WEBVTT 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:13.240 You're listening to Fusion Patrol, a listener-supported podcast. 00:00:14.680 --> 00:00:18.520 Each week, we take a single episode of a science fiction TV series or movie 00:00:19.060 --> 00:00:22.300 and overanalyze it to within an inch of its life. 00:00:22.860 --> 00:00:24.100 Welcome to the discussion. 00:00:29.580 --> 00:00:32.980 Hello, and welcome to another episode of Fusion Patrol. I'm Eugene. 00:00:34.080 --> 00:00:34.700 And I'm Simon. 00:00:35.500 --> 00:00:45.580 And tonight we're going to continue our weird way of circuitously not reviewing every episode of Doctor Who in existence. 00:00:46.350 --> 00:00:53.500 Instead, we're going to continue looking at the oddities, the strange bits, and the miscellaneous. 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:59.040 With tonight being the movie Doctor Who. 00:00:59.820 --> 00:01:00.600 and the Daleks. 00:01:01.230 --> 00:01:02.580 What are the oddities if we... 00:01:03.020 --> 00:01:03.540 The Shauka? 00:01:04.720 --> 00:01:06.900 Yeah, and all the animated... 00:01:07.020 --> 00:01:08.440 Well, I think the animated... 00:01:08.440 --> 00:01:10.320 Well, the animated are real ones, aren't they? 00:01:11.100 --> 00:01:12.600 Sort of. You know what I mean? 00:01:13.140 --> 00:01:14.820 We could just start 00:01:15.360 --> 00:01:16.740 at an unearthly child 00:01:16.850 --> 00:01:18.640 and we could work our way through, but 00:01:19.100 --> 00:01:20.860 we don't. We always kind of 00:01:20.980 --> 00:01:22.500 pick the one-off and 00:01:23.499 --> 00:01:24.380 the different... 00:01:25.010 --> 00:01:26.880 The different, because it's too big of a 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:28.320 task to do them all. 00:01:28.800 --> 00:01:34.380 So by the time they've finished animating all of the existing Doctor Who black and white stories, 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:36.100 because that's probably what they're going to do. 00:01:36.540 --> 00:01:39.100 They're just going to delete the ones they've got and replace them with animations. 00:01:39.470 --> 00:01:40.940 I think that's the next thing on the line. 00:01:40.950 --> 00:01:45.540 But anyway, which, you know, will be great on Blu-ray. 00:01:47.619 --> 00:01:54.740 But tonight it's Doctor Who and the Daleks with Peter Cushing as Doctor Who. 00:01:55.440 --> 00:02:01.580 It's just another quiet evening at the home of Doctor Who and his two granddaughters, Susan and Barbara. 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:06.600 Barbara's young man, Ian Chesterton, is coming to call on her this evening. 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:12.500 It may be a quiet evening at home reading books and comics, but it's also a momentous evening. 00:02:13.020 --> 00:02:21.440 Just sitting in one of the chairs is the last piece of equipment that Doctor Who needs to complete years of his life's work. 00:02:22.020 --> 00:02:28.420 TARDIS, a time and space machine that he has built, curiously in the shape of a London police public 00:02:28.760 --> 00:02:35.780 call box. Since Ian, who is a bit of a klutz, almost sits on that piece of equipment, Doctor 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:42.120 Who decides maybe tonight he should complete TARDIS. He shows Chesterton his fabulous machine, 00:02:42.620 --> 00:02:48.460 but Klutzman Ian manages to launch them into space and time without a clue to their destination. 00:02:49.320 --> 00:02:52.240 They find themselves on a burnt-out planet in a petrified forest. 00:02:53.120 --> 00:03:00.260 Soon they discover a fabulous city, which Doctor Who and his precocious granddaughter Susan want to explore. 00:03:00.980 --> 00:03:03.560 Ian is scared and wants to go home. 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:07.420 Doctor Who fakes that the fluid link is broken, 00:03:07.940 --> 00:03:13.900 forcing them to investigate the city for needed mercury to replace the fluid in said fluid link. 00:03:14.160 --> 00:03:17.780 But not before there's a mysterious knock at TARDIS' door. 00:03:18.620 --> 00:03:22.740 Outside, they find no one but a mysterious box filled with chemicals. 00:03:23.920 --> 00:03:30.940 Doctor Who decides they have time to investigate that later and leaves the box inside TARDIS. 00:03:32.100 --> 00:03:35.980 In the city, they are captured by creatures enclosed in metal machines. 00:03:36.620 --> 00:03:39.220 These creatures are called Daleks. 00:03:39.880 --> 00:03:44.180 They are the descendants of the survivors of the war that destroyed the planet. 00:03:44.860 --> 00:03:50.240 They live in their city, encased in their machines to protect them from the radiation outside. 00:03:51.300 --> 00:03:58.920 Also outside are their ancient enemies, the Thals, horribly mutated creatures that wander the barren land. 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:05.820 In their cell, the gang are getting ill, and Doctor Who realizes that they have radiation sickness. 00:04:06.740 --> 00:04:11.780 The outside environment has been lethally radioactive and is killing them. 00:04:12.340 --> 00:04:16.880 He realizes that the box must have been radiation medicine given to them by the Thals. 00:04:17.799 --> 00:04:23.820 The Daleks realize that if they could get that medicine, they could leave their machines and their city. 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:29.480 They force Susan, the only one well enough, to return to TARDIS and get the medicine. 00:04:30.300 --> 00:04:33.300 The Daleks plan to take the medicine and let the travelers die. 00:04:33.840 --> 00:04:37.940 It seems the Daleks may not be entirely nice guys. 00:04:39.220 --> 00:04:45.280 Along the way, Susan encounters the Thals, beautiful, kindly, golden people who not only help her, 00:04:45.710 --> 00:04:52.040 but also give her even more medicine, just in case the Daleks don't hand over the first batch to her family and friends. 00:04:52.840 --> 00:04:58.280 The Daleks immediately discover the extra drugs, but A decide to let Susan give them to the gang anyway, 00:04:58.740 --> 00:05:00.460 curing them from this plot complication. 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:06.300 The Daleks also have Susan write a nice letter to the Thals, asking them over for afternoon tea. 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:12.520 It is, of course, a trap, because, as previously mentioned, the Daleks aren't entirely nice guys. 00:05:13.400 --> 00:05:18.840 The travelers escape and warn the Thals, just in the nick of time, and they all escape the city. 00:05:19.260 --> 00:05:22.460 Problem solved, it's time to return to TARDIS and go home. 00:05:23.080 --> 00:05:23.680 Just one problem. 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:27.360 Doctor Who left the fluid link back with the Daleks. 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:30.720 In the city, the Daleks begin to test the medicine. 00:05:31.200 --> 00:05:36.120 It turns out the medicine kills them, presumably because they now rely on the radiation. 00:05:36.960 --> 00:05:41.380 They decide to explode a massive neutronic bomb and completely irradiate the planet, 00:05:41.820 --> 00:05:44.660 killing all the Thals and finally winning that war. 00:05:45.460 --> 00:05:47.940 The Thals are pacifists and will not fight the Daleks, 00:05:48.080 --> 00:05:51.320 but Doctor Who, desperate to get back that fluid link, 00:05:51.760 --> 00:05:55.540 makes the leader of the Thals mad enough to beat up Ian. 00:05:56.400 --> 00:05:58.500 Having shown him that he can get mad and fight, 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:01.400 it's easy to convince the Thals to attack the Dalek city. 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:05.259 While Ian, Barbara, and a team of Thals travel around the city 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:07.080 through a swamp of death, 00:06:07.400 --> 00:06:09.860 Doctor Who, Susan, and the remaining Thals 00:06:10.080 --> 00:06:11.820 use mirrors to attack the front of the city. 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:14.520 Both groups arriving just in time 00:06:14.610 --> 00:06:16.720 to battle the Daleks and stop the bomb. 00:06:17.200 --> 00:06:18.360 With a fluid link returned, 00:06:18.780 --> 00:06:20.880 Doctor Who, Barbara, Susan, and Ian 00:06:21.440 --> 00:06:23.740 bid a tearful farewell to the Thals 00:06:23.910 --> 00:06:25.400 and return to Earth, 00:06:25.960 --> 00:06:28.920 just in time for the Roman legions to attack them. 00:06:29.420 --> 00:06:30.020 The end. 00:06:32.300 --> 00:06:34.560 Well, so have you seen this movie before? 00:06:35.740 --> 00:06:42.800 yes yeah okay i wasn't sure whether this was like a complete uh shocker or whether uh this was uh 00:06:43.580 --> 00:06:50.440 this was something you were revisiting no i've seen i've seen both the films okay only once i 00:06:50.640 --> 00:06:57.560 may i may have seen this twice before but i doubt having voluntarily chosen to re-watch it 00:07:00.220 --> 00:07:08.920 so um what what are your thoughts what are your first thoughts well my my my overall 00:07:09.500 --> 00:07:17.480 take on this is that it's it's a it's a plot point by plot point remake of the daleks the second 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:27.620 serial by terry nation from the show which they basically grabbed and converted wholesale into a 00:07:27.660 --> 00:07:34.800 screen colour cinematic release cutting it down from what must be close to three hours to 80 00:07:35.060 --> 00:07:45.280 minutes and here's the here's the thing about the Daleks I the Daleks was not the first Dalek 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:52.699 serial I ever watched probably in common with a lot of Doctor Who fans of my age and younger 00:07:53.460 --> 00:08:00.680 which at my age is probably most of us now um it's probably true with most doctor who fans 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:06.180 since they didn't repeat yes i mean those those who grew up with it will obviously 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:11.780 this will have been the the serial which you see the daleks for the first time and in my mind 00:08:12.620 --> 00:08:21.880 this is this is what has kind of created the the the fascination with the the daleks because 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:30.140 we know you know the the orthodox Doctor Who history is that the the first serial was a bit 00:08:30.140 --> 00:08:37.560 of a flop but when Verity Lambert defied Sidney Newman by bringing in these new bug-eyed monsters 00:08:38.300 --> 00:08:46.800 suddenly the the nation was captivated by these these kind of curious machines and so when and 00:08:46.820 --> 00:08:52.020 this is only a couple of years later they make a cinematic release a you know a film version of 00:08:52.160 --> 00:09:00.200 doctor who they decide that the the thing that they must keep from the show and we'll come back 00:09:00.220 --> 00:09:05.900 to the things they do and don't keep but you know the key thing it goes in the title is the daleks 00:09:06.540 --> 00:09:13.980 because it's dalek mania right right and i you know growing up in the in the 80s i remember in 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:20.800 my primary school everyone going on about daleks and doing dalek voices and dalek actions and so 00:09:21.340 --> 00:09:23.660 you know that was that you grew up with nick briggs 00:09:25.820 --> 00:09:31.100 yes he was at my school yeah no all right he was at all of our schools he was at all of our schools 00:09:31.300 --> 00:09:39.600 but the the i mean the thing is that when you go back and look at this serial and i i guess you 00:09:39.620 --> 00:09:44.040 carry some high or this story i should say because it's the same story we're looking at in the film 00:09:44.050 --> 00:09:52.500 you carry some high expectations um in in terms of the dalek daleks with it and in my mind it's 00:09:52.600 --> 00:10:00.160 still not a very good dalek story the there are some things that were kind of quickly ditched in 00:10:00.160 --> 00:10:05.839 the dalek mythos there were some things that were later on added in and i think about genesis of the 00:10:05.860 --> 00:10:13.680 Daleks where it's pretty universally highly regarded and the kind of origin story is all 00:10:13.820 --> 00:10:21.240 about how the the the metal casing they're in the mutated forms are in is precisely to sustain them 00:10:21.800 --> 00:10:26.620 because of the radiation whereas they seem to be wanting radiation drugs in this and that's all a 00:10:26.620 --> 00:10:35.060 bit weird um but the the kind of things that always didn't jive with me but obviously make 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:43.940 it into the film and and and seem to be popular are the are the let's get the let's get the tiny 00:10:44.420 --> 00:10:51.380 dalek mutant creature out of the casing which is quite a sinister thing and let's fit the giant 00:10:52.480 --> 00:11:01.480 human man inside the casing and then somehow somehow he's he's in a position within the casing 00:11:01.500 --> 00:11:10.720 where the however the the eyestalk works feeds into he he can line up his eye basically with 00:11:10.880 --> 00:11:16.860 some sort of screen you know it's no direct input to an optic nerve or whatever and his vocal cords 00:11:17.260 --> 00:11:21.780 are for whatever reason mashed up into sounding like a dalek rather than it being some kind of 00:11:22.100 --> 00:11:29.860 crude amplification system because the you know the mutated larynx of of of the of the dalek 00:11:29.880 --> 00:11:39.180 creature is incapable of projecting and enunciating the way a humanoid could um but it's it's it's the 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:45.140 comic it's the slapstick right it's the it's the it's the kind of it's the imaginative appeal of 00:11:45.260 --> 00:11:49.680 having someone getting inside the dustbin and pretending to be one of these strange machines 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:53.760 well to be fair Roy Castle's not that big of a human being 00:11:56.160 --> 00:12:04.020 well that's he's bigger than susan but not much and he yes yes but he's still he's still bigger 00:12:04.220 --> 00:12:11.960 than the the dalek machine i think the thing about it is the movie really really goes big 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:16.920 on all that stuff and where it does add things in and you know when you've got 80 minutes running 00:12:17.160 --> 00:12:23.740 time to to cram in a serial of this length do you really want to spend 10 minutes looking at 00:12:23.760 --> 00:12:24.800 trying to open a door. 00:12:25.259 --> 00:12:27.920 Well, apparently cinema audiences did. 00:12:28.680 --> 00:12:29.340 It's called tension. 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:29.980 I'm not sure. 00:12:31.680 --> 00:12:34.100 Well, I think it's supposed to be comedy. 00:12:35.020 --> 00:12:35.160 Oh. 00:12:35.400 --> 00:12:36.180 That's my guess. 00:12:36.959 --> 00:12:38.520 Oh, my guess. 00:12:39.400 --> 00:12:39.760 Which door? 00:12:41.699 --> 00:12:44.580 The one where he's sitting on the pad and gets up. 00:12:44.820 --> 00:12:45.400 Oh, that one. 00:12:45.520 --> 00:12:45.740 That one. 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.020 I was thinking when he was trying to get out of the elevator. 00:12:48.300 --> 00:12:48.420 Okay. 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:51.000 But yes, you're right. 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:51.640 You're right. 00:12:53.040 --> 00:12:55.060 Or the door to Doctor Who's house. 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:03.140 The thing is, almost all the kind of memorable scenes in the story are there, but in a very sort of truncated form. 00:13:03.180 --> 00:13:18.460 And actually, because this is very much connected to the serial, I decided I would re-watch the serial to see what was there and what wasn't and what was in one and not the other. 00:13:19.280 --> 00:13:25.120 And they managed to get pretty much all of the plot into the 80 minutes, I think. 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:31.000 They've managed to get absolutely none of the charm and the interest. 00:13:31.400 --> 00:13:43.760 And here's the thing, all those criticisms about the Dalek story, you know, that was me thinking, you know, it's got this it's got this awful kind of this nonsense with getting inside a Dalek machine and pretending to be a Dalek. 00:13:43.820 --> 00:13:53.400 And then there's a whole load of it where there just aren't really any Daleks because it's all the swamp stuff and the cave stuff and the trying to get into the city for about three episodes. 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:58.740 And you rewatch it. And actually, all of that stuff is brilliant. 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:12.620 It's because what's great about the BBC version of this story is that even though they were doing this on an absolute shoestring and, you know, when you look at the film budget, you don't think that's so much. 00:14:12.660 --> 00:14:21.440 but compared to what the BBC had, it must have been a king's ransom. And yet the design and the 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:30.140 photography and the direction in the BBC serial is superb. And the cast absolutely act their socks 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:38.219 off. I mean, I just forget how damn good these people are. And then you look at the film and 00:14:38.780 --> 00:14:44.740 the the design is horrible it's you know it's it's full technicolor and all the rest of it 00:14:44.920 --> 00:14:52.980 what have they done with it they it's garish garish colors it's it's uh nasty looking model 00:14:53.280 --> 00:15:02.780 shots the the there's no you know there's there's there's guilt instead of style there's there's 00:15:02.780 --> 00:15:07.119 none of the there's none of the imaginative photography the acting and i'll come back to 00:15:07.140 --> 00:15:14.580 individual performances but god almighty it's terrible and you know I love Peter Cushing but 00:15:15.560 --> 00:15:23.160 wow this is just awful and the changes that they've made in terms of the writing make almost 00:15:23.780 --> 00:15:30.000 no sense I mean either they don't make any sense at all or you just think well there's some kind 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:34.959 of internal logic to that but why did they think it was a good idea because the change they've made 00:15:34.980 --> 00:15:36.520 is a massive downgrade. 00:15:37.540 --> 00:15:42.740 Okay, so let's take a couple of thoughts here on this. 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:45.080 I don't know if this is a phenomena in Britain, 00:15:45.300 --> 00:15:46.460 but in the United States, 00:15:48.920 --> 00:15:51.360 there have been, at least when I was a kid, 00:15:51.880 --> 00:15:54.100 movies and TV shows that, 00:15:54.700 --> 00:15:56.760 so if a movie comes out or a TV show comes out 00:15:56.800 --> 00:16:00.380 and somebody writes a novelization of it, right? 00:16:01.660 --> 00:16:02.920 Sometimes the novelizations, 00:16:03.380 --> 00:16:04.300 well, I know you have these in Britain. 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:12.620 That's not what I'm getting to. But then also, sometimes if the property has an appeal to 00:16:12.790 --> 00:16:20.700 children in some way, they would make really short kid books, maybe even illustrated from 00:16:21.640 --> 00:16:31.059 those stories. And they would absolutely truncate the heck of them down and simplify things and 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:37.420 perhaps make things a little brighter or a little more comedy and that's exactly what this film 00:16:37.660 --> 00:16:43.940 reminds me of this is one of those kid books turned back into a movie so you take something 00:16:44.060 --> 00:16:50.340 that was aimed at you know at a i don't want to say an adult audience but at a reasonably 00:16:50.680 --> 00:16:55.339 intelligent audience and then you decide it needs to be dumbed down for a book and then somebody 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:59.280 He says, that'd make a great movie, and then turns it back into a film. 00:17:00.699 --> 00:17:02.800 It's kind of the feel I get out of this. 00:17:03.780 --> 00:17:12.600 It hits the beats, but it just isn't, you know, at the same audience and at the same level of engagement. 00:17:12.780 --> 00:17:17.680 You know, it's not trying to hit the same buttons of, and I'm not trying to put this as intellectual. 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:18.560 I think you're right. 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:21.480 It's meant to be a broader audience. 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:22.600 It's supposed to be funnier. 00:17:23.760 --> 00:17:24.760 It's supposed to be funnier. 00:17:24.980 --> 00:17:26.500 It's supposed to appeal to a broader audience. 00:17:26.819 --> 00:17:34.600 It's supposed to appeal to, and these are misjudged things. 00:17:34.760 --> 00:17:54.140 Now, some of the things like Doctor Who instead of the Doctor and changing characters, I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't something to do with the bizarre, bizarre to me, bizarre to the way I understand it works in the United States. 00:17:54.260 --> 00:18:04.300 way of rights and copyright ownership that you have in britain so when you know when you write 00:18:04.380 --> 00:18:12.280 a tv series in the united states if in episode two writer john smith develops a particular 00:18:12.820 --> 00:18:18.700 character he didn't own that character the the series owns it that whoever is hands on the 00:18:18.800 --> 00:18:25.080 contract well the contracts don't give it over here right but but you know to have no terry 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:29.900 nation own the daleks if you're on staff if you're a staff bbc writer and you create something 00:18:30.320 --> 00:18:37.860 it's it's because you're salaried to the bbc if you're a freelancer on a contract i think this is 00:18:37.900 --> 00:18:45.039 massive oversimplification but um then your contract may leave you with the rights to the 00:18:45.060 --> 00:18:51.360 character hence the fact that terry nation who wrote the serial the daleks retained ownership 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:58.780 of the daleks he owns the story and he owns the daleks but he does not own the doctor and the 00:18:59.220 --> 00:19:07.440 format of the bbc series and so it you know hitting the things that nation owns the daleks 00:19:07.520 --> 00:19:09.640 and the plot points make sense. 00:19:10.340 --> 00:19:14.180 Changing them, I think has a little to do, 00:19:14.860 --> 00:19:17.020 you know, not wanting it to be a continuing thing anyway, 00:19:17.080 --> 00:19:20.200 but I think there's something there. 00:19:20.300 --> 00:19:22.460 I think that's part of the reason these things have changed. 00:19:23.260 --> 00:19:26.740 I want evidence for this because I'm sceptical. 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:33.300 It's a strange set of choices, 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:35.420 what has and hasn't been kept here. 00:19:36.700 --> 00:19:57.040 And I really, really, I can't tell you how much I've re-evaluated the TV serial, which is so much better than I realised, because it's darker and it does, although it's a, you know, it's a kid's show, it's treating its audience with a huge amount more respect than this. 00:19:57.800 --> 00:20:12.780 But yes, they're going for something slightly different in this. And I think that's what lies behind the changes they've made, because there's no way they can have made this Doctor Who slightly different spelling or changes to the background of the character to avoid copyright. It's not enough. 00:20:13.180 --> 00:20:27.660 But nor is it, even if they made those changes possible, they could have done this without cooperation from the BBC because they have used the Dalek design, which isn't owned by Terry Nation. 00:20:28.500 --> 00:20:31.840 So there has to have been a deal done for that as well. 00:20:32.540 --> 00:20:47.300 I think, although I mean, I take your point that the creation of the doctor and Ian and Susan and Barbara, Ian and Barbara's teachers and all the rest of it does come from another writer's story. 00:20:48.080 --> 00:21:03.480 I think they have simply decided that their version is better, that they would rather the Doctor is not a mysterious alien. He's just a kooky human inventor. 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:19.460 It's very British. I mean, that's a very British stereotype, the British eccentric inventor. I mean, looking at Cavour in First Man in the Moon and that sort of mold that we have. 00:21:19.580 --> 00:21:20.560 Yes, I get that. 00:21:20.560 --> 00:21:22.900 They have been aimed at a different market, like the Americans. 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:27.820 I'm sure it was because that was obviously a disappointment of this film. 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:33.780 The fact that it didn't work over your side of the pond because to, 00:21:34.170 --> 00:21:36.560 you know, to somewhat to my shame, 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:40.940 the Brits all flocked to the cinema to watch this shite. 00:21:43.970 --> 00:21:45.100 But, you know, 00:21:46.100 --> 00:21:50.420 those changes that they made were probably expedient in getting into the 00:21:50.600 --> 00:21:53.960 story because in a way they've got to remake an unearthly child to 00:21:53.980 --> 00:21:59.320 they've got to introduce the Doctor and his companions and the whole time space machine 00:22:00.300 --> 00:22:08.980 setup and I mean I think An Unearthly Child is it it remains one of the absolute best 00:22:09.760 --> 00:22:14.700 Doctor Who stories it's I watch every year and I'm still astounded by how good it is 00:22:15.780 --> 00:22:20.220 you're talking about just the part one on An Unearthly Child just yeah just that just the 00:22:20.240 --> 00:22:27.600 just that 25 minutes of setup with with Ian and Barbara as as the as the nosy teachers going and 00:22:27.740 --> 00:22:37.440 investigating this this girl who who appears to be she doesn't have anyone looking after her 00:22:37.900 --> 00:22:43.740 and she doesn't appear to be properly looked after in a you know in a normal household and 00:22:43.940 --> 00:22:48.520 and this very mysterious home life and and the background to this is of course that she is 00:22:48.540 --> 00:22:57.720 herself terribly alien which you know carol ann ford is just is is brilliant at and and the alienness 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:03.060 is also you know although hartnell is the least favorite of my doctors it's the essence of his 00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:12.180 performance and and and and cushing as this as this human doctor who just happens to have somehow 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:19.680 come up with this time and space machine, has none of the kind of alienness or darkness, 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:29.600 the non-humanness of Hartnell. He's, if anything, because in one of the pleasures of the serial is 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:37.580 that there is this kind of, there's still this tension existing between the teachers who 00:23:37.600 --> 00:23:47.720 absolutely don't trust the doctor and the doctor himself who is this mischievous and uh kind of 00:23:48.030 --> 00:23:54.360 um arrogance not quite the word i'm looking for but but um he he he has a certain amount of 00:23:54.740 --> 00:24:02.620 disdain for you know these these humans it takes yes he takes it takes a while to even warm up to 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:09.440 them so that so there's this this fantastic tension going on and the doctor by by faking 00:24:09.940 --> 00:24:15.640 the yeah yeah the failure of the fluidly does something really pretty terrible because he 00:24:16.210 --> 00:24:20.920 wait wait wait wait wait wait he risks everyone's lives wait wait wait wait i wanted to talk about 00:24:21.080 --> 00:24:27.200 that in the serial okay i want you i want since you just watched it i want you to tell me because 00:24:27.220 --> 00:24:32.660 it sounds like you just contradicted what i thought my impression was that in the serial 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:43.980 he did not fake the the damage to the fluid link he did damage the fluid link he did put their lives 00:24:44.010 --> 00:24:49.360 in jeopardy to achieve this goal he drained the mercury out or whatever he did he actually 00:24:50.300 --> 00:24:56.179 destroyed the component as opposed to in this where it's very clear that he only pretended 00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:03.820 to damage the component which is a big difference you may you may be right although if so there is 00:25:03.820 --> 00:25:09.400 a continuity error because in episode seven ian just picks up the fluid link and they go back to 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:16.220 the tardis without looking for it unless unless at some unless at some point there was some way of 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:21.760 repairing it but i i'm not actually sure that makes any difference the point is by the time 00:25:21.780 --> 00:25:25.960 they're prisoners of the Daleks they have radiation poisoning and they're highly likely to be 00:25:26.220 --> 00:25:36.380 exterminated and that's in that is consistent with the the kind of the Hartnell doctor he is like 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:44.480 he is a a man of mischief and he is he he has little he has little value for the lives of his 00:25:44.580 --> 00:25:48.720 companions he does value Susan's life and I'm sure he feels guilty for putting her in danger 00:25:48.740 --> 00:25:57.080 but he you know he is not a he's not a responsible man he's not a good man and that's the opposite of 00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:03.520 Cushing's performance although it struck me actually in a in a slightly different way than 00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:11.960 I think you must have viewed this what Cushing does is actually although they don't dwell on it 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:20.100 and there are no repercussions for it is much more manipulative because he lets ian try to launch 00:26:20.150 --> 00:26:30.100 the tardis knowing full well that he has sabotaged it and that it won't do anything so where where 00:26:30.220 --> 00:26:35.800 hartnell does it as almost a spur of the moment thing he says oh the fluid link is damaged we 00:26:35.860 --> 00:26:42.020 can't possibly launch the TARDIS. Cushing has done this premeditated thing of basically 00:26:42.540 --> 00:26:48.720 sabotaging the machine, going through this charade of letting them think that they are going to go 00:26:48.860 --> 00:26:55.580 back to London and safety. But in fact, knowing all along that there is no way that that can 00:26:55.720 --> 00:27:05.820 happen and pretending then to be surprised by it and that, you know, he comes up with the 00:27:05.840 --> 00:27:13.480 and oh isn't you know isn't he good for doing that so you're right i think it's i i see it 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:19.820 different so and i'd have to go back and watch again to make sure but i think that he quote 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:27.760 unquote sabotages the fluid link before the thals knock on the door would that be a am i remembering 00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:34.779 that correctly yes okay so at the point that he quote unquote sabotages it the planet is dead 00:27:34.940 --> 00:27:59.800 There's a city. They don't see anybody in the city. They think the planet is dead. They want to go take a look at it. I'm not saying it's reasonable to assume that there is no life on this planet. But on the other hand, it kind of looks like there's no life on this planet. And so staying around for a few more hours to do a little more sightseeing isn't all that risky or wouldn't. 00:27:59.820 --> 00:28:01.480 Don't try to justify it. 00:28:01.540 --> 00:28:02.600 No, no, no, I'm not trying to justify. 00:28:02.840 --> 00:28:04.140 Well, I'm not trying to justify that. 00:28:04.320 --> 00:28:05.400 He lies. 00:28:05.780 --> 00:28:06.320 He lies. 00:28:06.560 --> 00:28:08.240 He's completely manipulative. 00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:13.420 He decides to take a risk with their lives. 00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:17.120 It's not the same risk because he's wrong. 00:28:17.580 --> 00:28:27.400 If the other doctor, if the real doctor did damage the fluid link, truly damage the fluid link, leaving them stuck there without the fluid, 00:28:28.100 --> 00:28:33.180 then he's taken a much greater gamble on the assumption that he would be able to repair the TARDIS. 00:28:33.580 --> 00:28:37.020 And that seems like far more reckless and dangerous thing to do to me. 00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:40.900 Now, if he didn't actually damage it, then Cushing doesn't come clean. 00:28:41.840 --> 00:28:44.440 The thal locks on the door, actually, you know what? 00:28:44.940 --> 00:28:46.880 Oh, look, I found another fluid link. 00:28:47.600 --> 00:28:48.840 Yeah, I found another fluid link. 00:28:49.020 --> 00:28:51.140 Or, oh, this was loose, or whatever. 00:28:51.300 --> 00:28:55.680 He could cover that up and it never be known what he'd done. 00:28:55.820 --> 00:29:03.000 Or in fact, he could come clean and say, oh, well, you know, when there was no risk, I was going to manipulate you in this way. 00:29:03.090 --> 00:29:05.980 But as it turns out, maybe you're right. 00:29:06.470 --> 00:29:08.660 There are any number of ways that he could have. 00:29:09.320 --> 00:29:11.660 I'm not saying either is good. 00:29:12.250 --> 00:29:16.020 I just kind of think one is more risky than the other. 00:29:17.040 --> 00:29:21.960 They both end up to the same level of risk, except for if the fluid link is truly damaged. 00:29:22.220 --> 00:29:31.640 There is both the risk of going out there and the risk of not being able to get the fluid link sick, as opposed to the risk of manipulating them and going out to find it. 00:29:31.780 --> 00:29:38.480 And the doctor, either way, the other doctor is doing the same manipulation to get them to go out and do what he wants. 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:39.679 So, I mean, it's bad. 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:55.180 I just think it's interesting that they made it very clear that it's really not damaged in this one so that it seems more more like a harmless deception as opposed to a potentially harmful deception. 00:29:56.600 --> 00:30:03.720 I think it's very key. Right. No, I agree. I agree on that because I think now very keen to indicate that there are no. 00:30:05.660 --> 00:30:10.340 It's part of mitigating the darkness of the actual story. 00:30:10.540 --> 00:30:16.340 They are very keen to indicate that there are no really bad things happening. 00:30:17.060 --> 00:30:22.020 So the obvious one is that when Thingamius, whatever his name is, 00:30:22.940 --> 00:30:25.880 I get Terry Nation names completely mixed up. 00:30:26.820 --> 00:30:27.960 Except for Tarrant. 00:30:28.220 --> 00:30:29.820 Tarrant is the easiest one to remember. 00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:30.900 He always has a Tarrant. 00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:32.300 There wasn't a Tarrant in this, was there? 00:30:32.300 --> 00:30:32.420 I know. 00:30:33.020 --> 00:30:33.540 There wasn't. 00:30:33.700 --> 00:30:34.300 Stolishing. 00:30:35.140 --> 00:30:35.620 Um... 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:44.620 The one who decides he wants to turn back cuts himself from the rope that is tied to Ian. 00:30:44.950 --> 00:30:55.740 And then in the film, miraculously, lands an outcrop from which he can rapidly crawl back up. 00:30:55.740 --> 00:30:58.400 And everyone is, oh, thank goodness, that's all fine. 00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:04.900 I mean, that was the most egregious example of it in the film. 00:31:05.540 --> 00:31:17.860 But all the way through, I think there is a kind of, at worst, the doctor seems ineffectual. 00:31:17.870 --> 00:31:23.420 So another example is when Ian gets stuck inside the Dalek casing. 00:31:24.060 --> 00:31:28.200 A little bit of irritating nonsense, supposed to build tension or whatever. 00:31:28.520 --> 00:31:41.080 But from the point of view of the serial, it does create a lovely moment where the doctor takes Susan and Barbara and, you know, in fairness, at Ian's urging. 00:31:41.270 --> 00:31:48.300 But he doesn't need much persuading. He takes them to safety because he can see that Ian is toast, basically. 00:31:49.180 --> 00:31:53.980 And, you know, it's only a couple of episodes since he was ready to bash a caveman on the head. 00:31:54.840 --> 00:31:59.620 So that's very much consistent, whereas they don't play it that way in the film. 00:31:59.650 --> 00:32:09.280 It's much more like they're happy for him to just be this ineffectual doddery old man rather than this rather cunning and ruthless old man. 00:32:10.380 --> 00:32:14.120 And it basically reduces the doctor, I think. 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:20.800 The doctor just becomes this kind of cuddly grandpa who saves the day, basically. 00:32:22.100 --> 00:32:23.360 He's the magic ground. 00:32:23.460 --> 00:32:26.160 He's the Jeremy Corbyn of Doctor Who. 00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:28.200 I'll put this out there then. 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:30.000 Who is the star of this film? 00:32:30.500 --> 00:32:32.440 I mean, Peter Cushing obviously had Tom Billing 00:32:32.560 --> 00:32:33.440 because of the biggest name. 00:32:33.560 --> 00:32:33.900 It's Cushing. 00:32:34.460 --> 00:32:36.040 But really not. 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:36.920 I mean... 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:38.180 No, no, no. 00:32:38.760 --> 00:32:40.040 It definitely is Cushing. 00:32:42.140 --> 00:32:47.760 So watch the serial and another thing becomes apparent. 00:32:48.320 --> 00:32:48.860 Yeah, yeah. 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:50.500 It's William Russell. 00:32:50.820 --> 00:32:59.080 and and and you know he's flipping amazing i mean the scene where he's clinging to that rope ledge 00:32:59.080 --> 00:33:03.780 which you know is you know six inches off the studio ground or whatever he's giving it everything 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:16.879 now in in the film where where you have um so uh oh let's think there's there's um the the there's 00:33:16.900 --> 00:33:25.380 There's the speech where one of the Thales asks, why do the Daleks want to kill us? 00:33:25.910 --> 00:33:28.180 And Ian basically explains, because they're fascists. 00:33:28.840 --> 00:33:32.100 They hate people who are different from them. 00:33:32.850 --> 00:33:37.820 And in the film, the Thales ask the question, Peter Cushing gets to give the answer. 00:33:39.040 --> 00:33:56.540 Worse still, when they're having the big and really rather interesting discussion about pacifism with the Thales and and they decide to to solve it in the somewhat sexist way of appealing to the Thales chauvinism. 00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:19.399 It's Ian who comes up with that idea. And he, you know, he puts his chin in the line of a thal's fist in aid of everyone's mutual benefit. But in the film, it's got to be Cushing who comes up with the clever idea, even though it's still Ian's chin that's in the firing line. 00:34:19.720 --> 00:34:25.500 okay now wait a minute i i mean yes obviously there's there's absolutely no doubt peter cushing 00:34:25.780 --> 00:34:31.520 the big star has the top billing name in the name of the episode along with the daleks 00:34:32.600 --> 00:34:39.340 what my point was is that when watching the daleks it's very clear that ian is the hero he's the 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:45.539 agency the doctor is a plot complication such as destroying the fluid link and he's also a resource 00:34:47.120 --> 00:34:54.700 but in this even though Cushing gets the lines and his agency is not at the same level 00:34:55.360 --> 00:35:04.280 as as Ian's was and and it diffuses this across this it it just doesn't really seem like 00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:11.119 Cushing is getting this the the full I'm the star of the film treatment but as you say 00:35:11.540 --> 00:35:17.700 all of the stuff is kind of given to him it's it's done in such an ineffectual and kind of 00:35:17.900 --> 00:35:23.940 diffuse way and it just but that's because the essence of the essence of the story is written 00:35:24.240 --> 00:35:30.980 around ian as the hero and and you're i mean you're absolutely right the changes that they 00:35:30.980 --> 00:35:37.059 have made diminish that and therefore diminish the film because you can't just switch the hero 00:35:37.100 --> 00:35:38.720 without rewriting the story properly. 00:35:39.380 --> 00:35:40.580 And they haven't done that. 00:35:41.240 --> 00:35:43.300 So I agree. 00:35:43.580 --> 00:35:47.240 But that's the problem with the character changes that they've made 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:53.840 because Ian is no longer the concerned teacher and young hero. 00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:58.780 He's the light relief, the comedy boyfriend. 00:35:59.740 --> 00:36:03.860 And I mean, I think to an extent it suffers from the changes 00:36:04.220 --> 00:36:05.440 to the character of all of them. 00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:11.160 Cushing has been made into cuddly grandpa, so that diminishes his character. 00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:18.840 Susan, and I mean, Roberta Tovey gives a reasonable performance in the role, 00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.600 but she's no longer the interesting alien. 00:36:22.670 --> 00:36:27.080 She no longer has the kind of same passionate connection with the Thals, 00:36:27.690 --> 00:36:31.480 and she's no longer quite as riled up by the injustice. 00:36:31.680 --> 00:36:34.680 She's more someone who is there for Cushing to protect. 00:36:35.940 --> 00:36:39.140 Making her younger switches that too. 00:36:39.740 --> 00:36:40.980 Yes, yes, exactly. 00:36:41.390 --> 00:36:42.000 Exactly so. 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:44.300 And Barbara doesn't get to take that place. 00:36:44.900 --> 00:36:45.600 Barbara gets nothing. 00:36:45.700 --> 00:36:48.740 No, but I mean, Barbara is absolutely a nothing in this. 00:36:48.790 --> 00:36:52.880 And she's supposed to be the doctor. 00:36:53.240 --> 00:36:54.320 He's not the doctor, is he? 00:36:54.660 --> 00:36:59.100 He's supposed to be the doctor who's number of times you've said that in the freehand world. 00:36:59.240 --> 00:37:01.320 God, it just jars me so much. 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:05.720 But okay, she is doctor who's granddaughter as well. 00:37:05.900 --> 00:37:08.700 And yet there is zero chemistry between them. 00:37:09.520 --> 00:37:10.560 I mean, there is this mystery. 00:37:10.720 --> 00:37:13.900 There is this mild curiosity in a junkyard, 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:19.660 which comes about from why is this girl living inside a police box, 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:24.340 inside a junkyard, and who with, and all the rest of it. 00:37:24.820 --> 00:37:29.400 And instead of that, we have a setup where the young girl 00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:33.340 is being looked after by her grandfather on his own. 00:37:34.080 --> 00:37:39.620 And it's maybe not as unusual, but it's still it begs the question of, well, how's that come about? 00:37:40.220 --> 00:37:40.920 Are they on their on? 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:42.360 On them? 00:37:42.610 --> 00:37:45.440 Well, is there is you think there's a Mrs. Who? 00:37:46.200 --> 00:37:49.740 Or there might be his daughter or his son. 00:37:49.970 --> 00:37:52.740 And they were just, you know, off doing something that night. 00:37:53.130 --> 00:37:59.580 I mean, we only see their home life for a very short period of time before they hop in the TARDIS. 00:38:00.020 --> 00:38:01.200 There's no reference to it. 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:04.840 I mean, obviously there's 80 minutes, not something you want to spend time on. 00:38:05.020 --> 00:38:09.740 But it just and yeah, the character of the character of Barbara is nothing. 00:38:09.830 --> 00:38:15.680 And God, Jacqueline Hill in this serial is again, you know, she's just superb. 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:19.840 And also, goodness me, in in Thal trousers. 00:38:20.720 --> 00:38:20.940 Wow. 00:38:23.359 --> 00:38:30.200 I keep I keep forgetting when when the Thals turn up in their costumes, 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:33.600 which there is still slightly odd in the TV serial, 00:38:33.740 --> 00:38:36.000 but nothing as bad as the kind of nylon hair in the film. 00:38:36.820 --> 00:38:39.560 Why the style trousers, I kind of think, 00:38:40.200 --> 00:38:41.080 something interesting. 00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:43.340 I remember it's because come episode four, 00:38:43.820 --> 00:38:45.200 Barbara's going to be wearing a pair. 00:38:45.900 --> 00:38:46.720 And boy, oh boy. 00:38:47.190 --> 00:38:47.320 Yeah. 00:38:49.420 --> 00:38:50.340 I don't remember that. 00:38:52.720 --> 00:38:55.000 It's been a long time since I watched the Daleks, 00:38:55.820 --> 00:38:56.700 I have to say. 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:12.700 The other thing, while we're on the things that they've changed in the story, but which they make changes and they don't make sense. 00:39:12.940 --> 00:39:17.260 The really egregious one, I think you've alluded to it in your synopsis. 00:39:17.940 --> 00:39:24.500 And it bugged me for just pretty much the whole film because I thought, surely, surely they're not just going to leave that. 00:39:25.040 --> 00:39:26.480 this thing in 00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:27.900 Doctor Who's 00:39:29.820 --> 00:39:30.340 Yard 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:32.620 which is somehow bigger on the inside 00:39:32.750 --> 00:39:34.780 than the outside is in the shape of a 00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:35.460 police box 00:39:37.340 --> 00:39:38.500 It's what he had handy 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:39.300 Why? 00:39:40.780 --> 00:39:42.020 Because literally think 00:39:42.630 --> 00:39:44.800 about all of the things that they could have 00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:46.620 had from the TV series 00:39:46.860 --> 00:39:48.780 that they've discarded. There's the theme music 00:39:50.160 --> 00:39:50.680 There's 00:39:53.460 --> 00:39:54.500 the whole 00:39:54.560 --> 00:40:00.780 there's the whole alien thing there's the there's the iconic tardis interior and again all the kind 00:40:00.780 --> 00:40:07.660 of design stuff well of all of that that what what the bbc did with bbc owns the inside of the 00:40:07.780 --> 00:40:13.880 but they did not own the outside well it just makes no sense they they clearly thought that 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:22.520 the interior of the tardis that they had created was superior and it's just awful or cheaper 00:40:23.020 --> 00:40:24.860 because they didn't have to license that from the BBC. 00:40:25.680 --> 00:40:25.800 Right? 00:40:26.100 --> 00:40:30.620 BBC didn't own the license on the shape of a police box in 1960 whatever. 00:40:31.120 --> 00:40:34.700 That came much later after police boxes were completely gone 00:40:35.200 --> 00:40:40.520 and then the BBC snatched up that, whether, I don't know, it's a trademark or whatever it is. 00:40:40.520 --> 00:40:44.220 But back then, police box, police box, anybody could have used it. 00:40:44.300 --> 00:40:47.100 Inside, BBC design copyright. 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:49.780 I think it's just that. 00:40:50.300 --> 00:40:54.100 And also, you know, colour, doodads, widescreen. 00:40:54.780 --> 00:40:56.340 Yeah, but it's not as good. 00:40:56.340 --> 00:40:56.700 I agree. 00:40:56.700 --> 00:40:57.020 I don't know. 00:40:58.040 --> 00:41:03.440 We've seen now recreations of the original TARDIS on colour in widescreen. 00:41:04.620 --> 00:41:07.020 And they look pretty tasty. 00:41:07.660 --> 00:41:11.080 I think, you know, they might have had to build their own thing. 00:41:11.300 --> 00:41:14.120 But I just don't think they had the designers on this. 00:41:14.230 --> 00:41:18.400 Because I think you see that from the design of the Dalek City. 00:41:19.080 --> 00:41:27.620 it's it's garish uh you know the the the all of the the cameras and everything they they they 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:34.500 they look bad the whole thing just looks bad it looks bad it is bad i really it's not it's not 00:41:34.680 --> 00:41:42.360 practical okay not practical i'm gonna admit this right now and i do have a i have a dislike of 00:41:43.020 --> 00:41:48.220 science fiction design that makes no sense like my constant rant about weird shaped doors 00:41:48.740 --> 00:41:50.400 You know, what's wrong with a rectangular door? 00:41:51.600 --> 00:41:52.000 I don't know 00:41:53.200 --> 00:41:54.040 But here 00:41:54.260 --> 00:41:55.200 It's the concept 00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:57.540 The city of the Daleks in the Daleks 00:41:58.260 --> 00:42:00.180 Has these weird shaped corridors 00:42:00.180 --> 00:42:02.400 Right, and I'm not picking on the doors 00:42:02.510 --> 00:42:04.180 In this one, that's not what I'm getting at 00:42:04.240 --> 00:42:06.920 That's just something, you go to Battlestar Galactica 00:42:07.060 --> 00:42:08.420 You go to all these shows 00:42:08.720 --> 00:42:10.680 Babylon 5, they just put the weirdest 00:42:11.060 --> 00:42:12.180 Shaped damn doors 00:42:12.390 --> 00:42:13.740 To make it look spacey 00:42:14.100 --> 00:42:16.100 It makes sense if your alien race 00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:18.200 Looks like a teepee 00:42:18.680 --> 00:42:23.940 right that maybe your doors would be kind of angular shaped like that because that's well i 00:42:23.940 --> 00:42:29.020 think it looks like there's an in in the daleks it looks like there is an engineering reason for 00:42:29.020 --> 00:42:32.980 the shape of those doors i agree and then i'm not i guess i'm not picking on their doors what i'm 00:42:33.080 --> 00:42:37.240 saying though is that normally i hate it when they put something stupidly impractical in a show 00:42:37.700 --> 00:42:42.960 from the design standpoint just because they think it looks cool and but in this they had one thing 00:42:43.120 --> 00:42:47.200 that every time I saw it, I thought, I really, really like that design. 00:42:47.560 --> 00:42:48.920 It's stupid, but I really like it. 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:53.820 And that was the rotating command console in the Dalek headquarters. 00:42:54.580 --> 00:42:57.940 The big sort of, I don't know whether it was a hexagon or whatever shape, 00:42:58.340 --> 00:43:01.880 like the old style clocks, and turned around for different displays. 00:43:02.460 --> 00:43:05.600 I thought, that is imaginative. 00:43:06.340 --> 00:43:10.780 And maybe it makes sense if you're a shorter creature and you're kind of looking up. 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:12.700 I'm not 100% sure there. 00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:20.820 but i but i liked it every time i saw it okay that's definitely different whether or not it 00:43:20.940 --> 00:43:25.220 has any practical value or you know the cords would get twisted up as you're running around 00:43:25.580 --> 00:43:30.760 anyway but i don't know if they had wireless technology back there but but but nonetheless 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:37.260 uh other than that yeah i kind of agree the design was generally they had lava lamps in it for 00:43:37.380 --> 00:43:42.720 goodness oh yeah well you gotta have lava lamps it's the 60s um and the tiles the tiles just 00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:49.500 they would they look awful i did have a hard time saying beautiful in the uh in the description 00:43:50.160 --> 00:43:55.480 i know the thals are supposed to be golden beautiful people they are very comical with 00:43:55.680 --> 00:44:04.400 plastic hair they are very comical in this um and and they the level of acting was just dire 00:44:05.120 --> 00:44:05.960 goodness me but 00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:09.720 yeah 00:44:10.740 --> 00:44:12.840 I know they might not have wanted to show up 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:13.720 the leads but 00:44:14.660 --> 00:44:15.100 yes 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:16.280 there's 00:44:19.060 --> 00:44:20.940 it's tough to act in that makeup 00:44:21.260 --> 00:44:21.660 that's all 00:44:23.180 --> 00:44:24.660 it's just tough to act in that makeup 00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:25.960 that must be what it is 00:44:28.180 --> 00:44:28.780 let's see 00:44:28.900 --> 00:44:29.620 what else have we got 00:44:30.540 --> 00:44:32.020 well there are a few plot differences 00:44:32.640 --> 00:44:33.680 and they're quite minor 00:44:33.700 --> 00:44:37.660 but I'm quite interested in them because obviously, as we've said, 00:44:37.660 --> 00:44:40.120 the plot follows it beat by beat. 00:44:40.170 --> 00:44:41.380 So why did they change them? 00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:45.020 So one thing is, and I think I'm right about this, 00:44:45.860 --> 00:44:52.560 in The Daleks, I don't think at any point the Daleks make as an aspiration 00:44:53.140 --> 00:44:56.380 that they want to leave their travel machines. 00:44:57.180 --> 00:44:58.560 Now, I may have missed something. 00:44:59.110 --> 00:45:02.580 I would have to re-watch it again because I watched the film afterwards, 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:08.680 almost after watching most of it but in the film they make at least two references 00:45:09.780 --> 00:45:18.640 to to that in in fairness it it's a reason for taking the anti-radiation drug so maybe that 00:45:18.900 --> 00:45:26.480 fixes something because then you know the whole point about the way they are that is at least as 00:45:26.520 --> 00:45:36.060 set up in the kind of post post genesis um history of scarrow is is to do with um being 00:45:36.160 --> 00:45:44.860 able to survive in a in an irradiated environment but i think that uh you kind of mentioned it 00:45:45.260 --> 00:45:50.500 earlier in the discussion i mean you know it's very hard to come to the daleks without thinking 00:45:50.560 --> 00:45:52.860 of the Daleks as they are now. 00:45:53.220 --> 00:45:56.040 So, you know, going back and looking at, say, 00:45:56.700 --> 00:45:58.800 Capaldi's Into the Dalek, where we get in there 00:45:59.600 --> 00:46:02.980 and, you know, these two are fused man, 00:46:03.900 --> 00:46:07.400 beast and machine sensory inputs. 00:46:07.950 --> 00:46:10.780 I don't think, even back into the Daleks 00:46:11.210 --> 00:46:13.800 in the original story, I think they were supposed 00:46:13.970 --> 00:46:18.320 to be little machines that a little mutated creature 00:46:18.340 --> 00:46:25.140 was sitting in and working controls i don't i don't think they were supposed to be wired into 00:46:25.340 --> 00:46:34.140 those machines quite as integrally as you know we know them to be now so you know getting into 00:46:34.140 --> 00:46:41.780 the dalek machine yes it's too small based on the size of the thing you got out i did put it's more 00:46:41.900 --> 00:46:48.300 it's more the aspirations the idea that they ever could i put that in my recap because it was 00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:55.980 kind of obvious about the whole aspiration to get out of the machine my recollection was that 00:46:56.260 --> 00:47:05.200 their aspiration was to get out of the city in the original series oh yes yes as opposed to 00:47:06.160 --> 00:47:10.640 hopping out of the machine you assume that they want to do that within their within their machines 00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:16.880 that provide all their life support and guns and all the rest but the life support being to protect 00:47:16.900 --> 00:47:21.920 them from the environment that they that they're trapped in so i mean i can i can see that as a 00:47:22.380 --> 00:47:29.680 an aspiration especially given the notion that the daleks think that they're pretty normal and that 00:47:29.780 --> 00:47:35.820 the thals are hideous mutations right i mean that's from the original daleks too as i recall 00:47:36.680 --> 00:47:42.180 so you know the daleks think we're just normal people sitting in these protective suits i can 00:47:42.200 --> 00:47:47.020 see thinking maybe you know once we get everything back under control we kill off all the others 00:47:47.660 --> 00:47:55.000 we can hop out and start having dances again and whatever but um i think but i don't recall 00:47:55.220 --> 00:48:01.060 it's explicit there is this nonsense of the of the having been they've mutated the styles of 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:08.360 they both used to look like the styles and they've mutated and circle the styles have mutated back 00:48:08.700 --> 00:48:15.560 somehow which is kind of you know the uh the stupid science dick does come out in force in 00:48:15.750 --> 00:48:23.340 certain but the form of the static electricity legs you know the two hands two legs that's 00:48:23.580 --> 00:48:30.460 obviously the most efficient form for survival so and clearly that's where we got i love that 00:48:30.700 --> 00:48:35.880 speech that i think that i think that's just the film um as far as i remember but i think that is 00:48:36.040 --> 00:48:42.240 yes i think that is um i think the thals didn't the thals think they were hideously mutated too 00:48:42.420 --> 00:48:46.900 or is i getting that from a twilight zone or something in the cereal weren't they embarrassed 00:48:47.020 --> 00:48:54.100 by what they look like no i don't i don't think so okay i i could be wrong there that's that's 00:48:54.400 --> 00:49:01.140 it's definitely the case the daleks refer to the thals as being mutations but um i i'm never quite 00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:11.100 sure whether the sals know what the daleks look like because in the earlier scenes it it there's 00:49:11.220 --> 00:49:16.000 nothing there's nothing in what they say that indicates that they have any sense of the daleks 00:49:16.020 --> 00:49:23.000 as being these kind of machine creatures and the the doctor and his companions don't really explain 00:49:23.180 --> 00:49:29.360 that at least on camera and then when the sals turn up they don't appear to be terribly surprised 00:49:29.380 --> 00:49:30.640 by what the Daleks look like. 00:49:30.640 --> 00:49:31.440 But then on the other hand, 00:49:31.560 --> 00:49:32.880 they're basically being exterminated. 00:49:33.140 --> 00:49:34.800 So they might think that takes priority. 00:49:34.860 --> 00:49:35.300 I don't know. 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:38.740 What do you think of the CO2 canister guns 00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:40.020 that the Daleks have? 00:49:40.780 --> 00:49:41.360 Oh, yeah. 00:49:42.160 --> 00:49:44.880 Again, I mean, comes back to partly design 00:49:45.580 --> 00:49:50.020 because the Dalek gun effect in the TV series 00:49:50.260 --> 00:49:54.180 is so clever and so iconic and also really cheap. 00:49:55.260 --> 00:49:57.160 And especially back in the Daleks, yeah. 00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:02.520 I think that the film was supposed to be flamethrowers 00:50:03.220 --> 00:50:05.580 rather than fire extinguishers. 00:50:06.220 --> 00:50:07.220 Apparently that was too dangerous. 00:50:07.980 --> 00:50:09.420 Yeah, who'd have thought it? 00:50:10.220 --> 00:50:13.340 But also apparently there was an element of, again, 00:50:13.380 --> 00:50:14.320 it being too horrific. 00:50:14.580 --> 00:50:16.420 So again, they're toning it down. 00:50:17.520 --> 00:50:22.760 So one way or another, it's the lack of imagination 00:50:22.780 --> 00:50:28.100 compared with the kind of namby-pamby version of the story. 00:50:30.380 --> 00:50:31.860 It's a massive downgrade. 00:50:32.020 --> 00:50:34.260 I mean, apparently there are other... 00:50:34.540 --> 00:50:37.760 Well, there's the kind of jar-opening attachment 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:41.080 that some of the Daleks have that is a bit rubbish. 00:50:42.380 --> 00:50:45.440 But there are other design differences within the Daleks, 00:50:45.540 --> 00:50:48.660 but they're not major design differences, I don't think, 00:50:48.720 --> 00:50:56.040 because apparently the Daleks in this film first appeared in the chase. 00:50:56.240 --> 00:50:56.980 In the chase, yeah. 00:50:57.520 --> 00:50:58.820 That was made after the film, 00:50:59.540 --> 00:51:03.620 but for which the BBC hired the props from the film. 00:51:04.250 --> 00:51:08.260 And then because their schedule was much faster, 00:51:08.980 --> 00:51:10.900 broadcast before the film got released in cinemas. 00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:13.920 Yeah, but you couldn't tell because they were black and white. 00:51:15.520 --> 00:51:18.120 Yeah, you certainly didn't get the colours. 00:51:18.460 --> 00:51:23.600 Do we know if those Daleks, the scenes with those Daleks survived from the missing episodes? 00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:26.040 I don't know the answer to that. 00:51:26.160 --> 00:51:26.780 The chase isn't entire, right? 00:51:27.240 --> 00:51:28.540 Or is the chase entirely there? 00:51:29.020 --> 00:51:29.220 No. 00:51:29.560 --> 00:51:29.660 No, no. 00:51:29.900 --> 00:51:31.540 No, is the chase entirely there? 00:51:31.540 --> 00:51:32.000 I don't know. 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:34.460 It's the Dalek master plan that's not. 00:51:34.980 --> 00:51:36.560 Dalek master plan is definitely not. 00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:38.140 No, the chase must exist. 00:51:38.420 --> 00:51:40.660 That's where Ian and Barbara leave, isn't it? 00:51:41.120 --> 00:51:41.940 Yes, it is. 00:51:42.260 --> 00:51:42.800 It exists. 00:51:44.020 --> 00:51:47.440 I mean, both serials, there are episodes that exist. 00:51:47.600 --> 00:51:50.680 I think probably with the chase, it's all of them. 00:51:51.160 --> 00:51:54.120 I think it is all of them now that you mention it. 00:51:54.260 --> 00:52:00.580 So I'd be interested to go back and watch that and figure out where those Daleks are in that story. 00:52:01.520 --> 00:52:10.400 I do think, you know, this does point out, yes, the Daleks are kind of meh in this, but the Daleks are kind of meh in the Daleks too. 00:52:11.020 --> 00:52:12.080 They're not very bright. 00:52:12.740 --> 00:52:19.120 They're, they're clearly, they're, you know, outside the city. 00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:21.600 They're no threat at all if they didn't have a nuclear bomb. 00:52:23.900 --> 00:52:30.040 And it is just all the changes that they've made over the years because the Daleks were popular. 00:52:30.660 --> 00:52:36.180 I really wish they'd never gotten off this planet, frankly. 00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:42.680 I mean, I know it's probably what made Doctor Who last, but I wish this had been the end of them. 00:52:42.720 --> 00:52:51.320 um i i i think that i think the reason that i had a poor view of this as a serial was because i was 00:52:51.380 --> 00:52:56.160 coming to it when i watched it on previous occasions as a as a thinking about it as a dalek 00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:05.020 story and you're right it's not a very good dalek story but the point we started with is that this 00:53:05.020 --> 00:53:12.680 is what launched dalek mania this is why the film is based on this story because the cinema goers 00:53:12.700 --> 00:53:19.400 going to the cinema from Dalek Mania and it's purely that concept and that you know that design 00:53:19.620 --> 00:53:25.540 seeing that that that's enough it does it doesn't have to be any better than that and then for there 00:53:25.540 --> 00:53:32.340 to be good sequels it does have to be better than that and for the for the Daleks to have any 00:53:32.560 --> 00:53:39.059 longevity they have to be brought back in stories that improve on it I think the Dalek invasion of 00:53:39.080 --> 00:53:45.540 Earth is an extremely good story and it is reason in itself why it was worth their leaving Scarrow 00:53:45.810 --> 00:53:52.380 and then obviously there are there are later stories such as Genesis that are that are also 00:53:52.840 --> 00:54:00.680 significantly better than than the Daleks as a Dalek story so I you've almost named all of them 00:54:01.080 --> 00:54:10.200 though almost that are better there are others um but mostly they're 21st century ones 00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:21.140 the the the thing is that i i think that this this story viewed as a dalek story is not 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:29.660 in in terms of dalek stories is not the best story but in order to appreciate why it had the 00:54:29.680 --> 00:54:34.600 impact it did you have to imagine a world where no one had ever seen a dalek well that's what 00:54:34.700 --> 00:54:45.820 happened when they took it to america and didn't fly did not fly uh so they don't they don't fly 00:54:45.980 --> 00:54:55.140 until uh remembrance of the daleks i believe i were sorry yeah they uh were planning on making 00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:56.800 I guess they'd purchased 00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:59.520 even though the stories didn't necessarily exist 00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:01.620 I'm not exactly sure the timeline here 00:55:01.740 --> 00:55:03.780 but they were planning on making this and two sequels 00:55:04.580 --> 00:55:05.060 to this story 00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:08.920 so obviously Dalek Invasion Earth 00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:10.520 is one of them 00:55:11.620 --> 00:55:14.320 and what would the other have been? 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:16.300 I don't know 00:55:16.500 --> 00:55:17.300 would it have been the chase? 00:55:17.740 --> 00:55:18.280 I don't know 00:55:18.520 --> 00:55:21.400 well the Dalek Master Plan must have come before the chase 00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:22.720 I don't 00:55:23.140 --> 00:55:25.540 I don't think it was the Dalek master plan. 00:55:26.240 --> 00:55:26.680 Didn't the... 00:55:27.050 --> 00:55:27.820 Oh, no, no, you're right. 00:55:27.980 --> 00:55:28.240 You're right. 00:55:28.240 --> 00:55:30.540 The Dalek master plan was Stephen and... 00:55:31.560 --> 00:55:35.180 Stephen and Froyo or Dodo or someone. 00:55:36.140 --> 00:55:38.560 Stephen is introduced in The Chase. 00:55:39.300 --> 00:55:39.700 That's his first... 00:55:39.720 --> 00:55:39.920 Twice. 00:55:40.680 --> 00:55:40.840 Twice. 00:55:41.080 --> 00:55:42.460 As a cowboy too, isn't he? 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:44.380 Well, that's... 00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:47.100 It depends whether you're talking about Peter Kervis or Stephen. 00:55:47.720 --> 00:55:50.100 He's the cowboy on the Empire State Building. 00:55:50.720 --> 00:55:50.960 Yes. 00:55:51.450 --> 00:55:52.360 But that's not Stephen. 00:55:53.040 --> 00:56:02.760 right right right um so if that was the plan why did i end it with the romans cliffhanger 00:56:03.260 --> 00:56:09.140 cliffhanger i really i know it's there to give roy castle more opportunity to show some of his 00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:20.520 brilliant comic genius um uh wow i i said that my brain just went i don't know i i that's not right 00:56:20.540 --> 00:56:22.580 is it? I mean, you have Roy Castle in it 00:56:22.740 --> 00:56:24.540 doing all the flipping... Who is 00:56:24.540 --> 00:56:26.520 Roy Castle? Why did he 00:56:26.660 --> 00:56:28.560 not bring his trumpet? That's what I want 00:56:28.640 --> 00:56:29.320 to know. Who is he? 00:56:30.560 --> 00:56:32.500 He should have ended it by playing 00:56:32.660 --> 00:56:34.000 record breakers on the trumpet. 00:56:35.300 --> 00:56:36.300 Who is Roy Castle? 00:56:36.940 --> 00:56:38.420 Yeah, is he a musician? I guess certain things 00:56:38.600 --> 00:56:39.220 haven't crossed the channel. 00:56:40.580 --> 00:56:41.840 We had a show 00:56:43.780 --> 00:56:44.180 which 00:56:45.080 --> 00:56:46.560 featured people every week 00:56:47.040 --> 00:56:48.200 trying to break 00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:50.300 very silly records. 00:56:51.020 --> 00:56:55.980 for the most number of people to stand in a yogurt pot or something. 00:56:57.060 --> 00:56:57.220 Okay. 00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:02.520 They obviously had to come up with records to break each week. 00:57:03.900 --> 00:57:06.000 Roy Castle presented it, 00:57:06.600 --> 00:57:11.820 and that's pretty much the main thing that he is famous for. 00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:12.860 Is that before this? 00:57:13.620 --> 00:57:14.500 No, it'd be after. 00:57:15.100 --> 00:57:16.040 After this, okay. 00:57:16.640 --> 00:57:17.140 Yeah, yeah. 00:57:17.700 --> 00:57:21.520 I mean, he'd done some other acting in this kind of thing. 00:57:21.660 --> 00:57:23.500 But he could play, he always played the trumpet. 00:57:24.540 --> 00:57:26.800 He played the theme tune to Record Breakers. 00:57:28.120 --> 00:57:28.680 It was great. 00:57:28.950 --> 00:57:29.320 It was great. 00:57:29.560 --> 00:57:31.580 He was very good at it. 00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:33.080 The trumpet or hosting. 00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:36.560 No, yeah, the whole, you know, 00:57:36.660 --> 00:57:40.300 he's a very kind of entertaining personality. 00:57:41.100 --> 00:57:42.860 I just think he was poorly served 00:57:43.160 --> 00:57:44.720 by what he was given to do here. 00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:50.480 it was not necessarily who I would have cast in the role of Ian. 00:57:50.650 --> 00:57:52.040 I mean, the question arises, 00:57:52.490 --> 00:57:55.080 why on earth didn't they cast William Russell 00:57:55.580 --> 00:57:57.460 and then William Hartnell? 00:57:57.700 --> 00:58:00.960 I mean, apparently Hartnell was really, really pissed off 00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:04.500 that they made a film with someone else playing his role, 00:58:05.080 --> 00:58:07.360 as I think I can fully understand. 00:58:07.780 --> 00:58:11.760 I, yeah, I can kind of see that. 00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:19.560 although you know you are creating hartnell had done dozens of of films at this point yeah no i 00:58:19.900 --> 00:58:24.340 didn't think he was i didn't mean you know in any way that he was not capable of doing the job or 00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:28.920 anything of that sort it's just like i can understand why the producers want to make it as 00:58:29.300 --> 00:58:37.760 clean as they can while still capitalizing on what they can and uh again you take it overseas 00:58:37.780 --> 00:58:40.960 I mean, Peter Cushing has done such good work. 00:58:41.200 --> 00:58:43.380 He's so good. 00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:44.860 And he's awful in this. 00:58:45.040 --> 00:58:46.100 He's just dire. 00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:48.360 It's not good. 00:58:49.300 --> 00:58:49.860 It isn't good. 00:58:50.080 --> 00:58:51.060 And I agree. 00:58:51.060 --> 00:58:51.900 I love Peter Cushing. 00:58:52.500 --> 00:58:54.700 I've seen Peter Cushing even in roles. 00:58:55.160 --> 00:58:59.960 I wouldn't say exactly like this, but I've seen Peter Cushing in roles a little bit like this. 00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:01.860 And he's perfectly good at it. 00:59:01.860 --> 00:59:03.320 But this one is just way over the top. 00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:04.700 And he can do dark as well. 00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:05.520 I mean, that's the thing. 00:59:06.340 --> 00:59:06.480 Yeah. 00:59:07.020 --> 00:59:07.140 Yeah. 00:59:07.700 --> 00:59:11.080 So, I don't know. 00:59:11.260 --> 00:59:13.340 But I guess where I would have ended it, 00:59:13.460 --> 00:59:18.040 I think that if I were doing this, 00:59:19.040 --> 00:59:23.420 I would have either had them step out in the backyard of the house, 00:59:24.240 --> 00:59:29.580 or I would have not shown what was outside the door when he opened it. 00:59:30.080 --> 00:59:31.960 Just open the door and fade out. 00:59:33.160 --> 00:59:37.400 Because if they knew they were going to be making another Dalek story as the sequel, 00:59:37.520 --> 00:59:39.300 which apparently they did 00:59:39.890 --> 00:59:41.400 that they were making Dalek movies 00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:44.820 why throw this red herring 00:59:45.340 --> 00:59:46.780 that's never going to come to fruition 00:59:47.680 --> 00:59:47.900 out there 00:59:48.120 --> 00:59:49.400 okay it's a cliffhanger 00:59:49.600 --> 00:59:51.560 it's a cliffhanger we're not going to see the end of 00:59:51.560 --> 00:59:53.600 and I know Stephen Moffat loves to do that 00:59:53.620 --> 00:59:55.440 I'm sure that in the next episode 00:59:55.770 --> 00:59:56.940 the first thing they're going to say is 00:59:57.700 --> 01:00:00.520 thank goodness we got away from those Roman soldiers 01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:01.760 ha ha 01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:02.980 but still 01:00:03.520 --> 01:00:06.360 you cannot blame Stephen Moffat for this film 01:00:06.560 --> 01:00:12.340 I am not blaming Stephen Moffat for this film, but I can see that maybe that's where he got the idea from. 01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:17.100 He did something quite nice with this film. 01:00:17.300 --> 01:00:20.720 I mean, if you're going to acknowledge the existence of the film. 01:00:21.060 --> 01:00:23.640 Are you saying that he created the new Paradigm Daleks? 01:00:24.520 --> 01:00:25.080 No, no. 01:00:25.740 --> 01:00:29.920 I wonder if they were inspired by the lurid Daleks in this. 01:00:30.460 --> 01:00:38.900 in the novelization of day of the doctor moffat has uh kate stewart explained to clara that the 01:00:39.080 --> 01:00:45.440 peter cushing doctor who movies were based on the doctor's exploits and that peter cushing was 01:00:45.700 --> 01:00:52.440 actually a friend of the doctor to whom he lent a coat so i think if you're going to have this kind 01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:57.760 of parallel non-canon thing it's quite a neat little explanation for it although it is going 01:00:57.780 --> 01:01:04.620 to get somewhat circular at some point because the film does credit terry nation and terry nation 01:01:04.620 --> 01:01:10.680 obviously did write for a tv series of doctor who but um maybe no worse than in remembrance of the 01:01:10.820 --> 01:01:17.660 daleks when the continuity announcer comes on the telly well perhaps the uh perhaps it's uh 01:01:18.180 --> 01:01:24.140 you know instead of in the real doctor who universe perhaps the writers of the film were 01:01:24.160 --> 01:01:29.560 inspired by ian and barbara telling their tales because they would have been part of both of them 01:01:29.740 --> 01:01:34.180 so you know maybe they're the writers maybe maybe barbara did that she seems like a writer 01:01:35.420 --> 01:01:38.300 yeah well no it would have been it would have been it would have been peter cushing 01:01:39.040 --> 01:01:43.280 telling telling i guess it could have been peter cushing yeah what his mate the doctor had been 01:01:43.420 --> 01:01:51.140 up to so then well yeah huh makes you wonder which doctor was his friend because it might 01:01:51.160 --> 01:01:51.840 not be Hartnell. 01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:55.100 Well, who would have suited the coat 01:01:55.660 --> 01:01:56.400 that he was wearing? 01:01:56.620 --> 01:01:58.140 It's more of a Pertwee, isn't it? 01:01:59.180 --> 01:02:00.060 Isn't it a velvety? 01:02:01.200 --> 01:02:03.020 That's kind of quite Hartnell 01:02:03.190 --> 01:02:04.140 stroke McGann, isn't it? 01:02:04.680 --> 01:02:05.280 Maybe it's McGann. 01:02:07.020 --> 01:02:07.600 That's kind of funny. 01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:09.540 Pity we haven't got to... 01:02:09.540 --> 01:02:10.620 I have to read the novelization. 01:02:11.260 --> 01:02:11.380 Yeah. 01:02:13.799 --> 01:02:15.380 I don't know that I have anything else. 01:02:15.780 --> 01:02:17.240 I mean, I have the threat 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:19.360 to hang over that we are going to look 01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:20.780 at the Dalek Invasion film. 01:02:23.980 --> 01:02:29.540 which you know i'm sure gets the entire group back together for more adventures 01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:36.480 in space and time filmed only one year later yeah i mean obviously all the same actors will 01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:41.300 be available for that clearly of course they will if they could have that ending they could 01:02:41.300 --> 01:02:47.260 have set it up opening the doors of the of the tardis onto the the burnt out city that would 01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:51.540 have been quite see they could have done that or they were going to do the sequel you you could 01:02:51.540 --> 01:02:58.380 have made it their backyard burnt out yeah you step out in their yard and then and like it's a 01:02:58.500 --> 01:03:03.080 ruin i can't remember what their yard looked like and i only watched the film two days ago well but 01:03:03.180 --> 01:03:07.280 you would have at the end of the film when they step back out you would have recognized the same 01:03:07.420 --> 01:03:13.300 location if they just overgrown and put some crumbled walls around it or something and then 01:03:13.540 --> 01:03:17.960 end of the film there um but then it would have just looked like they'd had a house fire it 01:03:18.040 --> 01:03:22.600 wouldn't have had the same could have been the blitz wouldn't have had the same drama i i well 01:03:22.780 --> 01:03:30.900 yeah but i what if the blitz is ian climbing the wall so it's drama but yeah the the point is it's 01:03:31.020 --> 01:03:37.740 doctor who you have to end on a cliffhanger every episode ends on a cliffhanger it's it's just as 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:45.760 you say the difference is in the tv serials they always lead into the next serial whereas here it 01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:50.740 it doesn't it doesn't go anywhere you know they missed something they missed something important 01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:58.700 i say this with only a hint of flippancy roy castles ian when he saw the romans should have 01:03:58.700 --> 01:04:03.300 run back into the tardis and instead of trying to climb the walls he should have leapt into the 01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:11.940 doctor's arms like scooby-doo and shaggy or or or laurel and hardy or something that that that 01:04:13.020 --> 01:04:19.440 that would have fit the ending of this film more more certainly yes it's certainly it's that's 01:04:19.670 --> 01:04:26.080 pretty much the characterization they were going for with ian yeah uh got nothing else 01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:31.560 on this unless uh unless you've got something no i'm i'm done with it 01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:38.540 this will be your christmas viewing from now on every year christmas the two films back to back 01:04:39.160 --> 01:04:41.140 no that that's it i don't ever have to watch it again 01:04:44.820 --> 01:04:50.940 well thank you for joining me it's a pleasure as always and listeners i do hope you'll join 01:04:50.960 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