1 00:00:08,220 --> 00:00:10,920 Hey, humans. How's it going? Susan Ruth here. 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,280 Thanks for listening to another episode of Hey Human Podcast. 3 00:00:15,950 --> 00:00:17,960 This is episode 374, 4 00:00:18,300 --> 00:00:21,000 and I had a conversation with Darrell Lamont Jenkins. 5 00:00:21,670 --> 00:00:25,760 Darrell is the founder and executive director of The One Peoples Project. 6 00:00:26,270 --> 00:00:28,640 Growing up in the punk rock music scene, 7 00:00:28,660 --> 00:00:31,400 he was entrenched early on in political activism, 8 00:00:32,460 --> 00:00:35,840 and he founded one people's project to 9 00:00:37,300 --> 00:00:39,920 go up against alt-right groups and hate groups. 10 00:00:40,620 --> 00:00:45,440 He gained a reputation of publicly documenting these groups and has helped 11 00:00:46,310 --> 00:00:50,000 Neo-Nazis leave those circles. He's also a producer, 12 00:00:50,150 --> 00:00:53,800 most Notably Skin, which was based on erasing, 13 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:58,720 hate the story of another former Hey, human guest, Brian Weidner. 14 00:00:59,110 --> 00:01:00,680 That was episode 31. 15 00:01:01,390 --> 00:01:06,360 Darrell Self-identifies as Antifa and as an anarchist, 16 00:01:07,060 --> 00:01:11,320 really interesting conversation and his story. Super fascinating. 17 00:01:12,170 --> 00:01:15,000 Check out, Hey, human podcast.com for links. 18 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,440 And to learn more about my guests in the show, check out Susan ruth.com. 19 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:23,520 To learn more about me and my other artistic endeavors, follow Susan Ruth. 20 00:01:23,820 --> 00:01:28,240 And hey, human podcast on social media. Find my albums on Spotify, 21 00:01:28,370 --> 00:01:31,520 apple music, Amazon music, or wherever you get your music. 22 00:01:32,300 --> 00:01:34,960 And look for my albums. All I ever wanted was everything. 23 00:01:35,020 --> 00:01:36,920 How to Say Goodbye Servicing to Breathe. 24 00:01:37,270 --> 00:01:39,320 They're all out there in the music places. 25 00:01:40,170 --> 00:01:43,840 Check out my relationships and sex show with sexologists and healthcare 26 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,760 practitioner, Mara Edelman. It's on YouTube. Under Are We There yet? 27 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,320 Podcast show rate review, and subscribe to Hey, 28 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,000 human podcast on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. 29 00:01:55,180 --> 00:01:59,440 And thank you for listening. Be well. Take care of each other, 30 00:01:59,670 --> 00:02:03,440 lift each other up, be kind. And here we go. 31 00:02:05,710 --> 00:02:08,490 Darryl, Lamont, Jenkins, welcome to Hey, human Podcast. 32 00:02:09,700 --> 00:02:13,530 Hello everybody. Hello, Susan. It's good to see you. 33 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:15,553 Same, same. 34 00:02:16,290 --> 00:02:19,010 I learned about you actually, a few years ago. 35 00:02:19,370 --> 00:02:23,810 I had interviewed Brian Weidner and he spoke of you 36 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,730 very highly and said how amazing you are. And I put it in my notes, 37 00:02:29,070 --> 00:02:33,970 and I was going through some paperwork the other day and I thought, oh, 38 00:02:34,110 --> 00:02:36,570 wow, I can't believe I never reached out to him. So. 39 00:02:37,410 --> 00:02:38,850 , uh, that was probably. 40 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,233 Gosh, 41 00:02:40,850 --> 00:02:45,170 I wanna say that was 4, 5, 5 years ago maybe, maybe. 42 00:02:45,170 --> 00:02:47,010 More. Yeah, I would think so. 43 00:02:47,010 --> 00:02:49,450 That that would've been about the time everybody was, um, 44 00:02:50,590 --> 00:02:54,960 working with the two of us. And, uh, and I think, um, 45 00:02:55,110 --> 00:02:59,760 because that was when the movie Skin came out, short film and the, uh, 46 00:02:59,820 --> 00:03:03,890 and the feature, and we were just all over the place around that time. 47 00:03:03,950 --> 00:03:06,690 We was talking about 20 18, 4 or five years ago then. 48 00:03:06,690 --> 00:03:07,480 That sounds about right. 49 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:07,770 Yeah, 50 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:12,490 because I know Saturday's my birthday and on my birthday in 2018, 51 00:03:13,170 --> 00:03:15,490 I was basically doing press for the, um, 52 00:03:16,510 --> 00:03:18,570 for the movie, um, movie. 53 00:03:18,570 --> 00:03:22,250 We was just doing the junk it all up and down New York City, um, 54 00:03:22,300 --> 00:03:25,610 ended up on the Daily Show. We was, we were just having a ball. 55 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,530 Ryan missed all that, unfortunately, because there were just some things that, 56 00:03:29,590 --> 00:03:33,290 uh, they couldn't, um, they couldn't nail down. 57 00:03:33,470 --> 00:03:37,810 But I definitely made sure that everybody remembered that it's his story and 58 00:03:37,810 --> 00:03:42,450 that it was, um, and he, he did get involved in some of the, um, 59 00:03:42,580 --> 00:03:43,850 interviews here and there, 60 00:03:43,990 --> 00:03:47,810 but unfortunately there were things going on in his life, um, 61 00:03:47,810 --> 00:03:51,780 that kept him away from coming to, um, you know, 62 00:03:52,300 --> 00:03:54,620 participating in the junkets and all of that. But, 63 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,420 but he w but he was still very much so responsible 64 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:03,140 for why we were out there in the first place. So , 65 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:08,180 we had to make sure that this is his story and this is who you are going to 66 00:04:08,180 --> 00:04:09,820 learn from the most. Yeah. 67 00:04:09,890 --> 00:04:10,860 Well, happy birthday. 68 00:04:11,170 --> 00:04:14,140 Much appreciated. I thank you. I'm going to go to a, um, 69 00:04:15,180 --> 00:04:18,820 a punk rock show on that day. Um, my friends, um, 70 00:04:18,820 --> 00:04:21,220 there's a band called The Bouncing Souls that, uh, 71 00:04:21,690 --> 00:04:24,500 that are gonna be playing in Jersey, and I'm gonna be there, . 72 00:04:25,020 --> 00:04:27,460 I love it. That's great. What a fun way to spend a birthday. 73 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:28,833 Oh, indeed. 74 00:04:29,350 --> 00:04:33,660 Let's get into your story. Where were you born? Where'd you grow up? 75 00:04:34,740 --> 00:04:37,700 I was born here, well, not here where I'm at right now, but, um, 76 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:42,500 in North New Jersey. I was raised here where I'm at right now. Um, um, 77 00:04:42,620 --> 00:04:46,740 Somerset, New Jersey, uh, you know, had, um, 78 00:04:47,180 --> 00:04:51,940 a father that, uh, that was, that was just basically a teacher, an educator, 79 00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:54,620 a counselor. My mother was a, 80 00:04:55,130 --> 00:04:57,620 also a teacher and a nurse and a missionary. 81 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,060 So you had all these kinds of worlds that were coming in and, 82 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,540 you know, basically being that education was the family business. 83 00:05:06,740 --> 00:05:11,540 'cause it wasn't just us, it was, um, it was also my uncles, um, 84 00:05:11,540 --> 00:05:15,940 my father, my father's brothers. They were all educators. And, you know, 85 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,700 all I did was read World Book Encyclopedia , and, 86 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,980 you know, that was my life. I was the quintessential nerd. 87 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,780 It was World Book in the House. So that's what I read, and that's what I mean, 88 00:05:29,940 --> 00:05:31,500 I just read it religiously. 89 00:05:31,620 --> 00:05:34,340 I shouldn't say religiously because mom would probably get upset about that, 90 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,820 but it should be reading the Bible religiously. But . 91 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,940 Did you have a, a very religious home then with your mom's influence? 92 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,420 Or was it Yes. More grounded in education? Yeah. Okay. 93 00:05:46,420 --> 00:05:50,660 Education. Yes, both. Both because, um, you know, 94 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,340 my mother made sure that our spiritual soul was in check and, um, 95 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,000 mom and dad made sure that, um, the educational, 96 00:05:58,260 --> 00:06:02,400 the not knowledge soul was there too. So, um, you know, I mean, it, 97 00:06:02,420 --> 00:06:06,200 it was important and it still is, it still, it really still is. Um, 98 00:06:07,380 --> 00:06:11,000 it help, uh, it also helps me whenever I have to deal with some of these, um, 99 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,000 religious whack jobs who, um, 100 00:06:13,540 --> 00:06:17,640 for what it's worth or bearing fault witness out there to try as they try to 101 00:06:18,110 --> 00:06:21,960 undermine everybody's freedoms and liberties to think for themselves as they 102 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,960 were allowed to. So it was, 103 00:06:24,070 --> 00:06:28,240 it's really important to maintain that spirituality and such for myself, 104 00:06:28,380 --> 00:06:32,720 not just for some sort of political tactic, but also to make sure that you know, 105 00:06:32,910 --> 00:06:36,960 your soul straight. That, um, you are going to be 106 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,730 good for the rest of your life and beyond, you know, that it, it is important. 107 00:06:43,710 --> 00:06:48,410 The work you do now is caring to make sure that the 108 00:06:48,410 --> 00:06:51,290 people who are marginalized or people who aren't represented right, 109 00:06:51,470 --> 00:06:54,610 or people who are, as you said, 110 00:06:55,110 --> 00:06:59,730 trying to just live their lives freely and come up against those who wish to 111 00:06:59,730 --> 00:07:03,850 oppress them. When you were a, a little kid and growing up in your house, 112 00:07:04,230 --> 00:07:06,730 was there a concept of that also, 113 00:07:06,730 --> 00:07:08,130 or is that something you learned as you got older? 114 00:07:08,910 --> 00:07:10,930 No, that was a concept of that. I mean, 115 00:07:11,030 --> 00:07:15,250 it wasn't like my parents were politically political or anything like that, 116 00:07:15,430 --> 00:07:20,090 and it shouldn't really be a case of being political to think that way. But, 117 00:07:20,350 --> 00:07:22,890 you know, it was always my, um, 118 00:07:23,430 --> 00:07:28,320 it was always my direction to be 119 00:07:28,370 --> 00:07:33,250 there whenever somebody needed help. I mean, 120 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,850 just recognizing the humanity of everybody, you know, 121 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,730 that was always the way I was. Um, 122 00:07:39,990 --> 00:07:44,450 and I also knew that somewhere down the line I was going to be, um, 123 00:07:45,530 --> 00:07:49,290 fighting for people. I mean, I didn't know how, um, 124 00:07:49,730 --> 00:07:54,690 I just knew that the music that I gravitated towards when I was 125 00:07:54,730 --> 00:07:59,170 a kid, the things that I wanted to watch on tv, um, 126 00:08:01,050 --> 00:08:03,980 they spoke to that, they spoke to, um, 127 00:08:05,850 --> 00:08:10,150 me being driven in that direction. I remember when I was in the seventh grade, 128 00:08:10,430 --> 00:08:12,950 I told people I betted them a hundred dollars, 129 00:08:13,020 --> 00:08:17,470 that I would sue the Klan by the year 2000. Um, didn't sue the Klan, 130 00:08:17,530 --> 00:08:21,310 but I don't think anybody cares if I Welch so . But, 131 00:08:21,530 --> 00:08:22,950 but I made up for, um, 132 00:08:23,410 --> 00:08:26,830 but I most certainly did a number on the Klan and other groups out there, 133 00:08:27,090 --> 00:08:29,390 so I guess that would probably make up for it. . 134 00:08:29,950 --> 00:08:33,190 I think that that makes up for it. What, what made you join the military? 135 00:08:34,530 --> 00:08:37,550 You know, simply my father, um, 136 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:40,510 said it was a good idea because I was looking at college, 137 00:08:41,190 --> 00:08:45,870 I was looking at college, uh, and looking for ways to fund college. 138 00:08:46,170 --> 00:08:50,910 And my father was talking about it was a good way to, um, not only, um, 139 00:08:52,610 --> 00:08:56,600 get money for college, but also, um, get the, 140 00:08:57,260 --> 00:08:58,120 how should I say, um, 141 00:08:58,180 --> 00:09:03,040 get the experience that you were going to need when you apply to jobs and 142 00:09:03,070 --> 00:09:07,640 such. And, um, and that, and that was what I was focused on. Unfortunately, 143 00:09:08,460 --> 00:09:12,240 um, my time in the service was not the most exemplary. Um, 144 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,360 I didn't do the things I wanted to do, 145 00:09:14,500 --> 00:09:16,840 and I didn't do the things they wanted me to do, 146 00:09:17,020 --> 00:09:21,800 so it didn't last long and I was gone. So, um, but I just, 147 00:09:21,830 --> 00:09:23,240 only thing I know to do, uh, 148 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,640 only thing I knew to do from then on was just basically, um, chart my own path, 149 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,400 because that was one of the biggest problems I had. Um, 150 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,840 I didn't feel that, um, 151 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,400 I was in a position to, um, 152 00:09:38,710 --> 00:09:41,600 basically grow within myself. There was, um, 153 00:09:41,730 --> 00:09:45,280 there was nothing there for me in that regard. And, um, 154 00:09:45,420 --> 00:09:49,120 that's the biggest mistake that you can make going into the military thinking 155 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:53,480 that you are going to be an individual. They will always tell you that. But, um, 156 00:09:53,860 --> 00:09:57,240 and, and it, it cost me, you know, um, 157 00:09:57,580 --> 00:10:00,800 dad was a little annoyed by the fact that I didn't tell him I was kicked out 158 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,120 . But, um, 159 00:10:04,020 --> 00:10:08,280 dad is still was still annoyed for years after I, after I left. 160 00:10:08,860 --> 00:10:13,040 But, um, I think I let a lot of people down in the military, 161 00:10:13,050 --> 00:10:16,120 there were people that were relying on me, people that were friends of mine, 162 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,160 people that were, um, fighting for me when I wasn't fighting for myself, 163 00:10:20,300 --> 00:10:21,960 you know? I mean, but most importantly, 164 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:26,540 I had a job to do and I failed to do that job. Um, 165 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,180 and because of that, um, I, you know, I gotta live with that. 166 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:34,140 I gotta live with that. You'll never hear me badmouth soldiers, 167 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,580 you'll never hear me badmouth soldiers. 168 00:10:36,580 --> 00:10:40,580 You'll never really hear me badmouth the military, per se. Um, 169 00:10:40,890 --> 00:10:42,820 even though I'm, I'm a, 170 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,900 I'm a leftist and I do have an issue with the military industrial complex. Um, 171 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,460 you'll never hear me, um, 172 00:10:50,610 --> 00:10:55,460 just dis the service outright. Um, and, and because, 173 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:58,660 and the main reason why is because I think I owe it to them, not to. 174 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:00,420 At that time of your life, 175 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,500 was it more about not really knowing who you were yet as a person? 176 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,540 Or were there other things coming at you? 177 00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:13,580 I think it was more or less a case of I knew what I wanted to do in life very 178 00:11:13,590 --> 00:11:18,140 early on. I just didn't know how to do it. So, you know, 179 00:11:18,530 --> 00:11:21,420 took my father's advice and joined the military to get the leg up. 180 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,860 Now my father was right, let's be real. My father was right. 181 00:11:26,770 --> 00:11:30,420 What my father didn't pick up on is the fact that I didn't wanna do that 182 00:11:30,860 --> 00:11:34,540 . And it was also a matter of, 183 00:11:34,570 --> 00:11:37,660 even if I didn't wanna do it, there was a way to do it within the, 184 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,700 do what I wanted to do in the military, and I did everything wrong. So, 185 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:43,593 you know, 186 00:11:43,820 --> 00:11:48,220 I think it was just really a case of not knowing how to do the things I wanted 187 00:11:48,220 --> 00:11:48,720 to do. 188 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,140 So, and which branch was it? 189 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:55,080 Air Force, the, the Cadillac of the military? It's probably the, um, 190 00:11:55,260 --> 00:11:59,360 the e it was the, it was the service that you would be, 191 00:11:59,900 --> 00:12:00,840 you would try to join. 192 00:12:01,030 --> 00:12:04,520 It's the closest to civilian life that you can get in the military, 193 00:12:04,860 --> 00:12:09,690 to be honest. And, you know, it didn't work out for me regardless. 194 00:12:10,250 --> 00:12:11,090 . Well, what. 195 00:12:11,290 --> 00:12:12,970 Happened next? Where did you go from there? 196 00:12:13,550 --> 00:12:16,450 Oh, I immediately went into college meeting, went into college, 197 00:12:16,780 --> 00:12:21,570 still failed that one, but . But, um, but even with that, 198 00:12:21,830 --> 00:12:25,090 um, even though I didn't, um, do too high in college, 199 00:12:25,810 --> 00:12:30,690 I still was able to find a little bit more of a footing 200 00:12:30,850 --> 00:12:33,090 and of a direction that I want to go into. 201 00:12:33,830 --> 00:12:37,370 So I really wanted to get into media, and, um, 202 00:12:37,430 --> 00:12:39,810 that's what I was trying to do when I was in the military. 203 00:12:39,830 --> 00:12:42,650 And that failed miserably. But I wanted to get into media. 204 00:12:43,070 --> 00:12:47,090 And that ime and that happened the moment I went into, um, 205 00:12:47,230 --> 00:12:51,930 my first class and all that, started getting myself situated by the time, 206 00:12:52,270 --> 00:12:56,050 um, I left the mil, I left the military. By the time I left school, 207 00:12:56,810 --> 00:13:00,490 I was doing public access shows. I was doing, um, 208 00:13:01,770 --> 00:13:05,330 I was doing in the punk scene more or less. Um, 209 00:13:05,490 --> 00:13:08,290 I was not even more or less, more . 210 00:13:08,610 --> 00:13:10,890 I was definitely in the punk scene here in New Jersey, 211 00:13:10,970 --> 00:13:15,690 particularly New Brunswick, New Jersey. And I started, um, 212 00:13:16,860 --> 00:13:20,960 trying to chart a path that was kind of like off the beaten path. 213 00:13:21,980 --> 00:13:24,800 Uh, so I was kind of like in the underground media, 214 00:13:24,820 --> 00:13:27,000 that's where the public access came in. 215 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:32,320 I had a little home video camera where I basically videotaped bands that they 216 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,880 was performing, bands that probably never made it. Some bands did, 217 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,200 like the Bouncing Souls, as I mentioned, um, 218 00:13:38,230 --> 00:13:41,840 interviewed them and did just put 'em on blasts on TV shows that I put together. 219 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:47,760 Did you find yourself drawn to the punk scene because of what that scene 220 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,080 really represents? I think people think of punk music, 221 00:13:50,140 --> 00:13:54,040 and they just think people with shaved heads jumping around in leather and 222 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:54,880 beating each other up. 223 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:59,720 But it's really rooted in folks who are trying to stand up against 224 00:14:01,420 --> 00:14:05,550 overbearing authority. The music is very much people. 225 00:14:06,670 --> 00:14:11,190 I think my, um, my motivation towards, um, 226 00:14:11,820 --> 00:14:13,350 what attracted me, I should say, 227 00:14:13,930 --> 00:14:17,430 is the fact that you can come as you are really, 228 00:14:17,530 --> 00:14:20,870 and that was one of the biggest issues that I had, um, 229 00:14:21,130 --> 00:14:24,270 coming up moment I got into the scene, 230 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,120 I felt like, yeah, 231 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:32,320 I felt like everybody was down to earth enough that I can be a part of it. 232 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,720 I can, um, be one with this crowd because, 'cause beforehand, 233 00:14:37,180 --> 00:14:41,640 you know, I got out of the military and I started trying to hook up with, um, 234 00:14:42,100 --> 00:14:43,640 one music scene after another, 235 00:14:44,140 --> 00:14:48,960 but everybody had put on airs and you couldn't really talk to them unless 236 00:14:48,980 --> 00:14:52,280 you really, um, hung out with them. And, 237 00:14:52,740 --> 00:14:56,600 and a lot of people were really hard to hang out with. And on top of that, 238 00:14:56,660 --> 00:15:01,480 it really wasn't, the really wasn't the style of music that I was going, um, 239 00:15:02,250 --> 00:15:05,920 going for. I mean, yes, I listened to Metal, I listened to hip hop, of course, 240 00:15:06,500 --> 00:15:10,200 but it was more about, you know, 241 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,600 I don't hear me in any of the songs that were really popular at the time, 242 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:19,240 or really, um, what everybody was singing. 243 00:15:19,470 --> 00:15:23,000 When I got into that punk scene, I heard it all. I heard it all. 244 00:15:23,020 --> 00:15:26,160 And the best thing about it is when people got off that stage, 245 00:15:27,470 --> 00:15:29,840 they sat, um, they sat in the au, 246 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,640 they became a part of the audience and cheer the next band on, 247 00:15:33,020 --> 00:15:35,520 and then we all went to somebody's house to chill out. 248 00:15:35,860 --> 00:15:39,480 And then you found out that other people were in bands and they all wanted to 249 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,680 start bands, and you didn't even have to know how to play all that well, 250 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,320 , it was just an opportunity to, 251 00:15:48,980 --> 00:15:53,200 as I said, be who you wanna be, however you wanna be, you came as you are. 252 00:15:53,980 --> 00:15:58,960 And then we got into the political stuff, and then we got into the more, 253 00:15:59,340 --> 00:16:00,173 um, 254 00:16:00,450 --> 00:16:05,280 aggressive nature of how we approached life , 255 00:16:06,020 --> 00:16:09,240 you know, when we, when we can, um, when we was, 256 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,220 you know, you can be critical about, 257 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:18,140 say Ronald Reagan or George Bush and all of that as a Democrat or as an 258 00:16:18,140 --> 00:16:22,660 anarchist. One thing to be critical, another thing to say, okay, 259 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:27,460 so what are we going to do about George Bush? And I went towards, 260 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,310 in the direction of what we were going to do, 261 00:16:31,690 --> 00:16:35,870 not necessarily about George Bush, but also how are we going to, um, 262 00:16:36,140 --> 00:16:38,870 deal with this issue that we have right here. We, um, 263 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,230 we're trying to urge people to, um, 264 00:16:43,010 --> 00:16:46,750 donate money to the, uh, you know, um, 265 00:16:47,420 --> 00:16:49,590 such such fund to, um, 266 00:16:49,780 --> 00:16:52,630 help people eat or something like that. 267 00:16:53,770 --> 00:16:57,560 Or you could start a food bank, yourself. 268 00:16:57,980 --> 00:16:59,120 You don't have to wait for anybody. 269 00:16:59,660 --> 00:17:02,240 That's where I started coming in with the bump scene, 270 00:17:02,470 --> 00:17:05,880 that whole d i y doit Yourself attitude that came along with it, 271 00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:09,400 that was important to me. And that's why, you know, 272 00:17:09,420 --> 00:17:12,200 that's why I called it home. I still call it home. 273 00:17:13,030 --> 00:17:15,170 Did you feel like an underdog growing up at all? 274 00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:19,490 Did you feel like you, your, I mean, 275 00:17:19,490 --> 00:17:23,410 obviously you're a black guy when you were growing up in that era, 276 00:17:24,250 --> 00:17:28,770 I think there was a whole other thing going on. I don't know about New Jersey, 277 00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:33,410 but certainly across the country where there was a lot of marginalization, the, 278 00:17:33,410 --> 00:17:38,010 you know, the, the plan destruction of black communities and all that. 279 00:17:38,110 --> 00:17:39,490 Did you experience any of that? 280 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,530 It's weird because I didn't think of it as, I, 281 00:17:43,690 --> 00:17:48,450 I didn't really consider myself marginalized in that 282 00:17:48,550 --> 00:17:52,760 regard. Not, not that, not that, you know, black people were catching hell. But, 283 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,920 you know, I grew up in the suburbs. I grew up in black suburbs, no less. 284 00:17:56,940 --> 00:18:01,680 So I saw black people doing okay, but I also saw what, um, 285 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,520 things on the news that made you go, okay, 286 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,320 there are people who don't like that all that much. So, 287 00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:11,830 but I wasn't really politically rooted until 288 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,910 after I started reading a little bit more. Um, 289 00:18:16,660 --> 00:18:21,310 Dick Gregory started listening to Whoopi Goldberg a little, um, 290 00:18:21,340 --> 00:18:25,230 when she first came out, public Enemy started coming in. I mean, 291 00:18:25,390 --> 00:18:28,150 I was politically astute, um, 292 00:18:28,610 --> 00:18:32,470 but I really just went above and beyond, um, 293 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,270 after I started hearing people say things that I needed to hear, you know? 294 00:18:37,330 --> 00:18:41,670 And that wasn't until, um, six months before I got kicked out of the military. 295 00:18:42,290 --> 00:18:45,390 So I wonder why that happened. 296 00:18:45,740 --> 00:18:49,030 Well, I was just gonna say, I mean, I can imagine I'm the, 297 00:18:49,290 --> 00:18:51,190 as you spoke to a minute ago, 298 00:18:51,690 --> 00:18:56,110 the military is about creating a hive mind and not about an individual. 299 00:18:56,450 --> 00:18:59,470 If you were an individual in the military, they root that out pretty quickly. 300 00:19:00,220 --> 00:19:01,190 Yeah. Yeah. 301 00:19:01,490 --> 00:19:06,070 So that doesn't surprise me that if you were trying to individualize 302 00:19:06,130 --> 00:19:09,310 within that system, that doesn't really mesh well. 303 00:19:10,140 --> 00:19:12,910 It's weird because August 11th, um, 304 00:19:13,410 --> 00:19:16,470 of this year is gonna be the 50th anniversary of hip hop. 305 00:19:17,610 --> 00:19:21,550 August 11th, 1988, I was in Col 306 00:19:23,230 --> 00:19:26,570 and I saw basically the history of hip hop. You had 307 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:33,190 onic come on stage. I was actually in, um, 308 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:36,830 serving in the military with, um, 309 00:19:36,890 --> 00:19:41,730 the brother of someone from Stetsasonic Daddy's brother. And, 310 00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:46,560 uh, so there was that. Then you had E P M D, 311 00:19:46,620 --> 00:19:51,600 who I was, um, who, who just started coming up, just started, um, coming up. 312 00:19:52,030 --> 00:19:54,800 They started putting the banner up for Public Enemy. 313 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,640 Everybody was wondering who Public Enemy was. They didn't know. 314 00:19:57,700 --> 00:20:01,400 And everybody was just waiting to see what they would sound like, and they, 315 00:20:02,140 --> 00:20:06,660 we all didn't know what the hell hit us after that. 316 00:20:06,980 --> 00:20:08,380 . Yeah, for sure. 317 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,020 And that was the turning point, . And then, you know, 318 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,860 it was actually Run D M C's show, um, you know, 319 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,700 DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Princes came on after, um, after, um, public Enemy, 320 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,700 and they definitely tore it up. Um, one D M C tore it up, but I came, I, 321 00:20:26,860 --> 00:20:31,340 I was going home thinking, um, you know, uh, the Public Enemy, 322 00:20:31,700 --> 00:20:34,420 Public Enemy to this day is my favorite, um, 323 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,180 my favorite hip hop crew of all times. So this is like, 324 00:20:38,740 --> 00:20:40,260 I was so glad I went to that show. 325 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:45,260 But that show pretty much got me kicked out of the military because my 326 00:20:45,620 --> 00:20:50,040 attitude changed. I got in trouble. I, 327 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:54,400 I got my final bit in trouble was me cussing out my supervisor 328 00:20:55,220 --> 00:20:59,240 in January of 89. Um, 329 00:20:59,540 --> 00:21:02,960 and that was just a couple of months after I saw the show. 330 00:21:03,180 --> 00:21:06,240 My attitude was changing. Um, 331 00:21:06,420 --> 00:21:09,000 but it doesn't negate the fact that I was still, you know, 332 00:21:09,540 --> 00:21:12,640 not doing the best job I could when I was in the military. But, 333 00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:18,400 but part of the reason why was 'cause I didn't belong there. And, you know, 334 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,800 I was just really feeling stymied for real after I saw that 335 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,800 show. And I was like, I gotta get out. I have no business here. 336 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:33,320 A a couple of months before then, I actually got annoyed because, um, 337 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,840 there was a spin article, a a cover story on LL Cool J, 338 00:21:38,860 --> 00:21:42,760 um, and Public Enemy. And this is how I first, I mean, I, 339 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,480 I heard Public Enemy before, um, because I had, 340 00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:50,520 this was at a time when you could buy hip hop albums without 341 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,770 listening to them and not be disappointed. 342 00:21:55,030 --> 00:21:57,930 And I bought Public Enemy's first album that way. . 343 00:21:58,290 --> 00:22:02,930 I liked what I saw on the back cover. I was reading this article 344 00:22:04,650 --> 00:22:07,750 and they started slamming. Um, 345 00:22:08,180 --> 00:22:10,910 they really started slamming Public Enemy in it, the opening, 346 00:22:11,210 --> 00:22:15,270 who was opening for ll on this particular tour. And, uh, 347 00:22:16,050 --> 00:22:20,800 and they particularly got upset because Chuck D had said something 348 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,400 about how they're fighting the Klan, 349 00:22:22,820 --> 00:22:25,280 and they did the typical thing that they did in the eighties. 350 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,040 They basically said that even the black people were annoyed by that saying, oh, 351 00:22:29,060 --> 00:22:33,920 we just won our lesson, our music. I was like, oh, other? No, no. 352 00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:37,240 This is what we wanna listen to. I mean, and, um, 353 00:22:38,020 --> 00:22:40,160 and it was a couple of months later, 354 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,600 I got a chance to see Public Enemy Live and see exactly what they were 355 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,920 complaining about in that Spin magazine. I said, oh, what's wrong with this? 356 00:22:48,140 --> 00:22:48,973 And by the way, 357 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,800 I actually knew that Public Enemy was going to do that because bring the noise. 358 00:22:54,220 --> 00:22:58,480 And, um, Bel Without a Pause was, um, was on, um, 359 00:22:58,660 --> 00:23:00,920 was on the radio at the time. And, you know, 360 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,680 they were saying things like Farrakhan was Farrakhan's a prophet, 361 00:23:03,740 --> 00:23:06,080 and they think he ought to listen to. And there was a loud, 362 00:23:06,090 --> 00:23:10,360 proud supporter of Che Mar as a kid. Remember, 363 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,680 I really wasn't involved in politics yet, but as a kid, I never heard that. 364 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:18,720 I never heard people defend Farrakhan. I never heard people defend Ches, 365 00:23:18,740 --> 00:23:21,760 ma A k a Osada Shakur, you know? 366 00:23:22,580 --> 00:23:26,720 So when I heard it on the record, I was like, what , 367 00:23:27,070 --> 00:23:29,880 what did I just hear really? Now? Okay, 368 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:35,400 my job in the military was a police officer. I was in my Gate Shack, 369 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,320 Cameron Republic enemy ing this. And I was like, man, wow. And I, 370 00:23:40,340 --> 00:23:44,960 and I wasn't hit until I actually saw them in on, um, on stage. And. 371 00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:51,680 Do you feel like in that moment it woke up the thing that you were always 372 00:23:52,050 --> 00:23:52,920 going to be? 373 00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:59,720 Yeah. 'cause I do remember, um, leaving the show, um, 374 00:24:00,140 --> 00:24:03,750 saying, saying to myself, um, 375 00:24:05,070 --> 00:24:09,720 I am never gonna be told that I can't do something anymore. 376 00:24:09,820 --> 00:24:14,240 And that's all I heard while I was in the military. I said, that's gonna stop. 377 00:24:16,460 --> 00:24:19,840 So yeah, I definitely had, like I said, I had an attitude after 378 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,680 I had an attitude, not, not naked attitude, but, you know, yeah. 379 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,920 I knew that there was a direction I needed to go into. 380 00:24:29,020 --> 00:24:30,760 And that's when I started, um, 381 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,520 getting into more arguments with folks in the gay shack, 382 00:24:33,630 --> 00:24:38,360 political arguments and that. And, um, but, um, but, you know, 383 00:24:39,090 --> 00:24:43,720 respectful arguments. Sure. But I was talking about Whoopi Goldberg's, um, 384 00:24:44,430 --> 00:24:48,400 what Whoopi Goldberg was saying on her, um, cassette tape. I mean, 385 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,320 I was listening to some of her, um, her H B O special on tape at the time, 386 00:24:53,980 --> 00:24:58,400 and that also resonated with me, the second one, um, 387 00:24:58,530 --> 00:25:03,440 where it was just fontine, the character, the character Fontine. Yeah, 388 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,400 I remember that. That was really, that was really what, um, 389 00:25:08,030 --> 00:25:12,160 sent me. Yeah, that really what sent me. And, you know, Dick Gregory, 390 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,040 I started reading more of his books or his old books from back in the sixties. 391 00:25:16,660 --> 00:25:20,120 And, um, I was learning a lot from that. I was just like, 392 00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:26,290 I can't do any of this while I'm here. So, you know, 393 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,210 once I got out of the military, I just basically hit the ground running. 394 00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:33,490 How can I, and when I got out of the military, 395 00:25:34,030 --> 00:25:37,210 it was about the same time the Central Park jogger thing happened. 396 00:25:37,930 --> 00:25:42,750 A couple of months later, Bensonhurst happened, and then, you know, 397 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,430 everything started to snowball. 398 00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:49,830 Ed Koch got fired and David Dinkins came in and Oh, boy, I mean, 399 00:25:50,020 --> 00:25:52,510 this, this was the world I was growing. Um, I was, 400 00:25:53,150 --> 00:25:56,830 I was leaving the Air Force to go into and it was like, yeah, 401 00:25:58,350 --> 00:26:00,890 I'm gonna be busy. And I wasn't in a punk scene yet. 402 00:26:01,290 --> 00:26:04,370 I was still trying to figure out what direction I was going into in regards to 403 00:26:04,370 --> 00:26:05,203 that. 404 00:26:05,310 --> 00:26:09,290 As a kid, since you were growing up insulated, you know, 405 00:26:09,290 --> 00:26:13,810 you had a great family. Yeah. You were in a suburb that was, you know, you, 406 00:26:14,430 --> 00:26:17,530 you weren't trying to find people that looked like you. 407 00:26:17,810 --> 00:26:21,610 I think representation was all around and successful, happy. We had. 408 00:26:22,030 --> 00:26:25,610 We had black history courses in our school. Yeah. 409 00:26:25,630 --> 00:26:29,170 We had an African American history course. Everything was fine. 410 00:26:29,950 --> 00:26:33,970 My parents knew exactly what neighborhood they wanted to raise their kids in. 411 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,610 Sure. So when you left the bubble of that loveliness, 412 00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:44,000 and now suddenly you're out of the military, there's rhetoric on the news, 413 00:26:44,340 --> 00:26:46,200 in the music, everything around you, 414 00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:52,360 how did that shape you being a black man in America too? 415 00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:56,440 Because suddenly this kid who grew up going, what's the big deal, 416 00:26:56,820 --> 00:27:01,000 is now realizing it's a big deal of how 417 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:02,760 people are being treated? 418 00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:05,520 Yeah, because I think when I was in the, 419 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,000 remember I said I was a cop when I was in the military, 420 00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:09,640 and boy was that an eyeopener. 421 00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:13,970 It was an eyeopener as to how I should conduct myself as a black man, 422 00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:18,010 number one. And number two, how people, 423 00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:22,290 how other police officers saw black people, um, 424 00:27:22,670 --> 00:27:25,050 in the military, even when we were in the military. 425 00:27:25,950 --> 00:27:30,410 But there was also the thing about how, um, 426 00:27:32,460 --> 00:27:36,130 every how women were treated, I mean, 427 00:27:36,170 --> 00:27:39,290 I don't even wanna start talking about the homophobia because unfortunately it 428 00:27:39,290 --> 00:27:40,123 was the eighties, 429 00:27:40,130 --> 00:27:43,930 and even I got caught up in that because it was during the time of aids. I mean, 430 00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:48,130 I wasn't, I wouldn't say that I was a homophobe, but I was a homophobe. 431 00:27:48,670 --> 00:27:52,770 You know, it, it, there was, um, I mean, you know, you had, 432 00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:56,050 you had the attitudes that, um, you know, 433 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,370 that were prevalent if you, 434 00:27:58,630 --> 00:28:02,530 if you were caught up too much in the mainstream of any society, 435 00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:05,930 you're going to get caught up in the bad as well as the good. 436 00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:10,970 And that was the bad. I didn't, I wasn't mean to anyone or anything like that. 437 00:28:11,370 --> 00:28:13,330 I was just, I guess, 438 00:28:13,930 --> 00:28:17,290 a centrist about it because I never met anyone that was gay. You know, 439 00:28:17,490 --> 00:28:20,050 what changed all of that, when I met my first gay person, 440 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,730 that should not be the case. That should not. 441 00:28:23,730 --> 00:28:26,490 And I met my first gay person at the fir at the first punk show. 442 00:28:26,530 --> 00:28:27,890 I went to . 443 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,930 That was quite an education that punk show, . 444 00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:37,130 Yes, it was. I mean, I, I mean, it, it wasn't so much that I was, 445 00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:40,410 um, homophobic or anything like that. I mean, you know, 446 00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:42,890 I'm bouncing back and forth me saying I was, and I wasn't. 447 00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:47,490 But the truth of the matter is, I don't think, um, but I had to learn it. It, 448 00:28:47,490 --> 00:28:49,650 there was a learning curve that I had to get on. 449 00:28:49,650 --> 00:28:53,250 And like immediately when the AIDS crisis hit, 450 00:28:54,860 --> 00:28:59,200 um, I was very uncomfortable about the jokes, 451 00:28:59,780 --> 00:29:02,360 for example. I mean, I knew some, I knew that something was, 452 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,800 I knew something was very wrong about how Rock Hudson was treated. 453 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,020 And I mean, his entire career was just like, wiped out. 454 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,590 Now that was all anybody knew him. And then same. And then when Liberace died, 455 00:29:18,170 --> 00:29:22,030 um, I don't, I'm not sure whether or not if it was in fact aids, 456 00:29:22,450 --> 00:29:26,510 but when that, but when there was rumblings, I was like, 457 00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:30,190 you're about to do that to Liberace too. But again, 458 00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:32,590 none of that mattered. 459 00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:36,750 None of that resonated with me until after I got on that to start really 460 00:29:37,150 --> 00:29:37,983 enjoying the world. 461 00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:42,360 I really do think it wasn't so much trauma 462 00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:47,200 that put me on, um, the path, you know, 463 00:29:47,260 --> 00:29:49,160 put me on a political path or anything, 464 00:29:49,660 --> 00:29:54,600 but just the fact that I was really experiencing life more, 465 00:29:55,220 --> 00:30:00,080 you know, once I got out of the military, especially when I was in the military, 466 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,280 I saw a lot of negative, but I didn't resonate with me yet. 467 00:30:03,870 --> 00:30:07,800 When I started going to college and started going, um, 468 00:30:07,810 --> 00:30:10,640 being involved in the scenes more, um, 469 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,560 I really started to enjoy the people around me and felt 470 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,800 I needed to protect them. 471 00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:21,510 I really just thinking about it as we're going along here, 472 00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:23,670 that's why I like doing these things. . 473 00:30:24,930 --> 00:30:27,350 You founded One People's Project, 474 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,790 which is an anti-fascist. It confronts nationalism, it confronts racism, 475 00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:37,870 confronts homophobia, confronts all the, the isms schisms. 476 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,553 Right? 477 00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:44,760 What made you decide it was time, as you said, 478 00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:48,440 to not be a part of something, but to do the thing and, you know, 479 00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:50,800 not to join someone else's, but to start your own? 480 00:30:51,670 --> 00:30:54,960 Well, it was, it also goes back to, um, I knew what I wanted to do, 481 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,800 but didn't know how, um, 482 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,840 I really had been following and just keeping an eye on the white 483 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,800 supremacists for a long time, but only if they showed up on tv. It was, um, 484 00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:11,600 when, uh, I was in, when I was in the Air Force, I was in my dorm, 485 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,120 I turned on the tv and Oprah Winfrey was going after some white supremacists 486 00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:18,760 who called themselves skinheads. Um, 487 00:31:19,460 --> 00:31:23,200 and we were just learning about them in the mainstream. And 488 00:31:24,730 --> 00:31:29,070 that made me realize that I need to start keeping a file, 489 00:31:30,140 --> 00:31:32,920 rather start recording a lot of these, um, 490 00:31:33,180 --> 00:31:36,480 racist groups whenever they show up on TV so I can study them. 491 00:31:38,260 --> 00:31:39,590 When I got out the Air Force, 492 00:31:39,790 --> 00:31:43,830 I started studying talk radio because they started talking like the folks that I 493 00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:46,150 saw on all those shows. I mean, 494 00:31:46,170 --> 00:31:50,310 and I'm talking about not just like Rush Limbaugh or somebody like that, 495 00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:54,510 because he was doing that, but there was a guy in New York named Bob Grant, 496 00:31:54,530 --> 00:31:59,070 who would let neo-Nazis leave that contact information on his, um, airwaves. 497 00:31:59,530 --> 00:32:03,990 He was on 77 W A B C , which, and, 498 00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:08,870 and for someone to be on that mainstream of a, um, 499 00:32:09,250 --> 00:32:11,990 outlet says that, yeah, we better pay attention. Of course, 500 00:32:12,170 --> 00:32:15,910 pat Buchanan was out there saying things that made me raise an eyebrow or two 501 00:32:15,910 --> 00:32:16,170 there, 502 00:32:16,170 --> 00:32:20,750 and I didn't realize where he was going until really started paying attention. 503 00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:24,230 So, you know, we're watching all of this. We're watch, 504 00:32:24,330 --> 00:32:28,790 and there were very few opportunities to go after full on 505 00:32:29,020 --> 00:32:33,390 neo-Nazis or white supremacists here in the state of New Jersey. Um, 506 00:32:33,770 --> 00:32:37,110 but I was still documenting and I was still, um, 507 00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:41,200 keeping an eye on whatever it was anybody was doing at the time. 508 00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:44,590 And then in 2000, 509 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,150 there was a white supremacist rally being held in, um, Jersey, 510 00:32:49,610 --> 00:32:51,110 and we had to mobilize. 511 00:32:51,170 --> 00:32:54,070 And because I had to new on a lot of compiling of information, 512 00:32:54,190 --> 00:32:58,710 I had all the information anybody needed to deal with the various individuals. 513 00:32:59,050 --> 00:33:02,830 We started a website, um, to coordinate, um, 514 00:33:03,010 --> 00:33:05,990 our counter efforts. Um, after the rally, 515 00:33:06,290 --> 00:33:10,550 we used the website to not only coordinate efforts to help people that were 516 00:33:10,550 --> 00:33:12,510 getting arrested, but all that had gotten arrested, 517 00:33:12,510 --> 00:33:16,110 but also to keep learning more and more, 518 00:33:16,110 --> 00:33:18,750 keep helping people learn more and more about the, uh, 519 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,670 white supremacists that we had, um, dealt with. 520 00:33:21,810 --> 00:33:25,350 And we expanded it to all of them. And matter of fact, 521 00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:30,270 we expanded it to anyone that was on the right or slash far right. 522 00:33:30,620 --> 00:33:34,470 Because our, um, initial meeting was to, 523 00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:37,030 um, our initial, uh, 524 00:33:37,030 --> 00:33:41,670 mission was to show the connections between that far right 525 00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:45,470 and the mainstream. Right. And, and we were pretty good at it, . 526 00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:46,670 We were very good at it. 527 00:33:46,770 --> 00:33:48,950 And that was really the beginnings of all people's thrive. 528 00:33:51,210 --> 00:33:56,110 Was it easy to find like-minded people to help you to get into 529 00:33:56,110 --> 00:33:56,943 the flow? 530 00:33:57,770 --> 00:34:01,430 No, it was not. Matter of fact, that's why we're a small group today, because, 531 00:34:02,010 --> 00:34:06,670 you know, people want, um, you know, you have a lot of people who were, um, who, 532 00:34:06,810 --> 00:34:09,270 who are active, but they, um, 533 00:34:09,450 --> 00:34:13,510 can sometimes get caught up in the tried and true methods, you know, 534 00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:16,590 like being out there in the streets and all of that. Um, 535 00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:19,750 whenever they announce that there's going to be, um, 536 00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:24,310 a rally on the courthouse with they being the, um, the neo-Nazis for that, we, 537 00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:27,390 we hoped to be there. We planned to be there. We planned to counter them. 538 00:34:27,970 --> 00:34:29,550 We wanted to get a little deeper. 539 00:34:30,490 --> 00:34:33,390 We wanted to get them on their off time . 540 00:34:34,370 --> 00:34:38,110 And our thing has always been going back to being a nerd, 541 00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:42,630 was studying them, um, trying to find out who they are, 542 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,950 where they come from and, and what they're about, 543 00:34:46,090 --> 00:34:50,270 and putting that on websites so people can have the information. 544 00:34:50,580 --> 00:34:52,630 That has been our mission since 2000. 545 00:34:54,910 --> 00:34:59,450 You have gone and gotten into, I would say, people's faces, 546 00:34:59,590 --> 00:35:03,290 but you've had all sorts of interactions. You've had conversation, 547 00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:06,410 you've gotten into brew hahas mm-hmm. 548 00:35:06,450 --> 00:35:07,120 . 549 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,660 Yeah. How does one or how do you particularly 550 00:35:14,130 --> 00:35:18,810 approach somebody who has this mindset in order to, 551 00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:22,170 I mean, is your goal, I'm sorry, I'm like tripping over myself. 552 00:35:22,270 --> 00:35:25,890 Is your goal to change their mind, or is your goal to say, 553 00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:31,210 we know you're doing this bully energy, we're not gonna stand for it. 554 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,610 Just know you're on watch, 555 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,210 there's people out here that know what's going on and what you're doing, 556 00:35:36,430 --> 00:35:40,280 and we're not not gonna let you get away with this. What is your mindset? 557 00:35:41,420 --> 00:35:44,200 My mindset is to protect those that I care about. 558 00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:47,800 My mindset is to protect the society and communities that I care about. 559 00:35:47,830 --> 00:35:51,760 That is always going to be first and foremost, um, 560 00:35:52,460 --> 00:35:57,360 my mission in life. Um, sometimes we, 561 00:35:57,630 --> 00:36:01,480 that involves having a conversation with the other side, 562 00:36:01,740 --> 00:36:05,200 if that's possible. Other times it does mean straight up fighting. 563 00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:10,360 Now fighting them means being aggressive in trying to keep them 564 00:36:10,750 --> 00:36:15,480 from positions of power other times and try to make this as 565 00:36:15,660 --> 00:36:19,800 the last resort as much as you can. But other times it does mean swinging. Now, 566 00:36:20,130 --> 00:36:23,920 years ago in like in the nineties, we went straight to the swinging, 567 00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:27,720 but , but back. But you know, 568 00:36:27,790 --> 00:36:31,160 when you are 32, 33, 40, uh, 569 00:36:32,830 --> 00:36:36,970 try not to do that as much. I, at least I try not to do that as much, 570 00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:42,690 but it's there. It's there. And it all depends on how, 571 00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:47,570 um, they are approaching you. You know? I mean, 572 00:36:47,570 --> 00:36:52,450 the movie Skin actually puts, um, shows this in the beginning. I mean, 573 00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:56,930 it shows the two, the yins to the yang. Yeah. I'm gonna be, um, 574 00:36:57,810 --> 00:37:01,620 yelling and screaming and talking trash to you, you in your little rally. 575 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,360 Um, if you are aggressive towards me, I'm gonna be aggressive towards you, 576 00:37:08,140 --> 00:37:12,930 you know? And on the other hand, if you wanna talk, 577 00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:17,360 if you wanna chill, if you want to, um, try to make your case even, 578 00:37:18,420 --> 00:37:22,440 um, I'll, I'll lend in here, we'll talk. Sure. 579 00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:27,440 Um, and if you're looking the way to get out, I'm there for you too. I mean, 580 00:37:28,540 --> 00:37:33,480 I'd rather you not be an enemy , you know, I mean, I'd rather, 581 00:37:34,340 --> 00:37:39,240 um, the situation would be that, um, there is less fighting and less, 582 00:37:39,540 --> 00:37:44,000 um, tensions between the two sides. So if there's any opportunity, 583 00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:48,000 um, that arises, that allows for that, yeah. I'm going to take. 584 00:37:49,460 --> 00:37:51,600 In your experience, and I think of Brian, 585 00:37:51,940 --> 00:37:55,760 who obviously was in one of the most violent, dangerous, 586 00:37:56,410 --> 00:37:58,040 white supremacist skinhead groups, 587 00:37:58,420 --> 00:38:03,240 and then turned the corner and was actively speaking out against it 588 00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:08,320 and credited you at, when I interviewed him, at least in, 589 00:38:08,540 --> 00:38:12,080 in 20 18, 20 17, whenever that was, 590 00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:15,240 that he spoke of you as one of his best friends. 591 00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:18,800 Just a huge arc of an experience. 592 00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:24,720 What do you personally think is the thing that draws people 593 00:38:24,990 --> 00:38:29,640 into being racist or homophobic or 594 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,240 whatever, again, whatever it is that they've decided to hate for hate's sake. 595 00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:38,920 And what is the key to pulling them out of that? 596 00:38:40,330 --> 00:38:44,830 You know, everybody comes from someplace, you know, and I think 597 00:38:46,460 --> 00:38:50,790 when that someplace for certain people is a dead end, 598 00:38:51,170 --> 00:38:52,870 or at least seems like a dead end, 599 00:38:53,340 --> 00:38:57,630 they wanna try to change that because they gotta live that life. And 600 00:38:59,150 --> 00:39:02,520 when you're frustrated, when you have a lot of that, um, 601 00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:06,440 psychological damage that comes from such dead ends, um, 602 00:39:07,340 --> 00:39:09,680 you reaching out to anybody who can help turn, 603 00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:13,600 help turn you around and put you on, um, some good footing or what have you, 604 00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:19,040 and I think it's always a matter of who those individuals 605 00:39:19,420 --> 00:39:23,200 end up being. Sometimes it can be a positive thing, 606 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,720 like say a religious group or a a a civic organization or 607 00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:32,600 our side , you know, other times it can be, um, 608 00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:36,680 the, um, the white supremacist, the neo-Nazis, the far right, whatever, 609 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,280 whatever is, um, whatever is there to say, you know, 610 00:39:42,890 --> 00:39:47,650 we'll keep you afloat is gonna be where you're gonna go. And, um, and, 611 00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:48,770 and that's what we see. 612 00:39:48,830 --> 00:39:53,490 We are fighting people who are basically fighting themselves 613 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,740 in many respects. You know, there's that old saying, hurt people, 614 00:39:58,810 --> 00:40:00,340 hurt people . 615 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,760 And when it comes to dealing with them, 616 00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:10,310 even though we are assertive against them in one fashion or another, 617 00:40:11,330 --> 00:40:12,050 um, 618 00:40:12,050 --> 00:40:16,750 we also recognize their humanity and try our best to help them 619 00:40:17,310 --> 00:40:21,550 recognize it. I mean, that's a line that I use all the time, but it's an, um, 620 00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:25,420 but it's an important line to note, not just, um, 621 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,100 to help people understand where we're coming from, 622 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,780 but to understand where society in general is coming from. 623 00:40:32,780 --> 00:40:37,580 Because society really doesn't want this kind of 624 00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:41,900 drama. I mean, we have built a pretty nice society around here, right? 625 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,700 And people should learn, 626 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,140 people should be able to appreciate it. All people, 627 00:40:48,330 --> 00:40:52,220 even the ones we have issues with, and 628 00:40:54,180 --> 00:40:55,030 unfortunately, 629 00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:59,870 and so we try to encourage those that we do have issues with to 630 00:41:00,610 --> 00:41:04,110 get off the high horse, for lack of a better term, and start, um, 631 00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:07,150 looking at what you're missing. You know. 632 00:41:08,860 --> 00:41:12,310 What happens when, as you spoke to in the beginning of this conversation, 633 00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:18,200 people hide behind a God front in order 634 00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:21,320 to spout their hate. Then how do you, 635 00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:23,640 how do you go up against a God image? 636 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,010 Well, again, it always will depend on the individual. 637 00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:35,470 Um, however, having said that, um, 638 00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:39,250 it does require, um, 639 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,130 a recognition that when you're starting to deal with, um, 640 00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:51,210 people who are coming from that, um, Christian Wright kind of thing, 641 00:41:52,260 --> 00:41:55,480 um, that there's something else going on, 642 00:41:56,150 --> 00:42:00,880 something else that's totally removed from, uh, 643 00:42:02,610 --> 00:42:07,350 um, you know, spirituality, you know, now, uh, 644 00:42:07,470 --> 00:42:11,230 'cause and, and that is what I'm dealing with in this day and age. Now, you, I, 645 00:42:11,310 --> 00:42:15,030 I let, let me preface that by saying that in, um, 646 00:42:15,170 --> 00:42:18,790 say like the early nineties, you did have evangelicals that were in fact, 647 00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:21,030 evangelicals that did truly believe in God, 648 00:42:21,140 --> 00:42:23,990 that did truly believe in serving him. 649 00:42:24,690 --> 00:42:28,830 But when you are dealing with, um, the folks today, 650 00:42:30,330 --> 00:42:33,670 now it's just a tactic. Um, 651 00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:38,690 and I'm gonna have to preface that even further because I, 652 00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:43,690 um, because I was at the Mounts valid Liberty conference, um, here in, uh, 653 00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:47,930 in Philadelphia about a month or so ago, almost a month ago, believe it or not. 654 00:42:48,270 --> 00:42:50,650 Wow. Um, and there was a speaker, 655 00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:54,010 the president of the Heritage Foundation named Kevin Roberts, 656 00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:58,970 was hyping up a book called Roots of the American Order 657 00:42:59,990 --> 00:43:01,690 by, um, Russell Kirk. 658 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,530 Russell Kirk is known as a guru of conservative 659 00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:09,370 ideals to other conservatives. Um, 660 00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:12,700 I look at him as a segregationist, 661 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,180 as a hate monger and as an anti-Semite, 662 00:43:16,570 --> 00:43:20,740 because that's what he was. And he has written extensively on all of that. 663 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,740 Um, but the one thing that, um, 664 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,300 he had said that he has said in the past is that, 665 00:43:30,460 --> 00:43:33,720 God, you don't choose God. God chooses you. 666 00:43:36,110 --> 00:43:40,570 And no, that's not how this works. . 667 00:43:41,470 --> 00:43:45,890 You are supposed to come to Jesus . You know, I mean, 668 00:43:45,950 --> 00:43:46,783 and this is, 669 00:43:46,990 --> 00:43:51,010 and this is what how Christianity has been for over a couple of thousand years. 670 00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:54,770 Um, you are, I mean, God has, 671 00:43:55,220 --> 00:43:57,490 Jesus has died on the cross for your sins, 672 00:43:57,670 --> 00:44:02,560 and you are to accept him as your Lord and personal savior. It isn't. 673 00:44:02,610 --> 00:44:06,640 Jesus died on the cross for the living heck of it. And, 674 00:44:09,150 --> 00:44:12,050 and you can come, you can come if he chooses you. 675 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,050 That idea that you're anointed in hate. See, I've been anointed to Yeah, yeah. 676 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,690 Yeah. So it's like, so we already know the point, 677 00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:25,370 that point I'm making is that we're already coming from a position 678 00:44:25,420 --> 00:44:29,330 where they are lying about their faith, where they are bearing false witness. 679 00:44:30,270 --> 00:44:34,250 And that means it's phony. Okay? 680 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:39,570 That means it's phony. And so, you know, 681 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,690 when you're dealing with these characters coming up to you in the name of 682 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,060 God and liberty, it's all game. It's all a lie. 683 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,900 You are going, coming in that direction. You are coming from that direction. 684 00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:57,180 Even if you are not even about, um, faith and not even about spirituality, 685 00:44:57,180 --> 00:44:58,940 about God or Christianity, whatever, 686 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,500 you are more real than they are when you're dealing with today's conservatives. 687 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:08,120 And this is one of the reasons why, um, 688 00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:12,200 the foundation that they had 30 years ago is non-existent. 689 00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:15,240 So when you're dealing with today's conservatives, 690 00:45:15,540 --> 00:45:20,360 you're dealing with people who are not trying to build, not trying to evolve, 691 00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:24,000 not trying to create, they're trying to win. 692 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,020 That's all that matters. They just wanna win. 693 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,780 And they have been steadily losing for the past 60 years. 694 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,140 And the only thing that matters to them is that they turned that around. 695 00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:38,680 Remember, 696 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,100 the whole thing about Donald Trump is that there was going to be so much winning 697 00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:46,580 that they were going to get tired of winning. You know, that, that's a whole, 698 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,740 that's the whole message right there. 699 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,100 But when they win, 700 00:45:55,070 --> 00:45:59,880 they lose because everybody loses when they 701 00:46:00,510 --> 00:46:04,320 deconstruct everything that was supposed to make 702 00:46:05,380 --> 00:46:07,510 this society and this nation 703 00:46:09,610 --> 00:46:12,830 the bastion of freedom that it was supposed to be. Granted, 704 00:46:12,830 --> 00:46:17,230 there's some bumps along the road. I'm a black man, I better say that, . 705 00:46:17,890 --> 00:46:20,260 Um, but in the end, 706 00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:25,950 this society is supposed to be a society where you are supposed to have 707 00:46:25,950 --> 00:46:26,950 liberty and freedom, 708 00:46:27,490 --> 00:46:31,830 and they have taken it away in the name of preserving it. 709 00:46:33,450 --> 00:46:34,283 And that's, and, 710 00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:39,030 and the only reason why they're doing it is because the world doesn't revolve 711 00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:42,630 around their white Christian, male dominated, um, 712 00:46:42,970 --> 00:46:45,940 hierarchy , and 713 00:46:47,730 --> 00:46:49,380 they don't know what to do with themselves. Because. 714 00:46:50,130 --> 00:46:54,740 It's so bizarre to me as I watch the politicians 715 00:46:55,570 --> 00:47:00,020 take more and more rights away from people and the people handing them over 716 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,340 freely in some cases, 717 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,700 and all the while saying about how they believe in a government that's less 718 00:47:06,980 --> 00:47:10,940 involved. And yet as we're seeing move across the nation, 719 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,220 the massive oversteps of people's civil, 720 00:47:16,350 --> 00:47:20,340 human rights, liberties, all of this is mind boggling. 721 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:27,020 It all goes back to the fact that they don't believe in a single word of what 722 00:47:27,020 --> 00:47:29,520 they're saying. Again, they're just trying to win. 723 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:34,240 They're saying the right things to the right people so that they can, 724 00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:38,120 um, so that they can go ahead. Ultimately, if you really think about it, 725 00:47:39,370 --> 00:47:43,370 a lot of today's conservatives aren't even doing it because they believe in it. 726 00:47:43,370 --> 00:47:47,250 They're doing it to get paid. I mean, that there is, 727 00:47:47,570 --> 00:47:50,930 I I remember when conservatives, um, 728 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,090 will come at you with some sort of skin in the game, 729 00:47:54,110 --> 00:47:57,650 but you look at somebody like Charlie Kirk from Turning Point u s a, 730 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,460 he just got a couple of thousand dollars from some billionaire or some, 731 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,500 or some benefactor, I don't know if he was a billionaire, but, um, 732 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,220 to just start turning point you and say, it's not his money. 733 00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:14,340 We've heard them on hot mics, we've heard them in emails to each other or, 734 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,460 or texts to each other. They don't even believe the crap they're saying, 735 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,420 but they know if they say it loud enough and often enough Exactly, 736 00:48:22,420 --> 00:48:24,620 they're gonna make millions of dollars. 737 00:48:24,890 --> 00:48:28,740 Whether it be exactly being a talking head or a book or a, 738 00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:31,540 it's the same thing with like the Y two K craze. And to, 739 00:48:31,540 --> 00:48:32,900 to put it in some other context, 740 00:48:33,740 --> 00:48:36,900 everyone's saying the end of the world was coming and who made all the money, 741 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,580 the people writing books about it, the people building bombs or, or whatever, 742 00:48:40,620 --> 00:48:44,820 preppers, or there are people taking deep, deep advantage, 743 00:48:45,170 --> 00:48:49,140 financial advantage of those who are easily 744 00:48:50,330 --> 00:48:51,163 made afraid. 745 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,660 And that's what, that's what irks me about Charlie Kirk. 746 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,740 That's what irks me about Candace Owens. That's what irks me about Tommy Lauren. 747 00:48:59,230 --> 00:49:02,900 Those three individuals, none of 'em had real world experience. 748 00:49:02,970 --> 00:49:07,060 None of them have ever had a real job in their lives. And they're, 749 00:49:07,060 --> 00:49:11,300 they're young and they don't even think they have to anymore because somebody 750 00:49:11,410 --> 00:49:15,540 gave them money to agitate against the rest of society, 751 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:20,260 the rest against those that actually do work for living. You know, I mean, 752 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,020 it really annoys me. And, and Ben Shapiro actually put this out. Um, 753 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:29,300 now Ben Shapiro really annoys me because you are talking about pretty much a 754 00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:34,100 child prodigy. This dude got his law degree at 22. 755 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,350 He was on, I mean, he, 756 00:49:38,860 --> 00:49:41,550 he's a brilliant s o b . 757 00:49:41,860 --> 00:49:46,470 Yeah. It's usually very smart. People are, are, look at the forefront of this. 758 00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:50,510 The problem is, the problem is he gave, 759 00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:54,030 somebody gave him some money he, he started working with Right. But, 760 00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:56,350 and all that, he's not using it to practice law. 761 00:49:57,820 --> 00:50:01,430 He's now a grift. He's now just as one of the grifters. 762 00:50:01,490 --> 00:50:05,190 And he made it clear when somebody was, um, insulting him, 763 00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:08,350 somebody was calling him out and he says, yeah, I'll go, 764 00:50:08,510 --> 00:50:11,190 I I'll think about that when I'm laying on my bed of money. 765 00:50:11,450 --> 00:50:13,190 And then when he said that, said, that's all it's about. 766 00:50:13,620 --> 00:50:18,230 Yeah, of course. It's, and hate pays so much better than love. 767 00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:19,063 Mm-hmm. . 768 00:50:19,290 --> 00:50:22,990 Mm-hmm. . He does. I mean, that's why, you know, I have, 769 00:50:23,710 --> 00:50:26,750 I have a job right now. This is basically that's, 770 00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:29,560 other than what I do for a living, what I do here, 771 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,960 I have a job that pays the bills, their job, um, 772 00:50:33,970 --> 00:50:38,760 their job is to go after those trying to pay the bills. That's it. I mean, 773 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,360 I, I love it whenever we go out there and protest and these idiots on TV talking 774 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,080 about, um, uh, do they have real jobs? Um, do, 775 00:50:47,260 --> 00:50:50,360 do you work or anything like that, like Sean who said, or, 776 00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:54,240 or even complaining about professional activists and such. And I, 777 00:50:54,260 --> 00:50:57,560 and I was about to say Sean is in Sean Hannity, because I was gonna say, well, 778 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,510 Sean, who pays your checks? I mean, 779 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,230 Ruper Murdoch's name is on your million dollar checks. 780 00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:10,120 All you do is, is be an activist professional. 781 00:51:10,340 --> 00:51:13,760 You know, that's all your job. You go up there to talk trash about everybody, 782 00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:17,080 everybody that's doing something. That's, that's really what, um, 783 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,640 what I say about people like Ann Coulter and such that they're talking about 784 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,290 what we're doing. Do you. 785 00:51:25,550 --> 00:51:29,050 Do you consider yourself Antifa? And what does that mean to you, 786 00:51:29,470 --> 00:51:34,290 and how did it get manipulated to mean something else in your 787 00:51:34,290 --> 00:51:35,123 mind? 788 00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:36,970 I'm Antifa without question or apology. 789 00:51:37,110 --> 00:51:41,610 One people's project email address for the past 20 years was Antifa is Antifa 790 00:51:41,610 --> 00:51:45,730 and one people's project.com. You know, Antifa, um, 791 00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:50,130 is short for anti-fascist, and if you are against fascism, you're Antifa. 792 00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:54,410 Plain and simple. It's been like that since the twenties. Nothing's changed. 793 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,050 What did change is the need to build up an enemy, 794 00:51:59,590 --> 00:52:03,620 the need to take down an enemy and the need to, um, 795 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,780 to propagandize and raise money pretending that you're going after that enemy. 796 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:11,980 That's why you would see so many, 797 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,420 and this is the other thing that goes along with the, um, conservative grifts, 798 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,940 so many propaganda things that are just straight up lies 799 00:52:21,010 --> 00:52:24,180 that aren't truthful about, um, 800 00:52:25,260 --> 00:52:26,900 a single thing that's going on out there. Like, 801 00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:31,300 the biggest thing that I really annoyed, um, anti-fascists, um, 802 00:52:31,420 --> 00:52:35,540 a couple of years ago was they would mobilize the right, 803 00:52:35,950 --> 00:52:40,900 especially these far right characters were mobilized because they saw something 804 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,900 online saying in Antifa, 805 00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:46,520 it's pronounced Antifa. 806 00:52:46,540 --> 00:52:51,080 So I make jokes about that one time that Antifa was supposed to be, 807 00:52:51,860 --> 00:52:53,920 um, going to this, um, 808 00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:59,830 spot in a small town somewhere where none of us go 809 00:53:00,590 --> 00:53:04,910 . And so they will, in one case, it was Gettysburg, 810 00:53:05,250 --> 00:53:08,070 it was the, um, Gettysburg and Norway apartment, nobody, 811 00:53:08,850 --> 00:53:13,230 and taken down confederate flags that weren't there to begin with. Um, 812 00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:19,140 and they were mobilized. They would have their, um, um, 813 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,700 events talking about how they're there to stop Antifa or Antifa or whatever. 814 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,760 And when we don't show up, they say it was a victory. It's like, no, wasn't, 815 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,200 we weren't planning on going out there in the first place. 816 00:53:31,420 --> 00:53:34,120 And in the case of Gettysburg, it was comedy because, um, 817 00:53:34,820 --> 00:53:39,200 one of them found a way to shoot themselves while they were waiting for Antifa 818 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,200 to show. Um, there's guy named, I mean, there, 819 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,480 there's so many kind of propagandizing routines that they pauses ridiculous. 820 00:53:47,550 --> 00:53:50,600 There's one guy who pretends that he was, um, 821 00:53:51,460 --> 00:53:56,440 was Antifa back when he was in high school and all of that, and no one knew. 822 00:53:56,620 --> 00:53:59,840 No one knows who he was or is, you know, 823 00:54:00,220 --> 00:54:03,480 but he makes a lot of money writing books and doing, um, 824 00:54:04,180 --> 00:54:08,360 and doing speaking engagements, talking about his time as an amplify. And he, 825 00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:12,870 and the only thing that you can find on him politically, 826 00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:16,990 is when he started a libertarian group in his, um, when, 827 00:54:17,090 --> 00:54:19,750 in his college days. And he was so, 828 00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:24,550 he was always been right wing in the public eye until he decided 829 00:54:24,570 --> 00:54:25,830 to pretend that he was Antifa. 830 00:54:25,850 --> 00:54:29,910 I'm not saying his name for the sake of not giving him any credence, 831 00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:31,790 because he hasn't been heard from in a while. 832 00:54:32,650 --> 00:54:35,830 The thing that really surprised me is how 833 00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:42,650 fired up people get on lies, and that they, 834 00:54:42,650 --> 00:54:47,250 they really will just take it at face value and not dig any deeper than just the 835 00:54:47,250 --> 00:54:48,450 surface, which says a, 836 00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:52,250 I think a lot about what the nature is in their heart of what they wanna 837 00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:55,010 believe. I remember people saying, oh, 838 00:54:55,470 --> 00:54:59,930 the Black Lives Matter protests are destroying Portland and it's on fire, 839 00:55:00,230 --> 00:55:04,530 or New York's this or that. And I have friends all over the country, 840 00:55:05,110 --> 00:55:09,610 so I just called up my friends in Portland, Hey, are you guys okay? Is, 841 00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:12,490 are things falling apart talking to actual people that live there? 842 00:55:13,390 --> 00:55:16,730 And everyone said, everything's fine. There's no, 843 00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:19,810 I don't know what that's all about, but that's not true. 844 00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:25,450 And I would report that back and they would say, Nope, that's, 845 00:55:25,450 --> 00:55:27,010 that's not true. Um, and I say, 846 00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:31,410 I'm talking to the people that literally live there and they're saying, 847 00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:36,080 the things you are being shown are a lie. 848 00:55:36,850 --> 00:55:37,310 Mm-hmm. 849 00:55:37,310 --> 00:55:37,650 , 850 00:55:37,650 --> 00:55:41,790 but their hearts wanna believe the lie before they believe the truth, 851 00:55:41,790 --> 00:55:45,790 because it supports whatever stuff is going on inside of them. 852 00:55:46,740 --> 00:55:48,710 It's weird too, because I remember, I mean, 853 00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:49,910 I've been to Portland a couple of times. 854 00:55:50,010 --> 00:55:53,470 The only people that were really doing violence in the times that I were there 855 00:55:53,470 --> 00:55:57,310 were the police and the proud boys . And matter of fact, 856 00:55:57,310 --> 00:56:00,070 the last time I was in Portland, it was, um, 857 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,390 proud boys that were attacking people and turning over their vehicles. 858 00:56:03,390 --> 00:56:07,870 One of them's in jail right now for that nonsense. Um, but, 859 00:56:08,010 --> 00:56:11,510 but that gives you an idea of, yeah, it's more in, it's, 860 00:56:12,260 --> 00:56:14,350 it's easier to believe the lies in some cases, 861 00:56:14,850 --> 00:56:16,790 for some people it's more important. 862 00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:20,830 I remember watching Jordan Kle of the Daily Show, 863 00:56:23,890 --> 00:56:27,870 Um, having, um, a discussion with, um, with one of, um, 864 00:56:28,180 --> 00:56:32,720 with a Trump supporter who had said something about John Bolton and all of that. 865 00:56:32,940 --> 00:56:37,870 And he challenged her on, um, on a particular point. 866 00:56:38,610 --> 00:56:42,910 And when he made that point about John Bolton and expected 867 00:56:43,490 --> 00:56:48,190 her to, um, change her position, she just simply said, I don't care. 868 00:56:49,940 --> 00:56:53,350 She didn't even care what the facts were. You know, 869 00:56:53,850 --> 00:56:58,790 and that's when you realize you're dealing with something very different than, 870 00:56:59,650 --> 00:57:03,420 um, I should say reason , 871 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,060 you're dealing again with people who just need to win 872 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,260 no matter how much, uh, how wrong they are, 873 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:13,860 no matter how much they're losing. 874 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:15,100 Or who need to. 875 00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:15,933 To how much. 876 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,620 Or they need to attach deeply to hate mm-hmm. 877 00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:24,340 because it makes them feel empowered or better than as long as 878 00:57:24,340 --> 00:57:28,140 there's somebody or something to hate for whatever reason, 879 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:29,780 it triggers that dopamine, 880 00:57:29,930 --> 00:57:34,300 cocaine response in their brain and the hate becomes the drug. 881 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,050 Yeah, it does. And, uh, I mean, 882 00:57:37,110 --> 00:57:41,010 no better example on that is why I'm gonna be in Nashville in about a month 883 00:57:41,540 --> 00:57:42,270 because, um, 884 00:57:42,270 --> 00:57:46,390 there's gonna be a white supremacist conference that has been going on at 885 00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:50,710 Montgomery Bell Park, um, for about a decade now, 886 00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:55,220 for about 10 years now. And we're gonna do what we always do. 887 00:57:55,220 --> 00:57:58,300 We're gonna be protesting against it. And, uh, 888 00:57:58,810 --> 00:58:03,520 they get very little opposition. Um, hopefully that'll change this year. 889 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,180 And, uh, but because of that, they feel comfortable, 890 00:58:08,810 --> 00:58:11,700 comfortable enough that, um, 891 00:58:12,610 --> 00:58:14,990 in 2017 it was the organ, 892 00:58:15,130 --> 00:58:20,030 the organizers of Charlottesville went there to organize and network and 893 00:58:20,030 --> 00:58:23,910 get people out there. And when we saw what happened two weeks later, 894 00:58:24,850 --> 00:58:26,110 um, this year, but there. 895 00:58:26,330 --> 00:58:29,750 But there are people who still think that the people that died in 896 00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:32,830 Charlottesville were paid actors crisis. I mean, there's actively. 897 00:58:33,220 --> 00:58:37,230 That just goes back to the line that they need to tell themselves in, um, 898 00:58:37,490 --> 00:58:41,110 in order to, um, in order to maintain, 899 00:58:41,290 --> 00:58:44,990 in order to maintain themselves. You know, you know, I mean, 900 00:58:44,990 --> 00:58:48,190 basically every time a white supremacist shows up and we know that white 901 00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:51,630 supremacists, um, they just call 'em feds. They're, they're feds. 902 00:58:51,820 --> 00:58:53,310 This is the Fed op and all of that. 903 00:58:53,610 --> 00:58:57,310 And it was so funny because I was also in Idaho whenever Patriot Front had 904 00:58:57,310 --> 00:58:59,190 gotten arrested, and, 905 00:58:59,370 --> 00:59:02,270 and this was a couple of months after I saw them at the American Renaissance 906 00:59:02,270 --> 00:59:07,270 Conference. And when they were getting arrested, they, um, 907 00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:12,550 there was a guy who was, um, trying to, um, who, who had basically organi, 908 00:59:12,550 --> 00:59:15,710 and by the way, I should say, when Patriot Front got arrested, 909 00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:18,030 they was trying to crash a Pride fest in Idaho, 910 00:59:18,610 --> 00:59:21,880 and there were people outside that were protesting it, um, 911 00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:24,360 or trying to protest it and trying to march against it. 912 00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:28,200 The main guy that was trying to march against it, um, 913 00:59:28,460 --> 00:59:32,260 was trying to say that Patriot fronts, um, getting arrested, 914 00:59:32,260 --> 00:59:35,540 that's just the Fed op. Those all the Patriot front members are feds, yada, 915 00:59:35,540 --> 00:59:36,373 yada, yada. 916 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:41,300 His right hand man sons were among those getting 917 00:59:41,700 --> 00:59:46,500 arrested . So, oh, oh, and by the way, speaking of, 918 00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:51,020 of the, that particular crowd, when you hear groups like Monster Liberty, 919 00:59:51,050 --> 00:59:52,740 when you hear the, um, 920 00:59:52,770 --> 00:59:57,740 agitation against the L G B T Q community because they trying to 921 00:59:57,860 --> 00:59:59,300 go after groomers and such, 922 00:59:59,490 --> 01:00:03,700 when you think about the fact that Patriot Funk was trying to storm and trying 923 01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:04,110 to, um, 924 01:00:04,110 --> 01:00:08,820 cause some upheaval at a Pride Fest note that one of the guys that got 925 01:00:09,100 --> 01:00:12,220 arrested sitting in jail right now, because when he got arrested, 926 01:00:12,290 --> 01:00:13,980 they found child porn on his phone. Well. 927 01:00:13,980 --> 01:00:17,580 That's the other thing that's so frustrating. They scream, there's the rhetoric, 928 01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:22,220 rhetoric now screaming that lgbtq plus or dry queens are groomers. 929 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,460 And the, the truth of the matter is they're not looking in their own family, 930 01:00:26,460 --> 01:00:30,380 their own churches, their own coaches, all these things are coming out. 931 01:00:30,850 --> 01:00:34,820 None of those folks are LGBTQ or, 932 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,740 or drag queens that are doing this stuff, 933 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,460 and yet they're just doubled down and triple down. And it's like, you know what? 934 01:00:43,460 --> 01:00:45,020 Take care of your own house first. 935 01:00:45,330 --> 01:00:50,140 Well see that more than anything else really needs to be addressed by us. 936 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,340 If we wanna see it, see it go away. 937 01:00:52,370 --> 01:00:56,900 Because I always thought that it was weird how 938 01:00:57,340 --> 01:01:01,420 Q Anon and all of them decided to use pedophile as a, um, 939 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,020 as a pejorative against people that they are fighting with, 940 01:01:05,330 --> 01:01:06,220 just out of the blue, 941 01:01:06,220 --> 01:01:09,260 just call 'em a pedophile regardless of whether or not you know anything about 942 01:01:09,260 --> 01:01:13,900 the person. Um, now we have this campaign against, 943 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,940 um, trans people against the L G B T Q community, um, 944 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,700 in the name of protecting children. 945 01:01:21,630 --> 01:01:25,330 And then we just keep on getting one story after another 946 01:01:26,460 --> 01:01:30,980 about these individuals from the right, um, 947 01:01:32,010 --> 01:01:36,540 from, uh, our religious groups that are themselves, um, 948 01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:39,900 assaulting children. Um, I, I told people, look, 949 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:44,060 sooner or later we're gonna find out somebody that went to the MO for Liberty 950 01:01:44,070 --> 01:01:46,580 conference, um, was, uh, 951 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,260 is getting jammed up because they themselves are abusing the children. 952 01:01:51,810 --> 01:01:56,460 They themselves are watching child porn or whatever, and 953 01:01:58,380 --> 01:02:01,830 that tells us, nevermind the fact that they're hypo, 954 01:02:03,020 --> 01:02:05,230 they're, they're, they're not hypocrites. They're trying, 955 01:02:05,590 --> 01:02:07,310 I think in many respects, 956 01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:13,030 they're trying to deflect from a lot of what they see 957 01:02:13,130 --> 01:02:16,870 in their circles a lot of what we all see from their circles. I mean, 958 01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:21,240 remember we was all going after the Catholic priests, 959 01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:27,180 um, just, just a couple of years ago, just about a dec decade or two ago, 960 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:32,180 um, a couple of years after Sena O'Connor was telling us to do it, 961 01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,180 and she got basically chased outta the country for that. Um, 962 01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,720 incidentally, one I used to, um, infiltrate, um, 963 01:02:42,310 --> 01:02:46,360 anti-choice activists, and I went to one of their churches and, 964 01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:48,040 uh, the, 965 01:02:48,260 --> 01:02:52,800 the pastor of one of those churches is on that list of Catholic priests. 966 01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:57,530 Um, I found that out just a couple of months ago. And 967 01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:02,760 if we do have that issue every time they come at us, 968 01:03:03,290 --> 01:03:06,960 every time they come at anybody in the name of protecting children, 969 01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:11,020 we should say exactly what you say, take care of your own backyard, 970 01:03:12,220 --> 01:03:17,120 but add a caveat, take care of your own backyard, or we will do it for you. 971 01:03:18,210 --> 01:03:22,240 Every accusation is a confession, but we gotta go beyond complaining about it. 972 01:03:22,340 --> 01:03:25,720 We really do have to start putting pressure on them to start taking care of 973 01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,840 their own backyard. We're not just gonna tell 'em, and here's the way, 974 01:03:29,140 --> 01:03:30,880 here's what we're going to have to do. 975 01:03:31,130 --> 01:03:36,070 We're going to have to just go after what supports them. 976 01:03:36,340 --> 01:03:39,140 They're saying, look, you got, I mean, 977 01:03:39,140 --> 01:03:42,500 we don't even have to mention the fact that they are, um, 978 01:03:43,090 --> 01:03:45,900 that they are coming after everyone else, you know, 979 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:50,740 trying to cancel people in na trying to cancel books in the name of, um, 980 01:03:50,740 --> 01:03:53,660 protecting children in the name of protecting children. 981 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,340 We need to go after their institutions. 982 01:03:57,540 --> 01:04:02,200 We need to make sure that the whole thing about Miles for Liberty is, um, 983 01:04:02,460 --> 01:04:05,640 we, we basically went after the Marriott for even hosting them. 984 01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:11,930 And we have to start putting the pressure on 985 01:04:12,190 --> 01:04:16,970 any institution that caters to this particular crowd. If, 986 01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:22,090 if we find out that someone from their crowd has, um, 987 01:04:22,910 --> 01:04:27,770 has been engaged in that kind of activity. I, I think of, um, the group, 988 01:04:27,770 --> 01:04:31,730 the, the conservative political action conferences run by, um, 989 01:04:32,740 --> 01:04:37,170 match slapp. I mean, the CPAC is really huge when it comes to, um, 990 01:04:37,450 --> 01:04:41,730 conservative networking and, um, organizing that, 991 01:04:41,730 --> 01:04:43,170 that conference happens every year. 992 01:04:44,690 --> 01:04:49,430 We should be putting pressure on the National Harbor Resort in Maryland 993 01:04:49,570 --> 01:04:53,820 to say, because of m sch slaps pass activities, 994 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,580 um, uh, rather accusations regarding, um, how he has, um, 995 01:05:00,020 --> 01:05:02,140 sexually assaulted or what have you. Um, 996 01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,300 one of Herschel Walker's aides campaign aides. 997 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,340 We really gotta start. And, um, 998 01:05:08,340 --> 01:05:13,100 and you gotta bear in mind also cpac that also means you have a number of people 999 01:05:13,130 --> 01:05:17,060 that are also been coming through that particular conference that, 1000 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,960 that have such accusations. We need to stop, um, 1001 01:05:21,070 --> 01:05:25,600 putting pressure on the venues like National Harbor or whatever is in Orlando, 1002 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:26,840 Florida, and start saying, 1003 01:05:27,380 --> 01:05:31,160 do we want to cater to their deflections? 1004 01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:38,290 We have to start putting the pressure on venues 1005 01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:39,810 and other institutions 1006 01:05:41,350 --> 01:05:45,480 that help this nonsense along as and say, stop doing that. 1007 01:05:45,830 --> 01:05:47,040 Over. I keep all over. 1008 01:05:47,260 --> 01:05:48,093 On the vine. 1009 01:05:48,180 --> 01:05:51,800 All over social media. There's all these posts about the new movie, about the, 1010 01:05:52,060 --> 01:05:55,840 the children trafficking. And I keep saying, you know, 1011 01:05:55,840 --> 01:06:00,560 there's been like 20 really excellent documentaries, not based on a true story, 1012 01:06:00,620 --> 01:06:05,520 but actual true stories of movies and of organizations that are trying to 1013 01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:09,240 stop this. But those folks don't seem to wanna talk about any of that stuff. 1014 01:06:09,470 --> 01:06:13,800 They only wanna, but we do talk about this hyper politicized movies. 1015 01:06:13,980 --> 01:06:14,813 But we do. 1016 01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:16,023 Yeah. 1017 01:06:16,070 --> 01:06:19,280 Yeah, we do. So use the movie, 1018 01:06:19,970 --> 01:06:23,560 which I heard was pretty good, but, but whatever, um, 1019 01:06:24,660 --> 01:06:28,360 use the movie to advance those groups. 1020 01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,360 I agree. I don't, it's a good. 1021 01:06:31,060 --> 01:06:33,800 Oh, so you like the Sound of freedom, you like the Sound of Freedom? Well, 1022 01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,920 these are groups that are actually yes. Dealing with human trafficking. This. 1023 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:37,400 Is my. 1024 01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,680 Argument. Kill them. Hypo. Hypo. Yeah. I mean that's, 1025 01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:41,800 that's how you use the movie. 1026 01:06:41,980 --> 01:06:45,000 And I'm gonna remember anytime somebody talks to me about the Sound of Freedom, 1027 01:06:45,180 --> 01:06:49,840 I'm gonna say, look, there's these groups and, and, and I would even ask, um, 1028 01:06:50,740 --> 01:06:52,960 if you can't, I don't know how you do it on your, um, 1029 01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,680 I don't know how you set up when you, uh, show the podcast. 1030 01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:01,320 I would say maybe list it in this podcast when you in the, um, 1031 01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,480 I have a link page for this podcast. Yeah. Yes. 1032 01:07:03,550 --> 01:07:06,920 Yeah. Every time I see anyone post about that movie, I always say, Hey, 1033 01:07:07,410 --> 01:07:11,600 since you're into this, check out these movies. And also, 1034 01:07:11,780 --> 01:07:14,480 and then I look for whichever state and I say, 1035 01:07:14,510 --> 01:07:18,320 this is the organization in your neck of the woods that has, 1036 01:07:19,340 --> 01:07:22,240 uh, that is working very tirelessly to, 1037 01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:26,920 and human trafficking and sex trafficking of children and all of that. 1038 01:07:27,340 --> 01:07:32,080 But here's the, yeah, I mean, that I've found is that the ball drops there. 1039 01:07:32,830 --> 01:07:33,880 Yeah. They. 1040 01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:35,800 Wanna be angry and yell and scream, 1041 01:07:35,820 --> 01:07:38,360 but they don't actually wanna be part of the solution. 1042 01:07:39,140 --> 01:07:42,440 But we know people do wanna be part of the solution. We do. 1043 01:07:42,620 --> 01:07:47,120 We know people that are the solution. That will be part of the solution. 1044 01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:52,720 I think we have to recognize who those individuals were on 1045 01:07:52,740 --> 01:07:57,360 are on the right that are using the, um, sound of freedom for political, 1046 01:07:57,580 --> 01:07:58,413 um, 1047 01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,060 for political needs and ignore all that 1048 01:08:04,010 --> 01:08:08,340 because there is a real problem, reason why it is so successful, 1049 01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,380 um, is because it is, uh, it is a real problem. 1050 01:08:12,770 --> 01:08:16,840 It's based on a true story and it needs to be addressed needs. 1051 01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,260 We can talk about those that are in fact addressing. 1052 01:08:22,020 --> 01:08:24,160 And that's, and that, and by the way, 1053 01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:29,880 a number of those groups are run by people from the L G B T 1054 01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,970 Q community, you know, and though, 1055 01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:37,410 and that's how you use, you don't even have to trash the movie. 1056 01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:40,410 You don't even have to talk about the movie. I. 1057 01:08:40,410 --> 01:08:41,030 Have no feelings. 1058 01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:44,330 You don't even have to see the movie. Yeah. Just say, 1059 01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:47,610 if this is your concern, if you're concerned about this, 1060 01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:49,690 this is where we should be going. 1061 01:08:50,190 --> 01:08:54,010 We should really be boosting these groups up ourselves. Say, Hey, 1062 01:08:54,010 --> 01:08:58,690 we've been doing this all along Q Anon, hasn't we have, we, 1063 01:08:58,910 --> 01:09:02,050 so if you're concerned about it, this is where you go. 1064 01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,970 This is where you go to find, and we don't e we don't have to go tit for tat. 1065 01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:06,810 No. 1066 01:09:06,810 --> 01:09:07,590 I agree. 1067 01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:11,890 Say yo, it's just like whenever people talk about where, um, 1068 01:09:13,480 --> 01:09:17,770 they always come at me about black crime, but no matter what the argument, 1069 01:09:17,790 --> 01:09:21,530 no matter what the discussion, and they always say the same thing, says, 1070 01:09:21,670 --> 01:09:23,810 you always see people marching against the police. 1071 01:09:23,900 --> 01:09:26,490 Where don't they marching against the crime in their communities? 1072 01:09:27,270 --> 01:09:29,010 My easy responses, 1073 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:34,060 we just had one yesterday because there's always, 1074 01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:35,940 as some of these, uh, in, 1075 01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,300 in a lot of these communities stop the violence routes. 1076 01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:45,050 There's always, I mean, I mentioned DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince earlier, 1077 01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:50,050 DJ Jazzy Jeff and Charlie m uh, Charlie Mack, um, 1078 01:09:50,050 --> 01:09:51,330 their bodyguard at one time. 1079 01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,410 They put these kinds of rallies together in Philly. 1080 01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:58,410 So I always say, Hey, uh, 1081 01:09:58,430 --> 01:10:01,290 to all you conservatives out there that are looking for it, we can use you. 1082 01:10:01,290 --> 01:10:03,510 And I'm not kidding, I'm not kidding. 1083 01:10:03,980 --> 01:10:08,310 Some actually do show up to try to be a part of the solution. 1084 01:10:09,730 --> 01:10:13,390 And that's, and that's good. And, but see, that's what I do. 1085 01:10:13,450 --> 01:10:15,190 If you're talking about trying, uh, 1086 01:10:15,190 --> 01:10:17,950 if you're talking or if you're talking about black crime, 1087 01:10:18,690 --> 01:10:22,270 why don't you help those within those communities that are actually trying to do 1088 01:10:22,270 --> 01:10:26,350 something about it instead of trying to use it as a way to shut me up because 1089 01:10:26,450 --> 01:10:30,510 I'm talking about your crimes . Yeah. 1090 01:10:30,710 --> 01:10:32,230 'cause I case you've forgotten, um, 1091 01:10:32,230 --> 01:10:35,750 Derek Chauvin committed a crime when he murdered George Floyd. 1092 01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:39,560 That doesn't get a pass because other black people are committing crimes too. 1093 01:10:40,380 --> 01:10:45,240 That's right. And what about is, are really frustrating. Well tell people, uh, 1094 01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:49,920 the best way to find you and if they wanna be of service and help the cause, 1095 01:10:50,260 --> 01:10:51,093 how to do that? 1096 01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:56,960 Well, I mean, okay. One peoples project.com is the best way to reach the, 1097 01:10:57,140 --> 01:11:01,120 I'm very bad at self-promotion. Sometimes I just, I just like to teach. 1098 01:11:01,340 --> 01:11:06,160 But here's the thing. One peoples project.com is where you can find the, 1099 01:11:06,260 --> 01:11:08,640 uh, uh, find us. 1100 01:11:09,290 --> 01:11:14,240 We're also on Facebook as one people's project. We're also on thre, well, 1101 01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:15,800 we're not on thread yet. It's one people's project. 1102 01:11:15,890 --> 01:11:19,120 We're going to be today . Um, 1103 01:11:20,650 --> 01:11:24,240 we're on Twitter for WhatsApp work these days as one people's project. 1104 01:11:25,220 --> 01:11:27,160 We also have a newsline called I, 1105 01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:28,960 and we are on Instagram at One People's project. 1106 01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:34,470 We're also on Instagram and at, uh, at, oh, 1107 01:11:34,650 --> 01:11:39,310 I'm sorry. We're, um, we also have another website called Ida Vox. Ida a v o s. 1108 01:11:39,900 --> 01:11:41,630 It's named after Ida D. Wells, 1109 01:11:41,730 --> 01:11:46,670 who we consider to be someone who has spoken out about things when 1110 01:11:46,670 --> 01:11:49,150 no one else would. So ida vox.com. 1111 01:11:49,380 --> 01:11:53,190 Twitter is Ida at opp. Instagram is just IDA Box, 1112 01:11:54,210 --> 01:11:58,870 and we can always use donations. We got stuff to sell. We got t-shirts and um, 1113 01:11:59,340 --> 01:12:04,270 pens and CDs. Somebody actually made a, um, cd, uh, 1114 01:12:05,530 --> 01:12:10,470 to benefit us. And that's on our website right now. It's a punk cd. So, um, 1115 01:12:10,530 --> 01:12:14,830 you know, I enjoy it. , watch the movie Skin on Amazon Prime. 1116 01:12:15,210 --> 01:12:19,470 You can find a short film Skin that actually won an Oscar. It's on YouTube. 1117 01:12:20,170 --> 01:12:21,390 You can find, um. 1118 01:12:22,220 --> 01:12:23,053 Erasing Hate. 1119 01:12:23,580 --> 01:12:27,110 Erasing Hate Is Somewhere In the Wind. I think it's on Tub. 1120 01:12:27,190 --> 01:12:30,230 B T u B I I think it's on, I think it's on that. 1121 01:12:30,540 --> 01:12:34,830 There's also a documentary that, um, I'm a participant in called, um, 1122 01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:39,150 AltRight Age of Rage. That was on Netflix for a while. Um, 1123 01:12:39,370 --> 01:12:41,870 that's in the wind now too. Um, 1124 01:12:42,100 --> 01:12:44,630 there's also a documentary called We Don't Walk In Fear, 1125 01:12:44,850 --> 01:12:49,430 but you pretty much have to go to film festivals or invite me to Your Town 1126 01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,670 where I can just show it to you. Um, because we're not putting it out there yet. 1127 01:12:53,670 --> 01:12:57,950 We wanna see where it goes. Um, and that's that. 1128 01:12:58,570 --> 01:13:02,110 And, um, but like I said, go to our website if you, we really could use, um, 1129 01:13:02,810 --> 01:13:03,870 the support, um, 1130 01:13:03,870 --> 01:13:06,790 because I've been bouncing around the country for the past couple of, um, 1131 01:13:07,290 --> 01:13:11,790 months and uh, I want to keep doing that, but I want to keep seeing everybody. 1132 01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:13,750 I mean, I'm having a good time with that. So. 1133 01:13:13,890 --> 01:13:16,550 If you come to California, to Los Angeles, let me know. 1134 01:13:17,790 --> 01:13:21,190 I will be in Los Angeles soon enough. I just don't know when, uh, 1135 01:13:21,190 --> 01:13:24,510 it's just a matter of somebody calling me and say, Hey, come on out, . 1136 01:13:25,140 --> 01:13:27,990 Yeah, for sure. Thank you so much for your time today. 1137 01:13:28,810 --> 01:13:30,870 Ah, thank you. I appreciate all of this. 1138 01:13:31,380 --> 01:13:35,750 Yeah, thank you. I really enjoyed the conversation and I mean, 1139 01:13:35,810 --> 01:13:38,470 choose Love Over Hate. I think that's the best way to go. 1140 01:13:39,170 --> 01:13:43,790 Indeed, indeed. Choose Love Over Hate because the residual's better. 1141 01:13:44,110 --> 01:13:47,870 I mean, our slogan is Hate Ass Consequences, but Love has its benefits, baby. 1142 01:13:48,260 --> 01:13:49,110 Believe all that. 1143 01:13:50,510 --> 01:13:53,710 Absolutely. Thank you. Thanks for listening everybody. Bye. 1144 01:13:54,460 --> 01:13:55,390 Alright, take care. 1145 01:13:57,500 --> 01:13:59,310 Rate review and subscribe to Hey, 1146 01:13:59,310 --> 01:14:03,150 human on iTunes or wherever you get your podcast. Thanks. Bye.