WEBVTT 00:00:10.040 --> 00:00:16.100 We take a single episode of a science fiction TV series and overanalyze it to within an 00:00:16.340 --> 00:00:17.180 inch of its life. 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:19.440 This is the Fusion Patrol podcast. 00:00:20.260 --> 00:00:21.280 Welcome to the discussion. 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:37.840 hello and welcome to a special happy new year's edition of fusion patrol uh for for our patreon 00:00:38.100 --> 00:00:42.360 subscribers but for everyone else it's probably a march episode of fusion patrol but anyways it's 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:51.820 resolution, the Doctor Who New Year's special. I do want to say just two things before I get into 00:00:51.820 --> 00:00:58.880 my recap. The first is I just watched the episode and I mean literally just watched the episode and 00:00:59.180 --> 00:01:05.040 I have determined that the quality of my recaps varies depending on how much time I've had to 00:01:05.140 --> 00:01:11.820 edit them and think about them. So I haven't even read my own recap yet. That's one. And two, 00:01:12.320 --> 00:01:30.020 I just wanted to say that a few weeks ago in one of the podcasts, I and Simon were having a discussion and I made an assertion, an assertion, assertion that this episode should be called Resolution of the Daleks. 00:01:30.660 --> 00:01:35.360 Because I was guessing, and this is what I want to stress, I truly was guessing. 00:01:35.360 --> 00:01:38.860 I was not privy to any kind of spoilery info. 00:01:39.460 --> 00:01:44.740 I was basing it on the same kind of wild ass speculation that I was doing with the whole 00:01:44.940 --> 00:01:49.980 Morpath Jetson thing in the Almost Tomorrow People episode where we thought it was the 00:01:50.220 --> 00:01:51.940 master and it was totally wrong. 00:01:52.340 --> 00:01:57.460 In this case, I was basing it on the weird wording of Chibnall's, we don't have any returning 00:01:57.680 --> 00:01:59.560 villains in this year's shows. 00:02:00.180 --> 00:02:02.840 That sounded like an abnormal way to phrase it. 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:07.280 So I was surprised, not expecting it. 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:08.380 Let's put it that way. 00:02:08.979 --> 00:02:13.540 So I just want to say that we don't intentionally do spoilers on this show. 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:15.220 That's the point I'm getting at. 00:02:15.220 --> 00:02:17.180 It was not my intention to be spoilery. 00:02:17.540 --> 00:02:19.560 It was my intention to make sure that you understood. 00:02:20.020 --> 00:02:24.680 I was just taking a wild theory, crazy guess that didn't really expect to pan out. 00:02:25.180 --> 00:02:26.120 Sadly, it panned out. 00:02:26.580 --> 00:02:27.960 And the recap goes as follows. 00:02:28.300 --> 00:02:29.020 In the ninth century. 00:02:29.440 --> 00:02:32.020 I just want to say hello, everybody. 00:02:32.600 --> 00:02:33.240 Oh, hi, Simon. 00:02:33.320 --> 00:02:34.160 Did I forget that? 00:02:34.980 --> 00:02:35.420 It's me. 00:02:35.880 --> 00:02:36.000 Hello. 00:02:36.340 --> 00:02:37.200 Oh, I'm sorry. 00:02:37.620 --> 00:02:38.160 I'm here too. 00:02:38.700 --> 00:02:39.560 Simon's here. I'm sorry. 00:02:42.860 --> 00:02:43.420 Hello, I'm Eugene. 00:02:44.600 --> 00:02:45.700 And I'm Simon. 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:51.240 Welcome to guesting on the Eugene Show. 00:02:51.540 --> 00:02:51.840 Yes! 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:55.660 I feel bad now. 00:02:58.060 --> 00:02:58.840 I feel really bad. 00:02:59.140 --> 00:03:01.220 It's a new year. Everything's changed. 00:03:02.820 --> 00:03:04.280 We've been off this for a while. 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:06.720 I just want to say we have not recorded for a little bit. 00:03:06.920 --> 00:03:08.280 So I'm out of the swing. 00:03:08.580 --> 00:03:10.680 I haven't got my sea legs on land yet. 00:03:11.020 --> 00:03:12.320 So, sorry. 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:12.800 Sorry. 00:03:13.140 --> 00:03:14.040 Would you like to read the recap? 00:03:15.180 --> 00:03:21.160 No, no, I was just worried the listeners might think that there had been funding cuts and the other hosts had been axed. 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:24.220 Yes, this is also part of our no-deal Brexit. 00:03:29.640 --> 00:03:30.960 Let's try that recap again. 00:03:32.260 --> 00:03:33.480 Thank you for reminding me, Simon. 00:03:34.920 --> 00:03:40.020 In the 9th century, based on the context of this story, somewhere that might be in England, 00:03:40.720 --> 00:03:45.700 epic armies come together to battle the most deadly foe the planet Earth has ever faced. 00:03:46.060 --> 00:03:51.940 They prevailed, and they follow up their victory with possibly the dumbest plan in the history of the universe. 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:57.900 The body of their slain foe is cut into three parts, sent to the three corners of the Earth, 00:03:58.260 --> 00:04:02.160 where a lone guardian will sit on the remains for all eternity, 00:04:02.720 --> 00:04:05.740 making sure that, hell, I don't know what they were actually expecting, 00:04:05.740 --> 00:04:07.600 but they sat there for centuries. 00:04:08.440 --> 00:04:09.900 Except for that one guardian who got killed. 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:13.240 And the deadly remnants just lay beside the road, 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:16.880 unmolested for so long that it got covered up in situ 00:04:17.200 --> 00:04:20.959 and preserved for our new archaeologist friends in Sheffield to dig it up. 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:24.900 And on New Year's Day 2019, they reanimate the body, 00:04:25.020 --> 00:04:27.740 which promptly teleports the other bits back together 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:31.040 and forms into a squid-like thing. 00:04:31.620 --> 00:04:37.780 The doctor picks up an earth alarm of alien activity and tracks it where she and the gang are on the trail of the enemy, 00:04:38.100 --> 00:04:39.380 which turns out to be a Dalek. 00:04:39.700 --> 00:04:40.400 Sounds casing. 00:04:41.080 --> 00:04:49.400 The Dalek has taken the body of the female archaeologist and is using it as a makeshift transport machine in order to take over the earth. 00:04:49.520 --> 00:04:53.580 As it attempts to collect parts to further its mission of taking over the earth, 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:57.960 Ryan's dad shows up for some heartwarming family holiday special fodder. 00:04:58.420 --> 00:05:01.400 He's apparently an engineer peddling microwave ovens door to door. 00:05:01.980 --> 00:05:06.680 I didn't catch the brand name, but I think it was Chekhov's gun microwaves and plot devices. 00:05:07.320 --> 00:05:12.160 Between raiding a high-tech firm collecting alien technology and a scrap merchant's farm, 00:05:12.500 --> 00:05:17.280 the Dalek, using the female archaeologist's strong arms and some mean blacksmithing skills, 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:19.480 builds a new Dalek casing. 00:05:20.100 --> 00:05:24.740 Next, the Dalek proceeds to a major communications hub to send a signal to the fleet. 00:05:25.340 --> 00:05:30.760 With Ryan's dad's help and his wicked microwave skills, they defeat the Dalek's plan, mostly. 00:05:31.180 --> 00:05:36.840 But the Dalek escapes and takes Ryan's dad, blackmailing the Doctor into returning him to Skaro in the TARDIS. 00:05:37.100 --> 00:05:39.800 The Doctor tricks the Dalek by opening up the TARDIS to a supernova. 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:46.360 But it looks like Ryan's dad will die too, until Ryan can overcome his dyspraxia and hold his father's hand, 00:05:46.660 --> 00:05:48.800 saving him from being sucked into the supernova. 00:05:49.180 --> 00:05:51.980 With that, the Earth is saved, and the gang leave. 00:05:52.340 --> 00:05:53.600 Resolution of the Daleks. 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:55.400 Resolution, just resolution. 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:56.800 Were there opening credits? 00:05:57.200 --> 00:05:57.460 No. 00:05:57.780 --> 00:05:58.420 Okay, okay. 00:05:58.820 --> 00:06:00.620 That's part of the problem with not getting to watch it twice. 00:06:00.960 --> 00:06:04.000 It's like by the time I got to the end, I go, wait, I haven't had the opening credits yet. 00:06:04.320 --> 00:06:04.720 Or have they? 00:06:04.940 --> 00:06:05.500 Did I forget them? 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:08.040 Because I did miss the whole supernova thing. 00:06:08.900 --> 00:06:10.160 The fireworks at the beginning. 00:06:10.580 --> 00:06:14.200 They cut to that scene and I reached over to drink a sip of tea. 00:06:14.660 --> 00:06:16.780 And when I looked back, it was on their reaction shots. 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:19.960 And I never saw whatever it was they were looking at in space. 00:06:20.440 --> 00:06:21.860 So, which I thought was odd. 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:23.880 And I didn't feel like rewinding it because I didn't have time. 00:06:24.200 --> 00:06:25.960 So, I'm hoping to catch that. 00:06:26.080 --> 00:06:28.360 And I'm hoping it's as spectacular as they describe it. 00:06:28.620 --> 00:06:31.580 I was hoping for the return of pre-titles, 00:06:31.780 --> 00:06:34.820 but actually the whole thing ended up being pre-titled 00:06:34.840 --> 00:06:36.840 for a reason that I don't understand. 00:06:37.200 --> 00:06:40.580 But you can confirm that there were no opening titles 00:06:40.960 --> 00:06:44.020 because the credits that normally go in the opening titles were at the end. 00:06:44.140 --> 00:06:44.780 I saw that, yeah. 00:06:44.780 --> 00:06:48.680 By the time I'd given up on the fact that we weren't going to get opening titles, 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:55.419 I was like 99% certain that Chibnall had lied about the title of the episode 00:06:55.440 --> 00:06:58.800 and it was actually going to be called Resolution of the Daleks after all, 00:06:59.180 --> 00:07:00.820 but he didn't want to put the spoiler in. 00:07:01.970 --> 00:07:02.700 I hadn't thought of that. 00:07:04.220 --> 00:07:05.960 I couldn't think of any other reason, 00:07:06.400 --> 00:07:09.420 but it turned out still to be Resolution, so I don't know. 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:13.620 I'm not sure what the title referred to. 00:07:13.630 --> 00:07:15.980 Is it Resolution of Ryan and his dad? 00:07:17.840 --> 00:07:21.080 That's my only thinking in terms of this, 00:07:21.190 --> 00:07:23.900 because the Dalek story itself wasn't really about, 00:07:24.420 --> 00:07:33.480 Well, it wasn't really about resolution, though, whether it's ever been about resurrection or revolution or revelations or anything else. 00:07:33.580 --> 00:07:34.180 I don't know. 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:35.400 Or remembrance. 00:07:36.440 --> 00:07:38.360 That's got to be the worst of the bunch. 00:07:38.740 --> 00:07:40.340 The resolution. 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:44.260 I mean, the whole I think it was meant to be about Ryan, his dad. 00:07:44.640 --> 00:07:48.360 That didn't feel like a storyline that was actually resolved to me. 00:07:48.740 --> 00:07:50.620 No, it it it was. 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:53.420 something that had been hanging over the show 00:07:53.980 --> 00:07:55.180 in the sense that 00:07:55.420 --> 00:07:57.520 there had been numerous references to Ryan's 00:07:57.540 --> 00:07:59.260 dad and particularly the fact 00:07:59.280 --> 00:08:01.360 that he didn't turn up for Grace's funeral 00:08:01.880 --> 00:08:03.360 but what we 00:08:03.620 --> 00:08:05.100 actually got in this episode was 00:08:05.380 --> 00:08:07.400 he turned up and Ryan was 00:08:07.540 --> 00:08:09.220 pissed off at him but Ryan 00:08:09.880 --> 00:08:11.460 still loves him which he kind of 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:13.260 did before didn't he because you know 00:08:13.440 --> 00:08:15.360 that well he wouldn't be hurt by him if he didn't 00:08:15.660 --> 00:08:17.300 yeah and that's sort of how it goes with 00:08:17.460 --> 00:08:19.419 parents you do and 00:08:19.440 --> 00:08:27.240 you are however much you may not want to and yeah as you say that's that's the reason that that 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:32.740 ryan was hurt by him so dad turns up and says a few inadequate things and ryan says those are 00:08:32.860 --> 00:08:41.640 inadequate things and dad goes well you're right um and in that supernova moment we get that yes 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:46.959 ryan loves his dad but like i say we knew that already and so what actually was resolved here 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.120 we're not saying that dad still isn't 00:08:50.660 --> 00:08:51.360 totally inadequate 00:08:51.920 --> 00:08:53.920 except for his 00:08:54.380 --> 00:08:55.920 microwave skills with a Z 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:56.660 oh dear 00:08:58.060 --> 00:09:00.400 I thought of it as Chekhov's microwave 00:09:00.540 --> 00:09:01.380 in the first scene 00:09:01.940 --> 00:09:03.920 so I'm glad you had that too 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:06.380 and if anyone didn't get it then 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:08.400 when they actually lumbered into 00:09:08.400 --> 00:09:10.280 the TARDIS with the microwave for no 00:09:10.460 --> 00:09:12.580 particular reason, surely they'd have got it by then 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:13.440 yeah 00:09:14.560 --> 00:09:15.779 this means something 00:09:15.800 --> 00:09:17.900 This isn't just a microwave and an oven. 00:09:18.400 --> 00:09:20.840 It's a microwave and an oven and a plot device. 00:09:21.520 --> 00:09:21.760 Woohoo. 00:09:23.580 --> 00:09:24.280 The floor wax. 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:25.080 It's a shoe polish. 00:09:25.280 --> 00:09:26.060 I can't remember what the... 00:09:26.260 --> 00:09:26.700 No, never mind. 00:09:28.699 --> 00:09:29.500 Yeah, yeah. 00:09:29.620 --> 00:09:30.540 So let's... 00:09:31.020 --> 00:09:31.960 Okay, I will just throw out. 00:09:32.040 --> 00:09:34.460 It could be the resolution of the Battle of Hope Valley, 00:09:35.040 --> 00:09:36.020 finally, after all these centuries. 00:09:36.540 --> 00:09:39.560 But even a Dalek invasion in the 9th century 00:09:39.640 --> 00:09:42.240 had to be finally fixed by the doctor in the end. 00:09:42.520 --> 00:09:45.480 But let's talk about the bit with Ryan and his dad, 00:09:45.740 --> 00:09:49.480 Because there were a couple things that did actually stand out to me. 00:09:49.640 --> 00:09:55.900 And the first was I was genuinely impressed with Graham in this episode. 00:09:56.340 --> 00:10:01.160 He has every right to be pissed off at Aaron and treat him badly. 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:02.900 And yet he didn't. 00:10:03.060 --> 00:10:07.580 He tried helping with the box of memories and the words. 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:13.940 He is a genuinely kind and nurturing human being. 00:10:14.400 --> 00:10:19.620 And it shows beautifully in here, even knowing all the hurt that Aaron has caused. 00:10:19.860 --> 00:10:29.640 He also understands that, you know, without some sort of resolution, he can't, you know, he can continue to hurt Ryan. 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:36.720 And he is, yeah, OK, so he's helping Aaron partially because he's helping Ryan or he's trying to help Ryan. 00:10:36.800 --> 00:10:40.100 But I think he actually just genuinely is a nice guy. 00:10:40.860 --> 00:10:41.980 No, I think he is. 00:10:42.020 --> 00:10:45.260 I mean, I don't think there's been any episodes where I haven't been impressed by Graham. 00:10:45.620 --> 00:10:46.660 So he is. 00:10:46.800 --> 00:10:48.400 I also hadn't. 00:10:48.700 --> 00:10:51.160 And this may be something I missed and didn't pick up before. 00:10:51.540 --> 00:10:55.820 But I hadn't realized that Ryan's dad was Grace's son. 00:10:55.980 --> 00:11:01.380 It was never it was never clear to me whether Grace was Ryan's maternal grandmother or paternal grandmother. 00:11:01.900 --> 00:11:07.020 Oh, yeah, I think it was a discussion I had with Ben. 00:11:07.060 --> 00:11:08.800 We went over that in one of the earlier episodes. 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:12.100 And Ben was convinced and he gave me a good reason. 00:11:12.190 --> 00:11:16.700 And I can't remember what it was, that it was it was definitely Grace's son. 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:18.820 Yeah. But I was unsure at the time. 00:11:18.900 --> 00:11:20.180 You know, clearly, clearly, clearly. 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:22.380 Well, I don't think it was very clear. 00:11:22.680 --> 00:11:23.720 And it is now. 00:11:23.850 --> 00:11:31.280 I think that probably does make a difference in the sense that it would make Grace's relationship with Aaron more complicated in this. 00:11:31.500 --> 00:11:39.480 in that it would be easier to all-out hate the kind of useless, drop-out man who married her beloved daughter, 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:43.200 but harder to hate your useless, drop-out son. 00:11:43.820 --> 00:11:49.500 And so, obviously, because he meant something to Grace, he obviously means more to Graham. 00:11:49.920 --> 00:11:55.620 But I think that on its own doesn't account for the way Graham behaves, I think, as you say. 00:11:56.160 --> 00:11:59.680 It's because Graham is a proper, straight-up, decent guy. 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:08.300 He tells Aaron straight that he's not family just by swanning in and feeling entitled to be. 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:09.280 It's how he acts. 00:12:09.820 --> 00:12:17.220 And yet, when it comes down to it, the way Graham acts, it's not just forgiving. 00:12:17.550 --> 00:12:19.120 Yeah, like you say, he tries to help him. 00:12:19.980 --> 00:12:21.600 Yeah, he's just genuinely trying to help. 00:12:21.760 --> 00:12:27.700 And I will say, even though Graham slams the door in his face in the first sequence, right? 00:12:28.100 --> 00:12:29.820 It's the doctor who scoriates him. 00:12:29.920 --> 00:12:31.140 for being awful. 00:12:31.630 --> 00:12:35.520 You know, Graham is more forgiving than the doctor in that scene. 00:12:35.640 --> 00:12:35.860 Yes. 00:12:36.040 --> 00:12:39.640 Or Yaz, although Yaz doesn't have a lot to say there. 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:46.440 But I thought that was an interesting portrayal of the character 00:12:47.330 --> 00:12:47.880 when he comes in. 00:12:48.420 --> 00:12:50.200 I also want to ask about Ryan's father. 00:12:51.340 --> 00:12:53.740 The other thing that occurred to me when we saw the microwave 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:57.940 was that they were trying to play up Rose's dad there. 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:02.080 Always owning a tank, always trying to come up with a get-rich scheme, right? 00:13:02.780 --> 00:13:04.800 But because we really don't know much about his dad. 00:13:05.100 --> 00:13:06.100 He's a flippin' engineer. 00:13:06.700 --> 00:13:08.760 Are they playing against stereotype there? 00:13:09.060 --> 00:13:16.040 I mean, typically, the type of character that they're portraying here, you would think he would be a bit of a layabout. 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:21.620 But this is a guy, apparently, pretty damn well trained, schooled. 00:13:21.870 --> 00:13:23.220 And yet, Ryan is not. 00:13:24.940 --> 00:13:27.200 It just, I mean, it absolutely happens. 00:13:27.540 --> 00:13:29.640 I don't mean to say that in any other way. 00:13:29.860 --> 00:13:43.080 I was surprised by them making him more than just a guy who works in an Amazon warehouse, like Ryan, or who's always on a shift, like the guy's in the Only Fools and Horses. 00:13:43.460 --> 00:13:45.760 That's what I was thinking of all the time. 00:13:46.020 --> 00:14:09.040 Although I was kind of unimpressed by the storyline as such, I did think they did a reasonably good job in portraying Aaron because they didn't do the kind of obvious, slightly one dimensional things that are often a part of these kind of storylines where you have a character who is basically completely feckless and unlovable. 00:14:09.420 --> 00:14:26.760 And he wasn't like that. You didn't immediately see him on screen and think, I hate, hate, hate him. You get that. I mean, it's important that Graham slams the door in his face straight away because you get that the characters you know and you like do not like him and there must be a reason for that. 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:46.640 But it's not immediately obvious why that is. And I think that's important in the sense that it gives some depth to the character that there are reasons why Ryan does care about him and does care what he thinks, even if he's actually felt terribly let down by him as a father over the years. 00:14:47.200 --> 00:15:15.840 And I also think the way they could have resolved this, if they'd wanted it to be more of a resolution, would have, again, been the kind of very obvious ways of, you know, if not having him being some completely awful person who they, you know, they sent packing, they could have had him be kind of absolved from his deficiencies by sacrificing himself in that final scene. 00:15:15.900 --> 00:15:25.580 I was seriously balancing between, you know, is Ryan going to save him in the end or is he going to sacrifice himself to save Ryan? 00:15:26.030 --> 00:15:27.660 And I could not tell which way it was going to go. 00:15:28.060 --> 00:15:33.460 Well, I would have thought that would have been quite a tiresome and unsatisfactory way. 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:44.360 It would have provided resolution, but it wouldn't have felt in keeping with the way in which they have handled characters with a bit more complexity in this season. 00:15:44.560 --> 00:15:55.280 And the fact that they have characters with a good side and a bad side, just because they have a bad side of some sort, doesn't mean that they automatically die before the end of the episode. 00:15:56.420 --> 00:16:03.300 I'm going to skip to the, well, we're on that scene, so we'll talk about, there is a resolution, two potential resolutions to this episode. 00:16:03.400 --> 00:16:06.640 that I would have liked better for a variety of reasons. 00:16:07.100 --> 00:16:11.960 Both of them would involve Graham grabbing the other hand of Aaron and saving him. 00:16:12.220 --> 00:16:13.460 Yeah, that would be interesting. 00:16:13.800 --> 00:16:16.140 That, you know, there are two ways you could play that. 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:19.420 Ryan could be saving his dad and it's not enough, 00:16:19.760 --> 00:16:21.140 and Graham would be the one to step in. 00:16:21.390 --> 00:16:22.540 I can absolutely see that. 00:16:22.860 --> 00:16:29.300 And it shows, again, that character of the man trying to bridge the two of them. 00:16:29.640 --> 00:16:33.580 And the alternative could be for Graham to have been the first one to step in. 00:16:33.920 --> 00:16:40.700 And, you know, if Ryan is not yet ready to forgive, learning that from Graham in that sort of parent-child mode, 00:16:41.060 --> 00:16:46.780 learning from the example of the dad of Graham, who he sees more of a father figure than his own dad. 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:50.740 And both of those would have been more satisfying endings to me. 00:16:50.920 --> 00:16:58.240 What was not satisfying for me in any way, shape, or form is after he walks over there and hands him a hand and hangs on for a few seconds, 00:16:58.780 --> 00:17:01.120 That he, not bad for a kid with dyspraxia. 00:17:02.920 --> 00:17:04.720 You had to remind us of that. 00:17:06.159 --> 00:17:12.680 You're completely and absolutely non-existent disability that you have throughout the entire series. 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:19.540 You had to remind us that this could have been difficult for you to grab your dad's hand. 00:17:19.860 --> 00:17:22.000 I'm still wondering where they're going with that. 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:24.240 I don't think they're going anywhere. 00:17:24.350 --> 00:17:27.839 I think they are just reminding people that it is difficult for him. 00:17:28.779 --> 00:17:32.600 I will say one other thing about the dad, the Ryan dad thing. 00:17:32.600 --> 00:17:39.160 The scene where they sit in the cafe and dad starts the line, something to the effect of, 00:17:39.410 --> 00:17:44.540 I know that your mom's, your grand's death have been hard on both of us. 00:17:44.980 --> 00:17:49.260 And the instant that word was out of his mouth. 00:17:49.410 --> 00:17:52.240 Well, the next thing Ryan said was, I don't care how you feel. 00:17:52.600 --> 00:17:56.060 I said those exact same words, perhaps a little more colorfully. 00:17:56.480 --> 00:18:01.280 But that was exactly the comeback that that man needed at that moment. 00:18:01.620 --> 00:18:03.820 I don't give up about your feelings. 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:04.780 It's not about you. 00:18:06.600 --> 00:18:12.180 This is about how you hurt me, not about how these other events affected both of us. 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:19.320 And so I look at that scene, which is full of traitness in a way. 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:23.060 I mean, how many times do they sit down and the person says, well, what do you want me to say? 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:24.420 Well, you could start by saying I'm sorry. 00:18:24.420 --> 00:18:25.000 And they say, I'm sorry. 00:18:25.120 --> 00:18:26.980 Well, obviously that's not a big deal. 00:18:26.980 --> 00:18:28.180 I just told you to say you're sorry. 00:18:28.210 --> 00:18:28.960 You say you're sorry. 00:18:29.340 --> 00:18:34.000 That conversation will never lead to forgiveness 00:18:34.270 --> 00:18:37.360 because that conversation has to be backed up with actions, 00:18:37.830 --> 00:18:38.980 and actions take time, 00:18:39.310 --> 00:18:44.060 and you can't do that in the course of sitting there in the room, right? 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:47.740 But as it goes, it wasn't badly written. 00:18:48.700 --> 00:18:48.800 No. 00:18:49.280 --> 00:18:51.940 It felt relatively genuine, yeah. 00:18:52.280 --> 00:18:56.300 The actual scenes, and the more you talk about them, 00:18:56.300 --> 00:19:00.040 the more I kind of think, yeah, there was some really good stuff in this. 00:19:00.100 --> 00:19:03.240 The actual scenes themselves were well-written and well-constructed. 00:19:03.540 --> 00:19:06.600 The character interactions there were great. 00:19:07.080 --> 00:19:11.400 It was more the overall, where that was going with Dad 00:19:11.740 --> 00:19:16.940 and the need to come to some kind of resolution within the 60 minutes 00:19:17.620 --> 00:19:21.200 without actually finding any real resolution. 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:29.640 It felt to me a bit unsatisfying and it wouldn't necessarily have done so if I thought this was something that was going to be picked up in a future episode. 00:19:29.780 --> 00:19:31.140 But I don't think that's the case. 00:19:31.260 --> 00:19:37.500 I think the whole point about this being resolution was that it was the story of Ryan's dad. 00:19:37.840 --> 00:19:40.700 So is Ryan's dad out from now on or is... 00:19:40.860 --> 00:19:43.220 I don't see there's any reason for us to see him again. 00:19:43.380 --> 00:20:03.240 Because I've wondered about this. His dad, obviously there were some, I hate using the word unresolved issues with Ryan and his dad. And as you say, they've been sort of hanging over the story. But I've always felt that they've been hanging over the story so that we can explore the Graham-Ryan dynamic. 00:20:03.700 --> 00:20:06.980 more so than exploring the Ryan dad dynamic. 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:11.900 And in much the same way as that Ryan's mom's death 00:20:12.220 --> 00:20:14.160 is part of this whole equation. 00:20:14.590 --> 00:20:17.440 But I don't expect any time to be popping in 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:18.820 and meeting Ryan's mom, 00:20:19.380 --> 00:20:20.500 although why not? 00:20:20.600 --> 00:20:22.800 It's a time machine and that seems like the thing they do. 00:20:23.540 --> 00:20:24.440 But- 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:26.300 It's a thing RTD would do. 00:20:26.820 --> 00:20:26.900 Absolutely. 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:30.080 Well, we already did it with Demons of the Punjab with grandma. 00:20:30.210 --> 00:20:30.340 So- 00:20:33.100 --> 00:20:38.720 So, you know, is he a resource when they pop back down on Earth in the future? 00:20:39.260 --> 00:20:43.180 And that leads me to the question of, what about Yaz's family? 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:48.460 I mean, she walked out on them in, what, Arachnids in the UK? 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:50.760 And didn't even say goodbye. 00:20:51.500 --> 00:20:52.620 And that's the end, really. 00:20:52.780 --> 00:20:56.040 I mean, we sat in a room with her grandmother at some point. 00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:59.700 Well, the rest of her family were there in Demons of the Punjab, weren't they? 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:06.140 I thought that was during a flashback when she was talking about stuff in her memory. 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:08.680 And she was remembering a time when the family had been there. 00:21:09.060 --> 00:21:09.920 Yes, the family was there. 00:21:10.020 --> 00:21:11.040 Or some of the family was there. 00:21:11.340 --> 00:21:16.940 But I don't think, I didn't think it was in the part of the story, the timeline that we saw. 00:21:17.360 --> 00:21:21.760 I mean, at the end, yes, when she's talking to her gran, that's obviously in the present now. 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:24.120 But the others weren't around at that point. 00:21:24.420 --> 00:21:24.940 So I don't know. 00:21:25.080 --> 00:21:28.900 I just, it's weird that they even waste their time on Ryan's dad. 00:21:29.260 --> 00:21:33.920 But whatever, you know, I didn't like RTD's insistence on coming back for the family. 00:21:34.330 --> 00:21:39.880 I understand the logic of it because, you know, Martha, Rose, their family are part of them. 00:21:40.010 --> 00:21:41.520 They aren't just free agents. 00:21:41.630 --> 00:21:46.220 They aren't orphans like Nyssa that walk off and or Adrick that just, I got nothing. 00:21:46.420 --> 00:21:47.500 So I'm out of here. 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:55.820 But I still, I still, I mean, to me, the emotional impact of that scene in Aliens of London, 00:21:55.880 --> 00:22:00.260 where the Doctor realises he's come back 12 months too late. 00:22:00.420 --> 00:22:03.540 To me, that's the essence of what he was doing, 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:04.800 which is grounding. 00:22:05.840 --> 00:22:07.580 Doctor Who hadn't, up to that point, 00:22:07.580 --> 00:22:11.120 it hadn't really been about ripping people out of their lives. 00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:14.760 It hadn't been about how, you know, 00:22:14.800 --> 00:22:18.740 when something as wonderful and as incredible 00:22:19.260 --> 00:22:21.240 as travelling through time and space comes along, 00:22:21.740 --> 00:22:23.680 you actually give something up. 00:22:23.820 --> 00:22:29.760 make a sacrifice in in in going along with that because essentially from our point of view the 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:36.460 lives of every companion to the doctor began at the moment when they met the doctor and we cared 00:22:36.760 --> 00:22:40.640 very little about what they'd done before you know they might have been a let's say a computer 00:22:41.020 --> 00:22:45.640 programmer but damn they're not going to show any sign of having been one once they've met the 00:22:45.860 --> 00:22:53.780 doctor and been whirled off into the time vortex and so i correct 10 points um that so that's that's 00:22:53.800 --> 00:23:01.480 like about the way in which rose at least was was grounded in the powell estate and after that i 00:23:01.600 --> 00:23:06.720 guess it felt like it wasn't as necessary and i don't think it was as important to the subsequent 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:13.520 companion yes it changed something in the makeup of the show well okay so yes i i will agree the 00:23:13.840 --> 00:23:19.340 bit where they come back in aliens of london and we get to see the impact of the doctor taking 00:23:19.360 --> 00:23:26.760 somebody away was worthy of a story worth telling. Absolutely. That was new, that was fresh, 00:23:26.980 --> 00:23:32.740 that was Doctor Who looking at itself and reflecting on what might really happen in the 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:38.300 world. And that's part of why I said, I see why Russell T. Davies did it. Subsequently, 00:23:38.840 --> 00:23:46.000 I didn't really need to see any more of Rose's mom and Pete, because I don't think at that point, 00:23:47.080 --> 00:23:53.500 it just it just didn't really well i thought father's day was again an interesting it did 00:23:53.500 --> 00:23:58.000 have a take on what would what would you do if you had a time machine go see my grandmother 00:23:59.470 --> 00:24:05.480 well yeah that that would that would say but you know it for that particular character the most 00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:12.360 important thing to them is to go back and and to see their dad so and i think that you know that 00:24:12.380 --> 00:24:18.260 that story the other part of that story is the illusions that you have about someone who's not 00:24:18.280 --> 00:24:24.280 their parent that you've never don't know right i mean that that was fine with that um it just was 00:24:24.280 --> 00:24:30.160 an over-reliance on coming back to that uh that i don't want to see with ryan's dad um at the flip 00:24:30.340 --> 00:24:35.040 side of it it was the whole clara thing where she just come back two seconds later well i hope not 00:24:35.380 --> 00:24:41.000 anyway i think i think i think ryan's dad is almost the opposite of what we were seeing in 00:24:41.340 --> 00:24:43.620 with Pete Tyler or any of that stuff 00:24:43.710 --> 00:24:45.280 in the sense that he was someone 00:24:45.350 --> 00:24:46.820 who Rose was desperate to meet, 00:24:46.990 --> 00:24:48.500 whereas Ryan's dad, 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:50.080 well, maybe Ryan, 00:24:50.770 --> 00:24:52.720 well, Ryan certainly was keen to see his father, 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:54.460 for example, at the funeral, 00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:59.640 but he clearly isn't that desperate to see him. 00:25:00.260 --> 00:25:03.820 And if anything, this story was about it becoming clear. 00:25:03.830 --> 00:25:06.500 But I think, you know, I think Ryan knew it already. 00:25:06.530 --> 00:25:08.740 I think Ryan's development had occurred 00:25:09.020 --> 00:25:10.260 over the previous 10 episodes, 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:22.340 But he had obviously grown up in ways that meant he no longer needed his dad in the way that had done when he'd been let down by him. 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:25.540 And I think that was a point Graham was trying to make. 00:25:25.540 --> 00:25:28.920 And that was certainly something that his dad came to realize. 00:25:29.300 --> 00:25:30.480 OK, one last thing on this. 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:32.360 Tangentially. 00:25:32.660 --> 00:25:33.840 I can't figure out. 00:25:34.080 --> 00:25:37.040 Well, the excuse of the eggs was pretty, pretty lame. 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:44.580 But there are two things that happen in this story that make me think, well, it's either just terrible, terrible writing or they're setting us up for something. 00:25:44.610 --> 00:25:46.120 And I'm pretty sure it's the first part. 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:48.500 One, we show up. 00:25:48.610 --> 00:25:51.180 The TARDIS takes them to Graham's house. 00:25:51.620 --> 00:25:55.300 Basically the minute Ryan's dad arrives to knock on the door. 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:57.640 Pretty, pretty far-fetched coincidence. 00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:02.060 And the TARDIS is traveling through 19 New Year's Eves. 00:26:02.420 --> 00:26:07.220 And then it happens to pick up an alarm from Earth because they're in time and space. 00:26:07.660 --> 00:26:10.300 There is no, it's not New Year's Eve everywhere. 00:26:10.940 --> 00:26:19.460 Why did they have to pick New Year's Eve journeys for the day that the TARDIS picks up a New Year's Eve alert from Earth? 00:26:20.020 --> 00:26:21.260 And that now makes me ask. 00:26:21.260 --> 00:26:22.440 Because it's a New Year episode. 00:26:22.780 --> 00:26:24.580 I know, but then that makes me ask this question. 00:26:25.060 --> 00:26:28.640 Could the TARDIS, because they're in all of time and space, right? 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:35.020 They were nowhere near Sheffield 2019 when they picked up that signal. 00:26:35.130 --> 00:26:37.680 They were neither going there nor coming from there. 00:26:38.520 --> 00:26:43.960 Could the TARDIS have picked up that signal at any time for any of the previous doctors? 00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:52.400 Is there something going on where the TARDIS is plucking things out of time and space when it feels it's the right time to do it? 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:54.420 because I guess if you think about it, 00:26:54.430 --> 00:26:56.900 you could answer all of the distress calls in the universe 00:26:57.360 --> 00:26:59.820 one after another in any order you want. 00:27:00.080 --> 00:27:03.460 We have thought about it in the sense that I think this comes perilously close 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:07.460 to what we spent a good two episodes thrashing over 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:09.980 when we discussed time travel in Doctor Who 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:13.700 because Doctor Who isn't equipped to do time travel. 00:27:14.840 --> 00:27:16.940 There are no ground rules about it. 00:27:17.210 --> 00:27:19.260 And this kind of stuff doesn't make sense. 00:27:19.620 --> 00:27:21.900 It just slammed to the forefront on this one. 00:27:22.220 --> 00:27:24.140 and it started with the New Year's Eve stuff 00:27:24.370 --> 00:27:25.060 because I'm like, wait, 00:27:26.780 --> 00:27:28.360 it's New Year's Day special, fine. 00:27:28.540 --> 00:27:29.900 Land on Earth on New Year's Day and go, 00:27:29.910 --> 00:27:30.780 oh, it's New Year's Day. 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:34.100 The bit where we've just been through 19 New Year's Days. 00:27:34.560 --> 00:27:36.080 Wouldn't it have been funny if they had said 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:40.180 we've just been through 10 or 11 Christmas days. 00:27:40.740 --> 00:27:42.220 Now we're going to do New Year's Day, 00:27:42.600 --> 00:27:44.740 which would have been a great self-referential joke 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:46.820 about their Christmas specials. 00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:49.020 And then suddenly they're doing a New Year's special, right? 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:50.500 They could have been doing anything. 00:27:50.660 --> 00:27:53.900 They could have been doing American July 4th celebrations and suddenly they get this. 00:27:54.020 --> 00:27:54.700 Oh, it's New Year's. 00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:56.300 OK, that was all. 00:27:56.600 --> 00:27:58.300 Anyway, I throw that out there. 00:27:58.300 --> 00:27:59.800 We should probably talk about the Daleks. 00:28:00.100 --> 00:28:00.500 Dalek. 00:28:00.860 --> 00:28:01.460 The Dalek. 00:28:01.560 --> 00:28:01.900 Dalek. 00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:03.360 Sorry. 00:28:03.760 --> 00:28:04.360 I didn't ask. 00:28:04.560 --> 00:28:05.400 What do you think of this episode? 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:08.860 Along with not telling you you were here. 00:28:09.100 --> 00:28:11.000 I didn't ask what you thought of the episode either. 00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:12.480 Well, OK. 00:28:13.899 --> 00:28:15.140 I like the score. 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:16.080 There was a score? 00:28:16.460 --> 00:28:17.260 You're talking about the music. 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:20.340 I can't believe you didn't notice the music in this one. 00:28:20.520 --> 00:28:21.660 It was actually really good. 00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:22.100 No. 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:24.420 I mean, I have only watched it the once, but... 00:28:24.560 --> 00:28:25.100 And prominent. 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:27.680 No. 00:28:28.060 --> 00:28:30.300 Well, I think that's fairly amazing. 00:28:31.280 --> 00:28:37.100 Not that it was inappropriate, and I stick to my point that that's when you notice music the most. 00:28:37.300 --> 00:28:45.840 But it was quite loud and, you know, in the exciting moments, a little bit bombastic, but not in a bad way. 00:28:46.420 --> 00:28:50.920 I will listen for it when I watch through with the family a little later today. 00:28:51.350 --> 00:28:52.340 They haven't seen it yet. 00:28:52.700 --> 00:28:54.460 Oh, no, I didn't. 00:28:54.550 --> 00:28:54.920 I don't know. 00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:57.060 Do we have talked about the score at all on the podcast? 00:28:57.600 --> 00:28:59.260 I can't remember. 00:28:59.460 --> 00:28:59.800 I know. 00:29:00.020 --> 00:29:03.400 I know that you keep insisting that you don't notice the music. 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:04.000 I don't notice it. 00:29:04.120 --> 00:29:04.820 Very, very rarely. 00:29:05.210 --> 00:29:14.000 I have felt in certain places that the music is kind of it doesn't it it's almost it counterpoints the drama. 00:29:14.380 --> 00:29:20.880 And I feel it should be, it should almost be unnoticeable because it should be following the grain of the episode. 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:26.260 And in doing that, it enhances it without necessarily drawing attention to itself. 00:29:26.600 --> 00:29:32.720 You said, you just said something a minute ago about possibly when you notice music, it's inappropriate. 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:36.680 I guess I don't agree with that. And I'll cite James Bond films for an example. 00:29:36.930 --> 00:29:40.980 I could cite Star Trek, the original series, but I'll cite the James Bond films. 00:29:41.220 --> 00:29:49.860 Because when he is about to jump off a cliff or car chase or something, the James Bond film theme does not feel inappropriate. 00:29:50.020 --> 00:29:50.760 It adds. 00:29:51.120 --> 00:29:52.080 And it's very prominent. 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:53.280 That's going with the grain. 00:29:53.500 --> 00:29:54.720 That is absolutely going with the grain. 00:29:55.180 --> 00:30:01.340 Because it's a racy, up-tempo, brassy kind of piece of music. 00:30:01.940 --> 00:30:04.540 And that's what you want when you've got a car chase going on. 00:30:04.540 --> 00:30:06.080 And you're caught up in the car chase. 00:30:06.700 --> 00:30:08.360 And it's loud. 00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:08.940 It's action. 00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:14.560 So the music has to be loud for you to even register it. 00:30:14.980 --> 00:30:18.680 And it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be in the forefront 00:30:18.890 --> 00:30:23.520 because you're so caught up in the kind of adrenaline-packed thrills 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:24.760 that you're seeing on the screen. 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.720 If you had that kind of music during a quiet moment. 00:30:29.080 --> 00:30:32.180 This isn't what I think Sagan Akinola has done, actually. 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:35.780 It's not so much loud noises in quiet scenes 00:30:35.800 --> 00:30:42.720 so much as slightly modern electronic music in 1950s America or whatever. 00:30:43.180 --> 00:30:50.020 So because the music is stylized and it's in a scene where the style doesn't fit, 00:30:50.790 --> 00:30:51.760 you notice the music. 00:30:52.080 --> 00:30:53.580 Okay, I will go back and listen. 00:30:53.800 --> 00:30:57.700 You might like the music, but it doesn't necessarily enhance what you're watching. 00:30:58.140 --> 00:30:58.940 Now, I will say this. 00:30:59.170 --> 00:31:04.680 If I haven't said this, watching the show, there's been like three instances 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:06.000 and I can only name two of them. 00:31:06.800 --> 00:31:07.860 There was the bit where he, 00:31:08.180 --> 00:31:09.760 Brian's walking through the, 00:31:10.020 --> 00:31:11.440 in the woman who fell to earth 00:31:11.580 --> 00:31:12.820 in the, looking for the bike. 00:31:13.060 --> 00:31:15.300 There was a kind of an ominous noise sound there 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:15.880 that I noticed. 00:31:16.360 --> 00:31:17.760 And there was absolutely every time 00:31:17.980 --> 00:31:19.800 Nazi boy and Rosa showed up, 00:31:19.900 --> 00:31:20.340 there was this, 00:31:22.020 --> 00:31:23.420 just over and over again, 00:31:24.620 --> 00:31:28.160 absolutely comically overplayed villain beat. 00:31:28.460 --> 00:31:29.620 Those two times I noticed it. 00:31:30.280 --> 00:31:31.740 And I don't dislike the theme. 00:31:32.180 --> 00:31:35.800 The example in Rosa was not well used, that music. 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:37.260 I don't dislike the theme. 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:40.800 I like it a lot better than the Rad accordion they played for the 13th Doctor, 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:42.020 or the 12th Doctor. 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:45.240 And, well, he's the 13th because of the War Doctor, 00:31:45.420 --> 00:31:46.880 and this is really the 14th Doctor, 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:48.360 and we're not going to get into that one. 00:31:48.740 --> 00:31:51.900 But I never liked... 00:31:51.900 --> 00:31:52.460 It's called the Doctor. 00:31:52.840 --> 00:31:55.100 Yeah, well, War Doctor. 00:31:55.420 --> 00:31:55.940 The Doctor. 00:31:56.580 --> 00:31:57.200 It's just a title. 00:31:57.460 --> 00:31:58.220 War, the... 00:31:58.220 --> 00:31:58.480 Same difference. 00:31:59.679 --> 00:32:01.440 Anyhow, so I like the theme. 00:32:01.600 --> 00:32:03.900 I like the callbacks to the original theme. 00:32:04.580 --> 00:32:07.820 There's little bits off that don't rankle right with me, 00:32:07.820 --> 00:32:09.340 but nothing like the Rad accordion. 00:32:09.700 --> 00:32:15.960 And I heard an interview or Daco or something with the composer, 00:32:16.190 --> 00:32:19.700 and during that they were playing some of his music. 00:32:20.010 --> 00:32:21.080 I really liked it. 00:32:21.410 --> 00:32:25.700 I mean, it's sort of synth electronic soundscape stuff. 00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:28.060 I was enjoying it. 00:32:28.190 --> 00:32:28.680 I was listening. 00:32:28.800 --> 00:32:29.440 I like that. 00:32:29.600 --> 00:32:32.080 That's kind of some of the music I would listen to. 00:32:32.340 --> 00:32:33.980 Just not hearing it in the show. 00:32:34.460 --> 00:32:36.440 So, which is odd. 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:37.160 It surprises me. 00:32:38.220 --> 00:32:41.520 I'm looking forward to having the CD and listening to it. 00:32:41.900 --> 00:32:46.720 Because some of those cues that I thought didn't fit with the scenes that they were paired with, 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:49.120 I'll enjoy them listening to them on their own. 00:32:50.080 --> 00:32:53.860 And like this episode, where I thought it was all actually very effective. 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:59.140 You know, just as with Murray Gold's music, I will enjoy listening to that on its own, too. 00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:06.040 okay we got derailed well i was just trying to find something i liked about the episode okay 00:33:07.820 --> 00:33:08.920 that answers the question 00:33:10.940 --> 00:33:16.160 there were a few things that annoyed me about the episode i don't want to be entirely negative but i 00:33:16.560 --> 00:33:20.140 kind of didn't and i i feel like i'm going against the grain here because 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:24.880 almost everything that i've read in the sort of 24 hours since it's been aired 00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:29.020 has been either reasonably positive or wildly enthusiastic. 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:30.080 Huh. 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:31.080 So... 00:33:31.080 --> 00:33:31.740 Wouldn't have gone that far. 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:39.060 It's like, is it just because you and I are just not that into Daleks 00:33:39.170 --> 00:33:42.940 and the rest of the world thinks they're the best thing since sliced bread? 00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:45.800 Might be, but I don't think so. 00:33:46.070 --> 00:33:49.680 I think this was kind of not a stellar episode. 00:33:49.690 --> 00:33:51.740 It wasn't horrible, but it just wasn't... 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:53.100 It wasn't horrible. 00:33:53.230 --> 00:33:53.840 It wasn't horrible. 00:33:54.200 --> 00:34:03.960 but it wasn't, I don't actually dislike Daleks, and in fact I would happily place Genesis of the Daleks up there, 00:34:04.260 --> 00:34:09.960 along with everyone else of course, as being one of the show's finest hours, or finest two and a half hours, 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:21.860 and the concept of the Daleks, this mutated creature bred out of a war, arguably out of necessity, 00:34:22.300 --> 00:34:28.040 Although, you know, it takes an extreme form of eugenics too. 00:34:28.520 --> 00:34:32.940 So I may be not going to say this, but you know what I'm saying. 00:34:34.240 --> 00:34:36.379 It's born out of a terrible situation. 00:34:36.790 --> 00:34:40.700 And it's this creature that rides around in this formidable tank. 00:34:41.340 --> 00:34:45.300 And there's something worth exploring around that. 00:34:45.360 --> 00:35:07.200 What I dislike is when they try to take the, you know, the idea, well, not really even the idea anymore, when they try to take the Dalek concept, this thing that has become incredibly popular, but do a story that isn't like every other story with the Daleks in it, they can't, they often can't. 00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:13.700 I mean, obviously, Genesis of the Daleks was intended to be a different type of story, and it was incredibly successful. 00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:20.980 But often what ends up happening is they take something that is intrinsic to what I think of as the Dalek concepts, 00:35:21.260 --> 00:35:25.680 like the fact that, you know, the mutant inside the machine is fundamentally helpless, 00:35:26.180 --> 00:35:30.080 although I guess it can cling on to someone's face like Genesis. 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:40.300 But suddenly, in order to make that work, they have it with this magical ability to take over someone else's body and control their body and mind. 00:35:41.060 --> 00:35:47.540 Or, you know, and for reasons that I don't entirely understand, it has been chopped into three pieces after it's dead. 00:35:47.770 --> 00:36:00.520 And it has the ability to regenerate itself, not only regenerate itself under ultraviolet light, but then somehow literally to transport the other parts of it from other corners of the globe. 00:36:00.680 --> 00:36:07.680 I mean why didn't they burn the parts why why yeah I I don't understand I don't understand why 00:36:08.120 --> 00:36:13.620 why they add these I do understand why they go oh we're going to have it control someone's mind 00:36:13.660 --> 00:36:19.460 and body but that's just because it's bloody difficult writing a story about an alien it's 00:36:19.520 --> 00:36:26.039 a lot easier if that alien can take over a human because then you can have a human actor portray it 00:36:26.060 --> 00:36:27.600 and a load of your problems disappear. 00:36:27.720 --> 00:36:29.820 And that's why loads and loads of alien stories 00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:31.340 are about possession. 00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:33.580 It's boring already. 00:36:34.620 --> 00:36:38.720 And I'm not really all that convinced 00:36:38.980 --> 00:36:40.860 of the threat of this Dalek 00:36:41.260 --> 00:36:43.000 because he's going to take over 00:36:43.180 --> 00:36:44.220 seven billion people on earth 00:36:44.260 --> 00:36:45.440 and he's going to beat them all. 00:36:46.420 --> 00:36:48.340 A bunch of tribesmen in the ninth century 00:36:48.740 --> 00:36:49.260 took him down. 00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:51.640 Dalek, not that impressive. 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:59.860 We had the kind of the prologue explaining that it was a stupendous war. 00:37:00.090 --> 00:37:02.020 It was a stupendous war for the ages. 00:37:02.590 --> 00:37:03.140 For the age. 00:37:03.140 --> 00:37:03.460 Well, yes. 00:37:04.180 --> 00:37:14.380 And so you wouldn't have expected that kind of army to have to be amassed in order to overcome an opponent whose troops number won. 00:37:15.180 --> 00:37:17.800 Which they apparently burned in a ponfire somehow. 00:37:19.460 --> 00:37:24.840 somehow they they managed to build sticks over him and burn him in a bonfire based on the 00:37:25.300 --> 00:37:30.900 illustrations it's quite it's quite hard to imagine how how it would have happened but if 00:37:30.900 --> 00:37:36.420 you don't think about it too hard it's it's kind of like i i actually thought there was a real threat 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:44.120 from uh now what what's the dalek story what was it doomsday where the three daleks turn up from 00:37:44.060 --> 00:37:50.100 the void yeah army of ghosts army of ghosts that might that might have been it that's part one i 00:37:50.100 --> 00:37:55.740 think well they they the daleks only turn up at the end um and it's it's through doomsday that 00:37:55.740 --> 00:38:01.680 they start bitch slapping these cybermen who are enormously numerous and they laugh at the daleks 00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:06.640 going haha there's only three of you and the daleks wipe them out pretty much and it's that 00:38:06.660 --> 00:38:12.240 I can believe that one Dalek can be a serious threat. 00:38:12.600 --> 00:38:16.180 So I could believe that a Dalek would put the willies up the doctor, 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:21.140 particularly if she thought that it was about to signal to a Dalek fleet. 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.380 And, you know, how could you stop it? 00:38:24.460 --> 00:38:26.360 How could you defeat it? 00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:28.160 But that's a Dalek in its casing. 00:38:28.600 --> 00:38:33.100 Okay, let me, yeah, this is, going back to the 9th century, 00:38:33.460 --> 00:38:34.900 what was the Dalek's plan there? 00:38:35.180 --> 00:38:35.840 Call the fleet? 00:38:36.140 --> 00:38:42.060 well we're told it's a it's a reconnaissance dalek so it's it's basically lands on the planet it says 00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:46.560 primitive humans call in the fleet why didn't it do that why did it fight a battle is it because 00:38:46.610 --> 00:38:52.340 it didn't have the technology to steal to call i again none of that that whole ninth century thing 00:38:52.390 --> 00:38:58.780 good question so and then how much of that i mean i would have made it i quite like the i'll admit 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:05.140 now i quite like the idea of there having been a dalek on earth in the ninth century but you could 00:39:05.100 --> 00:39:12.020 have done that with you know a damaged dalek somehow spinning into earth orbit and crashing 00:39:12.120 --> 00:39:19.300 as a meteor and you know tribesmen come and yeah oh yeah okay and it what it did occur to me that 00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:25.780 dalek was one of the stories that they were trying to do trying that what dark what dalek did not 00:39:26.180 --> 00:39:34.680 in my opinion the most perfect story but it definitely achieved making daleks scary for a 00:39:34.540 --> 00:39:40.140 whole new generation because it did it did do that thing of one dalek being a serious threat 00:39:40.240 --> 00:39:45.800 and that's one depleted dalek in chains and part of that's obviously you know the doctor's reaction 00:39:45.940 --> 00:39:53.400 and everything but it was it was taking taking a villain who had become a bit of a laughingstock 00:39:54.200 --> 00:40:01.720 and re-imbuing it with a kind of real genuine sense of threat yes i if for whatever you can 00:40:01.640 --> 00:40:07.800 say about Dalek, good, bad, or indifferent, in that particular aspect of it, it made Dalek seem 00:40:07.900 --> 00:40:13.160 like a credible fighting force, whereas it has not been a credible fighting force for a very long time 00:40:13.580 --> 00:40:18.080 prior to that. Oh, I've thrown a hat over my eye stock. My vision is impaired. I cannot see. 00:40:19.020 --> 00:40:25.200 Exactly. Exactly. Part of that, as the Doctor laments, you know, I never seem to be able to 00:40:25.200 --> 00:40:28.560 get rid of them. And part of that is because they've come back almost every season. 00:40:29.780 --> 00:40:32.440 Well, not in 2018, though. No Daleks in 2018. 00:40:32.570 --> 00:40:34.460 A year without Daleks, let that be remembered. 00:40:34.570 --> 00:40:38.160 2019, the only thing we get for Doctor Who is Daleks. 00:40:38.500 --> 00:40:46.300 Well, I mean, I said I wasn't keen on the episode, but I suppose I've got to admit it's the best episode we've had in 2019 and will get. 00:40:46.540 --> 00:40:52.480 So there we are. But yes, it's familiarity breeds contempt and all of that. 00:40:52.900 --> 00:40:55.760 And so it's worth trying to do something different. 00:40:56.260 --> 00:40:57.860 But I wasn't convinced by this. 00:40:58.200 --> 00:41:01.380 And even the question's an interesting one. 00:41:01.700 --> 00:41:05.480 What happens if you, you know, if we had a story like Dalek, 00:41:05.640 --> 00:41:08.540 with it falling damaged to earth, 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:12.000 or, you know, somehow being overcome by these tribesmen, 00:41:12.260 --> 00:41:16.660 and the Dalek is, the casing is gone, the Dalek is on its own, 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:18.920 and it is more or less helpless. 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:20.420 How does it get out of that? 00:41:20.720 --> 00:41:26.980 Because we have seen these kind of fearful monsters in so many episodes, 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:34.120 But how often has it been important that they are these kind of bionic creatures? 00:41:34.620 --> 00:41:38.380 Because what's really scary about them is basically the casing. 00:41:39.700 --> 00:41:43.580 It's fitted with these fearful, terrifying weapons. 00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:48.760 And in numbers, Daleks seem to be completely unstoppable 00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:52.820 because their casing is completely impenetrable and they have these weapons. 00:41:53.120 --> 00:41:55.600 And yes, they will use them. 00:41:55.720 --> 00:41:57.580 And that's part of the consciousness inside. 00:41:57.940 --> 00:42:01.600 But if you take that away, are they still so scary? 00:42:02.060 --> 00:42:07.240 Or are they, you know, if you have a Dalek without its casing and it is completely helpless, how will it react? 00:42:07.620 --> 00:42:10.480 Has it got sufficient cunning and drive? 00:42:10.710 --> 00:42:13.340 Because we're certainly told that it should have. 00:42:13.540 --> 00:42:18.160 Has it got sufficient cunning and drive to somehow build itself a new casing? 00:42:18.720 --> 00:42:19.940 But how can it do that? 00:42:20.420 --> 00:42:21.840 You know, no hands, etc, etc. 00:42:22.420 --> 00:42:26.060 And to me, it seems like crawling on someone's back and taking over their body. 00:42:26.240 --> 00:42:26.840 That's a cop out. 00:42:27.200 --> 00:42:28.600 Yeah, that is a cop-out. 00:42:28.700 --> 00:42:33.880 And I am reminded of an episode, and I will let you tell me the name of it. 00:42:34.180 --> 00:42:41.360 Colin Baker, Big Finish, Monastery, Daleks, Recreating Their Cases, Cover of the... 00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:42.120 Order of the Daleks? 00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:42.660 What is it? 00:42:42.900 --> 00:42:44.060 Could it be Order of the Daleks? 00:42:44.520 --> 00:42:45.600 Did it have, um... 00:42:46.300 --> 00:42:48.240 Ah, the, uh, WAF. 00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:50.060 Had a stained glass Dalek on the cover. 00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:52.140 That's the one, Order of the Daleks, yes. 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.720 I've forgotten the companion's name. 00:42:54.820 --> 00:42:55.860 It will come back to me. 00:42:56.080 --> 00:42:56.560 Was it Evelyn? 00:42:57.220 --> 00:43:02.740 no no that was jubilee which had a dalek in a stained glass window didn't it yeah it did they 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:07.340 like stained glass in the daleks i guess they do it was a great cover it's better cover than it 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:12.660 was a story i i was thinking i was thinking of that episode when i saw him trying to rebuild his 00:43:12.820 --> 00:43:19.880 with blacksmith skills constant spark no order of the daleks no no that's much older than that 00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:25.299 i don't think it's constant not flip who else has he had his constant uh we can check that 00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:26.200 Put it in the show notes. 00:43:26.520 --> 00:43:29.080 I find that hard to believe. 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:35.120 Constance is the military 1940s woman, right? 00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:35.560 Correct. 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:36.140 Yes. 00:43:36.340 --> 00:43:37.080 No, I don't think so. 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:38.800 I have trouble believing that. 00:43:38.980 --> 00:43:41.560 But anyway, we'll carry on. 00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:46.480 I was thinking of that, and I was thinking they did that better in that episode. 00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:48.020 But again, it was mind control. 00:43:49.040 --> 00:43:49.120 Yes. 00:43:49.260 --> 00:43:50.380 But it was done differently. 00:43:50.820 --> 00:43:54.940 It was true mind control through drugs or something, as I recall. 00:43:55.380 --> 00:44:00.280 yeah you're you're quite right i had forgotten about that and i hadn't thought it was a particularly 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:07.220 good story but it it did do the same thing we'd seen in this in what i found a more interesting 00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:14.200 way um and the other thing is obviously the doctor says some of there must be a reason that the dalek 00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:19.459 went to that scrap yard and there's a line that makes it sound like some of the dalek casing was 00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:27.000 there we never see any of that no we see him going to we see him it uh i don't know i yes i don't 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:33.860 know what gender the dalek is um lynn with her dalek going oh good was that her name i totally 00:44:34.340 --> 00:44:38.740 you'll notice i ignored it in the recap because i honestly didn't pick it up through the course of 00:44:38.740 --> 00:44:43.260 the one watching and i didn't have time to go back that that was that was her name okay so whether 00:44:43.640 --> 00:44:48.859 whether we should refer to her as lynn when it's the dalek who's taken her over anyway 00:44:49.980 --> 00:44:55.240 mkz industries or whatever it was called i got a bit distracted from what it was because it's the 00:44:55.340 --> 00:44:59.800 welsh government building car park i don't tend to notice these things when i'm absorbed in the 00:44:59.960 --> 00:45:06.800 story but anyway um when she went down there they went down there it went down there um and the gun 00:45:07.100 --> 00:45:12.360 was there she then loaded in a load of other boxes into the car as well oh did she i didn't see the 00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:17.940 other boxes i think we were supposed to assume that there was more than just that gun there 00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:24.400 there were other bits of dalek bare parts oh okay that's possible i didn't i didn't see that 00:45:24.670 --> 00:45:31.060 but then i didn't see the fireworks either so um that's that's completely believable um there is 00:45:31.060 --> 00:45:37.560 the line where when the when it shows up at the scrapyard the guy says something like all that 00:45:37.740 --> 00:45:43.460 stuff in there i purchased legally or something which made it sound like it was maybe some of it 00:45:43.380 --> 00:45:48.200 It was not particularly, maybe it was the missiles. 00:45:48.520 --> 00:45:51.360 I don't know what it was, but it made it sound like the guy was shady. 00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:58.480 And I was thinking there must have been, you know, like the balls and the skirting or something. 00:45:58.500 --> 00:46:09.480 Because I just don't believe that a human and a blacksmith could forge those with such precision that, you know, they have retracting rocket launchers in them. 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:11.040 And I also feel like... 00:46:11.040 --> 00:46:12.620 It's kind of like the... 00:46:12.640 --> 00:46:13.820 That would have taken days. 00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:16.160 Sheffield steel sonic screwdriver. 00:46:17.180 --> 00:46:17.480 Yes. 00:46:17.830 --> 00:46:18.600 Should have taken days. 00:46:19.130 --> 00:46:19.980 Seems to have taken minutes. 00:46:20.500 --> 00:46:20.660 Yes. 00:46:20.870 --> 00:46:41.020 It's an interesting idea that Dalek casing, as manufactured on Scarrow, is, we are led to believe by, I forget which of the numerous stories that have featured them, made out of Dalek amium, which is supposed to account for their incredible impenetrableness. 00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:46.160 And it's a ore bonded polycarbonate armor. 00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:47.080 Yes. 00:46:47.260 --> 00:46:50.800 Was that from the Empire State Building one? 00:46:51.120 --> 00:46:52.260 It was from Remembrance. 00:46:52.600 --> 00:46:53.340 It was from Remembrance. 00:46:53.560 --> 00:46:53.680 Okay. 00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:59.860 Anyway, these are things that, well, the Dalek anium is in short supply on Earth. 00:47:00.040 --> 00:47:02.940 They must have got it from somewhere in the Empire State one. 00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:15.280 But the idea of having a kind of jerry-built Dalek from whatever material is around, and obviously Sheffield steel is not a terrible substitute. 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:18.100 I like the idea. 00:47:18.540 --> 00:47:24.460 And actually, I thought the realisation of the kind of cobbled together Dalek looked pretty good. 00:47:24.780 --> 00:47:32.220 But to me, that Dalek is not going to be as invincible as an original Scarra manufactured Dalek. 00:47:32.240 --> 00:47:35.000 and I felt like maybe that should have been shown somehow. 00:47:36.540 --> 00:47:38.800 There is the, frankly, when the tank pulled up, 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:40.560 I said, that's going to finish this thing 00:47:40.860 --> 00:47:43.160 because it can't possibly be good enough 00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:46.400 to withstand armor-piercing tank shells. 00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:47.780 And the fact that it- 00:47:47.780 --> 00:47:49.420 Because made out of terrestrial materials. 00:47:49.680 --> 00:47:50.120 Right. 00:47:50.120 --> 00:47:53.140 The fact that it deflected it instead of being hit 00:47:53.140 --> 00:47:56.180 was the only saving grace to that scene. 00:47:56.180 --> 00:47:59.340 That it managed to not get hit by the tank 00:47:59.340 --> 00:48:01.400 because I really feel like that would have blown it into pieces. 00:48:01.540 --> 00:48:06.360 Even if some of those pieces were invulnerable, the bits that were binding it together were vulnerable. 00:48:06.860 --> 00:48:09.480 And it should have gone pop. 00:48:10.020 --> 00:48:14.240 So, again, especially if some 9th century people could cook it out. 00:48:15.860 --> 00:48:16.620 Maybe that's it. 00:48:16.620 --> 00:48:17.340 Just to come back to... 00:48:17.550 --> 00:48:17.760 Go ahead. 00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:26.480 Well, I was just recollecting that you thought that there might be some Dalek stuff in that steelworks where the guy came out. 00:48:27.020 --> 00:48:27.860 Wasn't it a steelworks? 00:48:28.140 --> 00:48:28.580 Whatever it was. 00:48:28.780 --> 00:48:30.040 Farm workshop thing. 00:48:30.340 --> 00:48:31.000 Just scrapper. 00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:33.960 And I was too distracted from what he was saying 00:48:34.240 --> 00:48:37.320 by the way that he was reacting to seeing a police officer. 00:48:37.670 --> 00:48:39.980 And I wondered if that came across to you, 00:48:40.120 --> 00:48:42.040 because he told her, oi, clear off. 00:48:42.460 --> 00:48:42.940 That's true. 00:48:43.140 --> 00:48:48.140 If you see a police officer, that's not a normal reaction, is it? 00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:50.620 I bought everything here legally, you get out of here. 00:48:51.540 --> 00:48:51.960 Yeah, right. 00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:55.280 It's not the way you'd phrase it. 00:48:55.780 --> 00:48:58.020 And unless it was a police officer you knew, 00:48:58.220 --> 00:49:00.100 and obviously she wasn't a police officer he knew, 00:49:00.260 --> 00:49:02.320 Because, well, she's not a police officer. 00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:07.740 So I was a bit thrown in that moment by the dynamics of that scene. 00:49:08.060 --> 00:49:11.020 Obviously, it didn't last very long because he got exterminated. 00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:18.280 But I hadn't registered that what he was talking about could be Dalek-related contraband, as it were. 00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:29.280 So the other question that this raises to me is, has time been rewritten as such that this is the first Dalek invasion? 00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:31.280 Or, you know, is... 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:34.880 Because it sounded like he was cobbling it together from his own shell. 00:49:35.110 --> 00:49:36.340 From his own scraps. 00:49:36.860 --> 00:49:40.260 And how do we know these weren't from Remembrance of the Daleks? 00:49:40.720 --> 00:49:43.280 Daleks in 63, or... 00:49:43.520 --> 00:49:45.140 Or the Battle of Canary Wharf. 00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:46.580 Or Battle of Canary Wharf. 00:49:46.850 --> 00:49:49.320 Or Day of the Daleks, if that ever even happened. 00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:51.780 That's more questionable. 00:49:52.220 --> 00:49:55.600 I think there was a small force of Daleks destroyed by unit. 00:49:56.060 --> 00:49:57.520 Just not the... I don't know. 00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:02.600 I don't remember what the outcome of that was, but yeah. 00:50:03.040 --> 00:50:06.540 Yeah, it wasn't a great, it's not a great Dalek story. 00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:07.460 Well, there's a couple. 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:08.620 I'll say this. 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:09.220 You're right. 00:50:09.460 --> 00:50:13.980 The mutant inside should be weak, and it shouldn't be as formidable as this was. 00:50:14.240 --> 00:50:19.460 We've seen in Into the Dalek, as an example, that it's not just a casing. 00:50:19.860 --> 00:50:27.900 It's part of its brain, that it's wired into that thing in such a way that it needs that to do its thinking for. 00:50:27.940 --> 00:50:32.860 it so without that how the heck did this dalek but i don't like the fact that it's oh it's a 00:50:32.940 --> 00:50:38.740 reconnaissance dalek that's a special dalek would daleks really make special daleks i special weapons 00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:43.020 dalek and i'm not convinced about the special weapons dalek you would think they would just 00:50:43.030 --> 00:50:52.180 put that weapon on all daleks well bit unwieldy um so that was kind of iffy about this story i 00:50:52.200 --> 00:50:57.900 don't like the fact that and this is starting with dalek i they big the daleks up huge there 00:50:58.220 --> 00:51:02.860 they're most incredible geniuses they can work that out in seconds they're like they've never 00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:11.380 really been that smart smart but i don't know i don't know that they were but they've now made 00:51:11.380 --> 00:51:17.480 they were not very smart in the 80s they were they were smart in even back to the original 00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:19.180 They could do things. 00:51:19.230 --> 00:51:23.560 They had technology, but they were certainly not Time Lord level. 00:51:24.700 --> 00:51:25.860 And I don't know. 00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:33.120 I feel they missed a point by making them almost omnipotently powerful evil here, which is kind of what they've done. 00:51:33.380 --> 00:51:37.500 I mean, that's because they've made the Doctor almost omnipotently powerfully evil. 00:51:38.900 --> 00:51:39.080 Evil. 00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:40.400 Well, sorry, powerful. 00:51:40.790 --> 00:51:40.900 Evil. 00:51:40.990 --> 00:51:41.700 Yeah, okay, evil. 00:51:42.120 --> 00:51:42.700 Downright evil. 00:51:42.820 --> 00:51:43.660 Destroying the universe. 00:51:44.220 --> 00:51:46.980 Wiping out helpless, defenseless little Daleks with a microwave oven. 00:51:47.060 --> 00:51:47.560 That's terrible. 00:51:51.540 --> 00:51:51.760 Yeah. 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:52.420 Yeah. 00:51:52.700 --> 00:51:54.100 So Daleks are problematic. 00:51:54.130 --> 00:52:01.940 I would just be happy not to see them again or until somebody comes up with a truly original context and plot line for them. 00:52:02.260 --> 00:52:03.440 I'd settle for that. 00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:09.080 I think what I feel about the Daleks is that they need they kind of need their place. 00:52:09.240 --> 00:52:17.240 What I particularly liked about Into the Dalek was that the Doctor was kind of thrown onto the fringes of a Dalek war. 00:52:17.600 --> 00:52:27.980 And so rather than having the Daleks crowbarred into some new particular scenario in space and time, let's say Sheffield 2019, 00:52:28.700 --> 00:52:35.380 you actually have the Doctor going into a situation which is, as it were, the Daleks on their home turf. 00:52:35.560 --> 00:52:42.540 but it's it's and you you there could be some ongoing storyline the dalek conquest of some 00:52:43.180 --> 00:52:47.880 large sector of the universe i mean the problem is with the time war they've sort of they've done 00:52:48.140 --> 00:52:54.360 this and pretty much what else can you do up the daleks but it well i mean so if you look at genesis 00:52:54.520 --> 00:52:59.180 of the daleks which is a good one to look at go watch it it's a good dalek story people um it's 00:52:59.260 --> 00:53:04.680 a doctor like story the doctor is captured by davros davros realizes that he's a time traveler 00:53:04.700 --> 00:53:11.040 and Davros asks him for information, demands information from him on all the Dalek defeats. 00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:17.080 And the Doctor goes over a whole bunch of them, many of which don't sound like they have anything to do with him, right? 00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:21.760 The forces of the universe are out there opposing the Daleks, and they win. 00:53:22.040 --> 00:53:24.240 Sometimes they lose, sometimes they win. 00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:29.500 The Daleks are a force to be reckoned with, but they are not an omnipotent force to be reckoned with. 00:53:29.740 --> 00:53:35.920 And when they stepped up to the level where they are now the omnipotent force that the Time Lords can't take down, now we have a problem. 00:53:37.380 --> 00:53:45.080 Of course, what you've got in Genesis is that they don't even know of the existence of life off of Skaro. 00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:50.500 But by the time you've got the Time War, they have and can use time travel. 00:53:50.770 --> 00:53:51.980 I think that's where it all went wrong. 00:53:52.460 --> 00:53:53.000 I do. 00:53:53.160 --> 00:53:54.160 When they got time travel. 00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:56.860 When they got time travel, it probably was a problem. 00:53:57.320 --> 00:53:59.020 Because it's been a problem for the Time Lords. 00:53:59.520 --> 00:54:01.740 in telling stories, it gets even worse with the Daleks. 00:54:01.810 --> 00:54:02.840 Because where was this? 00:54:03.500 --> 00:54:04.760 Where did this Dalek come from? 00:54:04.950 --> 00:54:06.360 Is it a pre-Time War Dalek? 00:54:07.100 --> 00:54:08.000 It knows about the Doctor. 00:54:08.460 --> 00:54:08.880 I don't know. 00:54:09.220 --> 00:54:09.620 He's just confused. 00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:11.900 Anyhow, let's see. 00:54:11.980 --> 00:54:12.740 What else do we have? 00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:13.800 They defunded Unit. 00:54:14.200 --> 00:54:18.160 I already blew my joke about it being a no-deal Brexit thing from earlier. 00:54:18.560 --> 00:54:18.860 Yeah. 00:54:19.080 --> 00:54:24.680 I saw Gary Gillett make a comment about that. 00:54:25.160 --> 00:54:29.480 He said it would have been better and funnier if they had said... 00:54:29.500 --> 00:54:35.120 If they're going to do the Brexit thing, they should have been even more on the nose and just said that we'd voted to leave unit. 00:54:35.560 --> 00:54:35.820 Yeah. 00:54:36.220 --> 00:54:38.280 It was obviously just there as a gag. 00:54:38.740 --> 00:54:39.320 Who was the gag against? 00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:40.380 It might have been a funny one. 00:54:40.640 --> 00:54:42.020 I couldn't quite figure that out. 00:54:42.080 --> 00:54:43.560 A vote of our security partners. 00:54:43.820 --> 00:54:45.000 Does that mean NATO? 00:54:45.460 --> 00:54:46.600 Does that mean UN? 00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:47.680 Does that mean the United States? 00:54:48.640 --> 00:54:50.080 It's a no-deal Brexit gag. 00:54:50.340 --> 00:54:50.680 It is. 00:54:50.860 --> 00:54:50.980 Okay. 00:54:51.640 --> 00:54:51.820 Okay. 00:54:52.120 --> 00:54:54.220 I wasn't entirely sure. 00:54:54.240 --> 00:55:05.500 Because obviously the purpose of having it there was because having gone and set a Dalek episode on Earth in the early 21st century, they needed to have Unit in it. 00:55:05.500 --> 00:55:09.780 Because otherwise you're there, as I was, going, why aren't you calling Unit? Why aren't you calling Unit? 00:55:10.080 --> 00:55:13.380 So then they explained it, which should mean that I should be happy. 00:55:13.700 --> 00:55:15.960 But Doctor Who fans, never happy. 00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:19.020 No, never happy. You know what the Doctor should have been doing? 00:55:19.680 --> 00:55:22.520 I'm not pleased to have Unit now written. 00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:24.680 I mean, here's the problem with it. 00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:33.960 Well, first of all, I think Unit has been one of the successful evolutions of Stephen Moffat's era. 00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:42.840 I wasn't as keen on the RTD version of Unit, but under Kate Stewart and with Osgood, I really enjoyed Unit stories. 00:55:43.380 --> 00:55:47.700 And Chris Chibnall wrote one of them, a very good one. 00:55:48.300 --> 00:55:55.940 So, and in a similar way, I thought Moffat did a good job creating the cast of characters within the Paternoster gang, 00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:59.520 which the Doctor could also go back and visit their time period. 00:55:59.660 --> 00:56:06.060 You go to these different time periods and then head off into the universe, anytime, anyplace, 00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:13.440 and know that you would be able to come back and pick up the story of Kate Stewart and Osgood or whatever. 00:56:13.780 --> 00:56:21.540 So I particularly don't like being told something monumental has happened to this particular unit outfit, 00:56:21.820 --> 00:56:26.500 particularly not since we're now about seven box sets into the big finish version, 00:56:26.600 --> 00:56:28.580 and I've become even more invested in the characters. 00:56:28.860 --> 00:56:37.000 But even so, even just with the television, I think if there is some drama going on where unit is being shut down, 00:56:37.900 --> 00:56:39.660 and so that's a big deal. 00:56:40.300 --> 00:56:43.120 I want to know what's happened to Kate and Osgood. 00:56:43.560 --> 00:56:45.040 What are they doing about it? 00:56:45.380 --> 00:56:47.040 And are we ever going to see them again? 00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:51.260 Having it as a throwaway line, yeah, it's almost a funny gag. 00:56:51.620 --> 00:56:52.380 I feel like... 00:56:52.380 --> 00:56:54.700 I'm not laughing because I'm too busy feeling bereft. 00:56:54.860 --> 00:56:56.540 I think that they were implying... 00:56:57.300 --> 00:56:58.220 Applying is the wrong word for it. 00:56:58.220 --> 00:57:01.400 I think they were saying outright that this is just a temporary shutdown. 00:57:01.830 --> 00:57:05.300 That they've suspended them temporarily until, you know, this episode's over. 00:57:05.740 --> 00:57:07.120 Until we have a people's website. 00:57:07.130 --> 00:57:07.740 Until we need one. 00:57:08.050 --> 00:57:11.380 Yeah, until we need them for the purposes of a story 00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:13.920 instead of can't have them for the purposes of the story. 00:57:14.200 --> 00:57:16.280 But the doctor would have just picked up the phone 00:57:16.300 --> 00:57:17.860 and called Kate Stewart directly. 00:57:18.120 --> 00:57:21.560 Yeah, I mean, that thought occurred to me. 00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:23.220 I can get the gang back together. 00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:26.420 How come she hasn't got a direct line 00:57:26.660 --> 00:57:27.980 to Kate's mobile or whatever? 00:57:28.240 --> 00:57:30.660 Or look in the directory or however you do that. 00:57:31.720 --> 00:57:34.080 It would have worked with the RTD area unit 00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:36.120 because the doctor didn't really know 00:57:36.340 --> 00:57:37.660 any particular individuals. 00:57:37.900 --> 00:57:44.420 just had he he had a connection with an organization that he had formerly actually 00:57:44.660 --> 00:57:50.340 been employed by so although maybe everyone who he knew there had now moved on it'll make sense 00:57:50.370 --> 00:57:54.580 for him to pick up the phone and see if there was anyone there but that's not the case now 00:57:55.420 --> 00:58:02.180 the doctor the doctor is now personally associated with kifa and kate is the brigadier's daughter so 00:58:02.540 --> 00:58:06.240 obviously he's not going to lose touch with her she's not going to lose touch with her 00:58:06.260 --> 00:58:11.940 Consider the awesome implications of not funding the Black Archive. 00:58:12.300 --> 00:58:15.580 Yes, which got a mention at least on screen. 00:58:16.040 --> 00:58:17.080 Did it? In this episode? 00:58:17.460 --> 00:58:21.320 The Dalek stroke Lynn was Googling or whatever. 00:58:21.520 --> 00:58:23.040 It was a Black Archive webpage. 00:58:23.600 --> 00:58:26.380 Okay. All right. Well, then I didn't see that. 00:58:26.420 --> 00:58:28.780 But yeah, like where is all that stuff? 00:58:28.980 --> 00:58:30.100 Did MDZ buy it all? 00:58:30.620 --> 00:58:32.420 Maybe that's what happened. 00:58:32.680 --> 00:58:35.560 Although you'd think they would have said that in the story. 00:58:35.860 --> 00:58:40.980 Also, and clearly, you know, this is actually probably the most important thing. 00:58:41.260 --> 00:58:47.980 This episode was set in 2019, on the 1st of January, in fact, completely unambiguously, 00:58:48.380 --> 00:58:55.100 which means that we now have one date in the history of UNIT that can't be disputed. 00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:58.640 UNIT were defunded prior to 1st of January 2019. 00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:01.440 I don't know what that does to the rest of UNIT dating. 00:59:02.140 --> 00:59:05.300 No doubt arguments will be raging all over the internet right now. 00:59:05.520 --> 00:59:07.880 but we have one fixed point in time. 00:59:08.220 --> 00:59:08.860 We have no fixed point. 00:59:09.060 --> 00:59:09.540 Yes, we do. 00:59:11.739 --> 00:59:14.400 Now, going back to the legend of the guardians of the, 00:59:14.660 --> 00:59:15.160 whatever they were, 00:59:15.430 --> 00:59:16.300 guardians of the galaxy, 00:59:16.460 --> 00:59:17.420 or the guardians of the, 00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:18.440 what did they call them? 00:59:18.680 --> 00:59:19.780 The Order of the Guardians. 00:59:20.160 --> 00:59:20.920 The Order of the Guardians. 00:59:21.660 --> 00:59:22.400 So they had a battle, 00:59:22.780 --> 00:59:25.160 which called the Battle of Hope Valley. 00:59:25.500 --> 00:59:26.420 They cut the Dalek up, 00:59:26.630 --> 00:59:29.560 and they headed to three far-flung corners of the earth. 00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:31.500 One was the Aleutian Islands, I think. 00:59:31.560 --> 00:59:32.320 One was Siberia. 00:59:33.040 --> 00:59:35.060 And the third guy got cut down on his way, 00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:41.780 somewhere and he got cut down in Sheffield got cut down in Sheffield our archaeologist guy is 00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:46.520 prior to them discovering anything particularly interesting about this guy is trying to make a 00:59:46.570 --> 00:59:49.860 connection between him and the order of the guardians and the battle of Hope Valley which 00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:54.020 to me makes it sound like the battle of Hope Valley must have occurred somewhere in that general area 00:59:54.520 --> 00:59:58.180 otherwise you wouldn't leap to that conclusion right just like he's saying well we're not 00:59:58.380 --> 01:00:03.720 expecting to find Richard III because not in Sheffield obviously but it must tie that battle 01:00:03.740 --> 01:00:05.900 to somewhere in that general area. 01:00:06.100 --> 01:00:08.180 So the Sheffield Guardian didn't get very far. 01:00:08.680 --> 01:00:09.620 That's kind of what I took from it. 01:00:09.620 --> 01:00:11.380 Well, we presume he wasn't going to Sheffield. 01:00:11.680 --> 01:00:12.780 Well, presumably, yeah. 01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:14.880 Maybe he was heading to South America. 01:00:15.860 --> 01:00:16.280 Don't know. 01:00:16.500 --> 01:00:17.820 But he didn't get very far, 01:00:18.140 --> 01:00:20.100 and then some stray guy put an arrow in him 01:00:20.240 --> 01:00:23.120 and didn't even bother to ransack the body for parts 01:00:23.620 --> 01:00:28.300 or money or any meaningful reason for killing him. 01:00:28.600 --> 01:00:30.740 I'm not saying you need a meaningful reason to kill somebody. 01:00:31.100 --> 01:00:31.560 It'd be nice. 01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:36.860 But, you know, shot him with an arrow and they drove off and they just left the body lying there. 01:00:37.270 --> 01:00:45.160 And it literally lay there so long in the middle of a field that it somehow got buried in the very position it was laying in. 01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:47.620 It looked like it was a road, didn't it? 01:00:47.940 --> 01:00:48.880 Yes, it did. 01:00:49.720 --> 01:00:55.900 It's like how many people between the ninth century surely must have driven past that, found the body. 01:00:56.540 --> 01:01:00.140 And it also, you have to get buried somehow. 01:01:00.660 --> 01:01:01.920 And his body would have rotted away. 01:01:02.600 --> 01:01:03.940 Would the Dalek have rotted away? 01:01:04.380 --> 01:01:06.740 The Dalek in the bag is being... 01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:08.960 I'm not sure we know a lot about Dalek biology. 01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:11.500 Well, we know it takes a little ultraviolet light, 01:01:11.590 --> 01:01:13.420 which I think the sun puts out plenty of, 01:01:13.450 --> 01:01:15.200 and it can teleport itself back together. 01:01:15.500 --> 01:01:17.000 So problem solved. 01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:20.040 Dalek should have been running around all those years ago. 01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:23.260 And then, like I said, 01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:26.400 I really thought this was the stupidest plot ever devised by man. 01:01:26.600 --> 01:01:27.740 So they take the three parts of the body. 01:01:27.770 --> 01:01:28.840 They don't try destroying them. 01:01:29.080 --> 01:01:29.840 They cut them up. 01:01:30.260 --> 01:01:31.080 They take them to three different ones. 01:01:31.130 --> 01:01:35.420 They bury them two foot in the ground, 01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:38.600 and then they sit down and wait. 01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:41.420 And they're going to wait forever. 01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:46.220 And generations, which use of the word generations 01:01:46.630 --> 01:01:49.720 usually implies familial descendants. 01:01:50.300 --> 01:01:52.860 How did they even have kids if they spend all their time 01:01:53.080 --> 01:01:54.500 guarding that butt, that sack? 01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:56.100 Like, do they bring him in first? 01:01:56.100 --> 01:01:56.600 They might have done shifts. 01:01:56.980 --> 01:01:59.800 It didn't seem like there was more than one. 01:01:59.860 --> 01:02:01.900 I don't know 01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:03.380 it's just the way it sounded like 01:02:03.620 --> 01:02:05.820 this guy is going to go sit on this thing 01:02:06.250 --> 01:02:07.140 all day and night 01:02:07.980 --> 01:02:09.280 but they had to have kids 01:02:09.520 --> 01:02:11.780 I'm not arguing this is a stupid plot 01:02:12.380 --> 01:02:14.480 but if you're going to insist 01:02:14.620 --> 01:02:15.460 there's only one of them 01:02:16.680 --> 01:02:17.840 well I don't know 01:02:17.980 --> 01:02:19.120 that's a darn good question 01:02:19.230 --> 01:02:20.560 because it doesn't make much sense 01:02:20.850 --> 01:02:21.920 or how did they get kids 01:02:22.050 --> 01:02:25.280 there had to have been at least a support team 01:02:25.420 --> 01:02:26.200 there had to have been people 01:02:27.160 --> 01:02:28.540 how did they get their support team 01:02:28.560 --> 01:02:33.480 we get one guy goes out to the aleutian islands and sits down on the aleutian island digs a hole 01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:37.920 and goes okay now i have to stay here what does he wait for people to come to him and say hey 01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:45.160 really important would you like to join my crazy quest what's this in here no how about not i i 01:02:45.260 --> 01:02:52.320 don't know it just all of it was just really really badly thought out story plot it's like 01:02:52.560 --> 01:02:55.740 Okay, well, the 9th century people were not great thinkers yet. 01:02:58.460 --> 01:03:00.300 That's not even Dark Ages yet, is it? 01:03:00.460 --> 01:03:02.000 That's pre-Dark Ages, or is it? 01:03:02.220 --> 01:03:05.940 I still think you've got to be overlooking something here, 01:03:06.100 --> 01:03:08.420 because why did they go to wherever they were going? 01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:10.880 How did they go to wherever they were going? 01:03:11.180 --> 01:03:11.860 Well, on a horse. 01:03:12.040 --> 01:03:13.340 How did they get to the Aleutian Islands? 01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:16.500 No, it wasn't the Aleutian Islands. 01:03:16.680 --> 01:03:18.160 I'm sorry, it wasn't the Aleutian Islands. 01:03:18.270 --> 01:03:19.660 It was, I don't know. 01:03:20.220 --> 01:03:22.240 I don't know, was the caption not big enough for you? 01:03:22.680 --> 01:03:28.220 well i you know went past and i was drinking tea i don't i didn't type it down lots of tea 01:03:28.660 --> 01:03:32.880 i did not there must have been a reason for them to go there so they must have had 01:03:33.220 --> 01:03:38.420 friends or relatives there who cooked for them and maybe him did the odd shift while they went 01:03:38.490 --> 01:03:45.520 off to um do conjugal stuff i just i just feel like siberia i can believe i i can buy the siberia 01:03:45.540 --> 01:03:55.960 The semi-tropical island just didn't really strike me as within the range of bringing together an army to battle a Dalek in England. 01:03:56.540 --> 01:04:04.840 It felt more like I'm just going to go as far as I possibly can and then I'm going to get in a little canoe or whatever it is they had in the 9th century. 01:04:05.040 --> 01:04:09.760 And I'm going to keep paddling until I bump into an island and that's where I'm going to sit. 01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:13.660 I would have preferred continentally based locations. 01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:22.540 uh you know go to china go to go to go to siberia go to india go go somewhere that you could get 01:04:23.040 --> 01:04:30.560 maybe by land a little more convinced maybe even maybe maybe even africa way down south africa or 01:04:30.680 --> 01:04:39.080 something but i just yeah yeah maybe slightly overthinking this it's what i do it's what i live 01:04:39.060 --> 01:04:47.320 for over thinking tv shows well i'm glad i'm glad you found something in this episode to give you 01:04:47.420 --> 01:04:56.600 such satisfaction uh let's see what else have i got on my notes um oh i should put in there i also 01:04:57.040 --> 01:05:01.000 think that they could have added the opening credits and just deleted the scene with the 01:05:01.220 --> 01:05:06.740 family that's internet went out that was not the most biting social satire i've ever seen 01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:11.380 No, it wasn't. It would have been mildly amusing about 10 years ago. 01:05:11.900 --> 01:05:32.100 Would they possibly be the winners of some contest? Get a scene in Doctor Who's New Year's special on Blue Peter, maybe? Could that have been a Blue Peter contest? Because I can't think of any reason to have that in that episode, unless that's Chris Chibnall's kids, or it's his family, or it's somebody who won a contest. 01:05:32.180 --> 01:05:38.180 I don't think so. I think they went, the casting call must have been for the most miserable bunch of people they could possibly fight. 01:05:40.160 --> 01:05:42.360 That could be Chris Chibnall's kids. I don't know. 01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:44.280 Hey, Dad writes Doctor Who. 01:05:44.680 --> 01:05:46.200 Now all the kids make fun of me at school. 01:05:48.160 --> 01:05:54.660 Every week I go to school and the kids come in and go, you know, there is no way those people could have taken it to the illusion or whatever. 01:05:55.940 --> 01:05:56.700 Right, fine. 01:05:58.300 --> 01:05:58.880 Thanks, Dad. 01:06:00.240 --> 01:06:03.460 I don't know that I have anything else on this episode. 01:06:04.720 --> 01:06:06.340 I didn't hate it. 01:06:07.170 --> 01:06:11.640 I really wish they'd do away with the holiday specials altogether. 01:06:12.660 --> 01:06:13.300 I don't like them. 01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:19.380 I don't think this was any different, really, from a run of the mill. 01:06:19.680 --> 01:06:22.320 This could have been in the regular run of the show. 01:06:22.810 --> 01:06:25.580 Yes, it could have, and it should have been the next week. 01:06:26.460 --> 01:06:26.980 That's fine. 01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:31.900 Well, they're selling it to me for a separate price on DVD and Blu-ray. 01:06:31.950 --> 01:06:33.660 It's only been just over three weeks since the last one came out. 01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:34.000 Right. 01:06:34.430 --> 01:06:35.540 They sell it to you separately. 01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:37.220 It's not part of the box set. 01:06:37.460 --> 01:06:38.840 It used to be part of the box set. 01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:41.700 It used to, and they stopped about Time of the Doctor, I think. 01:06:42.040 --> 01:06:44.380 No, I've got Time of the Doctor on the box set. 01:06:44.680 --> 01:06:45.460 I don't. 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:47.220 I have it as a standalone. 01:06:47.220 --> 01:06:47.780 Maybe it's different in the U.S. 01:06:48.500 --> 01:06:49.320 It might be. 01:06:49.590 --> 01:06:50.080 It might be. 01:06:50.300 --> 01:06:53.220 They certainly, on iTunes, they sold this separately from the series. 01:06:53.720 --> 01:06:55.020 This was another five bucks. 01:06:55.040 --> 01:06:58.220 Twice Upon a Time isn't in the box set, apparently. 01:06:58.300 --> 01:06:59.040 I haven't bought the box set yet. 01:06:59.180 --> 01:07:00.280 Yes, that's one that's not. 01:07:00.340 --> 01:07:01.320 I haven't bought that either. 01:07:01.680 --> 01:07:05.740 And I can't bring myself to buy Twice Upon a Time if it's a separate release. 01:07:06.540 --> 01:07:11.620 But I can't see they're going to include it with the regular Series 10 box. 01:07:12.560 --> 01:07:14.120 Well, look what they did. 01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:16.280 The tribulations of a Doctor Who fan. 01:07:16.540 --> 01:07:21.020 Twice Upon a Time destroyed the ending of Peter Capaldi. 01:07:21.240 --> 01:07:23.360 He had a fabulous out. 01:07:23.680 --> 01:07:27.900 He had a fabulous regeneration scene destroyed by having to have a Christmas special. 01:07:28.260 --> 01:07:29.840 Well, yeah, he didn't have to do it. 01:07:30.030 --> 01:07:32.200 It could have been the next Doctor doing the Christmas special. 01:07:32.500 --> 01:07:38.560 I thought when they had the only time they had a Christmas special introducing a new Doctor, it worked really, really well. 01:07:39.180 --> 01:07:43.860 That's really the only way you can make it fly if it's at the beginning or end of a Doctor's tenure. 01:07:44.740 --> 01:07:45.420 Yeah, make it the beginning. 01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:46.640 Yeah, but... 01:07:47.240 --> 01:07:52.000 Anyway, I think my point about this episode is it could have gone in with the rest. 01:07:52.200 --> 01:07:53.600 So it's a regular episode. 01:07:54.100 --> 01:07:59.180 I'm not a big fan of having a massive season finale, which we didn't this time. 01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:00.020 Yes, I agree. 01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:08.100 And so if he wants to just have a, you know, an episode every week and then a three week gap before the next episode, that's fine. 01:08:08.420 --> 01:08:10.440 It just so happens it wasn't a great episode. 01:08:11.020 --> 01:08:11.520 So what about. 01:08:12.580 --> 01:08:15.020 But I'm not sure it's the worst episode from the run. 01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:20.880 No Christmas episode in 2019, presumably, since they said we're not going to get anything. 01:08:21.240 --> 01:08:22.120 I would guess not. 01:08:22.299 --> 01:08:28.400 So we'll probably be getting Doctor Who in the winter or spring of 2020? 01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:29.660 Spring 20, yeah. 01:08:30.040 --> 01:08:36.020 So it'll be a long time for the New Year's or Christmas special or whatever they're going to have, if anything. 01:08:36.390 --> 01:08:39.180 Well, unless they do a New Year's special next New Year. 01:08:39.460 --> 01:08:41.400 And start the series on January 1? 01:08:41.569 --> 01:08:42.200 They could do that. 01:08:42.500 --> 01:08:43.720 Well, they could do, yeah. 01:08:44.060 --> 01:08:45.160 They did that with Sherlock. 01:08:45.540 --> 01:08:46.480 Yeah, I don't know. 01:08:46.940 --> 01:08:49.400 All right, well, got anything else? 01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:50.839 Nope, I think that's it. 01:08:50.890 --> 01:08:51.620 I think that's it. 01:08:51.859 --> 01:08:58.660 I'll just, I'll be going, I'll be, I guess this, whatever it is, 12, 13, 15 months, 01:08:58.980 --> 01:09:04.380 I've got my new season 12 Blu-ray set and my new season 19 Blu-ray set to watch. 01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:05.420 So I'll cope. 01:09:05.740 --> 01:09:06.080 That's right. 01:09:06.080 --> 01:09:11.920 And we have, you and I have yet another turn at Shada coming up. 01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:12.400 Oh, yes. 01:09:12.799 --> 01:09:15.180 And also the animation. 01:09:15.620 --> 01:09:16.299 What was that off? 01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:17.520 What was that terrible one? 01:09:17.540 --> 01:09:18.339 Macra's coming out this year. 01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:18.980 Which is? 01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:20.460 The Terror of the Macra. 01:09:20.779 --> 01:09:21.600 Oh, Terror of the Macra. 01:09:21.620 --> 01:09:28.819 yes that one yes macro terror yes that's coming out i'm gonna do that one so why that one i don't 01:09:28.819 --> 01:09:34.140 know but we'll be back to our animation and otherwise i think uh i think we've come to the 01:09:34.220 --> 01:09:40.980 end of doctor who for 2018 2019 thank you for the end of the end of 2019's doctor who 01:09:42.180 --> 01:09:48.860 thank you for joining me my pleasure as always episodes and listeners i do hope you'll join us 01:09:48.819 --> 01:09:50.620 all again next time on 01:09:50.779 --> 01:09:51.319 Fusion Patrol. 01:09:57.980 --> 01:09:58.680 You've been listening 01:09:58.860 --> 01:10:01.060 to Fusion Patrol, a listener-supported 01:10:01.300 --> 01:10:02.800 podcast. 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