1 00:00:08,025 --> 00:00:08,565 - Hey, humans. 2 00:00:08,815 --> 00:00:10,525 How's it going? Susan Ruth here. 3 00:00:10,525 --> 00:00:12,445 Thanks for listening to another episode 4 00:00:12,905 --> 00:00:14,125 of Hey Human Podcast. 5 00:00:15,915 --> 00:00:17,965 This is episode 397, 6 00:00:18,665 --> 00:00:20,925 and my guest is Mikey Weinstein. 7 00:00:21,945 --> 00:00:24,885 He has so many accolades and things that he is done. 8 00:00:25,025 --> 00:00:29,005 I'm gonna quote directly from the website 9 00:00:29,385 --> 00:00:31,605 of the company that he is the president 10 00:00:31,605 --> 00:00:34,205 and founder of military religious freedom.org. 11 00:00:34,825 --> 00:00:39,525 To describe him, Mikey is, quote, the undisputed leader 12 00:00:39,665 --> 00:00:43,045 of the national movement to restore the obliterated wall, 13 00:00:43,055 --> 00:00:44,085 separating church 14 00:00:44,085 --> 00:00:47,845 and state in the most technologically lethal organization 15 00:00:47,955 --> 00:00:51,805 ever created by humankind, the United States Armed Forces, 16 00:00:52,635 --> 00:00:55,005 described by Harper's Magazine as the 17 00:00:56,045 --> 00:00:58,925 constitutional conscience of the US military, 18 00:00:59,285 --> 00:01:02,045 a man determined to force accountability. 19 00:01:02,995 --> 00:01:06,325 He's an Air Force veteran, and Mikey's family has a long 20 00:01:06,345 --> 00:01:08,365 and distinguished US military history, 21 00:01:08,445 --> 00:01:12,165 spanning three consecutive generations of military academy 22 00:01:12,765 --> 00:01:16,765 graduates in over 130 years of combined active duty 23 00:01:17,605 --> 00:01:21,325 military service in every major combat engagement our 24 00:01:21,325 --> 00:01:23,805 country has been in from World War I 25 00:01:23,825 --> 00:01:25,925 to the current global War on Terror. 26 00:01:26,915 --> 00:01:28,205 He's a registered Republican, 27 00:01:28,425 --> 00:01:31,125 and as a lawyer, spent over three years working in 28 00:01:31,145 --> 00:01:34,085 and for the West Wing of the Reagan administration 29 00:01:34,785 --> 00:01:36,725 as legal counsel in the White House. 30 00:01:37,505 --> 00:01:38,845 In his final position there, 31 00:01:39,055 --> 00:01:41,285 Mikey was named the committee management officer 32 00:01:41,905 --> 00:01:45,725 of the much publicized Iran Contra investigation 33 00:01:46,265 --> 00:01:48,605 in his capacity as assistant general counsel 34 00:01:48,825 --> 00:01:51,445 of the White House Office of Administration, 35 00:01:51,795 --> 00:01:55,205 executive Office of the President of the United States. 36 00:01:55,635 --> 00:01:57,965 He's the author of, with God on our Side, 37 00:01:58,105 --> 00:02:01,365 one man's War against the Evangelical coup in America's 38 00:02:01,725 --> 00:02:05,925 military, and also no snowflake in an avalanche, 39 00:02:06,025 --> 00:02:09,645 the military Religious Freedom Foundation, its battle 40 00:02:09,745 --> 00:02:11,565 to defend the Constitution. 41 00:02:12,065 --> 00:02:14,925 And one family's courageous war against religious 42 00:02:14,925 --> 00:02:16,445 extremism in high places. 43 00:02:18,105 --> 00:02:21,525 He likes long titles too, . So that's a mouthful. 44 00:02:22,225 --> 00:02:25,405 In 2012, defense News named Mikey, one 45 00:02:25,405 --> 00:02:29,405 of the 100 most influential people in the US Defense 46 00:02:30,105 --> 00:02:33,285 in 2014, for the sixth consecutive year, 47 00:02:33,385 --> 00:02:35,325 the Military Religious Freedom Foundation 48 00:02:35,865 --> 00:02:37,245 was officially nominated 49 00:02:37,625 --> 00:02:41,005 for the 2015 Nobel Peace Prize. 50 00:02:41,345 --> 00:02:43,365 Its seventh total nomination. 51 00:02:43,585 --> 00:02:46,685 He is a force of nature, and that's an understatement. 52 00:02:47,545 --> 00:02:48,725 He, he moves quickly. 53 00:02:48,865 --> 00:02:51,445 He speaks quickly, and he's on a mission, 54 00:02:51,765 --> 00:02:53,165 a really fascinating conversation. 55 00:02:53,535 --> 00:02:56,125 Check out, Hey, human podcast for links, 56 00:02:56,125 --> 00:02:57,965 and to learn more about my guests in the show, 57 00:02:58,415 --> 00:03:00,725 check out Susan ruth.com to learn about me 58 00:03:00,825 --> 00:03:02,845 and my other artistic endeavors. 59 00:03:03,145 --> 00:03:07,005 Follow Susan Ruths and hey, human podcast on social media. 60 00:03:07,595 --> 00:03:11,485 Find my albums on Spotify, apple Music, Amazon music, 61 00:03:11,665 --> 00:03:14,725 or wherever you get your music rate review 62 00:03:14,725 --> 00:03:18,725 and subscribe to, Hey, human podcast on iTunes or Spotify, 63 00:03:19,185 --> 00:03:21,605 or iHeart or wherever you get your podcasts. 64 00:03:22,255 --> 00:03:26,565 Thank you for listening. Be well, be kind, be love. 65 00:03:27,275 --> 00:03:31,085 Here we go, everyone. 66 00:03:31,085 --> 00:03:32,845 This is a trigger warning for this episode. 67 00:03:33,325 --> 00:03:36,805 Violence threats and language that is not the usual 68 00:03:37,485 --> 00:03:38,725 F bomb or whatnot. 69 00:03:39,075 --> 00:03:43,165 It's a little bit more intense. So just FYI trigger warning. 70 00:03:45,165 --> 00:03:47,155 Mikey Weinstein, welcome to Hey, human. 71 00:03:48,005 --> 00:03:49,915 - Thank you. It's great to be human and hey, 72 00:03:50,495 --> 00:03:51,495 - Hey, . 73 00:03:51,495 --> 00:03:54,275 Shout out to, uh, Gary for introducing us. 74 00:03:55,255 --> 00:03:56,625 - Yeah, very much so. 75 00:03:56,625 --> 00:03:58,305 - Yeah, I appreciate that. He's awesome. 76 00:03:58,915 --> 00:03:59,945 Let's jump right in. 77 00:04:00,105 --> 00:04:04,865 I like to start these shows with a background of you as 78 00:04:04,865 --> 00:04:06,065 to what shaped you. 79 00:04:06,065 --> 00:04:08,105 Obviously, I know you went to the Air Force Academy, 80 00:04:08,325 --> 00:04:11,345 but just as a child, the household that you grew up in, 81 00:04:11,485 --> 00:04:13,545 how did that shape you as a person? 82 00:04:14,605 --> 00:04:17,145 - You know, um, I've been watching, um, the, uh, 83 00:04:17,165 --> 00:04:20,505 my youngest son, uh, got me into, uh, the NBC TV show. 84 00:04:20,505 --> 00:04:22,705 This Is Us, that, that show's very much about that. 85 00:04:22,705 --> 00:04:25,145 You know, I grew up in a very strong nuclear family. 86 00:04:25,685 --> 00:04:28,025 Uh, my dad, uh, went to the Naval Academy 87 00:04:28,045 --> 00:04:29,585 and took his commission in the Air Force 88 00:04:29,935 --> 00:04:32,585 because the Air Force Academy hadn't started yet. 89 00:04:32,725 --> 00:04:34,545 It technically started in 54, 90 00:04:34,965 --> 00:04:36,905 and he graduated from Annapolis in 53. 91 00:04:36,905 --> 00:04:37,945 So he went into the Air Force, 92 00:04:38,085 --> 00:04:40,625 and, you know, my family was a military family. 93 00:04:40,685 --> 00:04:44,225 My dad was, uh, was strict, but not, um, not cruel. 94 00:04:44,245 --> 00:04:47,545 He was loving. My mom was very loving and, uh, you know, 95 00:04:47,545 --> 00:04:48,545 but we knew early on, 96 00:04:48,605 --> 00:04:50,665 we were not like most other people in the military. 97 00:04:50,845 --> 00:04:53,545 We were Jewish, you know, I mean, I'm still proud 98 00:04:53,545 --> 00:04:55,665 to be Jewish, very much ethnically 99 00:04:55,665 --> 00:04:57,265 and culturally, I just don't buy into, 100 00:04:57,375 --> 00:04:58,585 into the theology that much. 101 00:04:59,045 --> 00:05:00,385 Uh, I still, you know, I'll 102 00:05:00,385 --> 00:05:01,465 pray three times a day in Hebrew. 103 00:05:01,965 --> 00:05:03,185 I'm not sure there's anybody up there. 104 00:05:03,285 --> 00:05:06,065 But, uh, the values I got were built on, um, 105 00:05:06,065 --> 00:05:08,065 despite the fact that we're all, you know, human beings 106 00:05:08,065 --> 00:05:09,745 that make a, you know, a hundred mistakes a day, 107 00:05:09,745 --> 00:05:13,545 maybe me more like 200 is that we're both mostly, uh, 108 00:05:13,565 --> 00:05:14,625 the, the key things. 109 00:05:14,745 --> 00:05:16,545 I think you could probably wrap up Susan, 110 00:05:16,605 --> 00:05:18,385 the 10 Commandments into just two, which is 111 00:05:18,385 --> 00:05:20,745 to help each other and love each other hard to do. 112 00:05:20,885 --> 00:05:23,265 And so, uh, trying to give back to the community 113 00:05:23,285 --> 00:05:26,745 and to, um, uh, when you do serve in the military, 114 00:05:26,845 --> 00:05:30,305 in the nation, you are protecting the country, you know, 115 00:05:30,305 --> 00:05:32,545 which is our tribe, as it were. 116 00:05:32,685 --> 00:05:35,105 And, uh, these days, that's a very difficult thing 117 00:05:35,105 --> 00:05:37,745 because we are an incredibly divided country. 118 00:05:38,015 --> 00:05:40,425 It's divided, husband and wife, brother and sister, parents 119 00:05:40,565 --> 00:05:42,545 and kids, grandparents, and grandkids. 120 00:05:42,985 --> 00:05:45,785 I just had a lunch today with a, a friend, guess I can use 121 00:05:45,785 --> 00:05:49,265 that term, of almost 30 years, that, uh, about 30 years, uh, 122 00:05:49,315 --> 00:05:51,625 who's completely MAGA, you know, he is been that way. 123 00:05:51,625 --> 00:05:53,185 It's very hard for me to even sit with him. 124 00:05:53,475 --> 00:05:54,585 While it was during lunch. 125 00:05:54,685 --> 00:05:57,845 We got a very hideous slur that came in saying, um, 126 00:05:57,945 --> 00:05:59,885 I'm not sure if I can say, fuck you Jews 127 00:06:00,425 --> 00:06:01,805 or Kikes, fuck you, kikes. 128 00:06:01,805 --> 00:06:05,165 That's right. And then he's, my friend started mentioning 129 00:06:05,165 --> 00:06:08,205 that, um, well, the K word to Jews can't be equated 130 00:06:08,205 --> 00:06:09,885 to the n word to black people 131 00:06:09,885 --> 00:06:11,205 because, you know, uh, blacks have suffered 132 00:06:11,205 --> 00:06:12,445 much more than Jews have. 133 00:06:12,545 --> 00:06:15,405 And besides that, uh, the word kike had been used 134 00:06:15,485 --> 00:06:17,805 for many other people in prior years, which of course, 135 00:06:17,835 --> 00:06:19,285 it's ridiculous to start talking about 136 00:06:19,285 --> 00:06:20,765 who has suffered more here and there or whatever. 137 00:06:20,905 --> 00:06:23,285 And how do you even talk to somebody like that, you know? 138 00:06:23,285 --> 00:06:26,325 And it, and then, so I've, I've, I've been forced to sever, 139 00:06:27,025 --> 00:06:28,365 um, based on my upbringing 140 00:06:28,365 --> 00:06:31,285 and how I have view reality through the, uh, what my parents 141 00:06:31,425 --> 00:06:34,365 and through, um, the experiences that I had, we all are 142 00:06:34,885 --> 00:06:36,445 creatures of cumulative experience. 143 00:06:36,825 --> 00:06:39,525 Um, so I have one of my classmates from the academy, uh, 144 00:06:39,525 --> 00:06:41,285 that I, I've, I retained in my orbit, 145 00:06:41,585 --> 00:06:42,805 who would be in the MAGA world. 146 00:06:42,805 --> 00:06:44,885 And then this other person, it's very hard. 147 00:06:44,905 --> 00:06:46,005 He recently lost a parent. 148 00:06:46,105 --> 00:06:48,125 And so I'm trying to be kind about it, 149 00:06:48,125 --> 00:06:50,125 but it was everything I could do to stay in, in that she in, 150 00:06:50,125 --> 00:06:51,565 in the, uh, at the table during lunch. 151 00:06:51,805 --> 00:06:52,925 'cause I just wanted to get up 152 00:06:52,925 --> 00:06:54,725 and tell him to fuck off, you know? 153 00:06:54,785 --> 00:06:57,765 So bottom line is we all make mistakes. We're all trying. 154 00:06:57,825 --> 00:07:00,245 Uh, I, I think probably the best thing was, uh, 155 00:07:00,645 --> 00:07:03,565 recently the, uh, late Sandra Day O'Connor, the first woman 156 00:07:03,565 --> 00:07:05,765 that ever got to the Supreme Court, and boy do we miss her. 157 00:07:06,345 --> 00:07:09,885 Um, as she was, uh, among her last words to her children, 158 00:07:10,065 --> 00:07:11,805 she recently just passed away very recently. 159 00:07:12,385 --> 00:07:14,485 She just said, um, you know, to her, I think it was 160 00:07:14,485 --> 00:07:16,485 to her son, he mentioned it, uh, uh, 161 00:07:16,505 --> 00:07:20,045 and I believe in her eulogy in Phoenix, Arizona, that 162 00:07:20,625 --> 00:07:22,085 she said, you know, we're basically here 163 00:07:22,085 --> 00:07:23,365 to help each other along the way. 164 00:07:24,225 --> 00:07:25,525 The bottom line is, none of us really know 165 00:07:25,525 --> 00:07:28,245 what we're doing here, how we got here, didn't ask 166 00:07:28,245 --> 00:07:29,805 to be here, where we're going afterwards. 167 00:07:29,945 --> 00:07:32,165 We can have all this dogma if we want, um, 168 00:07:32,345 --> 00:07:33,565 but we're free in this country 169 00:07:33,625 --> 00:07:34,885 to follow anything we want to. 170 00:07:35,545 --> 00:07:37,405 But we created a government 171 00:07:38,235 --> 00:07:40,965 that cannot tell you which dogma to follow. 172 00:07:41,705 --> 00:07:45,085 And when you use, in our case, the US Marine Corps, Navy, 173 00:07:45,085 --> 00:07:48,365 army Air Force Space Force, uh, the US Coast Guard, 174 00:07:48,365 --> 00:07:51,045 the US Maritime Service, Susan, uh, 175 00:07:51,185 --> 00:07:53,325 any 17 national security agencies, 176 00:07:53,785 --> 00:07:56,325 or even if you're a high school junior ROTC teacher, 177 00:07:57,025 --> 00:08:00,845 you cannot use the awesome power heft and, um, prestige 178 00:08:00,865 --> 00:08:02,005 and financial impact 179 00:08:02,385 --> 00:08:04,645 or financial strength of the US government, 180 00:08:05,105 --> 00:08:08,125 mostly in our case, the Department of Defense, to act 181 00:08:08,125 --> 00:08:11,725 as a force multiplier to push a particular dogma on 182 00:08:11,725 --> 00:08:13,285 otherwise helpless subordinates. 183 00:08:13,805 --> 00:08:15,165 I always tell people that we are not 184 00:08:15,925 --> 00:08:17,885 a complex meal like Chateau Brion. 185 00:08:18,335 --> 00:08:19,565 We're a freaking hamburger. 186 00:08:19,905 --> 00:08:21,725 You can't use your position of influence 187 00:08:22,265 --> 00:08:25,005 on a subordinate in the US military mostly. 188 00:08:25,065 --> 00:08:27,485 But these other places I mentioned as well, uh, 189 00:08:27,485 --> 00:08:28,965 the Veterans Administration, the, 190 00:08:29,025 --> 00:08:30,485 all those intelligence agencies, 191 00:08:30,585 --> 00:08:34,325 and to force, uh, a subordinate to, uh, adhere 192 00:08:34,345 --> 00:08:37,405 to your particular biblical worldview, 193 00:08:37,405 --> 00:08:40,085 because we've never really ever had a Muslim superior do 194 00:08:40,085 --> 00:08:41,645 that, or a Jewish superior. 195 00:08:41,645 --> 00:08:43,285 We had one atheist superior that tried 196 00:08:43,285 --> 00:08:46,125 that years ago is almost always what we would now refer to 197 00:08:46,125 --> 00:08:47,845 as a fundamentalist Christian nationalist. 198 00:08:48,035 --> 00:08:52,005 It's a very, very serious fight. 199 00:08:52,465 --> 00:08:53,645 Uh, we are in it, uh, 200 00:08:53,645 --> 00:08:55,565 we are very aggressive and we are militant. 201 00:08:55,605 --> 00:08:56,605 I mean, we get accused of being 202 00:08:56,605 --> 00:08:58,325 that I'd say very proudly we are, 203 00:08:58,345 --> 00:09:01,805 but we're, we're fighting against the technologically most 204 00:09:01,905 --> 00:09:05,205 lethal organization Susan ever created in the hi, 205 00:09:05,205 --> 00:09:07,725 in the history of homo sapiens, which is the US military. 206 00:09:08,265 --> 00:09:09,365 Uh, so you can't sit there 207 00:09:09,365 --> 00:09:11,365 and drink your tea with your, you know, uh, 208 00:09:11,365 --> 00:09:12,925 with your little, little finger sticking out 209 00:09:13,125 --> 00:09:15,925 and following these Marquita Queensbury rules when you're 210 00:09:15,925 --> 00:09:19,045 trying to advocate for a subordinate that, um, uh, is 211 00:09:19,045 --> 00:09:20,405 otherwise going to be crushed. 212 00:09:20,585 --> 00:09:22,205 And so it's, uh, that's, 213 00:09:22,545 --> 00:09:25,245 - And you're talking specifically where cos 214 00:09:25,245 --> 00:09:26,525 or people in position of power, 215 00:09:26,995 --> 00:09:29,565 basically tell their subordinates, 216 00:09:29,865 --> 00:09:32,645 if you don't follow my religious dogma, 217 00:09:32,645 --> 00:09:35,685 that I believe in your life is gonna be made a living hell. 218 00:09:36,115 --> 00:09:38,685 - Correct. And the religious dogma is almost in 219 00:09:38,685 --> 00:09:40,085 99.9% of the cases. 220 00:09:40,195 --> 00:09:42,485 It's what we refer to as Christian Dominion 221 00:09:42,865 --> 00:09:44,405 or fundamentals, Christian nationalism. 222 00:09:44,945 --> 00:09:47,605 Um, uh, basically it's the weaponized version 223 00:09:47,605 --> 00:09:49,165 of the gospel of Jesus Christ. 224 00:09:49,415 --> 00:09:51,165 We're almost at 87,000 clients. 225 00:09:51,325 --> 00:09:52,925 I think we'll pass it in the next couple of days. 226 00:09:53,215 --> 00:09:55,405 About 95% of them are Christians themselves. 227 00:09:55,935 --> 00:09:57,525 About three fourths are Protestant. 228 00:09:57,525 --> 00:09:59,005 The other one fourth are Roman Catholic. 229 00:09:59,425 --> 00:10:01,005 The other 5% are Jewish, Muslim, 230 00:10:01,365 --> 00:10:02,565 Hindu, you know, native American. 231 00:10:02,855 --> 00:10:05,125 We've had, uh, every type of religious 232 00:10:05,125 --> 00:10:07,325 or non-theistic, uh, viewpoint, you know, 233 00:10:07,325 --> 00:10:09,285 obviously atheists, agnostic, secularists 234 00:10:09,365 --> 00:10:10,925 and humanists, except for one, 235 00:10:10,925 --> 00:10:12,605 we've never had a Scientologist yet. 236 00:10:12,905 --> 00:10:14,485 - You might, you just don't know it. . 237 00:10:14,945 --> 00:10:16,885 - Oh, possibly, yeah. I mean, I know they have a, 238 00:10:17,115 --> 00:10:19,365 they have a large worship facility in the LA 239 00:10:19,365 --> 00:10:20,565 area, maybe more than one. 240 00:10:20,875 --> 00:10:22,325 - Huge, there's many. 241 00:10:22,675 --> 00:10:25,605 Quickly, I just want to point out, you are the founder, 242 00:10:26,325 --> 00:10:29,765 military religious freedom foundation.org 243 00:10:29,785 --> 00:10:30,805 for those that wanna look it up. 244 00:10:31,305 --> 00:10:33,125 And that is your life's mission. 245 00:10:33,625 --> 00:10:37,965 Now, the thing to point out, I think that is important 246 00:10:38,545 --> 00:10:42,165 is when one joins a world of service 247 00:10:42,625 --> 00:10:46,645 to the nation, it is intended 248 00:10:46,945 --> 00:10:49,245 to represent the whole of the nation. 249 00:10:49,705 --> 00:10:54,125 Not just one section, one religion, one creed, one color, 250 00:10:55,785 --> 00:10:57,085 one sexual orientation. 251 00:10:57,085 --> 00:11:00,685 That's not how it, it's not how it was supposed to be. 252 00:11:01,145 --> 00:11:04,645 And so you come in when people reach out to you 253 00:11:04,705 --> 00:11:08,405 and say, this is going on in my 254 00:11:09,575 --> 00:11:12,005 realm of work or military service, or whatever, 255 00:11:12,025 --> 00:11:13,565 and then you come in and try and, 256 00:11:13,745 --> 00:11:16,645 and help them stop it in its tracks. 257 00:11:16,825 --> 00:11:18,325 Can you explain a little bit of how it works? 258 00:11:18,945 --> 00:11:22,445 - Yes. Uh, anyone can go to our website@mrff.org. 259 00:11:22,945 --> 00:11:24,085 Our clients come to us 260 00:11:24,085 --> 00:11:26,645 because if they try to fight themselves, um, as you know, 261 00:11:27,235 --> 00:11:28,645 most everybody's been to a wedding. 262 00:11:28,825 --> 00:11:31,605 And when you try to stand up for your civil, uh, con, 263 00:11:31,605 --> 00:11:33,685 you know, constitutionally, um, guaranteed, 264 00:11:33,785 --> 00:11:35,685 and they're not privileges, you know, their, 265 00:11:35,685 --> 00:11:37,485 their rights separation of church 266 00:11:37,485 --> 00:11:40,005 and state in the military, it's like you turn yourself into 267 00:11:40,005 --> 00:11:42,845 what we call a tarantula on a wedding cake. 268 00:11:43,185 --> 00:11:45,125 And we've all been to weddings, tarantulas on a wedding. 269 00:11:45,135 --> 00:11:46,445 Cakes don't last very long. 270 00:11:46,905 --> 00:11:50,165 And when your military superior is proselytizing, 271 00:11:50,185 --> 00:11:52,365 you normally with this rep, weaponized gospel 272 00:11:52,425 --> 00:11:55,205 of Jesus Christ, get the hell outta my face. 273 00:11:55,265 --> 00:11:57,725 So our maam is not an option for you. So they come to us. 274 00:11:58,305 --> 00:11:59,525 We generally go two levels 275 00:11:59,535 --> 00:12:02,045 above their own commander, and then we weigh in. 276 00:12:02,045 --> 00:12:03,405 We've been doing this for, you know, we're in our 277 00:12:03,405 --> 00:12:04,725 21st year of doing this now. 278 00:12:04,935 --> 00:12:06,165 We're pretty well known. We have over 279 00:12:06,165 --> 00:12:07,205 900 people that work here. 280 00:12:07,205 --> 00:12:09,365 Like many civil rights organizations, many are volunteers, 281 00:12:09,365 --> 00:12:12,845 like if the A CLU and all these other organizations, uh, 282 00:12:12,865 --> 00:12:14,085 and of course, our paid staff. 283 00:12:14,085 --> 00:12:17,005 We have a, we have MRFF representatives, some more than one, 284 00:12:17,425 --> 00:12:18,765 and some bases more than one. 285 00:12:19,065 --> 00:12:21,245 Uh, everywhere we have them on nuclear submarines, 286 00:12:21,245 --> 00:12:23,285 on aircraft carriers, almost all. 287 00:12:23,285 --> 00:12:25,445 There's a, most Los Angelinos don't even know 288 00:12:25,445 --> 00:12:26,485 that you have an Air Force base, right? 289 00:12:26,485 --> 00:12:28,685 They're near LAX called Los Angeles Air 290 00:12:28,685 --> 00:12:29,845 Force Base. Did you know that? 291 00:12:30,325 --> 00:12:31,885 - I did not. - And you live right there. 292 00:12:32,195 --> 00:12:33,725 That was the, the one of my kids, 293 00:12:33,725 --> 00:12:35,125 when they graduated from the Air Force Academy, 294 00:12:35,125 --> 00:12:37,165 that was their, their base of initial assignment. 295 00:12:37,705 --> 00:12:40,365 Um, if you, if you just go to our, we, we just had, uh, 296 00:12:40,365 --> 00:12:41,565 Valentine's Day yesterday. 297 00:12:41,905 --> 00:12:43,245 We just read, just had to break up. 298 00:12:43,245 --> 00:12:44,645 Did you see that Valentine's story that we had 299 00:12:44,645 --> 00:12:46,005 to break up? Did you see it? I 300 00:12:46,005 --> 00:12:47,325 - Have not seen it yet. Oh, don't 301 00:12:47,325 --> 00:12:48,325 - You get our, aren't you on our list? 302 00:12:48,405 --> 00:12:49,405 Don't you get our press releases? 303 00:12:49,525 --> 00:12:52,725 - I get - Emails. Yeah. So we had to stop a commander, uh, 304 00:12:52,965 --> 00:12:55,205 a a a group of, um, members of the military 305 00:12:55,205 --> 00:12:58,165 that were basically going to have a Valentine's Day party, 306 00:12:58,545 --> 00:13:00,765 uh, during the duty day in the headquarters building 307 00:13:00,765 --> 00:13:02,525 of a combat unit of war fighters. 308 00:13:03,065 --> 00:13:05,725 The theme was, Jesus wants you to be his Valentine. 309 00:13:06,385 --> 00:13:08,965 So go to the website, see if story went pretty viral. 310 00:13:09,235 --> 00:13:11,045 It's everywhere out there. And that's a good example. 311 00:13:11,505 --> 00:13:13,445 We had 38 members of the military, all 312 00:13:13,445 --> 00:13:14,485 of them junior enlisted. 313 00:13:14,785 --> 00:13:17,765 Now, many journalists I've talked to have no idea of 314 00:13:17,765 --> 00:13:19,485 what the difference is between an enlisted member 315 00:13:19,485 --> 00:13:20,525 of the military and an officer. 316 00:13:20,705 --> 00:13:21,705 Do you know what it is? 317 00:13:22,625 --> 00:13:24,325 - In my understanding? 318 00:13:27,825 --> 00:13:28,925 - In many cases, that's it. 319 00:13:28,925 --> 00:13:30,845 There are a lot of enlisted folks that have been to college. 320 00:13:30,945 --> 00:13:33,125 But to become an officer, basically you have 321 00:13:33,125 --> 00:13:35,365 to be commissioned through West Point, Annapolis 322 00:13:35,365 --> 00:13:37,205 or the Air Force Academy, ROTC, 323 00:13:37,625 --> 00:13:39,925 or Officer Candidate School OCS 324 00:13:39,925 --> 00:13:42,125 or Officer Training School, OT, uh, OTS. 325 00:13:42,505 --> 00:13:44,685 Uh, there are some direct commissions in, in certain cases, 326 00:13:44,825 --> 00:13:47,685 but, uh, you know, generally the, uh, the ranks lieutenant 327 00:13:47,685 --> 00:13:49,365 through four Star General or officers. 328 00:13:49,745 --> 00:13:52,565 And then you've heard of private and semen and airmen. 329 00:13:52,825 --> 00:13:53,925 Um, so, you know, in this case, 330 00:13:53,925 --> 00:13:56,325 we had 38 very junior enlisted folks who came 331 00:13:56,325 --> 00:13:57,805 to us, most of them Christians. 332 00:13:57,805 --> 00:14:00,125 Again, we were able to get it stopped very quickly. 333 00:14:00,395 --> 00:14:02,765 This is blood sport. I've become a public figure, 334 00:14:03,065 --> 00:14:05,125 and I didn't ask to be a public figure. 335 00:14:05,665 --> 00:14:08,085 If you're a professional athlete, like, uh, a member 336 00:14:08,085 --> 00:14:10,005 of my beloved Los Angeles Dodgers, 337 00:14:10,625 --> 00:14:13,165 or if you're a, um, Hollywood movie star, 338 00:14:13,265 --> 00:14:16,125 I'm sure being a public figure is probably really cool. 339 00:14:16,585 --> 00:14:19,285 But if you do what I do, which is civil rights activism in 340 00:14:19,285 --> 00:14:20,805 the US military, it's four things. 341 00:14:21,425 --> 00:14:24,045 Uh, lonely, dangerous, brutal, and expensive. 342 00:14:24,545 --> 00:14:25,925 - How often do you get death threats? 343 00:14:26,805 --> 00:14:30,205 - I would say, uh, we get pretty grotesque threats somewhere 344 00:14:30,705 --> 00:14:32,805 in the neighborhood of multiple times every day. 345 00:14:32,935 --> 00:14:35,565 We're very careful with everything where we live. 346 00:14:35,665 --> 00:14:36,765 We have a lot of guns. 347 00:14:37,185 --> 00:14:38,645 We have two German shepherds in the 348 00:14:38,805 --> 00:14:39,885 backyard that are not pets. 349 00:14:39,885 --> 00:14:41,485 They're elite level, very expensive. 350 00:14:42,465 --> 00:14:44,845 Uh, highly trained protection security dogs. 351 00:14:44,845 --> 00:14:46,005 We have our own bodyguards. 352 00:14:46,005 --> 00:14:48,525 We work closely with the local law law enforcement folks. 353 00:14:49,065 --> 00:14:51,200 We have a lot of countermeasures that we have to use, use. 354 00:14:51,215 --> 00:14:53,205 We've had the windows shot out of our house twice. 355 00:14:53,695 --> 00:14:55,805 We've had innocent animals, uh, beheaded 356 00:14:56,265 --> 00:14:58,365 and, um, um, disemboweled 357 00:14:58,365 --> 00:14:59,485 and left on the front of our house. 358 00:15:00,055 --> 00:15:02,725 We've had swastikas and crucifixes painted on the house. 359 00:15:03,175 --> 00:15:05,325 We've had beer bottles and feces thrown at the house. 360 00:15:05,325 --> 00:15:07,045 We've had tires slashed and 361 00:15:07,045 --> 00:15:09,365 - All because people are upset that you're trying 362 00:15:09,365 --> 00:15:11,045 to maintain the integrity 363 00:15:11,225 --> 00:15:13,205 of the separation of church and state. 364 00:15:13,755 --> 00:15:14,925 - Yeah, I think there's a lot of it 365 00:15:14,925 --> 00:15:16,405 that my last name is not. 366 00:15:16,465 --> 00:15:19,445 Um, you know, my, my name was Joe, who was a plumber 367 00:15:19,785 --> 00:15:21,045 or Smith or Jones, but it's 368 00:15:21,045 --> 00:15:22,245 Weinstein and I'm a lawyer, right? 369 00:15:22,345 --> 00:15:24,845 So there's a tremendous amount of hatred in this country. 370 00:15:25,545 --> 00:15:26,685 Uh, there's a tremendous amount 371 00:15:26,685 --> 00:15:27,685 of ignorance in this country. 372 00:15:27,815 --> 00:15:29,365 We're finally beginning to pay for the fact 373 00:15:29,365 --> 00:15:31,565 that we stopped teaching civics in high school. 374 00:15:31,725 --> 00:15:34,525 I mean, I, in 2015, I guess I was naive in thinking 375 00:15:34,525 --> 00:15:37,525 that the American people would never elect someone as 376 00:15:38,085 --> 00:15:41,605 cowardly, ignorant, entitled, racist, misogynistic, 377 00:15:41,855 --> 00:15:43,285 homophobic, transphobic. 378 00:15:43,345 --> 00:15:44,485 And did I mention coward? 379 00:15:44,525 --> 00:15:46,165 I can't say that enough as Donald Trump. 380 00:15:47,145 --> 00:15:49,885 And now, if you support that, you know, 381 00:15:49,885 --> 00:15:52,085 which is the short term is maga, right? 382 00:15:52,085 --> 00:15:53,125 Make America great again. 383 00:15:55,025 --> 00:15:56,425 I, I couldn't be married to someone like that. 384 00:15:56,505 --> 00:15:57,505 I don't wanna have friends like that. 385 00:15:57,705 --> 00:15:58,865 I told you I have two exceptions. 386 00:15:59,265 --> 00:16:02,025 - I think it's important because if change, if, if, 387 00:16:02,125 --> 00:16:03,785 if we're gonna understand each other 388 00:16:03,925 --> 00:16:07,305 and get along in this country, he, 389 00:16:07,305 --> 00:16:09,545 it's not like he's going away, right? 390 00:16:09,865 --> 00:16:12,025 I, and I don't know what the answer is for that. 391 00:16:12,485 --> 00:16:14,905 And it's interesting because you are Jewish, 392 00:16:15,165 --> 00:16:17,345 but I read on your bio 393 00:16:17,415 --> 00:16:19,665 that you're also a registered Republican. 394 00:16:19,845 --> 00:16:23,065 I'm sure people think you're a raging liberal wing nut 395 00:16:23,205 --> 00:16:24,225 or whatever, , 396 00:16:24,805 --> 00:16:27,465 - Um, Pacific Palisades isn't very far from you, is it? 397 00:16:27,765 --> 00:16:30,945 - It is not. - So a number of years ago, I was given, um, 398 00:16:31,145 --> 00:16:32,545 a political courage award 399 00:16:32,565 --> 00:16:34,625 by the Pacific Palisades Democratic Club. 400 00:16:35,215 --> 00:16:36,625 Once they found out that I'd been a, 401 00:16:36,705 --> 00:16:37,905 a lawyer for a Reagan in the White House. 402 00:16:37,985 --> 00:16:39,945 I was a registered, uh, Republican, which is true. 403 00:16:39,945 --> 00:16:41,345 I haven't been able to find one to vote for 404 00:16:41,345 --> 00:16:42,825 for about 30 years, you know. 405 00:16:42,905 --> 00:16:45,865 But other than that, I can't find a Republican that I, that, 406 00:16:45,865 --> 00:16:48,465 you know, doesn't make me want to projectile vomit. 407 00:16:48,835 --> 00:16:51,265 About two or three days after they gave me the award, uh, 408 00:16:51,495 --> 00:16:52,785 made it, made the announcement, 409 00:16:53,015 --> 00:16:54,705 they decided they were gonna take it back again. 410 00:16:55,085 --> 00:16:57,465 And then I had some great support from prior winners of 411 00:16:57,465 --> 00:16:59,745 that ambassador, Joe Wilson, who's now passed away, 412 00:17:00,375 --> 00:17:02,585 Phil Donahue, Mike Farrell, 413 00:17:02,645 --> 00:17:04,545 Mike's on our advisory board, and he was the one that 414 00:17:04,565 --> 00:17:05,745 - Mike's been on the show. He is great. 415 00:17:05,985 --> 00:17:07,065 - I love Mike. He's fantastic. 416 00:17:07,245 --> 00:17:09,745 And he was actually the one that when that day recanted 417 00:17:09,745 --> 00:17:11,385 and said, no, no, no, I guess you can have the award. 418 00:17:11,645 --> 00:17:13,025 So they flew my wife and out there, 419 00:17:13,125 --> 00:17:13,985 and Mike is the one that 420 00:17:14,145 --> 00:17:15,225 actually presented me with the award. 421 00:17:15,585 --> 00:17:17,025 I do disagree with you a little bit. 422 00:17:17,465 --> 00:17:19,185 I don't know that civil discourse is 423 00:17:19,185 --> 00:17:20,305 gonna be possible anymore. 424 00:17:20,805 --> 00:17:22,425 If I need to sit down and explain, 425 00:17:22,455 --> 00:17:23,585 give me, give you my views. 426 00:17:23,925 --> 00:17:26,585 If I need to explain to someone, if I have 427 00:17:26,585 --> 00:17:29,905 to explain why Donald Trump is a fucking piece of shit, 428 00:17:30,485 --> 00:17:32,185 and I don't know what your rules are on this podcast, 429 00:17:32,605 --> 00:17:34,985 but I am the way that I am, my passionate person, 430 00:17:35,325 --> 00:17:36,785 highly flawed, passionate person. 431 00:17:37,485 --> 00:17:39,465 I'm not wasting my time if it's so odd. 432 00:17:39,565 --> 00:17:41,905 And I know that many of them are spoonfed from Fox News. 433 00:17:41,945 --> 00:17:43,225 I did an interview with them the other day. 434 00:17:43,605 --> 00:17:46,265 You know, all the one American, uh, now, uh, one American, 435 00:17:46,285 --> 00:17:49,690 um, uh, news, um, Newsmax, Breitbart, you know, all the ones 436 00:17:49,690 --> 00:17:51,525 that are out there, epic news box. 437 00:17:51,755 --> 00:17:53,205 They get spoonfed by this crap. 438 00:17:53,265 --> 00:17:55,445 And, uh, and you know, my old parents voted for Obama 439 00:17:55,445 --> 00:17:57,285 that ended up voting for Trump again. 440 00:17:57,325 --> 00:18:00,005 I mean, they, they got that a disease called Fox iis. 441 00:18:00,465 --> 00:18:01,805 Um, if you know what I'm talking about. 442 00:18:02,105 --> 00:18:03,725 So, no, I don't, I'm, I'm not able 443 00:18:04,225 --> 00:18:05,925 to stomach being around people like that. 444 00:18:05,925 --> 00:18:08,805 This is a real life thing when you threaten to kill me 445 00:18:08,805 --> 00:18:10,845 or rape my wife, or kill my kids and grandkids 446 00:18:10,845 --> 00:18:12,525 and our staffers, or you wanna send 447 00:18:12,535 --> 00:18:13,885 bombs to us or the other stuff. 448 00:18:14,145 --> 00:18:15,565 No, that's serious stuff. That's why. 449 00:18:15,835 --> 00:18:18,685 - Well, I'm talking about sitting down with you, talking 450 00:18:18,685 --> 00:18:20,485 with somebody who has a different 451 00:18:20,485 --> 00:18:21,725 political discourse than you. 452 00:18:22,145 --> 00:18:24,565 I'm not talking about that. That's a whole other level. 453 00:18:25,605 --> 00:18:27,165 - I know, I, I know what you're saying, 454 00:18:27,185 --> 00:18:28,765 but see, I disagree with, with one 455 00:18:28,765 --> 00:18:29,845 of the words you just said in that 456 00:18:29,845 --> 00:18:31,125 statement, I have a different view. 457 00:18:31,565 --> 00:18:34,165 I don't view it as political. It's existential now. 458 00:18:34,165 --> 00:18:36,205 Just like that's become a cool word. Hey. 459 00:18:36,205 --> 00:18:37,925 And, and, you know, finally, Biden's getting around 460 00:18:37,925 --> 00:18:39,565 to saying that it's an existential threat. 461 00:18:39,595 --> 00:18:42,765 Whereas Adam Kinser also a Republican who voted 462 00:18:42,765 --> 00:18:45,045 to impeach Trump and was on the, uh, you know, 463 00:18:45,045 --> 00:18:48,005 was on the committee for, um, uh, reviewing everything 464 00:18:48,005 --> 00:18:49,045 that happened on January 6th, 465 00:18:49,045 --> 00:18:50,525 and then got, you know, then either left 466 00:18:50,525 --> 00:18:52,365 or he wasn't gonna be like Liz Cheney, 467 00:18:52,365 --> 00:18:53,805 he wasn't going to be voted back in again. 468 00:18:54,105 --> 00:18:56,805 He said, look, this is about democracy. Yeah. And that's it. 469 00:18:57,015 --> 00:18:59,005 Every other issue is secondary. 470 00:18:59,005 --> 00:19:01,645 So either you support democracy or you don't. Yeah. 471 00:19:01,825 --> 00:19:05,085 So I, when people say, and I don't mean this derogatorily 472 00:19:05,085 --> 00:19:07,645 or I don't mean to sound, uh, haughty about this 473 00:19:07,865 --> 00:19:12,565 or, um, pejorative or pedantic, uh, but it's not politics. 474 00:19:12,565 --> 00:19:14,605 We're using the liter, the Literative p 475 00:19:14,605 --> 00:19:15,885 here, pedantic, right. 476 00:19:15,925 --> 00:19:17,205 Pedagogy and, uh, everything else. 477 00:19:17,205 --> 00:19:20,405 - There's definitely a disconnect between folks who 478 00:19:21,065 --> 00:19:23,205 are supportive of Trump 479 00:19:23,625 --> 00:19:26,405 and those who call themselves Patriots. 480 00:19:26,405 --> 00:19:29,205 Because I've never seen someone who is 481 00:19:30,345 --> 00:19:34,845 so disrespectful and in disregard of a nation of peoples. 482 00:19:35,645 --> 00:19:37,685 - I agree. But see, it's, like I said, it's not political. 483 00:19:38,105 --> 00:19:41,005 Uh, he's now saying, if you don't give us the money, 484 00:19:41,835 --> 00:19:43,725 NATO Putin, you can do whatever you want. 485 00:19:44,065 --> 00:19:47,605 - Oh, I saw that. That's insane. It's insane. 486 00:19:48,205 --> 00:19:50,445 - I mean, so this is not about No, I, I, 487 00:19:50,605 --> 00:19:51,965 I think he's probably mentally ill. 488 00:19:52,125 --> 00:19:54,005 I, I, I mean, I take this very seriously. 489 00:19:54,345 --> 00:19:57,805 So I'm incredibly disappointed in so many Americans, 490 00:19:58,465 --> 00:19:59,605 and even our own process. 491 00:19:59,805 --> 00:20:00,885 I mean, I love Michelle Obama, 492 00:20:00,945 --> 00:20:03,525 but when she said, when they go low, we go high. 493 00:20:03,985 --> 00:20:06,565 No, Michelle, when they go low, we get, we have to go just 494 00:20:06,565 --> 00:20:08,485 as low to fight him or even lower if we need to. 495 00:20:08,885 --> 00:20:10,165 I mean, we literally, our way of, 496 00:20:10,235 --> 00:20:11,925 there's a real good chance Trump will be 497 00:20:11,925 --> 00:20:13,045 elected back in again. 498 00:20:13,225 --> 00:20:16,005 And even it is like, it's like our processes can't do 499 00:20:16,285 --> 00:20:18,485 anything because I've been in these rooms 500 00:20:18,485 --> 00:20:19,765 with lots of progressive folks. 501 00:20:19,765 --> 00:20:22,845 Organizations, when they get in a room together, they want 502 00:20:22,845 --> 00:20:25,045 to grab a pencil or a pen and peck each other's eyes out. 503 00:20:25,075 --> 00:20:27,685 I've been in those rooms. You get the conservatives in a 504 00:20:27,685 --> 00:20:29,485 room together, and they often work hand in 505 00:20:29,485 --> 00:20:30,725 glove just perfectly fine. 506 00:20:31,035 --> 00:20:32,685 They know how to fight and how to fight dirty. 507 00:20:32,945 --> 00:20:35,965 And on the other side, all I see is weakness, uh, 508 00:20:36,185 --> 00:20:37,405 uh, a lethargy. 509 00:20:37,765 --> 00:20:39,245 - I agree with you on that completely. 510 00:20:39,845 --> 00:20:42,085 - I give credit. I mean, but the fact that Fox called us, 511 00:20:42,085 --> 00:20:44,365 they were enraged about that vol Valentine's Day thing, 512 00:20:44,705 --> 00:20:45,285 but where was 513 00:20:45,325 --> 00:20:48,525 A-B-C-B-S-N-B-C-M-S-N-B-C-N-P-R, we've done all of them. 514 00:20:48,825 --> 00:20:50,565 But it's, it is very hard to get that, 515 00:20:50,565 --> 00:20:52,005 that mainstream media sitting back 516 00:20:52,025 --> 00:20:55,085 and, uh, uh, again, I'm, I'm all for capitalism, 517 00:20:55,625 --> 00:20:57,485 but I'm not for predatory capitalism. 518 00:20:57,745 --> 00:20:59,125 And it seems to be, how do I make money? 519 00:20:59,265 --> 00:21:01,125 It the same thing with Trump, you know, again, 520 00:21:01,125 --> 00:21:02,485 I think he's probably mentally ill, 521 00:21:02,485 --> 00:21:04,365 but to sit there and say, you know, you know, 522 00:21:04,885 --> 00:21:06,765 - I think he owed some very scary 523 00:21:06,765 --> 00:21:08,805 people a whole lot of money too. And I think 524 00:21:09,225 --> 00:21:10,225 - Yes, exactly. 525 00:21:10,835 --> 00:21:12,285 Very likely. But we won't know for sure. 526 00:21:12,305 --> 00:21:15,725 But I'm just saying that if he gets back in again, you know, 527 00:21:15,725 --> 00:21:18,165 there's already this plan, I forget the exact name, has, 528 00:21:18,265 --> 00:21:19,445 has the year 25 in it. 529 00:21:19,945 --> 00:21:21,765 - Oh, the 2025 project. Yeah. 530 00:21:21,865 --> 00:21:25,165 And he al he also said blatantly to his, 531 00:21:25,905 --> 00:21:29,285 to his constituents, that he will 532 00:21:29,905 --> 00:21:34,215 enable a dictatorship once that's his, that's 533 00:21:34,215 --> 00:21:36,355 what he wants, day one. 534 00:21:36,815 --> 00:21:38,875 - Of course, he will, this time they've learned better. 535 00:21:38,875 --> 00:21:41,235 They're going to clean out all the career civil servants, 536 00:21:41,505 --> 00:21:43,275 they'll take care of everybody in the military. 537 00:21:43,275 --> 00:21:44,635 You will not be in any position of power 538 00:21:44,895 --> 00:21:47,115 unless you are prepared to support this agenda. 539 00:21:47,585 --> 00:21:49,315 - It's North Korea, basically, 540 00:21:49,875 --> 00:21:50,875 - I think. 541 00:21:50,875 --> 00:21:51,875 Right, right. Well, I think the main, yeah, exactly. 542 00:21:52,175 --> 00:21:54,435 The main reason he he needs to win is to stay out of jail. 543 00:21:54,855 --> 00:21:55,955 - Of course. - I mean, 544 00:21:56,015 --> 00:21:57,395 I'm surprised that he was even indicted. 545 00:21:57,435 --> 00:21:59,795 I can't actually imagine him actually being, uh, 546 00:21:59,795 --> 00:22:01,035 convicted and going to prison. 547 00:22:01,455 --> 00:22:02,875 Uh, I hope I'm wrong about that. 548 00:22:02,975 --> 00:22:04,755 But, um, I do this for a living, 549 00:22:04,855 --> 00:22:06,035 and it's a very hard living. 550 00:22:06,535 --> 00:22:08,475 Um, it's very much like kissing a buzz saw 551 00:22:08,475 --> 00:22:10,435 or climbing an ice mountain naked every day. 552 00:22:10,815 --> 00:22:12,155 Um, you know, when you decide 553 00:22:12,155 --> 00:22:14,515 that you're gonna go up against, um, the US military 554 00:22:15,375 --> 00:22:16,675 in particular, uh, 555 00:22:16,675 --> 00:22:20,395 and our military is festooned with Christian nationalism. 556 00:22:20,735 --> 00:22:24,035 It just is, uh, the one movie I would advise all of you 557 00:22:24,035 --> 00:22:26,675 to try to go see is praying for Armageddon. 558 00:22:26,675 --> 00:22:28,475 We are in that one. It's a documentary. 559 00:22:28,475 --> 00:22:29,155 They're trying to get their 560 00:22:29,355 --> 00:22:30,435 distribution deal together right now. 561 00:22:30,435 --> 00:22:33,475 But you can look at the trailer praying for Armageddon, 562 00:22:33,475 --> 00:22:35,875 which it talks about the same people we're fighting, praying 563 00:22:36,015 --> 00:22:38,075 so hard for the end of the world. They, they've had enough. 564 00:22:38,665 --> 00:22:40,675 - Yeah, they are, - Let's bring Jesus back. 565 00:22:40,675 --> 00:22:43,715 And now they're promised a a 400 mile long river, 566 00:22:43,835 --> 00:22:45,195 a 200 mile long river, four 567 00:22:45,195 --> 00:22:47,075 and a half feet deep with nothing 568 00:22:47,075 --> 00:22:48,435 but the blood of those, that their version 569 00:22:48,495 --> 00:22:51,435 of weaponized Jesus carrying an AR 15 570 00:22:52,095 --> 00:22:53,795 has slaughtered at the battle of Armageddon. 571 00:22:53,815 --> 00:22:54,915 So, well, the 572 00:22:55,005 --> 00:22:58,395 - Irony, of course, is that if Jesus were to come back, 573 00:22:58,855 --> 00:23:01,115 he would embody all the things 574 00:23:01,115 --> 00:23:02,515 that they're rallying against, 575 00:23:03,195 --> 00:23:05,435 - I guess, you know, uh, the problem is, is that, um, 576 00:23:05,435 --> 00:23:08,555 if you look at certain parts of the New Testament, I mean, 577 00:23:08,555 --> 00:23:11,795 John 8 44 is thrown at me a lot where Jesus says, 578 00:23:11,795 --> 00:23:13,835 the Jews are the, uh, the, the offspring of the devil. 579 00:23:14,165 --> 00:23:16,435 There are murders and liars from the, the beginning. 580 00:23:16,495 --> 00:23:19,875 Of course, even in that book of John, he's referring 581 00:23:19,875 --> 00:23:22,195 to the Sadducees of the, um, the Jews that are in power, 582 00:23:22,555 --> 00:23:24,715 supposedly there, but they cherry pick this stuff. 583 00:23:25,055 --> 00:23:28,915 Um, it's not as though this is a real chill little, um, um, 584 00:23:28,915 --> 00:23:30,795 you know, a pacifistic Buddha. 585 00:23:30,795 --> 00:23:33,835 I mean, Jesus did say, I didn't, don't make the mistake 586 00:23:33,835 --> 00:23:35,115 of thinking I came here to bring peace. 587 00:23:35,275 --> 00:23:37,075 I didn't. I came here to bring the sword. 588 00:23:37,615 --> 00:23:40,715 And the bottom line is, if you don't bend your knee 589 00:23:40,715 --> 00:23:43,275 and kiss his ring, you're gonna be screwed up in this life. 590 00:23:43,275 --> 00:23:44,555 And then after you're dead, you'll burn, 591 00:23:44,785 --> 00:23:46,285 burn eternally in the fires of hell. 592 00:23:46,285 --> 00:23:49,605 And you can't even look forward to going into shock, uh, 593 00:23:49,605 --> 00:23:50,845 and not feeling the flames anymore. 594 00:23:50,885 --> 00:23:52,965 I mean, I've had this explained to me many, many times, 595 00:23:53,185 --> 00:23:54,605 you know, usually on a daily basis. 596 00:23:54,785 --> 00:23:58,285 So most of our staff, about 84% of our staff are Christians. 597 00:23:58,755 --> 00:24:01,645 Some of our best supporters are evangelical Christians 598 00:24:02,385 --> 00:24:04,205 who are, um, on our staff. 599 00:24:04,205 --> 00:24:05,685 They donate their clients of ours. 600 00:24:06,105 --> 00:24:08,325 But of course, the difference between being a, 601 00:24:08,985 --> 00:24:10,925 the difference between a fundamentalist Christian 602 00:24:11,145 --> 00:24:13,605 and an evangelical is that it's just like if you, 603 00:24:13,725 --> 00:24:15,165 I presume you probably have a driver's license. 604 00:24:15,705 --> 00:24:17,285 You are not free to drive anytime, anywhere. 605 00:24:17,625 --> 00:24:19,765 You cannot drive if you're stoned or drunk, 606 00:24:19,765 --> 00:24:21,725 or you're too tired or you're on prescription medicine. 607 00:24:22,185 --> 00:24:25,205 Uh, and so our whole thing is simply focused not on whether 608 00:24:25,255 --> 00:24:29,725 Jesus or Buddha or Yahweh or Vishnu 609 00:24:30,305 --> 00:24:32,005 or Spider-Man is the correct God. 610 00:24:32,035 --> 00:24:34,925 It's simply, we look at three things, the time, the place, 611 00:24:34,925 --> 00:24:36,845 and the manner Susan, in which a member 612 00:24:36,845 --> 00:24:38,245 of the military feels they have the right 613 00:24:38,245 --> 00:24:41,485 to deploy their faith or non-faith tradition. 614 00:24:41,705 --> 00:24:43,525 As I said, 99.9% of the time, 615 00:24:43,525 --> 00:24:45,965 it's a fundamentalist Christian trying to follow the, 616 00:24:45,965 --> 00:24:49,045 so-called Great Commission referenced at least twice in the 617 00:24:49,045 --> 00:24:50,605 New Testament, mark 1615 618 00:24:51,065 --> 00:24:53,125 and Matthew 28 19, which is one 619 00:24:53,125 --> 00:24:55,005 of the last things Jesus is supposed to have said to us 620 00:24:55,565 --> 00:24:58,085 disciples, which is go and make disciples of all nations 621 00:24:58,705 --> 00:25:01,565 if they try to use their military rank. 622 00:25:01,665 --> 00:25:02,725 You know, if you're, again, 623 00:25:02,725 --> 00:25:04,845 if you're even being gently proselytized, remember 624 00:25:04,845 --> 00:25:06,925 that is not like working at IBM or Taco Bell. 625 00:25:07,105 --> 00:25:08,245 That's your civilian boss. 626 00:25:08,245 --> 00:25:09,325 And you can tell them to, you know, 627 00:25:09,325 --> 00:25:11,165 to go fuck off in the military. 628 00:25:11,185 --> 00:25:12,605 That's a felony to do that. 629 00:25:12,785 --> 00:25:15,205 In the military, it's a felony to have sexual intercourse 630 00:25:15,205 --> 00:25:16,365 with someone other than your spouse. 631 00:25:16,805 --> 00:25:18,685 Adultery destroys unit cohesion, 632 00:25:19,155 --> 00:25:20,765 good order morale and discipline. 633 00:25:20,765 --> 00:25:22,845 Susan. Uh, if, if you're ordered to go 634 00:25:22,845 --> 00:25:25,525 to the base dentist at 4:00 PM to get a teeth cleaning 635 00:25:25,525 --> 00:25:27,445 and you don't show up, that can be a felony. 636 00:25:27,795 --> 00:25:30,605 It's a very d And the US Supreme Court has made it clear 637 00:25:31,075 --> 00:25:33,565 that when the First Amendment, when in relation 638 00:25:33,565 --> 00:25:35,805 to the military, is very different than what you get 639 00:25:36,005 --> 00:25:37,245 as a filmmaker, a journalist, 640 00:25:37,245 --> 00:25:39,325 or what I get as a civil rights advocate, you know, 641 00:25:39,395 --> 00:25:41,925 they want us to have the full panoply of, of, of rights 642 00:25:41,925 --> 00:25:44,045 for us under the First Amendment, not in the military. 643 00:25:44,065 --> 00:25:45,085 The military, if you say 644 00:25:45,085 --> 00:25:46,285 or do something, uh, 645 00:25:46,545 --> 00:25:50,565 the idea is we wanna maximize the lethality of our military 646 00:25:50,585 --> 00:25:53,245 to ensure that we can protect the full panoply 647 00:25:53,245 --> 00:25:54,725 of constitutional rights for everybody else. 648 00:25:55,305 --> 00:25:59,885 How do you do that? You maximize good order morale, um, uh, 649 00:25:59,885 --> 00:26:02,605 discipline and unit cohesion, mission accomplishment, 650 00:26:02,605 --> 00:26:04,045 and the health and the safety of the troops. 651 00:26:04,225 --> 00:26:07,645 So we don't care about any religious philosophy. 652 00:26:07,645 --> 00:26:10,045 What we care about is when you think you have the right, uh, 653 00:26:10,045 --> 00:26:11,605 you know, the time, place and manner to deploy. 654 00:26:11,995 --> 00:26:13,005 That is our focus. 655 00:26:13,585 --> 00:26:16,245 But with my last name being obviously Jewish surname, 656 00:26:16,425 --> 00:26:18,325 and with me being an attorney, my, my family, 657 00:26:18,385 --> 00:26:19,685 and like I said, I'm a registered 658 00:26:19,845 --> 00:26:20,885 Republican 'cause it drives 'em crazy. 659 00:26:21,385 --> 00:26:23,525 Uh, I just, again, haven't been able to support 660 00:26:23,525 --> 00:26:24,645 that in about three decades. 661 00:26:24,945 --> 00:26:26,005 And, uh, three 662 00:26:26,005 --> 00:26:28,845 of my kids are academy graduates from the Air Force Academy. 663 00:26:29,005 --> 00:26:30,005 I went to the Air Force Academy. 664 00:26:30,625 --> 00:26:32,565 Uh, my brother-in-Law went to the Air Force Academy. 665 00:26:32,665 --> 00:26:34,645 My father was an honor graduate, sorry, 666 00:26:34,885 --> 00:26:36,165 distinguished graduate from the Naval Academy. 667 00:26:36,305 --> 00:26:39,765 So we have over 165 years accumulated 668 00:26:39,865 --> 00:26:42,645 of combat experience in, in my family, 669 00:26:42,745 --> 00:26:45,765 in pretty much every major combat engagement the country's 670 00:26:45,765 --> 00:26:47,765 been in from really going back to the, you know, 671 00:26:47,765 --> 00:26:49,485 to the Civil War, to where we currently are. 672 00:26:49,625 --> 00:26:52,885 So, uh, we were, we're, we were kind of in the, the right 673 00:26:54,005 --> 00:26:55,965 position, um, the right time, 674 00:26:55,965 --> 00:26:57,165 place, and manner to fight this. 675 00:26:57,475 --> 00:27:00,485 - When did you see it begin? When did the tide turn? 676 00:27:01,045 --> 00:27:05,705 - February 4th, 2004, Hollywood, Mel Gibson, the passion 677 00:27:05,705 --> 00:27:06,705 of the Christ came out. 678 00:27:07,205 --> 00:27:08,205 Did you ever see that movie? 679 00:27:09,345 --> 00:27:10,585 - I didn't wanna see it. 680 00:27:10,815 --> 00:27:11,945 - Well, we had to see it. 681 00:27:11,975 --> 00:27:13,545 That movie was pushed down the throats 682 00:27:13,545 --> 00:27:15,905 of the cadets at the Air Force Academy, where I had three 683 00:27:15,905 --> 00:27:17,785 of my kids at the time, by their officer. 684 00:27:17,805 --> 00:27:19,905 And cadet chain of command was unbelievable. 685 00:27:20,385 --> 00:27:22,465 I, I looked at the movie, it was like a Jesus snuff film. 686 00:27:22,465 --> 00:27:24,465 We don't even refer to it by Mel Gibson's name, 687 00:27:24,765 --> 00:27:25,905 uh, the Passion of the Christ. 688 00:27:25,925 --> 00:27:28,265 We call it the Jesus Chainsaw Massacre, 689 00:27:28,265 --> 00:27:29,425 or Freddie versus Jesus. 690 00:27:29,725 --> 00:27:32,745 But if you'd seen it, and when I realized my kids were being 691 00:27:32,745 --> 00:27:33,745 forced, and the other cadets, 692 00:27:33,745 --> 00:27:34,745 you know, I realized, okay, stop. 693 00:27:35,285 --> 00:27:37,425 You know, in real life, you know, in, in a movie like, 694 00:27:37,425 --> 00:27:39,545 you know, like the short one that you just did, I presume 695 00:27:40,775 --> 00:27:42,685 music, you know, if once something big happens, 696 00:27:42,745 --> 00:27:45,605 you hear the drums, the trumpets, the the harps, whatever, 697 00:27:46,025 --> 00:27:48,405 uh, but in real life, you don't have a soundtrack. 698 00:27:48,625 --> 00:27:50,285 So sometimes when these big moments come, 699 00:27:50,285 --> 00:27:53,885 and that was Lexington in Concord for us, when I, when I saw 700 00:27:53,885 --> 00:27:56,285 what my alma mater was doing and pushing this, uh, 701 00:27:56,555 --> 00:27:58,765 this movie on these, uh, these, these kids 702 00:27:59,025 --> 00:28:00,405 and the staff, faculty, staff 703 00:28:00,405 --> 00:28:02,525 and cadets, I stopped what I was doing. 704 00:28:02,905 --> 00:28:05,205 We started the fight, we pulled on the thread, 705 00:28:05,205 --> 00:28:06,365 and we began to realize that the 706 00:28:06,365 --> 00:28:07,405 whole sweater was coming off. 707 00:28:07,705 --> 00:28:09,765 22 months later, we actually formed the, uh, 708 00:28:09,765 --> 00:28:11,205 the Military Religious Freedom Foundation 709 00:28:11,205 --> 00:28:12,445 in December of 2005. 710 00:28:13,225 --> 00:28:14,925 Uh, we went to all the other organizations. 711 00:28:14,925 --> 00:28:16,765 You can't get the A CLU to answer the phone. 712 00:28:17,075 --> 00:28:18,565 It's hard to get anybody else's attention. 713 00:28:18,865 --> 00:28:20,965 Jewish war veterans at the time, did nothing. 714 00:28:20,965 --> 00:28:22,565 The Anti Defamation League didn't next to nothing. 715 00:28:23,105 --> 00:28:24,365 So my wife and I finally realized, 716 00:28:24,505 --> 00:28:25,645 do we have to form something? 717 00:28:25,755 --> 00:28:27,485 It's not easy to form a civil rights 718 00:28:27,485 --> 00:28:29,005 organization whole cloth. 719 00:28:29,425 --> 00:28:32,045 And I mean, uh, I had not really received death threats 720 00:28:32,045 --> 00:28:35,045 before, or threats, you know, against, uh, my wife 721 00:28:35,045 --> 00:28:38,725 and children, grandchildren, my parents, um, our staff. 722 00:28:38,865 --> 00:28:41,165 And, uh, uh, you don't just suddenly go to school. 723 00:28:41,165 --> 00:28:42,925 Here's how you start a civil rights organization. 724 00:28:43,025 --> 00:28:45,205 So for 22 months, we were in this 725 00:28:45,205 --> 00:28:46,805 before we realized we needed our own thing. 726 00:28:47,265 --> 00:28:49,165 We started with five cadets at 727 00:28:49,165 --> 00:28:50,205 the Air Force Academy who are clients. 728 00:28:50,205 --> 00:28:51,885 And like I said, now, in a day 729 00:28:51,885 --> 00:28:55,685 or two, we'll go past 87,000, uh, most of them Christians. 730 00:28:55,945 --> 00:28:59,045 And so, uh, being told that you are not Christian enough. 731 00:29:00,145 --> 00:29:03,365 And so, uh, we have, um, well, uh, over 1100 732 00:29:04,035 --> 00:29:05,245 lgbtqia plus clients. 733 00:29:06,465 --> 00:29:09,325 We represent a little more than 18% of all Muslim 734 00:29:10,435 --> 00:29:12,405 Muslims in the US military that we're aware of. 735 00:29:12,585 --> 00:29:14,285 And, um, misogyny. 736 00:29:14,305 --> 00:29:17,645 And certainly we've helped many, um, pregnant women 737 00:29:17,715 --> 00:29:19,245 that want to abortion. 738 00:29:19,245 --> 00:29:21,205 We've, we've helped them because all of 739 00:29:21,205 --> 00:29:23,205 that is tied into the mothership of fundamentals. 740 00:29:23,205 --> 00:29:26,445 Christianity, the hate, so much hatred, as I said 741 00:29:26,445 --> 00:29:28,045 before, homophobia, transphobia, uh, 742 00:29:28,045 --> 00:29:30,005 antisemitism is Islamophobia, 743 00:29:30,395 --> 00:29:31,885 real hatred of the Constitution. 744 00:29:31,975 --> 00:29:33,965 Everything that, uh, that people like Trump 745 00:29:34,465 --> 00:29:36,485 and those who support him think it's great, 746 00:29:36,485 --> 00:29:38,365 because, you know, if you support him, you get lots 747 00:29:38,365 --> 00:29:40,085 of dollars contributed to your campaigns, 748 00:29:40,265 --> 00:29:42,285 and you get votes if you go against them, 749 00:29:42,345 --> 00:29:43,365 you may not get that. 750 00:29:43,505 --> 00:29:47,805 So it's, um, tremendous sense of despair and sadness. 751 00:29:47,805 --> 00:29:50,045 Looking at my good part of America, plenty. 752 00:29:50,045 --> 00:29:51,165 There are plenty of others that say, 753 00:29:51,165 --> 00:29:52,405 this is, no, no, we have to fight. 754 00:29:52,405 --> 00:29:54,165 But how do you, how do you fight against it? 755 00:29:54,425 --> 00:29:56,325 And, um, I'd love to be able to have civil discourse 756 00:29:56,325 --> 00:29:57,405 and sit down and talk about it. 757 00:29:57,745 --> 00:30:00,165 But I think that that ship has, um, sailed 758 00:30:00,625 --> 00:30:02,765 and, um, we're facing, uh, 759 00:30:02,765 --> 00:30:04,045 the most consequential election 760 00:30:04,045 --> 00:30:05,285 easily in the history of our country. 761 00:30:05,315 --> 00:30:08,045 This is beyond, I agree, beyond the Civil War. 762 00:30:08,265 --> 00:30:09,645 If he gets back, I, I don't, 763 00:30:09,725 --> 00:30:11,165 I guess I would pose this question to you 764 00:30:11,165 --> 00:30:13,245 and the li listeners of your podcast, Susan, 765 00:30:14,125 --> 00:30:16,605 I don't know which will be the bigger bloodbath if he gets 766 00:30:16,605 --> 00:30:19,495 back in again, or if he doesn't. 767 00:30:19,895 --> 00:30:21,055 'cause he is not gonna sit there and say, 768 00:30:21,055 --> 00:30:23,095 the election's fair, unless he wins it. 769 00:30:23,995 --> 00:30:25,535 You think he is gonna sit there and say, I won. 770 00:30:25,535 --> 00:30:28,495 But it was terribly unfair. But there is a bloodbath coming. 771 00:30:28,595 --> 00:30:30,815 And so I don't know exactly the magnitude. 772 00:30:31,295 --> 00:30:33,535 I know perhaps you've even spoken to fellow Americans, 773 00:30:33,535 --> 00:30:36,255 friends, family that say, if he gets in, we're moving. 774 00:30:36,365 --> 00:30:37,415 Okay, where are you gonna go? 775 00:30:38,065 --> 00:30:40,415 Where do you get away from the tentacles of America? 776 00:30:40,595 --> 00:30:42,055 You know, where, where do you think you're gonna run to? 777 00:30:42,275 --> 00:30:44,135 I'm not going anywhere. And we're, we're gonna, you know, 778 00:30:44,135 --> 00:30:46,575 we will fly this airplane into a mountaintop if we have 779 00:30:46,575 --> 00:30:48,855 to fight again, when you get, we probably get 780 00:30:48,855 --> 00:30:50,335 between a dozen to 18 fairly 781 00:30:50,575 --> 00:30:51,815 grotesque threats on a daily basis. 782 00:30:52,235 --> 00:30:55,055 But we've had, um, police on the job 783 00:30:55,125 --> 00:30:56,415 that made the threats on their, 784 00:30:56,415 --> 00:30:57,495 you know, on their computers. 785 00:30:57,995 --> 00:31:01,415 Uh, I was, I, um, certainly pre covid, in particularly a lot 786 00:31:01,415 --> 00:31:04,095 of public speaking, I gave a speech at a large Christian 787 00:31:04,095 --> 00:31:05,215 university in Colorado. 788 00:31:05,635 --> 00:31:06,855 Not the Air Force Academy, but 789 00:31:06,855 --> 00:31:07,935 that would qualify these days. 790 00:31:08,275 --> 00:31:10,615 But a, a public, uh, Christian university in Colorado. 791 00:31:11,195 --> 00:31:12,735 Our, uh, security team went up a week 792 00:31:12,735 --> 00:31:14,255 before, as they normally do, 793 00:31:14,875 --> 00:31:16,535 and, uh, briefed, uh, the, uh, 794 00:31:16,775 --> 00:31:17,775 security people at this college. 795 00:31:18,275 --> 00:31:20,975 And then about 18 hours later, I got a threat from one 796 00:31:20,975 --> 00:31:22,575 of the security people at that college. 797 00:31:23,095 --> 00:31:24,655 A threat that came in. Yes, that's right. 798 00:31:24,955 --> 00:31:27,335 The college refused to fire him, uh, 799 00:31:27,355 --> 00:31:29,375 but just said he wouldn't be working security detail. 800 00:31:29,375 --> 00:31:30,775 Of course, we had to come up with a whole different, 801 00:31:30,885 --> 00:31:32,055 different way of moving. 802 00:31:32,075 --> 00:31:33,135 And of course, uh, 803 00:31:33,575 --> 00:31:35,415 I normally don't speak without wearing kefler 804 00:31:35,415 --> 00:31:36,455 or bulletproof vests 805 00:31:36,455 --> 00:31:38,255 and stuff, so I'm not gonna make it easy. 806 00:31:38,355 --> 00:31:40,215 But you have to train, uh, 807 00:31:40,215 --> 00:31:42,175 with concealed carry weapons, which we all carry. 808 00:31:42,915 --> 00:31:45,335 You sit a certain way in a restaurant, in a movie theater. 809 00:31:45,895 --> 00:31:47,015 I mean, you try to do the best you can. 810 00:31:47,135 --> 00:31:48,615 I, I, I think about it a lot 811 00:31:48,615 --> 00:31:52,015 because, um, uh, as Winston Churchill said, 812 00:31:52,205 --> 00:31:54,855 there's nothing more exhilarating in human experience than 813 00:31:54,995 --> 00:31:57,055 to have someone shoot at you and miss, you know, 814 00:31:57,055 --> 00:31:58,255 but I'm not so sure they're gonna miss. 815 00:31:58,435 --> 00:32:00,935 And so, uh, like I said, that we're not complex. 816 00:32:01,365 --> 00:32:03,255 It's pretty easy to, to see what we're doing. 817 00:32:03,715 --> 00:32:05,255 And, uh, in this America, I mean, I, 818 00:32:05,295 --> 00:32:07,015 I remember when we had the, the simple issue 819 00:32:07,015 --> 00:32:10,015 of just hating George W. Bush for his policies. 820 00:32:10,235 --> 00:32:12,095 And then Obama came in and we, you know, 821 00:32:12,155 --> 00:32:13,735 and we thought things would be better. 822 00:32:13,735 --> 00:32:16,135 They weren't, I mean, clearly he was better, 823 00:32:16,135 --> 00:32:18,215 but that didn't trickle down through the bureaucracy. 824 00:32:18,835 --> 00:32:20,775 And, uh, with Trump, it went on steroids. 825 00:32:21,155 --> 00:32:24,255 And if he gets back in again, which is certainly possible, 826 00:32:24,735 --> 00:32:27,535 I don't know, like I said, column A blood bath 827 00:32:27,555 --> 00:32:29,735 or column B blood bath, he gets in blood bath. 828 00:32:29,735 --> 00:32:30,775 He doesn't get in blood bath. 829 00:32:31,515 --> 00:32:33,495 - I'm frustrated that the Democrats haven't given 830 00:32:33,515 --> 00:32:34,815 us a better candidate. 831 00:32:35,515 --> 00:32:36,535 - You know, I don't know 832 00:32:36,535 --> 00:32:39,055 that anyone else could have beaten Trump in, uh, 833 00:32:39,125 --> 00:32:40,285 you know, uh, four years ago. 834 00:32:40,625 --> 00:32:41,845 Um, so what are they supposed to do? 835 00:32:41,985 --> 00:32:43,285 Uh, put somebody else in there. 836 00:32:43,505 --> 00:32:46,765 Um, I, my fear is that if they did, I mean, who, 837 00:32:46,765 --> 00:32:47,845 who would be the better candidate? 838 00:32:48,065 --> 00:32:50,685 I'm would, I mean, I, I'm not, I'm not happy with Biden's, 839 00:32:50,685 --> 00:32:54,205 uh, unequivocal support of Benjamin Netanyahu 840 00:32:54,265 --> 00:32:56,565 and Israel Slaughter of the Gaza. Oh, 841 00:32:56,795 --> 00:32:57,805 - Yeah, me neither. 842 00:32:58,355 --> 00:33:00,925 Yeah. The fact that the loss of life, 843 00:33:01,115 --> 00:33:02,965 even any loss of life grotesque. 844 00:33:03,025 --> 00:33:04,965 But this is beyond the pale. 845 00:33:05,705 --> 00:33:07,565 - It is. And to sit there and say that every, um, 846 00:33:07,895 --> 00:33:09,965 Gazen is a, is a member of Hamas. 'cause they, 847 00:33:10,275 --> 00:33:11,275 - It's ridiculous. 848 00:33:11,745 --> 00:33:14,725 - Six over, over half the population's under the age of 14. 849 00:33:15,025 --> 00:33:18,205 But, you know, there are over 28,000 dead Gaza, uh, 850 00:33:18,365 --> 00:33:19,885 Palestinians in, in the, in Gaza. 851 00:33:20,025 --> 00:33:21,765 And of course, the, uh, uh, the people that 852 00:33:22,605 --> 00:33:25,165 unequivocally support national say, well, 853 00:33:25,165 --> 00:33:26,965 that's coming from the Hamas Health Aid. 854 00:33:27,075 --> 00:33:28,405 Well, where are your numbers coming from? 855 00:33:28,405 --> 00:33:30,685 You're 1200 or whatever. And I have family that lived there. 856 00:33:30,685 --> 00:33:32,405 My kids went there for, for birthright. 857 00:33:32,435 --> 00:33:34,045 I've never been, I'm, I have no interest in 858 00:33:34,045 --> 00:33:35,365 going to Israel, an American. 859 00:33:35,425 --> 00:33:37,125 And remember during Trump's reign, 860 00:33:37,585 --> 00:33:39,485 yet another settlement in the West Bank was named 861 00:33:39,485 --> 00:33:40,965 after Trump, which he loves. 862 00:33:41,205 --> 00:33:42,845 I would've loved to see Bernie Sanders in, 863 00:33:42,845 --> 00:33:43,845 or Elizabeth Warren. 864 00:33:44,425 --> 00:33:47,005 Um, I could live with, I could, at this point, 865 00:33:47,605 --> 00:33:49,005 I could literally live with Liz 866 00:33:49,165 --> 00:33:50,405 Cheney being president as a Republican. 867 00:33:50,725 --> 00:33:52,925 I would sleep at night with Mitt Romney. 868 00:33:53,165 --> 00:33:55,685 I would sleep at night. I hate Chris Christie. 869 00:33:55,685 --> 00:33:57,005 He's a sick offense, et cetera. 870 00:33:57,305 --> 00:33:58,805 Um, I can't stand Nikki Haley. 871 00:33:58,855 --> 00:34:00,685 She's, they all got on board the first time. 872 00:34:00,845 --> 00:34:03,165 'cause it would help them out. There are some Republicans 873 00:34:03,165 --> 00:34:04,885 and you know, Adam Kininger, as I said, 874 00:34:05,325 --> 00:34:06,325 I could sleep at night. 875 00:34:06,745 --> 00:34:09,165 Uh, but, um, and I was in the Reagan 876 00:34:09,165 --> 00:34:10,325 White House for over three years. 877 00:34:10,525 --> 00:34:12,405 I mean, I was there. I was one of his lawyers. 878 00:34:12,625 --> 00:34:16,205 And, uh, um, I was the committee management officer 879 00:34:16,225 --> 00:34:17,685 for the Iran Contra investigation. 880 00:34:17,885 --> 00:34:19,125 I, I get it. I understand it. 881 00:34:19,325 --> 00:34:21,285 I can, I feel confident in saying that 882 00:34:22,105 --> 00:34:25,245 if Reagan were alive today, he, he would be in a state 883 00:34:25,245 --> 00:34:27,285 of shock by Trump and the others that are there. 884 00:34:27,575 --> 00:34:29,445 There are many things he did that I couldn't stand. 885 00:34:29,605 --> 00:34:31,365 I was not a fan, but he was my client. 886 00:34:31,865 --> 00:34:32,925 But we're in a, uh, 887 00:34:32,935 --> 00:34:35,165 completely different parallax universe now. 888 00:34:35,545 --> 00:34:37,605 And it's, it's hard to believe that this is happening. 889 00:34:37,705 --> 00:34:38,805 But, but it is. 890 00:34:38,865 --> 00:34:41,445 And the, the, the, the forces of rationality, Susan 891 00:34:42,345 --> 00:34:45,885 and morality, uh, seem to 892 00:34:46,415 --> 00:34:47,645 bever moving very slow 893 00:34:47,645 --> 00:34:49,565 and unable to coalesce, to fight back. 894 00:34:49,715 --> 00:34:53,485 - Well, and I feel like his followers give him a pass 895 00:34:53,585 --> 00:34:54,925 for literally anything. 896 00:34:55,025 --> 00:34:58,165 But at the same time, they're screaming about any other 897 00:34:58,845 --> 00:35:02,485 American doing far less damage, , or, 898 00:35:03,065 --> 00:35:04,685 - Oh, I mean, even this whole thing with Fanny Wall 899 00:35:04,705 --> 00:35:06,565 of Willis right now, I mean, I, yeah, 900 00:35:06,605 --> 00:35:08,965 I wish he hadn't had this relationship with, 901 00:35:09,345 --> 00:35:12,605 but it's, it's, it's a peppercorn compared to the fact 902 00:35:12,605 --> 00:35:15,445 that this guy Trump called into the Secretary of State 903 00:35:15,825 --> 00:35:17,925 and said, find me just under 12,000 votes. 904 00:35:18,125 --> 00:35:20,205 I mean, come on. I mean, and but, 905 00:35:20,205 --> 00:35:21,805 but Trump himself said several years ago, 906 00:35:21,805 --> 00:35:24,805 he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, not, you know, not. 907 00:35:25,035 --> 00:35:26,205 Yeah, apparently. So 908 00:35:26,545 --> 00:35:27,845 - That's the problem when the cult 909 00:35:27,865 --> 00:35:30,285 of personality rules the land, 910 00:35:30,775 --> 00:35:31,775 - Right? 911 00:35:31,775 --> 00:35:34,605 Putin is, is smart. I can't stand him, but he's smart. 912 00:35:34,985 --> 00:35:37,005 Um, uh, AYA Khomeini, the head 913 00:35:37,045 --> 00:35:38,965 of Iran is smart, can't stand him. 914 00:35:39,465 --> 00:35:41,685 Kim Jong is smart. Can't stand him either. 915 00:35:42,145 --> 00:35:43,685 Uh, Xin Jinping, the head 916 00:35:43,685 --> 00:35:45,285 of China is smart, can't stand him. 917 00:35:45,335 --> 00:35:47,885 Trump not smart. Cowardly been given everything. 918 00:35:47,925 --> 00:35:50,725 I think he's been, whatever frequency he's been generating 919 00:35:50,725 --> 00:35:52,005 since he was about a year and a half 920 00:35:52,785 --> 00:35:55,405 or two, that's the same frequency he's always had. 921 00:35:55,585 --> 00:35:58,045 But it resonates with those that, that show it a, 922 00:35:58,165 --> 00:36:01,165 a very deep seated level of hatred, bigotry, 923 00:36:01,585 --> 00:36:02,885 and prejudice against women. 924 00:36:03,305 --> 00:36:05,285 Um, I honestly, I have a close friend of mine here. 925 00:36:05,315 --> 00:36:07,845 He's all actually on my board who said, Mikey, 926 00:36:07,845 --> 00:36:08,885 we're in the fix we're in now. 927 00:36:08,885 --> 00:36:11,685 Because there was irrational hatred of a woman running 928 00:36:11,685 --> 00:36:12,885 for President Hillary 929 00:36:13,665 --> 00:36:15,565 and irrational hatred of a black man 930 00:36:15,565 --> 00:36:16,645 who was president for eight years. 931 00:36:17,095 --> 00:36:21,205 Obama irrational hatred of a woman running for president. 932 00:36:21,545 --> 00:36:25,605 Um, and, uh, we have a tremendous, it's not just the incel, 933 00:36:26,065 --> 00:36:28,165 you know, look at a woman, and I look at Taylor Swift, 934 00:36:28,215 --> 00:36:29,445 who's you obviously, you know, 935 00:36:29,445 --> 00:36:31,925 she's up on the progressive side very much so. 936 00:36:32,185 --> 00:36:35,045 She supported, um, Biden, uh, back in when he, 937 00:36:35,045 --> 00:36:36,245 when he ran in 2020. 938 00:36:36,905 --> 00:36:39,365 But she's a woman, you know, she's been very successful. 939 00:36:39,785 --> 00:36:42,205 She has well earned power. She didn't inherit anything. 940 00:36:42,585 --> 00:36:46,005 And that is terrifying, not just to Republican men, 941 00:36:46,005 --> 00:36:47,125 but to certainly women as well. 942 00:36:47,385 --> 00:36:49,805 Uh, but I, I, I did, I think it's the irrational hatred 943 00:36:49,805 --> 00:36:52,525 of Hillary Clinton and the irrational hatred 944 00:36:52,525 --> 00:36:54,005 of a black man being president. 945 00:36:54,425 --> 00:36:57,125 And it shows us to be, uh, in, in, in, 946 00:36:57,265 --> 00:37:00,205 in a magnitude far more than we'd ever seen a country 947 00:37:00,205 --> 00:37:02,845 that is racist, hateful, and bigoted. 948 00:37:03,265 --> 00:37:05,045 Now, I'm not, is everyone in the country like that? 949 00:37:05,105 --> 00:37:07,645 No, of course not. I mean, Biden did win. 950 00:37:08,185 --> 00:37:09,925 Uh, is he, was he my first selection? 951 00:37:10,025 --> 00:37:11,125 Was he my fourth or fifth? No, 952 00:37:11,125 --> 00:37:13,405 but he's, he's the guy we got, you know, 953 00:37:13,425 --> 00:37:14,965 and in a perfect world, you know, I mean, 954 00:37:14,965 --> 00:37:16,525 we can't bring JFK back again. 955 00:37:16,905 --> 00:37:18,365 Um, you know, I, and look 956 00:37:18,815 --> 00:37:20,525 - Bobby, I would've preferred - Bobby. 957 00:37:20,825 --> 00:37:22,965 Oh yeah. Bobby would be, or, or, you know, Jimmy Carter. 958 00:37:23,025 --> 00:37:24,525 You know, these are all people that I thought were great, 959 00:37:24,545 --> 00:37:25,565 or I've often said 960 00:37:25,565 --> 00:37:28,565 that if you were walking down a dark city alley at two in 961 00:37:28,565 --> 00:37:32,445 the morning, and you were stopped by, um, a gang of, uh, 962 00:37:32,515 --> 00:37:34,405 well, you know, gangsters. 963 00:37:34,705 --> 00:37:35,925 And they said, okay, Susan 964 00:37:35,985 --> 00:37:38,045 or Mikey, we're gonna give you two choices. 965 00:37:38,065 --> 00:37:39,605 You're in the wrong place at the wrong time. 966 00:37:39,605 --> 00:37:42,005 There are no cops here. We're gonna do you see this orange 967 00:37:42,115 --> 00:37:47,045 sharpie, we're gonna mark this on your left hand so hard. 968 00:37:47,615 --> 00:37:50,005 It'll take you 20 minutes in the shower to get that off. 969 00:37:51,185 --> 00:37:52,365 Or if you don't want that, 970 00:37:52,775 --> 00:37:54,405 we're gonna stick this knife in your eye. 971 00:37:54,905 --> 00:37:57,165 So which would you like to have done to you? 972 00:37:57,265 --> 00:37:58,525 And then we'll let, you can go home. 973 00:37:59,585 --> 00:38:01,765 You're always gonna say, get that Sharpie out. 974 00:38:02,075 --> 00:38:03,765 I'll have to take that shower, but I'll try to get 975 00:38:03,765 --> 00:38:04,965 that orange stuff off my hand. 976 00:38:05,905 --> 00:38:07,325 So that's the difference between what, 977 00:38:07,345 --> 00:38:09,165 who the Democrats have and Trump. 978 00:38:09,645 --> 00:38:11,725 I mean, I, you know, I, do you understand what I'm saying? 979 00:38:11,985 --> 00:38:14,325 How hard is, how hard is this to make the decision? 980 00:38:14,865 --> 00:38:16,925 How difficult is it to say, you know? Okay. 981 00:38:17,465 --> 00:38:18,525 And so to sit there, 982 00:38:18,525 --> 00:38:20,405 and I was even disappointed with John Stewart the other 983 00:38:20,405 --> 00:38:23,605 night, try, I, I don't wanna see any, you know, look, 984 00:38:23,705 --> 00:38:24,965 I'm on this, I'm the guest on 985 00:38:24,965 --> 00:38:26,125 today, so I'm giving you my views. 986 00:38:26,605 --> 00:38:28,605 I don't wanna see any equating of badness 987 00:38:28,605 --> 00:38:30,845 between Biden who's supposed to be a senile, 988 00:38:30,845 --> 00:38:32,565 but he's also running a giant prime family. 989 00:38:32,905 --> 00:38:35,685 And Trump, who's the most disgusting, um, uh, piece 990 00:38:35,685 --> 00:38:37,565 of filth I've ever seen as a, as a human being. 991 00:38:37,905 --> 00:38:39,165 How hard is this to figure out? 992 00:38:39,315 --> 00:38:40,565 Well, apparently it's pretty hard. 993 00:38:41,085 --> 00:38:43,125 - I think we're, we are in the fight of our life, 994 00:38:43,465 --> 00:38:44,525 for sure. We 995 00:38:44,525 --> 00:38:45,525 - Are. 996 00:38:45,525 --> 00:38:48,045 We very much are. Yes. And, um, I had a question for you. 997 00:38:48,045 --> 00:38:51,045 You're the host. I, I love the name of this podcast. 998 00:38:51,055 --> 00:38:52,405 Where did you come up with a human? 999 00:38:52,945 --> 00:38:55,645 - Uh, I was in Nashville 1000 00:38:56,345 --> 00:38:59,925 and a shooting occurred, another shooting, 1001 00:39:00,185 --> 00:39:02,725 and within a couple months, the San Bernardino shooting 1002 00:39:02,745 --> 00:39:04,405 and pulse nightclub shooting happened. 1003 00:39:05,305 --> 00:39:09,755 And you remember I was at the bottom 1004 00:39:09,895 --> 00:39:11,875 of my faith in humanity, 1005 00:39:12,935 --> 00:39:15,875 and I was crying on the phone with my dad. 1006 00:39:16,335 --> 00:39:18,275 And I said, I just don't, I don't, 1007 00:39:18,315 --> 00:39:19,475 I think we've gone too far. 1008 00:39:19,675 --> 00:39:20,915 I don't think we can come back. 1009 00:39:21,655 --> 00:39:26,395 And it's devastating what has happened to us as a species. 1010 00:39:27,355 --> 00:39:29,355 - I agree with you. I, I, if I may ask, what brought you 1011 00:39:29,355 --> 00:39:32,635 to such, um, the na of your 1012 00:39:34,175 --> 00:39:35,525 sense of things being okay? 1013 00:39:35,605 --> 00:39:36,765 I mean, how did you hit rock bottom? 1014 00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:39,165 What, what had caused that? Just saying the cumulative 1015 00:39:39,165 --> 00:39:40,245 effect of the 1016 00:39:40,245 --> 00:39:41,245 - Cumulative effect. 1017 00:39:41,245 --> 00:39:43,085 And it was just one shooting after another. 1018 00:39:43,225 --> 00:39:46,845 And the, the fact that people, instead of dealing 1019 00:39:46,845 --> 00:39:50,485 with their own problems decide to take it out on others, uh, 1020 00:39:50,625 --> 00:39:53,365 we all know now that the pulse shooting occurred when a 1021 00:39:53,365 --> 00:39:55,645 person who had self deep self-loathing 1022 00:39:55,745 --> 00:39:59,245 for homosexual tendencies didn't know how to deal with that. 1023 00:39:59,265 --> 00:40:01,965 And so he is taking it out on everybody at that nightclub. 1024 00:40:02,145 --> 00:40:05,405 - Do you have siblings - Too? Too much older brothers. 1025 00:40:06,025 --> 00:40:09,445 - Ah, okay. Yeah. Do they feel very similar to you 1026 00:40:09,975 --> 00:40:11,325 about the way things are going down? 1027 00:40:12,565 --> 00:40:14,285 - I think that my brother, well, 1028 00:40:14,285 --> 00:40:16,605 my eldest brother suffered a pretty severe stroke. 1029 00:40:16,805 --> 00:40:19,205 I don't know that he thinks a lot about a lot of things, 1030 00:40:19,345 --> 00:40:24,285 but, uh, but I'd certainly, my, the middle child is, 1031 00:40:24,725 --> 00:40:28,165 I mean, his daughter is trans, so right there, 1032 00:40:28,165 --> 00:40:30,925 you've already got a different fight on your hands 1033 00:40:31,065 --> 00:40:33,005 for just hoping to keep her alive. 1034 00:40:33,545 --> 00:40:35,645 - No, I mean, it's, it's, we have a number of, you know, of, 1035 00:40:35,645 --> 00:40:38,405 uh, parents of trans children and trans clients ourselves. 1036 00:40:38,585 --> 00:40:40,645 And, um, we did our research on the podcast, 1037 00:40:40,745 --> 00:40:42,085 or I wouldn't be giving this much time to it. 1038 00:40:42,125 --> 00:40:44,285 I mean, there's, you know, there's, there's only what's 1039 00:40:44,285 --> 00:40:46,165 86,000 seconds in a day, 1040 00:40:46,545 --> 00:40:49,285 and they're all very valuable to all of us. And so, um, 1041 00:40:49,725 --> 00:40:50,725 - I appreciate that. 1042 00:40:50,785 --> 00:40:52,405 - No, I, I, that's why we, I wanted 1043 00:40:52,405 --> 00:40:54,005 to make time to be able to do this. 1044 00:40:54,185 --> 00:40:56,965 And, uh, we, you know, particularly I look back at a number 1045 00:40:56,965 --> 00:40:58,445 of my classmates from the Air Force County 1046 00:40:59,415 --> 00:41:00,445 can't even speak to them anymore. 1047 00:41:00,825 --> 00:41:01,925 Not all of 'em. Some 1048 00:41:01,925 --> 00:41:03,725 of them are supporters and donors and whatever. 1049 00:41:03,725 --> 00:41:06,445 But if we go to these events where we're all together, 1050 00:41:07,305 --> 00:41:09,645 the last one was a disaster for the, uh, 1051 00:41:09,705 --> 00:41:11,045 air Force Navy football game. 1052 00:41:11,045 --> 00:41:14,565 We got together in a, one of our classmates owns a, um, a, 1053 00:41:15,045 --> 00:41:16,525 a bar in, you know, in Tampa. 1054 00:41:16,665 --> 00:41:19,365 We all gathered there. And that turned out to be a disaster. 1055 00:41:19,585 --> 00:41:22,805 And, uh, so, um, I can't even go to the, um, 1056 00:41:23,405 --> 00:41:26,285 reunions anymore without bringing a PHAs of bodyguards. 1057 00:41:26,285 --> 00:41:27,245 It's just too expensive, you 1058 00:41:27,245 --> 00:41:28,245 know, why would I mess with that? 1059 00:41:28,345 --> 00:41:31,805 So, um, on on the bright side, he hasn't been reelected yet. 1060 00:41:31,985 --> 00:41:35,245 Um, we need people, my own son is a member of the House 1061 00:41:35,245 --> 00:41:36,525 of Representatives in Ohio. 1062 00:41:36,635 --> 00:41:38,565 He's a state rep, uh, three term, 1063 00:41:38,745 --> 00:41:40,645 but he's running for the Senate there now. 1064 00:41:40,755 --> 00:41:42,365 Good. And he feels the same way. 1065 00:41:42,365 --> 00:41:44,525 You and I feel about, you know, the country 1066 00:41:44,545 --> 00:41:45,645 and the, and the important things. 1067 00:41:45,745 --> 00:41:47,645 And, um, even the idea of gun control. 1068 00:41:47,725 --> 00:41:49,125 I mean, we have a lot of guns in our house. 1069 00:41:49,585 --> 00:41:52,005 We have to qualify every two years. 1070 00:41:52,185 --> 00:41:54,685 Uh, we go through a very careful background check. 1071 00:41:55,125 --> 00:41:57,405 I mean, there are just some rational 1072 00:41:57,425 --> 00:41:58,965 and reasonable measures we can take. 1073 00:41:59,265 --> 00:42:02,085 Um, you know, most Americans, it seems, um, uh, 1074 00:42:02,335 --> 00:42:05,165 don't have a lot of knowledge about our constitution. 1075 00:42:05,165 --> 00:42:06,325 They don't understand. I mean, 1076 00:42:06,325 --> 00:42:07,845 Israel doesn't even have a constitution. 1077 00:42:07,845 --> 00:42:09,565 At least we have one, like, 1078 00:42:10,245 --> 00:42:12,285 I guess fish in an aquarium, Susan. 1079 00:42:12,315 --> 00:42:14,085 They never see the water, you know? 1080 00:42:14,145 --> 00:42:15,205 So you just live in this country. 1081 00:42:15,225 --> 00:42:16,765 Hey, I, you know, I'm oblivious, 1082 00:42:16,765 --> 00:42:19,125 but I get all these, I have this great life going on here. 1083 00:42:19,225 --> 00:42:21,765 And, uh, and then the idea that we're being flooded 1084 00:42:21,765 --> 00:42:23,005 by an army of immigrants, 1085 00:42:23,275 --> 00:42:24,725 like zombies coming across the border, 1086 00:42:25,005 --> 00:42:26,405 complete utter bullshit as well. 1087 00:42:27,345 --> 00:42:28,365 - It is that are bullshit. 1088 00:42:28,765 --> 00:42:30,405 I mean, I, my friends, I have friends 1089 00:42:30,465 --> 00:42:34,405 who are literally at the border, border patrol people. 1090 00:42:35,465 --> 00:42:37,325 And it's a really interesting, damned if you do, 1091 00:42:37,325 --> 00:42:40,205 damned if you don't, because I see Fox News gets pissed when 1092 00:42:40,205 --> 00:42:42,845 they say A million dollars worth 1093 00:42:42,845 --> 00:42:44,565 of Fentanyl ceased, da da da. 1094 00:42:44,565 --> 00:42:46,645 Look at what's happening. It's like, wait a minute, wait, 1095 00:42:46,705 --> 00:42:48,165 do you want it to be stopped? 1096 00:42:48,165 --> 00:42:49,525 Or do you not want it to be stopped? 1097 00:42:49,545 --> 00:42:52,485 You better make up your mind because Right, right. 1098 00:42:52,535 --> 00:42:56,625 Those, those are two totally different things, . 1099 00:42:56,975 --> 00:42:58,545 - Well, it isn't that we need to fix immigration. 1100 00:42:58,805 --> 00:43:00,065 We have to. We have to. We've had 1101 00:43:00,065 --> 00:43:01,465 to make it better for generations. 1102 00:43:01,465 --> 00:43:03,505 Certainly there is no army of people 1103 00:43:03,505 --> 00:43:05,305 that are coming across the border with, 1104 00:43:05,305 --> 00:43:06,385 uh, teeth in their mouth. 1105 00:43:06,535 --> 00:43:07,745 They're gonna take our jobs 1106 00:43:07,805 --> 00:43:09,945 and stab our, you know, to take over our homes, 1107 00:43:10,295 --> 00:43:12,105 kill our pet, eat our pets, and all the other stuff. 1108 00:43:12,105 --> 00:43:13,265 Yeah. It's been manufactured. 1109 00:43:13,445 --> 00:43:16,305 And the fact that, uh, a monster like Mike Johnson 1110 00:43:16,525 --> 00:43:19,625 as the house speaker is gonna hold up aid to Ukraine, 1111 00:43:20,285 --> 00:43:22,305 you know, um, aid to Israel, Taiwan. 1112 00:43:22,435 --> 00:43:25,465 Right. I've been delighted to be on here. It's an honor. 1113 00:43:25,785 --> 00:43:27,745 I hope you're, uh, what is the name of your short film? 1114 00:43:28,095 --> 00:43:30,385 - It's called The First, - Did you go to film school 1115 00:43:30,385 --> 00:43:31,425 or how did you learn how to do that? 1116 00:43:31,665 --> 00:43:33,945 - I didn't. I was, I'm a professional songwriter 1117 00:43:34,045 --> 00:43:36,225 and every song you write is like a mini movie. 1118 00:43:36,405 --> 00:43:39,265 And I, I've always been into film. 1119 00:43:39,465 --> 00:43:43,265 I love going to the movies. I love reading screenplays, 1120 00:43:43,525 --> 00:43:44,825 and I thought, this is 1121 00:43:44,825 --> 00:43:46,745 what I wanna do next. So I started doing it. 1122 00:43:47,285 --> 00:43:48,545 - Are you, are you totally solo? 1123 00:43:48,565 --> 00:43:50,625 Do you have, are you rep by any of the agencies out there? 1124 00:43:50,765 --> 00:43:51,985 - No, I'm not rep yet. 1125 00:43:52,205 --> 00:43:53,665 - Not yet. Well, I hope that works out. 1126 00:43:54,085 --> 00:43:55,825 Uh, I'd love to see it. Thank, I'd love to see it. 1127 00:43:55,825 --> 00:43:58,225 I'd love to know, uh, is there any sort of a trailer 1128 00:43:58,285 --> 00:43:59,585 for the first yet or anything like that? 1129 00:44:00,615 --> 00:44:02,185 - It's too short to have a trailer. 1130 00:44:02,425 --> 00:44:04,465 I will definitely put it out on the festival circuit, 1131 00:44:04,685 --> 00:44:07,025 but I'll be, I'm happy to send you, uh, 1132 00:44:07,465 --> 00:44:09,105 a copy when it's, when it's ready. 1133 00:44:09,565 --> 00:44:11,025 - Please do So I'd love to see it. 1134 00:44:11,365 --> 00:44:13,745 - And if you come to Los Angeles, please let me know. 1135 00:44:13,805 --> 00:44:15,145 I'd love to buy you a cup of Joe. 1136 00:44:15,905 --> 00:44:17,465 - I will, uh, I will make, make sure of that. 1137 00:44:17,625 --> 00:44:19,145 'cause I mean, that's one place where, you know, 1138 00:44:19,145 --> 00:44:20,745 we have our media and web folks. 1139 00:44:20,845 --> 00:44:22,665 We, we, we are rep in, in Hollywood 1140 00:44:22,725 --> 00:44:24,345 and uh, we have folks there we 1141 00:44:24,345 --> 00:44:25,425 need to go see and stuff like that. 1142 00:44:25,425 --> 00:44:27,145 And a lot, a lot of a big client base. 1143 00:44:27,585 --> 00:44:30,345 - I really appreciate your time. I know how valuable it is. 1144 00:44:30,755 --> 00:44:31,925 Thank you. Uh, 1145 00:44:32,325 --> 00:44:34,685 I think the work you're doing is incredibly important. 1146 00:44:34,685 --> 00:44:36,525 Thanks Susan. Thank you for listening, everyone. 1147 00:44:36,645 --> 00:44:38,565 I appreciate it. Be well. 1148 00:44:39,225 --> 00:44:40,165 - Thanks, Susan. You.