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Hey humans. How's it
going? Susan Ruth here.

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Thanks for listening to another
episode of Hey Human Podcast.

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This is episode 384 and I had
a conversation with Lauren

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Reiner. Lauren's a talented
young singer songwriter,

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I've written with her and she's
fabulous. She's working on new music.

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As she recovers from brain surgery,

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she had the brain surgery
procedure to ease her epilepsy.

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It's been an emotional and
physical rollercoaster to be sure,

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but she's navigating her way
back to health and happiness.

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She's fierce and brave and
determined, and a badass.

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If you ask me, there is a
trigger warning on this episode.

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We talked about mental health aspects
and depression and things like that.

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So make sure that if that's a trigger
for you, you are aware of that.

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If you're looking for a way to help with
the humanitarian crisis happening in

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the Middle East right now,

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check out nrw.org and the other

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great place to donate
money, uh, uh, resources.

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So Doctors Without Borders. So
just wanted to get that out there.

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And prayers for everyone. Check out, Hey,

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human podcast for links and to learn
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check out Susan ruth.com.

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To learn more about me and
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Thank you for listening. Be
well. Stay safe, be kind.

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And here we go. Okay,

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get comfy. Feel good.

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Yeah. <laugh>.

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I like the hair. It's cute.

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Thank you. It took, it
took a minute for me.

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You have good face <laugh>.

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So thank you.

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You could even, I feel like you could
go Sinead full tilt and be fine.

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A lot of people have
said that it took some.

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You have big.

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It took me a while. Like I really hated
it at first. And honestly like they,

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I didn't think I was gonna have to shave
my head. My surgeon was like, it's,

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it's just gonna be like a
small part that's shaved,
but your hair will cover it.

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And I was like, okay. And I woke
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like a third of my head
was shaved. They went.

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For the inverted.

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Mohawk. Like I, yeah, I look like,

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like the Cynthia Doll from the
Rugrats <laugh>. Are you kidding?

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Like I can't what? So I have to cut
it all off, obviously. Shut out.

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Rugrats though. Yeah. Lauren Reiner,
welcome to Hey Human <laugh>.

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Thank you for having me.

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I'm excited.

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Yeah, I've never done a podcast before
so I'm so glad that you asked me.

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I'll be gentle.

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<Laugh>.

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I'm, I'm an easy <laugh>. We met,

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I was trying to remember exactly
did we meet at the B M I thing?

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Was it the B m I thing where you like
plugged your phone in and play a song or

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was it when I played the Acoustic Lounge?

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No, I think it's the, I.

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Think it was that one.

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Phone in and play a song. Yeah.

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That was, it was 2019 right.

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Before the Pandemic Baby. Yeah.
<laugh> the good old days. Yeah.

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That was a good, I loved 2019.

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It was a good year. I.

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Feel like everybody was
kind of thriving and then.

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I was thriving. Me too.

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I was really thriving. I mean,

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I was ignoring things that I probably
shouldn't have been ignoring,

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but I thought I was thriving.

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Well, hindsight is 2020
and ignorance is bliss.

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Yeah, right. Oh God. <laugh>, definitely.

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Let's start with your start.
Where did you grow up?

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I grew up in Pleasantville, New
York, which is like 40, 45 minutes.

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Uh, north of New York City.

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They made a movie about
Pleasantville. Is it?

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I don't, I don't know if it's the same
one and I honestly have never seen it.

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Which people are always like, how
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Like you grew up in
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Is it Reese Witherspoon or something?

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Uh, Joaquin Phoenix. I feel like some
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It's been so long.

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That's exactly.

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What it's might be confusing
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No, that's what it is. It's like
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I think it's black and white, but where
I grew up was fully color. So <laugh>.

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Technicolor no less. Yeah. <laugh>. How
was, uh, childhood? Were you created,

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you're a, you're a songwriter.
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I, yeah.

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I always was into music
from when I was super young.

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Like my dad plays guitar and I
think he would play for us. I know,

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I don't know why I said I think
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Like before we went to sleep Uhhuh
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professional musicians.

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Dad's mother was a classical pianist
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violinist.

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They ended up doing other stuff 'cause
it's really hard to make money from

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music. Obviously a lot worse now. But
even then it was, you know, very hard.

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piano when I was five.

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I started playing guitar when I was like
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when I was 12. I wanted to start
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'cause I think it can be actually not
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lessons super young.

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Oh, now you tell me. I
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<Laugh>. I'm sure it's like, I'm sure
it's fine. Your voice sounds great.

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So who knows <laugh>.

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I had a voice injury, a vocal
injury in high school actually that.

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Was Did you get a node or.

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No, a hemorrhage. Ooh.

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My You went full tilt.
Yeah. From singing too hard.

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I like had chronic strep at the time.

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This was before I got my tonsils out and
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warmups and I knew I was kind of pushing,

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didn't want to seem like I
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So I kind of went really high and I like
felt this kind of like pop and I went

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to the E N T and they
told me I had hemorrhage,

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but it's actually way less of a big
deal than a node 'cause it just kind of

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heals on its own versus a node needing
to be taken out for my hemorrhage.

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They were pretty much just like,

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you need to not talk for like
two weeks and then it's harder.

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Than it looks.

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I cried so much silently but still
cried in the library at school,

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like writing to my friends on like
a whiteboard and I was like, my.

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Life is.

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Over. Yeah, no, I seriously thought my
career was over but it, it healed up.

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Like there's still maybe a
tiny bit of scar tissue there,

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but it's fine.

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It's funny to think as adults,

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someone telling us we can't talk
for two weeks Sounds like a dream.

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<Laugh>. Yeah. I don't know. It was, yeah,

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in high school it was definitely
harder than it would be now. Sure.

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Although I'm like so ready to
get back out into the world.

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I feel like I've spent so much time like
not talking and because of the surgery

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and stuff, so eager to
get out and do things.

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But I also like still am really
recovering and like need to chill

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and it's, it's really
hard to find that balance.

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Did you have health issues as a kid?

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I had a couple febrile
seizures when I was a kid,

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which is having a high
fever and getting a seizure,

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which honestly in kids is actually really
common. I think only, I don't know,

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10 to 20% of kids that have fever
seizures end up having epilepsy.

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I think I was like maybe 18 months and
my mom just like sensed that something

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was wrong and looked on the baby monitor
and saw that I was convulsing like the

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whole thing.

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Terrifying.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean I think they
thought I was dying in that moment,

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which was incredibly scary. Yeah.

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So obviously like they rushed me to
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this happens 'cause as a baby I
like had really high fevers and

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they started kind of learning that
putting me in a cold bath would kind of

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My dad said he would kind of see a certain
look in my eyes and he was like, Hmm,

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something's about to happen. And
he would put me in a cold bath.

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But I think there were a couple
other seizures, maybe one or two,

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but one of them lasted
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which is pretty long and is probably
why I have epilepsy now. I also,

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I mean I was born jaundiced,

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like I've always kind of
had some weird health stuff,

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like stomach stuff and which I think we
later learned in my life was really my

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gallbladder. But that's,
we'll get there later.

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I kind of always struggled
a little bit with stuff.

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Got strep a lot and I think I
just kind of was more prone to

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getting sick. The seizures. Uh,
once I turned two totally gone. Hmm.

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In retrospect,

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is there potential that
the fever and seizure

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relation was actually
epilepsy back then? Oh.

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Yeah. Actually fevers are like a massive,
massive uh, trigger for seizures.

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So it's possible that
I had epilepsy already,

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but I'm not really sure because after
that I didn't have a seizure again until I

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And when I did I had no idea I
was a seizure for many years.

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You just thought you
were a great dancer? No.

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'Cause I, I was awake. That's
the thing is like with epilepsy,

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I'm actually gonna be participating in
this documentary that this girl is making

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about epilepsy, which I'm,

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I'm really excited about 'cause I feel
like there's so much that people don't

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know about it. And I didn't know,

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I didn't know that there were seizures
that you could be awake and not convulse.

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I didn't know that. So we had, so you.

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Could have seizures that you're ocular
seizures that are just, that make you.

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My very good friend has that
mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah.

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Who had the same surgery
as me. That's how we met.

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Her vision gets really weird and
starry. And you've had that. Mm-hmm.

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<affirmative>. Really? Mm-hmm
<affirmative>. Do you have epilepsy?

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I don't know. I've never been tested for
it but I have on occasion gone blind.

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But I see uh, wiggly things. Yeah.

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And then I can't see it all and it
lasts and then it usually has a terrible

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headache associated. I just
always assume they were migraines.

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But the way you're describing.

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That could be migraine with aura though.
Yeah. Maybe you should see around.

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Probably. I'll add it to the list. Yeah.

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<Laugh>, I was on a
flight back from France,

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like it was the first time
I'd ever left the country.

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We did like a family trip and I had taken
a nap and I woke up and I'd got this

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really weird feeling and
didn't know where I was and

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got kind of tingly and
just was really confused.

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And then I kind of came out of it.
I just didn't really understand.

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I tried to explain it to my
parents. I was like, yeah,

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I woke up and I just felt like really
weird and kind of really anxious and they,

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they were like, oh you had a panic attack.

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That's what it sounded like all
the way through high school.

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I would have them like every like
four or five months at that point.

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And it was always when I was waking up
from sleep, oh, panic, attack, whatever.

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And there was one actually though,

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right after high school my
friends and I were swimming and

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I had one,

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'cause we had smoked a lot of weeded
and my friends kind of pulled me out.

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Like I didn't go under but I just, I just,

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it was clear I didn't really
understand what was going on.

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So they like pulled me outta the
water and I just remember being like,

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what the hell?

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I just thought it was like I was too
high or something and had a really bad

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panic attack in college. I don't
know, I thought I was fine.

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And then my senior year,
it started happening every

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two weeks maybe. And.

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Same when you woke up.
Mm-hmm. <affirmative>,

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is there some sort of thing
with waking up and seizures?

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Sleep and seizures are intertwined.

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One of the biggest seizure triggers ever
is not getting enough sleep. But yeah,

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so I was a senior and I don't know
why I'm having these panic attacks.

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I'm happy I'm thriving,
I don't understand.

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And I was talking to my dad and he just,

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I think he was distracted
but he was like, oh, like,

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like what are your panic attacks? I
didn't even think of it. I was like,

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I get this really intense feeling of
deja vu and there's like always this

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Japanese woman and she's telling me the
same thing and I know what she's gonna

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say but like after the panic attack,
I can't remember what she said.

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And like I also can't read or
speak a minute if I read something.

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I remember looking at a
text, my friend was like,

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when do you want me to pick you up? And
to me in that moment it was like blah,

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blah blah. Like I was like, what the hell?

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And I say things that don't really
make sense. And my dad was like,

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are you kidding me? That
is not a panic attack.

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I don't know what the hell that is,
but I'm gonna come down to Miami.

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So he came, which is
where I was at school,

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he came down to Miami
and took me to see Dr.

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Canner who's at the U Miami Hospital.
And he's like a well-known neurologist.

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First of all, I'd be remiss if I
didn't bring up the Japanese woman. I.

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I couldn't that you know,
it's actually stopped.

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But it didn't stop until I was like
22, 23. But it was like every time.

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And.

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You saw her outside of
yourself or in your mind?

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In my mind. But I have one
of my friends with epilepsy,

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he kind of had something similar.

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Like he would always see
his dad and it was al,

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he was always saying
the same thing to him.

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Deja vu is a super common
aura thing in the moment.

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I knew what she was saying. I was
like, yeah, yeah like get it over with.

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But I will.

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Never was a warning.

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I don't know. I have no idea. <laugh>.

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Man.

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Seizures are really weird.
Like really fucking weird.

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But always the same woman. Yes.

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But.

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You'd never seen her in real
time. No. Whatever that means. No.

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Fascinating. Really weird. Yeah, so
far this is my favorite part. Alright,

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<laugh>.

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So then my.

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That's just wild.

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Yeah, it was. I remember <laugh>,

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I'll never forget that phone call
with my dad 'cause he was like,

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what are you talking about? Yeah. I.

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Would've been like, I'm sorry what?

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Yeah, he was like, um, we're gonna
need to take you to the doctor.

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Like immediately. So we
went to see this guy,

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Dr. Canner who's really
wonderful and you know,

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we sat down with him in his office and I
spoke for a little bit and he was like,

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you have epilepsy. No I don't.
I don't. And he was like,

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I mean you can be in denial but like
you do, those are partial seizures.

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They did an E E G which
is kind of, you know,

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have you ever seen pictures when they
like put them on on your head? I'm done.

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Sure. Yeah. They didn't really see much.

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They saw a little bit of
weirdness happening in

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my left temporal lobe and he
tried to put me on medication.

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He put me on Lamictal and I was on
it for one day and I freaked out and

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stopped 'cause I'm just so sensitive
and the epilepsy meds really

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are not good for me, like
mentally, which is not uncommon.

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So I stopped it and I was like, you know
what? My seizures aren't that serious.

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Like who caress whatever. And then
I went back to New York, you know,

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I was done with college and I started
seeing this doctor, Dr. Jacobson,

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who's also really
wonderful in Westchester.

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And he put me on Trileptol,
which is another epilepsy med.

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I went with my friend to
Europe for the summer.

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I was pretty okay.

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But I had really bad headaches
literally every day and

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suddenly had a temper, which was
not something that I'd had before.

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And like there were a couple
times that I like screamed at her.

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So when I got back from Europe I
was like, I don't wanna be on this,

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I don't like this. And then I was like,

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would you be okay if I tried medical
marijuana? And he was like, sure.

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So this was like end of 2018,

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I started taking pills that were like
20 milligram C B d one milligram T H c

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twice a day. Didn't have a seizure
for 16 months. Thought I was cured,

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living my best life. I moved
out here January, 2019.

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I was driving so happy and then like I,

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I truly was like, oh I'm cured. Like
that was, that was easy, whatever.

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And then November, 2019 I was in a session
with some friends and I had a seizure

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music session. Yeah.

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And I have like a voice memo of
it when I'm having a seizure.

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I can't say that I'm having a
seizure. Like I can't find the words.

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And they didn't know what was going on.

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So they were trying to
guess what was happening.

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I guess I was kind of saying
like, and they were like,

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like they had no idea what
was happening. They were like,

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oh I don't know what I don't know.

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And then eventually once I was
out of it, they were like, oh.

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And I told them and I sent it to
my neurologist and he was like,

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your friends are not very bright <laugh>.
I don't know, they just had no idea.

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Do they know ahead of time that
you had this issue? So that.

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I wasn't really talking about it. I.

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Mean it's pretty private I suppose.

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I mean, well kind of. You watched
the Kickstarter video? Yeah,

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I kind of mentioned in that
when I moved here. Yeah.

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It was pretty easy at the time to pretend
that I didn't have epilepsy because I

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wasn't having seizures. I was taking
the medical marijuana. So I was like,

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oh why would I tell people
about it? Like you know,

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and it's this girl who's gonna be
doing this documentary that I'm

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gonna be working on with her.

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We spoke a couple weeks ago and she was
saying she didn't really tell anybody

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about her epilepsy for a really
long time. And somehow hidden,

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even though hers like her,

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she like convulses and stuff but
she's just felt so embarrassed by it.

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Which is really sad. And I
get it because I've felt,

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I don't know if embarrassed
is the right word,

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but like worried that I'm
gonna seem burdensome,

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broken. Yeah.

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Or like worried that people don't wanna
handle it and like are freaked out by

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it. I was like dating and stuff.

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I wasn't really telling people.

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I mean I started dating somebody at the
end of 2019 and we dated two years on

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and off and I think I told him relatively
early on because I was having seizures

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again like right after we
met. And I try really hard,

334
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honestly I'm very open about it
because I think it's, you know,

335
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it should not be something to be
ashamed of. Like it's not my fault,

336
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it's a brain disease, you know? And I
think there's just a lot that people don't

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understand.

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We like lived together during the
pandemic at his parents' house and he was

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incredibly supportive and not judgmental,

340
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which meant a lot to me.

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And he was very much there for me through
a lot of, a lot of epilepsy stuff,

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which I really appreciate. But you know,

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it did definitely cause
stress in our relationship.

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Like when my epilepsy was getting
really bad 'cause it was scary for him.

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It was scary for me and it was,
what do you think made it get worse?

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So in 2020 I was still kind of
pretending that I was healthy.

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I had over a couple years,

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like 2017 to 20 19, 20 20 maybe 2018 more.

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I was kind of losing weight
and I didn't really know why

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and I like had no appetite
but I was just like,

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oh it must be like one of the
antidepressants I'm on or like whatever.

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And I was kind of fine with it
'cause I was like oh I look good.

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And people kind of were treating
me differently and it was,

354
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which is annoying right now. I'm like
one 40 and I got down to like one 15.

355
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Yeah, that's a lot. No it was
not good. It was not good but,

356
00:19:15,770 --> 00:19:17,790
and 'cause like every time
I took a bite of food,

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I like felt like I couldn't breathe And
we went to all these stomach doctors

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over the years and they were
just like, I don't know.

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So I was living in Kansas City
with my boyfriend at the time and

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it was just getting worse. We drove,
I remember like very specifically,

361
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we drove from Missouri to New York
in like June to see my parents

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and I was in the fetal
position the entire drive.

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I just didn't understand
what was going on.

364
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And I was literally <laugh>
constipated for two weeks straight.

365
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And I was like, something is
seriously wrong. And you know,

366
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any physical illness just
exacerbates epilepsy.

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Any sort of stress on
your body exacerbates it.

368
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So I came back to LA
honestly spent most of,

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I was with Roger actually all
the time. Our mutual friend Yes.

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Who was lovely and very talented.

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We were hanging out every day and I was
just like in the fetal position on his

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couch or in the car or we went to
Malibu one day and I was like in

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unbelievable pain.

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Got to the point where I was
constipated for three weeks straight.

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I went to a doctor. Were you having
any movements? No. Okay. Nothing. Wow.

376
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:33,830
I went to a doctor that's
very dangerous. Yeah.

377
00:20:33,930 --> 00:20:37,270
And I went to the A doctor
at U C L A. He was like,

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well just like take some
laxatives. And I was like, no,

379
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something's like seriously wrong. And
he was like, you're fine, whatever.

380
00:20:44,290 --> 00:20:47,200
And then I ended up, eventually I,

381
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my shoulder started really hurting and
I was talking to my cousin and I was

382
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like, I don't know,

383
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I've been having these stomach issues
and I don't know my shoulder like somehow

384
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is injured. And she was like, wait, is
it your left shoulder? And I was like,

385
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yes. And she was like, something's
wrong with your gallbladder.

386
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Like that's textbook gallbladder
if you have left shoulder pain

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and stomach pain.

388
00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:15,320
So I went to urgent care and
the doctor there was like,

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you're fine.

390
00:21:16,260 --> 00:21:19,920
And I was like no you have to do a fucking
ultrasound 'cause something is wrong.

391
00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:23,160
And he was like, Ugh fine, whatever. I.

392
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:25,400
Hate that. I know so much.

393
00:21:25,580 --> 00:21:27,520
No, he was totally not
listening to me and I was like,

394
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:28,840
something is really wrong.

395
00:21:29,220 --> 00:21:32,120
So I get this ultrasound and you
know how like the people who do that,

396
00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:34,520
they're not supposed to tell you things,

397
00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:38,040
but she was doing the
ultrasound and she was like,

398
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,680
I know that I'm not supposed to talk
to you but you need to call a surgeon

399
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:47,200
like right now because your
gallbladder's literally about to explode.

400
00:21:47,580 --> 00:21:49,200
And she probably knows
that you're gonna be.

401
00:21:49,470 --> 00:21:50,360
What? Yeah. You.

402
00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:52,280
Know, shoved off by doctors.

403
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:56,440
Well no once, oh god. Once they
saw the pictures of my gallbladder,

404
00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,280
they were like, holy shit, you need
to get surgery. Like right now, what.

405
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,720
Is the gallbladder responsible
for? That's the bile.

406
00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:07,880
Yes. Yeah. So yeah, the bile duct, which
that also got destroyed. But that's,

407
00:22:07,950 --> 00:22:11,960
I'll get to that. So went back
to New York, went to N Y U and.

408
00:22:12,220 --> 00:22:13,880
That's laparoscopic. Yes.

409
00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:15,280
It can be.

410
00:22:15,730 --> 00:22:19,920
First of all, why is your arm in I, is
it referred pain? The left arm? It's.

411
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,080
Just, yeah, I think it's just referred
pain. Fascinating. It was really weird.

412
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,560
I, I truly thought that I like pulled
a muscle. I was like, what is going on?

413
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,280
Mm-hmm. Yeah. So we went to this
doctor at N Y U and I didn't even,

414
00:22:29,540 --> 00:22:33,200
he looked at the pictures
of the ultrasound and he
was like, oh god, yeah I,

415
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or maybe he even just looked at the report
and he like scheduled the surgery for

416
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like the next week gallbladder
removal, which is a cholecystectomy.

417
00:22:40,190 --> 00:22:43,920
Like it's supposed to be quite
easy. It is usually laparoscopic.

418
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:45,000
Mine was laparoscopic.

419
00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:49,040
But they also can do it open and honestly
they probably should have done mine

420
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,400
open 'cause maybe they would've
seen what was about to happen.

421
00:22:52,740 --> 00:22:56,880
But it's basically they took my
gallbladder out, I went home,

422
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:58,840
it's really not supposed to be a big deal.

423
00:22:59,540 --> 00:23:02,480
And like a weekend I
was just not doing well.

424
00:23:02,590 --> 00:23:05,840
Like I felt honestly I kind
of felt like I was dying,

425
00:23:05,850 --> 00:23:09,680
which I guess I would have
if we didn't do anything.

426
00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:11,800
And I had a fever and we called
my surgeon and he was like,

427
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oh just stand outside it. It was like
what December? Yeah. And I was like,

428
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:20,040
what? Then I think this was
like seven days after, is this.

429
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,000
Not malpractice?

430
00:23:21,620 --> 00:23:26,320
We wanted to sue and we thought
that it was a seven year statute of

431
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limitations and just found out it's only
two and a half years and I just missed

432
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,680
it. Fuck. Which sucks we, we've
talked to some lawyers about it,

433
00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:34,960
but it is what it is.

434
00:23:35,380 --> 00:23:39,680
My mom and I were driving to the mall
and like I don't have the best memory

435
00:23:40,260 --> 00:23:43,480
but there are some of these
moments that are so clear.

436
00:23:43,550 --> 00:23:47,920
Like we were driving to the the mole
and she looked at me and she was like,

437
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:50,120
okay, your eyes are fully yellow.

438
00:23:51,020 --> 00:23:55,320
And like I looked at the car mirror
and I was like oh my god. Oh.

439
00:23:55,380 --> 00:23:56,090
No. Yeah.

440
00:23:56,090 --> 00:23:58,200
Liver. Liver. Yeah. Yeah.
Liver shutting down.

441
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,160
And so we called the doctor
and he was like, okay,

442
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,200
that's actually a serious problem.
Like you need to come. Oh gee.

443
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,360
You think buddy? Yeah.

444
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,880
<Laugh>, you need to come
back. By the time I got there,

445
00:24:07,260 --> 00:24:10,160
my whole body was yellow. I
looked like I'd been in the sun.

446
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,760
I remember the nurse being like,
whoa, you are really jaundiced.

447
00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:17,200
And you know, they took some blood
tests and they're like, okay,

448
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,400
your liver's like totally blocked bile.

449
00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:23,440
Looks connected to the liver bone.
Right? Yeah. Is that how that.

450
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,040
Works? So it turned out that my
bile duct was completely twisted,

451
00:24:27,610 --> 00:24:30,560
which that's not supposed
to happen obviously. Did.

452
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,280
That happen from the surgery or
did that happen from the Yeah,

453
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,080
so when they pulled that puppy out they.

454
00:24:35,230 --> 00:24:36,560
Something happened. Yeah,

455
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,520
something happened and they didn't
realize it obviously. So this guy, Dr.

456
00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:44,400
Haber who did a lot of
surgeries on me after that,

457
00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:48,240
but he was like, yeah there's
probably just a stone stuck.

458
00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:52,800
It's not a big deal. It'll be like
30 minutes. They do an E R C P,

459
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,960
which is an endoscopic procedure.

460
00:24:54,990 --> 00:24:57,640
Somehow they can get from your
mouth to your bile doctor, which.

461
00:24:57,700 --> 00:24:59,200
We are just a tube, whatever. That's.

462
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,720
All we are. Yeah. <laugh> and.

463
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,480
Technically that's what
we are. We're a tube.

464
00:25:02,750 --> 00:25:07,680
That is true. And so he, I go into this
surgery, he's like, it's me 30 minutes,

465
00:25:07,870 --> 00:25:11,920
like three hours go by and my parents
are like, what is going on? What,

466
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,840
what the hell? And I wake up and I hear
him, you know, I was really out of it.

467
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,480
But I hear him telling my parents like,

468
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:22,680
yeah her bile duct got
kinked and like twisted.

469
00:25:23,220 --> 00:25:28,120
So we had to put a stent in
and we're gonna need to do

470
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,160
a, a fair number of these over
the next year. And I just.

471
00:25:32,220 --> 00:25:34,280
To expand the bile, the duct. Yes.

472
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,000
I just started sobbing 'cause I was
like, are you kidding me right now?

473
00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:42,200
And the stents were just hell for me.

474
00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:43,800
So that was the end of 2020.

475
00:25:43,940 --> 00:25:48,200
So through 2021 I got
nine of those procedures.

476
00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:49,173
All endoscopic.

477
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:52,320
Yeah. But the problem is, is like I don't,

478
00:25:52,340 --> 00:25:55,120
the stents were just
incredibly painful for me.

479
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,600
I got pancreatitis like
three times. Which.

480
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,680
Inflammation of the pancreas, is
that all that means? Or is that Yeah.

481
00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:06,840
But pancreatitis is known to be like
one of the most painful screaming fetal

482
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,080
position. Oh my god. I
mean the amount of opiates.

483
00:26:09,260 --> 00:26:11,600
And the pancreas is
responsible for insulin.

484
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,800
I think so I should know this. Yeah.

485
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,720
That's, that's our insulin production.

486
00:26:17,140 --> 00:26:18,560
Yes. And then.

487
00:26:19,260 --> 00:26:22,880
So that must've been sending your
blood sugars all over the map too.

488
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,120
I don't know so much. It was,

489
00:26:25,140 --> 00:26:29,640
it was more my liver enzymes that
were kind of going crazy. Um,

490
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:30,430
your.

491
00:26:30,430 --> 00:26:31,263
Poor body.

492
00:26:31,470 --> 00:26:35,360
Yeah. And then you know,
obviously I started um,

493
00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:39,840
having more like partial
seizures and then in

494
00:26:39,910 --> 00:26:44,640
July, 2021 I had my first
like adult grandma mal

495
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,280
seizure. I hadn't had a grandma
mal seizure since I was a baby.

496
00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:50,400
It's actually called a
tonic-clonic seizure.

497
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:53,680
But most people know it as grandma
Mal. Yeah, grandma. Yeah. Um,

498
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,680
'cause I had this idea that
that wasn't possible for me.

499
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,640
I had these partial seizures, I was
still driving. I was like, uh, it's fine.

500
00:27:01,710 --> 00:27:03,080
What does a grandma do to you?

501
00:27:03,660 --> 00:27:07,440
That's like fully passing
out convulsing for me.

502
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,200
I like stop breathing for
sometimes like 40 seconds.

503
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:15,320
Yeah. Not good. And it was
in, it was interesting.

504
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,240
My grandma had like
rushed me to the hospital.

505
00:27:17,260 --> 00:27:21,840
It was a couple days after I got my stent
switch and I was like in extreme pain

506
00:27:22,980 --> 00:27:27,840
and it turned out it was like infected
and I think had fallen into my

507
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,680
small intestine. But we got to the
hospital and I was like begging them for

508
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,800
morphine and I think they thought
that I was a drug addict. Yeah, yeah.

509
00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:40,160
And my grandma was like,
no you don't understand.

510
00:27:40,610 --> 00:27:41,960
She's been through all this stuff.

511
00:27:41,980 --> 00:27:45,040
And they were kind of like ignoring
us even though they were empty.

512
00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:48,600
And the second they got
me into the hospital bed,

513
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,120
I went into a full gram mal seizure.
I think the pain was just too much.

514
00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:56,520
And my body was like, okay, I can't
do this. I'm shutting down bye.

515
00:27:56,820 --> 00:28:01,760
And I woke up and my grandma was
sobbing and it was just terrible

516
00:28:02,220 --> 00:28:04,080
for everybody. It traumatized her.

517
00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:08,200
It traumatized my parents who were on
the phone when it was happening and they

518
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,480
like thought I was dying 'cause my
grandma was like screaming and it was not

519
00:28:12,590 --> 00:28:13,180
good.

520
00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:18,160
But that day definitely changed my life

521
00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:21,040
before I had had these
partial seizures that like,

522
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,920
yeah they were annoying but
like I could kind of get through

523
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:28,440
with them. Like I was, you know,

524
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,600
like I could kind of hide it
and it wasn't like I could,

525
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,960
I have had a partial while
driving and I was fine.

526
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:39,160
Like it didn't affect my motor
skills. But once I had that grand mal,

527
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,320
I remember like being on the
phone with my ex-boyfriend and

528
00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:46,880
we were together at the time and just,

529
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,640
I don't think my life's ever
gonna be the same after this. And

530
00:28:52,340 --> 00:28:55,960
he was like, no, no I don't. I don't
know. I just knew it was different.

531
00:28:55,980 --> 00:29:00,200
So I stopped driving, I was living
here and I was hoping, you know,

532
00:29:00,630 --> 00:29:03,720
okay if I get, if I go six months
without a grand mal, I can drive again.

533
00:29:04,420 --> 00:29:08,480
And I was doing pretty well.
Went home for Christmas break,

534
00:29:08,860 --> 00:29:13,080
had a massive grand mal seizure at
home. Thank God you were at home though.

535
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,600
Geez. I was in bed with my mom.

536
00:29:14,660 --> 00:29:19,080
We were just like hanging out and I had
been crying about something and then it

537
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,680
was just like, like it just,

538
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,160
I woke up to paramedics standing over
me and I was like, what happened?

539
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,160
Whatever. And do you have siblings? I
have an older sister, yeah. After that,

540
00:29:29,780 --> 00:29:32,920
you know, my parents were like,
you need to move back here.

541
00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:38,160
You can't live across the country
right now and be having these seizures.

542
00:29:38,350 --> 00:29:41,040
Like this is not working. Um.

543
00:29:41,390 --> 00:29:44,600
Meanwhile in LA you're
trying to pursue your career.

544
00:29:45,670 --> 00:29:50,000
Yeah, I really didn't do much in
2021 because of the stent surgeries.

545
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,880
I was honestly in bed in the
pandemic 90% of the time.

546
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,200
I actually kind of stopped
playing music in 2021.

547
00:29:56,350 --> 00:29:59,360
They put me back on epilepsy
meds after the gram mal seizure.

548
00:29:59,660 --> 00:30:04,360
And the one they put me on called
Vimpat was the only one that ever

549
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,120
didn't make me depressed. But it made me,

550
00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:11,000
it made music honestly sound
like nails on a chalkboard.

551
00:30:11,860 --> 00:30:13,760
And I don't know why,

552
00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:17,720
but I like stop listening
to music, stop playing.

553
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:23,360
And that med also gave me debilitating
anxiety and then like I switched

554
00:30:23,380 --> 00:30:25,560
to another medication and blah blah blah.

555
00:30:25,980 --> 00:30:28,960
And then I stopped them again and then
I had that huge seizure and my parents

556
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,320
were like, okay, you have to come back.

557
00:30:30,820 --> 00:30:34,400
If I remember correctly we're having
some bouts of depression through this.

558
00:30:34,460 --> 00:30:35,260
Who wouldn't really.

559
00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:39,080
Oh my god. <laugh> And yeah, it, yeah,

560
00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:42,360
it was 2021 was a really rough year.

561
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:47,600
My ex kind of got me through
the second half of that year.

562
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,640
Like we had broken up the first half of
2021 and then we got back together the

563
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,080
second half of 2021. And
he was really supportive.

564
00:30:55,140 --> 00:30:57,560
We were long distance
but he was, you know,

565
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,880
we were talking every day and I was
seeing him every couple weeks and that was

566
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,320
like the light of my life at the time.

567
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:06,760
And then January, 2022 we break up and

568
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,720
I get put on like a new
epilepsy med and yeah,

569
00:31:09,740 --> 00:31:14,600
my depression started going
absolutely bonkers and I started

570
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,400
seeing this new neuropsychiatrist
who I will not name because

571
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:21,880
I hate her.

572
00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:26,520
She completely gaslit
me and my parents and

573
00:31:27,270 --> 00:31:30,160
told me that the side effects
were all in my head and

574
00:31:31,870 --> 00:31:36,480
that I needed to be on epilepsy
meds and that I was not

575
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,680
a candidate for brain surgery.
And she was just like,

576
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,200
you just need to suck it up 'cause
you have to stay on these meds.

577
00:31:42,820 --> 00:31:47,610
So in 2022 I went through like,
oh my god, I don't, oh God,

578
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,810
I've been on 10 epilepsy meds
total <laugh>. Which is ridiculous.

579
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,210
They absolutely ripped my mental
health to shreds to the point

580
00:31:57,300 --> 00:32:02,130
where in March, 2022 my parents
sent me to Sierra Tucson,

581
00:32:02,460 --> 00:32:07,130
which is like a rehab facility,
whether it's for sobriety, depression,

582
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:11,290
you know, and it, it was, I, I
needed to be there like I was,

583
00:32:11,730 --> 00:32:15,890
I was becoming very, very
suicidal. I was not doing well.

584
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:19,570
And I went there and
it was okay. You know,

585
00:32:20,250 --> 00:32:22,210
I came back home and I don't know,

586
00:32:22,210 --> 00:32:26,890
they put me on this other medication
and I was sobbing every day.

587
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:28,010
And what was <laugh>,

588
00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:30,450
what was ridiculous is it wasn't
even stopping my seizures.

589
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:33,850
I was still having a partial
seizure like once every three weeks,

590
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:36,450
which was what it usually was. Anyways.

591
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:42,000
So they kept switching the meds
I got sent to multiple rehab

592
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,240
places. There was one in
California that was a nightmare.

593
00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:48,800
There was one in Nashville.

594
00:32:49,250 --> 00:32:51,640
Rehab for your mental health
or rehab for your brain.

595
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:54,640
Mental health, like an inpatient
therapy thing. And I was,

596
00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:57,320
the whole time I was like, this is not me.

597
00:32:57,820 --> 00:33:01,120
But I was becoming so suicidal.

598
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,680
I was having a very hard time
with the breakup because you know,

599
00:33:05,780 --> 00:33:09,880
he had become my safe person. You know,

600
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,200
we were still talking but
like we shouldn't have been.

601
00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:15,000
And it got really messy.

602
00:33:15,270 --> 00:33:20,120
Like there was this point in July of 2022,

603
00:33:20,260 --> 00:33:23,520
my parents really wanted to
go on on a week vacation,

604
00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:27,240
but they were worried that I was
gonna kill myself when they were gone.

605
00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:29,880
So my ex ended up coming for a week.

606
00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:31,160
That's a lot of pressure.

607
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:36,120
On him. Yeah, well my
parents ended up paying him.

608
00:33:36,380 --> 00:33:38,800
It was not a good situation for anybody.

609
00:33:39,180 --> 00:33:40,640
Did you know that he was being paid?

610
00:33:40,820 --> 00:33:41,300
Yes,

611
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:46,160
but I didn't really care because
I was in the darkest place ever.

612
00:33:46,380 --> 00:33:49,720
And I just was like, I don't know
what to do. And it did not feel good.

613
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,680
It didn't, I, it didn't feel
good for him either. Like it,

614
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,760
it felt awful for me too.
Like it felt, I don't ever,

615
00:33:55,870 --> 00:34:00,360
ever in my life wanna have to pay
somebody to like be there for me

616
00:34:00,670 --> 00:34:03,520
ever. That's the last time I
ever saw him in person actually.

617
00:34:03,620 --> 00:34:06,280
But we continued talking
actually until quite recently,

618
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,600
like a couple months ago and we
decided to go no contact but you know.

619
00:34:10,750 --> 00:34:15,360
Were you taking the
suicidal ideations to their

620
00:34:15,580 --> 00:34:16,413
limits?

621
00:34:17,020 --> 00:34:20,240
Um, before I went to Sierra Tucson I

622
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,340
had self-harmed and then cutting. Yeah.

623
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:27,940
So then in like

624
00:34:29,820 --> 00:34:34,580
September I started at this really
fucked up outpatient inpatient

625
00:34:34,580 --> 00:34:35,860
therapy place in the city.

626
00:34:36,660 --> 00:34:39,780
I honestly will say their name 'cause I
hate them so much. It's called the dorm.

627
00:34:40,140 --> 00:34:44,220
I lived at this place called Dwell
and it was like run by two people who

628
00:34:44,220 --> 00:34:46,540
literally were not mental
health professionals.

629
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,980
It was an incredibly
traumatic experience. Where.

630
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:50,833
In, in New York?

631
00:34:50,890 --> 00:34:54,980
Yeah. When I was there
I attempted twice and

632
00:34:56,130 --> 00:34:59,900
like once in my room and then another
time I like almost jumped in front of a

633
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:02,660
subway and then I was like,
stop myself. And I ended up,

634
00:35:02,770 --> 00:35:07,180
they ended up making me go to the
psych ward that night and I was just,

635
00:35:07,340 --> 00:35:10,140
I was just so done 'cause
nobody was hearing me.

636
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,620
My neuropsychiatrist had kind of gaslit
my parents into thinking that I was

637
00:35:14,620 --> 00:35:17,660
crazy. Like I remember telling
her and this neurologist,

638
00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:19,660
they were at Columbia by the way.

639
00:35:20,010 --> 00:35:22,940
It's not like they were just some
random people. And I said to them,

640
00:35:23,980 --> 00:35:28,780
I feel like I am about a thousand times
more likely to die from suicide than a

641
00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:31,220
seizure. And they were like,
I don't know what to tell you.

642
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,980
I'm literally gonna end my life.
Like I can't live like this.

643
00:35:35,050 --> 00:35:38,880
Like these meds have stripped
me of my personality.

644
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,000
I lost best friends.

645
00:35:41,780 --> 00:35:46,040
One of my best friends who was like a
best friend of mine for like eight years.

646
00:35:46,340 --> 00:35:48,160
She couldn't handle it anymore. Yeah.

647
00:35:48,190 --> 00:35:49,800
Most of my friends
honestly weren't really,

648
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:51,840
a lot of them weren't really
there for me during that time.

649
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,160
I forgive them because I was not me.

650
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:59,480
And it was getting really
hard. Like it had been. Well.

651
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,240
You carried quite a burden
on your own too, I feel like.

652
00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:06,640
Of course. But like I, you know,
so my and my ex was kind of,

653
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,840
I was still leaning on him really
heavily because we just had become so

654
00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:13,160
trauma bonded.

655
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:17,400
But like he was ready to
move on and I was like,

656
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:22,080
I can't do this without you. And it
just started getting really unhealthy.

657
00:36:22,170 --> 00:36:27,000
Which like, God, if I could
go back and change things,

658
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:29,240
I would, you know, I can't.

659
00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:34,040
And we both really care
about each other still.

660
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:37,880
And like, I hope he doesn't hate
me. I don't think he does, you know.

661
00:36:38,020 --> 00:36:43,000
But we basically agreed to go no
contact for a year a couple months

662
00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:46,200
ago after my brain surgery. And
it's been really good for me.

663
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,440
Getting trauma bonded to
somebody is not a joke.

664
00:36:49,390 --> 00:36:54,320
Like if you go through really hard shit
and you go through it with somebody,

665
00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:57,640
my brain was like, you
cannot do this without him.

666
00:36:57,860 --> 00:37:02,480
And I met my current therapist
in March of this year. This was,

667
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,560
I don't know, a really
profound moment for me.

668
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,880
Like I was crying to her and I was
like, I can't like live without him.

669
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,000
I can't do this without
him. And she said, you can,

670
00:37:13,780 --> 00:37:18,320
you just don't want to but you can.
And like that kind of, I don't,

671
00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:22,080
it honestly kinda shifted
my perspective a little bit.

672
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,880
I actually do have a choice here. Even
though my brain was telling me like, no,

673
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,920
you're gonna die without him. Things
got really rough. Yeah. Like I said,

674
00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:31,280
if I could go back in time I would.

675
00:37:31,420 --> 00:37:35,520
But I'm very grateful for how much
he was there for me during that.

676
00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:40,240
And just anybody that was there for
me. 'cause I know it was hard and yeah,

677
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,360
I lost a fair amount
of people from my life.

678
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:44,960
Sickness is hard for people. It's.

679
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,240
Really hard. My personality changed.

680
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:50,320
That was like in 2022 'cause of the meds,

681
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,040
I became like I wasn't me anymore.

682
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,960
I didn't have like a light in my
eyes anymore. I didn't have like,

683
00:37:58,070 --> 00:38:02,840
like a sense of humor. I like, I
was just like a shell. And yeah.

684
00:38:03,020 --> 00:38:06,400
And also people go through their own
stuff too. We were in a pandemic.

685
00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:08,360
Totally. And people forgot.

686
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,200
How to human in a lot of ways. Yeah.

687
00:38:10,220 --> 00:38:15,200
And I didn't have the energy or
space really to be supportive. No.

688
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,560
Towards my friends. You.

689
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:17,960
Shouldn't have had to have been. Well.

690
00:38:18,220 --> 00:38:22,240
But what you're saying is, is true
is they were going through stuff too.

691
00:38:22,380 --> 00:38:26,520
Mm-hmm <affirmative>. But I couldn't be
there for them. And like I wish I could.

692
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,320
I was just trying to survive the
day. Totally. I was just like,

693
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,440
I don't wanna be on this planet anymore.

694
00:38:32,590 --> 00:38:34,400
Like if this is what my life's gonna be.

695
00:38:35,060 --> 00:38:39,400
So then thankfully I met my current

696
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,640
neurologist, his name is Dr. Kuznick.

697
00:38:42,420 --> 00:38:47,320
And this was actually like four days
after I attempted suicide for the second

698
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,320
time. And my parents were like,
come on, let's, like we got,

699
00:38:50,340 --> 00:38:54,600
we heard good things about him. He's
at Lennox Hill, let's just go see him.

700
00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:59,440
And we went and he was like, oh my god,

701
00:38:59,670 --> 00:39:03,400
this is not working. You need to
get off these meds. This is insane.

702
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,600
They're not even stopping your seizures.
You're trying to kill yourself.

703
00:39:06,990 --> 00:39:10,800
What the fuck? I don't know
why any doctor did this to you,

704
00:39:11,540 --> 00:39:15,120
but we're getting you off of these and
you're totally a candidate for brain

705
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,520
surgery. I have absolutely no
idea what they were talking about.

706
00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:21,400
In January, 2023, I went
into the hospital for like,

707
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:23,533
um,

708
00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:28,000
10 days and they took me off the
meds while having me on an e E G.

709
00:39:28,540 --> 00:39:33,400
And I had a seizure, which was
what they wanted. Not a grand mal,

710
00:39:33,420 --> 00:39:36,560
but they saw that it was coming
from my left temporal lobe.

711
00:39:37,140 --> 00:39:42,120
We started kind of prepping
for brain surgery tests and the

712
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,920
withdrawal from the meds was
rough. But about three weeks in,

713
00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:49,800
my parents were like, whoa,
you're like you again.

714
00:39:50,220 --> 00:39:53,480
And it was like I was seeing my
friends and they were like, oh my god.

715
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:55,520
And I'm so much more me now.

716
00:39:55,630 --> 00:40:00,120
Like then I was still
like really dealing with

717
00:40:00,370 --> 00:40:04,080
everything. And this was a funny
thing that my surgeon said. He,

718
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,400
I think this was before
the second surgery.

719
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:11,240
'cause the first surgery was
this thing called an S E E G,

720
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:14,720
which is actually torture and
I would wish it on nobody.

721
00:40:15,390 --> 00:40:18,760
It's an intracranial E E g.
Basically they put you to sleep,

722
00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:21,440
drill like 13 holes into your brain,

723
00:40:21,860 --> 00:40:26,640
put electrodes in there and then you
have to stay in a bed for like two weeks.

724
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:32,040
Not, not even allowed to get up to
pee torture. And it's very painful.

725
00:40:32,540 --> 00:40:36,760
But the reason they do it is so they
can see exactly where the seizures are

726
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:37,140
coming from.

727
00:40:37,140 --> 00:40:41,000
And I had a big seizure while I was there
and they saw that it was coming from

728
00:40:41,820 --> 00:40:43,640
my hippocampus. And the thing is,

729
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,160
so there's different options
for epilepsy brain surgery,

730
00:40:46,350 --> 00:40:49,280
like the most successful one.

731
00:40:49,940 --> 00:40:53,280
But like biggest deal is them
taking out a piece of your brain,

732
00:40:53,490 --> 00:40:55,240
which I know a couple of
people who have had that.

733
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:58,040
But when they discovered it was
in my hippocampus, they were like,

734
00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:00,560
if we take out a part of your hippocampus,

735
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,720
there's like a 90% chance you're not
gonna have any short-term memory function.

736
00:41:05,180 --> 00:41:08,000
And I was like, no.
Like I'm not doing that.

737
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,910
Obviously there's lasering
but they didn't have a good

738
00:41:13,340 --> 00:41:16,510
spot and they wanted to do another
S E E G and my doctor was like, no,

739
00:41:16,690 --> 00:41:20,070
no we're not putting her through
this again. We decided on the R N Ss,

740
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:20,990
which I have now,

741
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,270
which is a responsive
neurostimulator and it's basically,

742
00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:27,910
it's like this big that's.

743
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:31,710
What, four inches? Mm three inches? Yeah.
I'm not good with that kind of thing.

744
00:41:31,870 --> 00:41:33,480
I don't know. I have no idea. Size.

745
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,160
Of an okay symbol of your hand.

746
00:41:35,790 --> 00:41:39,040
Yeah, a little bit bigger.
Yeah. So they have to, you know,

747
00:41:39,420 --> 00:41:44,360
on July 6th was my surgery and they have
to cut out a piece of your skull and

748
00:41:44,620 --> 00:41:48,960
put it in there and they drill
in like a couple holes to put

749
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:54,600
two different electrodes in that will
be sending electric signals like shocks

750
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:55,533
and stuff.

751
00:41:55,740 --> 00:41:57,120
Are you awake during this procedure?

752
00:41:57,310 --> 00:42:00,440
Hell no. That is such like a myth.
And people ask me that all the time.

753
00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:03,160
People always think that you're
awake during brain surgery.

754
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:05,640
That's like very rare. Is it the.

755
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,360
Only time it's always on
tv. They're like, all right,

756
00:42:07,460 --> 00:42:09,520
say the alphabet and they're
drilling away on something.

757
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,240
The only time you're like awake during
brain surgery is if they're working on

758
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:17,720
something that is your language
center for this. No, hell no.

759
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:20,520
They knew where it was gonna be put.
Like they weren't taking out anything.

760
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:23,920
So what they just put it, lay
it down on top of the brain.

761
00:42:23,980 --> 00:42:25,960
Mm-hmm <affirmative> stick
the little stickies in there.

762
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:30,600
Well like they go deep. Those go
deep in. Yeah. It's like wires.

763
00:42:30,940 --> 00:42:32,640
How do you wrap

764
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,920
yourself around the
concept of all of this?

765
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,440
Somebody's rooting around in your cranium,

766
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,600
plucking little wires here and there.

767
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,400
I was so desperate at this point to get

768
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,680
away from anything with the medications
that I was like, I don't even care.

769
00:42:54,830 --> 00:42:58,520
Just do it. And I would do anything
to get these seizures to stop. So,

770
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,840
and I honestly had so many
surgeries at that point. I had,

771
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,800
I've had 13 in the past
couple years that I was used

772
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,600
to it to like a disturbing
degree. Mm-hmm <affirmative>.

773
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,840
Like I would just give my arm
and I was like, yeah, whatever.

774
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,280
And just like put the IV in
and give me propofol. Like,

775
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,880
and the amount of times that I've
had to go through opiate withdrawal,

776
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:22,120
like so bad, so bad because I
had to be on pain meds obviously.

777
00:43:22,820 --> 00:43:24,960
But then I would end up being on Dilaudid,

778
00:43:24,970 --> 00:43:29,200
which is very strong for
like three weeks. And the.

779
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,033
Drug of poets.

780
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,680
<Laugh>. Yeah. That, that drug
is crazy. Yeah. I don't know.

781
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,320
I think that I just kind of had
to pretend it wasn't happening.

782
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,440
I just had to kind of be in, I don't know.

783
00:43:40,580 --> 00:43:45,360
The only way is kind of just to be like,
okay, this is happening. I'm doing it.

784
00:43:45,630 --> 00:43:45,990
Like.

785
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:50,640
This device in your brain anticipates
when your brain's gonna have a seizure.

786
00:43:50,740 --> 00:43:51,760
How does it work? So.

787
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:55,800
It sends like, um, an electric
shock. It's basically,

788
00:43:55,870 --> 00:43:58,800
it's a neuromodulation device.
It's trying to retrain the brain.

789
00:43:59,380 --> 00:44:03,800
So anytime it's seeing like a spike
in my brainwaves, in my hippocampus,

790
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,360
it's like sending a shock. It's
like, hey, stop. Don't do that. Is.

791
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,600
It? This is gonna be a dumbass
question. Is it battery operated?

792
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:13,400
Yes. I have to get the battery
changed in like four years,

793
00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:17,280
but that's not as big of a deal 'cause
they don't need to like take out my skull

794
00:44:17,490 --> 00:44:18,840
again. How.

795
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:19,680
Do they change the battery?

796
00:44:19,830 --> 00:44:24,040
They just open the skin and put
in a new one. Okay. So that's,

797
00:44:24,070 --> 00:44:25,520
it's not a big deal. So.

798
00:44:25,580 --> 00:44:26,180
Badass.

799
00:44:26,180 --> 00:44:27,880
No <laugh>. It's not like big.

800
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,160
A bionic woman over here.

801
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:34,160
Yeah, no, I, I like am a
cyborg. Which is, which is wild.

802
00:44:34,510 --> 00:44:34,860
Yeah.

803
00:44:34,860 --> 00:44:38,240
And it's on the lowest setting right now
'cause they have to turn it up slowly.

804
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,320
Otherwise the opposite effect
will happen. Which is like,

805
00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:46,760
it can shock you into having a
seizure. It's not a quick fix. It's a,

806
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,720
after one year people usually it's
like an average of 70% decrease

807
00:44:51,740 --> 00:44:55,680
in seizures after two.
It's like 83% after three.

808
00:44:55,830 --> 00:44:59,480
It's like 87%. Like it keeps
getting better and better.

809
00:44:59,740 --> 00:45:03,640
And what I really like about the R
N Ss is it's reversible, you know,

810
00:45:03,690 --> 00:45:07,280
brain surgery where you get a piece taken
out. Like once that's out, that's out.

811
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,480
There's no going back. The R N
Ss has only been around 10 years.

812
00:45:10,750 --> 00:45:13,080
There's like only 10,000
people that have it.

813
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:17,000
And I actually have a matching tattoo
with one of those people whose name is

814
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:21,640
Deandra and she is amazing. She's
the one that has the ocular or it's,

815
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:22,840
it's in her occipital lobe.

816
00:45:22,940 --> 00:45:27,600
We got this 'cause like lightning
for lightning McQueen and like

817
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,440
shocking. And we also can't drive. So we
were like, that's hilarious. You know,

818
00:45:31,630 --> 00:45:34,720
there's still so much research happening,

819
00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:39,840
just like medical research in general
right now is like accelerating

820
00:45:40,460 --> 00:45:41,560
at a very fast pace.

821
00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:46,520
So like we don't know what the
epilepsy treatment is gonna be in

822
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,040
10 years. 'cause 10 years ago
this didn't even exist. Brain.

823
00:45:49,060 --> 00:45:50,280
Is deep space. I,

824
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,760
I look to the brain as a is akin
to deep space in the universe.

825
00:45:54,990 --> 00:45:59,920
Yeah, it's it's very crazy.
I have hope that in like,

826
00:46:00,740 --> 00:46:05,160
you know, 10 years there's gonna be,
that will definitely be different stuff.

827
00:46:05,260 --> 00:46:09,720
And who knows like I, you know,
and right now, like I had,

828
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:14,600
I had two seizures last week. They
weren't gram mal seizures, but you know,

829
00:46:14,660 --> 00:46:16,120
I'm already noticing the benefits.

830
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,680
'cause like in the past after a seizure
I would be really depressed and tired

831
00:46:19,820 --> 00:46:20,840
for like three, four days.

832
00:46:21,340 --> 00:46:25,640
But last week the two seizures I
had the next day I was totally fine.

833
00:46:26,250 --> 00:46:30,760
Which was nice. And I downloaded
it onto a computer every night.

834
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:36,040
I have like a wand and a laptop
and I like download like I put the

835
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,200
wand on my head <laugh> and then I like
send it to them via an ethernet cable

836
00:46:40,860 --> 00:46:44,600
so my doctor can see it is recording 24 7.

837
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:49,360
My doctor can see 24 7 ba
It's basically a 24 7 e e g

838
00:46:49,540 --> 00:46:53,280
in your brain that also
like sends shock signals.

839
00:46:53,420 --> 00:46:54,640
No one can ever kidnap you.

840
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,040
I don't know. You're.

841
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,280
Tracked. You can be tracked.

842
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,640
I don't know if it has
like a location thing. Hmm.

843
00:47:02,780 --> 00:47:06,200
Unless I had the computer.
Maybe, but I don't, I don't,

844
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:09,560
that would be ridiculous if it was like
a chip, like a cat or something. Yeah,

845
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:09,800
when.

846
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,280
It's like a little apple, there's
a little tile is in there. <laugh>.

847
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,760
I don't think they have a
tracker in it that would,

848
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,960
I mean that wouldn't be like a terrible
idea for like family members to have.

849
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:23,280
But no, I think that would be a little
weird. That'd be a little too far. Yeah,

850
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,113
that wouldn't be great.

851
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,200
I mean I let my parents obviously
have my location and whatnot. I mean,

852
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,640
just before I got to la literally less
than 20, less than 48 hours before,

853
00:47:32,780 --> 00:47:36,280
you know, song set jets. Yeah.
I was at the one in New York.

854
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,520
I played it in August. It was great.
And two days before I came here,

855
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,200
I was at the one in New York and
I was watching my friend perform

856
00:47:46,540 --> 00:47:51,240
and next thing I knew there was people
standing over me and an ambulance

857
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:55,480
called and I had had a pretty bad grand
mal seizure and I like smacked my head

858
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,560
on the floor. And now I have a
concussion, which I've never had.

859
00:48:00,060 --> 00:48:02,240
And I, you know, coming
to LA for the month,

860
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,040
I really wanted to do
a lot of songwriting.

861
00:48:04,140 --> 00:48:08,000
But honestly a really big part of the
past of the work I've been doing in

862
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:13,000
therapy this year is radical
acceptance and just like

863
00:48:13,050 --> 00:48:17,120
practicing anything. Like I'm
getting a lot better at it and just,

864
00:48:17,870 --> 00:48:20,520
I've been okay while I've been here this
month because I'm like, you know what,

865
00:48:21,350 --> 00:48:25,600
like I haven't really been able to song
write this month 'cause my brain is just

866
00:48:25,820 --> 00:48:28,880
not really up for it. And
that doesn't mean that like,

867
00:48:29,770 --> 00:48:30,970
I can't song write ever again.

868
00:48:31,110 --> 00:48:35,930
It doesn't mean like if I
move here when I'm 28 or 29,

869
00:48:36,190 --> 00:48:39,610
it doesn't matter. There's no How old are
you now? No, I'm 27. I just turned 27.

870
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,690
There's no time limit.

871
00:48:42,750 --> 00:48:45,410
And it's really, you know,

872
00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:49,570
tomorrow's three months from the brain
surgery. Like it has not been that long.

873
00:48:50,130 --> 00:48:53,770
I definitely have seen
how like pushing myself

874
00:48:55,150 --> 00:48:59,370
is filled with consequences when
I push myself for a couple days.

875
00:48:59,450 --> 00:49:04,290
I feel like really terrible
after. And like Ill, and like,

876
00:49:04,290 --> 00:49:07,690
like literally yesterday I laid in
bed all day and today before you came.

877
00:49:07,890 --> 00:49:09,130
'cause I was like, okay,

878
00:49:09,130 --> 00:49:12,250
I know I'm gonna have this so I need
to like mentally prepare by like doing

879
00:49:12,250 --> 00:49:15,090
literally nothing. Yeah.
I was diagnosed with,

880
00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:19,330
with P T S D like a couple
months ago, which understandably,

881
00:49:19,330 --> 00:49:21,290
which obviously <laugh>. I'd.

882
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:22,370
Be shocked if you didn't have that.

883
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:23,303
No, that'd be weird.

884
00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:25,450
Is it, is it disrespectful to say shocked.

885
00:49:25,930 --> 00:49:30,370
<Laugh>? No. <laugh>. I didn't, no, I
love that. I love a good pun <laugh>. Um,

886
00:49:31,110 --> 00:49:35,970
but yeah, I, I had, I remember I'd
said to my surgeon, I was like,

887
00:49:36,090 --> 00:49:40,450
I feel like I have, I'm gonna like have
like I have P T S D and he, he said,

888
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:44,970
Lauren, you don't even have P T S D
yet. Like you're still in the T S D.

889
00:49:45,350 --> 00:49:48,570
He was like, you're not in
the post yet. Yeah. Like it's,

890
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:49,970
you're not even there yet. Yeah.

891
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:54,650
And like honestly he was right because
like I was living in survival mode and

892
00:49:54,650 --> 00:49:56,130
then two months ago,

893
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:01,210
kind of once I was out of the
surgery and going up these nightmares

894
00:50:01,210 --> 00:50:03,210
have started that like, you know,

895
00:50:03,210 --> 00:50:07,730
it's the stereotypical P T S D
thing of having like the same two

896
00:50:07,730 --> 00:50:09,170
nightmares like over and over.

897
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,730
It's either I'm like trapped
in a hospital and like locked

898
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:19,170
in a hospital room and like no
one can hear me. Or I'm like,

899
00:50:19,590 --> 00:50:20,450
the other one is like,

900
00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:24,530
I'm being sent to like some sort of rehab
place and everybody thinks I'm crazy

901
00:50:24,670 --> 00:50:27,050
and no one will listen to me
that it's the epilepsy med.

902
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,160
And I had a dream the other night that
I was like locked away in like a jail

903
00:50:30,350 --> 00:50:32,720
kind of thing. And when I
wake up from those dreams,

904
00:50:32,830 --> 00:50:37,120
it's incredibly distressing. It takes
me like an hour to kind of like be like,

905
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,320
okay, that's not real. Like
that's not happening anymore.

906
00:50:39,660 --> 00:50:43,640
And also recently my anxiety
levels have been bananas.

907
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:48,880
It's really annoying. And yeah, I'll be
like to my therapist or psychiatrist,

908
00:50:49,180 --> 00:50:53,160
I'm like, I don't know why I'm so anxious
recently. Like, ugh. And they're like,

909
00:50:53,390 --> 00:50:56,760
what do you mean? It would be weird
if you didn't have anxiety right now.

910
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,120
I would be freaked out if you didn't
have anxiety right now the thing about

911
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,400
epilepsy is just, it is
not predictable. Yeah.

912
00:51:04,580 --> 00:51:07,200
So right now I'm having a lot
of anxiety every day of like,

913
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:11,840
when am I gonna have another
huge seizure? They, my doctor,

914
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:13,520
I spoke to her the other
day and she was like, okay,

915
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,520
it's time to turn up the device because
you're like having a lot of seizures.

916
00:51:17,980 --> 00:51:20,160
So when I go back to New
York, we're gonna turn it up,

917
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,320
which they basically just like put
a wand over it and they're like,

918
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,240
they like click a button
and they're like, okay.

919
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:27,440
Oh that's nice. They don't
have to get in there. Yeah. Oh.

920
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,880
My god. Hell no. No. That'd be fricking
crazy. Like put a zipper up there.

921
00:51:31,070 --> 00:51:34,120
Hell no. No. Um, but.

922
00:51:34,340 --> 00:51:36,720
And your hair's growing back,
although it looks super cute short.

923
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:41,080
Yeah, you know, it's kind
grown on me. Um, you.

924
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,320
Kind of have a Sarah
McLaughlin nineties vibe.

925
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,480
<Laugh>, so I was wearing a wig a lot.

926
00:51:45,820 --> 00:51:49,360
But honestly <laugh> and I'm sure
he'll end up listening to this podcast,

927
00:51:49,580 --> 00:51:50,680
but I've told him this, this,

928
00:51:51,110 --> 00:51:55,760
I've been hanging out with a guy while
I've been here first thing since having

929
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,520
that long relationship and
it's been really good for me.

930
00:51:58,660 --> 00:52:03,120
And honestly he has really helped me
get comfortable with his hair because

931
00:52:03,860 --> 00:52:05,680
one of my biggest
worries with it was like,

932
00:52:05,940 --> 00:52:08,240
no guy is gonna be attracted
to me with this hair.

933
00:52:09,020 --> 00:52:13,480
And on our first date I wore a wig and
then the second time we hung out I was

934
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,360
like, I don't feel like wearing this
like five pound wool hat right now.

935
00:52:16,860 --> 00:52:21,640
And he was like, I don't care. And he
was like, you look beautiful. What?

936
00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:25,800
Someone can be attracted to me and
interested in me like with this hair.

937
00:52:26,380 --> 00:52:30,200
And it, it kind of changed things. I
haven't really put a wig on since hanging.

938
00:52:30,310 --> 00:52:30,600
Good.

939
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:31,440
You look beautiful. Thank.

940
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,120
You. He's not the only one
that thinks that <laugh>,

941
00:52:33,260 --> 00:52:36,200
but I'm a I appreciate the
fact that you said so. Yeah.

942
00:52:36,260 --> 00:52:37,200
It just kind of.

943
00:52:37,780 --> 00:52:39,360
But I get it. I get that it was,

944
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:44,440
it's gotta be bizarre to go from
having your hair to suddenly having no

945
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,200
hair then to have to Oh, very upsetting.

946
00:52:46,340 --> 00:52:48,920
And femininity in this culture
is wrapped. No, that's.

947
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:49,240
Wrapped.

948
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:50,200
Wrapped up in hairs. What I.

949
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,520
With and I, what's,

950
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,880
what's been interesting is I honestly
didn't really use to wear makeup much,

951
00:52:56,020 --> 00:53:00,040
but I've been wearing it every day
because your eyes look great. Thank you.

952
00:53:00,150 --> 00:53:00,560
I've gotten,

953
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,920
I've gotten better at the wing letter
'cause I'm been doing it every day.

954
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,720
Gonna teach me how to do that. Oh
my god, it looks really good. My.

955
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:05,640
God, <laugh>. But, um,

956
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:11,000
I just find that it helps me connect
to my femininity a little bit and helps

957
00:53:11,060 --> 00:53:15,240
me feel better about my day and
stuff. Like when I don't wear makeup,

958
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,560
I feel like I kind of look like
a young boy, which is fine.

959
00:53:20,180 --> 00:53:22,920
My femininity definitely is
something that's important to me,

960
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,680
which there's nothing wrong with that.
I like feeling like a girl. Absolutely.

961
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:30,160
You know, and definitely cutting
the hair, I was like, oh my God,

962
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:34,560
I look like a fricking egg. Yeah.
It's getting to a better length now.

963
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,960
Like it looks, it looks purposeful.
Before it was kind of like,

964
00:53:39,460 --> 00:53:44,200
the scar was like really visible and
like, it was kind of like a patchy,

965
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:45,840
like buzz cut going on.

966
00:53:45,980 --> 00:53:50,840
But I <laugh> I've had multiple people
approaching me. I love your hair.

967
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,680
Hmm. And I'm like, you know, it was not
a choice, but thank you. Anyways. Yeah.

968
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,520
And I, I have a couple friends
including Roger, who are like, no,

969
00:53:58,540 --> 00:54:01,360
you never grow it out. You have
to keep it like this forever.

970
00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:04,920
It's super cute. But upkeep on
short hair. I had hair very,

971
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,640
very short at one time and
really, and I loved it,

972
00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:09,320
but the upkeep is a pain in the ass.

973
00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:11,480
Oh. I feel like this is the
easiest hair I've ever had.

974
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,880
Yeah. I had to cut my hair every
three weeks it felt like. Oh.

975
00:54:13,900 --> 00:54:15,480
To make it stay in shape.

976
00:54:15,690 --> 00:54:20,120
Right. Well that's fair. But
the everyday care is so minor.

977
00:54:20,580 --> 00:54:23,800
Oh, for sure. I just put a little gel
on it and I'm like, okay, <laugh>. Yeah.

978
00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:25,280
I'm, I'm really interested.

979
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,760
I think it'll be fun kind of to see
like the different phases of growth.

980
00:54:30,430 --> 00:54:31,080
Like it'll,

981
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,480
when it gets like more a little bit
moldy and then it'll be kind of like.

982
00:54:34,670 --> 00:54:35,720
Pigtail time, like a.

983
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:40,560
Like a short bob kind of thing. Mm-hmm.
But the other night I performed, um,

984
00:54:40,780 --> 00:54:44,720
at writer's block and I played on a
stage without a wig for the first time,

985
00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:48,560
which was a big step to get
up there with this hair,

986
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,960
which just feels like so vulnerable.

987
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,760
I felt good for some reason
when I'm wearing a wig,

988
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:58,400
I feel like I'm not being genuine, even
though that's not really true. Like,

989
00:54:58,580 --> 00:55:02,080
we don't realize like celebrities are
wearing wigs in like literally everything.

990
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,680
Mm-hmm. <affirmative> true.
Like, we don't know. And it's,

991
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,280
or they either have extensions,
like none of them, it's not,

992
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:10,280
they don't all just have
magically like thick, long hair.

993
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:11,000
Hair. No.

994
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,000
'cause they've been beating their hair
to death for years and so most of them

995
00:55:14,020 --> 00:55:15,440
are probably thinning. Oh.

996
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:20,360
Yeah. Honestly, neither have wigs or
whatever, but yeah, I don't know. But I'm,

997
00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:24,520
you know, I'm finally playing music
again. And let's talk about the.

998
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:25,353
Kickstarter.

999
00:55:25,540 --> 00:55:28,560
Yes. Yeah. You know, I was,

1000
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,200
I like honestly never thought
I would do one and it's for.

1001
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,033
A record.

1002
00:55:33,220 --> 00:55:37,920
Yes. I have a lot of songs that
I've written since, you know,

1003
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,520
2019 that I really love and I've wanted
to put out music for a long time.

1004
00:55:43,540 --> 00:55:46,640
But, you know, I got really,
really sick and it just,

1005
00:55:46,660 --> 00:55:50,000
the time I kept getting more sick and
more sick and it was just not happening.

1006
00:55:50,140 --> 00:55:54,120
And like before brain surgery, I
was just like, after this, like,

1007
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,840
I am recording an album. Like I
want to put these songs out there.

1008
00:55:58,020 --> 00:56:01,520
I'm not letting this
destroy my life anymore.

1009
00:56:01,660 --> 00:56:04,240
I'm not letting this
disability stop me from like,

1010
00:56:06,130 --> 00:56:10,360
continuing with my passion and the
thing that I love. And I, yeah.

1011
00:56:10,420 --> 00:56:14,720
So I felt kind of weird about doing it
and I still feel a little weird. It's,

1012
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,680
it's a little un it's so uncomfortable
asking people for money. You know,

1013
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,640
I haven't been able to work for years,
so I haven't been able to save up.

1014
00:56:21,860 --> 00:56:25,840
And I was like, you know what?
I have been through enough.

1015
00:56:26,310 --> 00:56:30,640
This is okay, I can do this.
And I posted on my birthday,

1016
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,960
which was October 1st, and
the first day was insane.

1017
00:56:35,140 --> 00:56:37,720
It got up to like 8,000 out of 20,000,

1018
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:42,040
which was the <laugh> the
best birthday gift ever.

1019
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:46,560
And made me feel really
supported and like,

1020
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:51,360
people are excited to hear my music
and I'm so excited to share it.

1021
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,320
I already kind of have the producers
that I'm gonna be working with,

1022
00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:57,680
and one of them is in Nashville
and one of them is in New York.

1023
00:56:57,780 --> 00:57:02,320
And who do you have in Nashville? Um,
her name's Elise Hugo. She's great.

1024
00:57:02,490 --> 00:57:06,320
She's really great. And this
guy Colin Rowe in Brooklyn, who,

1025
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,600
he actually just moved from Nashville.

1026
00:57:09,020 --> 00:57:13,120
The person that is going to master it
has done like little big town stuff like

1027
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,440
that. So it, it's, I'm really excited.

1028
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:17,240
Well tell people how they find you.

1029
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,320
I guess maybe the best place right now
is Instagram, which is just my name, uh,

1030
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,680
Lauren Reiner, r e i n e r.

1031
00:57:25,070 --> 00:57:27,920
They can reach me on
email <laugh> at lauren

1032
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,800
reiner@gmail.com. And yeah, I mean,

1033
00:57:32,860 --> 00:57:36,880
I'm on the, you know, normal socials
like TikTok, Facebook, blah, blah, blah.

1034
00:57:37,180 --> 00:57:41,200
But I would say that I do the most
posting on, on Instagram. And.

1035
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,320
Your Kickstarter is accessible through.

1036
00:57:44,740 --> 00:57:46,840
Yes, it is in the link in my bio.

1037
00:57:47,090 --> 00:57:47,790
Great.

1038
00:57:47,790 --> 00:57:48,460
Yeah.

1039
00:57:48,460 --> 00:57:49,320
Lauren, thank you.

1040
00:57:49,770 --> 00:57:52,400
Thank you for having me. <laugh>, you're.

1041
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:53,233
A trooper.

1042
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,400
<Laugh>, thank you. I, I'm trying.

1043
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,320
A lot of people wouldn't
have survived all of that.

1044
00:57:59,870 --> 00:58:00,703
Yeah.

1045
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:01,840
I.

1046
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,760
I didn't think I would. I, you know.

1047
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:09,280
Yeah. I just, I hope that you leave
room to, to realize that about yourself.

1048
00:58:09,710 --> 00:58:10,680
Yeah. I,

1049
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:15,720
I've been working on it and it's
definitely been like the self appreciation

1050
00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:20,240
and respect has kind of gotten better as
I've gotten a little bit further away.

1051
00:58:20,340 --> 00:58:23,960
I'm like, oh shit, actually, I'm like
really strong for getting through this.

1052
00:58:24,110 --> 00:58:27,760
This is kind of insane. Yeah.
Um, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

1053
00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:30,440
I'm sure your family is thrilled.
I'm glad you're still here.

1054
00:58:30,550 --> 00:58:32,600
Yeah, no, of course. Mm-hmm.

1055
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,040
<Affirmative>, welcome to your new life.

1056
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,680
<Laugh>. Thank you.
Thank you for having me.

1057
00:58:36,730 --> 00:58:39,760
Maybe get yourself a cute helmet
so you don't get a concussion.

1058
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,120
Oh yeah. I've honestly thought about that,

1059
00:58:41,220 --> 00:58:43,400
but I don't wanna walk
around wearing a helmet.

1060
00:58:44,350 --> 00:58:47,320
Yeah. Maybe like a little plate
inside the wig or something.

1061
00:58:47,380 --> 00:58:49,680
No, I was, I think there
are beanies that have like

1062
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:56,070
a helmet kind of insert, but I don't
wanna be living in fear. I don't know. Oh.

1063
00:58:56,110 --> 00:59:00,270
I get that. You know, what about a
service dog that is trained to smell your,

1064
00:59:00,460 --> 00:59:02,590
your chemistry changing before a seizure?

1065
00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:06,070
I've watched so many tos
about those dogs. Yeah.

1066
00:59:06,140 --> 00:59:10,710
They're amazing. But I, it
is a huge responsibility,

1067
00:59:11,260 --> 00:59:15,470
like huge to have a dog,
obviously. And I'm not sure that I.

1068
00:59:16,090 --> 00:59:17,430
But they're supposed to
be taking care of you.

1069
00:59:18,030 --> 00:59:20,670
I know, but you also have to
take care of them. Of course.

1070
00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:25,280
Like going on like multiple walks a day
and paying for food and like, you know,

1071
00:59:25,340 --> 00:59:29,530
I'm just like, I don't
know if I, if if like,

1072
00:59:29,530 --> 00:59:34,210
if a dog genuinely could
sniff like five minutes

1073
00:59:34,210 --> 00:59:36,890
before I was having a seizure, that
would be incredible. That's what they do.

1074
00:59:37,090 --> 00:59:41,970
I don't know. I'll ask my doctor
about it. I'll send you some tos.

1075
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,970
Yeah, definitely send me some tos. I would
love, I would love to see them. Yeah.

1076
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,410
Yeah. All right, love. Thank you.

1077
00:59:47,770 --> 00:59:50,290
<Laugh>. And thank you for
listening everybody. Bye.

1078
00:59:51,110 --> 00:59:51,943
Bye. <laugh>.

1079
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,370
Rate review and subscribe to Hey,

1080
00:59:57,370 --> 01:00:02,250
human podcast on iTunes or wherever
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