1 00:00:08,265 --> 00:00:08,805 - Hey, humans. 2 00:00:09,055 --> 00:00:11,085 How's it going? Susan Ruth here. 3 00:00:11,145 --> 00:00:13,325 Thanks for listening to another episode 4 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:15,045 of Hey Human Podcast. 5 00:00:16,355 --> 00:00:20,805 This is episode 392, and my guest is Iqbal Kana. 6 00:00:21,575 --> 00:00:23,565 Iqbal was born in Kashmere, India. 7 00:00:24,305 --> 00:00:29,085 He has led an incredible adventurous life 8 00:00:30,235 --> 00:00:33,925 from a childhood hiking with the Tenzing Norge, 9 00:00:34,505 --> 00:00:38,725 to working in Col Keto with Mother Teresa 10 00:00:39,185 --> 00:00:40,885 to running a successful climbing 11 00:00:40,905 --> 00:00:42,485 and hiking company in India, 12 00:00:43,305 --> 00:00:47,285 and then becoming a masterful licensed massage therapist, 13 00:00:47,645 --> 00:00:51,485 studying with the greatest that there are in spiritual 14 00:00:51,505 --> 00:00:52,645 and massage worlds. 15 00:00:53,265 --> 00:00:54,965 And he's a really delightful 16 00:00:55,345 --> 00:00:59,645 and kind man who sees the world as beautiful 17 00:01:00,105 --> 00:01:02,485 and deeply empathic. 18 00:01:02,865 --> 00:01:04,405 And again, 19 00:01:04,595 --> 00:01:07,165 from a really spiritual place he's operating on 20 00:01:07,185 --> 00:01:08,485 all cylinders, for sure. 21 00:01:09,305 --> 00:01:13,205 We had a lovely chat during a break, uh, during his workday. 22 00:01:13,425 --> 00:01:15,565 You'll hear some sounds in the background, 23 00:01:15,565 --> 00:01:16,685 some voices and such. 24 00:01:17,045 --> 00:01:20,645 'cause he's, he's there at his, his place of business at 25 00:01:20,915 --> 00:01:22,045 what a really cool dude. 26 00:01:22,265 --> 00:01:25,765 Um, so happy I got to speak with him. 27 00:01:26,305 --> 00:01:29,405 And he's just happy, happy guy. . 28 00:01:29,565 --> 00:01:33,565 I mean, I can't even imagine three months with Mother Teresa 29 00:01:35,115 --> 00:01:37,005 that would, I feel 30 00:01:38,035 --> 00:01:42,375 change you deeply at the root of who a person is to, to be 31 00:01:42,375 --> 00:01:45,495 around that kind of energy and that kind of person. 32 00:01:45,675 --> 00:01:48,855 And honestly, I feel like Al is that kind of person. 33 00:01:49,155 --> 00:01:52,135 He radiates something 34 00:01:53,075 --> 00:01:55,535 and it's not otherworldly, it's grounded, 35 00:01:55,835 --> 00:01:58,015 but just really beautiful. 36 00:01:58,195 --> 00:01:59,295 Really, really beautiful. 37 00:02:00,485 --> 00:02:03,655 Okay, well check out hey human podcast.com for links 38 00:02:03,655 --> 00:02:04,975 and to learn more about my guests 39 00:02:05,075 --> 00:02:08,895 and the show, check out Susan ruth.com to learn about me 40 00:02:09,035 --> 00:02:11,055 and my other artistic endeavors, 41 00:02:11,215 --> 00:02:13,855 of which there seems to be way too many right now. 42 00:02:14,315 --> 00:02:15,935 Uh, please follow Susan Ruth 43 00:02:16,315 --> 00:02:18,535 and hey, human podcast on social media 44 00:02:18,915 --> 00:02:22,695 and find my music on Spotify, apple music, Amazon music, 45 00:02:23,055 --> 00:02:25,375 wherever you get your music rate. 46 00:02:25,555 --> 00:02:29,175 Review and subscribe to, Hey, human podcast on iTunes 47 00:02:29,195 --> 00:02:31,295 or wherever you get your podcasts. 48 00:02:32,075 --> 00:02:33,175 And thank you for listening 49 00:02:33,475 --> 00:02:35,815 and thank you for sharing, uh, the stories 50 00:02:36,075 --> 00:02:38,095 and for being a part of this show. 51 00:02:38,455 --> 00:02:43,295 I really appreciate it. Be well, be kind, be love. 52 00:02:43,955 --> 00:02:44,955 And here we go, 53 00:02:47,365 --> 00:02:48,365 - Big - Bana. 54 00:02:48,365 --> 00:02:50,025 Welcome to Hey, human. 55 00:02:50,885 --> 00:02:52,985 - Thanks. - It's so nice to see you. 56 00:02:53,735 --> 00:02:55,735 - Same to you dear. - Welcome. 57 00:02:56,065 --> 00:02:57,575 Let's get into it right away. 58 00:02:57,965 --> 00:03:00,725 Tell me where you're from and where you grew up. 59 00:03:01,925 --> 00:03:03,845 - I grew up in Kashmir, north of India, 60 00:03:05,105 --> 00:03:09,245 and I came to us in 1982 61 00:03:11,025 --> 00:03:12,525 and I have a business 62 00:03:12,665 --> 00:03:14,605 before I came to us, I used 63 00:03:14,605 --> 00:03:16,645 to take people hiking up in the Himalayas 64 00:03:16,745 --> 00:03:19,925 and all my trips were anywhere from one week 65 00:03:20,025 --> 00:03:24,085 to three weeks hiking up to 16, 15, 17,000 feet. 66 00:03:25,625 --> 00:03:29,045 And most of the groups were like anywhere from two 67 00:03:29,045 --> 00:03:30,325 people to 15 people. 68 00:03:30,545 --> 00:03:33,325 We bring almost, uh, we have 10 people, 69 00:03:33,465 --> 00:03:35,125 we have 50 horses with us. 70 00:03:36,705 --> 00:03:39,045 And then, uh, all the food, 71 00:03:39,045 --> 00:03:40,565 everything is carried on the horses. 72 00:03:40,785 --> 00:03:42,045 And if we have somebody 73 00:03:42,065 --> 00:03:45,245 who is older, we put them on the horse. 74 00:03:46,665 --> 00:03:48,845 And that, those kind of trips we did. 75 00:03:48,945 --> 00:03:51,925 Uh, then I did also a medical trips from Buffalo 76 00:03:52,405 --> 00:03:53,605 Children's Hospital in New York. 77 00:03:55,065 --> 00:03:57,405 And we did, every year we had a group 78 00:03:57,585 --> 00:03:59,565 of 20 doctors and nurses. 79 00:04:01,225 --> 00:04:04,685 We did a research in Kir and also in Laak. 80 00:04:04,825 --> 00:04:08,045 But we did, we studied with, we go, we go, we, 81 00:04:08,145 --> 00:04:11,525 we land in Laak, which is 11,000 feet, the airport. 82 00:04:12,905 --> 00:04:15,405 And we stayed there until they Alize. 83 00:04:15,985 --> 00:04:19,285 And then next day we start walking up the trails. 84 00:04:20,345 --> 00:04:23,885 And it took us four days to three days to get the villages 85 00:04:23,885 --> 00:04:24,885 where we do the research. 86 00:04:25,345 --> 00:04:27,125 And we, there are mostly people there. 87 00:04:27,125 --> 00:04:29,645 They, they go to the hospital, so knew what takes them two 88 00:04:29,645 --> 00:04:31,765 to three days to walk to get the main road. 89 00:04:31,765 --> 00:04:34,485 There's no road. We found out in, uh, 90 00:04:34,505 --> 00:04:38,165 before there were a lot of kids dying on childbirth. 91 00:04:38,165 --> 00:04:40,365 A friend of mine who was a Dr. Lee who was the head 92 00:04:40,365 --> 00:04:42,285 of the Children's Hospital of Buffalo, New York. 93 00:04:43,025 --> 00:04:45,485 We organized a group of doctors and nurses 94 00:04:46,025 --> 00:04:48,405 and we went there 95 00:04:48,625 --> 00:04:51,245 and we saw it was very easy problem to solve. 96 00:04:51,825 --> 00:04:54,525 One of the villages we saw there was a midwife 97 00:04:55,315 --> 00:04:58,645 when they were giving the birth, the kids were giving birth 98 00:04:59,385 --> 00:05:02,085 and the sheep live under the bottom of the house 99 00:05:02,545 --> 00:05:04,045 and people live up on the house 100 00:05:05,065 --> 00:05:07,885 and the water, they never boiled the water when the kids 101 00:05:07,885 --> 00:05:09,405 were drinking water or anything. 102 00:05:09,545 --> 00:05:10,845 And they were having diarrheas 103 00:05:10,845 --> 00:05:12,405 and they were dying very young age. 104 00:05:13,385 --> 00:05:16,245 And then another problem we found out the midwife was when 105 00:05:16,245 --> 00:05:17,685 she was cutting their cord, 106 00:05:18,465 --> 00:05:20,365 she used same blade for everything. 107 00:05:20,385 --> 00:05:22,445 She washed it, but it was not centralized. 108 00:05:23,385 --> 00:05:25,325 And when we taught them 109 00:05:25,385 --> 00:05:28,045 and everything, then four years later we went back. 110 00:05:28,225 --> 00:05:29,645 The whole village had changed. 111 00:05:29,705 --> 00:05:33,525 The kids had not died that much. And it was really amazing. 112 00:05:33,825 --> 00:05:37,205 And then we did the same thing with the different villages 113 00:05:37,735 --> 00:05:38,925 where amchis, 114 00:05:38,925 --> 00:05:41,925 the medicine men in these mountains make their own 115 00:05:42,015 --> 00:05:43,085 herbs from their ground. 116 00:05:43,085 --> 00:05:46,325 Everywhere they grow, we watch what they were doing. 117 00:05:46,325 --> 00:05:47,725 They were not aids, there was nothing. 118 00:05:47,785 --> 00:05:50,285 We had all the with us. We checked everything. 119 00:05:50,715 --> 00:05:52,645 They were a lot more healthier than we were. 120 00:05:53,625 --> 00:05:58,125 And then we did like 50 people, our medicine, us medicine, 121 00:05:58,305 --> 00:06:00,045 and then their theirs. 122 00:06:00,395 --> 00:06:01,845 Then we went two years back, 123 00:06:02,095 --> 00:06:04,565 their medicine worked much better than our medicine. 124 00:06:04,785 --> 00:06:06,285 And it was really shocking. 125 00:06:06,425 --> 00:06:09,485 But we start doing that almost, we still do it, 126 00:06:09,485 --> 00:06:11,605 but we slowed down because of the Corona. 127 00:06:12,225 --> 00:06:14,685 And every year we went different villages. 128 00:06:15,145 --> 00:06:16,405 And that's what we did. 129 00:06:17,225 --> 00:06:19,925 And uh, even actually it was written even in National 130 00:06:19,925 --> 00:06:22,165 Geographic, what we did. 131 00:06:22,265 --> 00:06:24,205 And then one of the villages we went, 132 00:06:24,825 --> 00:06:26,445 it was a border close to China. 133 00:06:27,305 --> 00:06:29,125 It was only 11 miles from the China. 134 00:06:29,185 --> 00:06:31,085 We had to, we took us hard time 135 00:06:31,085 --> 00:06:33,485 to get a permission from the Indian government 136 00:06:33,485 --> 00:06:35,005 and the Army and all that. 137 00:06:35,065 --> 00:06:37,285 But finally we got, it took a couple of months 138 00:06:38,265 --> 00:06:40,685 and we had heard there were also children dying. 139 00:06:41,445 --> 00:06:44,005 Children dying there. And we figured it out, 140 00:06:44,665 --> 00:06:48,685 why are they dying like 10 years or five years before? 141 00:06:49,095 --> 00:06:51,325 There were no dating going on, no horses, 142 00:06:51,545 --> 00:06:53,405 no animals going on this land. 143 00:06:54,305 --> 00:06:56,045 And they, the garment had 144 00:06:56,575 --> 00:06:58,845 given the done a favor, build a well. 145 00:07:00,145 --> 00:07:01,805 And they were drinking same water. 146 00:07:01,825 --> 00:07:04,725 The well was not that deep. It was only 25 feet. 147 00:07:04,745 --> 00:07:05,925 It has to be 60 feet. 148 00:07:06,905 --> 00:07:08,965 And they were having diarrhea and everything. 149 00:07:08,965 --> 00:07:13,085 They were dying. And then we said, okay, what can we do? 150 00:07:13,585 --> 00:07:15,365 And we had some local doctors with us. 151 00:07:15,365 --> 00:07:18,165 We figured it out, okay, there is a nunnery up in the hill. 152 00:07:18,305 --> 00:07:20,525 We checked it out. They had a well there, they, 153 00:07:20,555 --> 00:07:21,805 they had really a spring. 154 00:07:22,265 --> 00:07:24,845 We said, nobody is sick in the, in the nunnery. 155 00:07:25,545 --> 00:07:27,365 And we said, okay, what are we going to do? 156 00:07:28,105 --> 00:07:28,965 We checked it out, 157 00:07:28,965 --> 00:07:30,445 everything toxic, talks to the government. 158 00:07:30,475 --> 00:07:33,485 Next year we went back to us, we raised some money 159 00:07:34,465 --> 00:07:38,285 and we put up, we put up pipes from the, from the spring 160 00:07:38,705 --> 00:07:40,925 to the village and we gave them the water. 161 00:07:40,975 --> 00:07:43,645 Whole village. Then we went back another two years. 162 00:07:43,645 --> 00:07:44,765 Nobody had died. Clean 163 00:07:44,765 --> 00:07:45,765 - Water is everything. 164 00:07:46,345 --> 00:07:47,605 - That's what we were doing. 165 00:07:48,065 --> 00:07:51,885 And it was really amazing how much people, you know, 166 00:07:51,885 --> 00:07:52,925 how many people we saved. 167 00:07:53,475 --> 00:07:56,005 - Yeah. Tell me a little bit about your childhood 168 00:07:56,005 --> 00:07:57,325 growing up in Kir. 169 00:07:57,355 --> 00:07:58,685 What was that like? When 170 00:07:58,725 --> 00:08:01,845 - I grew up, and it was very hard because we had no tv. 171 00:08:01,945 --> 00:08:04,125 We had no nothing, no phones, nothing. 172 00:08:04,465 --> 00:08:08,445 If somebody had a TV, radio, he was, we were going 173 00:08:08,445 --> 00:08:11,805 to watch something or listen something like a, any, any kind 174 00:08:11,805 --> 00:08:15,005 of a game on the, on these, uh, you know, uh, radios. 175 00:08:15,705 --> 00:08:18,125 And if you were radio, you were, you were well off. 176 00:08:18,385 --> 00:08:21,685 And that time I was probably around, maybe, you know, 177 00:08:21,785 --> 00:08:22,965 12, 18. 178 00:08:24,185 --> 00:08:27,285 And we used to go to school and you had no need. 179 00:08:27,315 --> 00:08:29,645 Like if you had a pair of shots, one pair of shoes, 180 00:08:30,225 --> 00:08:31,325 you are, you are fine. 181 00:08:31,505 --> 00:08:33,885 That's those kind of a life. And I live in the boat. 182 00:08:34,165 --> 00:08:36,365 I was born in a boat, the houseboat, 183 00:08:37,025 --> 00:08:38,965 and my whole family was living in the boat. 184 00:08:38,985 --> 00:08:40,565 And we were my grandparents 185 00:08:40,705 --> 00:08:42,845 and everybody, they were living in the houseboats. 186 00:08:43,455 --> 00:08:46,565 Every winter we, it will freeze. The lake will freeze. 187 00:08:46,595 --> 00:08:50,285 Will, we had to go across the lake to go to the market. 188 00:08:50,505 --> 00:08:52,405 We walk on the ice on the lake. 189 00:08:53,105 --> 00:08:55,925 It was, but it, life was much better than, that's now. 190 00:08:56,235 --> 00:08:58,165 When I worked my first job, I was going 191 00:08:58,165 --> 00:09:01,405 to school in the morning, and then evening I was working in 192 00:09:01,405 --> 00:09:04,125 the hotel for a month. 193 00:09:04,245 --> 00:09:06,245 I was getting $3 paid for a month, 194 00:09:07,415 --> 00:09:09,605 - $3, - $3 a month. 195 00:09:09,605 --> 00:09:11,885 That was a lot. $3 was lot. 196 00:09:12,085 --> 00:09:14,285 I was really always outdoors person. 197 00:09:14,485 --> 00:09:16,605 I always like hiking, walking and everything. 198 00:09:16,605 --> 00:09:18,405 Then I had met one of the American 199 00:09:19,625 --> 00:09:22,045 and he said, Hey, you know, I took him hiking, you know, 200 00:09:22,075 --> 00:09:23,565 like I didn't charge him 201 00:09:23,565 --> 00:09:25,925 or anything, you know, it like, just a friendship. 202 00:09:26,465 --> 00:09:28,445 And he, he, he really liked me. 203 00:09:28,445 --> 00:09:29,725 He said, you know what, what we, 204 00:09:29,745 --> 00:09:30,885 oh, start opening a business. 205 00:09:31,595 --> 00:09:35,525 I'll bring some people from us and I'll pay you this much 206 00:09:35,585 --> 00:09:36,765 and we'll start business. 207 00:09:36,825 --> 00:09:37,845 And that's what we did. 208 00:09:38,785 --> 00:09:41,125 And then, uh, then he actually, 209 00:09:41,455 --> 00:09:43,925 after I started making some money, 210 00:09:44,065 --> 00:09:46,885 and he liked me, I was very honest from day one, I told him, 211 00:09:46,905 --> 00:09:50,565 Hey, and he will send me maybe 15, 20 people, uh, 212 00:09:50,945 --> 00:09:52,205 in, in a year. 213 00:09:52,545 --> 00:09:55,645 But it was now money for me, more than enough money for me 214 00:09:55,645 --> 00:09:58,405 to buy another, you know, house for my family 215 00:09:58,785 --> 00:10:00,925 and you know, give them a better life. 216 00:10:01,905 --> 00:10:03,725 And that's what he did. Because I never drink, 217 00:10:04,415 --> 00:10:05,885 never waste any money. 218 00:10:05,885 --> 00:10:08,405 That's how I was. And things getting better. 219 00:10:08,435 --> 00:10:09,925 Then he said, Hey, why did you come? 220 00:10:10,005 --> 00:10:12,765 I visit to us, I'll give you a ticket. 221 00:10:13,325 --> 00:10:14,645 I said, Hey, no, I don't think my, 222 00:10:14,985 --> 00:10:16,085 I'm the oldest in the family. 223 00:10:16,245 --> 00:10:20,205 I don't think I can come. And then finally he just said, 224 00:10:20,235 --> 00:10:22,285 okay, I'll, I'll, I'll pay for everything. 225 00:10:22,785 --> 00:10:26,765 And he paid. And I got to first I landed in New York 226 00:10:27,945 --> 00:10:31,365 and I was shocked to see how things are expensive, 227 00:10:31,365 --> 00:10:32,525 these tall buildings. 228 00:10:33,425 --> 00:10:36,725 And then he took me out in the restaurant at the evening 229 00:10:37,945 --> 00:10:39,245 and there was a food left. 230 00:10:39,245 --> 00:10:41,965 After we ate dinner, he said them, Hey, doggy bag. 231 00:10:42,005 --> 00:10:43,005 I said, you don't have a dog. 232 00:10:43,265 --> 00:10:45,405 And he says, we don't waste the food here. 233 00:10:46,345 --> 00:10:48,685 And then in the morning I woke up 234 00:10:49,105 --> 00:10:52,045 and I see they gave me the same food in the breakfast. 235 00:10:52,165 --> 00:10:53,365 I said, this is crazy. 236 00:10:54,255 --> 00:10:57,525 India is four, but I live in, I came to America. 237 00:10:57,525 --> 00:10:59,245 They're more, what is this? 238 00:10:59,885 --> 00:11:01,005 I was very confused, 239 00:11:01,265 --> 00:11:04,085 but I was shocked to see the, the buildings 240 00:11:04,385 --> 00:11:06,325 and all, you know, how people live, 241 00:11:06,465 --> 00:11:08,605 how many people are in New York, was shocking. 242 00:11:09,225 --> 00:11:11,325 My family wanted me to come back. I said, I'm coming. 243 00:11:11,465 --> 00:11:14,565 And finally I stayed a while in New York. 244 00:11:14,705 --> 00:11:16,285 And then I went back to India 245 00:11:17,825 --> 00:11:19,845 and it was totally different. 246 00:11:20,065 --> 00:11:23,765 And it, I then I start, you know, business start. 247 00:11:23,925 --> 00:11:25,845 I opened my own own company, 248 00:11:25,905 --> 00:11:27,485 but he was still sending me a people. 249 00:11:28,785 --> 00:11:30,405 - How many siblings did you grow up with? 250 00:11:31,225 --> 00:11:33,765 - We were five, three, uh, two si, three, 251 00:11:33,765 --> 00:11:34,965 two sisters, three brothers. 252 00:11:35,145 --> 00:11:36,765 And then when I had got made some money, 253 00:11:36,845 --> 00:11:39,325 I bought a land about seven miles from the home. 254 00:11:40,385 --> 00:11:43,405 And then I built a house and move everybody in the house. 255 00:11:44,625 --> 00:11:47,125 Now we still have the houseboats and have the house. 256 00:11:47,505 --> 00:11:49,525 And everybody is living in the same house. 257 00:11:50,185 --> 00:11:52,605 My mother, my brothers, their wives, their kids, 258 00:11:53,105 --> 00:11:54,365 we all live in the same house. 259 00:11:54,925 --> 00:11:57,405 I, my goal was to keep all the family together. 260 00:11:58,865 --> 00:12:02,685 And that was one, one of my, you know, journey. What I did. 261 00:12:03,035 --> 00:12:04,685 Then I met with Tanzi Norge 262 00:12:05,425 --> 00:12:08,365 and my friend, uh, actually he was a relay to, 263 00:12:08,365 --> 00:12:10,485 he was also very, very big hiker. 264 00:12:10,555 --> 00:12:13,245 Then there was another guy whose name was Bob ings. 265 00:12:13,435 --> 00:12:15,125 He's from Potent, actually believe. 266 00:12:15,225 --> 00:12:19,845 He has written a birds book of birds of Nepal and ing. 267 00:12:19,845 --> 00:12:24,525 And he came to Kashmir to do the hiking in Nan Kon, the, 268 00:12:24,905 --> 00:12:26,485 the Mountain, which is 23,000. 269 00:12:26,945 --> 00:12:28,165 And I was there too. 270 00:12:28,325 --> 00:12:30,485 I went with them and my boss was with me. 271 00:12:30,625 --> 00:12:32,765 We did a climb down and , 272 00:12:33,145 --> 00:12:37,285 he was really very quiet and very, very humble person. 273 00:12:37,425 --> 00:12:40,205 You know, he was really more like a, you know, 274 00:12:40,585 --> 00:12:41,765 he was not like proud 275 00:12:41,825 --> 00:12:45,125 or anything, you know, he was more, you know, 276 00:12:45,265 --> 00:12:46,685 his manners were really great. 277 00:12:46,825 --> 00:12:49,045 And he was great to talk to him 278 00:12:49,045 --> 00:12:50,965 and watch him what, how he did it 279 00:12:50,985 --> 00:12:54,165 and listen to him, how he did it and what happened. 280 00:12:54,185 --> 00:12:57,085 And 'cause everybody said it was Edmund Hillary. 281 00:12:57,225 --> 00:13:01,285 He went first, but what he did, it was him 282 00:13:01,285 --> 00:13:02,605 because he was the sheriff 283 00:13:02,665 --> 00:13:05,245 and they thought if he die first, that's okay. 284 00:13:05,245 --> 00:13:07,565 He was the one who was putting the ropes and everything. 285 00:13:08,185 --> 00:13:11,045 But in the books, if you see they say it was Edmund Hillary. 286 00:13:11,385 --> 00:13:14,645 And I met also Edmund Hillary too. He came to Kir. 287 00:13:15,445 --> 00:13:18,605 I met him too. He was, he was very, you know, more like a, 288 00:13:18,605 --> 00:13:22,165 you know, British, British type, you know, very tall 289 00:13:22,265 --> 00:13:25,085 and very, you know, because Kir was known mostly. 290 00:13:25,305 --> 00:13:28,565 We used to have a lot of British tourists, English, 291 00:13:29,305 --> 00:13:31,045 but now, you know, people are coming 292 00:13:31,045 --> 00:13:32,205 from all over the world. 293 00:13:32,265 --> 00:13:34,045 But things have changed now a lot 294 00:13:34,045 --> 00:13:37,205 because things have gotten expensive, more modern. 295 00:13:37,315 --> 00:13:40,365 Everybody has TVs, everybody has cars. 296 00:13:40,955 --> 00:13:42,525 When I grow up, if you had a bike, 297 00:13:43,025 --> 00:13:44,445 oh God, you are a rich person. 298 00:13:45,345 --> 00:13:47,605 But now those days were really nice, 299 00:13:48,465 --> 00:13:50,165 but things have changed a lot now, 300 00:13:51,105 --> 00:13:52,105 - Did in later years. 301 00:13:52,265 --> 00:13:54,605 Did he acknowledge that 10 Zg was first? 302 00:13:55,385 --> 00:13:58,165 - Nobody. No. He never did it. No. 303 00:13:58,225 --> 00:13:59,485 But we know who did it 304 00:13:59,485 --> 00:14:02,845 because you had to put the ropes up, you know, who did it. 305 00:14:03,505 --> 00:14:05,885 And that's, that's how it is always. 306 00:14:06,635 --> 00:14:09,325 - Yeah. And that's, - That's how we, we know that. 307 00:14:09,825 --> 00:14:11,925 - Can you tell a story from hiking 308 00:14:12,495 --> 00:14:14,245 where you were worried for your safety? 309 00:14:14,785 --> 00:14:16,285 - My priority was always safety. 310 00:14:17,685 --> 00:14:20,605 I always had a group of four to five people who I trusted. 311 00:14:20,985 --> 00:14:24,765 And when we hike, we hike. Like we had a 15 day hike. 312 00:14:25,245 --> 00:14:29,165 I always had horses with us in case somebody broke a leg 313 00:14:29,265 --> 00:14:32,445 or somebody, it happened once we had, 314 00:14:32,505 --> 00:14:33,565 it was a medical group. 315 00:14:34,145 --> 00:14:36,725 One of the doctors, he was from actually Scotland, 316 00:14:37,585 --> 00:14:38,605 he came in the group. 317 00:14:38,665 --> 00:14:40,805 He had come twice in the same group. 318 00:14:40,915 --> 00:14:42,805 Same group, but different hike. 319 00:14:42,985 --> 00:14:45,805 And this time he came, we got a problem with altitude 320 00:14:46,945 --> 00:14:50,165 and we had to, we said it take us three days 321 00:14:50,265 --> 00:14:51,540 how we can carry him back. 322 00:14:51,825 --> 00:14:53,085 We tied him in the horses 323 00:14:54,065 --> 00:14:57,085 and brought him back to 11,000 feet 324 00:14:57,085 --> 00:15:00,965 because this time we were on 14 and we brought him to 11 325 00:15:01,185 --> 00:15:02,365 and took him to hospital. 326 00:15:03,105 --> 00:15:04,605 And he was there three, four days. 327 00:15:04,745 --> 00:15:08,085 And then finally, uh, they said he cannot fly until his 328 00:15:09,065 --> 00:15:10,805 oxygen level goes better. 329 00:15:11,025 --> 00:15:13,205 And then once his oxygen level went better 330 00:15:13,425 --> 00:15:16,965 and we could not make him fly, and we drove him back to eg. 331 00:15:17,025 --> 00:15:18,325 We took two days by car 332 00:15:18,465 --> 00:15:20,205 and then we sent him back to Scotland. 333 00:15:20,785 --> 00:15:22,645 And he's, he, he still is sick. 334 00:15:22,645 --> 00:15:24,365 He cannot go after the mountains, 335 00:15:24,365 --> 00:15:26,565 but he's still, he's okay. What's 336 00:15:26,565 --> 00:15:27,565 - The highest you've ever been? 337 00:15:28,395 --> 00:15:32,325 - I've been to 23,000. - What's it like to be that high up 338 00:15:33,055 --> 00:15:35,245 - Being a god ? 339 00:15:36,065 --> 00:15:39,845 It was amazing. There's not a anything there, you know, 340 00:15:40,105 --> 00:15:42,645 it was just glacier and the peaks. 341 00:15:43,745 --> 00:15:46,085 Wow. That's what it was. It was amazing. 342 00:15:46,535 --> 00:15:48,565 - Would you, were you considered a Sherpa 343 00:15:48,565 --> 00:15:51,125 or were you considered a trail guide? What was your title? 344 00:15:52,105 --> 00:15:56,245 - Uh, operator on, operator on his, on, on this side 345 00:15:56,265 --> 00:15:57,485 who was handling everything. 346 00:15:57,625 --> 00:15:59,125 But in Nepal there are Sherpa, 347 00:15:59,145 --> 00:16:01,325 but in Kashmir they call the, the leader. 348 00:16:02,865 --> 00:16:05,605 And that's whose responsibility is for the giving. 349 00:16:05,665 --> 00:16:08,285 The, the tens, the food, the, you know, 350 00:16:08,345 --> 00:16:10,125 all the arrangements of the people. 351 00:16:10,345 --> 00:16:12,605 And that's, that's what they call them there. 352 00:16:13,185 --> 00:16:14,645 - That's a lot of responsibility. 353 00:16:14,955 --> 00:16:16,125 - It's a challenge too. 354 00:16:16,705 --> 00:16:19,325 And I love the mountains and I love the love the nature. 355 00:16:20,105 --> 00:16:23,005 And these, uh, these hikes, we go for eight, 356 00:16:23,135 --> 00:16:24,485 seven days, 10 days. 357 00:16:24,795 --> 00:16:26,445 They have high altitude lakes. 358 00:16:27,265 --> 00:16:31,925 And when the, the British old days, they, they stock them 359 00:16:31,925 --> 00:16:34,085 with a fish, the trout. 360 00:16:34,945 --> 00:16:37,765 And it was, it was also one, one thing for, 361 00:16:37,805 --> 00:16:39,685 I was looking forward to go fishing there too, 362 00:16:40,295 --> 00:16:42,525 while I was working with the tourists. 363 00:16:43,745 --> 00:16:46,845 And that's, that was a, those were the things we did. 364 00:16:47,945 --> 00:16:50,685 - And nobody ever passed away on the hikes. 365 00:16:51,605 --> 00:16:55,405 - I have not had anybody passed away and never, 366 00:16:55,625 --> 00:16:59,965 but people did, you know, twist the ankle or those things, 367 00:17:00,745 --> 00:17:04,005 or broke the arm, fell down, you know, something. 368 00:17:04,385 --> 00:17:06,005 But nobody, nobody died, 369 00:17:06,725 --> 00:17:07,725 - I would imagine. 370 00:17:08,235 --> 00:17:10,605 More than anything, it's the altitude that gets people 371 00:17:11,475 --> 00:17:15,045 - Usually, uh, what I do with Kashmir is about, uh, 372 00:17:15,045 --> 00:17:16,325 you know, 6,000 feet. 373 00:17:16,545 --> 00:17:21,245 We, first nights we stay about 7,000, then we go 8,000. 374 00:17:21,385 --> 00:17:23,085 We don't want to take them at a time so 375 00:17:23,085 --> 00:17:24,245 that they don't get the headaches. 376 00:17:24,875 --> 00:17:26,485 - Have you ever been to Everest? 377 00:17:27,885 --> 00:17:30,645 - I have. I have no need to go to Everest, you know, 378 00:17:31,445 --> 00:17:34,645 'cause it's becoming now like a, like a downtown Portland, 379 00:17:34,645 --> 00:17:36,245 because everybody wants to go. 380 00:17:36,305 --> 00:17:40,605 And I was watching the documentary, every time they go 381 00:17:40,635 --> 00:17:42,765 with the oxygen, everything, they never bring it back. 382 00:17:42,915 --> 00:17:46,245 It's, uh, like couple of years ago, there was a world, 383 00:17:46,745 --> 00:17:48,205 uh, organation. 384 00:17:48,315 --> 00:17:51,725 They took maybe a couple of hundred Sherpa to bring the, 385 00:17:51,725 --> 00:17:52,765 all the garbage back. 386 00:17:53,505 --> 00:17:55,365 And it was amazing to see how many tons 387 00:17:55,365 --> 00:17:56,685 of garbage they brought back. 388 00:17:57,905 --> 00:17:59,805 And that was a sad thing to, 389 00:18:00,065 --> 00:18:01,065 - That's very sad. 390 00:18:01,345 --> 00:18:03,245 - It was very sad, you know, not to protect. 391 00:18:03,245 --> 00:18:07,485 That's one of the things, I think all the, you know, 392 00:18:07,625 --> 00:18:10,165 the climate and everything, that's because we're abusing it. 393 00:18:10,545 --> 00:18:11,645 That's, that's the problem. 394 00:18:13,085 --> 00:18:16,525 I go in Portland, I go out, even if I have to go, 395 00:18:16,785 --> 00:18:19,525 go a good hike, I just leave at two o'clock in the morning 396 00:18:20,385 --> 00:18:21,965 and I go to Mount Hood 397 00:18:22,145 --> 00:18:26,085 and I'm back at seven o'clock down to the 398 00:18:26,955 --> 00:18:30,205 down, you know, down it's, uh, 12,000 feet. 399 00:18:31,665 --> 00:18:34,205 And a lot of people die in Montour 400 00:18:34,205 --> 00:18:36,165 because they don't respect the mountain 401 00:18:36,905 --> 00:18:39,405 and they have lost the, you know, the fog or something. 402 00:18:39,545 --> 00:18:42,005 Or they start late, the snow melts 403 00:18:42,005 --> 00:18:43,205 and they get tired and all that. 404 00:18:43,205 --> 00:18:45,565 They lose their, you know, they're way back. 405 00:18:46,035 --> 00:18:47,165 That has happened a lot. 406 00:18:48,535 --> 00:18:52,275 - You make a good point about respecting mother nature 407 00:18:52,415 --> 00:18:54,195 and what she is capable of. 408 00:18:54,385 --> 00:18:56,435 - Yeah, if you keep it clean, you know, you have to, 409 00:18:56,615 --> 00:18:58,595 the environment is everything is, you know, 410 00:18:58,715 --> 00:19:00,995 I remember soon the plastic is come more, you know, 411 00:19:01,025 --> 00:19:02,075 everybody is plastic 412 00:19:02,975 --> 00:19:05,995 and if it is a paper, it, you know, it can, you know, 413 00:19:05,995 --> 00:19:07,875 it can just go, you know, waste or something. 414 00:19:07,895 --> 00:19:09,035 But the plastic, 415 00:19:09,055 --> 00:19:11,355 it takes you a hundred years to go, you know? 416 00:19:11,495 --> 00:19:14,315 It cannot, it doesn't, you know, go anywhere. 417 00:19:14,615 --> 00:19:16,035 That's the big problem, you know, 418 00:19:16,155 --> 00:19:19,235 I think in everywhere those, but I, all my stuff I train. 419 00:19:19,635 --> 00:19:21,715 I said, you know, I'll pay you more. 420 00:19:21,895 --> 00:19:25,115 But as long there is no, I, I checked 421 00:19:25,135 --> 00:19:27,635 before my camp left, closed, left, 422 00:19:27,925 --> 00:19:28,995 there should not be a garbage. 423 00:19:29,245 --> 00:19:30,595 There should be a anything. 424 00:19:31,305 --> 00:19:34,235 That was one of my, my goals whenever I went hiking. 425 00:19:35,235 --> 00:19:38,775 - And how old are you - Right now? Right now I'm 71. 426 00:19:39,835 --> 00:19:42,215 - And you still do these hikes? 427 00:19:42,775 --> 00:19:45,215 - I still do it. I still do it. . I love it. 428 00:19:45,215 --> 00:19:48,335 I can still, I can still go, you know, running and anything. 429 00:19:48,335 --> 00:19:51,695 It doesn't bother me. But my hobby is 430 00:19:51,695 --> 00:19:52,895 mostly fishing and hiking. 431 00:19:53,175 --> 00:19:54,375 I do a lot of fly fishing. 432 00:19:55,075 --> 00:19:56,895 - Oh, oh, nice. I used to do that 433 00:19:56,895 --> 00:19:58,015 with my dad when I was little. 434 00:19:59,045 --> 00:20:01,295 - Well, you gotta come to Portland in May, 435 00:20:01,445 --> 00:20:02,975 June is a good time to come. 436 00:20:03,695 --> 00:20:06,055 - I love that. Tell me the story of Mother Teresa. 437 00:20:06,995 --> 00:20:10,895 - Mother Teresa was, was a very lucky moment for me. 438 00:20:11,215 --> 00:20:13,575 I was, I always wanted to meet her. 439 00:20:13,575 --> 00:20:16,615 I had read about her and heard the stories, 440 00:20:16,755 --> 00:20:20,735 and I had a group of women, uh, from the State department, 441 00:20:20,825 --> 00:20:21,895 women high Power. 442 00:20:22,105 --> 00:20:24,855 There was a Donna Lela who was, who was the head 443 00:20:24,855 --> 00:20:26,495 of the Health and Human Service. 444 00:20:28,115 --> 00:20:32,855 And there was, uh, she was also a congresswoman for Miami. 445 00:20:34,275 --> 00:20:38,055 And she was first a, uh, hunter resident of Hunter College 446 00:20:38,195 --> 00:20:39,415 and University of Wisconsin. 447 00:20:40,915 --> 00:20:42,295 And then there was LS 448 00:20:42,495 --> 00:20:43,615 who was the head of the budget. 449 00:20:45,795 --> 00:20:48,285 And then there was, uh, Betsy Livings, 450 00:20:48,345 --> 00:20:50,445 who was the first woman dean 451 00:20:50,465 --> 00:20:52,205 of law school in Boulder, Colorado. 452 00:20:52,535 --> 00:20:54,125 These were the 10, 12 women. 453 00:20:54,125 --> 00:20:56,645 They came every year to hike with me up in the Himalayas. 454 00:20:56,915 --> 00:20:58,925 They came every year, did the different trips, 455 00:21:00,065 --> 00:21:02,125 and we were doing hiking in Kashmir. 456 00:21:02,185 --> 00:21:04,805 And then after our trip, we went to tour 457 00:21:05,105 --> 00:21:06,645 to India, not India. 458 00:21:07,785 --> 00:21:10,405 And, uh, we stayed in the hotel after our tour. 459 00:21:10,435 --> 00:21:12,205 They saw the Taj Mall and all that. 460 00:21:12,205 --> 00:21:13,965 Then we stayed in the hotel. 461 00:21:14,705 --> 00:21:18,365 It was the last day we had a flight to go that evening 462 00:21:18,505 --> 00:21:22,445 and morning I was at lunchtime, I got out and, 463 00:21:22,445 --> 00:21:23,845 but I had read about Mother Teresa 464 00:21:23,945 --> 00:21:25,645 and I said, I know she's in this town, 465 00:21:25,665 --> 00:21:27,365 but I don't know how far TTA is. 466 00:21:27,365 --> 00:21:31,045 Very big city. And I asked the bellboy at the hotel, 467 00:21:31,045 --> 00:21:33,245 he says, you see a white building, that's who she, 468 00:21:33,245 --> 00:21:34,845 that's the house she's living in. 469 00:21:35,505 --> 00:21:39,525 And then I walk, I had shorts on and a t-shirt, you know, 470 00:21:40,345 --> 00:21:43,645 and I walk, it took me maybe five minutes, six minutes. 471 00:21:43,745 --> 00:21:46,125 And then when I got there, I saw this woman there 472 00:21:46,635 --> 00:21:49,245 sitting down changing her diaper of the kid. 473 00:21:50,305 --> 00:21:52,165 And I said, I don't think she is the one, 474 00:21:52,185 --> 00:21:53,405 she will not change the diaper. 475 00:21:54,265 --> 00:21:56,285 But then I had seen the picture and everything. 476 00:21:56,285 --> 00:21:58,405 It was a white, sorry, it had a food everywhere. 477 00:21:58,405 --> 00:22:02,685 She didn't care. The gray hair everywhere, plastic shoes, 478 00:22:03,315 --> 00:22:06,045 arthritis in the hands, sun nuns came. 479 00:22:06,045 --> 00:22:08,205 They said, mother, we'll do it. She said, no, I'm okay. 480 00:22:08,265 --> 00:22:10,925 Let me do it. And she, after that, 481 00:22:11,185 --> 00:22:13,245 and I, I just said, I said, I, 482 00:22:13,805 --> 00:22:16,045 I wanna donate some, you know, something. 483 00:22:16,265 --> 00:22:17,405 She was telling to it 484 00:22:18,175 --> 00:22:20,445 after she changed her diaper and everything. 485 00:22:21,345 --> 00:22:23,725 And I just came 486 00:22:23,825 --> 00:22:27,045 and then she asked me, where do I live and all that. 487 00:22:27,045 --> 00:22:28,445 And I said, I live in Miami and all that. 488 00:22:28,465 --> 00:22:30,805 She says, after that, she says, you're not going anywhere. 489 00:22:31,265 --> 00:22:33,805 And I said, what is this movie to stay? I have to go home. 490 00:22:34,045 --> 00:22:38,485 I have my family and all that. And then, okay, I stay. 491 00:22:38,825 --> 00:22:39,885 And I didn't know what to do. 492 00:22:40,425 --> 00:22:44,165 And, but I was always interested learning stuff, you know, 493 00:22:44,185 --> 00:22:46,925 it was amazing to see what, you know, I had heard about her. 494 00:22:46,965 --> 00:22:49,605 I read about her and then it was amazing 495 00:22:49,665 --> 00:22:50,885 to see what she was doing. 496 00:22:51,005 --> 00:22:52,325 I said, God, this is a great place. 497 00:22:52,705 --> 00:22:55,445 You know, because my grandmother, it remind me 498 00:22:56,065 --> 00:22:57,765 my grandmother worked, you know, 499 00:22:58,275 --> 00:22:59,605 like her and my grandmother. 500 00:22:59,765 --> 00:23:01,165 I over, you know, close to a hundred. 501 00:23:01,545 --> 00:23:04,885 And then I stayed and I worked there. 502 00:23:05,105 --> 00:23:06,205 My, I said, what's my job? 503 00:23:06,325 --> 00:23:07,685 I thought, okay, I'll work in the kitchen. 504 00:23:07,925 --> 00:23:10,805 I do all whatever it is. And I was doing everything there. 505 00:23:10,805 --> 00:23:12,645 And then I saw her, these kids crying 506 00:23:12,745 --> 00:23:17,285 and she rubs their backs and does all that. 507 00:23:17,345 --> 00:23:20,205 And what it, how, how it calms these kids down. 508 00:23:21,465 --> 00:23:24,605 And it was really amazing to see what she could do. 509 00:23:25,105 --> 00:23:28,925 And, uh, then always she even, she could have done, 510 00:23:28,925 --> 00:23:30,685 she could have watched it and let the nuns do it. 511 00:23:30,685 --> 00:23:32,205 No, she wanted to do it herself. 512 00:23:33,825 --> 00:23:36,485 And it was really amazing to see, you know, 513 00:23:36,625 --> 00:23:37,885 it changed all my life 514 00:23:37,885 --> 00:23:40,845 because in Miami, I wanted to be a paramedic. 515 00:23:41,325 --> 00:23:43,245 I work only six months in India, 516 00:23:43,305 --> 00:23:44,845 but Miami, I was doing a lot of work. 517 00:23:45,865 --> 00:23:47,605 And then I said this, this will help me. 518 00:23:47,665 --> 00:23:49,765 And then when I got, when I left, 519 00:23:49,765 --> 00:23:51,805 after 300 months, I told her, she says, 520 00:23:52,345 --> 00:23:53,525 you gotta work in Miami. 521 00:23:54,525 --> 00:23:56,365 I have something to you. You're gonna help them. 522 00:23:57,265 --> 00:24:00,725 She said, I don't need your money and I have money. 523 00:24:00,915 --> 00:24:03,485 They need your help. That's how word she said it. 524 00:24:04,105 --> 00:24:05,325 And I went to Homestead. 525 00:24:05,575 --> 00:24:08,605 There were almost 10 nuns who were working with migrants, 526 00:24:08,795 --> 00:24:10,005 helping them out. 527 00:24:10,925 --> 00:24:12,365 I did, I worked with them and, 528 00:24:12,865 --> 00:24:15,685 and I was driving like maybe 10 miles a 529 00:24:15,685 --> 00:24:16,765 day and then work with them. 530 00:24:17,905 --> 00:24:20,525 And then I was very interested is helping people 531 00:24:20,955 --> 00:24:24,925 because the way God helped me, I wanted to help people. 532 00:24:25,515 --> 00:24:27,165 Then there was study done in University 533 00:24:27,165 --> 00:24:28,645 of Miami touched for research. 534 00:24:29,985 --> 00:24:31,445 And I said, God, this is good. 535 00:24:31,525 --> 00:24:33,885 I got, I got a couple of months, let me do it. 536 00:24:34,665 --> 00:24:35,685 And I studied that. 537 00:24:35,685 --> 00:24:39,325 Then I start, I worked in Miami with abuse 538 00:24:39,345 --> 00:24:40,445 and depressed mothers. 539 00:24:41,955 --> 00:24:46,205 Most of the mothers were under, under 18 with the babies. 540 00:24:47,545 --> 00:24:49,725 - So this was doing energy work and massage. 541 00:24:49,905 --> 00:24:52,365 - Oh yeah. Energy work with these women to make them, 542 00:24:52,545 --> 00:24:54,285 you know, change that because they were all abused 543 00:24:54,305 --> 00:24:55,845 and de depressed and all that. 544 00:24:56,905 --> 00:24:59,125 And work with them almost six months. 545 00:25:00,145 --> 00:25:01,645 And then I did another study. 546 00:25:01,905 --> 00:25:05,645 It was same done in, uh, the hospital in Miami, in Jackson. 547 00:25:06,885 --> 00:25:11,125 I did that. And it, it was really, I even got, 548 00:25:11,775 --> 00:25:15,445 there was one sec, one mother, she was 17, had three kids. 549 00:25:15,765 --> 00:25:18,445 I almost end up adopting the one kid. 550 00:25:19,665 --> 00:25:22,405 And I said, oh my god, can I do this? 551 00:25:23,825 --> 00:25:25,685 And I could not do it. 552 00:25:26,265 --> 00:25:31,045 The kid was got too attached to me and it was hard to let go 553 00:25:31,745 --> 00:25:34,805 - In massage therapy, there's a lot of energy that's going 554 00:25:34,805 --> 00:25:36,205 around during that. 555 00:25:37,915 --> 00:25:41,165 What is your experience when you go in with a client? 556 00:25:41,545 --> 00:25:45,805 How do you, how do you take on that energy 557 00:25:45,905 --> 00:25:47,805 and not take it on all at the same time? 558 00:25:48,795 --> 00:25:52,885 - What it is? One thing I learned my 38 years, uh, 559 00:25:53,075 --> 00:25:57,645 working in this, it's not the massage, it's the energy. 560 00:25:57,825 --> 00:25:59,565 And also if you have a problem in home, 561 00:25:59,565 --> 00:26:03,125 never bring in, uh, in that room. Leave it outside 562 00:26:03,625 --> 00:26:04,805 - As a therapist. You mean 563 00:26:05,105 --> 00:26:06,105 - As a therapist. 564 00:26:06,105 --> 00:26:07,725 Leave it outside. Doesn't matter what kind 565 00:26:07,725 --> 00:26:09,685 of therapist you are, leave all your problems out 566 00:26:10,155 --> 00:26:12,365 because people can feel the energy 567 00:26:14,285 --> 00:26:17,565 elicited the body and the touch, 568 00:26:18,065 --> 00:26:20,285 the touch is more than a touch. 569 00:26:20,635 --> 00:26:22,805 What touch can do is the medicine cannot do that. 570 00:26:24,465 --> 00:26:25,725 The touch has that much power. 571 00:26:28,385 --> 00:26:29,725 And God has given me a gift. 572 00:26:29,865 --> 00:26:32,325 So far I've seen over 13,000 people. 573 00:26:33,665 --> 00:26:37,045 - Wow. - I have never had any problems. 574 00:26:37,185 --> 00:26:41,685 And now it's becoming a more, not my big priority, the money 575 00:26:41,825 --> 00:26:42,845 to helping the people. 576 00:26:44,275 --> 00:26:46,205 Even, even a lot of my people, I said, 577 00:26:46,205 --> 00:26:49,045 if you don't have money, you don't need to pay me. 578 00:26:50,265 --> 00:26:51,265 You can come. 579 00:26:51,945 --> 00:26:54,805 - Do you think that humans are starved for human touch? 580 00:26:55,835 --> 00:26:57,045 - They are. Very much so. 581 00:26:57,045 --> 00:26:59,965 Because, because the culture we live here, 582 00:27:00,155 --> 00:27:01,165 it's very different. 583 00:27:02,595 --> 00:27:05,125 It's a very different culture than like we have, 584 00:27:05,125 --> 00:27:09,085 like if I go home, my mother, you know, I'll sleep 585 00:27:09,085 --> 00:27:10,365 with my mother here. 586 00:27:10,395 --> 00:27:13,245 They cannot do that. My mother was not feeling well. 587 00:27:13,525 --> 00:27:16,285 I slept with her all three weeks when I was in 588 00:27:16,285 --> 00:27:17,485 India before I came. 589 00:27:19,545 --> 00:27:23,845 And those kind of a things, you know, are very, it was it 590 00:27:23,875 --> 00:27:26,085 what it gave me, you know, it gave me a peace. 591 00:27:27,765 --> 00:27:29,925 I wanted to pay her back some somehow. 592 00:27:30,825 --> 00:27:33,165 But, you know, that's, those kind 593 00:27:33,165 --> 00:27:34,885 of a things are really, really powerful. 594 00:27:35,585 --> 00:27:38,245 That's what I learned on my, on my work. 595 00:27:39,075 --> 00:27:40,445 - Work and Mother Teresa's. 596 00:27:40,705 --> 00:27:45,365 Uh, the fact that she, her belief system was 597 00:27:45,365 --> 00:27:47,165 that touch really helped these children. 598 00:27:47,625 --> 00:27:49,765 Is that where that planted the seed for you? 599 00:27:50,795 --> 00:27:53,525 - That was amazing what she could do when I, she said, 600 00:27:53,525 --> 00:27:55,645 don't, don't see what people give you. 601 00:27:57,025 --> 00:27:58,365 See what you can give them. 602 00:27:59,675 --> 00:28:01,805 That was the amazing thing, what I learned. 603 00:28:02,585 --> 00:28:06,005 But yeah, I learned a lot from her and I thank her for that. 604 00:28:07,025 --> 00:28:10,245 And I'm in a really, a great place where I learned from her. 605 00:28:10,965 --> 00:28:13,445 I don't know, I could have, you know, I could have been 606 00:28:13,445 --> 00:28:14,645 that, you know anybody, 607 00:28:14,785 --> 00:28:18,245 but I, I got a chance, you know, it was meant 608 00:28:18,245 --> 00:28:19,965 to be. It was the right time. 609 00:28:20,785 --> 00:28:22,685 - I'm sure she saw something in you. 610 00:28:25,545 --> 00:28:26,925 - She did thought something 611 00:28:26,925 --> 00:28:30,005 because usually people came with truckloads 612 00:28:30,005 --> 00:28:31,405 of rice, truckloads of sugar. 613 00:28:31,465 --> 00:28:32,685 She never even talked to them. 614 00:28:32,825 --> 00:28:34,045 She said, just leave it there. 615 00:28:34,705 --> 00:28:39,485 She saw something, you know, what made her, no, 616 00:28:39,485 --> 00:28:40,645 this guy is real. 617 00:28:40,835 --> 00:28:45,005 He's not, you know. Then we did talk about my grandmother, 618 00:28:45,185 --> 00:28:46,925 you know, how I raised and all that. 619 00:28:47,335 --> 00:28:50,325 Where I am, where I was, you know, I remember always, 620 00:28:50,345 --> 00:28:52,165 you know how people, no matter what, 621 00:28:52,165 --> 00:28:53,885 what it is, it's not the money. 622 00:28:53,945 --> 00:28:56,245 If you can, somebody falls, pick them up. 623 00:28:56,275 --> 00:28:58,805 It's not, you know, you're not give, you just help them up. 624 00:28:59,185 --> 00:29:00,885 That's mm-hmm, , you know, I them a water. 625 00:29:00,975 --> 00:29:02,725 Don't, and don't ask the questions. 626 00:29:04,745 --> 00:29:06,445 If you can give, don't ask the questions. 627 00:29:06,885 --> 00:29:10,605 I learn a lot from her. And that's what is, that's what I, 628 00:29:10,745 --> 00:29:12,725 that's what keeps me going. 629 00:29:12,785 --> 00:29:13,925 And that's what, that's 630 00:29:13,925 --> 00:29:15,925 where I am right now doing on my work. 631 00:29:16,875 --> 00:29:18,885 - What do you think about God? 632 00:29:19,035 --> 00:29:21,965 What are your thoughts on faith and God and spirituality? 633 00:29:22,675 --> 00:29:24,725 - There's only one God. He's everywhere. 634 00:29:26,065 --> 00:29:28,685 You know, we all, we all, 635 00:29:29,515 --> 00:29:31,325 when we came, we came from nothing. 636 00:29:31,785 --> 00:29:34,325 And we, when we go, we go back for nothing. 637 00:29:35,635 --> 00:29:36,885 There's nothing we take back. 638 00:29:36,885 --> 00:29:40,365 We don't take back cars, houses, nothing. Now. 639 00:29:40,365 --> 00:29:41,565 If we remember, remember every day, 640 00:29:41,565 --> 00:29:43,845 that would be a really a great people. 641 00:29:44,425 --> 00:29:47,125 But we don't remember that. We think, oh, I have a red car. 642 00:29:48,485 --> 00:29:49,845 I drive fast. I do speed. 643 00:29:49,985 --> 00:29:53,045 No, remember, we all have to go in the same place. 644 00:29:53,045 --> 00:29:54,365 Whether you are rich, poor, 645 00:29:55,185 --> 00:29:57,325 you are in the same place no matter what you are. 646 00:29:58,035 --> 00:30:01,485 This place is just, you know, just a dream. 647 00:30:01,595 --> 00:30:04,445 It's not the real, you know, real is 648 00:30:04,445 --> 00:30:07,285 what you have when you die. 649 00:30:08,305 --> 00:30:10,125 That's, that's what I, you know, always 650 00:30:11,695 --> 00:30:12,845 think about it myself. 651 00:30:13,965 --> 00:30:16,925 Whatever you give, you get, you know, back 652 00:30:17,025 --> 00:30:19,525 and all those things I do believe in. 653 00:30:20,785 --> 00:30:24,445 That's what has also, you know, kept me, you know, 654 00:30:25,525 --> 00:30:29,005 whatever I am now, today, my plans are 655 00:30:29,725 --> 00:30:32,005 probably helping people as much I can 656 00:30:33,385 --> 00:30:36,525 and give, teach some people what I have 657 00:30:36,785 --> 00:30:38,885 and give them what I have. 658 00:30:39,745 --> 00:30:41,365 You know, even whether they're my clients 659 00:30:41,465 --> 00:30:45,925 or they're my coworkers, explain them, Hey, you know, 660 00:30:46,825 --> 00:30:48,285 do what you can do here. 661 00:30:48,345 --> 00:30:50,445 In the end, it will pay you back. 662 00:30:51,265 --> 00:30:56,165 If not here in end, God will give you back. And that's my 663 00:30:56,165 --> 00:30:57,165 - Story. 664 00:30:57,165 --> 00:31:00,365 Do you get to see your family much back in India? I 665 00:31:00,365 --> 00:31:01,885 - Go back every two, three times a year 666 00:31:03,115 --> 00:31:04,845 because I'm very close to my family. 667 00:31:04,985 --> 00:31:06,685 I'm the oldest one and anything happens 668 00:31:06,735 --> 00:31:08,165 there, I have to make a decision. 669 00:31:08,595 --> 00:31:10,845 Even from here, they cannot make it. 670 00:31:12,385 --> 00:31:14,885 And that's, that's, that's what it is. 671 00:31:15,345 --> 00:31:17,645 That's the rule where the parents, nowadays, 672 00:31:17,645 --> 00:31:19,205 people separate, do all that. 673 00:31:19,265 --> 00:31:21,925 But I try to keep all my family together. 674 00:31:23,185 --> 00:31:24,405 That's, that's my goal. 675 00:31:24,615 --> 00:31:28,805 Until, you know, they can, until I can, that's how, 676 00:31:28,865 --> 00:31:29,885 that's how I live. 677 00:31:30,955 --> 00:31:32,485 - When you look back on your life, 678 00:31:32,615 --> 00:31:35,725 which in my opinion is extraordinary, you've had so many 679 00:31:36,575 --> 00:31:40,125 incredible adventures and met fascinating people. 680 00:31:41,805 --> 00:31:43,925 I mean, that must, when you look back, 681 00:31:43,985 --> 00:31:45,205 you must scratch your head 682 00:31:45,205 --> 00:31:46,885 and think, what, what was all that? 683 00:31:48,365 --> 00:31:49,845 - Sometime I know when I go fishing, 684 00:31:50,045 --> 00:31:51,405 I know I sit on the river. 685 00:31:51,765 --> 00:31:53,285 I think, okay, what was I, 686 00:31:53,285 --> 00:31:56,045 what would have I been, what would have happened? 687 00:31:56,105 --> 00:31:57,245 It, it comes to me, 688 00:31:57,385 --> 00:32:01,005 but then I say, you know what it was meant to be, you know, 689 00:32:01,005 --> 00:32:02,805 that's what God send me here to do. 690 00:32:03,145 --> 00:32:04,645 You know, that's what I have to do. 691 00:32:04,665 --> 00:32:07,325 You know, protect the river, protect the mountains. 692 00:32:07,325 --> 00:32:10,205 That's what, and even here, sometime I go fishing, 693 00:32:10,365 --> 00:32:11,925 I find a paper or I find anything. 694 00:32:11,965 --> 00:32:15,165 I just put it in my pocket and take it back. I still do it. 695 00:32:16,425 --> 00:32:19,365 You know? It's really, really, that's, that's, 696 00:32:19,365 --> 00:32:20,485 that has not gone away. 697 00:32:20,485 --> 00:32:23,205 That's always with me. Even in home, I pay kids. 698 00:32:23,675 --> 00:32:26,365 When I go back, I pay the kids to clean all 699 00:32:26,365 --> 00:32:27,685 around the houses and everything. 700 00:32:27,685 --> 00:32:30,245 When I go home, if there's any 701 00:32:30,245 --> 00:32:31,525 garbage, they know I'm coming. 702 00:32:32,035 --> 00:32:33,365 When I come, it's spotless. 703 00:32:33,875 --> 00:32:36,005 They know he's gonna be, he will not be happy. 704 00:32:37,025 --> 00:32:40,165 And I teach all my family related to everything. 705 00:32:40,245 --> 00:32:43,125 I said, you know, if you keep it clean, even the dog, 706 00:32:43,225 --> 00:32:45,765 the dog sets, he cleans first, you know? 707 00:32:46,465 --> 00:32:47,645 And I tell them same thing. 708 00:32:47,725 --> 00:32:49,765 I said, you know, I make them guilty, 709 00:32:49,905 --> 00:32:53,245 but they do keep it clean as much as you know, they can. 710 00:32:54,045 --> 00:32:55,845 - Whenever I see litter, it makes me crazy. 711 00:32:56,185 --> 00:33:00,565 It seems the ultimate form, the ultimate sign 712 00:33:00,585 --> 00:33:03,085 of disrespect is when people litter 713 00:33:03,235 --> 00:33:06,485 - Because God gave you this, all this, this beauty. 714 00:33:07,545 --> 00:33:08,645 You have to protect it. 715 00:33:08,645 --> 00:33:11,605 You cannot destroy it, you know, let others enjoy it too. 716 00:33:12,425 --> 00:33:14,245 That's, that's my goal. It's 717 00:33:14,245 --> 00:33:15,245 - Beautiful. 718 00:33:15,895 --> 00:33:17,925 Thank you so much for, 719 00:33:19,065 --> 00:33:21,405 for telling your story. It's really lovely. 720 00:33:22,095 --> 00:33:23,325 - Thank you. - . 721 00:33:23,555 --> 00:33:25,485 Tell people how they can find you. Oh, 722 00:33:25,485 --> 00:33:26,485 - They can find me. 723 00:33:26,485 --> 00:33:30,125 My, you know, my name and , they can go on that. 724 00:33:30,245 --> 00:33:33,925 I, or my, you know, my email, whatever they want. 725 00:33:34,425 --> 00:33:37,165 - You're the best. - Thank you dear. Love you. Love 726 00:33:37,165 --> 00:33:38,165 - You too. 727 00:33:38,165 --> 00:33:40,285 Thank you so much and thank you for listening everybody 728 00:33:40,595 --> 00:33:41,595 - Keep in touch. 729 00:33:41,725 --> 00:33:44,125 - , I'll, okay, dear. Bye-Bye. 730 00:33:44,585 --> 00:33:47,365 - Bye dear. - Great. 731 00:33:47,385 --> 00:33:50,245 Review and subscribe to, Hey, human podcast on iTunes 732 00:33:50,245 --> 00:33:51,485 or wherever you get your podcast. 733 00:33:51,945 --> 00:33:53,565 Thanks. Bye.