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Today, we're joined with Debt Firms founder of

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Women Outdoor Media Association. Welcome to the podcast,

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Devin, thank you for taking time to,

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talk to our listeners out there. Well, thank

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you, Rob. We really appreciate the opportunity to

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tell people more about what we're doing for

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women,

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women's outdoor Media Association. It's

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all about shooting sports hunting, fishing and tree

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and we like talking about it. Well, that's

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great. Can you give our listeners a little

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bit about your background but that you're doing

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and which kinda let up to here because

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I think you got some fantastic history to

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really that we might dive into on another

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podcast, but we won't get into everything on

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this 1. Well, I will tell you that

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it's... I I... I'm from a different kind

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of walk,

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than a lot of people that are in

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the firearms industry. So when I was 45

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years old, on I'm my 40 fifth birthday,

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because we lived at a ranch in a

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very rural part of, southern

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Arizona. So we're only 48 miles from the

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border,

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my husband wanted to get me a handgun.

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So for the first time at 45 years

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of age, on my birthday, I shot a

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handgun.

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Then at age 50, I was getting going.

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Wanted to know more about handgun.

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I went to a camp,

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and Downing Creek,

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Louisiana that a dirk report that belonged to

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decay Mit look. And k was at that

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time already,

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a 10 or 12 time

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world champion in handgun gone, a world champion

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in 3 gun, and, there I was a

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complete novice Robin. And I mean

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novice with the capital n.

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And when I got done,

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meeting k Mitch,

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through another mutual friend named Lisa Mu, 12

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time National,

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4 time World hand gunner.

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I said to them. I cried when I

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left their place in April of o 4.

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Now we're dating ourselves. Right? April of 4.

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I'm crying, Rob, because I walked up to

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the 2 women k mixed slick and Lisa

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mu and I said,

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there's so many of me.

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There are so many women like me in

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middle ages,

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but women that

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don't know that much about firearms, but I

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wanna learn.

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the both the women turned to me and

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said if you build the camps,

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we will teach the camps.

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Now here's the amazing part.

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We didn't end doing babe with bullets camps

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until December of 20 23, and we had

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just over 8000

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women.

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3 day emerging camps where we shoot 600

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rounds and 3 days.

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And I will tell you, Rob, it was

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you know, it was a blessing. It was

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an absolute blessing. Not only did I become

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a better shooter.

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I became a better human being

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understanding what

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Mh. Yeah. It's it's really a privilege when

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people open up and tell you about, you

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know, what's their motivation is And that's 1

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of the satisfaction I get out of,

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teaching also.

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And if anybody...

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I can only imagine. It was

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You know, I I live in... I live

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by an Irma bomb kind of

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para

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quote that says, when I stand before God

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at the end of my life, I wanna

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look at him and say I used every

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talent you gave me. Well, my corporate

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life Rob, in my corporate world,

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I'd already by that time, been a meme

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planner, AAA corporate meeting planner for caterpillar or

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Motorola,

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for decades by then. And when they... The

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girl said, you organize

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meetings,

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you organize these girls coming,

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I don't how to do that. Mh.

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Yeah. Good combination there. Just the stars align

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just right to have you there at that

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camp and then have you be the 1

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to self self

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organizing those baby and bullets programs. So that's

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great. That's really great. Well, the day we're

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talking about talking to the media, and you've

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got a lot of experience doing that. Mh.

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So we wanna dive in on that a

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little bit because I think

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work... You know, this is 20 24,

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already this year. I've got 1 media request,

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myself. And there's probably a lot of listeners

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out there that are getting media requests to

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speak on various different topics. And I think

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this is very

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very timely for the instructors kinda learn from

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a veteran who can give us some tips

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and tips and tricks on how to go

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along and

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talk to the media, the way they need

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to hear things get our point across because

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the way we talk sometimes doesn't always resonate

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for me an a media standpoint. So first

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question you,

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how do you go along respond to media

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requests?

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because we've had so much media with babe

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that bullets it was so different. Remember, when

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we started in note 4,

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there was not another women's program out there

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besides the nra women on target, which was

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like a half day program. Right? So all

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the other women's program started

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a decade

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after we had started. So the media came

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after us hot and heavy, and they... Even

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to this day in sometimes,

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they do. Come... You know, and what do

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you think of this? What do you think

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of that? And and here's

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what I could share with other

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people that could... I've been call it getting

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put on the hotspot, Rob as an instructor.

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I've been interviewed by 60 minutes

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Cnn.

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I mean, not just local Abc, and local,

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you know, Fox News. I'm talking National.

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And they come out and they think you're

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gonna be very bluntly bump.

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And what I do instead is I they

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come out, and they tell me what we

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wanna know about babe with bullets. And I

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said, what what specific storyline are you looking

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for? I always narrow in when they're asking

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for the interview,

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what they're looking for?

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I always narrow it in because I don't

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want them to change the playing field when

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they get there.

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Mh. If they wanna change playing field, I

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bring it right back

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to what they said they were gonna talk

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about. I don't like to sabotage thing. So

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number 1, They have to let me know

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in advance what they wanna discuss and they

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have to give it to me in writing,

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and they have to, you know, send it

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to me actually by an email. Right?

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when I'm looking at this, when the camera

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guy is rolling,

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trust me the journalist will try.

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To get you to say something

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inc.

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And people get nervous and they knee jerk

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their way through the answer.

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Raw raw big mistake. I... I'll share this

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as, as somebody who's done at a ton.

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What you wanna do

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is have something in your pocket. Here's a

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hit, Rob. Have a piece of gum or

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a cough drop anything in your pocket.

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Look down

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and you look at them so they know

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that you've heard the question.

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Okay? You'd start to un

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your

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piece of gum, your your cough up, whatever

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you're un ramping in your package. And then

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you look at them because you're giving yourself

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15 to eighteenth to 20 seconds not to

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knee jerk.

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Okay? Because if you need jerk

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you give them fatter to edit.

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So I think about it, I get my

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shoulders down,

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body English is everything especially when you're on

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Tv,

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Right? I get my shoulders down, and I

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smile at them, and I say to them.

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I'm not seeing you're wrong.

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Asked me that question again.

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Mh. And they asked the question again.

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And sometimes they give a different influence on

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it. And then I answer them

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with an answer

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that they cannot not re edit. And I

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can't stress this enough.

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People almost get

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Groups term diary of the mouth. They get...

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You know, I'm gonna answer him now. I'm

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gonna answer him them now. Right? I'm on

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the spot.

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You don't ever let them put you on

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the spot,

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you have to know that when you give

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them back is a

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sound bite, you are sure of Rob,

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you are sure of that sound bite. You

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are guessing you're sure of it.

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And

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you know, if you're sure of that sound

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byte, they're gonna ask you the same inc

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question 5678

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times,

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And what you've gotta do is never give

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them a different answer that they can read

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it. Mh.

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Because what they'll do is take 2 different

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answers you gave them, and they'll edit it

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and twist it.

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Say

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always the same sound byte,

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always

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short,

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to the point

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said without,

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you know, without hesitation and,

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always at the end.

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I always say, I can't thank you enough

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for having come here to get the right

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answer. Always

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make sure

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for you to come... To talk to me

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about the right answer of why we train

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women. Okay? Mh. And, then I also say,

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in the part of the agreement,

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for you Coming out meet me at the

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gun range is that you were willing

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to let me give you a little less

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in handgun 01:01

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and you were willing to shoot a target

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with me. That was the agreement. Right? And

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you get them caught on air.

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So what a journalist that's never shot a

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gun before.

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Never meet them somewhere where you can't take

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them into that private lane. Yeah, to good

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club, you know, or

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you know, outdoor, we usually taught our camp

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doors. Like, outdoor gun ranges. Right. And

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I take them to a private bay. I

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start them out with a 22. I give

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them a target. I don't give that humanoid

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target. I give them what's called the Target.

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Right?

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Right. And I make sure that they have

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had an empowering

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15 minute lesson before they leave Rob.

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They've shot that target

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I signed it. I did it. I give

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them that target to take back to the

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office with them.

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That's a good good way of doing Things.

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Well,

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it's been effective for 19 years. Mh.

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Yeah. I mean, we got we got the

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front cover

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of years ago of the Chicago

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tribune

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in the human of the human interest Sunday

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newspaper.

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Facebook bullets. A great adventure for women.

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The Chicago

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tribune when we were doing the camp,

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in

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in Oak Brook. We also did a camp

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Fyi at Harvard in Boston.

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Wow.

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Mh. Yeah. There's a very there's a very

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good points because I've known

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I've known people to speak on camera about

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different things that when they see it come

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out in the news, it's... And this isn't

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necessarily on gun topics, but it's as a

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completely different angle to it. And that's all

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through the, editing of it and your advice

352
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when it comes to answering questions is very

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good.

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Very go. I'll, Have to try that. I

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done it a I've done it a long

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time, and I do a lot of keynote

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speaking

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about

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you know, how to move around outside your

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comfort zone, and it does relate a lot

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to second amendment. You know saying it when

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I wrote my book base with bullets,

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years and years and years ago, Sandy Fro,

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then president of the Nra wrote the forward

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from my book.

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And,

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Sandy,

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had some very,

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common sense things.

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You know, deep breathe, you know, don't pant,

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but really take a breath,

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hold it for account, let the breath go

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fiddle with your your your your, piece of

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gum or fiddle with taking your magazine,

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you know, off your belt and laying on

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the table, always give yourself the advantage of

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thinking about it first.

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And knowing that whatever sound byte you are

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giving them is the 1 you have to

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stick to Rob, too often people change their

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sound bites.

382
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Right? And Yep doctor gotcha.

383
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Mh.

384
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Definitely.

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Let me Ask you ask you this when

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it comes to of the media. How do

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you... If you're a instructor, and you wanna

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go along and

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approach the media to go along and give

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them a interesting story or have them do

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a

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story on the training you're doing such. How

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would you approach the media so you make

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it

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appealing to them wanna come out and like,

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interview, take pictures of the event you're doing

397
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something along those lines. It could never be

398
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about me, and I I... You know, I

399
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I picked P stuff

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nonstop for the women's outdoor media, of course,

401
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but, a lot of it back then was

402
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babe with bullets. I do a lot of

403
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stuff within Ss nsf.

404
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And

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I will tell you that the 1 thing

406
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I do is when I talk to the

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media,

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I don't make it about me, what I

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do is I say to them,

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I have a girl that's gonna be at

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our camp, or in this case, I have

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a woman who's gonna be at our... She

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never quit event with women's media,

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that's a great human interest story.

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She was shot in the line of duty,

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not once, but 3 times.

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She was shot.

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And,

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you know, say goodness disposable witness vest, 1

420
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of them did go in her leg, but

421
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not the fe Artery. Okay?

422
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And

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she's taking our training

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to get back on the active duty. She's

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a great human interest story

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about a cop that already

427
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was in a really bad

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situation.

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She won in that situation. You won in

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that situation because of her firearms training that

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we gave her.

432
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Alright?

433
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Remember. They would get a hundred and 50

434
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bullets

435
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then we get a hundred and 50 shots

436
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when they're in a lot of these sheriff

437
00:16:05,014 --> 00:16:08,055
Deputy aca. Right. They don't get the trainee

438
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border patrol gets or Fbi gets. So I

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go to them, and I said, would you

440
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like to interview them?

441
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And they go, oh,

442
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absolutely.

443
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They're never looking for me to self promote.

444
00:16:22,395 --> 00:16:24,879
They're always looking for me to promote

445
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who was a human interest story that I

446
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can bring to them? Like, we had a

447
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gal that was in a wheelchair. Come to

448
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jam.

449
00:16:34,022 --> 00:16:36,753
Right? And she had already been burglar.

450
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I think 2 or 3 times.

451
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And she said, I'm tired of this. The

452
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cops don't show up for, you know, for

453
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45 minutes to 50 minutes.

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I gotta learn how to protect myself.

455
00:16:49,794 --> 00:16:52,667
And they love that story. And that was

456
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actually down in Florida. When you're doing a

457
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camp in Florida and they came they came

458
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to interviewer.

459
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So I think you really need

460
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to find a human interest story

461
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on

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something that would appeal

463
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not on a instructor starting a new camp.

464
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Or on an instructor

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adding 3 gun. Like pistol rifle shotgun to

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their itinerary. They're not gonna come. They're looking

467
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for that

468
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live story, and I'm very, very, very careful

469
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not to make the media story about junior

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under 18.

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Because that could turn on you in a

472
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dime.

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Yep. I'm very careful to make it about

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a unique adult story.

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And somebody that I can coach. That's the

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other thing I would tell anybody looking at

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media,

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somebody that I can coach

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before the journalist ever gets to him.

480
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That's why we're so good at this.

481
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Mh.

482
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That's

483
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good advice. Very good advice.

484
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For

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Me ask you this.

486
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You're making your points, taking time before you

487
00:18:03,210 --> 00:18:04,799
go along and speak and such.

488
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What's your suggestion when it comes to

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some of the

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second amendment kinda quotes people, you know, like

491
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to say from time to time, something,

492
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you know, you know, like, you know, for

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my cold dead hands, you know, something along

494
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those lines,

495
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that

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probably goes over very

497
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insensitive to say at least we got the

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media. It comes across it's very auto, you

499
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know,

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auto automatic. You know very

501
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very very unfortunately, very male dominating.

502
00:18:36,212 --> 00:18:38,775
Right? Mh. And so many of the journalists

503
00:18:38,910 --> 00:18:39,807
are or

504
00:18:40,180 --> 00:18:40,680
reporters

505
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our women, not all, but a

506
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a bunch of them. Right?

507
00:18:45,916 --> 00:18:48,459
And if they're coming for a human interest

508
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story, I would say

509
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75 percent of the time the human story

510
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was done by a woman, not a man,

511
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and she doesn't relate to the cold dead

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hand.

513
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So I am I am typically very... Here's

514
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what I tell him all the time. I

515
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said,

516
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I'm not here to defend

517
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Charleston he... You know Charleston He. I'm not

518
00:19:10,216 --> 00:19:13,348
hearing to defend that. I'm here to defend

519
00:19:13,566 --> 00:19:16,459
that that woman that's that's sitting in that

520
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wheelchair.

521
00:19:17,569 --> 00:19:19,487
That wants to know how to protect herself

522
00:19:19,487 --> 00:19:21,405
in her home she's already been burglar arise.

523
00:19:21,724 --> 00:19:23,962
I think it was 3 times. 3 times

524
00:19:23,962 --> 00:19:25,000
over 5 years,

525
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I wanted defend her.

526
00:19:29,487 --> 00:19:32,201
You know? And I always make it about...

527
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And I, of course, my job was easy.

528
00:19:35,329 --> 00:19:37,424
My whole life was all about

529
00:19:38,838 --> 00:19:39,556
teaching women.

530
00:19:40,912 --> 00:19:42,667
You know and who wants to be against

531
00:19:42,667 --> 00:19:44,820
a woman learning how to defend her family.

532
00:19:45,234 --> 00:19:47,392
I mean, let's... We don't wanna talk about

533
00:19:47,392 --> 00:19:49,149
it, but we got a lot of divorce

534
00:19:49,149 --> 00:19:50,928
women, single moms

535
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in the United States of America.

536
00:19:53,239 --> 00:19:54,752
A lot of single moms. I'm not saying

537
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we don't have some single dads,

538
00:19:56,583 --> 00:19:58,415
but we have a lot of single moms.

539
00:19:58,813 --> 00:20:00,087
And I will tell you the other thing,

540
00:20:00,246 --> 00:20:01,622
we have a lot of moms

541
00:20:01,933 --> 00:20:04,320
whose husbands are deployed. They're bond,

542
00:20:04,956 --> 00:20:07,445
and they don't live in the greatest neighborhoods

543
00:20:07,899 --> 00:20:08,377
Fyi.

544
00:20:09,903 --> 00:20:11,813
So we always gave them a discount. We

545
00:20:11,813 --> 00:20:14,064
gave him a 50 percent discount

546
00:20:14,519 --> 00:20:15,894
to come to our camps

547
00:20:16,443 --> 00:20:17,660
and hive vi

548
00:20:18,831 --> 00:20:21,218
shooting systems, which is hive vi, you know,

549
00:20:21,377 --> 00:20:23,128
like we use them on the, the Hive

550
00:20:23,128 --> 00:20:26,257
biz, on the parking guns. Right? Yep. And

551
00:20:26,257 --> 00:20:29,054
my is paid the other 50 percent of

552
00:20:29,054 --> 00:20:29,294
their,

553
00:20:30,413 --> 00:20:30,892
of their,

554
00:20:32,011 --> 00:20:32,970
enrollment to our camps.

555
00:20:33,704 --> 00:20:36,820
Nice. Man. Very nice. Again, you know,

556
00:20:37,779 --> 00:20:40,256
second amendment is important to her, but why

557
00:20:40,256 --> 00:20:42,346
is it important to her? You know, she

558
00:20:42,346 --> 00:20:44,017
probably not a member of the nra. She

559
00:20:44,017 --> 00:20:46,347
probably doesn't know what the National Suited Sports

560
00:20:46,484 --> 00:20:46,984
foundation

561
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,473
means. Right?

562
00:20:49,284 --> 00:20:51,761
The only thing she cares about is can

563
00:20:51,761 --> 00:20:52,980
she safely

564
00:20:53,519 --> 00:20:53,919
learn,

565
00:20:54,798 --> 00:20:56,955
proficient learn how to use a firearm.

566
00:20:58,329 --> 00:20:59,448
And protect her family.

567
00:21:01,126 --> 00:21:02,745
And people get

568
00:21:03,204 --> 00:21:05,521
way off and here's a good quote. People

569
00:21:05,521 --> 00:21:06,640
get way off in the weeds.

570
00:21:07,772 --> 00:21:09,843
People get way off on the weeds and

571
00:21:09,843 --> 00:21:10,639
came mixed lick,

572
00:21:12,869 --> 00:21:14,860
very, very as, you know a lot of

573
00:21:14,860 --> 00:21:17,978
people have said the most decorated female shooter

574
00:21:17,978 --> 00:21:18,797
in the world

575
00:21:19,172 --> 00:21:21,740
and her daughter Lena is coming up now

576
00:21:21,797 --> 00:21:24,515
to surpass her mom. And I... I know

577
00:21:24,515 --> 00:21:26,502
whole family really well after 20 years.

578
00:21:27,138 --> 00:21:29,365
Okay? I mean, I spent Christmas with. I've

579
00:21:29,365 --> 00:21:30,795
spent New years with them, You know,

580
00:21:32,719 --> 00:21:35,348
And, like Said, when you're talking to a

581
00:21:35,348 --> 00:21:37,578
journalist or people are talking about second amendment,

582
00:21:38,535 --> 00:21:40,526
make sure you don't get so far off

583
00:21:40,526 --> 00:21:41,642
of the weeds with 2a,

584
00:21:42,535 --> 00:21:45,015
that you don't keep it to what's important

585
00:21:45,015 --> 00:21:46,855
to that woman when he had to shoot

586
00:21:46,855 --> 00:21:47,575
that firearm.

587
00:21:47,975 --> 00:21:48,375
Mh.

588
00:21:49,174 --> 00:21:49,255
Yep.

589
00:21:49,975 --> 00:21:51,748
Exactly. And that's where I think you know,

590
00:21:51,908 --> 00:21:52,647
some of those

591
00:21:53,740 --> 00:21:55,812
1 liners and such, you know, quotes that,

592
00:21:55,971 --> 00:21:57,804
you know, we hear people through round. If

593
00:21:57,804 --> 00:21:59,490
that's not your quote, you you know, in

594
00:21:59,490 --> 00:22:01,239
an interview, it comes off, it's being, you

595
00:22:01,239 --> 00:22:04,577
know, very mechanical and un feeling without empathy.

596
00:22:04,736 --> 00:22:06,269
And if you can turn

597
00:22:06,658 --> 00:22:09,834
what you're talking about into, you know, a

598
00:22:09,834 --> 00:22:12,295
a real life person, you know, somebody can

599
00:22:12,295 --> 00:22:14,279
point this is why we're doing it. It

600
00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:16,363
makes all the difference, to it. And that's...

601
00:22:16,682 --> 00:22:17,720
You know, that those are the kind of

602
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,157
stories that a lot of times media is

603
00:22:19,157 --> 00:22:20,913
looking at. And if you go to the

604
00:22:20,913 --> 00:22:22,590
1 liners, those are the ones are gonna

605
00:22:22,590 --> 00:22:24,186
use against you too, that, you know, they

606
00:22:24,186 --> 00:22:25,086
give us the same

607
00:22:25,398 --> 00:22:25,898
same

608
00:22:26,273 --> 00:22:28,021
line about... You know, I'd rather be, you

609
00:22:28,021 --> 00:22:30,883
know, care carried by or judged by 12

610
00:22:30,883 --> 00:22:32,712
and carried by 6, and people go wait

611
00:22:32,712 --> 00:22:34,243
a minute you know, that's the same thing

612
00:22:34,323 --> 00:22:36,240
These people say, and it's un feeling you're

613
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,918
not going along thinking about, you know, the

614
00:22:37,918 --> 00:22:40,075
other people. And, you know, because at the

615
00:22:40,075 --> 00:22:41,762
end of the day, you It's not about

616
00:22:41,762 --> 00:22:43,903
the second amendment or not about, you know,

617
00:22:44,062 --> 00:22:46,601
being judged. It's about that person, being able

618
00:22:46,601 --> 00:22:49,638
to go alone defend themselves successfully and persevere,

619
00:22:50,037 --> 00:22:52,109
you know, through a violent counter. That's the

620
00:22:52,109 --> 00:22:53,305
most important thing. That

621
00:22:54,182 --> 00:22:55,399
I think that people

622
00:22:57,220 --> 00:22:59,439
can easily lose sight in. You know, the

623
00:22:59,439 --> 00:23:01,183
other thing I like to keep it real.

624
00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:03,323
You got up a really good point, Rob,

625
00:23:04,053 --> 00:23:06,685
about... Will that saying could come across as

626
00:23:06,685 --> 00:23:08,222
on feeling or

627
00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:09,795
very authoritarian.

628
00:23:10,274 --> 00:23:12,129
I think it comes across as

629
00:23:12,507 --> 00:23:13,007
insecure

630
00:23:13,557 --> 00:23:15,700
as well. I mean to add to that

631
00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:17,923
to your your point. I think it can

632
00:23:17,923 --> 00:23:20,623
come across as sincere, and I think that's

633
00:23:20,623 --> 00:23:21,099
dangerous.

634
00:23:22,861 --> 00:23:23,338
Because,

635
00:23:24,133 --> 00:23:26,143
I am sincere about

636
00:23:26,914 --> 00:23:27,414
wanting

637
00:23:27,788 --> 00:23:29,934
women who are of the legal age and

638
00:23:29,934 --> 00:23:30,831
legal background

639
00:23:32,178 --> 00:23:35,850
I am sincere about wanting that woman. I

640
00:23:35,850 --> 00:23:37,148
wanted to be her choice

641
00:23:37,527 --> 00:23:39,203
that if she wants to defend herself or

642
00:23:39,203 --> 00:23:41,294
not. But here's what I tell them. I

643
00:23:41,294 --> 00:23:42,194
have so

644
00:23:42,573 --> 00:23:45,609
many women that whose husbands have passed away,

645
00:23:46,488 --> 00:23:49,285
because I live in Arizona. Right? And

646
00:23:50,099 --> 00:23:52,356
they say to me, my husband's got guns

647
00:23:52,414 --> 00:23:54,171
all over the house. I hear it all

648
00:23:54,171 --> 00:23:56,965
the time, and I go, okay? And I

649
00:23:56,965 --> 00:23:58,721
say do you know if the guns hot

650
00:23:58,721 --> 00:23:59,121
or not?

651
00:24:00,093 --> 00:24:02,162
Right? You would understand when I met, Rob.

652
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,992
Yeah. You what they said to me. I

653
00:24:03,992 --> 00:24:05,026
don't lay it in the sun.

654
00:24:07,731 --> 00:24:08,709
And I go

655
00:24:09,258 --> 00:24:12,202
oh okay. We... We're... I'm thinking myself, we

656
00:24:12,202 --> 00:24:13,577
have a failure to

657
00:24:13,952 --> 00:24:16,433
her. Right? And I said to him, no.

658
00:24:16,673 --> 00:24:18,667
I wanna know if your husband has a

659
00:24:18,667 --> 00:24:20,044
bullet in the chamber,

660
00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:22,176
you know, of the gun. She said, well,

661
00:24:22,336 --> 00:24:24,649
should I look down the the end with

662
00:24:24,649 --> 00:24:25,685
a flashlight. And I'm like,

663
00:24:26,499 --> 00:24:28,972
No. No. No. Don't don't do that. Right?

664
00:24:29,212 --> 00:24:31,228
So I mean, I think that

665
00:24:32,005 --> 00:24:33,920
my job, even in that case.

666
00:24:34,493 --> 00:24:37,671
Is to guide that woman on how she

667
00:24:37,671 --> 00:24:38,728
can safely

668
00:24:39,420 --> 00:24:41,804
wrap those guns typically towels because they don't

669
00:24:41,804 --> 00:24:42,916
know what a gun case is.

670
00:24:43,566 --> 00:24:44,517
Wrap them in towels.

671
00:24:45,151 --> 00:24:47,290
Put them in, I've had him actually bring

672
00:24:47,290 --> 00:24:48,716
him to be in a Macy's bag.

673
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:50,325
I've had him bring

674
00:24:50,634 --> 00:24:52,225
I mean, I've had a bring to me

675
00:24:52,225 --> 00:24:53,657
in a bloom dale bag.

676
00:24:54,373 --> 00:24:55,647
And this is the trunk of their car.

677
00:24:56,363 --> 00:24:58,113
They toot their horn when they get there,

678
00:24:58,193 --> 00:24:59,959
so I know it's them. They give you

679
00:24:59,959 --> 00:25:02,744
know, 2 longs, 1 short. I walk over

680
00:25:02,744 --> 00:25:03,301
to the car,

681
00:25:04,018 --> 00:25:05,689
and then I I take it to the

682
00:25:05,689 --> 00:25:08,395
safety table on a side thing, and we

683
00:25:08,395 --> 00:25:11,275
start to find out what she's got. My

684
00:25:11,275 --> 00:25:13,024
job is to make sure if she's good

685
00:25:13,024 --> 00:25:15,433
to keep any of those guns that she's

686
00:25:15,888 --> 00:25:16,524
proficient with them.

687
00:25:18,369 --> 00:25:20,930
And she's not scared of them. And if

688
00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:23,009
she's gonna not be proficient, and she's gonna

689
00:25:23,009 --> 00:25:24,210
be scared, You know what I tell her,

690
00:25:24,609 --> 00:25:25,009
sell them.

691
00:25:25,743 --> 00:25:25,982
Yeah.

692
00:25:27,413 --> 00:25:29,082
Sell. You know I've had a lot of

693
00:25:29,082 --> 00:25:30,990
instructors say to me, why would you ever

694
00:25:30,990 --> 00:25:33,057
tell her that? And I said because if

695
00:25:33,057 --> 00:25:34,647
she's never gonna learn how to shoot it.

696
00:25:35,377 --> 00:25:35,854
Correctly,

697
00:25:36,569 --> 00:25:38,556
and she's never gonna be able to use

698
00:25:38,556 --> 00:25:41,361
it for somebody coming in her front door

699
00:25:41,417 --> 00:25:42,553
between her and her kids

700
00:25:43,165 --> 00:25:43,665
that

701
00:25:44,849 --> 00:25:45,962
why would you want her to have a

702
00:25:45,962 --> 00:25:46,598
gun in the house?

703
00:25:47,155 --> 00:25:49,461
Yeah. It's more dangerous to her That What's

704
00:25:49,461 --> 00:25:51,289
what I think, Rob, but, you know, I

705
00:25:51,289 --> 00:25:53,062
look at it very pragmatic

706
00:25:54,963 --> 00:25:58,543
as it as a woman who never handled

707
00:25:58,543 --> 00:26:00,214
the gun never touched 1 till I was

708
00:26:00,214 --> 00:26:00,771
45.

709
00:26:01,423 --> 00:26:04,933
So I empathize with those women, far more,

710
00:26:05,492 --> 00:26:07,806
far more than some people would.

711
00:26:08,616 --> 00:26:10,364
You know? I mean, I didn't broke k

712
00:26:10,364 --> 00:26:12,508
group up on a gun range. Lena was

713
00:26:12,508 --> 00:26:13,008
born

714
00:26:13,382 --> 00:26:14,970
on a gun range. Okay?

715
00:26:16,974 --> 00:26:19,214
So for for me, when those women come

716
00:26:19,214 --> 00:26:21,454
to me, the first thing I have is

717
00:26:21,454 --> 00:26:21,615
empathy.

718
00:26:22,974 --> 00:26:26,342
Because they're scared. They're scared Rob, Mh. And

719
00:26:26,501 --> 00:26:28,488
I don't lost that over. I don't make

720
00:26:28,488 --> 00:26:30,395
fun of it. We deal with it and

721
00:26:30,395 --> 00:26:30,951
we move on.

722
00:26:32,144 --> 00:26:33,915
Yep. Definitely. And

723
00:26:34,384 --> 00:26:35,522
Whether it's a woman

724
00:26:36,138 --> 00:26:38,769
or man or, you know, somebody else, you've

725
00:26:38,769 --> 00:26:40,603
got Yep. You've got know how to handle

726
00:26:40,603 --> 00:26:44,525
it the gun properly because Yep. Unfortunately tasks

727
00:26:44,525 --> 00:26:47,075
and tap. And if we don't... If we

728
00:26:47,075 --> 00:26:49,306
as a gun community, don't acknowledge that, then

729
00:26:49,306 --> 00:26:51,790
we're just setting people failure. And, you know,

730
00:26:51,949 --> 00:26:54,017
we should be more responsible than that. I

731
00:26:54,017 --> 00:26:56,322
think Rob, you could give... You could have

732
00:26:56,322 --> 00:26:58,151
not... Put it in a in a in

733
00:26:58,151 --> 00:27:00,298
a box better than that. You couldn't.

734
00:27:01,269 --> 00:27:01,589
Mh.

735
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:04,390
May, I may ask you this question, Deb.

736
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:06,809
What what's your thoughts when it comes to

737
00:27:07,589 --> 00:27:08,390
political topics?

738
00:27:09,923 --> 00:27:12,160
When the media wants to talk about that.

739
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,956
Talk about things of those because those are

740
00:27:14,956 --> 00:27:15,776
get very

741
00:27:16,728 --> 00:27:17,228
sticky

742
00:27:17,845 --> 00:27:19,600
for it because normally, you got a candidate,

743
00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:21,515
programs guns, candidate that's

744
00:27:22,233 --> 00:27:24,159
less than pro gun. For it. But at

745
00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:25,986
the same time, those are the ones were

746
00:27:25,986 --> 00:27:27,098
there trying to...

747
00:27:28,608 --> 00:27:31,150
I would get get instructors or gun people,

748
00:27:31,309 --> 00:27:33,389
this show that, hey, you know, these people

749
00:27:33,389 --> 00:27:36,170
are in support of, you know, registration or

750
00:27:36,170 --> 00:27:38,394
going along in universal background checks those types

751
00:27:38,394 --> 00:27:40,663
of things. How do you go along and

752
00:27:40,722 --> 00:27:43,539
steer clear or go along and steer successfully

753
00:27:43,918 --> 00:27:46,155
around those types of things? I guess I

754
00:27:46,155 --> 00:27:48,165
just handle it differently. You know when they

755
00:27:48,165 --> 00:27:50,480
say we wanna talk about why you would

756
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,555
like this candidate instead of that candidate.

757
00:27:53,194 --> 00:27:55,362
I usually sum it up with 1 we're

758
00:27:55,362 --> 00:27:57,745
back to the sound bites again. Always the

759
00:27:57,745 --> 00:27:59,492
sound bite I, and I say to him,

760
00:28:00,286 --> 00:28:02,589
I'm confused about the question you're asking me.

761
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,640
And they'll repeat it again normally a little

762
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:06,680
different, and I'll say,

763
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,259
why would I ever

764
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,095
want to vote or promote somebody that's trying

765
00:28:13,095 --> 00:28:16,055
to take something away from me. What, why

766
00:28:16,055 --> 00:28:18,214
would I do that? Mh. And then I

767
00:28:18,214 --> 00:28:19,414
give them the question back.

768
00:28:20,229 --> 00:28:20,867
And I go,

769
00:28:22,384 --> 00:28:24,459
and and they go, well no. And I

770
00:28:24,459 --> 00:28:25,497
said to him, You know, when and I

771
00:28:25,497 --> 00:28:27,013
come back and I said, let me give

772
00:28:27,013 --> 00:28:28,290
you a different scenario.

773
00:28:28,783 --> 00:28:31,105
And I always make sure it's a scenario

774
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:33,536
that would offend them.

775
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:35,700
So

776
00:28:36,009 --> 00:28:38,570
They've decided, and I just give them so

777
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:42,590
for instance, they... This newer regime has decided

778
00:28:42,970 --> 00:28:45,940
that no card because of climate control no

779
00:28:45,940 --> 00:28:47,154
cars can be driven

780
00:28:47,686 --> 00:28:49,194
anywhere after 10PM.

781
00:28:50,146 --> 00:28:51,519
You could drive your car

782
00:28:52,289 --> 00:28:52,789
from

783
00:28:53,419 --> 00:28:55,257
8 in the morning till 10PM, but you're

784
00:28:55,257 --> 00:28:56,935
not allowed to drive your car after that.

785
00:28:57,575 --> 00:28:59,173
Mh. And then they look at me so

786
00:28:59,173 --> 00:28:59,492
strange,

787
00:29:00,132 --> 00:29:01,431
and I say to them

788
00:29:02,623 --> 00:29:04,297
You do... You do appreciate,

789
00:29:05,493 --> 00:29:07,246
they're trying to take something away from you.

790
00:29:07,565 --> 00:29:07,804
Correct?

791
00:29:08,681 --> 00:29:09,956
And they go, well, yes.

792
00:29:10,608 --> 00:29:12,518
I mean, I don't get off work a

793
00:29:12,518 --> 00:29:14,985
lot of days so 11:00 at night. And

794
00:29:15,065 --> 00:29:17,554
I said, well, you seem to be very

795
00:29:17,770 --> 00:29:19,043
concerned about your rights.

796
00:29:20,805 --> 00:29:22,654
That you're allowed to drive a car whenever

797
00:29:22,709 --> 00:29:24,057
you want to to go to work,

798
00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:26,596
maybe pick up a husband or a spouse

799
00:29:26,596 --> 00:29:27,548
a boyfriend a kid,

800
00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:30,039
from camp or at the airport,

801
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,080
but you don't seem to be offended when

802
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,840
people are trying to take something away from

803
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:35,080
me.

804
00:29:35,973 --> 00:29:39,082
Mh. And when you give them a scenario

805
00:29:39,082 --> 00:29:40,198
where they understand,

806
00:29:41,155 --> 00:29:42,611
or they start to correlate

807
00:29:43,148 --> 00:29:43,648
that

808
00:29:44,834 --> 00:29:45,890
you are not

809
00:29:46,423 --> 00:29:48,829
in agreement with them trying to take things

810
00:29:48,885 --> 00:29:50,554
away from you that mean a lot to

811
00:29:50,554 --> 00:29:52,404
you. You gotta find something

812
00:29:52,794 --> 00:29:55,431
that means a lot to them, like driving

813
00:29:55,431 --> 00:29:58,727
their car after 10PM or after 9PM. Something

814
00:29:58,786 --> 00:29:59,745
so restrictive.

815
00:30:00,318 --> 00:30:02,385
You know, like, the weekend gun laws are

816
00:30:02,385 --> 00:30:04,395
not. Right? So restrictive

817
00:30:05,723 --> 00:30:06,518
that who others?

818
00:30:07,964 --> 00:30:09,882
Who even who even goes to a gun

819
00:30:09,882 --> 00:30:10,681
range anymore.

820
00:30:11,401 --> 00:30:14,038
Right? Mh. And you gotta make sure that

821
00:30:14,038 --> 00:30:16,035
they understand that the same way they would

822
00:30:16,035 --> 00:30:18,306
feel about restrictions on their life

823
00:30:18,684 --> 00:30:21,316
are how you feel about restrictions on your

824
00:30:21,316 --> 00:30:21,555
life,

825
00:30:22,193 --> 00:30:24,129
and it it sets up a different

826
00:30:24,745 --> 00:30:26,101
atmosphere in the in the interview.

827
00:30:27,153 --> 00:30:27,872
Mh. Yeah.

828
00:30:28,511 --> 00:30:30,267
Because 1 thing, you know,

829
00:30:31,145 --> 00:30:32,742
I guess that, I haven't done that many

830
00:30:32,742 --> 00:30:34,179
media interviews. But 1 of the things when

831
00:30:34,259 --> 00:30:35,855
I talking to people 1 on 1.

832
00:30:36,508 --> 00:30:39,446
Is always point out that I'm not the

833
00:30:39,446 --> 00:30:42,249
person you should be worried about you... Because

834
00:30:42,543 --> 00:30:44,687
you're were we're worried about the criminals. Not

835
00:30:44,687 --> 00:30:45,322
the good people.

836
00:30:45,893 --> 00:30:47,878
So if I don't commit a crime, you

837
00:30:47,878 --> 00:30:50,021
don't really care what I own or what

838
00:30:50,101 --> 00:30:52,006
I do with it, different things like that

839
00:30:52,006 --> 00:30:53,515
as long as I'm not a criminal. And

840
00:30:53,515 --> 00:30:54,308
if I'm a criminal,

841
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:57,197
by definition. I don't care what the law.

842
00:30:57,436 --> 00:30:59,514
I'm gonna go wrap the convenience store. I'm

843
00:30:59,514 --> 00:31:01,272
gonna go break into a house do those

844
00:31:01,272 --> 00:31:03,350
types of things. So passing restrictions.

845
00:31:04,164 --> 00:31:07,125
Don't... Doesn't really stop criminals because hasn't it

846
00:31:07,125 --> 00:31:09,525
been against the law, you know, to kill

847
00:31:09,525 --> 00:31:11,445
and steal and all that for centuries?

848
00:31:11,859 --> 00:31:13,538
But we still have... We still go along

849
00:31:13,538 --> 00:31:15,456
and have that, and that just goes along

850
00:31:15,456 --> 00:31:18,093
shows you. It's a issue there besides guns.

851
00:31:18,253 --> 00:31:20,171
It's how do you enforce that and get

852
00:31:20,171 --> 00:31:22,343
people away from doing those types of activities.

853
00:31:22,583 --> 00:31:24,820
Yeah. And and, I guess, Rob, I look

854
00:31:24,820 --> 00:31:25,619
at the big picture,

855
00:31:26,338 --> 00:31:28,415
I... I'm Ellen Cor.

856
00:31:29,624 --> 00:31:31,449
I was on a panel with Alan, a

857
00:31:31,449 --> 00:31:33,830
2 way a a firearms panel with... It

858
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:36,291
back a few years ago. And Alan had

859
00:31:36,291 --> 00:31:37,743
a pretty up to date

860
00:31:38,133 --> 00:31:41,184
I wanna say it's a hundred and 11000

861
00:31:42,517 --> 00:31:44,611
gun control or gun

862
00:31:45,067 --> 00:31:45,466
related.

863
00:31:46,594 --> 00:31:48,579
Regulations and restrictions that are on the books

864
00:31:48,579 --> 00:31:50,565
right now. You know, if you add up

865
00:31:50,565 --> 00:31:52,710
state by state and fed by fed, federal

866
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:54,854
by federal, it's over a hundred thousand.

867
00:31:56,144 --> 00:31:58,721
Right? And by the way, that has

868
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:00,159
not stopped

869
00:32:00,778 --> 00:32:01,278
anything.

870
00:32:02,855 --> 00:32:03,335
Except. Mh.

871
00:32:03,908 --> 00:32:05,578
You know, I look at some of these

872
00:32:05,578 --> 00:32:05,896
cops.

873
00:32:07,089 --> 00:32:08,463
I hate to pick on Yu,

874
00:32:08,838 --> 00:32:11,303
but, you know, III was just in Yu,

875
00:32:11,779 --> 00:32:12,893
Texas not long ago.

876
00:32:13,624 --> 00:32:15,457
Those guys were frozen in space,

877
00:32:16,414 --> 00:32:18,248
well, they shouldn't have been addressing the problem.

878
00:32:18,806 --> 00:32:20,400
And mh part of the thing that they

879
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,675
were frozen space on,

880
00:32:22,169 --> 00:32:23,387
was all the bureaucracy bureaucracy.

881
00:32:24,085 --> 00:32:24,324
Right.

882
00:32:25,043 --> 00:32:26,101
Mh. And

883
00:32:26,878 --> 00:32:29,433
and I'm not blaming them because I wasn't

884
00:32:29,433 --> 00:32:31,997
there. Alright? But if we have over a

885
00:32:31,997 --> 00:32:35,575
hundred thousand gun laws and regulations on the

886
00:32:35,575 --> 00:32:35,893
books,

887
00:32:37,323 --> 00:32:38,357
and they don't work.

888
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:40,540
Hello?

889
00:32:43,773 --> 00:32:44,273
Hello?

890
00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:47,585
Mh. Yeah. You know,

891
00:32:48,712 --> 00:32:50,937
And, you know, is it really the the

892
00:32:50,937 --> 00:32:53,083
number of laws or how we're enforcing them

893
00:32:53,083 --> 00:32:54,354
because I... I know... Oh,

894
00:32:55,229 --> 00:32:57,548
unless out there no left and right you

895
00:32:57,548 --> 00:32:59,139
know, when you go along and have, you

896
00:32:59,139 --> 00:33:01,844
know, drug dealers and, you know, con convict

897
00:33:01,844 --> 00:33:03,753
convex, you know, felons out there that have

898
00:33:03,753 --> 00:33:03,992
guns.

899
00:33:04,643 --> 00:33:06,946
Something's something's broken there and should be able

900
00:33:06,946 --> 00:33:09,250
to go along and, you know, address that,

901
00:33:09,409 --> 00:33:11,872
you know, pretty su and enforce the walls,

902
00:33:12,030 --> 00:33:12,348
which

903
00:33:13,159 --> 00:33:14,537
There were there were some walls

904
00:33:14,915 --> 00:33:16,592
30 years ago that made, you know, a

905
00:33:16,592 --> 00:33:18,449
film with a gun a 5 year mandatory

906
00:33:18,508 --> 00:33:20,663
sentence, but... Yep. Not too many times if

907
00:33:20,663 --> 00:33:23,945
people ever get charged with that from that

908
00:33:23,945 --> 00:33:24,262
level of

909
00:33:25,057 --> 00:33:27,441
If they're in this country illegally, they will

910
00:33:27,441 --> 00:33:29,110
not it charged. Might get deported.

911
00:33:30,554 --> 00:33:32,006
But they're they're

912
00:33:32,933 --> 00:33:34,678
they're not getting get charged. I mean, Mh.

913
00:33:34,837 --> 00:33:37,534
If you want some great case history on

914
00:33:37,534 --> 00:33:37,693
that,

915
00:33:38,503 --> 00:33:40,121
go look at Seattle, Washington.

916
00:33:42,096 --> 00:33:44,012
You don't have to just look at Cincinnati.

917
00:33:44,411 --> 00:33:46,167
Mh. You don't have to just look at

918
00:33:46,247 --> 00:33:48,998
New Orleans. Right? Go look at Seattle

919
00:33:49,537 --> 00:33:52,253
where they took over a police station.

920
00:33:53,371 --> 00:33:53,611
Yep.

921
00:33:54,744 --> 00:33:57,058
So I mean, you and I don't have

922
00:33:57,058 --> 00:33:59,452
to reach far to know that

923
00:34:00,330 --> 00:34:02,485
that the inmates are running the asylum.

924
00:34:03,220 --> 00:34:05,380
Yeah. That's kind of a an unfortunate type

925
00:34:05,380 --> 00:34:06,440
of thing, which,

926
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:09,559
and the and the people running the... Or

927
00:34:09,619 --> 00:34:11,960
the people making laws for the asylum are

928
00:34:12,274 --> 00:34:14,987
you know, not paying attention either. Nope. With

929
00:34:14,987 --> 00:34:16,662
it, which is which is really unfortunate.

930
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:18,657
You know years ago, I'll me give you

931
00:34:18,657 --> 00:34:21,291
a good 1. Years ago, many, many, many

932
00:34:21,291 --> 00:34:22,876
years ago. After I written my book babe

933
00:34:22,876 --> 00:34:23,352
with bullets,

934
00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:26,205
I was invited on the view.

935
00:34:27,013 --> 00:34:28,841
When Rosie O'donnell was still on the view.

936
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,749
Okay? That's bought back a lot of years

937
00:34:30,749 --> 00:34:30,908
ago.

938
00:34:31,862 --> 00:34:32,362
And

939
00:34:33,054 --> 00:34:35,438
that... By the way, that segment never aired.

940
00:34:35,677 --> 00:34:37,610
It's taped in front of a live audience.

941
00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:40,170
It's not taped live back down.

942
00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:42,510
Right? Okay. Mh. And

943
00:34:43,784 --> 00:34:45,699
I was there because they wanted to talk

944
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:47,933
about, you know, women and firearms well, well,

945
00:34:48,092 --> 00:34:50,646
Rosie O'donnell had herself literally.

946
00:34:51,459 --> 00:34:53,853
Literally had herself a melt that I was

947
00:34:53,853 --> 00:34:54,092
there.

948
00:34:54,970 --> 00:34:56,486
3 hours in the green room, and I

949
00:34:56,486 --> 00:34:58,401
would... I think I sat in on the

950
00:34:58,401 --> 00:34:58,901
stage

951
00:34:59,453 --> 00:35:00,569
a minute 30 seconds.

952
00:35:01,366 --> 00:35:04,236
And Rosie said, you know, what gives you

953
00:35:04,236 --> 00:35:06,070
the right blah blah blah, you know Rosie

954
00:35:06,070 --> 00:35:07,106
is pretty impressive.

955
00:35:07,759 --> 00:35:09,590
And I was very calm.

956
00:35:10,626 --> 00:35:13,333
I was very calm, and I I looked

957
00:35:13,333 --> 00:35:15,085
at her and I said, Rosie, I find

958
00:35:15,085 --> 00:35:15,961
it interesting.

959
00:35:16,692 --> 00:35:18,227
That you are so

960
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:19,558
worried,

961
00:35:20,991 --> 00:35:24,176
about women buying firearms, protects their families.

962
00:35:24,669 --> 00:35:27,300
When not less than 90 days ago, the

963
00:35:27,459 --> 00:35:29,554
New York your bodyguard

964
00:35:30,488 --> 00:35:32,561
applied in New York superior court.

965
00:35:33,213 --> 00:35:35,276
For a licensed to carry and it was

966
00:35:35,276 --> 00:35:35,673
granted.

967
00:35:36,704 --> 00:35:38,077
So it's alright

968
00:35:38,609 --> 00:35:42,036
for your you to protect your family but

969
00:35:42,036 --> 00:35:44,758
it's not alright for other people to protect

970
00:35:44,893 --> 00:35:46,821
their family. And then

971
00:35:47,432 --> 00:35:48,702
the pup hit the fan.

972
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:51,810
Mh. I I can imagine. And I have

973
00:35:51,810 --> 00:35:52,840
to applaud you for all that.

974
00:35:53,792 --> 00:35:55,458
1 of the big things when you're being

975
00:35:55,458 --> 00:35:57,375
interviewed is to keep your cool. Because if

976
00:35:57,375 --> 00:35:59,119
you don't keep it cool, you're you're gonna

977
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,338
go along say something, you're gonna regret in

978
00:36:01,338 --> 00:36:02,923
the heat of the moment, something like that.

979
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:04,999
And then we'll use that. You know, it's

980
00:36:04,999 --> 00:36:07,296
just the way things go. Rob, remember, anybody

981
00:36:07,296 --> 00:36:08,327
that comes to interview me,

982
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:11,909
you know, I'm not AII

983
00:36:11,909 --> 00:36:14,567
don't love Google, but anybody that's come to

984
00:36:14,706 --> 00:36:17,103
view me. I'm looking at they're Wiki. I'm

985
00:36:17,103 --> 00:36:18,382
looking at their other articles.

986
00:36:18,782 --> 00:36:20,220
I'm looking at where they come from.

987
00:36:21,830 --> 00:36:23,424
I'm I'm looking at a lot of stuff.

988
00:36:23,743 --> 00:36:26,373
I'm I'm looking at... Are they married? Do

989
00:36:26,373 --> 00:36:27,091
they have kids?

990
00:36:28,047 --> 00:36:30,472
I'm looking at I mean, I am

991
00:36:31,243 --> 00:36:33,864
doing not a full Pi report. I don't

992
00:36:33,864 --> 00:36:35,374
wanna know their net worth authorities anything like

993
00:36:35,374 --> 00:36:36,804
that. I mean, I'm not doing a full

994
00:36:36,883 --> 00:36:39,358
P. But I am definitely getting the skinny

995
00:36:39,358 --> 00:36:40,097
on them

996
00:36:41,739 --> 00:36:43,563
before they ever show up to interview me,

997
00:36:43,801 --> 00:36:45,150
and a lot of people don't do that

998
00:36:45,150 --> 00:36:45,547
homework.

999
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:46,517
Mh.

1000
00:36:47,155 --> 00:36:49,465
Yep. That's very very important. And 1 of

1001
00:36:49,465 --> 00:36:50,741
the things that I do, you know, on

1002
00:36:50,741 --> 00:36:51,480
the guest

1003
00:36:52,016 --> 00:36:53,664
before they come on the podcast too because

1004
00:36:53,864 --> 00:36:55,938
gives me. Yep. Background information on them as

1005
00:36:55,938 --> 00:36:56,815
well as I go alone,

1006
00:36:57,453 --> 00:36:59,048
you know, is that really the type person

1007
00:36:59,128 --> 00:37:00,883
I I wanna have on the show. So

1008
00:37:00,883 --> 00:37:02,717
it's you useful to go along and do

1009
00:37:02,717 --> 00:37:02,877
that.

1010
00:37:03,929 --> 00:37:04,249
Mh.

1011
00:37:05,048 --> 00:37:05,447
Definitely.

1012
00:37:07,445 --> 00:37:09,923
Very good information, deb that you're sharing with

1013
00:37:09,923 --> 00:37:10,243
us

1014
00:37:11,202 --> 00:37:12,960
today for this. So I really appreciate that.

1015
00:37:13,454 --> 00:37:14,803
We've got a question for you We've been

1016
00:37:14,803 --> 00:37:17,105
asking all our season 7 guests. What do

1017
00:37:17,105 --> 00:37:18,613
you do for your mental health every day?

1018
00:37:20,201 --> 00:37:22,026
I am a huge... Well, there's 2 things.

1019
00:37:22,359 --> 00:37:23,391
I'm a huge yogi.

1020
00:37:24,107 --> 00:37:25,060
I teach yoga.

1021
00:37:25,775 --> 00:37:26,649
I take yoga.

1022
00:37:28,635 --> 00:37:30,702
Typically what I teach is hath yoga,

1023
00:37:31,751 --> 00:37:33,978
I also cheer... Teach wheelchair yoga.

1024
00:37:35,411 --> 00:37:38,434
Not everybody is able body to a take

1025
00:37:38,434 --> 00:37:41,075
yoga. I've been a yogi for about 41

1026
00:37:41,075 --> 00:37:41,394
years.

1027
00:37:42,270 --> 00:37:44,659
And, the other thing I do, I do

1028
00:37:44,659 --> 00:37:45,956
in every

1029
00:37:46,491 --> 00:37:48,902
morning like clockwork. I walk

1030
00:37:49,372 --> 00:37:51,833
I hike 21 miles AAA week.

1031
00:37:53,421 --> 00:37:54,215
With my dogs,

1032
00:37:54,930 --> 00:37:55,430
and

1033
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,018
I'm out

1034
00:37:57,329 --> 00:37:59,809
and I'm I'm hiking. I do a lot

1035
00:37:59,809 --> 00:38:02,050
of hiking. 1 to be ready for big

1036
00:38:02,050 --> 00:38:04,150
hunts. Right? But 2

1037
00:38:04,464 --> 00:38:06,060
because I think it keeps your mind clearing

1038
00:38:06,060 --> 00:38:08,534
and gets rid of rid of... It could

1039
00:38:08,534 --> 00:38:10,211
get rid of a lot of neck negativity.

1040
00:38:10,450 --> 00:38:11,887
I do a lot of praying when I'm

1041
00:38:11,887 --> 00:38:12,626
out hiking

1042
00:38:13,018 --> 00:38:15,007
I do Rob. I pray a lot. I

1043
00:38:15,007 --> 00:38:15,984
prayed for people

1044
00:38:16,438 --> 00:38:16,915
that

1045
00:38:17,631 --> 00:38:18,505
I'm upset with.

1046
00:38:19,619 --> 00:38:21,152
You know that I feel maybe

1047
00:38:21,463 --> 00:38:23,614
did something wrong. Could be your child. Could

1048
00:38:23,614 --> 00:38:26,323
be your husband. Could be, you know, somebody

1049
00:38:26,323 --> 00:38:27,518
not related to the family.

1050
00:38:28,235 --> 00:38:29,907
But I do a lot of praying while

1051
00:38:30,067 --> 00:38:32,226
I hon, While I hunt, I do a

1052
00:38:32,226 --> 00:38:32,941
lot of yoga.

1053
00:38:34,211 --> 00:38:35,560
I do a lot of cream when I

1054
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,251
hike and hunt, and

1055
00:38:38,672 --> 00:38:40,664
I I look at things like,

1056
00:38:43,612 --> 00:38:45,763
very much to somewhat by my life. I

1057
00:38:45,763 --> 00:38:47,617
look at life as a as a

1058
00:38:48,167 --> 00:38:49,837
the way I look at things is God

1059
00:38:49,837 --> 00:38:51,824
gives every 1 of us a blessing. Every

1060
00:38:51,824 --> 00:38:53,494
1 of us gets a blessing.

1061
00:38:54,289 --> 00:38:57,094
And it's something you you have a check

1062
00:38:57,483 --> 00:38:59,176
Right? My blessing was

1063
00:38:59,869 --> 00:39:02,333
was energy. I mean, really yeah but that

1064
00:39:02,333 --> 00:39:04,242
was my blessing. You know, I'm really good

1065
00:39:04,242 --> 00:39:05,036
at logistics.

1066
00:39:05,766 --> 00:39:08,386
Really good at logistics and and inter... I

1067
00:39:08,386 --> 00:39:11,323
have a lot of energy. And I see

1068
00:39:11,323 --> 00:39:12,911
that as a check on my dresser.

1069
00:39:13,545 --> 00:39:13,863
Right?

1070
00:39:14,671 --> 00:39:16,018
And I chose to cash it.

1071
00:39:16,652 --> 00:39:19,055
I see people with amazing talents

1072
00:39:19,823 --> 00:39:21,091
that never cashed or check.

1073
00:39:22,619 --> 00:39:24,217
They're given a blessing by God,

1074
00:39:25,096 --> 00:39:26,614
and they never cashed the check.

1075
00:39:27,973 --> 00:39:31,103
And when they're 70 or 80 or 85

1076
00:39:31,103 --> 00:39:33,648
or night or whatever they go, should woulda

1077
00:39:33,648 --> 00:39:33,966
coulda.

1078
00:39:34,523 --> 00:39:35,239
Mh. Right?

1079
00:39:35,955 --> 00:39:37,091
My feeling is

1080
00:39:37,879 --> 00:39:39,228
Like I said at the beginning when you

1081
00:39:39,228 --> 00:39:41,555
and I talked, I I... Irma obama back

1082
00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:42,190
para

1083
00:39:42,563 --> 00:39:44,787
when I stand before God at the end

1084
00:39:44,787 --> 00:39:45,422
of my life.

1085
00:39:46,074 --> 00:39:47,434
I want to be able to look at

1086
00:39:47,434 --> 00:39:50,155
him and say I used every talent you

1087
00:39:50,155 --> 00:39:50,554
gave me.

1088
00:39:51,755 --> 00:39:52,815
Mh And I

1089
00:39:53,128 --> 00:39:54,320
It's been decades,

1090
00:39:54,876 --> 00:39:57,259
and I still feel like that. Oh, it's

1091
00:39:57,259 --> 00:40:00,516
great. The great motto for life and great

1092
00:40:00,516 --> 00:40:01,254
way to

1093
00:40:01,644 --> 00:40:02,761
look at things and

1094
00:40:03,399 --> 00:40:05,233
as a fellow hunter myself, I can...

1095
00:40:06,031 --> 00:40:07,626
I don't know of any hunters that are

1096
00:40:07,626 --> 00:40:10,099
atheist because as hunters, you're always... You're you're

1097
00:40:10,099 --> 00:40:12,748
always out there praying. Or Yes. Either it's

1098
00:40:12,748 --> 00:40:15,225
sand animal or you're praying for or, you

1099
00:40:15,225 --> 00:40:17,143
know, that just gets you back, you know,

1100
00:40:17,223 --> 00:40:18,902
to get get to the car, you know,

1101
00:40:18,981 --> 00:40:20,739
those types of things Mh. Know,

1102
00:40:21,391 --> 00:40:23,220
Honey is 1 of those things it's definitely

1103
00:40:23,220 --> 00:40:25,922
pushes you to the... To your personal limits.

1104
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,546
And like I said, know like any Atheists.

1105
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,034
I... And I will tell you speaking of

1106
00:40:31,034 --> 00:40:32,789
honey just for a moment, Rob, that was

1107
00:40:32,789 --> 00:40:35,023
really pushed to your limits. So when I

1108
00:40:35,023 --> 00:40:35,900
was in Namibia,

1109
00:40:36,473 --> 00:40:38,540
I thought jeez, I'm hiking 3 to 4

1110
00:40:38,540 --> 00:40:41,164
miles every day, 6, 7 days a week.

1111
00:40:41,721 --> 00:40:43,867
Day, carrying a pack and I had 30

1112
00:40:43,867 --> 00:40:45,457
pounds in my pack. Right?

1113
00:40:46,188 --> 00:40:46,665
And

1114
00:40:47,380 --> 00:40:48,653
I wanted to be... And of course, I

1115
00:40:48,653 --> 00:40:51,516
always carry conceal, but, I wanted to be

1116
00:40:51,516 --> 00:40:54,219
ready to be alter. I had no idea

1117
00:40:54,219 --> 00:40:55,333
when I was in Namibia.

1118
00:40:56,143 --> 00:40:57,521
That we were gonna be hiking,

1119
00:40:58,457 --> 00:40:59,972
spotting spot and stock,

1120
00:41:01,168 --> 00:41:03,322
4 to 5 miles on a short 1

1121
00:41:03,322 --> 00:41:05,556
and 12 miles on a long 1.

1122
00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:09,090
Namibia of the Ka desert, Rob,

1123
00:41:10,130 --> 00:41:11,650
kit my butt.

1124
00:41:14,785 --> 00:41:17,204
I wasn't ready. So I was praying

1125
00:41:18,224 --> 00:41:20,305
a lot. The Cauliflower howard did tell howard

1126
00:41:20,385 --> 00:41:21,105
Desert coin.

1127
00:41:22,558 --> 00:41:24,308
I hope I make it. I hope I

1128
00:41:24,308 --> 00:41:25,819
make it. I hope I make it.

1129
00:41:26,694 --> 00:41:27,012
Mh.

1130
00:41:27,728 --> 00:41:27,967
Yep.

1131
00:41:28,683 --> 00:41:29,081
Definitely.

1132
00:41:29,494 --> 00:41:31,246
I've I've been in the in the woods

1133
00:41:31,246 --> 00:41:32,760
around Ohio before and

1134
00:41:33,397 --> 00:41:35,490
very, you know, mile off the road and

1135
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:37,795
when you're trying to get the animal out

1136
00:41:37,795 --> 00:41:38,672
like that by hand.

1137
00:41:39,630 --> 00:41:42,262
You hope you say the same thing. God,

1138
00:41:42,342 --> 00:41:44,495
just let me make this. You know? Yeah.

1139
00:41:44,974 --> 00:41:45,851
Yeah. And you know,

1140
00:41:46,742 --> 00:41:48,963
It's 1 because you wanna honor the animal.

1141
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,581
You know what definitely book it, You wanna

1142
00:41:51,581 --> 00:41:53,961
honor the animal. I did do an elk

1143
00:41:53,961 --> 00:41:57,007
archer hunt hardest hunt I've ever done ever.

1144
00:41:57,407 --> 00:41:58,846
Somebody asked me if I wanted to come

1145
00:41:58,846 --> 00:42:00,124
back and do it next year, and I

1146
00:42:00,124 --> 00:42:00,844
went no.

1147
00:42:01,882 --> 00:42:03,880
It's too hard. But

1148
00:42:05,175 --> 00:42:06,934
You know, you wanna honor the animal, You

1149
00:42:06,934 --> 00:42:09,175
wanna honor the hunt, and most of all,

1150
00:42:09,655 --> 00:42:10,055
you know,

1151
00:42:11,175 --> 00:42:13,346
I, you know, when I read a portions

1152
00:42:13,346 --> 00:42:15,750
of the bible, you know, that relate to,

1153
00:42:15,965 --> 00:42:18,584
you know, a Timothy or corinthians how you

1154
00:42:18,584 --> 00:42:20,824
yoke yourself to other people or you know,

1155
00:42:21,303 --> 00:42:22,901
what you believe in and what you're in

1156
00:42:22,901 --> 00:42:23,380
the blind.

1157
00:42:23,940 --> 00:42:26,016
I think it's so important that you don't

1158
00:42:26,016 --> 00:42:27,076
just share testimony

1159
00:42:27,549 --> 00:42:29,141
with other people in the blind. I think

1160
00:42:29,141 --> 00:42:31,928
it's important you share testimony with yourself. And

1161
00:42:31,928 --> 00:42:33,919
part of that is, please, God, Let me

1162
00:42:33,919 --> 00:42:35,113
get this animal back.

1163
00:42:36,402 --> 00:42:38,072
That I can make it. I mean, that's

1164
00:42:38,072 --> 00:42:38,629
a prayer.

1165
00:42:39,186 --> 00:42:39,583
Mh.

1166
00:42:40,777 --> 00:42:42,686
Yep. Exactly. And you know,

1167
00:42:44,211 --> 00:42:46,517
honor the animals, you know, life, you know,

1168
00:42:46,676 --> 00:42:49,300
properly and such, you know, being in Ohio.

1169
00:42:49,618 --> 00:42:51,447
I'm fortunate enough to be able to, you

1170
00:42:51,447 --> 00:42:53,612
know, use the meat you know, that... From

1171
00:42:53,612 --> 00:42:55,686
the Deer harvest and such, and that's where

1172
00:42:56,085 --> 00:42:57,920
you know, that's part of my responsibility is

1173
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,356
a hunter to you know,

1174
00:43:00,009 --> 00:43:02,478
you use that properly, and I've saved a

1175
00:43:02,478 --> 00:43:04,390
couple of the skins. And, you know, it's

1176
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:05,346
it's those

1177
00:43:05,904 --> 00:43:07,914
those are great memories. To think about those

1178
00:43:07,914 --> 00:43:09,672
hunts and look back at them describe and

1179
00:43:09,672 --> 00:43:11,909
to like my grandsons and such. I think

1180
00:43:11,909 --> 00:43:14,707
that's that's huge. And I was fortunate enough

1181
00:43:14,707 --> 00:43:16,805
to win an Innocent nsf

1182
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:20,155
heritage grant because I've been taking Veteran and

1183
00:43:20,155 --> 00:43:23,751
women out, offer wild hog, mostly for wild

1184
00:43:23,751 --> 00:43:23,990
hog.

1185
00:43:24,565 --> 00:43:26,644
In a blind in a hyphen fence, so

1186
00:43:26,644 --> 00:43:27,864
their first hunt

1187
00:43:28,164 --> 00:43:29,605
was a successful 1.

1188
00:43:30,324 --> 00:43:32,164
And that's why you're were given the heritage

1189
00:43:32,164 --> 00:43:34,338
grant. And I will tell you, Rob, there's

1190
00:43:34,338 --> 00:43:36,172
not 1 time, a woman looked at me

1191
00:43:36,172 --> 00:43:36,731
and said,

1192
00:43:37,528 --> 00:43:40,342
oh, I'm so disappointed, I hunted it. Not

1193
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,192
1, and we've been doing it for years.

1194
00:43:44,004 --> 00:43:44,242
Mh.

1195
00:43:45,037 --> 00:43:45,117
Yeah.

1196
00:43:45,992 --> 00:43:47,979
If listeners haven't gone out on hunting.

1197
00:43:48,774 --> 00:43:51,875
There are hunting mentoring programs for everybody in

1198
00:43:51,875 --> 00:43:54,117
pretty much every state that's out there. And,

1199
00:43:54,435 --> 00:43:56,027
you know reach out, see if you can

1200
00:43:56,027 --> 00:43:58,255
get in touch with a mentor because if

1201
00:43:58,255 --> 00:43:59,927
you don't mind being the outdoors and getting

1202
00:43:59,927 --> 00:44:02,248
up early and, you know, being cold and

1203
00:44:02,248 --> 00:44:03,917
being hot, you know, in the weather streams.

1204
00:44:04,394 --> 00:44:07,335
You'll find some very, very rewarding times in

1205
00:44:07,335 --> 00:44:09,083
the woods, and I'm not talking about the

1206
00:44:09,083 --> 00:44:11,165
times that you pull the trigger. Talking about

1207
00:44:11,165 --> 00:44:12,994
where you're sitting there and you see other

1208
00:44:12,994 --> 00:44:15,540
animals. Just come walking by because you're so

1209
00:44:15,540 --> 00:44:16,972
still that they don't even know you're there.

1210
00:44:17,463 --> 00:44:19,925
And you really realize the, you know, beauty

1211
00:44:19,925 --> 00:44:22,068
of nature, and everything has been put out

1212
00:44:22,068 --> 00:44:24,371
there or... I think... And here's something that

1213
00:44:24,371 --> 00:44:25,720
was really good. You know, when we were

1214
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,719
posting pictures of my hunt in namibia.

1215
00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:30,732
I did have people come back and say

1216
00:44:30,732 --> 00:44:33,032
to me, I can't believe you did that

1217
00:44:33,032 --> 00:44:35,750
with that animal with You are you, you

1218
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:38,541
know, how Humane, Yada yada yada, and I...

1219
00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:41,512
And I came back and said, you spoiled

1220
00:44:42,128 --> 00:44:42,628
American.

1221
00:44:44,295 --> 00:44:45,967
I said you spoiled American.

1222
00:44:46,445 --> 00:44:48,277
I said that animal, in this case, it

1223
00:44:48,277 --> 00:44:51,542
was wilde beast. That animal fed an entire

1224
00:44:51,542 --> 00:44:52,042
village

1225
00:44:52,354 --> 00:44:53,233
for 3 days.

1226
00:44:54,032 --> 00:44:54,271
Right.

1227
00:44:56,109 --> 00:44:58,526
You spoiled Americans, they don't have a costco

1228
00:44:59,319 --> 00:45:01,389
You know, they don't have a Walmart. They

1229
00:45:01,389 --> 00:45:04,335
got nothing like that. They they depend on

1230
00:45:04,335 --> 00:45:06,405
people like me coming in there to harvest

1231
00:45:06,405 --> 00:45:07,281
animals for them.

1232
00:45:07,854 --> 00:45:09,048
So their Village sheets.

1233
00:45:09,686 --> 00:45:13,110
And people here don't really get that. Mh.

1234
00:45:13,987 --> 00:45:16,319
Yeah. Definitely am. And the 1 thing that

1235
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:18,167
people don't realize

1236
00:45:18,864 --> 00:45:21,017
that if didn't have hunters going over, they're

1237
00:45:21,017 --> 00:45:25,164
paying to hunt. And then donate animals back

1238
00:45:25,164 --> 00:45:27,253
to the villages and things like that. There

1239
00:45:27,253 --> 00:45:30,120
would be uncontrolled hunting, which then you'll see

1240
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:30,779
of the

1241
00:45:31,235 --> 00:45:32,589
animal population drop.

1242
00:45:33,226 --> 00:45:35,297
Yes. Say be manage it it drops. And

1243
00:45:35,297 --> 00:45:37,463
that's where that's part of the North American

1244
00:45:37,543 --> 00:45:39,295
Wildlife model. And it is...

1245
00:45:40,330 --> 00:45:43,436
You are harvesting animals, but there are reasons

1246
00:45:43,436 --> 00:45:45,684
why you need to take out the old

1247
00:45:45,684 --> 00:45:47,362
animals from time to time because they might

1248
00:45:47,362 --> 00:45:49,700
be doing more damage and good. You also

1249
00:45:49,759 --> 00:45:52,716
have animals that will go rogue and start

1250
00:45:52,716 --> 00:45:55,367
attacking other animals or or people and different

1251
00:45:55,367 --> 00:45:56,963
things. So there's there's a lot of different

1252
00:45:56,963 --> 00:45:58,400
reasons to be able do it and just

1253
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,194
because you, you know, shot a large elephant

1254
00:46:01,194 --> 00:46:03,110
with Big tu or a draft or a

1255
00:46:03,110 --> 00:46:05,195
line. Doesn't necessarily mean that you were, you

1256
00:46:05,195 --> 00:46:07,900
know, targeting or you were taking that animal

1257
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:09,411
for no reason at all most of the

1258
00:46:09,411 --> 00:46:12,539
time. You're teamed up with professional hunters who

1259
00:46:12,539 --> 00:46:14,460
know the know the area, know the animals,

1260
00:46:14,860 --> 00:46:17,099
and you'll, you know, discuss with them what

1261
00:46:17,099 --> 00:46:18,219
you want out of it, and they'll tell

1262
00:46:18,219 --> 00:46:20,148
you, you know, what what they can do

1263
00:46:20,148 --> 00:46:21,579
and... And what kind of animals you can

1264
00:46:21,579 --> 00:46:23,647
go go after to achieve your goal. So

1265
00:46:23,647 --> 00:46:27,066
it's yeah. Very good... Planes I did all

1266
00:46:27,066 --> 00:46:28,657
playing game planes game animals.

1267
00:46:29,389 --> 00:46:31,702
And nothing I took was a baby.

1268
00:46:32,499 --> 00:46:34,733
Everything I took was something past their prime.

1269
00:46:35,131 --> 00:46:37,923
Mh. And the ph, the professional hunter, which

1270
00:46:37,923 --> 00:46:40,166
you have to have with you. Says that

1271
00:46:40,166 --> 00:46:42,868
1 needs to go. It's choosing resources.

1272
00:46:43,504 --> 00:46:46,682
We... Word a drought. You're choosing resources, Please

1273
00:46:46,682 --> 00:46:47,397
take that 1.

1274
00:46:47,969 --> 00:46:49,163
Mh. So I grieve with you.

1275
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,031
Yep. I I know guy gone over to

1276
00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:53,646
Africa and he shot several

1277
00:46:54,022 --> 00:46:56,253
drafts, and you might not think about drafts.

1278
00:46:57,064 --> 00:46:58,818
You know, having or, you know,

1279
00:46:59,855 --> 00:47:01,449
being being an animal you at hunt, but

1280
00:47:01,449 --> 00:47:02,246
at the same time it's...

1281
00:47:03,203 --> 00:47:05,037
They're like a wild animal. They know how

1282
00:47:05,037 --> 00:47:07,362
to survive. And at same time, draft gets

1283
00:47:07,362 --> 00:47:09,135
so old, they will start

1284
00:47:10,387 --> 00:47:12,775
attacking the younger males, which means that even

1285
00:47:12,775 --> 00:47:15,337
though that older male, is no longer able

1286
00:47:15,337 --> 00:47:19,018
to reproduce. He's he's going long and terror

1287
00:47:19,234 --> 00:47:20,848
away the younger ones, which

1288
00:47:21,317 --> 00:47:23,482
means that that hurts gonna die off or

1289
00:47:23,617 --> 00:47:26,313
continuing it smaller until the older draft is

1290
00:47:26,313 --> 00:47:27,742
removed. Do you remove the older draft and

1291
00:47:27,742 --> 00:47:29,424
the younger ones are able to you know,

1292
00:47:29,663 --> 00:47:31,260
continue on the blood line. So there's... Yep.

1293
00:47:31,420 --> 00:47:32,777
There's a lot of reasons to do that.

1294
00:47:33,096 --> 00:47:34,612
I see it often, and

1295
00:47:35,490 --> 00:47:37,327
yeah. I I agree with you. And I

1296
00:47:37,327 --> 00:47:38,146
think that

1297
00:47:38,459 --> 00:47:39,417
a lot of women,

1298
00:47:40,056 --> 00:47:42,051
especially say, well, I could never pull the

1299
00:47:42,051 --> 00:47:43,887
trigger. I could do it. And I look

1300
00:47:43,887 --> 00:47:45,882
at them and I go, I would like

1301
00:47:45,882 --> 00:47:47,135
you just to look

1302
00:47:47,574 --> 00:47:49,729
realistically at where your meat comes from that

1303
00:47:49,729 --> 00:47:51,405
you buy. And I had a woman say

1304
00:47:51,405 --> 00:47:51,644
to me,

1305
00:47:52,523 --> 00:47:53,820
well, it comes from Costco.

1306
00:47:54,438 --> 00:47:55,556
And I looked at and I said,

1307
00:47:56,288 --> 00:47:57,718
where does Costco get it?

1308
00:47:58,672 --> 00:48:00,103
She well, I don't know. And I said,

1309
00:48:00,262 --> 00:48:02,408
you ought... You ought to do your homework.

1310
00:48:04,090 --> 00:48:07,023
Mh. Definitely. In a lot of cases, when

1311
00:48:07,023 --> 00:48:08,846
you think about it from a green perspective,

1312
00:48:09,321 --> 00:48:10,748
when you take a wild animal,

1313
00:48:11,399 --> 00:48:14,033
that, you, is eaten, you know, they haven't

1314
00:48:14,033 --> 00:48:14,693
been in,

1315
00:48:15,071 --> 00:48:17,864
you know, antibiotics. They haven't been giving growth

1316
00:48:17,864 --> 00:48:19,620
hormones, all those types of things. They've just

1317
00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:22,035
had ate the grass and the other parts

1318
00:48:22,035 --> 00:48:24,375
of nature, that's more green

1319
00:48:25,075 --> 00:48:27,155
food than anything else that you could buy

1320
00:48:27,155 --> 00:48:29,085
in the in the store. Know, if you

1321
00:48:29,085 --> 00:48:30,119
if you wanna go organic,

1322
00:48:30,835 --> 00:48:33,142
wild animals are the only way to guarantee

1323
00:48:33,142 --> 00:48:35,943
that you're getting 100 percent organic. And I

1324
00:48:35,943 --> 00:48:37,378
could agree with you More. Because what's in

1325
00:48:37,378 --> 00:48:40,250
my freezer right now is wild hog from

1326
00:48:40,409 --> 00:48:40,909
February.

1327
00:48:41,526 --> 00:48:42,664
I grind everything,

1328
00:48:43,041 --> 00:48:45,329
and we use it for Omelette and

1329
00:48:46,005 --> 00:48:48,467
you know, pork sausage and everything. And the

1330
00:48:48,467 --> 00:48:50,373
other thing that's in my freezer is bison.

1331
00:48:51,961 --> 00:48:53,867
Lemon me? Elk... We just used to follow

1332
00:48:53,867 --> 00:48:56,295
our elk, but I have Bison. And

1333
00:48:57,555 --> 00:48:59,155
and people say to me, you shot a

1334
00:48:59,315 --> 00:48:59,715
Bison.

1335
00:49:00,275 --> 00:49:01,954
I said, yeah. The herd get too big.

1336
00:49:02,529 --> 00:49:03,965
They need you to thin them for help

1337
00:49:03,965 --> 00:49:04,842
them defend their herd.

1338
00:49:05,959 --> 00:49:06,677
Then, of course,

1339
00:49:07,315 --> 00:49:09,787
we gotta, you know, process it gutted it

1340
00:49:09,787 --> 00:49:11,702
process and, it's a lot of work.

1341
00:49:12,753 --> 00:49:16,266
But I have 2 big freezers a very

1342
00:49:16,266 --> 00:49:17,943
healthy meat. Mh.

1343
00:49:19,060 --> 00:49:20,338
Yep. And by the way, if you have

1344
00:49:20,338 --> 00:49:21,455
listeners that like to fish,

1345
00:49:22,108 --> 00:49:24,019
I love to fish. Just so you guys

1346
00:49:24,019 --> 00:49:25,929
know. If you wanna call me up to

1347
00:49:25,929 --> 00:49:27,601
zig me fishing, I love to fish.

1348
00:49:30,004 --> 00:49:31,913
Yeah. There's a there's a self promotion there.

1349
00:49:32,152 --> 00:49:34,380
But hey Deb. Working can people find more

1350
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information out if they wanna go alone invite

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you over to go fishing.

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Okay. So what I they could do is

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if they go to the WW0MA

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dot org, the W, which

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we're a 05:01

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c 3 Charity.

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And if they want it, it's the long

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title is the women's outdoor Media

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association.

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And,

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we are 05:01 c 3,

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which means Charity Foundation,

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all

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all

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board of volunteers.

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And if they wanna go on and look

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at that for more information,

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We have an event we do every April,

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which is she never quit the 1 coming

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up beginning of April of 20 25.

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All women

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teaching women at about fishing. And,

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you really about shooting sports, but we also

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have fishing there in the afternoons.

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We have arch screens there in the afternoons

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some amazing things going.

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But we are also starting to add fishing

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to

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the women's outdoor media,

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And the other thing in case you have

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any listeners and I don't know Rob, if

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you go to o ow WA0

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Reuters

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Association of America.

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And Ow a

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is coming up in El Paso at the

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end of September, and I'll be speaking to

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their program.

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Very nice. Very nice. So there's a couple

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ways people get in touch with you and

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or meet you in person. Plus will be

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a shot show we just talked about too.

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00:51:00,130 --> 00:51:02,050
Yeah. Come comes come January.

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00:51:02,610 --> 00:51:04,849
Yeah. Okay. Definitely reach Out to me so

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we can

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00:51:06,130 --> 00:51:09,654
swap some podcasting ideas. Because we podcast 8

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in the morning till noon,

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and then, of course, do some stuff with

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our sponsors.

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Mh.

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00:51:15,709 --> 00:51:18,263
Yep. Well, gotta get gotta get the schedule

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of going and everything because there's a lot

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of people I gotta catch up with during

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00:51:21,536 --> 00:51:23,691
shot so. So... Well, we got person to

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person.

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00:51:24,584 --> 00:51:27,541
Definitely. And like, that will be definitely. Definitely

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something I will target. Well, Deb, I appreciate

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your time today. Great information for, dealing with

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the media. Because I think with the elections

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00:51:35,858 --> 00:51:38,005
going on this year and with just the

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new cycle as a whole that we've got

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in America these days, There's probably a lot

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of instructors out there that are probably gonna

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get

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asked about what their views are. And your

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tips will definitely help them out, answer and

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00:51:50,697 --> 00:51:51,576
come across as,

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00:51:52,454 --> 00:51:55,331
responsible, firearm instructors. So that's great. Thank appreciate.

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00:51:55,491 --> 00:51:57,422
You so much for having me. Take care,

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00:51:57,582 --> 00:51:59,656
Deb. That's a wrap for this episode, and

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I hope you found conversation with deb to

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be informative. I'm sharing had a lot of

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good tips about talking to the media and

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