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Welcome season 7 episode 18, the farm trainer

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podcast published on 07/02/2024.

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Halfway through the year already. Time is flying.

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This episode will be talking about John Pet

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about how New Jersey permit system is Discriminating

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against,

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certain firearm owners.

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Today we're joined by. John Pet from bearing

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arms and Penn patriot.

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Welcome, John. Thanks for coming on the podcast

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again.

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Hi, Rob. Thank you for having me. I

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feel like it's been a very long time.

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It has been a very long time, and

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my apologies for not I have you on

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sooner, but I think today's topics it's kinda

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makes up for all that stuff because if

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people aren't just a little bit frustrated with

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our government after hearing,

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our or today's topic, I I don't know

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what we'll get your dan in an uproar

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to say the least because, this is some...

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This kind of stuff shouldn't be going on

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in in the in the 20 first century.

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Let's put it simply. But, hey, John. Before

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we jump into our topic of the day

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Why don't you give our listeners a little

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bit in your background.

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In case I missed the other episode that,

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that your

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episodes that you've been on this is not

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your... Your second time and you've been on

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several times support just not recently in the

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last year.

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Yeah. Hi. So I'm john Pet.

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A freelance

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writer

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and I cover second amendment issues, the writing

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thing and the second amendment advocacy and activism

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is kind of my side hustle, for my

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main occupation. I'm actually a merchant marine.

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And I started

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I started putting pen to paper with on

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second amendment issues back in

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20 15

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and started adding, you know, articles...

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You know, to my by line, and Ama

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land was so gracious to to pick me

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up way back then, and I I still

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write for them as well,

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and from, like, 20 15 to 20 20,

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I stayed the course, and I'd put out

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a couple of articles here and there.

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Know, whenever I had something to report on,

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nothing too too crazy.

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20 20 rolled around, I... Released a book

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called decoding firearms,

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and that's the subtitle that that is an

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easy to read guide on general

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gun safety and use, and it's a 1

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on 1 level, Mh. Guide book for people

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to to get into, that are new to

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firearms

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or,

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wanna brush up on firearms or perhaps want

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convey information to others on firearms. So it's

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you know, it's 266

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pages, and

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it's pretty... I'm not gonna say it's a,

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but it's,

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It's it's got a lot of information.

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Very very good book. You we had you

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on talking talking about that before and a

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lot of people that have purchased it.

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Because it's got... It covers

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all your all the modern firearms, which

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not everybody might own, and it gives a

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little bit background on what they are, so

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we understand what an Ar is and what

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a semi automatic is and those types of

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things.

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Absolutely. So look, a thank you. And 20

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20 is when things like really exploded. So

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when I was previously writing from 20 15

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to 20 20.

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credit, You know, I wasn't getting paid or

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anything like that. But 20 20, you know,

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Am and approached me and asked me to

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do some work for them. And

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this is, okay. They brought me on, and

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and, you know, now I'd be, you know,

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drawing a a check from them when, you

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know, I give them work.

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then by by the winner of 20 21

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early. So it was probably by March. To

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bearing arms had done the same and Cam

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edwards had asked me to come on over

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and, you know, start to you know, do

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we work there more officially

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instead of just for for a buy? Because

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I had started somebody work to him and

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here we are. Several several years later, and

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now I write primarily, I I put a

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lot of my work out. I'm, bearing arms

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and still at Ammo land, but I also

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will, you know, write for the truth about

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guns as well as

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shooting news weekly,

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and those are the sites that I freelance

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for.

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And then, I'll also do some work for

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news 2 a dot com. That's a website

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that everybody should check out. They're up and

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coming. They're just about just about over a

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year old now news 2 a dot com,

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and they they do a... I wanted to

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say a heavy focus on New Jersey, but

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they cover all issues across the country.

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And then I also... I'll send some work

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over to the armed lifestyle

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as well when I when I have time.

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So... That's kinda who I am and what

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I've been up to, and, you know, we're

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sitting here probably

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in the neighborhood of maybe 800 articles now

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under my belt.

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Since I've been serious about writing.

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So you've you you've grown out of the

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amateur phase. Now you're into the professional phase.

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That's great.

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Yeah. I guess so. And it's it's interesting

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because a lot of these...

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The stories here, they're all Chris Cross and

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they coincide.

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where, you know, I was really focused.

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that's the direction that I thought my writing

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was going. And now I I got sucked

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right into this litigation legislation stuff, you know,

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on an advocacy end, and the, I did

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actually manage to... I joined the, the national

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and the New Jersey society,

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a professional journalist, which, you know, all all

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you gotta do to join is send them

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a check. Right? No big deal.

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But what I was able to do was

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get credential in New Jersey. So I have

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my New Jersey press credentials, which is actually

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very important.

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Because you you can't sit in on, like,

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any of the governor's,

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you know, press events and if anything official,

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they wanna see you have press credentials

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claw a little bit to to get those,

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but I was able to get them and,

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you know, I It was a matter of

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finding work that wasn't biased,

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you know, to put out there to show

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the the society that I, you know, do...

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I am in fact, a journalist

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it's not all just opinion and fire and

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Brim stone, you know. And

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that's what brings us to today actually is,

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you know, work that is hard news, and

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it's journalism. I don't know if you wanted

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to segue into that or not, Rob? Yeah.

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go in we'll segment

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segue right into it because I think if

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our listeners longtime listeners,

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remember, we had a story about 18 months

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ago, on the,

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constitutional Carrie here in Ohio, and who it

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really benefited

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to try to, go on combat and let

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people know the constitutional carriers and as scary

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s the news media,

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likes to make it out to be or

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maybe more important label politicians like, like it

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out, It actually serves

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the lower income

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population because they're the ones that are

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highest risk, and at the same time the

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ones that have the

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least amount of money build to go along,

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get training or go along in practice, go

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along, do things like that. They've got a

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lot of other worries to have. And I

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was glad to be able to bring that

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story to everybody because I think it's important

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to realize that not everybody

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has a lot of disposable income and we've

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gotta be as far as firearms go, you

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know, the 2 a. Second amendment is for

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everybody. And, you know, whether you're low income,

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high income, middle income,

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we should all be able to do it.

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want to rally against the political

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wins they try to go along and make

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it difficult for people to practice their their

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they're rights for it. So with that segue

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John, Why don't you

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tell us what's going on New Jersey that's

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got my danger up on this story.

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Well, it's gonna be a cliff hanger because

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we have to turn back the clock to

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We had the New York State Rifle Pistol

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Association versus Brewing decision.

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talk about this Specifically in New Jersey. I

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think you had Tony on to talk about

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training and Carrie,

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Tony Simon.

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up until that point, there was no carry

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the,

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ability to get a permit in in the

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is just a little bit under 2 years

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August of 20 22.

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So this is all new. Mh.

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New Jersey, much like New York,

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California

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tried,

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Massachusetts is doing at California, I think is

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actively doing it as well.

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And a bunch of other areas, Maryland,

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oil, warn came forward with these B response

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laws. So

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now we're... You know, the lawmakers were trying

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to figure out ways to circumvent

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the the current laws to make it even

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more difficult

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on carriers. Right. So everybody's familiar with that.

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So that was going on, New Jersey had

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a hiss fit.

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And in the wake of all of these

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Hiss fits.

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You had you know, the New Jersey state

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police had

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saying, you know, they expected 200000

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permits, like, in the first, you know, couple

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months or whatever, and

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he was on the record saying that, you

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know, he reached out to all the jurisdictions

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saying to be a you know, vigilant for

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extra gun violence

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because now there's gonna be civilian carriers. And,

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of course, what do we,

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we find out we

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fast forward to this year,

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and

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a couple of weeks before

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march fourteenth date that I'm gonna give you

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here, the the governor governor Phil Murphy, which

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everybody keep your eyes open. This guy's gonna

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try to become president 1 day. You don't

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want them.

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Governor Murphy was loud how

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so called gun violence. I'm doing air quotes

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here,

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was lowest...

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Lowest that it's been in

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in a really long time, not just years

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like, almost like a day... Like, decades, the

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rate of gun violence

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has plummeted and

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you know, was talking about all these efforts.

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Well, what what do we know In the

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years that he was showing the drop in

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violence, which would have been,

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primarily was 20 23, but a little bit

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in 20 22.

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What what correlates with that was the civilian

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carriers

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so there's some irony there,

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and we know the truth behind all of

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that.

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Part of

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all of the b response initiatives

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was the attorney general put together something that's

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called the permit to carry dashboard. So

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on 03/14/2024,

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so this just going back a few months

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now

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is when they they put out this dashboard

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and the dashboard had all this data,

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and I don't know what they were thinking.

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I don't know why they put this dashboard

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out because all its done is serve

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journalists

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and citizen journalists

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in really beneficial ways because the information is

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that we're pulling out of there. It was

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very embarrassing for

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for the state,

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and so

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the first thing that

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is important to understand about the Jersey law

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is

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we still have a subjective standard on the

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books

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for you to get a permit to carry

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or a pistol purchasers permit,

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or a firearms Id card.

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And this clause in the law

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says that the issuing authority could hold the

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issuance to any person where the issuance would

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not be in the interest of the public

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health, safety or welfare

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because the person is found to be lacking

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the essential character

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of temperament

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necessary to be entrusted

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with a firearm, and that's 2 c 58

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dash 3C5

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That's pretty vague. I would say.

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Right. And I had somebody actually asked me,

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well, what does that mean? I'm like, well

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exactly, it's incredibly vague. So...

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This is not an objective def def standard.

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Right? So if we look at at the

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Brewing decision, it's very explicit. It says,

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that these permitting schemes, you know, if they

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are,

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you know,

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presumed to be

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constitutional

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they can only contain arrow

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objective and definite standards, you know, for the

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license official. So what is the... Narrow standard

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there. Well, there is no narrow standard with

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this public health safety welfare,

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standards of the the first bit of data

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that I uncovered was

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that

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the

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the majority, so more than half of the

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denials in the state. The which at the

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time when I first started looking into oldest

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this, it was, like, maybe 33000

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permits. I think now we're up to, like,

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35,

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But the data that was available back then

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in March,

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was a, you know, 33000.

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There was, like, a little over 200,

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and changed denials, which isn't that bad, but,

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you know, who's gonna apply for permit

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that isn't gonna be you know, qualified to

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get 1. You... Were supposed to already have

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a

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firearms Id card. So if you have a

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firearms Id card in theory,

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you should be good to go to get

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your permit to carry because the requirements pretty

407
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exactly. Yeah. Yeah. The requirements are exactly the

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same but the exception of getting, like, the

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the training and, you know, some of the

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extra permit carry stuff. Right? But stat,

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there's nothing really too crazy there.

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So we were finding that more than 50

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percent of the denials were under this public

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health safety welfare standard.

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What I did not find in that dashboard

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though was I couldn't find the breakdown

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on on the races, and a lot of

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other people couldn't find it either. So we

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were kind of scratching our heads here.

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So I put out what's called an open

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public records act request, which is basically

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freedom to of information act request for New

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Jersey.

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And I... You know, I addressed it to

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the attorney General's office

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Matthew Pla.

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And then they returned to me. It's kinda

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funny. They returned to me,

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instructions on how to access the data that

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I was looking for. And I, I'm gonna

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be honest with you, you know, I was

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in the dashboard. I find it hard to

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believe that I with wasn't able to navigate.

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I was in and added the whole thing.

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So

436
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I'm not saying they added the data, but

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it looks like they added the data after

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my request wasn't

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and I was able to look into

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the denials based, you know, based on race,

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which

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I think is a very important thing because

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in in New Jersey,

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if you're looking at the

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application,

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rates.

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And we're just gonna look at, you know,

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you know, black and white,

449
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not not everyone else because there's some

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outliers with the Latino

451
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population that I found kinda interesting. I gotta

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look into that more

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but with the black and white, if you

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look at the the rates of who's been

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applying. So the the black

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population,

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might be

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underrepresented in in New Jersey. So

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meaning

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that there's, like, an 11.6

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percent

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of all of the applications for permits, were

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were black applicants. Right?

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Where whereas the New Jersey black population is

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13.1

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percent. Right? Mh.

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Okay. So they're under underrepresented, but not by

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a lot. So this isn't telling you the

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story that

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the African American

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people don't want anything to do with firearms.

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That's actually

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in my opinion remarkable, and it's

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a statistical anomaly to the more anti side

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because

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that information probably

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scares the heck out of them because it's

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not the narrative that they preach or they've

479
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been preaching for years. Right? So right off

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the top, you know, you're getting this information

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here.

482
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But what do I find?

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When I start looking through

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the

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the the the denials, you've got

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more than double

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the the black

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population or the black applicants

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are being denied more than at a rate

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more than doubled than whites. So,

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like, that's crazy. Right? It's

492
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it's it's, like, 200 and somewhat odd percent.

493
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Let me see here. Since they're denied.

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I think it was actually... 2 and a

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half times is what I had found. Right?

496
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Okay. So then you have people say, well,

497
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if you look at the after an American

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community, there's more

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incarceration, there's more criminal history. And I'm like,

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yeah... Okay Fine. You know, when we could

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talk about that, freaking on another day in

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another place in another time about why that

503
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might be and what what the problems are

504
00:19:16,497 --> 00:19:17,451
there. Right?

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And that's also not gonna look good for

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00:19:19,845 --> 00:19:21,138
our government either

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in my opinion.

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But if you go when you look at...

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Just the denials that were the subjective

510
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standard. Right? The 2 c 58 dash 3C5I

511
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found

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the blacks to be denied

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2.3

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times more than whites.

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So

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this is, again, a police chief for, you

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know, issuing authority

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that's basically not giving somebody a permit

519
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it could be because they don't like them.

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Or whatever their reason is, they're saying it's

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a public health and safety risk

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And what I want the listeners to understand

523
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is there's been

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plenty of people

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that have currently or had or have

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firearms

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00:20:12,454 --> 00:20:13,751
identification cards, which

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00:20:14,288 --> 00:20:15,506
allows you to purchase

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00:20:15,883 --> 00:20:17,978
long guns in the state of New Jersey

530
00:20:18,768 --> 00:20:21,174
and people who had formerly gotten

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pistol purchase permits because you need a pistol

532
00:20:24,010 --> 00:20:26,496
purchase permit for every handgun

533
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:29,583
that you purchase. Right? So these are people

534
00:20:29,583 --> 00:20:31,407
that are gun owners that are trying to

535
00:20:31,407 --> 00:20:32,937
get their permits to carry

536
00:20:33,309 --> 00:20:35,633
that have valid firearms paperwork

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And now they're getting turned away

538
00:20:38,895 --> 00:20:42,011
under this subjective standard for a permit to

539
00:20:42,011 --> 00:20:44,182
carry. So it's, like, a lot of the

540
00:20:44,182 --> 00:20:45,799
same. You know, it's just

541
00:20:46,735 --> 00:20:49,688
these authorities trying to play the same games

542
00:20:49,688 --> 00:20:50,725
that were being played,

543
00:20:51,539 --> 00:20:53,776
free brewing, but now they're saying, you know,

544
00:20:54,335 --> 00:20:57,451
it's a public health safety welfare thing. Well,

545
00:20:57,611 --> 00:20:59,703
and the thing... That gets me.

546
00:21:00,822 --> 00:21:03,319
It's subjective, they're not pointing to somebody's

547
00:21:03,698 --> 00:21:05,376
conviction saying that, you know, you're a felony

548
00:21:05,376 --> 00:21:07,070
you can't be in possession you know, we

549
00:21:07,070 --> 00:21:08,750
can't give you 1 because you're, you know,

550
00:21:09,710 --> 00:21:11,150
you've you got domestic balance, any of the

551
00:21:11,150 --> 00:21:12,130
ones that normally

552
00:21:12,430 --> 00:21:12,930
preclude

553
00:21:13,230 --> 00:21:14,110
buyer purchasing.

554
00:21:14,843 --> 00:21:16,595
Which, of course, with the Ford card, they...

555
00:21:16,834 --> 00:21:18,666
You know, that would preclude them for that

556
00:21:18,666 --> 00:21:21,295
too. But but they've got firearms,

557
00:21:21,629 --> 00:21:24,104
they wanna legally carry them, and they're still

558
00:21:24,104 --> 00:21:26,579
being turned down. And the 1 thing as

559
00:21:26,579 --> 00:21:28,516
you're describing this that really

560
00:21:28,973 --> 00:21:30,331
just bog my mind,

561
00:21:31,063 --> 00:21:34,161
is anybody who's been watching the firearm industry,

562
00:21:34,399 --> 00:21:36,623
the training industry, you know, instructors out there.

563
00:21:36,781 --> 00:21:39,029
I'm sure are are gonna agree with this

564
00:21:39,338 --> 00:21:41,398
the 2 groups that we're seeing more of

565
00:21:41,398 --> 00:21:42,295
more interest

566
00:21:42,825 --> 00:21:43,959
in our minorities

567
00:21:44,489 --> 00:21:45,995
and women, females.

568
00:21:46,804 --> 00:21:49,202
So female minorities eat even more.

569
00:21:49,841 --> 00:21:51,200
And that's where, you know,

570
00:21:52,558 --> 00:21:53,677
part of the reason for that is is

571
00:21:53,677 --> 00:21:56,646
they realized they constitutional rights for it. And

572
00:21:56,646 --> 00:21:58,232
the need for them to build able take

573
00:21:58,232 --> 00:22:00,476
their own security in their own hands. And

574
00:22:00,769 --> 00:22:02,379
what you're describing to me is

575
00:22:03,306 --> 00:22:03,544
a...

576
00:22:04,194 --> 00:22:04,694
Bureaucracy

577
00:22:05,310 --> 00:22:08,182
that is, you know, putting people at at

578
00:22:08,182 --> 00:22:10,973
jeopardy because they wanna have these arbitrary, you

579
00:22:10,973 --> 00:22:12,808
know, we just don't like you versus pointing

580
00:22:12,808 --> 00:22:15,057
to something that's con create like you've been

581
00:22:15,057 --> 00:22:17,133
convicted of a felony for doing that, and

582
00:22:17,133 --> 00:22:17,452
that's

583
00:22:18,330 --> 00:22:19,927
very troubling in my mind.

584
00:22:20,805 --> 00:22:22,482
Well, and that's the thing. In New Jersey,

585
00:22:22,641 --> 00:22:24,887
it it's it... It's... It's a felony if

586
00:22:24,887 --> 00:22:26,103
you do get caught

587
00:22:26,955 --> 00:22:30,239
with unlawful possession of any firearms. So

588
00:22:30,949 --> 00:22:31,449
And

589
00:22:31,828 --> 00:22:33,985
people who are listening can correct me if

590
00:22:34,065 --> 00:22:36,542
I'm wrong, and and you do too, Rob.

591
00:22:37,261 --> 00:22:38,792
But, like, if you take a... 8, like

592
00:22:38,951 --> 00:22:40,860
California, and I know at least in the

593
00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:42,610
past, I don't know if it's still true

594
00:22:42,610 --> 00:22:42,849
today.

595
00:22:43,644 --> 00:22:46,761
But if you got caught with unlawful possession

596
00:22:46,761 --> 00:22:49,089
of a firearm because you were carrying 1

597
00:22:49,225 --> 00:22:50,576
concealed without a permit.

598
00:22:51,451 --> 00:22:55,284
In California, your first in fraction was... It's

599
00:22:55,284 --> 00:22:56,182
actually a mis.

600
00:22:57,035 --> 00:22:58,172
So it's almost like

601
00:22:58,627 --> 00:23:00,877
California throws you a mu again

602
00:23:01,189 --> 00:23:03,826
where it's, like, you've got your permit until

603
00:23:03,826 --> 00:23:05,663
you actually get caught, you know, if you

604
00:23:05,663 --> 00:23:08,140
think about it. I'm not suggesting people do

605
00:23:08,140 --> 00:23:08,300
that,

606
00:23:08,954 --> 00:23:11,905
I'm not advocating that you don't get a

607
00:23:11,905 --> 00:23:12,862
permit to carry.

608
00:23:14,059 --> 00:23:15,733
Laura am I saying that's the letter of

609
00:23:15,733 --> 00:23:17,728
the law what I'm saying is in New

610
00:23:17,887 --> 00:23:18,366
Jersey,

611
00:23:18,858 --> 00:23:21,422
you're looking at 3 to 5 minimum mandatory

612
00:23:22,271 --> 00:23:25,866
on any gun charge, which it's completely draco

613
00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:27,032
and over the top.

614
00:23:27,604 --> 00:23:29,833
And then who's this going to affect the

615
00:23:29,833 --> 00:23:30,333
most

616
00:23:31,106 --> 00:23:32,880
in in our society

617
00:23:33,256 --> 00:23:34,689
of people that are...

618
00:23:36,056 --> 00:23:38,198
Unable to or haven't gotten permits.

619
00:23:38,992 --> 00:23:40,817
These are gonna be the same folks that

620
00:23:40,817 --> 00:23:42,586
aren't gonna be able to afford

621
00:23:43,611 --> 00:23:44,508
proper legal

622
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:46,337
representation. So

623
00:23:47,507 --> 00:23:49,121
is that gonna be our minority

624
00:23:49,813 --> 00:23:52,297
population? Maybe maybe not, know, we'd have to

625
00:23:52,297 --> 00:23:54,133
look at all the soc economics.

626
00:23:54,611 --> 00:23:56,926
But the way it usually points is these

627
00:23:56,926 --> 00:23:59,001
are neighborhoods and these are communities,

628
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,344
you that are definitely

629
00:24:02,274 --> 00:24:04,657
not being taken care of, which I would

630
00:24:04,657 --> 00:24:07,119
say by society, You know, yeah. I don't

631
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,969
think New jersey, he's done

632
00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:11,916
our back black population any favors going back

633
00:24:11,916 --> 00:24:12,715
to the sixties.

634
00:24:14,154 --> 00:24:16,231
And and, you know, if people wanna challenge

635
00:24:16,231 --> 00:24:17,930
me on that fine, but

636
00:24:18,959 --> 00:24:21,425
you know, there's a long history here going

637
00:24:21,425 --> 00:24:23,198
back with our firearms paperwork

638
00:24:23,891 --> 00:24:24,391
that

639
00:24:25,658 --> 00:24:26,557
in every

640
00:24:27,253 --> 00:24:29,167
jurisdiction that had to do it keeping. I'm

641
00:24:29,167 --> 00:24:31,422
doing quotes again here, those people

642
00:24:31,959 --> 00:24:34,830
from having firearms, and that's no different today.

643
00:24:37,005 --> 00:24:38,365
And 1 of the things that, you know,

644
00:24:38,605 --> 00:24:40,765
you kinda struck a cord talking about how,

645
00:24:40,924 --> 00:24:43,244
you know, these are the subjective standards that

646
00:24:43,244 --> 00:24:45,175
we don't know and It's not like it's

647
00:24:45,175 --> 00:24:47,483
a domestic abuser. It's, you know, it it

648
00:24:47,483 --> 00:24:50,826
is really bad. And there's 1 case, and,

649
00:24:51,303 --> 00:24:53,531
I'm I'm going to report on it eventually.

650
00:24:54,103 --> 00:24:56,088
I just haven't yet. I'm just waiting,

651
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,534
a suitable time for the individual, but there's

652
00:25:00,534 --> 00:25:02,519
a fellow. He's a Latino guy.

653
00:25:04,206 --> 00:25:06,758
And he applied for his permit to carry.

654
00:25:06,918 --> 00:25:08,274
And this is a guy that was a...

655
00:25:08,513 --> 00:25:09,391
He's the got owner.

656
00:25:10,028 --> 00:25:12,740
Owns guns has firearms Id card,

657
00:25:13,712 --> 00:25:16,185
for all intents and purposes, this is a,

658
00:25:16,345 --> 00:25:18,121
you know, a law abiding citizen.

659
00:25:19,056 --> 00:25:21,210
And when he applied for his permit to

660
00:25:21,210 --> 00:25:22,646
carry, they denied him,

661
00:25:23,457 --> 00:25:26,320
because he had a bad driving record. Now

662
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,968
there was nothing on his driving record

663
00:25:29,422 --> 00:25:31,195
that was criminal or

664
00:25:31,903 --> 00:25:35,331
overly reckless, but he had a bad driving

665
00:25:35,331 --> 00:25:37,404
record. There was... But there was nothing there

666
00:25:37,404 --> 00:25:38,759
that was, like I said, it was all

667
00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:39,636
civil penalties.

668
00:25:40,289 --> 00:25:41,403
And they denied him.

669
00:25:42,596 --> 00:25:44,665
And then when he applied a second time

670
00:25:44,665 --> 00:25:45,858
for his permits to carry,

671
00:25:48,099 --> 00:25:50,400
with a little bit of legal help, and

672
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,535
now wasn't

673
00:25:51,987 --> 00:25:53,415
representation that I would have brought to the

674
00:25:53,415 --> 00:25:55,160
table, but that's neither here and nor there.

675
00:25:56,208 --> 00:25:58,782
He still got denied, and this is after,

676
00:25:59,558 --> 00:26:00,936
you know, alleged

677
00:26:01,393 --> 00:26:03,865
conversations happened with the chief of police or

678
00:26:03,865 --> 00:26:06,771
whatever, and then he also challenged the officer

679
00:26:06,906 --> 00:26:07,486
that was

680
00:26:07,859 --> 00:26:10,240
trying to issue the... Or not issued the

681
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,860
paperwork? I guess we should say and saying,

682
00:26:13,098 --> 00:26:14,707
where does it say that I need to

683
00:26:14,707 --> 00:26:16,644
have a clean driving record,

684
00:26:17,182 --> 00:26:19,177
you know, to get a permit to carry.

685
00:26:19,337 --> 00:26:21,252
And the guy, I've got the emails. So

686
00:26:21,252 --> 00:26:22,471
this is gonna be really

687
00:26:22,864 --> 00:26:24,960
embarrassing for this police department

688
00:26:25,337 --> 00:26:27,732
when I published this article because I've got

689
00:26:27,732 --> 00:26:28,210
all of it.

690
00:26:29,248 --> 00:26:31,498
The guy was telling this guy that he

691
00:26:31,498 --> 00:26:33,975
needs to get his record, his driving record

692
00:26:33,975 --> 00:26:34,795
ex ex

693
00:26:35,653 --> 00:26:37,571
before he would issue him a permit to

694
00:26:37,571 --> 00:26:38,071
carry

695
00:26:38,784 --> 00:26:41,181
And if you know that the guy has

696
00:26:41,181 --> 00:26:42,779
the bed driving record,

697
00:26:43,658 --> 00:26:45,517
does it matter if it's ex

698
00:26:45,895 --> 00:26:47,903
or not you you know what I'm saying

699
00:26:47,903 --> 00:26:48,959
if it's not a

700
00:26:49,653 --> 00:26:50,368
like, who cares.

701
00:26:50,925 --> 00:26:52,914
You still know that he has the bad

702
00:26:52,914 --> 00:26:55,394
driving record, So if it's a public health

703
00:26:55,394 --> 00:26:57,644
safety welfare standard issue

704
00:26:58,337 --> 00:27:00,404
without an ex experiment, what makes it not

705
00:27:00,404 --> 00:27:01,540
1 with an ex.

706
00:27:02,248 --> 00:27:04,554
If to know. Right? And I'm just thinking

707
00:27:04,554 --> 00:27:07,415
of man punch isn't like going down, you

708
00:27:07,415 --> 00:27:09,324
know, the courthouse and paying a, you know,

709
00:27:09,562 --> 00:27:11,095
10 dollar fee to have somebody

710
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,942
you know, wipe out your record. I mean,

711
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:15,314
there's legal,

712
00:27:15,685 --> 00:27:16,874
you know, fees that you're gonna have to

713
00:27:16,874 --> 00:27:18,618
be paying. You know, I would think at

714
00:27:18,618 --> 00:27:20,708
least a thousand if not a couple thousand

715
00:27:20,708 --> 00:27:23,025
to have your records sponge, which then again,

716
00:27:23,504 --> 00:27:25,283
as I was saying before, it just

717
00:27:25,662 --> 00:27:27,520
racks up the bill for these

718
00:27:28,072 --> 00:27:28,572
vulnerable

719
00:27:29,104 --> 00:27:29,422
populations,

720
00:27:30,137 --> 00:27:32,202
you know, why... You know, how they can't

721
00:27:32,202 --> 00:27:34,426
get, you know, or how they can't exercise

722
00:27:34,426 --> 00:27:35,617
their constitutional rights.

723
00:27:36,429 --> 00:27:38,429
Properly, and, you know, they're not pre preclude

724
00:27:38,429 --> 00:27:40,829
by any other law besides somebody going along

725
00:27:40,829 --> 00:27:43,069
saying, I don't I don't like, you know,

726
00:27:43,230 --> 00:27:45,480
your driving record. I don't like how you

727
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,916
look. I don't like, you know, all these

728
00:27:46,916 --> 00:27:47,953
things that if it was...

729
00:27:49,071 --> 00:27:50,587
If they were doing it for any other

730
00:27:50,587 --> 00:27:50,826
reason,

731
00:27:51,959 --> 00:27:53,954
They'll probably be... They'll probably be protest in

732
00:27:53,954 --> 00:27:56,131
the streets. But since it's still carry.

733
00:27:56,509 --> 00:27:57,787
You know, if they went along and said

734
00:27:57,787 --> 00:27:59,463
somebody had a bad driving record, and you

735
00:27:59,463 --> 00:27:59,623
couldn't,

736
00:28:00,421 --> 00:28:00,660
you know,

737
00:28:01,313 --> 00:28:03,219
you couldn't go to school. You, you know,

738
00:28:03,378 --> 00:28:05,046
something like that, You know, people but, like,

739
00:28:05,125 --> 00:28:07,190
how does how do those do 2 things

740
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:09,414
relate or going along and saying, you know,

741
00:28:09,652 --> 00:28:11,814
you can't go... You can't drive here because

742
00:28:11,814 --> 00:28:13,007
you've got a bad record. And it's like,

743
00:28:13,166 --> 00:28:14,996
wait a minute I paid my fine. I've

744
00:28:14,996 --> 00:28:17,065
got my driver's license. There's no reason to

745
00:28:17,065 --> 00:28:18,974
preclude me from driving on any public street

746
00:28:19,133 --> 00:28:20,894
I want to. Same thing when it comes

747
00:28:20,894 --> 00:28:23,271
to exercising your second amendment rights to be

748
00:28:23,271 --> 00:28:25,490
able to go along and, you know, be

749
00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:26,519
able to protect yourself.

750
00:28:27,646 --> 00:28:30,428
Oh, yeah. And this next thing that I'm

751
00:28:30,428 --> 00:28:32,654
gonna say, it doesn't... With... We're gonna say,

752
00:28:32,733 --> 00:28:34,585
it doesn't matter. Right? So

753
00:28:35,294 --> 00:28:37,527
you and I, and I'm not gonna put

754
00:28:37,527 --> 00:28:39,202
words in your mouth, but I'm gonna take

755
00:28:39,202 --> 00:28:40,398
a stab at it. Okay?

756
00:28:41,196 --> 00:28:43,509
And I'm gonna put you in the same

757
00:28:43,509 --> 00:28:44,705
cloth that I'm on.

758
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,016
And if somebody came to you for training

759
00:28:48,235 --> 00:28:50,951
for a concealed carry permit or whatever,

760
00:28:52,801 --> 00:28:55,349
I'm gonna guess that you don't care why

761
00:28:55,349 --> 00:28:57,044
they want a permit to carry

762
00:28:57,739 --> 00:29:00,606
on a... I'm not gonna train you level.

763
00:29:01,098 --> 00:29:03,801
Right? You. Somebody wants to defend themselves.

764
00:29:05,311 --> 00:29:07,242
Unless there's something that's, like, blatantly

765
00:29:07,617 --> 00:29:08,491
off, like,

766
00:29:09,143 --> 00:29:10,973
you wanna get your permit to carry.

767
00:29:11,848 --> 00:29:14,076
I think that's awesome. Let's help you... You

768
00:29:14,076 --> 00:29:15,986
know, let's help you make that happen. Right?

769
00:29:16,478 --> 00:29:16,557
Yeah.

770
00:29:17,825 --> 00:29:19,173
Unless you get... Unless you give me a

771
00:29:19,173 --> 00:29:20,997
reason to go along and say, hey, you

772
00:29:20,997 --> 00:29:22,106
know, as soon as I get my permit,

773
00:29:22,265 --> 00:29:24,421
I'm gonna go along and, you know, get

774
00:29:24,421 --> 00:29:26,008
even with this person, which is like, no.

775
00:29:26,167 --> 00:29:27,675
That's not what to can concealed carry permits

776
00:29:27,675 --> 00:29:27,992
for.

777
00:29:28,865 --> 00:29:31,325
You know, though that's, you know, really my

778
00:29:31,325 --> 00:29:33,563
exception. You know, I don't care what gender

779
00:29:33,563 --> 00:29:35,707
you are, Don't care you what race you

780
00:29:35,707 --> 00:29:38,487
are. I don't care what religion. You you

781
00:29:38,487 --> 00:29:38,805
believe in.

782
00:29:39,758 --> 00:29:41,922
Just as long as you're a good outstanding

783
00:29:41,922 --> 00:29:44,075
citizen wanna be able to exercise or second

784
00:29:44,075 --> 00:29:46,388
it rights. That's not my criteria.

785
00:29:47,026 --> 00:29:50,137
So the guy, the reason why he wanted

786
00:29:50,137 --> 00:29:53,025
his permit carry. And again, it doesn't matter.

787
00:29:53,743 --> 00:29:56,297
It doesn't matter it never mattered mattered and

788
00:29:56,297 --> 00:29:59,091
then post brewing. It certainly doesn't matter why.

789
00:29:59,664 --> 00:30:01,975
But the reason he wanted his permit to

790
00:30:01,975 --> 00:30:02,475
carry

791
00:30:02,932 --> 00:30:05,721
was for for work purposes because he was

792
00:30:05,721 --> 00:30:06,938
working for a company

793
00:30:07,569 --> 00:30:09,482
with with an armored car, and he was

794
00:30:09,482 --> 00:30:11,954
a guard. He was he was being held

795
00:30:11,954 --> 00:30:14,527
back from being able to get a a

796
00:30:14,585 --> 00:30:15,621
promotion at his job.

797
00:30:16,355 --> 00:30:19,075
As as an armed security guard in this

798
00:30:19,075 --> 00:30:20,994
armored car. No whether or not he was

799
00:30:20,994 --> 00:30:22,595
driving. I don't know No. I don't... I

800
00:30:22,595 --> 00:30:25,318
doubt he'd be driving because his drafting record

801
00:30:25,318 --> 00:30:28,574
was pretty bad. But, you know, still, this

802
00:30:28,574 --> 00:30:31,512
was an individual that was seeking employment, and

803
00:30:31,512 --> 00:30:33,826
that's why he wanted his permit to carry.

804
00:30:34,302 --> 00:30:34,802
And,

805
00:30:35,332 --> 00:30:37,418
you know, I just think it's crazy

806
00:30:38,186 --> 00:30:40,423
that he went through all this Now he

807
00:30:40,423 --> 00:30:43,045
he did say he was able to eventually

808
00:30:43,045 --> 00:30:44,021
get his permit

809
00:30:44,395 --> 00:30:46,064
through a state police barracks.

810
00:30:47,434 --> 00:30:49,674
And he said he's probably gonna be able

811
00:30:49,674 --> 00:30:50,575
to get his

812
00:30:51,515 --> 00:30:54,154
non restricted permit because he got a restricted

813
00:30:54,154 --> 00:30:55,515
permit for work only.

814
00:30:56,567 --> 00:30:58,079
He should be able to get a non

815
00:30:58,079 --> 00:31:00,149
restricted permit in a couple of months or

816
00:31:00,149 --> 00:31:00,547
whatever.

817
00:31:01,025 --> 00:31:02,241
So we're not really

818
00:31:02,617 --> 00:31:03,595
gonna jeopardize

819
00:31:03,971 --> 00:31:06,617
that process from the guy. Okay. As long

820
00:31:06,617 --> 00:31:08,770
as the driving... Alright. I'm sure right.

821
00:31:09,727 --> 00:31:11,800
You. Can't eat any can't get any Jay

822
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,450
walking tickets because I would definitely

823
00:31:13,807 --> 00:31:16,588
exactly. That he's a, public safety hazard, you

824
00:31:16,588 --> 00:31:19,210
know, Jay walker. What when the details of

825
00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:22,204
the story do finally break out though, it's

826
00:31:22,324 --> 00:31:24,562
gonna be like egg on their face big

827
00:31:24,562 --> 00:31:25,861
time. So

828
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,478
some of the other things that I uncovered

829
00:31:28,478 --> 00:31:31,375
here. So we've got that subjective standard

830
00:31:32,009 --> 00:31:34,073
then we've got the black denial rate, and

831
00:31:34,073 --> 00:31:36,717
then part of that black denial re is

832
00:31:37,170 --> 00:31:37,670
also

833
00:31:38,361 --> 00:31:40,664
subjective. Right? And it's doubled that of whites.

834
00:31:42,029 --> 00:31:44,811
Excessive wait times was another thing that I

835
00:31:44,811 --> 00:31:45,311
uncovered

836
00:31:45,845 --> 00:31:47,911
on this dashboard where you had

837
00:31:49,199 --> 00:31:50,635
And this 1, I had to put in

838
00:31:50,635 --> 00:31:53,269
a, an, Oprah to get the data, so

839
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:55,343
they sent me the data. The attorney General's

840
00:31:55,343 --> 00:31:57,591
office did make good on it. They sent

841
00:31:57,591 --> 00:31:59,502
me the information. So I could... And it's

842
00:31:59,502 --> 00:32:01,254
out there. I share it. You could look

843
00:32:01,254 --> 00:32:03,882
at the data yourself and if you hunt

844
00:32:03,882 --> 00:32:06,205
down these articles, you know, I've got it

845
00:32:06,205 --> 00:32:08,032
on a on a Google drive so you

846
00:32:08,032 --> 00:32:09,621
can go and look at this stuff. I

847
00:32:09,621 --> 00:32:12,162
share it all with everyone. Right? So Mh.

848
00:32:12,957 --> 00:32:14,704
There's no smoke and mirrors here.

849
00:32:16,233 --> 00:32:17,293
A pre brewing

850
00:32:17,751 --> 00:32:20,148
wait time. So now this dashboard only goes

851
00:32:20,148 --> 00:32:21,506
back to like, 20 19.

852
00:32:22,638 --> 00:32:24,467
When granted that it's whatever data they had

853
00:32:24,467 --> 00:32:25,182
available. Right?

854
00:32:26,375 --> 00:32:28,759
Then when the attorney general said he wants

855
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:30,906
people to collect this data than they had

856
00:32:30,906 --> 00:32:31,303
to. Right?

857
00:32:32,593 --> 00:32:34,509
But a pre brew impairment, there was a

858
00:32:34,509 --> 00:32:37,403
guy that waited over a thousand days

859
00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:40,436
to get issued as permit. So

860
00:32:40,749 --> 00:32:42,664
Not only was it, like he applied in

861
00:32:42,664 --> 00:32:43,541
20 19.

862
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:46,413
It wasn't until something like 6 or 9

863
00:32:46,413 --> 00:32:49,693
months after the Ruined decision that they actually

864
00:32:49,693 --> 00:32:50,568
issued his permit.

865
00:32:51,921 --> 00:32:54,068
So that that wasn't really that long was

866
00:32:54,068 --> 00:32:54,148
it?

867
00:32:55,038 --> 00:32:56,072
Yeah. Right.

868
00:32:56,867 --> 00:32:59,252
Over a thousand taste. Diesel pete's.

869
00:32:59,968 --> 00:33:02,275
Yep. And so the pandemic was about a

870
00:33:02,275 --> 00:33:02,831
thousand days.

871
00:33:03,723 --> 00:33:05,958
Exactly it's just at that that is

872
00:33:06,836 --> 00:33:07,714
Yeah. Unbelievable.

873
00:33:08,273 --> 00:33:09,950
I know in Ohio. We get worked up

874
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:11,945
when it gets anywhere close to 45 days.

875
00:33:12,679 --> 00:33:13,960
For it and to go a thousand days.

876
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:14,759
That's just

877
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:16,839
that's that's

878
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:18,599
insanity.

879
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:21,319
And it takes and takes bureaucracy that longer.

880
00:33:21,653 --> 00:33:22,843
To go along and and,

881
00:33:23,637 --> 00:33:25,540
allow you to exercise your customers. Right? Do

882
00:33:25,540 --> 00:33:28,634
the right thing. Right? Mh. And the post

883
00:33:28,634 --> 00:33:29,610
brewing permit

884
00:33:29,918 --> 00:33:33,019
the winning weight was around 500 days.

885
00:33:33,814 --> 00:33:36,518
So this is after the brilliant decision, and

886
00:33:36,518 --> 00:33:39,062
even says, you know, excessive weights are un

887
00:33:39,062 --> 00:33:39,434
unconscious

888
00:33:39,872 --> 00:33:40,190
institutional,

889
00:33:41,463 --> 00:33:43,134
500 days for this guy.

890
00:33:43,930 --> 00:33:45,839
And and and there's a statue in New

891
00:33:45,998 --> 00:33:46,476
Jersey,

892
00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:49,289
where... And it's a wee word. And and

893
00:33:49,289 --> 00:33:50,889
the the reason that I say that is

894
00:33:50,889 --> 00:33:51,389
because

895
00:33:51,690 --> 00:33:53,690
it says that there's a hundred and 20

896
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:54,190
day

897
00:33:55,462 --> 00:33:57,055
limit to issue the permit,

898
00:33:58,090 --> 00:34:00,103
but that's a hundred and 20 days

899
00:34:00,479 --> 00:34:03,367
after the issuing authority declares

900
00:34:03,678 --> 00:34:04,178
the

901
00:34:04,711 --> 00:34:05,665
application complete.

902
00:34:06,937 --> 00:34:08,765
So if it's just sitting on the desk

903
00:34:08,765 --> 00:34:10,593
and the, you know, it's now it's in

904
00:34:10,593 --> 00:34:12,994
the computers. It's in the ether, but you

905
00:34:12,994 --> 00:34:15,542
know, we'll just say here, it's sitting on

906
00:34:15,542 --> 00:34:18,012
his desk. He can claim it's not complete

907
00:34:18,012 --> 00:34:20,640
or whatever for as long as he wants.

908
00:34:20,799 --> 00:34:22,409
Because if you don't look at at. You

909
00:34:22,409 --> 00:34:24,010
can't declare it complete. Right?

910
00:34:24,969 --> 00:34:26,650
So it kinda gets them off the hook

911
00:34:26,650 --> 00:34:27,389
and indefinitely,

912
00:34:28,409 --> 00:34:28,809
you know,

913
00:34:29,463 --> 00:34:31,689
But let's say, a hundred and 20 days

914
00:34:31,689 --> 00:34:33,994
is something we're gonna stick to. Right?

915
00:34:35,823 --> 00:34:38,151
About 10 percent of the

916
00:34:38,938 --> 00:34:39,676
the permit

917
00:34:40,288 --> 00:34:40,788
applications

918
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,203
were a hundred and 20 days or over

919
00:34:45,927 --> 00:34:47,516
for issuance or denial.

920
00:34:48,484 --> 00:34:50,812
And then about 10 percent of the permit

921
00:34:51,663 --> 00:34:52,640
decisions were

922
00:34:53,411 --> 00:34:55,001
0 to 9 days,

923
00:34:56,209 --> 00:34:58,926
And then I'd say the average wait time

924
00:34:58,926 --> 00:35:00,624
was somewhere around 50

925
00:35:01,003 --> 00:35:03,480
something days, like, 54 days, I think.

926
00:35:04,214 --> 00:35:04,933
Was the average,

927
00:35:05,892 --> 00:35:07,830
which even been 50 days

928
00:35:08,369 --> 00:35:11,165
in my opinion is way excessive.

929
00:35:12,455 --> 00:35:15,022
The reason why I put... Picked the 0

930
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:16,294
to 9 days

931
00:35:17,304 --> 00:35:19,769
for that range when I was looking at

932
00:35:19,769 --> 00:35:21,255
the ranges to kinda

933
00:35:21,613 --> 00:35:22,113
compartment

934
00:35:22,810 --> 00:35:24,108
these time frames

935
00:35:24,565 --> 00:35:26,580
was because I felt that

936
00:35:27,436 --> 00:35:29,988
a 9 day wait to get your permit

937
00:35:29,988 --> 00:35:30,727
to carry

938
00:35:31,438 --> 00:35:34,138
is about as much as I think anyone

939
00:35:34,138 --> 00:35:36,043
should have to endure. Now I think it

940
00:35:36,043 --> 00:35:38,347
should be instant. It's an instant system. There's

941
00:35:38,347 --> 00:35:39,085
no reason

942
00:35:39,393 --> 00:35:42,811
It's all computers. Nobody Nobody's got set dare

943
00:35:42,811 --> 00:35:44,639
to go through the record Right. To go

944
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:46,467
alone and find something. It's all been computerized.

945
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:47,759
Yep. So...

946
00:35:48,717 --> 00:35:51,275
But if we're gonna just play politics here,

947
00:35:51,994 --> 00:35:53,912
I... You know, if you told me that

948
00:35:53,912 --> 00:35:56,070
9 days is the most anyone's gonna have

949
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:57,834
to wait. I mean, I think that would

950
00:35:57,834 --> 00:36:00,135
keep us sat for a couple of decades.

951
00:36:00,611 --> 00:36:01,325
Yeah. You know,

952
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:04,681
before challenging something like that. But

953
00:36:05,228 --> 00:36:08,563
It's the 50 days, the hundred and 20

954
00:36:08,563 --> 00:36:10,151
days. You know, when I applied,

955
00:36:11,342 --> 00:36:12,239
I applied

956
00:36:13,344 --> 00:36:15,018
I think it was in September,

957
00:36:15,577 --> 00:36:17,672
and I didn't get issued until January,

958
00:36:20,123 --> 00:36:22,197
and and the real kicker to all of

959
00:36:22,197 --> 00:36:22,697
this

960
00:36:23,407 --> 00:36:25,317
and this is something that I haven't really

961
00:36:25,317 --> 00:36:27,248
publicly spoke about, but

962
00:36:28,180 --> 00:36:29,396
1 of the judges

963
00:36:30,264 --> 00:36:32,418
the judge that was supposed to be issuing

964
00:36:32,418 --> 00:36:34,972
my permit to carry when it was in

965
00:36:34,972 --> 00:36:35,472
their

966
00:36:36,727 --> 00:36:40,268
their possession, because the the permit judges changed

967
00:36:41,121 --> 00:36:43,509
few times in my county where I live.

968
00:36:43,668 --> 00:36:44,168
They

969
00:36:44,861 --> 00:36:46,953
cycled them out a couple times

970
00:36:47,264 --> 00:36:49,811
judges aren't involved anymore, So this was, like,

971
00:36:49,890 --> 00:36:50,629
the old

972
00:36:51,721 --> 00:36:52,221
system

973
00:36:52,676 --> 00:36:54,666
in the in the in the brewing response,

974
00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:56,986
you know, bill that got passed,

975
00:36:57,860 --> 00:37:00,322
judges aren't involved anymore, So it's great, and

976
00:37:00,322 --> 00:37:02,467
it's computerized so it's even better. Right?

977
00:37:03,833 --> 00:37:04,333
But

978
00:37:04,708 --> 00:37:07,096
the judge that was supposed to be issuing

979
00:37:07,096 --> 00:37:08,233
me my permit

980
00:37:09,086 --> 00:37:09,586
actually

981
00:37:09,961 --> 00:37:10,677
emailed me,

982
00:37:11,809 --> 00:37:15,664
asking me about doing permit to carry training

983
00:37:16,363 --> 00:37:18,301
for them and their spouse

984
00:37:19,411 --> 00:37:21,084
because they got my name off of 1

985
00:37:21,084 --> 00:37:22,756
of the websites. It's and it's... Of course,

986
00:37:22,916 --> 00:37:25,145
it's in the same county that they're in,

987
00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:26,658
and...

988
00:37:27,948 --> 00:37:30,500
You know, it never went anywhere, and I

989
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:33,232
don't think it went anywhere because the judge

990
00:37:33,609 --> 00:37:34,907
found out the legislative

991
00:37:35,363 --> 00:37:36,501
intent was that

992
00:37:36,813 --> 00:37:39,047
judges weren't can even I think need to

993
00:37:39,047 --> 00:37:40,961
get permits, I think. I don't think they

994
00:37:40,961 --> 00:37:41,838
had to do training.

995
00:37:42,636 --> 00:37:44,231
I don't think they need permits to carry.

996
00:37:44,471 --> 00:37:46,305
I think they wrote themselves out of the

997
00:37:46,305 --> 00:37:47,194
law. Completely.

998
00:37:47,828 --> 00:37:50,049
But, yeah, that's the goal that we're dealing

999
00:37:50,049 --> 00:37:51,898
with in New Jersey is this

1000
00:37:52,429 --> 00:37:54,333
the judge that. And and then that judge

1001
00:37:54,333 --> 00:37:56,739
ended up not even issuing me my permit.

1002
00:37:57,378 --> 00:37:59,393
The judge changed. So

1003
00:38:00,569 --> 00:38:03,296
it was from September and till... Like I

1004
00:38:03,296 --> 00:38:06,244
said, January. Right around shot show. And it

1005
00:38:06,244 --> 00:38:08,258
was right before shot show

1006
00:38:09,511 --> 00:38:09,965
or

1007
00:38:10,325 --> 00:38:12,325
during shot show, It might have been during

1008
00:38:12,325 --> 00:38:13,144
shot show

1009
00:38:14,244 --> 00:38:15,224
that I realized

1010
00:38:15,525 --> 00:38:17,125
because they gave me the permit. I think

1011
00:38:17,285 --> 00:38:18,965
I got it right before shot and then

1012
00:38:19,125 --> 00:38:20,016
I laughed. Right.

1013
00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:21,710
I realized

1014
00:38:22,164 --> 00:38:24,414
that they issued me the permit

1015
00:38:25,108 --> 00:38:27,429
with my wrong birth on it. So I

1016
00:38:27,429 --> 00:38:30,213
needed them to rei me the permit again.

1017
00:38:32,042 --> 00:38:34,349
Yeah. Which actually went smoother than you would

1018
00:38:34,349 --> 00:38:36,914
have thought it you would, like, the people

1019
00:38:36,914 --> 00:38:38,931
in my town were great and the

1020
00:38:39,467 --> 00:38:41,164
the the judge and the prosecutor

1021
00:38:41,621 --> 00:38:42,121
just

1022
00:38:42,514 --> 00:38:44,348
you know, fast lined it and took care

1023
00:38:44,348 --> 00:38:46,103
of it like they were supposed to,

1024
00:38:46,741 --> 00:38:48,416
but they still screwed it up. They put

1025
00:38:48,416 --> 00:38:50,490
the real birthday. I'm gotta say they did

1026
00:38:50,490 --> 00:38:53,217
it on purpose. I mean, Everything was typed?

1027
00:38:53,457 --> 00:38:54,813
Like, why the heck would they give me

1028
00:38:54,813 --> 00:38:57,149
the wrong date? You know? Did they transpose

1029
00:38:57,208 --> 00:38:59,203
it or something simple like that or did

1030
00:38:59,203 --> 00:39:02,165
they make, you know? At December your birthday

1031
00:39:02,165 --> 00:39:04,074
went it was really, like May, so the

1032
00:39:04,074 --> 00:39:05,744
numbers weren't even... It was, like, off... It

1033
00:39:05,744 --> 00:39:07,255
was off by a couple of days.

1034
00:39:07,909 --> 00:39:10,942
So who knows. Right? Okay. Yeah. That's... But

1035
00:39:10,942 --> 00:39:11,601
these are

1036
00:39:12,379 --> 00:39:14,715
these are the issues that I uncovered. Now

1037
00:39:14,773 --> 00:39:17,976
every single time that I've raised an issue,

1038
00:39:18,851 --> 00:39:21,954
and I've uncovered something new, whether it's the

1039
00:39:21,954 --> 00:39:24,818
subjective standards, whether it's to wait times, and

1040
00:39:24,818 --> 00:39:25,318
then

1041
00:39:25,629 --> 00:39:27,859
the big thing here is this racial disparity,

1042
00:39:28,018 --> 00:39:30,169
and I'm not gonna stop banging this drum

1043
00:39:30,169 --> 00:39:31,625
for a very long time

1044
00:39:32,081 --> 00:39:34,232
until somebody listens to me about this.

1045
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,350
Every single time I've reached out to the

1046
00:39:39,350 --> 00:39:40,249
attorney general

1047
00:39:40,865 --> 00:39:43,976
Matthew Pla office to ask them for comment.

1048
00:39:45,905 --> 00:39:47,282
And every time

1049
00:39:47,979 --> 00:39:51,249
they write back basically saying, we declined to

1050
00:39:51,249 --> 00:39:53,961
comment or the office declines to comment. Right?

1051
00:39:55,092 --> 00:39:57,563
And when I say that I write the

1052
00:39:57,563 --> 00:39:58,461
attorney general,

1053
00:39:58,838 --> 00:40:01,309
I'm writing his press office. Right. That's who

1054
00:40:01,309 --> 00:40:01,946
you would write.

1055
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:05,154
When you're looking for a comment for something,

1056
00:40:05,313 --> 00:40:06,351
you know, as a journalist,

1057
00:40:06,990 --> 00:40:07,889
but I'm also

1058
00:40:08,347 --> 00:40:10,364
sending it to the attorney general's

1059
00:40:10,742 --> 00:40:12,020
actual email address.

1060
00:40:12,831 --> 00:40:15,616
So the attorney general and his press people

1061
00:40:15,616 --> 00:40:17,764
are both getting all of these emails.

1062
00:40:18,321 --> 00:40:20,231
And none of them are getting bounced back

1063
00:40:20,231 --> 00:40:21,106
on deliverable.

1064
00:40:21,439 --> 00:40:23,353
So I know he's getting them. And I

1065
00:40:23,353 --> 00:40:26,463
know it his email addresses from former open

1066
00:40:26,463 --> 00:40:29,095
public Record Act requests that I had done.

1067
00:40:29,414 --> 00:40:30,371
Right? Mh.

1068
00:40:31,105 --> 00:40:33,505
So they don't want to take ownership of

1069
00:40:33,505 --> 00:40:34,224
any of this,

1070
00:40:35,025 --> 00:40:36,324
and they know it's happening

1071
00:40:36,625 --> 00:40:38,065
underneath their leadership.

1072
00:40:39,358 --> 00:40:41,216
And then 1 of the other things

1073
00:40:41,755 --> 00:40:43,752
that I don't think you and I talked

1074
00:40:43,752 --> 00:40:44,072
about,

1075
00:40:46,003 --> 00:40:48,146
that's kinda like, the next step after all

1076
00:40:48,146 --> 00:40:49,495
of this. So I waited,

1077
00:40:50,209 --> 00:40:52,353
what I would consider a suitable time. Let's

1078
00:40:52,353 --> 00:40:53,940
say, like, a month. Right?

1079
00:40:55,306 --> 00:40:55,806
And

1080
00:40:56,658 --> 00:40:58,988
from the time that I basically

1081
00:40:59,443 --> 00:41:00,182
will stay

1082
00:41:00,557 --> 00:41:03,715
notified the attorney general by asking them for

1083
00:41:03,914 --> 00:41:05,370
comment. Right? Because

1084
00:41:05,826 --> 00:41:08,137
you're letting them know there's a problem there

1085
00:41:08,137 --> 00:41:09,115
while you're asking.

1086
00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:10,050
Right.

1087
00:41:11,659 --> 00:41:14,471
I put out a more open public records

1088
00:41:14,928 --> 00:41:15,805
requests. Right?

1089
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:17,740
And

1090
00:41:18,277 --> 00:41:21,324
I saw in 2 different requests 2 different

1091
00:41:21,324 --> 00:41:21,644
times.

1092
00:41:22,605 --> 00:41:23,105
Guidance

1093
00:41:23,644 --> 00:41:24,144
on

1094
00:41:24,844 --> 00:41:27,244
whether or not the attorney general has sent

1095
00:41:27,244 --> 00:41:28,065
out guidance

1096
00:41:28,779 --> 00:41:32,694
on excessive wait times and delays and the

1097
00:41:32,694 --> 00:41:34,452
hundred and 20 day time limit,

1098
00:41:35,011 --> 00:41:36,070
and that was 1

1099
00:41:36,623 --> 00:41:38,936
request. And the other request was if the

1100
00:41:38,936 --> 00:41:41,111
attorney general has sent out any guidance

1101
00:41:41,967 --> 00:41:46,170
on dealing with racial disparity. Right? And these

1102
00:41:46,686 --> 00:41:49,073
2 and a half time, permit denials,

1103
00:41:49,789 --> 00:41:51,539
difference between blacks and whites.

1104
00:41:53,463 --> 00:41:55,797
So I send out these open public records

1105
00:41:55,856 --> 00:41:56,175
requests,

1106
00:41:56,972 --> 00:41:59,285
and they both came back denied, but they

1107
00:41:59,285 --> 00:42:01,597
weren't really denied because, like, if you get

1108
00:42:01,597 --> 00:42:04,481
a denial They're usually pretty angry and they,

1109
00:42:04,561 --> 00:42:06,075
you know, send you a whole bunch of

1110
00:42:06,075 --> 00:42:08,704
legal Mum jumbo telling you. You're not entitled

1111
00:42:08,704 --> 00:42:10,553
to the information. Mh.

1112
00:42:11,192 --> 00:42:12,729
They were denied because

1113
00:42:13,108 --> 00:42:16,322
as they said, you know, records custodian said

1114
00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:17,599
no such records,

1115
00:42:18,217 --> 00:42:20,089
you know, exist. So

1116
00:42:21,107 --> 00:42:21,927
not only

1117
00:42:23,184 --> 00:42:26,081
would the attorney general fail to comment

1118
00:42:26,713 --> 00:42:28,170
on these things happening

1119
00:42:28,786 --> 00:42:29,286
underneath

1120
00:42:30,062 --> 00:42:30,562
his

1121
00:42:30,939 --> 00:42:31,178
leadership,

1122
00:42:31,816 --> 00:42:34,707
he also failed to send out any guidance

1123
00:42:35,337 --> 00:42:38,699
to the issuing authorities to rectify these problems.

1124
00:42:40,425 --> 00:42:43,525
So he's like incredibly comp in this scheme.

1125
00:42:44,654 --> 00:42:46,190
So when I went and

1126
00:42:46,725 --> 00:42:49,695
addressed the attorney general's office again

1127
00:42:50,869 --> 00:42:51,608
to say

1128
00:42:52,078 --> 00:42:52,397
hey,

1129
00:42:53,034 --> 00:42:55,423
I put out these open public record requests,

1130
00:42:57,175 --> 00:42:59,405
you know, seeing if you sent out any

1131
00:42:59,405 --> 00:43:01,735
guidance, I noticed you did not send out

1132
00:43:01,735 --> 00:43:02,454
any guidance.

1133
00:43:03,414 --> 00:43:05,994
Do you have any comment on that, and

1134
00:43:06,055 --> 00:43:08,215
do you have any intention to send out

1135
00:43:08,215 --> 00:43:10,728
any guidance? Like, is it in your prerogative

1136
00:43:10,788 --> 00:43:11,847
to eventually,

1137
00:43:12,786 --> 00:43:15,502
you know, tell issuing authorities how to handle

1138
00:43:15,502 --> 00:43:16,780
these these issues?

1139
00:43:17,754 --> 00:43:20,470
And, of course, the... In both instances, they

1140
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:23,027
wrote back with the office clients to comment.

1141
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:26,320
So that's what we're dealing with in New

1142
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:27,440
Jersey right now.

1143
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,820
The entire New Jersey legislative body has been

1144
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,375
notified. Of the racial bias issue.

1145
00:43:36,335 --> 00:43:37,855
I did email them all.

1146
00:43:38,414 --> 00:43:41,454
I got single digit responses, and of those

1147
00:43:41,454 --> 00:43:42,755
single digit responses

1148
00:43:43,389 --> 00:43:44,369
only 1

1149
00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:45,650
actual leg

1150
00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:49,309
themselves responded to me, not a staff or

1151
00:43:49,309 --> 00:43:50,829
something like that. Right? Mh.

1152
00:43:52,203 --> 00:43:56,038
And that legislators seemed interested in talking about

1153
00:43:56,038 --> 00:43:56,857
it, and

1154
00:43:57,635 --> 00:43:58,135
then

1155
00:43:58,610 --> 00:44:00,930
it never got off the ground. Right? I

1156
00:44:00,930 --> 00:44:03,329
probably should ref follow up with them, but

1157
00:44:03,329 --> 00:44:04,450
there's so much going on.

1158
00:44:05,090 --> 00:44:08,105
But the entire legislative body has been notified

1159
00:44:08,304 --> 00:44:11,494
and was asked for comment on this, no

1160
00:44:11,494 --> 00:44:12,452
comment. Nothing.

1161
00:44:14,445 --> 00:44:16,759
Again, the attorney general is, like, and now

1162
00:44:16,759 --> 00:44:18,926
at this point completely implicit with it.

1163
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,691
The governor's office failed to

1164
00:44:23,067 --> 00:44:25,456
respond to 3 requests for comments. So Governor

1165
00:44:25,536 --> 00:44:26,651
Phil Murphy's office.

1166
00:44:27,303 --> 00:44:28,520
Will not respond

1167
00:44:28,896 --> 00:44:31,525
with a comment to the racial bias issue

1168
00:44:31,525 --> 00:44:32,003
at all.

1169
00:44:33,914 --> 00:44:35,928
And then I also have

1170
00:44:36,398 --> 00:44:38,802
a response from the New Jersey Ac

1171
00:44:39,571 --> 00:44:41,633
that I'll be writing about in the future,

1172
00:44:42,347 --> 00:44:45,383
as well as senator, Corey Booker, for those

1173
00:44:45,383 --> 00:44:46,519
of you who don't

1174
00:44:46,894 --> 00:44:49,202
know who senator, Corey Booker is. He's 1

1175
00:44:49,202 --> 00:44:51,668
of our, you know, federal, you know, senators.

1176
00:44:52,479 --> 00:44:53,434
In New Jersey.

1177
00:44:54,866 --> 00:44:57,015
He's the guy that was yelling about being

1178
00:44:57,253 --> 00:44:59,083
Sparta kiss a number of years ago. I

1179
00:44:59,083 --> 00:45:00,755
don't know if you guys remember that, Cory

1180
00:45:00,834 --> 00:45:01,073
Booker.

1181
00:45:02,283 --> 00:45:04,596
I did get a response from him that

1182
00:45:04,596 --> 00:45:06,510
I help you reporting on to in the

1183
00:45:06,510 --> 00:45:07,148
future as well.

1184
00:45:08,105 --> 00:45:09,860
But let me tell you something. It's nothing

1185
00:45:09,860 --> 00:45:11,670
earth shattering because if it was, I would

1186
00:45:11,789 --> 00:45:12,510
covered it already.

1187
00:45:16,109 --> 00:45:17,730
And pretty much unilaterally

1188
00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:20,849
across the board, the N

1189
00:45:21,324 --> 00:45:22,921
p, the Ac u,

1190
00:45:23,959 --> 00:45:25,236
doctor Cornell West,

1191
00:45:26,514 --> 00:45:28,190
A Sharp in his group,

1192
00:45:29,307 --> 00:45:30,346
black lives matter.

1193
00:45:31,399 --> 00:45:31,899
Nobody

1194
00:45:32,757 --> 00:45:35,074
nobody cares. Nobody responded to me.

1195
00:45:36,593 --> 00:45:38,611
I That's kind of amazing because

1196
00:45:39,404 --> 00:45:40,600
you're not talking about...

1197
00:45:43,152 --> 00:45:46,045
You're not talking something that's arbitrary. These are

1198
00:45:46,661 --> 00:45:48,517
constitutional rights and you would think that

1199
00:45:48,989 --> 00:45:51,478
those groups would stand up for the

1200
00:45:51,853 --> 00:45:54,557
civil rights of the individuals because, you know,

1201
00:45:54,717 --> 00:45:55,512
when, you know,

1202
00:45:56,483 --> 00:45:58,872
when your rights are denied, you know, that's

1203
00:45:58,872 --> 00:45:59,531
a major

1204
00:45:59,907 --> 00:46:00,624
in fraction.

1205
00:46:01,022 --> 00:46:02,615
You know, on the government side of things

1206
00:46:02,615 --> 00:46:04,309
and not what was originally

1207
00:46:06,056 --> 00:46:07,034
envisioned by our founders

1208
00:46:07,570 --> 00:46:07,810
for...

1209
00:46:09,404 --> 00:46:12,115
Yep. So that's that's what we have going

1210
00:46:12,115 --> 00:46:15,323
on in New Jersey right now. And you

1211
00:46:15,323 --> 00:46:17,321
know, we'll see how it all flush out.

1212
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,637
Well, man, I this is John. Yeah. Go

1213
00:46:21,637 --> 00:46:23,235
ahead. My blood, you know,

1214
00:46:23,968 --> 00:46:24,468
getting

1215
00:46:24,924 --> 00:46:26,677
getting heated up here a little bit. I'm

1216
00:46:26,677 --> 00:46:28,908
sure there's some instructors in New Jersey there

1217
00:46:28,908 --> 00:46:31,059
that are, you know, wondering what can they

1218
00:46:31,059 --> 00:46:33,344
do as well. There's probably structures are other

1219
00:46:33,465 --> 00:46:33,864
places.

1220
00:46:35,065 --> 00:46:36,764
What can we do

1221
00:46:37,465 --> 00:46:39,065
from the instructor side of things,

1222
00:46:39,704 --> 00:46:42,039
a to help our students so that you

1223
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:44,036
can get a concealed carry permit in a

1224
00:46:44,036 --> 00:46:45,394
reasonable amount of time and b what can

1225
00:46:45,394 --> 00:46:48,271
we do to help sway the, you know,

1226
00:46:48,510 --> 00:46:49,445
political wins

1227
00:46:49,963 --> 00:46:52,916
to be more, you know, fair to to

1228
00:46:52,916 --> 00:46:53,236
everybody.

1229
00:46:54,353 --> 00:46:56,508
Well, I mean, we have to show up

1230
00:46:56,508 --> 00:46:58,997
and vote. That's the first thing that we

1231
00:46:58,997 --> 00:46:59,715
have to do.

1232
00:47:00,911 --> 00:47:03,724
We also have to you know, engage our

1233
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:06,654
quotes, a public service. Listen and I say

1234
00:47:06,654 --> 00:47:07,871
air quotes, because they

1235
00:47:08,264 --> 00:47:10,173
Most of the time they're serving themselves are

1236
00:47:10,173 --> 00:47:12,322
not serving us. The people least in New

1237
00:47:12,561 --> 00:47:13,061
Jersey.

1238
00:47:13,675 --> 00:47:15,800
There are states out there that they're public

1239
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,960
servants actually do serve the people. It's just

1240
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,219
that New Jersey is a corrupt wasteland

1241
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:24,000
that's, like, basically mafia ridden.

1242
00:47:26,249 --> 00:47:27,995
And if you don't believe me about that,

1243
00:47:28,234 --> 00:47:30,059
just look at the the latest thing that

1244
00:47:30,059 --> 00:47:31,670
the attorney general launched

1245
00:47:32,202 --> 00:47:33,949
against a former, you know,

1246
00:47:35,313 --> 00:47:38,351
democratic power broker here in the state. So

1247
00:47:38,645 --> 00:47:41,604
with Rico and racket clearing charges. So

1248
00:47:43,183 --> 00:47:45,886
there is, like, a lot of influence here

1249
00:47:45,886 --> 00:47:47,635
that's very bad and negative.

1250
00:47:49,543 --> 00:47:51,689
So we have an uphill battle. So voting

1251
00:47:51,689 --> 00:47:52,189
is

1252
00:47:52,579 --> 00:47:54,819
is probably the most important thing that we

1253
00:47:54,819 --> 00:47:56,659
can do, but we also do need to

1254
00:47:56,659 --> 00:47:57,159
let

1255
00:47:57,619 --> 00:47:58,119
our

1256
00:47:58,420 --> 00:47:59,319
public servants

1257
00:47:59,619 --> 00:48:00,119
know

1258
00:48:00,594 --> 00:48:02,991
what we're thinking, and we need to engage

1259
00:48:02,991 --> 00:48:05,228
them, and we need to continually write them,

1260
00:48:06,826 --> 00:48:09,866
you know, send snail mail letters and emails

1261
00:48:09,866 --> 00:48:12,094
and phone calls, all of it just to

1262
00:48:12,094 --> 00:48:13,844
let your position be known.

1263
00:48:15,213 --> 00:48:16,411
And there's a lot of people out there.

1264
00:48:16,570 --> 00:48:18,007
Say, well, it's not gonna make a difference.

1265
00:48:18,246 --> 00:48:19,524
It's not gonna make a difference.

1266
00:48:20,083 --> 00:48:22,398
Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but it's

1267
00:48:22,398 --> 00:48:24,989
like the minimum that we can do

1268
00:48:25,529 --> 00:48:28,829
to stay engaged. Not everyone has to do

1269
00:48:29,609 --> 00:48:32,029
what you and I do, Rob, for our

1270
00:48:32,344 --> 00:48:34,572
see our activism. Like, you know, you put

1271
00:48:34,572 --> 00:48:36,026
a lot of time effort

1272
00:48:36,481 --> 00:48:39,368
and money into your craft to

1273
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:40,500
expand

1274
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:45,300
knowledge on firearms training and rights and

1275
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:46,719
and and the rest.

1276
00:48:47,454 --> 00:48:49,534
And obviously, I spend a lot of time

1277
00:48:49,534 --> 00:48:50,335
doing this. You know,

1278
00:48:51,534 --> 00:48:55,135
people who are just instructors or students even,

1279
00:48:55,948 --> 00:48:58,357
just got owners, you don't have to get

1280
00:48:58,811 --> 00:49:01,596
involved to this level. It's the simple things

1281
00:49:01,596 --> 00:49:02,311
like I said.

1282
00:49:03,041 --> 00:49:04,944
Staying engaged even minimally.

1283
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:07,560
And then if if you're not gonna even

1284
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,042
do that, you should still, but

1285
00:49:10,905 --> 00:49:13,525
send money to the organizations that are supporting

1286
00:49:13,525 --> 00:49:14,898
you. Like, you have

1287
00:49:15,351 --> 00:49:17,653
the Buck eye firearms and you also have

1288
00:49:17,653 --> 00:49:18,153
the

1289
00:49:18,463 --> 00:49:19,259
Ohio Rifle

1290
00:49:19,816 --> 00:49:21,725
Association. Right? Is that that's... That's called? Ohio

1291
00:49:21,805 --> 00:49:25,407
Rifle on Pistol. Yeah. Ohio Rifle Pistol, buck

1292
00:49:25,559 --> 00:49:27,792
firearms, both groups that are doing great work

1293
00:49:27,792 --> 00:49:28,430
up by you.

1294
00:49:29,307 --> 00:49:31,801
By me in New Jersey. We've got the

1295
00:49:32,019 --> 00:49:34,093
association in New Jersey, firearms owners,

1296
00:49:35,384 --> 00:49:36,024
We've got

1297
00:49:37,782 --> 00:49:39,640
we've got, NJ2.

1298
00:49:39,940 --> 00:49:40,599
We've got

1299
00:49:41,138 --> 00:49:44,175
coalition in Jersey firearms owners, rifle pistol club

1300
00:49:44,175 --> 00:49:46,101
here, That's what I meant to say. A

1301
00:49:46,101 --> 00:49:49,123
n jr pc. I'm like, running alphabet soup

1302
00:49:49,123 --> 00:49:51,350
here is the Association of new Jersey Rifle

1303
00:49:51,509 --> 00:49:52,702
Pistol Clubs. My gosh.

1304
00:49:54,068 --> 00:49:55,974
How could I forget? And these are the

1305
00:49:55,974 --> 00:49:57,643
groups that are doing a lot of the

1306
00:49:57,643 --> 00:49:58,460
work here

1307
00:49:58,913 --> 00:50:01,137
in in litigation front. And then you also

1308
00:50:01,137 --> 00:50:04,416
have the national arena and groups, like, the

1309
00:50:04,416 --> 00:50:05,235
second amendment

1310
00:50:05,693 --> 00:50:05,853
foundation,

1311
00:50:06,811 --> 00:50:08,987
got owners of America, gun owners

1312
00:50:09,525 --> 00:50:11,063
foundation, firearms, policy

1313
00:50:11,601 --> 00:50:11,840
coalition,

1314
00:50:12,653 --> 00:50:15,286
etcetera, etcetera. Up to and including the Nra

1315
00:50:15,286 --> 00:50:16,641
and I know a lot of people... You

1316
00:50:16,641 --> 00:50:18,396
know, they don't wanna talk about the Nra.

1317
00:50:18,556 --> 00:50:20,789
Like, we don't talk about Bruno. We don't

1318
00:50:20,789 --> 00:50:21,826
talk about the Nra.

1319
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:23,998
We need to remember that the Nra,

1320
00:50:24,477 --> 00:50:26,954
the the brewing case was always an Nra

1321
00:50:26,954 --> 00:50:29,133
case from from day 1. So

1322
00:50:29,512 --> 00:50:31,530
Nra was supporting the

1323
00:50:32,003 --> 00:50:33,590
you know, New York State Rifle Pistol

1324
00:50:34,383 --> 00:50:34,883
Association

1325
00:50:35,731 --> 00:50:37,659
in that. So this this this

1326
00:50:38,032 --> 00:50:39,325
victory that we have

1327
00:50:40,664 --> 00:50:41,481
in Brewing

1328
00:50:42,090 --> 00:50:44,388
was made very much so in part by

1329
00:50:44,388 --> 00:50:45,759
the Nra. So

1330
00:50:47,494 --> 00:50:49,324
But even if you don't wanna support them

1331
00:50:49,324 --> 00:50:52,054
find, there's other groups out there to support

1332
00:50:53,146 --> 00:50:54,818
that are doing the work for us.

1333
00:50:55,629 --> 00:50:57,385
And I guess that's the best advice that

1334
00:50:57,545 --> 00:50:58,982
I could give, you know,

1335
00:51:00,179 --> 00:51:00,898
on this route.

1336
00:51:01,617 --> 00:51:03,612
And if... Would it be helpful if people

1337
00:51:03,612 --> 00:51:04,751
went long and

1338
00:51:05,064 --> 00:51:07,136
you wrote about this on bearing arms, and

1339
00:51:07,136 --> 00:51:09,209
that's where I where I saw at and

1340
00:51:09,209 --> 00:51:10,484
get the idea for the podcast.

1341
00:51:11,281 --> 00:51:13,528
To go along and, basically send a quick

1342
00:51:13,528 --> 00:51:15,843
letter to their legislature saying, hey, what are

1343
00:51:15,843 --> 00:51:17,460
you gonna be doing about this

1344
00:51:17,838 --> 00:51:20,232
discrepancy savings? I think enough people ask, they

1345
00:51:20,232 --> 00:51:21,051
will get the

1346
00:51:21,922 --> 00:51:23,515
they will understand that people are,

1347
00:51:24,152 --> 00:51:25,927
they want this kind of stuff,

1348
00:51:26,303 --> 00:51:28,534
you know, to stop and for the permitting

1349
00:51:28,534 --> 00:51:30,207
process to be fair across the board no

1350
00:51:30,207 --> 00:51:32,958
matter. What econ economic,

1351
00:51:33,417 --> 00:51:34,456
you know, status you're in?

1352
00:51:35,175 --> 00:51:37,972
Oh, yes. Specifically, if you're listening from New

1353
00:51:38,212 --> 00:51:40,940
Jersey, and you wanna engage on this actual

1354
00:51:40,940 --> 00:51:41,338
topic.

1355
00:51:42,610 --> 00:51:45,395
Find my article on bearing arms, The the

1356
00:51:45,395 --> 00:51:47,878
1 that article is called black applicants for

1357
00:51:48,037 --> 00:51:50,430
New Jersey permits to carry denied more than

1358
00:51:50,430 --> 00:51:51,148
double whites.

1359
00:51:51,945 --> 00:51:53,700
There's another 1 there that says is New

1360
00:51:53,859 --> 00:51:57,184
Jersey Ag Platt will allowing civil rights

1361
00:51:57,703 --> 00:51:59,161
violations and racial bias

1362
00:51:59,777 --> 00:52:01,373
and carry a permit scheme.

1363
00:52:02,331 --> 00:52:04,006
And and if you can't find them, I

1364
00:52:04,006 --> 00:52:05,534
have a link tree and a web page.

1365
00:52:05,693 --> 00:52:07,045
If you go to my web page dot

1366
00:52:07,045 --> 00:52:08,237
penn tree dot com,

1367
00:52:08,873 --> 00:52:10,384
there's a link to my link tree there

1368
00:52:10,384 --> 00:52:12,054
where it's got all the links to my

1369
00:52:12,054 --> 00:52:12,292
work.

1370
00:52:12,944 --> 00:52:15,182
You'll find it there. And if you wanna

1371
00:52:15,182 --> 00:52:16,720
send these articles

1372
00:52:17,099 --> 00:52:18,238
to your lawmakers

1373
00:52:18,617 --> 00:52:20,156
or all of the lawmakers,

1374
00:52:21,027 --> 00:52:22,611
I do think that we'll make a difference,

1375
00:52:22,770 --> 00:52:24,988
because eventually, they're gonna have to answer to

1376
00:52:24,988 --> 00:52:27,286
that. And I and I I'll extend that

1377
00:52:27,286 --> 00:52:30,269
to all so to the attorney general's office

1378
00:52:30,328 --> 00:52:32,720
and to the governor's office. They all need

1379
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:33,539
to be held

1380
00:52:34,076 --> 00:52:35,273
you know, accountable for this,

1381
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:37,607
especially because that

1382
00:52:38,635 --> 00:52:39,452
that 2c

1383
00:52:40,541 --> 00:52:42,947
law that I keep reading off that's the

1384
00:52:43,956 --> 00:52:46,680
interest in public health safety and welfare standard

1385
00:52:47,943 --> 00:52:48,981
that I'm talking about.

1386
00:52:49,939 --> 00:52:53,472
They actually changed it during the Brewing response

1387
00:52:54,009 --> 00:52:54,328
bill,

1388
00:52:56,178 --> 00:52:59,359
and they added that last part about lacking

1389
00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:01,449
the essential character of temperament

1390
00:53:01,903 --> 00:53:03,732
necessary to be entrusted with a firearm.

1391
00:53:04,304 --> 00:53:06,378
They added that to the to the law.

1392
00:53:06,936 --> 00:53:09,249
So all the people that voted for this

1393
00:53:09,249 --> 00:53:12,280
are now actually need to understand that they

1394
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,709
voted for a law that's being

1395
00:53:15,085 --> 00:53:17,076
disproportionately used against blacks.

1396
00:53:19,225 --> 00:53:21,795
Originally, the public health safety welfare

1397
00:53:22,905 --> 00:53:24,984
ended right there. Says to any person where

1398
00:53:24,984 --> 00:53:26,585
the issuance would not be in the interest

1399
00:53:26,585 --> 00:53:29,385
of public health safety or welfare. Right? They

1400
00:53:29,385 --> 00:53:30,844
added all that other

1401
00:53:31,474 --> 00:53:34,515
mum jumbo about the character of temperament

1402
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,166
to just make the the statute

1403
00:53:38,619 --> 00:53:39,253
extra deadly.

1404
00:53:39,984 --> 00:53:41,440
So that would be my

1405
00:53:42,055 --> 00:53:44,126
recommendation. And if you had similar issues in

1406
00:53:44,126 --> 00:53:46,118
your jurisdiction, it's not New Jersey,

1407
00:53:46,596 --> 00:53:49,333
Yet. A concerted effort sending all of that

1408
00:53:49,468 --> 00:53:51,928
information, and I think would at least,

1409
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:53,832
catch their attention.

1410
00:53:54,641 --> 00:53:55,038
Mh.

1411
00:53:55,753 --> 00:53:58,215
Yeah. It's 1 of those things where, you

1412
00:53:58,215 --> 00:54:00,835
know, this time of year go into the

1413
00:54:00,835 --> 00:54:03,638
elections and different things like that. The politicians

1414
00:54:03,638 --> 00:54:04,537
are extremely

1415
00:54:05,635 --> 00:54:08,512
responsive when it comes to cons questions. And

1416
00:54:08,671 --> 00:54:09,890
I think you really gotta

1417
00:54:10,204 --> 00:54:12,042
ask them, you know, this is not fair,

1418
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,958
what you've uncovered? And what are they gonna

1419
00:54:15,958 --> 00:54:18,615
do about it? And if they decide to

1420
00:54:19,408 --> 00:54:21,873
give you the standard, you know, answer of,

1421
00:54:21,953 --> 00:54:23,304
you know, we'll look into it. You know,

1422
00:54:23,463 --> 00:54:26,166
we... You know, and, you know, we gotta

1423
00:54:26,166 --> 00:54:27,041
check the data first.

1424
00:54:27,693 --> 00:54:29,767
You know, stay on them and see what's

1425
00:54:29,767 --> 00:54:31,463
going on because if you got a

1426
00:54:31,921 --> 00:54:34,313
political candidate that is not going to

1427
00:54:34,952 --> 00:54:36,945
you know, fight for his constituents.

1428
00:54:37,678 --> 00:54:39,690
You know, that's probably not the right

1429
00:54:40,066 --> 00:54:41,658
politician for you to vote for come come

1430
00:54:41,896 --> 00:54:42,135
November.

1431
00:54:43,648 --> 00:54:44,762
Oh, yeah. For sure.

1432
00:54:46,050 --> 00:54:47,505
But... Yeah. That's the

1433
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,346
that's the update in the Garden state, Rob.

1434
00:54:50,744 --> 00:54:51,800
Yeah. That's just

1435
00:54:52,988 --> 00:54:53,626
Like I said,

1436
00:54:54,823 --> 00:54:57,456
you know, season 4, episode 13, when we

1437
00:54:57,456 --> 00:55:00,744
talked about permanent carry here in Ohio. And,

1438
00:55:00,905 --> 00:55:03,485
you know, people, the people that were disproportionately

1439
00:55:03,545 --> 00:55:04,045
affected

1440
00:55:04,345 --> 00:55:07,144
by the, or by the concealed carry laws

1441
00:55:07,144 --> 00:55:08,838
that we had at the time and they

1442
00:55:08,838 --> 00:55:11,311
kinda helped push that over? They finish line

1443
00:55:11,311 --> 00:55:13,384
for the purpose carry here in Ohio. It's

1444
00:55:13,384 --> 00:55:14,820
1 of those things people really need to

1445
00:55:14,820 --> 00:55:17,133
look at, you know, who's it serving? Who's

1446
00:55:17,133 --> 00:55:18,192
the thought because

1447
00:55:18,504 --> 00:55:20,736
I encourage everybody. Go out. Get as much

1448
00:55:20,736 --> 00:55:22,730
training as they can afford, but Also realize

1449
00:55:22,730 --> 00:55:24,882
that a lot of cases, if you're a

1450
00:55:24,882 --> 00:55:27,296
lower income. You may not have enough for

1451
00:55:27,528 --> 00:55:30,386
a gun this month and training and apply

1452
00:55:30,386 --> 00:55:32,553
for your Gary permits so you need to

1453
00:55:32,847 --> 00:55:34,197
stretch that out afford.

1454
00:55:35,324 --> 00:55:37,082
And those are all things to wear,

1455
00:55:37,722 --> 00:55:39,240
you know, you should be able to exercise

1456
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:39,740
your

1457
00:55:40,598 --> 00:55:42,916
your rights without having to, you know, wait

1458
00:55:42,916 --> 00:55:45,407
off thousand days on the government to issue

1459
00:55:45,407 --> 00:55:45,885
a

1460
00:55:46,604 --> 00:55:47,402
concealed carry permit.

1461
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:48,860
So

1462
00:55:49,317 --> 00:55:51,494
thank you, John for your time because that's

1463
00:55:53,163 --> 00:55:54,197
that really gets me going.

1464
00:55:55,472 --> 00:55:57,325
Here in Ohio. This give

1465
00:55:57,781 --> 00:55:58,019
contrast.

1466
00:55:58,736 --> 00:56:00,908
I got them. I was

1467
00:56:01,459 --> 00:56:03,057
On a phone call with my mom, pulled

1468
00:56:03,057 --> 00:56:04,655
in the sheriff's office told her I'd I

1469
00:56:04,655 --> 00:56:05,853
called her back when I came out of

1470
00:56:05,853 --> 00:56:07,850
sheriff's office called her back 3 minutes later.

1471
00:56:08,423 --> 00:56:10,408
After I've been fingerprint my money and give

1472
00:56:10,408 --> 00:56:11,282
them the application.

1473
00:56:11,996 --> 00:56:12,949
Okay? 3 minutes later.

1474
00:56:13,664 --> 00:56:16,539
And that was on Tuesday by Friday. I

1475
00:56:16,539 --> 00:56:18,693
had my concealed carry permit my hand. They

1476
00:56:18,693 --> 00:56:19,412
had mailed it to me.

1477
00:56:20,769 --> 00:56:23,961
Yeah. It's incredible. It it really is. It's

1478
00:56:23,961 --> 00:56:24,655
it's a

1479
00:56:25,011 --> 00:56:26,041
electronic system. I mean,

1480
00:56:27,467 --> 00:56:29,844
It's it's essentially the same system that if

1481
00:56:29,844 --> 00:56:31,429
you get pulled over for speeding,

1482
00:56:31,999 --> 00:56:34,070
you know, or something that police officer is

1483
00:56:34,070 --> 00:56:35,981
gonna look into it. It's it's not 1

1484
00:56:35,981 --> 00:56:37,256
of those things that takes a whole lot

1485
00:56:37,256 --> 00:56:40,146
of time. It's boom. It's there? No. No

1486
00:56:40,442 --> 00:56:40,522
answer.

1487
00:56:41,810 --> 00:56:44,117
When I put in for my Pennsylvania permit

1488
00:56:44,117 --> 00:56:44,753
to carry,

1489
00:56:45,628 --> 00:56:47,003
I submitted the

1490
00:56:47,536 --> 00:56:49,048
application around midnight.

1491
00:56:50,416 --> 00:56:51,155
And then

1492
00:56:52,168 --> 00:56:54,239
what I woke up the next morning, I

1493
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,266
saw that I had gotten my approval at

1494
00:56:57,266 --> 00:56:57,903
8AM.

1495
00:56:59,429 --> 00:56:59,929
So

1496
00:57:01,251 --> 00:57:03,945
it could be that quick. Like, overnight, like,

1497
00:57:04,975 --> 00:57:05,371
you know,

1498
00:57:06,893 --> 00:57:10,149
so did the... These these jurisdictions are playing

1499
00:57:10,149 --> 00:57:10,467
games.

1500
00:57:11,737 --> 00:57:12,952
Yeah. I know, unfortunately

1501
00:57:13,325 --> 00:57:15,805
they're not they're playing games with your safety

1502
00:57:15,805 --> 00:57:16,702
and with your

1503
00:57:17,077 --> 00:57:18,134
constitutional rights, which

1504
00:57:18,907 --> 00:57:21,110
should not happen, though. Now

1505
00:57:21,549 --> 00:57:23,546
But I and I definitely... I wanna say,

1506
00:57:23,786 --> 00:57:26,502
I very much so appreciate you sharing your

1507
00:57:26,502 --> 00:57:27,541
audience with me.

1508
00:57:28,670 --> 00:57:30,731
To get this information out because I know

1509
00:57:30,731 --> 00:57:31,390
this isn't

1510
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,768
specifically a training related

1511
00:57:34,457 --> 00:57:34,853
topic.

1512
00:57:36,059 --> 00:57:38,055
Yes. Training comes in and out of here

1513
00:57:38,055 --> 00:57:39,332
because you actually, you know, you need to

1514
00:57:39,332 --> 00:57:41,009
get trained to get your permit to carry.

1515
00:57:41,168 --> 00:57:41,568
And I know,

1516
00:57:42,526 --> 00:57:44,282
I think, like I said, Tony talked a

1517
00:57:44,282 --> 00:57:45,001
lot about that.

1518
00:57:45,653 --> 00:57:47,323
On his episode with you. Mh.

1519
00:57:48,436 --> 00:57:50,026
So I know this is maybe a little

1520
00:57:50,026 --> 00:57:51,775
bit off the beaten path. It's a little

1521
00:57:51,775 --> 00:57:52,831
bit more political

1522
00:57:54,098 --> 00:57:56,354
from what you're accustomed to. So I definitely

1523
00:57:56,652 --> 00:57:58,568
appreciate you bringing me on to talk about

1524
00:57:58,568 --> 00:58:00,324
this because I think it's an important issue

1525
00:58:00,324 --> 00:58:02,654
and clearly, you know, you do too. Well,

1526
00:58:02,974 --> 00:58:04,572
I think 1 of the things that's interesting

1527
00:58:04,572 --> 00:58:06,730
and maybe this will spark a few of

1528
00:58:06,730 --> 00:58:09,128
the instructors out there to ask for the

1529
00:58:09,128 --> 00:58:11,206
same information or look up the same information

1530
00:58:11,206 --> 00:58:11,845
in their states.

1531
00:58:12,819 --> 00:58:14,997
Because it's 1 of those things to where

1532
00:58:15,216 --> 00:58:17,294
you get enough people asking questions about it.

1533
00:58:18,813 --> 00:58:20,731
Politicians and elective officials will start looking at

1534
00:58:20,731 --> 00:58:21,550
it because

1535
00:58:22,024 --> 00:58:24,498
it doesn't look good. You know, for, you

1536
00:58:24,498 --> 00:58:26,413
know, whether it's New Jersey or any other

1537
00:58:26,413 --> 00:58:28,328
state to have this kind of discrepancy say

1538
00:58:28,328 --> 00:58:30,811
between you know, the who they issue permits

1539
00:58:30,811 --> 00:58:32,581
to and who they don't. And then the

1540
00:58:33,034 --> 00:58:35,677
frivolous grounds that they, you know, that they,

1541
00:58:35,891 --> 00:58:37,240
you know, deny them on. I mean, it's

1542
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:37,558
1 thing.

1543
00:58:38,923 --> 00:58:40,200
It's 1 thing if you can't pass a

1544
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,593
44 73 to deny you, but it's a

1545
00:58:42,593 --> 00:58:43,869
whole another 1 to go along and say

1546
00:58:43,869 --> 00:58:45,464
you get speeding tickets or you got a

1547
00:58:45,464 --> 00:58:47,139
jay walking ticket and that's enough for us

1548
00:58:47,139 --> 00:58:47,857
to, you know,

1549
00:58:48,989 --> 00:58:50,904
decline your application. That's just not right.

1550
00:58:52,341 --> 00:58:55,054
Yeah. For sure. Yeah, Well, John, I appreciate

1551
00:58:55,054 --> 00:58:56,651
your time, but before we let you go,

1552
00:58:56,810 --> 00:58:58,920
we've been asked and all our season 7

1553
00:58:59,138 --> 00:59:01,051
guests. What do you do for your mental

1554
00:59:01,051 --> 00:59:01,768
health every day?

1555
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,886
It's a great question, Rob. And I remember

1556
00:59:06,886 --> 00:59:09,359
being asked this on the walk to talk

1557
00:59:09,518 --> 00:59:10,018
America

1558
00:59:10,954 --> 00:59:13,427
podcast a number of years ago, and I

1559
00:59:13,427 --> 00:59:15,101
kinda laughed, and I said, well,

1560
00:59:15,993 --> 00:59:18,216
I used to I used to write.

1561
00:59:19,963 --> 00:59:22,742
To as an outlet to help me, you

1562
00:59:22,742 --> 00:59:23,378
know, you know,

1563
00:59:24,029 --> 00:59:25,865
to tend to my mental health and to,

1564
00:59:26,025 --> 00:59:26,344
you know,

1565
00:59:27,302 --> 00:59:28,599
have a little bit of cath

1566
00:59:29,057 --> 00:59:30,755
and then that that that writing,

1567
00:59:32,664 --> 00:59:33,565
it evolved,

1568
00:59:34,105 --> 00:59:35,965
and it's turned into something

1569
00:59:36,265 --> 00:59:37,224
completely different.

1570
00:59:38,664 --> 00:59:41,005
But I would say, yes. I still do

1571
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,559
bright to help tend to my mental health,

1572
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:45,960
but it's it's done a bit more for

1573
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,179
me than just that

1574
00:59:48,853 --> 00:59:51,309
I I like to unplug and and just

1575
00:59:51,309 --> 00:59:54,083
do family time stuff and then be able

1576
00:59:54,083 --> 00:59:54,583
to,

1577
00:59:55,351 --> 00:59:55,669
you know,

1578
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:57,780
do full on

1579
00:59:58,079 --> 00:59:58,400
as,

1580
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,680
hit hit the water parks and things like

1581
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,780
that and theme parks and

1582
01:00:04,333 --> 01:00:07,285
just you know, escape into, you know,

1583
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:11,273
the crowds so to say, You know? I

1584
01:00:11,273 --> 01:00:12,469
don't know I like that kind of thing,

1585
01:00:12,708 --> 01:00:13,187
for sure.

1586
01:00:14,479 --> 01:00:16,557
Mh. But, yeah, lots of family time.

1587
01:00:17,436 --> 01:00:19,593
And a big thing is just putting the

1588
01:00:19,593 --> 01:00:21,671
putting the phone down, making sure you put

1589
01:00:21,671 --> 01:00:22,411
it down

1590
01:00:23,203 --> 01:00:25,031
you know, long enough to where you, you

1591
01:00:25,031 --> 01:00:27,359
know, you're getting a break from the constant

1592
01:00:27,574 --> 01:00:28,472
pings and

1593
01:00:28,846 --> 01:00:30,300
and whatnot. So

1594
01:00:30,849 --> 01:00:32,849
That's that's another thing. That's

1595
01:00:33,489 --> 01:00:35,969
little bit harder to subscribe to, but it's

1596
01:00:35,969 --> 01:00:37,010
something I try to do.

1597
01:00:37,650 --> 01:00:37,809
Yep.

1598
01:00:38,623 --> 01:00:39,818
Well, it takes

1599
01:00:40,534 --> 01:00:41,591
your mental health

1600
01:00:42,365 --> 01:00:43,639
is important thing to

1601
01:00:44,195 --> 01:00:45,947
stay focused on a little bit of,

1602
01:00:46,916 --> 01:00:48,106
attention to it can go a long way.

1603
01:00:49,535 --> 01:00:50,012
Absolutely.

1604
01:00:50,409 --> 01:00:50,647
Great.

1605
01:00:51,758 --> 01:00:54,632
Well, John, where can people find out about

1606
01:00:54,632 --> 01:00:56,142
you, what you're doing with the Penn patriot

1607
01:00:56,142 --> 01:00:57,891
patron and what you're doing at bearing arms?

1608
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:00,990
Okay. So my work

1609
01:01:01,467 --> 01:01:03,159
over at bearing arms

1610
01:01:04,510 --> 01:01:06,589
you can find links to all of that

1611
01:01:06,589 --> 01:01:09,069
work, obviously at bearing arms. But if you

1612
01:01:09,069 --> 01:01:10,849
go to my website the penn

1613
01:01:11,230 --> 01:01:11,710
dot com,

1614
01:01:12,444 --> 01:01:14,598
there's an area there where it'll take you

1615
01:01:14,598 --> 01:01:16,432
to my link tree, and then it'll also

1616
01:01:16,432 --> 01:01:17,650
have links to

1617
01:01:18,266 --> 01:01:20,579
specific bio lines, like the bearing arms, 1

1618
01:01:20,579 --> 01:01:22,015
or ammo land or whatever.

1619
01:01:22,507 --> 01:01:24,176
And you could check out all my articles

1620
01:01:24,176 --> 01:01:24,414
there.

1621
01:01:25,447 --> 01:01:26,661
I'm also on Facebook

1622
01:01:27,353 --> 01:01:29,124
the Penn patriot on Facebook.

1623
01:01:30,945 --> 01:01:31,744
Over at

1624
01:01:32,385 --> 01:01:32,625
Instagram,

1625
01:01:33,184 --> 01:01:34,005
j Pet,

1626
01:01:34,385 --> 01:01:35,445
III

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over at Twitter. I'm John Pet.

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And then, of course, something that you and

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I briefly spoke about is I just launched

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a new website

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called the square reviews, and it's a product

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and travel review site. And it's pretty cool

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because it gives me an opportunity to flex

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a little bit on some of these other

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things that we're talking about, like, me saying,

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hey, just unplug with the family and go

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to a water park or a theme park

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Well, if you wanna learn about all that,

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you can head over to the square reviews

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dot com, and I've got a bunch of

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water park reviews. I got some Theme Park

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reviews.

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But the long side that. I also have

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some everyday carry flashlight,

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some h

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and other, you know, gadgets and things that

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might be of interest to you.

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I don't know when you're rolling the the

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episode out, but by the time this comes

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out, I think there'd be a pair of

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socks.

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A pack wool socks that you could read

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about. So that's all over there.

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And it kinda gave me an opportunity to

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take all of these experiences that I'm having

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and put them there, and that includes both

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the the firearm related stuff and, you know,

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everything else,

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Very nice. Very nice. Well, John. Appreciate you

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having on... Coming on the podcast again and

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sharing your information even got

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got me a little bit hot into the

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collar. It it's good to be educated about

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these and also, you know, as instructors who've

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gotta be able to you know, pass good

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information on to our students, and you definitely

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are wealth of good information, John?

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Well, Thank you, Rob. I I definitely appreciate

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it and and again, thank you. Thank you

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very much for sharing your your audience for

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me. And 1 more quick plug

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anybody that has

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a do story or a tip or anything

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like that. You wanna get in touch with

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me, you could email me very easily.

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John at at z pan

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dot com.

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Okay.

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Well, those are all be in the show

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notes for people, and

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Again john. Thanks for your time. Take it

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easy Rob. Bye. That's a wrap for this

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episode, and hope you

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taking some notes or gonna plan on taking

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some action after listening to that podcast of

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what John's covered

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through his freedom information act on New Jersey

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permit systems and how they discriminate against people

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for some of the

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little things in the world. Anything to deny

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somebody the right to be able to defend

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themselves.

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And remember, share this with your friends, maybe

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your family.

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Get people knowing. And again, as farm owners,

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we're not a noisy crowd, normally.

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But some of these things we really do

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have to stand up and say it's not

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right.

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Government should be should be fair to everybody

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not to just their people

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that they view worthy for it. And remember,

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a search bar in the pro right hand

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for me. Does email me at T p,

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at can concealed carrie dot com. And remember,

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Stay safe out there everyone.

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