1 00:00:10,461 --> 00:00:13,405 Hey, friends. Welcome to Episode 1 81 of 2 00:00:13,405 --> 00:00:15,951 the fears calling podcast. I'm your host, Doris 3 00:00:16,110 --> 00:00:18,497 Swift. I wanna warm welcome you to the 4 00:00:18,497 --> 00:00:18,736 show. 5 00:00:19,388 --> 00:00:21,542 Are you looking for a speaker for your 6 00:00:21,542 --> 00:00:23,615 next women's event? I would love to have 7 00:00:23,615 --> 00:00:25,769 a chat about that with you? You can 8 00:00:25,769 --> 00:00:28,002 check out my speaking page at doris swift 9 00:00:28,002 --> 00:00:28,742 dot com 10 00:00:29,054 --> 00:00:32,163 or my profile at women's speaker dot com. 11 00:00:32,641 --> 00:00:35,373 There's some free resources for you in both 12 00:00:35,431 --> 00:00:37,240 faces to reach out 13 00:00:37,678 --> 00:00:40,492 This week my guest is Lisa Granger. 14 00:00:41,189 --> 00:00:44,461 And she felt like her testimony just wasn't 15 00:00:44,461 --> 00:00:46,705 exciting or dramatic enough to share. And I 16 00:00:46,705 --> 00:00:47,682 think a lot of 17 00:00:48,137 --> 00:00:50,047 people that I've spoken with have felt the 18 00:00:50,047 --> 00:00:52,409 same way. She grew up in a Christian 19 00:00:52,529 --> 00:00:53,823 home had a great childhood, 20 00:00:54,196 --> 00:00:56,603 and her story didn't include some powerful 21 00:00:57,056 --> 00:00:59,597 transformation of overcoming abuse or addiction or life 22 00:00:59,597 --> 00:01:00,391 on the streets, 23 00:01:00,947 --> 00:01:01,447 but 24 00:01:02,233 --> 00:01:04,138 what she we discover is that all of 25 00:01:04,138 --> 00:01:06,440 our stories are purposeful and powerful. 26 00:01:07,630 --> 00:01:08,130 When 27 00:01:08,504 --> 00:01:09,321 a believer 28 00:01:09,774 --> 00:01:10,488 accepts Jesus, 29 00:01:11,777 --> 00:01:14,409 that heavenly rejoice. So all over her all 30 00:01:14,409 --> 00:01:16,265 of her stories are powerful. But 31 00:01:16,642 --> 00:01:18,795 she would soon find out that even though 32 00:01:18,795 --> 00:01:20,390 she had grown up in the faith, 33 00:01:21,123 --> 00:01:23,298 that her faith would 34 00:01:23,915 --> 00:01:24,415 waiver 35 00:01:25,031 --> 00:01:28,461 when tragedy struck her family. So we're gonna 36 00:01:28,461 --> 00:01:30,397 talk about that and 37 00:01:30,709 --> 00:01:32,145 a lot of other things that she's gonna 38 00:01:32,145 --> 00:01:32,464 share, 39 00:01:33,022 --> 00:01:35,596 like, suddenly finding herself an empty nest 40 00:01:35,974 --> 00:01:37,808 and how she was in her lane, and 41 00:01:37,808 --> 00:01:39,802 then her lane wasn't there anymore, and I 42 00:01:39,802 --> 00:01:41,013 think a lot of us can relate to 43 00:01:41,013 --> 00:01:43,725 that too. So this is a great conversation, 44 00:01:43,885 --> 00:01:45,799 and I know what Lisa shares will encourage, 45 00:01:46,118 --> 00:01:48,511 inspire and challenge you. So listen in, while 46 00:01:48,670 --> 00:01:50,425 I have a chat with Lisa Granger. 47 00:01:53,465 --> 00:01:55,137 What is threatening to steal your joy? 48 00:01:55,853 --> 00:01:57,923 What is it that feels so heavy? 49 00:01:58,813 --> 00:01:59,632 Right now 50 00:02:00,245 --> 00:02:01,597 that you could barely stand. 51 00:02:02,393 --> 00:02:03,904 God has a plan, 52 00:02:04,541 --> 00:02:05,629 and his plan is 53 00:02:06,146 --> 00:02:06,940 to surrender it. 54 00:02:07,734 --> 00:02:08,528 Surrender it to him. 55 00:02:09,243 --> 00:02:10,275 It might be a prod. 56 00:02:10,989 --> 00:02:11,966 It might be 57 00:02:12,419 --> 00:02:14,245 a relationship, a marriage, 58 00:02:15,213 --> 00:02:16,166 something with your job. 59 00:02:17,198 --> 00:02:19,104 So many things. We have so many amazing 60 00:02:19,104 --> 00:02:19,501 blessings, 61 00:02:20,216 --> 00:02:21,804 but there are so many things in our 62 00:02:21,804 --> 00:02:23,630 life. The threaten to steal our joy. 63 00:02:24,918 --> 00:02:25,715 I'm Doris Swift, 64 00:02:26,512 --> 00:02:28,905 Author of the award winning 6 week bible 65 00:02:28,905 --> 00:02:32,014 study, surrender the Joy Steelers red rediscovered the 66 00:02:32,094 --> 00:02:34,423 Jesus joy in you. And it helps women 67 00:02:34,423 --> 00:02:34,923 red 68 00:02:35,542 --> 00:02:38,278 the overflowing ever present Jesus joy within 69 00:02:38,737 --> 00:02:39,376 that fills, 70 00:02:39,936 --> 00:02:40,436 empowers 71 00:02:40,829 --> 00:02:43,144 and ripen the fruit that god produces in 72 00:02:43,144 --> 00:02:43,783 our lives. 73 00:02:44,501 --> 00:02:46,417 Using personal and biblical stories. 74 00:02:47,295 --> 00:02:49,291 I share how you can identify your joy 75 00:02:49,291 --> 00:02:49,610 dealers, 76 00:02:50,423 --> 00:02:52,814 surrender them to God, re awake the joy 77 00:02:52,814 --> 00:02:53,314 within 78 00:02:53,771 --> 00:02:55,285 and share the joy with others. 79 00:02:56,162 --> 00:02:58,408 You can do it on your own, or 80 00:02:58,408 --> 00:02:58,887 with a group. 81 00:02:59,763 --> 00:03:02,393 If you're looking for a bible study for 82 00:03:02,393 --> 00:03:02,951 this summer, 83 00:03:04,306 --> 00:03:05,262 check it out friends. 84 00:03:06,553 --> 00:03:09,346 Surrender the joyce dealers, red the Jesus joy 85 00:03:09,346 --> 00:03:09,745 in you. 86 00:03:10,543 --> 00:03:11,362 It's available 87 00:03:11,740 --> 00:03:13,336 on all the online retailers. 88 00:03:14,229 --> 00:03:15,667 It's time to take your joy back. 89 00:03:18,064 --> 00:03:20,062 Welcome back to the show. Today, I am 90 00:03:20,062 --> 00:03:22,714 so excited to welcome my friend Lisa Granger. 91 00:03:22,953 --> 00:03:24,871 I was on her show. She's on my 92 00:03:24,871 --> 00:03:27,109 show now. It's very exciting and I love 93 00:03:27,109 --> 00:03:29,426 having her. She is a speaker and host 94 00:03:29,426 --> 00:03:32,396 the podcast radio show woman's heart. She's a 95 00:03:32,396 --> 00:03:34,472 wife, mom of 3 grown ups and has 96 00:03:34,472 --> 00:03:37,186 some fur babies too. She wants us to 97 00:03:37,186 --> 00:03:39,980 know. That god has placed something unique in 98 00:03:39,980 --> 00:03:42,795 power full inside every woman's heart. And each 99 00:03:42,795 --> 00:03:44,955 story is worth telling. So by sharing our 100 00:03:44,955 --> 00:03:47,275 stories, we create a space for hope, encouragement, 101 00:03:47,689 --> 00:03:50,241 and real life application, and she is an 102 00:03:50,241 --> 00:03:52,555 encourage. Welcome to the Shelby Lisa. It's great 103 00:03:52,555 --> 00:03:53,272 to have you on. 104 00:03:53,990 --> 00:03:56,862 Thank you, Doris. I'm really excited and honored 105 00:03:56,862 --> 00:03:58,871 to be here. This is so fun. Yeah. 106 00:03:59,190 --> 00:04:00,785 Another sister that I met at the Christian 107 00:04:01,263 --> 00:04:04,055 Communicators conference. Mh. So great conference. Y'all need 108 00:04:04,055 --> 00:04:07,006 to check it out. And so, yeah, I 109 00:04:07,006 --> 00:04:07,506 am 110 00:04:07,899 --> 00:04:09,497 I'm so thankful that we got a chance 111 00:04:09,497 --> 00:04:10,696 to do that. I know we had to 112 00:04:10,696 --> 00:04:12,315 reschedule a little bit. But 113 00:04:13,093 --> 00:04:15,091 so you are such a fun gal, and 114 00:04:15,251 --> 00:04:16,864 I love your radio show and Thank you 115 00:04:16,864 --> 00:04:18,300 so much for having me on that, and 116 00:04:18,459 --> 00:04:20,635 I'll put the link to our show together 117 00:04:20,853 --> 00:04:22,768 in these show notes, so people can check 118 00:04:22,768 --> 00:04:24,459 it out and check out you know, all 119 00:04:24,459 --> 00:04:26,697 the things. And so I would lovely lisa 120 00:04:26,697 --> 00:04:28,055 so, if you would share a little bit 121 00:04:28,055 --> 00:04:29,035 about your story 122 00:04:29,414 --> 00:04:32,290 with our listeners and how you're taking action 123 00:04:32,290 --> 00:04:34,932 where your passion compassion and conviction intersect. 124 00:04:35,568 --> 00:04:39,064 Store where, I am taking action by being 125 00:04:39,064 --> 00:04:39,302 here. 126 00:04:40,017 --> 00:04:41,527 A part of my story, 127 00:04:42,179 --> 00:04:43,857 is that I didn't think my story was 128 00:04:43,857 --> 00:04:45,056 really worth telling. 129 00:04:45,615 --> 00:04:48,732 And because there's nothing really... You know, you 130 00:04:48,732 --> 00:04:51,804 hear testimony using. You have these big grand 131 00:04:51,863 --> 00:04:53,482 stories of miraculous 132 00:04:54,021 --> 00:04:56,758 conversions, and miracles and and all of these 133 00:04:56,818 --> 00:04:59,295 horrible, terrible things. You know, I I grew 134 00:04:59,295 --> 00:05:01,875 up in a regular normal 135 00:05:02,248 --> 00:05:05,344 everyday Christian home. And my parents were good. 136 00:05:05,582 --> 00:05:08,064 They want perfect. So best? Do I have 137 00:05:08,064 --> 00:05:10,305 some things that I work on, yeah. Because 138 00:05:10,305 --> 00:05:11,425 my, parents were human, 139 00:05:11,985 --> 00:05:13,904 and they did the best I could. You 140 00:05:13,904 --> 00:05:15,504 know, just like I did the best I 141 00:05:15,504 --> 00:05:17,916 could. But I just kinda grew up going 142 00:05:17,916 --> 00:05:19,293 to church and 143 00:05:20,149 --> 00:05:23,737 knowing knowing who god was and knowing, you 144 00:05:23,737 --> 00:05:26,541 know, who Jesus was, but there was it 145 00:05:26,541 --> 00:05:28,522 wasn't until I was older that I realized 146 00:05:28,522 --> 00:05:31,533 there's a difference between religion and a relationship. 147 00:05:32,721 --> 00:05:33,221 And 148 00:05:33,529 --> 00:05:35,205 At that point, I was like, oh, wait 149 00:05:35,205 --> 00:05:37,598 a minute. Because growing up, I always kinda 150 00:05:37,598 --> 00:05:39,353 looked at people who was... Oh, they were 151 00:05:39,353 --> 00:05:41,761 saved in their passion. Like, okay. They're kinda 152 00:05:41,841 --> 00:05:43,596 Jesus freaks, and I'm happy for them, but 153 00:05:43,596 --> 00:05:44,632 it's a little too much for me. 154 00:05:45,988 --> 00:05:48,301 And so I was like, okay, You know, 155 00:05:48,541 --> 00:05:50,589 that... That's great. That's great. You know? Because 156 00:05:50,708 --> 00:05:52,057 some... I also I had some friends that 157 00:05:52,057 --> 00:05:53,906 went to a very charismatic 158 00:05:54,357 --> 00:05:57,475 evangelical church. And some of the judgment there 159 00:05:57,863 --> 00:06:00,408 was so severe. I was like, no. I 160 00:06:00,408 --> 00:06:02,872 don't wanna go that route. So it wasn't 161 00:06:02,872 --> 00:06:03,929 until college 162 00:06:04,383 --> 00:06:07,189 that I really kinda started understanding the whole 163 00:06:07,245 --> 00:06:08,849 relationship thing is very, very different. 164 00:06:09,722 --> 00:06:11,867 And so even though I kinda, you know, 165 00:06:12,026 --> 00:06:14,249 grew up. Like I said, I didn't really 166 00:06:14,249 --> 00:06:16,235 think my story was worth telling because there's 167 00:06:16,235 --> 00:06:19,987 nothing Miraculous it's been baby steps all along. 168 00:06:20,225 --> 00:06:22,054 You know, you grow up, and you you 169 00:06:22,054 --> 00:06:24,281 have different things here and there. And then 170 00:06:24,281 --> 00:06:26,528 you have these little marks first. And I 171 00:06:26,528 --> 00:06:28,366 finally was like, well, I don't have a 172 00:06:28,366 --> 00:06:31,344 time when I prayed the prayer. I was 173 00:06:31,643 --> 00:06:34,360 baptized as an infant. I did confirmation, and, 174 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,692 I guess, 6 grade and and the denomination. 175 00:06:36,852 --> 00:06:39,409 I I was in, But I've never... I 176 00:06:39,409 --> 00:06:41,406 can't say on this date at this time 177 00:06:41,406 --> 00:06:42,525 under the tree, 178 00:06:43,256 --> 00:06:45,480 I prayed the prayer and became saved and 179 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,409 my and my life changed. And 180 00:06:47,782 --> 00:06:50,562 I was dating a really cool guy who's 181 00:06:50,562 --> 00:06:52,565 now my husband of, over for 30 years. 182 00:06:52,803 --> 00:06:54,474 And he was like, well, just... If you 183 00:06:54,474 --> 00:06:55,906 feel like you need... Just go ahead and 184 00:06:55,906 --> 00:06:57,870 pray it then. I'm like, okay. So 185 00:06:58,386 --> 00:06:59,977 I mean, I sat on my dorm bed 186 00:06:59,977 --> 00:07:01,567 and pray the prayer, so I could say 187 00:07:01,647 --> 00:07:02,362 I prayed the prayer. 188 00:07:03,237 --> 00:07:05,623 Nothing really changed, you know, it... As that 189 00:07:05,623 --> 00:07:07,554 far. And so you just keep going 190 00:07:08,025 --> 00:07:10,105 and moving on. And as I mentioned, we 191 00:07:10,105 --> 00:07:12,504 were... We dated in college. We got married. 192 00:07:12,745 --> 00:07:15,199 And life was go, we were working with 193 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:18,107 youth group, and I'm like, okay. I've got 194 00:07:18,107 --> 00:07:20,736 the difference between relationship and religion. We had 195 00:07:20,736 --> 00:07:21,873 some wonderful 196 00:07:22,568 --> 00:07:25,131 adult leaders that were helping this out. 197 00:07:25,687 --> 00:07:27,936 And then about a year 198 00:07:28,548 --> 00:07:30,853 into our marriage, year and a half into 199 00:07:30,853 --> 00:07:31,330 our marriage. 200 00:07:31,965 --> 00:07:33,316 I had a 10 year old cousin, 201 00:07:33,809 --> 00:07:35,243 who was killed on a car accident. 202 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,953 And it's 1 of those, you know, you 203 00:07:37,953 --> 00:07:39,945 get the phone call and they'll, like, call 204 00:07:39,945 --> 00:07:40,583 me and you're, like, 205 00:07:41,633 --> 00:07:43,854 you know... You know something's gone horribly wrong. 206 00:07:44,410 --> 00:07:47,028 And they've... She been in an accident, and 207 00:07:47,028 --> 00:07:48,932 with my aunt and my other cousin, 208 00:07:50,138 --> 00:07:50,638 And 209 00:07:51,012 --> 00:07:53,316 we weren't sure what was gonna happen. She'd 210 00:07:53,316 --> 00:07:55,462 had... She'd sustained a lot of trauma, and 211 00:07:55,620 --> 00:07:56,812 I remember going okay. 212 00:07:57,464 --> 00:07:59,222 This is where I'm gonna exercise my faith. 213 00:07:59,462 --> 00:08:01,300 You know, faith of a mustard seed. I 214 00:08:01,300 --> 00:08:04,177 am not gonna doubt. I am going to 215 00:08:04,177 --> 00:08:05,855 believe with every fiber of my being this 216 00:08:05,855 --> 00:08:07,464 she's going to be fine. She's going to 217 00:08:07,464 --> 00:08:09,854 be healed. It's all gonna be fine. I'm 218 00:08:09,854 --> 00:08:11,129 sad I was scared, but no. Faith of 219 00:08:11,129 --> 00:08:12,802 a mustard seat. I kept going over and 220 00:08:12,802 --> 00:08:16,881 over those versus and convincing myself that no. 221 00:08:17,439 --> 00:08:18,954 This was gonna have this was gonna be 222 00:08:18,954 --> 00:08:20,787 okay. I was not gonna doubt. I was 223 00:08:20,787 --> 00:08:22,860 not gonna waiver. You know, all those bible 224 00:08:22,860 --> 00:08:25,105 verses that we like to pull out. And 225 00:08:25,264 --> 00:08:26,932 Slap 1 is a band aid, whether or 226 00:08:26,932 --> 00:08:29,316 they're in context or not. And we use 227 00:08:29,316 --> 00:08:32,097 those and to give ourselves comfort at the 228 00:08:32,097 --> 00:08:32,415 time, 229 00:08:33,304 --> 00:08:34,818 But then when you get the call that 230 00:08:34,818 --> 00:08:35,455 says no, 231 00:08:36,411 --> 00:08:38,801 and it's not happening, and she's brand dead. 232 00:08:39,597 --> 00:08:40,097 And 233 00:08:40,489 --> 00:08:42,325 I really... If it was, like, every fiber 234 00:08:42,325 --> 00:08:44,081 of my faith got ripped out from underneath. 235 00:08:45,039 --> 00:08:46,875 It's and it's 1 thing when you see 236 00:08:46,875 --> 00:08:48,631 other people go through a tragedy. You can 237 00:08:48,631 --> 00:08:49,131 still 238 00:08:49,524 --> 00:08:51,285 put a band aid on it. And I'd 239 00:08:51,285 --> 00:08:52,165 lost grandparents, 240 00:08:53,605 --> 00:08:56,404 and I'd lost, you know, great grandparents. So 241 00:08:56,565 --> 00:08:58,095 I faced it, but the death of a 242 00:08:58,095 --> 00:09:01,199 child is something totally different. Yeah. And for 243 00:09:01,199 --> 00:09:03,928 me, that was really, really hard. And 244 00:09:04,463 --> 00:09:07,422 I remember thinking I had no comfort from 245 00:09:07,422 --> 00:09:07,660 prayer. 246 00:09:08,296 --> 00:09:10,202 I really did not. I was like, you 247 00:09:10,202 --> 00:09:12,528 know, how dare you? I I didn't even 248 00:09:13,379 --> 00:09:15,779 know if I wanted to believe in God. 249 00:09:15,938 --> 00:09:17,136 And here I am I'm supposed to be 250 00:09:17,136 --> 00:09:18,274 leading youth group 251 00:09:18,812 --> 00:09:21,547 with with my husband. And Feel like, hey. 252 00:09:22,005 --> 00:09:24,240 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You do. You kinda you, 253 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,254 like, a year. Believe god. I'm like, yeah. 254 00:09:26,575 --> 00:09:28,014 I'm really I'm not really sure. I believe 255 00:09:28,014 --> 00:09:29,875 in you myself. And 256 00:09:30,254 --> 00:09:30,735 fortunately, 257 00:09:31,215 --> 00:09:33,865 the adult leaders that I had. 2 wonderful, 258 00:09:34,024 --> 00:09:36,566 wonderful ladies. When has gone home to Jesus, 259 00:09:37,598 --> 00:09:39,051 but and now. And 260 00:09:39,584 --> 00:09:41,251 they just said, you know, it's okay. 261 00:09:41,743 --> 00:09:44,050 It's it's okay for you to doubt. It's 262 00:09:44,050 --> 00:09:45,266 okay for you to question 263 00:09:45,721 --> 00:09:47,868 as long as you're still talking to him. 264 00:09:48,838 --> 00:09:50,990 And that that has always stuck with me 265 00:09:50,990 --> 00:09:52,743 no matter what has gone on. And it's 266 00:09:52,743 --> 00:09:54,279 it's okay. And I remember, 267 00:09:54,975 --> 00:09:56,091 in, writing down, 268 00:09:56,664 --> 00:09:58,737 couple of things during that time. Was it 269 00:09:58,737 --> 00:09:59,237 1 270 00:09:59,614 --> 00:10:02,007 was God can handle it. He can handle 271 00:10:02,007 --> 00:10:03,841 it when we go through tough times. He 272 00:10:03,841 --> 00:10:05,436 can handle it when we get angry. 273 00:10:06,009 --> 00:10:08,344 He is not up there on his throne 274 00:10:08,561 --> 00:10:11,135 going, oh, no. She's mad at me. My 275 00:10:11,512 --> 00:10:12,310 chewing his fingernails. 276 00:10:13,028 --> 00:10:14,543 That... That's not what he's doing. He's like, 277 00:10:14,623 --> 00:10:15,261 it's okay honey. 278 00:10:15,835 --> 00:10:16,315 I gotcha. 279 00:10:16,794 --> 00:10:18,794 You can be as... You can rail and 280 00:10:18,794 --> 00:10:20,394 scream at me all you want. 281 00:10:21,355 --> 00:10:23,915 It's okay. I get it. You're you're hurting. 282 00:10:24,409 --> 00:10:27,201 And he's not gonna strike us down for 283 00:10:27,201 --> 00:10:29,274 that because we're still talking to him. 284 00:10:30,072 --> 00:10:31,667 And that's the thing is as long as 285 00:10:31,667 --> 00:10:33,900 we're still talking, we can say, god. 286 00:10:34,314 --> 00:10:35,609 God, This really 287 00:10:36,064 --> 00:10:36,462 stinks. 288 00:10:37,098 --> 00:10:38,950 I don't like this. And 289 00:10:39,882 --> 00:10:42,688 and it's it's okay. So I really had 290 00:10:42,688 --> 00:10:44,126 a lot of comfort with knowing that he 291 00:10:44,126 --> 00:10:46,363 could handle my anger, he could handle my 292 00:10:46,363 --> 00:10:48,441 sadness. He can handle my grief. He can 293 00:10:48,441 --> 00:10:49,320 handle my joy. 294 00:10:49,894 --> 00:10:51,115 God can handle 295 00:10:51,735 --> 00:10:54,375 all of my extreme emotions, and trust me. 296 00:10:54,615 --> 00:10:55,254 I have them. 297 00:10:56,695 --> 00:10:59,821 I have a lot of stream emotion emotions. 298 00:11:00,060 --> 00:11:02,610 I call them my superpower and my k. 299 00:11:03,486 --> 00:11:03,725 Yeah. 300 00:11:05,079 --> 00:11:06,752 You know, When mean you have big emotions, 301 00:11:06,912 --> 00:11:08,522 you can then that can be really good 302 00:11:08,522 --> 00:11:10,836 when they're steering in the right direction, but 303 00:11:10,836 --> 00:11:11,076 when, 304 00:11:11,714 --> 00:11:14,108 maybe they're steering you towards a couple of 305 00:11:14,108 --> 00:11:15,305 rocks sets. Not so great. 306 00:11:16,199 --> 00:11:18,516 But he can handle that. And the other 307 00:11:18,516 --> 00:11:21,094 thing I remember, I was at the beach 308 00:11:21,234 --> 00:11:22,592 and just really grieving. 309 00:11:23,152 --> 00:11:25,010 I and I wrote down that hurt 310 00:11:25,323 --> 00:11:27,709 she was too sweet and too good for 311 00:11:27,709 --> 00:11:28,902 her death to be in vain. 312 00:11:29,539 --> 00:11:31,868 And I really kinda, you know, I'm really 313 00:11:32,259 --> 00:11:34,417 I really did not like that Romans 08:28. 314 00:11:34,576 --> 00:11:36,494 All things worked for good for those who 315 00:11:36,494 --> 00:11:38,491 left the lord. And I'm like, I don't 316 00:11:38,491 --> 00:11:39,450 seem any good coming out out of this, 317 00:11:39,610 --> 00:11:42,482 God. This is not good. I don't know 318 00:11:42,482 --> 00:11:43,829 how... You know, I learned her to rip 319 00:11:43,829 --> 00:11:45,731 that that bible verse out. 320 00:11:46,365 --> 00:11:46,865 And 321 00:11:48,050 --> 00:11:50,370 But at the same time, it was, like, 322 00:11:50,610 --> 00:11:53,410 yeah, I can make something good. It's gonna 323 00:11:53,410 --> 00:11:55,570 be different than what you expected. 324 00:11:56,544 --> 00:11:58,541 But I can still make something good. You 325 00:11:58,541 --> 00:12:00,219 just gotta come along with me and get 326 00:12:00,219 --> 00:12:00,778 out of the way. 327 00:12:01,417 --> 00:12:01,917 And 328 00:12:02,615 --> 00:12:04,870 so that was 1... You know, for those, 329 00:12:05,110 --> 00:12:06,710 that was a big marker for me because 330 00:12:06,870 --> 00:12:08,470 I really kinda had to dig a little 331 00:12:08,470 --> 00:12:10,470 deeper. I think my faith at that point 332 00:12:10,470 --> 00:12:11,750 was a lot more shallow. 333 00:12:12,643 --> 00:12:15,116 And hadn't been really tested. 334 00:12:15,834 --> 00:12:18,069 And when you have something like that, and 335 00:12:18,069 --> 00:12:20,476 you really have to dig deep I read 336 00:12:20,476 --> 00:12:22,309 a couple of books. Some were helpful. Some 337 00:12:22,309 --> 00:12:24,541 were, the 1 that was very helpful for 338 00:12:24,541 --> 00:12:26,214 me is Lee Str wrote a book called 339 00:12:26,214 --> 00:12:27,171 the Case for Christ. 340 00:12:28,222 --> 00:12:31,192 Because I really kinda needed to convince myself 341 00:12:31,490 --> 00:12:32,526 that there was a god, 342 00:12:33,163 --> 00:12:35,529 and and I could pray to him and 343 00:12:35,807 --> 00:12:37,474 and I could believe again. 344 00:12:38,108 --> 00:12:40,885 And that 1 was very, very helpful for 345 00:12:40,885 --> 00:12:43,840 me. And I actually had privilege of speaking 346 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,910 to him. Several years ago before the his... 347 00:12:46,069 --> 00:12:47,821 The movie came out, which was a huge 348 00:12:47,821 --> 00:12:48,321 thrill 349 00:12:48,856 --> 00:12:50,687 for me. But that was very helpful to 350 00:12:50,687 --> 00:12:50,926 me. 351 00:12:51,499 --> 00:12:53,171 And he also wrote a book called the 352 00:12:53,171 --> 00:12:54,866 case for faith, where 353 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,153 at the end, you kinda say you can 354 00:12:57,153 --> 00:12:59,543 have all the arguments you want for your 355 00:12:59,543 --> 00:12:59,782 faith. 356 00:13:00,754 --> 00:13:02,195 But in the end, you have to make 357 00:13:02,195 --> 00:13:02,595 a choice. 358 00:13:03,235 --> 00:13:05,315 Because if you don't want to believe, 359 00:13:05,875 --> 00:13:07,394 you will be able to find evidence. 360 00:13:08,448 --> 00:13:10,679 Of that. You'll be able to find the 361 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,229 evidence of what you are looking for. So 362 00:13:13,229 --> 00:13:15,083 if you want to believe 363 00:13:15,634 --> 00:13:17,806 you can find evidence to believe... There's plenty 364 00:13:17,863 --> 00:13:19,615 of evidence out there. Well, lots and lots 365 00:13:19,615 --> 00:13:23,438 of evidence to believe that Jesus came and 366 00:13:23,438 --> 00:13:25,769 he died He rose again. He is who 367 00:13:25,769 --> 00:13:26,570 he says he is. 368 00:13:27,450 --> 00:13:30,090 But if you're really bound and determined not 369 00:13:30,090 --> 00:13:30,649 to believe, 370 00:13:31,703 --> 00:13:33,956 you will be able to find other questions 371 00:13:34,014 --> 00:13:35,868 that calls you to doubt. And 372 00:13:36,245 --> 00:13:37,839 I've had to come back a couple of 373 00:13:37,839 --> 00:13:39,683 times and go, oh, Lord. I'm not so 374 00:13:39,683 --> 00:13:42,408 sure about this. What's going on. Mh and 375 00:13:42,464 --> 00:13:44,926 and go, but now, I'm choosing to believe. 376 00:13:45,403 --> 00:13:48,104 Yeah. And I'm choosing to believe whether I 377 00:13:48,104 --> 00:13:51,379 feel it whether I see it, whether I 378 00:13:51,379 --> 00:13:51,697 like it. 379 00:13:52,969 --> 00:13:54,105 I'm I'm choosing 380 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,996 to believe and keep going forward. And so 381 00:13:57,996 --> 00:14:00,487 that was that was a big marker in 382 00:14:00,784 --> 00:14:04,289 in my faith journey. And then, you know, 383 00:14:04,448 --> 00:14:05,882 kind of after you do that, I had 384 00:14:05,882 --> 00:14:06,382 kids 385 00:14:06,693 --> 00:14:09,477 I no along. And then now the season 386 00:14:09,477 --> 00:14:11,568 that I'm in is that it's a lovely 387 00:14:11,784 --> 00:14:12,523 empty nest 388 00:14:12,898 --> 00:14:13,216 season, 389 00:14:13,710 --> 00:14:16,429 Oh, I've launched my kids. They are grown. 390 00:14:16,590 --> 00:14:18,669 One's married. One's it's going to be married 391 00:14:18,669 --> 00:14:21,309 next year, the stating a a lovely person. 392 00:14:22,029 --> 00:14:22,529 And 393 00:14:23,003 --> 00:14:24,992 but I had stayed at home for so 394 00:14:24,992 --> 00:14:27,083 long as I... As 1 person 395 00:14:27,537 --> 00:14:29,447 described it, I'm was in my lane, 396 00:14:30,099 --> 00:14:32,097 and then my lane wasn't there anymore. 397 00:14:33,136 --> 00:14:34,654 It kind of, you know, when he get 398 00:14:34,654 --> 00:14:36,572 into the merge where all of a sudden 399 00:14:36,572 --> 00:14:37,072 right 400 00:14:37,530 --> 00:14:38,170 or whatever. 401 00:14:38,982 --> 00:14:40,897 Where where do wire merge I speed up? 402 00:14:41,136 --> 00:14:43,210 I slow down. Which which where what What 403 00:14:43,210 --> 00:14:45,682 what what I do? And, you know, you're 404 00:14:45,682 --> 00:14:48,097 still a mom, but it's different. And 405 00:14:48,568 --> 00:14:51,509 I we... I remember when our son went 406 00:14:51,509 --> 00:14:53,417 off to do a semester of abroad, and 407 00:14:53,417 --> 00:14:55,166 my husband and I taken him to the 408 00:14:55,166 --> 00:14:55,484 airport, 409 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:57,494 and we send him off 410 00:14:57,964 --> 00:15:00,117 And and then our our youngest had gone 411 00:15:00,117 --> 00:15:01,552 off to schools because it was, like, really, 412 00:15:01,712 --> 00:15:04,365 they were they were all gone now. And 413 00:15:04,423 --> 00:15:06,018 we're walking back to the car and I'm 414 00:15:06,018 --> 00:15:06,496 like, well, 415 00:15:07,149 --> 00:15:08,265 He's flying away. 416 00:15:08,823 --> 00:15:09,939 We did our job. 417 00:15:10,816 --> 00:15:11,294 Dang it. 418 00:15:14,084 --> 00:15:16,492 Because it was like this I'm so happy 419 00:15:16,492 --> 00:15:18,568 for him, and I feel like my heart 420 00:15:18,568 --> 00:15:20,404 just got ripped out of my chest at 421 00:15:20,404 --> 00:15:23,517 the same time saying goodbye. And so it 422 00:15:23,517 --> 00:15:26,003 is... It's this bitter sweet. Gosh. You love 423 00:15:26,003 --> 00:15:28,707 watching them fly away. It's so cool to 424 00:15:28,707 --> 00:15:29,207 see 425 00:15:29,661 --> 00:15:31,808 what they're doing and where they're going, and 426 00:15:31,808 --> 00:15:33,796 then you go, but I... Well, my baby's 427 00:15:33,796 --> 00:15:36,196 at home in the nest. Tooling now. But 428 00:15:36,196 --> 00:15:39,217 it's really hard. And feels like so hard. 429 00:15:39,773 --> 00:15:41,522 And and then, like, is said, also my 430 00:15:41,522 --> 00:15:43,288 lane wasn't there, and I'm like, hey. So 431 00:15:43,448 --> 00:15:44,884 I've been a stay home mom, and I 432 00:15:44,884 --> 00:15:46,958 have all these wonderful gifts and talents. I'm 433 00:15:46,958 --> 00:15:49,192 am a smart college educated woman. 434 00:15:50,163 --> 00:15:50,878 Order now. 435 00:15:51,752 --> 00:15:53,919 Yeah. What's my next agenda? 436 00:15:54,373 --> 00:15:55,746 Yeah. What's my next. 437 00:15:56,835 --> 00:15:56,993 Yes. 438 00:15:57,708 --> 00:16:01,779 And Fortunately, I I had I wasn't but 439 00:16:01,779 --> 00:16:02,973 so thrilled at the time. 440 00:16:03,529 --> 00:16:06,155 My husband has the radio station, and he... 441 00:16:06,314 --> 00:16:06,814 Somebody 442 00:16:07,284 --> 00:16:09,442 was leaving. They were going on their own 443 00:16:09,442 --> 00:16:11,280 adventure. They had a wonderful opportunity. And he 444 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,718 was, like, I need some melt right now. 445 00:16:13,437 --> 00:16:15,570 So I came in. I'd done some work 446 00:16:15,688 --> 00:16:17,672 for the station before so I could kinda 447 00:16:17,672 --> 00:16:19,496 come in and and help out. And he 448 00:16:19,496 --> 00:16:20,869 said, hey, I've got this time 449 00:16:21,241 --> 00:16:22,273 on Sunday morning. 450 00:16:22,925 --> 00:16:25,245 And hey, How about... Can I you've? You've 451 00:16:25,245 --> 00:16:27,245 talked about writing and speaking. 452 00:16:27,644 --> 00:16:30,144 I've been the conferences, and and I loved 453 00:16:30,365 --> 00:16:32,059 I love that. We were talking about much 454 00:16:32,139 --> 00:16:34,134 I like going to Conferences and end meeting 455 00:16:34,134 --> 00:16:37,167 people. I just... I really, really enjoy that. 456 00:16:37,886 --> 00:16:39,961 And he said, why don't you do a 457 00:16:39,961 --> 00:16:40,520 show? I was like, 458 00:16:41,894 --> 00:16:43,034 okay. So 459 00:16:43,414 --> 00:16:45,254 I kinda played music and talked a little 460 00:16:45,254 --> 00:16:45,414 bit. 461 00:16:46,134 --> 00:16:47,815 And then a few years in, 462 00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:50,227 kinda was like, I'm wonder if I had 463 00:16:50,227 --> 00:16:52,944 a conversation because I was finding that the 464 00:16:52,944 --> 00:16:54,542 more I wanted to write, even though I've 465 00:16:54,542 --> 00:16:55,741 been doing the show longer. 466 00:16:56,954 --> 00:16:59,032 I... It was taking me longer to prepare 467 00:16:59,032 --> 00:17:00,630 because I was actually going more into depth. 468 00:17:01,270 --> 00:17:03,987 And I had this idea of who, It's 469 00:17:03,987 --> 00:17:06,065 like the more you get to know Jesus, 470 00:17:06,717 --> 00:17:08,384 and the more you get into the Bible, 471 00:17:08,860 --> 00:17:11,401 the more you realize you you don't know. 472 00:17:11,957 --> 00:17:14,180 It's it's like the deeper you go, the 473 00:17:14,180 --> 00:17:15,943 more you realize, oh, my god. Yeah. I 474 00:17:15,943 --> 00:17:18,097 thought I knew everything. I don't know, but 475 00:17:18,097 --> 00:17:18,836 a fraction 476 00:17:19,373 --> 00:17:22,324 of what is there. And and I asked 477 00:17:22,324 --> 00:17:23,839 her I said, how would you like to 478 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:27,598 have a conversation? With me. About that, and 479 00:17:27,598 --> 00:17:29,985 they went, oh, that sounds like a really 480 00:17:29,985 --> 00:17:33,089 neat conversation. Sure. And I had so much 481 00:17:33,089 --> 00:17:35,568 fun. I was like this is so much 482 00:17:35,568 --> 00:17:36,123 more fun, 483 00:17:36,758 --> 00:17:39,320 having a conversation, than I just trying to 484 00:17:39,455 --> 00:17:41,121 come up with something to talk at the 485 00:17:41,121 --> 00:17:41,621 microphone 486 00:17:42,088 --> 00:17:42,644 by myself. 487 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,130 And so I started doing 488 00:17:45,583 --> 00:17:48,204 interviews with different people. And now the show 489 00:17:48,204 --> 00:17:49,736 has grown and 490 00:17:50,284 --> 00:17:53,475 It's on 3 stations. It's on the podcast. 491 00:17:53,635 --> 00:17:55,651 It won't coming up on my 1 year 492 00:17:55,949 --> 00:17:56,188 anniversary. 493 00:17:56,906 --> 00:17:59,637 And So that is that is the very 494 00:17:59,637 --> 00:18:02,434 long answer to my story and where I'm 495 00:18:02,434 --> 00:18:05,630 taking action because actually going out, and it 496 00:18:05,630 --> 00:18:07,737 was a lot easier for me 497 00:18:08,109 --> 00:18:10,592 to have a conversation with someone else because 498 00:18:10,965 --> 00:18:13,400 I was asking them their story because their 499 00:18:13,519 --> 00:18:16,297 story always seemed far more interesting than mine 500 00:18:16,297 --> 00:18:16,456 did. 501 00:18:17,806 --> 00:18:19,155 Because like I said, it just didn't sound, 502 00:18:19,314 --> 00:18:21,775 oh, he grew up in Christian Home. Nothing, 503 00:18:21,934 --> 00:18:23,854 you know, a k. So your 10 year 504 00:18:23,854 --> 00:18:25,282 old cousin died. That's sad. 505 00:18:26,314 --> 00:18:27,663 But for a lot of people that doesn't 506 00:18:27,663 --> 00:18:29,726 seem very traumatic, and, you know, I have 507 00:18:29,726 --> 00:18:30,520 3 grandchildren, 508 00:18:31,489 --> 00:18:33,245 did we have bumps along the road? Did 509 00:18:33,325 --> 00:18:35,001 I... At different times have to put each 510 00:18:35,001 --> 00:18:37,396 in every child's name on the altar and 511 00:18:37,396 --> 00:18:38,993 give them to God? Yes. 512 00:18:40,031 --> 00:18:42,118 But you know, in the grand scheme of 513 00:18:42,118 --> 00:18:43,313 things when you look at a lot of 514 00:18:43,313 --> 00:18:45,623 stories, nothing really exciting. So I was able 515 00:18:45,623 --> 00:18:47,217 to hide behind the mic and share other 516 00:18:47,217 --> 00:18:47,854 people's stories. 517 00:18:48,412 --> 00:18:49,868 So this has been 518 00:18:50,419 --> 00:18:52,597 that stepping out and telling mine 519 00:18:53,296 --> 00:18:56,492 because I did realize no chances are, I'm 520 00:18:56,492 --> 00:18:58,250 not the only ordinary woman. 521 00:18:58,824 --> 00:19:01,767 Who has done what I've done and felt 522 00:19:01,767 --> 00:19:03,756 what I felt, you know, being at home 523 00:19:03,756 --> 00:19:06,540 and struggling with people pleasing and perfectionism and 524 00:19:06,540 --> 00:19:09,042 just getting up tangled up in the Super 525 00:19:09,098 --> 00:19:12,594 cape. Yes. Everything else. So now it's... You're 526 00:19:12,594 --> 00:19:14,421 really kind of going back and un some 527 00:19:14,421 --> 00:19:16,565 of these lies that I've been believing for 528 00:19:16,565 --> 00:19:17,065 years 529 00:19:17,695 --> 00:19:19,134 and it can get really messy. 530 00:19:19,615 --> 00:19:21,375 It can get messy. And I know that 531 00:19:21,375 --> 00:19:23,475 you are, are, as you say a recovering 532 00:19:23,695 --> 00:19:26,674 perfection. Yes. I... Am. I am a recovering 533 00:19:26,815 --> 00:19:28,816 perfection. And some days, I am more recovered 534 00:19:28,816 --> 00:19:31,433 than others. Yeah. Well, you are a fantastic 535 00:19:31,433 --> 00:19:33,099 host. You know, was great being on your 536 00:19:33,099 --> 00:19:34,368 show and you do a great job with 537 00:19:34,368 --> 00:19:36,535 the show. Thank you. And, yeah. And you 538 00:19:36,535 --> 00:19:38,454 can just tell that that is your wheelhouse. 539 00:19:38,615 --> 00:19:40,454 Like, that's what you love and enjoy and 540 00:19:40,454 --> 00:19:41,654 you're gifted in that area. 541 00:19:42,134 --> 00:19:44,190 And when you're... When you're saying that, and 542 00:19:44,309 --> 00:19:46,692 And I appreciate you sharing about the fact 543 00:19:46,692 --> 00:19:47,327 that you're... 544 00:19:48,042 --> 00:19:50,028 In the beginning, you were, like, well, I 545 00:19:50,028 --> 00:19:52,411 really don't have this, like, I used to 546 00:19:52,411 --> 00:19:54,573 live on the streets or you know, I 547 00:19:54,573 --> 00:19:57,366 used to be... Mh. Prostitute... You know, various 548 00:19:57,366 --> 00:19:59,760 kind of stories that tend to drop people 549 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:00,260 in 550 00:20:00,877 --> 00:20:02,669 because of the powerful 551 00:20:03,368 --> 00:20:03,607 transformation, 552 00:20:04,247 --> 00:20:07,303 but knowing that heaven rejoice when 553 00:20:07,922 --> 00:20:09,734 someone comes to Christ is 554 00:20:10,092 --> 00:20:12,872 important and powerful to me. And. But I... 555 00:20:13,030 --> 00:20:14,301 But I love how you shared, 556 00:20:15,016 --> 00:20:16,684 you know, you you felt like your story 557 00:20:16,684 --> 00:20:19,249 was just kind of like an ordinary life 558 00:20:19,637 --> 00:20:22,595 And and mh. The fact being though that 559 00:20:22,730 --> 00:20:23,626 you learned 560 00:20:23,999 --> 00:20:25,212 the difference between 561 00:20:25,822 --> 00:20:27,012 religion and relationship, 562 00:20:27,744 --> 00:20:29,043 That's very powerful. 563 00:20:29,822 --> 00:20:30,881 But then also 564 00:20:31,660 --> 00:20:32,160 the 565 00:20:32,618 --> 00:20:35,335 season of struggling with your faith. 566 00:20:36,229 --> 00:20:38,567 Is a powerful part of your story too 567 00:20:38,866 --> 00:20:40,405 because there are so many 568 00:20:40,784 --> 00:20:44,081 people that feel like, I'm not really allowed 569 00:20:44,221 --> 00:20:44,960 to question 570 00:20:45,433 --> 00:20:47,817 Like, do I permission, and then we see 571 00:20:47,817 --> 00:20:50,224 it. We see lament in the Bible 572 00:20:50,678 --> 00:20:51,234 so often. 573 00:20:52,029 --> 00:20:54,906 You know, David did, And so we see 574 00:20:54,906 --> 00:20:57,315 that God invites us to 575 00:20:57,770 --> 00:20:59,384 sit with him and 576 00:21:00,316 --> 00:21:01,055 tell him 577 00:21:01,765 --> 00:21:03,845 what's on our hearts and to ask for 578 00:21:03,845 --> 00:21:06,164 the truth and to and to ask him 579 00:21:06,164 --> 00:21:08,484 to to help our un unbelievable, sometimes if 580 00:21:08,484 --> 00:21:10,808 we struggle. If there's a struggle. But, like, 581 00:21:10,967 --> 00:21:12,636 when you go through a tragedy or a 582 00:21:12,636 --> 00:21:15,417 loss that's so great and so deep, it 583 00:21:15,417 --> 00:21:17,825 it's very hard sometimes to see 584 00:21:18,294 --> 00:21:19,271 the big 585 00:21:19,885 --> 00:21:20,761 picture story. 586 00:21:21,318 --> 00:21:23,308 Mh. That this is not our home, but 587 00:21:23,308 --> 00:21:24,286 it doesn't make 588 00:21:24,662 --> 00:21:26,688 people feel any more comforted, 589 00:21:27,139 --> 00:21:29,278 you know, knowing that. So ones that are 590 00:21:29,278 --> 00:21:31,972 left behind. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And how you 591 00:21:31,972 --> 00:21:34,526 brought up, but that is fascinating that you 592 00:21:34,526 --> 00:21:35,798 at Least because he... 593 00:21:36,434 --> 00:21:37,410 He's a powerful 594 00:21:38,023 --> 00:21:41,440 voice in the Christian arena and speaking truth 595 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:41,940 and 596 00:21:42,488 --> 00:21:44,470 he was an atheist. Right? And he went 597 00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:44,970 searching 598 00:21:45,422 --> 00:21:48,277 to almost dis disprove Christianity and then came 599 00:21:48,277 --> 00:21:50,125 to be a believer because 600 00:21:50,433 --> 00:21:53,538 couldn't really disprove it. And so and that's 601 00:21:53,538 --> 00:21:55,130 really great. And then the book, and then 602 00:21:55,130 --> 00:21:56,881 it became a movie and the case for 603 00:21:56,881 --> 00:21:57,757 faith also. 604 00:21:58,328 --> 00:22:00,630 And other books that he's written. And that 605 00:22:00,630 --> 00:22:02,693 is really great that you got to meet 606 00:22:02,693 --> 00:22:05,550 him. What an amazing thing We're to on 607 00:22:05,550 --> 00:22:07,470 the phone for the radio stage. Some. Oh, 608 00:22:07,628 --> 00:22:09,453 fun. So he was on the show. So 609 00:22:09,453 --> 00:22:10,881 we can go back. Was that a while 610 00:22:10,881 --> 00:22:11,039 ago? 611 00:22:11,832 --> 00:22:13,950 No. He wasn't on the podcast. This tools 612 00:22:14,387 --> 00:22:15,739 before I started my show. 613 00:22:16,932 --> 00:22:18,681 I'm not sure if we have a recording. 614 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,703 It was basically a live interview on the 615 00:22:21,703 --> 00:22:23,873 air shortly before the movie 616 00:22:24,184 --> 00:22:27,224 came out, and they received an email, and 617 00:22:27,224 --> 00:22:29,785 somebody said, hey. Hey, this this person... Have 618 00:22:29,785 --> 00:22:31,144 you heard of this person? I was, like, 619 00:22:31,719 --> 00:22:33,557 Yes. I've heard of this person and they 620 00:22:33,557 --> 00:22:35,394 were like, so since you've heard of them, 621 00:22:35,554 --> 00:22:37,152 and you actually know them, would you like 622 00:22:37,152 --> 00:22:38,830 to do the interview and, like, yes. 623 00:22:39,801 --> 00:22:42,744 Please. Please let me do this interview. And 624 00:22:42,744 --> 00:22:44,574 so I was able to to talk to 625 00:22:44,653 --> 00:22:46,403 Him. And I do remember saying, okay. So 626 00:22:46,562 --> 00:22:47,357 I've read your book. 627 00:22:48,088 --> 00:22:50,077 And I have to admit. I did not 628 00:22:50,077 --> 00:22:51,429 read the book and go, oh, I can't 629 00:22:51,429 --> 00:22:53,577 wait for the movie to come out. It 630 00:22:53,577 --> 00:22:54,611 it doesn't really, 631 00:22:55,183 --> 00:22:57,330 you don't read it. It... It's like a 632 00:22:57,330 --> 00:22:58,545 chapter by chapter 633 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,544 questions that he had doubts and then as 634 00:23:01,544 --> 00:23:02,441 the investigative. 635 00:23:03,229 --> 00:23:05,300 Journal said he is to dive into it 636 00:23:05,300 --> 00:23:07,950 and talk to expert. So was... He was 637 00:23:08,008 --> 00:23:09,601 talking to experts. And you don't read it 638 00:23:09,601 --> 00:23:11,592 and go. It's not like a story. I 639 00:23:11,592 --> 00:23:13,361 was like, how does this work? How does 640 00:23:13,361 --> 00:23:14,796 this sort of movie out of this book? 641 00:23:14,955 --> 00:23:16,310 So it was more... He said well it's 642 00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:18,065 more of his life? And then, you know, 643 00:23:18,224 --> 00:23:19,260 they talk about the things in the book, 644 00:23:19,420 --> 00:23:21,189 but it's more about his life and the 645 00:23:21,189 --> 00:23:23,267 process of going through that. So... But that 646 00:23:23,267 --> 00:23:24,865 was that was a lot of. I was 647 00:23:24,865 --> 00:23:26,543 like, I have to say, I'm a huge 648 00:23:26,543 --> 00:23:26,862 fan. 649 00:23:27,581 --> 00:23:28,700 Yes. Yeah. 650 00:23:29,194 --> 00:23:30,093 That is 651 00:23:30,471 --> 00:23:33,105 story for sure really is. And but your 652 00:23:33,105 --> 00:23:36,639 story definitely is powerful and sharing those vulnerable 653 00:23:37,017 --> 00:23:39,207 raw parts of it. Because sometimes 654 00:23:39,742 --> 00:23:42,372 I feel like, and we know that there 655 00:23:42,372 --> 00:23:43,429 can be a stigma, 656 00:23:44,044 --> 00:23:45,102 you know, around 657 00:23:45,574 --> 00:23:48,211 saying questioning faith or whatever. You know, especially 658 00:23:48,211 --> 00:23:51,727 if we are serving in the church if 659 00:23:51,727 --> 00:23:53,645 we are teaching. You know, things like that, 660 00:23:54,058 --> 00:23:55,828 if there's questions if there's 661 00:23:56,598 --> 00:23:59,614 trials, you know, that we go through, but 662 00:23:59,614 --> 00:24:01,067 strengthens the faith 663 00:24:01,694 --> 00:24:02,673 rather than... 664 00:24:03,370 --> 00:24:05,844 Because some people turn completely away. 665 00:24:06,322 --> 00:24:07,142 But then 666 00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:08,897 there are those 667 00:24:09,689 --> 00:24:12,719 testimonies that they go completely off the rails 668 00:24:12,719 --> 00:24:15,032 and come back. So it is it is 669 00:24:15,032 --> 00:24:18,062 healthy to have those conversations into help people 670 00:24:18,062 --> 00:24:18,801 to see 671 00:24:19,114 --> 00:24:22,470 that they have permission to share what's on 672 00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:25,026 their heart and when they're going through something 673 00:24:25,026 --> 00:24:25,766 very difficult 674 00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:28,019 you know, loss grief that 675 00:24:28,639 --> 00:24:30,240 those become, like, the dark note of the 676 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,440 soul. I mean, it is Heavy stuff, and 677 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,460 it it causes people to question 678 00:24:36,174 --> 00:24:38,008 but it it is so much better to 679 00:24:38,008 --> 00:24:39,386 be real about it 680 00:24:39,763 --> 00:24:40,263 than 681 00:24:40,641 --> 00:24:42,714 being, you know, oh, I got it together. 682 00:24:42,794 --> 00:24:45,687 Everything's fine. Like you said, you were 683 00:24:46,239 --> 00:24:48,312 trying to kind of convince yourself. 684 00:24:49,109 --> 00:24:51,023 Well, as long as I have a mustard 685 00:24:51,023 --> 00:24:52,936 seed of faith, it's gonna be fine. It's 686 00:24:52,936 --> 00:24:55,739 gonna be fine, and then sometimes our prayers 687 00:24:55,739 --> 00:24:58,382 aren't answered in the way that we would 688 00:24:58,755 --> 00:25:00,739 hope or we would want them to be 689 00:25:00,739 --> 00:25:02,270 answered, but it doesn't mean 690 00:25:02,739 --> 00:25:05,842 they're not answered. They're they're answered in a 691 00:25:05,842 --> 00:25:08,548 different way and standing on that burst that 692 00:25:08,548 --> 00:25:10,060 you mentioned Romans 08:28. 693 00:25:10,871 --> 00:25:13,677 Working all things together for good. Things 694 00:25:14,290 --> 00:25:16,857 come of it that bear fruit 695 00:25:17,231 --> 00:25:19,242 even in tragic circumstances, 696 00:25:20,109 --> 00:25:22,429 which it's it's hard, and it's not easy, 697 00:25:22,589 --> 00:25:25,069 like we can't sugar coat that stuff. We 698 00:25:25,069 --> 00:25:27,569 live in a broken world, A broken world 699 00:25:28,125 --> 00:25:30,924 that, you know, wasn't really what we were 700 00:25:30,924 --> 00:25:32,125 designed to live in in the first place. 701 00:25:32,284 --> 00:25:34,684 Like, this is not really what we were 702 00:25:34,684 --> 00:25:36,924 designed to live in. Mh. That's not god's 703 00:25:36,924 --> 00:25:37,619 designed, but 704 00:25:38,057 --> 00:25:40,202 But the hope is that we have, you 705 00:25:40,202 --> 00:25:41,871 know, with the hope in Christ, you know, 706 00:25:42,030 --> 00:25:43,404 the hope that Jesus 707 00:25:44,732 --> 00:25:46,345 redeem everything and 708 00:25:46,814 --> 00:25:49,758 it's a beautiful love story and helping people 709 00:25:49,758 --> 00:25:51,532 because you help people see 710 00:25:52,067 --> 00:25:55,193 Mh. What... How how to read the bible 711 00:25:55,330 --> 00:25:57,820 better? How to try to understand things. Like 712 00:25:57,820 --> 00:25:59,180 you said, it's hard to understand there's so 713 00:25:59,180 --> 00:26:01,420 many facets to it, but that is 1 714 00:26:01,420 --> 00:26:04,790 continuous story. So Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I'd 715 00:26:04,790 --> 00:26:08,057 love to you dive in and what you 716 00:26:08,057 --> 00:26:10,367 saw in it at 1 point in 1 717 00:26:10,367 --> 00:26:10,766 season. 718 00:26:11,339 --> 00:26:13,253 You can read it in a different season 719 00:26:13,253 --> 00:26:15,907 and go, oh, there's another whole way 720 00:26:16,364 --> 00:26:18,517 of of looking at it. I mean, you 721 00:26:18,517 --> 00:26:20,352 can look at it through so many different 722 00:26:20,352 --> 00:26:20,852 lenses. 723 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,779 And and such. And, you know, when we 724 00:26:23,779 --> 00:26:26,499 were talking about... I'm reminded that 725 00:26:27,188 --> 00:26:28,242 today is an interesting 726 00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:30,627 1 of the other lessons that I've learned 727 00:26:30,627 --> 00:26:33,025 is there's the power of and. And being 728 00:26:33,025 --> 00:26:34,942 able to hold things both at the same 729 00:26:34,942 --> 00:26:35,262 time. 730 00:26:35,902 --> 00:26:37,795 And, you know, as we're talking about 731 00:26:38,312 --> 00:26:40,699 today, I'm reminded there's 2 different things going 732 00:26:40,699 --> 00:26:43,246 on. There's... There was a prayer request for 733 00:26:43,246 --> 00:26:45,634 a little boy that was... They weren't sure 734 00:26:45,634 --> 00:26:46,748 if he was willing to make it. 735 00:26:47,479 --> 00:26:49,224 And it looks like he is. And we're 736 00:26:49,224 --> 00:26:51,605 like, yes. God. Thank you. This is a 737 00:26:51,605 --> 00:26:54,223 miracle, yay. Praise, God. This is awesome. 738 00:26:54,794 --> 00:26:56,628 And at the same time, there was a 739 00:26:56,628 --> 00:26:57,686 funeral for, 740 00:26:58,461 --> 00:26:59,657 somebody that was my kids age. 741 00:27:00,535 --> 00:27:01,970 And you're like, and you're like, but they 742 00:27:01,970 --> 00:27:03,006 didn't get their miracle. 743 00:27:03,658 --> 00:27:05,888 And I remember feeling like, well, I want 744 00:27:05,888 --> 00:27:08,833 my miracle. Where's my miracle? And... But he's 745 00:27:08,833 --> 00:27:11,221 still there. And so you kinda having a 746 00:27:11,221 --> 00:27:12,990 whole both of these, you, sometimes you get 747 00:27:12,990 --> 00:27:14,186 the miracle that you want. 748 00:27:14,824 --> 00:27:17,135 And you go praise, God, he's there, God 749 00:27:17,135 --> 00:27:18,650 answers prayer. But what do you tell the 750 00:27:18,650 --> 00:27:19,846 person? This is what I prayed, 751 00:27:20,418 --> 00:27:22,565 further the this, and I didn't get it. 752 00:27:23,201 --> 00:27:24,870 Know and you're like, it's not as easy 753 00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:26,619 to go, praise God. You didn't get what 754 00:27:26,619 --> 00:27:26,937 you want. 755 00:27:28,304 --> 00:27:31,731 So holding those both and going, God is 756 00:27:31,731 --> 00:27:35,556 still in both situations. Yeah. And even though 757 00:27:35,556 --> 00:27:38,204 it's you do have the answer of no. 758 00:27:39,162 --> 00:27:42,035 He's still there, and he's still comforting, and 759 00:27:42,035 --> 00:27:44,051 he works through the 760 00:27:44,364 --> 00:27:46,917 the Cam in the community that wrapped around 761 00:27:46,917 --> 00:27:49,093 land and uncle was truly amazing 762 00:27:49,551 --> 00:27:52,916 to see. It really was just it really 763 00:27:52,916 --> 00:27:55,304 was god. Just coming together and and people 764 00:27:55,304 --> 00:27:57,772 coming out and and helping. And so you 765 00:27:57,772 --> 00:27:58,670 look at those 766 00:27:59,284 --> 00:27:59,603 situations, 767 00:28:00,414 --> 00:28:03,134 and and Guy can use that in so 768 00:28:03,134 --> 00:28:05,534 many ways to to touch us. And and 769 00:28:05,615 --> 00:28:07,794 I love how he can get very creative 770 00:28:07,934 --> 00:28:10,417 if we allow him to and to for 771 00:28:10,417 --> 00:28:12,740 us to be the hands and feet when 772 00:28:12,795 --> 00:28:14,539 somebody comes to your mind and you go, 773 00:28:15,253 --> 00:28:16,387 because there was somebody 774 00:28:16,933 --> 00:28:19,154 that lost someone it was around Easter. And 775 00:28:19,154 --> 00:28:20,503 I was like, okay. What do I what 776 00:28:20,503 --> 00:28:22,566 what do what do I do? And it 777 00:28:22,566 --> 00:28:24,153 occurred me It was around Easter. They probably 778 00:28:24,153 --> 00:28:26,393 hadn't had any time to prepare. Mh. And 779 00:28:26,393 --> 00:28:28,938 so I put together Easter baskets for. Oh, 780 00:28:29,495 --> 00:28:31,325 and she was like, oh, my gosh. Thank 781 00:28:31,325 --> 00:28:32,438 you. And Was like, that was a god 782 00:28:32,438 --> 00:28:33,632 thing. I wouldn't have thought of the Easter 783 00:28:33,632 --> 00:28:35,473 basket. Thing. Yeah. That was that was a 784 00:28:35,473 --> 00:28:37,934 god. Please told me something that I can 785 00:28:37,934 --> 00:28:38,434 do 786 00:28:38,807 --> 00:28:41,188 that that will... That they need, and it 787 00:28:41,188 --> 00:28:42,617 was like Easter basket. And I was like, 788 00:28:43,346 --> 00:28:45,012 Okay. I'm going about chocolate and baskets. 789 00:28:46,044 --> 00:28:48,265 Yeah. And he can just... He can do 790 00:28:48,265 --> 00:28:50,114 that. He can work through 791 00:28:50,486 --> 00:28:50,986 us 792 00:28:51,454 --> 00:28:54,082 to do that, and and I I just 793 00:28:54,082 --> 00:28:55,515 love how we can be creative. 794 00:28:55,913 --> 00:28:57,984 Yeah. And it I love that you brought 795 00:28:57,984 --> 00:29:00,624 that up because sometimes we might tend to 796 00:29:00,624 --> 00:29:02,923 think that the things that God puts on 797 00:29:02,923 --> 00:29:06,491 our heart aren't big enough, Like Mh. Easter 798 00:29:06,491 --> 00:29:09,131 baskets. You know, Like, I guess. Sometimes people 799 00:29:09,131 --> 00:29:11,685 will have huge fundraiser raise for the family 800 00:29:11,685 --> 00:29:14,478 or in a different other ways, but all 801 00:29:14,478 --> 00:29:15,915 the ways are meaningful. 802 00:29:16,328 --> 00:29:16,988 And purposeful. 803 00:29:17,363 --> 00:29:19,592 And sometimes this... Even the smallest ways of 804 00:29:19,592 --> 00:29:21,502 things that we might think as it's just 805 00:29:21,502 --> 00:29:23,913 a small thing. Like, maybe helping them 806 00:29:24,464 --> 00:29:26,063 wash their dishes or clean the house or, 807 00:29:26,142 --> 00:29:27,901 you know, things like that, bring a meal, 808 00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:30,718 things that seem simple are the 809 00:29:31,177 --> 00:29:34,548 huge blessings you know, to those who are 810 00:29:34,548 --> 00:29:35,927 struggling or need 811 00:29:36,705 --> 00:29:38,543 because it's more than just what you're doing. 812 00:29:38,703 --> 00:29:40,881 It's it's an active love 813 00:29:41,194 --> 00:29:43,115 and it's an active showing that they're not 814 00:29:43,115 --> 00:29:45,994 alone and that God sees them too because 815 00:29:45,994 --> 00:29:47,755 it's in the name of of Christ. You 816 00:29:47,755 --> 00:29:49,369 know, it's the name of Jesus. So that 817 00:29:49,449 --> 00:29:51,362 God sees them and they're not alone in... 818 00:29:52,479 --> 00:29:54,733 So... And I love to that you're sharing 819 00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:57,343 the fact that you're in the season, the 820 00:29:57,343 --> 00:29:58,141 empty nest season. 821 00:29:58,793 --> 00:29:59,293 Because 822 00:29:59,750 --> 00:30:02,539 there are seasons in our lives that change, 823 00:30:03,177 --> 00:30:05,488 but God has something for us in every 824 00:30:05,488 --> 00:30:08,376 season and We don't have to stress or 825 00:30:08,376 --> 00:30:09,754 worry that we're not 826 00:30:10,132 --> 00:30:11,729 doing what he's calling us to do. Or 827 00:30:11,729 --> 00:30:14,842 we're missing it. God opens the doors in 828 00:30:14,842 --> 00:30:17,812 his timing and when we're ready because sometimes 829 00:30:17,812 --> 00:30:19,970 we're not ready to step into something. He's 830 00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:23,106 still equipped and preparing us for what yeah 831 00:30:23,486 --> 00:30:25,579 patient by nature. So, I mean, I want 832 00:30:25,579 --> 00:30:27,900 everything done. Perfect. I want it done perfectly, 833 00:30:27,980 --> 00:30:30,140 and Want it done right now. And so 834 00:30:30,140 --> 00:30:31,500 this whole podcasting thing. 835 00:30:32,314 --> 00:30:35,030 Technology is not necessarily my strength. I'm like, 836 00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:37,187 really more, I'm happy to talk to people 837 00:30:37,187 --> 00:30:38,705 but don't make me learn how to do 838 00:30:38,705 --> 00:30:39,677 stuff on web science. 839 00:30:40,393 --> 00:30:42,462 Oh, guess what, I've never never told God 840 00:30:42,462 --> 00:30:43,257 never. Yeah. 841 00:30:44,053 --> 00:30:46,599 Never do that. Yes. And so I, you 842 00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:49,556 know, this whole struggling that it that perfectionism 843 00:30:49,556 --> 00:30:51,146 in me. It's like, oh, I wanna be 844 00:30:51,146 --> 00:30:52,815 able to jump in and know exactly what 845 00:30:52,894 --> 00:30:54,882 I'm doing right away, and it's like, no 846 00:30:54,882 --> 00:30:56,486 nope. You're gonna have to and work on 847 00:30:56,486 --> 00:30:58,154 this 1 a little bit and lean into 848 00:30:58,154 --> 00:30:58,654 me 849 00:30:59,187 --> 00:30:59,687 and 850 00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:01,990 just trust me and just 851 00:31:02,603 --> 00:31:04,842 delight in learning new things. Ever every day. 852 00:31:05,161 --> 00:31:05,399 So... 853 00:31:06,195 --> 00:31:07,945 Yeah, that is so important, and it's kind 854 00:31:07,945 --> 00:31:10,331 of like, to have a teachable spirit and 855 00:31:10,331 --> 00:31:12,978 to realize that we don't have it all 856 00:31:12,978 --> 00:31:14,916 together all the time. We don't know everything, 857 00:31:15,375 --> 00:31:17,452 but it is it is something that God 858 00:31:17,452 --> 00:31:20,025 will help us with, like, you know, during 859 00:31:20,025 --> 00:31:22,025 the day, We... When we are in Christ, 860 00:31:22,184 --> 00:31:23,865 and we know him, and he's our Lord 861 00:31:23,865 --> 00:31:25,805 and Savior, and we have 862 00:31:26,265 --> 00:31:28,845 the power of the holy spirit in dwell 863 00:31:29,477 --> 00:31:31,940 you know, ind wells us says, you know, 864 00:31:32,099 --> 00:31:32,893 he's our helper. 865 00:31:34,006 --> 00:31:35,539 And we will be able to 866 00:31:35,913 --> 00:31:38,076 do what he calls us to do. And 867 00:31:38,076 --> 00:31:40,066 it's... You know, it's not gonna be, you 868 00:31:40,066 --> 00:31:42,612 know, like, people take that scripture. I can 869 00:31:42,612 --> 00:31:44,204 do all things through Christ. Well, yes, 870 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:45,557 we can. 871 00:31:46,208 --> 00:31:48,194 But not taking out of context, You know, 872 00:31:48,273 --> 00:31:49,568 we're not going to 873 00:31:50,180 --> 00:31:52,563 be, you know, climb out Everest. Maybe that's 874 00:31:52,563 --> 00:31:53,914 not... I mean, we probably could do it. 875 00:31:54,073 --> 00:31:57,705 If the Lord called we trained and prepared 876 00:31:57,924 --> 00:32:01,144 for it. Because, yeah, I actually think somebody 877 00:32:01,845 --> 00:32:03,285 had a coffee mug that said I can 878 00:32:03,285 --> 00:32:05,772 do all things through a bible verse taken 879 00:32:05,772 --> 00:32:06,409 out of context. 880 00:32:07,046 --> 00:32:07,444 And 881 00:32:08,797 --> 00:32:10,150 and, you know, the whole idea of, you 882 00:32:10,150 --> 00:32:11,503 know, I've, oh, I can do all things 883 00:32:11,503 --> 00:32:11,901 in Christ. 884 00:32:12,473 --> 00:32:14,382 Chances are I'm not gonna become a professional 885 00:32:14,382 --> 00:32:17,405 basketball player. Yeah. You know what? I haven't 886 00:32:17,405 --> 00:32:17,905 trained 887 00:32:18,757 --> 00:32:19,257 am 888 00:32:19,648 --> 00:32:20,048 challenged. 889 00:32:21,643 --> 00:32:24,915 Yeah. I cannot jump very high. So it's 890 00:32:24,915 --> 00:32:26,771 not that god can 891 00:32:27,085 --> 00:32:29,025 you know, we can do anything and everything 892 00:32:29,085 --> 00:32:31,644 we feel like. It's what he's called us 893 00:32:31,644 --> 00:32:33,265 to do. Yeah. And 894 00:32:33,724 --> 00:32:35,244 that is something too or it's like, 895 00:32:35,975 --> 00:32:38,360 and maybe it's something I could do, but 896 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,301 there's somebody else better, and there's something better 897 00:32:41,301 --> 00:32:43,527 for me. And just because I can do 898 00:32:43,527 --> 00:32:45,533 it. It doesn't mean that that what I 899 00:32:45,533 --> 00:32:46,651 am supposed to do. 900 00:32:47,369 --> 00:32:50,083 So... Because I know for me, boundaries are 901 00:32:50,083 --> 00:32:51,440 1 of those things that, 902 00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:53,915 you know, boundaries are a good thing. 903 00:32:54,408 --> 00:32:56,240 But sometimes they can be hard to learn 904 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,651 where they are established and 905 00:32:59,425 --> 00:33:01,655 where it is and building a boundary versus 906 00:33:01,655 --> 00:33:02,531 building a wall. 907 00:33:03,183 --> 00:33:03,683 Because 908 00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:07,411 I could easily hide behind a wall or 909 00:33:07,411 --> 00:33:09,484 a mask of looking like I had it 910 00:33:09,484 --> 00:33:10,782 all together and 911 00:33:11,159 --> 00:33:12,196 inside I'm a hot mess. 912 00:33:13,008 --> 00:33:13,167 Said, 913 00:33:13,961 --> 00:33:16,184 there... There's all those little things I... 914 00:33:17,058 --> 00:33:18,646 I know it's as a parent or as 915 00:33:18,646 --> 00:33:20,552 a person. There's so many lines that we 916 00:33:20,552 --> 00:33:20,710 walk. 917 00:33:21,443 --> 00:33:24,633 In between that, you know, that we're very 918 00:33:24,633 --> 00:33:26,228 easily can go to 1 side or the 919 00:33:26,228 --> 00:33:28,063 other. We wanna have live a full life. 920 00:33:28,302 --> 00:33:29,578 We want it, but we don't want it 921 00:33:29,578 --> 00:33:30,695 to go busy in k. 922 00:33:31,349 --> 00:33:33,109 You know, we wanna have a deep rich 923 00:33:33,109 --> 00:33:33,750 prayer life, 924 00:33:34,309 --> 00:33:36,710 but we don't wanna be... There's the the 925 00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:38,390 saying or the cliche. We don't wanna be 926 00:33:38,390 --> 00:33:41,441 so heavily minded We're so earthly good. Mh 927 00:33:41,521 --> 00:33:43,592 And, you know, it's some so many times 928 00:33:43,592 --> 00:33:45,765 that balance and the the rhythm 929 00:33:46,142 --> 00:33:48,771 in life, and I remember looking at it 930 00:33:48,850 --> 00:33:51,093 I have an antique scale. In in my 931 00:33:51,093 --> 00:33:51,331 house. 932 00:33:51,965 --> 00:33:54,028 And looking at it, when you look even 933 00:33:54,028 --> 00:33:55,219 at an all time you scale, 934 00:33:55,774 --> 00:33:57,852 you look at there's the center bar and 935 00:33:57,852 --> 00:34:00,074 then there's the 2 bars out that then 936 00:34:00,074 --> 00:34:02,137 hold the scale and you're like, that's a 937 00:34:02,137 --> 00:34:04,279 cross in the middle of it. Oh, wow. 938 00:34:04,835 --> 00:34:05,564 And Yeah. 939 00:34:06,199 --> 00:34:07,944 There's a cross. And then if you look 940 00:34:07,944 --> 00:34:10,086 at an old and timing skill with the 941 00:34:10,086 --> 00:34:11,832 little things that go bounce back and forth, 942 00:34:12,228 --> 00:34:12,942 there's a cross. 943 00:34:13,513 --> 00:34:15,183 It doesn't always stay that way. It kinda 944 00:34:15,183 --> 00:34:17,886 shifts back and forth. And I remember looking 945 00:34:17,886 --> 00:34:20,112 at it, and it's like, balance doesn't mean 946 00:34:20,112 --> 00:34:22,671 that everything is equal. But Sometimes you go 947 00:34:22,671 --> 00:34:25,133 back and forth. It it doesn't always mean 948 00:34:25,133 --> 00:34:26,801 equal because, you know always, I want just 949 00:34:26,801 --> 00:34:29,422 the right balance in my life. Well, sometimes 950 00:34:29,422 --> 00:34:31,663 that balances, I need a little more sleep, 951 00:34:32,061 --> 00:34:33,893 or maybe I need a little more exercise 952 00:34:33,893 --> 00:34:36,204 or maybe I, you know, need some girlfriend 953 00:34:36,204 --> 00:34:37,797 time. Maybe I need some loan time. 954 00:34:38,609 --> 00:34:40,043 Maybe I need to work a little harder. 955 00:34:40,282 --> 00:34:41,716 I had to come back in late last 956 00:34:41,716 --> 00:34:43,548 night, finished up something because it needed to 957 00:34:43,548 --> 00:34:46,655 get done. So, you know, it's that rhythm 958 00:34:46,655 --> 00:34:48,684 in in that balance at work constantly 959 00:34:49,141 --> 00:34:52,011 constantly working on. Mh. Yeah. That's such a 960 00:34:52,011 --> 00:34:55,360 great point. You know, that balance doesn't necessarily 961 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,955 also mean what we think. It should mean. 962 00:34:57,368 --> 00:34:59,353 You know, and how how we balance things 963 00:34:59,353 --> 00:35:01,919 because it might be the weight will be 964 00:35:02,452 --> 00:35:05,391 heavy on 1 side for a certain time. 965 00:35:05,947 --> 00:35:06,685 And then 966 00:35:07,234 --> 00:35:09,387 the scales will chip the other way. Mh. 967 00:35:09,626 --> 00:35:11,381 And that doesn't mean we're not balanced. It 968 00:35:11,381 --> 00:35:14,014 means we're working on things at different times 969 00:35:14,014 --> 00:35:15,609 as we need. As we need them as 970 00:35:15,688 --> 00:35:18,646 God brings it to us. Yeah. When you 971 00:35:18,646 --> 00:35:20,313 walk in that little tight rope, you're you 972 00:35:20,313 --> 00:35:21,900 kinda of doing looking forth. 973 00:35:22,773 --> 00:35:24,996 Yeah. Because and we're and we're made for 974 00:35:24,996 --> 00:35:25,496 community 975 00:35:26,043 --> 00:35:27,498 were made to 976 00:35:27,952 --> 00:35:28,850 to desire 977 00:35:29,225 --> 00:35:31,555 and long and hunger for community 978 00:35:32,248 --> 00:35:32,748 and 979 00:35:33,619 --> 00:35:35,377 God is the only 1 that can fill 980 00:35:35,377 --> 00:35:37,454 the void in our heart that we need 981 00:35:37,454 --> 00:35:39,372 to have community with him in relationship with 982 00:35:39,372 --> 00:35:41,450 him. And, what a blessing, 983 00:35:41,944 --> 00:35:43,535 and a plus that we get to be 984 00:35:43,535 --> 00:35:45,705 part of his church and to 985 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,648 come a community with others who 986 00:35:49,197 --> 00:35:49,697 also 987 00:35:50,070 --> 00:35:52,213 believe the same as we do that are 988 00:35:52,213 --> 00:35:55,467 brothers and sisters in Christ, but together, we 989 00:35:55,467 --> 00:35:56,602 work to 990 00:35:57,055 --> 00:35:57,372 share... 991 00:35:57,944 --> 00:36:00,494 The love of Christ with others in the 992 00:36:00,494 --> 00:36:03,921 gospel, and it's so powerful and fulfilling. But 993 00:36:03,921 --> 00:36:06,643 as we said earlier, Yeah. You you won't 994 00:36:06,643 --> 00:36:09,106 be on the basketball or, you know, sharing 995 00:36:09,106 --> 00:36:11,117 that with other players, 996 00:36:11,650 --> 00:36:13,080 I can share from the sidelines. 997 00:36:13,493 --> 00:36:15,322 Right? It doesn't mean you can't. Like you 998 00:36:15,322 --> 00:36:16,993 said, it doesn't mean the weight... You know, 999 00:36:17,152 --> 00:36:18,505 he gives us the desires of our heart. 1000 00:36:18,664 --> 00:36:19,697 Okay. I always loved. 1001 00:36:20,349 --> 00:36:23,221 The piano. And I finally, in my adult 1002 00:36:23,221 --> 00:36:25,294 years, I got hold of a piano. I 1003 00:36:25,294 --> 00:36:27,607 started taking lessons, and then later on and 1004 00:36:27,847 --> 00:36:29,521 Laid it down, picked it up again later, 1005 00:36:30,334 --> 00:36:32,637 but it really isn't something. I'm not called 1006 00:36:32,637 --> 00:36:35,813 to be a worship leader or aunt even 1007 00:36:35,813 --> 00:36:37,480 play an instrument on the worship team. But 1008 00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:38,989 I enjoyed it so much, 1009 00:36:39,465 --> 00:36:40,298 but that 1010 00:36:40,909 --> 00:36:43,209 I had the opportunity to do it because 1011 00:36:43,209 --> 00:36:45,905 it lost me, but it wasn't necessarily something 1012 00:36:45,905 --> 00:36:47,596 that was going to be 1013 00:36:48,063 --> 00:36:49,653 my calling kind of thing. 1014 00:36:50,369 --> 00:36:52,118 Okay. Which so I want ask you to 1015 00:36:52,118 --> 00:36:54,186 accompany me when I sing on Sunday. Okay. 1016 00:36:55,776 --> 00:36:57,739 Please don't. No, But I I used to 1017 00:36:57,859 --> 00:36:59,693 play, you know, I would play a a 1018 00:36:59,693 --> 00:37:00,570 tune. I would learn. 1019 00:37:01,447 --> 00:37:02,963 I got up to, like, some of the 1020 00:37:02,963 --> 00:37:05,674 higher books and played some of the bigger 1021 00:37:05,674 --> 00:37:06,174 pieces. 1022 00:37:07,204 --> 00:37:09,284 But the thought of me sitting down and 1023 00:37:09,284 --> 00:37:11,364 doing it now doesn't mean I can't do 1024 00:37:11,364 --> 00:37:13,764 it, but it means I'm gonna have to 1025 00:37:13,764 --> 00:37:15,784 work harder at it, and 1026 00:37:16,339 --> 00:37:19,213 It doesn't come natural to me. So... And... 1027 00:37:19,452 --> 00:37:21,847 But then again, God also calls us to 1028 00:37:21,847 --> 00:37:23,842 step out of our comfort zone to step 1029 00:37:23,842 --> 00:37:24,641 out in face. 1030 00:37:25,294 --> 00:37:26,882 In what he wants to do in our 1031 00:37:26,882 --> 00:37:27,938 lives. And, 1032 00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:30,456 you know, we may be equipped ahead of 1033 00:37:30,456 --> 00:37:32,362 time all along the way or he may 1034 00:37:32,362 --> 00:37:35,478 equip us as we go and that, like, 1035 00:37:35,637 --> 00:37:37,148 on the job training? Yes. 1036 00:37:37,784 --> 00:37:39,693 On the job training is right. And little 1037 00:37:39,693 --> 00:37:42,054 bit by little bad. Little by little. So 1038 00:37:42,333 --> 00:37:44,561 So for the listener today, you know, not 1039 00:37:44,561 --> 00:37:47,427 to be discouraged if you feel like you're 1040 00:37:47,427 --> 00:37:48,541 not bearing fruit. 1041 00:37:49,178 --> 00:37:51,860 Sometimes we don't see it right away, but 1042 00:37:52,059 --> 00:37:54,055 are some of the encouraging things that you 1043 00:37:54,055 --> 00:37:55,113 would wanna share 1044 00:37:55,571 --> 00:37:58,285 with whoever's listening right now, who may be 1045 00:37:58,285 --> 00:38:00,280 struggling with their faith who may be going 1046 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,600 through a very difficult season. What is some 1047 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,141 encouragement that you can share with them today, 1048 00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:05,697 Lisa? 1049 00:38:06,411 --> 00:38:09,349 I would say just keep talking to god. 1050 00:38:10,158 --> 00:38:12,464 Just keep those lines of communication open. 1051 00:38:13,418 --> 00:38:15,668 Just keep talking to them him, keep going 1052 00:38:16,122 --> 00:38:19,541 and remember that you are enough in him. 1053 00:38:20,114 --> 00:38:20,614 And, 1054 00:38:21,073 --> 00:38:22,991 you know, really on our own, we we 1055 00:38:22,991 --> 00:38:25,388 aren't... It's it's through Christ, but he loves 1056 00:38:25,388 --> 00:38:27,067 us just the way we are. He doesn't 1057 00:38:27,067 --> 00:38:28,585 say we have to clean up our mess. 1058 00:38:29,078 --> 00:38:30,055 And get right 1059 00:38:30,588 --> 00:38:33,290 before he loves us. He... You know, no 1060 00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:34,188 matter what 1061 00:38:34,562 --> 00:38:36,231 you have done no matter what you've struggled 1062 00:38:36,231 --> 00:38:38,485 with whether you are a hot mess today 1063 00:38:38,485 --> 00:38:39,844 or whether you are looking sharp, 1064 00:38:40,644 --> 00:38:43,465 it doesn't matter. He would love to take 1065 00:38:43,525 --> 00:38:46,015 his hand, take take your face in his 1066 00:38:46,015 --> 00:38:48,246 hands and look you deep in the eyes 1067 00:38:48,246 --> 00:38:50,398 and say, I love you. You were the 1068 00:38:50,398 --> 00:38:52,605 apple of my eye. You are my beloved 1069 00:38:52,963 --> 00:38:55,110 I rejoice over you was singing. 1070 00:38:56,144 --> 00:38:57,417 And it's okay. 1071 00:38:57,974 --> 00:39:00,297 It's... He just... He loves a right where 1072 00:39:00,297 --> 00:39:03,249 we are, whether we've completed our to do 1073 00:39:03,249 --> 00:39:03,749 list 1074 00:39:04,206 --> 00:39:04,923 or not. 1075 00:39:05,562 --> 00:39:08,752 And to just keep taking another step, because 1076 00:39:08,752 --> 00:39:10,282 he'll nudge he does. 1077 00:39:10,839 --> 00:39:12,512 He... If we just sit and go a 1078 00:39:12,512 --> 00:39:13,627 killer, what do you want me to do, 1079 00:39:14,025 --> 00:39:15,937 it may be bring an Easter basket, and 1080 00:39:15,937 --> 00:39:17,610 it maybe be do a text. And maybe 1081 00:39:17,610 --> 00:39:20,335 be, you know what? Have a conversation, start 1082 00:39:20,335 --> 00:39:23,444 having conversations into a podcast and learn how 1083 00:39:23,444 --> 00:39:25,278 to put the blog posts on your website. 1084 00:39:25,757 --> 00:39:27,671 It it may be just something small, but 1085 00:39:27,671 --> 00:39:30,641 just keep taken a step, keep those lines 1086 00:39:30,641 --> 00:39:32,260 of communication open 1087 00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:35,776 with guide and remember that he 1088 00:39:36,235 --> 00:39:38,556 adore you. And not just as an acquaintance, 1089 00:39:38,794 --> 00:39:40,800 he really wants to get to know you 1090 00:39:40,856 --> 00:39:42,838 and have you get to know him? Yeah. 1091 00:39:43,472 --> 00:39:46,113 Well, that is powerful and I love that 1092 00:39:46,113 --> 00:39:49,070 because it's encouragement and an action step for 1093 00:39:49,070 --> 00:39:51,468 people who take an action step and just 1094 00:39:51,468 --> 00:39:53,066 to reach out to god. I mean, there 1095 00:39:53,066 --> 00:39:53,886 are countless 1096 00:39:54,996 --> 00:39:57,771 testimonies and stories of people sharing, even when 1097 00:39:57,771 --> 00:40:00,228 they didn't believe god was there or they 1098 00:40:00,228 --> 00:40:00,728 questioned 1099 00:40:01,814 --> 00:40:03,900 their they're at a low point and they 1100 00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:05,894 cry out to him any he answers. 1101 00:40:06,771 --> 00:40:09,324 So I would just say, yeah, as Lisa 1102 00:40:09,324 --> 00:40:11,637 has said, if you're struggling today, 1103 00:40:12,529 --> 00:40:14,044 cry out to god, talk to him. 1104 00:40:14,682 --> 00:40:16,676 Even if you don't believe he's there. Even 1105 00:40:16,676 --> 00:40:18,271 if you don't know if he's there or 1106 00:40:18,271 --> 00:40:19,867 not. But, like, I don't know if you're 1107 00:40:19,867 --> 00:40:21,483 there the work or not, but 1108 00:40:22,274 --> 00:40:24,367 of a conversation, and 1109 00:40:24,903 --> 00:40:27,373 and it is grace through faith. We're saved. 1110 00:40:28,090 --> 00:40:28,807 So just do it. 1111 00:40:29,699 --> 00:40:32,174 Just just say, just talk, talk to him 1112 00:40:32,174 --> 00:40:33,771 them. So thank you for that, Lisa. It's 1113 00:40:33,771 --> 00:40:36,485 so encouraging. And I just love this time 1114 00:40:36,485 --> 00:40:39,040 together. You have shared so many wonderful things 1115 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,283 and and I'd want people to check out 1116 00:40:41,283 --> 00:40:43,112 your show. It's fantastic, 1117 00:40:43,669 --> 00:40:46,056 and you're a great host, and I hope 1118 00:40:46,056 --> 00:40:47,894 that you can come on the show again. 1119 00:40:48,132 --> 00:40:49,876 I would love to have him back. I 1120 00:40:49,876 --> 00:40:51,936 would love that. I would love that. Look 1121 00:40:51,936 --> 00:40:53,442 forward to seeing you sometime soon. 1122 00:40:54,015 --> 00:40:57,454 Sounds good, friend. Alright. Well, you are just 1123 00:40:57,454 --> 00:40:59,614 an amazing moment of God, and God bless 1124 00:40:59,614 --> 00:41:02,102 you and your ministry. In your family, and 1125 00:41:02,261 --> 00:41:03,772 I will be talking to you soon. 1126 00:41:04,488 --> 00:41:06,158 Yes. Blessings to you as well. 1127 00:41:07,748 --> 00:41:09,657 Thank you so much for listening today, and 1128 00:41:09,736 --> 00:41:10,824 I hope that you 1129 00:41:11,261 --> 00:41:14,434 really glean from Lisa and enjoyed what she 1130 00:41:14,434 --> 00:41:16,655 had to share and that you will check 1131 00:41:16,655 --> 00:41:19,295 out a woman's heart. With Lisa Granger. I 1132 00:41:19,295 --> 00:41:20,889 have the links in the show notes for 1133 00:41:20,889 --> 00:41:23,302 you, and she also has a free download 1134 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:25,991 8 versus of hope on her site, and 1135 00:41:26,070 --> 00:41:27,594 I had the link to that in the 1136 00:41:27,594 --> 00:41:30,550 show notes too, and I also linked the 1137 00:41:30,604 --> 00:41:33,298 episode that I did with Lisa on her 1138 00:41:33,298 --> 00:41:33,456 show. 1139 00:41:34,268 --> 00:41:37,323 Simple power of surrendering the Joy dealers. So 1140 00:41:37,382 --> 00:41:39,218 think on the good things like Philippines 4 1141 00:41:39,218 --> 00:41:41,214 8 tells us to think on. So so 1142 00:41:41,214 --> 00:41:43,130 let's do that friend. Let's make sure that 1143 00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:43,505 we 1144 00:41:43,940 --> 00:41:45,446 just stand on the truth. 1145 00:41:46,714 --> 00:41:49,251 Because there's so much crazy town stuff going 1146 00:41:49,251 --> 00:41:51,730 on right now in our world and Let's 1147 00:41:51,730 --> 00:41:54,130 just keep our eyes focused on Jesus. 1148 00:41:54,769 --> 00:41:56,210 The author and finish of our faith, 1149 00:41:56,769 --> 00:41:57,269 and 1150 00:41:57,889 --> 00:41:59,010 the Jesus to the world, 1151 00:41:59,570 --> 00:42:02,465 even when things are going crazy. And, you 1152 00:42:02,465 --> 00:42:04,625 know, we do though need to stand for 1153 00:42:04,625 --> 00:42:05,684 truth and 1154 00:42:06,945 --> 00:42:07,985 to share it in love. 1155 00:42:08,704 --> 00:42:09,605 And so 1156 00:42:09,999 --> 00:42:12,551 grace and truth. That's a really, really tough 1157 00:42:12,551 --> 00:42:14,248 balance. Jesus did it perfectly, 1158 00:42:14,864 --> 00:42:16,300 and we can try it. We're never gonna 1159 00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:18,235 be perfect at it, but 1160 00:42:18,613 --> 00:42:20,539 we're called to do that. We're called to 1161 00:42:20,539 --> 00:42:22,920 share truth, and that's actually loving people. 1162 00:42:23,476 --> 00:42:23,976 So 1163 00:42:24,746 --> 00:42:27,128 anyway, I just... I love the show today, 1164 00:42:27,605 --> 00:42:29,929 and I hope you will join me next 1165 00:42:29,929 --> 00:42:31,690 time when I talk with another woman who's 1166 00:42:31,690 --> 00:42:35,130 taking action or her passion, compassion and conviction 1167 00:42:35,130 --> 00:42:35,630 intersect 1168 00:42:36,010 --> 00:42:38,423 until then friend, have a blessed geek. And 1169 00:42:38,583 --> 00:42:39,378 I'll talk to you soon. 1170 00:42:45,835 --> 00:42:48,059 Thank you for listening to this episode that 1171 00:42:48,059 --> 00:42:50,522 is part of the Spark media network that 1172 00:42:50,522 --> 00:42:52,667 can now be heard on the Edi app.