WEBVTT 00:00:08.040 --> 00:00:11.200 you're listening to fusion patrol a listener supported podcast 00:00:13.940 --> 00:00:18.360 each week we take a single episode of a science fiction tv series movie or 00:00:18.530 --> 00:00:24.980 audio and overanalyze it to within an inch of its life welcome to the discussion 00:00:31.460 --> 00:00:33.740 Hello and welcome to another episode of Fusion Patrol. 00:00:34.360 --> 00:00:34.760 I'm Eugene. 00:00:35.620 --> 00:00:36.160 And I'm Simon. 00:00:36.860 --> 00:00:42.740 And tonight we are looking at episode one of the 2024 Doctor Who season. 00:00:43.940 --> 00:00:44.440 Called how? 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:47.240 Entitled Space Babies. 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:49.820 Written by Russell T. Davies. 00:00:50.440 --> 00:00:51.280 Episode synopsis. 00:00:51.600 --> 00:01:01.100 Ruby takes up the Doctor's offer of a trip in the TARDIS, but not before the Doctor imparts an expositional info dump to catch Disney Plus viewers up to speed. 00:01:01.620 --> 00:01:07.840 They arrive in Jurassic, Wyoming, where the history of life on Earth is thrown into chaos when Ruby steps on a butterfly. 00:01:08.540 --> 00:01:14.080 Thinking quickly, the Doctor performs the kiss of life on the butterfly, saving all life on Earth. 00:01:14.720 --> 00:01:18.900 This reminds him that the Aztec compensation switch needs to be turned on. 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:22.580 Sorry, did I say Aztec compensation switch? 00:01:22.870 --> 00:01:25.340 I meant to say butterfly compensation switch. 00:01:25.880 --> 00:01:29.140 If only that had been turned on when the Doctor and Donna met Isaac Newton. 00:01:29.700 --> 00:01:32.000 Convinced that the diardists can travel in time, 00:01:32.220 --> 00:01:34.680 Ruby selects a random date in the future, 00:01:34.940 --> 00:01:36.660 and they arrive on a space station, 00:01:37.140 --> 00:01:40.000 where they encounter a very scary monster. 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:42.640 Even the Doctor turns tail and runs. 00:01:43.259 --> 00:01:44.680 Escaping to the upper decks, 00:01:44.830 --> 00:01:47.460 the Doctor realizes they're on a baby farm. 00:01:48.160 --> 00:01:55.440 Another pause for a Disney Plus info dump, and then they learn hyper-intelligent babies run the station in robotic prams. 00:01:56.000 --> 00:02:01.720 Initially mistaken for mommy and daddy, and the babies are just dying for a hug. 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:07.760 The doctor sets about figuring out the mystery of why did the adults abandon the station and leave the babies. 00:02:08.460 --> 00:02:14.000 They don't know anything about it, but the creature downstairs is the bogeyman, and it terrifies them. 00:02:14.620 --> 00:02:17.760 The doctor finds that odd because it terrified him, too. 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:23.300 There's another pause while they remind viewers that there's something wrong about Ruby and her backstory. 00:02:24.160 --> 00:02:28.360 The nanny computer reveals itself to be an actual station staff member named Joslyn. 00:02:28.700 --> 00:02:32.980 The staff were recalled six years ago under protest due to budget cuts. 00:02:33.520 --> 00:02:38.420 Planetary law prevented them from deactivating the station and terminating the gestating babies, 00:02:38.920 --> 00:02:43.560 but didn't prevent them from abandoning them to death by starvation or asphyxiation. 00:02:44.180 --> 00:02:48.540 So, fairly standard conservative politics, if you missed the metaphor. 00:02:49.460 --> 00:02:52.000 Jocelyn stayed behind, pretending to be the computer, 00:02:52.300 --> 00:02:56.900 and staying out of sight of the babies because she couldn't bear to see them die. 00:02:57.660 --> 00:03:00.080 The station systems began educating the children, 00:03:00.210 --> 00:03:02.440 and for reasons not entirely made clear, 00:03:02.500 --> 00:03:09.680 they retained their baby size and relatively physical, incapable musculature while developing mentally. 00:03:10.320 --> 00:03:14.620 A bit like Davros' Dalek experiments if they'd just gone a little differently. 00:03:15.320 --> 00:03:20.220 Ruby recognizes that it's all a bit like a storybook with a real-life Boogeyman. 00:03:20.880 --> 00:03:24.740 When one of the babies decides to be brave and make Ruby proud, 00:03:24.810 --> 00:03:27.080 he goes after the Boogeyman with a wooden sword. 00:03:27.700 --> 00:03:30.680 That doesn't work well, and it's Ruby and the Doctor to the rescue. 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:33.460 Finally, the Doctor realizes what's going on. 00:03:33.460 --> 00:03:36.560 The Boogeyman is a creation of the ship's education system 00:03:36.630 --> 00:03:39.860 to provide the babies with the necessary storybook element. 00:03:39.980 --> 00:03:43.120 and it is made from their snot. 00:03:43.700 --> 00:03:47.600 It is a monster made entirely of snot, 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:51.600 or bogeys, as some dialects of English refer to them. 00:03:52.100 --> 00:03:55.740 The Doctor has also soniced the knackered computer systems, 00:03:55.980 --> 00:03:58.020 and when they come back fully online, 00:03:58.540 --> 00:04:02.860 Jocelyn captures a bogeyman in the airlock and tries to sneeze it out into space. 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:07.820 The Doctor, realizing that every life form is unique and therefore precious, 00:04:08.340 --> 00:04:10.420 risks his life to hold back the sneeze. 00:04:11.440 --> 00:04:14.800 This he does, and now all the kids love the boogie end. 00:04:15.260 --> 00:04:17.420 But this space station doesn't just sneeze. 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:21.620 The doctor uses the accumulated methane from six years of baby diapers 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:24.440 to fart the space station into a trajectory 00:04:24.840 --> 00:04:27.420 that will take it to a planet that accepts refugees. 00:04:28.500 --> 00:04:31.280 Next stop, Ruby's home on her birthday, 2023. 00:04:32.440 --> 00:04:34.600 Okay, I'm going to ask you a question first. 00:04:35.080 --> 00:04:42.340 you uh i watched this episode with my wife and my son we did not speak or compare notes or talk and 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:47.560 frankly we're in relative silence with except for one statement by my wife which we'll explain in a 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:53.640 second in the middle of the episode and when it was done before i gave any feedback i asked for 00:04:53.880 --> 00:05:00.199 their feedback would you like me to read you their feedback or would you like to tell me what you 00:05:00.220 --> 00:05:06.520 thought of the episode before i tell you what they thought give me that feedback uh james's 00:05:06.590 --> 00:05:13.140 first con well actually so during the episode my wife uh when the first uh when bear eric i think 00:05:13.140 --> 00:05:21.380 it was came out first baby my wife goes but my wife's been a little bit um stressed lately and 00:05:21.500 --> 00:05:26.219 she's just now decided that she's going back to be teaching kindergarten because she loves 00:05:26.620 --> 00:05:32.540 the hugs which uh you know she's she's been having a rough time with the older kids lately because of 00:05:32.960 --> 00:05:39.220 pandemic and they're all kind of don't know how to school uh so so she's in a kind of vulnerable 00:05:39.500 --> 00:05:46.640 mood about the little kids so she did do that so then uh i asked james i said james uh what is your 00:05:46.820 --> 00:05:51.519 this is the end what is your opinion of this episode and he said uh mom you better leave the 00:05:51.540 --> 00:06:00.540 room and uh she said no it'll be all right go ahead and james goes that was terrible was it 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:09.480 written by chat gpt and um which made me think that if they had chat rtd that would be a thing 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:19.599 and then my wife uh said okay apart from the babies it was really bad the acting was terrible 00:06:20.220 --> 00:06:28.560 over the top amateurish like a high school play and uh moments uh later sometimes co-host on the 00:06:28.770 --> 00:06:34.140 podcast david also contacted me to see if i'd seen the episodes and i told him i haven't seen 00:06:34.450 --> 00:06:40.660 i haven't seen the devil's court or whatever yet and he gave me his feedback and that was quote 00:06:40.900 --> 00:06:48.940 ug space babies might be the worst ever wow so what do you think about space babies 00:06:50.300 --> 00:06:58.140 i i don't think space babies was the worst ever but i'm inclined to agree with chat rtd there's 00:06:58.700 --> 00:07:04.720 an element of there's an element of going through the motions it feels oh yeah i'm i'm i'm trying 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:13.960 not to if regurgitation yeah i i'm trying not to bring my prejudice about i mean i've discussed it 00:07:14.140 --> 00:07:19.700 i think when we talked about the church on ruby road possibly even when we were discussing the 00:07:19.840 --> 00:07:28.420 tenant specials but without kind of dismissing rtd's contribution to doctor who i'm kind of 00:07:28.500 --> 00:07:35.820 looking for something different and i'd hoped that in coming back to it he was going to do 00:07:36.660 --> 00:07:43.020 something different and so that was kind of the the purpose behind it even if what he was going 00:07:43.020 --> 00:07:50.960 to do differently was he was going to bring in a a kind of new bunch of writers who could would be 00:07:50.980 --> 00:07:57.420 the kind of future of the the show because it needs some fresh blood you know there needs to 00:07:57.280 --> 00:08:05.320 be a potential new showrunner coming from somewhere etc etc so it felt to me like this wasn't that 00:08:05.700 --> 00:08:15.960 it it felt to me like this was an attempt to reheat that tenant piper vibe i think where 00:08:16.260 --> 00:08:22.379 you're running around having adventures in the universe and everything is amazing fun but i do 00:08:22.400 --> 00:08:31.020 agree about the acting I think I think particularly Millie Gibson has waned on me I I mean I don't 00:08:31.020 --> 00:08:36.460 know whether it's the the direction but she's way too full-on and I don't think either she or the 00:08:36.719 --> 00:08:41.479 director have quite nailed what this character is about in the way that Billy Piper pretty much did 00:08:41.510 --> 00:08:51.199 in the first five seconds and I I think there's a just a kind of a load of other stuff that the 00:08:51.220 --> 00:08:59.640 satire that certainly i mean is unlikely to make ron de santis like disney anymore for funding this 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:08.780 um but the the kind of the fart gags and things that we saw early in the original rtd run with 00:09:09.220 --> 00:09:15.480 aliens of london and world war i kept thinking in my mind is like he's done the fart before but i 00:09:15.660 --> 00:09:20.319 couldn't remember where okay there we go well it is because i because i think i think he's you know 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:25.920 he's got his it's not quite a shopping humor because i think it yeah i think it well for sure 00:09:25.930 --> 00:09:32.860 for sure but i think but i think he's also kind of got a sense of what doctor who is is meant to 00:09:32.860 --> 00:09:40.780 be about and that includes kind of something for the the very youngsters as well as the intermediates 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:47.379 and you know the 50 something year old fans who've been watching it since the year dot 00:09:48.060 --> 00:09:55.960 and this is what he thinks a certain generation of the show's audience want to see and you know 00:09:56.300 --> 00:10:05.680 maybe maybe he's right i don't know but yeah it it kind of felt it felt like this episode and 00:10:06.660 --> 00:10:13.180 i i'm holding off using filler as a kind of pejorative because we've discussed before the 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:18.160 fact that a lot of the filler episodes, i.e. the ones that are out of the arc, are the ones that I 00:10:18.400 --> 00:10:23.280 enjoy a lot. And this isn't the problem with this episode. The problem with this episode is that it 00:10:23.760 --> 00:10:31.580 is kind of generic. The space baby's idea is cool. It's not enough to sustain it. And even though it's 00:10:31.590 --> 00:10:36.899 supposed to be, or it appears to be, a filler episode, we've actually got, as you have pointed 00:10:36.920 --> 00:10:44.660 out a huge amount of information dumping flashbacking and all sorts of things to drive the 00:10:45.460 --> 00:10:52.260 kind of overall arc forward and i you say that's for the disney plus audience but i wonder 00:10:52.960 --> 00:11:00.140 if that's really necessary because it's not really held off doing that with the the christopher 00:11:00.260 --> 00:11:05.900 eccleston it's not it's right i mean i'm thinking when in the 21st century did we hear about 00:11:05.880 --> 00:11:13.000 gallifrey it was like it was at least a series in tenets run i think yep and last of the time 00:11:13.220 --> 00:11:19.980 lords that wasn't mentioned until episode two at least i guess this is episode two isn't it but 00:11:20.160 --> 00:11:28.500 yeah sort of i i didn't get why that was quite so info dumpy i yeah i have notes about that i want 00:11:28.520 --> 00:11:34.319 to before we go any further i have a prepared statement to read yes well there's some things 00:11:34.340 --> 00:11:36.280 you mentioned I'd like to come back to. 00:11:38.400 --> 00:11:39.140 Prepared statement. 00:11:39.640 --> 00:11:42.740 I have been watching Doctor Who since about 1975. 00:11:44.160 --> 00:11:47.960 I consider it one of my five favorite TV series of all time. 00:11:48.700 --> 00:11:52.500 It has provided me with thousands of hours of pure enjoyment. 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:57.960 This is not to say I have been uncritical of the series. 00:11:58.880 --> 00:12:01.300 Listeners of this podcast know that's not true. 00:12:01.680 --> 00:12:06.140 I have had some pretty harsh opinions of episodes in recent years. 00:12:06.900 --> 00:12:09.040 Space Babies has brought me to a new place. 00:12:09.800 --> 00:12:12.460 Never before have I reached the point where I said, 00:12:12.780 --> 00:12:15.320 I don't want to watch the next episodes. 00:12:16.220 --> 00:12:20.000 I firmly believe that if this were the first Doctor Who I'd ever seen, 00:12:20.580 --> 00:12:22.560 I'd never have watched another. 00:12:23.220 --> 00:12:27.640 If this were the episode that RTD used to bring the series back in 2005, 00:12:28.300 --> 00:12:30.460 the series would not exist today. 00:12:31.340 --> 00:12:34.840 My disappointment is palpable, bordering on contempt. 00:12:35.500 --> 00:12:38.900 I'm entering into this discussion in that headspace. 00:12:39.760 --> 00:12:42.660 I will do my damnedest to rein that in. 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.420 There is only so much I can do. 00:12:46.660 --> 00:12:47.300 I'm going to disagree. 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:49.040 I don't even think space babies is cool. 00:12:50.740 --> 00:12:52.300 And they were horribly realized. 00:12:53.280 --> 00:12:54.160 They were pretty creepy. 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:57.240 You know, the CGI just didn't work. 00:12:57.760 --> 00:12:59.040 And they weren't meant to be, obviously. 00:12:59.740 --> 00:12:59.880 Yeah. 00:13:00.040 --> 00:13:00.140 Yeah. 00:13:00.740 --> 00:13:03.220 I want to start with one thing I liked in the episode. 00:13:03.680 --> 00:13:07.080 I'm going to invalidate it shortly thereafter, but I'm going to start with one thing I liked. 00:13:07.700 --> 00:13:14.680 And that is the doctor frequently, particularly, says, where do you want to go in all of time and space? 00:13:15.500 --> 00:13:21.520 And, you know, apart from the past, no human would have a good notion, right? 00:13:21.640 --> 00:13:22.980 You know, what would you say? 00:13:23.040 --> 00:13:27.600 I want to go to, I don't know, take me to the year of Star Trek. 00:13:28.060 --> 00:13:29.300 Take me to space 1999. 00:13:29.820 --> 00:13:30.900 You know, that was the past. 00:13:31.170 --> 00:13:32.300 You know, take me to, you know, whatever. 00:13:32.680 --> 00:13:35.600 You just don't know because you don't know what is in the future. 00:13:36.340 --> 00:13:36.440 Right? 00:13:36.880 --> 00:13:39.700 So nobody is going to have an answer to that question. 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:43.020 I like the fact that Ruby just picked random numbers. 00:13:43.780 --> 00:13:46.980 That is the only way a human could ever do that. 00:13:47.540 --> 00:13:51.020 Is just, take me to 2734. 00:13:51.940 --> 00:13:52.120 Okay. 00:13:52.900 --> 00:13:53.740 2734 it is. 00:13:54.760 --> 00:13:56.000 That's the only way you would do it. 00:13:56.460 --> 00:13:56.600 Okay. 00:13:56.900 --> 00:14:04.060 So I liked that. Finally, somebody had a way, you know, to go and they had a thing. 00:14:04.310 --> 00:14:20.800 Now, how I'm going to flip that around and say that is absolutely absurd that they would go to Jurassic, Wyoming, step outside the TARDIS, see a sauropod, step on a butterfly and then go, hey, let's get back in the TARDIS and leave. 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:23.320 no one with a human soul 00:14:24.420 --> 00:14:25.380 could resist 00:14:26.340 --> 00:14:27.440 standing there and watching 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:29.340 for a while. No human 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:31.400 has ever seen this before. You have never 00:14:31.520 --> 00:14:33.140 no one's ever seen a real sore bot. 00:14:33.460 --> 00:14:34.900 This is not Jurassic Park. 00:14:35.500 --> 00:14:37.500 This is the real free and deal. 00:14:38.260 --> 00:14:39.200 And yet, eh, 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:40.500 yeah, whatever. Let's go. 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:43.620 It's there for the gag. 00:14:44.180 --> 00:14:45.680 And this is where I disagree 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:47.500 also with your statement that 00:14:47.620 --> 00:14:49.300 this is more of the same. Yes. 00:14:49.820 --> 00:14:54.880 This has all the bad things that I don't like from RTD's earlier time. 00:14:55.580 --> 00:14:57.180 But he is trying something new. 00:14:57.600 --> 00:14:59.980 He's trying to make this so much more lighthearted. 00:15:00.880 --> 00:15:02.520 And it doesn't work. 00:15:02.740 --> 00:15:03.580 These jokes aren't funny. 00:15:04.380 --> 00:15:07.740 And the, and of course the butterfly thing. 00:15:08.380 --> 00:15:11.860 You mean there's a switch on the TARDIS as to whether or not we can change history or not? 00:15:12.640 --> 00:15:16.340 If only the doctor had known about that during the Aztecs, then Barbara could have saved the day. 00:15:16.880 --> 00:15:21.820 But no, toggle that on and off and time safe, time not safe. 00:15:22.290 --> 00:15:23.160 But it's there for gag. 00:15:23.880 --> 00:15:25.880 The whole sequence is there for two things. 00:15:26.060 --> 00:15:28.460 It's like, look at the money we've got now with Disney. 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:34.880 One, which, you know, frankly, wasn't that impressive because they've done that in Dinosaurs on a Spaceship better. 00:15:35.860 --> 00:15:38.120 And because it was part of the plot. 00:15:38.530 --> 00:15:40.500 And then, you know, it's a butterfly. 00:15:40.860 --> 00:15:42.760 So obviously it's the butterfly paradox. 00:15:42.930 --> 00:15:45.800 You quite, quite literally are, 00:15:46.640 --> 00:15:48.300 why couldn't it have been an ant or something? 00:15:48.310 --> 00:15:49.100 But no, it's the butterfly 00:15:49.150 --> 00:15:50.020 because that's what people know. 00:15:50.060 --> 00:15:50.860 It's just a joke. 00:15:51.040 --> 00:15:52.220 The whole thing is a joke 00:15:52.640 --> 00:15:54.180 from the moment they step off that 00:15:54.580 --> 00:15:56.200 to the moment they head off to the future. 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:58.200 And it's just not a funny joke. 00:15:58.740 --> 00:15:59.760 It's not a funny joke. 00:15:59.960 --> 00:16:02.960 I think it is intended to annoy Doctor Who fans. 00:16:03.380 --> 00:16:05.780 So obviously it's serving part of its purpose. 00:16:06.490 --> 00:16:08.280 But I didn't think the Isaac Newton thing 00:16:08.350 --> 00:16:09.140 was funny either. 00:16:09.920 --> 00:16:10.580 No, it wasn't. 00:16:10.620 --> 00:16:12.340 and I think it was meant to be. 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:16.700 And I don't think that it's a wise decision. 00:16:17.560 --> 00:16:20.300 If you're saying that this is RTD, 00:16:21.040 --> 00:16:22.780 and I'm leaving that profanity in there, by the way, 00:16:22.920 --> 00:16:26.400 this is RTD trying to irritate the fans, 00:16:28.100 --> 00:16:30.560 I don't think that's a clever move. 00:16:31.100 --> 00:16:32.680 You can make a good story. 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:34.900 You can appeal to a new audience. 00:16:35.500 --> 00:16:39.320 You don't have to alienate part of your audience on purpose. 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:42.640 If you're doing that, you shouldn't be in charge. 00:16:43.660 --> 00:16:45.500 I don't think that... 00:16:45.860 --> 00:16:50.460 I'm trying to run through in my mind all the previous RCD episodes. 00:16:50.640 --> 00:16:52.120 I don't think he's very funny. 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:53.420 No, he's not. 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:55.080 I mean, he likes fart jokes. 00:16:56.080 --> 00:17:00.640 Even outside Doctor Who, actually, I'm not sure that comic is the hallmark. 00:17:00.700 --> 00:17:03.940 He can do absurd and extraordinary and exciting. 00:17:05.020 --> 00:17:15.339 And the characters that he can at least sometimes write are interesting and plausible and intriguing and convincing. 00:17:16.010 --> 00:17:18.720 But I don't think he generally does funny. 00:17:18.949 --> 00:17:21.660 And that is feeling a bit kind of forced here. 00:17:21.790 --> 00:17:26.120 I think Moffat is an unbelievably funny writer. 00:17:27.600 --> 00:17:34.520 And the one gag in this that I thought was good was the nanny filter gag, which I could imagine Moffat doing. 00:17:35.220 --> 00:17:40.780 but he immediately overused it he immediately overused it so it's like yeah yeah it was funny 00:17:41.310 --> 00:17:48.980 twice maybe three times but it just went on and on and i think chibnall isn't a funny writer either 00:17:49.300 --> 00:17:56.560 but he didn't try to be funny no he didn't no i don't think well yeah no not really or if he did 00:17:56.590 --> 00:18:02.540 it was so under the wire under the radar that nobody noticed yeah i do want to just throw one 00:18:02.560 --> 00:18:08.280 thing out here because i'm gonna like said i'm trying to trying to rein this in and try to be 00:18:08.820 --> 00:18:17.700 less than contemptuous it is also possible that the fact that okay ruby has heard of the butterfly 00:18:18.899 --> 00:18:24.660 effect because we've heard about it right it's been a movie and it's been stuff and people talk 00:18:24.820 --> 00:18:28.700 about it when the science fiction so ruby would have heard about the butterfly effect just like 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:33.260 she'd heard about star trek they got that whole long spiel about how you know how would you even 00:18:33.350 --> 00:18:37.480 step on a butterfly because if they float around you have to do this thing and blah blah blah and 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:41.820 then they step out the butterfly flows right down goes right under her foot there is the possibility 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:51.420 that that is a clue that says there is something about ruby and coincidence and uh and the nature 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:59.700 of this universe conforming to something about ruby she thinks that it happened it you know it 00:18:59.820 --> 00:19:06.760 wouldn't have happened it could just be a stupid gag it could still be just a stupid gag with a 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:12.380 point so i throw that out there just in the event that this turns up in a flashback in season eight 00:19:12.860 --> 00:19:17.879 when they point out all the dumb dumb coincidences that could not possibly have happened 00:19:17.900 --> 00:19:21.120 if it weren't for the fact that Ruby is, you know, 00:19:21.760 --> 00:19:24.200 the seed pod for a new generation of humans 00:19:24.700 --> 00:19:26.560 created by the Cybermen or something. 00:19:26.780 --> 00:19:27.880 You know, I don't know. 00:19:28.500 --> 00:19:30.400 But it's the sleight of hand that I think, 00:19:30.560 --> 00:19:32.640 I mean, particularly Moffat uses quite a lot, 00:19:32.780 --> 00:19:35.700 which is to make something funny 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:39.300 hide something that is relevant to the plot 00:19:39.850 --> 00:19:41.740 because you watch it and you laugh at it 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:43.740 and you think that's what it was there for 00:19:43.830 --> 00:19:44.520 and you move on. 00:19:45.110 --> 00:19:47.139 And then it springs a surprise 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:54.300 when there's actually a genuine payoff yeah yeah i don't think and i don't like saying this because 00:19:54.500 --> 00:20:03.000 rtd obviously can write well some things he doesn't write well this is one of them um this 00:20:03.120 --> 00:20:10.040 type of humor and and he just doesn't just isn't good at i mean i not his thing i've been thinking 00:20:10.180 --> 00:20:15.700 about it and i kind of think i i don't really necessarily disagree with what you were saying i 00:20:15.660 --> 00:20:30.900 I mean, it's not that I don't want to watch another episode because I suspect that I'm now even more suspicious about the reason that I know it's a streaming kind of MO, but that they're dropping two episodes. 00:20:31.740 --> 00:20:32.120 It's the first time. 00:20:32.120 --> 00:20:32.900 At the same time. 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:34.100 Yeah. 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:34.760 Yeah. 00:20:35.500 --> 00:20:36.300 I don't know. 00:20:36.940 --> 00:20:42.060 And I mean, we obviously only watched one episode so that we could comment on this. 00:20:42.450 --> 00:20:44.220 But I haven't stayed off social media. 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:49.620 You say obviously, but I was actually going to watch both of them and just not tell you. 00:20:50.340 --> 00:20:51.980 And when I got to the end of it, I just didn't. 00:20:52.090 --> 00:20:52.560 I didn't. 00:20:52.900 --> 00:20:53.480 I'm like, nah. 00:20:54.100 --> 00:20:54.360 Uh-uh. 00:20:55.060 --> 00:20:56.720 I don't have to watch this till tomorrow. 00:20:57.460 --> 00:20:58.840 I'm not going to watch it till tomorrow. 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:00.460 That's true. 00:21:01.080 --> 00:21:01.680 And I love the beat. 00:21:01.940 --> 00:21:06.340 But I think it's the only way that we can kind of discuss this in its own right. 00:21:06.470 --> 00:21:10.160 Because if the next episode is brilliant, I think it will change our opinion of this. 00:21:10.820 --> 00:21:13.440 And so maybe that's why they're dumping them together. 00:21:14.220 --> 00:21:22.680 But I also think, thinking back to my experiences of that 2005 season, I mean, re-watching Rose now, I do kind of think it's brilliant. 00:21:23.170 --> 00:21:24.800 And I've watched this episode once. 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:31.300 And it's, yeah, you're right, it is different in some ways, even though it's got the kind of RTT ingredients in it. 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:42.740 And to do it justice, you probably need to wait a few months or years and come back to it and watch it in the context of knowing where he went with it now. 00:21:43.280 --> 00:21:48.440 Because that first Christopher Eccleston season, there were a lot of things in it that disappointed me. 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:53.340 And now, when I rewatch it, they're kind of priced in. 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:55.900 I know that they disappointed me. 00:21:56.060 --> 00:21:57.160 I'm aware of that. 00:21:57.610 --> 00:22:02.140 And I watch it for the good things, the things I like, and enjoy those now. 00:22:02.780 --> 00:22:05.800 So I don't know if it's entirely fair. 00:22:06.100 --> 00:22:20.880 I also think that, I mean, my experience of Doctor Who since 2005, which is, you know, I mean, if you compare the time when I previously regularly watched it and I was probably in primary school. 00:22:21.660 --> 00:22:27.720 You know, this is this is the this is the time when I have watched every episode, been a regular viewer. 00:22:28.760 --> 00:22:43.300 And throughout the run, either it got better because I just, you know, I thought RTD's original run, his fourth season was better than his third season, his third season was better than his second season and so on. 00:22:43.830 --> 00:22:45.920 Then I thought Stephen Moffat was fantastic. 00:22:46.760 --> 00:22:51.720 And then when Chris Chibnall took over, he did something very different with it. 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:55.460 And I became intrigued to see where that was going. 00:22:56.180 --> 00:23:14.400 And so my expectations of Doctor Who have changed. And also in 2005, it was this was the only Doctor Who on the telly. It was like, you know, you're a couple of episodes into the new season and you've literally got two hours of TV Doctor Who since the 1996 movie. 00:23:15.060 --> 00:23:17.920 It's like, you know, whatever it is, I'll take it. 00:23:18.510 --> 00:23:23.200 Whereas now we're like, yeah, OK, this is another hour of Doctor Who. 00:23:23.940 --> 00:23:34.000 But compare that to however many episodes I've lost count that we've had since 2005 or even just in the past few years. 00:23:34.800 --> 00:23:39.520 And suddenly I think you realize that we have set another standard. 00:23:40.210 --> 00:23:41.340 So I don't know. 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:43.940 I'm inclined to agree with you. 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:49.180 If this was the episode that was the episode to bring Doctor Who back, 00:23:49.340 --> 00:23:54.320 was reviving it after a 16-year hiatus, it might have died a death. 00:23:54.580 --> 00:23:55.960 I'm inclined to agree with that. 00:23:56.740 --> 00:23:57.900 But I don't know that it's fair. 00:23:58.280 --> 00:23:59.580 I would find it hard to. 00:23:59.660 --> 00:24:02.900 I mean, they were worried enough that it was going to fail, and RTD himself, 00:24:03.140 --> 00:24:04.560 as soon as we were worried enough it's going to fail. 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:10.720 It's like he was, I think he was restrained in that point. 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:16.280 I think he had some things that he, you know, I can go so far, but I can't go too far. 00:24:16.580 --> 00:24:17.900 Otherwise, it will fail. 00:24:18.410 --> 00:24:19.440 And I think we don't have that. 00:24:19.540 --> 00:24:26.660 Now, something you brought up is interesting because we do have this post 2005 backlog. 00:24:26.870 --> 00:24:30.880 And I don't care what they try saying. 00:24:31.430 --> 00:24:33.260 This is not series one of Doctor Who. 00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:36.120 Now you get that. 00:24:36.820 --> 00:24:39.600 You can't pull that nonsense. 00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:45.840 And and get away with it. And the sad part is, is that that's exactly what this feels like. 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:52.200 I mean, all the oh, that's TARDIS time and relative dimensions. I'm from Gallifrey. There was a genocide. 00:24:52.540 --> 00:24:59.000 Oh, we have pompous names like the doctor or the bishop or, you know, which, you know, is actually not true. 00:24:59.860 --> 00:25:08.140 You know, all of these just all of these things that they had to stop in the middle of and then suddenly give this dump like, well, it's season one. 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:13.760 this is a new show anybody watching it's never heard of doctor who i can pretty much guarantee 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:22.260 nobody watching this has never heard of doctor who like that that's just nonsense to believe 00:25:22.530 --> 00:25:27.520 that they needed to do this and it is they were going to they should have done it like they did 00:25:27.520 --> 00:25:33.160 in 2005 which is you just don't mention it and you didn't do it in 2005 i mean i think that is 00:25:33.100 --> 00:25:37.140 the point they mentioned this is the yeah yeah you don't mention stuff that they thought they 00:25:37.280 --> 00:25:43.400 needed for the show as it is now what they didn't do was include stuff that they think will drive 00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:50.480 people back into into the the back catalogue and i guess maybe their aims are different now because 00:25:51.180 --> 00:25:57.880 they're obviously wanting to wanting to make use of that back catalogue they i i think it's all 00:25:57.800 --> 00:26:03.740 available on disney plus right they've they put it all on the iplayer uh i don't believe it is no 00:26:04.330 --> 00:26:09.080 i don't okay well maybe maybe it's for driving people onto the iplayer i don't i don't know 00:26:09.340 --> 00:26:15.380 exactly and for kind of various ill-judged reasons i think they were trying to put a lot of continuity 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:22.839 into the 1996 movie when they did that including the kind of off criticized bringing sylvester 00:26:22.860 --> 00:26:27.680 which i really like but i can see why it really didn't actually help a lot of the american 00:26:28.060 --> 00:26:35.980 didn't know right exactly america actually but doctor who was big for a while in the united 00:26:36.220 --> 00:26:43.780 states i mean you know maybe not before 96 no in post 2005 during the late oh yeah yeah sure 00:26:44.170 --> 00:26:51.740 it was so yeah yeah yeah the audiences now do doctor who is in the american zeitgeist it was 00:26:51.640 --> 00:27:01.400 not prior to that so when they do the 1995 95 is it 95 movie 92 movie they they're working on the 00:27:01.540 --> 00:27:05.400 fact that the only people who've ever seen doctor who in the united states watched it on public 00:27:05.600 --> 00:27:12.380 television at odd hours i mean for example for a long time it was right after school but most of 00:27:12.460 --> 00:27:18.319 the time on my public television station it was on at midnight saturday night yeah which is you 00:27:18.340 --> 00:27:25.020 peak time not peak time and so they they felt like they had to like i don't know they shouldn't 00:27:25.020 --> 00:27:29.520 have gone all in they should have introduced doctor who for what it is the same way any 00:27:29.820 --> 00:27:33.940 companion gets introduced to doctor who they show up they meet the doctor they go off on a wild 00:27:34.120 --> 00:27:40.240 adventure and you know it he dribbles and drabbles the info along the way but they just didn't feel 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:46.920 they could do that i will give you in recent terms and the most recent terms the example of how i 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:54.000 think it should be done which is the woman who fell to earth it doesn't do any kind of info dumpy 00:27:54.060 --> 00:27:59.720 stuff there what it does is it sets up the season that is to come so yeah it was the high point of 00:27:59.840 --> 00:28:07.020 jodie whittaker's reign yeah some people's opinion i i think i like i think i like that episode more 00:28:07.100 --> 00:28:13.340 than more than you did but i i don't say you know i think objectively and in a lot of ways i think 00:28:13.340 --> 00:28:19.280 it highlights the things that I think I'm looking for that are missing now. But I think you could 00:28:19.420 --> 00:28:23.440 say a lot of the same things about the 11th hour or whatever, which is if you look at the woman who 00:28:24.080 --> 00:28:32.840 fell to earth, you've got the stories of Graham and Yaz and Ryan being introduced to both audiences, 00:28:33.020 --> 00:28:38.760 the continuing audience and the new audience simultaneously, in amongst which you're also 00:28:38.780 --> 00:28:46.900 getting the new doctor being introduced and there are interesting and complex relationships 00:28:47.460 --> 00:28:54.600 going on there whereas here i feel like there are not interesting and complex relationships going on 00:28:54.600 --> 00:29:02.040 i don't really have any sense of who millie is or what makes her makes her tick or probably the 00:29:02.140 --> 00:29:08.980 doctor yet and i don't think that it compensates for that that you dump a load of stuff about 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:17.980 gallifrey resurrecting the last of the time lords idea that rtd brought in in 2005 and which then 00:29:18.040 --> 00:29:24.440 got gradually undone by others and so well no when he's talking about the red the the you're 00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:29.019 talking about the last of the time lord stuff i thought he was talking about the uh the whatever 00:29:29.040 --> 00:29:33.960 the heck chibnall did with the genocide i think he's talking about the master's genocide 00:29:34.860 --> 00:29:41.360 of the time he was yes yes okay yeah i mean he could he doesn't he didn't the point is he didn't 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:46.860 have to mention it at all right no when he brought when he brought the show back in 2005 00:29:47.840 --> 00:29:52.780 he wiped out the rest of the time lords again i think that was a deliberate thing because of all 00:29:52.780 --> 00:29:59.200 of that kind of continuity all of those tedious episodes set on gallifrey are involving time 00:29:59.380 --> 00:30:06.000 lords but he doesn't have to mention that now well okay hold up you there is there is one valid 00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:13.720 argument and i think they also kind of did it well in eccleston's time and that is you made 00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:20.259 an alien from another planet just like you are going to want to watch the dinosaurs for a while 00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:27.600 you are also going to ask where are you from who are your people those are those are reasonable 00:30:27.840 --> 00:30:32.660 questions you don't need to give them you don't need to give them the history of the time lords 00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:38.240 you can just go i'm the last i'm called a time lord i'm the last of my people my species and 00:30:38.280 --> 00:30:45.399 you're done i'm called a time lord you could just say my people are all god yeah so it it's 00:30:45.940 --> 00:30:50.080 You know, you don't you have to give an answer and the question will be raised. 00:30:50.620 --> 00:30:58.540 You don't have to expound upon it like was done in this episode for, you know, without without being asked. 00:30:59.920 --> 00:31:08.240 But I guess this doctor just doesn't have any limits is not the word walls. 00:31:09.600 --> 00:31:13.160 He just talks too much, you know, and that may be his character, 00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:21.840 which could explain why he grates so hard on me he acts exactly like he acts when i saw him on 00:31:22.360 --> 00:31:28.240 uh talk shows is that acting or is that just his personality you know it's like we hired a 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:34.160 character i don't know i don't know i i've never seen shooty got one anything else so it just 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:42.099 um yeah so i i'm just gonna say there was one thing that moffat got rid of that i was so happy 00:31:42.120 --> 00:31:47.720 is he gone and it's just like this is part of that whole oh we're gonna we're gonna rehash 00:31:47.980 --> 00:31:54.760 everything we're gonna rehash every stinking thing rtd brought into the show he has to sonic the 00:31:54.940 --> 00:32:00.200 flipping phone in the first episode oh here you can talk to your mom whenever you want how is that 00:32:00.250 --> 00:32:08.159 supposed to even work couldn't we have forgotten that i mean when if an hour goes by and she calls 00:32:08.180 --> 00:32:15.460 her mom and then she waits another hour and she calls her mom is it been an hour i mean we saw 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:22.440 how badly that worked with uh aliens of london and coming back i mean like do we really need to 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:28.240 talk to mom i agree it's unnecessary i don't agree that moffat got rid of it because we have those 00:32:28.420 --> 00:32:35.160 sequences in the tardis where churchill rings the tardis phone all right there is that i i agree 00:32:35.060 --> 00:32:40.800 that but then the other thing is amy didn't have family to call anyway yeah although she probably 00:32:41.080 --> 00:32:46.760 should have called rory but uh she was running away but when it came to clara also an orphan 00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:54.200 with no family to call and um well maybe maybe that's why we got rid of it for that reason i 00:32:54.300 --> 00:32:59.700 don't know that but you know he did not at any point oh here give me your phone okay now you've 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:04.660 got unlimited galactic time and space roaming kind of thing but certainly there were he did it 00:33:05.260 --> 00:33:11.880 he did it in this episode with no reason whatsoever oh hey mom oh phone works click 00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:19.860 like it it's just to re-establish things the way they were before well i think i think it is to 00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:27.779 establish the the family around so it's to have a scene where her mom is where we're reminded of her 00:33:27.800 --> 00:33:34.500 of her mom who her mom is you know what their relationship is about let's talk about her mom 00:33:34.690 --> 00:33:41.840 i have notes on her mom that would that's supposed to be christmas day 2023 right they've just gone 00:33:42.020 --> 00:33:46.660 through all that stuff they've just gone through all that stuff well she said you just ran out of 00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:52.879 here 15 seconds ago yeah that was that was five months ago i haven't re-watched it oh but that was 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:59.120 that was uh that was christmas yeah that was still that was still christmas but that mom 00:33:59.900 --> 00:34:04.760 does not seem to be this and and at the end of the episode does not seem to be the same mom 00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:11.720 at carla clara clara carla something like that uh doesn't seem to be the same that seems to be 00:34:11.899 --> 00:34:18.259 bitchy gripey mom from the parallel timeline she's not very nice she just doesn't come off 00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:25.100 as warm and friendly and isn't she supposed to be fostering a baby and you know it just it just 00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:31.520 it feels like that's not that's like a third version of this woman that we saw i don't know 00:34:32.240 --> 00:34:37.679 it's all and i say it's all wrong it's all wrong rtd's told us everything's all wrong 00:34:38.620 --> 00:34:47.679 he's let fantasy in and so we can't rely on anything but that feels like also they ruined 00:34:47.700 --> 00:34:54.639 roof again i mean it's already cracked did the crack get fixed was the crack back at the end i 00:34:54.720 --> 00:35:01.460 don't remember but now the tardis is smashed into it because apparently the tardis now indiscriminately 00:35:01.620 --> 00:35:09.100 destroys people property when it lands also shoots through walls before it lands don't like that 00:35:09.100 --> 00:35:16.739 either just another thing i didn't like i mentioned it you know rtd has said on record 00:35:17.380 --> 00:35:23.800 that they got lots of gods coming up fantasy stuff because they've opened the door to this 00:35:24.640 --> 00:35:29.900 and um then by and then walking that back by saying oh we already had ragnarok so you know 00:35:30.560 --> 00:35:36.120 but he's opened the door on this being fantasy land and then we get to an episode where they 00:35:36.600 --> 00:35:43.959 call it out this is like a storybook we're we're in we're like a storybook and if they had left 00:35:43.980 --> 00:35:53.480 that as it was, I would go, oh, okay, see, this is a clue towards that whole thing. 00:35:53.790 --> 00:35:58.320 But then it turns out it's just the computer's interpretation of what should be going on. 00:35:59.100 --> 00:36:04.680 And so they kind of turned it back into old-fashioned science fiction computer glitch, 00:36:05.380 --> 00:36:07.860 the science fiction cop-out, if you will. 00:36:08.420 --> 00:36:10.920 It's like, well, this seems like it's some sort of amazing fantasy thing. 00:36:11.040 --> 00:36:13.280 Oh, no, it's just an improbable science fiction thing. 00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:24.240 But I mentioned that, but I thought it was odd that he chose to put a storybook inside, a fantasy storybook inside of, I don't know, whatever the season is supposed to be. 00:36:24.660 --> 00:36:34.440 I didn't, I mean, this isn't really a comment on the storybook aspect of it, which I'm not, I haven't really picked up on. 00:36:34.510 --> 00:36:36.300 And I'll withhold judgment. 00:36:36.700 --> 00:36:37.460 I'll withhold judgment. 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:49.200 But I think we've seen that kind of computer gone wrong or, you know, a terraforming machine producing something unexpected. 00:36:50.660 --> 00:36:52.180 He didn't quite sell this to me. 00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:54.580 No, made no sense. 00:36:54.740 --> 00:36:56.420 It was six years. 00:36:57.100 --> 00:37:00.220 They left the ship because of budget cuts. 00:37:00.240 --> 00:37:02.360 There wasn't actually anything wrong with the computer. 00:37:03.340 --> 00:37:18.000 So I kind of feel like there was no explanation given of why it created a bogey monster or why the babies were mentally six years old, but physically still baby size. 00:37:18.740 --> 00:37:21.060 I don't feel like those kids were six years old either. 00:37:21.600 --> 00:37:24.420 I mean, I know they were physically, they were six years old. 00:37:24.940 --> 00:37:30.200 But their behavior wasn't six year old. 00:37:30.660 --> 00:37:32.360 And where were the intermediate babies? 00:37:32.660 --> 00:37:38.520 If this, you know, if they weren't allowed to turn the baby producing machine, they had babies in jars. 00:37:38.520 --> 00:37:43.720 Yeah, they were presumably the kind of prenatal babies or whatever. 00:37:43.980 --> 00:37:57.300 But yeah, it didn't feel like he'd completed that picture so that you had a real sense of how this all was meant to work and how it had all gone wrong. 00:37:57.860 --> 00:38:15.640 Yeah, no, I completely agree. I'll just put down here, he is, RTD, is laying it on really thick. There is the commentary, as you mentioned, will not make him endeared to Ron DeSantis, which is good. 00:38:15.680 --> 00:38:19.840 anything that makes someone not endeared to ronda santus is by definition a good thing 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:28.840 but nonetheless you can you can lay it on uh you can lay it on with a trowel as it was done here 00:38:29.260 --> 00:38:33.680 so we do have and i think this was more pointed towards i think this is more pointed towards the 00:38:33.820 --> 00:38:40.440 tories although it is also germane here the asylum seekers oh there's a planet they'll take lots of 00:38:40.340 --> 00:38:46.460 asylum seekers but you know they're not going to help you they're only you you can't you can't uh 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:53.240 you can't get asylum if you don't manage to get there first yes no i'm that well i think that was 00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:59.140 probably pointed at ron desantis as well as the sunak government don't don't you have some 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:06.420 boat people and and trying to ship them off to nigeria or something or yeah but didn't they 00:39:06.820 --> 00:39:12.840 didn't DeSantis put a bunch of people in a bus and oh yeah and the governor of Texas as well 00:39:13.370 --> 00:39:20.180 yeah so I mean I I think that that that's a kind of fairly universal thing I mean it's something 00:39:20.850 --> 00:39:27.420 that RTD has gone into in much well much more effectively in much more depth in things like 00:39:27.540 --> 00:39:33.559 years and years but here I think my criticism that were that and the kind of birth control 00:39:33.580 --> 00:39:41.600 thing which i suspect was much more focused on the us i i don't have an objection to laying it on 00:39:41.820 --> 00:39:47.940 thick you know as you put it with a trowel that's okay by me but again he didn't sell it to me it 00:39:48.080 --> 00:39:55.580 wasn't no it wasn't baked into the episode it was just crowbarred in as an extra neither was the 00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:01.299 abortion one i mean yes that that is more germane to this story we had budget cuts we required 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:08.300 everyone to leave the space station behind we can't terminate the babies not saying that they 00:40:08.300 --> 00:40:13.200 should terminate the babies but in other words they can't yeah sorry it's it's abortion rather 00:40:13.200 --> 00:40:18.140 than birth control isn't it i was it is it's abortion we can't terminate these babies because 00:40:18.640 --> 00:40:27.340 that's illegal but uh but we can condemn them to a life of misery starvation and death which is 00:40:27.220 --> 00:40:34.060 exactly what the assholes and i'm not cutting that out that are in favor of that in this country and 00:40:34.160 --> 00:40:41.720 have been taking our laws back you know in some cases like where i live to 18 freaking 64 yep 00:40:42.380 --> 00:40:48.220 although we did get rid of that one but but we're still bad just we got rid of it quite a bad but 00:40:48.280 --> 00:41:04.360 You know, the point is, it is a commentary, but this show feels like it was aimed at six-year-olds, and I don't know that that commentary is going to strike home with that. 00:41:05.820 --> 00:41:09.760 And also, yeah, okay, you're pointing out the absurdity of the position. 00:41:10.380 --> 00:41:10.980 I agree. 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:16.900 It's an absurd, ridiculous position that it's just nuts. 00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:17.940 It's religious basis. 00:41:18.200 --> 00:41:23.960 We don't know why it's based that way on their planet, but, you know, it is it's immoral. 00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:27.140 And he's put it out, but he's not selling it here. 00:41:28.040 --> 00:41:29.480 Like, I don't know. 00:41:29.780 --> 00:41:34.480 It just, oh, you know, those people did on protest, but Jocelyn didn't do it on a protest. 00:41:34.680 --> 00:41:41.080 What would what would have happened if the whole crew had just said, screw you, we're saying here, you know, would they would they have died? 00:41:41.540 --> 00:41:42.920 Would they have left them to die? 00:41:43.900 --> 00:41:48.160 Why is it that they went back and made protests for six years and nothing happened? 00:41:49.340 --> 00:41:55.500 Isn't letting the machines fail also terminating the machines and therefore killing the bay? 00:41:55.580 --> 00:42:03.060 It's just, I don't know, because we don't, you know, it's not a complete enough concept. 00:42:04.060 --> 00:42:06.440 It's just, here, here's a slap of paint. 00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:10.200 I just wanted to remind you that I am socially aware. 00:42:10.660 --> 00:42:12.360 Let's go with, are we wrong? 00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:13.340 Is that the exact words? 00:42:13.460 --> 00:42:19.360 can't remember what the kid said are we wrong because we're the way we are and and the doctor 00:42:19.540 --> 00:42:25.340 gave a very heartfelt you know of course not no one is wrong the way they are every person is 00:42:25.420 --> 00:42:31.820 unique and they're special and they're precious and you know we can we can definitely see where 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:38.920 that one is coming from what what what social issue that one is being uh troweled over that 00:42:38.900 --> 00:42:47.640 Ron DeSantis would not like this. And once again, F you Ron DeSantis. But you, you know, it's, 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:54.200 it's there. It's very heavy. And then, and that's the only one that pays off. And unfortunately it 00:42:54.300 --> 00:43:00.480 pays off in a way that worries the heck out of me because what happens at the end is that the doctor 00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:11.460 cannot let the boogeyman be destroyed because he too is unique and special and therefore the doctor 00:43:11.620 --> 00:43:17.200 risks his life to save the boogeyman does this mean the doctor can never take out another villain 00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:23.340 because all of them are unique and special everything in the universe i think that's always 00:43:23.520 --> 00:43:28.880 and special that's always been the kind of doctor who's saying which is why except that he has a 00:43:28.780 --> 00:43:34.380 point where he can get past that he can pull up a gun and shoot a cyberman if he had to 00:43:35.060 --> 00:43:39.500 there well but that was fairly controversial and that's the point there's always this agonizing 00:43:40.300 --> 00:43:46.400 as in do i have the right with the daleks and even though they think a lot alike they are all 00:43:46.770 --> 00:43:53.420 unique and special individuals it's just it's just well no it's it's it's the same it's the 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:59.860 same thing it's it's taking out the daleks would be genocide taking out the boat the boogeyman 00:44:00.060 --> 00:44:08.440 bogeyman would be genocide and he's done that like um sure but he's and he's he's ended things 00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:17.880 since then too so i don't know it's just is the bogeyman even life is the bogeyman anything other 00:44:17.860 --> 00:44:24.220 than a computer construct i think it's as much life as the babies i think that really that's 00:44:24.740 --> 00:44:31.120 yeah i mean the babies were created from you see they don't connect that they don't they don't 00:44:31.740 --> 00:44:38.400 i'm sure there is a line he says he created it but he doesn't explain how is that did he take a baby 00:44:39.100 --> 00:44:44.839 did the computer take one of the baby embryos and slot snot it up and turn it into that monster 00:44:45.380 --> 00:44:51.600 is that what that thing is or did it create a whole cloth out of snot and and some technology 00:44:51.610 --> 00:45:00.340 we don't understand not not really not really um buying into that whole the snot monster is worthy 00:45:00.350 --> 00:45:06.600 of saving um and i'm also not really into the fact that the kids all love it now too uh you know once 00:45:06.600 --> 00:45:12.860 the doctor saves his life and now they're suddenly oh how long it's fun like okay that's a bit of a 00:45:12.780 --> 00:45:19.420 fast bit of a fast turn or i mean obviously i think one of the things that the theme of doctor 00:45:19.540 --> 00:45:26.220 who is you know the the problem that the doctor needs to overcome in this universe it's not evil 00:45:26.420 --> 00:45:33.480 it's not this it's not deadly monsters the problem to be overcome is a lack of understanding 00:45:34.220 --> 00:45:38.119 right he says that over and over so i've only understood earlier if only understood earlier 00:45:38.120 --> 00:45:43.140 it's like it is it is about coming to an understanding and i kind of wonder if that's 00:45:43.300 --> 00:45:51.920 what's going to be the theme here going forward in a more obvious way than it has been in the past 00:45:52.140 --> 00:45:57.680 or a more overt way like this is going to be about solving problems through understanding 00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:03.339 we're going to be mediating our issues this show is going to be about having meetings 00:46:03.700 --> 00:46:10.840 around a table and negotiating exciting exciting negotiating um all right we already talked about 00:46:10.900 --> 00:46:16.980 there's way too much disney introduction uh uh one thing i should mention uh bogeyman bogeyman 00:46:17.580 --> 00:46:24.460 bogey is a word for the devil bogeyman is a monster bogeyman however considering how much 00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:29.480 effort it felt like they were putting into this for the rest of the world bogey is not a word we 00:46:29.500 --> 00:46:36.400 use in the united states for snot there is no correlation between the bogeyman and a booger 00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:43.740 which is what we call them and i looked it up just to make sure i was wrong and bogey is a uk variant 00:46:44.500 --> 00:46:52.580 of booger it's like we just don't use it so the joke doesn't land very well i don't know how that 00:46:52.580 --> 00:46:57.240 will i mean should work should work great in england but i don't know about the rest of the 00:46:57.160 --> 00:47:01.880 world well i'll reassure the people who are worried about the disney money let me tell you 00:47:02.580 --> 00:47:08.720 the disney money i can just you just see it all over the place showing it off for no good effect 00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:14.620 like the cgi kids faces i mean they couldn't have done it before but it just feels like we've we've 00:47:14.700 --> 00:47:23.300 got we've got this money and we can do this and nobody had this had the sense to stand back and 00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:30.700 but should we because it didn't work those kids faces did not work and i'll put that to my wife 00:47:31.180 --> 00:47:38.180 saying it's not so much you know a they're not very well synced to the words that's one thing 00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:45.760 but their facial expressions are wrong when they're happy they're not yeah they look angry 00:47:46.190 --> 00:47:52.179 they they just don't or scared or scared or yeah they're just completely in the the wrong 00:47:52.200 --> 00:47:57.060 And, you know, it's like those, there used to be these cartoons, I use the term loosely, 00:47:57.520 --> 00:48:02.260 that there was an animation technique in the 50s, I believe it was, where they would take 00:48:02.790 --> 00:48:09.980 a still image, a drawing, and then they would like superimpose, not superimpose, I think 00:48:10.060 --> 00:48:13.580 they'd cut a hole in the drawing and they'd stick somebody's lips through it and have 00:48:13.700 --> 00:48:14.160 them talk. 00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.540 Or it's just nightmare fuel. 00:48:18.900 --> 00:48:21.020 And that's what these reminded me of. 00:48:21.460 --> 00:48:28.520 a truly truly it's like i cannot believe that you somebody did it i mean they must have been 00:48:28.570 --> 00:48:33.980 sitting in the meeting well it's too late now we're gonna have to run with this because rdd 00:48:34.030 --> 00:48:41.120 has written the script and we've gone on but i'm not sure i'm not sure i mean you could be right 00:48:41.170 --> 00:48:49.699 and it could be that's what the overacting was intended to kind of compensate for the fact that 00:48:49.720 --> 00:48:55.840 We needed to be getting everything through the Doctor and Ruby's reactions. 00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:07.420 But I think the Doctor and Ruby's reactions actually probably reflect a kind of self-satisfaction that they will have with this episode. 00:49:07.740 --> 00:49:10.500 They will think it actually did work really well. 00:49:11.160 --> 00:49:13.700 And I mean, who's to say it didn't? 00:49:13.700 --> 00:49:17.480 I don't know that our responses to the show are typical. 00:49:17.780 --> 00:49:22.640 But my feeling about the Disney money is that, yeah, it's showing up in all of the wrong places. 00:49:22.820 --> 00:49:31.560 And what makes Doctor Who Doctor Who is the fact that it's made on a budget and they write around the fact that there are things that they can't do. 00:49:32.240 --> 00:49:35.440 And that would mean, I mean, Doctor Who has always pushed the boundaries. 00:49:36.040 --> 00:49:42.460 They've never not done something because they didn't have the budget, but they've just found ways to kind of minimise it. 00:49:42.520 --> 00:49:55.680 And so the space baby's idea, I think, would have involved maybe one baby captaining the ship filmed very sparingly with only a few seconds full on facial expression. 00:49:55.790 --> 00:50:00.120 So they would do a tiny, tiny, tiny amount of animation that would be very, very expensive. 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:06.800 And the rest of it would all be done just with clever side shots or ropey lighting or whatever. 00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:09.660 It could have. Yeah. 00:50:11.060 --> 00:50:14.980 Speaking of Disney money, how about that fart in space? 00:50:15.900 --> 00:50:21.420 I mean, just in case you thought maybe it's not a fart, it's an explosion. 00:50:21.600 --> 00:50:26.700 I mean, no, no, that looked like a cartoon fart from a comic strip. 00:50:27.300 --> 00:50:28.460 Didn't think that was very good. 00:50:29.040 --> 00:50:29.380 Let's see. 00:50:29.520 --> 00:50:30.740 We talked about the dinosaurs. 00:50:31.120 --> 00:50:36.460 We talked about how they could not possibly have hopped in the TARDIS and gone, well, I'm gone. 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:47.500 The changed memory, the doctor remembering the night Ruby was dropped off and then suddenly the woman behaved differently and then there was snow. 00:50:48.720 --> 00:50:50.060 I don't even know what to say about it. 00:50:50.640 --> 00:50:52.840 I'm assuming we'll get an explanation for that. 00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:53.860 I hope. 00:50:54.420 --> 00:50:58.900 They told me I'd get an explanation for Bad Wolf 2, but it still doesn't hold up. 00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:04.160 Well, I think you might not like the explanation, but there is going to be... 00:51:04.420 --> 00:51:05.800 There'll be a payoff of some kind. 00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:06.880 Exactly. 00:51:07.220 --> 00:51:14.100 That was one of the things where I thought, is there going to be an answer to this in the episode or are we going to have to wait? 00:51:14.220 --> 00:51:15.660 I think the answer is we're going to have to wait. 00:51:16.140 --> 00:51:17.460 I am really surprised, though. 00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:21.980 I honestly thought, and maybe I still do, right? 00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:26.480 But as far as I know, there was no mention of the word mavity in this episode. 00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:27.420 Okay. 00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:29.340 That's the else you like. 00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:31.100 Yeah, there you go. 00:51:31.160 --> 00:51:47.480 I have come to the opinion that, and it does kind of fit with the whole Ruby stepping on the butterfly being some sort of indication that, you know, something's amiss with the universe as we understand it. 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.400 That perhaps they're not even in the universe we understand it. 00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:52.420 We think they are. 00:51:53.060 --> 00:51:53.180 Right? 00:51:53.340 --> 00:51:59.700 They're in some other form of reality, whether it's mentally controlled reality or parallel. 00:51:59.720 --> 00:52:06.180 I think that is the case. And I think Mavity is the bad wolf clue that that's where we are. 00:52:06.780 --> 00:52:14.200 I think as long as we keep getting Mavity, we are in this parallel thing. So, you know, they use it. 00:52:14.600 --> 00:52:16.760 Mavity predates the salt, so doesn't it? 00:52:17.300 --> 00:52:21.560 It does. It does predate the salt. It absolutely predates the salt. 00:52:23.020 --> 00:52:27.780 But what it doesn't do is it does not predate the new TARDIS. 00:52:28.260 --> 00:52:30.680 Now, if we think about, we've got the new TARDIS, right? 00:52:30.780 --> 00:52:32.120 The doctor's, ooh, new TARDIS. 00:52:32.780 --> 00:52:35.400 Donna screws it up, as Donna's want to do. 00:52:36.540 --> 00:52:38.480 They crash into Newton's tree. 00:52:38.820 --> 00:52:41.060 Then they go to the edge of space, and they come back. 00:52:41.340 --> 00:52:42.840 And we've had this continuous line. 00:52:43.180 --> 00:52:48.540 And up until this point, as far as we know, the doctor never realized he needed to turn on the butterfly compensation switch. 00:52:48.940 --> 00:52:50.940 So prior to this, it's been off. 00:52:51.080 --> 00:52:54.560 They've been screwing around the timelines since that moment. 00:52:55.780 --> 00:53:00.020 But it's going to be one of those parallel uniform or some sort of mental. 00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:10.680 It's it's that it's the who is the guy who was the guy that created the world of land of fiction? 00:53:11.460 --> 00:53:12.360 Is that the mind robber? 00:53:13.040 --> 00:53:13.260 Yes. 00:53:14.020 --> 00:53:16.480 No, he's the master of the land of fiction, isn't he? 00:53:17.140 --> 00:53:17.780 Yes, that's it. 00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:18.660 He was. 00:53:18.660 --> 00:53:20.380 But he was a writer of some kind. 00:53:20.980 --> 00:53:21.040 Yes. 00:53:21.420 --> 00:53:22.620 In before he ended up there. 00:53:22.700 --> 00:53:25.460 He was an author of some nature. 00:53:26.120 --> 00:53:30.660 we could be in something like that so we're in the land of fiction that's that's where we are 00:53:30.740 --> 00:53:35.520 for this whole we brought back the toy maker and we're in the land of fiction i think that's where 00:53:35.520 --> 00:53:42.860 we're going um the mind robber is an absolutely brilliant serial it's a wonderful concept 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:51.500 but you can't just stretch it at infinitum he get they get yes it is and it's it's the a one way in 00:53:51.520 --> 00:53:59.300 a science fiction show to get away with pure fantasy nonsense i that's i i don't know it just 00:53:59.460 --> 00:54:05.400 feels like when you went back to the celestial toy maker it feels like rtd is for the first 00:54:05.520 --> 00:54:11.700 time looking back he didn't do that the first time through when he was at the start as you said 00:54:11.780 --> 00:54:19.680 earlier he's he's setting going forward and starting off and he was sparing i mean obviously 00:54:19.700 --> 00:54:24.780 he brought the Daleks back pretty much straight away but he was sparing about what he brought 00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:30.340 back which is another reason why I was thinking the woman who fell to earth is quite a good 00:54:30.580 --> 00:54:35.880 parallel of how you bring a new audience along because you have that entire season where you 00:54:36.020 --> 00:54:45.380 don't bring back any kind of recurring monsters and I loved that and I would like RTD to create 00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:51.680 something new just like he did in effect create something new in 2005 well considering that he's 00:54:51.740 --> 00:54:58.000 already given us a complete info dump about everything and we made it very clear that he's 00:54:58.120 --> 00:55:04.200 going to do something with the timeless child somehow yes we're well i mean it's all the 00:55:04.420 --> 00:55:10.000 foundling stuff although oh for please please please maybe that's it maybe that's all part of 00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:17.280 the land of fiction he's gonna fix it by undoing it the doctor's gonna pop out in a shower uh 00:55:17.820 --> 00:55:29.440 later on and go whoa what a dream oh right um i will add i do not like um another thing i did not 00:55:29.600 --> 00:55:37.760 like but in a different way um every time we're talking about the baby space babies and then we've 00:55:37.720 --> 00:55:46.360 gotta run down and save the babies space babies shut up already i think that adds to that whole 00:55:47.060 --> 00:55:55.460 amateur high school drama production um just not good not good i'm thinking it just it was 00:55:55.740 --> 00:56:01.440 it was a choice to make this episode the first of this season because i could understand it had 00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:06.940 been shunted to like the fifth episode or whatever the calm before the storm or something but yeah 00:56:06.900 --> 00:56:07.560 I know this, 00:56:07.770 --> 00:56:11.540 this really not a good start in my opinion, 00:56:12.460 --> 00:56:12.920 my opinion, 00:56:13.100 --> 00:56:13.280 maybe, 00:56:13.560 --> 00:56:14.640 maybe there's people out there. 00:56:14.700 --> 00:56:15.480 Maybe it is. 00:56:15.560 --> 00:56:16.100 Maybe it is. 00:56:16.160 --> 00:56:17.140 That's the scary film. 00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:18.780 Maybe it is the best. 00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:19.500 No, 00:56:19.680 --> 00:56:21.220 I'm still counting on episode three. 00:56:22.020 --> 00:56:23.620 That's the only thing that's going to be going. 00:56:24.260 --> 00:56:27.340 The only thing keeping me going right at the moment is episode three. 00:56:28.200 --> 00:56:31.340 I've already seen what the villain looks like in the devil's cord. 00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:32.080 And, 00:56:32.150 --> 00:56:32.440 you know, 00:56:32.540 --> 00:56:34.640 like seen just a couple of movie clubs and I'm like, 00:56:34.720 --> 00:56:34.940 Nope, 00:56:35.080 --> 00:56:36.540 this is not going to be good. 00:56:38.040 --> 00:56:45.340 this is not gonna be good um looks like a disney villain and that's not a compliment and 00:56:46.300 --> 00:56:56.560 ah so where where did eric get a wooden sword but did he make it did they do they have toys 00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:04.820 don't they get toys on a baby farm i don't know i mean would a baby have a toy sword wouldn't the 00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:10.280 isn't the purpose of this whole thing is it at some point the babies at a younger age than they 00:57:10.540 --> 00:57:15.780 currently are go down to the planet and take up their place as babies i refer you to the 00:57:16.060 --> 00:57:23.480 some moments ago yeah this this whole thing does not have you don't get a complete picture of how 00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:30.680 this is supposed to work or how it's gone wrong so i don't know i i will say that i think if i'm 00:57:30.700 --> 00:57:36.300 not mistaken this is the first time star trek got a name check in doctor who certainly on tv 00:57:37.160 --> 00:57:41.900 yeah yeah yeah i mean i know there's been crossover comic books but oh i didn't know that 00:57:42.660 --> 00:57:48.020 yeah there had i think matt smith has been on board and for the enterprise d so not the real 00:57:48.220 --> 00:57:54.920 enterprise but that'll probably get more hate mail than yeah there have been there have been 00:57:54.860 --> 00:58:01.160 audio episodes where ace has repeatedly said has been she's been she's been on the bridge of a 00:58:01.420 --> 00:58:07.420 starship and repeatedly said make it happen or make it so i may have got the line wrong because 00:58:07.600 --> 00:58:14.080 i haven't quite got that far in my star trek watch make it so yeah make it so there you go 00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:20.380 on the original series yeah they in the original series they didn't have to have a catchphrase now 00:58:20.380 --> 00:58:27.500 all the captains have to have a catchphrase whether it's let's try or make it so or hit it 00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:34.180 or um i can't remember what the other one is but but they get it it's a weird thing this made me 00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:39.500 think of it star trek has always had transporters that's just a that's just a plot device that 00:58:39.620 --> 00:58:45.100 they've always had they've always called them transporters um doctor who has had them for ages 00:58:45.120 --> 00:58:52.280 but they always call them transmats matter transmitters right it they they have a specific 00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:58.040 yeah but transmat short for transmit matter they have called them matter transmitters in some 00:58:58.180 --> 00:59:05.080 places it is i've always felt like it was a choice not to call them transporters it was interesting 00:59:05.220 --> 00:59:09.980 that she called it i believe because i'm not going back to watch it again and the subtitles don't 00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:18.940 work on the iPlayer it was Star Trek matter transporters she called it I believe which I 00:59:19.100 --> 00:59:27.580 thought no one ever calls them matter transporters on Star Trek ever not ever like so that was an 00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:34.300 it's almost like he was trying to blur the lines between the two uh in that line and it was 00:59:34.460 --> 00:59:39.960 interesting that the doctor did say we will have to go visit them which I thought okay that's a 00:59:39.980 --> 00:59:45.960 cheeky line but all right yes all right yes maybe maybe they with the way this show ran they could 00:59:46.160 --> 00:59:52.200 cross over with lower decks no problem they could shout at each other all day loud and running around 00:59:52.380 --> 01:00:00.760 and flipping out that is all i have i've i've saved one thing that i liked just to end on a positive 01:00:01.120 --> 01:00:08.380 note and it's not right okay in in the info dump about the tardis and why the tardis looks like a 01:00:08.300 --> 01:00:15.060 1963 police box and how it's got a chameleon circuit but the chameleon circuit is is broken 01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:21.640 um i i love the doctor's line where he says most of the universe is knackered love 01:00:22.600 --> 01:00:31.060 yeah yeah well yeah fair enough uh that's not what i thought he said but um i'll take your 01:00:31.060 --> 01:00:36.700 word for it i thought it did it did make me laugh i said rtg couldn't write humor and he and he 01:00:37.240 --> 01:00:40.620 oh i thought you said most of the universe i thought most of the universe was funnier 01:00:41.500 --> 01:00:48.180 but i didn't think it was a funny line so i just thought it made me it made me laugh i said rtd 01:00:48.540 --> 01:00:54.420 couldn't couldn't do humor and i said all the info dump was pointless but if there's a gag in 01:00:54.560 --> 01:01:00.780 there and it was a funny gag it deserves credit so it deserves credit i wonder if uh i wonder if 01:01:00.820 --> 01:01:06.680 he went to moffitt and said hey i need a i need a funny line all right here's one for free 01:01:07.720 --> 01:01:09.500 No commission required. 01:01:10.040 --> 01:01:10.320 All right. 01:01:10.860 --> 01:01:17.000 Well, so, listeners, basically they did two episodes of this show. 01:01:18.300 --> 01:01:22.800 They dumped two episodes at once because of the whole streaming thing. 01:01:23.520 --> 01:01:36.120 So we're going to be back tomorrow for the next episode of Doctor Who in trying to keep our schedule somewhat contemporary with the release schedule of the Doctor Who episodes. 01:01:36.820 --> 01:01:42.600 so because we couldn't we didn't manage to watch and then record and then watch another and then 01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:48.360 record again all in one day given the time zone differences and everything else we're contending 01:01:48.560 --> 01:01:58.100 with yes so uh we'll be we'll be um i mean and i will be looking at episode two we'll be recording 01:01:58.220 --> 01:02:03.260 it and release well we'll be recording it on our tomorrow and then we'll be releasing it on your 01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:05.140 tomorrow because they're not necessarily 01:02:05.340 --> 01:02:06.060 the same day. 01:02:08.300 --> 01:02:09.060 They will be back. 01:02:09.100 --> 01:02:10.320 Timey, wimey, wibbly, wobbly. 01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:12.580 Oh yeah. 01:02:13.180 --> 01:02:14.640 Simon, thank you for joining me. 01:02:15.140 --> 01:02:16.280 It's a pleasure as always. 01:02:17.140 --> 01:02:19.160 And listeners, I hope you'll join 01:02:19.180 --> 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