1 00:00:08,020 --> 00:00:10,840 Hey, humans. How's it going? Susan Ruth here. 2 00:00:10,860 --> 00:00:14,400 Thanks for listening to another episode of Hey Human Podcast. 3 00:00:15,910 --> 00:00:18,560 This is episode 377, 4 00:00:19,340 --> 00:00:21,800 and I had a conversation with Colonel Rich Knisely. 5 00:00:22,190 --> 00:00:25,960 Colonel Knisely is in the United States Space Force. 6 00:00:26,340 --> 00:00:30,840 He serves as the senior material leader for the commercial space office within 7 00:00:31,210 --> 00:00:35,560 Space Systems Command, one of three Space Force field commands. 8 00:00:36,150 --> 00:00:40,560 That is a mouthful. I know we chatted about what his role is within Space Force, 9 00:00:40,790 --> 00:00:44,640 what Space Force is, and I asked him all about what's going on up there. 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,720 I was super curious about a bazillion things. I could've asked him, uh, 11 00:00:49,940 --> 00:00:52,920 all day questions, but he was super generous with his time, 12 00:00:53,300 --> 00:00:56,320 and I think you're gonna really enjoy this. I don't know about you, 13 00:00:56,380 --> 00:00:59,640 but I certainly did not know very much about Space Force, 14 00:01:00,180 --> 00:01:03,560 and so this was really helpful. Check out, hey, 15 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,000 human podcast.com for links. 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Be well, be kind, be love, 28 00:01:49,310 --> 00:01:52,800 live long and prosper. All right, here we go. 29 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,250 Colonel Ley, welcome to Hey, human. 30 00:01:58,420 --> 00:02:01,610 Thank you for having me, Susan. It's great to actually see you again. 31 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,090 Yeah, I'm really excited. We met on a random, 32 00:02:05,510 --> 00:02:08,570 on an airplane you were staying across from me in uniform, 33 00:02:09,270 --> 00:02:13,250 and I looked over and I thought, I think that's, I think that's Air Force, 34 00:02:13,390 --> 00:02:14,110 but I'm not sure. 35 00:02:14,110 --> 00:02:18,490 And then I looked at the patch on your Insignia and I thought that's is that, 36 00:02:19,030 --> 00:02:22,410 oh my God, space Force. What? I was so excited. 37 00:02:22,670 --> 00:02:26,970 So I really appreciate that you were so kind, uh, and talk to me and talk and, 38 00:02:27,110 --> 00:02:29,810 you know, told me how to get ahold of you for an interview. 39 00:02:30,830 --> 00:02:33,450 No, I was glad it, uh, worked out and, uh, you know, 40 00:02:33,490 --> 00:02:37,450 I it's actually really cool to, uh, see your genuine interest in it. 41 00:02:37,510 --> 00:02:39,890 And it looked like you had a thousand questions. 42 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,170 Just one of those awesome opportunities, uh, that, you know, 43 00:02:43,210 --> 00:02:44,610 a Space Force Guardian can, uh, 44 00:02:44,610 --> 00:02:49,050 reach out and just answer any questions you have. And, uh, anything about the, 45 00:02:49,070 --> 00:02:53,130 uh, the Space Force or, uh, what we're doing in general, it's, uh, something, 46 00:02:53,130 --> 00:02:56,250 uh, really cool and, uh, important that the public needs to know. 47 00:02:57,090 --> 00:02:59,960 Absolutely. Well, let's start a little bit with you personally. 48 00:03:00,370 --> 00:03:02,000 Where are you from? Where did you grow up? 49 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,600 What got you interested in the military? 50 00:03:04,340 --> 00:03:09,120 Ooh, man. All right. So, uh, I'm, uh, what you call a, 51 00:03:09,180 --> 00:03:13,360 uh, military brat. So, uh, my father is a, uh, 52 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,360 retired colonel in the, uh, air Force. Wow. 53 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,080 I have not known anything but the military in my entire life. So I was, uh, 54 00:03:21,630 --> 00:03:24,880 born into the military and, uh, we, uh, 55 00:03:25,660 --> 00:03:26,640 we made 56 00:03:26,900 --> 00:03:31,480 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 moves, 57 00:03:31,700 --> 00:03:34,600 uh, as a kid. And, uh, you know, 58 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,800 I just saw how the military was taking care of my father and, uh, you know, 59 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,520 all the cool experiences that he had leading people and how they really, 60 00:03:43,620 --> 00:03:48,200 uh, responded to him as a leader. My, my father was one of those, uh, 61 00:03:48,220 --> 00:03:51,440 people leaders, and one of the things he always taught me was, 62 00:03:51,460 --> 00:03:54,440 if your people are happy, the the work will get done. 63 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:59,160 I saw how they responded to him, and even when I was in high school, I did, uh, 64 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,160 what they call junior R o t c, 65 00:04:01,170 --> 00:04:04,800 which is taking military classes as a high school kid. 66 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,880 So you learn how to use the uniform, uh, wear the uniform and, uh, 67 00:04:08,940 --> 00:04:13,320 do drill and ceremonies and learn customs and courtesies 68 00:04:13,790 --> 00:04:17,920 just kind of decided, you know, I, this is something I'm really interested in. 69 00:04:18,350 --> 00:04:22,760 Went to college out at, uh, Colorado State and, uh, took R O T C there, 70 00:04:23,620 --> 00:04:27,280 and I, uh, commissioned into the Air Force in, uh, 2000. 71 00:04:27,470 --> 00:04:31,840 It's kind of funny to say that I spent 21 years in the Air Force, 72 00:04:32,020 --> 00:04:34,040 and then I moved over to the Space Force, 73 00:04:34,180 --> 00:04:36,160 and I've been here for about two years now. 74 00:04:36,990 --> 00:04:39,840 That must have been quite a thing to wrap your head around, 75 00:04:39,940 --> 00:04:43,760 did you grow up being interested in space, space exploration, 76 00:04:44,100 --> 00:04:47,800 or even just the perimeter of the Earth and what's going on there? 77 00:04:48,460 --> 00:04:53,080 So, my father was a space operator, so he, uh, was one of those, 78 00:04:53,380 --> 00:04:56,840 one of those men and women that controlled the satellites from the ground. 79 00:04:57,380 --> 00:05:01,320 He also commanded, uh, one of our, uh, sites out in Hawaii. 80 00:05:01,940 --> 00:05:06,400 And so I've, I've been, I've actually grown up around space as I was growing up. 81 00:05:06,790 --> 00:05:11,600 It's actually kind of just really cool how I came into the military as a, 82 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:16,560 uh, space acquisition, uh, professional, which is a program manager. 83 00:05:17,060 --> 00:05:19,320 The first program I worked on was a, uh, 84 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:24,000 survivor radio that communicated with satellites as well as, you know, 85 00:05:24,010 --> 00:05:28,600 point to point between, uh, the radio and, uh, the rescue helicopter. 86 00:05:28,940 --> 00:05:33,360 So, most of my career has been in space as a, uh, acquisition person, 87 00:05:33,780 --> 00:05:38,360 and I've done time working with Congress as a legislative liaison. 88 00:05:38,630 --> 00:05:42,600 I've had the, uh, fortune of commanding twice and deploying, 89 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:47,840 and it's just what I've grown up in. So when the Space Force came into, uh, 90 00:05:48,020 --> 00:05:52,640 our world in, uh, 2019 just was a natural fit for me to, uh, 91 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,840 raise my hand and, uh, come over as a, uh, space Force guardian. 92 00:05:57,140 --> 00:06:00,880 Is that mostly where they got people? Was Air Force into Space Force? 93 00:06:02,140 --> 00:06:06,160 The original group, yes. We're, uh, mostly Air Force folks, 94 00:06:06,340 --> 00:06:09,840 but what we've been doing now is having a number of, uh, 95 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:14,800 what we're calling inner service transfers. So people from the Army, the Navy, 96 00:06:15,220 --> 00:06:19,840 the Marines who were doing space jobs within their 97 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:20,913 respective services, 98 00:06:21,460 --> 00:06:24,720 or there were some that just really wanted to become a part of the space 99 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,560 mission, uh, raised their hand and cross commissioned into the, uh, 100 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,120 space Force. So we've been doing that for, uh, the past couple of years now, 101 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,320 having a good amount of, of those inner service transfers. 102 00:06:37,460 --> 00:06:41,560 And it's been really cool to have them over because you're getting a new, 103 00:06:41,820 --> 00:06:44,320 you're getting new ideas of how to do things. 104 00:06:44,670 --> 00:06:49,560 It's also really kind of reinvigorating the culture and, you know, it's a, 105 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:50,680 it's just really exciting. 106 00:06:51,950 --> 00:06:54,640 When you speak of acquisitions, 107 00:06:55,500 --> 00:07:00,480 do you mean the real estate of space in that, the place you put a satellite? 108 00:07:01,780 --> 00:07:06,280 No, uh, when I talk about space acquisitions and, uh, it's actually the, uh, 109 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:09,280 primary, uh, mission of Space Systems Command, 110 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:14,080 which is the larger organization that I'm a part of, our mission is to, 111 00:07:14,180 --> 00:07:17,880 uh, develop field launch and, um, 112 00:07:18,310 --> 00:07:21,400 sustain space capabilities and, uh, 113 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,880 provide those capabilities out to our respective war fighters down range. 114 00:07:26,420 --> 00:07:30,000 And I'm sure we'll talk a little bit later on about just the importance of 115 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,680 space, but that's really what I do as an acquisition officer, 116 00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:38,360 is to manage the budget that, you know, the taxpayers trust us with, 117 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,560 because it's a taxpayer money. But what we're doing is, uh, 118 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,480 managing programs and providing capability out to the war fighter. 119 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:51,240 So when I'm talking about acquisitions, it could be developing a satellite, 120 00:07:51,780 --> 00:07:55,800 it could be, uh, developing a user equipment that, uh, 121 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,760 utilizes space capabilities. It could also be, uh, developing the ground, uh, 122 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,880 architecture, you know, those, uh, command and control, uh, 123 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,040 elements that control all the satellites and stuff. 124 00:08:07,140 --> 00:08:10,440 So the whole space architecture has many different facets, 125 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,560 but that's really what I'm trying to do as an acquisition officer. 126 00:08:14,460 --> 00:08:19,400 I'm curious to know what space means to you, because, uh, 127 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,560 I think about what we know of space, 128 00:08:22,150 --> 00:08:24,600 what we know of what's just beyond earth, 129 00:08:25,260 --> 00:08:29,600 what's then the next step as you move out? Also, 130 00:08:29,670 --> 00:08:33,160 what about quantum physics and what space means for quantum physics? 131 00:08:33,340 --> 00:08:38,240 So how do y'all wrap your, your duties around that? 132 00:08:39,420 --> 00:08:44,040 So you bring up . The whole space environment is just, 133 00:08:44,260 --> 00:08:46,400 uh, very multifaceted right now, 134 00:08:46,500 --> 00:08:51,000 but one of the reasons that we actually stood up the Space Force was just to 135 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,520 really, uh, raise the importance of space. Uh, I think, uh, 136 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,720 a lot of people don't realize how integrated we are in our 137 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,640 daily lives in with, with space capabilities. I mean, you, you, uh, I, 138 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,120 I would imagine you have an iPhone, an Android, you know, something like that. 139 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,000 It's conversation . Exactly. So, you know, 140 00:09:13,060 --> 00:09:15,200 you turn on your phone, you, you, 141 00:09:15,420 --> 00:09:18,280 and you turn on your Google Maps or Apple Maps, 142 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:21,560 and that's powered by the G P SS constellation. 143 00:09:21,740 --> 00:09:26,440 And that is one of our most prized, uh, constellations that is, you know, 144 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,160 more or less powered by the Space Force. So, you know, 145 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,280 we've been operating that constellation successfully for a number of years, 146 00:09:33,620 --> 00:09:37,840 but it's also communications, it's weather, it's, you know, 147 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,240 missile warning and missile track. You know, when, 148 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:45,240 when you hear about China launching a hypersonic glide missiles, it's, 149 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:50,040 it's our capabilities that are tracking these and ensuring that it 150 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,520 does not harm any people or any of our allies. 151 00:09:54,980 --> 00:09:57,320 So, uh, when we stood up the Space Force, 152 00:09:57,660 --> 00:10:01,760 we pretty much were declaring that, Hey, you know, this, 153 00:10:02,230 --> 00:10:06,560 this is a very prized domain. It's also a very contested domain. 154 00:10:06,590 --> 00:10:11,080 There's a lot of activity out there, but if you think about space, 155 00:10:11,390 --> 00:10:14,880 it's very unique in that there are no dividing lines. It, 156 00:10:14,980 --> 00:10:19,560 it is government, industry, academia, allies. 157 00:10:19,810 --> 00:10:24,560 We're all operating in the same environment together. So it's, 158 00:10:24,670 --> 00:10:26,600 it's very important that we, uh, you know, 159 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,600 preserve that freedom of movement within space, 160 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:34,600 because all walks of life are very dependent on this domain right now. 161 00:10:35,470 --> 00:10:38,880 I've seen the map of stuff floating around out there, 162 00:10:39,180 --> 00:10:42,760 and it seems pretty crowded. 163 00:10:43,860 --> 00:10:48,720 Yes, it is, uh, getting more crowded. I'm sure you could even go on, uh, 164 00:10:48,860 --> 00:10:53,240 the internet to see just how many launches each, 165 00:10:53,510 --> 00:10:55,880 many different countries are doing right now. 166 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,440 I think each year I hear from our launch professionals, you know, 167 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,840 both on the eastern and western range, 168 00:11:03,390 --> 00:11:07,240 that they've now broken a new annual record for launches, 169 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,600 because our launch ranges we're not just, uh, 170 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:14,720 launching just national security space emissions. 171 00:11:15,500 --> 00:11:18,720 SpaceX is launching all their commercial emissions, 172 00:11:18,860 --> 00:11:21,040 for the most part on the eastern and western range. 173 00:11:21,420 --> 00:11:26,280 You've seen a huge number of, uh, small launch companies come into play. 174 00:11:26,950 --> 00:11:31,560 It's just amazing how people are really utilizing 175 00:11:31,730 --> 00:11:36,280 space to, you know, create new capabilities, new technologies. 176 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:41,440 The work that NASA's doing right now with the James Webb Telescope, you know, 177 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,040 taking pictures just of, uh, just, uh, 178 00:11:45,140 --> 00:11:49,400 the farthest reaches of Earth and seeing the potentials of, uh, 179 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:54,040 like new life and new, uh, new, new planets to live on. It's, it, 180 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:56,800 it's, it's just incredible to talk about right now. 181 00:11:57,100 --> 00:12:01,080 And what about the space between the space? What about the quantum level? 182 00:12:01,780 --> 00:12:05,240 You're probably asking the wrong person on that. I am, uh, 183 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,400 I will be the first to admit that I am a, uh, program manager by heart. 184 00:12:09,540 --> 00:12:14,080 And I have a number of really smart people that worked for me who could probably 185 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:18,880 talk more at that molecular level and everything. But one thing I will say, 186 00:12:19,340 --> 00:12:23,120 for a while, we were just, uh, kind of operating on like the, uh, 187 00:12:23,430 --> 00:12:26,040 what we call the geo or, uh, the geo orbit, 188 00:12:26,300 --> 00:12:30,360 but now we're looking at cis lunar, and we're looking at, you know, 189 00:12:30,790 --> 00:12:35,640 ways that we can utilize that further orbit. And it's, it, 190 00:12:36,500 --> 00:12:40,960 it just goes out further than that. So as we're developing new launch vehicles, 191 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,680 a able to get out to those further reaches and, you know, 192 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:48,360 start putting satellites and sensors and, you know, 193 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,680 just really understanding what's going on out there. 194 00:12:51,630 --> 00:12:53,120 Well, you mentioned SpaceX. 195 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,560 I know that they are seeking to have a moon base, 196 00:12:58,460 --> 00:13:03,440 and there's all sorts of reasons why that might be a potential interesting 197 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:04,840 situation. I, 198 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,920 I imagine that at some point we will have jumped the shark 199 00:13:10,140 --> 00:13:15,120 of capabilities of getting minerals and precious metals from 200 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:15,953 this planet. 201 00:13:16,180 --> 00:13:20,640 And obviously there's a whole lot out there on the moon on Mars, 202 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,960 potentially all these things. Is that part of, also, 203 00:13:23,110 --> 00:13:26,000 when you talk about acquisition, is that also part of it, 204 00:13:26,060 --> 00:13:30,960 or is it really more about defense for space force and keeping 205 00:13:31,020 --> 00:13:35,920 an eye on privatized space that they don't overstep or even 206 00:13:36,060 --> 00:13:38,120 get in their own melees while out there? 207 00:13:38,180 --> 00:13:41,400 If China wants to throw something out on the moon to harvest, 208 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:45,720 I'm just using the moon as an example, you know mm-hmm. , but then, 209 00:13:45,790 --> 00:13:48,000 then how do, how do y'all step in for that? 210 00:13:49,230 --> 00:13:53,960 Well, exactly. So, you know, uh, well, there's a couple things there. So, one, 211 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:59,000 our primary mission right now is, you know, national defense and, uh, 212 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,360 defense of our allies providing space capability, you know, 213 00:14:03,460 --> 00:14:06,520 for our nation's war fighter. That being said, 214 00:14:06,860 --> 00:14:10,650 we have incredible partnerships with nasa, 215 00:14:10,950 --> 00:14:15,170 and we're working together on many different, many different, uh, projects. 216 00:14:15,610 --> 00:14:18,650 I actually stood up in office on, uh, 217 00:14:18,670 --> 00:14:23,370 how do we best utilize the, the space that you have in a, 218 00:14:23,510 --> 00:14:26,090 in a rocket fairing, you know, the big cone. 219 00:14:26,510 --> 00:14:29,930 We were many times just launching single satellites, 220 00:14:29,950 --> 00:14:33,650 and there was so much more space that we could have just packed more, uh, 221 00:14:33,650 --> 00:14:34,930 capability into. 222 00:14:35,510 --> 00:14:40,370 So I stood up an office that reached out to all those different other 223 00:14:40,930 --> 00:14:43,810 agencies that had capability on the ground and said, Hey, 224 00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:47,850 if you're gonna be ready on this at this time, almost like a bus rider, 225 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,610 I've got a ride for you. And, uh, 226 00:14:50,750 --> 00:14:54,560 one of my first launches was actually launching a, uh, 227 00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:58,440 payload working with a, a NASA organization, 228 00:14:59,140 --> 00:15:01,520 and I was actually fortunate to, uh, 229 00:15:01,860 --> 00:15:05,720 do one of the first military integrations onto a NASA launch too. 230 00:15:06,020 --> 00:15:10,880 So it's just really refreshing to see the, the partnership, uh, 231 00:15:11,270 --> 00:15:15,480 between both defense as well as, uh, science and technology. 232 00:15:15,860 --> 00:15:19,400 So we're working together on those different aspects. Now, 233 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,120 when you're talking about exploration of the moon and everything, 234 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,240 that's very much a NASA mission, 235 00:15:24,500 --> 00:15:29,440 but we are working together to ensure that near pure adversaries, 236 00:15:29,510 --> 00:15:34,360 such as a China or a Russia, does not get that advantage, 237 00:15:34,980 --> 00:15:39,080 if you will, to take over a moon or, or something to. Well. 238 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,000 What about a privatize though, for an Elon Musk who wants to put a base there? 239 00:15:43,060 --> 00:15:46,720 And I mean, just to your point, before I get to that question, though, 240 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,600 I just have to make the, 241 00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:53,240 I'd love that NASA teaches everyone how to pack for space 242 00:15:54,950 --> 00:15:56,760 that they are, there's have you've ever seen, 243 00:15:56,980 --> 00:16:00,560 I'm sure what goes on a Mars rover , that's amazing. 244 00:16:00,860 --> 00:16:04,680 All the things that are on the rover in such a small amount of space mm-hmm. 245 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:05,290 . 246 00:16:05,290 --> 00:16:05,640 Space. 247 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,000 Yeah. Engineers. 248 00:16:07,070 --> 00:16:10,240 Yeah. That's why things, uh, take a long time to get up there. 249 00:16:10,350 --> 00:16:14,240 They are doing painstaking detail because what, 250 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:19,200 what a lot of people don't understand is the atmosphere of space and the physics 251 00:16:19,460 --> 00:16:22,560 and everything that goes on. Even just launching something. 252 00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:27,480 And when you're thinking about shock and vibe and some of the hottest 253 00:16:27,540 --> 00:16:32,280 and coldest temperatures that you can go through, there's a lot of, uh, 254 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:37,120 what we kind of call mission assurance that goes into play to ensure that that 255 00:16:37,190 --> 00:16:41,800 payload will actually make it to the right orbit, and then at that same time, 256 00:16:42,220 --> 00:16:44,800 do the job that it's supposed to do. You know, 257 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,840 a lot of people in the space world, you know, say that space is hard and, 258 00:16:48,900 --> 00:16:50,760 you know, but it, you know, there's, 259 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,960 there's just so many different variables to it. 260 00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:54,800 Back to what you said earlier, 261 00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:59,120 that so much of our life is reliant on these satellites doing their jobs, 262 00:16:59,380 --> 00:17:02,080 and somebody has to put them up there. The technology, 263 00:17:03,660 --> 00:17:06,680 not even just our safety, which is obviously a concern, 264 00:17:06,780 --> 00:17:11,680 but then there's counter-terrorism for computers and the 265 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,760 things that we, that we know about that operate our daily life, 266 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,920 but we don't think about at all. Uh, 267 00:17:19,860 --> 00:17:24,800 how do you convince a populace who some don't even believe we went to the 268 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:25,633 moon. 269 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:27,240 , how do. 270 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:27,500 You, 271 00:17:27,500 --> 00:17:32,360 so how do you explain to people who really don't understand 272 00:17:33,490 --> 00:17:38,440 space in general, don't understand why we would need those technologies there, 273 00:17:39,140 --> 00:17:44,080 why we would spend these humongous budgets to do the things 274 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,200 that are being done? How do you, 275 00:17:47,210 --> 00:17:49,960 aside from talking to people like me who try and get the word out, 276 00:17:49,980 --> 00:17:53,320 but how do you let people understand or, 277 00:17:53,340 --> 00:17:56,640 or lead people down that path of understanding? Yeah. 278 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,960 I think you actually just kind of hit the nail on the head. Is it, 279 00:18:00,110 --> 00:18:04,960 it's on us to have more interaction with the general public and 280 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,840 everything. So, you know, 281 00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:10,600 part of one of the hurdles that we had to get over with, you know, 282 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,440 the Space Force was, you know, obviously showing that this is a, 283 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:20,120 a no kidding, a, a vital mission to our, 284 00:18:20,260 --> 00:18:24,880 our way of life. But also, you know, when the Netflix series came out, 285 00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:30,000 obviously we had to like, you know, clear that hurdle to show like, 286 00:18:30,060 --> 00:18:30,893 no, this is, 287 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,840 I cannot explain a service that is operating 288 00:18:36,250 --> 00:18:40,720 daily as much as the space force. Our satellites don't stop. 289 00:18:41,180 --> 00:18:45,600 Our technology doesn't stop. I mean, you know, with the Air Force, you know, 290 00:18:45,900 --> 00:18:48,960 planes, pilots, they take breaks and everything, 291 00:18:49,220 --> 00:18:51,240 and they're doing great missions and stuff, 292 00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:54,560 but our operators are there 24 7. 293 00:18:54,930 --> 00:18:57,560 Those satellites are running 24 7. 294 00:18:58,060 --> 00:19:02,920 The ground systems are running 24 7. And the, the, the, 295 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:06,840 uh, missions that our other operators, whether it be the Air Force, 296 00:19:06,990 --> 00:19:08,000 army and Navy, 297 00:19:08,590 --> 00:19:13,280 they are relying on these capabilities to be there at any given point. 298 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,400 I mean, think about a naval ship at sea, 299 00:19:16,670 --> 00:19:19,560 obviously that sun goes down and you know, 300 00:19:19,670 --> 00:19:21,840 that g p s that it has, 301 00:19:22,460 --> 00:19:27,200 that's how it's getting from point A to point B and ensuring that it's not gonna 302 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:29,840 hit something in the water in the darkness. 303 00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:34,840 Also be able to communicate between boats, between land, 304 00:19:35,150 --> 00:19:39,440 that that is all done through space. And, you know, 305 00:19:39,550 --> 00:19:41,840 it's just really exciting to talk about. 306 00:19:41,980 --> 00:19:46,160 But I think the Space Force is doing a great job about, you know, 307 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:50,720 getting out there. Also just outreach with young people, 308 00:19:51,030 --> 00:19:55,320 just like getting involved in the schools STEM programs. 309 00:19:55,790 --> 00:19:58,000 It's really starting to invigorate, you know, 310 00:19:58,550 --> 00:20:02,280 getting people really excited about math, about science, 311 00:20:02,450 --> 00:20:06,680 about engineering, uh, when you start talking about these missions, 312 00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:10,280 and I don't, I don't wanna sound like Whitney Houston and say that, you know, 313 00:20:10,300 --> 00:20:13,400 the children are our future or anything like that, but, you know, 314 00:20:13,610 --> 00:20:17,720 these are the folks that are gonna take us to the next level. For sure. 315 00:20:18,140 --> 00:20:20,520 In my office, in the commercial space office, 316 00:20:21,340 --> 00:20:24,760 we have increased our industry days by, you know, 317 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,880 I would say well over 200%. And that's just talking to industry. 318 00:20:29,380 --> 00:20:31,560 But one of the other things that I do is I, 319 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,440 I go to a number of different speaking engagements out in the, uh, community, 320 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:41,200 whether it be folks like yourself, members of industry, academia, 321 00:20:41,710 --> 00:20:44,960 members of Congress, because they need to understand it. 322 00:20:44,980 --> 00:20:49,360 We need to advocate for that money and help them understand that 323 00:20:49,790 --> 00:20:54,160 that money is going towards vital interests for us. 324 00:20:54,380 --> 00:20:57,920 So I think, you know, kind of a long-winded answer is, 325 00:20:58,020 --> 00:21:01,360 is to get out there into the community, talk to folks, 326 00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:07,080 and show them the mission, and kind of explain to 'em how, 327 00:21:07,540 --> 00:21:10,480 how integrated space really is in everything that we do. 328 00:21:11,700 --> 00:21:16,480 How much of what you do, and by you, I mean the royal you of, 329 00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:21,400 of Space Force mm-hmm. is safety protocol, 330 00:21:21,540 --> 00:21:25,000 is protecting the populace versus 331 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,120 potentiality, meaning the real, 332 00:21:29,870 --> 00:21:33,320 real problem versus potential threat problem. 333 00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:39,120 As a service. We're always looking ahead. One of the great things that, uh, 334 00:21:39,380 --> 00:21:44,320 our secretary of the Air Force and even our chief of Space operations has 335 00:21:44,350 --> 00:21:47,360 kind of put on us is, is that we have to innovate, 336 00:21:47,550 --> 00:21:52,480 kind of giving you a history lesson. I mean, obviously the us you know, 337 00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:55,880 we used to be the only people in space for the big majority. 338 00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:59,960 Obviously you had the race to space, uh, between the US and Russia, 339 00:22:00,620 --> 00:22:04,240 the majority of the space assets were US assets. 340 00:22:04,460 --> 00:22:09,080 But now we do have near peer adversaries, such as China and Russia, 341 00:22:09,660 --> 00:22:12,120 who have, you know, increased their capabilities, 342 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:14,840 making us needing to go faster, 343 00:22:15,130 --> 00:22:19,160 which we need to be smarter with how we buy things, uh, 344 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,960 with how fast we can get stuff out to the, uh, war fighter, 345 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,360 meaning not build everything in house through the space force, 346 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:29,560 but go out into the commercial industry, 347 00:22:30,020 --> 00:22:33,640 seeing how we can take their capabilities and not buy, 348 00:22:33,740 --> 00:22:37,800 and when I say take, not take, but, you know, 349 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:41,560 buy their services and integrate them into our, uh, 350 00:22:41,790 --> 00:22:44,560 into our space enterprise. At that same time, 351 00:22:44,860 --> 00:22:48,960 our allies are doing amazing things in space too, and it's, uh, 352 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,800 helping us work better together, 353 00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:54,880 knowing that each of our assets will be there for each other. 354 00:22:55,260 --> 00:22:59,080 So it's, it's been really good from a teamwork aspect. 355 00:22:59,380 --> 00:23:01,600 We are still very focused on the now, 356 00:23:01,900 --> 00:23:06,440 but we are equally as focused on what's out there. 357 00:23:07,180 --> 00:23:10,920 And one thing that we do like to tell the public is, is that, you know, 358 00:23:11,490 --> 00:23:15,200 those near peer adversaries, they're still going full steam, 359 00:23:15,260 --> 00:23:18,920 and we need to be ready for, uh, potential conflict. 360 00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:23,600 So what we're doing is getting ready for something like that 361 00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:28,600 to ensure that our way of life will still be maintained. 362 00:23:28,980 --> 00:23:31,920 That's a lot to unpack, , right? 363 00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:35,600 It's a lot to unpack as a human being. It breaks my heart to, 364 00:23:35,740 --> 00:23:39,840 to think about the fact that as we move off planet, it does, 365 00:23:39,870 --> 00:23:43,320 that we take all our problems with us, that we take the, 366 00:23:44,660 --> 00:23:48,720 the, the adversarial stance instead of, 367 00:23:49,260 --> 00:23:53,120 for example, the space station, which is a community stance mm-hmm. 368 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,480 , uh, it bums me out for, in Frank, in frank terms, 369 00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:59,200 it's a real bummer. You know what I mean? . 370 00:23:59,670 --> 00:24:04,560 Yeah. I, I would say as far as a military service, I'm not, uh, 371 00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:08,920 my mo my focus is not on adversarial. 372 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,280 I think where my head is at is, 373 00:24:12,460 --> 00:24:17,120 is to more or less preserve. So when, when I think about, 374 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,360 I wanna make sure that you are able to enjoy the 375 00:24:22,450 --> 00:24:26,360 space technology that's out there and to live your, 376 00:24:26,830 --> 00:24:30,720 your lives and everything. So, you know, when I joined the military, 377 00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:35,360 it was more like, you know, I would've probably joined a different, uh, 378 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:40,000 service if I was more that rah rah, gung-ho, and, you know, all that stuff. I, 379 00:24:40,380 --> 00:24:40,730 I'm more. 380 00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:41,560 Names. 381 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,800 . Yeah, exactly. Uh, and believe me, 382 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,760 I met with all of 'em when I was coming outta high school, and I'm like, yep, 383 00:24:47,980 --> 00:24:52,680 I'm, I'm not gonna do that. I think it's just more of the, 384 00:24:53,220 --> 00:24:56,640 the human aspect of things where it's, you know, 385 00:24:56,870 --> 00:25:01,680 there's just so much wonder and amazement and space that we 386 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,390 need. It's, 387 00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:06,960 it's on us as a space force to maintain the ability 388 00:25:07,180 --> 00:25:08,013 to, you know, 389 00:25:09,030 --> 00:25:12,480 keep performing that exploration and to do that. 390 00:25:12,620 --> 00:25:14,840 But in order to do that, we need to, 391 00:25:15,620 --> 00:25:20,400 we need to be able to support what could potentially happen. 392 00:25:21,670 --> 00:25:22,600 Yeah. I just, 393 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,560 I think if all the countries came together with their best and their brightest, 394 00:25:26,670 --> 00:25:28,600 it's just the potential of what that could be. 395 00:25:28,620 --> 00:25:31,880 But I know that's not the real world. It's just, that's the part that, 396 00:25:32,270 --> 00:25:33,760 that frustrates me, is that, 397 00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:38,960 that we do have to think in terms of protecting and, and, and all that. 398 00:25:38,980 --> 00:25:40,680 And I get that. And to me, 399 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,080 I think the great irony is people have really no 400 00:25:46,030 --> 00:25:50,280 true idea about what's happening to keep them safe on a daily 401 00:25:50,970 --> 00:25:55,600 basis. But if TikTok goes down for 20 minutes, or Instagram goes down, 402 00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:58,160 all hell breaks loose, right? Yeah. 403 00:25:58,260 --> 00:25:59,440 That's a, that's. 404 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,200 A shot heard around the world, . 405 00:26:01,630 --> 00:26:04,480 Yeah, exactly. And from a space standpoint, you know, 406 00:26:04,550 --> 00:26:09,320 someone lost their DirecTV. Here we go. So, no, no, you're, 407 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,840 you're exactly right. Now, one thing it's been allowed for us to do, 408 00:26:13,980 --> 00:26:18,040 now that we do have the space forces to kind of have more of those conversations 409 00:26:18,220 --> 00:26:21,400 of what some of those other countries are doing, you know, 410 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,840 like you were talking about cyber, you know, cyber, uh, 411 00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:30,760 cyber attacks are probably one of the cheapest and most effective ways to do 412 00:26:31,030 --> 00:26:35,560 harm. And I'm sure you could like, turn on the news and hear about, you know, 413 00:26:36,410 --> 00:26:41,040 cyber bank, uh, cyber hacks on banks, and, uh, you know, other, 414 00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:45,760 um, uh, necessary assets when we're putting up space capabilities. 415 00:26:45,860 --> 00:26:49,960 That's one thing that we definitely look at is, is what we call cybersecurity. 416 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,160 Ensuring that, uh, no nefarious actors can break into those, uh, 417 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:57,160 networks so that, you know, 418 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,280 we can make sure that the data that are coming back and down through, uh, 419 00:27:01,390 --> 00:27:03,800 many different communication channels and, uh, 420 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,160 data paths are actual true data, and that hasn't been tampered with. 421 00:27:08,380 --> 00:27:13,200 So we're, we're definitely keen on, uh, what's, um, what's going on, uh, 422 00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:16,360 in the ground, not to mention what's going on up in the sky. 423 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,320 I get 20 emails a day from Nigerian princes who want to make me a millionaire, 424 00:27:21,460 --> 00:27:22,293 so I get it. 425 00:27:23,150 --> 00:27:26,800 Yeah. Yeah. Just, just don't click that link. No. 426 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,760 , do not click that link. Uh, let's talk asteroids. 427 00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:35,240 There was a talk in the news, of course, recently. It, 428 00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:39,600 it makes me laugh because the clickbait is all, oh, we nearly missed Earth. 429 00:27:40,060 --> 00:27:44,320 We almost got obliterate by an asteroid, blah, blah, blah. And then you look, 430 00:27:44,380 --> 00:27:49,120 and it's the distance to the moon times 12 or something. And I think, well, 431 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:53,240 I mean, I guess apples and oranges, it's close in some regard, 432 00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:55,320 but how much of our satellite 433 00:27:57,060 --> 00:27:59,960 is protecting us from those sorts of intrusions? 434 00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:05,600 Our satellites aren't really focused on that. Now, that being said, uh, 435 00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:09,920 nasa, I, gosh, and I can't remember when they launched. Uh, 436 00:28:09,950 --> 00:28:13,400 last has a program called dart. And, uh, 437 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,240 what DART was doing was to basically land on an asteroid 438 00:28:18,420 --> 00:28:21,320 and to start, you know, thinking about what that looks like, 439 00:28:21,460 --> 00:28:24,600 not to sound like the movie, uh, Armageddon or anything like that, 440 00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:29,440 but that they, NASA has looked into that mission of, you know, what, 441 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,800 what that would look like. And, uh, I mean, if anything, 442 00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:37,080 also drill on those asteroids and-ing and look at, 443 00:28:37,270 --> 00:28:40,640 look at some of those minerals and stuff. But, uh, that's, 444 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,520 that's one of the missions that, uh, NASA's been looking at, 445 00:28:43,890 --> 00:28:47,360 where our satellites are more focused, supporting, uh, 446 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,960 missions on earth and the, the defense and everything. But our, 447 00:28:52,060 --> 00:28:55,200 our capabilities that we're producing right now, 448 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,480 we're not really focused on asteroids. 449 00:28:58,830 --> 00:29:02,560 What about things, and I'm, I'm pulling out stuff just randomly, 450 00:29:02,620 --> 00:29:04,200 but what about things like, um, 451 00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:08,320 weapons that are focused to a particular focal point or a sonic weapon? 452 00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:11,920 Are there ways to protect against that sort of thing? 453 00:29:12,180 --> 00:29:16,960 Or any heads up that gets, that satellites prepare us for, 454 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:22,120 assuming that we're talking mostly about satellites here for what the program is 455 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,400 all about, and not, not further off world than that? 456 00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:30,640 Yeah, no. So our, uh, one of our major constellations, uh, 457 00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:34,120 when we're thinking about protecting folks is our missile warning, 458 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,600 a missile track, uh, constellation. Uh, 459 00:29:37,660 --> 00:29:42,320 the majority of that is powered by a, uh, satellite called, uh, srs. 460 00:29:42,990 --> 00:29:47,520 That Constellation has six satellites up there right now. Actually, 461 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,200 we just launched our last, uh, SRS satellite just, uh, 462 00:29:51,270 --> 00:29:54,760 this past year, I believe. Don't quote me on that, 463 00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:59,720 but now we're working on the next generation, uh, of that, uh, architecture. 464 00:30:00,230 --> 00:30:02,440 It's called, uh, next, uh, next Gen Geo. 465 00:30:02,620 --> 00:30:06,360 So we're working on the next two satellites that we're gonna launch into Geo. 466 00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:09,160 Uh, we're working on launching other ones, uh, 467 00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:12,080 that go into a different orbit called, uh, polar. 468 00:30:12,580 --> 00:30:16,360 And then we're also working with partnership with the, uh, space, uh, 469 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,760 development agency who actually just launched their first satellites of what 470 00:30:20,770 --> 00:30:21,920 we're calling tranches. 471 00:30:21,980 --> 00:30:26,080 And these are smaller satellites that are gonna be in the, uh, the, uh, 472 00:30:26,140 --> 00:30:29,360 Leo orbit, which is the orbit closest to the Earth. 473 00:30:29,670 --> 00:30:31,880 They're gonna be launching many of those, uh, 474 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,600 with a constant replenishment rate. So from a missile warning and missile track, 475 00:30:36,740 --> 00:30:41,360 uh, standpoint, we're actually doing very well with that. And to, uh, 476 00:30:41,490 --> 00:30:42,800 counteract any, uh, 477 00:30:42,980 --> 00:30:47,360 issues where you maybe have seen through China or, uh, 478 00:30:47,410 --> 00:30:52,360 North Korea or anything like that. So we're doing really well there. But, 479 00:30:52,420 --> 00:30:57,200 uh, also a lot of our satellites are protected from, uh, you know, 480 00:30:57,220 --> 00:31:01,560 if, if there was gonna be a nuclear blast in space, a lot of our, uh, 481 00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:05,360 assets are protected against that. So if something were to happen, 482 00:31:05,910 --> 00:31:09,720 they would be able to survive something like that and be able to still function 483 00:31:09,980 --> 00:31:11,640 and support our troops on the ground. 484 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,160 I imagine they're, 485 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,800 they're built to withstand radiation to a certain extent anyway, right? I mean, 486 00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:20,120 obviously mm-hmm. where they are. Mm-hmm. , 487 00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:23,520 and I also assume that as the technology improves, 488 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,000 you're getting smaller and smarter with it. 489 00:31:26,940 --> 00:31:31,520 Oh, , that is, uh, I absolutely, what we're doing it, our, uh, 490 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,480 service acquisition executive honorable, um, Frank Elli, 491 00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:37,560 he's actually said, 492 00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:42,480 we are done with these long-term builds that have taken, you know, 493 00:31:42,620 --> 00:31:46,120 10 years and everything, things should be getting out there faster, 494 00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:50,000 shorter contracts so that we can allow innovation. 495 00:31:50,590 --> 00:31:53,640 It's actually been really refreshing. You know, I, 496 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,440 I still consider myself somewhat young that it's like, okay, good. 497 00:31:57,490 --> 00:32:01,600 We're getting into a new mindset here of getting things out there faster, 498 00:32:01,940 --> 00:32:04,160 not waiting for the a hundred percent solution, 499 00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:07,280 because what I always like to say is, uh, 500 00:32:07,330 --> 00:32:10,680 60% of something is a hundred percent better than nothing. 501 00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:12,720 So get something out there right away, 502 00:32:13,340 --> 00:32:17,200 and then you have time in the background to innovate on it and stuff, 503 00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:22,280 or better yet, get it out there, shake, rattle, roll it, make sure it's working, 504 00:32:22,820 --> 00:32:26,560 but also, you know, talk to the war fighter, talk to our allies, 505 00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:30,120 talk to all these folks and say, okay, what else could we do differently? 506 00:32:30,220 --> 00:32:34,640 And stuff. So it's a constant communication instead of throwing it out there. 507 00:32:34,780 --> 00:32:38,840 And then now you're waiting 10 more years to get the, the next best thing. 508 00:32:39,670 --> 00:32:43,960 Yeah, pretty soon it'll just be Apple watch size, satellites, . 509 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,520 I wanna see constellation of air tags all over the place. It'd be kind of cool. 510 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:49,130 . 511 00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:53,000 There you go. I, I would be remiss if I didn't ask, 512 00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:57,880 obviously in the news lately have been a lot of talk about 513 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,040 machines that are flitting about, 514 00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:05,560 that are of quote unquote unknown origin or capability. 515 00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:10,640 So if we have all these satellites out there, how are we not, maybe we are, 516 00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:13,120 and I know you probably, if we are, you're not about to say it, 517 00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:15,920 but you understand where I'm going with the question. 518 00:33:16,410 --> 00:33:20,160 Where is that stuff and why are we not seeing it on the satellites? 519 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,480 If it blips in and blips out, is it there? What does it mean? 520 00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:27,120 How do we wrap our heads around that? If we're, 521 00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:31,520 we're thinking about protecting ourselves from China, are they malevolent? 522 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,920 Are they benevolent? There's, there's a lot of to unpack with that one as well. 523 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,480 I, well, I would say what we are doing right now is, uh, 524 00:33:41,610 --> 00:33:46,280 we're keeping an eye on everything that is going on in space right now 525 00:33:46,940 --> 00:33:51,320 to kind of get to your question. I, it's, it's probably above my pay grade, 526 00:33:51,420 --> 00:33:54,680 any of that stuff. I'm not privy to any of it. 527 00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:58,880 But what I would say as far as the Space Force goes is, 528 00:33:59,140 --> 00:34:03,680 is that there is no better force out there that is 529 00:34:03,850 --> 00:34:08,760 doing right with space and is really just got their eye on 530 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,120 the ball of, you know, 531 00:34:10,820 --> 00:34:15,200 seeing everything that is going on there right now, so that, you know, 532 00:34:15,390 --> 00:34:17,920 more or less everybody can, you know, 533 00:34:18,130 --> 00:34:22,720 sleep well at night and just continue on with their lives and just really keep 534 00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:26,160 utilizing just a lot of the capabilities that are out there. 535 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,600 I imagine things get thwarted left and right that the general public never 536 00:34:31,650 --> 00:34:33,520 hears about, and there is this mm-hmm. , 537 00:34:33,980 --> 00:34:38,280 that's the other frustrating thing is, you know, people scream and shout about, 538 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,080 I I think that teachers should be paid more. Absolutely. 539 00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:46,920 But I do think that we have to have a well-maintained military because things 540 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,600 happen that there's a reason we don't know if we did, 541 00:34:50,940 --> 00:34:55,480 we would all be running around needing Prozac every five seconds. . 542 00:34:55,610 --> 00:34:56,443 Right. 543 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,280 I agree. Having lived that, uh, Washington life for a while, 544 00:35:01,530 --> 00:35:06,280 there are whoever has to balance a budget out there, you know, 545 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,520 deserves like a gold star, because I, I like to, 546 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,960 I even tell my family all the time, it's like, 547 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,120 there's just so many mouths to feed, 548 00:35:15,820 --> 00:35:20,640 and it's just a juggling act of like, you, it's exactly what you said. You know, 549 00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:24,600 we need to have a modernized strong military. 550 00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:27,080 But at that same time, you know, 551 00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:32,160 we need to ensure that our children are growing 552 00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:36,600 up and getting the proper education that they need. Uh, 553 00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:40,440 we need to make sure that roads are maintained. Uh, 554 00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:43,080 we need to make sure that we have, you know, 555 00:35:43,940 --> 00:35:48,760 law enforcement and, and, and, and just every, everything out there, 556 00:35:49,310 --> 00:35:52,120 it's just really tough as far as the military goes. 557 00:35:52,140 --> 00:35:56,640 That's why we need to do the smart thing with those dollars. 558 00:35:57,380 --> 00:36:00,520 My, my commander, uh, Lieutenant General Mike Gwin, 559 00:36:00,830 --> 00:36:04,920 he's actually got his head in the right direction of what he likes to call 560 00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:06,320 exploit by build. 561 00:36:07,220 --> 00:36:11,640 And the build stuff is the stuff that we've been doing for years. It's the, the, 562 00:36:11,660 --> 00:36:13,920 the big satellites. It's, it's the, 563 00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:17,080 it's the eight to 10 year developments and everything. I mean, 564 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,480 these are exquisite capabilities, but, you know, 565 00:36:20,620 --> 00:36:22,560 in order to go faster, 566 00:36:23,380 --> 00:36:28,160 we need to kind of start pivoting away from that and start really 567 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,840 taking into account what is the commercial industry offering, uh, 568 00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:37,800 what are our international allies offering so that we can just buy that stuff 569 00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:40,040 and integrate it. If it's already available, 570 00:36:40,660 --> 00:36:43,640 we should be buying it because we could get it out there tomorrow. 571 00:36:44,340 --> 00:36:47,040 And then when you think about exploit, 572 00:36:47,490 --> 00:36:52,400 we're starting to utilize our own capabilities in ways that they weren't even 573 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,040 intended, because A, we can, but b, 574 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:02,000 it helps us stay ahead of the threat. And then it, 575 00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:03,440 it's also, it, uh, 576 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,000 we have the ability to share data that's just hitting the cutting room floor and 577 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,320 proliferating it to our partners so that they don't have to do the same thing on 578 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:12,940 their own. 579 00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:17,520 So it's a really refreshing mindset of how we having to go faster 580 00:37:17,820 --> 00:37:21,320 to be more innovative. Our, uh, space systems command, 581 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,080 we have a number of different in, uh, 582 00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:27,800 initiatives to also tap into the intellect and the innovation 583 00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:32,200 of our own workforce. We have offered up, uh, programs to say, Hey, 584 00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:36,320 if you come with, uh, your like, great idea, and if it makes sense, 585 00:37:36,770 --> 00:37:40,840 we're gonna find some money to fund it, because it, it's a great idea, 586 00:37:40,860 --> 00:37:42,960 and we're gonna get that out there to the war fighters. 587 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,720 So we've actually had a number of, uh, really cool initiatives. 588 00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:50,160 It's really sparked something with the workforce, which is, it's, 589 00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:51,280 it's just exciting. 590 00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:55,680 Yeah. Do, do privatize space, uh, 591 00:37:56,020 --> 00:37:58,800 groups share their toys, um, 592 00:37:58,870 --> 00:38:03,560 when something really innovative happens, do they let y'all know and vice versa, 593 00:38:03,780 --> 00:38:07,200 so that you can work together assuming they're allies? 594 00:38:08,180 --> 00:38:12,720 Oh, absolutely. part of my job as, uh, leading the, uh, 595 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:17,000 commercial space offices. I, I meet with industry all the time. 596 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,040 I think I already had, uh, five meetings today alone, 597 00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:24,920 just to see what each industry partners doing. And, 598 00:38:24,940 --> 00:38:29,480 and it's all across the board too. It could be how to fuse data together, 599 00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:33,880 you know, where you're, where you are going all the way from doing, uh, 600 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,440 mobility and logistics in the sky. 601 00:38:36,820 --> 00:38:41,240 One thing that we're looking at right now in the Space Force is possibly 602 00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:46,400 repairing satellites in the sky. You know, having modules do that, 603 00:38:46,780 --> 00:38:49,880 uh, refueling our capabilities with gas, 604 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,000 almost like a gas station in the sky, 605 00:38:52,660 --> 00:38:56,960 moving things down so it enters the Earth's atmosphere faster. 606 00:38:57,190 --> 00:39:02,000 There's a lot of stuff as well as doing the right thing for the space 607 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:02,730 environment, 608 00:39:02,730 --> 00:39:07,240 which is also cleaning up orbital debris and making it a little bit cleaner. 609 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:08,040 I was. 610 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,880 Just gonna ask that question. Yeah. 611 00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:14,600 Our group called, uh, space Works, which is a very innovative group, 612 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,160 actually awarded a number of different contracts looking all at orbital 613 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,360 debris. And, uh, there, 614 00:39:21,470 --> 00:39:24,960 it's really cool when I see these satellite companies saying, well, hey, 615 00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:28,360 when it's de-orbiting, I can, you know, 616 00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:33,560 more or less deploy an umbrella and drag a bunch of 617 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,480 that trash down with me and everything. So, 618 00:39:36,860 --> 00:39:39,240 and then it burns up in the earth's atmosphere. 619 00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:41,600 There's a lot less clutter up there, 620 00:39:41,710 --> 00:39:45,520 because what that clutter's gonna do is now it's gonna start damaging 621 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,520 satellites. And, you know, more or less, 622 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:53,040 when you're talking about bringing our problems up into space, uh, 623 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,560 I would say as far as a, uh, a race, 624 00:39:55,780 --> 00:39:59,600 we have not exactly been the cleanest of the group. I think it's something, 625 00:39:59,620 --> 00:40:02,600 if we start the behavior now, I think, uh, 626 00:40:03,130 --> 00:40:04,760 it'll benefit us down the line. 627 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,800 I have another question about AI capability. The idea that mm-hmm. 628 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,440 an AI machine learning, uh, 629 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,040 quickly learning device to go up and, 630 00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:22,040 and be almost like a mechanic or a lineman in the sky mm-hmm. 631 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:22,960 to fix these things. 632 00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:25,720 Is that something that is also being worked on? 633 00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:31,680 We're definitely looking at that technology. In fact, we held a, uh, 634 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,480 industry, uh, event just this past, uh, 635 00:40:35,660 --> 00:40:37,760 may with the help of Microsoft, 636 00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:42,640 and the whole event was all about artificial intelligence and machine learning. 637 00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:47,520 And, uh, we invited a, a bunch of industry there to, you know, 638 00:40:47,590 --> 00:40:50,360 talk about the benefits of ai, uh, 639 00:40:50,410 --> 00:40:54,960 while at that same time talking about, you know, how do we set the, 640 00:40:55,020 --> 00:40:59,720 the right guardrails to ensure that you're really bounding the 641 00:40:59,810 --> 00:41:04,440 technology so that it doesn't, you know, go out and, you know, 642 00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:06,400 take over where it's not supposed to. 643 00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:11,840 So I know that the right people are in the discussions right now, 644 00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:15,360 but the one thing I would say about AI is, you know, 645 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:20,040 I I'm very positive probably the, uh, 646 00:41:20,340 --> 00:41:23,200 our near peer adversaries are utilizing it. 647 00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:28,640 So I think it's something that we need to really wrap our heads around it 648 00:41:28,860 --> 00:41:31,560 and figure out the best ways to employ it. 649 00:41:32,260 --> 00:41:35,690 One way that AI is just super beneficial is, 650 00:41:35,830 --> 00:41:39,530 is that you could utilize this technology to do a lot of the, 651 00:41:40,450 --> 00:41:42,370 I don't wanna say the meaningless tasks, 652 00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:47,050 but there's artificial intelligence capabilities that can write an entire 653 00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:52,130 contract for you, where it takes our people, maybe, you know, 654 00:41:52,260 --> 00:41:55,530 let's just say three days to input it into the system. 655 00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,570 This AI technology could write it for you in the span of seconds, 656 00:42:01,070 --> 00:42:03,570 and then you could have a human in the loop, read it, 657 00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:05,610 and make sure that it makes complete sense. 658 00:42:05,790 --> 00:42:10,770 So there's just so many different ways that it can 659 00:42:10,770 --> 00:42:14,250 make our lives easier, but I would say that there's, 660 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,090 there's still work that needs to be done. Yeah. 661 00:42:17,090 --> 00:42:21,170 As a creative, it's a slippery slope I can see in science and technology, yes. 662 00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:25,770 But in the creative realm for paintings and songwriting and, and movie writing, 663 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,570 keep your, your AI pause off my work . 664 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,530 Well, at that, at that same time, uh, me, uh, that has a, uh, 665 00:42:34,690 --> 00:42:38,850 a young kid, I have to ensure that he's not chat g p Ting, uh, 666 00:42:39,390 --> 00:42:43,490 his report, and he is actually, uh, learning the material and stuff. So, uh, 667 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,810 it's, uh, it's added a, uh, it's added a challenge as a parent, 668 00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:52,930 as a, uh, military member. I definitely see the, uh, the utility in it. 669 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,730 There's always a catch 22. 670 00:42:55,020 --> 00:42:56,370 There is, there is, there's. 671 00:42:56,370 --> 00:42:57,770 Always a catch 22. Uh, 672 00:42:58,100 --> 00:43:01,650 could you tell everybody how they can learn more about what you do and about 673 00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:04,370 Space Force and about the command center and all of that? 674 00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:07,730 Is there a good central place for them to go and, 675 00:43:07,870 --> 00:43:10,890 and scoot around and find out more information? 676 00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:15,450 Absolutely. So, uh, my, my recommendation, uh, 677 00:43:15,450 --> 00:43:18,370 because I'm just so bad with websites, is to, 678 00:43:18,670 --> 00:43:21,130 to Google the United States Space Force. 679 00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:24,930 And I know they have a public website that you can talk, uh, 680 00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:26,890 you can learn about, uh, 681 00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:31,850 the mission of the Space Force and also the history of it. It, 682 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,810 it's weird that we stood up in December of, uh, 2019, 683 00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:38,890 but there's just so much that's already happened in the, uh, 684 00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:43,290 close to four years that it's, uh, been around just as a personal plug. 685 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,450 Also Google, uh, the Space Systems Command. Um, 686 00:43:48,030 --> 00:43:51,850 one thing I'll say is under the, uh, space Force, there are three, uh, 687 00:43:51,980 --> 00:43:56,530 field commands, which is our major commands, uh, space Operations command, 688 00:43:56,530 --> 00:43:58,770 which are the, uh, folks that do the, uh, 689 00:43:58,770 --> 00:44:03,530 organized training and equip for all of the, uh, operators, but also the, uh, 690 00:44:03,530 --> 00:44:07,890 operations of the satellites and the, uh, ground equipment, Starcom, 691 00:44:08,420 --> 00:44:09,253 which, uh, 692 00:44:09,310 --> 00:44:13,970 is focused on training and testing and writing doctrine and, uh, 693 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,570 tech, uh, techniques, tactics and procedures for the, uh, major acquisition, 694 00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:23,050 uh, space systems command. Look at all the missions that we do, 695 00:44:23,050 --> 00:44:27,770 whether it be development, fielding, uh, launching. I mean, 696 00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:32,040 there's nothing more cool than a launch if you've ever been to Vandenberg or, 697 00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:35,760 uh, Patrick or Cape Canaveral, just to see those, uh, 698 00:44:35,860 --> 00:44:39,040 big rockets or small rockets go up. Really cool. 699 00:44:39,140 --> 00:44:43,960 But also we're doing amazing things with sustainment and ensuring that when we 700 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,520 launch something and it gets into its orbit, that it, 701 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,880 we're able to maintain it and, uh, you know, keep it going. 702 00:44:50,430 --> 00:44:52,840 Your recruitment centers must be fascinating. 703 00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:56,240 Oh, yeah. And, uh, that's all part of, uh, Starcom, 704 00:44:56,900 --> 00:45:01,480 and it's really getting out there. In fact, I, uh, we just, uh, had the, uh, 705 00:45:01,810 --> 00:45:05,680 chief master sergeant of the, uh, space Force visit us just this week, 706 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,440 and I just learned that Space Force is now gonna have its own honor guards. So, 707 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,640 you know, when you think about the folks going out and into the, uh, 708 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,480 football games and to, and displaying the flags, but also, uh, military, 709 00:45:18,860 --> 00:45:23,040 uh, ceremonies like funerals and stuff to really, uh, 710 00:45:23,180 --> 00:45:25,640 pay honor to, uh, those members, you know, 711 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,520 it's just really important to have and to, uh, bring importance to the, uh, 712 00:45:29,580 --> 00:45:30,413 to the force. 713 00:45:31,180 --> 00:45:35,680 Now, if, uh, a being touched down in your, you have kids, 714 00:45:35,780 --> 00:45:38,360 so you probably aren't gonna do this, I know what my answer is, 715 00:45:38,380 --> 00:45:41,840 but if a being touched down and said, come, we're gonna take you deep space, 716 00:45:41,940 --> 00:45:43,960 you could explore everywhere, would you go. 717 00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:50,160 Oh, geez. You know, uh, , I don't know. 718 00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:53,160 I've been watching all these videos on all this, uh, 719 00:45:53,170 --> 00:45:58,080 space travel and space exploration and everything. And I'll, I'll tell you, 720 00:45:58,700 --> 00:46:03,320 uh, I have done a lot of crazy things in my time, and I will probably, 721 00:46:03,980 --> 00:46:08,120 if the opportunity comes, I'll add that to my mix. So absolutely, 722 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,280 I will go out there, and I think it'd just be just an incredible experience. 723 00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:14,080 Yeah. 724 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,920 I don't, I wouldn't, I'm not really interested in orbiting the planet. 725 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,440 I wanna go full on Star Trek Deep Space, the, 726 00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:25,120 the prime directive, , sign me up, . 727 00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:30,880 Keep, uh, keep watching some of these, uh, companies because, uh, they are very, 728 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,440 I mean, just the excitement of, you know, going back to the moon, 729 00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:41,520 that's, that's huge. Human, uh, space exploration is back. 730 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:46,640 I mean, we're gonna have, uh, SpaceX has, uh, uh, gotten out to the, um, 731 00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:51,960 space Station a couple of times. I know the United Launch Alliance is, uh, 732 00:46:52,090 --> 00:46:54,760 going out there. I think everybody is just, 733 00:46:54,910 --> 00:46:57,600 it's just an exciting time for space right now. 734 00:46:58,870 --> 00:47:02,080 Yeah. Let's hope it unifies people a little more. 735 00:47:02,620 --> 00:47:06,480 Now, one thing I would say, you know, just as kind of a, uh, you know, 736 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,400 and I hate to consider myself an old guy in the military, but I'm going to, 737 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,233 right now, 738 00:47:11,350 --> 00:47:16,200 it's been really awesome watching our junior force take 739 00:47:16,260 --> 00:47:21,080 on more responsibilities. You know, I remember when I first got in, 740 00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:26,560 you know, you were handled with kid gloves and, you know, uh, yeah, 741 00:47:26,660 --> 00:47:29,160 you're, you're not quite old enough to make coffee, 742 00:47:29,740 --> 00:47:33,160 so you could go fill the cream and everything. But, uh, 743 00:47:33,230 --> 00:47:37,600 I've been working with some very young, uh, company, great officers, and, 744 00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:40,320 you know, in military speak, those are the, uh, 745 00:47:40,350 --> 00:47:45,240 lieutenants and captains and I personally have been excited just 746 00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:49,960 to say, you know what? Hands off you go run this. 747 00:47:50,580 --> 00:47:55,360 Let me know what you need from me. And just seeing that the, uh, 748 00:47:55,580 --> 00:47:59,960 the results that they're bringing back, it just brings such a smile to my face. 749 00:48:00,340 --> 00:48:02,120 And I, I think, you know, 750 00:48:02,260 --> 00:48:06,080 as we build the Space Force and we, you know, 751 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,480 continue the momentum of excitement that we have, you know, 752 00:48:09,740 --> 00:48:12,560 as we're bringing in all of this talent, 753 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,200 I have great confidence in where everything is gonna go. 754 00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:20,520 And one and one more thing, to your point, 755 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,600 I would say the cooperation between the United States and its allies 756 00:48:25,740 --> 00:48:29,800 is at an all time high with regards to space right now. I mean, 757 00:48:30,180 --> 00:48:35,160 at Space Systems Command, we host a number of different countries. Uh, 758 00:48:35,180 --> 00:48:39,280 the uni, uh, United Kingdom, the Australians I'm meeting with, uh, 759 00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:43,800 the Japanese next week, the Dutch have come. I, 760 00:48:44,110 --> 00:48:48,680 it's been really cool to see how they wanna get involved 761 00:48:49,180 --> 00:48:53,960 and, and just work together across, and we have an amazing, uh, 762 00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:56,600 international affairs office here that's just, 763 00:48:56,710 --> 00:49:01,080 just doing just a amazing work bridging, uh, 764 00:49:01,170 --> 00:49:05,120 these partnerships. So I would definitely say, you know, 765 00:49:05,540 --> 00:49:07,720 as far as the United States and its allies, 766 00:49:07,980 --> 00:49:12,080 the cooperation with regards to the space Domain is, is you're, 767 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,080 you're in good hands. 768 00:49:13,870 --> 00:49:16,120 It's exciting. It's really exciting. It is. 769 00:49:16,530 --> 00:49:16,880 Thank. 770 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,120 You so much for taking the time to speak with me. Uh, 771 00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:23,360 you were really gracious about it, and I appreciate it. 772 00:49:23,830 --> 00:49:28,520 Yeah, no, I was glad that we were able to make it happen. I, I was actually, uh, 773 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,040 I was pinging our public affairs team. I was like, is it gonna happen? 774 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,200 Because she was so cool to talk to. So, no, it was great. 775 00:49:35,740 --> 00:49:39,840 I'm really excited about getting this out for my listeners, which by the way, 776 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,600 thank you for listening everybody, and thank you. 777 00:49:43,020 --> 00:49:46,760 And keep in touch if there's something exciting you wanna talk about, 778 00:49:46,820 --> 00:49:48,240 you have an open door always. 779 00:49:48,420 --> 00:49:52,080 And if you got a physicist running around back there, send them my way. 780 00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:56,400 Awesome. And no, it was great talking to you and, uh, you know, thank you, uh, 781 00:49:56,420 --> 00:50:00,000 to your listeners for, uh, taking interest and, uh, you know, 782 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,760 it'd be kind of cool to do it again sometime. 783 00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:05,040 Hey, thank you. Bye everybody. Thank you. 784 00:50:05,740 --> 00:50:06,573 Bye. 785 00:50:09,310 --> 00:50:11,280 Rate review and subscribe to Hey, 786 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,600 human on iTunes or wherever you get your podcast. Thanks. Bye.