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Some Christians believe that in an end times

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rapture events, young children automatically go to heaven

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but what about the older kids? Older kids

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like the at teen rebels who disobey their

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parents and won't go to church and reject

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Jesus.

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Well, left behind the kids explore the exploits

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of the young tribulation force, and it was

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adapted for its own fantastic dramatic audio series

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by today's guest, darby recurring.

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Speculative fiction like no other genre

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reflects the creativity of god. If you look

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at the scriptures, you're gonna have to see

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that God uses

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imagination more than rash on this course.

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We are supposed to be image bearer

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for a vastly creative god.

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Reading fans has

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fiction opened a portal in my

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imagination for a place other than just a

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materialistic world.

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I experienced the gospel story with the mind

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of someone who loved adventure and loved the

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idea of light conquering darkness.

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We're wired for stories that reflect how we

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see the world in ways that are true.

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The story is either pointing to christ or

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it's pointing to our need for christ.

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Welcome back to fantastical truth, the scrappy young

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podcast from lore haven dot com in which

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we explore fantastical stories for god's glory. And

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Burnett burnett a publisher of Laura Haven, and

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I'm the author of a new science fiction

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adventure novel releasing next year from On play

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publishing.

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And I'm Zachary Russell and 1 of things

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I've always liked about the left behind series,

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especially in the tribulation force book 2,

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is that the main characters had jobs? They

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knew the world was gonna end, but they

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still went to work And I've always wondered

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about the teenagers did they go to school?

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We're gonna explore that today in an if

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it's episode 220.

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How did the left behind kids?

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Audio drama, speed run the tribulation, and we're

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gonna be joined by Darby Ke.

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On just a few episodes ago, we talked

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with Chris Fab, the main author there for

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almost all the left behind the kids novels.

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Jerry Jenkins brought him in as backup, and

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they did a tag team effort to make

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40 books

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in this best selling series for older kids

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and teenage readers. There wasn't audio drama about

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that. And the audio drama

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brought this story to life in a very

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different way. I still remember the high points

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of this audio drama, a fantastic cast and

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crew similar to the left behind dramatic audio

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series for grown ups. But the kids themselves

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also got a series. It was about the

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half the length half the episodes But our

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next guest is the 1 who helped to

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put that all together. And today, we're going

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to celebrate

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the joys of rebelling

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against the antichrist. Because you know, Zach teen

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rebellion, well, that's not good. You know, you

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don't want rebel against your parents, but

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anti authoritarianism comes in handy when the authority

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taking over the world happens to be the

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most satanic evil dictator, the global ever known.

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Yep. I totally would have been in the

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anti carp

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league of my high school. If they allowed

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it as a recognized club, but I doubt

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it because as we all know, all school

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are run by the Evil government. And in

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the future it'll be run by Nikola nikolai

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carp

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himself from Babylon. Yeah. That part's actually aging

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pretty well, actually. Hey.

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1 of the famous elements of the tribulation

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of biblical times prophecies is the 4 horsemen

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of the apocalypse. The fourth horse is the

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pale horse of death, which kills by various

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means including plague, which makes me think of

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Some viruses go after the body but the

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nightmare virus goes after the mind.

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When dream technology goes wrong, a virus spreads

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across the globe trapping people in a universal

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dreams scape. They call it the nightmare virus.

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Hen cross is determined to find a cure

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if he can decipher his brother's chicken scratch

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formula notes.

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But when he gets infected, he has only

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22 days until he's trapped in the mental

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prison forever.

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Now every time he falls asleep, he must

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fight in a nightmare arena,

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until he earns his freedom to live in

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the new world that exists only in the

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mind.

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Then he finds a way to manipulate the

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nightmare, but change it by mere thought.

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Forced to navigate a world of night beasts,

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mis blades, and half truths,

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kain turns his focus to survival. Will he

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continue searching for a cure or will he

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swear allegiance to the nightmare?

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Well, Zac, our guest is on time in

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the studio, but he must have started journey

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several hours ago because that giant turtle outside

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is creeping ever closer, and I think he's

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on its back.

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Darby C, the creator of the Jake Mueller

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Adventures has just arrived in the studio and

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he's parked his giant turtle out side in

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the specific turtles only parking space. He's been

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a restaurant manager, medical writer, occupational health coordinator,

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a pharmacist, a soda jerk

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Now he an award winning filmmaker and the

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writer of hundreds of radio dramas including left

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behind the kids left behind the rising.

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Kids corner back to God, lap lighter theater,

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and Heir room audio the extraordinary

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adventures of Ga a hen.

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Is the writer of several stories and dramas

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for the abide app and he lives in

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Title town Usa, where he works as a

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freelance, writer and part Time Turtle Writer, RIDER,

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Darby. Welcome back to the Laurie Studios. Thank

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you. I'm so glad to be here today.

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turtle. Yeah. He's outside resting comfortably. Resting comfortably.

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1 of these. It's rather prehistoric, but fantastical

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but it's mostly fantastical go plagues and fantastical

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plot lines, and of course, you have now

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somehow Jesus returned. You've moved on also to

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the Jake Mu adventures and you've got a

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first off Darby, we're gonna go pre mid

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left behind post left behind, your intersection with

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this series going back to the late nineties

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early hundreds. First, I want to know pre,

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imagination and then eventually playing in the left

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hearing in the gospel, hearing the word being

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wasn't until later when I actually made a

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a decision, made a choice to follow Christ

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with my life. And that was actually long

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career in the restaurant business

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as I have so far had I stayed

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in that because it was

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on the couch in our house. It's was

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the middle of the night. I waiting for

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him to come back. Expecting him at, like,

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07:00, and he got it a 2 in

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the morning. So I'm asleep on the couch,

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cassette

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by my head, which

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with. When I woke up, I looked at

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it and it was a gang,

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old time radio show. And

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was growing up, he listened to Gang buster,

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and the machine guns and all that. So

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on 1 of those trips.

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John Gill and Ralph F as Sherlock Holmes

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and Doctor Watson, it created a a love

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of audio drama of voice acting,

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which I'm not great at, but I'm so

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much better than I used to be. And

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and audio drama. So

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the medium

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and wanted to do more and more in

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that. But in America, it wasn't happening. In

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the 19 eighties, early 19 eighties Npr,

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the Star Wars radio drama, which

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Cds right over here. Most people don't even

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Youtube recently and found a way to play

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for my kids so they could get there

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star Wars radio. I'll say. I'll be the

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1 who said it is... There was a

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Star Wars radio drama. Lads?

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a couple dollars.

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Perry King who

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auditioned to be hand solo back in 19

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76 or whatever, played hand solo in the

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radio. Right. It was pretty good. It's

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almost archaic. The way we, you know, have

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stuff now, but it was storytelling and went

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into the story deeper than the movie's good

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in 2 hours.

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It just did a dynamite job with it.

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So that

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helped my my love of audio drama.

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But at the same time, there was another

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show that they played And this isn't in

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the early 19 eighties, and the show was

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on the Bbc back in the fifties.

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And it was called the Goo show. I

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don't know if you guys have ever heard

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of it, but most people in America have

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not, but it's where Peter Sellers got started.

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Guy him Spiked Mill wrote it all, Another

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guy, Harry Si. It was just these 3

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guys

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and they played every voice. Peter Sellers did

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probably over 20 voices for the show.

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But it was insane comedy. Because these guys

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had just been through World war 2, and

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there was a whole generation of people that

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really just needed the laugh.

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And Spike was... I think Spike actually was

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insane. I think all 3 of them were,

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but they really

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created this these

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pictures for you in your mind, and it

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showed me

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what audio drama could do.

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And I mean, they would they would drive

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a piano across the desert.

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They would take the the Albert Memorial and

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flight to the moon. You know? Oh, it's

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I mean, it's su

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insane and and impossible, but it created the

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picture. So I really started getting into that.

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So the 3 dramas you mentioned, each of

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them sounds a little familiar. Gang there, obviously,

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some crime and punishment and, action thriller type

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stuff. The next 1, the Star wars audio

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drama, a cosmic battle between a good and

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evil. And then this last 1, the the

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Goo thing,

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some comedy in there. Kanye as well. So

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all 3 of those darby sound like your

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take on the left behind the kids

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series or or the kids left behind if

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you listen to the announcement at front.

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I'm curious then how you went from being

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AAA Christian and an audio drama fan, to

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also being a nerd, you know, someone with

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all those graphic novels on yourselves,

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having an appreciation for paranormal legends and some

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of the issues that Jake Mueller's gonna take

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on, like, what where does your story lead

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there? It was part of my search for

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good writing,

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especially script writing

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and, on television, and some of the better

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stuff and maybe the early 19 nineties was,

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like, the x files

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a show that at times was really good

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and at other times is really bad. I

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like this huge universe they were creating,

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Chris Carter was creating, and they had some

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writers on there that were fantastic.

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And

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it really created a mythology that ran through

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everything that was to me interesting. And I'm

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using a lot of that

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type of writing in Jake Mueller.

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Part of it was, and you guys can

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probably attest to this. There were so many

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bad Christian movies.

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And most of that started at the script

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level. It was just the storytelling was bad.

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I wonder if they ever wrote a second

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draft of any screen play.

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Christian movie before

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the resurrection of Gavin Stone. I I don't

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know. But I wanted to do better. And

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I thought Christians can do better and we

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should be doing better. Bill Hyde, who produces

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the

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extraordinary ventures of G hen. This phrase came

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up several times and sometimes he said it

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and sometimes I did, but Christians seem to

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do things 5 years later and not as

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good.

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And we were determined to turn that around.

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You know, left behind when when I first

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read the book, I I enjoyed it. Mid

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19 nineties take on what might happen in

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the future. Then I found out that Todd

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Bust in Gap digital. We're producing the audio

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dramas. So I sent him an email and

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just said, hey, you're doing exactly what I'd

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love to be doing. How does a fat

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kid in Wisconsin get to be part of

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this. He sent me an email back

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in the middle of the night, it's like,

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03:00 in the morning. I remember. I don't

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know I remember that, But

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he's he said, well, if you're interested,

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you know, do this for me. And he

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gave me an audition.

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He liked what he read, but he didn't

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have anything for, you know, a couple of

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years, but I kept calling him and bugging

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him saying, yeah. Hey. I have an idea

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how to do the underwater stuff in in

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Nick nikolai and soul harvest. You too. My

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suggestion is for the demon locusts in Op

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poly.

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And then I felt really vin indicated when

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it sounded just like I'd imagine.

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It isn't that the best too. I mean,

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that's audio drama. You you know, it creates

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the picture in your head and, you know,

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you were right on with the with that

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idea? I was not. Had you already done

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some some audio work before the left behind

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series. Nothing professional. Just stuff that we recorded

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on a on a a track recorder in

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a friend's basement. And it's funny now because,

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I always

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sort of

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you know, cast the 3 guys who recorded

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something in their basement. And then they released

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it on the Internet. But that's kinda what

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we were doing without the Internet part. We

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didn't release anything.

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And a lot of acting in college and

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and

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doing live radio shows sometimes.

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I I think when I heard

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the left behind radio show,

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It wasn't like, oh, my gosh. I could've

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done that better because Chris did a great

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job with that. Chris and Todd both did

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a great job, and I was more thinking

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How can I be part of this? How

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does... How do I gl onto to this?

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At the time it came out? I think

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there were already 2 books and they were

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talking about 6 at the time, and then

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it became 12, and then 15 or 16.

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But I saw that train, you know, kinda

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pulling out of the station. I like, oh,

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how do I get on that? Because it's

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gonna pick up speed. I wanted to be

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part of it, and, you know, finding something

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that you wanna be a part of that

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is also

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designed to glorify God.

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Those opportunities don't come around as often as

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you like. Even today, So that was a

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that was a big step and a cold

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call to get your first big gig. That's

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pretty cool. Yeah. So in this case, then,

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the left behind grown up series train has

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left the station and now has ultimately 12

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stops until the end, at least the end

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of the tribulation when spoiler alert somehow Jesus

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returned.

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In book 12, which released 20 years ago,

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which is why we're celebrating the left behind

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legacy series today with this series.

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Darby though, when did you first learn that

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there might be an opportunity for this spin

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off series

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left behind the kids and that dramatic audio

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adaptation.

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Todd emailed me, and

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he just had 1 question. He said, do

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do you think you can write for kids?

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And,

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of course, the answer was yes.

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And I just use... I'd figure I'll just

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use a lot of hyper and a lot

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of slang. And the kids will get into

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that, and it will sound

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the same. How do you do fellow kids?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And at the time, I was 31,

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I think. So I was working with younger

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people all the time.

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And I was part of a improv comedy

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group

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that

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you know, we we had to keep up

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with the trends and the language and the

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you know, the c colloquially

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language of the day.

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And

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it was...

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Not too bad.

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I don't know. You tell me. How did

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it sound did it sound real? Okay. I

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have opinions on this because I remember being

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a rest.

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I... Know. I remember being impressed by the

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left behind the kids series

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because obviously, the bar been raised very high

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by the grown up series. And although I

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was more casually familiar with those books, I

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think it was actually man your sister was

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reading that the kids series.

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I remember listening and thinking, wow. Like, this

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is just the same quality,

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yet also, obviously skew a little bit little

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little bit younger.

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I just remember the dialogue, I would describe

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as cracking.

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I I not heard like, kind of that,

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earnest and sincere

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yet also qui and fun dialogue approach. But,

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Darby, there is a moment I remember to

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this day. It's when Judd puts a vacuum

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into the closet.

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Judd puts a vacuum into the closet. I

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think people are coming over and they're gonna

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have a witnessing for them. But it's the

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1 of the first,

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evan attempts by the young Chip divorce. Judd

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puts a vacuum in the closet. I remember

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thinking like,

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I'm I'm right there in that living room.

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Like he's just goof off and putting a

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vacuum cleaner in the closet, and it just

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felt so realistic and it kinda jumped out,

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just by how normal it sounded.

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And and it's just little moments like that

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that really helped to sell the realism it

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even for this absolutely fantastical scenario,

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with a younger cast of characters,

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and,

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presumably some younger actors as well. So now,

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I've really enjoyed it, and I will continue

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to hype

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both of the left behind audio dramas to

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this day. And I wanna ask more about

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the making of that show in just a

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moment.

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Speaking of audio drama, you know all those

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sounds that they make it. Sound like people

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moving, getting up out of bed, walking around,

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tram through the under brush, that's called Foley,

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which makes me think of another foley artist.

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538
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541
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549
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550
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551
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552
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em hawk dot com.

554
00:20:58,819 --> 00:21:01,282
Alright, Darby. We're at the midpoint of not

555
00:21:01,282 --> 00:21:03,505
this tribulation. It was a challenge. It was

556
00:21:03,505 --> 00:21:05,594
a challenge to adapt now

557
00:21:06,144 --> 00:21:08,299
40 books in the left behind the kids

558
00:21:08,299 --> 00:21:10,773
series outlined by Jerry Jenkins based on the

559
00:21:10,773 --> 00:21:12,529
grown up series, and then most of those

560
00:21:12,769 --> 00:21:14,445
written up by Chris Fa.

561
00:21:15,099 --> 00:21:16,853
And so now you get them, and you've

562
00:21:16,853 --> 00:21:20,044
gotta make now 72 audio episodes. Maybe it

563
00:21:20,044 --> 00:21:21,479
would have been a hundred 44 originally, I

564
00:21:21,479 --> 00:21:23,075
like the Grown up series, but eventually, that

565
00:21:23,075 --> 00:21:24,431
was 72, and I'll ask that in a

566
00:21:24,431 --> 00:21:27,660
moment. I'm curious then about the challenges of

567
00:21:27,719 --> 00:21:29,634
auditioning? Like, how did you all then go

568
00:21:29,634 --> 00:21:31,151
in and go okay. We've got cast,

569
00:21:32,029 --> 00:21:33,786
at least 4 members of the young trade

570
00:21:33,786 --> 00:21:34,286
force

571
00:21:34,916 --> 00:21:37,854
Ryan Lionel Vicki and Judd, plus all the

572
00:21:37,854 --> 00:21:39,918
side characters and bringing back some of the

573
00:21:39,918 --> 00:21:41,507
characters from the grown up series, What were

574
00:21:41,507 --> 00:21:43,253
some of the challenges just starting out with

575
00:21:43,253 --> 00:21:43,412
this?

576
00:21:44,142 --> 00:21:45,730
For me, that was more of a Todd

577
00:21:45,730 --> 00:21:47,478
problem than than a darby problem.

578
00:21:48,034 --> 00:21:50,575
And I'm glad it was. But the biggest

579
00:21:50,575 --> 00:21:52,163
thing, and I'm gonna I'm gonna give a

580
00:21:52,163 --> 00:21:54,650
spoiler here for all those poor people who

581
00:21:54,650 --> 00:21:56,410
haven't heard this yet. It it's been a

582
00:21:56,410 --> 00:21:58,170
while. I think we're good for spoilers. Oh,

583
00:21:58,330 --> 00:22:00,650
exactly. 1 doesn't want. Okay. Zach. Take your

584
00:22:00,650 --> 00:22:02,464
headphones I'll let you know... I'm saying I

585
00:22:02,663 --> 00:22:04,333
it's fine to what. I I haven't heard

586
00:22:04,333 --> 00:22:05,763
it yet. So you're you're talking to me,

587
00:22:05,923 --> 00:22:07,353
so that's spoil it. It's fine.

588
00:22:08,069 --> 00:22:09,977
Well, there's there's 1 of the characters.

589
00:22:10,787 --> 00:22:13,409
Beloved by everybody. The actor was beloved by

590
00:22:13,409 --> 00:22:14,784
everybody too who

591
00:22:15,317 --> 00:22:15,817
dies

592
00:22:16,271 --> 00:22:17,622
in episode 37.

593
00:22:18,432 --> 00:22:20,501
The hardest part of that was just the

594
00:22:20,501 --> 00:22:22,331
fact that we had to do it. I

595
00:22:22,331 --> 00:22:22,831
remember

596
00:22:23,207 --> 00:22:24,877
when Todd read the script, and I think

597
00:22:24,877 --> 00:22:26,787
he didn't... I'm sure he didn't read every

598
00:22:26,787 --> 00:22:29,586
book. Because who's got time for that. But

599
00:22:29,586 --> 00:22:31,996
he would just go through my scripts, and

600
00:22:32,291 --> 00:22:34,335
he said, we'll, wait a minute. What do

601
00:22:34,694 --> 00:22:35,651
Do we have to kill him?

602
00:22:36,689 --> 00:22:38,126
Can we can we keep them alive?

603
00:22:38,844 --> 00:22:39,243
And

604
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,436
I'd read ahead a few books and

605
00:22:43,329 --> 00:22:45,085
it was it was sort of 1 of

606
00:22:45,085 --> 00:22:46,144
those things that

607
00:22:46,602 --> 00:22:49,555
you you can't not do it because, I

608
00:22:49,555 --> 00:22:51,551
mean it... It's also part of the the,

609
00:22:52,604 --> 00:22:55,419
you know, left behind narrative that at least

610
00:22:55,637 --> 00:22:58,590
25 percent of the people who are Christians

611
00:22:58,590 --> 00:23:00,266
at the beginning of it are gonna die

612
00:23:00,266 --> 00:23:00,904
through the.

613
00:23:01,398 --> 00:23:03,471
Or whoever is alive at the beginning of

614
00:23:03,471 --> 00:23:05,543
the tribulation will die by the end. And

615
00:23:05,543 --> 00:23:09,505
so it had the the the weight that

616
00:23:09,704 --> 00:23:10,819
we had to add to it.

617
00:23:11,616 --> 00:23:12,014
And

618
00:23:12,572 --> 00:23:14,644
we we hated doing it. I... We actually

619
00:23:14,644 --> 00:23:16,397
dragged it out 1 more episode. So he's

620
00:23:16,397 --> 00:23:17,853
in 37

621
00:23:17,911 --> 00:23:19,026
episodes instead of 36.

622
00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:19,918
And

623
00:23:20,954 --> 00:23:21,852
it was really

624
00:23:22,866 --> 00:23:25,337
a tear jerk moment. I thought when when

625
00:23:25,337 --> 00:23:27,744
we let this character go. But

626
00:23:28,623 --> 00:23:30,939
that was the hardest kind of thing. Todd

627
00:23:30,939 --> 00:23:32,298
took care of all the auditioning,

628
00:23:32,857 --> 00:23:34,395
and he put together

629
00:23:34,947 --> 00:23:37,515
an amazing cast. I I can't

630
00:23:38,447 --> 00:23:39,504
I can't imagine

631
00:23:39,879 --> 00:23:41,152
anybody else doing these parts.

632
00:23:41,803 --> 00:23:44,429
And, you know, Jason Part was Judd. A

633
00:23:44,588 --> 00:23:46,179
Dug and S was Ryan,

634
00:23:46,974 --> 00:23:48,907
Raphael chest was Lionel

635
00:23:49,282 --> 00:23:50,316
and Brooks Sanford.

636
00:23:51,128 --> 00:23:52,245
Who was fantastic.

637
00:23:52,962 --> 00:23:55,435
Was Vicki. And Mean, they were all fantastic,

638
00:23:55,595 --> 00:23:57,190
But the the 4 of them together was

639
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:59,343
just incredible. And all also sudden we had

640
00:23:59,343 --> 00:24:01,190
to get rid of 1 of them and

641
00:24:01,190 --> 00:24:03,495
and the da character was already, you know,

642
00:24:04,051 --> 00:24:06,435
sliding into the to fill that space as

643
00:24:06,594 --> 00:24:07,627
Chris had written the books.

644
00:24:08,436 --> 00:24:10,582
And that was the hardest thing for me

645
00:24:10,582 --> 00:24:12,171
because all of a sudden, I'm like, okay.

646
00:24:12,409 --> 00:24:13,839
I know how to write for this character,

647
00:24:14,396 --> 00:24:14,896
and

648
00:24:15,270 --> 00:24:17,914
that character's dead. Okay. Let's start picking up

649
00:24:17,914 --> 00:24:19,755
with Da and I had to, like, create

650
00:24:19,755 --> 00:24:22,315
the whole element of her, not only that,

651
00:24:22,474 --> 00:24:24,954
but like you said before, there's 72 episodes.

652
00:24:25,929 --> 00:24:27,947
And the first 36

653
00:24:28,086 --> 00:24:29,764
episodes only covered the first.

654
00:24:30,723 --> 00:24:33,520
Oh, is it 12 or 12 books. Yeah.

655
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,010
Yeah. Yeah. And there was quite the pace

656
00:24:36,010 --> 00:24:38,166
increase about the midpoint of the audio drama

657
00:24:38,166 --> 00:24:40,002
there. I remember when it started going Whoa,

658
00:24:40,162 --> 00:24:42,237
we're... Yeah really condensing some stuff here. It's

659
00:24:42,237 --> 00:24:43,035
already called the speed.

660
00:24:43,608 --> 00:24:46,468
Yeah. Exactly. And what... Really the the... Just

661
00:24:46,468 --> 00:24:47,762
to break down the numbers

662
00:24:48,374 --> 00:24:49,510
for each

663
00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:53,005
series of 12 episodes for the first 3

664
00:24:53,633 --> 00:24:55,701
Each 12 episodes covered 3 books.

665
00:24:56,497 --> 00:24:56,997
So

666
00:24:57,452 --> 00:24:59,601
that was a 4 books. 4 bucks. It

667
00:24:59,601 --> 00:25:02,959
was approximately 1 compact disc per book. So

668
00:25:02,959 --> 00:25:05,055
we went from a compact disc of 3

669
00:25:05,114 --> 00:25:07,349
episodes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right there. Yeah.

670
00:25:07,588 --> 00:25:09,025
And then and then it was... I I

671
00:25:09,025 --> 00:25:11,020
worked out the formula, actually, Darby, it was,

672
00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:12,094
like, up approximately...

673
00:25:13,432 --> 00:25:14,791
I think I think it was approximately 1

674
00:25:14,791 --> 00:25:17,588
and 1 fifth episode per book. So instead

675
00:25:17,588 --> 00:25:18,946
of 3 episodes per book is like, 1

676
00:25:18,946 --> 00:25:20,920
and 1 fifth episode. So that's that's that's

677
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:22,469
and a decrease. Yeah. Well,

678
00:25:23,581 --> 00:25:25,328
don't let me rein on your parade or

679
00:25:25,328 --> 00:25:27,791
anything, but there was no formula. So it

680
00:25:27,791 --> 00:25:29,856
was there was times, and I was I

681
00:25:29,856 --> 00:25:30,594
was so

682
00:25:31,540 --> 00:25:33,368
bothered by this that we had to... I

683
00:25:33,368 --> 00:25:35,196
think there's 1 book we didn't touch on

684
00:25:35,196 --> 00:25:38,375
anything from because it just didn't drive the

685
00:25:38,375 --> 00:25:39,647
the whole thing forward.

686
00:25:40,377 --> 00:25:41,751
And there were

687
00:25:43,077 --> 00:25:45,325
tons of sub that Chris came up with

688
00:25:45,460 --> 00:25:47,525
that that were good in the books that

689
00:25:47,525 --> 00:25:48,002
we're just, like,

690
00:25:48,814 --> 00:25:50,732
Okay. This is just gonna slow the story

691
00:25:50,732 --> 00:25:52,490
down to a crawl. We just couldn't do

692
00:25:52,490 --> 00:25:53,928
it. And and

693
00:25:54,567 --> 00:25:56,779
I'm just blessed that I had

694
00:25:57,615 --> 00:25:59,762
Todd, to teach me and guide me through

695
00:25:59,762 --> 00:26:01,990
all this, because he is... He's just so

696
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:03,683
good. He's just naturally

697
00:26:03,994 --> 00:26:04,734
a great

698
00:26:05,511 --> 00:26:06,628
editor in his head,

699
00:26:07,187 --> 00:26:08,006
that when

700
00:26:08,384 --> 00:26:10,380
when I turn in a script that, you

701
00:26:10,380 --> 00:26:12,876
know, kinda wandered a little bit, he would

702
00:26:14,142 --> 00:26:17,480
Sometimes gently. Sometimes not gently rain me in.

703
00:26:17,798 --> 00:26:21,073
Good then. Oh, he's he's amazing. He's and

704
00:26:21,073 --> 00:26:22,505
he's he's a good friend too and I...

705
00:26:22,743 --> 00:26:25,368
We we survived this project without, you know,

706
00:26:26,959 --> 00:26:27,198
really,

707
00:26:28,248 --> 00:26:31,121
choking each other. You survived good tribulation. Just

708
00:26:31,121 --> 00:26:33,515
like we did and 3 quarters of the

709
00:26:33,515 --> 00:26:35,531
young Trip force, beating the odds

710
00:26:35,844 --> 00:26:38,079
because someone had a big heart and couldn't

711
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:39,596
off more of them. At least in the

712
00:26:39,596 --> 00:26:41,192
audio drama, I hadn't read all the kids

713
00:26:41,192 --> 00:26:44,145
books. But the audio drama, maybe y'all were,

714
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:47,268
saving them from getting fridge, but Yeah. The

715
00:26:47,268 --> 00:26:48,941
other 3 do survive all the way to

716
00:26:48,941 --> 00:26:51,650
the end, although 1 has an unfortunate limb

717
00:26:51,650 --> 00:26:54,142
removal. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Which

718
00:26:54,532 --> 00:26:56,118
That was a... That was a nice dance

719
00:26:56,118 --> 00:26:56,753
around that.

720
00:26:57,784 --> 00:27:00,085
Yeah. I noticed I I wanted to how

721
00:27:00,085 --> 00:27:01,830
how well the looks because around joke or

722
00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:02,147
something?

723
00:27:02,638 --> 00:27:06,058
No. No. It was 27 hours effect. Remember

724
00:27:06,058 --> 00:27:08,523
the yeah Chap who was hiking who fell

725
00:27:08,523 --> 00:27:10,590
down ravi and got his arms stuck under

726
00:27:10,590 --> 00:27:12,394
a giant boulder, and then he kinda had

727
00:27:13,705 --> 00:27:16,644
do things to free himself well, so did

728
00:27:16,644 --> 00:27:18,948
the just happen have a pocket force. Yeah.

729
00:27:19,424 --> 00:27:21,649
Either like, an asteroid or something that traps

730
00:27:21,649 --> 00:27:21,967
someone?

731
00:27:22,617 --> 00:27:24,364
No. You have to listen. You have to

732
00:27:24,364 --> 00:27:24,864
listen

733
00:27:25,238 --> 00:27:27,303
right. Yeah. And and not just because I

734
00:27:27,462 --> 00:27:28,891
I forgot. I just remember, it's like, oh,

735
00:27:29,050 --> 00:27:30,813
this is a hundred 27 hours thing. Not

736
00:27:30,813 --> 00:27:32,404
that I've seen that ravi or anything, but

737
00:27:32,404 --> 00:27:34,631
we we remember the story, and we remember

738
00:27:34,631 --> 00:27:36,461
shiver and, you know, checking to make sure

739
00:27:36,461 --> 00:27:37,336
our arms are still there.

740
00:27:37,986 --> 00:27:40,127
But, fortunately, you know, when Christ returns, there

741
00:27:40,127 --> 00:27:42,347
is there's is a resurrection effect. And so

742
00:27:42,347 --> 00:27:43,775
you you do get to you do get

743
00:27:43,775 --> 00:27:45,147
to get that back. So

744
00:27:46,493 --> 00:27:48,012
Yeah. Quite ready for him to come back

745
00:27:48,012 --> 00:27:49,131
now though, Darby,

746
00:27:49,770 --> 00:27:51,129
1 thing that we we pointed out in

747
00:27:51,129 --> 00:27:53,926
our conversation with or conversations with Chris and

748
00:27:54,086 --> 00:27:55,125
Todd earlier in this series.

749
00:27:55,778 --> 00:27:59,039
Is that, the left audio drama ended up

750
00:27:59,039 --> 00:27:59,539
affecting

751
00:27:59,914 --> 00:28:01,903
events in the left behind the kids series

752
00:28:01,903 --> 00:28:03,892
because the overlap there was Chris Fab who

753
00:28:03,892 --> 00:28:04,265
was

754
00:28:04,703 --> 00:28:06,458
adapting the grown up books for the audio

755
00:28:06,458 --> 00:28:07,894
drama and then also coming up with the

756
00:28:08,213 --> 00:28:11,323
kids plots along with Jerry Jenkins. And so

757
00:28:11,323 --> 00:28:14,527
there were opportunities to expand on things that

758
00:28:14,527 --> 00:28:16,829
the grown up books couldn't cover. For example,

759
00:28:17,147 --> 00:28:19,528
the meteor splash into the ocean. Now that's

760
00:28:19,528 --> 00:28:20,346
a rather

761
00:28:21,036 --> 00:28:23,673
societal altering event and yet it's High know

762
00:28:23,673 --> 00:28:25,430
over and done with in the last few

763
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:27,585
pages of the Soul harvest volume. Yeah The

764
00:28:27,585 --> 00:28:29,661
left behind the kids book spent a lot

765
00:28:29,661 --> 00:28:31,736
more time with it, and you actually had

766
00:28:31,736 --> 00:28:32,396
a scene

767
00:28:33,026 --> 00:28:35,648
set out on the cruise ship, and that's

768
00:28:35,648 --> 00:28:37,317
also in the the Grown up audio drama.

769
00:28:37,635 --> 00:28:39,701
So there's opportunities for that kind of expansion,

770
00:28:40,258 --> 00:28:41,132
especially for, for example,

771
00:28:41,783 --> 00:28:44,088
what's going on in the schools? You know,

772
00:28:44,247 --> 00:28:46,393
how's the global community taking over the schools

773
00:28:46,393 --> 00:28:48,403
and then what sort of sub

774
00:28:49,588 --> 00:28:51,423
you know, hi jinx do the kids get

775
00:28:51,423 --> 00:28:54,136
into in order to fight the antichrist. Like,

776
00:28:54,296 --> 00:28:56,370
how fun is that to do that adaptation.

777
00:28:57,022 --> 00:28:58,852
That was great. We I... You know, what

778
00:28:58,931 --> 00:29:00,363
I did is I took a time machine

779
00:29:00,363 --> 00:29:01,477
to 20 24,

780
00:29:02,033 --> 00:29:03,386
and saw the way,

781
00:29:04,198 --> 00:29:06,112
the schools were going and and No, man,

782
00:29:06,271 --> 00:29:08,186
it's worse. You you went back and you

783
00:29:08,186 --> 00:29:10,898
corrupted the timeline with what you knew because

784
00:29:10,898 --> 00:29:13,585
not even Carp came up with the sexual

785
00:29:13,784 --> 00:29:16,177
Convert corruption that we're seeing now. I think

786
00:29:16,177 --> 00:29:18,729
if Carp had been told, hey, Satan had

787
00:29:18,729 --> 00:29:20,484
approached him, you know, to possess him and

788
00:29:20,484 --> 00:29:23,456
say, let's let's let's train the kids next

789
00:29:24,008 --> 00:29:25,684
Old call old old Saint, Nick, it'd probably

790
00:29:25,684 --> 00:29:27,121
be, like, oh, I think that's going a

791
00:29:27,121 --> 00:29:28,317
bit too far, Don't you think?

792
00:29:29,195 --> 00:29:30,711
And yet here we are. I mean, as

793
00:29:30,711 --> 00:29:33,434
we record this, there's debates in 1 couple

794
00:29:33,434 --> 00:29:37,117
of states about can classrooms fly the trans

795
00:29:37,174 --> 00:29:38,527
pride flag. In another states,

796
00:29:39,179 --> 00:29:40,538
they're passing laws to,

797
00:29:41,097 --> 00:29:42,396
require the 10 commandments

798
00:29:42,855 --> 00:29:44,534
to be put in classrooms. So there's a

799
00:29:44,534 --> 00:29:46,792
huge culture battle over that. So I imagine

800
00:29:46,931 --> 00:29:49,261
in the kids story, there was what Nick

801
00:29:49,341 --> 00:29:52,210
Nikolai or the statues or something that kids

802
00:29:52,210 --> 00:29:54,283
had judge allegiance to in the in the

803
00:29:54,283 --> 00:29:55,957
series. Was there something like that in the

804
00:29:55,957 --> 00:29:56,195
school?

805
00:29:56,768 --> 00:30:00,052
Yeah. We didn't have enough room to really

806
00:30:00,268 --> 00:30:02,177
really get into it, but that stuff was

807
00:30:02,177 --> 00:30:05,376
there. You know, Honestly, Steven, you probably remember

808
00:30:05,376 --> 00:30:06,332
better than I do because,

809
00:30:07,527 --> 00:30:08,961
hard to believe. You might be a bigger

810
00:30:08,961 --> 00:30:11,589
nerd than me. I'm all kinda blur together

811
00:30:11,589 --> 00:30:14,100
on the production side I don't remember statues

812
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,720
early on because the tim will hay understanding

813
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,880
of prophecy is that the statues go in

814
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,772
after the midpoint of the tribulation. And then

815
00:30:21,772 --> 00:30:24,158
they're being animated by demons or An electronics

816
00:30:24,158 --> 00:30:26,409
or something. I think it was just

817
00:30:27,023 --> 00:30:29,807
revising which scarier and the global community takes

818
00:30:29,807 --> 00:30:31,738
over early on. But... And that would be

819
00:30:31,738 --> 00:30:33,336
the first thing that would happen in that

820
00:30:33,336 --> 00:30:35,595
kind of scenario just like what happens in

821
00:30:35,734 --> 00:30:37,971
the smaller countries taken over by dictators is

822
00:30:37,971 --> 00:30:40,304
they go in after the education system. It

823
00:30:40,304 --> 00:30:41,978
makes perfect sense that they do for them.

824
00:30:42,217 --> 00:30:42,377
Yeah.

825
00:30:43,334 --> 00:30:45,247
And it was... It's so funny because, I

826
00:30:45,247 --> 00:30:48,756
mean, we're talking late nineties early twentieth century.

827
00:30:49,330 --> 00:30:49,890
And the

828
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:53,490
the the electronics and everything are so they're

829
00:30:53,490 --> 00:30:54,049
so quaint.

830
00:30:54,610 --> 00:30:57,343
Back then, somebody had a sat phone And

831
00:30:57,343 --> 00:30:58,953
we're like, oh, this is a great technology

832
00:30:59,008 --> 00:31:00,832
as Sat phone. You can call anywhere from

833
00:31:00,832 --> 00:31:02,680
there. And with video conferencing.

834
00:31:03,370 --> 00:31:05,059
Right. Right. And we have

835
00:31:05,527 --> 00:31:08,472
every every teenager in America probably has, you

836
00:31:08,472 --> 00:31:10,143
know, a camera that they can talk to

837
00:31:10,143 --> 00:31:14,202
somebody in in Vienna or, you know, London

838
00:31:14,202 --> 00:31:14,361
with.

839
00:31:15,413 --> 00:31:17,647
Without any difficulty. And and I think if

840
00:31:17,806 --> 00:31:20,440
Jerry re rewrote this series, we'd see a

841
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,088
very, very different series, but you know, think

842
00:31:23,088 --> 00:31:25,326
about the the technology that we have now,

843
00:31:25,885 --> 00:31:28,682
you know, we're talking about, the antichrist animating

844
00:31:28,682 --> 00:31:31,251
an an ina object. I mean, does it

845
00:31:31,251 --> 00:31:34,438
really even need to be a possessed sort

846
00:31:34,438 --> 00:31:34,916
of thing.

847
00:31:36,430 --> 00:31:39,229
Cgi does this? And everybody in the world

848
00:31:39,229 --> 00:31:40,738
can see it all at the same time

849
00:31:40,738 --> 00:31:43,622
because, you know, everybody's got their phone and

850
00:31:43,757 --> 00:31:44,257
and

851
00:31:44,963 --> 00:31:46,787
can see. And, you know what? This... I

852
00:31:46,787 --> 00:31:48,294
know this isn't a segue because we're talking

853
00:31:48,294 --> 00:31:49,959
later, but that's what the next Jake Muller

854
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:52,021
I'm writing is all about too. So... Oh,

855
00:31:52,180 --> 00:31:54,106
there we go. That's 1 way to update

856
00:31:54,106 --> 00:31:56,101
some of those themes now for sure. So

857
00:31:56,261 --> 00:31:57,697
I'd look forward to hearing more about that.

858
00:31:58,256 --> 00:31:58,415
Yep.

859
00:31:59,453 --> 00:32:02,017
My other question is know, speaking of technology,

860
00:32:02,256 --> 00:32:04,881
how was this show distributed, you know, 20

861
00:32:04,881 --> 00:32:06,791
years ago ish when it came out because

862
00:32:06,791 --> 00:32:07,768
that was before

863
00:32:08,715 --> 00:32:10,942
you know, spotify that was before everyone had

864
00:32:10,942 --> 00:32:13,511
phones, where you could download a digital audiobook.

865
00:32:15,332 --> 00:32:16,764
I mean, I know they had Cds back

866
00:32:16,764 --> 00:32:19,310
in. I'm not not too... I'm older than

867
00:32:19,389 --> 00:32:21,878
Steven, but younger than Darby, but

868
00:32:22,349 --> 00:32:24,507
But, like, were they sold it like Christian

869
00:32:24,826 --> 00:32:26,824
Bookstores or were they sold... I mean, I

870
00:32:26,824 --> 00:32:28,822
guess it wasn't sold online. So where where

871
00:32:28,822 --> 00:32:30,740
did people buy these? Where did they find?

872
00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:32,830
You could You could buy them. I worked

873
00:32:32,830 --> 00:32:34,266
at a Christian bookstore at the time.

874
00:32:35,143 --> 00:32:37,616
And we we sold them there. You could

875
00:32:37,616 --> 00:32:40,408
order them from Tin dale, the Christian book

876
00:32:40,408 --> 00:32:41,386
distributor, which

877
00:32:41,698 --> 00:32:43,369
you still get their catalog in the mail.

878
00:32:43,608 --> 00:32:44,324
They sold them,

879
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,950
and it was broadcast on

880
00:32:47,507 --> 00:32:48,621
I think the Moody network.

881
00:32:49,194 --> 00:32:51,429
Which... Okay. So radio stations picked it up

882
00:32:51,429 --> 00:32:53,984
and and did, I guess. Yeah. I think

883
00:32:54,064 --> 00:32:55,522
Okay. I think before

884
00:32:56,219 --> 00:32:58,396
before we were even recorded any

885
00:32:58,946 --> 00:33:01,250
it had been sort of arranged for that

886
00:33:01,250 --> 00:33:03,872
to happen. I mean, Chris is in with

887
00:33:03,872 --> 00:33:04,666
the moody network.

888
00:33:05,381 --> 00:33:06,731
Todd was in with the moody network.

889
00:33:07,541 --> 00:33:09,767
Jerry was was very much a Moody guy.

890
00:33:10,721 --> 00:33:11,755
Sorry. I didn't mean to say it like

891
00:33:11,755 --> 00:33:13,901
that. He was a Moody bible institute guy.

892
00:33:14,457 --> 00:33:14,696
And

893
00:33:15,332 --> 00:33:16,229
I think that

894
00:33:16,939 --> 00:33:19,575
there was probably some groundwork laid already there

895
00:33:19,575 --> 00:33:20,555
for it. So

896
00:33:20,934 --> 00:33:23,830
that was great. But the the kids show

897
00:33:24,624 --> 00:33:25,662
didn't get the...

898
00:33:27,020 --> 00:33:27,740
It it was...

899
00:33:28,938 --> 00:33:31,355
My understanding is that it it was recorded

900
00:33:32,069 --> 00:33:32,569
with

901
00:33:33,188 --> 00:33:35,126
marketing money rather than

902
00:33:35,585 --> 00:33:37,283
production money that that the

903
00:33:38,142 --> 00:33:41,428
in air quotes adult show was. Yeah. Was

904
00:33:41,428 --> 00:33:41,747
using.

905
00:33:42,781 --> 00:33:45,250
Okay. And then how many years was this

906
00:33:45,250 --> 00:33:45,750
recorded

907
00:33:46,205 --> 00:33:47,957
over, like, 3, 4 or 5.

908
00:33:48,767 --> 00:33:50,434
Good question. Let me look at the copyright

909
00:33:50,434 --> 00:33:53,291
on my cd here. So... I mean because

910
00:33:53,370 --> 00:33:55,219
I'm assuming that the actors is probably

911
00:33:55,592 --> 00:33:58,014
I really just sore drill here. 2000

912
00:33:58,153 --> 00:34:00,311
to 2004, man. I mean, the last 1

913
00:34:00,311 --> 00:34:01,770
would it come out, I guess, in

914
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:04,787
September 20 years ago. Again, the 20 year

915
00:34:05,266 --> 00:34:06,545
Finale. This is why we're doing it this

916
00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:06,625
year.

917
00:34:07,356 --> 00:34:10,004
Because... I'm assuming then that the actors weren't

918
00:34:10,220 --> 00:34:12,686
teenagers or pre teens then that they were

919
00:34:12,686 --> 00:34:13,663
probably adults

920
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:15,720
do doing younger voices?

921
00:34:16,355 --> 00:34:19,690
Yeah. When we started, I know Dug and

922
00:34:19,848 --> 00:34:21,142
Rafael were teenagers.

923
00:34:22,489 --> 00:34:24,010
Doug is still a teenager by the way,

924
00:34:24,329 --> 00:34:26,089
And he's 1 who plays Jake Mueller. He's

925
00:34:26,089 --> 00:34:28,650
awesome. Yeah. They were young. I think Rafael

926
00:34:28,650 --> 00:34:30,650
was maybe the youngest of them, who played

927
00:34:30,809 --> 00:34:31,130
Lionel.

928
00:34:31,863 --> 00:34:32,262
And

929
00:34:33,537 --> 00:34:35,690
I'll tell you what though, that the first

930
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:37,147
time I sat in a studio

931
00:34:37,524 --> 00:34:39,916
and heard these guys performed together.

932
00:34:41,122 --> 00:34:43,027
I was just in awe because, you know,

933
00:34:43,185 --> 00:34:45,804
like, I I acted in college and and

934
00:34:46,201 --> 00:34:46,701
in

935
00:34:47,630 --> 00:34:48,606
you know, small

936
00:34:49,153 --> 00:34:51,065
video things that were produced in town here.

937
00:34:51,622 --> 00:34:52,122
And

938
00:34:52,817 --> 00:34:54,808
I, you know, at at 30, I was

939
00:34:54,808 --> 00:34:57,038
listening to these guys at 15 or 14

940
00:34:57,038 --> 00:34:57,516
and thinking.

941
00:34:58,168 --> 00:35:00,401
They are so far ahead of me? Talent

942
00:35:00,401 --> 00:35:01,300
wise that

943
00:35:01,996 --> 00:35:04,707
why am I even trying? Oh, the interplay

944
00:35:04,707 --> 00:35:07,672
is extraordinary. Just that you... The you could

945
00:35:07,672 --> 00:35:10,299
just feel that these were kids who've been

946
00:35:10,299 --> 00:35:12,051
thrown into a very rough situation and,

947
00:35:13,086 --> 00:35:15,019
obviously, some from very rough backgrounds

948
00:35:15,729 --> 00:35:19,023
not who often used dark humor, to diffuse

949
00:35:19,081 --> 00:35:20,757
some things. And, you know, it didn't get

950
00:35:20,757 --> 00:35:22,593
too dark in the series. There had to

951
00:35:22,593 --> 00:35:25,244
be some levi, especially with audience considerations in

952
00:35:25,244 --> 00:35:28,065
mind. And yet, this is the 7 year

953
00:35:28,525 --> 00:35:30,925
tribulation, a time of god's judgment on earth

954
00:35:30,925 --> 00:35:32,719
and okay. Great evangelist

955
00:35:33,097 --> 00:35:35,015
explosions, but also a heck of a lot

956
00:35:35,015 --> 00:35:36,932
of world wars and plagues And I mean,

957
00:35:37,012 --> 00:35:40,301
it's the literal apocalypse everyone. So things can

958
00:35:40,301 --> 00:35:42,556
get pretty dark and then characters are dying

959
00:35:42,614 --> 00:35:44,208
every once in a while. A lot of

960
00:35:44,208 --> 00:35:45,963
good things happening, but a lot of bad

961
00:35:45,963 --> 00:35:47,956
things happening, including, but not limited to.

962
00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:49,809
The demon locusts.

963
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:54,289
Army of eventually, you get to the return

964
00:35:54,289 --> 00:35:56,530
physical, return, lori appearing of our Lord Say

965
00:35:56,690 --> 00:35:59,254
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966
00:35:59,652 --> 00:36:01,402
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967
00:36:01,402 --> 00:36:03,390
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1011
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this episode 220.

1012
00:37:44,327 --> 00:37:44,407
Okay.

1013
00:37:45,298 --> 00:37:47,770
Darby post left behind series,

1014
00:37:48,727 --> 00:37:51,996
from glory appearing to alien intrusion. Now, I

1015
00:37:51,996 --> 00:37:54,405
just wish to say that the end, of

1016
00:37:54,405 --> 00:37:56,644
the left behind the kids series. The kids

1017
00:37:56,644 --> 00:37:58,804
are all alright. If they repent and receive

1018
00:37:58,885 --> 00:38:01,444
Jesus, whether or not they get off in

1019
00:38:01,444 --> 00:38:03,204
the middle of the tribulation, ultimately,

1020
00:38:03,940 --> 00:38:04,820
our lord returns,

1021
00:38:05,380 --> 00:38:07,860
and the kids are alright. Everything sad comes

1022
00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:10,180
untrue when Jesus returns to renew all things.

1023
00:38:10,420 --> 00:38:10,579
Now,

1024
00:38:11,234 --> 00:38:12,912
You got to preview this. I think the

1025
00:38:13,152 --> 00:38:15,389
Fine kids series, audio series is still going,

1026
00:38:16,188 --> 00:38:18,239
and then they apparently what drafted you

1027
00:38:18,758 --> 00:38:20,594
you you got promoted. Like, from Youth pastor

1028
00:38:20,594 --> 00:38:21,572
to real pastor

1029
00:38:22,908 --> 00:38:24,983
to help wrap the the grown up series,

1030
00:38:25,382 --> 00:38:27,628
which also ended about 20 years ago, with

1031
00:38:27,628 --> 00:38:29,457
that 12 volume glorious appearing.

1032
00:38:30,173 --> 00:38:31,684
How did that work out? And what were

1033
00:38:31,684 --> 00:38:33,927
some of the challenges? We've already talked Todd

1034
00:38:33,927 --> 00:38:35,123
some about that. But what are some of

1035
00:38:35,123 --> 00:38:37,615
the challenges then of this impossible

1036
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:40,643
story adaptation? Jesus returns

1037
00:38:41,115 --> 00:38:43,355
And Army explode and he's touching down on,

1038
00:38:43,434 --> 00:38:45,115
like, 3 and a half different mountains to

1039
00:38:45,115 --> 00:38:46,795
try to sync up all the prophecies, and

1040
00:38:46,795 --> 00:38:47,994
then he goes to Jerusalem Lemon.

1041
00:38:48,715 --> 00:38:50,235
Everybody shoots at him doesn't work.

1042
00:38:50,969 --> 00:38:52,405
Sword from his mouth picks out all of

1043
00:38:52,405 --> 00:38:54,559
his enemies. And then I guess was it

1044
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:56,554
you or Todd who actually ended up explaining

1045
00:38:56,554 --> 00:38:58,804
the fate of Vi Ivan who got a

1046
00:38:58,804 --> 00:39:00,877
little lost in the original book 12.

1047
00:39:01,914 --> 00:39:03,669
I wanna go behind the scenes of Christ

1048
00:39:03,669 --> 00:39:04,786
return. How'd do you put that together it?

1049
00:39:05,105 --> 00:39:06,620
It it was like going from the minor

1050
00:39:06,620 --> 00:39:08,429
leagues to the big leagues. So was kinda

1051
00:39:08,629 --> 00:39:10,859
kinda fun that way. But the the short

1052
00:39:10,859 --> 00:39:12,452
answer is that Chris just got too busy.

1053
00:39:12,691 --> 00:39:13,010
He was...

1054
00:39:14,284 --> 00:39:15,717
I think he switched some some

1055
00:39:16,275 --> 00:39:17,231
jobs that he was doing.

1056
00:39:17,965 --> 00:39:19,804
And it might have been when he was

1057
00:39:19,804 --> 00:39:20,784
making his move

1058
00:39:21,244 --> 00:39:23,184
from Colorado to,

1059
00:39:24,204 --> 00:39:26,764
Arizona, but I may not have that timeline.

1060
00:39:27,005 --> 00:39:28,877
Correct? But he was

1061
00:39:29,574 --> 00:39:32,229
only available to do a a really

1062
00:39:32,607 --> 00:39:35,241
rough copy of the script that was really

1063
00:39:35,241 --> 00:39:35,741
just

1064
00:39:36,052 --> 00:39:38,217
beating out the the episodes

1065
00:39:38,668 --> 00:39:39,168
and

1066
00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:41,760
putting the dialogue directly from the book into

1067
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:42,973
it. And,

1068
00:39:43,996 --> 00:39:46,780
I know he knew that wasn't what was

1069
00:39:46,780 --> 00:39:47,974
gonna be recorded,

1070
00:39:48,690 --> 00:39:51,412
and Todd asked me if I could work

1071
00:39:51,412 --> 00:39:54,286
on that. I actually worked on the 1

1072
00:39:54,286 --> 00:39:56,760
before the Armageddon. Oh Armageddon. Oh, okay. Okay.

1073
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,515
I worked on that un credited.

1074
00:39:59,484 --> 00:40:01,626
Todd did me AAA solid favor and came

1075
00:40:01,626 --> 00:40:04,188
up the green bay and recorded some audio

1076
00:40:04,799 --> 00:40:06,623
for a short film that I was working

1077
00:40:06,623 --> 00:40:10,385
on. And just for a day and made

1078
00:40:10,385 --> 00:40:11,183
it so much better,

1079
00:40:13,018 --> 00:40:13,975
but it never got finished.

1080
00:40:14,786 --> 00:40:15,581
But that's not important.

1081
00:40:16,296 --> 00:40:17,489
Todd came up and did that for me,

1082
00:40:17,568 --> 00:40:19,396
and I I wrote these... Or re rewrote

1083
00:40:19,396 --> 00:40:21,542
these episodes for him. And

1084
00:40:22,257 --> 00:40:23,473
did that did

1085
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:26,245
Armageddon un credited and then for glory appearing,

1086
00:40:26,404 --> 00:40:27,436
I said, hey, man,

1087
00:40:28,311 --> 00:40:30,614
can I get paid for this? And can

1088
00:40:30,773 --> 00:40:31,647
I get credit at least?

1089
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:34,640
And I don't... I really I don't remember

1090
00:40:34,860 --> 00:40:35,500
how it all

1091
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:38,380
came together, but I did get to work

1092
00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:40,800
on that. I really enjoyed that 1

1093
00:40:42,149 --> 00:40:42,649
but

1094
00:40:43,264 --> 00:40:44,401
most of it

1095
00:40:45,176 --> 00:40:45,676
was

1096
00:40:46,530 --> 00:40:48,442
just, you know, taking what Chris had done

1097
00:40:48,442 --> 00:40:49,978
and what was in the novel

1098
00:40:50,610 --> 00:40:51,110
and

1099
00:40:52,610 --> 00:40:53,090
giving it...

1100
00:40:53,730 --> 00:40:55,829
I think a little bit of my sen

1101
00:40:56,130 --> 00:40:56,769
about dialogue,

1102
00:40:57,250 --> 00:40:59,170
which is a little bit different from Chris's,

1103
00:40:59,823 --> 00:41:00,780
not better, not worse,

1104
00:41:01,577 --> 00:41:02,214
just different.

1105
00:41:02,931 --> 00:41:04,525
And John 4 off, and I have very

1106
00:41:04,525 --> 00:41:05,264
very different

1107
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,809
types of dialogue too, and and he and

1108
00:41:07,889 --> 00:41:10,144
I are working on an un shack project

1109
00:41:10,203 --> 00:41:11,661
together right now. So

1110
00:41:12,518 --> 00:41:13,955
it's it's fun. But,

1111
00:41:14,913 --> 00:41:16,244
I kinda gave it the

1112
00:41:17,717 --> 00:41:19,786
I I darby it up a bit. You

1113
00:41:19,786 --> 00:41:22,969
you Darby Is. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Now there's

1114
00:41:22,969 --> 00:41:25,356
also John Nelson Darby, but... Gotcha.

1115
00:41:25,689 --> 00:41:27,605
Oh, there's your namesake there. Now there's also

1116
00:41:27,605 --> 00:41:29,999
a framing device in the audio drama that

1117
00:41:29,999 --> 00:41:31,755
does not exist in the book, but what

1118
00:41:31,755 --> 00:41:33,965
were some of the reasons why you all

1119
00:41:34,242 --> 00:41:36,726
created kind of this flashback narrative

1120
00:41:37,258 --> 00:41:38,290
from the now adult

1121
00:41:38,925 --> 00:41:40,275
son of Buck Chloe.

1122
00:41:40,989 --> 00:41:41,489
I

1123
00:41:41,878 --> 00:41:43,176
I think it was just

1124
00:41:43,632 --> 00:41:45,010
a way to

1125
00:41:46,025 --> 00:41:48,416
do things different. Just kinda changed it up

1126
00:41:48,416 --> 00:41:49,932
a little bit and keep it a bit

1127
00:41:49,932 --> 00:41:50,171
fresh.

1128
00:41:50,824 --> 00:41:52,505
And, you know, at that point, they'd already

1129
00:41:52,505 --> 00:41:54,025
done a hundred and 36,

1130
00:41:54,264 --> 00:41:55,545
a hundred and 32 episodes.

1131
00:41:56,264 --> 00:41:57,704
Obviously, when I get in there, I need

1132
00:41:57,704 --> 00:41:58,159
to

1133
00:41:58,998 --> 00:42:01,954
be contrary and do things different and do

1134
00:42:01,954 --> 00:42:03,712
it in a way that not reflects me

1135
00:42:03,712 --> 00:42:05,470
so much, but just challenges me a bit.

1136
00:42:05,962 --> 00:42:07,176
And I thought that

1137
00:42:07,549 --> 00:42:09,215
that was a way to do it.

1138
00:42:10,009 --> 00:42:12,865
Honestly, though, I think the idea came more

1139
00:42:12,865 --> 00:42:13,737
from Todd than me.

1140
00:42:15,656 --> 00:42:16,132
But

1141
00:42:17,243 --> 00:42:19,543
it it worked out. When I heard it,

1142
00:42:19,702 --> 00:42:21,050
I thought, okay. That's a great way to

1143
00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:22,002
do things a little different.

1144
00:42:23,285 --> 00:42:24,498
I really, I don't

1145
00:42:25,266 --> 00:42:28,119
remember coming up with that. I'm clever sometimes,

1146
00:42:28,278 --> 00:42:29,388
but maybe not that clever.

1147
00:42:30,759 --> 00:42:32,756
Todd is. So... Well, it's a team effort,

1148
00:42:32,916 --> 00:42:35,074
and it works not just to do something

1149
00:42:35,074 --> 00:42:37,791
different, but it works because obviously, the return

1150
00:42:37,791 --> 00:42:39,903
of Christ and all of the a Ph

1151
00:42:40,914 --> 00:42:42,504
signs that's a Jerry Jenkins word by the

1152
00:42:42,504 --> 00:42:43,322
way. Ph

1153
00:42:44,015 --> 00:42:45,151
signs surrounding

1154
00:42:46,003 --> 00:42:49,436
his glory appearing, they're so visual. And they

1155
00:42:49,436 --> 00:42:51,343
be so difficult to portray in an audio

1156
00:42:51,343 --> 00:42:53,170
drama. I don't think anybody has even tried

1157
00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:54,521
to do a movie version of it. You

1158
00:42:54,521 --> 00:42:56,428
know, that's why everybody's always sticking with the

1159
00:42:56,428 --> 00:42:58,592
rapture, and they're not actually trying to show

1160
00:42:58,752 --> 00:43:00,747
Jesus descending out of the clouds, you know.

1161
00:43:01,146 --> 00:43:03,779
Right. And and and throwing hands with the

1162
00:43:03,939 --> 00:43:04,258
Satan,

1163
00:43:05,136 --> 00:43:05,455
obviously,

1164
00:43:05,949 --> 00:43:08,819
completely epic postponing him to be true. But

1165
00:43:08,819 --> 00:43:11,132
it it helps to kind of paint that

1166
00:43:11,132 --> 00:43:13,285
picture because you are now not just hearing

1167
00:43:13,285 --> 00:43:15,213
these events play out in real time. But

1168
00:43:15,213 --> 00:43:17,122
you're hearing now these characters that we have

1169
00:43:17,122 --> 00:43:18,634
come to know and love, you know, First,

1170
00:43:18,713 --> 00:43:20,623
you're hearing them, like, they do okay. They're

1171
00:43:20,623 --> 00:43:21,816
fine. They survived. You know,

1172
00:43:22,629 --> 00:43:24,626
but they're looking back on it, and they

1173
00:43:24,626 --> 00:43:27,182
themselves are struggling to capture the event in

1174
00:43:27,182 --> 00:43:29,834
words. And then we flash back to what

1175
00:43:29,834 --> 00:43:32,711
has happened, after, you know, not just Kenny

1176
00:43:32,791 --> 00:43:35,268
Bruce talking about it, but he's talking with

1177
00:43:35,428 --> 00:43:37,905
Ray and, Mc mc and some of these

1178
00:43:37,905 --> 00:43:38,545
other heroes.

1179
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:40,717
It works, and

1180
00:43:41,356 --> 00:43:43,194
that must have been a big challenge too

1181
00:43:43,194 --> 00:43:45,911
for the actors to put themselves in the

1182
00:43:45,911 --> 00:43:46,731
frame of

1183
00:43:47,044 --> 00:43:49,695
we are now in the millennial kingdom Jesus

1184
00:43:49,992 --> 00:43:51,904
returned maybe a few years ago, a few

1185
00:43:51,904 --> 00:43:52,621
dozen years ago,

1186
00:43:53,338 --> 00:43:56,069
and you can just hear the wonder in

1187
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:58,630
awe in their voices, and I'm looking forward

1188
00:43:58,630 --> 00:44:00,550
to listening to that again because

1189
00:44:00,949 --> 00:44:02,764
there is such a sense of

1190
00:44:03,364 --> 00:44:04,822
fulfillment and new catastrophe.

1191
00:44:05,841 --> 00:44:08,078
Yeah. At the end of this series.

1192
00:44:08,877 --> 00:44:10,955
There's a feeling of awe.

1193
00:44:11,609 --> 00:44:14,166
That can't be equal. And and these actors,

1194
00:44:14,326 --> 00:44:16,483
man, they captured it, then you part of,

1195
00:44:16,803 --> 00:44:19,120
making that happen. So I I just really

1196
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:19,440
appreciate that.

1197
00:44:20,174 --> 00:44:22,332
Yeah. It's... It it was great. It was

1198
00:44:22,332 --> 00:44:23,770
so much fun. And, you know, to be

1199
00:44:23,770 --> 00:44:24,649
writing stuff for,

1200
00:44:25,528 --> 00:44:27,446
people like Tom Mc roy and and Amy

1201
00:44:27,526 --> 00:44:27,766
Lilly,

1202
00:44:28,405 --> 00:44:29,639
who are just

1203
00:44:29,940 --> 00:44:30,339
outstanding.

1204
00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:32,900
It's an honor to in the first place,

1205
00:44:33,059 --> 00:44:36,179
but to get involved with something that it's

1206
00:44:36,179 --> 00:44:38,214
such a such a big cultural

1207
00:44:38,830 --> 00:44:41,063
reference point. You know, now we can look

1208
00:44:41,063 --> 00:44:42,659
at it and say, it's dated, and there's

1209
00:44:42,659 --> 00:44:44,652
plenty of people who are gonna argue the

1210
00:44:44,652 --> 00:44:46,806
es with you, which I'm not going to

1211
00:44:46,806 --> 00:44:47,777
do But,

1212
00:44:48,811 --> 00:44:49,049
they...

1213
00:44:50,322 --> 00:44:52,015
There was there there was something

1214
00:44:52,708 --> 00:44:54,004
that really touched

1215
00:44:54,473 --> 00:44:56,382
maybe on the Zeitgeist of that period.

1216
00:44:56,939 --> 00:44:57,337
And

1217
00:44:57,814 --> 00:44:59,326
you know what the Lord used it. He

1218
00:44:59,326 --> 00:45:00,916
didn't use me. He used the show.

1219
00:45:01,568 --> 00:45:01,966
And

1220
00:45:03,001 --> 00:45:04,854
you know, there's there's

1221
00:45:05,230 --> 00:45:06,901
what I've heard testimonies, and I think there

1222
00:45:06,901 --> 00:45:09,152
was a whole book of people who

1223
00:45:10,099 --> 00:45:12,005
you, came to Christ because of the books,

1224
00:45:12,721 --> 00:45:14,866
because of left behind. I don't know what

1225
00:45:14,866 --> 00:45:16,773
part the audio dramas played in that. I

1226
00:45:16,773 --> 00:45:19,327
don't know what part the the kids audio

1227
00:45:19,327 --> 00:45:20,277
dramas played into it.

1228
00:45:20,991 --> 00:45:23,684
But I know the Lord used it. And

1229
00:45:24,635 --> 00:45:24,873
you know,

1230
00:45:25,997 --> 00:45:26,948
that makes it worth it,

1231
00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:29,246
even though, you know, nobody had a cell

1232
00:45:29,246 --> 00:45:31,464
phone or anything like that. Well, and and

1233
00:45:31,464 --> 00:45:33,866
that's, again, that's the challenge of the era

1234
00:45:33,866 --> 00:45:35,383
that you were working and there there wasn't

1235
00:45:35,383 --> 00:45:37,298
like, oh, make sure to leave her view

1236
00:45:37,298 --> 00:45:40,411
on this podcast app or in this Youtube

1237
00:45:40,411 --> 00:45:40,730
video.

1238
00:45:41,303 --> 00:45:43,126
You didn't get that instant feedback and in

1239
00:45:43,126 --> 00:45:43,681
a way that's...

1240
00:45:44,474 --> 00:45:45,822
I don't know There there's something kind of

1241
00:45:45,822 --> 00:45:48,121
pure about that because you really are just

1242
00:45:48,121 --> 00:45:49,724
doing the work for the Lord. You're not

1243
00:45:49,724 --> 00:45:52,610
doing it for that instant gratification of

1244
00:45:52,985 --> 00:45:54,418
a review or a comment.

1245
00:45:55,293 --> 00:45:57,535
Yeah. You you're you're doing unto the Lord

1246
00:45:57,535 --> 00:46:00,501
knowing that you're you're planting seeds that will

1247
00:46:00,956 --> 00:46:02,411
will be watered and

1248
00:46:03,278 --> 00:46:05,903
spring to life aren't perhaps aren't in the

1249
00:46:05,903 --> 00:46:08,210
future. I mean, the fact that these Cds

1250
00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:09,244
are still floating around.

1251
00:46:10,612 --> 00:46:13,478
They're probably other... There probably places online. There

1252
00:46:13,478 --> 00:46:14,831
might be some radio broadcasts,

1253
00:46:15,468 --> 00:46:17,857
still still playing them. That's a really neat

1254
00:46:17,857 --> 00:46:22,157
thought. That the the impact continues even well

1255
00:46:22,157 --> 00:46:24,060
beyond. It's like you said, you've you've already

1256
00:46:24,060 --> 00:46:25,567
forgotten some of the things about it because

1257
00:46:25,567 --> 00:46:26,494
it's it's been

1258
00:46:26,852 --> 00:46:29,394
a few decades now since making it. But

1259
00:46:30,268 --> 00:46:31,800
you know, I... What I think

1260
00:46:32,572 --> 00:46:35,113
really was touching about the left pine series

1261
00:46:35,113 --> 00:46:35,987
as I said in the intro,

1262
00:46:36,877 --> 00:46:39,820
with how you would take these world changing

1263
00:46:39,820 --> 00:46:41,752
events of the tribulation, but then

1264
00:46:42,206 --> 00:46:43,025
how the books

1265
00:46:43,573 --> 00:46:45,793
and even the the the grown up audio

1266
00:46:45,793 --> 00:46:47,933
dramas, It brought it down into the everyday

1267
00:46:47,933 --> 00:46:48,171
life?

1268
00:46:48,963 --> 00:46:50,811
Like, what is this gonna mean for

1269
00:46:51,358 --> 00:46:53,264
my job is this or that. And then...

1270
00:46:53,661 --> 00:46:55,886
Yeah. For the kids series, I imagine that

1271
00:46:55,886 --> 00:46:57,316
that's what a lot... You know, a lot

1272
00:46:57,316 --> 00:46:59,484
of teams are probably hearing this as they're

1273
00:46:59,954 --> 00:47:01,734
parents are driving them to school

1274
00:47:02,034 --> 00:47:04,355
or picking them up afterwards or maybe listening

1275
00:47:04,355 --> 00:47:06,514
at night. And so they're thinking to themselves,

1276
00:47:06,675 --> 00:47:08,594
okay. The tribulation is not actually happening.

1277
00:47:09,328 --> 00:47:11,880
But, you know, there... There's some hostile attitudes.

1278
00:47:12,758 --> 00:47:15,151
There there's some persecution perhaps and, you know,

1279
00:47:15,390 --> 00:47:17,166
Jesus says that we'll suffer

1280
00:47:17,543 --> 00:47:20,347
persecution of all kinds. And we're not necessarily

1281
00:47:20,347 --> 00:47:21,961
in America facing the

1282
00:47:22,654 --> 00:47:24,803
type of persecution our our brothers in Christ

1283
00:47:24,803 --> 00:47:26,235
in the Middle East or at or in

1284
00:47:26,394 --> 00:47:28,088
China Right elsewhere are facing

1285
00:47:28,398 --> 00:47:30,458
or that we would face under an antichrist,

1286
00:47:30,696 --> 00:47:30,934
but,

1287
00:47:31,964 --> 00:47:34,896
it to to see how characters in these

1288
00:47:34,896 --> 00:47:35,396
stories

1289
00:47:36,261 --> 00:47:36,659
overcome that,

1290
00:47:37,374 --> 00:47:39,362
how they are bold for Christ, and they

1291
00:47:39,362 --> 00:47:40,555
take these big steps.

1292
00:47:41,271 --> 00:47:43,656
It gives us that encouragement in our own

1293
00:47:43,656 --> 00:47:45,269
lives and our own challenges

1294
00:47:46,380 --> 00:47:47,980
And so what I... I'm just curious Like,

1295
00:47:48,140 --> 00:47:49,980
what what was 1 of your favorite moments

1296
00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:51,039
of that of

1297
00:47:51,420 --> 00:47:52,860
of a character, you know,

1298
00:47:54,073 --> 00:47:56,705
living out in an everyday kind of situation,

1299
00:47:56,944 --> 00:47:59,417
but but in a with an internal mindset,

1300
00:47:59,576 --> 00:48:00,932
Can you can you think of something like

1301
00:48:00,932 --> 00:48:04,378
that that... Yeah. There we 1II

1302
00:48:04,378 --> 00:48:04,617
liked...

1303
00:48:05,415 --> 00:48:07,091
I liked 1 because it was it was

1304
00:48:07,091 --> 00:48:08,309
in the book, but

1305
00:48:09,087 --> 00:48:11,242
we did it a little bit different, and

1306
00:48:11,242 --> 00:48:12,335
we did a an

1307
00:48:12,934 --> 00:48:15,094
We took a different artistic approach to it.

1308
00:48:15,494 --> 00:48:17,094
And that was when the the kids are

1309
00:48:17,094 --> 00:48:18,054
in the high school,

1310
00:48:18,695 --> 00:48:19,195
and

1311
00:48:19,894 --> 00:48:21,255
they they are emboldened,

1312
00:48:21,987 --> 00:48:23,814
and they realize they have to do something.

1313
00:48:24,370 --> 00:48:24,847
And

1314
00:48:25,244 --> 00:48:27,492
what they do is they start an underground

1315
00:48:27,627 --> 00:48:30,423
newspaper that they sneak into the school. And

1316
00:48:30,423 --> 00:48:32,497
they sneak it into the school's newspaper, so

1317
00:48:32,497 --> 00:48:33,853
kids get it and they start reading it.

1318
00:48:34,331 --> 00:48:35,688
But we we wrote this...

1319
00:48:37,442 --> 00:48:39,516
I I started with it and Todd perfect

1320
00:48:39,516 --> 00:48:39,889
it

1321
00:48:40,485 --> 00:48:40,882
and

1322
00:48:41,358 --> 00:48:44,557
we really did it like an episode of

1323
00:48:44,771 --> 00:48:48,105
or now a movie version of of, mission

1324
00:48:48,105 --> 00:48:48,502
impossible.

1325
00:48:48,993 --> 00:48:51,401
Where somebody is explaining the mission

1326
00:48:51,934 --> 00:48:54,637
while you're hearing it in the background, which

1327
00:48:54,796 --> 00:48:56,307
I don't know if that had ever been

1328
00:48:56,307 --> 00:48:56,863
done before.

1329
00:48:58,548 --> 00:49:00,223
I I thought I was pretty clever

1330
00:49:01,420 --> 00:49:02,956
writing into a script that somebody

1331
00:49:03,572 --> 00:49:05,486
jumps off a cliff goes underwater and we

1332
00:49:05,486 --> 00:49:06,921
go underwater with them, and then they come

1333
00:49:06,921 --> 00:49:08,610
up and And then Todd said, yeah, We

1334
00:49:08,610 --> 00:49:10,681
did it 5 years ago. But I don't

1335
00:49:10,681 --> 00:49:12,056
know if anybody had

1336
00:49:12,432 --> 00:49:12,932
had

1337
00:49:13,945 --> 00:49:16,176
done a a scene quite like that.

1338
00:49:16,907 --> 00:49:19,134
I hadn't heard it, and I thought it'd

1339
00:49:19,134 --> 00:49:21,362
be fun, and Todd made it better than

1340
00:49:21,362 --> 00:49:23,669
than I could ever written it, and

1341
00:49:24,146 --> 00:49:25,203
it just became

1342
00:49:26,548 --> 00:49:28,084
1 of those moments where,

1343
00:49:28,778 --> 00:49:30,689
you know, this this is a defiant act,

1344
00:49:30,848 --> 00:49:32,998
but, you know, like you're saying, kinda go

1345
00:49:32,998 --> 00:49:33,476
along with that,

1346
00:49:34,208 --> 00:49:36,701
today, right now, yeah, We don't have the

1347
00:49:36,758 --> 00:49:37,954
antichrist learning over us.

1348
00:49:38,831 --> 00:49:39,729
We don't have

1349
00:49:40,505 --> 00:49:41,642
the global community,

1350
00:49:42,511 --> 00:49:44,683
you know, weighing us down. But

1351
00:49:45,457 --> 00:49:45,957
the

1352
00:49:46,333 --> 00:49:48,164
this world hates our kids.

1353
00:49:48,802 --> 00:49:50,018
They hate Christians

1354
00:49:50,409 --> 00:49:52,168
And they will do anything they can.

1355
00:49:52,807 --> 00:49:55,625
And, you know, if if you can encourage

1356
00:49:56,643 --> 00:49:58,641
hopefully more than 1. But if you can

1357
00:49:58,641 --> 00:50:01,369
encourage 1 person stand up and say, you

1358
00:50:01,369 --> 00:50:01,528
know,

1359
00:50:02,326 --> 00:50:02,485
alright.

1360
00:50:03,761 --> 00:50:05,276
You can say what you on, but I

1361
00:50:05,276 --> 00:50:07,508
got Jesus, and, you know, I'm better than

1362
00:50:07,508 --> 00:50:09,278
you in that way. You know, I'm better

1363
00:50:09,278 --> 00:50:10,317
off than you, I should say.

1364
00:50:11,755 --> 00:50:12,255
Just,

1365
00:50:12,634 --> 00:50:12,874
you know,

1366
00:50:14,871 --> 00:50:16,070
bold in someone's faith.

1367
00:50:16,643 --> 00:50:17,680
If we can do that,

1368
00:50:18,478 --> 00:50:20,870
we've succeeded. And that's, you know, that's what

1369
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:23,422
I wanted for left behind because, you know,

1370
00:50:23,502 --> 00:50:25,336
like I said, that this world hates at

1371
00:50:25,336 --> 00:50:25,735
the youth.

1372
00:50:26,467 --> 00:50:28,453
They hate kids. They're doing everything they can

1373
00:50:28,453 --> 00:50:30,996
to destroy. The schools now are doing everything

1374
00:50:30,996 --> 00:50:33,063
they can to destroy and emboldened by a

1375
00:50:33,063 --> 00:50:35,384
government who just doesn't care about anybody, not

1376
00:50:35,384 --> 00:50:36,900
trying to get on a political rant, but

1377
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:38,257
it's just kind of the way it is.

1378
00:50:38,656 --> 00:50:40,731
Let's teach our kids. Let's raise them to

1379
00:50:40,731 --> 00:50:43,147
be strong and to give them examples.

1380
00:50:43,858 --> 00:50:44,915
Even if they

1381
00:50:45,449 --> 00:50:47,517
don't think they can do something like that,

1382
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:50,244
you know, let's let's

1383
00:50:51,353 --> 00:50:52,868
get them to to think they can.

1384
00:50:53,666 --> 00:50:55,978
You know, and now, is it easier or

1385
00:50:55,978 --> 00:50:58,690
harder to come up with an underground newspaper?

1386
00:50:58,850 --> 00:51:00,445
Well, you know, you just create a web?

1387
00:51:00,939 --> 00:51:03,736
Yep. Right on right on and amen. I

1388
00:51:03,736 --> 00:51:06,134
would say though, Darby, that, well, first off,

1389
00:51:06,534 --> 00:51:07,572
Honorable will mention too.

1390
00:51:08,291 --> 00:51:09,490
Lot of folks don't know that there was

1391
00:51:09,490 --> 00:51:10,150
at least

1392
00:51:10,623 --> 00:51:13,335
1 left behind audio pre. Of the grown

1393
00:51:13,335 --> 00:51:14,692
up series called the rising.

1394
00:51:15,648 --> 00:51:17,824
Who actually told me about that, criminal

1395
00:51:18,201 --> 00:51:20,329
underrated by the way, and rather Sp tac

1396
00:51:20,369 --> 00:51:23,157
killer. III really appreciated the book because it

1397
00:51:23,157 --> 00:51:24,055
gives you the backstory

1398
00:51:24,670 --> 00:51:26,581
of Carp and a lot and kind of

1399
00:51:26,581 --> 00:51:28,891
some sp stuff about where he came from

1400
00:51:28,891 --> 00:51:31,849
and Know, his rather unorthodox origins and then,

1401
00:51:31,929 --> 00:51:34,315
you know, just exactly what sort of creepy

1402
00:51:34,315 --> 00:51:36,280
child that he would have been growing up

1403
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,199
as as the Antichrist, and then I think

1404
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:40,820
he, I got in deep with the world

1405
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,119
economic form. Excuse me, Jonathan Stone.

1406
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:44,320
Oh, yeah.

1407
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,208
Yeah. Really, really great stuff there. And and

1408
00:51:47,208 --> 00:51:49,920
and, I don't know, Frankly, a tragic ending

1409
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,233
there, not not not like the original left

1410
00:51:52,233 --> 00:51:53,429
fine books at all. So Jerry Jin is

1411
00:51:53,429 --> 00:51:54,626
did a terrific job of that. You did

1412
00:51:54,626 --> 00:51:56,553
a great job the audio adaptation. That's still

1413
00:51:56,553 --> 00:51:56,872
out there.

1414
00:51:57,588 --> 00:51:59,660
But how do you top then the return

1415
00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:02,049
of Christ? Well, I'm not saying it's topping

1416
00:52:02,049 --> 00:52:04,255
in necessarily, but you are now involved

1417
00:52:04,613 --> 00:52:06,446
with your own original creation,

1418
00:52:07,243 --> 00:52:09,155
mister Jake Mueller, and we talked about that,

1419
00:52:09,474 --> 00:52:12,079
with you way back in the previous episode

1420
00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:13,947
80, I think it was. What if Satan

1421
00:52:13,947 --> 00:52:15,321
is planning alien

1422
00:52:15,695 --> 00:52:18,079
conspiracies for the end time. So... Oh my

1423
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:20,782
goodness. That's something 40 episodes since then?

1424
00:52:21,912 --> 00:52:23,349
Think we have. Think we have With a

1425
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:24,705
little bit easier when we don't do a

1426
00:52:24,705 --> 00:52:27,658
full cast audio drama with, you know, Ph

1427
00:52:27,658 --> 00:52:28,158
fantastic

1428
00:52:28,536 --> 00:52:30,302
events in sky. So it... We can get

1429
00:52:30,302 --> 00:52:32,132
the 02:20 pretty quick when the left find

1430
00:52:32,132 --> 00:52:34,279
audio drama starts at 144 and the kids

1431
00:52:34,279 --> 00:52:35,472
drama stops at 72.

1432
00:52:36,282 --> 00:52:38,824
Since we've spoken Darby, what is new and

1433
00:52:38,824 --> 00:52:39,324
coming

1434
00:52:39,857 --> 00:52:41,151
with Jake and his paranormal

1435
00:52:41,605 --> 00:52:43,670
investigations because, yeah, say what you all by

1436
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:45,759
left behind series that were not enough

1437
00:52:46,308 --> 00:52:48,380
alien abduction. They're just words.

1438
00:52:49,177 --> 00:52:50,134
Not enough zombies,

1439
00:52:50,532 --> 00:52:52,525
no no no vampires and other things. Like,

1440
00:52:52,605 --> 00:52:55,086
what, what are sorts of creatures is Jake

1441
00:52:55,086 --> 00:52:56,674
going to be investigating and what can we

1442
00:52:56,674 --> 00:52:58,262
look forward to in his storyline?

1443
00:52:58,898 --> 00:53:00,882
Well, well, it's... You know, if you did

1444
00:53:00,882 --> 00:53:02,471
ask me that question a year ago, I

1445
00:53:02,471 --> 00:53:02,947
would have said,

1446
00:53:04,237 --> 00:53:06,393
there's nothing on the horizon. We're we're not...

1447
00:53:07,590 --> 00:53:09,506
We don't have anything planned. I had a

1448
00:53:09,506 --> 00:53:12,380
script written for the Jake Muller Ventures blood.

1449
00:53:13,192 --> 00:53:13,669
And

1450
00:53:14,703 --> 00:53:17,328
we had no no plans or money, which

1451
00:53:17,328 --> 00:53:18,703
is kind of a big deal

1452
00:53:19,317 --> 00:53:21,487
to get it produced. But

1453
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,360
at the time shortly after the time when

1454
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:26,940
I'd

1455
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:28,059
completely

1456
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:30,760
come to peace with the fact that,

1457
00:53:31,414 --> 00:53:33,246
the world of Jake Mueller was done.

1458
00:53:34,282 --> 00:53:36,353
I met a guy who wanted to invest

1459
00:53:36,353 --> 00:53:38,902
in it. Not only that, but he wanted

1460
00:53:38,902 --> 00:53:40,575
to be an amazing experience.

1461
00:53:41,227 --> 00:53:41,727
Everybody

1462
00:53:42,182 --> 00:53:43,455
involved and it was...

1463
00:53:44,092 --> 00:53:45,206
He's a a very,

1464
00:53:46,002 --> 00:53:47,912
very shy and quiet guy I lives in

1465
00:53:48,071 --> 00:53:49,663
Texas. And I I probably shouldn't even say

1466
00:53:49,663 --> 00:53:51,534
his name for has taken

1467
00:53:52,391 --> 00:53:54,090
Jake Mueller to his heart

1468
00:53:54,469 --> 00:53:56,866
and funded 2 more shows that are gonna

1469
00:53:56,866 --> 00:53:58,954
be coming out this year The first 1,

1470
00:53:59,273 --> 00:53:59,511
blood,

1471
00:54:00,227 --> 00:54:02,136
the 1 that I'd given up on is

1472
00:54:02,136 --> 00:54:04,682
coming out sometime this summer, and the third,

1473
00:54:05,572 --> 00:54:07,266
Jake Muller adventure called

1474
00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:10,665
undead is coming out sometime later this fall.

1475
00:54:11,063 --> 00:54:12,257
And blood is is,

1476
00:54:12,989 --> 00:54:13,807
touching on

1477
00:54:14,341 --> 00:54:16,808
zombie sub culture because I have to tell

1478
00:54:16,808 --> 00:54:19,195
you secret. There's no such thing as vampires.

1479
00:54:19,672 --> 00:54:21,662
No. But they already have a sub culture

1480
00:54:21,662 --> 00:54:23,432
then. They do. I think it's a sub

1481
00:54:23,432 --> 00:54:26,705
culture. Okay? Right. There's like, self identified zombie

1482
00:54:26,945 --> 00:54:28,781
Americans or are they gonna be the next

1483
00:54:28,781 --> 00:54:31,256
protracted the minority group. They get themselves executive

1484
00:54:31,256 --> 00:54:32,545
order or a slash full month.

1485
00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:34,846
What's what's going on? In that's up culture?

1486
00:54:35,004 --> 00:54:36,670
All of that. Every bit of it. Every

1487
00:54:36,670 --> 00:54:38,733
bit of it. That's undead that's... I'm sorry.

1488
00:54:38,891 --> 00:54:40,375
I think I said the backwards before. Till

1489
00:54:40,494 --> 00:54:41,844
The zombies are in undead,

1490
00:54:42,717 --> 00:54:43,670
vampires are in blood.

1491
00:54:44,782 --> 00:54:47,086
Without saying too much, blood at least is

1492
00:54:47,086 --> 00:54:49,547
a is a darker story than Unidentified was.

1493
00:54:50,277 --> 00:54:52,424
It goes there. I'm so anxious for people

1494
00:54:52,424 --> 00:54:54,252
to hear this, but I think some people

1495
00:54:54,252 --> 00:54:56,159
are gonna be scared off. And there was

1496
00:54:56,159 --> 00:54:58,862
a moment when we're in the studio recording,

1497
00:54:59,753 --> 00:55:01,210
a, a key scene

1498
00:55:01,985 --> 00:55:03,043
where my

1499
00:55:03,659 --> 00:55:04,775
c producer and,

1500
00:55:06,130 --> 00:55:06,927
great friend Micah,

1501
00:55:08,456 --> 00:55:10,762
leans over to me as the actors are

1502
00:55:10,762 --> 00:55:12,433
playing out the scene in the studio,

1503
00:55:12,910 --> 00:55:13,626
and he says,

1504
00:55:15,394 --> 00:55:18,111
this scene is gonna make the gray lady,

1505
00:55:18,431 --> 00:55:19,469
sound like kids corner.

1506
00:55:20,188 --> 00:55:20,688
And

1507
00:55:21,147 --> 00:55:23,645
the gray lady is the episode of,

1508
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:27,874
father Gilbert that Paul wrote brilliant show, by

1509
00:55:27,874 --> 00:55:28,833
the way, brilliant,

1510
00:55:29,472 --> 00:55:29,972
that

1511
00:55:30,510 --> 00:55:33,085
is, like, like the high watermark for scary

1512
00:55:33,164 --> 00:55:34,224
Christian material

1513
00:55:34,844 --> 00:55:37,964
in audio drama. And this is going to,

1514
00:55:38,125 --> 00:55:40,364
yeah, make that look pretty pretty tame in

1515
00:55:40,364 --> 00:55:40,844
comparison.

1516
00:55:41,339 --> 00:55:44,212
There's real demonic activity in this world. I

1517
00:55:44,212 --> 00:55:46,447
mean, obviously, we can't we can't portray the

1518
00:55:46,447 --> 00:55:48,522
way it really is because it's it's pretty

1519
00:55:48,522 --> 00:55:49,400
wicked and horrible.

1520
00:55:49,972 --> 00:55:52,115
But we took it further than anyone else

1521
00:55:52,115 --> 00:55:52,909
has. And

1522
00:55:53,703 --> 00:55:55,766
and there's... I mean, there's a lot of

1523
00:55:55,766 --> 00:55:56,878
twists and turns in it too,

1524
00:55:57,608 --> 00:55:59,521
whatever you're thinking is not what you're gonna

1525
00:55:59,521 --> 00:56:01,513
get. It's gonna be a little different. Let

1526
00:56:01,513 --> 00:56:03,346
let me ask you something here. Just about

1527
00:56:03,346 --> 00:56:04,780
this whole genre...

1528
00:56:05,590 --> 00:56:06,090
Of

1529
00:56:06,541 --> 00:56:08,310
audio stories that are

1530
00:56:08,682 --> 00:56:09,182
mysteries

1531
00:56:10,031 --> 00:56:10,927
or supernatural,

1532
00:56:11,300 --> 00:56:12,830
paranormal, even horror

1533
00:56:13,855 --> 00:56:15,844
Why do you think these are so prevalent?

1534
00:56:16,082 --> 00:56:17,991
Because whenever I whenever I just kinda of

1535
00:56:17,991 --> 00:56:19,844
browse through audio dramas and

1536
00:56:20,234 --> 00:56:21,533
you know, different platforms?

1537
00:56:21,992 --> 00:56:23,850
It it seems like this genre

1538
00:56:24,389 --> 00:56:27,186
pretty much dominates that space. What what does

1539
00:56:27,186 --> 00:56:29,119
it you think about these types of stories

1540
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:30,716
that are so interesting to people.

1541
00:56:31,276 --> 00:56:32,394
I I think that

1542
00:56:33,432 --> 00:56:34,551
I hate to say it. I think in

1543
00:56:34,551 --> 00:56:36,585
a lot of ways where des

1544
00:56:37,204 --> 00:56:39,045
to a lot of these things, and these

1545
00:56:39,045 --> 00:56:40,964
stories have become so popular.

1546
00:56:41,364 --> 00:56:41,605
You know,

1547
00:56:42,324 --> 00:56:44,380
when I was a kid, the the

1548
00:56:45,134 --> 00:56:47,677
worst movie that you go see was, say,

1549
00:56:47,836 --> 00:56:49,822
Friday the thirteenth or Halloween or something like

1550
00:56:49,822 --> 00:56:51,673
that. And I remember

1551
00:56:53,494 --> 00:56:53,812
in,

1552
00:56:55,164 --> 00:56:57,708
1 of the 5 thirteenth movies, which...

1553
00:56:58,503 --> 00:56:59,695
Yeah. Okay. I'll I saw it.

1554
00:57:00,669 --> 00:57:03,386
But somebody got... Call yourself a Christian. How

1555
00:57:03,386 --> 00:57:06,583
can do? I was his question. But Yeah.

1556
00:57:06,822 --> 00:57:08,601
I I would say I was nominally

1557
00:57:09,060 --> 00:57:11,310
christian at the time if that... A casino,

1558
00:57:11,549 --> 00:57:14,900
Christian name only. Okay? Yes. Yes. But there

1559
00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:16,496
was a character who got his head cut

1560
00:57:16,496 --> 00:57:18,829
off and I thought, oh, that's pretty wicked.

1561
00:57:19,230 --> 00:57:19,390
Okay.

1562
00:57:20,030 --> 00:57:22,829
Fast forward 20 years later, I'm watching an

1563
00:57:22,829 --> 00:57:23,309
episode of,

1564
00:57:24,030 --> 00:57:26,445
Hawaii 5 0. And someone's riding around on

1565
00:57:26,445 --> 00:57:28,204
a polo horse, and all of a sudden,

1566
00:57:28,284 --> 00:57:30,844
they ride by some piano wire and the

1567
00:57:30,844 --> 00:57:32,445
next shot is their head falling to the

1568
00:57:32,445 --> 00:57:34,447
ground. I was thinking, I looked at my

1569
00:57:34,447 --> 00:57:36,193
wife and I said, when did this get

1570
00:57:36,193 --> 00:57:37,938
the be okay on Network Tv.

1571
00:57:38,414 --> 00:57:39,445
You know, and even lost,

1572
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,641
there's a scene where. The character of Claire

1573
00:57:42,641 --> 00:57:43,757
who has gone crazy,

1574
00:57:44,874 --> 00:57:47,187
berries and acts in a guy's chest. I

1575
00:57:47,187 --> 00:57:49,819
was like, oh, okay. What... This used to

1576
00:57:49,819 --> 00:57:51,255
be rated our movie stuff.

1577
00:57:51,908 --> 00:57:53,444
So we are a little bit

1578
00:57:53,821 --> 00:57:54,959
to it, but

1579
00:57:55,814 --> 00:57:57,112
it's it's popular.

1580
00:57:57,648 --> 00:57:59,322
And you... As much as we talk about

1581
00:57:59,322 --> 00:58:01,407
left behind and hub bad the tribulation is

1582
00:58:01,407 --> 00:58:01,963
in those books.

1583
00:58:03,076 --> 00:58:04,824
It's gonna be so much worse. I mean,

1584
00:58:04,904 --> 00:58:05,722
you can't

1585
00:58:06,732 --> 00:58:09,139
really paint a clear picture of how bad

1586
00:58:09,355 --> 00:58:12,172
bad that tribulation period is going to be

1587
00:58:12,227 --> 00:58:13,815
if these things are happening.

1588
00:58:14,370 --> 00:58:14,767
And

1589
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,148
in the bible clearly says, a lot of

1590
00:58:17,148 --> 00:58:18,914
these things are gonna be happening. It talks

1591
00:58:18,914 --> 00:58:20,594
about how many people are going to die,

1592
00:58:21,155 --> 00:58:22,135
and that

1593
00:58:22,434 --> 00:58:23,414
number is

1594
00:58:23,875 --> 00:58:26,355
staggering huge. I mean, just think of the

1595
00:58:26,355 --> 00:58:27,394
smell just from that.

1596
00:58:27,970 --> 00:58:30,130
But there's... I mean, the if the spirit

1597
00:58:30,130 --> 00:58:31,010
of God is gone,

1598
00:58:32,050 --> 00:58:33,970
what is gonna stop people from living the

1599
00:58:33,970 --> 00:58:35,590
most wicked per verse

1600
00:58:36,141 --> 00:58:36,538
Violent,

1601
00:58:37,252 --> 00:58:40,505
sexual. Everything is is fair game. And yeah.

1602
00:58:41,140 --> 00:58:42,727
That is gonna yeah. Yeah. Am mo. Thank

1603
00:58:42,727 --> 00:58:44,966
you. And that is gonna be so much

1604
00:58:44,966 --> 00:58:47,666
worse than than what Jerry would dare written

1605
00:58:47,666 --> 00:58:48,938
into the books. Mh.

1606
00:58:49,811 --> 00:58:51,320
And certainly more than we could have put

1607
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:52,512
into the the audio dramas.

1608
00:58:53,164 --> 00:58:55,322
And it's gonna be it's gonna be pretty

1609
00:58:55,322 --> 00:58:57,000
bad. So... Yeah.

1610
00:58:57,639 --> 00:58:59,477
That's... Well, and I I think there's kind

1611
00:58:59,477 --> 00:59:00,995
of an answer there that I was I

1612
00:59:00,995 --> 00:59:03,723
was already... Thinking about, which is that what

1613
00:59:03,723 --> 00:59:04,681
we see visually,

1614
00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:06,914
it is like you said, it it... They

1615
00:59:06,914 --> 00:59:09,466
keep raising the bar for what they will

1616
00:59:09,466 --> 00:59:11,460
show or lowering the bar. I don't know.

1617
00:59:11,715 --> 00:59:14,434
It they keep increasing the gore, you know,

1618
00:59:14,594 --> 00:59:17,155
in the... Right. The violence and everything. I

1619
00:59:17,394 --> 00:59:19,715
I appreciate it our our second sponsor. She

1620
00:59:19,715 --> 00:59:19,875
said,

1621
00:59:20,608 --> 00:59:22,518
Hey. If you want a series that doesn't

1622
00:59:22,518 --> 00:59:24,268
have all that r rated stuff, you know,

1623
00:59:25,063 --> 00:59:25,859
Jamie Vol book.

1624
00:59:26,813 --> 00:59:28,802
And I and I think with with audio,

1625
00:59:29,453 --> 00:59:31,439
you're not seeing it and so you're imagining

1626
00:59:31,439 --> 00:59:34,561
it, and it didn't often take very much

1627
00:59:34,775 --> 00:59:36,443
to kinda make you a little scared or

1628
00:59:36,443 --> 00:59:37,476
to make you a little bit.

1629
00:59:38,128 --> 00:59:40,200
Grossed out or a little bit, you know,

1630
00:59:40,439 --> 00:59:42,271
thrilled. And so I I think there there's

1631
00:59:42,271 --> 00:59:43,785
something a little more accessible about it And

1632
00:59:43,785 --> 00:59:45,713
it... I guess it's also like, people telling

1633
00:59:45,713 --> 00:59:47,230
and ghost stories around the campfire fire like,

1634
00:59:47,309 --> 00:59:49,864
that goes back Millennia. But also, I think

1635
00:59:49,864 --> 00:59:51,540
that there's some kind of instinct that we

1636
00:59:51,540 --> 00:59:54,116
have of. I wanna hear the stories

1637
00:59:54,507 --> 00:59:56,571
about dangerous things so that I can be

1638
00:59:56,571 --> 00:59:58,341
prepared for them, and that's the whole reason

1639
00:59:58,952 --> 01:00:01,969
for times fiction is like, I wanna prepare

1640
01:00:01,969 --> 01:00:03,024
myself in my mind

1641
01:00:03,494 --> 01:00:05,568
to potentially face this in the future, but

1642
01:00:05,568 --> 01:00:08,122
even as we were saying earlier, I wanna

1643
01:00:08,122 --> 01:00:09,659
prepare myself to face

1644
01:00:10,037 --> 01:00:10,537
whatever

1645
01:00:11,730 --> 01:00:13,809
persecution I face in the here and now,

1646
01:00:14,610 --> 01:00:16,769
whatever form that takes what... It... Whether it's

1647
01:00:16,769 --> 01:00:17,510
an overt,

1648
01:00:18,130 --> 01:00:18,530
you know,

1649
01:00:19,183 --> 01:00:21,409
political empire that's supposed to Christ or whether

1650
01:00:21,409 --> 01:00:22,226
it's a very

1651
01:00:22,681 --> 01:00:23,181
sub

1652
01:00:23,555 --> 01:00:25,781
element in your school or your workplace or

1653
01:00:25,781 --> 01:00:26,417
your neighborhood,

1654
01:00:27,467 --> 01:00:28,822
that's more passive aggressive.

1655
01:00:29,460 --> 01:00:31,235
And and it's more under handed

1656
01:00:31,692 --> 01:00:34,722
rather than just, you know, overt, like,

1657
01:00:36,802 --> 01:00:38,730
persecution because I think sometimes it's that

1658
01:00:39,420 --> 01:00:41,561
it's that more subtle persecution that we have

1659
01:00:41,561 --> 01:00:44,201
more trouble with, yeah. When I was you

1660
01:00:44,201 --> 01:00:45,714
know, I discovered the series when I was

1661
01:00:45,714 --> 01:00:48,125
a missionary in a very closed country

1662
01:00:48,660 --> 01:00:50,864
where there was official persecution, but.

1663
01:00:51,699 --> 01:00:54,083
My wife was in a country where she

1664
01:00:54,083 --> 01:00:55,514
was there officially as a missionary,

1665
01:00:56,468 --> 01:00:58,853
but there was so much more persecution at

1666
01:00:58,853 --> 01:00:59,806
the family level.

1667
01:01:00,617 --> 01:01:02,446
You know, parents dis zoning children,

1668
01:01:04,196 --> 01:01:05,548
and being kicked out other their homes and

1669
01:01:05,548 --> 01:01:06,662
basically being homeless,

1670
01:01:07,314 --> 01:01:07,814
and

1671
01:01:08,672 --> 01:01:11,010
really just life altering

1672
01:01:12,348 --> 01:01:13,168
situations. In

1673
01:01:13,627 --> 01:01:16,439
in many ways, that was more effective it's

1674
01:01:16,439 --> 01:01:18,357
slowing down the progress of the church, than

1675
01:01:18,357 --> 01:01:19,556
in the country where I was.

1676
01:01:20,835 --> 01:01:22,833
But I I think it's, you know, I

1677
01:01:22,833 --> 01:01:24,671
think of the students that she disciple were

1678
01:01:24,671 --> 01:01:25,470
the ones I disciple,

1679
01:01:26,043 --> 01:01:28,776
You know, these kinds of stories of overcoming

1680
01:01:29,393 --> 01:01:30,690
those those obstacles

1681
01:01:31,786 --> 01:01:34,736
staying true to one's faith in taking bold

1682
01:01:34,736 --> 01:01:34,896
action,

1683
01:01:35,706 --> 01:01:37,533
I think we need that. And and audio

1684
01:01:37,533 --> 01:01:39,224
is a really easy way

1685
01:01:39,836 --> 01:01:42,378
to get into these stories because, hey, you

1686
01:01:42,378 --> 01:01:44,443
can listen to them privately. You now with

1687
01:01:44,443 --> 01:01:46,703
that 1 Yeah. But. Now we have ear

1688
01:01:46,758 --> 01:01:48,210
earbuds and everything, and

1689
01:01:49,058 --> 01:01:50,882
you can listen to these, you know, and

1690
01:01:50,882 --> 01:01:53,435
and your free time in class. Yeah while

1691
01:01:53,435 --> 01:01:55,897
everyone else is looking at or playing whatever

1692
01:01:55,897 --> 01:01:57,882
on their phones in in school. Right.

1693
01:01:58,597 --> 01:02:00,582
Yeah. And III would do wanna...

1694
01:02:01,635 --> 01:02:03,875
Say right away, even though I I mentioned

1695
01:02:03,875 --> 01:02:05,635
that blood is a very dark story.

1696
01:02:06,275 --> 01:02:07,414
It has more

1697
01:02:08,195 --> 01:02:09,335
scripture and more Christian

1698
01:02:09,889 --> 01:02:12,990
overt Christian content than anything I've ever written.

1699
01:02:13,706 --> 01:02:16,704
And I'm actually very proud of that because

1700
01:02:17,224 --> 01:02:18,902
there's no point in showing the dark if

1701
01:02:18,902 --> 01:02:21,059
you're not showing a light in shining in

1702
01:02:21,059 --> 01:02:21,699
that darkness.

1703
01:02:22,657 --> 01:02:25,075
It's also cautionary too because

1704
01:02:25,469 --> 01:02:27,541
you know, I don't want somebody to listen

1705
01:02:27,541 --> 01:02:29,774
to this show and think, oh, well, Jake

1706
01:02:29,933 --> 01:02:32,166
Mueller did this, and we can cast out

1707
01:02:32,166 --> 01:02:34,888
demons ourselves because you know what we are

1708
01:02:34,888 --> 01:02:35,920
facing a wicked,

1709
01:02:36,952 --> 01:02:38,564
powerful enemy, but

1710
01:02:39,097 --> 01:02:41,002
greater is he that's in us, than he

1711
01:02:41,002 --> 01:02:42,352
that's in the world, and that's the whole

1712
01:02:42,352 --> 01:02:43,959
point of the show. You So...

1713
01:02:44,838 --> 01:02:45,797
But at the same time,

1714
01:02:46,676 --> 01:02:49,393
I don't want to empower somebody or enable

1715
01:02:49,393 --> 01:02:51,951
somebody to think, oh, yes. I know this

1716
01:02:51,951 --> 01:02:53,479
guy who's demon possessed I'm gonna go take

1717
01:02:53,479 --> 01:02:54,750
care of. You know? I mean, it's just

1718
01:02:54,750 --> 01:02:56,655
kind of a silly notion, and I'm saying

1719
01:02:56,655 --> 01:02:58,798
it flip, but I don't mean it flip.

1720
01:02:58,957 --> 01:03:00,798
I hope I hope you understand that. Oh,

1721
01:03:01,036 --> 01:03:03,018
that's a great caution, Darby and. I think

1722
01:03:03,018 --> 01:03:05,792
if we'd see a literal 7 year tribulation

1723
01:03:05,792 --> 01:03:07,853
event, anytime approaching our lifetimes.

1724
01:03:08,505 --> 01:03:10,824
I'm guessing that it's gonna look something like,

1725
01:03:11,625 --> 01:03:14,025
both the enemies that Jake Mueller is facing

1726
01:03:14,025 --> 01:03:15,944
and also the version portrayed by the left

1727
01:03:15,944 --> 01:03:18,356
behind series because I just realized earlier, I

1728
01:03:18,356 --> 01:03:19,712
was kind of joking that you know, there

1729
01:03:19,712 --> 01:03:22,264
weren't enough aliens and vampires in the tribulation.

1730
01:03:22,743 --> 01:03:24,019
And yet, I don't know if you ever

1731
01:03:24,019 --> 01:03:25,454
saw there was a... Well, there was about

1732
01:03:25,454 --> 01:03:27,862
11 1 chick track. About

1733
01:03:28,420 --> 01:03:30,893
the the left behind style timeline before the

1734
01:03:30,893 --> 01:03:33,047
left behind interiors was a thing. Remember he

1735
01:03:33,047 --> 01:03:34,722
wrote a track called the beast and it

1736
01:03:34,722 --> 01:03:37,056
showed these vivid illustrations of this rather

1737
01:03:37,610 --> 01:03:38,829
hateful looking

1738
01:03:39,210 --> 01:03:41,769
antichrist. You definitely had more of an opposition

1739
01:03:41,769 --> 01:03:42,969
of the Catholic church there,

1740
01:03:43,690 --> 01:03:45,369
so did the late jack chic,

1741
01:03:46,105 --> 01:03:48,184
but 1 of the illustrations is most vivid

1742
01:03:48,184 --> 01:03:49,224
is where he claims,

1743
01:03:50,025 --> 01:03:51,945
that in the worst part of the tribulation,

1744
01:03:52,105 --> 01:03:54,905
like, overt Satan is gonna run rampant across

1745
01:03:54,905 --> 01:03:56,997
the earth and he was so good at

1746
01:03:56,997 --> 01:04:00,593
drawing. These halloween creatures like this gh woman

1747
01:04:00,593 --> 01:04:01,632
and then, you know, this

1748
01:04:02,351 --> 01:04:04,280
this person caused for playing as a goat

1749
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:05,098
with a pent

1750
01:04:05,632 --> 01:04:08,177
between its horns and all these terrible creatures

1751
01:04:08,177 --> 01:04:10,460
in the background with knives and such playing

1752
01:04:10,817 --> 01:04:12,964
And I remember thinking when I saw that

1753
01:04:12,964 --> 01:04:15,509
to the illustration link. Oh, that's a little

1754
01:04:15,509 --> 01:04:18,054
far fetched there Jack chick. You know, you

1755
01:04:18,054 --> 01:04:19,962
kind of crazy funding, you know?

1756
01:04:21,015 --> 01:04:22,614
Now I'm looking at some of the stuff

1757
01:04:22,614 --> 01:04:24,635
that's happening and people mu

1758
01:04:24,934 --> 01:04:27,655
themselves and dressing up, like goats and all

1759
01:04:27,655 --> 01:04:29,175
the rest of it and I'm thinking, you

1760
01:04:29,175 --> 01:04:29,335
know.

1761
01:04:30,226 --> 01:04:31,440
Maybe old jack

1762
01:04:31,973 --> 01:04:34,275
was on to something. I think there may

1763
01:04:34,275 --> 01:04:36,260
be a little bit more of this evil

1764
01:04:36,260 --> 01:04:36,760
supernatural

1765
01:04:37,134 --> 01:04:38,722
influence in the ultimate end times.

1766
01:04:39,294 --> 01:04:40,731
Then even there was in the left behind

1767
01:04:40,731 --> 01:04:42,088
series. So either way,

1768
01:04:42,726 --> 01:04:45,041
get prayed up, you may not do exactly

1769
01:04:45,041 --> 01:04:46,957
what the left behind a young Trip force

1770
01:04:46,957 --> 01:04:48,646
does. You may not doing... Exactly what Jake

1771
01:04:48,806 --> 01:04:51,194
Mueller does, but I love that caution there,

1772
01:04:51,353 --> 01:04:52,706
Darby. I love that wisdom.

1773
01:04:53,343 --> 01:04:55,891
And I love, of course, the emphasis on

1774
01:04:55,891 --> 01:04:58,324
christ. He has defeated these foes

1775
01:04:58,704 --> 01:05:00,625
as the best part to left behind series,

1776
01:05:00,785 --> 01:05:02,785
all the series would point out. It's just

1777
01:05:02,785 --> 01:05:05,358
a matter of playing things out and hanging

1778
01:05:05,358 --> 01:05:07,036
on and being faithful to the end.

1779
01:05:07,755 --> 01:05:09,912
God is faithful, whether or not we gotta

1780
01:05:09,912 --> 01:05:11,670
face the final beast boss,

1781
01:05:12,244 --> 01:05:15,057
or maybe even some vampire zombie sub

1782
01:05:15,594 --> 01:05:17,928
until the end, we can rely on him

1783
01:05:18,306 --> 01:05:21,438
for his strength for these battles. Cultural and

1784
01:05:21,496 --> 01:05:24,224
spiritual, So Jake Mueller bled the 1 with

1785
01:05:24,224 --> 01:05:27,575
the vampires and then Jake Mueller undead coming

1786
01:05:27,575 --> 01:05:29,410
out sometime this summer.

1787
01:05:30,301 --> 01:05:32,289
To follow in the footsteps of the first

1788
01:05:32,607 --> 01:05:33,107
drama

1789
01:05:33,481 --> 01:05:35,413
already released, Jake Mueller

1790
01:05:35,946 --> 01:05:38,985
unidentified, Darby, where can folks, follow your work

1791
01:05:38,985 --> 01:05:41,296
and follow the adventures and get updates for

1792
01:05:41,296 --> 01:05:43,686
those next 2 Jake Muller seasons.

1793
01:05:44,323 --> 01:05:47,032
You can go to jake Mueller adventures dot

1794
01:05:47,032 --> 01:05:47,532
com

1795
01:05:48,083 --> 01:05:48,560
and

1796
01:05:49,117 --> 01:05:51,186
sign up for our mailing list there and

1797
01:05:51,186 --> 01:05:53,494
that that will get you updated. We update

1798
01:05:53,494 --> 01:05:54,847
things there often,

1799
01:05:55,418 --> 01:05:57,725
But really, our Facebook page is where we've

1800
01:05:57,725 --> 01:05:59,793
put a lot of, like, new info, when

1801
01:05:59,793 --> 01:06:01,782
we recorded these 2 shows.

1802
01:06:02,672 --> 01:06:05,213
Earlier this spring at Gap Digital in Wheat

1803
01:06:05,531 --> 01:06:07,755
Illinois? Yes. Just had Todd on before you.

1804
01:06:07,914 --> 01:06:11,027
That's that's awesome. Yeah. I love Todd. You

1805
01:06:11,027 --> 01:06:12,854
know, we put our pictures and everything on

1806
01:06:12,854 --> 01:06:14,148
on Facebook. So

1807
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,777
there's a presence there. You can bind the

1808
01:06:17,936 --> 01:06:19,071
Jake Muller adventures

1809
01:06:19,524 --> 01:06:20,754
unidentified on... Spotify.

1810
01:06:21,766 --> 01:06:25,030
At the moment, it is currently not una

1811
01:06:25,030 --> 01:06:27,816
audible, but it will be back very soon.

1812
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:30,883
We got a a new distributor who

1813
01:06:31,659 --> 01:06:32,935
has it on audible,

1814
01:06:33,414 --> 01:06:35,647
and it's gonna be on, I think 48

1815
01:06:35,647 --> 01:06:36,626
different platforms,

1816
01:06:37,083 --> 01:06:39,247
not all of which I know right now.

1817
01:06:39,645 --> 01:06:42,053
But it's it's gonna be out there

1818
01:06:42,428 --> 01:06:42,905
that way,

1819
01:06:44,336 --> 01:06:45,711
you can purchase Cds.

1820
01:06:46,817 --> 01:06:48,332
At the... At our websites,

1821
01:06:49,049 --> 01:06:49,527
and

1822
01:06:50,325 --> 01:06:52,557
I I mail them out myself. So who

1823
01:06:52,557 --> 01:06:53,992
knows, Mary, I'll send you a little note

1824
01:06:53,992 --> 01:06:56,793
besides But derby that's fantastic. I love the

1825
01:06:56,873 --> 01:06:59,420
Cds. I'm a little retro that way. As

1826
01:06:59,420 --> 01:07:00,932
you see, I have all of the left

1827
01:07:00,932 --> 01:07:01,251
kids

1828
01:07:01,808 --> 01:07:04,209
episodes here. But when I'm out about, sometimes,

1829
01:07:04,448 --> 01:07:07,493
I just need everything over a purely digital

1830
01:07:07,549 --> 01:07:09,776
streaming service. So that's awesome to know that

1831
01:07:09,776 --> 01:07:11,942
it's on spotify. We will include all those

1832
01:07:11,942 --> 01:07:13,619
links in the show notes and look forward

1833
01:07:13,619 --> 01:07:14,438
to more

1834
01:07:14,816 --> 01:07:16,333
info. But, Darby thank you so much for

1835
01:07:16,333 --> 01:07:18,967
stopping by. Thank you for the retrospective and

1836
01:07:18,967 --> 01:07:21,056
the update about the future. And As you

1837
01:07:21,056 --> 01:07:23,045
head back out on the turtle, watch out

1838
01:07:23,045 --> 01:07:26,148
for both vampires and zombies and Aliens and

1839
01:07:26,148 --> 01:07:27,342
global community peace.

1840
01:07:28,074 --> 01:07:29,592
I will I will do my best. You

1841
01:07:29,592 --> 01:07:31,190
keep doing what you're doing here because we

1842
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:31,430
need

1843
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:33,588
we need people like, you... You know, I

1844
01:07:33,588 --> 01:07:35,106
check you out to see what books I

1845
01:07:35,106 --> 01:07:37,427
should be reading. And most of them are,

1846
01:07:37,585 --> 01:07:40,043
like, too intelligent for me, but

1847
01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:43,295
I I enjoy seeing what smarter people are

1848
01:07:43,295 --> 01:07:43,533
reading.

1849
01:07:44,104 --> 01:07:45,460
And then buying, putting it on my shelf.

1850
01:07:45,699 --> 01:07:47,295
But thank you very much. I appreciate the

1851
01:07:47,295 --> 01:07:48,650
opportunity to come. It's always fun a chat

1852
01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:50,485
with you guys too. Thanks, Darby.

1853
01:07:51,601 --> 01:07:51,681
Anytime.

1854
01:07:55,355 --> 01:07:57,098
Well, I love that discussion with Darby today,

1855
01:07:57,257 --> 01:07:59,634
Steven. I really liked hearing that sub plot

1856
01:07:59,634 --> 01:08:02,271
of the student newspaper. I was never involved

1857
01:08:02,271 --> 01:08:04,905
in the newspaper at my high school or

1858
01:08:04,905 --> 01:08:07,059
college, but I probably read it every day.

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Now part of this was because

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in high school, there was a coupon for

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the local thunder cloud subs buy 1 get

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1 free, which I would swipe every day

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and go get

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buy a small and get another small free.

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And they finally changed it because me and

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others were doing this so much, all all

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our swim team people we we ate probably

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20000 calories a day or something. So they

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finally said, okay, By 1 large and get

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1

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small for free, but I digress. I I

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was very much into the student newspaper And

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I I would... Especially in college, I would

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read the letters to the editor section.

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And whatever happened to those things. We need

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to bring those back... Back, it shouldn't all

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just be a website. It should be something

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you can hold in your hands. But for

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you our listener, we would love to know.

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How are you preparing back for a wicked

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world, whether it's the tribulation, which you think

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is coming soon or

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whatever

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persecution or other

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tribulation,

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you are facing in your daily life. And

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especially if you are a younger listener, you

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know, you are in high school or college

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right now. How are you preparing

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For those moments when your faith is being

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challenged when you... Like as Darby said you

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feel that hatred from the world system.

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That just stands directly in opposition to Crisis,

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you know, increasingly more and more overt and

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even more demonic

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overt. So We wanna know how you are

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facing those,

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Dangers send us a note to podcast at

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laura haven dot com, or you can find

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us on Facebook

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in Twitter and leave us a comment there.

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Next, I'm fantastical truth.

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20 years ago. 2 authors, 1 publisher,

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12 action thriller novels and 40 18 spin

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off books plus the 2 audio dramas

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01:09:50,946 --> 01:09:53,434
came to a grand finale with the fictional

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return of Jesus Christ to Earth.

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1 of those top authors, marriage and prophecy

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teacher at Tim La hay has since passed

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on to his eternal rest, but the other

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author who's written hundreds of novels, Jerry Jenkins,

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is still working. And next week, we're gonna

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give him a break, Jerry Jenkins himself joins

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our studio to explore the left behind legacy.

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Or whether it's a student newspaper or audio

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dramas, I think there is no limit to

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the creative expressions that we can do to

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fight evil in our world.

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Not just to resist

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dictators and monsters, but to glorify Jesus Christ

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through all we do. And as we draw

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to a close, for now, for the left

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behind legacy series, I'm just feeling very grateful

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to the storyteller who got a chance to

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do this

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and are still working now. It's something that's

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really blessed to me, whether or not you

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believe with that times belief, I think we

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can rejoice in that 6 tests as we

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go on seeking and finding Christ's fantastic tree.