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You're listening to fly by night. A podcast

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by Fedex Pilots for Fedex Pilots.

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Brought to you by the Fedex Master Executive

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Council of the Airline Pilots Association. And now

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here's your host Nec Communications chair, Captain Chris

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lee. My guest today is scheduling committee chair,

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Captain Marty Harrington. Welcome back, Marty. Thanks, Chris

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back again.

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We're getting closer and closer to the October

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bid month,

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Has management relayed anything to you about the

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flight schedules?

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Short answer is no.

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Back in April, April first, 01:24.

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I'm reading now from Justin Brown.

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He wrote now is the time to look

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ahead. The end of the current Usps agreement

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on 09/29/2024

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will necessarily lead to system form changes when

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we discontinue providing service for the Usps

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and implement a more flexible and efficient domestic

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network.

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Our business operation teams have been evaluating and

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planning for this possible contingency through the negotiations

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process.

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We will communicate about these network adjustments in

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the coming months as we move closer to

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the conclusion of the agreement.

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We are 3 months later,

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and we have had no information from management.

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On what system form look like

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come October. So he mentioned a more flexible

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and efficient domestic network.

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And as of now, you have no clue

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what that means.

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No.

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I have received no information about the October

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flight schedule from management

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at all, 0.

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In an earlier podcast, you mentioned even some

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of the planners over there had to sign

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Nda

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Correct?

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Why asked that exact question that they didn't

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sign

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an Nda?

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They received an email saying, you will not

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disclose any of this information to anyone outside

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that's not on the email thread.

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And because of that now, there's rumors that

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you or the Ps

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have signed an Nda.

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In 25 B it talks about privileged information

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that we receive in the course of doing

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business.

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18 19 years ago when I first joined

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as a reviewer for the Ps t signed

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an Nda. All the reviewers

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sign an Nda prior to moving up into

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a builder. So everyone that's part of that

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process, signs an Nda.

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On the information that we gained during the

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course of Build week

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we don't disclose that. So there could be

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something about a appearing and it could end

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up changing. Are we get it fixed or

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we dispute in the dispute process.

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We don't wanna jeopardize any of that process.

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So I signed an Nda

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18 years ago about Sig information for Build

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week.

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And that said, party, you haven't received any

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information on the October build and just can't

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talk about it.

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I have received no information on the October

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system form changes.

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Well, Marty, when

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is the company required to let you know

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what's going on in October?

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As we talked about previously,

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our process is a 13 day process. We

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get preliminary pairing.

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Later on, we get final pairing after a

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conference call,

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the bid month

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for October opens on September t. We will

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get the pre for October on August 20

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third.

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Once again, I've lob to management,

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we would like to be in that process

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prior to their obligated date of August 20

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third, we wanna be able to be in

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the process of building those pairing.

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If you recall back when we would did

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the Sunrise sort,

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Those preliminary pairing they were just dropped on.

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We didn't get through review them. We didn't

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get screened them prior to. We had more

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than 90 disputed pairing that month.

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We got a resolution afterwards, but we had

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to go through steps. We had disputes. We

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had conference calls on the disputes. We explained

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to the pilots why we're disputing this we

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don't want that to happen again. We would

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like to see ahead of time, what they're

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planning

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so that if there's fatigue issues. If there's

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build ability issues,

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anything that goes into building the bid pack.

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We would like to get a head start

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instead of seeing that

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on their obligated date of August 20 third.

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And when the Sunrise soared issue happened, it

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created a significant amount of work.

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Absolutely. And and the pilots we had a

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conference call,

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I think there were hundreds of pilots on

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that conference call and we had and we

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explained to them why we're doing it. The

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reason,

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and I think we got a fair

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fix afterwards, but it took time after we

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had to live with those disputed pairing for

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at least a month before we got a

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resolution to that.

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On a previous podcast, we talked about extra

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pairing in the Md 11 that dropped into

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open time.

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And now we've had 50 plus pairing in

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the triple 7 drop into open time,

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which always

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raises the concern that management's is trying to

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drive the same dam. Can you talk about

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that some?

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We address this on the md

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The c... The corporation is operating differently now

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post Covid than they did pre Covid.

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Changes are coming more and more frequently as

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they try and maximize

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the airplanes that we have, utilization. We definitely

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have the the staffing to cover,

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increased credit hours.

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But in this 1, we went back

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The dart we received talked about oh they're

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trying to artificially lower the sam.

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And I wanna tell all the pilots.

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We track the sam very closely.

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We had our agreement with the corporation on

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how they actually calculate the Sam. And if

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the company does try and if manipulate the

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Sam,

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I will be the first person to know

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about it.

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The 200 or so credit hours have popped

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into open time,

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would only move the Sam a tenth of

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a percentage point, up or down, 200 hours.

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You need more, roughly 2000 credit hours to

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actually move that number an hour up or

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down.

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Overall system wide, we have over 200000

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credit hours, so 200 is really just a

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small fraction of that. So we're monitoring it,

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and the only real number every pilot needs

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to be

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concerned with is 64.

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Right now, the Sam is around 69.

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months, that's the trigger

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that goes into 42 c. We're not anywhere

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near that right now.

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Well, let's talk about the build week now.

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You're in town for the August field. How's

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that going?

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August is a 5 week.

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We're not big fans of 5 week builds.

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They're usually little awkward because we tried to...

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It's hard to build week on week off

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was reasonable to build lines with

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month over month... Now this is a trend

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we've seen. I've seen the past 3 months.

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And back to the whole why the things

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change so much. Why are they changing so

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much

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throughout the whole process.

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The same things happened every month.

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I would say thousands of hours more than

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what we get in the pre.

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month over month, it was roughly flat, but

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the premiums had us down a percentage point.

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the finals. Same thing in July, we were

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2 and a half percent lower in July

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than were in June, and that ended up

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only being 1 percent decrease.

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The premiums for August, they were down,

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month over month, and they ended up actually

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increasing by half a percentage point.

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we're really flat, roughly only a couple thousand

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hours point down from January. I would say

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we're in that range, which we've been in

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outside of the March pop, which I talked

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remained steady.

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So far, we've seen no loss in the

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postal freight

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as we've been told by management,

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we have that contract up until the last

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day of the contract, and I have seen

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no drop off in any postal flying as

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of today.

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The India flying the India triangle that we

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lost in the Md

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as we've talked about before that has gone

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away.

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that was created in pairing. And now it's

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part of the bid pack, we we continued

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to see that operate and be placed on

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we lost some with the India triangle.

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airport and hotel standby in the system. Can

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you talk about that?

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hotel standby lines.

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We were asked about it, we just weren't

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given a definite answer on the removal whether

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it's gonna be permanent or not.

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The reason they removed for July because we

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didn't have any indy night hub turn pairing,

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and there was no need to back that

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up with an Indy hotel standby.

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Those type of changes I see happening time

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and time again.

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another. We had a question asking about airport

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standby

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System form changing the Airbus is not even

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flying out to the West Coast as often

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as it used to, so they don't require

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standby anymore. They moved it to, I believe

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a a Dallas standby.

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These changes are gonna continue throughout.

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probably see much larger changes come the fall.

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sequences as the company moves the flying around.

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now for efficiencies? Or do you think part

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of the plan for October.

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Previously, the company was very,

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say conservative changing things.

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Covid impacted that, and I think the new

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leadership

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at the higher level has changed that. I

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think they're trying to change things to be

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more cost efficient.

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we used to see. And like I said,

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even the volatility on the this the flight

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schedule.

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We get the pre,

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a week later we get the finals and

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we start building lines with them. When we

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get the finals,

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as we're working with the finals on our

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software,

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they go to trip services and they put

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the trip services and hotels on the pairing

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at that point in time.

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But if we wanted to change a pairing

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this week on Monday,

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it's really too late. When we get the

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finals,

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Most of the time the finals are the

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pairing we get in the bid pack.

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But behind the scenes things still change,

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we could get ed flying here or there

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The secondary line process takes roughly 5, 6

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days.

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In that process, they when they take the

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snapshot, They're very limited on changes to pairing

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at that point in time. So when we

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see pairing just drop in open time when

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open time release happens,

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During that week, there's no changes to pairing,

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and then the pairing... It seems like, oh,

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they just came out when open time comes

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out. But their software

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is a bit inflexible.

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Any updates on the retirement and resignation?

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In June, we had 19

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retirement

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and 2 resignation. The resignation as we've said

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in the past podcast, have gone down from

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a high,

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the end of 23, down to

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past couple months, 3, 3 last month was

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2 and June had 2 as well. So

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total,

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we had 21 pilots

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leave the property.

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What feedback are you getting on your new

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scheduling app? We've gotten some good feedback, would

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like to see more people try it? I

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think

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I'll be around during Me week. I'd like

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to show some pilots how that operates and

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how it functions. It's really a neat tool

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for pilots to use. There's a lot in

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there about fatigue and how to assess fatigue

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as well.

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So I'd like to see a more pilots

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use the app. A couple things that we

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did get feedback to, Josh Carter, the creator,

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the app.

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He immediately fixes these issues right away. He's

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stellar programmer,

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and we're happy to have him working for

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us. In several of these podcasts, we've talked

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about the anchorage to butte. Can you give

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us an update?

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Absolutely.

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So today, we had a meeting

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following the Cb

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myself,

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the Chairman, Jose Ne, my vice Chairman, Mike

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P, we met with Robin Seb sebastian, Andrew

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Mini,

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and Abby Jake.

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So we went down 25

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b dot f. Final resolution of scheduling disputes

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sig neutral track.

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And this meeting is to try and come

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up with a solution to this dispute.

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We brought our case in front of the

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system cheap pilot,

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and I am optimistic we will get a

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resolution to this dispute.

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I say it every podcast. As of right

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now,

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we don't have it in writing for management,

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but I believe we're gonna get something soon.

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And I believe it will help the pilots

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in the

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issues and pairing design that we've seen up

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in anchorage.

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Another popular question we have on the podcast

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deals with upcoming system bids. Any updates?

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We talked to the planning department just this

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week,

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and the rumored,

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October system bid

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is a new rumor. That rumor is that

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system bid is moved back a month

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to September.

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there is still no

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bids set yet. So things can change. I

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wanna say that. But it sounds like they'll

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be expanding the Md d 11 role.

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The plan and previously was to retire all

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the Md 11 by the end of fiscal

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year 28.

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We see that date being pushed back to

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the right So they're gonna have to staff

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the Md 11

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as it continues to thrive in the international

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environment.

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So

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the September date would

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give the company

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the ability to put people into training

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beginning of January.

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And I believe right now, that is what

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they're considering

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is having the bid in September versus October.

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And also,

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I mentioned to management, I said, well,

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if you're having a bid in September,

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another reason why we need to see the

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October flight schedule ahead of time. We don't

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want a bid that month

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where it's the first month and then we

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don't get see the pairing and maybe some

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are disputed or not or we have issues.

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We wanna give the pilots. The most information

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they can have to bid

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and to

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effectively plan their future here at Fedex. And

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if they're now considering a September bid,

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that could be even more evidence, they know

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where this is headed,

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and they should share that information with you.

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Absolutely. I've said this in the past and

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I feel terrible. I'm as frustrated as every

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other pilot.

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Pilots need to know ahead of time. And

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I will continue to advocate for the pilots

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to get this information sooner than later. I

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like to know ahead of time what's going

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to happen and I don't know right now.

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But when we get this information, I will

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have it out to the pilots immediately. We

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do this podcast month over month, when I

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find out the information, it will directly go

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out to the pilots when I know.

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Well, thanks, Marty. And thanks for listening. If

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you have any questions, please go to our

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website, FDX dot apple dot org and utilize

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the dart link. And as always, be safe

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out there and we'll see you next time.