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Hey, humans. How's it
going? Susan Ruth here.

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Thanks for listening to another
episode of Hey Human Podcast.

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This is episode 375,

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and I had a conversation with Udo Erasmus.

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You may know Udo as a bestselling author.

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He's the co-founder of Udo's Choice,

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which you see in grocery
stores all over the place.

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He's the guy who invented flaxseed
oil. How's that for <laugh>?

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An invention? Uh, well,

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we'll talk about all of that
on another episode later on.

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For this one, we get straight into
the heart and soul of humanity,

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and we chat about his take on how to
move the needle to kindness, compassion,

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self-love, and awareness of the
energetic force that connects us all.

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He tells a couple of really great stories
starting all the way back from his

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time as a child during World War
ii and some really phenomenal

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experiences he has had in
his life on the planet.

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Really interesting guy.
Fascinating conversation.

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He's gonna come back for a part two to
talk about the health food aspect of his

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life, but we got really into the,

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the depth of the spirit on this one.

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I want to recommend this
week, uh, reading the book,

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good Omens by Neil Gayman and Terry prt,

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and then immediately go and
watch the series on Amazon,

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season one and season two.
I just finished season two.

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I don't get paid to say it. I'm gonna
say it because I love it and I mean it,

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it's so freaking good. I
absolutely loved it. I'm also,

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I've been devouring the
COR O'Connor Mysteries by

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William Kent Kruger, really
enjoying those as well.

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So if you're looking for some fun
reads or fun watch stuff, that's,

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that's what I recommend. Check
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And to learn more about
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And thank you for listening.
Be well, be kind, be love,

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take care of each other.

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Let's lift each other up and make
every day a little bit better than

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how we found it, if we can.
That's, that's what I try to do.

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It's not easy. I fail a lot, but, uh,

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the effort is is in the
try. Yeah. All right.

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Enough of that. Let's get into this.
Thank you for listening. Here we go.

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Udu. Erasmus, welcome to Hey, human.

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Hi. Hey, human. Hi.

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Hello. Hello. Welcome. Welcome.

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The first thing I always ask
my guests, where were you born?

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How were you raised? <laugh>? What,
what, how was, how did that shape you?

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Yeah.

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I, I was born during the Second
World War, so I'm 81 years old.

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I was born in Poland. It was
at that time part of Germany.

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And my parents had come from Latvia
and Estonia, and if you know,

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history or politics in 1938,

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Hitler and Stalin made
a non-aggression pact,

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and of which said they were gonna f
they were not gonna fight each other.

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Of course, they broke the pact a few
years later, but they signed the pact.

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And as part of the pact, Latvia,

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which is where my parents
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and part of Poland went to Germany.

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But there was nobody from
Latvia or Poland at the meeting.

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They just took it because
they were big, right?

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So my father loved the Russians
as pe as people, human beings.

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They have a lot of heart and a lot of,

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lot of depth of feeling hated communism,

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because it took everything
away from everybody.

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And he owned a farm and
farming was a, was a noble,

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a noble profession in
Europe more than it is here.

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And so he lost his farm and
he was given a farm in Poland.

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And the Polish farmer who owned the
farm that was given to him became his

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farmhand.

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And that was a little intense
apparently until they said, look,

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we're living in crazy times.

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Let's just run the farm the
way a farm needs to be run.

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And then they basically ran the farm
together and then they helped us get out.

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When the communists were chasing us
afterwards, they became good friends.

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I was born on this so-called stolen farm,

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and I was a refugee kid
when I was two years old.

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We were on horse-drawn hay wagons, on
dirt roads with no military presence.

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Pretty much all women with young children.

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There were dead people and
dead horses in the ditches.

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And we were fleeing from the
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us in tanks and trucks. But the allies,

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the good guys, they were
shooting us at us from planes.

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They were using refugees as
target practice. And it was,

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I don't remember a lot 'cause
I was only two and a half,

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but I remember not feeling safe,

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not knowing what I could depend on.
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And then my mother had six kids,
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on her horse drawn hay wagon.

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And she decided it was winter and she
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fields than to stay on the road. 'cause
they weren't shooting on the fields.

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They were shooting on the road.
'cause that's where the traffic was.

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so she could only to take two of the
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she left them with a farmer.
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uh, Berlin, um, where,

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where we had some relatives,
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the relatives had already fled because
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there. And so I ended up
in an orphanage with my,

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one of my sisters for, I
don't know exactly how long.

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And eventually her sister found out
that she had had to leave a couple

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of her kids behind. And she
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and then eventually reunited us
with the family. So that was my,

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that was like, my first
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although we were in a war and we could
hear the noise. But the farm is pretty,

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you know, it's pretty, farms are pretty
relaxed places. But this was like,

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um,

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really shaped me because I basically
lived like this for the first 30 years

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of my life. Found that just
protect, always under protection,

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not feeling safe. I got, I really got
into books because books are safe.

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You know, you can read about a war,
but there are no bullets flying.

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I already knew about the, the bullets
flying and I, so I was very bookish,

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loved stories. Stories are
just, I mean, you can live,

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you can travel the world in books and
have so many different experiences

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secondhand, of course. And, uh,
and then when I was six years old,

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we made it out to ger. We
were in Germany at that point.

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And I listened to adults argue all the
time. I mean, they argued all the time.

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And it was about really trivial
stuff. Like, to me, at six years old,

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it seemed trivial. So it must have
been like, you know, it was nothing.

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And I, I didn't understand why they
would argue about such trivial stuff.

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And, and it always made me
uneasy. This intensity, you know?

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It was like more, more
that. Right? And it,

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and one day when I listened to yet
another one of these arguments,

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the thought went through my head,

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there must be a way that
people can live in harmony.

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And this little cocky voice that came
out and said, I'm gonna find out how,

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you know, six years old, don't know how
complicated everything is. Yeah, yeah.

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Right. You're gonna find out
how, how to live in harmony.

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But that became my driver.

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How many years were you in the orphanage?

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Uh, no, it probably was
more a matter of weeks,

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but still in pretty intense
a kid, kid at two years old,

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mother's there and then all
of a sudden mother's gone.

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And you're in a completely strange
place. And, uh, and the bond, like the,

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the care bond I think got
broken to some extent.

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Although, you know, we, they
did the best they could. I mean,

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it was crazy times my parents
went through the first World war,

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then the Bolshevik
Revolution right after that.

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Then the depression right after that.

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And then the second world war right after
that, that was their life in Europe,

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in the place where they lived.

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And they couldn't get the hell out of
there fast enough. So when I was 10,

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we immigrated out of Germany to Canada.

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It took about six years to get the papers.
'cause bureaucracy is slow <laugh>.

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And so we, then we got out and my
father loved the north country,

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and he came to Canada, British Columbia.

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And then he went north, halfway up the,

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up the province, about 500 miles straight.

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And he bought himself
112 acres of bushland for

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$960. And then we built our own house.

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We, uh, built our own barn.

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We cleared 40 acres by hand and by horse.

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While we didn't have running water,
we didn't have indoor heating. Uh,

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our outhouse, which we used at
40 below was outside an outhouse,

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not an in-house. So we didn't have
indoor plumbing or anything like that.

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So it was very rustic,
very simple, and, uh,

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very character building and close to
nature, because for them, for my parents,

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nature was their church. You know,
it's because here's something,

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because they didn't, like, my father
didn't like big religion or big business,

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or big government or big anything
big. He big so-called healthcare,

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big disease management. He didn't
like any of those. And he said, and,

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and his slogan kind of was, I
just wanna be left alone <laugh>,

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you know, 'cause I, he'd had it up
to here in Europe for so long, right.

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So we, we left, uh, Germany in 1952,

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and he was born in 1907, so
he was like 45 by that point.

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So.

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Did you then get reunited
with the other two siblings?

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Yeah, yeah. We, we got, we got
reunited, uh, after a few weeks.

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And, uh, then we lived
together in Germany, uh,

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basically over a, uh,

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above a stable of horses
in a little two room

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place. Five, five kids at
that point, five kids. And,

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uh, the walls would, would
get, uh, condensation on them.

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So the water was always running down the
walls because they were made outta rock

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out of, out of cement, basically.

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What was the experience of knowing the
Nazis were in control of everything?

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Did you have a concept of
that at such a young age?

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Or overhear your parents talking about it?

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No, no. Uh, I had no concept
of it at all. And, uh,

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they didn't talk about the war
much. They didn't talk about,

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because they kind of like,

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thank God we've survived and,
uh, let's, let's look at,

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let's look at where the
light is basically, you know?

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And so they didn't talk about all of
that stuff. Everybody got bamboozled in,

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I mean, what happened to 'em? I mean,
Germans are smart people, you know,

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they tend to be pretty well
educated. You might be opinionated,

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but they're pretty smart.
They're thoughtful.

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Their literature is very thoughtful,
their poetry is very thoughtful,

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and a lot of them just could
not believe that they got,

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that they got bamboozled.

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So some of them denied what happened
just because they couldn't come

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to grips with the fact
that they themselves

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got so misled willingly. Right? I mean,

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here we are smart thinking people,
right? And we got completely

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suckered. They had a hard time with that.

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So, and they didn't talk about it,
you know, 'cause, and I, it probably,

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it's hard to say. I mean, I,
you know, sometimes people say,

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if you don't study history,
you're bound to repeat it.

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I think that's complete
crap. Because in fact,

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the more you study the stupidity
of, of humanity, the more you,

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it becomes normal for you. So what we
actually need to not study history is,

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but we need to study what's possible.
And, uh, interesting. Yeah. And,

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uh, and, and as we go along, you'll see
where, so see where that took me, right?

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So then when I, when I, uh, got older
and went to, went to get educated,

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'cause we, my parents believed
in education, went to university,

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started in science.

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'cause I wanted to understand how things
work because when you're insecure,

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but you get, you, you
understand how something works,

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it becomes predictable and that's, that's
makes you feel a little more secure.

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Then I got into biological sciences.

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'cause I wanted to know how
creatures work because, you know,

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I live on a planet. You,

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you live on a planet with nature all
around you with trees and things buzzing

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around and flying around and
swimming around and people, and,

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you know, pollen and, you know,
all, all so many things in nature.

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And I didn't want to get to
know nature better as a job.

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I wanted to deepen my appreciation
for it. And I literally, in biology,

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I had religious experiences of awe.

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I, I was, I was in bliss. Oh
my God, this is so interesting.

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You know? But not, not as a job thing.

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<laugh> just interesting for itself.

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Then I got into psychology. I
wanted to know how thinking works,

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you know, if, if, uh, finding out
how to live in harmony together,

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those are probably all pretty good
subjects. Then I got into medicine.

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I wanted to know what health is.
'cause they call it healthcare.

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And I found out it's just disease
management. You know, it has a place,

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but it ain't healthcare. So I went
to the dean and I asked the dean,

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what is health? What is health? I
came here to study health. He said,

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we don't know. We're working
on it. I was very disappointed.

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So I I, I lasted one year in medicine.
I did the anatomy course. It was,

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again, was awesomely fascinating,

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how a body is put together and you get
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the outside and everything.

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And then I got back into biochemistry
and genetics because by that time I'd

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realized that I'm gonna learn
more about health in biology,

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where you study the normal functioning
of normal creatures in normal situations

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than in medicine where they
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situations and then treat them with
abnormal methods that are not natural.

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And so, and so then, and but then there
was still something missing. You know,

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this, like, when I turned 17,

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my heart started to ache and I couldn't
shake it. And I didn't know what it was,

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but it was there all the
time. Heartache, you know,

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just like uncomfortable
feeling, empty loss, you know?

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I mean, we have lots of names for that
feeling because we call that feeling

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by what triggered it. But the feeling,

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but what triggers that feeling is not
what causes that. And we'll get back,

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we'll get to that. Um, so, and I couldn't
shake it. And so I was always looking,

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what is it that I'm missing?
There's something missing here.

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That's what you know.

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And so then I left university
because I'd gone through everywhere.

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I thought I could find it.
And I sat around in some, uh,

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other classes in social
psychology and sociology and

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a little bit of theology and said, no,

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I'm not finding what I'm looking
for. I'm not finding it here.

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And I think it's because what I
was looking for is not in words. I,

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I was getting fed things here. That's
what you do when you go into a school.

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Like, like university. You're feeding
this, but you're not feeding this,

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right? It's all theories
and all talk and all,

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all of that pictures and all of that.

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But you are still missing.

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You're just filling your head
and your heart's still empty.

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So I left university and then I

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experimented with psychedelics. I'd
actually started that, uh, before,

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uh, while I was still in university.
And I, and I said to somebody,

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because I was in science and nobody
in science was doing anything with

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psychedelics, but in the arts faculties,
there was quite a bit of that going on.

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Were you doing L s D
or mushrooms, or which.

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No, I, my first one was
L s D. Yeah. And, uh,

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and it was Sandoz, l ss d. So it
was the real clean stuff. Anyway,

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I asked this guy, so what is it like
to do L S D? And he just looked at me,

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he said, you know, he says,
if you haven't tried it,

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I can't explain it to you.
And if you have tried it,

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I don't need to explain it to
you. And what I, and what I,

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uh, had that experience,
I thought, what a,

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what a clean answer he gave me. 'cause
you cannot explain what that's like.

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You can talk about what it does
to the, to the brain connections.

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It broadens brain connections,
which, which is kind of cool. Uh,

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but in terms of what
is the experience like,

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either you've experienced it and you know,

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or you haven't experienced and you
can't know <laugh>. So what happened at,

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what happened to me is I was, uh,

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I was with two guys and
I was lying on the floor.

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I was rolling on the floor laughing,

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and the tears were running down my
cheeks and they were playing Mozart. I,

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I, I like classical music. So Mozart,

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I was laughing in time
with the Mozart music.

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So I was like laughing.

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And the thing that made me laugh so
hard is that I was really serious and

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studious.

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And I realized during that experience
that all the things I was so

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studiously looking for on the
outside are all within me.

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So I was looking on the outside for
what I can only find on the inside.

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And that struck me as
the funniest joke. So,

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uh, so that was, and, and that
sort of blew the door off my,

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off my war baby personality,
because I realized,

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also realized that, oh my
God, there's a hundred,

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there's a thousand ways I could live.

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And I didn't ever saw that before.
'cause I was just so, like, so,

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oh my God, there's a
thousand ways I could live.

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And then it took me about 15 years
to figure out how I wanted to live.

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I think that's why they use psychedelics
now in treating depression and anxiety

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disorders.

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Yeah. What, what,

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what what does psychedelics do in the
brain is they make connection between

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nerves that are not usually connected.
And whenever you are in a, uh,

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in a, uh, um,

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in an addiction,

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an addiction is always that you run a
brain track over and over and over and

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over and over again,

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and it becomes a well trod track
so that there'd be a trigger.

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And you don't see that you
have a thousand choices.

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You only see that one choice that you're
habitually taking because it becomes so

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well born.

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So what psychedelics do is they open
that up and all of a sudden you have a

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thousand options. And if
you're depressed, for instance,

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or you have P T S D or you have anxiety,

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or O c d or you're addicted
to sex, or you're addicted to,

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to a way of thinking, to a
religion, to a, to a philosophy.

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Like if you're stuck in a
rutt in a thinking, rutt,

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psychedelics, open that up.

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And then you see you have more
options. And a lot of people,

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when they're depressed,

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they don't wanna pick the
depression option if they
see they have other options.

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'cause depression isn't fun. Right.

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And so anything that can open that up
can be helpful to dealing with those,

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those kinds of addictive brain tracks.

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Yeah, I, I mean,

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I personally did a lot of l
ss d in high school mm-hmm.

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<affirmative> and I,

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I cite that as being one of the
reasons why I can see and feel.

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That there's hope for the world.

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So much. Well, it's just in general,

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just they see the connections in so
many different directions and yeah. I,

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I think that that's part of it. Yeah.

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It opened up a part of my
mind at such an important age.

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I'm not advocating drugs for young
people, but for me, yeah, it was awesome.

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<laugh>. Yeah.

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Yeah. Same, same with me. I think
they're, you know, they're powerful.

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They're best used under supervision.

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You want the supervision of people
who know what drugs do, what drugs.

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They really, they call 'em
plant spirit medicines.

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We used to call 'em drugs in the
sixties. And, uh, they were, uh,

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so I was 1964 is when I did
that, had that l s d experience.

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And, uh, and yeah, so it, that, that
was part of opening up my world.

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I complained a lot because, because
I was shy and I was nervous, and,

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you know, and people would kind of be
like, well, what do you expect? I've,

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I was born in a bloody war, right?
And so I, I kind of had that,

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but one day I sat on a porch and
I wasn't doing anything. No, no,

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no spirit medicine or anything,
just sitting in the sunshine.

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And it occurred to me that all this time,

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all this stuff that I'm complaining about,

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and by this time I'm like 26 years old.

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So that war's been over for 24 years.

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I'm still bitching about it.

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And it occurred to me that all this
time when I went through the war and

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afterwards when I was bitching
about it and everything,

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all my dramas and all the
traumas that I went through,

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something inside of me took perfect
care of me through all of that.

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And I realized, oh my God,

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I have never said thank
you to whatever that is,

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because I didn't really
know what it is. 'cause I'm,

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I'm out there and I'm in here, but I'm
not in here so much, right? Oh my God,

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I've never said thank you. And gee,

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maybe I should get to know it a little
better. It's been alu bloody good friend.

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And so that, again, for, you
know, pointing back into,

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there's something in us, just like
the, on the, on the l s d journey,

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right?

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There's something in us that
is unconditional love for the,

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for the body. And, uh, maybe,

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maybe we need to take
time to sit with that,

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to rediscover it,

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to bring our focus back to the core
of our own being where that lives.

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And to get to know it
and to get to feel it.

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And when you feel unconditionally loved,

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then it's not about you anymore.

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Then there's the only thing left to do.
If what I, I'm good, I'm taken care of.

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If I don't know, if I don't feel
taken care of, I know where to go.

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So I'm, I'm good. Okay, where can I help?

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That's all that's left to do
in my life. Where can I help?

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What needs to be done? How can I make
the biggest splash for good in the,

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in the time that I have?
Right? That's, uh, and,

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and then I've, but it goes further
than that. You know, it's a theme.

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It's like, yeah, it's inside. It's
inside, it's inside. And there were,

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it happened many times. One of the
things I did after I left university,

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I was trying to figure out
what it was that was missing,

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and I didn't know where to look.

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'cause I'd had looked at all the
mainstream stuff. So then I said, well,

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you know, one of the things
I haven't looked at, and,

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and it's also like, who
is a good model? Like,

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I'm young enough to wanna have
a model. You know, what do I,

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who do I wanna be like, right?
My son's model was Arnold,

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Arnold Schwartzenegger, because he,

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he was into body because he loved that
you could do certain things and then

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shape the body in any way
you wanna do that, right?

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So mine was just maybe about
for a living. And so it was,

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'cause I came out of the war, it was
like different, right? So I figured,

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you know,

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the best model that I know
in my culture is the model

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of Christ.

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And so the question that I asked,
it's a very specific question.

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What did he feel? What did he experience?

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How did he experience himself
that made him memorable

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so that people are still talking
about him 2000 years later.

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Nobody remembered my grandfather. I
don't even remember his name. Right?

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What was the difference?

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What was it that he
experienced that made him live?

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Like he did speak, like
he did do what he did.

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I wanna have that experience
because that seemed like he seemed,

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he seemed to be a guy who
wasn't missing something, right?

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He seemed to seem, he seemed to be solid.

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So I got the red letter edition where
everything Jesus says is in red ink and

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everything else in the, in
that Bible is in black ink.

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Because I just wanted to know,

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I wanted to get as close to
what he was about as I could.

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And then I started putting little things
to the test and started thinking about,

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well, what did he,

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what does that mean when he says what you
have done to one of the least of these

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that you have done to me?
What does that mean? You know?

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Well,

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the only way I can scribe it
to make sense of it is I am in

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everyone. Maybe that's
what he said. I don't know.

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So anyway, so I put it
to the test and then,

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and then about a year
into it, this group of

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Christians came up from California
up the coast to Vancouver,

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and they call themselves
the Jesus people's Army.

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And that should have been a warning to
me. 'cause army is not exactly a, a,

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a positive word in my dictionary,
<laugh>, right? Given my experiences.

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But I missed the cue. And I thought,
in my head, I thought, you know,

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talk about fantasy, right? I,
in my head, I thought, well,

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these guys must be looking
for what I'm looking for.

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They're trying to figure it out.
They're probably doing what I'm doing.

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They're reading and thinking
about it, having experiences.

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We're all gonna get together and
we're all gonna share our stories,

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and we're all gonna leave that place
enriched at the end of the evening.

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So like, so I say, okay, I'm
gonna go, that sounds good.

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It sounds like maybe
my, my my tribe <laugh>,

441
00:28:47,740 --> 00:28:50,800
we, we didn't, we, I didn't think of
it that way, but these days you'd say,

442
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,000
oh yeah, look for you, find
your tribe. Right? So I thought,

443
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,120
this is kind of like that. So
they went to, had a coffee house.

444
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,440
I walked into the coffee house, they
had a table, a bunch of tables set up.

445
00:29:01,620 --> 00:29:04,600
And I sat down at a table.
And the moment I sat down,

446
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,560
this guy swooped into the
other chair at that table.

447
00:29:08,020 --> 00:29:11,930
And that should have been my second
warning, but I missed that cue as well.

448
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,860
So as soon as he sat down,

449
00:29:15,180 --> 00:29:18,980
I looked him in the eyes and
I didn't introduce myself.

450
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,380
And I didn't do any preamble. I just
looked him in the eyes and I said,

451
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,650
it must be possible to see God and
live. 'cause as kids, we were told,

452
00:29:27,650 --> 00:29:31,650
if you see God, you die. You know,
it's like, what is this? He's,

453
00:29:31,650 --> 00:29:33,970
he's my father. He loves
me unconditionally.

454
00:29:34,030 --> 00:29:37,890
He makes sure that I wake up when I
sleep. You know, he keeps me breathing,

455
00:29:37,890 --> 00:29:41,960
keeps my heart beating. He does everything
good for me. But if I look at him,

456
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,240
he kills me. It's like, ah,

457
00:29:44,550 --> 00:29:48,120
there's just some not
right about that. And, uh,

458
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:50,800
and so I thought this would be the, the,

459
00:29:50,860 --> 00:29:55,640
the beginning of a deep conversation.
And I wasn't wasting any time,

460
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,200
right? Well, this guy jumped,

461
00:29:58,220 --> 00:30:02,840
jumped out of his chair and he's
jumping around in the room with his arms

462
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,960
flailing around over his head. And he
screams at me, you are from the devil.

463
00:30:08,020 --> 00:30:10,080
You're from the antichrist. Get out.

464
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,380
So I go slinking out of there.

465
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,420
I'm standing on the sidewalk in the
dark and I say, well, let's see.

466
00:30:19,540 --> 00:30:23,710
I haven't seen God. Maybe I'm not
supposed to ask this question.

467
00:30:23,710 --> 00:30:28,710
Because how do you know when
you don't know? Right? And, uh,

468
00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:33,830
I got really confused and really
desperate. And when you become desperate,

469
00:30:34,650 --> 00:30:39,150
you tend to become pretty sincere.
And I really wanted to know,

470
00:30:39,730 --> 00:30:42,910
you know, it just made that question
I had, what did he experience?

471
00:30:43,370 --> 00:30:45,310
It made that so real for me.

472
00:30:45,890 --> 00:30:48,710
And so I decided to spend
the weekend in nature.

473
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:53,790
'cause that's how I used to clear my
head when the city got too much for me.

474
00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:57,590
So I went to a beach on the
west coast, and there was,

475
00:30:58,410 --> 00:31:03,350
the beach was deserted. I was the only
person on the beach logs all over.

476
00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:08,430
Somebody had draped plastic over the
logs. So there's my hotel for the,

477
00:31:08,650 --> 00:31:11,030
the weekend. Couldn't stand up in it,

478
00:31:11,030 --> 00:31:13,950
but you could crawl into it and you could
sit in it and you could lie down and

479
00:31:13,950 --> 00:31:16,750
sleep it. So I went in, went to sleep,

480
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:21,630
and in the middle of the night, I
will bolt upright from dead asleep.

481
00:31:21,650 --> 00:31:23,550
And there was a being made of light.

482
00:31:26,550 --> 00:31:29,570
I don't believe in that kind
of stuff, but that be <laugh>,

483
00:31:29,570 --> 00:31:30,650
that being was there <laugh>.

484
00:31:31,390 --> 00:31:34,330
And I couldn't tell if it was
male or female or older, young,

485
00:31:35,230 --> 00:31:40,090
but made of light and embodied
a message. But no words,

486
00:31:40,270 --> 00:31:44,450
no labels, no introduction,
no conversation. You know,

487
00:31:44,450 --> 00:31:46,770
some people talk to
spirits, nothing like that.

488
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,890
Just there it was embodying a message.
And the message I could put words to,

489
00:31:53,940 --> 00:31:57,620
I am come not to judge, but to love.

490
00:31:58,620 --> 00:32:01,520
That was the message.
That was the message that,

491
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,240
that being embodied, I am come
not to judge, but to love.

492
00:32:07,140 --> 00:32:11,140
And all of my desperation
completely evaporated.

493
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:17,280
And I've never had a
question since that night.

494
00:32:18,150 --> 00:32:22,470
What was the central
message of that master?

495
00:32:23,670 --> 00:32:27,730
But also the other ma the other great
masters like Buddha and Krishna and all

496
00:32:27,730 --> 00:32:30,770
those guys. I am come not
to judge, but to love.

497
00:32:32,150 --> 00:32:36,850
And then I started thinking about,
well, who was that? You know?

498
00:32:36,850 --> 00:32:40,810
And I, I came up with
three options, Christ,

499
00:32:42,150 --> 00:32:45,360
spirit or life.

500
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:48,750
And it turns out they're all the same.

501
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:54,070
Because your life is solar energy, right?

502
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:58,790
A fraction of solar energy. The the
sun radiates, hits the earth, right?

503
00:32:59,970 --> 00:33:02,790
Filter filtered through
93 million miles of space,

504
00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:06,950
filtered through the atmosphere
and filtered through plants that,

505
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:11,670
so a fraction of that energy is
stored in bonds between atoms

506
00:33:12,290 --> 00:33:15,590
to make molecules. We eat
those molecules as food.

507
00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:20,790
And in our cells, those bonds get
broken. And the solar energy is released.

508
00:33:21,570 --> 00:33:25,860
And now we call it life, life energy.

509
00:33:26,250 --> 00:33:29,380
Life energy, solar energy.
So you may not know this,

510
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,820
but you are a solar energy
gadget. So is every human being,

511
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,710
so is every plant, so is every animal.
So is every microbe pretty much, right?

512
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:45,210
Same energy animates all
living creatures on the

513
00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:46,043
planet.

514
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,870
Right? This, this is the
indigenous, the indigenous way.

515
00:33:50,540 --> 00:33:54,990
Yeah. So, so the, the, the, the tribes
that worshiped the sun were not far off.

516
00:33:55,980 --> 00:34:00,190
It's not like, oh, that's weird. No,
it's, no, we were the weird ones.

517
00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:04,150
They actually were, they were
actually closer to it than we were.

518
00:34:04,770 --> 00:34:05,990
And those who understood,

519
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:10,190
I just finished a book that's incredible
called Braiding Sweet Grass. And.

520
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:11,190
I've, I've read it.

521
00:34:11,620 --> 00:34:14,670
It's fantastic. Yeah. And it's, to
me, that whole book is a prayer.

522
00:34:16,370 --> 00:34:20,980
Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, anyway,

523
00:34:20,980 --> 00:34:24,540
so then, but then the, the,
the second part of it is that,

524
00:34:26,150 --> 00:34:26,983
um,

525
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:32,250
that energy in you is
the master because it's

526
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,210
omnipresent in your body,
omnipotent in your body,

527
00:34:37,370 --> 00:34:39,960
omniscient in your body.
So it's everywhere present,

528
00:34:40,140 --> 00:34:43,320
all powerful and all knowing
in your body. 'cause it,

529
00:34:43,470 --> 00:34:47,480
even though it weighs nothing,
it runs everything, right?

530
00:34:48,220 --> 00:34:52,960
And that message of the master to
humanity, I am come not to judge,

531
00:34:53,060 --> 00:34:57,790
but to love is also the
message of life to your

532
00:34:57,790 --> 00:34:59,870
body. See?

533
00:35:00,070 --> 00:35:03,630
'cause even if you're crazy in your head
and you're thinking about all kinds of

534
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,670
weird things, depressed or,
or, or, uh, confused or,

535
00:35:09,370 --> 00:35:14,190
or dictatorial, autocratic
or whatever, you know,

536
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,500
all the time and you're doing
maybe doing really stupid things,

537
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,620
but life is moving all the
molecules of essential nutrients

538
00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:27,260
that you need in the
various places in your body.

539
00:35:27,970 --> 00:35:31,180
It's moving them to the cells when
they call for it. And you don't,

540
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,060
you actually, you don't have
any conscious control of that.

541
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,460
So it runs your show.

542
00:35:37,340 --> 00:35:40,480
And then the other thing is that
if you bring your awareness,

543
00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:42,080
your focus of awareness

544
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:47,040
inside into the space
that your body occupies,

545
00:35:49,860 --> 00:35:54,820
and you get in touch with that energy,
that that energy is called the master.

546
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:57,300
It's the master within your body.

547
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,700
But that's also what the great
masters were in touch with.

548
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,100
And they talked from and
talked to in other people.

549
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,580
Oh my God. It's like the whole
thing completely fits together,

550
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:15,070
right? And uh,

551
00:36:15,220 --> 00:36:16,670
when you look at, when you look at,

552
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:20,470
you're talking about how you
started doing your podcast from,

553
00:36:20,620 --> 00:36:24,550
from some nasty shootings
that happened, right?

554
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:29,350
Well, when you look at all of the things
in the world that are not working,

555
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:33,320
they all come from our disconnection

556
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:38,940
from the master that is unconditional love

557
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:44,810
inside of every human being.
Just being out of touch. Now,

558
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:47,970
that's a natural process.
It's a natural, normal,

559
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,970
necessary process because when
you're in your mother's womb,

560
00:36:54,970 --> 00:36:59,960
there's nothing to do. There's nowhere
to go. Everything's taken care of.

561
00:37:00,540 --> 00:37:03,360
And it's pretty safe. So
while you're in there,

562
00:37:03,380 --> 00:37:04,880
you don't even know there's a mother.

563
00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:07,680
You don't even know there's an
outside world. You have no words.

564
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:09,480
You have no culture, you have no religion.

565
00:37:09,740 --> 00:37:13,680
You're just a little biological
creature. And your focus,

566
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,200
because this had nowhere to go,

567
00:37:15,630 --> 00:37:18,960
your focus of awareness is at rest inside,

568
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:23,200
in its source within the space.

569
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,000
Your body occupies in life
and beyond that in awareness.

570
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:31,560
So you're in there for nine months
if you're a normal term baby,

571
00:37:31,980 --> 00:37:36,040
and you're in deep meditation, 'cause
there's nothing to do and nowhere to go.

572
00:37:36,380 --> 00:37:40,450
So you're in deep meditation and then
you come out and now you have to get to

573
00:37:40,450 --> 00:37:43,690
know the world because you
have to survive. You have
to figure out very quickly,

574
00:37:44,190 --> 00:37:48,010
is it friend, is it enemy or is it
irrelevant? As soon as something changes,

575
00:37:48,190 --> 00:37:51,930
you are attracted to that. That's
how people control you. By,

576
00:37:52,990 --> 00:37:57,490
by moving things around.
'cause it attracts your, for,

577
00:37:57,870 --> 00:38:00,130
it attracts your, uh,

578
00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:04,450
focus outward to the change,
to, to make an assessment.

579
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:08,450
So you can figure out, should I run,
should I embrace it or should I ignore it?

580
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:11,970
And so, in the process of
getting to know the world,

581
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,660
our focus goes out. It goes
from being present inside and,

582
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,700
and, and absent outside.

583
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,420
Now it goes to being present
outside and absent inside.

584
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,820
And when we disconnect from that focus
inside, that's where heartache begins.

585
00:38:30,530 --> 00:38:35,260
What I was feeling when I was 17
was the feeling of my disconnection.

586
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,060
And uh, you know, we call it,

587
00:38:38,260 --> 00:38:42,380
I mean we call it loneliness
or blues or heartache

588
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,130
or grief, sorrow, sadness or emptiness.

589
00:38:48,170 --> 00:38:49,970
Restlessness or striving.

590
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:55,250
Longing or wishing,
wanting, hoping, praying.

591
00:38:56,110 --> 00:38:59,290
So there's lots of names for
it. And we name the, the,

592
00:38:59,390 --> 00:39:03,450
we name that feeling by what triggered
it. 'cause we're trying with,

593
00:39:03,450 --> 00:39:08,370
because you know, once we're out there
and our heartaches, we're looking to,

594
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:12,010
to get that connected again,
that's our driving force.

595
00:39:12,970 --> 00:39:16,270
And then we look for an outside
and then things on the outside end.

596
00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:19,910
And when something that you've
put your heart into ends,

597
00:39:21,130 --> 00:39:24,150
you feel that ache in
your heart again. So the,

598
00:39:24,340 --> 00:39:26,190
it's triggered by
something on the outside,

599
00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:29,550
but the cause is your
disconnection from yourself.

600
00:39:30,370 --> 00:39:33,710
And so what came out of that
is when your heart aches,

601
00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:36,550
you don't have to look for
heartache. You, you know,

602
00:39:37,850 --> 00:39:42,390
you get it often enough, but when
your heart aches, sit with it.

603
00:39:44,060 --> 00:39:47,480
You know, we, we don't like it. We,
we like it, it, it's uncomfortable.

604
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:52,000
It's unpleasant, it's
painful. Sometimes, you know,

605
00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:56,200
we might feel like crying, you know,
and boys don't cry, you know, whatever.

606
00:39:56,540 --> 00:39:58,320
You know, when you feel it,

607
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,610
it's actually the greatest gift you've
been given other than being alive because

608
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,690
it's call to come home.
If there wasn't that call,

609
00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:12,890
you'd never find your way home.
It's just like hunger for food,

610
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:18,050
thirst for water, heartache
for wholeness. So,

611
00:40:18,590 --> 00:40:23,530
so sit with it, be gentle with
it. Don't judge it. Just feel it.

612
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,300
Accept it, embrace it.

613
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:32,180
Maybe be grateful for the
fact that it's so powerful and

614
00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:36,420
gets you outta your head grounds
you, puts you into your feeling.

615
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,380
And less than a hairs breath behind
that heartache is your wholeness.

616
00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:46,190
So you're coming home, right?
Every time your heart aches,

617
00:40:46,570 --> 00:40:51,540
you have a chance to come home. You
know, we distract ourselves from it. We,

618
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,380
we ignore it or deny it or try to
explain it away with a bunch of words

619
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,500
or we blame it on other people.

620
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,400
But heartache is our own
disconnection from ourselves and

621
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,000
anything that, and, and, and
we, and, and out of that miss,

622
00:41:09,530 --> 00:41:11,280
often we have trauma in childhood.

623
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:16,440
That's because we get pulled out
into something that's pretty intense.

624
00:41:17,860 --> 00:41:21,560
And that's not our fault. And the
disconnection is not our fault.

625
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:24,920
But finding our way back
is our responsibility.

626
00:41:25,460 --> 00:41:27,600
And when we find our way back to that,

627
00:41:28,340 --> 00:41:33,320
the world changes goes from what
can I do that'll get me taken of to,

628
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:37,560
okay, where can I help? I'm taken
care of. Where can I help? And,

629
00:41:37,740 --> 00:41:42,060
and literally it changes the way
I see the world from wholeness.

630
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:47,020
Peace is everywhere. 'cause peace
is within me. Love is within me.

631
00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:50,780
Inspiration is within me.
When I'm feeling that peace,

632
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:54,820
peace is everywhere. Oh my
God, there's so much peace.

633
00:41:54,930 --> 00:41:58,140
It's always been everywhere.
Why am I looking for peace?

634
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,740
I'm filled with and surrounded by it.

635
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,810
But I only know that when
peace in me is looking.

636
00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:07,730
And that's why is stillness practice,

637
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:11,730
to bring focus inside is so important.

638
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:16,050
If we wanna change what's going on in
the world, if we want a better world,

639
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:21,210
we ha it has to start there because we
can't fix what we've broke in the same

640
00:42:21,220 --> 00:42:25,930
state we were in when we broke it.
We need a, we need a, a better state.

641
00:42:26,910 --> 00:42:30,290
And so basically that's, that's
kind of like the journey.

642
00:42:32,180 --> 00:42:37,120
And you crawl out of the shelter
of the beach and your path

643
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,000
completely changes.

644
00:42:38,370 --> 00:42:42,680
Completely changed. Yeah. Then the next
thing, what happened was this, this,

645
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,670
I mean, I, I was blown away. It
was, I was so blown away. Oh my god,

646
00:42:48,290 --> 00:42:51,630
you know? And it's like, okay,
the question's being answered,

647
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:56,270
what did Jesus feel that made him
be able to do that? Oh my God,

648
00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:58,230
it's within me. Oh my God.

649
00:42:58,350 --> 00:43:02,150
I just experienced it in very
powerfully and very directly.

650
00:43:02,450 --> 00:43:05,030
But then slowly it
became an, uh, a memory.

651
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:10,250
And then my question became, man, I wanna,

652
00:43:10,570 --> 00:43:14,330
I wanna live in that experience on a
moment to moment basis. How do I do that?

653
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:20,440
And that led me to a 14 year old

654
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:25,500
boy who said, the peace you search for
in the world and peace was big for me.

655
00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:27,140
'cause I'm a war baby, right?

656
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,180
The piece you search for
in the world is within you.

657
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,420
And I can reveal you that piece. And then
I was sturdy by that time and I said,

658
00:43:35,420 --> 00:43:39,900
ah, what's a 14 year old gonna
teach me? And I was very skeptical.

659
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,940
And then he basically,
uh, taught a method.

660
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,620
And the method is basically just,
you wanna, you wanna create a space,

661
00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:54,780
you wanna minimize your distractions.

662
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,060
And you can do that by closing your
eyes, by wearing earplugs. You know,

663
00:44:00,060 --> 00:44:04,340
there's all different ways of doing
that. And then you want to see, I mean,

664
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,460
and this is not what he teaches, but
this is my, my ver my version of it. So,

665
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,020
so you take time in a, in
a safe place every day,

666
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,660
and you ask yourself, how
still, how still can I become?

667
00:44:20,850 --> 00:44:22,110
How, how still can I be?

668
00:44:23,290 --> 00:44:25,910
And then how deep can I
go into that stillness?

669
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:29,320
Then how long can I stay there?

670
00:44:31,540 --> 00:44:35,910
What is there in that stillness? You can
see something, you can hear something,

671
00:44:35,930 --> 00:44:40,750
you can feel something. You know
what, what is in the stillness,

672
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:45,270
in the space that my body
occupies and then breathe.

673
00:44:45,290 --> 00:44:50,210
You can breathe slowly and lightly
and just observe what's there.

674
00:44:51,090 --> 00:44:55,030
And the more you do it, the better
you get at it. And the deeper you go,

675
00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:56,190
the more you experience.

676
00:44:56,490 --> 00:45:00,790
And that is where you make your
reconnection to the energy.

677
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:05,790
Because that energy, that is the
master, that is solar energy,

678
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:11,310
that is you, you are actually
that energy. You are not the body.

679
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:16,430
You know, if I said to you, Hey, Susan,
yeah, point Susan, whose body is that?

680
00:45:17,550 --> 00:45:20,990
I would say, this is who
I'm occupying at the moment.

681
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:24,790
<Laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. So, but most
people would say, this is my body,

682
00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:28,640
you know, because depends if
you go really deep, you're,

683
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,760
you're not so much identified with the
body anymore. But most people would say,

684
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,920
this is my body. But when they say
that, they're saying, I'm not the body.

685
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:40,400
This is my body. My the
body is my property.

686
00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:44,240
Well then who are you as
the owner of the body? Oh,

687
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:49,220
life owns the body, life builds,

688
00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:53,370
maintains, repairs the body lifelong

689
00:45:53,390 --> 00:45:58,290
24 7, 365, lifelong. Right?
And you are actually,

690
00:45:58,750 --> 00:46:03,610
in your individual essence, you are
that life energy that is solar energy,

691
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,050
that is the master. Every
eight, 8 billion people.

692
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:11,760
That's human nature. But
that's not taught in biology.

693
00:46:11,980 --> 00:46:15,040
And that's not taught in psychology.
And that's not taught in medicine.

694
00:46:15,420 --> 00:46:18,080
And that's not <laugh> and
that's not taught in science.

695
00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:20,560
Who is the 14 year old? I'm curious.

696
00:46:21,810 --> 00:46:25,380
Well, by now he's 65 <laugh>.

697
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,100
So he's still going around talking
about peace, right? And, uh,

698
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,390
his name is prem robot. And
he showed me method. So,

699
00:46:35,570 --> 00:46:39,030
and then he said, you know, I, I
thought, oh yeah, that's too simple. I,

700
00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:40,950
I thought the method was too
simple. 'cause, you know,

701
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:45,110
it took a lot to get to the moon,
but we hadn't made it to peace yet.

702
00:46:45,110 --> 00:46:47,630
So I figured going, getting to peace

703
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:52,810
was more complicated than going to
the moon. It turns out not to be true,

704
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:55,890
but that's how I thought. And then
he said, well, give it a given,

705
00:46:55,890 --> 00:46:56,590
it a fair chance.

706
00:46:56,590 --> 00:47:00,970
And I found out that I would
get into arguments with my ex,

707
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:06,050
my then lady, right? And I would just,

708
00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:09,410
eventually, they would go so
heated, just like <laugh>,

709
00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:11,490
just like all the thing I
complained about in Germany.

710
00:47:12,010 --> 00:47:13,450
I was totally into it too, right?

711
00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:18,290
And I go outside and sit on a log and
do the practice for five or 10 minutes.

712
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:22,290
He suggested an hour. I couldn't
sit still that long, you know,

713
00:47:22,290 --> 00:47:26,410
five or 10 minutes. And within five or
10 minutes of just doing the practice,

714
00:47:27,610 --> 00:47:31,150
I say, we argued about
that, that's stupid.

715
00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:35,430
And I learned that if I did the
practice before the argument started,

716
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:39,900
I wouldn't rise to the bait. And by
the time six months were up, I said,

717
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:44,240
oh shit, this works. This works. So I've
been doing it for over 50 years now,

718
00:47:44,740 --> 00:47:47,950
and it just gets deeper and deeper
and it's more and more beautiful.

719
00:47:48,370 --> 00:47:52,990
And there's something in
us that never dies. And I,

720
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:57,790
I am, I'm in touch with it. And
that energy is also perfect health.

721
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,340
You know, it's also what heals
you when you, when you get sick.

722
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,260
And a lot of how we make ourselves
sick is because we don't feel

723
00:48:07,590 --> 00:48:12,130
loved. We don't feel inspired,
we don't feel lit up.

724
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:16,410
We don't feel content. And
so then we do stupid things.

725
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:19,610
We think stupid things that
get in the way of health.

726
00:48:19,790 --> 00:48:22,610
And then we do stupid things
that get in the way of health.

727
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,570
Because if I'm bummed out enough,
you know, and it's like, uh,

728
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:32,130
uh, I don't know, you know, eating, uh,
eating better. Uh, it's just too much.

729
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,570
It's just too much work. Uh, you
know, and then I react to stuff,

730
00:48:36,590 --> 00:48:40,890
and then I do do stupid behaviors.
But when I feel inspired and lit up,

731
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,730
I'll just do whatever I need
to do to have the longest,

732
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:47,650
most incredible life
because it's so incredible.

733
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:50,330
And then making changes in
behavior are not that hard.

734
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,740
So that's, that's a kind of,
uh, that's sort of, that's,

735
00:48:56,740 --> 00:48:59,980
that's the complete story,
right? And now I, you know,

736
00:48:59,980 --> 00:49:04,260
basically what I'm doing for the
rest of my life is have these kind of

737
00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:08,960
conversations. How important is
it for us to be fully present

738
00:49:11,230 --> 00:49:13,890
in all of our being and our surroundings?

739
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:20,150
Because we're, we're filled with
peace and love and inspiration.

740
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,350
We're surrounded by peace
and love and inspiration.

741
00:49:23,130 --> 00:49:27,950
And if we can get in touch with that
in us, then we can see it in the world.

742
00:49:28,090 --> 00:49:30,670
And we can live into that kind of a world.

743
00:49:30,730 --> 00:49:35,390
And we'll live into that world very
different from when we're angry and see

744
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:38,470
enemies everywhere, or we're afraid
and we see danger everywhere.

745
00:49:39,380 --> 00:49:42,400
So state of being is the most
important thing. It's like,

746
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:47,360
it's like it's you state of
being is you and state of being

747
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,760
determines how you, you know, how you
feel, how you think, what you say,

748
00:49:52,830 --> 00:49:55,080
what you do, and the outcome
of what you're doing.

749
00:49:56,430 --> 00:49:58,640
Have you written a book about this?
I know you've written several.

750
00:49:59,030 --> 00:50:03,000
I've, uh, I've got
10,000 pages of notes. I,

751
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,240
I like doing this live best

752
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,210
because words go in your head.

753
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:14,310
And what I'm trying to do is talk
from the talk, talk from the heart,

754
00:50:15,020 --> 00:50:16,470
talk from feeling the heart.

755
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:25,250
So I don't know if a book will come
out of it. Is it, is it worth reading?

756
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,840
It's worth reading. I
have lots of, lots of,

757
00:50:27,870 --> 00:50:32,680
lots of cool insights because when
you're in that space, you also,

758
00:50:33,460 --> 00:50:37,360
you, you get insights. You know, people
ask, well, I'm looking for my purpose.

759
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:41,680
What's my purpose? You know, what
am I here for? Well, first of all,

760
00:50:41,740 --> 00:50:44,000
get get in touch with yourself

761
00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:50,470
and you'll discover that the purpose is
already there and it has to something

762
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:55,190
to do with shining love into the world.
That's the hero's journey. You know,

763
00:50:55,190 --> 00:51:00,070
you go through all of your stuff, you
come back home, you fight the dragons,

764
00:51:00,070 --> 00:51:03,150
you win the battle, you get the
treasure. What is the treasure?

765
00:51:03,210 --> 00:51:05,110
The treasure is always based on love.

766
00:51:05,810 --> 00:51:08,150
And then you bring that
treasure back to your community

767
00:51:10,030 --> 00:51:11,370
and that becomes your gift

768
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,790
From your journey to your community,
what are your thoughts on death?

769
00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:23,560
Death. Well, the body is
not, the body is not life.

770
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,820
The body is a shell when life,

771
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,750
which can never die. 'cause it's formless.

772
00:51:32,140 --> 00:51:37,070
When life separates from the body,
then the body falls down because the,

773
00:51:37,570 --> 00:51:41,390
the power is gone, right? The
all powerful life is gone.

774
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:45,460
That's what we call death, you know,

775
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,540
but we say we're alive
because we got that backwards.

776
00:51:50,070 --> 00:51:52,260
We're actually life in human form.

777
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:57,760
And a dog is life in dog form. And
a tree is, is life in tree form,

778
00:51:58,580 --> 00:52:03,230
and a bug is life in bug
form. And we are not the form.

779
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,940
So fundamentally, if,
if I know that I'm life,

780
00:52:09,970 --> 00:52:14,300
that I am that energy, one day
the body falls off of it <laugh>.

781
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,780
And nothing happens to me because
I'm not the body right now,

782
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,900
the right now life's project
is, is running my body.

783
00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:25,850
Right? When, when it's, when it's not,

784
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,050
when it's time to not
run the body anymore,

785
00:52:28,050 --> 00:52:32,960
then life is just freed from that
and does what energy does without a

786
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,660
body. Yeah. But it doesn't go
anywhere. It doesn't do anything.

787
00:52:37,730 --> 00:52:41,620
It's, I mean, you people say, oh, you
die and then it's over. Yeah. Well,

788
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,740
the energy that's in you, what happens
to that energy? You can't just,

789
00:52:46,740 --> 00:52:51,220
like, it just doesn't just like
vaporize and disappear into nothing.

790
00:52:51,490 --> 00:52:55,140
That energy is still around.
And some people say they see it,

791
00:52:55,290 --> 00:52:58,920
they see it leaving. I don't know if
that's true or not. I've never seen that,

792
00:52:59,660 --> 00:53:03,480
you know, but, but that energy is
still energy and the awareness,

793
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,550
you know, your body's
not aware. That awareness

794
00:53:10,420 --> 00:53:14,510
also separates from your body.
So now your body's not aware,

795
00:53:14,610 --> 00:53:19,470
you can kick it and there's no
response, right? So, but we do,

796
00:53:19,470 --> 00:53:22,630
we do so much of, oh yeah, what
happens when I die? You know,

797
00:53:22,650 --> 00:53:26,170
that's because it's all
head trips, you know,

798
00:53:26,170 --> 00:53:28,130
they're all head trips
because we don't know,

799
00:53:28,130 --> 00:53:31,570
because we're not doing the homework.
The homework is coming home.

800
00:53:32,190 --> 00:53:37,130
The heartache is, is the, is the
invitation to do our magnificent homework.

801
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:42,820
Right? And when you do the homework,
death is not a big deal. Happens, happens,

802
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,820
you know, you, you are here. I, you
know, see, you didn't live for four,

803
00:53:46,820 --> 00:53:51,300
4 billion years or however long, 14
billion years, you were not alive,

804
00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:56,080
right? You didn't exist. And
then you get a hundred years,

805
00:53:57,460 --> 00:54:02,040
and then for however long time is gonna
go on after that, you don't exist again.

806
00:54:03,780 --> 00:54:07,840
So here you are, this is the
holiday, this is the gift,

807
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:12,840
this is the, this is, this is
the, this is the magnificent gift.

808
00:54:13,940 --> 00:54:18,120
If you don't unpack it and you don't get
fully present in all of your beating,

809
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:22,720
you are wasting the gift because
nobody else can, can enjoy it for you.

810
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:28,380
So not doing that homework is selfish.
You know, people sometimes say,

811
00:54:28,670 --> 00:54:32,180
doing the homework is selfish,
but actually not doing
the homework is selfish.

812
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,300
And then when you do the homework and
you're fully present in all of your being,

813
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,940
you have insight and you have talents
that you didn't even dream you had.

814
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,540
And you're literally in touch with all
of what you're, what is possible for you.

815
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,820
And so then you can help
in lots of different ways.

816
00:54:49,650 --> 00:54:51,980
Sometimes it's by talking,
sometimes by running,

817
00:54:51,980 --> 00:54:55,940
sometimes it's by doing something. You
know, sometimes it's by writing a book.

818
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:58,540
Maybe I will write that book.
You know, never know, right?

819
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,500
But anything becomes possible
because you are so much more

820
00:55:05,870 --> 00:55:08,160
than the restricted little

821
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:14,660
skills you've learned in your head
from being in a restricted place

822
00:55:15,110 --> 00:55:20,060
where your magnificence and your
awesomeness and your life were not

823
00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:20,893
acknowledged.

824
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:22,500
For me,

825
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:27,310
I believe personally in that our

826
00:55:27,310 --> 00:55:31,630
entire lifetime, if we're lucky, we learn
it early, but, or we remember early.

827
00:55:31,690 --> 00:55:35,310
But I feel like we are in a state
of remembering if we're, if,

828
00:55:35,610 --> 00:55:39,830
if we understand that remembering,
that's a really beautiful thing.

829
00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:43,390
And I think, I believe that
our energy of who we are,

830
00:55:43,530 --> 00:55:46,870
our true essence that gets
shoved into these shells,

831
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,990
keeps coming back to do the
remembering in a different capacity,

832
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:57,070
in a different shell, in a different
experience. For all I know planet. Yeah.

833
00:55:57,110 --> 00:56:01,990
I I have no idea. That's well beyond
my pay grade. Yeah. Yeah. I have a.

834
00:56:02,180 --> 00:56:03,013
Mine too.

835
00:56:03,140 --> 00:56:05,070
Yeah. I have a feeling. Yeah.

836
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:09,270
I believe as well as you do in
the transmogrification of energy.

837
00:56:09,890 --> 00:56:11,190
And so for me,

838
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:15,950
and it's non-linear and it's very hard

839
00:56:16,620 --> 00:56:21,470
once when we are in corpus
to really wrap around the

840
00:56:21,470 --> 00:56:25,240
ideas, but it's a sense more than
anything. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>,

841
00:56:25,310 --> 00:56:29,160
it's a feeling Yeah. That I,
that I cherish and that I have,

842
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:33,000
and that I am forgetful of. I
remember mm-hmm. <affirmative>,

843
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,920
and then I'll forget, and then I
remember. Yeah. That's how I see it. Yeah.

844
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:42,440
Well, I have no experience
regarding reincarnation,

845
00:56:42,660 --> 00:56:45,880
but I have some questions
about it. It goes like this,

846
00:56:46,820 --> 00:56:51,320
in a lifetime of a hundred years, if you
drink your three liters of water a day,

847
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,240
110,

848
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,120
110 tons of water go through your body,

849
00:56:58,420 --> 00:57:00,640
you are like a little
waterfall. You know, you, you,

850
00:57:00,660 --> 00:57:03,760
you pour the water in the top and then
you drain it out the bottom right?

851
00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:05,760
Or you sweat it out or whatever, right?

852
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:09,520
But there's 110 tons of water.

853
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:12,160
It's about four tons of nutrients.

854
00:57:12,750 --> 00:57:17,320
There's about 18 tons of oxygen go through
your body so that everything in your

855
00:57:17,420 --> 00:57:19,360
body's always turning over.

856
00:57:20,420 --> 00:57:25,240
And the energy that keeps you alive is
also a flow of solar energy through your

857
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,560
body. So which one of those gets
reincarnated? All of it is in fluxx.

858
00:57:29,940 --> 00:57:32,400
All of it is in flow, you know, which,

859
00:57:32,610 --> 00:57:37,210
which a hundred pounds of water
are going to be, you know,

860
00:57:37,210 --> 00:57:41,720
because we're not static. We're,
we're, we're a flow. Everything in,

861
00:57:41,820 --> 00:57:42,960
in our body is a,

862
00:57:42,980 --> 00:57:47,040
is a flow in the first place except for
the peace that is the foundation of it.

863
00:57:48,220 --> 00:57:50,160
And so and so, um,

864
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:54,120
so to understand how I come back,

865
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,860
is it like a personality or is it
an energy or is it water or is it a

866
00:58:01,860 --> 00:58:06,700
particular kind of body? And I don't
have, I don't have an answer for that,

867
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:11,870
but I, I can't picture it,
right? And so, you know,

868
00:58:11,870 --> 00:58:16,870
for me, I, I, I don't, I I just
know that when I'm present in the,

869
00:58:16,930 --> 00:58:21,920
in that energy, everything's
fine. Whether I come back or not,

870
00:58:22,070 --> 00:58:26,760
doesn't matter whether, you know,
what happens after I, after I leave,

871
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,880
I, I have a pretty good sense of that
because I know what that energy is like.

872
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:35,680
So I, in, in that sense, I'm all
already living in an eternal life.

873
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,560
I, I mean this is so interesting
to me. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

874
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:45,910
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know what? That's
what we're missing. That's every,

875
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,230
every one of the great masters said,
put that first. Do that first. You know,

876
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:53,150
whether it seek first
the kingdom of heaven,

877
00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:55,910
kingdom of heaven is
within you. They said,

878
00:58:56,420 --> 00:59:00,750
seek first the kingdom of heaven
where God lives that's inside of you.

879
00:59:01,450 --> 00:59:04,230
Do that first and everything else
will start to fall into place.

880
00:59:04,580 --> 00:59:07,190
They didn't say it that way, but
that's pretty much what they said.

881
00:59:07,450 --> 00:59:11,070
And what we do and what humanity has
always done, we've always done it last.

882
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,510
We've always let done it to last.
When we run out of distractions,

883
00:59:16,130 --> 00:59:17,630
all the things we try in the world,

884
00:59:17,650 --> 00:59:22,440
and then finally eventually sums out
like there's still something, you know,

885
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:25,640
I've done everything and, uh,
maybe I need to come home.

886
00:59:26,140 --> 00:59:27,400
Not only do we do it last,

887
00:59:27,620 --> 00:59:31,920
but we also convince other people
that they can't get it without us.

888
00:59:32,410 --> 00:59:35,880
Hence religions who say, yeah,
yeah, yeah, you can find God,

889
00:59:35,940 --> 00:59:40,720
but only through my me, like a
priest or whatever it is. Yeah.

890
00:59:40,820 --> 00:59:42,640
That's not what the master ever said.

891
00:59:43,180 --> 00:59:46,160
Of course not <laugh>. No, I'm
saying that's, that's what they,

892
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,200
that's what mankind tries
to say. And I argue for the,

893
00:59:50,380 --> 00:59:51,640
the temple of God is within,

894
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:56,200
I believe we are all aspects of
God understanding itself. Yeah.

895
00:59:56,220 --> 00:59:58,120
The body, the body is the temple.

896
00:59:58,670 --> 01:00:00,040
Yeah. I I believe that's.

897
01:00:00,140 --> 01:00:03,000
And, and, and God lives
in the temple in form of,

898
01:00:03,020 --> 01:00:05,760
in the form of awareness or
in the form of energy, what,

899
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,520
however you wanna define that. Yeah.

900
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,760
And that's true for
every living human being,

901
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,440
including everybody who's in
jail for whatever they did,

902
01:00:12,460 --> 01:00:16,440
and including everybody who runs a
country in whatever way they do. And,

903
01:00:16,940 --> 01:00:20,920
and everybody who's a politician and
everybody who's honest and everybody who's

904
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,960
crooked, but you've,

905
01:00:23,060 --> 01:00:27,960
the difference between honest and
crooked is there's a tendency that people

906
01:00:28,060 --> 01:00:32,800
who are more in touch with their actual
nature tend to be more honest because

907
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,560
they don't have a whole bunch of other
things they wanna prove to get more

908
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,040
stuff, to try and make
themselves feel better.

909
01:00:40,180 --> 01:00:43,720
And that's where all of our crime
comes from, is because, you know,

910
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,200
it's kind of like a person gets
really frustrated. They don't feel,

911
01:00:47,350 --> 01:00:50,320
they don't feel peace, they
don't feel loved, you know,

912
01:00:50,340 --> 01:00:53,880
and they get somehow something
happens and they get it in their head.

913
01:00:53,940 --> 01:00:58,240
If this person was gone, I would be
better off or I would be happier.

914
01:00:58,620 --> 01:01:01,880
And then they kill somebody. Now,
they're not doing it consciously, but,

915
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:02,900
but that's,

916
01:01:02,900 --> 01:01:07,880
that's the subconscious con
conversation they have with themselves.

917
01:01:08,060 --> 01:01:11,480
Or the country says if we take
part of Poland, you know, then we,

918
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:15,520
then we will be a better Germany,
or we take, we get Latvia,

919
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,120
then we'll be a better
Soviet Union, you know? So,

920
01:01:18,180 --> 01:01:22,400
or if we can get the land where all this
stuff grows and we can steal it from

921
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,000
those guys, and because we're bigger,

922
01:01:24,060 --> 01:01:27,400
we can just take it from them and beat
'em up if they don't want to give it to

923
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,840
us, you know, that all
comes from discontent.

924
01:01:30,410 --> 01:01:35,400
Everything that's wrong in the world
comes from our disconnection from

925
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:36,360
ourselves. Yeah.

926
01:01:36,420 --> 01:01:41,200
And that's why the cure for every
problem on the planet is first do your

927
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,430
homework, and then once
you do your homework,

928
01:01:44,430 --> 01:01:46,190
then you can actually help
to create a better world.

929
01:01:46,490 --> 01:01:47,630
But if you haven't done your homework,

930
01:01:47,810 --> 01:01:50,790
you're just gonna live in frustration
and you're just gonna do more damage,

931
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,590
don't come to me with big solutions.
You know, clean up your own shit first.

932
01:01:55,150 --> 01:01:55,983
<laugh>.

933
01:01:56,420 --> 01:01:59,510
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Tell
people how they might find you.

934
01:02:00,330 --> 01:02:04,950
Uh, well I've, I do other stuff
too. I'm, I'm best known for, uh,

935
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,910
being the creator of flax seed
oil. That was my invention, 1986.

936
01:02:11,010 --> 01:02:13,670
And, uh, I work with, uh, oils, uh,

937
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:16,710
something better than flax oil
because flax oil is poorly balanced.

938
01:02:17,330 --> 01:02:20,110
We could do a whole other show
on, on, on that stuff if you want.

939
01:02:20,350 --> 01:02:22,880
Yeah. We'll have to do another
one, a part two. Let's.

940
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,640
Let's do it. Yeah. And, uh,

941
01:02:24,820 --> 01:02:27,440
and I work with digestion
and enzymes and probiotics.

942
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,800
Those are the most neglected areas
of nutrition and huge benefits.

943
01:02:31,820 --> 01:02:35,540
But this is for the physical, you
know, right now we're talking energy.

944
01:02:36,250 --> 01:02:40,740
That would be the physical one.
And, uh, that one is@udochoice.com,

945
01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:46,100
u d o s choice.com because
Udo is my first name. Right.

946
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:51,420
And then I have another website that is
a total work in progress, and that's,

947
01:02:51,420 --> 01:02:56,100
uh, at the udo.com. If
you go on Google, uh,

948
01:02:56,380 --> 01:02:58,060
I do quite a few podcasts.

949
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:03,300
If you go to udo erasmus
slash podcast or podcast slash

950
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:04,353
udo erasmus,

951
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,260
you'll find some other podcasts that
I've done on these various topics.

952
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:14,240
And, uh, I'm on LinkedIn,
I'm on Facebook, I'm on, um,

953
01:03:17,810 --> 01:03:21,460
Instagram. I have a, I
have a YouTube channel,

954
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:27,460
uh, so I'm not hard to find. If you go
on Google and just punch in Udo u d o,

955
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,020
you'll find me on the first page.

956
01:03:29,220 --> 01:03:30,780
'cause there are very
few Udo's on this planet.

957
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:32,770
Udo.

958
01:03:32,770 --> 01:03:37,620
I'll put all those rasmus human
podcast.com for people also to find them

959
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:41,500
quite easily. Perfect. And I would love
to call you back to talk about the body.

960
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:46,780
Yep. Wonderful. Thank you so much
for being here today. All right.

961
01:03:46,910 --> 01:03:50,020
Thank you everybody for
listening. Bye. Thanks.

962
01:03:50,020 --> 01:03:51,100
Susan. Thanks.

963
01:03:55,930 --> 01:03:58,300
Rate review and subscribe to Hey,

964
01:03:58,300 --> 01:04:03,060
human Podcast on iTunes or wherever
you get your podcast. Thanks. Bye.