:59:09,335 Every agency in the United States has been penetrated. 1381 00:59:09,455 --> 00:59:11,135 I mean, it's a matter of historical record. 1382 00:59:11,555 --> 00:59:16,215 The CIA in particular, in 2010, the, uh, the, 1383 00:59:16,235 --> 00:59:19,895 the Chinese wrapped up the entire CIA network in China, 1384 00:59:20,795 --> 00:59:23,845 you know, killed several dozen people, one publicly in a, 1385 00:59:24,105 --> 00:59:26,085 in a courtyard to show the rest of the, 1386 00:59:26,145 --> 00:59:28,165 the people don't mess with the United States, 1387 00:59:28,165 --> 00:59:29,365 or this is what's gonna happen to you. 1388 00:59:29,915 --> 00:59:32,525 They, they wiped out the entire CIA network. 1389 00:59:33,185 --> 00:59:35,405 And then just a year and a half ago, CIA came out 1390 00:59:35,465 --> 00:59:39,445 and sent a worldwide message to all stations 1391 00:59:39,445 --> 00:59:41,885 and bases worldwide saying 1392 00:59:42,035 --> 00:59:45,805 that our operations have been compromised, people have been 1393 00:59:46,405 --> 00:59:47,445 arrested, people have been killed, 1394 00:59:47,445 --> 00:59:49,005 people have been turned against us. 1395 00:59:49,355 --> 00:59:50,845 What the heck are you guys doing? 1396 00:59:51,085 --> 00:59:52,405 I mean, a CIA talking 1397 00:59:52,405 --> 00:59:54,885 to its own officers saying, what are you doing? 1398 00:59:55,105 --> 00:59:56,405 We, we think you're, you know, 1399 00:59:56,405 --> 00:59:58,045 you're just not paying attention 1400 00:59:58,225 --> 00:59:59,885 or you don't understand the capabilities 1401 00:59:59,945 --> 01:00:01,565 of foreign intelligence services, 1402 01:00:01,625 --> 01:00:03,925 or you're not spending enough time on counterintelligence. 1403 01:00:04,145 --> 01:00:06,125 You don't even know if these people have secrets. 1404 01:00:06,125 --> 01:00:08,565 You know, you're just recruiting people willy-nilly, and, 1405 01:00:08,585 --> 01:00:10,085 and they're all getting wrapped up, 1406 01:00:10,305 --> 01:00:11,805 and what the hell are you doing? 1407 01:00:12,145 --> 01:00:14,725 And so that's the capability of the espionage 1408 01:00:15,645 --> 01:00:16,765 situation right there. 1409 01:00:17,065 --> 01:00:19,645 So, to your question, uh, are we being penetrated? 1410 01:00:19,645 --> 01:00:22,365 Well, yeah, you, the CIA says we're being penetrated. 1411 01:00:22,525 --> 01:00:24,005 FBI says, we're being penetrated, 1412 01:00:24,265 --> 01:00:26,925 and then you can't, that's not even talking about the, 1413 01:00:27,325 --> 01:00:29,765 probably the major threat, which is a cyber threat. 1414 01:00:30,105 --> 01:00:33,525 And the fact that the Chinese have showed us on time, time 1415 01:00:33,525 --> 01:00:36,285 and time again, and the fbi, I has reported time 1416 01:00:36,285 --> 01:00:39,045 and time again that they are specifically targeting against 1417 01:00:39,105 --> 01:00:42,885 our infrastructure, and especially infrastructure like oil 1418 01:00:43,025 --> 01:00:44,725 and water and electricity. 1419 01:00:44,865 --> 01:00:46,565 And they're doing it in Guam too. 1420 01:00:46,865 --> 01:00:49,245 Now, Guam's, one of the key things, we can't fight any kind 1421 01:00:49,245 --> 01:00:50,525 of a war around Taiwan 1422 01:00:50,665 --> 01:00:54,205 or the South China Sea without basing people 1423 01:00:54,225 --> 01:00:55,405 in Guam and Okinawa. 1424 01:00:55,905 --> 01:01:00,125 So my, my estimation would be that China's not going 1425 01:01:00,125 --> 01:01:03,765 to attack the, the continental United States with missiles 1426 01:01:03,765 --> 01:01:05,685 and so and so, such and so forth. 1427 01:01:05,985 --> 01:01:08,125 But they will attack us spaces. 1428 01:01:08,385 --> 01:01:12,125 Us, uh, uh, owned Guam is a US property. 1429 01:01:12,545 --> 01:01:14,125 You know, it's not a foreign property. 1430 01:01:14,145 --> 01:01:16,365 Now, Okinawa, we borrow bases and stuff, 1431 01:01:16,505 --> 01:01:18,085 but Guam is our territory. 1432 01:01:18,315 --> 01:01:20,885 They will attack Guam and they will attack Okinawa, 1433 01:01:20,945 --> 01:01:23,565 and they will attack, you know, places in the Philippines, 1434 01:01:23,565 --> 01:01:25,125 and they will attack Taiwan and, 1435 01:01:25,305 --> 01:01:27,805 and they will threaten to attack any Asian power 1436 01:01:27,805 --> 01:01:29,045 that comes to our aid. 1437 01:01:29,465 --> 01:01:32,005 And all those Asian powers need their trade. 1438 01:01:32,425 --> 01:01:35,045 So Biden has been doing his best to build up. 1439 01:01:35,465 --> 01:01:38,125 He, since he's not gonna do military hard power, 1440 01:01:38,515 --> 01:01:40,645 he's been doing his best to put together things 1441 01:01:40,645 --> 01:01:42,925 that take years and years, maybe decades, 1442 01:01:43,385 --> 01:01:44,925 to actually make efficient. 1443 01:01:45,105 --> 01:01:46,885 And that's allies and alliances. 1444 01:01:47,145 --> 01:01:49,965 So one of the things that he's been doing is really focused 1445 01:01:50,025 --> 01:01:53,565 on, you know, South Korea and Japan as coming to our aid. 1446 01:01:54,105 --> 01:01:57,085 That's great, except that, you know, the South Korean 1447 01:01:57,145 --> 01:01:59,765 and Japanese capabilities are, you know, 1448 01:01:59,825 --> 01:02:01,005 not the best capabilities, 1449 01:02:01,225 --> 01:02:05,125 but even more so, the Japanese population recently in a, 1450 01:02:05,125 --> 01:02:08,965 in a, in a poll, said that they're not willing to go 1451 01:02:08,965 --> 01:02:10,965 to war against China about Taiwan. 1452 01:02:12,185 --> 01:02:14,405 So see, if you're building alliances, that's great. 1453 01:02:14,625 --> 01:02:16,525 If your alliances are like the alliances 1454 01:02:16,585 --> 01:02:17,885 during World War ii, 1455 01:02:18,305 --> 01:02:20,725 and we're all going on the beach in D-Day, 1456 01:02:20,725 --> 01:02:22,925 and the Australians and the Americans and the Brits 1457 01:02:22,925 --> 01:02:24,685 and everybody, we're going against the enemy 1458 01:02:25,025 --> 01:02:26,845 and we're all fighting equally, that's great. 1459 01:02:27,025 --> 01:02:29,245 But we're putting together alliances 1460 01:02:29,245 --> 01:02:32,445 that are not even gonna be secure for the next 20 1461 01:02:32,445 --> 01:02:37,005 or 30 years with people who don't wanna go and fight for us 1462 01:02:37,275 --> 01:02:40,525 because of our national, national interests. 1463 01:02:40,715 --> 01:02:42,485 They want to protect their own national 1464 01:02:42,765 --> 01:02:44,485 interests in the Red Sea. 1465 01:02:44,625 --> 01:02:47,245 You know, we put together a task force now, right? 1466 01:02:47,455 --> 01:02:49,845 We've invited all these nations to come to, well, 1467 01:02:49,865 --> 01:02:53,125 the Australian sent like 15 guys, no, no naval assets 1468 01:02:53,145 --> 01:02:55,405 or anything, 15 guys to like go to headquarters 1469 01:02:55,705 --> 01:02:58,525 and coordinate and other powers like Italy 1470 01:02:58,525 --> 01:03:01,205 and Germany said, well, we don't want to be officially part 1471 01:03:01,205 --> 01:03:04,605 of your task force, so your alliances aren't any good 1472 01:03:04,625 --> 01:03:07,165 unless they're willing to be shoulder to shoulder 1473 01:03:07,225 --> 01:03:10,485 to you fighting against the enemy that you've agreed on. 1474 01:03:10,785 --> 01:03:12,885 And we don't have that. So, you know, 1475 01:03:12,885 --> 01:03:14,365 you can talk about it all you want. 1476 01:03:14,565 --> 01:03:16,525 And Biden can go and say, well, look at what I've done. 1477 01:03:16,545 --> 01:03:19,325 And, you know, the, we've never had a stronger position 1478 01:03:19,385 --> 01:03:21,645 and we've got alliances in Japan and South Korea. 1479 01:03:21,745 --> 01:03:24,965 But when you really look at it, those alliances aren't, 1480 01:03:24,965 --> 01:03:27,925 were spit unless those people are willing to go to war 1481 01:03:27,925 --> 01:03:30,965 with China over Taiwan and US national interests. 1482 01:03:31,105 --> 01:03:33,325 And they're not. There's the intelligence 1483 01:03:33,325 --> 01:03:34,685 officers assessment. 1484 01:03:35,325 --> 01:03:36,685 I think that war is coming 1485 01:03:36,825 --> 01:03:40,445 or some kind of military action is coming in the South China 1486 01:03:40,545 --> 01:03:42,805 Sea and, and, uh, you know, against China. 1487 01:03:43,405 --> 01:03:45,525 - I might be a pessimist, but I think war is here. 1488 01:03:45,725 --> 01:03:48,725 I think we've been fighting Oh, a war for a, a while now. 1489 01:03:48,905 --> 01:03:51,485 Uh, yeah, whether or not people seem to wanna agree with 1490 01:03:51,685 --> 01:03:53,925 that, I don't know, but that's, and I, what do I know? 1491 01:03:53,945 --> 01:03:55,205 But that's what it seems like to 1492 01:03:55,205 --> 01:03:56,205 - Me. 1493 01:03:56,205 --> 01:03:57,285 Oh, I would agree with, I would agree with your point. 1494 01:03:58,035 --> 01:03:59,085 It's even worse. I mean, 1495 01:03:59,515 --> 01:04:03,845 because what has to happen if we were to go to war 1496 01:04:04,815 --> 01:04:07,285 China, let's say China moves against Taiwan. 1497 01:04:08,385 --> 01:04:12,245 Oh, a huge question in my intelligence officer's brain is, 1498 01:04:12,815 --> 01:04:14,245 would Biden commit to that? 1499 01:04:15,605 --> 01:04:19,025 You know, now Biden has gone overboard, you know, 1500 01:04:19,405 --> 01:04:21,505 Ben over backwards telling the Chinese, 1501 01:04:22,285 --> 01:04:23,705 we don't want confrontation. 1502 01:04:24,005 --> 01:04:25,465 We don't want a new Cold War. 1503 01:04:25,645 --> 01:04:27,385 We don't want have any problems with you. 1504 01:04:28,045 --> 01:04:30,105 And the few times he said, we would, 1505 01:04:30,105 --> 01:04:31,305 we would put troops on Taiwan. 1506 01:04:31,925 --> 01:04:34,185 His own people have walked that back now. 1507 01:04:34,725 --> 01:04:37,145 So the question is, if they move on Taiwan, 1508 01:04:37,595 --> 01:04:39,225 would the United States even react? 1509 01:04:40,045 --> 01:04:41,595 Would Biden commit forces 1510 01:04:42,215 --> 01:04:44,435 and naval forces knowing that, you know, he's going 1511 01:04:44,435 --> 01:04:46,675 to get into a war, ships are gonna be sunk, 1512 01:04:47,435 --> 01:04:48,795 American soldiers are gonna be dead. 1513 01:04:49,105 --> 01:04:51,835 Where's that gonna take him? Would he even commit? 1514 01:04:52,135 --> 01:04:55,315 So if he, if the Chinese estimate that he's not even going 1515 01:04:55,315 --> 01:04:58,115 to commit or not in any meaningful way, 1516 01:04:58,665 --> 01:05:00,115 then they're not deterred. 1517 01:05:00,695 --> 01:05:02,075 And the big thing, like I said 1518 01:05:02,075 --> 01:05:04,115 around Washington DC these days, is 1519 01:05:04,115 --> 01:05:06,755 that the United States deterrence isn't working right. 1520 01:05:07,105 --> 01:05:10,515 It's not working against the proxy forces that Iran has. 1521 01:05:10,775 --> 01:05:12,995 No matter how many sorties we take out 1522 01:05:12,995 --> 01:05:17,035 of our big cool US aircraft carriers, with our great planes 1523 01:05:17,125 --> 01:05:19,645 and, and pilots and stuff, it's not stopping them. 1524 01:05:19,835 --> 01:05:22,405 They keep sinking ships. They keep firing missiles at us. 1525 01:05:22,585 --> 01:05:25,085 So if we can't even deter the Iranian proxies, 1526 01:05:25,425 --> 01:05:27,605 do you think China's worried about us deterring them? 1527 01:05:28,435 --> 01:05:29,975 And there's a, you know, there's a deal. 1528 01:05:30,455 --> 01:05:32,535 I mean, it's all pretty straightforward, you know? 1529 01:05:32,655 --> 01:05:34,135 I mean, you either have hard power 1530 01:05:34,155 --> 01:05:36,855 and willing to use it, which deters your enemy, 1531 01:05:36,855 --> 01:05:38,135 or you don't, you know? 1532 01:05:38,275 --> 01:05:39,495 And right now we're kind 1533 01:05:39,495 --> 01:05:41,055 of in a world of hurt, we don't have it. Yeah. 1534 01:05:41,275 --> 01:05:44,495 - Do, when you see things like in the news today, the at t 1535 01:05:45,115 --> 01:05:47,495 towers shut down cell service to all those people, 1536 01:05:47,965 --> 01:05:50,255 does your instinct immediately go to, uh, 1537 01:05:50,515 --> 01:05:52,535 uh, shit's hitting the fan? Yeah. 1538 01:05:52,715 --> 01:05:55,455 - No, I, I think what I think what is happening with, 1539 01:05:55,485 --> 01:05:58,735 with all these cyber taxes, one of the targeting against, 1540 01:05:58,755 --> 01:06:01,535 uh, our infrastructure, you know, we eventually found, 1541 01:06:01,695 --> 01:06:05,455 I think we found it through, uh, some, some, uh, you know, 1542 01:06:05,775 --> 01:06:07,455 civilian organizations that were doing, 1543 01:06:07,595 --> 01:06:08,975 uh, analysis of the systems. 1544 01:06:09,475 --> 01:06:12,215 So we know that they're targeting our infrastructure. 1545 01:06:12,355 --> 01:06:14,495 But I think some of their attacks, many 1546 01:06:14,495 --> 01:06:16,775 of their attacks are just to send us a message. 1547 01:06:17,245 --> 01:06:19,455 Like when they did the attacks against Guam, 1548 01:06:20,335 --> 01:06:21,905 there's only one way to take that. 1549 01:06:22,145 --> 01:06:23,345 I mean, it wasn't an attack. 1550 01:06:23,365 --> 01:06:26,665 It was a, it was a, they were attacks that were known 1551 01:06:27,415 --> 01:06:29,545 that the Chinese knew we were going to discover, 1552 01:06:30,085 --> 01:06:31,945 and they wanted us to discover them 1553 01:06:31,945 --> 01:06:33,505 because they want us to know, 1554 01:06:34,685 --> 01:06:37,065 if you guys go against us, this is what we're gonna do. 1555 01:06:37,955 --> 01:06:41,225 We've got the capability, you see, we've got the capability. 1556 01:06:41,685 --> 01:06:44,825 Do you really want to go against us? Right. That deters us. 1557 01:06:45,605 --> 01:06:47,315 Right? And that deters Biden 1558 01:06:47,495 --> 01:06:51,585 or any president, you know, it's like president says 1559 01:06:51,585 --> 01:06:53,105 to his national security team, well, 1560 01:06:53,245 --> 01:06:56,385 if the shit hits the fan, how are we gonna, you know, 1561 01:06:56,605 --> 01:06:57,745 how is it gonna be for us? 1562 01:06:57,965 --> 01:06:59,465 You know, those guys have to look at 'em 1563 01:06:59,465 --> 01:07:02,025 and say, well, sir, I mean, the Chinese have already proven 1564 01:07:02,045 --> 01:07:04,385 to us that they can shut down our infrastructure in Guam. 1565 01:07:04,415 --> 01:07:06,025 They've got the hypersonic missiles. 1566 01:07:06,025 --> 01:07:07,225 They'll take out our, our, 1567 01:07:07,605 --> 01:07:10,945 our runways if nothing else in our ports, you know, 1568 01:07:10,945 --> 01:07:12,545 and we won't be able to use those places 1569 01:07:12,725 --> 01:07:14,865 to the marshal forces or resources. 1570 01:07:15,695 --> 01:07:16,865 It's gonna be kind of bad for us. 1571 01:07:16,925 --> 01:07:20,345 And, you know, uh, we can move stuff from Australia, 1572 01:07:20,845 --> 01:07:23,145 but, you know, they can see us coming from a thousand miles 1573 01:07:23,145 --> 01:07:24,985 away and they got these hypersonic missiles, 1574 01:07:24,985 --> 01:07:27,625 and, you know, that's gonna be tough for us. 1575 01:07:28,225 --> 01:07:31,145 Although, you know, we can dodge and, and move around 1576 01:07:31,165 --> 01:07:32,385 and move our, our forces. 1577 01:07:32,645 --> 01:07:35,745 But see, China doesn't got all their array of satellites 1578 01:07:36,305 --> 01:07:38,185 watching our aircraft carriers as they move. 1579 01:07:38,485 --> 01:07:42,065 And they know, see, they know when we pull into port 1580 01:07:42,065 --> 01:07:46,665 and, you know, in Japan, and we say, here we are in Japan, 1581 01:07:46,685 --> 01:07:49,305 or here we are in South Korea with our submarines and, 1582 01:07:49,445 --> 01:07:50,825 and our aircraft carriers. 1583 01:07:51,135 --> 01:07:53,065 They go, great, good starting point. 1584 01:07:53,075 --> 01:07:54,305 Start from there and track these 1585 01:07:54,305 --> 01:07:55,745 guys wherever they go. Yeah. 1586 01:07:56,175 --> 01:07:58,945 - Well, that's what, when the balloons that came in the, 1587 01:07:58,965 --> 01:08:01,145 the Chinese air balloons, I I, oh yeah. 1588 01:08:01,285 --> 01:08:03,865 To me, everyone freaking out about that. 1589 01:08:04,125 --> 01:08:07,025 The, the regular American public freaking out about that. 1590 01:08:07,025 --> 01:08:10,385 And I thought, you know, you're literally holding a foam 1591 01:08:10,455 --> 01:08:13,265 that they have been tracking since day one. 1592 01:08:13,525 --> 01:08:16,405 If you think that that little balloon is getting 1593 01:08:16,405 --> 01:08:17,725 more intel Yeah. 1594 01:08:17,835 --> 01:08:21,525 Than the phone in your hand that is being held by bazillions 1595 01:08:21,525 --> 01:08:24,165 of Americans, you're insane . 1596 01:08:24,475 --> 01:08:27,085 - Well, the, the scary, the scary thing is that, I mean, 1597 01:08:27,085 --> 01:08:28,645 this phone, this is the, 1598 01:08:28,645 --> 01:08:30,765 the biggest vulnerability we have, you know, sure. 1599 01:08:30,825 --> 01:08:34,525 As individuals, but worse than that, I mean, 1600 01:08:34,525 --> 01:08:35,765 like I've mentioned before 1601 01:08:36,505 --> 01:08:38,405 and everything I say, you know, I, I hope 1602 01:08:38,405 --> 01:08:41,045 that your audience, you know, checks me in fact checks me 1603 01:08:41,045 --> 01:08:42,045 and stuff, because they'll see 1604 01:08:42,045 --> 01:08:43,725 that I'm not making this stuff up. 1605 01:08:43,755 --> 01:08:45,725 It's all true. If you look at the, 1606 01:08:45,825 --> 01:08:48,285 the National Counter Intelligence Center, 1607 01:08:48,985 --> 01:08:50,965 the National Counterintelligence Center, 1608 01:08:50,965 --> 01:08:53,525 which puts out public, you know, public warnings 1609 01:08:53,525 --> 01:08:56,605 and things of the United States government has stated 1610 01:08:57,165 --> 01:09:00,925 repeatedly that the Chinese have probably obtained 1611 01:09:01,785 --> 01:09:05,565 DN DNA information on practically every American citizen. 1612 01:09:06,665 --> 01:09:08,445 Now, what does that do? 1613 01:09:09,035 --> 01:09:11,845 Well, on one on one hand, it's, it's a big deal for them 1614 01:09:11,845 --> 01:09:15,085 because, you know, in using artificial intelligence, 1615 01:09:15,085 --> 01:09:17,885 which I know that you're really interested in the Chinese 1616 01:09:18,055 --> 01:09:21,885 excel at that artificial intelligence, it depends on your, 1617 01:09:21,985 --> 01:09:24,845 how the size of your language models, how much you can do, 1618 01:09:24,845 --> 01:09:25,845 how much research you can do, 1619 01:09:26,105 --> 01:09:28,565 how much progress you can make, and so forth and so on. 1620 01:09:28,665 --> 01:09:32,285 Now, China has already, you know, weaponized every bit 1621 01:09:32,345 --> 01:09:35,205 of information within China, right? 1622 01:09:35,485 --> 01:09:38,085 I mean, they've got you everybody's DNA, 1623 01:09:38,085 --> 01:09:40,045 they got everybody on facial 1624 01:09:40,045 --> 01:09:41,565 recognition and all that sort of thing. 1625 01:09:41,795 --> 01:09:44,845 Well, if they get everybody's DNA from the United States, 1626 01:09:45,195 --> 01:09:47,645 well, they can put that into their language model so 1627 01:09:47,765 --> 01:09:50,285 that they get better and their military weapons get better 1628 01:09:50,305 --> 01:09:51,325 and so forth and so on. 1629 01:09:51,925 --> 01:09:55,205 DNA and CRISPR technology, do you know, crispr, you know, 1630 01:09:55,265 --> 01:09:56,925 CRISPR technology, is this, uh, 1631 01:09:57,185 --> 01:10:00,045 is this genetic cutting and, and pasting? 1632 01:10:00,045 --> 01:10:01,285 Oh, sure, sure, sure. Yeah. 1633 01:10:01,345 --> 01:10:03,125 So, so CRISPR and I mean, and it's a, 1634 01:10:03,125 --> 01:10:06,325 and it's a solid, you know, great, wonderful technology 1635 01:10:06,985 --> 01:10:10,085 and, uh, , you know, the lady who developed this, 1636 01:10:10,205 --> 01:10:12,805 I mean, you know, she's solving, you know, she's solving 1637 01:10:13,305 --> 01:10:15,605 and curing diseases, genetic diseases. 1638 01:10:16,275 --> 01:10:18,365 Also, if you can go 1639 01:10:18,465 --> 01:10:23,245 and you can cure somebody's sickle cell anemia, well, 1640 01:10:23,245 --> 01:10:26,525 if I want to, you know, go after Brian Fairchild 1641 01:10:26,905 --> 01:10:30,165 and I've got his DNA and I look at his DNA 1642 01:10:30,165 --> 01:10:32,085 and they can do your whole genome, right, 1643 01:10:32,085 --> 01:10:33,885 just from the DNA, right? 1644 01:10:33,905 --> 01:10:36,365 So your whole genome, and they find out that I've got, 1645 01:10:36,385 --> 01:10:39,805 you know, some kind of a syndrome that's depressed 1646 01:10:39,825 --> 01:10:42,205 and not active at this particular point in time, 1647 01:10:42,705 --> 01:10:45,245 and they decide to kill me with a genetic weapon. 1648 01:10:45,795 --> 01:10:50,365 They can create the, the genetic weapon, use a flu 1649 01:10:51,025 --> 01:10:54,565 as the, as the vector, as a way to get that to me. 1650 01:10:54,985 --> 01:10:56,245 And it's only gonna kill me. 1651 01:10:57,165 --> 01:10:59,265 And, and, and the Chinese are known and, 1652 01:10:59,325 --> 01:11:02,705 and have stated in their own documentation 1653 01:11:03,375 --> 01:11:06,785 that they're working on ethnic, ethnic weapons. 1654 01:11:07,055 --> 01:11:08,865 - Yeah. It's the assassin warfare. 1655 01:11:09,485 --> 01:11:10,545 - Oh, yeah. And you think about 1656 01:11:10,545 --> 01:11:12,945 what they're doing against the, their own Uyghur population 1657 01:11:13,495 --> 01:11:15,605 where they've got millions of people, you know, 1658 01:11:15,605 --> 01:11:17,325 basically in concentration camps. 1659 01:11:17,515 --> 01:11:20,605 They, they have, you know, forced sterilization, you know, 1660 01:11:20,605 --> 01:11:23,965 forced abortions, uh, DNA taken from everybody, 1661 01:11:24,115 --> 01:11:26,045 cameras everywhere, you know, 1662 01:11:26,045 --> 01:11:27,805 everything on your phone is, is taken. 1663 01:11:28,265 --> 01:11:29,525 And it's an ethnic group 1664 01:11:29,525 --> 01:11:31,885 that the Chinese would just like to go away. 1665 01:11:32,505 --> 01:11:36,005 And then you hear the, the Chinese military defense 1666 01:11:36,065 --> 01:11:38,445 and the defense, uh, university saying, 1667 01:11:38,815 --> 01:11:40,965 we're looking at the, the capability of 1668 01:11:41,725 --> 01:11:45,165 creating ethnic weapons, you know, genetic ethnic weapons. 1669 01:11:45,745 --> 01:11:48,205 You know, that's something to worry about. So, I mean, yeah. 1670 01:11:48,225 --> 01:11:50,965 So the phone is terrible, you know, and that's why 1671 01:11:51,365 --> 01:11:54,765 whenever somebody like me goes into a skiff, a secure area 1672 01:11:54,765 --> 01:11:56,725 where you're not allowed to go in 1673 01:11:56,725 --> 01:11:59,885 unless you put your phone somewhere outside and go in, 1674 01:11:59,915 --> 01:12:03,045 because everybody knows this phone can be tracked, you know, 1675 01:12:03,045 --> 01:12:04,125 even if the phone's turned off, 1676 01:12:04,145 --> 01:12:05,645 it could be made into a microphone. 1677 01:12:05,645 --> 01:12:06,965 And, and we've been doing that. 1678 01:12:07,525 --> 01:12:09,165 I mean, the agency has been doing that 1679 01:12:09,225 --> 01:12:10,605 for decades, you know? 1680 01:12:10,605 --> 01:12:12,045 So, I mean, it's like nothing new. 1681 01:12:12,345 --> 01:12:14,365 - That's why I get so frustrated when people 1682 01:12:15,135 --> 01:12:19,405 don't really understand what has been happening, 1683 01:12:19,705 --> 01:12:20,765 as you say, for decades. 1684 01:12:21,105 --> 01:12:23,565 And that they themselves are holding the device, 1685 01:12:23,935 --> 01:12:26,925 which is compromised so much information. 1686 01:12:26,925 --> 01:12:27,925 Yeah. Information 1687 01:12:28,205 --> 01:12:29,205 - Probably three times a day. 1688 01:12:29,205 --> 01:12:30,285 They, they agree 1689 01:12:30,385 --> 01:12:33,045 and permit that device to, you know, 1690 01:12:33,045 --> 01:12:34,205 take more of their information. 1691 01:12:34,445 --> 01:12:36,125 'cause they want shop from a certain place. 1692 01:12:36,145 --> 01:12:38,525 And, and it asks them, you know, can I use your data? 1693 01:12:38,585 --> 01:12:40,045 And, and they, I wanna buy this thing. 1694 01:12:40,045 --> 01:12:41,205 So they say, I agree. Right? 1695 01:12:41,885 --> 01:12:44,205 - Consumerism will be our downfall for sure. 1696 01:12:44,985 --> 01:12:47,445 - And the Chinese have gone to all those, the, 1697 01:12:47,445 --> 01:12:48,765 all those information sellers 1698 01:12:48,785 --> 01:12:51,445 and bought up all those, all that information about us. 1699 01:12:51,875 --> 01:12:55,885 It's terrible. And if you just talk about cover, cover as a, 1700 01:12:55,905 --> 01:12:58,045 as intelligence officer, why do you have 1701 01:12:58,045 --> 01:12:59,805 to have cover, you know, what is cover? 1702 01:12:59,805 --> 01:13:03,525 Well cover is if I go abroad and, and, 1703 01:13:03,525 --> 01:13:04,885 and I, they, you put me 1704 01:13:04,945 --> 01:13:06,965 as an official in the American Embassy, well, 1705 01:13:06,965 --> 01:13:08,965 everybody knows that I'm an official American, 1706 01:13:08,995 --> 01:13:10,525 whether I'm CIA or not. 1707 01:13:10,585 --> 01:13:12,725 I'm an intelligence officer of some kind, right? 1708 01:13:12,825 --> 01:13:14,165 I'm an enemy. If you're China, 1709 01:13:14,545 --> 01:13:16,685 I'm an official American, uh, official. 1710 01:13:16,785 --> 01:13:18,925 I'm a, I'm an enemy. But we're, yeah. 1711 01:13:18,925 --> 01:13:21,525 If I was to go to a, a, you know, the Tokyo Embassy 1712 01:13:21,525 --> 01:13:24,045 and say, I'm CIA, I'm a spy. 1713 01:13:24,115 --> 01:13:26,885 Well, then I try to meet you, right? 1714 01:13:27,225 --> 01:13:29,845 And I meet you at a, at a restaurant, 1715 01:13:30,345 --> 01:13:32,005 and we start having talks. 1716 01:13:32,675 --> 01:13:34,725 Well, everybody knows that I'm CIA 1717 01:13:34,725 --> 01:13:35,725 and I'm meeting you, right? 1718 01:13:36,385 --> 01:13:39,565 So one day they come to you and they knock on your door. 1719 01:13:39,945 --> 01:13:41,565 The, your own security service 1720 01:13:42,145 --> 01:13:45,165 and your own security service says, Hey, Susan, 1721 01:13:45,865 --> 01:13:47,565 you know this guy Brian Fairchild, right? 1722 01:13:47,865 --> 01:13:49,765 Oh, yeah, yeah. I, he is a, he's a nice man. 1723 01:13:49,765 --> 01:13:51,925 He is a, a diplomat in the United States government. 1724 01:13:52,145 --> 01:13:54,165 And, and they say to you, well, you know, 1725 01:13:54,165 --> 01:13:56,005 he is a spy right now. 1726 01:13:56,005 --> 01:13:57,845 Right away you are on the spot. 1727 01:13:58,225 --> 01:14:02,365 You've got your National Security service coming into your 1728 01:14:02,365 --> 01:14:05,645 house and saying, why are you dealing with an American spy? 1729 01:14:06,335 --> 01:14:08,325 Right? And then so you, so you get all nervous 1730 01:14:08,385 --> 01:14:10,485 and you go, oh, I've gotta cut off relationships. 1731 01:14:10,665 --> 01:14:11,925 I'm not gonna ever see him again. 1732 01:14:11,945 --> 01:14:15,245 And they say, no, no, Susan, we want you to see him. 1733 01:14:15,625 --> 01:14:18,125 And at some point he's gonna pitch you to become a spy. 1734 01:14:18,145 --> 01:14:19,205 We want you to accept, 1735 01:14:19,385 --> 01:14:21,325 and we're going to give you the information 1736 01:14:21,325 --> 01:14:24,765 that he's asking you to provide to the CIA and their po. 1737 01:14:24,825 --> 01:14:28,485 His policymakers are gonna be making policy wrong policy 1738 01:14:29,665 --> 01:14:33,005 on fallacious intelligence that you're gonna provide him. 1739 01:14:33,025 --> 01:14:34,885 And if you can do that for a lifetime, 1740 01:14:35,105 --> 01:14:36,325 that's what we want you to do. 1741 01:14:36,825 --> 01:14:39,285 So that's why you have to have cover, you know, 1742 01:14:39,425 --> 01:14:41,005 and you can't have cover anymore. 1743 01:14:41,205 --> 01:14:42,525 CIA can't have the cover anymore 1744 01:14:42,825 --> 01:14:44,285 by putting people in official 1745 01:14:44,285 --> 01:14:45,765 cover positions out of embassies. 1746 01:14:46,185 --> 01:14:49,085 And if you talk about just the satellite capabilities 1747 01:14:49,085 --> 01:14:50,205 that we were just talking about, 1748 01:14:50,585 --> 01:14:53,165 and you talk about CIA headquarters 1749 01:14:53,825 --> 01:14:56,565 and all the, the information that they've soaked up 1750 01:14:56,565 --> 01:14:59,045 and all those license plate numbers, 1751 01:14:59,985 --> 01:15:02,525 how can you say if anybody goes into CIA 1752 01:15:02,525 --> 01:15:03,805 headquarters that they have cover? 1753 01:15:04,115 --> 01:15:05,525 Because all the Chinese have 1754 01:15:05,525 --> 01:15:06,805 to do is put that in the system. 1755 01:15:07,185 --> 01:15:09,085 And then when you come overseas, they say, well, 1756 01:15:09,085 --> 01:15:10,685 let's do a trace on this Fairchild guy. 1757 01:15:11,105 --> 01:15:12,685 Oh yeah, he's a CIA officer. 1758 01:15:12,705 --> 01:15:14,605 Here's his, here's his license plate number. 1759 01:15:14,625 --> 01:15:16,165 He is been going into the CIA for years. 1760 01:15:16,975 --> 01:15:18,685 Those are things that people don't think about, 1761 01:15:19,025 --> 01:15:21,685 but that's what the real situation is. And it's bad. 1762 01:15:22,265 --> 01:15:24,245 - If it weren't so terrifying, it would be 1763 01:15:25,285 --> 01:15:28,925 hysterically funny because it's like some insane movie 1764 01:15:29,035 --> 01:15:31,085 that if you wrote this script Yeah. 1765 01:15:31,305 --> 01:15:35,285 And turned it in, they would say, this is ridiculous. 1766 01:15:35,675 --> 01:15:38,045 - Yeah. It can't be for, - It's so over the top. 1767 01:15:38,475 --> 01:15:40,165 - It's a really comedy, but it's not even comedy. 1768 01:15:40,225 --> 01:15:42,325 We can believe. Yeah, that's, but it's true. 1769 01:15:42,515 --> 01:15:43,925 Yeah, , it's true. 1770 01:15:44,405 --> 01:15:46,845 I got another technology that I've gotta tell you about 1771 01:15:46,845 --> 01:15:47,925 because it's just amazing. 1772 01:15:49,075 --> 01:15:50,365 Have you ever, ever heard 1773 01:15:50,365 --> 01:15:52,765 of whammy wide area motion imagery? 1774 01:15:53,475 --> 01:15:56,125 Okay, well, whammy, you know, we developed, 1775 01:15:56,945 --> 01:15:57,965 not we obviously, 1776 01:15:57,965 --> 01:16:00,485 but the US government developed whammy technology 1777 01:16:00,585 --> 01:16:02,045 and used it in Afghanistan. 1778 01:16:02,085 --> 01:16:03,565 I was in Afghanistan for a year 1779 01:16:03,565 --> 01:16:07,445 and a half forces used it in Afghanistan and back in 2011. 1780 01:16:07,865 --> 01:16:09,365 And it's an amazing technology 1781 01:16:09,365 --> 01:16:13,325 because it's only, it's only about a size like this. 1782 01:16:13,345 --> 01:16:15,125 You can put it in a Cessna aircraft, 1783 01:16:15,145 --> 01:16:18,325 you can put it in a balloon, you can put it in a dirigible, 1784 01:16:18,465 --> 01:16:19,845 you can put it in a drone. 1785 01:16:20,385 --> 01:16:23,405 But what it does is it circles the city, it's all digital, 1786 01:16:23,905 --> 01:16:27,085 and it videos the city in a big cone, right? 1787 01:16:27,085 --> 01:16:28,445 So as it goes around the city, 1788 01:16:28,515 --> 01:16:32,725 that cone is constantly looking at the city so 1789 01:16:32,725 --> 01:16:35,405 that it records all movement in the city, 1790 01:16:35,705 --> 01:16:37,045 all movement, right? 1791 01:16:37,045 --> 01:16:38,485 So if you come out on your stoop 1792 01:16:38,485 --> 01:16:40,525 to get the paper, it's got you. 1793 01:16:41,305 --> 01:16:42,725 And then they can go back 1794 01:16:43,025 --> 01:16:46,325 and they can do a, a search back into time 1795 01:16:47,025 --> 01:16:49,285 for you if they decide you're a target 1796 01:16:49,385 --> 01:16:51,645 or that you're a threat, and they can go back 1797 01:16:51,645 --> 01:16:52,725 for as long as they've got it. 1798 01:16:52,885 --> 01:16:54,965 'cause it's digital. And as much as they've got saved, 1799 01:16:54,995 --> 01:16:58,285 they can find out where you went, how you got there, 1800 01:16:58,505 --> 01:17:00,965 you know, what vehicle you used, what people you met, 1801 01:17:01,175 --> 01:17:02,805 where they went, where they live, 1802 01:17:02,905 --> 01:17:03,965 you know, all this sort of thing. 1803 01:17:04,305 --> 01:17:07,125 So imagine now you're a, you know, Brian Fairchild, 1804 01:17:07,125 --> 01:17:09,285 and you go to the American Embassy in Tokyo, 1805 01:17:09,905 --> 01:17:12,125 and Whammy is circling above. 1806 01:17:12,745 --> 01:17:15,405 And I come outta the American Embassy and I'm undercover. 1807 01:17:15,525 --> 01:17:16,925 I tell people I'm a political officer, 1808 01:17:17,305 --> 01:17:18,645 but nobody's fooled by that. 1809 01:17:19,225 --> 01:17:21,285 So they got me, as soon as I come out 1810 01:17:21,285 --> 01:17:22,485 of the door, they got me. 1811 01:17:22,705 --> 01:17:24,845 And I say, okay, I'm gonna be kind of spooky here, 1812 01:17:24,845 --> 01:17:26,925 and I'm gonna do surveillance, detection, routes, 1813 01:17:26,925 --> 01:17:29,045 and I'm gonna take a bus from here to there, 1814 01:17:29,045 --> 01:17:30,845 and then I'm gonna take a taxi from there to there, 1815 01:17:31,025 --> 01:17:33,285 and then I'm gonna take the, the, the tube from there 1816 01:17:33,285 --> 01:17:35,565 to there, and I'm gonna walk around these neighborhoods 1817 01:17:35,565 --> 01:17:37,125 and I'm finally gonna go to the safe house. 1818 01:17:37,125 --> 01:17:39,685 They, they got you right. , right? 1819 01:17:40,105 --> 01:17:44,365 So, so wham e technology, completely obole, you know, makes 1820 01:17:44,925 --> 01:17:48,485 CIA technology, CIA, Tradecraft Obsolescent. 1821 01:17:48,905 --> 01:17:50,325 So you, what you've gotta do now, 1822 01:17:50,325 --> 01:17:52,125 and what I've been pushing CIA to do 1823 01:17:52,125 --> 01:17:53,685 and why they probably don't like me very much, 1824 01:17:53,685 --> 01:17:54,685 like I was saying before, 1825 01:17:55,105 --> 01:17:57,525 and the, the whole book that I wrote, the, the, you know, 1826 01:17:57,525 --> 01:17:59,325 the fictional book is about this 1827 01:17:59,705 --> 01:18:02,205 and about coming up with cover that's actually viable. 1828 01:18:02,705 --> 01:18:05,165 And it's the kind of cover where it's like, 1829 01:18:05,225 --> 01:18:07,765 you're recruited not at CIA headquarters 1830 01:18:07,945 --> 01:18:10,165 or sending in applications online, 1831 01:18:10,505 --> 01:18:13,805 but you're recruited by what, uh, a sports talent scout. 1832 01:18:14,385 --> 01:18:17,565 You know, say I'm living overseas and I'm a businessman. 1833 01:18:17,665 --> 01:18:19,485 I'm in Zambia and I'm doing business. 1834 01:18:19,485 --> 01:18:22,525 I'm selling Montana beef to, to Zambians, 1835 01:18:23,185 --> 01:18:25,965 and I've got, I've been there for 10 years. 1836 01:18:26,275 --> 01:18:28,525 I've, I'm, I'm married to a Zambian woman. 1837 01:18:28,865 --> 01:18:30,965 You know, I have some of the, you know, the language 1838 01:18:31,345 --> 01:18:34,565 and I've got networks of my own in government as well 1839 01:18:34,565 --> 01:18:36,005 as in commercial spaces. 1840 01:18:36,525 --> 01:18:38,765 I know tribal leaders and all this sort of thing. 1841 01:18:39,365 --> 01:18:43,365 I mean, I'm a great spy, right? If I was a spy, but I'm not. 1842 01:18:43,425 --> 01:18:44,445 I'm just a commercial guy. 1843 01:18:44,465 --> 01:18:46,525 But if CIA sends out a talent scout 1844 01:18:46,865 --> 01:18:49,205 and looks at different, you know, populations, 1845 01:18:49,565 --> 01:18:50,565 American business populations, 1846 01:18:50,585 --> 01:18:53,325 and goes, Hey, this guy's Fairchild, hey, 1847 01:18:53,745 --> 01:18:55,605 he was in a 19 special forces group, 1848 01:18:55,825 --> 01:18:57,605 and you know, he's a heck of a businessman 1849 01:18:57,605 --> 01:19:00,765 and he's, he's working in a business in, in a, in a area 1850 01:19:00,835 --> 01:19:04,285 that makes grown men cry and be being successful about it. 1851 01:19:04,785 --> 01:19:06,405 How about we wait till he comes home 1852 01:19:06,985 --> 01:19:08,125 and we'll approach him 1853 01:19:08,145 --> 01:19:09,765 to see if he wants to be a spy for us. 1854 01:19:10,385 --> 01:19:13,525 And if that happens, whether I recorded by whammy 1855 01:19:13,525 --> 01:19:15,365 or not, doesn't matter because I'm never going in 1856 01:19:15,365 --> 01:19:19,205 and out of the, the US Embassy, I've never known as anything 1857 01:19:19,225 --> 01:19:21,605 to do with any US government institution. 1858 01:19:22,075 --> 01:19:23,125 They already know me 1859 01:19:23,125 --> 01:19:25,845 and have done searches on me for years saying, oh yeah, 1860 01:19:25,845 --> 01:19:27,845 fairchild's that guy who sells Montana beef, 1861 01:19:28,065 --> 01:19:29,125 you know, he's not a threat. 1862 01:19:29,125 --> 01:19:32,365 Let's look at the Fortune 500 companies in the US Embassy, 1863 01:19:32,365 --> 01:19:33,365 and those guys are the threats. 1864 01:19:33,625 --> 01:19:35,005 If you're gonna have cover anymore. 1865 01:19:35,005 --> 01:19:38,365 It's gotta be that kind of a non-official deep cover, 1866 01:19:38,785 --> 01:19:41,285 and it's gotta be really respected and taken care of. 1867 01:19:41,345 --> 01:19:44,285 And you've gotta pick just the, the diamonds in the rough, 1868 01:19:44,665 --> 01:19:48,205 you know, not this five Fortune 500, you know, come 1869 01:19:48,205 --> 01:19:49,325 and be an intern for us 1870 01:19:49,325 --> 01:19:51,485 and we'll turn you into a spy. That's not gonna work. 1871 01:19:52,165 --> 01:19:54,805 - I can't help but think that the really, the only thing 1872 01:19:55,035 --> 01:19:59,285 that will pull us out of this, just as a global force, 1873 01:19:59,605 --> 01:20:03,325 a global human entity, is if aliens come. 1874 01:20:03,625 --> 01:20:04,625 And I, 1875 01:20:08,005 --> 01:20:09,535 - Yeah, but aliens, you know, I mean, 1876 01:20:09,605 --> 01:20:12,015 Western civilization treated all the new people 1877 01:20:12,015 --> 01:20:14,935 that they've discovered, you know, so that's Yeah. 1878 01:20:15,435 --> 01:20:18,925 You know, plus course. Yeah. Yeah. 1879 01:20:18,925 --> 01:20:20,045 They'd have to be benevolent 1880 01:20:20,105 --> 01:20:21,725 and hopefully they have some cool technology 1881 01:20:21,725 --> 01:20:23,405 that they'd wanna give us just so we could play with it. 1882 01:20:24,145 --> 01:20:26,805 - But if they were malevolent, then, um, 1883 01:20:26,835 --> 01:20:29,805 perhaps this world would band together finally, 1884 01:20:30,025 --> 01:20:31,365 but it would be short lived 1885 01:20:31,365 --> 01:20:32,725 because the detentions, 1886 01:20:32,725 --> 01:20:34,685 the attention span is so short. . 1887 01:20:35,155 --> 01:20:37,605 - Yeah. And then my brother, you know, he's one of the guys 1888 01:20:37,665 --> 01:20:39,005 who says, well, you know, the only thing 1889 01:20:39,005 --> 01:20:41,165 that's gonna change this country is if we get into another 1890 01:20:41,225 --> 01:20:43,765 war, you know, like World War II brought us all together, 1891 01:20:44,185 --> 01:20:46,005 and that, that was true back then, 1892 01:20:46,225 --> 01:20:47,685 but it was a completely different era. 1893 01:20:48,065 --> 01:20:50,245 And now with the threats that we've talked about just 1894 01:20:50,245 --> 01:20:52,645 during this time, if we went to war, 1895 01:20:52,675 --> 01:20:55,085 it's not gonna be a world war as such. 1896 01:20:55,585 --> 01:20:57,925 And Guam's gonna get hit. Okin Island is gonna get hit. 1897 01:20:57,925 --> 01:20:59,485 Couple, some ships are gonna be sunk, 1898 01:20:59,625 --> 01:21:01,485 and then a politics will take play, 1899 01:21:01,945 --> 01:21:04,525 and no American is gonna go, oh, you know, 1900 01:21:04,735 --> 01:21:07,005 let's go against the Chinese, you know, 1901 01:21:07,005 --> 01:21:09,085 because it'll be iffy. 1902 01:21:09,085 --> 01:21:10,085 You know, it'd be like, well, 1903 01:21:10,425 --> 01:21:11,605 we shouldn't have probably done that. 1904 01:21:11,705 --> 01:21:14,205 And, you know, it's not like really a war war. 1905 01:21:14,275 --> 01:21:15,765 It's not like a D-Day war. 1906 01:21:16,065 --> 01:21:17,805 And I don't want to be a military guy anyway, 1907 01:21:17,805 --> 01:21:19,245 so I'm not gonna go into the draft. 1908 01:21:19,265 --> 01:21:21,165 And I mean, I don't think I, 1909 01:21:21,165 --> 01:21:23,765 that's why I say it's a generational problem. 1910 01:21:24,465 --> 01:21:28,085 So generational problem means you have to start, first 1911 01:21:28,085 --> 01:21:30,365 of all, you gotta educate Americans in the civics. 1912 01:21:30,425 --> 01:21:32,285 You know, most Americans don't even know 1913 01:21:32,285 --> 01:21:33,365 what the US government is, 1914 01:21:33,425 --> 01:21:35,405 or that's divided into three branches, 1915 01:21:35,425 --> 01:21:37,445 and, you know, they couldn't answer you on the street. 1916 01:21:37,705 --> 01:21:40,365 So if you don't even know what your own club is 1917 01:21:40,785 --> 01:21:42,325 and what that club stands for, 1918 01:21:42,425 --> 01:21:44,565 and what you know, what it's driving to do, 1919 01:21:45,385 --> 01:21:46,445 how are you gonna support it? 1920 01:21:46,465 --> 01:21:49,005 You know? And how are you gonna go, yeah, I'm an American 1921 01:21:49,005 --> 01:21:50,325 and I want to be there for you. 1922 01:21:50,555 --> 01:21:52,005 They don't even know what America is. 1923 01:21:52,195 --> 01:21:54,885 - Yeah. That ship has definitely sailed, I think. 1924 01:21:55,555 --> 01:21:57,205 Well, tell me the name of your book. 1925 01:21:57,505 --> 01:21:58,565 - Uh, it is, uh, the Hidden, 1926 01:21:58,905 --> 01:22:00,645 and the reason it's called The Hidden is 1927 01:22:00,645 --> 01:22:03,925 because you have to remain hidden under the radar 1928 01:22:04,505 --> 01:22:06,205 of China's surveillance state. 1929 01:22:06,465 --> 01:22:09,605 And the hero, Griff Harkin is that guy in Zambia 1930 01:22:09,605 --> 01:22:10,845 that I was just describing. 1931 01:22:11,225 --> 01:22:12,565 And he's a guy, and he is been there, 1932 01:22:12,565 --> 01:22:14,445 and his girlfriend is a deaf Zambian. 1933 01:22:14,505 --> 01:22:17,605 So she uses sign language, he uses sign language, 1934 01:22:17,635 --> 01:22:20,605 he's got a group of kids that are just deaf on the street 1935 01:22:20,715 --> 01:22:22,725 that he recruits as a surveillance team. 1936 01:22:23,155 --> 01:22:26,405 They don't even have a recognized view of sign language 1937 01:22:26,405 --> 01:22:29,845 because nobody's educated them, because in Zambia 1938 01:22:29,865 --> 01:22:32,685 and many parts of the world, deafness is considered 1939 01:22:33,485 --> 01:22:34,965 insanity or disease. 1940 01:22:35,505 --> 01:22:38,045 So nobody's educated them. They've gotten by, by 1941 01:22:38,465 --> 01:22:39,765 - Gesticulations. Yeah. 1942 01:22:39,985 --> 01:22:41,965 - That's what the hidden means is staying 1943 01:22:41,965 --> 01:22:43,445 hidden below the radar. 1944 01:22:43,625 --> 01:22:45,365 And, and that's what Griff Harken does. 1945 01:22:45,725 --> 01:22:48,045 CIA had the, you know, had the, okay, everything, 1946 01:22:48,045 --> 01:22:49,165 you know, they read the manuscript. 1947 01:22:49,405 --> 01:22:54,165 - I got to ask, is it true that the CIA, uh, trained what, 1948 01:22:54,705 --> 01:22:57,645 uh, layman would consider psychic soldiers? 1949 01:22:57,955 --> 01:22:59,725 - Yeah, I mean, it's true that they had a, 1950 01:22:59,805 --> 01:23:01,245 a program back in the day. 1951 01:23:01,865 --> 01:23:04,405 And the reason why is the Soviets had a program, 1952 01:23:04,985 --> 01:23:07,165 and you know, like I said, we were at, we were, you know, 1953 01:23:07,165 --> 01:23:08,925 we were designed to go after the Soviets, 1954 01:23:08,925 --> 01:23:11,045 so we found out the Soviets had a program, they're like, 1955 01:23:11,505 --> 01:23:12,605 Hey, we ought to look into this. 1956 01:23:12,945 --> 01:23:14,205 And, and actually, I mean, 1957 01:23:14,235 --> 01:23:17,005 I've never had anything particularly, you know, particularly 1958 01:23:17,105 --> 01:23:18,765 to do with that operation, 1959 01:23:18,785 --> 01:23:22,405 but I've talked to people in the agency who, you know, 1960 01:23:22,865 --> 01:23:25,445 who were like counter-terrorism guys who said, you know, 1961 01:23:25,555 --> 01:23:27,925 some of this stuff is, is kind of like, yeah, 1962 01:23:27,945 --> 01:23:30,965 it worked like, you know, they were looking for a guy, uh, 1963 01:23:31,305 --> 01:23:34,365 you know, he was a, a, a senior general, was kidnapped 1964 01:23:34,365 --> 01:23:38,565 by a terrorist force and abducted and taken somewhere, 1965 01:23:38,745 --> 01:23:42,365 and they're, uh, remote, remote viewers. 1966 01:23:42,675 --> 01:23:45,685 Yeah. So the remote viewer, you know, who was working on 1967 01:23:45,685 --> 01:23:49,085 that, drew, like a, a, an industrial place 1968 01:23:49,505 --> 01:23:52,005 and a, like a green pup tent. 1969 01:23:52,385 --> 01:23:54,245 Of course, what the CIA needs is, you know, 1970 01:23:54,245 --> 01:23:55,365 where is he, where's an address? 1971 01:23:55,365 --> 01:23:56,485 What city? You know, I mean, 1972 01:23:56,715 --> 01:23:58,125 that doesn't do anything for you. 1973 01:23:58,625 --> 01:24:01,565 But when they found the guy, he was an industrial area 1974 01:24:01,785 --> 01:24:02,925 and he wasn't a green pup. 1975 01:24:03,345 --> 01:24:04,605 You know, you wonder . 1976 01:24:05,195 --> 01:24:08,465 - Yeah, well, I read the book, the Men That Stare at Goats, 1977 01:24:08,485 --> 01:24:09,745 and that was such a great, oh, 1978 01:24:09,745 --> 01:24:10,745 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1979 01:24:10,745 --> 01:24:12,225 I saw that movie too. Yeah. Yeah. Well, 1980 01:24:12,225 --> 01:24:13,705 - The movie was more playful. 1981 01:24:13,765 --> 01:24:15,385 The book is really fascinating. 1982 01:24:16,225 --> 01:24:19,015 I would love to be a Pollyanna person 1983 01:24:19,315 --> 01:24:20,855 who wears rose colored glasses 1984 01:24:21,115 --> 01:24:22,855 and just says, can we all get along? 1985 01:24:22,955 --> 01:24:26,895 But I know the reality is not that you have an open door 1986 01:24:27,075 --> 01:24:30,135 to be on the show anytime, so, absolutely. 1987 01:24:30,205 --> 01:24:32,975 I've been delighted by this conversation as intense 1988 01:24:32,995 --> 01:24:34,935 as it got in some places. Yeah, 1989 01:24:35,165 --> 01:24:36,165 - Yeah. 1990 01:24:36,165 --> 01:24:38,335 And then we're in bad shape, like I said, it's gonna, 1991 01:24:38,685 --> 01:24:41,535 it's gonna take a lot to get back, you know, any kind 1992 01:24:41,535 --> 01:24:42,695 of a semblance of 1993 01:24:42,695 --> 01:24:44,495 what the United States of America used to be. 1994 01:24:45,075 --> 01:24:47,295 And I, you know, I'm a pess, I'm not a pessimistic guy. 1995 01:24:47,315 --> 01:24:49,615 I'm an optimistic guy, and I like to have fun 1996 01:24:49,615 --> 01:24:50,935 and tell, you know, funny stories. 1997 01:24:50,995 --> 01:24:53,015 But, you know, I mean, the, the truth is 1998 01:24:53,015 --> 01:24:54,215 that we're in a bad way. 1999 01:24:54,855 --> 01:24:58,095 I, I understand as an intelligence officer that you know to, 2000 01:24:58,275 --> 01:25:00,375 to right the problems that are wrong. 2001 01:25:01,315 --> 01:25:02,535 You can't do it like we're talking. 2002 01:25:02,595 --> 01:25:04,095 You can't do it with a snap of the finger. 2003 01:25:04,155 --> 01:25:07,655 You can't just say, okay, we understand and have it done. 2004 01:25:08,275 --> 01:25:12,455 And in fact, I, I think there is a, there's a trend 2005 01:25:13,145 --> 01:25:15,705 among politicians to where 2006 01:25:16,255 --> 01:25:18,505 politicians think if they acknowledge a problem, 2007 01:25:18,695 --> 01:25:20,665 it's the same as solving it, you know? 2008 01:25:20,765 --> 01:25:23,905 So if people say, oh, China's our biggest threat, it's like, 2009 01:25:24,165 --> 01:25:26,505 oh, okay, automatically it's, it's taken care of. 2010 01:25:26,645 --> 01:25:28,545 But no, China is a, is our biggest threat. 2011 01:25:28,545 --> 01:25:30,705 That means you gotta bill of a Navy, the Department 2012 01:25:30,705 --> 01:25:34,745 of Defense just slashed it's budget, you know, 2013 01:25:34,745 --> 01:25:36,865 because it's trying to fit into continuing 2014 01:25:37,145 --> 01:25:38,345 resolution budget deals. 2015 01:25:39,085 --> 01:25:41,225 And they've been doing this for five, seven years, 2016 01:25:41,325 --> 01:25:42,385 and they don't have any money. 2017 01:25:42,385 --> 01:25:44,985 They can't do planning, they can't get new stuff going. 2018 01:25:44,985 --> 01:25:46,305 They can't start new programs 2019 01:25:46,305 --> 01:25:47,545 because they don't have the money. 2020 01:25:47,725 --> 01:25:51,025 So you can talk about we need more submarines, we need more, 2021 01:25:51,085 --> 01:25:53,585 you know, destroyers, we need defenses in 2022 01:25:53,655 --> 01:25:54,705 Guam, we need all this. 2023 01:25:54,965 --> 01:25:58,625 But unless you fund it and the funding gets to the military 2024 01:25:58,645 --> 01:26:01,265 and they use it for that purpose, it doesn't get done. 2025 01:26:01,645 --> 01:26:03,805 And so all I've heard among politicians 2026 01:26:03,865 --> 01:26:06,085 so far is acknowledging problems, 2027 01:26:06,465 --> 01:26:08,445 but not doing anything to solve the problems. 2028 01:26:09,065 --> 01:26:11,765 - Our politicians are spending far too much time arguing 2029 01:26:12,075 --> 01:26:14,525 with each other to do an actual good. 2030 01:26:14,595 --> 01:26:15,725 It's really frustrating. 2031 01:26:16,575 --> 01:26:18,025 - Yeah, absolutely. I 2032 01:26:18,025 --> 01:26:19,785 - Really appreciate you taking the time. 2033 01:26:20,235 --> 01:26:21,235 Thank you so much. 2034 01:26:22,835 --> 01:26:24,705 - Thank you. Talk to you later. Bye. 2035 01:26:27,255 --> 01:26:29,025 - Rate review and subscribe to, Hey, 2036 01:26:29,025 --> 01:26:31,585 human Podcast on iTunes, Spotify, iHeart, 2037 01:26:31,945 --> 01:26:32,945 wherever you get your podcast. 2038 01:26:33,645 --> 01:26:34,825 Thanks. Bye.