WEBVTT 00:00:00.020 --> 00:00:02.320 Fusion Patrol is a listener-supported podcast. 00:00:03.220 --> 00:00:08.300 Find out how you can help support us at patreon.com slash fusion patrol. 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:20.460 This is the Fusion Patrol podcast. 00:00:21.340 --> 00:00:25.280 Each week, we look at a different science fiction TV episode or movie 00:00:25.840 --> 00:00:29.280 and overanalyze it to within an inch of its life. 00:00:31.260 --> 00:00:32.500 Welcome to the discussion. 00:00:36.900 --> 00:00:41.100 Hello and welcome to another episode of Fusion Patrol. I'm Eugene. 00:00:41.680 --> 00:00:42.440 And I'm Simon. 00:00:43.340 --> 00:00:50.100 And tonight we're going to be looking at the Doctor Who episode Orphan 55 by Ed Heim. 00:00:50.700 --> 00:00:51.980 Episode Synopsis. 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:56.800 Graham wins an all-inclusive vacation at Tranquility Spa. 00:00:57.540 --> 00:01:03.500 Unfortunately, the vacation begins before they can adequately prepare, as they are immediately teleported from the TARDIS to the spa. 00:01:04.440 --> 00:01:11.860 Seemingly unconcerned by being isolated from the TARDIS and with only the clothes on their back, the gang immediately split up to enjoy the amenities. 00:01:12.620 --> 00:01:16.160 I'll accept the doctor, who pokes around, looking for trouble. 00:01:16.700 --> 00:01:23.900 In the spa control facility, Kane and Vorm are dealing with both a virus incursion into the spa systems and a breach. 00:01:24.580 --> 00:01:26.480 An alien life form has entered the spa. 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:33.120 Yaz meets Benny and Vilma, an elderly couple, and intrudes on their special moment as Benny is about to propose, 00:01:33.880 --> 00:01:37.460 signifying that one or both of them are dead meat walking. 00:01:38.420 --> 00:01:42.760 Ryan finds trouble almost immediately when a vending machine gives him a hopper virus. 00:01:43.630 --> 00:01:49.380 The doctor cures this by pulling his ear and having him sneeze in a plastic bag, then sucking his thumb, 00:01:49.940 --> 00:01:53.520 a virus remedy that every Microsoft Windows administrator knows by rote. 00:01:54.220 --> 00:02:00.700 While Ryan is recovering, he meets and rather successfully chats up Bella, another guest at the resort. 00:02:01.820 --> 00:02:06.680 With a creature on the loose, the guests are asked to come to muster stations, disguised as a drill. 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:12.760 But when Ryan sees a security guard with a gun, he and Bella follow to find out what's happening. 00:02:13.320 --> 00:02:16.100 The doctor has found the control room, hidden in a linen closet. 00:02:16.700 --> 00:02:21.300 She quickly deduces that not only has a virus been attacking all the systems, including the now inoperable teleport, 00:02:21.620 --> 00:02:23.780 but that something has gotten in and is killing the guests. 00:02:24.200 --> 00:02:26.000 She redirects all the guests to the linen closet, 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:28.340 at least all that are alive or bother to listen. 00:02:28.780 --> 00:02:32.020 Amongst those that fail to listen, Ryan and Bella. 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:34.240 The doctor repairs the ionic barrier, 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:37.540 a biological filter that forces the creature known as a dreg, 00:02:37.920 --> 00:02:38.840 back out of the spa. 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:40.980 With the creature expunged, 00:02:41.020 --> 00:02:44.160 it is now revealed that this spa is a vacation location. 00:02:44.880 --> 00:02:47.160 A walled-in simulation of a vacation, 00:02:47.440 --> 00:02:49.759 typically located conveniently in cities 00:02:49.780 --> 00:02:52.100 so that people don't have to travel to an exotic spa. 00:02:52.550 --> 00:02:53.540 But this one is different. 00:02:53.940 --> 00:02:57.540 It's built off world on a planet known as Orphan 55. 00:02:58.300 --> 00:03:02.560 Orphan planets are worlds where the one percenters are able to escape their dying world, 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:03.660 leaving behind the others. 00:03:04.420 --> 00:03:08.460 One might even call them the dregs of humanity to die. 00:03:08.920 --> 00:03:12.340 Somehow on Orphan 55, life has survived. 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:16.680 Benny has somehow gotten outside and Vilma pleads that they go get him. 00:03:17.260 --> 00:03:22.360 Cain reluctantly agrees, and everyone left piles in the van and heads out across the wastelands. 00:03:22.610 --> 00:03:26.120 But when it becomes apparent that the dregs have him, Cain wants to turn back. 00:03:26.660 --> 00:03:28.360 Vilma pays her to continue on. 00:03:28.750 --> 00:03:31.600 The dregs lay a trap, and the vehicle is destroyed. 00:03:32.260 --> 00:03:35.660 Casualties start to mount up as they make their way to an access tunnel. 00:03:36.440 --> 00:03:39.960 They reach a teleport, but then Bella throws a metaphorical bombshell. 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:44.620 She's the saboteur that unleashed the virus because she has mommy issues. 00:03:45.160 --> 00:03:52.320 You see, Kane unknowingly is Bella's absent mother, and Bella is disproportionately upset about this. 00:03:52.780 --> 00:03:56.320 In fact, she's here to burn the place to the ground in a fit of pique. 00:03:56.960 --> 00:04:03.000 She is about to be killed by a dreg when Ryan rescues her by pushing her and himself into the teleport, returning to the spa. 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:08.580 Alas, there's no more power to use the teleport again, and the others must continue the tunnels on foot. 00:04:09.020 --> 00:04:16.640 At the base, Bella reveals she's not just got metaphorical bombshells, she's got real ones too, and goes about planting them. 00:04:17.200 --> 00:04:18.560 Sort of with Ryan's help? 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:21.660 Certainly, Ryan puts up little or no resistance. 00:04:22.420 --> 00:04:29.900 In the tunnels, the Doctor discovers they are on the planet Ravlox, sometimes called Earth, and it's been destroyed by global warming. 00:04:30.540 --> 00:04:49.300 This greatly distresses Yaz and Graham, but what can you do except demand accountability and action from your elected officials and or overthrow the capitalistic system which exploits people and resources, generating a filthy rich class of elites who can afford to abandon their world, leaving the poor behind in the thoughtlessly ravaged world that their own apathy perpetuated? 00:04:50.060 --> 00:04:56.040 The Doctor runs out of oxygen because, just like I've been saying for years, she talks too much. 00:04:56.560 --> 00:05:00.700 But she's able to refill from the dregs because they oxygenate. 00:05:01.400 --> 00:05:04.420 Cain appears to sacrifice herself to save the Doctor. 00:05:04.960 --> 00:05:07.540 Finally, back at the control room, the Doctor hatches a bit of a plan. 00:05:07.940 --> 00:05:12.520 Nevi and Silas, two characters I haven't bothered to mention up to this point because they've been mostly superfluous, 00:05:12.820 --> 00:05:18.620 are to fix the teleport, but Silas, Nevi's son, runs into the danger area in a fit of pique 00:05:18.750 --> 00:05:25.000 because he's mad at his dad. Does anyone else think that writer Ed Heim is mad at one of his 00:05:25.190 --> 00:05:29.500 parents because they don't believe in anthropogenic global warming and wrote this episode in a fit of 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:35.160 pique? Apart from the fact that Silas is actually the brains of the pair, they also need cerilium 00:05:35.290 --> 00:05:40.140 four to power the teleport, and they only have cerilium two. Now, I know what you're thinking. 00:05:40.580 --> 00:05:43.600 Why not just add two ceruleum threes and subtract two? 00:05:43.610 --> 00:05:45.280 But apparently you can't do that. 00:05:45.490 --> 00:05:49.540 But you can take a hypervirus, conveniently stored in a plastic bag in the doctor's pocket, 00:05:49.900 --> 00:05:53.200 and infect ceruleum three, transmuting it into ceruleum four, 00:05:53.340 --> 00:05:57.480 because apparently that's how computer viruses and particle physics do. 00:05:58.820 --> 00:06:03.880 There's some running about, rescuing the boy, setting off bombs, getting the teleport working. 00:06:04.740 --> 00:06:08.760 There's a surprise moment when Bella sacrifices herself to save the others, 00:06:08.840 --> 00:06:14.340 And then Kane shows up to sacrifice herself again to help Bella sacrifice herself. 00:06:14.880 --> 00:06:20.960 And they all escape back to the TARDIS for a downer lecture from the Doctor about the Earth's future being a choose-your-own-adventure book. 00:06:21.320 --> 00:06:23.120 And it's not too late to pick the right choices. 00:06:23.500 --> 00:06:27.520 Otherwise, humanity will turn into a race of vicious, carnivorous, CO2-breathing, cruel monsters. 00:06:28.620 --> 00:06:29.280 The end. 00:06:29.860 --> 00:06:30.060 Okay. 00:06:30.860 --> 00:06:31.480 Orphan 55. 00:06:32.300 --> 00:06:33.340 What did you think of this story? 00:06:33.760 --> 00:06:40.760 Well, I like this one better than Spyfall because it was an hour and 10 minutes shorter than Spyfall. 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:44.000 Okay. 00:06:46.220 --> 00:06:46.600 All right. 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:47.060 Fair enough. 00:06:47.320 --> 00:07:04.940 I actually, I will say, as I was watching it, I was just enjoying a good old-fashioned base under siege and trying to ignore some of the shorthand scaffolding that was taking place along the way that didn't really help much. 00:07:05.180 --> 00:07:07.799 But I did enjoy it more than Spyfall. 00:07:09.020 --> 00:07:11.800 I did not enjoy it more than Skyfall, which I actually quite enjoyed. 00:07:12.620 --> 00:07:13.820 Yes, I concur on that. 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:19.720 I mean, I think in fairness, there's the fact that also the Doctor didn't use anyone's skin colour against them in this episode. 00:07:19.890 --> 00:07:21.040 That has to count as a plus. 00:07:22.190 --> 00:07:32.680 And there probably is a decent or, you know, an average base under siege story struggling to get out from. 00:07:33.780 --> 00:07:41.420 The thing that really weighed this down for me again was the direction from Lee Haven Jones, which just was dire. 00:07:42.340 --> 00:07:53.180 I think it's quite important that he isn't allowed to direct any more science fiction or at least anything with special effects in it. 00:07:53.860 --> 00:08:08.240 Because the shots with the shots, I know that you do a lot of work when you're watching science fiction, particularly low budget science fiction, because you have to suspend your disbelief to a certain extent. 00:08:09.020 --> 00:08:30.560 But the deal is the director has to make it look like when you've got a cutaway to a monster or whatever, that they might actually be round the corner and that it isn't in a completely different studio slash inside a CGI virtual world. 00:08:31.080 --> 00:08:38.500 okay i will say that in spy fall part two i remember your criticism of the direction 00:08:39.880 --> 00:08:45.780 and what i recall about the direction even having listened to your commentary about it 00:08:46.060 --> 00:08:51.920 was that it was just very much uninspired and as you say the actors didn't seem to really 00:08:52.300 --> 00:08:58.499 be giving in the performance no it was more about performances were the issue in that one 00:08:58.520 --> 00:09:05.420 this i didn't i didn't have as much of an issue i mean spy fall part two it felt like there were 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:12.000 some good performances i don't want to denigrate that same as the way but it felt like particularly 00:09:12.180 --> 00:09:16.980 because you had an episode where people were the the teams were split the doctor was split up from 00:09:17.040 --> 00:09:21.820 the companions the doctor had new companions they were in different time zones and so on 00:09:22.280 --> 00:09:28.480 and there was no tonal consistency to it whereas this one it was much it was much more to do with 00:09:28.500 --> 00:09:40.680 And I mean, maybe some of this is down to the editing, but there are still a lot of choices about what was filmed and what wasn't filmed that absolutely bemused me about this. 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:49.840 Could you give me some examples? Because when I watched it, my impression was just simply, again, it's just pedestrian. 00:09:50.660 --> 00:09:55.080 I didn't see anything. I don't recall anything that just glaringly made me go, ah! 00:09:55.920 --> 00:09:58.080 but I didn't see anything about it. 00:09:58.080 --> 00:09:59.420 I mean, it's not. 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:01.240 Let me give you some examples 00:10:01.520 --> 00:10:04.060 because it's the clunkiness of it. 00:10:04.560 --> 00:10:08.340 It's when initially Vaughn encounters the first dreg 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:09.600 and the dreg is around the corner 00:10:09.640 --> 00:10:11.820 and he's shooting around the corner. 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:15.740 And so we obviously don't see the dreg at that point. 00:10:16.380 --> 00:10:18.100 That's a reasonably effective strategy 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:19.940 for saving on your special effects budget 00:10:20.160 --> 00:10:22.280 because you're not having to do a combined shot. 00:10:23.140 --> 00:10:24.800 But then you get a shot of the dreg 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:31.700 in close-up and that's it you know there's no it doesn't look like it's around the corner it doesn't 00:10:31.740 --> 00:10:38.920 look it's not lit to look like it's around the corner it and and there's no okay i'll i'll i'll 00:10:39.020 --> 00:10:44.600 also say i had issue with that scene because with as much of the human being that you can see 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:50.240 crawling on the floor it it did seem impractical that you wouldn't see something of what dragged 00:10:50.260 --> 00:10:56.280 him away yes that makes sense it it's you know if it'd only been maybe his head and his arm or 00:10:56.380 --> 00:11:01.580 something like ah yeah something but no yeah there's a there's a very similar there's a very 00:11:01.700 --> 00:11:06.900 similar shot near the end where yas and ryan are planting the bomb and they're they're running down 00:11:06.900 --> 00:11:14.940 the corridor with the bomb and then you see the dreg again in close-up and you what you don't see 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:24.540 is Yaz and Ryan with the bomb and the dregs beyond them. Yaz and Ryan then run away, you get a shot, 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:30.060 a long shot with the dregs and the trolley with the bomb on it. And I don't understand the choices. 00:11:30.130 --> 00:11:38.220 I mean, maybe it was, maybe in that shot, the trolley that we were seeing was a computer 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:45.160 generated model of the trolley so they were they were saving on some sort of compositing shot um 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:51.780 but i don't know it really i'll just jump i'll just jump ahead for for one thing that i wanted 00:11:51.780 --> 00:11:58.800 to bring out since you've got that scene right in everybody's mind right now um yes and ryan are 00:11:59.040 --> 00:12:06.139 pushing a bomb down a corridor right they're heading somewhere and then suddenly they see 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:14.240 the dregs. And they leave the trolley and they run at just exactly as you describe it. We then 00:12:14.400 --> 00:12:20.400 immediately see a ton of dregs standing in front of a trolley with a bomb that has eight seconds 00:12:20.820 --> 00:12:28.220 left on its timer. That means Yaz and Ryan were pushing a bomb down a corridor with less than 20 00:12:28.540 --> 00:12:35.000 seconds on that timer with apparently nowhere in mind to go or to dispose of that bomb. 00:12:35.380 --> 00:12:43.400 Yes. Right. That did kind of I assume that was poor writing, but actually it's not writing. 00:12:43.580 --> 00:12:47.920 That's that's all about how it's realized. That's about what you're seeing on the screen. 00:12:48.680 --> 00:12:54.160 Well, partially. But I mean, you know, there is you were sure that the writer wrote, yes, 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:58.780 and writer pushing bomb and counter the dregs, leave the bomb. Bomb goes off. 00:13:00.100 --> 00:13:03.979 Yeah. But the issue with it is the timing. It wouldn't it wouldn't have been a problem if you 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:08.120 didn't have a shot with it being eight seconds left on the timer or whatever it is you don't 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:11.280 think that the you don't think that the writer might have put in the number of seconds on the 00:13:11.400 --> 00:13:17.380 timer i mean i seem to recall a film called goldfinger i'm thinking that was the writer 00:13:18.060 --> 00:13:23.220 you know with the with the bomb and the double seven seconds the bomb because it's so turns it 00:13:23.230 --> 00:13:28.580 off at double oh seven why eight why eight well i'm just i'm no i'm saying the connection is is 00:13:28.560 --> 00:13:36.920 that the writer probably wrote in that the bomb stops at 007 so i'm making a point that writers 00:13:37.180 --> 00:13:41.880 do sometimes put that kind of detail in the story oh the writer of goldfinger put that in 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:47.480 right so therefore ed heim might have put that in i don't know why but hang on the writer of 00:13:47.660 --> 00:13:51.900 goldfinger so but do you know the writer of goldfinger put that in i don't know that the 00:13:51.970 --> 00:13:57.300 writer of goldfinger that put that in but i think it's a high likelihood maybe not but i don't know 00:13:57.280 --> 00:14:01.760 that for a fact but supposing it was the writer there's a reason for the writer to do that 00:14:02.330 --> 00:14:06.840 yeah i mean there's equally a reason for anyone else who thinks it's a good joke to insert it so 00:14:07.160 --> 00:14:12.220 you know the director may have done that maybe the suggestion came from the design team i don't know 00:14:12.680 --> 00:14:17.940 the point here is when you're when you're just dealing with script on a page why why would you 00:14:18.040 --> 00:14:25.699 put in eight seconds what what you would put in is the action so ryan and yaz are and this is fine 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:31.240 Ryan and Yaz are trying to place the bomb wherever it is they're trying to place it. 00:14:31.580 --> 00:14:34.220 I'm not quite clear, but it probably doesn't need to be clear. 00:14:34.580 --> 00:14:38.280 It needs to do maximum damage to the dregs, yada, yada, yada. 00:14:40.359 --> 00:14:43.620 They haven't reached where they're going to put it, but the dregs come along. 00:14:43.980 --> 00:14:49.060 That's fine because they can leave it there and it will blow up the dregs there and then, and they run away. 00:14:49.180 --> 00:14:54.800 The issue is entirely to do with the timing and the kind of making sense of that sequence. 00:14:55.040 --> 00:15:06.560 And there are loads of sequences in this that don't make sense in a way that, as far as I can see, has entirely to do with the choice of shots that we've got here. 00:15:06.590 --> 00:15:09.280 So I don't think it comes from the script on the page. 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:10.160 It's possible. 00:15:10.780 --> 00:15:13.960 It's come about when this has been storyboarded. 00:15:14.520 --> 00:15:18.840 And, of course, those poor dregs, they're really just humans and intelligent, apparently. 00:15:19.050 --> 00:15:19.780 So they murdered them. 00:15:21.680 --> 00:15:22.120 Nasty. 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:22.440 Yeah. 00:15:22.580 --> 00:15:22.660 I. 00:15:26.300 --> 00:15:28.000 I come back to that. 00:15:28.990 --> 00:15:37.280 But there are other examples of instances where I don't understand the choice that was made. 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:43.460 So, for example, how did the trap that the dreg set for the vehicle actually work? 00:15:44.040 --> 00:15:45.020 I have no idea. 00:15:45.170 --> 00:15:48.920 How did they drive over something that obvious unless they were driving blind? 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:50.340 Yeah, yeah, that made no sense. 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:53.200 It's a really, really strange choice of shot. 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:58.140 There even appears to be some barbed wire there, but why is the barbed wire? 00:15:59.080 --> 00:15:59.900 Because it's a trap. 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:03.040 Because it's a trap? I don't know. 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:05.600 So they won't climb over it in their truck? 00:16:05.660 --> 00:16:07.000 It makes no sense whatsoever. 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:09.380 It doesn't make any sense. 00:16:09.800 --> 00:16:13.420 There are all the choices about when Benny isn't shown, 00:16:14.180 --> 00:16:16.220 which strike me as pretty weird, 00:16:16.380 --> 00:16:20.180 although I can see some of that might be to avoid terrifying the children. 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:23.460 But even then, it feels kind of clunky. 00:16:23.920 --> 00:16:29.720 There's the choice about when Cain is thrown by a dreg. 00:16:30.660 --> 00:16:34.740 I kind of get that we don't necessarily have the, 00:16:35.090 --> 00:16:36.820 maybe it's the budget, maybe it's the time 00:16:37.390 --> 00:16:40.980 to have a dreg actually interact with Cain. 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:43.200 That may be too complicated a shot. 00:16:43.700 --> 00:16:45.140 Couldn't we at least have seen her landing? 00:16:48.060 --> 00:16:51.160 Yeah, it's not good. 00:16:51.560 --> 00:16:52.040 It's not good. 00:16:53.060 --> 00:16:53.860 Let's take a look. 00:16:54.420 --> 00:16:55.660 No, I've got more. 00:16:56.580 --> 00:16:57.380 I've got one more. 00:16:57.490 --> 00:16:57.900 Okay, okay. 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:03.920 No, I'll pick one more because I thought it was kind of symptomatic 00:17:03.990 --> 00:17:08.240 of another type of problem in the episode to do with the clarity, 00:17:08.459 --> 00:17:11.160 which is as we get into the conclusion, 00:17:11.760 --> 00:17:16.959 there's all this big deal about how the dregs don't like oxygen 00:17:17.380 --> 00:17:23.920 and they do like co2 and you have two shots in counterpoint one where there's a dreg with yaz 00:17:24.980 --> 00:17:30.860 and she's grabbed a hose and fired a load of oxygen at the the dreg there's another where 00:17:30.900 --> 00:17:37.020 there's a dreg with the doctor and the doctor uh sorry the dreg has found a hose that's leaking co2 00:17:37.110 --> 00:17:42.700 and it's breathing it in happily except that well okay i don't remember that scene the effects are 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:48.980 pretty well it's not surprising how you're supposed to keep track of the fact that i mean 00:17:48.980 --> 00:17:54.740 you only get it from the from trying to figure out what the reaction is supposed to indicate 00:17:55.500 --> 00:18:00.860 but how are you supposed to know what co2 and what's oxygen couldn't we at least have had 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:05.040 different colored pipes or something and i i grant they do have an international design department 00:18:05.220 --> 00:18:15.560 standard it's galactic i hope oh well yeah well come to that too um yeah yeah it's it's anyway i 00:18:15.560 --> 00:18:19.760 didn't like there's a lot of it though it's not just the direction i think a lot of this is just 00:18:20.420 --> 00:18:25.400 for want of a better word half-assed um well that brings me on to the costumes 00:18:27.059 --> 00:18:33.140 okay they are they are kind of cheap green wig and a cat outfit with a tail you don't even really 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:40.260 hardly see even the doctor keep i think so i wanted to be balanced about this so i i have i 00:18:40.310 --> 00:18:45.640 have i have my various criticisms which are primarily those you've listed um but on the 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:51.680 other hand graham's cardigan is superb i didn't even see it i mean he's always wearing something 00:18:52.500 --> 00:18:58.339 that's where the budget went okay yeah okay yeah i i was surprised when i watched through the episode 00:18:58.800 --> 00:19:04.660 the second the first time every time the doctor kept saying nice tail to hyphen with a three 00:19:05.340 --> 00:19:11.820 which would you really i mean even i don't go up oh my name's eugene with an eu you know um 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:18.980 to people although i do have trouble in starbucks no in starbucks i do explain it to them or or or 00:19:19.100 --> 00:19:23.959 wherever and they still get it wrong but that's another story but the fact that hyphen always 00:19:23.980 --> 00:19:25.340 He says, my name's hyphen with a three. 00:19:27.040 --> 00:19:28.520 But the fact that Doctor, it was a nice tail. 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:31.300 And I thought, does that costume even have a tail? 00:19:31.500 --> 00:19:32.720 Do we ever even see the tail? 00:19:33.100 --> 00:19:34.880 And it is kind of in shot once. 00:19:35.380 --> 00:19:36.220 Kind of sticking up. 00:19:36.380 --> 00:19:41.280 But it's like, okay, if you're going to make a big deal about what a nice tail it is, 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:42.880 at least show it to the audience. 00:19:44.280 --> 00:19:44.440 Yeah. 00:19:44.800 --> 00:19:46.540 Let us get a good look at it. 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:49.860 Throw a couple green wigs on the other two people. 00:19:50.040 --> 00:19:51.820 And costuming is set. 00:19:55.060 --> 00:20:00.740 um stepping aside from that for a minute because like i said i kind of enjoyed just sort of the 00:20:01.060 --> 00:20:06.280 the running and exploding and stuff part of the episode and i kind of appreciated it being a base 00:20:06.330 --> 00:20:14.180 under siege but is this the single most heavy-handed episode of doctor who ever made it does kind of 00:20:14.320 --> 00:20:20.240 make the green death look subtle doesn't it well yes it does it does make the green and i was 00:20:20.180 --> 00:20:26.240 thinking you know you have stories like sunmakers which is absolutely over the top criticism of 00:20:26.580 --> 00:20:32.440 taxation and the inland revenue service and all and and but it's they don't have to take the time 00:20:32.620 --> 00:20:37.800 for the doctor to stand there and give you a speech about it that is my objection to it it's 00:20:38.440 --> 00:20:44.399 it's not it's not what's in the story it's the fact that we get to the end of the story 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:53.440 and then the doctor has to give a speech which it's like because she's obviously she's not 00:20:53.640 --> 00:21:00.640 talking to her companions any longer oh no giving a speech to us which then cuts again coming back 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:08.539 to the direction but then cuts really clunkily to that shot of a a dreg and it it's it's it's also 00:21:09.180 --> 00:21:13.820 So it doesn't even fit in the Doctor Who continuity 00:21:14.060 --> 00:21:18.040 because suddenly she's like, you know, okay, I'm not, 00:21:18.940 --> 00:21:22.940 no, I'm probably not going to pretend there is any Doctor Who continuity about. 00:21:23.140 --> 00:21:23.900 There is a bit. 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:28.620 Time cannot be rewritten, not one single second. 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:34.300 This is obviously a very specifically unfixed point in time. 00:21:34.840 --> 00:21:35.520 That must be it. 00:21:36.040 --> 00:21:42.200 it's a it's a special unfixed point in time it's got a bit loose you know we've we've talked about 00:21:42.330 --> 00:21:47.520 the in in a past sidecar years ago we talked about the fixed point in time and and the the 00:21:47.780 --> 00:21:53.540 aztecs and not one line can be rewritten and or the no vesuvius has to go off and all these people 00:21:53.660 --> 00:21:58.140 have to die because it's a fixed point in time the doctor has to be shot because that's a fixed 00:21:58.310 --> 00:22:04.019 point in time all of those things what makes them fixed point in times and and if you have a fixed 00:22:04.040 --> 00:22:10.760 point in time that's in, say, 95th century Earth, does that mean that nothing can change prior to 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:15.540 that fixed point in time? Because it's a fixed point in time. And we have seen... 00:22:15.540 --> 00:22:19.560 Well, no, the thing about fixed points in time seems to be that you can engineer things to make 00:22:19.560 --> 00:22:26.700 them happen if other things have thrown them off course. So as long as the events coalesce to 00:22:27.320 --> 00:22:30.720 result in whatever it is that is the fixed point, that's okay. 00:22:31.280 --> 00:22:39.600 But the broader history of the human race in Doctor Who, which has had its has had its changes, there's no doubts about it. 00:22:39.700 --> 00:22:44.840 But but generally speaking, we know that the Earth grows up. 00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:48.100 It colonizes the stars. 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:50.020 There are solar flares. 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:51.580 The planet is destroyed. 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:54.380 The planet is repopulated. 00:22:55.200 --> 00:23:00.760 The the colonies come back, you know, and humans are there at the end of existence. 00:23:00.760 --> 00:23:07.680 at utopia i thought they i thought they i thought they left earth again to go to new earth and they 00:23:07.820 --> 00:23:13.760 left earth to go to new earth as well right is it that earth is it earth in utopia is it old earth 00:23:13.760 --> 00:23:20.900 in utopia i'm not sure it's a darn good question but it is earth in um uh whatever the second 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:28.440 episode of christa eccleston new earth uh um no not sorry the end of the end of the end of 00:23:28.980 --> 00:23:29.800 the end of the world 00:23:29.870 --> 00:23:30.440 the end of the world 00:23:31.630 --> 00:23:32.220 yeah that was it 00:23:32.250 --> 00:23:32.840 the end of the world 00:23:35.120 --> 00:23:37.420 none of that involved the earth being destroyed 00:23:37.450 --> 00:23:39.140 and left by greedy capitalists 00:23:40.040 --> 00:23:41.480 a la Ben Elton's 00:23:41.800 --> 00:23:41.960 Stark 00:23:43.760 --> 00:23:43.940 story 00:23:44.840 --> 00:23:46.720 from all those years ago 00:23:47.090 --> 00:23:49.260 I was distinctly reminded of this 00:23:49.780 --> 00:23:50.680 but there's room 00:23:51.280 --> 00:23:52.520 given that the earth gets 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:54.520 repopulated 00:23:55.360 --> 00:23:57.080 after the solar flares or whatever 00:23:57.080 --> 00:24:14.240 There is room in Earth's history for it to maybe get toxified and then, as is evident from the plot of this episode, that it could be re-terraformed and repopulated before it gets destroyed in the end of the world. 00:24:14.500 --> 00:24:15.860 There is a gap in there for it to happen. 00:24:16.840 --> 00:24:19.040 How far in the future is this that this happened? 00:24:19.560 --> 00:24:31.640 Well, this is the thing. The speech at the end is saying the problem is, the thing that leads to this is your politicians right now not doing anything about it. I mean, the thing is, the thing is, right. 00:24:32.420 --> 00:24:35.400 And we're not disagreeing with anthropogenic global warming here. 00:24:35.820 --> 00:25:01.280 We are absolutely not. Nor am I saying it shouldn't be part of the story. I'm quite happy for the story to tell the tale of what happens when a race is as careless and as cavalier with the resources and generally just as dreadful as we all are. 00:25:01.580 --> 00:25:09.640 um what bugs me is that a speech like that at the end beating you about the head with it it does 00:25:09.860 --> 00:25:16.020 it does nothing for you or i who are already very much in sympathy with the central message because 00:25:16.780 --> 00:25:21.260 if we have been enjoying the story before we wouldn't really be enjoying the lecture 00:25:22.220 --> 00:25:31.300 i don't think it does anything for those who are set against the idea you know have a religious 00:25:31.320 --> 00:25:39.180 that global warming is a myth being perpetrated by an equally shady elite who just want to, 00:25:39.800 --> 00:25:47.860 well, I don't know, but anyway. And the floating voters in between, the probably vast majority of 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:53.340 agnostics, they're not going to be swayed by the speech either. They're going to be much more 00:25:53.510 --> 00:25:58.340 receptive to what's being told in the storyline. That's going to stay with them. That's perhaps 00:25:58.360 --> 00:26:04.340 going to be at the back of their minds when they hear people talking about global warming in the 00:26:04.340 --> 00:26:09.880 news or whatever but we don't need it right there at the end of the episode no no and if you can 00:26:09.940 --> 00:26:18.400 give an episode you can even have a ham-fisted message if you can deliver it in a way that the 00:26:18.780 --> 00:26:25.440 that the watcher comes to it even if you're guided to it and i'll give an example and i've probably 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:31.300 given this example before. A lot of times in talking about Star Trek, sometimes they'll say 00:26:31.330 --> 00:26:37.200 this is the bonk bonk on the head moment, because a lot of episodes about Star Trek were addressing 00:26:37.390 --> 00:26:43.400 issues. There's an episode I don't like. I never liked it as a kid. I just, it was boring. It wasn't 00:26:43.820 --> 00:26:48.580 interesting. It's called Let This Be Your Last Battlefield. I think, I'm sure we've talked about 00:26:48.700 --> 00:26:55.420 this, maybe with not necessarily with you, but maybe with Ben or in the past. But there are two 00:26:55.440 --> 00:27:00.080 aliens that encounter the crew of the Enterprise, and they have the dumbest makeup you've ever seen. 00:27:00.090 --> 00:27:00.980 They're two white guys. 00:27:01.790 --> 00:27:07.640 One of them is painted absolutely positively pale, pasty white, mime white on the left, 00:27:08.180 --> 00:27:12.780 and shoe black on the right with a line right down. 00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:15.120 I mean, it goes right down the center of the body. 00:27:15.360 --> 00:27:18.980 So completely left white, black and white. 00:27:20.020 --> 00:27:21.060 Pantomime black and white. 00:27:21.090 --> 00:27:24.720 Not like human black and white, but like comedy black and white. 00:27:25.380 --> 00:27:29.860 bad that you look at the makeup and you can see the cake on their face. I mean, it's bad. 00:27:30.310 --> 00:27:34.660 And then another one comes along and the two of them hate each other. And they're all talking 00:27:34.780 --> 00:27:40.780 about, oh, his kind are evil and they destroy things and I'm just for law and order. And you 00:27:40.810 --> 00:27:45.820 just, you listen to these guys and you think, God, this sounds a lot like political discourse 00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:50.620 between the cops and the hippies or whatever. And then suddenly when one of them says, well, 00:27:50.660 --> 00:27:57.820 his kind and they go what do you mean his kind you're both the same he goes what are you blind 00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:06.820 i am white on the right side he is black on the right side we're nothing alike and you're just 00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:15.159 like oh that is that is incredibly ham-fisted but but in retrospect you're watching the episode 00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:18.780 and you never got a hint of it until that moment. 00:28:18.970 --> 00:28:20.200 You just never noticed it. 00:28:20.540 --> 00:28:21.680 And suddenly it's like, 00:28:22.090 --> 00:28:23.720 oh, see, this is such a stupid difference. 00:28:23.980 --> 00:28:26.740 Gosh, racial inequality is a terrible thing 00:28:26.790 --> 00:28:28.100 and we shouldn't be judging people 00:28:28.300 --> 00:28:29.200 based on the color of their skin. 00:28:29.730 --> 00:28:33.820 But it actually, in a way, 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:36.260 as I get to be older and I watch that episode, 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:38.700 it kind of works because it slips up on you. 00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:41.080 The stupidity of it slips up on you. 00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:44.320 It has a dramatic purpose within the story, 00:28:44.900 --> 00:28:45.360 I think. 00:28:45.620 --> 00:28:45.740 Yeah. 00:28:46.020 --> 00:28:47.060 Is the key thing. 00:28:47.500 --> 00:28:52.200 I would also point at the Zygon inversion slash invasion and the speech in that. 00:28:52.300 --> 00:28:52.500 Yeah. 00:28:53.340 --> 00:28:53.520 Yes. 00:28:54.100 --> 00:28:54.220 Yes. 00:28:54.580 --> 00:28:59.440 There's a strong speech, but at least it works because it's needed in the story. 00:28:59.500 --> 00:28:59.720 Yes. 00:29:00.260 --> 00:29:00.380 Yes. 00:29:00.940 --> 00:29:01.020 Yeah. 00:29:01.660 --> 00:29:09.700 And, you know, my notes are in a terrible order, so I'm just going to kind of plunk them fast here and try not to make this a three hour podcast. 00:29:11.220 --> 00:29:12.420 This is Orphan 55. 00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:13.540 Yes. 00:29:13.560 --> 00:29:25.540 Does that mean that we went on, colonized other planets, expanded into the stars, destroyed 54 planets before they finally got around to wiping out Earth? 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:29.460 That does rather suggest that it is sometime in the future, actually. 00:29:31.560 --> 00:29:32.680 So that was one. 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:47.160 And like I said, it reminds me of the film, not the film because I've never seen it, but the book Stark by Ben Elton, where the rich people are secretly building a base on the moon because they know the earth is done for ecologically. 00:29:47.800 --> 00:29:50.620 And so rather than try to fix it, they spend their money to get away. 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:53.200 Yeah, I think it's very similar. 00:29:54.620 --> 00:29:55.380 It's not a film. 00:29:55.520 --> 00:29:56.160 It's a TV series. 00:29:56.270 --> 00:29:57.200 It has John Neville in it. 00:29:57.860 --> 00:29:58.260 Oh, OK. 00:29:58.720 --> 00:29:59.960 OK, I haven't seen that, but I've read the book. 00:30:00.060 --> 00:30:00.460 I've got the book. 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:02.720 The Dregs. 00:30:03.100 --> 00:30:03.800 The dregs. 00:30:04.100 --> 00:30:05.280 Name's a bit on the point, isn't it? 00:30:05.280 --> 00:30:06.480 I mean the dregs, yes, sorry. 00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:08.880 The dregs of humanity. 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:17.280 Are they mutated humans or are they the evolved descendants of humans? 00:30:18.260 --> 00:30:19.780 They're the evolved descendants of humans. 00:30:19.940 --> 00:30:24.040 I'm sure that the doctor refers to, I don't quite know how she works it out, 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:25.860 but they're having to have these generations, 00:30:26.540 --> 00:30:28.400 which does make you wonder how they procreate, 00:30:29.040 --> 00:30:32.540 because they're not wearing any clothes and they don't appear to have the right equipment. 00:30:33.020 --> 00:30:41.920 And you wonder how they eat because they're the apex predator and there are thousands of them out there. 00:30:42.540 --> 00:30:45.080 And that's not the way apex predators work. 00:30:45.500 --> 00:30:50.700 I want to say it's something like a ratio of one to 100 predators to prey animals. 00:30:52.180 --> 00:30:55.480 So either it's a thriving planet or it's not. 00:30:56.020 --> 00:30:57.760 And are they intelligent? 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:01.320 Well, this is the problem. 00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:06.400 You mentioned the ethics of murdering them all, 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:10.820 and this is the problem with having the doctor read their minds, 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.220 because clearly the fact that they are generations away 00:31:14.620 --> 00:31:17.120 from the memories they have in their mind 00:31:17.340 --> 00:31:22.840 must mean they have some way of reading about their culture, 00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:26.680 passing on the stories, understanding that information, 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:30.479 and therefore they must be capable of civilization 00:31:30.500 --> 00:31:36.120 and redemption and yet all that anyone does in this episode is trying to kill them 00:31:37.800 --> 00:31:43.940 and they're clearly better than humans because they're stronger and they can adapt and you know 00:31:44.080 --> 00:31:48.700 so you'd think they would start building rocket ships and go after the capitalists that abandon 00:31:48.750 --> 00:31:56.799 them um but i yeah i couldn't get my head around exactly what i was supposed to think because 00:31:57.380 --> 00:32:03.960 the doctor does make that bargain with a dreg to swap places in the cage but at the same time the 00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:10.340 way the doctor says it yeah but the way the doctor says it is i hope he understands what i'm saying 00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:17.980 okay so is he intelligent or are you just hoping he's intuiting that i i don't know i don't know 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:23.899 if only she could have suggested that uh he makes some sort of reaction i don't know perhaps 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:25.040 Oh, there's a thought. 00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:31.500 Agitating his head up and down in some kind of signal of affirmation, if he understands. 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:33.400 Yes, there we go. 00:32:33.660 --> 00:32:35.440 They could have tried something like that. 00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.820 And also, it's just one of those things. 00:32:40.900 --> 00:32:46.200 Could a creature adapt an evolved creature, a highly evolved creature? 00:32:47.540 --> 00:32:54.060 I'm not talking about a bacteria, but something switched from oxygen to CO2. 00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:55.660 Yeah. 00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:57.160 Life cycle. 00:32:57.300 --> 00:33:06.080 That seems like, if not, I won't say impossible, because quite a lot of amazing things can be done with evolution. 00:33:06.900 --> 00:33:10.660 But it would seem like it would take a really, really, really long time. 00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:22.480 Between it breathing oxygen on the doctor and the doctor reading its thoughts, it did occur to me that it might be an evolved tree, which I would have quite liked. 00:33:22.530 --> 00:33:33.280 But I'm not sure that trees evolving lungs and teeth would be any more plausible than humans evolving the ability to breathe in CO2. 00:33:33.330 --> 00:33:35.420 The forest of Chim in the end of the world. 00:33:36.100 --> 00:33:36.780 Indeed, yes. 00:33:37.300 --> 00:33:41.400 It reminded me of that very thing, although it seemed a little bit... 00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:42.920 I thought that's where we were going. 00:33:43.510 --> 00:33:44.080 I really did. 00:33:44.080 --> 00:33:45.160 I thought that's where we were going, 00:33:45.490 --> 00:33:46.820 the point when the doctor said, 00:33:47.220 --> 00:33:48.020 they're like angry tree, 00:33:48.900 --> 00:33:52.860 because we had seen trees on the surface as well, 00:33:53.120 --> 00:33:54.100 which made no sense. 00:33:55.420 --> 00:33:57.240 But I guess they just couldn't find a filming location 00:33:57.460 --> 00:33:58.540 without trees completely. 00:34:00.040 --> 00:34:01.240 Yeah, that was my assumption. 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:05.580 So I thought that was going to be mankind's gone and dead 00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:07.100 and the trees now are mad. 00:34:07.700 --> 00:34:13.240 okay fair enough fair enough they have right to be mad so i would if i would if i was a tree and 00:34:13.419 --> 00:34:19.240 some humans had done that to me i'd be trying to eat them i would yeah absolutely absolutely 00:34:19.399 --> 00:34:25.720 you got to get your nutrients somewhere what yeah you know uh i just want to point out that there are 00:34:25.820 --> 00:34:32.980 two sets of characters in here we haven't talked about bell and kane yet uh that the child has been 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:40.379 wronged by the parent and gets really busy about it and that the story you like so much and what 00:34:40.379 --> 00:34:45.120 i recall not liking so much they take you away also bed at time was about a parent who was an 00:34:45.460 --> 00:34:53.100 absolute monster to his child yeah seems to be a bit of a theme here um which is and and and 00:34:55.240 --> 00:35:01.020 this this i i have i have to say the the writing in this it did not thrill me in the way that 00:35:01.160 --> 00:35:08.680 they take you away did i i've kind of slated the direction where you were criticizing the writer 00:35:08.940 --> 00:35:14.880 but that doesn't mean that all of the writing is exemplary i mean there were some good lines 00:35:15.460 --> 00:35:21.460 but i have to say i particularly liked when uh kane kane told the doctor she couldn't make an 00:35:21.620 --> 00:35:26.140 ionic barrier out of from scratch she said if i had crayons and half a can of spam i could build 00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:31.000 you from scratch which is now my new favorite insult just need an opportunity to use that one 00:35:33.060 --> 00:35:43.440 I will say that skipping ahead here in my notes, that Ed Heim has, although I did not, as I recall, in retrospect, I don't like They Take You Away. 00:35:43.970 --> 00:35:51.640 As I recall at the time, it was half-assed and I was more offended by the parent and that I didn't like it. 00:35:51.740 --> 00:35:54.680 But, you know, looking back on it, I was like, yeah, no, I didn't like that one. 00:35:55.080 --> 00:36:00.360 And I probably will look back on this one and go, yeah, you know, not particularly very good here. 00:36:00.700 --> 00:36:15.800 But if nothing else, Ed Heim is my hero from this point on, because you talk too much has got to be the most important thing anyone has ever said to the doctor since David Tennant. 00:36:16.340 --> 00:36:16.520 Yes. 00:36:17.140 --> 00:36:23.340 Because that's when it started and it's just gotten worse and it's not getting better. 00:36:23.900 --> 00:36:26.640 And doggone, take that to heart, doctor. 00:36:27.740 --> 00:36:28.860 Stop babbling. 00:36:30.560 --> 00:36:40.800 The Doctor Talking Self-Out of Artigen was on my short list of things that I really did love about this episode, along with the Hopper virus and the... 00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:43.140 Oh, please. You liked the Hopper virus. 00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:43.980 Oh, yeah. 00:36:45.310 --> 00:36:50.040 I liked the Hopper virus as a comic gag at the beginning. 00:36:50.110 --> 00:36:56.860 I wasn't quite so taken with the idea that it happened to be what you need to get Cerulean 4 from Cerulean 3. 00:36:59.580 --> 00:37:01.600 I, yeah, no. 00:37:02.500 --> 00:37:07.300 I also really like the Siberian underground station sign for Marble Arch. 00:37:07.900 --> 00:37:08.780 Yeah, yeah. 00:37:09.860 --> 00:37:17.700 So me on the virus, I would not have a problem with the concept of the virus. 00:37:17.890 --> 00:37:26.900 I would not even have a problem with a concept of a virus that far enough in the future could make the jump between machine and biological machine. 00:37:27.580 --> 00:37:30.100 I could tick off the box and say, all right, fine. 00:37:30.200 --> 00:37:31.060 I can accept that one. 00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:40.260 But here I'm going to tug your ear, sneeze in a bag, suck your thumb and run around and remember that those bats are hallucinatory. 00:37:41.420 --> 00:37:42.920 No, just no. 00:37:44.500 --> 00:37:45.940 Comic relief for two year olds. 00:37:46.540 --> 00:37:47.920 And maybe three. 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:48.780 Yeah, that's why I like it. 00:37:48.780 --> 00:37:49.360 Maybe three year olds. 00:37:50.740 --> 00:37:55.820 It's kind of like, it's like the doctor shaking the radiation out of his converse or. 00:37:56.140 --> 00:37:56.960 Didn't like that. 00:37:57.060 --> 00:38:00.760 Or the business with the chocolate in the unicorn and the wasp. 00:38:01.660 --> 00:38:01.980 Oh, yeah. 00:38:02.140 --> 00:38:02.480 No, no. 00:38:02.620 --> 00:38:03.740 Didn't really like that one either. 00:38:04.420 --> 00:38:06.480 You know, I'm not crazy about the doctor's... 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:08.000 You're getting a sense of my level here. 00:38:08.640 --> 00:38:13.120 The respiratory bypass system, which should have saved the doctor, which makes no sense 00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:18.400 either, because the doctor can survive without air for a lot longer than we can. 00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:20.400 That's been firmly established. 00:38:21.220 --> 00:38:21.860 I'd forgotten that. 00:38:22.100 --> 00:38:25.180 Except I never understood how respiratory bypass system works. 00:38:25.820 --> 00:38:27.080 Well, you... 00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:28.820 Breathe through something else? 00:38:31.020 --> 00:38:31.440 So anyway. 00:38:32.630 --> 00:38:32.740 Yeah. 00:38:33.620 --> 00:38:34.300 I don't know. 00:38:34.370 --> 00:38:37.600 But yeah, the Doctor is the last person that should have run out of oxygen. 00:38:38.410 --> 00:38:39.540 Even talking too much. 00:38:40.460 --> 00:38:41.360 They should have been fine. 00:38:42.180 --> 00:38:45.100 Still worth it for the talking yourself out of it, Gabe. 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:45.720 Yes. 00:38:46.200 --> 00:38:46.340 Yes. 00:38:46.660 --> 00:38:47.200 That I will. 00:38:47.420 --> 00:38:47.720 I will. 00:38:47.750 --> 00:38:47.840 Good. 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:50.600 Let's see. 00:38:50.820 --> 00:38:54.400 I can skip the teleport problems with them getting in and out of the TARDIS. 00:38:55.460 --> 00:39:03.240 And obviously, part of the lazy, lazy writing, I mean, for crying out loud, Benny is like, I'm pulling out the ring. 00:39:03.380 --> 00:39:03.980 I'm going to show you. 00:39:04.040 --> 00:39:04.860 No, I'm putting the ring away. 00:39:05.020 --> 00:39:06.040 It's like, wow. 00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:11.360 I've never seen anyone who's been painted with your dead better than that ever. 00:39:12.780 --> 00:39:14.160 And Vilma deserved to die. 00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:15.020 Yeah. 00:39:15.580 --> 00:39:17.700 She definitely, you gotta go after my Benny. 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:18.040 Sounds harsh. 00:39:18.860 --> 00:39:18.980 But. 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:19.820 It does. 00:39:20.220 --> 00:39:20.860 Probably earlier. 00:39:21.980 --> 00:39:26.700 You know, the fact that she couldn't work cotton on to the fact that he's dead. 00:39:27.020 --> 00:39:28.660 I mean, he may be alive, but he's dead. 00:39:29.700 --> 00:39:31.220 There is no getting out of that. 00:39:32.219 --> 00:39:33.540 And there's a scene. 00:39:33.660 --> 00:39:34.720 She'll say she's just a bit annoying. 00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:40.640 There's a scene where she, you know, Vilma wants to take it. 00:39:40.700 --> 00:39:42.860 The doctor is like, no, Cain, you have to take us. 00:39:42.940 --> 00:39:43.960 We got to do this thing. 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:44.460 And Cain's like. 00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:47.080 And driving along. 00:39:47.460 --> 00:39:52.000 And then the doctor is babbling about her theories. 00:39:52.490 --> 00:39:57.080 And she finally realizes that they're heading into a nest or something. 00:39:57.160 --> 00:40:00.260 It wasn't a nest, but they're heading into their territory. 00:40:00.630 --> 00:40:05.220 And suddenly the doctor sounds like she's frightened, like it's a bad idea. 00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:08.000 And you're just driving into it. 00:40:08.040 --> 00:40:13.820 I'm like, Cain is driving into it because you and Vilma forced her to drive into it. 00:40:14.220 --> 00:40:16.020 Now suddenly you think it's a bad idea? 00:40:16.820 --> 00:40:23.400 The way it was played, I don't get what the doctor is trying to say. 00:40:24.100 --> 00:40:25.460 Are you trying to say, turn back? 00:40:26.540 --> 00:40:27.700 So that didn't make any sense. 00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:29.660 No, it didn't. 00:40:30.120 --> 00:40:30.580 It didn't. 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:37.480 And because I thought the Laura Fraser was very good as Kane in general. 00:40:38.020 --> 00:40:41.140 I found her quite a believable character. 00:40:41.560 --> 00:40:50.960 But there's a conflict there in her motivation because you want to know whether she believes what she says. 00:40:52.560 --> 00:41:04.140 Obviously, she's running a cut price holiday resort in order to try and raise the cash to terraform the planet, yada, yada, yada. 00:41:04.710 --> 00:41:09.200 And, you know, that in itself is not a bad thing. 00:41:09.940 --> 00:41:13.240 The question is whether she is compromising the safety. 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:15.900 And she appears to believe that she's not. 00:41:16.120 --> 00:41:18.100 So there are good qualities to her. 00:41:18.260 --> 00:41:21.940 She is very clear. 00:41:22.340 --> 00:41:32.420 She's very good at instructing people, explaining to them how to use the oxygen thing, saying, yes, we're going to do this. 00:41:32.500 --> 00:41:34.140 No, we're not going to do this. 00:41:35.040 --> 00:41:40.800 And so when she says, we're not going to go any further, you think, okay, she is actually looking 00:41:40.980 --> 00:41:46.100 out for the people that she is responsible for. And then you get that thing of Velma throws the 00:41:46.660 --> 00:41:52.040 bracelet on the floor that is going to pay for all this terraforming or whatever. And I don't get 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:58.059 what goes through her head at that point. I don't either. Because I think the doctor is still... 00:41:58.080 --> 00:42:03.820 Yeah. I don't, I, no, I, I, I don't see what the doctor is thinking. I don't see what, 00:42:04.130 --> 00:42:07.260 I don't see why Kane makes the choice that she does at that point. 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:12.000 Well, the doctor is still arguing in favor of, we have to go save him because he's a person. We 00:42:12.010 --> 00:42:16.900 need to save the person. Vilma's doing it. Well, okay, then if, you know, take the money, 00:42:17.580 --> 00:42:23.500 you know, it's a twofer there. You're doing the right thing and you're making a fortune. So, 00:42:24.520 --> 00:42:28.000 but you know, why did they take everybody in the van in the first place? 00:42:28.520 --> 00:42:33.120 I was just going to ask that because I, I wandered that all the way. And again, 00:42:34.020 --> 00:42:37.520 surely in the direction, couldn't we get some kind of indication? 00:42:39.300 --> 00:42:43.120 I wasn't even clear when they went in the van that that was everyone who was left 00:42:43.700 --> 00:42:50.260 in the hotel. I rewatched it and it, it is actually, it is everyone in the hotel and it, 00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:54.020 And it is, there is, the doctor says, I'm going to go and assemble everyone. 00:42:55.080 --> 00:43:02.460 So it's there, but there's nothing to signal to us the significance of that. 00:43:02.780 --> 00:43:06.160 And in particular, I still don't know why she said that. 00:43:06.380 --> 00:43:08.320 Why did she say, I'm going to go and assemble everyone? 00:43:08.720 --> 00:43:13.960 Why didn't they decide that they were going to, three of them go out and rescue Benny? 00:43:14.100 --> 00:43:17.560 Because there's no advantage to them all being there. 00:43:18.740 --> 00:43:24.900 no because apparently the base is safe again so it's yeah it didn't make a whole lot of sense 00:43:25.420 --> 00:43:31.040 and also to your direction point there is a scene where we're watching the display where all the 00:43:31.180 --> 00:43:37.780 life forms are being killed yeah right the numbers going down do the math because in the next shot 00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:47.200 we see that many people on the teleport pad just before the screen goes out like wait if you had 00:43:47.220 --> 00:43:52.040 those people no one was paying any attention to the details of what we're actually seeing as an 00:43:52.260 --> 00:43:57.400 audience yeah so you add those people up and then you take those people plus the doctor and kane and 00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:02.860 vorm and and ryan and kaz and whatnot and you go there's more people here than are alive in the 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:11.280 base right now but okay um that was careless that was just careless but yeah uh the other thing is 00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:20.320 take away the dregs take away the dregs uh is is uh kane's plan a bad idea is it is it a bad idea 00:44:20.350 --> 00:44:25.940 to have a vacation place on a dead planet if it were truly a dead planet if it was a safe 00:44:26.640 --> 00:44:32.900 and and terraforming that's what i'm saying the the bad the bad thing is doing it in a way that's 00:44:33.040 --> 00:44:38.080 unsafe and so that's why that's why it matters whether she believes that what she is doing 00:44:38.080 --> 00:44:42.460 is actually compromising everyone's health and safety to make a quick buck, 00:44:43.220 --> 00:44:49.960 or whether she is genuinely convinced that she's taken every possible precaution and that this is 00:44:50.210 --> 00:44:55.960 a legitimate enterprise. And another problem that I have with the performances, and it's Jodie 00:44:56.300 --> 00:45:04.080 Whitaker's performance, is when she realizes that she says something to the effect of, 00:45:04.220 --> 00:45:08.480 you take the money you roll a profit you turn it into you terraform the planet and you make 00:45:08.640 --> 00:45:13.180 a nice tidy profit i can't tell if she's criticizing her or she's admiring her 00:45:14.340 --> 00:45:18.720 for that i got that statement i got the sense that it was supposed to be a criticism but i 00:45:18.900 --> 00:45:24.900 didn't understand why it was a criticism right the words were not a criticism exactly they were 00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:31.500 like good move wow you you know okay fine you make habitable place and then you you okay so 00:45:31.520 --> 00:45:36.820 you get paid for that all right it's like unless you're just absolutely anti-capitalist and say you 00:45:36.900 --> 00:45:42.940 can't make money for anything which maybe the doctor is but yeah maybe maybe maybe the writer 00:45:43.080 --> 00:45:47.900 is but i don't i don't i mean there's obviously there is a there is a political message and it's 00:45:48.020 --> 00:45:53.800 not unconnected with um capitalism in here but it that that doesn't necessarily mean that it's an 00:45:53.960 --> 00:46:00.860 all-out condemnation of capitalism there's a lazy reading of it by the director maybe that 00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:08.800 every line should be delivered as a as a critique so but i don't know if we if we're talking about 00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:17.620 performances i want i want to talk about the fam okay i mean just on yaz and ryan i'm going to 00:46:18.120 --> 00:46:23.380 accept that there is something going on there although it seems to me more like yaz is into 00:46:23.740 --> 00:46:28.440 ryan yeah the other way around or maybe that's deliberately meant to be different this week but 00:46:28.660 --> 00:46:34.780 given that we don't really know what the director's intending i'll put that one on hold um yep the 00:46:34.860 --> 00:46:40.200 thing that's worrying me a bit is that graham is turning into a caricature of himself i kind of 00:46:40.210 --> 00:46:46.700 thought in spyfall he he was he was bradley walsh was in variety performance mode and i kind of 00:46:47.540 --> 00:46:54.440 it's the bank holiday special all right i mean i wasn't that excited about his soft shoe shuffle 00:46:54.460 --> 00:47:01.180 stuff but fair enough he's showing what he can do but in this it's all getting come on graham's 00:47:01.180 --> 00:47:08.280 graham's son and call blimey right on me nut feel the lump on me bonce yeah i i didn't get that last 00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:14.740 year last year graham was an actual character and bradley walsh was acting he was doing dramatic 00:47:15.120 --> 00:47:22.220 acting and and i found i found his performances right from the opening and the woman who fell to 00:47:22.160 --> 00:47:31.560 actually quite moving and also in in they take you away so i don't i don't know what's going on 00:47:31.700 --> 00:47:37.220 here we know he's capable of better than this but either he's being written material that just 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:44.720 doesn't give him anything or he's being directed in a very superficial way but it he was one of my 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:53.700 favorite characters in the team and my enthusiasm for the fam has just sort of dribbled away because 00:47:53.940 --> 00:47:59.560 there's nothing going on anymore there's nothing to them at all yeah they're just well there has 00:47:59.700 --> 00:48:05.700 been but but last year it felt like there was i mean as we've talked about the the development 00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:11.680 ryan got we've talked about the fact that yas maybe didn't even though you know we we like the 00:48:11.620 --> 00:48:17.460 character and we liked the performance and i i thought the the kind of whole graham storyline 00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:24.880 and the bradley walsh powerhouse performance in it was fantastic so i i want to see more of that 00:48:25.120 --> 00:48:30.560 but if they're just going to tread water it's not going to satisfy me in the same way 00:48:31.300 --> 00:48:36.940 i mean i i i get where you're coming from and i didn't think that there really was much going on 00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:37.740 with those characters. 00:48:38.050 --> 00:48:39.120 They were just kind of there, 00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:40.560 all of them in this. 00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:42.600 Brian got maybe the lion's share 00:48:42.870 --> 00:48:43.500 and even there, 00:48:43.500 --> 00:48:44.140 I didn't understand 00:48:44.210 --> 00:48:44.800 what he was doing. 00:48:47.300 --> 00:48:49.620 I would frankly prefer 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.800 to see Graham doing his, 00:48:53.580 --> 00:48:53.880 you know, 00:48:53.950 --> 00:48:55.280 oh, I got to get my Speedos 00:48:55.520 --> 00:48:58.860 and all the stupid lines like that, 00:48:59.940 --> 00:49:01.880 which are basically bad dad jokes, 00:49:03.040 --> 00:49:04.340 then tugging ears 00:49:04.390 --> 00:49:05.400 and vomiting viruses 00:49:05.530 --> 00:49:06.500 in plastic bags. 00:49:06.860 --> 00:49:11.100 But, you know, choose your humor where you get it. 00:49:11.300 --> 00:49:11.880 But I agree. 00:49:12.620 --> 00:49:14.140 I don't object to the humor per se. 00:49:14.140 --> 00:49:14.540 There's a certification. 00:49:14.560 --> 00:49:16.100 It's just if that's all there is to him. 00:49:16.680 --> 00:49:16.860 Yeah. 00:49:17.420 --> 00:49:17.560 Yeah. 00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:21.680 So what about, we can talk about Ryan and Bella. 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:24.780 Obviously, Bella is nuts. 00:49:27.060 --> 00:49:31.960 Bella didn't convince me the motivation there. 00:49:32.240 --> 00:49:35.440 I mean, you say she's disproportionate to being abandoned by her mom. 00:49:35.580 --> 00:49:38.420 I kind of think, well, actually, I don't know. 00:49:38.420 --> 00:49:43.680 I mean, being abandoned by your mum, you're going to have quite a response to that. 00:49:43.900 --> 00:49:54.520 The thing is, she's obviously, the way in which she is reacting to that is the action of someone who is deeply, deeply unstable. 00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:56.840 And yet... 00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:59.580 That would be a definition of disproportionate, wouldn't it? 00:50:00.060 --> 00:50:01.320 The reaction is disproportionate. 00:50:01.340 --> 00:50:02.220 The reaction is disproportionate. 00:50:02.220 --> 00:50:03.120 Yes, that's what I meant. 00:50:03.120 --> 00:50:04.260 You said she was disproportionately upset. 00:50:05.100 --> 00:50:07.880 I think she's justified in being upset. 00:50:08.160 --> 00:50:10.500 She's just not justified in how she acts on it. 00:50:11.420 --> 00:50:13.680 But also when you are upset, 00:50:14.500 --> 00:50:18.300 can you behave in a way that is as functional 00:50:18.620 --> 00:50:20.420 and as stable as she does 00:50:20.620 --> 00:50:24.120 when she is deceiving everyone at the start? 00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:26.780 That she shouldn't take enough precautions 00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:28.520 to keep herself from getting her own virus. 00:50:29.720 --> 00:50:30.220 Yeah. 00:50:31.940 --> 00:50:33.780 Or that in itself is a deception, 00:50:34.080 --> 00:50:36.680 which is part of the whole premeditated thing, 00:50:36.780 --> 00:50:42.080 which just doesn't chime with the kind of uncontrolled rage 00:50:42.260 --> 00:50:45.120 that she's supposed to be feeling when she's talking about 00:50:45.220 --> 00:50:46.620 just doing everything to the ground. 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:47.520 Yeah. 00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:51.440 And then when Ryan goes with her, 00:50:53.420 --> 00:50:56.360 yes, he makes that one half-hearted attempt to go for the gun, 00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:00.560 but that just wouldn't have been any problem stopping her. 00:51:01.100 --> 00:51:02.140 Well, you've got to show it. 00:51:02.240 --> 00:51:04.480 You've got to show how he's having a problem stopping her. 00:51:04.560 --> 00:51:06.500 So you've got to direct her. 00:51:07.040 --> 00:51:09.380 Well, but them in a way that. 00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:11.520 I mean, clearly she doesn't have the gun on him all the time. 00:51:12.180 --> 00:51:13.940 Yeah, well, but she could have. 00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:19.180 If there was more power to her character, 00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:22.180 if the performance indicated that 00:51:22.520 --> 00:51:26.640 and we saw every second that not just that the gun was pointing 00:51:26.780 --> 00:51:28.040 at least in his general direction, 00:51:28.540 --> 00:51:32.200 but that her trigger finger was that twitchy 00:51:32.240 --> 00:51:37.240 he wouldn't go or that she had that much of a hold on ryan that he was that he was in some way 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:42.520 enamored of her in such a way that maybe he's you know taking up to the wrong side of the equation 00:51:42.640 --> 00:51:48.320 here but he makes he makes no little or no verbal argument that this is wrong that this this is not 00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:56.440 what i expect from a companion of the doctor i expect them to to at least put up the the fight 00:51:56.600 --> 00:52:02.180 that if if not the physical fight and at least the verbal fight a little yeah very little she's 00:52:02.200 --> 00:52:04.000 Either with me or I'll say, all right, fine, whatever. 00:52:05.640 --> 00:52:08.360 I guess, you know, it just. 00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:09.340 But I agree. 00:52:09.380 --> 00:52:09.660 It's not clear. 00:52:09.660 --> 00:52:10.780 When the gun was on the floor. 00:52:10.780 --> 00:52:15.200 It's not clear what he is thinking when he isn't acting to stop her. 00:52:15.540 --> 00:52:19.340 And as you say, it could be because he is taken with her, 00:52:20.180 --> 00:52:22.780 because obviously that's, you know, that's part of the storyline. 00:52:23.460 --> 00:52:28.400 So is that the reason why he lets her carry on like she does? 00:52:28.640 --> 00:52:30.600 Or is it because he is frightened for his own sake? 00:52:31.580 --> 00:52:33.560 I do not know. I couldn't make sense. 00:52:34.020 --> 00:52:35.700 And I mean, maybe this is direction. 00:52:36.560 --> 00:52:38.200 Maybe we can come back and we can pick on the direction. 00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:40.880 But the scene where he does sort of try to go for the gun, 00:52:42.080 --> 00:52:44.280 she is working in the computer. 00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:48.280 She has set the gun down on the floor next to Ryan's feet. 00:52:49.180 --> 00:52:52.720 And Ryan telegraphs looking at the gun 00:52:53.460 --> 00:52:55.480 and then sort of bending a little bit towards it. 00:52:55.560 --> 00:52:58.520 And then she just like quickly stops him from doing it. 00:52:59.020 --> 00:53:06.960 I'm thinking that the way that's positioned, Ryan putting a foot on that gun and pushing her would have solved that problem. 00:53:07.660 --> 00:53:07.720 Right. 00:53:07.790 --> 00:53:12.900 I mean, it's just literally so absurd the way that that scene plays out. 00:53:13.050 --> 00:53:20.140 It looks like Ryan is like, yeah, I'm just doing this to be kind of, you know, like to pretend like I'm trying to, you know, I should probably. 00:53:20.140 --> 00:53:21.020 But that doesn't make sense. 00:53:21.060 --> 00:53:21.620 Stop it. 00:53:21.650 --> 00:53:22.180 That doesn't make sense. 00:53:22.260 --> 00:53:23.460 Who's he pretending to? 00:53:24.580 --> 00:53:25.460 I know. 00:53:26.600 --> 00:53:26.900 Exactly. 00:53:26.950 --> 00:53:28.080 It doesn't make any sense. 00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:30.400 But if later it turned out. 00:53:30.530 --> 00:53:31.100 So again, it's basic stuff. 00:53:31.270 --> 00:53:34.340 We want to know what the character's motivations are. 00:53:34.830 --> 00:53:36.280 And it's not clear to us. 00:53:38.380 --> 00:53:45.440 And it is to do with the way it is staged and the way it's shot. 00:53:45.560 --> 00:53:47.820 I mean, it couldn't be more basic. 00:53:48.600 --> 00:53:53.320 And so just to keep with the Bella is a disproportionate response. 00:53:53.780 --> 00:53:54.640 Let's call it that then. 00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:56.980 Disproportionate response to her hurt. 00:53:57.640 --> 00:53:58.820 That's what I was going for. 00:53:58.980 --> 00:54:01.020 Not that she's truly upset. 00:54:01.220 --> 00:54:07.500 When I said that, I was thinking in terms of the actions of her upset were disproportionate to... 00:54:07.700 --> 00:54:10.800 I agree killing everyone is disproportionate. 00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:13.620 Although I think she said she was trying not to kill everyone. 00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:16.720 I think she said that, but I don't know if that's true. 00:54:17.859 --> 00:54:18.220 Silas. 00:54:18.860 --> 00:54:20.920 Dad, you got to have a pass key to work on it. 00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:22.340 Listen, I'm doing my work here. 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:23.440 You never listen to me. 00:54:23.660 --> 00:54:27.960 And I'm now going to run out where the dregs are and lock you guys in. 00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:30.960 Am I really supposed to believe that kid's that stupid? 00:54:31.700 --> 00:54:32.060 Upset? 00:54:32.680 --> 00:54:33.500 Comes out of nothing. 00:54:34.100 --> 00:54:34.760 Comes out of nothing. 00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:35.560 Yeah. 00:54:36.080 --> 00:54:45.980 Because all the rest of it, he's given a performance that indicates that he knows more than his dad acknowledges that he knows. 00:54:46.620 --> 00:54:50.280 But he's kind of like, you know, dad, you know. 00:54:51.240 --> 00:54:52.300 He'll correct him. 00:54:53.100 --> 00:55:00.020 But he doesn't seem to mind about it until that critical moment when it actually has a consequence. 00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:03.740 And then he does what shouldn't be done. 00:55:05.020 --> 00:55:09.880 The last thing I have on my list is, it's a trivial point, but I'm just going to bring it out anyway. 00:55:11.020 --> 00:55:11.660 Russian subway. 00:55:12.300 --> 00:55:13.060 I can buy that. 00:55:13.560 --> 00:55:18.980 I mean, I can buy them getting into the tunnels and finding a Russian subway sign and going, oh, this is Earth. 00:55:19.700 --> 00:55:21.340 Maybe it's because of Ravlox. 00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:22.620 Yeah, it's Marble Arch. 00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:29.120 maybe i can you know okay i it's it's stolen right out of planet of the apes or beneath the 00:55:29.210 --> 00:55:37.840 planet of the apes it was the made in china vending machine does not make any sense are 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:43.440 they trying to say that either kane found a vending machine on the ruins of the planet 00:55:43.700 --> 00:55:52.620 and refurbished it to be a vending machine at her vacation spa actually or that that things 00:55:52.640 --> 00:55:58.360 made in china were taken off world or that they've built a new china somewhere and they're still 00:55:58.580 --> 00:56:04.780 making cheap stuff in it no because yaz yaz says it's been there all the time but it she does say 00:56:04.780 --> 00:56:10.460 that but yes doesn't know that it's not a hotel that's been preserved in a dome while the rest of 00:56:10.460 --> 00:56:16.040 the planet devolves it's a hotel that has been built in a dome that is protect to protect it 00:56:16.040 --> 00:56:22.600 from everything else on the planet the hotel is a new hotel why would they have a vending machine 00:56:22.620 --> 00:56:23.960 they found outside in the rubble. 00:56:24.600 --> 00:56:25.120 Half-assed. 00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:27.020 That's what it is. 00:56:27.020 --> 00:56:28.900 So finding something in the tunnel, fine. 00:56:29.340 --> 00:56:29.860 Find it, yeah. 00:56:30.520 --> 00:56:33.180 Also, would it say made in China in English, 00:56:33.860 --> 00:56:34.580 not Siberian? 00:56:35.120 --> 00:56:35.720 Good point. 00:56:36.160 --> 00:56:36.620 Good point. 00:56:37.620 --> 00:56:38.740 That's only just occurred to me, 00:56:38.860 --> 00:56:39.420 but if we're picking. 00:56:40.680 --> 00:56:40.840 Yeah. 00:56:41.640 --> 00:56:41.740 Yeah. 00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:45.580 All level of things. 00:56:46.020 --> 00:56:46.220 All right. 00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:49.320 I don't see anything else on my list 00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:50.680 of miscellaneous stuff. 00:56:51.560 --> 00:56:53.920 I kind of actually like the idea of the vacation. 00:56:54.700 --> 00:56:55.660 You mean you want to go on one? 00:56:56.060 --> 00:56:58.520 Because I'm pretty sure they're basically center parks, aren't they? 00:56:59.040 --> 00:57:00.400 Do you have those in Arizona? 00:57:01.500 --> 00:57:01.600 No. 00:57:02.900 --> 00:57:03.780 Describe what it is. 00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:04.540 I've never heard the term. 00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:09.700 Well, I've never been to one, but my understanding is it's sort of holiday inside a dome. 00:57:10.780 --> 00:57:13.320 You know, entirely sort of self-contained. 00:57:14.020 --> 00:57:14.760 Everything's in there. 00:57:15.460 --> 00:57:17.900 The only dome we've got in Arizona is a biosphere, too. 00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:19.700 And that's, you know. 00:57:20.260 --> 00:57:20.660 Parkland. 00:57:21.500 --> 00:57:28.880 hotel i don't know i don't know i've seen brochures i'm guessing you know if you a lot of times what 00:57:29.080 --> 00:57:33.580 people do on vacations is they go to the spa and they stay there at the spa even though it's at 00:57:33.720 --> 00:57:40.900 some beautiful exotic location and they don't actually go outside the hotel in fact the hotels 00:57:40.930 --> 00:57:46.920 are designed to keep you there to spend more money even in the all-inclusive ones they they 00:57:46.940 --> 00:57:51.960 still have their way of doing that it yeah it's just i'm like well it's not a bad idea 00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:59.740 but they're kind of treating it like it is in the story like it's like it's putting it on this 00:57:59.940 --> 00:58:06.880 planet maybe perhaps a kind of holiday snobbery kind of could be like whether you're whether 00:58:06.940 --> 00:58:12.200 you're a proper traveler or whether you're just a tourist or whether you're whether you're visiting 00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:14.320 the real Orphan 55 00:58:14.520 --> 00:58:16.840 and whether you're just going to the tourist spots. 00:58:17.520 --> 00:58:19.000 Yes, that could be. 00:58:19.260 --> 00:58:19.840 That could be. 00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:21.720 I mean, I was thinking more likely 00:58:21.780 --> 00:58:23.620 it would be them just putting on VR glasses 00:58:23.620 --> 00:58:26.300 and having their vacation there. 00:58:26.680 --> 00:58:29.720 But do you have anything for them? 00:58:29.740 --> 00:58:31.040 No, no, gosh, no. 00:58:32.520 --> 00:58:34.240 I'm very much done with this episode. 00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:38.280 So, Nicholas Tesla next week. 00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:39.720 Yeah, I know. 00:58:40.220 --> 00:58:41.560 There better be a death ray. 00:58:41.900 --> 00:58:49.220 on this now because i was thinking by this time last series we do we'd had we but the third episode 00:58:49.420 --> 00:58:57.180 was rosa i mean goodness me the contrast could not be greater so yeah um and and you you'll be 00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:03.060 pleased to see from the trailers that uh there are going to be american accents by yes and 00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:09.680 giant scorpions or spiders or something yeah yes i i don't know how you rated robert glenister's 00:59:09.700 --> 00:59:15.880 accent from that clip. But of course, there's always the possibility, especially since I think 00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:22.500 of him more as the guy from Hustle than the guy from Caves of Androzani, that it's all part of 00:59:22.620 --> 00:59:28.040 some con and he's actually putting the accent on. So we shall see. We shall see. I just, I expect a 00:59:28.180 --> 00:59:33.800 Nikola Tesla death ray. If they do not work the Nikola Tesla death ray into this, I will be 00:59:33.820 --> 00:59:36.780 severely disappointed in this story. 00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:38.740 I'm just saying that now. 00:59:39.680 --> 00:59:40.960 Simon, thank you for joining me. 00:59:41.260 --> 00:59:42.280 It's a pleasure, as always. 00:59:42.930 --> 00:59:46.040 And listeners, I hope you'll join us all again next time 00:59:46.410 --> 00:59:48.400 for Nikola Tesla and the Death Ray. 00:59:49.820 --> 00:59:50.480 And Fusion Patrol. 00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:54.740 You've been listening to Fusion Patrol, 00:59:55.030 --> 00:59:56.240 a listener-supported podcast. 00:59:57.040 --> 00:59:58.300 Find out how you can be a sponsor 00:59:58.330 --> 01:00:00.760 and get early access to all episodes and more 01:00:00.780 --> 01:00:02.600 at patreon.com 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:03.860 slash fusion patrol. 01:00:07.460 --> 01:00:08.300 Come join the conversation 01:00:08.540 --> 01:00:09.840 on Facebook or Twitter. 01:00:12.200 --> 01:00:13.480 All episodes are available 01:00:13.660 --> 01:00:15.120 at fusion patrol dot com. 01:00:18.020 --> 01:00:18.760 Our music is 01:00:18.820 --> 01:00:19.420 Fight the Future 01:00:19.860 --> 01:00:20.520 by Amber Wolf. 01:00:23.500 --> 01:00:24.580 This has been 01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:26.060 a Lone Locust production. 01:00:28.120 --> 01:00:29.080 A center park. 01:00:30.500 --> 01:00:31.660 I'm going to write that down and look it up. 01:00:31.660 --> 01:00:32.060 Yes, it might be with a C. 01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:34.400 How else would center be spelled? 01:00:35.380 --> 01:00:36.340 Park with a C. 01:00:37.140 --> 01:00:37.460 Oh, park. 01:00:37.610 --> 01:00:38.180 Center with a C. 01:00:39.019 --> 01:00:39.940 Center with a C. 01:00:40.100 --> 01:00:40.620 Well, all right. 01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:42.760 British spelling is weird. 01:00:42.890 --> 01:00:43.380 I don't know. 01:00:44.700 --> 01:00:46.620 Oh, it's probably with an R-E too, isn't it? 01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:48.620 Yes. 01:00:48.900 --> 01:00:49.240 Center park. 01:00:49.290 --> 01:00:49.960 It's obviously with an R-E. 01:00:49.990 --> 01:00:50.480 Er park. 01:00:50.710 --> 01:00:51.020 Oh, yeah. 01:00:51.980 --> 01:00:52.340 Park. 01:00:52.340 --> 01:00:53.500 *laughs*