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Welcome to season 7, episode 2 of the

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In this episode, we'll be talking with Brandon

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to making gun owners more knowledgeable. Today, we're

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joined with Brandon Fisher from Precision Defense Solutions.

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Welcome to the podcast, Brandon. Thanks, Rob. I

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appreciate you having me. Well, I appreciate you

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taking the time. For those that don't know

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who Brandon Fisher is in Precision Defense Solutions,

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can you give our listeners a little bit

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of Fisher is in Precision Defense Solutions, can

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you give our listeners a little bit of

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your background and what you do there? Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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So started my

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my, I guess, my self defense journey when

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I was a kid, when I was 8

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and it just kinda

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spiraled. I mean, it it's it's kinda hard

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to put in in short terms, honestly.

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This is my 40th year,

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in in martial arts,

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either either I've been doing this too long

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or I'm maybe not quite right in the

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head. I don't know.

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I I absolutely love it, and I think

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part of that is because of my my

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love for people.

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I I tell people that I don't teach

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self defense. I teach more of a,

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self protection or life preservation,

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mindset.

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You know, people talk about prepping,

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whatever, and and I said, well, what about

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prepping

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for your preservation?

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Not just with food and water, but, you

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know, what if somebody attacks you? So that's

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kind of my mindset with it.

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Through the martial arts, it's just kinda expanded

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out into firearms training.

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I've been shooting since I was 12.

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I mean, like, my grandmother raised me, and

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you know, I grew up in the days

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of dart guns and cat guns, and she

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took the opportunity to teach firearm safety at

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that time and because,

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and we just kinda grew from that.

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even though I I had had a concealed

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carry permit, when I lived in Indiana, when

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I was 18. When I moved back to

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Ohio didn't have concealed carry, so we,

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you know, waited and, just and when Ohio

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did do it, it wasn't quite

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what I thought was good. I thought it

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was kinda dangerous.

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Looked at my wife, and I said, I

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think we need to get a concealed carry

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permit. She kinda looked at me like I

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had 2 heads. She didn't have a clue

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what we were talking about.

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But she knew a guy that taught classes

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on the weekend, went through the class.

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jump through hoops,

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horrible class.

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criticized her.

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life, and it was,

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it almost caused her to never pick up

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a gun again,

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because she felt like it was something she

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couldn't do.

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So I said, you know, I said, I

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think we can do better than this.

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getting certification to teach,

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firearms. Had been doing personal protection for a

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while. I mean, college campuses and and, you

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know, different universities and such.

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The NRA instructor course was

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impressed by it.

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quite a number of years,

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and I just looked at it and I

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said, you know, this is this is one

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step in the grand scheme of things,

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and just, kind of, kept growing.

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they led me into,

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looking at Force Science. So

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I've done, I've got 3, certifications through Force

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realistic de escalation for security professionals,

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realistic de escalation,

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instructor,

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which is an an outstanding course,

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and then,

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for science, and I am a for science

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certified analyst,

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which they never honestly thought I would become

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an analyst,

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and and start into doing consulting and and

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things like that.

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Well Kind of a short snippet.

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it, which,

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started talking a little bit about it because

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listeners, long term listeners know that we had

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founder of the For Science Institute on Bill

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Lewinsky back in season 1 episode 86.

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He was talking about human factors

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then, but,

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he took an analyst course. Can you tell

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us a little bit more about, you know,

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what those what those, three courses were about?

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Because I think from an instructor standpoint,

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I've I haven't taken them. I've looked at

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them, just haven't been able to fit in

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my schedule, but it's also one of those

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things where instructors might think about taking those

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courses so they can be a better instructor

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and or have the better knowledge of about

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that even for themselves.

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I'm a big fan of force science.

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You know, I got hooked from the the

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deescalation

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course for security professionals, went right into the,

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instructor course,

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and then right into the analyst course. So

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the analyst side of things because

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when we look at human behavior

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not only the behavior, but human,

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our how stress affects memory,

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how we process memory,

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how we actually see things.

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vision vision because that's that's something that's very

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personal to me.

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Those that know me that are very close,

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know that I do have a a vision

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I do not have any peripheral vision.

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peripheral vision,

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and then they're like, oh, you lose that

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under stress and you get tunnel vision. Well,

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to understand that when when we have peripheral

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it's not that clear. Right? So if we

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look at the backgrounds as, as we're recording

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this on Zoom, and I know you're using

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audio, but a blurred background.

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Okay? That's kinda like what peripheral vision is.

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It's not perfectly clear. You can see it.

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it really gets your attention, you have to

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these and these these are things that people

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don't even realize they're doing. We do them

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how we see things, how we process things

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through our vision,

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and which then, of course, affects how we,

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develop those neuropathways and memory.

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what the analyst course does, that's kinda how

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in short, how we look at human performance,

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and decision making,

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and how it affects,

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de escalation. So if we get into a

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situation where we talk about de escalation

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and,

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you know, people say, well,

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you can deescalate somebody.

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The reality of it is you really can't.

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You can help guide somebody in the right

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direction.

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But if they don't want to do it,

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you're not going to force them.

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And it's because of that

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kinda

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steadfast and true mindset of, nope. I'm digging

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my heels in. There's no way it's gonna

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happen.

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And one of the things that we talk

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about in de escalation

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is

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people will say,

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well, you need to do this, and and

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very aggressive, very,

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commanding type.

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That's not gonna get anybody to deescalate. That's

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gonna escalate their feelings. They're gonna feel like

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they're not being heard.

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And with that said,

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then

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you get the people that go, just tell

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them to calm down.

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Yeah. That never works. Yeah. It never works.

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Never works.

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And I'm and and, usually, in my classes,

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I'll make a joke about that when I

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talk about de escalation.

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And, you know, I had I had taken

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some classes or a class with Masada Yub.

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And if and if you've ever taken a

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class with Masada Yub, you know the man

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is a genius when it comes to speaking

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and getting a a a point across.

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Mhmm. Definitely. When he raises that voice and

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that deep voice of his,

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and that's kind of what I do is

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I'll I'll talk at a normal level and

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then just raise my voice instantly

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and watch everybody just jump.

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Yep. And just to kinda show them how

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that that plays a part.

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But through the analyst courses, we look at

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not only,

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human performance factors, but also how

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different, positions in the body can affect,

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breathing,

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heart rate,

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and things like that too.

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You know? So we're looking at ballistics. We're

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we're looking at that. And in fact, I

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just worked on a court case

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that literally,

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the the claim was

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that

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the

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the defendant had fired rounds

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straight down into the ground.

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The police report said that there were shell

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casings found inside

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the house, inside of a screened in room.

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So I started looking at, well, is it

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a patio or is it a deck? Now

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those are things I would have never thought

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about prior to Force Science.

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Turned out it was a deck that was

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at least 10 feet off the ground,

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which then caused me to think, okay. Well,

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if there's showcasings are in the screened in

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room, there's no way he was pointing down

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at the ground unless

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he was leaning over the rail.

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So when I met with him, I asked

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him that very question, and he's like, oh,

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no. I was standing back, and my I

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was pointing out at a downward angle.

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So my my assessment of just that from

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all the study with for science allowed me

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to,

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you know, kinda debunk that that story.

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And it's a and it's a really unfortunate

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case because it it he's a young kid,

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that made some pretty dumb choices,

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that,

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is costing him,

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you know, pretty significantly now.

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Mhmm. Yeah. I go I go along when

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I'm

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talking to students a lot of time,

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make sure they realize that, you know, everything

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they see on Hollywood, the movies,

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looks really cool. You know, gets the desired

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reaction they want, everything else like that, but

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probably 90% of it is illegal.

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You know, you will go to jail, for

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doing that kind of things. You know? The

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warning shots, they, you know, you know, shoot

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them shoot them in the leg, you know,

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all these kind of things. If,

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you know, you're setting yourself up

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in legal jeopardy

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by even considering some of those things because

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if you're under, you know, you know, threat

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of death or bodily or severe bodily harm,

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you aren't gonna be able to go along

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and, you know, shoot the gun out of

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their hand or shoot them just in the

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leg or, you know, if you couldn't have

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been in fear if you're able to go

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along, fire a warning shot because obviously you

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had enough time to go along and do

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the warning shot. And those are things where,

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you know, too many people you know, watch

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too many movies and don't understand

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literally the science behind things. Oh, yes. Absolutely.

403
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Absolutely.

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The the you know, one of the things

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that I've heard John Correa say so many

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times is, does it really matter,

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where you shoot somebody or why?

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And and it really does boil down to

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the why and,

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you know, people making

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some of the decisions. And like you said,

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you know, shoot them in the leg. I

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hear that

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so much,

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and I and I and I cringe

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every time I hear it,

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every time.

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And I'm like, nope. Good luck.

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You know? You're gonna be lucky if you

420
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know? And I and I tell people, you

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know, in in my in my concealed carry

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classes, I really kinda force small targets

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because the stress level, I tell them, you're

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gonna it's gonna double.

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So if you're shooting a 2 inch group

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and it doubles to 4 inches, you're so

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good.

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But if you if you're shooting an 8

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inch group and it doubles,

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what are you hitting?

431
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Because the chances are, under stress, you're gonna

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miss anyway.

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I mean Yep. Yeah. There's a lot of,

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research, you know, from police officers and officer

435
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involved shootings that, you know, no matter what

436
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they qualify with, they still are hitting, like,

437
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less than 50% of the time. Right.

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Yeah. In fact so for science has actually

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shown that, police officers' hit rate,

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under stress is

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exceptionally low, like exceptionally low.

442
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Mhmm.

443
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And

444
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so the average

445
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firearms carrier, a lot of times well, we're

446
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better than the average cop because we train

447
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all the time. Well,

448
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training and practice.

449
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Like I tell people, if you're practicing

450
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at the range, that's one thing. But are

451
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you practicing good habits, or are you practicing

452
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bad habits?

453
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Right.

454
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In fact, I I have even changed the

455
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way I present

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the the rules of firearm safety

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and talk about create you know, creating habits.

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And I've actually started calling them the habits

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of firearms safety,

460
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because I tell people we need to create

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those habits. We don't we don't wanna have

462
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to think about all this stuff that we

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need to do.

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We need to make it a habit and

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just do it.

466
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Mhmm. Yeah. Definitely. You know, there's a lot

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of things about,

468
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firearms.

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You know, as I go along and say,

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firearms is a 100% game where either you

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follow, you know, you have the good habits

472
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a 100% of the time

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because if you're 99%,

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and that would be a great test score

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at any school,

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but if you're if you got a habit

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that's only 9 99% of the time, then

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you're probably gonna have one of those instances

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where some where something happens, unfortunately, you know,

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negligent discharge,

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something or somebody is gonna get damaged.

482
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Yep. Yep. And I I unfortunately

483
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got the great privilege

484
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of wrapping somebody's hand after they shot themselves

485
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in the hand.

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And,

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so let me I I will say this.

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Get good trauma care,

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Drake. I mean, seriously.

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Seriously. You know, I think stop the bleeds,

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you know, basic CPR, things like that, that's

492
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great. But the more you can get and

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the more often you can get it,

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the better,

495
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you're gonna be because you you just you

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never know when you're gonna need it.

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And, I mean, I,

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you know, I've seen it. I've used it,

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and I just can't recommend it enough to

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for people to go out and get that.

501
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Mhmm.

502
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Yeah.

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I've never been in a situation people said,

504
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I wish I had less training in this

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area. It's always been, I wish I have

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more, and that's where I've taken several different

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trauma classes and each one you take a

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little bit away from and and you

509
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also get reminded different things you might

510
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have not because

511
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that's a meta. As firearm instructors,

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we're it's hope that we don't we're not

513
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using our, you know, our

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trauma skills every day.

515
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You know, if you're a paramedic EMT, then

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you're using it every day just like we

517
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probably shoot more than most people and that's

518
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where

519
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certain gun

520
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approaches are good, you know, how to go

521
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along, take care of certain problems with guns,

522
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it comes second nature to us. But that's

523
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where we've got to keep that in mind

524
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that

525
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new shooters aren't gonna know it as well

526
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as well as we do. So sometimes we

527
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gotta go back to the basics and remind

528
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ourselves that, oh, okay. They don't know it

529
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doesn't come as natural to them as it

530
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does to me.

531
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Right. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely.

532
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Well, that's that's definitely a very, very, very

533
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interesting.

534
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And one of the things I think is

535
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really interesting with what you've done with 4

536
00:19:22,539 --> 00:19:23,920
Science, you've also parlayed

537
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that over into doing some

538
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legal consulting

539
00:19:27,835 --> 00:19:29,595
and stuff like that. Can can you describe

540
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how that Mhmm. Kinda came about?

541
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You know, I

542
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I really don't know. It just kinda happened.

543
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My guess is

544
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I mean, like, in the legal in in

545
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the legal world,

546
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if they start looking for consultants, they wanna

547
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know background.

548
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And I had seen I don't know for

549
00:19:51,974 --> 00:19:53,835
sure if this is where it came from,

550
00:19:54,599 --> 00:19:57,420
but the Ohio State, Probation Officers Association,

551
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,180
that somebody had mentioned my name.

552
00:20:02,544 --> 00:20:03,044
And

553
00:20:03,664 --> 00:20:04,804
so I got contacted

554
00:20:05,424 --> 00:20:06,484
by a,

555
00:20:07,345 --> 00:20:07,845
accounting,

556
00:20:08,544 --> 00:20:09,044
court

557
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:09,759
that,

558
00:20:10,399 --> 00:20:12,179
I'm gonna I'm gonna leave anonymous.

559
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:13,359
The

560
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:15,299
and we

561
00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:18,224
we started talking about it, and it took

562
00:20:18,224 --> 00:20:19,684
about 6 months

563
00:20:20,144 --> 00:20:20,644
of,

564
00:20:21,424 --> 00:20:21,924
vetting

565
00:20:22,704 --> 00:20:24,625
to make sure that I was gonna be

566
00:20:24,625 --> 00:20:26,244
able to do the job that they wanted,

567
00:20:26,529 --> 00:20:27,750
that the judge expected,

568
00:20:29,090 --> 00:20:32,070
and and be able to be flexible enough

569
00:20:32,850 --> 00:20:35,269
to meet all these different issues.

570
00:20:36,775 --> 00:20:39,595
So I've seen everything, you know, from,

571
00:20:40,694 --> 00:20:41,674
handling a firearm,

572
00:20:42,294 --> 00:20:42,794
like,

573
00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:45,730
improperly handling a firearm in a motor vehicle,

574
00:20:46,589 --> 00:20:47,650
disorderly conduct,

575
00:20:48,429 --> 00:20:50,130
using firearms while intoxicated,

576
00:20:51,309 --> 00:20:51,809
negligent

577
00:20:52,109 --> 00:20:52,609
discharge.

578
00:20:53,345 --> 00:20:54,005
You know,

579
00:20:54,305 --> 00:20:56,005
I've seen a a a few of those,

580
00:20:57,184 --> 00:20:57,684
and,

581
00:20:58,144 --> 00:20:59,745
you know, some of them much worse than

582
00:20:59,745 --> 00:21:02,325
others. You know, some of them were just

583
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:04,009
people being

584
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:05,369
really stupid,

585
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:07,609
and then others just

586
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:10,490
being a little ignorant of

587
00:21:10,835 --> 00:21:12,615
of what they could or couldn't do.

588
00:21:13,315 --> 00:21:15,255
You know? I did have one that,

589
00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:18,214
I submitted a report on,

590
00:21:19,970 --> 00:21:22,150
and it was a negligent discharge case.

591
00:21:22,769 --> 00:21:25,269
And the guy was going through some

592
00:21:25,809 --> 00:21:27,029
huge emotional,

593
00:21:28,930 --> 00:21:29,430
stress,

594
00:21:30,055 --> 00:21:32,315
His wife being pregnant, rough pregnancy.

595
00:21:34,375 --> 00:21:35,035
He was,

596
00:21:35,414 --> 00:21:37,679
working 80 hours a week taking care of

597
00:21:37,679 --> 00:21:38,899
his dad who was,

598
00:21:39,519 --> 00:21:41,220
suffering from stage 4 cancer.

599
00:21:42,639 --> 00:21:45,174
I mean, the guy was just, yeah, it

600
00:21:45,414 --> 00:21:46,714
and and, honestly,

601
00:21:47,015 --> 00:21:47,755
he just

602
00:21:49,095 --> 00:21:50,794
you know, he was trying to be safe.

603
00:21:51,255 --> 00:21:51,654
I mean

604
00:21:52,294 --> 00:21:52,794
and,

605
00:21:53,230 --> 00:21:55,869
you know, he was an, OPATA certified security

606
00:21:55,869 --> 00:21:56,369
officer,

607
00:21:57,710 --> 00:22:00,369
trained a lot, I mean, had numerous certifications

608
00:22:00,589 --> 00:22:01,330
through OPATA,

609
00:22:02,794 --> 00:22:03,855
and it still happened.

610
00:22:04,474 --> 00:22:06,974
And it and it literally boiled down to

611
00:22:07,515 --> 00:22:08,974
just way too much stress.

612
00:22:10,350 --> 00:22:11,869
And so but without Forsyth Science, I wouldn't

613
00:22:11,869 --> 00:22:13,250
have been able to explain that.

614
00:22:13,789 --> 00:22:14,289
So

615
00:22:15,070 --> 00:22:17,070
but luckily, we were able to get the

616
00:22:17,070 --> 00:22:19,570
charges dropped and moved on and,

617
00:22:20,414 --> 00:22:21,795
you know, and he he

618
00:22:22,575 --> 00:22:23,315
was able

619
00:22:23,855 --> 00:22:25,535
to kinda take it as a as a

620
00:22:25,535 --> 00:22:27,855
as a lesson learned without, you know, too

621
00:22:27,855 --> 00:22:28,595
much heartache.

622
00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:29,720
So

623
00:22:30,179 --> 00:22:31,299
Mhmm. Yep. That's,

624
00:22:32,819 --> 00:22:35,779
that's good that, you know, nobody got injured,

625
00:22:35,779 --> 00:22:37,765
and he was able to, you know, keep

626
00:22:37,845 --> 00:22:39,765
keep going. That's not always the case when

627
00:22:39,765 --> 00:22:40,744
it comes to firearms.

628
00:22:42,565 --> 00:22:44,484
Yeah. And it it's and I've been lucky

629
00:22:44,484 --> 00:22:45,785
with that so far

630
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,480
that, you know, things could have been much

631
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,539
worse than they were.

632
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,119
And I'm I you know, every time I

633
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,640
I get one, I just knock on wood

634
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,535
that that's gonna be the case.

635
00:22:59,315 --> 00:22:59,815
But

636
00:23:00,275 --> 00:23:02,695
every time I get a call about it,

637
00:23:03,075 --> 00:23:04,195
about doing another one, I

638
00:23:05,460 --> 00:23:06,980
and it's and it's only a couple a

639
00:23:06,980 --> 00:23:09,400
year, honestly, so it's not too bad, but

640
00:23:10,259 --> 00:23:10,759
it's

641
00:23:12,019 --> 00:23:13,460
and I and I really enjoy it, but

642
00:23:13,460 --> 00:23:14,855
it it's it's kind of stressful at

643
00:23:15,234 --> 00:23:16,054
times too,

644
00:23:17,714 --> 00:23:20,694
because I I have to remind myself

645
00:23:20,994 --> 00:23:21,494
that

646
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,539
a lot of people may not know

647
00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:27,159
as much as I do or may not

648
00:23:27,159 --> 00:23:29,179
care as much as I do.

649
00:23:31,345 --> 00:23:34,164
And I I also have that thought of,

650
00:23:35,184 --> 00:23:37,505
you know, how is the end result in

651
00:23:37,505 --> 00:23:39,125
my report going to affect

652
00:23:39,904 --> 00:23:40,724
this person?

653
00:23:42,130 --> 00:23:44,210
You know, as much as as I talk

654
00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:44,710
about

655
00:23:45,089 --> 00:23:46,069
protecting life,

656
00:23:46,849 --> 00:23:48,470
and and preserving life,

657
00:23:48,929 --> 00:23:50,369
I also see that as,

658
00:23:51,554 --> 00:23:53,575
helping people on the right path.

659
00:23:54,434 --> 00:23:55,815
And and sometimes

660
00:23:56,274 --> 00:23:57,174
I know that

661
00:23:57,634 --> 00:23:59,335
because of my brutal honesty,

662
00:24:01,579 --> 00:24:02,079
that

663
00:24:03,099 --> 00:24:04,539
it may cause people to go to go

664
00:24:04,539 --> 00:24:05,279
to jail.

665
00:24:06,700 --> 00:24:09,554
And and I hate that. I I'm still

666
00:24:09,554 --> 00:24:11,255
trying to work through that that reality.

667
00:24:12,755 --> 00:24:13,255
Mhmm.

668
00:24:14,515 --> 00:24:15,654
Yep. That's a

669
00:24:16,609 --> 00:24:19,570
difficult position to to be in, and you've

670
00:24:19,570 --> 00:24:20,630
also got the

671
00:24:22,049 --> 00:24:24,850
public safety, you know, considered too. You know

672
00:24:24,850 --> 00:24:25,590
what I mean?

673
00:24:26,244 --> 00:24:27,525
Somebody did something, but they

674
00:24:28,644 --> 00:24:31,204
you know, how much you know, who does

675
00:24:31,285 --> 00:24:33,845
who decides the, you know, punishment, different things

676
00:24:33,845 --> 00:24:35,869
like that, but that's where you gotta

677
00:24:36,409 --> 00:24:38,909
you gotta kinda let you know, that's the

678
00:24:39,529 --> 00:24:41,450
judgment's not in your hands. It's you just

679
00:24:41,450 --> 00:24:42,509
present the facts.

680
00:24:43,929 --> 00:24:46,464
Yep. Yep. And that's that's what my wife

681
00:24:46,464 --> 00:24:49,045
keeps reminding me is that it's

682
00:24:49,825 --> 00:24:51,445
that I can't make those choices.

683
00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:54,140
All I can do is provide information.

684
00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:55,579
Mhmm.

685
00:24:57,319 --> 00:24:57,819
So

686
00:24:59,480 --> 00:24:59,980
but

687
00:25:01,164 --> 00:25:02,545
it it's you know,

688
00:25:03,005 --> 00:25:05,244
even with all my martial arts, firearms training,

689
00:25:05,244 --> 00:25:06,144
all that stuff,

690
00:25:06,525 --> 00:25:08,924
some people see me as that I enjoy

691
00:25:08,924 --> 00:25:09,424
violence,

692
00:25:10,019 --> 00:25:10,519
and

693
00:25:11,140 --> 00:25:11,799
I don't.

694
00:25:12,580 --> 00:25:14,339
I mean, I'm I'm a person I don't

695
00:25:14,339 --> 00:25:15,559
even watch really

696
00:25:16,420 --> 00:25:18,724
violent movies. Like, I one of my black

697
00:25:18,724 --> 00:25:20,484
belts wanted me to go see John Wick

698
00:25:20,484 --> 00:25:22,825
4 with him, and I wouldn't do it.

699
00:25:22,964 --> 00:25:24,325
He's like, oh, but all the guns and

700
00:25:24,325 --> 00:25:25,605
the martial arts and blah blah blah. And

701
00:25:25,605 --> 00:25:26,450
I'm like, nope.

702
00:25:27,250 --> 00:25:27,990
Not interested.

703
00:25:28,609 --> 00:25:29,750
Give me a good comedy.

704
00:25:31,009 --> 00:25:31,669
You know?

705
00:25:32,769 --> 00:25:33,269
Because

706
00:25:33,974 --> 00:25:34,454
it's

707
00:25:34,855 --> 00:25:37,255
I can't I can't live it 247. It'll

708
00:25:37,255 --> 00:25:38,555
it'll it'll drive me nuts.

709
00:25:39,095 --> 00:25:39,595
Yep.

710
00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:42,799
I I watch, cartoons sometimes

711
00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:45,580
because it's very simple, and, you know, you

712
00:25:45,580 --> 00:25:47,420
definitely know they're not real and you can

713
00:25:47,420 --> 00:25:49,765
kind of, decompress while you're laughing at some

714
00:25:49,765 --> 00:25:51,605
of the silliness that goes on the cartoon.

715
00:25:51,605 --> 00:25:53,225
So, yep, I definitely,

716
00:25:53,684 --> 00:25:55,225
can identify with that.

717
00:25:57,340 --> 00:25:59,180
Alright, Brandon. One other thing we wanted to

718
00:25:59,180 --> 00:26:00,380
talk about a little bit, which,

719
00:26:01,259 --> 00:26:04,160
you know, there's probably instructors here that'll wanna

720
00:26:05,105 --> 00:26:07,105
bookmark this part of the podcast too because

721
00:26:07,105 --> 00:26:09,585
it's very interesting, but you're a brand ambassador

722
00:26:09,585 --> 00:26:11,585
for H&K. Do you wanna tell us a

723
00:26:11,585 --> 00:26:13,684
little bit about what that entails

724
00:26:14,089 --> 00:26:14,589
and,

725
00:26:15,250 --> 00:26:17,289
you know, how you got approached to be

726
00:26:17,289 --> 00:26:19,470
a brand brand ambassador? Because I'm sure there's

727
00:26:19,849 --> 00:26:21,929
other people maybe, you know, or instructors out

728
00:26:21,929 --> 00:26:25,134
there that maybe aren't necessarily interested with, H

729
00:26:25,134 --> 00:26:26,414
and K, but, you know, how do how

730
00:26:26,414 --> 00:26:28,414
do you approach a company and, you know,

731
00:26:28,414 --> 00:26:30,355
say, hey. I wanna be your branding master.

732
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,700
Yeah. It that's that's kind of tough

733
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,059
tough situation.

734
00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:38,140
So many companies,

735
00:26:39,244 --> 00:26:41,585
you know, they look at at highly qualified

736
00:26:41,805 --> 00:26:42,865
competitive shooters.

737
00:26:44,605 --> 00:26:46,944
You know, they want that big name,

738
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,299
to represent their company,

739
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:50,900
represent them in competition

740
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,059
and glasses and things like that.

741
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,160
So that's one avenue that people could could

742
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,025
play on that.

743
00:26:58,945 --> 00:27:00,005
But I'll tell you,

744
00:27:00,545 --> 00:27:02,005
with with H and K,

745
00:27:04,339 --> 00:27:06,599
I never I never saw myself

746
00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:08,039
being in this position,

747
00:27:09,460 --> 00:27:10,759
to be honest with you.

748
00:27:12,224 --> 00:27:13,904
You know, it, it kind of happened by

749
00:27:13,904 --> 00:27:14,404
chance,

750
00:27:15,984 --> 00:27:18,305
you know, because of, my friendship with, with,

751
00:27:18,625 --> 00:27:21,019
Neil Widener and, and the guys at Active

752
00:27:21,019 --> 00:27:21,720
Self Protection,

753
00:27:22,819 --> 00:27:24,039
Neil and I were talking,

754
00:27:24,420 --> 00:27:25,319
because I used

755
00:27:25,859 --> 00:27:28,579
to have a smorgasbord of different guns, for

756
00:27:28,579 --> 00:27:29,079
people.

757
00:27:29,765 --> 00:27:32,325
I mean, everything from from different Glocks and

758
00:27:32,325 --> 00:27:33,224
Smith and Wessons

759
00:27:33,765 --> 00:27:34,505
and whatever.

760
00:27:35,365 --> 00:27:37,785
And because I I always felt like

761
00:27:38,369 --> 00:27:40,630
if people could try different things,

762
00:27:41,490 --> 00:27:43,910
they could make a more educated decision.

763
00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:46,630
And I knew that I had bought

764
00:27:47,595 --> 00:27:48,734
guns that

765
00:27:49,115 --> 00:27:50,474
I just sat there and went, oh my

766
00:27:50,474 --> 00:27:53,214
god. Why why why did I do this?

767
00:27:53,755 --> 00:27:55,914
And I think everybody does that at some

768
00:27:55,914 --> 00:27:56,414
point.

769
00:27:56,900 --> 00:27:58,200
They buy something that

770
00:27:58,580 --> 00:28:00,100
they they wanna beat their head against the

771
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:02,100
wall. It doesn't work. It doesn't feel good.

772
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:03,859
It doesn't shoot right for them, whatever the

773
00:28:03,859 --> 00:28:04,359
reason.

774
00:28:06,444 --> 00:28:08,224
So I was at the local gun shop

775
00:28:08,444 --> 00:28:10,204
that that used to be open near me

776
00:28:10,204 --> 00:28:12,304
and used to work very closely with them.

777
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,819
And they had a VP 9.

778
00:28:16,679 --> 00:28:17,819
This is before the

779
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:20,519
this was right about the time the OPTIX

780
00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:21,980
ready versions were coming out.

781
00:28:23,244 --> 00:28:24,845
It was about 2 months before the OPTIX

782
00:28:24,845 --> 00:28:26,705
ready versions were were announced.

783
00:28:27,485 --> 00:28:29,424
And picked it up, $600.

784
00:28:29,805 --> 00:28:31,799
I'm like, cool. I get to try VP

785
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:32,700
9, whatever.

786
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:36,140
Took it out to the range, fell in

787
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,099
love with it.

788
00:28:39,705 --> 00:28:41,785
But, you know, so I added it. You

789
00:28:41,785 --> 00:28:44,045
know, I I I let people try it.

790
00:28:44,505 --> 00:28:46,505
More more and more people wanted to to

791
00:28:46,505 --> 00:28:48,605
try the VP nines. They were

792
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:51,200
more and more wanting to shoot the VP

793
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,180
nines through classes.

794
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,500
And so as,

795
00:28:55,974 --> 00:28:58,054
you know, more guns set in a safe,

796
00:28:58,054 --> 00:28:59,894
sold them off, bought another VP 9. Sold

797
00:28:59,894 --> 00:29:01,434
them off, bought another VP 9.

798
00:29:01,974 --> 00:29:03,254
And I got to the point where I

799
00:29:03,254 --> 00:29:05,200
was like, you know what? I I just

800
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,559
can't do this anymore financially.

801
00:29:07,919 --> 00:29:10,419
It it's just getting getting too crazy.

802
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:12,019
And

803
00:29:12,705 --> 00:29:14,404
so Neil Weidner and I were talking,

804
00:29:15,105 --> 00:29:16,785
one day, and I said, you know, Neil,

805
00:29:16,785 --> 00:29:17,525
I said,

806
00:29:18,865 --> 00:29:19,365
I

807
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:21,509
I really need to talk to to Bill

808
00:29:21,509 --> 00:29:22,009
Dermody.

809
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:24,809
And I couldn't and I knew Bill.

810
00:29:25,109 --> 00:29:26,710
I had met him at at conference in

811
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:27,210
2021.

812
00:29:28,125 --> 00:29:29,884
When he sat down across from me, I

813
00:29:29,884 --> 00:29:31,744
had no idea who he was,

814
00:29:33,485 --> 00:29:35,744
and which is kinda embarrassing to say now.

815
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,240
But he and I had a great conversation

816
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:39,980
that day,

817
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,059
and and ever since,

818
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:45,000
and we were at the NRA show in

819
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:45,500
Indianapolis

820
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:46,539
last year.

821
00:29:47,714 --> 00:29:49,974
And Neil and I were at the H&K

822
00:29:50,035 --> 00:29:51,815
booth, and we were talking to Bill.

823
00:29:52,994 --> 00:29:53,494
And

824
00:29:54,539 --> 00:29:55,819
Neil just looked at him, and he says,

825
00:29:55,819 --> 00:29:57,500
hey, Bill. He said, what's it gonna take

826
00:29:57,500 --> 00:29:59,200
for him to become a brand ambassador?

827
00:30:00,059 --> 00:30:00,559
And,

828
00:30:01,980 --> 00:30:03,759
Bill looked up at Neil, and he said,

829
00:30:04,115 --> 00:30:04,855
your approval.

830
00:30:06,355 --> 00:30:07,734
And Neil said, well,

831
00:30:08,194 --> 00:30:08,855
you know,

832
00:30:10,595 --> 00:30:13,095
it has been an outstanding partnership.

833
00:30:14,829 --> 00:30:16,690
I love working with h and k.

834
00:30:17,630 --> 00:30:18,450
They have,

835
00:30:19,470 --> 00:30:21,169
they have treated me wonderfully,

836
00:30:21,549 --> 00:30:24,174
and and I and I all I can

837
00:30:24,174 --> 00:30:25,794
hope is that I returned

838
00:30:26,494 --> 00:30:27,875
the same amount of

839
00:30:28,255 --> 00:30:31,534
quality that they, in relationship as they have

840
00:30:31,534 --> 00:30:32,355
given me.

841
00:30:33,059 --> 00:30:33,559
Mhmm.

842
00:30:34,259 --> 00:30:34,759
And,

843
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:37,160
you know,

844
00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:37,960
so

845
00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:40,440
what what I try to do up here,

846
00:30:41,534 --> 00:30:42,595
as much as possible

847
00:30:43,294 --> 00:30:45,315
because I I teach smaller classes,

848
00:30:46,014 --> 00:30:48,609
I wanna reach more people with it. So

849
00:30:48,609 --> 00:30:50,369
the local range that that,

850
00:30:50,769 --> 00:30:52,849
we work with, in fact, it's the only

851
00:30:52,849 --> 00:30:54,230
indoor range that we use.

852
00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:56,549
We worked that closely with them.

853
00:30:57,224 --> 00:30:57,724
And,

854
00:30:58,585 --> 00:31:00,984
you know, they just the the range was

855
00:31:00,984 --> 00:31:01,484
sold,

856
00:31:02,504 --> 00:31:03,644
earlier this year.

857
00:31:04,504 --> 00:31:06,284
It transferred hands, actually,

858
00:31:07,049 --> 00:31:07,609
at the,

859
00:31:08,089 --> 00:31:08,809
during the,

860
00:31:09,690 --> 00:31:11,849
Great American Outdoor Show. So we were in

861
00:31:11,849 --> 00:31:13,389
in Harrisburg when it did.

862
00:31:13,929 --> 00:31:14,990
I got a message

863
00:31:15,714 --> 00:31:17,494
that it had transferred hands,

864
00:31:18,115 --> 00:31:18,615
and

865
00:31:19,154 --> 00:31:21,474
they they had told me that it was

866
00:31:21,474 --> 00:31:21,974
coming,

867
00:31:24,679 --> 00:31:25,179
but,

868
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:27,480
you know, not a whole lot of detail

869
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,259
because the sale hadn't gone through.

870
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,079
But they said they wanna go full in

871
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:32,940
on HK. And I said,

872
00:31:33,595 --> 00:31:35,534
great. Let's let's make that happen.

873
00:31:36,794 --> 00:31:37,294
So,

874
00:31:38,075 --> 00:31:40,335
you know, of course, they they dumped a

875
00:31:40,394 --> 00:31:42,839
ton of money into the range. Oh my

876
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:45,639
god, Rob. They they completely renovated it. New

877
00:31:45,639 --> 00:31:46,139
flooring,

878
00:31:46,919 --> 00:31:48,859
build it out, new bathrooms, everything.

879
00:31:49,804 --> 00:31:51,164
So they haven't been able to get a

880
00:31:51,164 --> 00:31:54,065
premium dealership yet. They're working on it,

881
00:31:54,764 --> 00:31:57,299
which I'm I'm you know, got them in

882
00:31:57,299 --> 00:31:59,880
contact with the right people at HK to

883
00:31:59,940 --> 00:32:00,839
to do that.

884
00:32:01,220 --> 00:32:03,539
But at their grand opening, we set up

885
00:32:03,539 --> 00:32:04,039
tables

886
00:32:04,634 --> 00:32:05,134
of

887
00:32:05,595 --> 00:32:06,654
nothing but

888
00:32:07,034 --> 00:32:10,174
VP nines, p thirties, m p 520 twos,

889
00:32:10,794 --> 00:32:12,554
had an s p 5 out there, for

890
00:32:12,554 --> 00:32:14,289
people to pick up and just get their

891
00:32:14,289 --> 00:32:15,029
hands on.

892
00:32:15,730 --> 00:32:17,829
And that's that's literally what I do.

893
00:32:18,529 --> 00:32:21,855
And the joy of of talking to people,

894
00:32:21,855 --> 00:32:24,434
you know, current owners of H&K products,

895
00:32:26,015 --> 00:32:28,275
talking to people that are interested in them,

896
00:32:28,589 --> 00:32:30,930
and just watching their joy of,

897
00:32:31,309 --> 00:32:33,329
you know, how it feels, how it shoots,

898
00:32:34,670 --> 00:32:36,289
current owners talking about

899
00:32:36,705 --> 00:32:38,785
how much they love it. I just I

900
00:32:38,785 --> 00:32:39,525
love that.

901
00:32:40,225 --> 00:32:42,065
And it it's just a connection that I

902
00:32:42,144 --> 00:32:44,725
I've I can make with with perfect strangers

903
00:32:47,369 --> 00:32:49,710
without honestly talking about myself

904
00:32:50,330 --> 00:32:50,830
because

905
00:32:51,289 --> 00:32:52,830
I hate talking about myself.

906
00:32:55,085 --> 00:32:57,085
Yeah. I know I know the feeling there.

907
00:32:57,085 --> 00:32:58,285
And I'll steal,

908
00:32:58,924 --> 00:33:00,845
something from, Kevin Dixie when I was at

909
00:33:00,845 --> 00:33:02,849
the Train and Learn event. When you become

910
00:33:02,849 --> 00:33:04,630
a brand ambassador or you,

911
00:33:06,049 --> 00:33:08,210
do you take products to test out and

912
00:33:08,210 --> 00:33:10,210
do things, you really got to make sure

913
00:33:10,210 --> 00:33:13,365
it's a win win proposition because there's somebody's

914
00:33:13,365 --> 00:33:16,085
job at that company is tied to how

915
00:33:16,085 --> 00:33:16,984
well you perform.

916
00:33:17,444 --> 00:33:18,964
And yet they can go along and get

917
00:33:18,964 --> 00:33:20,580
rid of you. You know, it's not a

918
00:33:20,580 --> 00:33:22,339
lifetime commitment, but at the same time if

919
00:33:22,339 --> 00:33:24,119
that person's not making good decisions,

920
00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:25,619
how long do you think they're gonna be

921
00:33:25,619 --> 00:33:27,634
around? So you've really gotta make sure you're

922
00:33:28,115 --> 00:33:29,815
you're pouring things in a win win,

923
00:33:30,275 --> 00:33:30,775
situation.

924
00:33:31,315 --> 00:33:32,615
And, you know, when you approach

925
00:33:33,154 --> 00:33:35,315
companies to do things that you, you know,

926
00:33:35,315 --> 00:33:37,140
not only say, hey, this is this is

927
00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:39,380
who I am, but also, you know, describe

928
00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:42,019
and demonstrate to them, you know, what, you

929
00:33:42,019 --> 00:33:43,619
know, what you can do to help them

930
00:33:43,619 --> 00:33:45,720
get, you know, into a different market. Obviously,

931
00:33:45,779 --> 00:33:48,454
what you've done, Brandon, it's, you know, get

932
00:33:48,615 --> 00:33:50,554
gotten them into different markets,

933
00:33:50,855 --> 00:33:53,255
and that's, I'm sure, was one of the

934
00:33:53,255 --> 00:33:55,914
main driving force besides Neil's recommendation

935
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,599
that, that that helps put icing on the

936
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:01,099
cake.

937
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,319
Yeah. And I and I think it it

938
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:03,819
is,

939
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:06,615
it it doesn't it doesn't hurt to have

940
00:34:06,615 --> 00:34:08,914
a connection. You know, so many people,

941
00:34:09,454 --> 00:34:10,675
they approach these companies,

942
00:34:12,094 --> 00:34:12,594
and

943
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:15,449
they don't know who they're who they're addressing.

944
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:18,090
You know, they're they're they're scraping at grabbing

945
00:34:18,150 --> 00:34:18,650
something.

946
00:34:20,594 --> 00:34:23,255
You know, years ago, quick story, I used

947
00:34:23,954 --> 00:34:25,335
to be in the DJ industry,

948
00:34:26,434 --> 00:34:28,559
and I got to know some people from,

949
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,780
Pioneer DJ, which, I mean, is the leading

950
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:32,739
still today,

951
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,300
product in the DJ industry.

952
00:34:36,744 --> 00:34:38,284
And they had started a

953
00:34:38,824 --> 00:34:39,324
regional,

954
00:34:39,944 --> 00:34:42,344
demonstrator program. So they they were trying to

955
00:34:42,344 --> 00:34:44,364
do the same thing as a brand ambassador,

956
00:34:45,619 --> 00:34:47,799
or what we would see as a influencer

957
00:34:47,940 --> 00:34:48,440
today,

958
00:34:50,099 --> 00:34:51,319
and it it ultimately

959
00:34:51,780 --> 00:34:53,079
fell on its face

960
00:34:53,894 --> 00:34:54,394
because

961
00:34:55,175 --> 00:34:55,494
the

962
00:34:56,135 --> 00:34:57,655
you know, there were there were a couple

963
00:34:57,655 --> 00:34:58,155
people,

964
00:34:59,015 --> 00:34:59,515
that,

965
00:35:00,135 --> 00:35:01,894
you know, stuck around. In fact, one of

966
00:35:01,894 --> 00:35:03,750
the guys I I demoed with

967
00:35:04,210 --> 00:35:05,909
now we're talking 2,002,

968
00:35:06,210 --> 00:35:07,750
2003 that this happened.

969
00:35:08,369 --> 00:35:09,969
One of the guys I demoed with is

970
00:35:09,969 --> 00:35:12,184
still there, and he's a full time employee

971
00:35:12,184 --> 00:35:13,085
at Pioneer now.

972
00:35:14,025 --> 00:35:14,525
But,

973
00:35:15,704 --> 00:35:16,744
you know, it was

974
00:35:17,864 --> 00:35:20,579
they just didn't they didn't treat the guys

975
00:35:20,579 --> 00:35:21,079
right.

976
00:35:21,779 --> 00:35:23,159
They didn't set up,

977
00:35:23,940 --> 00:35:25,159
events properly.

978
00:35:26,824 --> 00:35:27,885
And I was,

979
00:35:28,425 --> 00:35:30,585
very close with Sam Ash Music Stores. I

980
00:35:30,744 --> 00:35:32,045
in fact, I knew the

981
00:35:32,425 --> 00:35:32,744
the,

982
00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:36,969
the Ash family, the top Ash family, and

983
00:35:36,969 --> 00:35:38,650
they wanted me to do a demo in

984
00:35:38,650 --> 00:35:39,789
their Columbus store.

985
00:35:40,570 --> 00:35:41,949
I told Pioneer that,

986
00:35:43,594 --> 00:35:45,594
they wanted me to do that, and they

987
00:35:45,594 --> 00:35:47,355
said, well, they gotta wait for us. And

988
00:35:47,355 --> 00:35:48,875
I said, well, these guys are not gonna

989
00:35:48,875 --> 00:35:49,694
wait for you.

990
00:35:50,315 --> 00:35:51,914
They're one of your big dealers. They're gonna

991
00:35:51,914 --> 00:35:53,135
bring me down there regardless.

992
00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:55,019
I'm I'm just telling you right now. It's

993
00:35:55,019 --> 00:35:55,679
gonna happen.

994
00:35:56,539 --> 00:35:58,539
And it did, and that was pretty much

995
00:35:58,539 --> 00:36:00,380
the end of that that game. I mean,

996
00:36:00,380 --> 00:36:02,460
they killed the dim the the program right

997
00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:03,199
after that,

998
00:36:03,695 --> 00:36:05,454
which is unfortunate because it could have been

999
00:36:05,454 --> 00:36:06,195
very successful.

1000
00:36:06,894 --> 00:36:07,635
And I think

1001
00:36:08,015 --> 00:36:08,675
I think,

1002
00:36:09,614 --> 00:36:11,934
that's the genius of Bill Dermody,

1003
00:36:12,849 --> 00:36:13,670
in his marketing,

1004
00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:17,429
is putting products in people's hands

1005
00:36:18,289 --> 00:36:19,030
rather than

1006
00:36:19,489 --> 00:36:19,989
spending,

1007
00:36:20,289 --> 00:36:21,989
you know, 1,000,000 of dollars

1008
00:36:22,515 --> 00:36:23,335
in advertising.

1009
00:36:24,515 --> 00:36:25,015
Mhmm.

1010
00:36:25,875 --> 00:36:27,414
Yep. There's definitely

1011
00:36:28,914 --> 00:36:31,460
definitely, you know, more more impactful

1012
00:36:31,780 --> 00:36:33,860
or it's definitely impactful going along and having

1013
00:36:33,860 --> 00:36:34,679
the brand ambassadors.

1014
00:36:35,139 --> 00:36:37,219
Mhmm. And it's even more important to make

1015
00:36:37,219 --> 00:36:39,000
sure you got the right brand ambassadors.

1016
00:36:39,539 --> 00:36:41,684
Right. Yeah. And and, I mean, a lot

1017
00:36:41,684 --> 00:36:42,744
of people don't realize

1018
00:36:43,045 --> 00:36:44,664
there's only a handful of us.

1019
00:36:45,525 --> 00:36:47,704
The newest one is Riley Bowman.

1020
00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:50,920
Mhmm. And they actually sponsored Riley,

1021
00:36:51,460 --> 00:36:53,239
for his his competitive shooting,

1022
00:36:54,260 --> 00:36:56,440
which there's even less sponsored shooters,

1023
00:36:58,054 --> 00:36:59,094
you know, than,

1024
00:36:59,894 --> 00:37:01,734
you know, than what maybe Glock or Smith

1025
00:37:01,734 --> 00:37:02,715
and Wesson does.

1026
00:37:03,335 --> 00:37:03,574
So

1027
00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:05,760
you know? And

1028
00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:07,039
and Riley

1029
00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:09,420
Riley could have picked where he you know,

1030
00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:10,400
pretty much anybody,

1031
00:37:10,780 --> 00:37:13,264
and and that's where he went. So Well,

1032
00:37:13,264 --> 00:37:15,425
if you know Riley, he started out with,

1033
00:37:15,744 --> 00:37:16,565
Glock 19

1034
00:37:17,184 --> 00:37:19,364
then switched over to the SIG 365.

1035
00:37:20,769 --> 00:37:22,550
Had a good run with the SIG 365,

1036
00:37:22,690 --> 00:37:24,530
and now he's with h and k. So

1037
00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:26,130
it gives you, you know, kind of an

1038
00:37:26,130 --> 00:37:26,630
idea

1039
00:37:27,089 --> 00:37:29,190
that, you know, it's not a lifelong commitment,

1040
00:37:29,250 --> 00:37:30,835
but each one of them you gotta, you

1041
00:37:30,835 --> 00:37:33,015
know, ask, you know, is this the

1042
00:37:33,394 --> 00:37:35,735
right thing for me? And, you know,

1043
00:37:36,114 --> 00:37:38,675
and and make decisions from there. So Yep.

1044
00:37:38,755 --> 00:37:39,255
That's

1045
00:37:40,489 --> 00:37:41,309
really really

1046
00:37:41,769 --> 00:37:44,890
good, Brandon. Really appreciate that. Yeah. And great

1047
00:37:44,890 --> 00:37:46,730
great information for all this, and I hope

1048
00:37:46,730 --> 00:37:49,015
the instructors out there can take a little

1049
00:37:49,015 --> 00:37:51,835
bit of information both from, 4 signs and

1050
00:37:52,695 --> 00:37:53,755
getting some contract

1051
00:37:54,135 --> 00:37:56,055
work to do and even becoming a brand

1052
00:37:56,055 --> 00:37:57,655
ambassador and maybe apply that to a few

1053
00:37:57,655 --> 00:37:59,050
things. So very,

1054
00:37:59,429 --> 00:38:01,289
very, very interesting background there.

1055
00:38:01,829 --> 00:38:03,349
We got a question we got a question

1056
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:04,869
for you that we've been asking all our

1057
00:38:04,869 --> 00:38:06,869
guests. What do you do for your mental

1058
00:38:06,869 --> 00:38:07,849
health every day?

1059
00:38:09,324 --> 00:38:11,085
You know, people ask me all the time,

1060
00:38:11,085 --> 00:38:12,304
you know, what's your hobby?

1061
00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:16,304
Rob, I am I am very blessed

1062
00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:18,360
to have

1063
00:38:19,059 --> 00:38:21,000
turned my my hobby,

1064
00:38:22,260 --> 00:38:24,119
into what I do daily.

1065
00:38:27,105 --> 00:38:28,784
And, you know, we we have a a

1066
00:38:28,784 --> 00:38:31,585
small karate school that we have classes 5

1067
00:38:31,585 --> 00:38:32,485
days a week.

1068
00:38:34,309 --> 00:38:35,049
And, honestly,

1069
00:38:36,309 --> 00:38:39,049
regardless of of what my stress level is,

1070
00:38:39,989 --> 00:38:40,489
outside

1071
00:38:40,869 --> 00:38:42,569
and off off the mats,

1072
00:38:45,015 --> 00:38:46,635
it it's gotta be pretty bad

1073
00:38:47,655 --> 00:38:50,155
not to bring me into a better mood

1074
00:38:50,454 --> 00:38:52,534
to step on that floor and and work

1075
00:38:52,534 --> 00:38:53,355
with my students.

1076
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:56,329
And that really does help

1077
00:38:56,789 --> 00:38:57,769
help my sanity,

1078
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:59,690
significantly.

1079
00:39:00,869 --> 00:39:02,089
We run 2 businesses.

1080
00:39:02,805 --> 00:39:04,265
My wife works full time.

1081
00:39:04,565 --> 00:39:06,965
She's a school teacher in a urban school

1082
00:39:06,965 --> 00:39:07,465
district.

1083
00:39:09,125 --> 00:39:11,144
Our lives could be absolutely

1084
00:39:12,349 --> 00:39:12,849
pure

1085
00:39:13,150 --> 00:39:13,650
chaos.

1086
00:39:15,550 --> 00:39:16,690
But that's my release,

1087
00:39:18,430 --> 00:39:19,970
is just getting on the floor.

1088
00:39:20,594 --> 00:39:22,695
Mhmm. You know? And even after

1089
00:39:23,315 --> 00:39:24,855
even after 40 years,

1090
00:39:25,715 --> 00:39:27,394
you know, I don't move the same as

1091
00:39:27,394 --> 00:39:29,175
I did 25 years ago.

1092
00:39:30,820 --> 00:39:33,860
I, you know, I my body aches just

1093
00:39:33,860 --> 00:39:34,900
like every bodies,

1094
00:39:36,660 --> 00:39:37,160
but

1095
00:39:37,885 --> 00:39:38,944
I still love it.

1096
00:39:39,405 --> 00:39:41,324
Yep. Well, they said if you can, you

1097
00:39:41,324 --> 00:39:41,824
know,

1098
00:39:42,364 --> 00:39:44,364
find a job you'll you'll like, you'll never

1099
00:39:44,364 --> 00:39:46,469
work a day in your life, and sounds

1100
00:39:46,469 --> 00:39:50,070
like, that's your kinda secret to that overall

1101
00:39:50,070 --> 00:39:50,809
with having

1102
00:39:51,110 --> 00:39:52,809
turning a hobby into a

1103
00:39:53,110 --> 00:39:55,269
lifelong career and then even from your career,

1104
00:39:55,269 --> 00:39:57,494
being able to go along and pivot and

1105
00:39:57,494 --> 00:39:58,555
bring in additional,

1106
00:39:59,974 --> 00:40:01,755
additional items from there. So that's

1107
00:40:02,215 --> 00:40:04,690
a good combination of things. Yeah. It it's

1108
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a it's a true passion.

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Mhmm. Yeah. Well, hey, Brandon. Where can people

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find out more information about you and, what's

1111
00:40:12,045 --> 00:40:13,804
your what class you're teaching, things like that

1112
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if they wanna come and, look you up?

1113
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Yeah. Absolutely.

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So if you Google precision defensive solutions,

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00:40:21,070 --> 00:40:23,329
in Twinsburg, Ohio, we we come up,

1116
00:40:24,269 --> 00:40:26,349
I'm in the process of trying to change

1117
00:40:26,349 --> 00:40:27,890
over the the website address.

1118
00:40:29,074 --> 00:40:30,855
But currently, it's ncpda.us.

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00:40:35,315 --> 00:40:37,875
And but if you if you Google precision

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00:40:37,875 --> 00:40:40,660
defensive Solutions, you'll find that. You'll find our

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00:40:40,660 --> 00:40:42,820
our YouTube channel. We're trying to grow the

1122
00:40:42,820 --> 00:40:44,200
YouTube channel a little bit.

1123
00:40:45,804 --> 00:40:47,744
Finally getting close to 600 subscribers.

1124
00:40:48,925 --> 00:40:49,425
Yay.

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00:40:49,804 --> 00:40:50,304
Yay.

1126
00:40:51,164 --> 00:40:52,764
You know, maybe when I get a thousand,

1127
00:40:52,764 --> 00:40:54,364
maybe I'll I'll go out and buy dinner

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00:40:54,364 --> 00:40:55,659
or something. You know?

1129
00:40:56,839 --> 00:40:58,619
But, do a little bit on Facebook.

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00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:01,480
But most of most of our classes are

1131
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,299
very small.

1132
00:41:03,184 --> 00:41:04,885
I tend to like small groups,

1133
00:41:06,144 --> 00:41:07,764
and and I really enjoy,

1134
00:41:08,625 --> 00:41:09,525
private coaching.

1135
00:41:10,349 --> 00:41:10,849
So,

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00:41:11,869 --> 00:41:13,949
you know, if somebody wants to to to

1137
00:41:13,949 --> 00:41:16,369
take that approach, that's great. I mean

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00:41:18,724 --> 00:41:19,224
Mhmm.

1139
00:41:19,525 --> 00:41:20,905
Well, that's, yeah, that's

1140
00:41:21,444 --> 00:41:23,125
good information. And if,

1141
00:41:23,605 --> 00:41:24,824
you're looking for

1142
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,180
that kind of stuff or in the Twinsburg

1143
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,940
area, look at Brandon

1144
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,400
and see what you can see what you

1145
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,340
can work out. Yeah. Absolutely.

1146
00:41:34,164 --> 00:41:34,985
Love everybody.

1147
00:41:35,525 --> 00:41:37,864
Yeah. I definitely appreciate you taking time tonight.

1148
00:41:38,005 --> 00:41:40,164
Like I said, Bill Lewinsky was, you know,

1149
00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:42,320
very entertaining when he was on season 1.

1150
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,160
I hadn't really followed back up with anybody,

1151
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,699
and your description

1152
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,039
of the instructor and the analyst classes, things

1153
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:50,260
like that make me

1154
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:51,699
I gotta I gotta

1155
00:41:52,105 --> 00:41:54,425
figure something out with, my schedule, see if

1156
00:41:54,425 --> 00:41:56,744
I can make it, to to 1 or

1157
00:41:56,744 --> 00:41:58,585
2 of those classes because it sounds like

1158
00:41:58,585 --> 00:42:01,389
it would really benefit me long term. Yeah.

1159
00:42:01,389 --> 00:42:03,389
Like, I I will tell you, Rob. If

1160
00:42:03,389 --> 00:42:05,549
you wanna do analyst, they do they do

1161
00:42:05,549 --> 00:42:06,210
that online,

1162
00:42:07,710 --> 00:42:10,130
and it is a ton of information.

1163
00:42:11,135 --> 00:42:12,195
And at least online,

1164
00:42:12,494 --> 00:42:13,715
you can go back and

1165
00:42:14,335 --> 00:42:15,875
get that information more.

1166
00:42:16,335 --> 00:42:16,655
So

1167
00:42:18,260 --> 00:42:20,420
but Well that's that's what I wanted. Look

1168
00:42:20,420 --> 00:42:22,179
at instead instead of looking to free up

1169
00:42:22,179 --> 00:42:23,859
time, maybe I just need to find the

1170
00:42:23,859 --> 00:42:26,635
online course. Yeah. I I keep they they

1171
00:42:26,635 --> 00:42:28,394
want me to do the advanced analyst, and

1172
00:42:28,394 --> 00:42:29,375
I wanna do it.

1173
00:42:29,835 --> 00:42:31,295
But, again, time, money,

1174
00:42:32,394 --> 00:42:34,175
and it's one of those those things.

1175
00:42:35,019 --> 00:42:36,940
But, yeah, if anybody that's out there that

1176
00:42:36,940 --> 00:42:39,099
that wants to benefit from for science, definitely

1177
00:42:39,099 --> 00:42:39,760
the analyst.

1178
00:42:40,539 --> 00:42:42,780
I understand their newest one, their methods of

1179
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:44,984
instruction, is out standing,

1180
00:42:46,565 --> 00:42:48,164
which I'm hoping they'll do that one online

1181
00:42:48,164 --> 00:42:48,664
too.

1182
00:42:49,284 --> 00:42:51,670
Just because my schedule is so crazy that

1183
00:42:51,909 --> 00:42:53,909
that would be very beneficial for me too.

1184
00:42:53,909 --> 00:42:55,829
But so if somebody's looking to really get

1185
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:58,489
some instruction improvement from 4 science,

1186
00:42:58,789 --> 00:43:00,695
I think methods of instruction would be a

1187
00:43:00,695 --> 00:43:01,835
good place to start.

1188
00:43:02,535 --> 00:43:03,434
Mhmm. Good.

1189
00:43:03,974 --> 00:43:04,954
Well, Brandon,

1190
00:43:05,255 --> 00:43:06,775
have a good evening. Thank you for your

1191
00:43:06,775 --> 00:43:09,179
time again, and, I'm sure we'll be seeing

1192
00:43:09,179 --> 00:43:10,000
you around someplace.

1193
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:12,000
Alright. Thanks, Rob. I appreciate it.

1194
00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:14,139
Bye. Right. Well, that's a wrap for the

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00:43:14,139 --> 00:43:16,400
episode. I hope you found the conversation, Brandon,

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informative both as far as how to take

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00:43:18,664 --> 00:43:20,984
your instructing to a new level and also

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00:43:20,984 --> 00:43:24,025
maybe how to approach manufacturers about becoming a

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brand ambassador so that it's a win for

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you and win for them. It's a two

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way street when you're a brand ambassador.

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