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Today, we're joined with Ryan Da from Pal
Academy. Welcome, Brian, and thank you for taking
time to come on the podcast today. And
on the problem, Rob, good to get a
chance to talk to you again? Definitely. Well,
hey. Before we jump into the topic of
today, can you give our listeners a little
bit about who Brian Da is
And what Pallet academy does? A, Pal Academy
is my brainchild from,
after I...
Jumped into the firearms
lifestyle.
1 of the things that I believe is
that a good instructor, teacher is a better
student,
and
I feel that
being able to teach also improves my skills.
So that's where Pallet and Academy came from
Pallet and Academy, basically,
going off of,
prior
prior guest,
Peter,
about setting up academy sci lessons,
So that's what I've based my classes around
as an academy style lesson,
and Pal is an ultimate defender of
the
romantic
chi era
that I enjoy.
So that's where Pal and academy actually came
from.
But
I'm in Southwest Michigan, North Central Indiana, and
I just
run my classes as best as I can
and
getting the knowledge that I can from anybody
and everywhere.
That's good. And
it's it's neat to see people taking that
academy approach with what Philip
talked about, and I'm sure he would be
very pleased to hear that that's
that you're applying that information to your classes
and such.
Hey.
Last year, you and I met at the
train learn event, 20 23 with
Katie.
But, this year, I was unable to make
it to the train and learn events. So
got... You've reached out to me. I think
it's really good.
Event.
Sorry. I missed it. And I think it's
something that the other instructors here, on, the
podcast could really benefit from. Kinda knowing what's
there. And hopefully, hopefully, maybe,
they will go long and sign up for
train learn 20 25.
So the first question,
yep. This is Friday, Saturday Sunday.
What was for... What was Friday at? Because,
Kevin Dixie had it.
New location this year. It wasn't out in
Saint. Louis. It was down in Atlanta. So,
you know, how how was Friday?
So Friday was the basic
business
development courses.
So
That 1 was
speakers from across the industry, we had,
Mike Bauer from Delta Defense.
And he was dealing with
sustainability
and
social media though,
the bulk of the the business building was
centered around social media.
We had...
We had Jared Yara from guns and gadgets
of
Youtube fame.
So social media there,
Beth A had a presentation about reading
reading the room and what how to read
the room and how to engage with the
leadership of the room.
Again, Mike Bauer was there from Delta Defense.
And
he had some good pretty pretty decent talking
points.
Ken Ross from
primary arms also gave a presentation during the
business,
business building of
creative marketing.
Since he's the marketing,
1 of the marketing big w for primary
arms. The zeke stout was also there again
from,
modern guns school
and
presenting that
that aspect of
his
his spit his his spiel that...
It it was the same spiel from last
year with a little bit of the different
twist
of, you know, not repeating it, but it
was the same it was the same 1
that you were there for. Mh.
And that was pretty much the
the business building aspect of the
of the of the conference.
Yeah. And the 1 thing I gotta say,
really kinda missed that Friday night, especially because
you get there, most of the time people
are traveling in,
starts.
Early in it or later in the afternoon,
and
you get to talk to these industry people
because train learn is about guns,
but it's not all about shooting them It's
it's a lot about networking.
And there were a lot of times there
that gives you the ability to go on
network with these people.
And to say, hey, this is what I'm
thinking.
This is what I'm doing.
And really kinda helps you,
You know, it's it's not a intense coaching
session, but you're there all 3 days, and
you can talk to them. You know, you
can... You you can sit around and just,
you know, bs with them.
But you really have the ability to pick
their minds as well as go along and
form some
friendships because just like, yourself and I.
You never know when you... When somebody... You
might wanna reach out to him them and
say, hey, what about this? You know, I
had this idea. I've got this going on.
And
everybody... I know...
Well, listeners know there were several people that
came back from train learn last year and
and brought on the podcast. To talk about
what what they were doing. So I thought
they had
great information to to share. And that's where,
you know, from a long term perspective, you
wanna be able to have a know, wide
network of different people that can help you
down the road. You know, from 111 thing
or the other?
You that's
that's exactly 1 of the the the points
that I wanted to make is
there is no other conference. That is, like
train and learn in that regards.
Friday night, when everybody was winding down at
the hotel
pretty much everybody that that traveled in and
was at the same hotel because the business
building part of the conference was at that
hotel.
So
after that after that particular conference, there is
no other conference.
Like train and learn, where
I was able to sit out on the
patio
with Jared Jar from guns and gadgets
and we were just shooting the breeze.
You know, just
it was just a,
you know,
getting to know him, him getting to know
me,
you know, the same with Kd,
you know, just sitting out there just just
talking about the weather or whatever. Mh.
There's no
there's no other conference where I would be
able to go and say,
hey, Jared,
You know, I'm such and such,
you know, what...
It's not because he's not nice and not
not pleasant or
polite enough to take the time to do
that. It's just... He... You don't have the
time to do that in these other conferences
where there's thousands of people in attendance. If
you go to conferences and like, it's, you
know, yeah nice Nice to meet you, but
I I've got a scheduled, you know,
talk that I gotta do. I gotta meet
these people, you know, for dinner. I gotta
do this... And
there's a lot of people, you know, to
come to those conferences and
if you get to know some of the
industry, people, you realize that those conferences are
a heck a lot of work for them
because they get there and Okay. I gotta
be here. I gotta show up there... I'm
gonna be closing a deal here. And
if you don't... They don't know you ahead
of time. It's hard to get... Much more
than just, you know, brief picture of nice
and handshake at.
Yeah. And at train and learn that is
completely the opposite. It because it is such
a more intimate environment,
because
Kevin Kevin limits it, you he he will
sell out the tickets.
There isn't even a hundred participants
in the past 2 years.
So
it does it does make that
networking.
It really drives the networking aspect of train
and learn home.
Mh. Because
like I said, there there is
no way on this earth that I would
be able to go up and talk to
Jared it a at even the Usc conference
that they
recently just shut down, but looking to rebuild.
But Mh.
I wouldn't be able to go up and
and shoot the breeze
like I was at train and learn,
Right. And that's and... Yeah, we said enough
about networking, a big big plus forward even
if you don't... It they don't shoot anything.
Yeah. It's still the networking great. Well, what...
How did... How did Saturday go?
That's more more
We're doing stuff. So tell us how that
went.
Saturday is the range day,
and,
we had pistol rifle,
Mike Martin,
did the, first aid
that he was talking about
on the podcast
before
train and learn that he was going to
be in...
He was going to be there in May.
And then
The other aspect that they had was
Nicholas
Davenport from brain range.
This was an interesting
interesting aspect.
He
he presented some things that I actually already
use in some of my drills
as drills for some of my classes.
It's ASII
forget... I forget what exactly it's called.
The target has
words,
so it spells out yellow,
but the color of the word yellow is,
red.
And then they give you the command of
c red and you would have to shoot
the target where the color is red.
It's a really interesting drill.
Like I said, I've used it already in
my classes. So I I was familiar with
the process that he was doing.
But,
he was he was definitely a an interesting
an interesting range
exercise and
aspect of that.
And then
we had the Ar, so Sean A and
Beth A did that.
And then the pistol was an introduction to
the Us usc defensive pistol program that they're
starting to push through. So that was quite
a...
An eye opening,
experience,
and that was presented by Jack Shepherd and
Carrie Dug.
Yep. They're they're part of the Dp.
Yeah. The counselor program. The training counselors for
the Dp. Yep. Mh.
How how do you like defensive a pistol
program.
They've come out really a little bit of
information what the qualifications is gonna be for
it. But
What do you think it's shooting exercises?
The shooting exercises were were drills that
that
they kinda go in line with the,
old
the old defensive pistol shooting
program that that we used to have,
the drills are
are meant to make you more
purposeful.
So
your shooting becomes more purposeful
with the drills that they're implementing.
It's not the...
It's still the intuitive
shooting, but
you're making every action.
To bert to learn the my culmination, the
the
the neuro my nation in the neuro pathways,
you're doing it more intently, more purposefully
so that
those pathways are built faster.
Is 1 of the the aspects that I
think they were trying to push across.
With
the Dp programs.
Mh. Yeah. It's
from what I've seen or heard, I should
say, it's a 14
modules, which allows you to
slice and dice it into what makes sense
for you. And they're into a 2 day
class or into you know, a couple evening
classes or, you know, even a full day
class but I'm picking and choosing.
I been through it and haven't seen anything
official, but that's
what I understand
right now about it. And that's
that that'll definitely, you know,
help out a lot of instructors that have
been looking for
those kind of
programs add to their classes they offer because
we know
lot of our students are busy with other
things that going on. And at the same
time,
you know, we wanna make sure they get
the skills.
In are purposeful about what they're doing too
because, you know, too many
too too many internet celebrities, I guess, I'll
put it that way
make it sound too easy, and you've gotta
make sure they get the proper mindset from
a being purposeful.
If they're gonna be, you know, concealed carry
holders. Can't you can't yeah you can't fly
off the handle for sure.
If you're gonna be caring.
1 of the other things is is that
it definitely will help build an academy
style
class
program.
The
the the modules that we were running through,
each each group ran through a different module,
but the modules that my group was running
through
we're building off of the the basis, the
basics.
So,
you know, we did a couple of drills
with the basics, and then they built up
off of that. Then they built up off
of that,
just increasing the difficulty
as we went along. And in 90 minutes,
session, we were
we were hitting stuff pretty tight
if
if you
weren't
of the caliber
of hitting things tight from the start,
The way that they were teaching and instructing
made it to the point where there was
definite improvement.
Well, that's good. That's
a good mark of a good good program.
That, you know, they can not just about
shooting. It's about getting better
because, you know, got shoot. It's whether or
not you're getting better with what you're doing,
you know, applying the fundamentals better.
That's good, was so how did saturday evening
end up
ask him because I know, you know, last
year. The saturday evening was the fireworks display,
and
Kevin having a new location. Was just wondering
what what kind of,
fireworks did they have or did they?
Actually, they didn't. Oh, okay. By the time...
By the time everything was wrapping up,
it was starting to rain
Oh, and
so
they didn't even do the night shoot.
So they they weren't going to bring the...
They weren't gonna bring the goggles and everything
out for the night shoot
because of the weather.
So, basically, we were just,
again, a, a networking
option or opportunity where we were sitting around
the and just shooting the breeze and,
you know,
I was talking to Kd
or higher I was talking to Jared
or I was talking to
Ken
or,
you know,
anybody that
That I had a notion to to go
and talk to at the time, you know,
is
so it was just ultimately
another
laid back networking session as far as Saturday
night goes
until we got to the hotel.
Mh. Yeah. Well, that's that's great to have
more because you can
catch up with the onesie you hadn't cut
caught up with them from Friday night and
also,
kind of expand things
you know, from those that you've already talked
to. So
well tell us
how'd things go once to get back to
the hotel in Sunday morning?
Sunday morning, we kinda had some issues if
you haven't.
Heard already.
I know Jared posted a video about it.
There were a couple of vehicles that got
broken into and we had some firearms stolen.
That's
pretty much the downer of the situation of
the entire weekend.
But
other than that,
everybody pretty much went back and went to
bed and
Yep. Well, those
unfortunately,
I mean,
and ways as instructors tell our students this
all the time. You never know
where it's gonna happen when it's gonna happen,
You know, criminals
shoots a time in place for it, and
that's where
you gotta gotta be prepared and unfortunately,
apparently, the criminals got a little bit of
the upper handing, stole some property, but at
least nobody was hurt, which you know, ultimately
is
is a good thing about it.
Yep. Nobody got hurt.
They...
Apparently only hit
trucks and Suvs.
So if you were in in a
sedan,
you're pretty much safe.
It was only the trucks and the Suvs
that got hit.
So
fortunately, the car that I rented was a
a sedan and
I
didn't get hit,
but
I know that, like I said, I know
that,
Jared put out a video about the situation,
there were several other
participants that did get hit that have put
stuff on their social media.
Chris L I was tactical Santa. He put
out some stuff,
there was
stuff that,
Clayton put out from
Pt,
I forget his
his training company off the top of my
head.
I know that he...
Posted some stuff about it.
So, yeah, It is it is 1 of
those things of,
I tried to...
I also try to push that through to
my students is.
I run Gray man on my vehicle. I
don't have
on my personal vehicle. I have no stickers.
I have no
identifying
Identifying labels that I may or may not
be carrying a firearm or there may be
1 stored in my car.
But
none of the none of the guys that
got... I didn't hit actually were...
Had any of those markings either. Yeah. So
it just makes it interesting.
Yep. Well,
Mike with, you know, a lot of things,
You,
what what the criminals clue in on? You
know, maybe, you know, and knew maybe some
people there
might have guns with in their trucks and
Suvs, maybe,
you know, who knows, but at the end
of the day, the criminals, do with criminals
do best, and that is,
you know, they
break the laws. Criminal things. And, you know,
they ruin people's days. So I'm sure a
whole lot of people
had to go find some cardboard or sold
you know,
to hang over their window so they could
drive home and
you know,
before they could get it repaired, and, you
know, that would that would really
put a sour note on the whole weekend.
Although at the same time,
you know, with everything else that's going on,
I... You know, if I'd sell anything thing,
it probably probably could been a lot worse.
Well, besides the car getting broken to what
what all happened on Sunday?
So Sunday is the
creation day.
Where
you're able to do
interview
and
speak with the
actual representatives
of the companies that we're sponsoring,
train and learn,
I know last year, Be wasn't actually there.
So
we had...
Amy, and
I think it was Luke
were the
sub
reps for Versa, but we actually had bur
reps there this year.
Tactical life was there again this year.
In primary arms. So and was there,
Patrick was there with Ammo, for anybody that
wanted to shoot anything from the range,
Justin from,
for
Phoenix
provided some ammo
for
the actual training, but he was not there,
this year also.
Man wasn't able to show up and z
had to leave early
for
his
kids graduation.
So he was only there for Friday,
but
ultimately, that was another aspect of...
Getting in there and kicking all of these
manufacturer representatives brains and mh. See what they've
got coming down the pike and
finding
finding the nuances of their particular product.
Yeah. 1 of the... What it allows you
to also find about their affiliate programs and
different things like that to, you know, again,
make those
connections because as
we've talked about on podcast before.
If you can make a living off of
this training,
good for you. But most of us is
out there doing training. We also realize that
we've got a lot of other expenses that
we're trying to cover too. And that's where
having affiliates, the ben will go along and
point your students to
quality,
merchandise places to go, and getting a, you
know, a referral fee for it.
It doesn't increase our cost, but it allows
allows you to go along and you know,
make make your classes just a little bit
better or go to, you know, train and
learn events and things like that. I know,
I make more money off my training. And
I do off my affiliates, but at the
same time, I wouldn't give up my affiliates
because I can I can still make some,
you know, decent money to, you know, got
dinner and do things like that every month?
Yeah. It's
I personally have not been able to get
my affiliate programs
up and running yet. I've I've kinda started
to make and
get steps to take that process, but
it hasn't taken off to the point of
even able to get me out to dinner
for for a weekend, but
I am I am looking at at
at running an affiliate program for several of
the
the sponsors from
from train and learn,
I do know that last year when I
was
talking to Ken about the vulcan site,
that
primary arms and Hollow sun
con joined in making and manufacturing
I actually have gone and bought that site.
But primary arms has actually developed their own
now.
That is
not in conjunction with Hollow sun.
So it's got that 630
Moa got around it. Mh. Yeah. The the
06:30 Moa
that is to help guide you into the
dot itself.
And that 1, actually, you can turn that
ci... You can turn that
06:30
Moa off.
So it's not always it's on. So once
you get to the point of Okay. Yes.
I'm finding the dot every time I present.
I don't need this anymore. You can turn
that off in the new in the new
model that they've got coming out. Mh.
Yeah. Save a little battery power with that.
So were there any specific vendors that you
wanna call out that you besides the 1
you talked about so far?
Actually, I called out pretty much all of
them that were there that Good.
Fridge was there also,
So Fridge was there
selling some of his
his custom job and and
guns smith ware.
Mh.
That's... No. Yeah. That's a that's a good
podcast if
anybody hasn't heard the fridge.
I would recommend you go back and find
him
because he's
he comes from not your typical gun background,
and then at same time he's
He's
gone. He's taken he's taken the customization to
a whole new level. So my hat off
to him and the customized work that he
does.
So
yeah, I think that's all the vendors that
were there.
You know, there... There's obviously the vendors that
that weren't there that are still sponsors,
walker,
crate, tactical,
so,
But again, they weren't they weren't
fully representative. They they didn't have any reps
that air to actually talk to for this
year.
So
while they did send stuff for the creative
ways.
Mh.
You weren't able to actually
speak to them about anything.
Yeah. I'm talking about the creative ways,
once you talk about that a little bit
give people an idea of,
what those are, because
Kevin keeps the price of the train and
learn. Very very reasonable.
You've got
plenty of vendors that are, you know, helping
to foot the bill to keep the cost
down. And then on top of the creative
ways are 1 of those that really
helps out or, you know, really really goes
along and can can put put you on
the map very nicely. So what once you
go along tell about those a little bit.
So the creative ways are usually given out
on Sunday.
And
through the course of the weekend,
so through Friday and Saturday and even through
Sunday.
Kevin has...
Kevin has his
little birds
tweeting into his ear of this particular person
is asking the right questions, and I think
that they should be getting in 1 of
the creative way
awards.
So at the end of Sunday,
Kevin goes through and
gives his farewell spiel of
you know,
we're here to
progress our own
business and invest in ourselves.
But in process of doing that,
these
sponsors
have
also invested need you.
So
these are the people that are going to
be given the creative ways.
And
if you have accepted the create way,
then you need to
produce content
about that create way.
Basically,
advertising the sponsor,
getting your name out there with with that
sponsor,
it's
it's ultimately a win win if if you
happen to pull a a creative way from
train and learn. Mh.
Yep. And
they give away some good credit ways. And
again, it's
your opportunity go along and
demonstrate to those vendors,
what you can create with their products. And
maybe lead to other things, maybe not, You
know, there's no guarantee, but at the same
time, it really,
Last year when I was there, they gave
away some guns, gave away some sites, gave
away some different things along those lines. And
So that was... And the stuff I gave
away, I would say almost
paid.
You know, it's worth the cost of admission
of the conference. Just to kinda go along
and put a little bit of a
idea in your head about how,
how much they, you know, put into into
it. So
that's
that's great to hear.
Yeah. Tactical life,
the big
the big giveaway was
an Pistol from tactical life,
and Anthony,
actually
designed
and assembled
the Ar pistol that they gave away this
year,
Brown ellis. Brown ellis is another sponsor that,
they didn't have any
representation this year, but
B
put up ACAR
upper,
the old
h u style with the carrie handle and
the
the triangle hand guard,
So
brown elves put that up for for the
creative away.
So, yeah, they they
they gave way of a good a good
share of of stuff that
that now all of these
these winners need to be creating content. So
I'm looking for that content to start dropping
here anytime.
Lots
that's very
interesting and just considering this was
train learn done over memorial day weekend.
I
would imagine
being July right now, that we probably should
be seeing
some of that if not already.
So search train learn 20 24, and I'm
sure you'll
you'll see some of the content
and
give some some kind of ideas for it.
Hey, Brian.
Great review of Train learn 20 24, but
we've been asking all our
season 7 guests,
what do you do for your mental health
every day?
Well,
as I already said, I've been... I was
ready for this.
I
I try to keep a routine as much
as I can in the morning,
the same thing.
Every day in the morning.
And then 1 of the things that I
do that,
not many people have ever mentioned
is that I journal.
Especially if I'm particularly having a
a rough day or a a bad day
or or something that is bringing me down,
I will journal
so that
when I end up having another bad day
or something similar, I can go back and
I say, okay.
This stretch of period of this period of
time and this this stretch of events,
this is something that I was going through,
and I've journal that, and then
I've journal the,
coming out of it or the recovery if
you will.
So
there's that record now for me, to be
able to go back and say,
this is just something like this. I can
get through this.
And
this is how I got through it the
last time.
So
that's
probably the biggest thing that I do for
my mental health.
Then I also...
I do have a counseling
session every week with a therapist. So
What's, yep. That's
very good. And thanks for sharing that Brian,
because
I go along tell people.
Nobody thinks twice about going to the gym
and having a personal trainer. So there's no
reason why shouldn't go along and,
potentially,
you know,
meet up with the, you know, somebody,
you know, whatever the title be, that will
help you in your mental health about it.
It's mental health is 1 of those that
everybody's been listening to in season 7.
But I really think
you know, really gotta take the stigma away
from it that mental health is you know,
just like physical health.
And some people, you know, go see a
doctor to have this fix with that fixed,
and we should be doing the same type
of thing if we feel that we're in
some kind some kind of crisis
to talk to somebody for our mental health
because it's they're both very important to
to stay healthy with.
Well, Brian, can you tell our listeners where
they can find more information about Peloton Academy
and
how to get get in touch with you?
No,
My socials are
Facebook,
Pal Academy.
I've got my website, which is Michigan
PALLC
dot com.
All the links actually to my socials are
on my website.
So
Twitter,
I've got a rumble account. I haven't put
any videos up,
but
I've got a rumble account and that... The
link for that is on my Facebook. But
everything is pretty much Pilot and Academy or
Pal inn Academy,
Llc,
or PAL
llc.
Okay. And I'll include some of those into
the show notes too, so you can...
People can find it that they wanna reach
out to you. If they're in
northern northern Indiana or Southern,
Michigan.
Yep.
Well, Brian, again, thank you for your time
today for
reviewing the train learn 20 24.
And, hopefully, the people listening, will be encouraged
to
sign up now because it will sell out
for train learn 20 25. Do you have
the dates for 20 25. By any chance?
It's gonna be... It's still gonna be memorial
day weekend. Okay. So
whatever whatever happens to fall that
Friday, Saturday, Sunday before Memorial day.
Okay. Well, I'll include that because, like I
said,
kinda keep it on my calendar
to hopefully make it, and
hopefully, See other people
there also
because it is a fun time, and
it's very much worth it.
Okay. Brian, have a good good evening, and
thanks again. Yep. Thanks, sir. As a wrap
for this episode, and I hope you found
the information from Brian.
Useful.
Sounds like I missed a good train and
learn event. But as we all have other
things we do besides it's firearm training. We
do have conflicts from time to time. So
hopefully I'll make it in 20 25.
You're searching for additional information. Wanna hear the
review from Cra and learn 20 23.
Go to farm trainer podcast dot com in
search upper parade hand corner there. Also had
kevin Dixie on before and several people from
train and learn.
Last year on different topics. So there's a
lot of good information that I got from...
Currently to learn 20 23,
Brian came back a lot of good information
for 20 24,
and hopefully we'll see you there in 20
25.
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