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each week we take a single episode of a science fiction tv series movie or

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audio and overanalyze it to within an inch of its life welcome to the discussion

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Fusion Patrol. I'm Eugene.

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And I'm Simon.

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And tonight we are looking at season of 2025 of Doctor Who, episode three, The Well.

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Episode synopsis. The TARDIS lands 50,000 years in the future to get another Vindicator reading.

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And with a little anachronistic music and another trip through the close Arraka cycle,

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the Doctor and Belle step out of the TARDIS right into a military dropship and jump down

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to a desolate, inhospitable planet, cut off from both the TARDIS and the dropship, which

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will take another five hours to land.

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Spotted immediately, the Doctor uses the psychic paper to impersonate a superior officer,

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and they are accepted into the party as observers, testing the knowledge and operations of the

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expedition.

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This allows for a convenient info dump

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They are on planet 6767

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Which has a hostile environment bathed in lethal galvanic air radiation

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There is a mining base on the planet with 35 miners

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And all contact was lost with them 15 days ago

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This is a rescue operation

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Inside the base, everyone is dead

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Half of them broken like rag dolls

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The other half shot

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One curious feature of note, all the mirrors have been broken

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Did I say everyone was dead? Strike that. There is one survivor, alone, locked in a large,

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empty, round room. Her name is Alice. She is deaf. She is terrified, wants to go home to her family,

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and she's just sitting there, alone with the corpse of her best friend, whom she was forced

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to shoot and kill. While Belinda treats Alice, the doctor and others go to the mine head and

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discover an 8.05 kilometer deep mine shaft, which has been sabotaged by the mine crew.

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Undoing the sabotage, they begin to retrieve information from the base's control systems.

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Back in the conveniently round room, Belinda keeps thinking she's seen something behind Alice,

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and then she says it isn't there. This makes the other troopers paranoid, and then the phenomena

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spreads to them. They keep seeing something behind Alice and then saying they didn't,

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because there's nothing there. In an effort to make sure nothing is behind her, one of the

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troopers is killed when she is eclipsed by Alice. Observing the recordings from the mine, the doctor

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realizes something is very wrong. And when he learns that this planet is the burnt-out husk of

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the planet once called Midnight, he gets all worried and rushes back to the conveniently

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round room. So, it turns out Alice isn't quite so innocent as she seems. Yes, she's currently the

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host of whatever it is, and she knew that, and she didn't bother to tell them, but she does now.

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There's this thing, and if someone gets behind her, it'll kill that person by smacking them to

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bits. On the other hand, if you kill the host, as she did with her best friend, the creature

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attaches itself to the killer. The doctor suggests not going behind Alice, and the command officer,

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Shayla decides to heed the doctor's advice. Unfortunately, hot-headed second-in-command

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Cassio, who took an instant dislike to the doctor when he called him babes, and I can't say I blame

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him for that, is itching for some proper shooting. And he usurps Shayla's command authority and moves

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around to a position where he and a trooper are in front and in back of Alice. The trooper dies

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a horrible death. So Cassio keeps moving around and killing his troops until Shayla reasserts

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her authority, has Alice force her, and kills Cassio with her back. Luckily, in the 50,000th

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century, mining diamonds makes no sense whatsoever, so there's plenty of mercury at hand for something,

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something, something to the 8.05 kilometer mine shaft. The doctor has Shayla shoot out a mercury

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pipe behind Alice, causing a mirror to make the creature blast itself or Alice. I'm not entirely

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sure, but she's knocked off the creature and they run back to the ship. Unfortunately, Belinda now

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has the creature on her back. Shayla shoots her, taking the creature onto herself, then jumps into

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the 8.05 kilometer mineshaft, imprisoning the creature forever, or at least until it can climb

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back out. Fortunately, Shayla's a really good shot, and Belinda is only mostly dead, and they

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revive her. The Doctor and Belinda go on their way, the soldiers report back to Mrs. Flood at

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their HQ, and then they discover they've still got the creature with them. The end.

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So, first shot, what did you think? I quite enjoyed this one, at least relative to recent

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episodes i guess it had a kind of slightly more traditional base under siege kind of a feel to it

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there were some things in it i didn't particularly like that will come to that felt like intrusions

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into what were an otherwise quite entertaining episode for me but broadly speaking yeah not bad

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I think I might be able to guess what those are, but all right.

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Yeah.

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I, I, you know, not only did I correctly cite Mark last episode that our patrons mark that,

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you know, he just lets us watch the episode so he doesn't have to.

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I have subsequently gotten more feedback from listeners that that's exactly what's happening

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here.

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So, so we're suffering so they don't have to.

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And I'm just going to tell all of you, this actually is probably the best episode they've made since RTD took back over.

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I was going to say JNT took back over.

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Might as well be.

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Since RTD took back over.

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I also have some things about it.

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Shocking.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to take a guess at what you're...

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Anyway, if you want to watch one, Shuri Gatwa, that's not bad.

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Not bad.

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I'll go so far as it's not bad.

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It's very tense.

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It's kind of, as you say, it's got that base.

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My complaint, my biggest complaint,

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apart from the fact that it actually doesn't hold up logically

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if you think about it for very long,

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but is that this is a story that didn't need to be a sequel.

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And if that story needed a sequel, this wasn't it.

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Yeah, I'm not sure that's my biggest complaint,

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but you've definitely hit one of my two complaints.

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And just on that question of the story not standing up and not being logical,

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and also it being the best shooty Gatwa story,

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it's interesting because my friend who's seen all of the shooty Gatwas,

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but not all of Doctor Who,

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and I think has had a much more positive attitude towards this season,

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her first reaction was like, that wasn't so good, was it?

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Interesting.

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I'm not quite in your camp of saying this is the best shooter Gatwa because I did enjoy Joy to the World a lot.

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And I probably think Boom was better than this.

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But I had been having a better time with it.

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Just, you know, the whole kind of atmosphere, there being some good performances in it.

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But when I sort of went into it, I mean, I guess part of it was she hadn't seen Midnight.

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Maybe that was worse.

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It really makes no difference.

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I mean I think it makes no difference but if you haven't seen it and you don't know that it makes

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no difference do you feel like true the rugs being pulled from under you is that but but also

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quite sort of the complaints were the logic of it like how how was it I mean we started I started

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trying to explain some of it which I thought I'd understood but I don't I mean I don't think I had

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understood it properly or it hadn't been thought through properly one or the other but you know

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things about things that should have been put it this way i think we could agree that things that

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should have been signaled better around what it is that causes the entity to you know zip you

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in terms of when you're behind alice and what counts as being behind alice and why you have

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to be on different sides because there are times when she turns around and no one gets harmed and

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then there's the time later on where what's her name the the commander shayla says do shayla

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says do do a 180 in order to for casio to get it because until that point alice's been looking at

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casio and everyone on this side as it were on the opposite side to casio is getting zipped as he kind

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of flails around and when Alice turns around it's him who gets zipped but then earlier in the episode

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when Alice had turned around there was no one on the other side everyone had been fine and you know

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obviously there is a difference there's people not on the other side but it's still a bit right

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uncertain to me then there's all of the stuff about you know whoever kills the person who's

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the host gets the you know that didn't seem to be consistent so there were there were definitely

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some plot holes that or if not plot holes there were some plot points that were not obvious on

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one viewing let me put it yeah that way i'm gonna i'm gonna shock the listeners right now

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i watched it twice so can you explain it well i watched it a second time to see if i could

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understand what I couldn't explain the first time through. And no, it doesn't hold up, but

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it doesn't, it doesn't stand the logic. It's not as bad as it seems first. And I think, you know,

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you, you put a finger on it there. It, it's not, it's not signposted well enough or it's not.

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My thought was it was incompetent direction at first because obviously people are behind Alice.

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And then there's that scene where, which I don't know how this works, but the doctor hugs her and his head is way behind her.

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I mean, it's a big old hug, right?

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The hands, his head's behind it.

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And Belinda's behind him.

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So his head's eclipsed.

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In fact, his head sort of eclipsed by himself.

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So, I mean, why didn't his head get blown off?

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I don't know.

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But, you know, it didn't.

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Yeah, she keeps turning around and people are getting not getting zapped when obviously they would if she had a thing back there.

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But it doesn't work that way.

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It is a it is the act of observing.

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It is a person cannot see another person behind Alice that causes it.

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Makes no sense.

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But when Belinda tries to do the little thing with the nuts on the floor and go, see, it's

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when it's this and it's this black, that doesn't make any sense.

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But once you're in that position, you can see that they didn't violate that rule except

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for the doctor hugging her.

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And then, you know, maybe because it's only partially back there.

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I don't know.

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But that, I guess, I think that was what I kind of got a sense of.

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And in my mind, when I was watching it, I had kind of, I'd kind of, I'd got the gist

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of that without being able to explain it as clearly as you have now.

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So when I had to explain it, I couldn't.

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It sort of made me at the time, but it wasn't clear.

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So the other part that is, I don't like, there's a term for that.

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It's eclipse.

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When someone is eclipsed by Alice, they get blasted, right?

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They never use that word in this episode.

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They, they refer to it like it's a clock and they say, when you're at midnight, you get

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killed.

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Yeah.

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Except it's when you're at six that you get killed.

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I mean, no, no, no, no.

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Well, yeah, yeah.

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It depends on where you are on the clock, right?

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It depends where you are on the clock. And so it's relative to what? And actually, I've just said your explanation made sense. But it's the same thing that happened when
I was watching it. I was like listening to your explanation, nodding along, going, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay. Okay, I can accept all of that.

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And then afterwards, I was thinking, yeah, but why does it make a difference which way Alice is facing? Why does it make a difference which way Alice is facing? Because
the eclipsing that you say is the bit that all makes logical sense to me. And it was then when she turned the 180, that was like, well, how do you decide who's eclipsing
who? There has to be a...

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Because it's on her back.

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But it's not on her back.

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The thing itself is, it is on her back.

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When she turns around, we don't see it.

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Correct.

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But nonetheless, it's still there.

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It's invisible.

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I didn't say I agreed that this was there, but it is on her back.

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I guess there is an explanation to be had there somewhere, which is that it's these two things.

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One, it's on her back, and the other is that there's the eclipsing going on.

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And it's some interaction between those two, at which point it does start to become a bit too complicated for a 45-minute episode.

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Maybe they're related to the Weeping Angels somehow.

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It's an observer thing.

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I don't know.

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It's quantum physics.

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I thought, I was sitting there thinking,

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this is a sequel to late season 30 episode.

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I forget what it is, episode 10 or episode 11.

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I think then the episode, is it immediately following it,

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is turn left with the thing on Donna's back.

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Yeah, that you can't see.

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And I was there going, why is this a sequel to Midnight?

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This doesn't fit as a sequel to Midnight.

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It's looking like it's pretty much like the turn left thing,

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so in the sense that it's a thing on your back.

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Not quite the same, but...

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Like I say, it feels like when they use the clock analogy,

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which is bad, because as you say,

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I mean, who's to say she's facing six o'clock at all times?

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Why wouldn't she be facing midnight and it's people at six o'clock that get blasted?

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But Belinda comes up with that and calls it midnight.

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And it's like, oh, see, it's a joke.

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It's telling you that this planet is midnight, death at midnight.

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It's like, that's just terrible.

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That's just loppy self-congratulatory.

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I don't know.

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It's just it's awkward.

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I don't like it.

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And then let's go, we might as well hit the other thing.

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And I know I said I enjoyed the episode and I come back to that.

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But the other thing about this is that not only does that not make very good sense, although

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the doctor does say it's just toying with us.

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So it's a game.

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I don't know that we thought it was a game in midnight, but that's another story.

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So it is, it is just, it's just screwing with them.

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But what's the deal with Alice being deaf?

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I mean, I know she's deaf, but they hear whispers.

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The people who are the host hear whispers.

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Does the whispers make them go mad?

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Do they do things intentionally?

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Why did they smash the mirrors?

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Did they smash the mirrors because the whispers told them to smash the mirrors?

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Because it knew it would get zapped.

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Who did smash the mirrors?

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The Midnight Entity.

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Was it able to do that separately?

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They don't explain it.

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Who sabotaged the mind?

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They just say that's why it smashed the mirrors, because of the resolution involving the reflections in the mercury.

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But, you know, you break a mirror and you know what you have?

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Two mirrors.

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Yeah.

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There were mirrors still on the wall.

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So there were still reflective forces up there on the wall.

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Why did the miners disable the mine?

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What possible value is?

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Were they mad?

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It's more reflective.

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And when you've got a curtain of mercury, it's not.

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Okay, that one maybe.

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Okay.

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It's not a perfect image like an unbroken mirror.

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It's much more like a broken mirror.

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Okay.

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That explains why they sabotaged the mine.

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So that the mercury wasn't flowing.

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So there wasn't a mirror in the mine ahead.

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Don't explain that in the episode.

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Don't even get close to an explanation of that in the episode.

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But that's a reasonable assumption.

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That's a lot of mercury.

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I mean, that's a lot of mercury.

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If you've got something that can send a blade of mercury down 8.05 kilometers down a shaft, that's a lot of mercury.

00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:45.780
That's a prohibitive amount of mercury.

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But then why disable the logs and the recordings?

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It doesn't make any sense.

00:17:54.020 --> 00:17:59.140
And, you know, why were the people killing them?

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I mean, if they knew what was going on, why didn't the person who had the thing behind them just stand up against a wall and not kill anybody?

00:18:09.860 --> 00:18:11.660
I don't get it.

00:18:12.980 --> 00:18:14.420
It's a creepy setup.

00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:20.480
And if you don't think about it very long, it's like, okay, but what really did happen?

00:18:21.580 --> 00:18:24.800
Was just everybody so stupid that they're just like, oh, well, I see.

00:18:24.850 --> 00:18:26.460
When you shoot them, it jumps onto you.

00:18:26.710 --> 00:18:27.700
So I'll shoot you.

00:18:28.520 --> 00:18:30.440
And she said her friend was coming to kill her.

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How, if they were the last two people there, how would her friend have killed her?

00:18:35.780 --> 00:18:39.220
There aren't three people to create the configuration.

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Oh, I didn't even think of that until now.

00:18:42.380 --> 00:18:43.820
It doesn't make any sense.

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I think in broad strokes, the kind of strengths of the episode are that it's a creepy situation

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in which for your not unjustified criticisms of the direction,

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it does effectively create the tensions.

00:19:01.500 --> 00:19:02.740
And the performances are good.

00:19:03.020 --> 00:19:04.560
I really enjoyed the performances.

00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:07.240
The characters are reasonably interesting.

00:19:08.120 --> 00:19:12.700
The pacing, which I was criticizing a couple of episodes back,

00:19:13.060 --> 00:19:15.160
is actually great in this.

00:19:15.260 --> 00:19:23.980
I think apart from the complexity of the story not really suiting a 45-minute episode, they do well to make use of the time.

00:19:24.560 --> 00:19:28.700
I think the big weakness is the complexity of the episode.

00:19:29.340 --> 00:19:44.980
It needs there to be a much simpler, in the sense of conceptually simpler, form of jeopardy that you can then explore in interesting and complicated ways.

00:19:45.600 --> 00:20:01.740
And because it's referenced in this, it immediately makes me think of Midnight, which is an episode with a bunch of excellent characters, great actors in a very
atmospheric setting, perfectly paced.

00:20:02.340 --> 00:20:24.120
But where, and this is the big difference, I think, where the jeopardy is related to a very, very simple but dramatically effective concept. It's instantaneous to
grasp and yet what they do with it is amazingly effective. And I think that's where this episode is weakest.

00:20:24.800 --> 00:20:33.820
Yeah, there is an over-complexity to how they everything in this episode.

00:20:34.590 --> 00:20:45.460
So, for example, again, I was able to watch it twice, and it really doesn't bother me.

00:20:45.510 --> 00:20:46.460
I mean, there are some things.

00:20:47.760 --> 00:20:50.480
Toxic by Britney Spears, again.

00:20:52.390 --> 00:20:53.740
Get over this, RTD.

00:20:55.000 --> 00:21:01.920
get over it you come on get over it twice in 20 years and it is a great track it is a great track

00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:10.900
it's too many i i you know i've i have the album i'm always very happy to to listen to toxic it's

00:21:10.900 --> 00:21:16.600
the best song on it it's not a bad song i'm not saying that i'm just saying it's just not right

00:21:16.660 --> 00:21:23.780
here it's not right here and it's not right back in the end of the world or whatever it was it was

00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:28.380
exactly right in the end of the world okay here's the thing here's the strange thing and i i meant

00:21:28.560 --> 00:21:32.040
to look this up so i'm going to see if i can quickly find out while i'm making my point but

00:21:32.140 --> 00:21:38.120
the thing about it is that the way it's used in this scene is kind of incidental it's just a bit

00:21:38.120 --> 00:21:46.620
of music to cover the costume change and it's not obvious why why that's wrong is it you know why

00:21:46.820 --> 00:22:04.060
Why do you have it there? Whereas in The End of the World, there's literally some gag in the story about, you know, someone comments on the music that's being played and
it's like, oh no, we can play classical music from Earth as well.

00:22:04.560 --> 00:22:07.840
Okay, you're right. You're right. I forgot that part.

00:22:07.900 --> 00:22:27.720
And the point about it is, and I have looked it up now, 2003, In the Zone came out in 2003. So to the audience watching this in 2005, this would still have been on the radio
all the time. Everyone would be familiar with it. Everyone watching would be familiar with it.

00:22:28.300 --> 00:22:42.100
Whereas the audience now, all the kids watching it are going to be, you know, oh, maybe, maybe that's in dad's record collection. But fundamentally, this is, this is
music from a generation.

00:22:42.220 --> 00:22:42.660
Another era.

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This, this, you know, this is like the Beatles to, to me.

00:22:47.800 --> 00:22:54.220
So, and it has no, it has no thematic tie as far as I can tell to this scene.

00:22:54.280 --> 00:23:01.960
And there's no reason, you know, you shouldn't use, I think there's no reason you shouldn't use pop songs that go along with it.

00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:07.700
There are episodes, I mean, RTD did this a lot more than any of the other showrunners in the 21st century.

00:23:07.980 --> 00:23:13.320
He used pop music just because he wanted to give a scene energy.

00:23:13.800 --> 00:23:19.220
Sometimes he used pop music, like in Father's Day, where you've got like Joy Division and so forth.

00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:28.280
The point is to create that kind of 1987 feeling, but sometimes he just wanted to give a scene energy.

00:23:29.280 --> 00:23:34.680
And that's kind of fine, but it just felt odd here, not least because it was only about five seconds of the song.

00:23:34.940 --> 00:23:40.500
So I commented on it at the time because it just seemed so strange.

00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:45.340
Okay, so here's the other thing that I'm just going to go out here that I am not liking.

00:23:46.040 --> 00:23:47.700
I don't like the close Arrakacycle.

00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:50.260
I mean, no, we've already said that.

00:23:51.220 --> 00:23:58.080
But I'm going to carry this a step further this week because it makes sense.

00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:16.760
Now, if you were the Time Lords and you were creating a time machine that can change into any shape to disguise itself and blend in in any background, you would obviously
have a machine that would scan the exterior of the planet and figure out what you should be wearing.

00:24:17.260 --> 00:24:20.400
so that you look and blend in.

00:24:20.920 --> 00:24:21.700
Makes perfect sense.

00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:23.520
It's an extension of the chameleon circuit,

00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:26.120
which of course doesn't work on the TARDIS.

00:24:27.860 --> 00:24:29.340
Yeah, and you've got to presume this didn't work

00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:30.920
in the Sixth Doctor's time as well.

00:24:31.540 --> 00:24:34.500
Maybe that's why he keeps getting his costume the way it does.

00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:36.460
But, you know, it's just...

00:24:36.460 --> 00:24:38.000
Colin Baker would have loved it if it had.

00:24:38.620 --> 00:24:42.300
Yeah, so it is an oddball, but okay.

00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:46.220
It puts them in exactly the right spacesuit they need

00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:53.060
when they step outside the door into a dropship, which has a bunch of people in those exact same

00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:59.700
spaceships and a rack of helmets for exactly the number of people that are in that room,

00:25:00.660 --> 00:25:09.500
including the doctor and Belinda. It's like, neat trick. I mean, to me, I don't see the point.

00:25:09.840 --> 00:25:17.360
I don't see the point. It's not like there is any plot reason for the Doctor and Belinda

00:25:18.020 --> 00:25:25.720
to pass because almost immediately it's like, who are these people? And then the Doctor has to do

00:25:25.800 --> 00:25:31.840
this paper thing and et cetera, et cetera. And so if they're going to stand out anyway, which

00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:39.580
they almost immediately do, why not have them wearing something that looks a bit more Doctor

00:25:40.280 --> 00:25:47.340
rather than a bit more alien yeah i i mean it's it's it's there strictly to serve

00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.800
the hey wouldn't it be cool if we put them in there and kicked them out of a spaceship

00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:56.980
and they didn't have the tardis yeah but yeah okay so they've they've got it they've got to be

00:25:57.700 --> 00:26:02.660
they've got to get onto the planet but they could have just yeah yeah they've got it they've got it

00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:09.560
they've got to get separated i don't i don't think

00:26:09.600 --> 00:26:18.400
do that that is less clunky than this whole wardrobe thing would be impossible and we can

00:26:18.540 --> 00:26:24.800
never have them go outside in silly clothes again well yeah but it's but it's also it's also the

00:26:24.800 --> 00:26:34.040
case that when the other thing that the the the suits do is that they provide the subtitles for

00:26:34.180 --> 00:26:40.720
the hard of hearing which are pretty neat i thought they did not actually and well it was

00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:46.980
a separate device they put a button on it was a it was it was something that all the other suits

00:26:47.260 --> 00:26:54.700
already had fitted but the doctor belinda's did not so it was literally like and yet conveniently

00:26:55.160 --> 00:27:00.660
and again my friend pointed out this slightly illogical point they're carrying around like

00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:05.660
spare buttons with them so they can just hand them over to the doctor and belinda

00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:10.200
were the buttons on the other people were they on the part of the suit that the doctor and belinda

00:27:10.380 --> 00:27:16.940
removed no idea yeah it's possible that they were on the you know they they removed their stuff so

00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:22.940
they'd look a little different which i think is you know okay but it's still like we've just

00:27:23.190 --> 00:27:26.500
removed yeah but this is why they got spare buttons yeah there was this whole plot contrivance

00:27:26.520 --> 00:27:29.460
to put them in this.

00:27:29.800 --> 00:27:31.920
I do think it was to visually

00:27:32.919 --> 00:27:33.720
differentiate them

00:27:34.840 --> 00:27:36.000
from everybody else.

00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:38.300
Just so that the audience watching

00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:40.280
would be able to identify Belinda

00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:42.420
and the doctor from all the other people

00:27:42.620 --> 00:27:43.920
wearing exactly the same clothes.

00:27:44.700 --> 00:27:45.960
And I know that sounds terrible,

00:27:46.740 --> 00:27:48.180
but I think that's why it was.

00:27:48.800 --> 00:27:50.460
Because it didn't really add any jeopardy

00:27:50.500 --> 00:27:51.100
to the story.

00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:53.400
It didn't, but again, I'd be like,

00:27:53.900 --> 00:27:56.480
they could have just

00:27:56.500 --> 00:28:00.760
kept contrived a reason why they're still wearing the costumes from luxe if they were wearing

00:28:01.940 --> 00:28:07.480
1950s american outfits they would have stood out even more i i just feel like they well of course

00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:11.360
they wouldn't survive the drop if they'd stepped out there into the thing at that point but no they

00:28:11.460 --> 00:28:17.480
need i think he should have been wearing a scarf the clothes aracocycle should put a scarf on him

00:28:17.840 --> 00:28:22.799
every damn time oh scarf and he just like i don't know steps out like no i'm not wearing that takes

00:28:22.820 --> 00:28:28.500
it off every freaking time that would be a good gag actually i would yeah i would like that yeah

00:28:29.520 --> 00:28:34.880
it's just it's like this would be a cool idea yeah it's it is kind of a cool idea and it gives

00:28:34.890 --> 00:28:40.560
you that that jeopardy in the opening part of the episode but it ultimately really has nothing to do

00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:50.780
with with with anyway so i yeah it's also it's an interesting idea again interesting idea about

00:28:51.380 --> 00:28:57.920
well, we put you on a ship and then we kick you off the ship because the ships can't land right

00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:03.800
away. So it was urgent that we got down there five hours earlier than the ship could get there.

00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:09.160
Really? Did the five hours matter that much when the mine has been silent for 15 days?

00:29:09.980 --> 00:29:14.980
Would that be how I would send my troops in? Let's send them in without the backup.

00:29:15.740 --> 00:29:20.500
Sure. No, that would not be how I do it. I just let them ride five hours down.

00:29:20.980 --> 00:29:26.260
and go it's a necessary part of the process but there you go that's just that's health and safety

00:29:26.380 --> 00:29:32.420
gone mad that's you know you've been health and safety by the blob send send them down into the

00:29:32.560 --> 00:29:37.840
danger that's what i say yeah they don't need a ship whatever but well i was just gonna i was

00:29:37.840 --> 00:29:42.220
gonna pick up on one of the one of the things that you mentioned about you know what what was

00:29:42.220 --> 00:29:49.620
the significance of of having a deaf character in this which touches on i think conversation we had

00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:56.640
around before the conversation that certainly went on around before the flood there is there

00:29:56.760 --> 00:30:03.280
is a kind of there is a plot point in this it's like that she couldn't hear the the voices because

00:30:04.080 --> 00:30:09.440
she couldn't hear yeah but but there was a nothing comes of it that's a kind of fairly incidental

00:30:10.120 --> 00:30:14.580
point and there was a much bigger kind of the deaf character in before the flood it was

00:30:14.600 --> 00:30:21.440
instrumental to the resolution of the story that she could not hear. And I remember at the time,

00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:25.620
the discussions around, why can't you just, you know, why can't this just be representation?

00:30:25.980 --> 00:30:33.880
We've had it in lots of other respects. RTD, obviously, hugely important the way he has

00:30:34.540 --> 00:30:44.560
portrayed gay characters. And then since the show has come back, also transsexual characters. And

00:30:44.580 --> 00:30:48.000
There's a lot of representation of different groups going on.

00:30:48.520 --> 00:30:54.180
We haven't had any other deaf characters since Before the Flood, unless I have completely forgotten something.

00:30:54.520 --> 00:30:55.460
I think you're probably right.

00:30:57.300 --> 00:31:04.100
So in a way, I was kind of hoping there would be nothing about...

00:31:04.320 --> 00:31:08.420
There's a slightly heavy-handed thing of like, oh, you're a nurse and you don't know BSL.

00:31:08.780 --> 00:31:11.760
That's illegal, which I didn't see.

00:31:11.800 --> 00:31:13.360
Wait, was that BSL or ASL?

00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:18.840
Good point. It can't be either because neither Britain nor America exist.

00:31:19.600 --> 00:31:21.880
It must be LSL, Federation.

00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:31.360
Yeah, I was, and obviously I, well, not obviously. People may not know, but I'm not fluent in either.

00:31:32.040 --> 00:31:36.320
I don't even know what the differences are. I wouldn't have been able to tell you what was being signed.

00:31:37.180 --> 00:31:38.320
So I don't know.

00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:44.100
I think the doctor repeatedly signed I'm hungry when he rubbed his belly.

00:31:44.460 --> 00:31:46.160
But yeah, a little circle thing.

00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:47.400
But sorry, I'm hungry.

00:31:48.660 --> 00:31:49.060
But yeah.

00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:55.600
I did quite like, as I said, I did quite like the buttons that provided the subtitles.

00:31:55.740 --> 00:32:03.520
That seems like both quite a neat kind of implementation of the technology in terms of interface design.

00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:12.680
But it is also something that is kind of coming into reality at this point.

00:32:13.020 --> 00:32:30.520
I've been involved in various discussions around, you know, when you capture kind of teaching sessions, the kind of legal requirements that you provide different
formats, which should include making it accessible to deaf viewers.

00:32:31.520 --> 00:32:49.320
And one of the kind of useful, actually useful purposes of so-called AI, generative AI using large language models is the fact that automatic subtitling is becoming
that much more accurate, but also that much more fast.

00:32:49.460 --> 00:32:51.120
And so now there are apps available.

00:32:51.220 --> 00:33:06.880
So not only can you kind of process videos on a server once they've been recorded and before you make them available to students that way, you can actually just get an app
on your phone, have it sat in front of you in the lecture theater, so you're not having to wait for a recording.

00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:12.560
You're there live and your phone is giving you subtitles.

00:33:12.600 --> 00:33:24.060
Now they're not 100% accurate, whereas in the story, they managed to actually spell Alice, presumably how the character's name is spelt, because it wasn't how I would
have spelled Alice.

00:33:24.690 --> 00:33:30.880
So they're taking it to a point beyond where I think it is in common use right now.

00:33:30.950 --> 00:33:36.780
But it's the five seconds ahead technology, but I liked it.

00:33:37.080 --> 00:33:57.340
Let me ask this question. And this is just, does not have any, there's no intention behind this question. If somebody wants to try to read it into it, there's nothing in
here. This is just me looking at the technology and saying, you know, as you say, generative AI is producing better and better transcripts.

00:33:57.660 --> 00:33:59.040
They're still not good enough.

00:33:59.520 --> 00:34:00.420
Otherwise, we'd have them.

00:34:01.220 --> 00:34:11.320
But because it's I there are still too many times and get ready for the bleep button where one of us says something and the transcript says, oh, they said it.

00:34:12.040 --> 00:34:13.120
And we didn't.

00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:14.360
Not even close.

00:34:15.899 --> 00:34:16.040
Nothing.

00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:17.399
Nothing even close.

00:34:17.790 --> 00:34:20.139
I mean, like, yep, can't let these go.

00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:21.820
Can't let these go out.

00:34:22.240 --> 00:34:25.360
And so it's not there yet.

00:34:25.560 --> 00:34:27.580
And I have some pretty decent tools for it.

00:34:28.300 --> 00:34:34.659
And we ask ourselves the question, and this is the part I want to say, how much time and

00:34:35.020 --> 00:34:43.260
effort and money is spent accommodating what is the percentage of people who are afflicted

00:34:43.720 --> 00:34:44.340
in this way?

00:34:44.980 --> 00:34:48.919
And I think far more likely that we just didn't see it.

00:34:49.179 --> 00:34:53.139
This technology is designed to translate languages for them.

00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:59.980
So you go somewhere where you don't speak Chinese and you flip that on and it's doing

00:35:00.200 --> 00:35:04.120
real-time Chinese translation, which also there's AI models can do.

00:35:04.550 --> 00:35:09.980
Although obviously you have to speak an entire sentence before it can translate.

00:35:10.670 --> 00:35:14.520
But the point about that, again, is very similar to the technologies that we're seeing now

00:35:14.550 --> 00:35:20.120
in the sense that what they were originally developed for is not necessarily, you know,

00:35:20.220 --> 00:35:27.900
They can be useful for those things, but they're finding other uses or people are finding them useful in ways that were not necessarily predicted.

00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:47.880
And so one of the interesting things around this, again, kind of when I was looking into the way in which people are using subtitles for material like lectures, is that
actually, you know, in a broader, more general sense, the numbers of people using subtitles is very high.

00:35:48.660 --> 00:35:59.080
It's been literally in the news this week because Netflix has rolled out an option with subtitles.

00:35:59.110 --> 00:36:00.620
So now they've had to differentiate.

00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:05.720
You've got English closed captions, which is, I think, American for subtitles.

00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:08.660
But you've also just got English.

00:36:08.990 --> 00:36:17.740
And the difference is that the kind of standard version is intended for hard of hearing.

00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:21.940
and therefore includes all of the sound effects.

00:36:22.060 --> 00:36:24.300
Tune playing in the background.

00:36:24.910 --> 00:36:25.080
Yeah.

00:36:25.220 --> 00:36:26.780
Cats screaming, babies crying.

00:36:27.030 --> 00:36:28.500
All of that kind of thing.

00:36:28.940 --> 00:36:30.040
What they've discovered,

00:36:30.350 --> 00:36:34.020
and I've seen research which shows the proportion of this is higher,

00:36:34.820 --> 00:36:37.800
but I think it was done on a different user base.

00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:40.460
It might have been the British TV viewers,

00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:43.000
but from Netflix research,

00:36:43.340 --> 00:36:45.440
they're saying that even so,

00:36:45.540 --> 00:36:47.420
at least 50% of their audience,

00:36:48.200 --> 00:36:55.440
are using the subtitles it's much much higher than the the non-hearing section of the audience

00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:04.420
people find accessing the material using subtitles for various reasons something that they that they

00:37:04.500 --> 00:37:09.340
want to do so i you know again it's the the technology gets developed for one reason and

00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:17.740
used in another way that isn't expected. I have by default subtitles on everything.

00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:28.080
And we could argue I'm getting older and there is some history of hearing loss in my genetic line,

00:37:28.780 --> 00:37:35.900
but there is no measurable evidence that I'm suffering from hearing loss. Although I can't

00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:39.040
hear the sounds, teenagers can hear those, those super high pitched noises.

00:37:39.210 --> 00:37:45.700
I have to admit those are, I can drive the kids nuts with those, but I can't, I cannot

00:37:45.980 --> 00:37:46.180
hear them.

00:37:46.980 --> 00:37:51.380
But, you know, in the normal hearing ranges, not really any appreciable loss.

00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:58.200
However, it is absolutely true that if I'm listening to a British program, it helps to

00:37:58.280 --> 00:37:59.700
have the subtitles on.

00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:00.560
Oh, yes.

00:38:00.570 --> 00:38:01.960
And we'll come back to those terms in a second.

00:38:02.900 --> 00:38:03.360
Well, sometimes.

00:38:04.200 --> 00:38:04.280
Yeah.

00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:05.240
Sometimes.

00:38:06.040 --> 00:38:12.060
Not always, but also the speed that some British dialects speak at.

00:38:13.210 --> 00:38:14.840
But it's not just that.

00:38:15.500 --> 00:38:16.160
It's not that.

00:38:16.700 --> 00:38:28.420
I can watch old British programs and I can watch old American programs and not have the slightest problem understanding what they're saying.

00:38:29.050 --> 00:38:31.840
But modern programs, the mix is wrong.

00:38:32.420 --> 00:38:33.460
The mix is wrong.

00:38:33.820 --> 00:38:37.240
There's something wrong with the audio mix in current programs.

00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:38.940
Maybe they think it's more realistic.

00:38:39.680 --> 00:38:40.420
I don't know.

00:38:41.140 --> 00:38:48.460
But it's harder, both American and British shows, to watch it without subtitles.

00:38:48.700 --> 00:38:50.680
So turn them on and just leave them on.

00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:51.420
It's fine.

00:38:51.560 --> 00:38:55.380
I think, I mean, I'm not going to quibble with the mix.

00:38:55.460 --> 00:38:56.580
I think you're right.

00:38:57.240 --> 00:39:00.300
But I think it may not be the whole story.

00:39:00.620 --> 00:39:20.320
I think there is a difference in technique, which probably owes something to the fact that a lot of, you know, the old TV that you're referring to would be from an era when
most actors would also have been stage and would have been trained in stage acting.

00:39:20.520 --> 00:39:29.720
And the kind of traditions and differences between stage and television would have been actually much less than the differences between television and film.

00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.960
Whereas now it feels much more like television and film are much closer.

00:39:35.420 --> 00:39:46.260
And so a lot of actors go straight into one or the other without having kind of been actors formed to an audience of a thousand people.

00:39:46.680 --> 00:39:50.980
Well, it's a form of acting, but it's not it's not like declaiming.

00:39:51.560 --> 00:39:53.140
Sorry, I was picking on Tom Cruise.

00:39:55.050 --> 00:39:57.880
Yeah, it's not it's it's not the same.

00:39:58.240 --> 00:39:58.920
It's not the same.

00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:22.640
So I think in some ways, what you get from the kind of TV and film technique that has probably been honed by those people who have dedicated all of their craft to it is the
kind of the realism that you get and the kind of intimacy of the performances.

00:40:22.700 --> 00:40:33.380
The downside is you don't get people kind of really announcing their speeches in a way that mean that you will not miss a single word.

00:40:34.100 --> 00:40:38.180
then I think that's a failure.

00:40:39.010 --> 00:40:42.280
Because if a program is not communicating,

00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:46.160
if the program is not conveying what it's trying to convey to the audience

00:40:46.799 --> 00:40:53.280
effectively, then they have missed what they are attempting to do,

00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:54.780
which is to reach the audience.

00:40:55.370 --> 00:40:58.720
It may be more naturalistic, it may be more real,

00:40:59.540 --> 00:41:05.280
But it's not doing the job of, and so if we have to augment it with these subtitles,

00:41:05.780 --> 00:41:09.740
which by the way, I believe, because I read an article on this a while back, and maybe

00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:16.580
it is strictly in Americanism, but people do get people, some people, I can't say all

00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:24.140
people, people who are afflicted with forms of hearing loss, do get a little pedantic

00:41:24.140 --> 00:41:30.320
about the difference between closed captions and subtitles not the same thing i think those

00:41:30.640 --> 00:41:37.080
captions are the thing with baby crying and background music britney spears toxic playing

00:41:37.460 --> 00:41:44.320
vorp vorp that's closed captions i think subtitles are just subtitles i think subtitles are not

00:41:44.580 --> 00:41:50.460
necessarily closed captions i believe that the actual technical difference is that closed captions

00:41:50.660 --> 00:41:59.760
are not displayed by default or are optional, if you like, as opposed to burned in subtitles,

00:42:00.260 --> 00:42:03.980
which can't be removed. But I may be getting a bit technical.

00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:10.920
Well, I think closed caption technically also has a specific or had a specific technological

00:42:12.020 --> 00:42:18.740
component to it. In other words, there used to be a device that was a closed caption,

00:42:19.340 --> 00:42:27.480
received the closed caption signal. So I seem to recall a time before TVs all had built in.

00:42:27.780 --> 00:42:34.400
It was a device. It's the way in which you can include a separate text stream that does not

00:42:34.520 --> 00:42:42.880
have to be displayed. But closed captioned, that term should include the descriptions of the audio

00:42:43.020 --> 00:42:44.660
because that's its purpose.

00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:48.160
I'm not sure that that's the original meaning,

00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:49.400
but I get it.

00:42:49.460 --> 00:42:50.940
I get that it has become that.

00:42:51.540 --> 00:42:52.700
Yeah, well, words change.

00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:56.240
Deal with it, people.

00:42:56.780 --> 00:42:58.000
But that is my understanding.

00:42:58.000 --> 00:42:59.700
I mean, why Netflix are using it?

00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:01.000
Well, Netflix.

00:43:01.720 --> 00:43:03.920
Actually, well, you see,

00:43:04.100 --> 00:43:05.900
I think Netflix has always had

00:43:06.160 --> 00:43:07.200
quote unquote subtitles.

00:43:07.660 --> 00:43:09.060
It's not a question of whether or not

00:43:09.140 --> 00:43:10.780
it's closed captioned or not.

00:43:10.940 --> 00:43:12.040
It's whether they've got anything

00:43:12.060 --> 00:43:17.300
to stick on the screen, which is why they just have subtitles on and off kind of thing.

00:43:17.980 --> 00:43:27.240
So I think that's part of the gripey gripe is that sometimes it is what people need

00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:29.660
and other times it is not.

00:43:30.270 --> 00:43:32.120
And there was no clear differentiation.

00:43:33.130 --> 00:43:34.260
So because it does.

00:43:35.340 --> 00:43:37.580
But speaking of speaking of the closed captions.

00:43:37.680 --> 00:43:43.560
So this week, the Doctor Who episode, when the TARDIS took off, it said vorp, vorp.

00:43:44.380 --> 00:43:53.540
And last week, it said space engine or something like that, which I thought was really weird.

00:43:54.220 --> 00:43:58.060
I just figured that was Disney somehow inserting their hand on it.

00:43:58.700 --> 00:44:01.600
But anyway, neither here nor there.

00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:02.580
Let's see.

00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:06.740
So I wanted to bring up good things or things.

00:44:07.560 --> 00:44:08.460
We can call them good things.

00:44:08.940 --> 00:44:11.480
Co-written with Sharma Angel Waffle.

00:44:11.780 --> 00:44:12.040
Waffle?

00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:12.560
Waffle?

00:44:14.520 --> 00:44:15.340
I'm going with Waffle.

00:44:15.660 --> 00:44:20.980
But who apparently grew up a big fan of RTD era Doctor Who.

00:44:21.620 --> 00:44:26.500
So this is the next generation of Who fans coming back.

00:44:27.200 --> 00:44:30.720
And is it really surprising that they might want to do a sequel to an episode that they

00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:31.820
remember for when they were?

00:44:32.500 --> 00:44:32.640
Yeah.

00:44:33.390 --> 00:44:37.120
Wish it had been more of a logical sequel, but yeah.

00:44:37.600 --> 00:44:38.780
Well, I don't listen.

00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:40.640
Actually, I don't care for Midnight.

00:44:40.790 --> 00:44:44.880
I don't hate it, but it's a shuttle full of people talking.

00:44:45.380 --> 00:44:45.820
Midnight.

00:44:46.030 --> 00:44:48.060
I don't know if it's in my top 10 Doctor Who episodes.

00:44:48.420 --> 00:44:52.140
It's one of my favorite things that Russell T. Davis has written.

00:44:52.230 --> 00:44:53.660
I think it's superb.

00:44:53.710 --> 00:44:56.260
It's probably one of my top 10 from that year.

00:44:58.160 --> 00:44:59.620
I would go so far as to say that.

00:45:00.300 --> 00:45:01.680
I don't hate Midnight.

00:45:02.100 --> 00:45:03.680
I just like, yeah, right.

00:45:04.270 --> 00:45:04.680
I don't know.

00:45:04.710 --> 00:45:05.740
I don't get that.

00:45:06.260 --> 00:45:11.440
I thought it was outstanding television, not just outstanding Doctor Who.

00:45:12.059 --> 00:45:13.520
It's very, very good.

00:45:14.160 --> 00:45:24.760
I get the fact that the fans want to write about the Doctor Who that they loved or that got them into it.

00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:35.780
It's what happened in the wilderness years, the novels and so forth are kind of full of those sequels and nods and throwbacks.

00:45:37.140 --> 00:45:41.180
It's what Russell T. Davis did not do when he brought the show back.

00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:44.100
Well, he did bring in some of those writers, though.

00:45:44.700 --> 00:45:47.840
Oh, he brought in some of those writers, but he was overseeing it.

00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:54.700
It was two and a bit series in before in Gridlock we got the Macra.

00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:59.280
in a kind of completely incidental appearance.

00:45:59.340 --> 00:46:00.480
Pointlessly, yeah.

00:46:00.640 --> 00:46:03.040
You know, it was just a kind of nod to it.

00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:05.120
And he was very careful there, I think,

00:46:05.260 --> 00:46:07.420
about not alienating the audience who hadn't seen it,

00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:11.060
whereas what he's doing here is bringing something back

00:46:11.300 --> 00:46:14.760
from 11 seasons ago that, as you've mentioned,

00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:18.360
doesn't really, it doesn't add anything to this episode

00:46:18.500 --> 00:46:19.960
to make it a sequel to anything.

00:46:20.160 --> 00:46:25.320
It certainly doesn't kind of match up to what it's a sequel to.

00:46:26.040 --> 00:46:29.220
So it invites unfair comparisons, I think.

00:46:29.900 --> 00:46:34.160
I feel it would have been better if they had just stripped that out completely.

00:46:34.420 --> 00:46:36.240
I don't know whether it was...

00:46:36.240 --> 00:46:37.200
It feels like it's tacked on.

00:46:37.780 --> 00:46:38.380
Well, I don't know.

00:46:38.580 --> 00:46:42.120
Or it's something that came that was more kind of...

00:46:42.120 --> 00:46:46.800
The original idea was somehow to do a sequel and it kind of evolved into something that

00:46:46.820 --> 00:46:52.700
operated in a very different way to the way that the Midnight Entity did in the original,

00:46:53.380 --> 00:46:59.560
in which case, you know, is the link really valid anymore? Whether that came from Sharma

00:46:59.820 --> 00:47:05.920
Angel Waffle or from RTD himself, you know, kind of giving himself a nod, I'm not clear,

00:47:06.660 --> 00:47:11.240
but he's the showrunner. He should have gone, this doesn't work.

00:47:11.420 --> 00:47:21.360
my second viewing on this, I was kind of, you know, keeping an eye on it because that was the

00:47:21.370 --> 00:47:29.680
other question is like, how is this a sequel to Midnight? And I think, I genuinely believe that

00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:36.420
this story was written without it being a sequel to Midnight. And then for some reason, it was

00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:44.620
shoehorned in. So all we needed, all we needed was a planet that had a Cytonic sun because we

00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:48.880
have experienced planets that have life on them that of a type we can't understand,

00:47:50.060 --> 00:47:56.820
like the creature on midnight. And the doctor, you know, this is a ex-Cytonic sun. And we're like,

00:47:57.080 --> 00:48:03.820
no, I've been on a planet before where there was something. This could be related, you know,

00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:08.560
not necessarily genetically related but in other words a similar process of evolution brings up

00:48:08.700 --> 00:48:14.380
something like it if if that's what they wanted to do but it just it just doesn't but the number

00:48:14.380 --> 00:48:19.660
of times have been similar stories in doctor who and they haven't linked them right right it's

00:48:19.700 --> 00:48:25.040
unnecessary and it's it's another thing i think okay hold on the universe but i also think that

00:48:25.140 --> 00:48:31.380
there's got to be something like this whole it's so it's there's so much of this going on there's

00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:36.840
so much crowbarring in these kind of continuity references that I'm coming to the conclusion that

00:48:37.420 --> 00:48:42.340
Russell T Davies is deliberately trying to sabotage the marketing of this as being

00:48:42.730 --> 00:48:48.820
season two of Doctor Who. He's like, well, okay, Disney can call this season two,

00:48:49.660 --> 00:48:56.700
but I'm going to refer to a story that happened 17 years ago so that the audience know that this

00:48:56.720 --> 00:48:59.500
is part of a continuous show.

00:49:00.340 --> 00:49:02.440
Okay, but he's also referencing something else.

00:49:03.140 --> 00:49:05.720
And I think this is more meaningful.

00:49:06.620 --> 00:49:06.740
Okay.

00:49:07.640 --> 00:49:08.980
One, at the end of this episode,

00:49:09.500 --> 00:49:11.840
do you get the impression that the creature got off the planet?

00:49:12.500 --> 00:49:12.660
Yeah.

00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:16.460
I mean, all Dom has to do is to turn the ship around

00:49:16.660 --> 00:49:18.520
and smash into the planet and kill all of them.

00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:19.540
And they're fine.

00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:23.380
But since she already followed the orders to nuke it from order,

00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:25.020
she knew what her commander did.

00:49:25.120 --> 00:49:26.260
She knows what needs to be done.

00:49:26.340 --> 00:49:28.440
she could just turn around and blast it.

00:49:28.580 --> 00:49:29.780
Unless the whispering stops her.

00:49:29.830 --> 00:49:34.400
See, again, that whole bit about why is Alice deaf?

00:49:34.660 --> 00:49:36.220
They do make a point of it.

00:49:36.230 --> 00:49:40.060
The doctor literally says, oh, you can't hear the whispering.

00:49:40.420 --> 00:49:41.840
But what does the whispering do?

00:49:42.220 --> 00:49:46.520
And they made a point of it and they ignored it and they just left it hanging and don't

00:49:46.620 --> 00:49:46.800
like it.

00:49:46.810 --> 00:49:50.120
But anyway, maybe, you know, maybe that makes them go intentionally kill.

00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:51.320
That that's kind of thing.

00:49:51.740 --> 00:49:52.580
OK, so she can smash it.

00:49:52.590 --> 00:49:54.200
But maybe the creature got off the client.

00:49:54.520 --> 00:50:00.780
But remember, what was this? It was galvanic radiation. Where have we heard galvanic radiation

00:50:01.160 --> 00:50:06.340
before? The giggle, the beam that shot the doctor that caused the bi-generation,

00:50:07.260 --> 00:50:11.660
galvanic radiation. Can't be coincidence.

00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:14.300
Counterpoint. Yes, it can.

00:50:15.560 --> 00:50:16.500
Well, yeah.

00:50:16.640 --> 00:50:20.220
He does this all the time. He's like, I've invented some kind of...

00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:24.640
So I am attributing actual plotting to RTD, which is a mistake.

00:50:24.860 --> 00:50:26.880
And he likes the words.

00:50:26.990 --> 00:50:29.620
He likes the words and he just wants to use it as much as he can.

00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:32.120
So I don't know that you're wrong.

00:50:32.500 --> 00:50:37.140
I'm just not convinced that he's planned this out that well.

00:50:37.430 --> 00:50:37.920
Fair enough.

00:50:38.260 --> 00:50:39.040
It's not planned out.

00:50:39.380 --> 00:50:43.960
I'm going to go out there and say that also I am, you know, again,

00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:47.940
I'm disliking the Mrs. Flood stuff.

00:50:48.080 --> 00:50:59.300
I'm disliking it even more in this episode because now it's just Sue tech or whatever her name was again, just showing up wherever it is at the end.

00:50:59.380 --> 00:51:10.040
And now, you know, here I'm a military commander and it was one thing when she's kind of a wacky old lady on earth that seems to be next door and you know, something's up.

00:51:10.580 --> 00:51:17.180
And it's another now that she's now appearing like that woman did in Space Babies.

00:51:17.910 --> 00:51:21.080
And in fact, this is very much like the way she turned up in Space Babies.

00:51:22.720 --> 00:51:31.260
It's also very much like the whole forgetting the Beatles existed or not forget, you know, not knowing.

00:51:31.630 --> 00:51:33.260
I'm sure we've I'm sure we've had this before.

00:51:33.350 --> 00:51:39.080
And I'm now starting to get confused whether I'm thinking about Big Finish because I think they did this quite a while ago.

00:51:39.660 --> 00:51:43.060
in the run-up to Time of the Daleks with Shakespeare,

00:51:44.580 --> 00:51:47.480
no one remembering Shakespeare and, you know, why is that?

00:51:47.630 --> 00:51:49.900
I think they did it last season with the Beatles

00:51:50.210 --> 00:51:52.300
and why don't people remember the Beatles?

00:51:53.220 --> 00:51:58.200
I just, I thought that, first of all, it's very heavy-handed,

00:51:58.820 --> 00:52:02.960
all of the kind of, you know, everyone should know about Earth.

00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:06.240
First of all, they have to establish that everyone should know about Earth,

00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.480
which isn't like a consistent thing through Doctor Who.

00:52:09.620 --> 00:52:17.460
They've got to establish that in this era, they're in a time and place where people should know Earth and should know the human race.

00:52:17.900 --> 00:52:19.720
So they first of all have to establish that.

00:52:19.900 --> 00:52:27.900
Then they have to bring it into conversation at points where it doesn't naturally fit into conversation.

00:52:28.720 --> 00:52:39.640
That's all bad enough because that feels like, oh, the episode is just going to grind to a halt while we get a bit of series, you know, season plot development occurring.

00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:55.920
But then when they actually get to resolving it in whatever way they do resolve it with the shooting of Belinda, they have to add in dialogue to like say, whatever these
humans are, do they have a similar anatomy to Lombardo anatomy?

00:52:56.020 --> 00:53:04.460
me and it's like oh my god you know similar yeah you wouldn't have yeah well it's just so it's

00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:12.700
crazy it's crazy risky and also if you hadn't had this blinking plot point which presumably you

00:53:12.780 --> 00:53:17.240
didn't when the episode was originally drafted you wouldn't have to have that stupid line of

00:53:17.460 --> 00:53:22.160
dialogue they've had to go and add that back in because of whatever season arc is now crowbarred

00:53:22.180 --> 00:53:28.620
in here so is the heart in exactly the same position that that line a little better than

00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:36.100
is it similar to lombardic sure it's similar yeah similar yeah i mean yes the heart's on the wrong

00:53:36.340 --> 00:53:41.760
side but yeah it's similar i mean we don't get any clarification there it's for my money a lot

00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:48.539
more annoying and clunky than the midnight link although those were my two big kind of complaints

00:53:49.260 --> 00:53:55.240
yeah it's it's not in the problem with this episode is fitting it in around everything else

00:53:55.920 --> 00:54:03.400
the episode itself the story of them arriving mystery the it builds good tension it's you feel

00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:08.940
like there's real jeopardy and there's a sort of satisfactory resolution except for the cheap

00:54:09.100 --> 00:54:14.740
ending at the end and okay it's good and everything else the kind of

00:54:16.300 --> 00:54:17.060
shutting it on.

00:54:18.260 --> 00:54:19.060
Yeah, it just,

00:54:19.680 --> 00:54:21.880
I'm afraid that that's the part RTD did

00:54:22.420 --> 00:54:23.300
to get the co-credit.

00:54:23.560 --> 00:54:24.040
I don't know.

00:54:24.600 --> 00:54:25.040
I don't know.

00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:28.880
I don't think you get a co-credit for that

00:54:29.060 --> 00:54:30.080
because, well,

00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:33.140
I mean, it's one of those things that we can,

00:54:33.260 --> 00:54:34.440
I remember we had the argument

00:54:35.660 --> 00:54:37.340
about the Zygon inversion

00:54:37.540 --> 00:54:38.520
and the Zygon invasion

00:54:39.600 --> 00:54:41.380
where I was absolutely certain

00:54:41.680 --> 00:54:42.840
that Moffat had written

00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:44.480
the big Peter Capaldi speech,

00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:46.160
but I couldn't prove it.

00:54:46.170 --> 00:54:49.520
And we didn't find the answer for like two or three years.

00:54:49.720 --> 00:54:50.720
So who knows?

00:54:51.120 --> 00:54:52.040
What was the answer?

00:54:52.580 --> 00:54:53.420
I still don't have it.

00:54:53.730 --> 00:54:56.040
Oh, yeah, he did write it.

00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:57.640
He said he wrote it.

00:54:57.910 --> 00:55:03.140
But at the time, there was nothing on record either way.

00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:07.260
To me, it sounded like him, not Peter Harness.

00:55:08.150 --> 00:55:08.600
Fair enough.

00:55:10.260 --> 00:55:10.720
Let's see.

00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:16.180
Another thing that's clunky, fitting things in, clunky.

00:55:16.900 --> 00:55:17.200
All right.

00:55:17.980 --> 00:55:20.440
This is a planet made of diamond.

00:55:21.340 --> 00:55:21.500
Okay.

00:55:22.220 --> 00:55:23.460
It's a planet made of diamond.

00:55:24.180 --> 00:55:25.420
We established that in midnight.

00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:31.360
And apparently diamond is very valuable, despite the fact that you've got a planet made of it.

00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:40.980
Which we already know here in the 21st century that diamond will be not valuable in a very short period of time.

00:55:41.700 --> 00:55:48.280
you know if we can take out De Beers but because we can make better diamonds for practical purposes

00:55:49.380 --> 00:55:56.540
now already so 500,000 years in the future did they really need to remove the entire surface

00:55:56.820 --> 00:56:03.360
layer of a planet but if the planet's made of diamonds why did they have to drill 8.05 kilometers

00:56:03.820 --> 00:56:10.000
down I mean she did she did in second watch she did say they stripped the layer they stripped the

00:56:10.020 --> 00:56:15.860
layer, the top layer of diamond off. It's like, okay, mining would be much easier if you just

00:56:16.060 --> 00:56:27.440
went down and then went outwards, not straight down. It's like, why are we doing that?

00:56:28.160 --> 00:56:33.180
It feels like, well, somebody's going to ask the question, why don't you just take the diamonds

00:56:33.420 --> 00:56:38.360
off the surface? That's what the planet's made out of. But we needed a big well. But did we need

00:56:38.380 --> 00:56:44.160
a big well? Did the creature actually climb out of the well? Did it? Is that where it came from?

00:56:44.210 --> 00:56:51.200
It was living on the planet before. Assuming it's the same creature. Is it the same one or a

00:56:51.250 --> 00:56:57.360
different one of the same race? How did it know the doctor's name? But we got two tears out of

00:56:57.540 --> 00:57:07.020
shooty in this episode. Two. One in each eye. Not at the same time, but one each. That man has got

00:57:07.040 --> 00:57:14.840
tear duct control let me tell you but we don't have to do every episode no i i i do think that

00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:21.000
you know he is coming dangerously close to getting shot for calling people babes think

00:57:21.620 --> 00:57:26.940
think that's a very real possibility at some point and and here's a really good example of

00:57:26.940 --> 00:57:34.260
why you don't do it pissing off the military who have the guns i also think that the psychic

00:57:34.700 --> 00:57:36.180
paper has now become

00:57:36.980 --> 00:57:38.720
right it's a way to get you out of

00:57:39.380 --> 00:57:40.740
it's a way to get you out of a locked

00:57:40.980 --> 00:57:42.540
room the sonic screwdriver

00:57:42.740 --> 00:57:44.420
is a way that you get out of a locked room the psychic

00:57:44.620 --> 00:57:46.600
paper is a way to get you at a lot

00:57:46.680 --> 00:57:47.900
of running up and down

00:57:48.560 --> 00:57:48.940
but

00:57:50.180 --> 00:57:52.000
now it's just kind of bad

00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:54.480
now but now it's becoming

00:57:54.500 --> 00:57:56.540
I'm pretty sure you said this like 20 years

00:57:56.700 --> 00:57:58.140
ago overused and stupid

00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:00.100
and it's getting worse

00:58:00.220 --> 00:58:02.200
I thought you were saying it'd become the sonic screwdriver

00:58:02.460 --> 00:58:04.240
but I always was the sonic screwdriver

00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:06.980
It was a different version of the sonic screwdriver.

00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:13.320
But it's just like this scene is so awkward and silly and not funny.

00:58:16.619 --> 00:58:23.880
I'm not sure I have that problem with it other than it's just, I've seen this a number of times.

00:58:24.180 --> 00:58:28.940
It's a bit like the first time a companion sees the TARDIS interior or whatever.

00:58:29.020 --> 00:58:39.860
It's, you know, some writers are still surprising us with the way that they have these kind of essential plot elements that you've got to get through.

00:58:40.620 --> 00:58:42.720
And they still find a kind of new take on it.

00:58:42.720 --> 00:58:57.240
This is not, you know, the psychic paper and I'm sent from head office to test you is like, I don't know how many times in the last 850 episodes or whatever we're on now.

00:58:57.720 --> 00:59:05.960
has been done, but it's probably several hundred. Yeah. Let's see. In the positive category,

00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:14.220
although still a little weird, I definitely feel like Belinda has moved yet another step down the

00:59:14.900 --> 00:59:20.580
path towards not Tegan in this episode. She gets her little bit at the beginning of the episode

00:59:21.860 --> 00:59:28.220
of character growth with regards to why she wants to get home. And it's becoming more realistic

00:59:29.040 --> 00:59:35.520
with each episode, which is good because I really was not liking her at the start.

00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:42.440
Well, yes, you did mention that. And I had a slightly different take on her. And I guess I

00:59:42.560 --> 00:59:49.640
have a slightly different take on Tegan as well. But I'm sort of also moving along the same path

00:59:49.660 --> 00:59:57.060
you are it's just from a starting point where i was really much closer to liking her and i i was

00:59:57.200 --> 01:00:02.700
kind of halfway through this episode when i kind of remembered hang on a minute weren't we told

01:00:02.740 --> 01:00:07.100
that millie gibson was going to be in season two or how you know how come we haven't seen her yet

01:00:07.560 --> 01:00:14.820
and spoilers for people who don't watch the trailer i did get an answer to to that but but

01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:20.300
I didn't know that was coming at that point. I was just like, I'm so like, I'm so much happier.

01:00:21.410 --> 01:00:27.960
I don't quite know why, but with Belinda as a character, then, then with Ruby,

01:00:29.160 --> 01:00:35.140
I basically forgotten about her. So, all right, let's, let's ask the questions then.

01:00:36.060 --> 01:00:40.900
When exactly do we think the doctor is, when and where do we think the doctor is going to meet up

01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:47.820
with ruby in the next episode because isn't the earth like kaboom boom yeah we've got to get an

01:00:47.850 --> 01:00:54.120
answer to that i think just based on that trailer that it's a dr light episode fair enough i think

01:00:54.580 --> 01:01:00.460
that's i think eight freaking episodes and they still have to pull a dr light they did it last

01:01:00.630 --> 01:01:08.080
season and i like a doctor last season was one of the best he had a job last season no shooty was

01:01:08.100 --> 01:01:15.560
under contract to another production yes so they had to make two episodes this year should be solid

01:01:15.720 --> 01:01:20.880
on them i mean it's long gone now but i mean so they still did it or it looks like they still did

01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:30.020
it could be wrong yeah so i i'm not missing ruby i'm definitely not missing ruby and there's just

01:01:30.160 --> 01:01:37.500
something how do i put this there was a complaint a fair complaint that between i don't know space

01:01:37.520 --> 01:01:39.460
babies and the devil's

01:01:39.660 --> 01:01:41.120
cord, which I think are

01:01:41.600 --> 01:01:43.620
back-to-back episodes, that

01:01:44.200 --> 01:01:45.380
they had jumped

01:01:45.620 --> 01:01:47.480
to, Ruby had been traveling

01:01:47.680 --> 01:01:48.560
with a doctor for months.

01:01:50.120 --> 01:01:51.540
And obviously that's not happening

01:01:51.680 --> 01:01:53.280
here, because we are watching

01:01:53.560 --> 01:01:55.300
every minute of it, because we are going

01:01:55.580 --> 01:01:57.360
from scene to scene to

01:01:57.500 --> 01:01:58.760
scene. So,

01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:01.580
kind of, I don't

01:02:01.640 --> 01:02:03.220
know, the development of

01:02:03.680 --> 01:02:05.520
Belinda does feel

01:02:05.520 --> 01:02:06.560
a little jerky,

01:02:07.340 --> 01:02:13.560
Because it seems to happen at the end of one episode before we open the scene of the next episode.

01:02:14.270 --> 01:02:17.560
But I think that's just an artifice of the way it's written, right?

01:02:17.810 --> 01:02:26.380
I mean, that scene where she's talking about her dad going down to the pub and singing songs and whatnot, that is so RTD, right?

01:02:26.540 --> 01:02:31.740
That just, that feels like his bread and butter to me.

01:02:32.680 --> 01:02:39.340
And because you're packing that in at the front end of the episode, because where else do you have time to put it?

01:02:39.900 --> 01:02:40.500
I don't know.

01:02:40.740 --> 01:02:43.920
It does feel a little jerky, but I guess it's part of her.

01:02:44.680 --> 01:02:46.960
I just got I got saved from the cartoon guy.

01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:47.740
I guess I'm a little.

01:02:48.420 --> 01:02:48.600
Yeah.

01:02:49.419 --> 01:02:52.620
And am I right that the doctor is still trying to hit Earth?

01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:55.620
That's why every time he lands, it does the bouncy thing.

01:02:55.670 --> 01:02:57.240
And he goes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:02:57.380 --> 01:02:58.600
Like a little petulant child.

01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:02.740
Or is he given up on the idea of, well, do you see my point?

01:03:03.300 --> 01:03:05.140
It's like he went and got a Vindicator reading.

01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:08.320
He said, we're going to have to go make a few more of these Vindicator readings.

01:03:09.180 --> 01:03:13.540
And then instead, he tries going back to Earth and he gets bounced off of it again.

01:03:14.260 --> 01:03:16.080
And he's like not expecting it.

01:03:16.580 --> 01:03:20.860
Surely you just go to four or five places and get your Vindicator readings and then try again.

01:03:21.460 --> 01:03:22.520
But it didn't feel like that.

01:03:22.700 --> 01:03:28.260
It feels like he's going to hammer it again and then complain about it.

01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:33.940
So even when, you know, the expected result happens every time you do the same thing,

01:03:34.700 --> 01:03:36.780
something about a definition of madness in there somewhere.

01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:39.400
I don't have anything else specifically about this episode.

01:03:39.940 --> 01:03:47.040
The only thing I want to mention is Casio, you may have recognized if you watch Slow Horses.

01:03:47.780 --> 01:03:49.200
Oh, I did hear Slow Horses.

01:03:50.240 --> 01:03:51.700
I have not seen Slow Horses yet.

01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:54.500
Oh, you've got a treat.

01:03:54.660 --> 01:03:55.320
Is he an annoying jerk?

01:03:56.120 --> 01:03:57.840
He does play an annoying jerk.

01:03:58.620 --> 01:04:02.040
It's Christopher Chung and he plays Roddy Ho in Slow Horses.

01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:08.160
And listeners, if you haven't watched Slow Horses yet, give yourselves a treat.

01:04:08.340 --> 01:04:10.140
It's just about the best thing on telly.

01:04:10.700 --> 01:04:11.720
It's on my list.

01:04:12.620 --> 01:04:13.420
It's on my list.

01:04:13.860 --> 01:04:15.640
It's just, I've got a long list.

01:04:17.100 --> 01:04:20.440
I'm going to throw something out here again.

01:04:21.260 --> 01:04:24.200
Don't listen to podcasts until after we've recorded.

01:04:24.200 --> 01:04:25.400
You're telling people not to listen to podcasts?

01:04:25.540 --> 01:04:26.140
Oh, sorry.

01:04:26.340 --> 01:04:26.900
No, no, no, no, no.

01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:27.800
I don't listen.

01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:28.120
I'm sorry.

01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:31.740
I may have elided the word I

01:04:33.100 --> 01:04:34.660
we'll just call it a sound drop out

01:04:34.660 --> 01:04:36.600
but I think I elided the I

01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:37.160
anyway

01:04:38.340 --> 01:04:40.540
I don't listen to anyone else review these episodes

01:04:40.910 --> 01:04:42.060
until after I

01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:44.000
we've recorded these episodes

01:04:44.370 --> 01:04:45.700
these podcasts so that

01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:47.360
it's untainted

01:04:47.710 --> 01:04:50.240
and every once in a while I'll listen to one after the fact

01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:51.420
and I'll hear something and I'll go

01:04:52.420 --> 01:04:53.340
I wish I'd thought of that

01:04:53.860 --> 01:04:54.880
I don't have anything like that

01:04:55.110 --> 01:04:56.500
but what I have heard

01:04:56.520 --> 01:05:05.940
and a few other places is, and I'm going to stick with the land of fiction, but I have heard some

01:05:05.940 --> 01:05:15.520
other places speculating that they're in some sort of fantasy world, not the reality that we

01:05:16.040 --> 01:05:24.200
have been following Doctor Who for the first 60 years kind of thing. So I don't think they got it

01:05:24.220 --> 01:05:32.240
from us or from me. Therefore, I'm pretty sure that either it's in the zeitgeist or it's more

01:05:32.600 --> 01:05:40.200
obvious to people. I'm just going to go back and say, I think this will all be tied back now to

01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:45.160
Wild Blue Yonder because I'm still pissed off that that name didn't mean anything, right?

01:05:45.500 --> 01:05:49.660
Off we go into the Wild Blue Yonder. Why did the TARDIS say that? Is it because the TARDIS knows

01:05:50.300 --> 01:05:56.260
they've gone somewhere else into the wild blue yonder you know did the doctor really let things

01:05:56.440 --> 01:05:59.800
in by playing with salt at the end of the universe or did he actually just accidentally

01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:05.780
kick them out somewhere i don't know but i think that'll be the moment i think that episode will

01:06:05.820 --> 01:06:11.560
be the moment where the the unreality split occurred whatever it is at that point i think

01:06:11.720 --> 01:06:15.020
that's what we're going to come back to we're actually going to come back to wild blue yonder

01:06:15.080 --> 01:06:22.040
And yes, I am attributing RTD with planning, not saying good planning, just it's going to bug me

01:06:22.080 --> 01:06:28.020
till the end of time, unless we come up with an excuse for that damn wild blue yonder music being

01:06:28.200 --> 01:06:34.120
played by the TARDIS. Anyway, so when Shooty gets out of it, David Tennant's doctor will be left

01:06:34.380 --> 01:06:40.180
behind in the fake reality universe. And we won't have to worry about them bumping into each other

01:06:40.200 --> 01:06:46.280
ever again. And that's not what I was hoping for, frankly, but there you go. Let's just go find the

01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:50.840
other doctor and follow him for a while. It seems a stretch to me, but okay.

01:06:51.100 --> 01:06:58.160
What, did RG plan something? For long enough to point out that presumably that means that

01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:01.840
the war between the land and the sea is also set in this alternative universe.

01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:07.700
Fair enough. That's fair enough. That's not going to go anywhere, I don't think. But who knows,

01:07:07.900 --> 01:07:08.100
Maybe.

01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:10.120
We're going to have to review that, aren't we?

01:07:11.220 --> 01:07:11.820
Surely are.

01:07:12.460 --> 01:07:13.820
How many episodes is that going to be?

01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:14.820
Five.

01:07:15.660 --> 01:07:15.960
Five.

01:07:16.240 --> 01:07:16.840
Do we know when?

01:07:17.460 --> 01:07:18.560
Or is this a BBC thing?

01:07:19.300 --> 01:07:19.700
Someday.

01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:20.720
Someday.

01:07:21.340 --> 01:07:23.600
Thursday afternoon, we'll let you know it's coming next week.

01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:24.040
Yeah.

01:07:24.560 --> 01:07:24.720
Yeah.

01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:25.480
Great.

01:07:26.520 --> 01:07:27.800
Do you have anything else on this episode?

01:07:28.620 --> 01:07:29.220
I don't.

01:07:29.860 --> 01:07:30.060
All right.

01:07:30.060 --> 01:07:36.020
Well, next week, the episode featuring Ruby Sunday?

01:07:36.460 --> 01:07:36.760
Tuesday?

01:07:37.580 --> 01:07:39.400
Wednesday? What day of the week is she?

01:07:40.010 --> 01:07:41.580
Is it Sunday? It's Sunday, isn't it?

01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:42.800
It's Sunday. Yeah.

01:07:43.620 --> 01:07:45.560
Next time, we'll be looking

01:07:45.740 --> 01:07:46.620
at Lucky Day.

01:07:47.390 --> 01:07:49.140
And the question is, will it be our

01:07:49.780 --> 01:07:51.520
lucky day? Simon,

01:07:51.680 --> 01:07:53.500
thank you for joining me. It's a pleasure

01:07:53.610 --> 01:07:55.260
as always. And listeners,

01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:57.640
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