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This fourth of July as we go about

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our activities with family and friends,

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we should all take some time to reflect

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upon the true significance of the holiday.

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Yes. It's a

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celebration of our country's

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declaration of independence from Great Britain but it

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is much more than that. It's a

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celebration of an idea that was revolutionary then

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and unfortunate

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is still considered revolutionary by many today,

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the declaration of independence, bold states

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We hold these truths to be self evident

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that all men are created equal.

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That they are endowed by their creator with

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certain una

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rights,

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Among these are life,

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liberty,

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and the pursuit of happiness

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that to secure these rights, governments are instituted

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among men,

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deriving their just powers from the consent of

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the governed

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that whenever any form of government becomes destructive

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of these ends,

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It is the right of the people to

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alter or to abolish it and

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institute a new government.

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This

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revolutionary

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declaration is the

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foundation of American political thought and has inspired

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millions around the world for the 235

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years since Thomas Jefferson wrote it.

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The common view at the time was that

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rights were granted by the government to the

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people.

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Instead, Jefferson

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declared there is a higher law,

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una

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right

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that every human has by their mere existence.

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Government only has those powers granted to it

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by the people to protect these natural rights.

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Unfortunately,

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today, it seems that many have rejected Jefferson

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declaration

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and have returned to the antiquated idea

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of government

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supremacy.

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They define

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patriotism

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as hoarding the government,

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most disheartening of all are the discussions

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about the constitution.

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Political comment,

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major party politicians, and supreme court nominees,

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talk about our

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constitutional rights as if the government were granting

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us our rights through the constitution.

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Nothing could be farther from the truth.

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In the

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constitution,

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the founders

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again made it abundantly

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clear that all power comes from the people

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The constitution is a document where people have

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granted the government certain limited powers.

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We the people of the United States.

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In order to form a more perfect union,

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establish justice,

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ensure domestic tranquility

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provide for the common defense,

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promote the general welfare

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and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves,

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an our

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do or gain and establish this

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constitution for the United states

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of America.

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Benjamin Franklin said, they that can give up

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essential liberty to obtain a little temporary

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safety

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deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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The author of this thoughtful,

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powerfully written peace mister Jim Ron.

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Suggest that we take a moment this for

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of July from our celebrations that we might

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reflect on the founder vision for America,

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and how if I might add,

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we ever let it get

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so far astra.

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Broadcasting from behind the second amendment iron curtain

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in the shadows of the New York City

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skyline. This is gun for higher radio. A

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voice of 1000000 New Jersey gun owners with

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your hosts, Sandy Be, and master firearms trainer,

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Anthony C.

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Maya from Land

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broadcast

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the nation. Welcome to it.

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Hello. Hello Hello.

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So gun for higher radio episode 6

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And, we're hoping the next time we have

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this guy on the show. He's gonna have

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news for us on, sensitive places salt weapons

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band and magazine

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capacity.

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But for now, we have a huge huge

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case that we're going to discuss.

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some other supreme court movement,

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it's gonna be a very interesting show I

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wanna remind everybody because we still get a

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ton of questions,

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and you see so many questions on like

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the Garden state guns read page, etcetera, etcetera.

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Like follow share for higher radio and share,

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far why, would everybody who's interested in the

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constitution and their freedom and, of course, firearms

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and ownership

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because knowledge is power. So without further ado

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from Heartland Win in Ridge, New Jersey,

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none other than 2 a

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lawyer extra heir in the state of New

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Jersey, Daniel Sc. Dan welcome back again.

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Good morning, guys. I hope you had a

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great independence day. We did. I know I

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know I did.

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I spent a good chunk of my day

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at gun for hire with my girlfriend Laura.

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We did some.

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It was a lot of fun.

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And Anthony I had to tell you,

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your Rs o J did a great job.

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Thank you. He needs he's he's really great.

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So, thank you, Anthony meeting great time there,

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and it's a great way to spend an

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independence day to celebrate

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freedom,

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by shooting.

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And Dan and I spell.

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And by the John Adams?

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Yes. The guy. John at, tell me about

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John Adams was there.

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John John Adams was there if you could

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believe it.

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John has. So so many people aren't aware

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of this, but he sucked to his shot.

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He was... He can't eat a fucking thing.

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He was he was awful. It was barrel.

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And he wasn't and he wasn't a very

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good writer either. John. Clint part. And beard

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down. Just just feel you can't have beers

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You know, they said John Angelo is a

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great writer. You think was a terrible writer.

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He made a d that looked like a

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pee. He made it father

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I'm sure terrible writer.

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Just Samuel Adam was the beer Adams. That

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was the beer at it. Yes. But John

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Adams drank a lot of beer. So So,

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Dan, I was I was in your, law

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firm neck woods

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independence that. I watched the fireworks in Ridge,

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New Jersey. Right? Right by your firm. Excellent.

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Stuff. So it was great. Place to have

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a law firm and watch? Yes. Oh, yeah.

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I was... What Was what I was gonna

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say about John Adams is that... Yes.

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People recall that the actual vote

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on the, on the of, the

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independence resolution took place on 07/02/1776.

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wrote to his wife Abigail,

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telling her about the vote and how amazing

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it wasn't how momentous that

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it was, and he talked about,

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how July second

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annually.

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and he talks about parade and pom and...

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illumination, you know, fireworks.

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Shows and guns. So John Adams specifically instructed

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us that we should celebrate

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independence with guns. And so why not go

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to the? He got today on,

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He he thought we were gonna to sell.

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He was close. We've got... We we celebrated

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the document. That's fine. But, John Adams says

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split

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instructed us to celebrate

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independent state with guns and so let's go

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to the range. Gun for hire.

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You heard him.

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You heard,

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So so dan share with everybody

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in in order that you want. We're gonna

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we're gonna talk about the Supreme Court G

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r's, the Chevron in other cases. We're gonna

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you're gonna update on New Jersey cases and

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maybe get into a few other things. So

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hit us, baby, tell us everything we need

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Sure. So that this was a pretty momentous

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term at the Supreme Court. A lot of

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very interesting stuff happened

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relating to the second amendment.

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generally,

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you know, not necessarily directly related to firearms

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in the second minute, but that is should

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be of interest

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to gun owners and people

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who care about liberty and freedom generally.

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with the G r's just because the least.

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A bunch of interesting things happened.

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Just to remind your listeners, I know, many

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of your listeners know what a G is,

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but for some... For those people who don't

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vacate

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rem band.

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when it's not going to decide the case

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on the merits,

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but what it's gonna do is it wants

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to send the case back down to the

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lower courts to be to... Basically for a

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do over, and there's most often happens, not

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always like this. But it most often happens

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when there are pending

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petitions

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for review by the court,

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while the court is hearing a case on

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a similar subject.

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And, of course, as we know, the court

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decided Re this term,

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petitions before the court dealing with second amendment

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that's what once the court decided Ra,

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it decided to to G a number of

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cases and send them back to lower courts

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for with with instructions to decide the case

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in light of Ra.

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And in light of simply means, you know,

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look, we decided this case, do it over

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the decision we just made. It's it's not

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telling the lower courts how to do it

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or what to do, just it's a do

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over. You gotta consider this new decision and

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then, you know, maybe we'll see a later

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what did not get a G.

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Because when a, you know, when a when

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a petition is before the Supreme Court for

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review, a number of things could happen obviously.

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what happens. That's the end of the case.

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end of the case if the case is

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at the, you know, at its at its

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A case, a petition could be denied

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when the case comes up

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early in the case for what's called Inter

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derogatory review and when the when the petitions

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deny that simply means that particular application is

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over.

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Obviously, the petition can be granted

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in on the marriage in which case, the

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court is going to hear it and review

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it and decide the case on the merits.

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But then there's this in between thing called

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the G,

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where they're just simply sending it back down

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for a duo over.

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And so,

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W Ro

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was being considered by the court this turn.

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There were a number of petitions that were

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brought to the court. So,

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1 1 such petition was

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the anton yu case,

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which is 1 of the

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carry cases, 1 of the brew response

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cases that came out of the court of

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appeals for the second circuit. This was a

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challenge

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to New York york's B response law. If

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you remember,

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New York was the first state to have

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a sort of an ap,

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you know,

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response

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to Brewing, New York passed, its anti bro

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law a week after B was decided in

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20 22.

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Yep. And New York went first, New Jersey

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went second,

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followed by Maryland, California, Hawaii. That kind of

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thing

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and there were 5 cases. There... There's there's

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more than 5 cases

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against New York on on their broom response

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law.

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Pending, but the there were the first 5

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cases all came up to the court of

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appeals from the second circuit as a group.

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And

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the the the second circuit gave a sort

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of a mixed ruling.

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Some some some good stuff a bunch of

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bad stuff, but

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the the the plaintiffs in the antioch case

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decided to file a petition, a limited

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petition

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with the Supreme court, because,

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remember, and, again, I I mentioned this briefly

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before, but to remind your

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your listeners,

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the the carry cases, including the new Jersey

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Carry K Siegel,

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are at the beginning. The the the carry

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cases,

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including the New york cases and New Jersey

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cases,

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we're at the preliminary injunction stage. That is

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good application to the court

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to

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to up to put a hold on these

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laws while the cases being lit.

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You know, 1 of the things that we

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we will typically do in these kinds of

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cases

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is especially especially when a new laws is

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passed,

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but not always.

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But when... But these were brand new laws

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that were passed in in the lake of

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Brooklyn.

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And

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what we did in new Jersey and what

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the plaintiffs did in New York is they

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they said, looked,

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these are unconstitutional.

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We we we want the court to put

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a hold on these laws so that they

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don't go into effect while we're lit getting.

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This creates all kinds of new owners on

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constitutional rules In the course you put these

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on hold,

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while we're lit litigation to final judgment because

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litigation can take years, why should we be

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subject to these

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unconstitutional rules

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while we're trying to indicate our rights for,

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you know, several years.

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And so Yep.

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And so

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the New York cases went first, the New

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Jersey cases went next.

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And as a result of the appeal in

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the New York cases,

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the the anton knuckle complaint just decided to

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bring a limited

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petition to the Supreme Court to decide a

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narrow issue an important issue, but but a

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narrow issue in the sense that they were

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asking the court to dis to decide the

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17 91

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versus 18 68 question.

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What is the relevant

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timeframe frame for the brewing

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historical analysis?

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Do you look to the time of the,

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ratification of the second amendment,

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which would have been around 17 91

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or do you look to the time of

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the ratification of the fourteenth amendment would have

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been in the in the vicinity of 18

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68.

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And that, you know, that can matter.

401
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Potentially be

402
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sort of what sort of proves

403
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historical proves the state is trying to present.

404
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And so

405
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in in the wake of the Ra decisions,

406
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Supreme Court, G, the

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position, a petition,

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of vacated the decision below and sent it

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back down, which is very important because that

410
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now tees up this 17 91 versus 18

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68

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issue in the second circuit specific. Right? And

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it it reflects,

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a a... The idea that this this issue

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could matter. Let me remind your listeners that

416
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the Supreme Court in ruin

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disgust the 17 91 versus 18 68 issue,

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but did not decide it. And the reason

419
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the court didn't decide is because the court

420
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said we don't need to. Well, the the

421
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the the state of New York loses either

422
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way, whether you consider

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historical

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citations

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at the near the founding around 17 91

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or whether you consider later,

427
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sites patients around 8 02:60 either way, the

428
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state of New York was unable to show

429
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an historical tradition sufficient to support the challenge

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law. And so the court, and the court

431
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will will generally not decide issues that it

432
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doesn't have to decide. There's a rule,

433
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there's AAA general rule

434
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of of a judicial approach, which says that

435
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the court should not decide issues that doesn't

436
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have to decide in order to resolve the

437
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case.

438
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Particularly

439
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constitutional issues. And so since the court was

440
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able to decide bruno without resolving that that

441
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issue of which timeframe frame was the the

442
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relevant time frame, it discussed... It raised the

443
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the question,

444
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but didn't didn't need to decide. So, you

445
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know, that's out there. As your... Your your

446
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teachers may recall from from,

447
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prior appearances on the show.

448
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The this issue has been resolved for now

449
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in the third circuit in the Lara case.

450
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Which is case occasionally came out of Pennsylvania.

451
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In the third circuit, of, the the the

452
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current

453
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status of the law is that 17 91

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use the relevant time frame. Mh. But we'll

455
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see how that plays out because that's not,

456
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you know, the Supreme Court gets the final

457
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word on these kinds of things. But it

458
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is nice to know that for now, in

459
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the third circuit is 17 91.

460
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By the way, that's our circuit, ladies and

461
00:17:45,454 --> 00:17:48,094
gentlemen. For... Yes. That that covers New Jersey.

462
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Right.

463
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So that... Through that... That's a very interesting

464
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G that came this term, and I think

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people are are pretty pretty excited to see

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that.

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And then there's another series of G r's,

468
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which,

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are more directly relevant to ra

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in the senate that here

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recall that Ra was about a federal statute

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18 S usc 09:22

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g 8, which is 1 of the a

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federal prohibit

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for firearms

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possession. So 09:22 g is a statute that

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is a a laundry list of prohibit for

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possession of firearms.

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And g 8 was the parameter

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for someone who is subject to a domestic

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violence restraining war. But there's a whole bunch

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of inhibitors as people know,

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and

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some of these came up on petitions to

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the Supreme Court while Ra he was pending.

486
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1 of the big ones, and 1 of

487
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the ones that is... Has been the subject

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of a lot of controversy discussion and litigation

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is 09:22 g 1, which is otherwise known

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as the felon in possession prohibit.

491
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And so there were

492
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4 petitions dealing with 09:22 g 1.

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The 1 that may be most

494
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failure to your listeners is a case called

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range.

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And the reason it might be most familiar

497
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because it came out of the third circuit,

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our circuit.

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And

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in that case,

501
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the issue was

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who had been convicted of food stamp fraud.

503
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And it the key to these cases is

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that each of these cases in 1 way

505
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or another imp indicates the concept of a

506
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nonviolent felon.

507
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You know, sort of the Martha Stewart concept.

508
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Right? You, should Martha Stewart,

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who was convicted of a nonviolent felony for

510
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some something like that, should they be... Should

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they lose their right to keep and bear

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arms permanently.

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And

514
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as these cases have been lit as, you

515
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know, in as we've sort of moved forward

516
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in a post grew in world, this concept

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of

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is is a is a vial is a

519
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violent person versus a non nonviolent person,

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subject to

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the dives investment of the right to keep

522
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bear arms. What is the basis? How do

523
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you determine what sort of a person can

524
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be part of the keep their arms? And

525
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so these 09:22 g 1 cases tee up

526
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that issue directly. Because it looks, if we

527
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look at Ra heme, Right? In these cases

528
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are sort of the opposite ends of the

529
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spectrum

530
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Ra was an incredibly violent person, his background,

531
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and he probably should have been charged and

532
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convicted with all sorts of violent crimes even

533
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before the restraining order issue arose.

534
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And so in the sense, it's a fairly

535
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easy from a factual perspective,

536
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His case kinda is he's a really bad

537
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violent guy. So the question becomes when you

538
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flip to the other end of spectrum you

539
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have all sorts of non nonviolent felon,

540
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and the question becomes

541
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how can you if pop if you can,

542
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prevent these people from exercising the right to

543
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keep their arms. So range

544
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is food stamps,

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the that of the third circuit.

546
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And they and he and he and he

547
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paid his dues. He he paid his dues,

548
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you know, fine

549
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probation, he paid the fight and everything. So

550
00:21:10,125 --> 00:21:12,530
he he's he's k now. It's not like

551
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he's still living on the lamb or anything,

552
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and I believe everybody deserves a second chance.

553
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I just wanna interject that. Non nonviolent felon,

554
00:21:20,094 --> 00:21:22,487
who who confessed up to it plead guilty,

555
00:21:22,886 --> 00:21:25,757
you know, made his restitution. So I believe

556
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he should be able to exercise his second

557
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amendment rights as well as vote. Go ahead,

558
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Dan.

559
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Right. And and importantly,

560
00:21:32,953 --> 00:21:35,608
in the the third circuit decided in favor

561
00:21:35,747 --> 00:21:38,323
of range. So the third circuit

562
00:21:38,781 --> 00:21:39,281
decision

563
00:21:40,709 --> 00:21:42,564
held that you could not

564
00:21:43,338 --> 00:21:44,317
dives vest range

565
00:21:44,773 --> 00:21:46,900
of his right to keep their arms. Now

566
00:21:47,179 --> 00:21:47,679
So

567
00:21:48,614 --> 00:21:50,449
I wanna get into an interesting point, which

568
00:21:50,449 --> 00:21:51,645
is kind of important, but I'll sort of

569
00:21:51,645 --> 00:21:53,001
get to that afterwards.

570
00:21:53,719 --> 00:21:56,192
After I go through these these various 09:22

571
00:21:56,192 --> 00:21:58,123
g 1 cases So there's a case out

572
00:21:58,123 --> 00:21:59,002
of the tenth circuit,

573
00:22:00,121 --> 00:22:00,440
vincent,

574
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:01,739
which was

575
00:22:02,837 --> 00:22:04,995
a conviction for writing bad checks.

576
00:22:05,729 --> 00:22:08,921
Again, a non nonviolent felony. But Vincent was

577
00:22:08,921 --> 00:22:10,517
on the losing sides of the tenth circuit,

578
00:22:12,113 --> 00:22:15,399
ruled against instance And so immediately you have

579
00:22:15,399 --> 00:22:17,313
what was called, what's called a split in

580
00:22:17,313 --> 00:22:17,872
the circuits,

581
00:22:18,509 --> 00:22:21,221
where you have different courts of appeals, so

582
00:22:21,221 --> 00:22:23,056
that the third circuit as as we've discussed

583
00:22:23,056 --> 00:22:25,379
covers New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware,

584
00:22:26,175 --> 00:22:27,448
and the the

585
00:22:27,925 --> 00:22:29,118
the Virgin Islands.

586
00:22:30,312 --> 00:22:32,882
The tenth circuit isn't is, I believe if

587
00:22:32,962 --> 00:22:34,161
I recall correctly in the Mountain States.

588
00:22:35,439 --> 00:22:37,357
And so you have 2 different courts of

589
00:22:37,357 --> 00:22:39,695
appeals from different areas of the country coming

590
00:22:39,929 --> 00:22:40,829
out differently

591
00:22:41,368 --> 00:22:42,747
on an issue of fundamental

592
00:22:43,126 --> 00:22:45,683
constitutional law. That's the kind of thing that

593
00:22:45,683 --> 00:22:48,580
the the Supreme Court will often look for

594
00:22:49,054 --> 00:22:51,691
in order to determine whether to hear a

595
00:22:51,691 --> 00:22:53,629
case. So even though

596
00:22:54,168 --> 00:22:57,385
these cases were G that is sent back

597
00:22:57,539 --> 00:22:58,412
for a do over,

598
00:22:59,602 --> 00:23:02,301
we have a very clean split in the

599
00:23:02,301 --> 00:23:03,967
circuits that when they come back,

600
00:23:05,813 --> 00:23:07,329
later on, I may may very welcome come

601
00:23:07,329 --> 00:23:09,244
back later on. We don't know if the

602
00:23:09,244 --> 00:23:11,240
courts on a rem man will decide them

603
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,730
differently they may or they may not. Or

604
00:23:13,730 --> 00:23:15,890
right now, there's a split in the circuit

605
00:23:15,890 --> 00:23:17,890
then we don't know we don't know what's

606
00:23:17,890 --> 00:23:19,910
gonna happen on renamed because these decisions

607
00:23:20,369 --> 00:23:22,701
have been vacated. So technically, We don't have

608
00:23:22,701 --> 00:23:25,559
a circuit split because these cases don't are

609
00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:28,019
good law anymore, but they may we may

610
00:23:28,019 --> 00:23:29,290
still have a circuit split when they come

611
00:23:29,290 --> 00:23:32,254
back up. We'll see, the eighth circuit. There

612
00:23:32,254 --> 00:23:34,249
are 3... There were 3 petitions coming out

613
00:23:34,249 --> 00:23:36,085
of the eighth circuit, which is the Midwest,

614
00:23:37,042 --> 00:23:37,920
case called Jackson,

615
00:23:38,334 --> 00:23:40,490
Now Jackson, it was sort of a low

616
00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:41,448
level drug dealer.

617
00:23:42,486 --> 00:23:44,002
The question becomes is that a file and

618
00:23:44,002 --> 00:23:45,519
felony or not. It becomes it's a little

619
00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:47,730
closer call. III would I would say it's

620
00:23:47,849 --> 00:23:50,726
probably not a valid felony. Mh probably be

621
00:23:50,726 --> 00:23:52,244
able to dives defend that person with the

622
00:23:52,244 --> 00:23:54,182
right keep runs, but it's a little different

623
00:23:54,322 --> 00:23:55,840
than something like just fraud.

624
00:23:56,890 --> 00:23:58,900
Then you have a case called Cunningham.

625
00:23:59,433 --> 00:24:01,364
Now, this is interesting. So this guy's

626
00:24:01,897 --> 00:24:04,123
underlying felon that got him in trouble under

627
00:24:04,123 --> 00:24:05,156
922G1,

628
00:24:05,569 --> 00:24:06,468
was ADW

629
00:24:07,244 --> 00:24:10,912
and a prior felony possession conviction under 09:22

630
00:24:10,912 --> 00:24:13,065
g 1. So he was convicted under 09:22

631
00:24:13,065 --> 00:24:15,313
g 1 because he had previously convicted under

632
00:24:15,313 --> 00:24:16,189
09:22

633
00:24:16,189 --> 00:24:16,348
1.

634
00:24:17,065 --> 00:24:18,361
So it's interesting meta

635
00:24:19,056 --> 00:24:21,206
violation there. And then his case called dos,

636
00:24:21,764 --> 00:24:23,890
now Dos presents another interesting

637
00:24:24,327 --> 00:24:26,474
situation because Dos had a whole series of

638
00:24:26,474 --> 00:24:29,258
prior convictions, some of which might be violent

639
00:24:29,258 --> 00:24:30,849
into some of which are not. He had

640
00:24:30,849 --> 00:24:32,462
to get sole conviction

641
00:24:32,774 --> 00:24:34,393
So so he's kind of a

642
00:24:35,411 --> 00:24:35,651
a,

643
00:24:36,769 --> 00:24:39,006
sort of a sma of different kinds of

644
00:24:39,006 --> 00:24:41,578
felon, but what the What, the the the

645
00:24:41,578 --> 00:24:43,576
interesting thing about these 3 eighth circuit cases

646
00:24:43,576 --> 00:24:44,796
is the eighth circuit

647
00:24:45,255 --> 00:24:46,074
didn't even

648
00:24:46,613 --> 00:24:49,570
analyze the underlying felony. So the eighth circuit

649
00:24:49,570 --> 00:24:50,644
just accepted

650
00:24:51,101 --> 00:24:53,435
that that that you could not bring

651
00:24:53,813 --> 00:24:54,632
a challenge

652
00:24:55,089 --> 00:24:58,917
to the, felony possession prohibition, no matter what

653
00:24:58,917 --> 00:24:59,896
the underlying

654
00:25:00,368 --> 00:25:02,303
charge was. And so even Dos

655
00:25:02,679 --> 00:25:04,831
where the state might... The the government might

656
00:25:04,831 --> 00:25:05,549
reasonably argue.

657
00:25:06,106 --> 00:25:07,780
Yes, this guy did have violent felon,

658
00:25:08,273 --> 00:25:10,499
They the the argument of the petition was,

659
00:25:10,658 --> 00:25:12,169
you can't just do that. You have to

660
00:25:12,169 --> 00:25:14,418
look at the actual underlying behavior

661
00:25:15,111 --> 00:25:17,710
and determine as a matter of historical tradition

662
00:25:17,908 --> 00:25:21,087
is this the kind of person who can

663
00:25:21,087 --> 00:25:23,710
valid under the constitution be dives best right

664
00:25:23,710 --> 00:25:26,030
to keep their arms. And so the the

665
00:25:26,030 --> 00:25:27,859
argument in in the eighth circuit cases is

666
00:25:27,859 --> 00:25:29,688
you're not doing that. You have to do

667
00:25:29,688 --> 00:25:31,358
that. Now, that this is where I wanna

668
00:25:31,358 --> 00:25:32,710
get to the point that I was mentioning

669
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:32,949
before.

670
00:25:33,664 --> 00:25:36,009
The difference between what's referred to is as

671
00:25:36,227 --> 00:25:37,285
applied challenge

672
00:25:37,822 --> 00:25:39,018
and a facial challenge.

673
00:25:39,656 --> 00:25:42,687
So Ra was a facial challenge. When you

674
00:25:42,687 --> 00:25:45,813
bring a facial challenge under the constitution, you're

675
00:25:45,813 --> 00:25:46,871
saying that

676
00:25:47,409 --> 00:25:49,744
the statute is entirely early

677
00:25:50,202 --> 00:25:53,647
unconstitutional. On its face, it is unconstitutional in

678
00:25:53,647 --> 00:25:54,147
every

679
00:25:54,682 --> 00:25:55,182
possible

680
00:25:55,717 --> 00:25:55,876
application.

681
00:25:56,672 --> 00:25:58,127
And as applied challenge

682
00:25:58,502 --> 00:25:59,059
is saying,

683
00:25:59,776 --> 00:26:00,435
this is

684
00:26:00,811 --> 00:26:02,164
unconstitutional as applied to me.

685
00:26:03,213 --> 00:26:04,964
He's... If you're not saying that it's in...

686
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,294
Unconstitutional in all circumstances,

687
00:26:07,670 --> 00:26:10,136
but you can't constitutional apply this to me

688
00:26:10,136 --> 00:26:11,591
because of my particular

689
00:26:11,966 --> 00:26:13,437
situations. My facts

690
00:26:13,973 --> 00:26:17,240
don't allow the application of this law under

691
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,869
the constitution. Now that's that's a good difference

692
00:26:19,869 --> 00:26:22,042
because in Ra he, 1 of the problems

693
00:26:22,751 --> 00:26:23,069
that,

694
00:26:23,943 --> 00:26:24,682
Were he

695
00:26:25,135 --> 00:26:28,553
faced in challenging 09:22 g 8, which was

696
00:26:28,553 --> 00:26:29,689
this... Which was the

697
00:26:30,716 --> 00:26:33,265
the this the prohibit statute. Was that,

698
00:26:34,062 --> 00:26:36,850
a facial challenge is really hard to to

699
00:26:36,850 --> 00:26:39,295
to must. You have to show that the

700
00:26:39,575 --> 00:26:41,035
that that it is never

701
00:26:41,335 --> 00:26:42,535
constitutional to apply that statute.

702
00:26:43,095 --> 00:26:46,295
All of these Tv range, Vincent Jackson cunningham

703
00:26:46,295 --> 00:26:49,430
and Dos or as applied challenges because because

704
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:52,150
it's a much harder argument to make that

705
00:26:52,150 --> 00:26:53,190
you can never,

706
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:56,477
digest a felon of the right to keep

707
00:26:56,477 --> 00:26:58,304
their arms because many felon as we know,

708
00:26:58,383 --> 00:27:01,242
are are violent felon. And so none of

709
00:27:01,242 --> 00:27:01,742
these

710
00:27:02,513 --> 00:27:03,625
parties, none of these

711
00:27:04,181 --> 00:27:06,984
individuals are trying claim that you can never

712
00:27:06,984 --> 00:27:08,978
dives vest a felon of the right to

713
00:27:08,978 --> 00:27:11,211
keep their arms simply that you can't dives

714
00:27:11,211 --> 00:27:12,806
vest me of the right to keep their

715
00:27:12,806 --> 00:27:15,095
arms for various reasons including that

716
00:27:15,614 --> 00:27:17,291
I am not a violent person. And therefore,

717
00:27:17,371 --> 00:27:19,070
there's no constitutional basis

718
00:27:19,449 --> 00:27:21,286
to dives vest me of my right fundamental

719
00:27:21,286 --> 00:27:22,005
right to keep bear arms.

720
00:27:22,738 --> 00:27:25,232
Under the constitution. So so these cases

721
00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:28,561
are are are are going to... As they

722
00:27:28,561 --> 00:27:30,076
come back and look, we don't know what

723
00:27:30,076 --> 00:27:31,672
the third search is gonna do. We don't

724
00:27:31,672 --> 00:27:33,438
know if about third circuit is good chance

725
00:27:33,438 --> 00:27:34,632
that the third circle will come out the

726
00:27:34,632 --> 00:27:36,700
same way because the third circuit came out

727
00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:39,166
favorably to the constitutional right. So if I

728
00:27:39,166 --> 00:27:41,332
were predicting what third circuit is gonna do

729
00:27:41,332 --> 00:27:43,164
on rem men. I expect it to to

730
00:27:43,164 --> 00:27:45,554
be basically the same. But the tenth circuit

731
00:27:45,554 --> 00:27:48,599
and the eighth circuit that that rule against

732
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:50,593
these individuals against the right to keep their

733
00:27:50,593 --> 00:27:52,587
arms. It'll be very interested to see what

734
00:27:52,587 --> 00:27:54,740
they do when they look at these cases

735
00:27:54,740 --> 00:27:56,596
again because they're now required

736
00:27:56,908 --> 00:27:58,419
to take a look at these more... On

737
00:27:58,419 --> 00:27:59,929
a more individualized basis.

738
00:28:00,486 --> 00:28:02,711
And if they come out the same way,

739
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:04,222
we'll have that circuit split again.

740
00:28:05,192 --> 00:28:07,264
But if they come out in favor of

741
00:28:07,264 --> 00:28:08,061
the individuals,

742
00:28:08,619 --> 00:28:10,611
then we may not have a circuit split

743
00:28:10,611 --> 00:28:13,172
and on the way back up, we may

744
00:28:13,172 --> 00:28:14,757
not see... You know, Supreme court may have

745
00:28:14,757 --> 00:28:15,732
a very different

746
00:28:16,579 --> 00:28:18,718
situation to contend with on the way back

747
00:28:18,718 --> 00:28:20,881
up. So You know, the these these cases

748
00:28:20,881 --> 00:28:23,433
seem like a really good fall on to

749
00:28:23,513 --> 00:28:25,028
Ra heme being at the opposite end of

750
00:28:25,028 --> 00:28:27,501
the spectrum, but we may find that the

751
00:28:27,501 --> 00:28:28,001
circuits

752
00:28:28,378 --> 00:28:29,596
uniformly apply

753
00:28:31,025 --> 00:28:32,961
bro and Ra in favor

754
00:28:33,338 --> 00:28:35,332
of non nonviolent felons, and we may we

755
00:28:35,332 --> 00:28:36,688
may find that we don't need the supreme

756
00:28:36,688 --> 00:28:38,283
court to tell us that because the courts

757
00:28:38,283 --> 00:28:40,612
of appeals may tell us that. So this

758
00:28:40,612 --> 00:28:42,368
is this is gonna be interesting to watch

759
00:28:42,368 --> 00:28:43,086
as it per.

760
00:28:43,645 --> 00:28:45,320
This is why, you know, your your listeners

761
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,555
have no doubt heard the concept of per

762
00:28:47,555 --> 00:28:49,890
extrapolation. Why Supreme court does make the first

763
00:28:49,890 --> 00:28:51,970
case that comes to it. And this is

764
00:28:51,970 --> 00:28:53,830
why. The Supreme court

765
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:57,654
generally likes to see these issues make their

766
00:28:57,654 --> 00:29:00,200
way through multiple courts to see how the

767
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,029
courts are dealing with it because sometimes like

768
00:29:02,029 --> 00:29:02,586
these G.

769
00:29:03,078 --> 00:29:04,431
This may not come back to them. They

770
00:29:04,431 --> 00:29:06,760
may not need to decide the 09:22

771
00:29:06,976 --> 00:29:10,491
g 1 felon in possession issue because after

772
00:29:10,491 --> 00:29:11,127
these rem,

773
00:29:11,604 --> 00:29:13,195
the courts of appeals may may fall in

774
00:29:13,195 --> 00:29:14,490
line, and they may recognize

775
00:29:15,183 --> 00:29:16,955
of the concept that

776
00:29:17,409 --> 00:29:19,318
you can't dives devi non nonviolent felons with

777
00:29:19,318 --> 00:29:20,683
the right to keep firearms arms. And they

778
00:29:20,683 --> 00:29:22,985
may all now uniformly say, yep No. If

779
00:29:22,985 --> 00:29:24,732
you're a non nonviolent felon, you can bring

780
00:29:24,732 --> 00:29:27,114
an supply challenge, and you can obtain a

781
00:29:27,114 --> 00:29:29,365
judgment that, that you can't be dives deducted

782
00:29:29,365 --> 00:29:30,805
of of the right. So we'll see how

783
00:29:30,805 --> 00:29:32,325
that how that happens, but that's the kind

784
00:29:32,325 --> 00:29:34,005
of thing that Court wants to see wants

785
00:29:34,005 --> 00:29:35,699
to see what these you're not gonna do

786
00:29:35,699 --> 00:29:37,696
with it now that it's remade. So so

787
00:29:37,696 --> 00:29:40,653
those are the those are, almost all the

788
00:29:40,732 --> 00:29:42,411
G r's that I wanna talk about. Then

789
00:29:42,411 --> 00:29:43,265
there's 1 other

790
00:29:43,704 --> 00:29:46,261
interesting in g, which I think is similar

791
00:29:46,261 --> 00:29:47,780
in concept and that's the case called Daniels.

792
00:29:48,259 --> 00:29:50,736
And that was also 09:22 g. That was

793
00:29:50,736 --> 00:29:52,095
09:20 du g 3,

794
00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:54,902
which is the unlawful user of control of

795
00:29:54,902 --> 00:29:55,960
a controlled substance

796
00:29:56,576 --> 00:30:00,266
prohibit, that's also been in subject to discussion

797
00:30:00,404 --> 00:30:00,904
because

798
00:30:01,521 --> 00:30:02,652
with the

799
00:30:03,050 --> 00:30:04,506
the proliferation of laws

800
00:30:04,882 --> 00:30:06,953
legal the use of marijuana.

801
00:30:08,387 --> 00:30:10,936
Additionally, a a medical marijuana, but now recreational

802
00:30:10,936 --> 00:30:13,743
marijuana, there are many, many, many people that

803
00:30:13,743 --> 00:30:14,643
are at risk

804
00:30:15,020 --> 00:30:16,137
of committing a,

805
00:30:16,776 --> 00:30:17,515
a federal

806
00:30:18,132 --> 00:30:19,191
a federal crime

807
00:30:19,743 --> 00:30:21,521
because they are lawful

808
00:30:21,979 --> 00:30:25,272
users of marijuana under state law, but they're

809
00:30:25,411 --> 00:30:27,726
unlawful users of marijuana under federal law. You

810
00:30:27,726 --> 00:30:30,137
know, it's It's Evan napkins 1 of Evan

811
00:30:30,137 --> 00:30:31,037
napkins favorite

812
00:30:32,933 --> 00:30:35,330
concepts. You can have Bang or bong, but

813
00:30:35,330 --> 00:30:35,810
not both.

814
00:30:36,778 --> 00:30:38,444
This is a this is a real problem.

815
00:30:39,792 --> 00:30:41,879
This is a real problem because many people

816
00:30:42,093 --> 00:30:43,601
don't realize that they're not risking. You and

817
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,681
They think to themselves Well, now marijuana has

818
00:30:45,681 --> 00:30:47,351
been legal legalized in my state. So I'm

819
00:30:47,351 --> 00:30:49,179
fine. Right? Not right.

820
00:30:49,656 --> 00:30:51,564
She you you could be perfectly legal under

821
00:30:51,564 --> 00:30:53,472
state law, but you could be violating federal

822
00:30:53,472 --> 00:30:55,403
law. And that's that's the... What the daniel

823
00:30:55,403 --> 00:30:57,480
case is about. Daniel's daniels is about a,

824
00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:00,356
a user of marijuana who who got jacked

825
00:31:00,356 --> 00:31:03,005
up under 09:22 chiefs 3. So that presents

826
00:31:03,005 --> 00:31:06,111
a very important issue. Again, not violent felon.

827
00:31:06,510 --> 00:31:07,944
That presents other issues, but as there have

828
00:31:07,944 --> 00:31:10,254
been a number of efforts in Congress to

829
00:31:10,254 --> 00:31:10,971
remove marijuana.

830
00:31:11,623 --> 00:31:13,857
From the controlled substance schedules, but none of

831
00:31:13,857 --> 00:31:16,090
those have been successful so far. So this

832
00:31:16,090 --> 00:31:19,360
issue remains in play. And so this is

833
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,136
a again, another another

834
00:31:22,163 --> 00:31:24,626
another case that tees up that violent versus

835
00:31:24,626 --> 00:31:28,042
non nonviolent fell spectrum that that... Danielle know,

836
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,574
we'll we'll see play out over

837
00:31:30,042 --> 00:31:30,913
you know, the coming years.

838
00:31:31,626 --> 00:31:33,132
So so those those are... Those are the

839
00:31:33,211 --> 00:31:33,766
G r's.

840
00:31:34,479 --> 00:31:34,716
Now,

841
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:38,150
as your listeners are aware, there were other

842
00:31:38,150 --> 00:31:38,970
important cases

843
00:31:39,670 --> 00:31:41,829
up at the Supreme Court petition is as

844
00:31:41,829 --> 00:31:44,089
well. And these are the Illinois

845
00:31:44,723 --> 00:31:47,275
magazine and so called soul living cases.

846
00:31:49,109 --> 00:31:51,102
As you recall, there were a number... I

847
00:31:51,102 --> 00:31:52,857
mean, we we talked about this, you know,

848
00:31:53,988 --> 00:31:56,402
at nausea. There are lots and lots of

849
00:31:56,699 --> 00:31:59,170
magazine and so called assault open cases making

850
00:31:59,170 --> 00:32:00,844
their way through the courts including our own,

851
00:32:01,163 --> 00:32:01,881
here in New Jersey,

852
00:32:02,612 --> 00:32:04,202
And as you know, we're waiting for a

853
00:32:04,202 --> 00:32:05,713
decision from Judge Sheridan and at the district

854
00:32:05,713 --> 00:32:07,859
court, on our summary judgment motions.

855
00:32:09,052 --> 00:32:10,006
But Illinois,

856
00:32:11,454 --> 00:32:12,409
the Illinois cases,

857
00:32:13,523 --> 00:32:14,023
we're

858
00:32:14,717 --> 00:32:15,195
we're

859
00:32:15,593 --> 00:32:18,275
at the preliminary injunction stage. So these are

860
00:32:18,633 --> 00:32:19,611
what's called inter.

861
00:32:19,987 --> 00:32:21,660
They're not final. They're that they're in the

862
00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:22,377
middle of the case.

863
00:32:23,890 --> 00:32:24,390
And

864
00:32:24,846 --> 00:32:27,807
the preliminary junctions were denied by the district

865
00:32:27,807 --> 00:32:30,827
court in these cases. And so the the

866
00:32:30,827 --> 00:32:31,327
plaintiffs

867
00:32:32,020 --> 00:32:32,497
sought

868
00:32:32,894 --> 00:32:34,961
review by the supreme Court and filed petitions

869
00:32:34,961 --> 00:32:36,073
in the room there were several of them.

870
00:32:36,964 --> 00:32:39,681
And these were petitions that were also being

871
00:32:39,681 --> 00:32:40,421
held on

872
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:42,099
pending Ra

873
00:32:42,557 --> 00:32:44,496
and unlike the G cases,

874
00:32:45,208 --> 00:32:46,802
these... These petitions were denied.

875
00:32:47,439 --> 00:32:47,598
Now,

876
00:32:51,104 --> 00:32:53,277
the the first thing to realize is that

877
00:32:53,494 --> 00:32:54,585
the Supreme Court

878
00:32:55,816 --> 00:32:59,073
generally doesn't like to take cases that are

879
00:32:59,073 --> 00:33:01,377
inter that is that are not final.

880
00:33:02,503 --> 00:33:04,511
Prefers to resolve the case

881
00:33:04,883 --> 00:33:07,105
as a whole, so that when it resolves

882
00:33:07,105 --> 00:33:08,295
the case, the case is over,

883
00:33:09,168 --> 00:33:11,885
as opposed to taking chase that where the

884
00:33:11,885 --> 00:33:14,112
the record is not fully developed. Remember,

885
00:33:14,828 --> 00:33:16,578
when the kate when a case comes on

886
00:33:16,578 --> 00:33:16,817
appeal,

887
00:33:17,548 --> 00:33:20,260
the appellate court has to decide the case

888
00:33:20,260 --> 00:33:22,334
based on the on the record in the

889
00:33:22,334 --> 00:33:25,524
in the court below. The 4, the record

890
00:33:25,524 --> 00:33:27,174
the easier it is for the court to

891
00:33:27,690 --> 00:33:30,463
understand the issues that are at stake. And

892
00:33:30,463 --> 00:33:32,919
so, you know, on a preliminary injunction record,

893
00:33:33,315 --> 00:33:34,028
it's the beginning.

894
00:33:34,919 --> 00:33:37,396
You have brief. You have Affidavit. Yep.

895
00:33:38,115 --> 00:33:41,471
But you don't have discovery. You don't necessarily

896
00:33:41,471 --> 00:33:41,971
have

897
00:33:42,364 --> 00:33:42,864
testimony,

898
00:33:43,721 --> 00:33:45,716
full testimony like you would have at a

899
00:33:45,716 --> 00:33:48,510
trial or in a summary judgment motion, and

900
00:33:48,510 --> 00:33:51,819
so appellate courts much much prefer to hear

901
00:33:52,118 --> 00:33:55,474
these appeals on fully developed records, which is

902
00:33:55,474 --> 00:33:57,732
why the Supreme court usually doesn't like to

903
00:33:57,791 --> 00:34:00,124
to hear, cases that are that are inter

904
00:34:00,124 --> 00:34:01,482
lock. And that's what happened here.

905
00:34:02,202 --> 00:34:05,159
And there is a... So interestingly. So so

906
00:34:05,159 --> 00:34:05,659
sometimes

907
00:34:06,278 --> 00:34:06,597
when a,

908
00:34:08,116 --> 00:34:11,001
when a petition petitions denied, sometimes you... Usually,

909
00:34:11,161 --> 00:34:13,150
you just it's just certain denied. You don't

910
00:34:13,150 --> 00:34:15,299
learn anything about why was denied or how

911
00:34:15,299 --> 00:34:17,846
was denied or who voted which way. But

912
00:34:17,846 --> 00:34:21,153
sometimes you do. And that happens when

913
00:34:22,331 --> 00:34:24,329
1 of the justices 1 or more of

914
00:34:24,329 --> 00:34:26,027
the justices rights an opinion

915
00:34:26,567 --> 00:34:28,665
about the decision to deny

916
00:34:29,452 --> 00:34:31,354
Sir. And in this case, that's what happened.

917
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:32,250
So

918
00:34:33,018 --> 00:34:36,444
Justice Thomas wrote what's called a statement. Wasn't

919
00:34:36,444 --> 00:34:39,241
wasn't called a a concur that was called

920
00:34:39,241 --> 00:34:39,880
a statement.

921
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,997
And what we learned from Justice Thomas statement.

922
00:34:43,237 --> 00:34:44,675
The first thing we learned is that justice

923
00:34:44,755 --> 00:34:45,255
Ali,

924
00:34:45,729 --> 00:34:48,831
was the just voted to grant the petition.

925
00:34:49,229 --> 00:34:51,217
So nobody else voted to grant the petition.

926
00:34:51,615 --> 00:34:52,625
Just just a

927
00:34:53,142 --> 00:34:54,199
But we also

928
00:34:54,813 --> 00:34:57,120
we also got to hear from just this

929
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:57,780
Thomas

930
00:34:58,473 --> 00:34:59,769
about his thoughts

931
00:35:00,398 --> 00:35:02,146
on these cases.

932
00:35:02,781 --> 00:35:04,608
And he said he said something very interesting.

933
00:35:04,767 --> 00:35:06,459
So the first thing he says is

934
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,729
that he understands the court's reluctance to hear

935
00:35:11,867 --> 00:35:12,686
an inter

936
00:35:13,142 --> 00:35:16,269
case on a petition. And that he's acknowledging

937
00:35:16,269 --> 00:35:18,269
there that the the court really doesn't like

938
00:35:18,269 --> 00:35:20,510
to take a into derogatory case. And and

939
00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:22,269
as we as we saw, he he he

940
00:35:22,269 --> 00:35:24,525
didn't vote to grant either, since only just

941
00:35:24,525 --> 00:35:26,525
as a leader was was what was a

942
00:35:26,525 --> 00:35:29,244
voted favor of granted issue. But he does

943
00:35:29,244 --> 00:35:30,065
talk about

944
00:35:30,605 --> 00:35:31,005
the issues.

945
00:35:32,605 --> 00:35:33,105
And

946
00:35:33,418 --> 00:35:35,192
He talks about the... If he focuses

947
00:35:35,567 --> 00:35:36,067
on

948
00:35:36,761 --> 00:35:39,546
common use, which as your listeners may recall

949
00:35:39,546 --> 00:35:41,775
is a key issue when it comes to

950
00:35:41,775 --> 00:35:44,261
arms bands. And it's a key issue in

951
00:35:44,261 --> 00:35:46,575
our cases before the District court here in

952
00:35:46,575 --> 00:35:48,411
new New Jersey, and it's a key issue

953
00:35:48,411 --> 00:35:51,618
in all of the cases. The idea that

954
00:35:51,618 --> 00:35:53,932
the second amendment protects arms that are in

955
00:35:53,932 --> 00:35:55,928
common use, or as the as the court

956
00:35:55,928 --> 00:35:58,322
actually, the way the court actually phrase Heller,

957
00:36:00,091 --> 00:36:01,148
arms that are

958
00:36:02,078 --> 00:36:05,519
typically possessed by law abiding individuals for lawful

959
00:36:05,655 --> 00:36:06,155
purposes.

960
00:36:06,529 --> 00:36:09,168
And that's generally referred to as the common

961
00:36:09,168 --> 00:36:12,349
use test. And just as Thomas in his

962
00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:12,666
statement,

963
00:36:13,462 --> 00:36:14,575
accompanying the denial of,

964
00:36:15,688 --> 00:36:16,722
in Illinois cases.

965
00:36:17,375 --> 00:36:19,375
Talks about how the the the court of

966
00:36:19,375 --> 00:36:21,614
appeals for the seventh circuit, which is the

967
00:36:21,614 --> 00:36:23,715
appellate court that that heard

968
00:36:24,175 --> 00:36:25,295
the Illinois appeals.

969
00:36:26,026 --> 00:36:27,454
The cases of the illinois cases.

970
00:36:28,248 --> 00:36:31,369
How how it's very, very difficult to reconcile

971
00:36:31,980 --> 00:36:34,623
the judgment of the seventh circuit against

972
00:36:34,934 --> 00:36:35,893
against these plaintiffs,

973
00:36:36,373 --> 00:36:38,211
because they lost it obviously, they lost in

974
00:36:38,211 --> 00:36:40,129
the in the seventh circuit. It's very hard

975
00:36:40,129 --> 00:36:43,166
to reconcile the analysis of the ruling of

976
00:36:43,166 --> 00:36:45,893
the seventh circuit. With the the the pretty

977
00:36:45,893 --> 00:36:49,720
clear concept of common use. And so what

978
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,474
he's basically doing... He's sort of tee up

979
00:36:51,474 --> 00:36:52,532
the idea

980
00:36:53,085 --> 00:36:53,585
that

981
00:36:54,204 --> 00:36:56,045
if these cases come back to the court,

982
00:36:56,284 --> 00:36:58,525
whether it's the Illinois cases or some other

983
00:36:58,525 --> 00:36:58,844
cases,

984
00:36:59,324 --> 00:37:02,558
he's hoping that the supreme court we'll take

985
00:37:02,777 --> 00:37:05,273
some of these cases at some point to

986
00:37:05,331 --> 00:37:05,831
really

987
00:37:06,209 --> 00:37:07,188
make it clear

988
00:37:07,567 --> 00:37:08,545
that that

989
00:37:09,323 --> 00:37:12,046
that courts are to take the concept of

990
00:37:12,046 --> 00:37:13,500
common use seriously.

991
00:37:14,271 --> 00:37:16,099
That's the sort of the purpose of of

992
00:37:16,099 --> 00:37:18,219
him right? He wants to emphasize this comp

993
00:37:18,339 --> 00:37:20,490
this concept of common use, he wants courts

994
00:37:20,490 --> 00:37:23,039
to be serious about the concept of common

995
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:25,748
use that was articulated in Heller because, to

996
00:37:25,748 --> 00:37:27,682
him is absolutely absolutely critical

997
00:37:28,392 --> 00:37:31,738
understanding how to deal with arms, bands. Remember,

998
00:37:32,614 --> 00:37:34,606
you know, secondary academic cases, there are a

999
00:37:34,606 --> 00:37:37,076
lot of different flavors of these academic cases.

1000
00:37:37,650 --> 00:37:40,610
You have, you know, the carry cases, which

1001
00:37:40,610 --> 00:37:41,650
are about conduct,

1002
00:37:42,050 --> 00:37:44,929
when and where can you can you exercise

1003
00:37:44,929 --> 00:37:45,809
you write to bear arms?

1004
00:37:46,541 --> 00:37:49,026
You have cases dealing with permitting and

1005
00:37:49,399 --> 00:37:51,781
qualifications, how do you obtain arms? When can

1006
00:37:51,781 --> 00:37:54,896
you obtain arms? What restrictions? And hoops do

1007
00:37:54,896 --> 00:37:56,811
you have to jump through in order to

1008
00:37:56,811 --> 00:37:58,885
exercise your right to keep bare arms, but

1009
00:37:58,885 --> 00:38:02,234
arms, bands are straight up prohibition. You may

1010
00:38:02,234 --> 00:38:06,077
not possess this fail. Right? And sometimes the

1011
00:38:06,077 --> 00:38:08,469
argument is that it's not an arm. And

1012
00:38:08,469 --> 00:38:11,818
so New Jersey, in our cases has argued

1013
00:38:11,818 --> 00:38:14,302
that these are not magazines in particular are

1014
00:38:14,302 --> 00:38:17,404
not arms. Sometimes it's while their arms, but

1015
00:38:17,404 --> 00:38:19,415
we can prohibit them because we can satisfy

1016
00:38:20,124 --> 00:38:22,776
the requirement of Ruin to show an historical

1017
00:38:23,072 --> 00:38:26,898
tradition that's consistent with the prohibition being defended

1018
00:38:26,898 --> 00:38:29,224
by the state. So So arms bands are

1019
00:38:29,224 --> 00:38:31,320
a whole, you know, category

1020
00:38:32,016 --> 00:38:33,632
of of law

1021
00:38:34,089 --> 00:38:35,445
that has to be dealt within in a

1022
00:38:35,445 --> 00:38:36,901
certain way. So so

1023
00:38:37,454 --> 00:38:40,331
this is... This Thomas statement is is to

1024
00:38:40,331 --> 00:38:43,687
get the attention of courts to to take

1025
00:38:43,687 --> 00:38:44,187
seriously

1026
00:38:44,726 --> 00:38:47,297
how arms are protected under the second amendment.

1027
00:38:47,537 --> 00:38:49,713
So so these these denials

1028
00:38:50,092 --> 00:38:51,869
are very important. And

1029
00:38:52,327 --> 00:38:54,322
it's very important that there are a whole

1030
00:38:54,322 --> 00:38:55,461
series of

1031
00:38:55,774 --> 00:38:58,006
arms band cases that are coming, making their

1032
00:38:58,006 --> 00:39:00,159
way through the courts that will almost certainly

1033
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:02,471
eventually get to the Supreme Court. Certainly, Thomas

1034
00:39:02,471 --> 00:39:03,906
hopes they'll they'll get back to the Supreme

1035
00:39:03,985 --> 00:39:05,598
Court in 1 way or another, and he

1036
00:39:05,598 --> 00:39:07,196
certainly hopes that they'll be dealt with in

1037
00:39:07,196 --> 00:39:09,593
a way that is coherent and to consistent

1038
00:39:09,593 --> 00:39:10,472
with the fundamental. Right?

1039
00:39:11,192 --> 00:39:13,121
While he's still on the cord. Dan, we're

1040
00:39:13,121 --> 00:39:15,027
gotta stop and take a break. I gotta

1041
00:39:15,027 --> 00:39:16,695
pay the bills, and I want you to

1042
00:39:16,695 --> 00:39:19,634
hold that thought, please. Okay? Sure. Alright. You

1043
00:39:19,634 --> 00:39:20,428
got you got it.

1044
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,239
Sandy, How are you today? I'm very good.

1045
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,319
How about you? Not bad. So, you know,

1046
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,799
we're having range days at gone for hire

1047
00:39:27,799 --> 00:39:30,522
now. We've gotten all the vendors in line

1048
00:39:30,522 --> 00:39:32,989
starting this Friday, July 12 vortex will be

1049
00:39:32,989 --> 00:39:35,456
here from 02:00 till 08:00PM.

1050
00:39:35,949 --> 00:39:37,627
You can just drop in. We're gonna close

1051
00:39:37,627 --> 00:39:39,624
off Range 3. Their salespeople people are gonna

1052
00:39:39,624 --> 00:39:41,462
have all kinds of stuff here. We have

1053
00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:43,871
a whole list of manufacturing that are lined

1054
00:39:43,871 --> 00:39:45,305
up. See, we can do this. We have

1055
00:39:45,305 --> 00:39:46,659
4 ranges. We have the store.

1056
00:39:47,296 --> 00:39:48,650
We got vortex come.

1057
00:39:49,367 --> 00:39:52,409
We have Kim. We have g 96 cleaning

1058
00:39:52,409 --> 00:39:53,768
products, tetra cleaning products.

1059
00:39:54,327 --> 00:39:56,485
Every manufacturer you could imagine we have rock

1060
00:39:56,485 --> 00:39:57,683
and rolling through here.

1061
00:39:58,483 --> 00:40:00,960
Also, August first, we're running an eddy eagle

1062
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,160
course. For children, pete pre k till fourth

1063
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,865
grade. If you're interested, go to gun hire

1064
00:40:06,865 --> 00:40:08,536
dot com forward slash eddy eagle.

1065
00:40:09,188 --> 00:40:11,415
Also, if you own a pet, gun for

1066
00:40:11,415 --> 00:40:13,802
hire dot com forward slash pets. Dan, did

1067
00:40:13,802 --> 00:40:14,915
you said us a picture of qui?

1068
00:40:16,282 --> 00:40:18,110
Not yet, but I'm, they will do so.

1069
00:40:18,270 --> 00:40:20,337
And send a picture, all the pets get

1070
00:40:20,337 --> 00:40:22,801
a numbered tag, and they go on our

1071
00:40:22,801 --> 00:40:24,868
website gun hire dot com forward slash pets.

1072
00:40:25,027 --> 00:40:27,899
We have over a hundred pets already on

1073
00:40:27,899 --> 00:40:30,597
the website and more, many, many more to

1074
00:40:30,597 --> 00:40:30,835
come.

1075
00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:33,319
Also, our plate rack matches

1076
00:40:34,344 --> 00:40:35,381
have been phenomenal.

1077
00:40:36,019 --> 00:40:38,413
Monday, June fifteenth. We... That is sold out

1078
00:40:38,413 --> 00:40:41,047
already. Our next 1 is a dueling rack

1079
00:40:41,047 --> 00:40:43,937
pistol match It's gonna be like march madness.

1080
00:40:44,176 --> 00:40:46,893
Go to gun hire dot com forward slash

1081
00:40:46,893 --> 00:40:48,911
leagues. You know, we're always taking it

1082
00:40:49,302 --> 00:40:51,445
1 step ahead. Somebody's getting yelled at over

1083
00:40:51,445 --> 00:40:51,604
there.

1084
00:40:53,032 --> 00:40:55,096
John A will be on in a week

1085
00:40:55,096 --> 00:40:56,937
or 2. We're gonna be discussed seeing the

1086
00:40:57,096 --> 00:40:59,636
North Jersey friends of the Nra dinner. When

1087
00:40:59,636 --> 00:41:01,462
you come to gun for hire, ask to

1088
00:41:01,462 --> 00:41:03,074
see the raffle gun

1089
00:41:03,447 --> 00:41:06,560
that Juan and Matt built for all of

1090
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,390
you people to bid on, and that that

1091
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:10,618
dinner is gonna be October second at the

1092
00:41:10,618 --> 00:41:12,607
tides, so I really want everybody to show

1093
00:41:12,607 --> 00:41:15,095
up. Don't forget, Sandy Hi,

1094
00:41:15,494 --> 00:41:18,128
Atlantic County, friends of the Nra dinner is

1095
00:41:18,128 --> 00:41:20,464
this September fourteenth at 5PM

1096
00:41:20,523 --> 00:41:21,800
at the mansion on Main Street.

1097
00:41:22,452 --> 00:41:24,675
And next year, the Cn J, women's for

1098
00:41:24,675 --> 00:41:27,216
gun rights mansion on Main Street Fundraiser is

1099
00:41:27,454 --> 00:41:28,804
04/05/2025.

1100
00:41:29,043 --> 00:41:29,757
Mark your calendars.

1101
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While speaking, cn NJ0,

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the peanut butter and jelly 2 fundraiser is

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going

1104
00:41:35,334 --> 00:41:36,764
well, I've been getting a lot of photos.

1105
00:41:37,002 --> 00:41:38,750
I'll be discussing that. The next time I

1106
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have C j on.

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If you wanna see me and show up

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with a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. This

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Saturday, I will be at the Aberdeen guns

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open house.

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The open house is from 11:00 till, I

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guess, 3 4 05:00. I'm sure Rosie you'll

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be there too. Come on down, say, hello.

1114
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To everybody, and let's have some fun.

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Also,

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if you need, little cards,

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your... Your F card, your so card, your,

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reddit or and the New Jersey firearm Syndicate

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2 on Facebook. Dan is very active. On

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the firearms Syndicate 2 page by the way.

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Hartman Win key is on that. You don't

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even have to go. All you have to

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do is go to stand strong dot biz

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and type lawyers and dan's firm, and a

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video him and I shot during the peak

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of Covid will come up for your entertainment.

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it at Aberdeen guns. With decoding firearms.

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Don't forget Us loss shield, use gun for

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higher 1 word as the code if you

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live in 49 states. If you live in

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the 50 state Y tax defense for New

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York, mentioned gun for hire,

1158
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excuse me and get 15 percent.

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Off of your monthly

1160
00:43:50,353 --> 00:43:51,949
membership. I don't think I have it. Do

1161
00:43:51,949 --> 00:43:53,385
have anything else to add for that now.

1162
00:43:53,625 --> 00:43:55,514
I got letters and learning and stuff, but

1163
00:43:55,793 --> 00:43:57,862
right now, I'm just gonna cover that because

1164
00:43:57,862 --> 00:43:59,533
we have dan here. Oh, remember,

1165
00:44:00,647 --> 00:44:01,363
for you listeners,

1166
00:44:02,238 --> 00:44:04,171
few months back, we had doctor Per.

1167
00:44:05,038 --> 00:44:07,527
And he told us about the Rutgers law

1168
00:44:07,981 --> 00:44:10,072
prevention policy center where Michael Anti

1169
00:44:10,845 --> 00:44:13,231
makes 3 or 400000 dollars a years. White

1170
00:44:13,231 --> 00:44:15,230
makes 200000 dollars a year. All of our

1171
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:17,768
taxpayer dollars, and this guy only does is

1172
00:44:17,768 --> 00:44:19,990
come out with reports saying how dangerous we

1173
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:21,418
law abiding gun owners are.

1174
00:44:22,387 --> 00:44:25,966
Well, 1 Pi was here, P mentioned that

1175
00:44:25,966 --> 00:44:28,114
they put a map on the website of

1176
00:44:28,114 --> 00:44:30,421
places you can safely store your guns. Right?

1177
00:44:30,994 --> 00:44:32,835
So while Per was on the show, I

1178
00:44:32,835 --> 00:44:34,675
looked at it. You remember this, Sandy.

1179
00:44:35,315 --> 00:44:37,155
And, like, 80 percent of the places that

1180
00:44:37,155 --> 00:44:38,275
he had listed it where you can store

1181
00:44:38,275 --> 00:44:40,608
your account even They don't exist. There were

1182
00:44:40,608 --> 00:44:41,487
people out,

1183
00:44:41,887 --> 00:44:44,145
and there were places where you can't safely

1184
00:44:44,284 --> 00:44:46,681
store your guns. He charged... He charged the

1185
00:44:46,681 --> 00:44:48,853
state of New Jersey, us the taxpayers a

1186
00:44:48,853 --> 00:44:50,206
hundred and 25000

1187
00:44:50,206 --> 00:44:51,479
dollars to build that site.

1188
00:44:52,513 --> 00:44:54,821
Okay? I think the total cost was somewhere

1189
00:44:54,821 --> 00:44:55,776
around 3000000.

1190
00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:58,426
Too, but Well, he's he's taken 3000000 since

1191
00:44:58,426 --> 00:45:00,822
he started. Just that page he built a

1192
00:45:00,822 --> 00:45:01,462
bucket in a quarter.

1193
00:45:03,554 --> 00:45:06,755
So our friends at the New Jersey Knicks

1194
00:45:07,155 --> 00:45:08,054
Research Center

1195
00:45:08,674 --> 00:45:09,554
redid the whole thing.

1196
00:45:10,289 --> 00:45:12,682
Well Okay. Yeah. They they redid the whole

1197
00:45:12,682 --> 00:45:14,197
thing. So if you go to New Jersey

1198
00:45:14,357 --> 00:45:16,271
Next research center, and this is the website.

1199
00:45:16,590 --> 00:45:18,505
Our guys at New Jersey Next Research Center.

1200
00:45:18,744 --> 00:45:21,463
It's NJNICS

1201
00:45:21,463 --> 00:45:23,923
dot com. NJNICS

1202
00:45:23,923 --> 00:45:25,613
dot com. These guys

1203
00:45:25,986 --> 00:45:26,779
are tracking,

1204
00:45:27,255 --> 00:45:28,469
how long it's taking

1205
00:45:28,778 --> 00:45:29,096
for,

1206
00:45:29,812 --> 00:45:32,515
approvals for next checks. They're also tracking how

1207
00:45:32,515 --> 00:45:34,502
many carry permits are issued? How many you've

1208
00:45:34,502 --> 00:45:36,648
been discriminated on with the law and public

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00:45:36,648 --> 00:45:39,375
safety disclaimer and everything. And they did it

1210
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for free.

1211
00:45:40,974 --> 00:45:42,014
Ladies and gentlemen,

1212
00:45:42,335 --> 00:45:44,175
they did it for free, and it's a

1213
00:45:44,175 --> 00:45:47,349
correct storage map. I know because I helped

1214
00:45:47,550 --> 00:45:49,410
build it with them, you know, for

1215
00:45:49,869 --> 00:45:53,309
information. And where where places you can safely

1216
00:45:53,309 --> 00:45:55,684
store where places you cannot safely store. So

1217
00:45:55,965 --> 00:45:58,925
Please check these guys out NJNICS

1218
00:45:58,925 --> 00:45:59,405
dot com.

1219
00:46:00,045 --> 00:46:00,285
Dan,

1220
00:46:01,164 --> 00:46:02,765
we're back now, so I want you to

1221
00:46:02,765 --> 00:46:04,125
continue with that, and then I want you

1222
00:46:04,125 --> 00:46:05,599
to talk about Chevron

1223
00:46:07,577 --> 00:46:07,896
have it?

1224
00:46:09,175 --> 00:46:12,212
I'm shocked simply shocked to find out that

1225
00:46:12,212 --> 00:46:14,664
the state is using our own money against

1226
00:46:15,339 --> 00:46:15,839
Really.

1227
00:46:19,785 --> 00:46:21,849
Well, they follow suit with the federal government

1228
00:46:21,849 --> 00:46:22,460
so they're

1229
00:46:24,246 --> 00:46:26,786
Okay, I I will say that, Clint is

1230
00:46:26,786 --> 00:46:27,286
wearing

1231
00:46:27,739 --> 00:46:29,033
his gun for hire

1232
00:46:29,882 --> 00:46:31,594
membership tag nice

1233
00:46:31,973 --> 00:46:32,632
send that.

1234
00:46:33,571 --> 00:46:35,569
I will send the picture. I I here's

1235
00:46:35,569 --> 00:46:36,048
here's the problem.

1236
00:46:36,927 --> 00:46:39,485
He's so photo that I can't choose.

1237
00:46:40,059 --> 00:46:42,133
It's so difficult because he's... Oh my god.

1238
00:46:42,452 --> 00:46:43,489
Certainly sounds like god.

1239
00:46:48,215 --> 00:46:50,855
Yeah. Not a dog lover here. Yeah. I

1240
00:46:50,934 --> 00:46:52,375
I will send... I will send that picture

1241
00:46:52,375 --> 00:46:52,855
imminent.

1242
00:46:53,494 --> 00:46:55,175
Please. So let me let me let me

1243
00:46:55,175 --> 00:46:55,949
shift gears

1244
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:57,208
for your business

1245
00:46:58,387 --> 00:46:58,706
to,

1246
00:47:00,064 --> 00:47:01,263
I think a topic which is a think,

1247
00:47:01,583 --> 00:47:03,580
of, the just should be of interest to

1248
00:47:03,580 --> 00:47:05,423
everybody. Not just gun owners, but anybody who

1249
00:47:05,423 --> 00:47:07,169
loves Liberty and Freedom.

1250
00:47:08,439 --> 00:47:10,289
This was a really bad term

1251
00:47:10,662 --> 00:47:12,749
at the Supreme court for the

1252
00:47:13,058 --> 00:47:14,034
expansive regulatory

1253
00:47:14,567 --> 00:47:15,440
state. Yeah.

1254
00:47:17,266 --> 00:47:19,251
There obviously, Chevron was it was the was

1255
00:47:19,251 --> 00:47:20,918
the big 1. But there were a number

1256
00:47:20,918 --> 00:47:21,894
of decisions

1257
00:47:22,364 --> 00:47:22,864
that's

1258
00:47:23,561 --> 00:47:24,061
favored

1259
00:47:25,876 --> 00:47:26,376
people

1260
00:47:26,754 --> 00:47:27,254
and

1261
00:47:28,271 --> 00:47:29,409
impaired the ability

1262
00:47:29,787 --> 00:47:30,926
of the state,

1263
00:47:31,557 --> 00:47:33,329
I mean, the state that, you know, generic

1264
00:47:33,545 --> 00:47:34,045
government

1265
00:47:34,578 --> 00:47:34,896
to

1266
00:47:35,453 --> 00:47:35,930
to

1267
00:47:36,407 --> 00:47:38,952
impose its will on people. So, let me

1268
00:47:38,952 --> 00:47:41,435
just rattle off a few of the the

1269
00:47:41,435 --> 00:47:43,985
cases before Chevron, and then we'll talk about

1270
00:47:44,064 --> 00:47:44,383
Chevron.

1271
00:47:45,179 --> 00:47:46,056
So, obviously,

1272
00:47:46,869 --> 00:47:48,950
we all we all remember Car deal. I

1273
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:50,789
think I believe talked about Car on the

1274
00:47:50,789 --> 00:47:51,670
law on the previous show.

1275
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:53,989
The bump stock case, that was a a

1276
00:47:53,989 --> 00:47:54,445
loss

1277
00:47:54,803 --> 00:47:55,303
for

1278
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:55,920
Atf.

1279
00:47:57,434 --> 00:47:59,108
A number of other cases that are are

1280
00:47:59,108 --> 00:47:59,507
worth

1281
00:48:00,384 --> 00:48:03,429
talking about briefly. Case called corner post versus

1282
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:04,789
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve.

1283
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:06,889
That was a case involving

1284
00:48:07,590 --> 00:48:09,190
a statute of limitations,

1285
00:48:10,389 --> 00:48:11,110
that a,

1286
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:12,170
plaintiff

1287
00:48:12,484 --> 00:48:15,620
would be subject to in order to sue

1288
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,329
the the Federal Reserve. The statute of limitations

1289
00:48:19,609 --> 00:48:21,687
basically is the cutoff off. The time frame

1290
00:48:21,687 --> 00:48:23,066
within which you can bring a lawsuit

1291
00:48:23,445 --> 00:48:26,002
before you are barred from doing so. And

1292
00:48:26,002 --> 00:48:28,054
the ruling, the court ruled that the status

1293
00:48:28,173 --> 00:48:29,785
of limitations was later

1294
00:48:30,793 --> 00:48:32,699
than what the government claimed it was. And

1295
00:48:32,699 --> 00:48:36,589
therefore, it revived what was previously a dead

1296
00:48:36,589 --> 00:48:37,089
lawsuit

1297
00:48:37,955 --> 00:48:41,239
and a little allowed the individual to sue

1298
00:48:42,012 --> 00:48:44,001
with a plaintiff to sue the Federal reserve.

1299
00:48:44,733 --> 00:48:48,423
A case called Ohio versus Epa in the

1300
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,810
stay of certain restrictions that had been imposed

1301
00:48:53,028 --> 00:48:56,466
by Epa of the stay was granted by

1302
00:48:56,466 --> 00:48:59,965
the supreme court, in favor of the the

1303
00:49:00,203 --> 00:49:00,681
applicants.

1304
00:49:01,555 --> 00:49:03,804
A case called Sec versus,

1305
00:49:05,546 --> 00:49:09,521
which was very important case, which held that

1306
00:49:09,521 --> 00:49:10,315
a defendant,

1307
00:49:11,110 --> 00:49:13,595
in a case brought by the Sec for

1308
00:49:13,595 --> 00:49:14,414
civil penalties

1309
00:49:14,952 --> 00:49:17,505
had a constitutional right to a jury trial

1310
00:49:17,505 --> 00:49:18,541
under the theft of amendment.

1311
00:49:19,434 --> 00:49:22,246
Is very important because Yep. In the in

1312
00:49:22,305 --> 00:49:23,262
administrative proceedings,

1313
00:49:25,176 --> 00:49:28,739
you can sometimes be required to defend yourself

1314
00:49:29,178 --> 00:49:30,873
in an administrative tri

1315
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:33,641
before the agency rather than in a court

1316
00:49:33,641 --> 00:49:34,699
in front of a jury.

1317
00:49:35,155 --> 00:49:36,612
Well, the the

1318
00:49:36,924 --> 00:49:38,998
case held that in the case of civil

1319
00:49:38,998 --> 00:49:41,392
penalties brought by the Sec, you have a

1320
00:49:41,392 --> 00:49:43,169
right to try my jury, which is a

1321
00:49:43,227 --> 00:49:46,114
enormous advantage in defending yourself in front of

1322
00:49:46,114 --> 00:49:48,108
a jury of your peers, in a court

1323
00:49:48,108 --> 00:49:50,123
versus in front of the agency itself.

1324
00:49:50,979 --> 00:49:52,893
So so these are... You know, these are

1325
00:49:52,893 --> 00:49:54,032
all examples

1326
00:49:54,582 --> 00:49:57,146
of the Supreme Court recognizing

1327
00:49:57,677 --> 00:50:01,408
over reaches by administrative agencies. And you know

1328
00:50:01,408 --> 00:50:02,702
it's a major problem

1329
00:50:03,409 --> 00:50:05,407
because for many, many, many years, we have

1330
00:50:05,407 --> 00:50:08,543
seen a massive expansion of state power

1331
00:50:08,922 --> 00:50:11,573
through the expansion of the administrative state, And

1332
00:50:11,573 --> 00:50:14,544
so these are very important

1333
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,138
instances of

1334
00:50:16,595 --> 00:50:18,827
pushback on that that growth. But but, of

1335
00:50:18,827 --> 00:50:20,854
course, the The big daddy of cases

1336
00:50:21,389 --> 00:50:24,411
dealing with administrative law was the case... Well,

1337
00:50:24,490 --> 00:50:27,051
a pair of cases called Lo bright, and

1338
00:50:27,051 --> 00:50:27,449
relentless.

1339
00:50:28,085 --> 00:50:29,938
And those are the cases that finally

1340
00:50:30,869 --> 00:50:33,986
overrule the Chevron doctor. And, of course, Obviously,

1341
00:50:34,145 --> 00:50:36,292
the the the Chevron doctrine was named after

1342
00:50:36,292 --> 00:50:38,757
a case called Chevron from 19 84.

1343
00:50:39,234 --> 00:50:41,483
And what the what the Chevron chase did

1344
00:50:41,873 --> 00:50:45,369
is created AAA

1345
00:50:45,369 --> 00:50:46,584
rule of difference

1346
00:50:47,355 --> 00:50:50,869
that courts were required to exercise. When it

1347
00:50:50,869 --> 00:50:53,829
came to the scope of administrative authority. In

1348
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:56,250
the Chevron case, the Supreme Court held

1349
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:57,724
that when

1350
00:50:58,402 --> 00:50:59,679
Let me let me before I get into

1351
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:01,693
the details of what Chevron. Let me just

1352
00:51:02,071 --> 00:51:05,021
explain for your listeners who are unfamiliar with

1353
00:51:05,021 --> 00:51:05,819
kinda how this works.

1354
00:51:06,457 --> 00:51:06,957
So

1355
00:51:07,983 --> 00:51:11,157
administrative agencies don't exist naturally under the constitution.

1356
00:51:12,030 --> 00:51:14,727
Administrative agencies like the Sec, the Epa, the

1357
00:51:14,965 --> 00:51:15,282
Atf,

1358
00:51:15,855 --> 00:51:19,135
you know, these are created by congress. And,

1359
00:51:19,215 --> 00:51:21,054
of course, in our state law analog of

1360
00:51:21,054 --> 00:51:22,735
course as well, But we're talking about federal

1361
00:51:22,815 --> 00:51:24,905
Law now. So these are all created by

1362
00:51:24,905 --> 00:51:26,102
congress. Are not

1363
00:51:27,299 --> 00:51:27,799
constitutional

1364
00:51:28,337 --> 00:51:30,811
agencies. They they... They're they're creatures of statute.

1365
00:51:32,023 --> 00:51:34,580
And so when Congress passes a statute, that

1366
00:51:34,580 --> 00:51:37,137
creates something like the Ftc or the Sec,

1367
00:51:37,936 --> 00:51:38,655
or the Epa,

1368
00:51:39,228 --> 00:51:41,395
the the statute is supposed to

1369
00:51:41,848 --> 00:51:44,231
not only create the agency, but also define

1370
00:51:44,231 --> 00:51:46,773
the scope of its authority, the statute that

1371
00:51:46,773 --> 00:51:49,171
creates these agency says what it can do.

1372
00:51:50,365 --> 00:51:51,183
And so

1373
00:51:52,354 --> 00:51:55,480
agency power is limited by what that statute

1374
00:51:55,537 --> 00:51:55,856
says.

1375
00:51:56,572 --> 00:51:57,900
They just... They don't have

1376
00:51:58,257 --> 00:52:00,004
unlimited authority, They can do the things that

1377
00:52:00,083 --> 00:52:03,419
Congress says they can do. Now, so here's

1378
00:52:03,419 --> 00:52:05,802
what Chevron did, which as you... As your

1379
00:52:05,802 --> 00:52:07,414
listeners will see

1380
00:52:08,042 --> 00:52:08,542
invited

1381
00:52:09,157 --> 00:52:09,657
expansive

1382
00:52:10,032 --> 00:52:12,818
authority for these agencies. It said when the

1383
00:52:12,818 --> 00:52:15,150
scope of a statute is ambiguous

1384
00:52:16,335 --> 00:52:18,979
the court is required to defer

1385
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:21,520
to the agency's own

1386
00:52:22,211 --> 00:52:23,505
interpretation of the statute

1387
00:52:24,135 --> 00:52:26,295
if that interpretation is reasonable or that I

1388
00:52:26,295 --> 00:52:28,054
think that use language the already possible.

1389
00:52:28,775 --> 00:52:29,974
Think about what that's did.

1390
00:52:30,775 --> 00:52:32,954
What what because courts courts

1391
00:52:33,746 --> 00:52:37,246
traditionally are there to interpret law and to

1392
00:52:37,246 --> 00:52:39,713
interpret what a statute means. And in a

1393
00:52:39,713 --> 00:52:41,861
controversy before the court, the court determines,

1394
00:52:42,353 --> 00:52:43,172
which party's

1395
00:52:44,583 --> 00:52:45,402
which party's

1396
00:52:46,096 --> 00:52:48,325
assertion of what the statute mean is is

1397
00:52:48,325 --> 00:52:50,077
correct. Or maybe the Court saying neither of

1398
00:52:50,077 --> 00:52:51,843
you are correct, this is what the statute

1399
00:52:51,843 --> 00:52:52,661
means. But it

1400
00:52:53,196 --> 00:52:53,673
regardless,

1401
00:52:54,072 --> 00:52:56,141
that's the court's job. The court's job is

1402
00:52:56,141 --> 00:52:57,891
to decide what the law is and then

1403
00:52:57,891 --> 00:52:59,085
apply it to the facts of the case

1404
00:52:59,085 --> 00:53:01,011
and come up with a decision. Well, in

1405
00:53:01,170 --> 00:53:03,003
Chevron, the court said no.

1406
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,530
The court... It's not the court's job to

1407
00:53:06,587 --> 00:53:09,216
determine what this statute means. The agency gets

1408
00:53:09,216 --> 00:53:09,590
to

1409
00:53:10,108 --> 00:53:11,942
determine the scope of its own power,

1410
00:53:12,580 --> 00:53:14,813
if 2 things are true. Number 1, the

1411
00:53:14,813 --> 00:53:16,806
statute statute is ambiguous. So if the statute

1412
00:53:16,806 --> 00:53:17,524
is clear,

1413
00:53:18,242 --> 00:53:18,742
then

1414
00:53:19,053 --> 00:53:20,005
That's it. That's the end of the case.

1415
00:53:20,164 --> 00:53:22,148
Right? K. The the... It's statute clear, the

1416
00:53:22,148 --> 00:53:24,133
court says, yep. It's clearly this, this is

1417
00:53:24,133 --> 00:53:26,356
what the statute means k o. But if

1418
00:53:26,356 --> 00:53:29,228
it's ambiguous and look. Lots of statues are

1419
00:53:29,228 --> 00:53:31,292
are ambiguous. And here's where this problem is.

1420
00:53:32,245 --> 00:53:35,103
Language is inherently ambiguous in many instances.

1421
00:53:35,753 --> 00:53:39,667
And congress or no no legislature can perfectly

1422
00:53:40,199 --> 00:53:41,413
draft a statute

1423
00:53:41,866 --> 00:53:44,699
so that it covers all circumstances and so

1424
00:53:44,898 --> 00:53:47,945
Statues are often ambiguous. And so this problem

1425
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,310
will arise all the time. You know, it's

1426
00:53:50,310 --> 00:53:52,061
not... It's this is not something that happens

1427
00:53:52,061 --> 00:53:53,971
very rarely. It happens frequent.

1428
00:53:54,703 --> 00:53:55,442
And so

1429
00:53:56,139 --> 00:53:59,648
where the where the statute is unclear about

1430
00:53:59,648 --> 00:54:02,621
the what the power the agency has, the

1431
00:54:02,759 --> 00:54:04,056
agency gets to say

1432
00:54:04,529 --> 00:54:05,728
we think it means this,

1433
00:54:06,527 --> 00:54:09,823
and the court is required to accept the

1434
00:54:09,882 --> 00:54:12,534
agency's on statement of its authority, as long

1435
00:54:12,534 --> 00:54:13,335
as it's reasonable.

1436
00:54:13,974 --> 00:54:14,635
So dan.

1437
00:54:15,574 --> 00:54:18,214
And I'm I'm gonna give everybody a a

1438
00:54:18,214 --> 00:54:18,614
perspective.

1439
00:54:19,014 --> 00:54:20,375
Since 19 84,

1440
00:54:20,789 --> 00:54:23,811
in 40 years. So the Chevron doctrine is

1441
00:54:23,811 --> 00:54:26,141
saying that the court gives it to the

1442
00:54:26,436 --> 00:54:27,493
agency to decide

1443
00:54:27,963 --> 00:54:31,889
screwing the the little guy. Right? 80000

1444
00:54:32,265 --> 00:54:32,765
cases

1445
00:54:33,460 --> 00:54:34,655
in 40 years.

1446
00:54:35,308 --> 00:54:37,620
Have referenced the Chevron doctrine,

1447
00:54:38,019 --> 00:54:40,570
which the majority of them have ruled for

1448
00:54:40,570 --> 00:54:42,665
the agencies 80000

1449
00:54:42,882 --> 00:54:45,135
times. Yeah. Just to put that in perspective.

1450
00:54:45,375 --> 00:54:46,735
I did that research. It was in a,

1451
00:54:48,335 --> 00:54:51,295
national review magazine. So 80000 times. So continue

1452
00:54:51,375 --> 00:54:53,949
Dan. And you have to read perspective. And

1453
00:54:53,949 --> 00:54:55,388
and you have to realize the history of

1454
00:54:55,388 --> 00:54:57,146
this. Yeah know. I mean, this dates back

1455
00:54:57,146 --> 00:55:00,342
to Woodrow Wilson time. This was a big

1456
00:55:00,342 --> 00:55:02,740
wet dream of Woodrow Wilson. There were there

1457
00:55:02,740 --> 00:55:05,003
was a a book, Wilson

1458
00:55:05,614 --> 00:55:06,114
absolutely

1459
00:55:06,486 --> 00:55:06,986
loved

1460
00:55:08,311 --> 00:55:10,318
by the title of Philip Drew

1461
00:55:10,770 --> 00:55:12,924
administrator. Yep. And and it was written by

1462
00:55:12,924 --> 00:55:13,796
1 of his buddies,

1463
00:55:14,905 --> 00:55:16,886
a guy by the name of Edward Man

1464
00:55:17,045 --> 00:55:18,233
House, and house,

1465
00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:21,285
was a socialist. He loved marxism

1466
00:55:21,816 --> 00:55:24,536
practices. He loved the Marks theories,

1467
00:55:25,306 --> 00:55:27,942
and it was an and then run around

1468
00:55:27,942 --> 00:55:28,817
congress really,

1469
00:55:29,373 --> 00:55:32,157
put the power into the president's hands and

1470
00:55:32,157 --> 00:55:33,271
into the Bureau hands.

1471
00:55:33,844 --> 00:55:36,315
Yep. So, Dan, how tell our listeners, how

1472
00:55:36,315 --> 00:55:39,128
does this affect us to a gun people

1473
00:55:39,346 --> 00:55:42,216
now that Chevron defer has been chopped down?

1474
00:55:43,107 --> 00:55:46,356
Well, certainly, it's going to affect a Atf.

1475
00:55:47,070 --> 00:55:48,893
In fact, in Car yield and the other

1476
00:55:48,893 --> 00:55:50,002
bump stock cases,

1477
00:55:50,652 --> 00:55:52,164
in Car, in the other thought cases, the

1478
00:55:52,243 --> 00:55:53,357
Chevron issue actually came up.

1479
00:55:54,231 --> 00:55:55,902
They didn't need... Car they didn't need to

1480
00:55:55,902 --> 00:55:58,129
reach Chevron because they held that the statute

1481
00:55:58,129 --> 00:55:58,606
was clear.

1482
00:55:59,579 --> 00:56:01,816
But, this, you know, in in future cases,

1483
00:56:02,455 --> 00:56:04,293
involving Atf and whatever and other agencies,

1484
00:56:05,572 --> 00:56:07,330
the this will this will matter in terms

1485
00:56:07,330 --> 00:56:08,701
of what the he can do and how

1486
00:56:08,701 --> 00:56:10,215
they can interpret the scope of their own

1487
00:56:10,215 --> 00:56:11,649
authority. Let me you quick, how much time

1488
00:56:11,649 --> 00:56:12,605
do we have because there's a couple of

1489
00:56:12,605 --> 00:56:15,974
interesting things Talking. Liam about 10 minute. But

1490
00:56:16,191 --> 00:56:18,993
sense... Yeah. About that. Yep. Okay. Good. So

1491
00:56:18,993 --> 00:56:21,460
so the the the decision is interesting.

1492
00:56:22,018 --> 00:56:24,246
The decision in Lower bright is very interesting

1493
00:56:24,246 --> 00:56:25,201
for a few reasons.

1494
00:56:26,249 --> 00:56:27,519
Now, look, obviously,

1495
00:56:28,234 --> 00:56:29,131
you can imagine

1496
00:56:29,743 --> 00:56:31,355
that the state is always

1497
00:56:31,966 --> 00:56:32,943
trying to

1498
00:56:33,396 --> 00:56:34,848
expand the scope of its power

1499
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:37,733
over us. And so you can imagine what

1500
00:56:37,871 --> 00:56:40,025
happens when you say to the state, you

1501
00:56:40,025 --> 00:56:42,074
can decide the scope of your own authority

1502
00:56:42,514 --> 00:56:44,190
go to it. Right? The state is almost

1503
00:56:44,190 --> 00:56:45,648
always going to

1504
00:56:46,505 --> 00:56:48,819
determine that that the authority the bank have

1505
00:56:48,819 --> 00:56:52,820
is is more expansive. Than perhaps is appropriate.

1506
00:56:52,979 --> 00:56:55,389
So it's it was it was a nightmare

1507
00:56:56,003 --> 00:56:58,311
for people who care about individual freedom and

1508
00:56:58,311 --> 00:56:58,550
liberty.

1509
00:56:59,364 --> 00:57:00,344
Now, interestingly

1510
00:57:00,644 --> 00:57:00,805
though,

1511
00:57:01,525 --> 00:57:02,724
over the years,

1512
00:57:03,285 --> 00:57:05,864
the court, the Supreme Court has been gradually

1513
00:57:06,815 --> 00:57:09,060
putting in exceptions and rolling back

1514
00:57:09,671 --> 00:57:12,209
aspects of Chevron. So over time,

1515
00:57:12,685 --> 00:57:13,185
Chevron

1516
00:57:13,574 --> 00:57:14,074
was

1517
00:57:14,452 --> 00:57:17,326
impaired little by little to the point where

1518
00:57:17,326 --> 00:57:19,640
it was pretty clear that it needed to

1519
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,035
be overrule. It just never just hadn't happened

1520
00:57:22,035 --> 00:57:24,282
yet. So finally, Chevron is dead. I mean,

1521
00:57:24,361 --> 00:57:26,513
here here's how here's how crazy the concept

1522
00:57:26,513 --> 00:57:28,027
is. But if if you didn't think it

1523
00:57:28,027 --> 00:57:28,744
was already crazy.

1524
00:57:29,382 --> 00:57:29,780
Chevron,

1525
00:57:30,194 --> 00:57:33,231
The difference applied even when the agency would

1526
00:57:33,231 --> 00:57:35,628
change its own interpretation of the statute.

1527
00:57:36,188 --> 00:57:38,845
So the courts powerless, courts were powerless,

1528
00:57:39,238 --> 00:57:40,986
to interfere with agencies,

1529
00:57:41,860 --> 00:57:43,766
interpretation of their own statute, even when they

1530
00:57:43,766 --> 00:57:45,672
just changed their mind. You know, they could

1531
00:57:45,672 --> 00:57:47,554
change... They could say, well, for years with

1532
00:57:47,754 --> 00:57:48,792
thought it was 1 thing. But now we

1533
00:57:48,792 --> 00:57:50,728
think it's another thing. I mean, is particularly

1534
00:57:51,106 --> 00:57:54,081
relevant to the bump stock cases where Atf

1535
00:57:54,459 --> 00:57:56,429
would simply changed its mind as to what

1536
00:57:56,548 --> 00:57:58,532
statute what the N nfl meant, it's for

1537
00:57:58,532 --> 00:58:00,992
the definition the machine, gun, after years and

1538
00:58:00,992 --> 00:58:02,816
years of of holding that it meant 1

1539
00:58:02,816 --> 00:58:04,403
thing, suddenly, it means another thing,

1540
00:58:05,053 --> 00:58:07,989
Chevron Chevron required courts to accept those as

1541
00:58:07,989 --> 00:58:10,369
long as they were reasonable. So it's it

1542
00:58:10,369 --> 00:58:11,956
was it was sheer luna.

1543
00:58:13,879 --> 00:58:16,264
To to expect agencies to behave in a,

1544
00:58:16,344 --> 00:58:18,650
in an appropriate manner when they was invited.

1545
00:58:19,047 --> 00:58:21,534
They're were absolutely invited. To be abusive. Yeah.

1546
00:58:21,775 --> 00:58:24,335
Of of people's rights. So this is... So

1547
00:58:24,335 --> 00:58:24,835
so

1548
00:58:25,295 --> 00:58:26,655
as I said, as always we talked about

1549
00:58:26,655 --> 00:58:28,734
the the court overall Chevron, Chevron is dead

1550
00:58:28,734 --> 00:58:30,902
as a matter of law. But there's some

1551
00:58:30,902 --> 00:58:34,187
interesting things that happen in the concur. So

1552
00:58:34,801 --> 00:58:36,711
there's a concur opinion by justice as Thomas.

1553
00:58:38,081 --> 00:58:41,431
And, you know, the decision... The majority decision

1554
00:58:41,431 --> 00:58:43,346
was decided under the administrative procedure act.

1555
00:58:44,143 --> 00:58:45,898
And what the court basically said was under

1556
00:58:45,898 --> 00:58:49,121
the the administrative ct track does not allow

1557
00:58:49,735 --> 00:58:52,758
for this shifting of the traditional role of

1558
00:58:52,758 --> 00:58:53,497
a court

1559
00:58:53,872 --> 00:58:55,941
away from deciding what the law means.

1560
00:58:56,594 --> 00:58:58,991
In in favor of the agency. What Thomas

1561
00:58:58,991 --> 00:58:59,731
said is

1562
00:59:00,110 --> 00:59:01,489
separate apart from

1563
00:59:01,867 --> 00:59:04,159
the fact that the statute doesn't allow this

1564
00:59:04,358 --> 00:59:05,731
it's a violation of

1565
00:59:06,105 --> 00:59:06,898
separation of power.

1566
00:59:08,565 --> 00:59:11,106
Under the constitution. Article 3 of the constitution.

1567
00:59:11,423 --> 00:59:11,923
It

1568
00:59:12,312 --> 00:59:15,254
impose on courts the obligation to interpret statute.

1569
00:59:15,572 --> 00:59:16,390
And so

1570
00:59:16,764 --> 00:59:16,923
you,

1571
00:59:17,877 --> 00:59:20,103
and that's a that's a really important check

1572
00:59:20,103 --> 00:59:21,295
on the executive power.

1573
00:59:21,866 --> 00:59:24,088
Remember that our constitution, separation of powers is

1574
00:59:24,088 --> 00:59:28,397
an absolutely critical aspect of our constitutional scheme

1575
00:59:28,611 --> 00:59:29,881
that keeps the various,

1576
00:59:30,610 --> 00:59:33,230
branches of government in check. And so what

1577
00:59:33,389 --> 00:59:35,159
Chevron did was it

1578
00:59:36,009 --> 00:59:39,548
the critical role that courts play in checking

1579
00:59:40,007 --> 00:59:42,244
executive power because that's what the administrative state

1580
00:59:42,244 --> 00:59:44,503
is. The administrative state is a vast

1581
00:59:44,882 --> 00:59:46,480
expansion of the executive branch.

1582
00:59:47,054 --> 00:59:50,175
And so it allowed the executive branch to

1583
00:59:50,175 --> 00:59:51,855
decide the court the the scope of its

1584
00:59:51,855 --> 00:59:53,934
own power, which was which according to Thomas

1585
00:59:53,934 --> 00:59:54,835
was a huge

1586
00:59:55,135 --> 00:59:58,019
violation of the constitution in that regard. Now,

1587
00:59:58,737 --> 01:00:00,092
1 of my favorite parts of this is

1588
01:00:00,092 --> 01:00:00,751
the go

1589
01:00:01,925 --> 01:00:03,142
concur. So

1590
01:00:03,614 --> 01:00:06,490
just as score such concur, and he actually

1591
01:00:06,490 --> 01:00:08,669
has a really interesting discussion

1592
01:00:09,047 --> 01:00:09,547
of

1593
01:00:09,927 --> 01:00:11,525
the role of precedent,

1594
01:00:12,097 --> 01:00:14,003
in the common law because 1 of the

1595
01:00:14,003 --> 01:00:14,321
questions,

1596
01:00:14,957 --> 01:00:16,228
1 of the 1 of the issues in

1597
01:00:16,228 --> 01:00:18,214
our opposition to overlook Chevron was the concept

1598
01:00:18,214 --> 01:00:19,644
of s decisive.

1599
01:00:20,533 --> 01:00:21,033
Story

1600
01:00:21,409 --> 01:00:24,297
is a principal law that says that

1601
01:00:24,831 --> 01:00:25,889
even if

1602
01:00:26,264 --> 01:00:28,117
the Supreme Court thinks

1603
01:00:28,588 --> 01:00:32,760
that a prior decision is incorrect. You don't

1604
01:00:32,898 --> 01:00:33,398
automatically

1605
01:00:34,095 --> 01:00:36,271
overrule it simply because

1606
01:00:36,663 --> 01:00:37,698
its wrong.

1607
01:00:38,335 --> 01:00:40,109
There's an actual process

1608
01:00:40,485 --> 01:00:41,463
to determine

1609
01:00:41,918 --> 01:00:45,197
what impact a prior decision should have have

1610
01:00:45,197 --> 01:00:47,262
on future cases, even if it's... If it

1611
01:00:47,262 --> 01:00:50,121
was incorrectly, just decided it. And started decisive

1612
01:00:50,121 --> 01:00:52,504
is this idea that a decision of the

1613
01:00:52,504 --> 01:00:53,004
court

1614
01:00:53,554 --> 01:00:56,751
affects future decisions even on the same issue

1615
01:00:56,751 --> 01:00:57,789
before the Supreme Court.

1616
01:00:58,429 --> 01:00:59,787
And it it started to say...

1617
01:01:00,666 --> 01:01:03,476
It's it's a strange concept because this idea

1618
01:01:03,476 --> 01:01:05,808
that you're... It it's sort of this principle

1619
01:01:05,865 --> 01:01:07,220
is cemented in place,

1620
01:01:08,574 --> 01:01:09,393
even if

1621
01:01:10,103 --> 01:01:12,016
the court leader determines that it's incorrect is

1622
01:01:12,016 --> 01:01:13,848
a very... It's sort of an odds with

1623
01:01:13,848 --> 01:01:14,406
common bets.

1624
01:01:15,044 --> 01:01:17,297
And so Gorsuch goes through

1625
01:01:18,087 --> 01:01:19,599
discussion of the history of the common law.

1626
01:01:20,157 --> 01:01:22,466
We we we have a hour our system

1627
01:01:22,466 --> 01:01:24,695
of law, the Anglo American system moore's law

1628
01:01:24,695 --> 01:01:27,733
is called the Common law, system because it

1629
01:01:27,733 --> 01:01:30,992
developed over time as a result of many,

1630
01:01:31,151 --> 01:01:32,422
many judicial decisions.

1631
01:01:33,058 --> 01:01:35,619
A judge decided something years ago, so if

1632
01:01:35,699 --> 01:01:38,016
I'm a judge deciding somebody today, I look

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at different precedent

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to see how other judges decided things to

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see what... Any impact those decisions should have

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on how how I as a judge understand

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the law and apply those principles to the

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case that's before me.

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Okay.

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So,

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he explains that that

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what 1 of the things that's critical to

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acquire precedent

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to a case that as before Court is

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the quality of the of the previous decision?

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What is the significance of that decision is

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its reasoning sound,

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how might that apply to my case, and

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he talks about how not only

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contrary contrary to the idea that started decisive

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should prevent the courts from over overrun Chevron.

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He says that the that the concepts

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underlying precedent and star decisive in the common

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law decision

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a common tradition should actually favor

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overrun Chevron. It it's a very interesting discussion.

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I have to say Neil gorsuch search,

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is really brilliant if I of look, there's

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a lot of smart people in the supreme

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court.

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But court just as score such as is

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a very, very, very smart guy. And when

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you read his opinions,

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least, I I can't help come away with

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this really,

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this really intense,

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a sense that this is this guy is

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just very, very smart, But this... Here's what

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I get to my favorite part. So the

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decision was not unanimous, mister so there was

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a descent with Justice Ka, joined by justice

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So mai and Justice Jackson.

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Course. And of course hard

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But there's 1 of the this decision... I

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have to read this too. So this is

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great. So there's a footnote 3 that justice

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score such drops.

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In his concur. And he's talking about justice

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higgins

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descent.

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And he says the descent suggests that we

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need not take

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Apa directions quite so seriously,

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meaning directions that the court is supposed to

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decide

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the the,

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what the meaning of statute is.

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We need not take the Apa directions quite

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seriously because the, quote, finest

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administrative loss scholars close quote, from Harvard

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claimed to see in them some wiggle room.

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K. That's it's that's a quarterly

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exciting just c to descent

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He says, but nothing in the Apa commands

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defer to the views of professors any more

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than it does the government.

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Nor is is the best part. Nor is

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the dissent list of Harvard finest administrative of

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lost scholars entirely complete,

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and he cites

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Ka,

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a paper by Ka when she was off

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harvard.

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If you which she says that on different

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rests upon a quote,

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fictional

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statement of legislative

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desire.

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That she C19

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years before she was appointed to the Supreme

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court You apparently forgot about.

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She apparently forgot about day.

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I love it. Laughing push off when I

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read that.

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So so, Dan, because we're we're we're closing

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in tough... Can you update a little bit

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sensitive places, mag band assault weapons ban. Everybody's

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chop at the bit. You think now that

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after the Supreme Court vacated the cases and

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the court ended it, you think the lower

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courts now are gonna go, okay. We have

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enough what we need to proceed with these

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cases. Where where where do we stand? Tell

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01:05:01,163 --> 01:05:02,833
tell everybody. Give us the little ray of

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hope, please.

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Well, I I certainly think there was good

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01:05:05,631 --> 01:05:08,652
reason to believe that the third circuit who,

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heard our... The the, heard our, tare case.

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Is K and Siegel,

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we're probably waiting for Rec he to be

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decided by the Supreme court before ruling. So

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I suspect they're kind of in the process

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of incorporating

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whatever they think Rh he meant

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for error carrying cases,

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into the into whatever opinion you're writing. So

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III

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suspect we'll probably see something in K and

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Siegel from the third circuit pretty soon, hopefully.

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Mad band,

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as you know, we also,

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we submitted letters every all the sides. Submitted

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letters about Re

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to just Sheridan in Med and the so

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called assault cases.

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So, hopefully, you we'll see something,

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soon in those cases, Look it's impossible to

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say exactly when. But certainly,

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Ra no longer stands in the way. Of

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01:06:02,050 --> 01:06:03,730
of those cases. So those judges,

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hopefully,

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01:06:05,250 --> 01:06:06,929
we'll will be, you know, sort of getting

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01:06:06,929 --> 01:06:09,341
that stuff working into their thoughts. And, hopefully,

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01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:11,565
we'll see we'll see some decision in those

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01:06:11,565 --> 01:06:13,709
cases soon. So, Dan, I I love you,

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01:06:13,868 --> 01:06:16,489
but, until further notice your banned from gun

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for higher rate until we get positive outcome

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01:06:19,845 --> 01:06:22,812
on the k siegel or the, assault weapons

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case and and

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So what do you think, Sandy? He's he's

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banished? I think

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I think he.

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Sandy,

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sorry.

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Dan tell everybody about your law firm, what

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you do and how people can find you.

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Thank you again for defending our rights on

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the legal aspects across the board in New

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Jersey.

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It is.

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The law firm is hartman and win dot

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in addition to, the civil rights in sacramento

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do

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commercial transactions, real estate transactions, and we do

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a lot of state planning in the state

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you trust,

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please give us a call.

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We've been doing that for many, many years,

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and I think,

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we do a great job. So. The firm

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is a general purpose law firm, and you

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can you can, get a lot of a

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lot of stuff done with us. So give

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us a call.

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They're have the best. Thank you so much,

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Dan. Keep fighting. ANJRPCANPC

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dot org. That's what's fueling the engine for

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our second amendment rights, the state division of

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the Nra.

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Thank you all again for listening. Please like

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follow and share knowledge is power. We need

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to support. I'm on a 5 day van

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on fascist book again. That little booster sees

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bitch just posted,

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Pi turf with an American flag, while he's

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suppressing the first amendment rights of million of

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Americans. At hip critical

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mid. You know who you are, Sucker turned.

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Have a nice day and buddy. Well, as

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long as they just signal

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for freedom, you know, that's a big thing.

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Well, it looks like you've done it began,

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you've wasted get another Perfectly good hour listening

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Young

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as they say down here. So,

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Dan, thank you so much of Hartman Win,

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no and. They've fired him a long time

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ago. And we love you guys

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from the shadows of the New York City

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skyline

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and be before gold shores of our alabama

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where it is I've told about temperature his

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son

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God Jesus carries in a battle. That we

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will see you